< 1248307246 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AAAA_battery < 1248307268 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :look like bullets < 1248307340 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1248307344 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently the best way to get them is by fekking up your favorite 9-volt :P < 1248307390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why isn't there a battery that's superthin but very tall and wide? < 1248307395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like smartphone size < 1248307403 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's get some gooooood battery life < 1248307406 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that'd < 1248307725 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: might be quite hard to make, modern battery manufacture is inherently 3-dimensional < 1248307730 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: darn < 1248307732 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that sucks < 1248307743 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't think it would be impossible, but it would be very fiddly < 1248307762 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :intuitively it'd seem like it'd pack a LOT of battery life < 1248307774 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1248307777 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it'd be heavy, wouldn't it? < 1248307795 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :relatively, most of it will be solid metal and the bits that aren't would be gel stuff < 1248307800 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas things like phones are mostly air < 1248307847 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: are you sure about that? < 1248307851 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure my iphone is mostly air < 1248307868 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: the motherboard generally doesn't fit exactly 3-dimensionally into a case < 1248307873 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an LCD, a board with multiple chips and volatile and non-volatile memory, speakers, ports, ... < 1248307876 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the inside of chips is also mostly air < 1248307877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i think the iphone's is close < 1248307882 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1248307886 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: heatspreaders aren't air, are they? < 1248307893 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're half air, half metal < 1248307895 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, ok, an actual chip is gonna be mostly ... nothing < 1248307900 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to get as much surface area as possible < 1248307904 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1248307910 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but it's an ARM chip < 1248307913 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't get very hot < 1248307924 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it won't need a very big heatsink < 1248307928 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it has none < 1248307932 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a heatspreader < 1248307938 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like Intel Atom < 1248307941 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does, it'll be the wires connecting it to the motherboard < 1248307947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1248307950 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're a sort of rudimentary heatsink, that every chip has < 1248307959 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes it's enough by itself, for low powered things < 1248307964 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :occasionally the top of my iphone is sort of between warm and hot < 1248307971 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, if i hold it there, i definitely notice it constantly < 1248307973 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's fine to touch < 1248307975 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've actually seen chips where they added extra pins simply for the purpose of absorbing heat < 1248307978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and handle, etc < 1248307983 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1248307984 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, radiating it < 1248307990 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's mostly the metal, I imagine < 1248307992 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and plastic < 1248307993 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and stuff < 1248308052 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still going to be lighter than a battery, as the outside is going to be mostly plastic whereas batteries are mostly metal < 1248308073 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://makezine.com/hackszine/iphone_20070629.jpg http://www.itechnews.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/iPhone-Disassembled-3.jpg http://www.iphonebuzz.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/iphone-_3g_dismantle_2.jpg < 1248308077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the iphone hardware fits _exactly_ < 1248308083 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that really doesn't surprise me at all < 1248308092 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note that the last one is the 3G and the previous two are the original, but) < 1248308100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a really tight fit < 1248308101 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although unless all the chips on the board are exactly the same height, there'll still be air gaps vertically even with an exact fit < 1248308104 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't even fit a pin in there < 1248308318 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you know what's awesome? < 1248308326 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the palm pre has wireless charging. < 1248308335 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It's referred to as "The Puck," and you just click the back of the Pre onto its flat surface and the juice starts to flow." < 1248308339 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs more... wirelessosity, though. < 1248308347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, say... across the room? :D < 1248308362 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at this point, ais523 tells me why that's totally impossible) < 1248308389 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: not impossible, although it will be hilariously inefficient unless the charge coil goes all the way around the room, say built into the walls < 1248308404 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, is that safe? < 1248308407 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, instead of microwaves < 1248308407 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1248308408 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@77-100-194-169.cable.ubr04.pres.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1248308411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gigantic microwaves. < 1248308424 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :megawaves? < 1248308427 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: who knows? it's used at low power in order to send information to hearing aids < 1248308427 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1248308444 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if it's been researched what happens if you put enough power in there to charge a smartphone < 1248308468 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it is safe, let's put it in every building! < 1248308469 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :next time you see a sign saying "if you have a behind-the-ear hearing aid set it to T", you know there's an induction loop in the room < 1248308470 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate wires. < 1248308473 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know a great wireless power solution. < 1248308478 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tesla coils. < 1248308482 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i thought that was radio-powered or something < 1248308483 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1248308489 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: nope, it's induction < 1248308489 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: nice way to kill yourself walking across the room :D < 1248308491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be like the movies < 1248308495 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the crisscross of laser wires < 1248308498 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except they kill you < 1248308509 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you can't draw a whole lot of current from a tesla coil, quite likely you'd survive it < 1248308509 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: You realise that's what Tesla coils are for, right? < 1248308513 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wireless power? < 1248308534 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i was referring to the < 1248308542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what's it called < 1248308544 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1248308546 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the spark thing < 1248308548 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in between them < 1248308551 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow i get dumb sometimes < 1248308555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know stuff on paper < 1248308566 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: as I said, you can't draw significant current from one of those < 1248308569 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... That would be a different bit of high-voltage stuff. < 1248308571 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the massive voltage sort-of cancels it out < 1248308577 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what, it's safe to touch? < 1248308582 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find that hard to believe < 1248308585 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Some are. < 1248308586 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I've seen someone holding a flourescent light < 1248308589 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and walking into a tesla coil < 1248308591 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the light lit up < 1248308595 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1248308595 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1248308600 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :must have felt tingly < 1248308606 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very large coils are dangerous. < 1248308614 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, you can make Tesla coils powerful enough to hurt a human < 1248308619 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but most of the time you wouldn't < 1248308619 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are generally not seen without metal cages around them. < 1248308633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw a video on youtube a year or two ago where a guy played the mario theme on a tesla coil < 1248308656 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1O2jcfOylU dunno if this was it, but < 1248308663 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds great < 1248308675 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and comes with built in visualiser! < 1248308681 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tesla intended to make coils large enough to be dangerous nearby, though. < 1248308689 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namely, he intended to use coils as a replacement for *the power grid*. < 1248308689 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but tesla was a weirdo :D < 1248308712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: oh that thing where he wanted it to reverberate all the way through the earth to the other side for power? < 1248308714 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i remember that < 1248308725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tesla, while a genius, was also a huge kook :-) < 1248308735 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: For the return feed, you mean? < 1248308746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1248308747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just remember it < 1248308762 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he wanted to give power to the entire world by shoving electricity through the earth < 1248308766 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, guess what. That's commonly done. Many rural areas have single-wire power transmission. < 1248308774 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The negative end goes through the earth. < 1248308774 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: to the other side of the world, man < 1248308778 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wireless < 1248308779 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you wouldn't have a power grid or anything < 1248308782 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be picked up from the ground < 1248308790 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the other. side. of. the. earth. < 1248308798 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the air. < 1248308801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1248308807 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just earth for the power < 1248308808 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC < 1248308813 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was the kooky part < 1248308814 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1248308817 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1248308825 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :His idea of the transmission distances where implausible, but it would work with regional coils. < 1248308869 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, I sort-of get the idea; if you could set up an oscillation in earth potential, then you could average it out with a capacitor or something < 1248308878 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and get an AC potential between the averaged value and the actual value < 1248308880 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and power stuff with it < 1248308893 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow would that take a lot of energy to set up, though < 1248308899 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An Idea That Doesn't Actually Work But Would Be Awesome: Put two tesla coils at opposite ends of the earth. Make them buzz together. < 1248308902 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Earth's core fuck yeah < 1248308910 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hey, we have infinite energy amirite? < 1248308916 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: unfortunately not < 1248308918 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops it's the 21st century never mind < 1248308962 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A far more practical method of power transmission involves radio waves. < 1248308976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want a dyson sphere < 1248308984 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only limiting factor is that high power is fucking dangerous. < 1248308992 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: well that's the thing < 1248308996 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we COULD just use really fucking powerful microwavse < 1248308998 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: microwaves work too < 1248308998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :microwaves < 1248309003 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, the electronics might survive it :) < 1248309004 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: snap < 1248309012 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you /can/ get power from radio waves, though < 1248309015 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Microwaves are high-frequency radio waves. < 1248309020 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC there's a watch or something which is powered by radio waves in the area < 1248309027 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no, they're both forms of TEM < 1248309038 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but people don't normally use radio to mean microwave, just like they don't use radio to mean optical frequency light < 1248309039 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Shaddup. < 1248309063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, we should figure out how to do audio radio programs with visible light < 1248309075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be like adverts showing off mobile internt < 1248309076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :internet < 1248309079 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the streams of light hitting your phoen < 1248309080 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :phone < 1248309090 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Note that microwaves are the frequencies between 0.3 GHz and 300 GHz. < 1248309095 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that we deal with 2.4 GHz radios. < 1248309101 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1248309108 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: that's due to researchers arguing about where the cutoff should be < 1248309120 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: visible light disperses too easily < 1248309130 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, that might be a viable option underwater, because radio doesn't work there < 1248309135 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1248309138 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pity that sonar's better there, visible would be so much cooler < 1248309147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"we could do radio underwater except we can't do radio udnerwater" < 1248309157 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I meant, visible light communication < 1248309163 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just gets absorbed too easily, though < 1248309164 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah :P < 1248309259 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, microwaves are /even worse/ underwater, at various frequences < 1248309266 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just heat it up and only go a few centimeters < 1248309284 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vote we use gamma rays. < 1248309290 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vote we use SPIT. < 1248309297 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Oh, I'm volunteering with the BBC" < 1248309298 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about neutrinos? < 1248309299 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Spitting radio" < 1248309302 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm a relay" < 1248309314 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can just set up huge stations with tons of people spitting different kinds of spit < 1248309314 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard it argued that people should communicate using neutrinos, after all they go through just about everything < 1248309320 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is, they're basically impossible to detect < 1248309322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and people in the next collecting them in buckets and respitting < 1248309335 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your radio comes with a big bucket attached to collect the spit and process it < 1248309337 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to going through just about everything < 1248309337 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How's about tachyons? < 1248309346 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;p < 1248309347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: <3 < 1248309349 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be awesome < 1248309359 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"3 hours ago, we will be playing the new hit single, ..." < 1248309366 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1248309380 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :International Tachyon Causality-Avoidance Network. Intertacanet. < 1248309406 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Causality Attention Crusaders, Associated. < 1248309408 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CACA. < 1248309413 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't want none. < 1248309424 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(IT MEANS POO LOL) < 1248309524 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kitty? where? < 1248309531 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1248309547 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR! < 1248309547 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gizmodo.com/5320587/samsung-worlds-thinnest-watchphone-also-happens-to-be-one-of-the-worlds-only-watchphones < 1248309549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get it. < 1248309552 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a touchscreen. < 1248309654 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... so does mine. < 1248309663 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not the thinnest, though. < 1248309672 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll bet it's ludicrously fucking expensive. < 1248309702 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first wave of releases will be scattered throughout Europe, starting in France, where the S9110 will retail for around $650. < 1248309709 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION starts wondering why more languages don't allow whitespace in identifiers, then ducks
< 1248309709 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like I said. < 1248309710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ehh. The top iPhone 3G S costs more. < 1248309710 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. But owning it is justification for practicing a Bond impersonation. < 1248309715 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. < 1248309720 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Genera does, IIRC. < 1248309724 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since its commands had spaces in. < 1248309724 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I - have - a - watch - phone. < 1248309725 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Tcl does. < 1248309726 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does ALGOL-68 < 1248309729 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if the underlying Lisp did. < 1248309740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe so; (defun |I Like Big Butts And I Cannot Lie| (foo) ...) < 1248309741 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: That's awesome. < 1248309743 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not saying there aren't any < 1248309754 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just saying I'm wondering why more don't < 1248309759 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#;1> (define (|Hello, world!| x) x) < 1248309759 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#;2> (|Hello, world!| 2) < 1248309760 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: So, practising a Bond impersonation? < 1248309761 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1248309763 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chicken scheme < 1248309775 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: anyway, because whitespace usually separates shit < 1248309776 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: it's still fun to enumerate the ones that do < 1248309792 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, sorear thinks INTERCAL allows whitespace anywhere, including inside keywords < 1248309795 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's just ignored < 1248309806 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I believe that's the case < 1248309810 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :proc {This is an absurdly long proc with a bunch of spaces} {args} {put $args} ;# Perfectly valid. < 1248309820 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yes but tcl sucks :P < 1248309828 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: quoted identifiers don't count < 1248309836 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: that's all yer gonna get < 1248309850 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if anyone's made a tablet whose pen's tip is actually a tiny ball that rolls around. < 1248309852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be smoother < 1248309856 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Sorry, by default in Tcl, the space is a token seperator. < 1248309859 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, there's an esolang on the wiki that's 100% agnostic to whitespace < 1248309869 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Written by a python guy tired of people complaining about it :) < 1248309877 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can think of only one case in C, for instance, where you actually follow two identifiers one after the other < 1248309891 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: type foo;? < 1248309898 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, Glass lets you have have space in an identifier. < 1248309899 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1248309900 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Algol-68 didn't have consecutive identifiers anywhere IIRC < 1248309913 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly user-defined types, I'm not sure about that < 1248309914 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: typedef butt ass; < 1248309922 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it would have been ambiguous because it allowed spaces in identifiers < 1248309922 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(multiple-character identifiers are bad style in Glass) < 1248309924 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that's technically a declaration < 1248309929 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it had italic and bold < 1248309931 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:44 coppro: I can think of only one case in C, for instance, where you actually follow two identifiers one after the other < 1248309933 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's two identifiers < 1248309934 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one after another < 1248309938 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1248309948 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yes, C's grammar is stupid, it treats typedef a b; the same way as static a b; < 1248309951 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they're both the same case < 1248309956 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ < 1248309958 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, really? < 1248309960 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1248309960 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yes < 1248309972 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. < 1248309972 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though they're semantically completely different, they're gramattically the same < 1248309992 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, they are semantically similar < 1248310001 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but with a typedef or static tag, surely < 1248310005 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :typedef just indicates to declare a type, not an object < 1248310027 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Jumping_to_-1_is_exciting ← did anyone ever consider whether this is TC? < 1248310035 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? I don't recognise that page < 1248310037 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it new? < 1248310040 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(t if c else f) means (if c then t else f) < 1248310040 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or so old I never saw it? < 1248310042 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, 2007 old < 1248310045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blahbot` era < 1248310046 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember blahbot`? < 1248310053 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%command prefix < 1248310053 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only the name < 1248310054 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: aka %wapr < 1248310057 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't even remember what it did < 1248310060 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of things < 1248310073 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway, to explain the list of commands: < 1248310084 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CHARACTER tape description -> operation < 1248310096 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1248310100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ takes the top two elements and adds them < 1248310103 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% duplicates < 1248310106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" negates < 1248310114 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! considers the top element < 1248310132 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's 0, then it jumps to the third-from-top element thingy < 1248310134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise second < 1248310141 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and # does some reshaping; obvious from the example < 1248310141 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the program's stored on the tape? < 1248310148 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, that I don't remember < 1248310152 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll have to think < 1248310158 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does it have some sort of mental line numbering? < 1248310169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i'm thinking < 1248310177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm well < 1248310183 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jumping to -1 is exiting (as well as exciting) < 1248310187 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1248310192 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can conclude it's not stored on the tape < 1248310197 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1248310198 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(more a stack really) < 1248310199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, < 1248310208 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-1 isn't ascii < 1248310212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah it wasn't on the top < 1248310212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tape < 1248310219 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i think it was just position < 1248310222 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses bignums, iirc < 1248310233 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can only use visible characters, though, i think < 1248310238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on the modulo/- logic < 1248310242 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you'd have to add a bunch up < 1248310254 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you use the tape as a queue, somehow? < 1248310259 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, it has the ability to keep two bignums on the stack < 1248310263 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, aha < 1248310266 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so Minsky-style < 1248310266 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1248310272 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, at least < 1248310274 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm trying to reduce it < 1248310285 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the TCness will hinge on # and ! < 1248310295 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure ! is enough on its own, but I think # and ! may be < 1248310298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with $ to do conditional < 1248310298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1248310310 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(adding stuff then jumping to it) < 1248310332 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1248310336 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to figure out how # works
< 1248310338 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1248310347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the secondtopmost value is X < 1248310350 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the topmost is Y < 1248310360 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we pop them < 1248310360 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then < 1248310375 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes the Xmost element < 1248310378 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and moves it forwards Y places < 1248310378 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1248310387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1248310389 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1248310393 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-1 removes it though < 1248310396 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'm not quite sure < 1248310414 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i shoulda commented better < 1248310419 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the implementation will be on the other machine < 1248310528 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1248310576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: intuitively do you think it's TC or not? < 1248310577 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll say yes < 1248310591 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't look obviously non-TC < 1248310606 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and pretty much every lang which isn't obviously non-TC turns out to be TC < 1248310611 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :excepting maybe Dupdog and Xigxag < 1248310615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can rearrange arbitrary bignums at will, add and subtract values destructively and non-destructively, and do a 100% malleable jump operation < 1248310632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which seems pretty much TC to me < 1248310635 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that meets all 3 elements of the 'almost certainly TC' checklist < 1248310650 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wants to hurt Firefox right now
< 1248310650 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arbitrary access to infinite storage < 1248310655 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arbitrary effect at an arbitrary point < 1248310656 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand, i expect programming in it would be excruciatingly difficult < 1248310659 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and whatever the third one was, too < 1248310662 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from really trivial stuff < 1248310669 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: couldn't you translate a Minsky machine into it more or less directly? < 1248310674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, yes, but < 1248310675 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of # referring to a position < 1248310683 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does Firefox take an eternity to load? < 1248310683 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you need an extra char for your loop offset < 1248310686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it increases by one < 1248310695 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just a linking step < 1248310695 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm not using Firefox 3.5.0 < 1248310696 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any change of the program length or rearrangement implies many others < 1248310701 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i'm talking about manually < 1248310704 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1248310705 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, a human. < 1248310707 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so agreed, it's TC? < 1248310717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll have to prove it before i can agree < 1248310719 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but almost certainly < 1248310728 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people used to link by hand for ages, before assemblers were invented < 1248310800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm quite proud of the language, it's very generic and orthogonal and the sheer mindbogglingness of organizing a program comes naturally < 1248310820 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I picked the name wapr before the official one < 1248310824 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then oklopol (I think) said he thought "Jumping to -1 is exiting." said "exciting" instead < 1248310838 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i decided to do an INTERCAL and officially name it something completely different < 1248310851 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1248310894 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the wiki not working? < 1248310903 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was but works now < 1248311078 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Support-Should-Never-Be-Necessary.aspx < 1248311131 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :------------------------------------------------- < 1248311131 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISSUE #88318 < 1248311132 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :------------------------------------------------- < 1248311134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Client Issue: < 1248311136 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"your getting than you used to be" < 1248311138 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's the entirety of the message from the client.) < 1248311140 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Problem Point: < 1248311142 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :While it is unclear whether or not this is actually a complaint, what is < 1248311144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clear is that the technician's "getting" is in some way different than the < 1248311146 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :technician himself was at some point in the past. < 1248311148 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Improvement Goal: < 1248311150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each technician should take better care of his "getting", to ensure that < 1248311152 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it stops differing from how the technician used to be. That way, the < 1248311154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :technician will potentially be praised by the client with the commendation < 1248311156 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that, "your getting is now exactly the same as you are now". And those are < 1248311158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the type of praises that result in raises. < 1248311375 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"When I use default iPod software[…]Why can't I edit filenames" < 1248311384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This just in: people REALLY CARE about the internal filesystem of their MP3 players. < 1248311611 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :long pase o channel :( < 1248311622 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: doesn't actually surprise me < 1248311622 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*long paste to channel :( < 1248311625 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Long paste of channel. < 1248311626 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: what's happened to your 't' key? < 1248311636 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: which part? < 1248311640 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something got stuck under it < 1248311650 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: people upset that they couldn't edit filenames on the iPod < 1248311653 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1248311671 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KDE is moving to Git. < 1248311675 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooray for KDE. < 1248311678 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooray for Git. < 1248311710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i believe the ipod uses filenames like ff34-fea5f-f845f-37fy745.mp3 anyway < 1248311711 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1248311721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might use 03 Track Name.mp3 but in GUID directories < 1248311723 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I think it's that < 1248311725 0 :X-Scale!i=email@89.180.164.181 JOIN :#esoteric < 1248311733 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{35f45-f8234-f835j-fah45-c7wh4}/foo.mp3 < 1248311735 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-Scale: hi. < 1248311737 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who're you? < 1248311758 0 :X-Scale!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1248311778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1248311826 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I found the best page on the esolang wiki < 1248311831 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Talk:5-logic < 1248311832 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[There's no explanation as to why anyone would want to use this -T]] < 1248311839 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never has our philosophy been summed up more concisely < 1248311850 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1248311889 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that new? < 1248311897 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are you just random-page-surfing? < 1248311902 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :recent changes < 1248311903 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so new < 1248311918 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should reply, then < 1248311949 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that'd destroy its beauty & simplicity < 1248311966 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an oasis of perfect, nay ideal, incomprehension at the wiki, that reflects the exact purpose of it! < 1248312098 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if you can get therapy for inability to use killfiles < 1248312106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whenever i do anything of the sort, i always manually click to view every single message < 1248312109 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just can't not :| < 1248312114 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's irritating because i get more stupid in my bran < 1248312116 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brain < 1248312121 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i guess you could put stupid in bran flakes < 1248312286 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you can get a pension for using "killfiles" old grampa USENET < 1248312306 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is the oldest 13 year old ever
< 1248312330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually being the oldest N year old would be rather trivial; make sure nobody was born at the exact same time as you and voila, a split second before your birthday) < 1248312467 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also trivial is having been the youngest person alive. < 1248312484 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1248312536 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION would find it hard to believe that ehrid is 13... but...
< 1248312584 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't; I remember me at 13. < 1248312619 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: ehrid is an ex-partnership; Quazie seemed to refer to em a lot. < 1248312622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps you mean ehird? < 1248312629 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1248312630 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, consider me vaguely offended or somesuch. < 1248312635 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VAGUELY OFFENDED. < 1248312644 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yes, that's precisely the same thought I have < 1248312650 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1248312656 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't calling me immature (well ok it could be that too) < 1248312659 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vaguely unoffended! < 1248312665 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vaguely… neutral? < 1248312673 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's go with vaguely neutral. < 1248312680 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then we need to destroy you < 1248312689 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we all know the problem with neutrals < 1248312701 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ://///////////// < 1248312756 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :granted, I didn't spend quite as much of my time with programming theory < 1248312783 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i blame having a computer at 3 and the interwebs at 5 < 1248312792 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, more thank than blame) < 1248312813 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the most part, that describes my life too < 1248312829 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but the internet was well-formed when i got on < 1248312834 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's true < 1248312865 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION really needs to pick up a book on formal language theory
< 1248312875 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like what part < 1248312878 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a huge field < 1248312914 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Freaking gigantic. < 1248312924 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the basics, of course < 1248312950 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :books >>> everything else < 1248313371 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's a decent idea (though I think that this channel would do a nice job of teaching that) < 1248313388 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure most of us are familiar with at least the basics of formal language theory, after all. < 1248313427 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree < 1248313444 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I like reading books < 1248313464 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough. < 1248313485 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and, as you may have noticed me mention, I discovered my public library card gives me limited access to the local university library) < 1248313535 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice. < 1248313609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :piracy yay < 1248313645 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[18:44:03] But I like reading books <-- does not apply to PDFs, unless I waste a ton of money printing them < 1248313650 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and getting them bound < 1248313718 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get an ebook reader foo < 1248313723 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ipaper fuck yeah < 1248313972 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://stephenmann.net/2009/07/17/cool-haskell-function/ < 1248314018 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t pair . (map f *** id) . unpair < 1248314025 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no \bot < 1248314026 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1248314027 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1248315727 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is InstantDjango a decent way of playing with Django? < 1248316182 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1248316210 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1248317715 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Soushokuon < 1248317796 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-2-52.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1248317888 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1248323319 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :straw poll: a language spec says that a side-effect of a function is to increase (not increment) a variable. Does this mean the increase has to be by one, or can it be arbitrary? < 1248323376 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe that setting a variable to infinity is a valid interpretation. < 1248325539 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1248325673 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1248325854 0 :immibis!n=IceChat7@125-236-142-181.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1248325974 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :HOLY SHIT: MAN WALKS ON FUCKING MOON -- The Onion, Monday, July 21, 1969 | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D < 1248325978 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for those of us without utf-8 < 1248326191 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis: The lack of UTF-8 is a crime. < 1248326262 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Punishable by death. < 1248328467 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lack of UTF-8 in what? < 1248328575 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :V̅i̅v̅o̅. < 1248328613 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone explain what that says? < 1248328700 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y̅o̅u̅ ̅s̅u̅c̅k̅,̅ ̅I̅ ̅b̅e̅l̅i̅e̅v̅e̅…̅ < 1248328752 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suck, you believe? < 1248328863 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jes. < 1248328926 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it appears to me as "You suck, I believe", except with `I... between characters (`I represents I with ` above it) < 1248329029 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jeeze. < 1248329034 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enter the 90s, man! < 1248329048 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well this client works for everything else < 1248329060 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from having randomly placed blue gradients < 1248329066 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The lack of Unicode is a fundamental flaw. < 1248329080 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and being written in vb, but i don't need to know that to use it < 1248329109 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You really need to enter the 21st century. < 1248329188 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1248329246 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1248329277 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For, þou ſeeſt, Unicode be all powerful, and þy client is not. Doeſt þou comprehend? < 1248329728 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For, thou �ee�t, Unicode will be all powerful and thy client is not. Doe�t thou comprehend? <-- �? < 1248329747 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copy-pasting the text into google tells me that it means � < 1248329749 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously wrong < 1248329793 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Long s. < 1248329804 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, how did þorn turn into th? < 1248329826 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guessed, it fits the words and the sentence < 1248329831 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For, thou seest, Unicode will be all powerful, and thy client is not. Doest thou comprehend? <-- makes sense < 1248329852 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And why art þou adding "will" to yonder ſentence? < 1248329863 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keep in mind that this is a channel where long s and diaresis are in common use. You need some Unicode. < 1248329883 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially if we get to a discussion of, say, reëntrant code or some such. < 1248330084 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can tell that re(a~)(<<)ntrant code means reentrant code < 1248330109 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY DO YOU ACCEPT MOJIBAKE‽ < 1248330157 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enter the 21st century. ASCII is dead. < 1248330167 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(really: not even Windows is using it any more) < 1248330604 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I forgot that I was capitalizing all my Nouns today. < 1248330617 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm assuming that "today" is a Pronoun or an Adverb or something. :-P < 1248330642 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, Wiktionary says it is an Adverb. < 1248330703 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suddenly feel like I shouldn't be using the Word "hey" so much. < 1248330802 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why Are You Capitalizing All Your nouns Today? < 1248330814 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because that's what People used to do. < 1248330821 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People who speak German still do it. < 1248330851 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It makes what I write kind of resemble something written long ago. < 1248330896 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Capitalizing other Stuff just makes you contrary. :-P < 1248330898 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can ſee this in the Constitution, where the founding Fathers uſed it in their Writing. < 1248330937 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1248330950 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks quite nice, I find. < 1248330954 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, they alſo uſed long S. < 1248330958 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, it does. < 1248330971 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, you can always do this elsewise, and simply not use those things at all. < 1248330977 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shame that I am finding it difficult to uſe Nouns. :P < 1248330990 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look, nothing in what I'm writing now is either common or proper. < 1248331001 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's sometimes easier to not use them than to use them. < 1248331018 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which code point is ſ < 1248331019 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those who speak more concretely probably find them more useful than those who speak more abstractly. < 1248331059 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis: U+017F < 1248331109 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it is kind of difficult to talk about them without using them, seeing as how one can't well define them without using them. < 1248331165 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, Noun Time. < 1248331270 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly, we ʃould always capitalize all our Nouns and also use Greek Letters instead of digraφs. < 1248331297 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, ſ and ʃ are not necessarily very easy to distinguiʃ between. < 1248331330 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ʃall I set þe Topic to say "HOLY ƩIT"? < 1248331434 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean digrafs < 1248331462 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, Digraφs. It is very important to preserve etymological Stuff. < 1248331495 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like þe Distinction between c and k. < 1248331526 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Þough I am planning to mess some of þat up by using Diacritics. < 1248331610 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Þə qwick brown Fox jumps ōvər þə lāzē Dôg. < 1248331666 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whət ə wəndərfəl Wərld! < 1248331682 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION considers /ignore Warrigal
< 1248331717 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION considers /ignore ASCII heathens
< 1248331742 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, þat Sentənç sēmd wrông. Evrē Vowəl wəs ə Sĉwo. < 1248331746 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aand I'm finished. < 1248331789 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really should find a dialect in which short u and schwa are more clearly distinguished. < 1248331807 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: nothing against Unicode. Something against trying your best to use foreign letters and diacritics to speak < 1248331904 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: My uſage of ſ, þ, and ̈ is not exactly foreign. < 1248331913 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yours isn't, no < 1248331916 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Tis merely archaic. < 1248331924 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal, on the other hand... < 1248331940 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's merely fiddling with ſpelling reform. < 1248331950 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poorly. < 1248331970 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, Warrigal, you forgot å and ø < 1248331992 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I just didn't have use for them. :-P < 1248332030 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: am I doing anything in particular wrong? < 1248332076 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nonsense < 1248332097 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: You have 26 letters to work with. Go! < 1248332113 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is nå wøy to stop their use! < 1248332152 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sō Ī'll hav tə stop mī Dīgraph rəplāçmənt. :-P < 1248332161 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops, I used an extra letter. < 1248332173 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sō Ī'll hav t stop mī Dīgraph rplāçmnt. :-P < 1248332193 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If anyone has a list showing conversions from Unicode characters to the closest ASCII character that would be useful for my script < 1248332255 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis: RM. < 1248332260 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RM? < 1248332265 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Delete your client. < 1248332272 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a pox on the Internet. < 1248332278 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like using IE4. < 1248332287 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Find me another < 1248332302 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fucking netcat would be an improvement. < 1248332303 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must be free, run on windows and support scripting (any language) < 1248332310 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Irssi. < 1248332321 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have a gui. < 1248332337 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Xchat. < 1248332346 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not free on Windows. < 1248332352 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emacs. < 1248332357 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously? < 1248332359 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Wait, what? < 1248332379 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, yeah; Emacs has an IRC client. < 1248332381 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERC. < 1248332410 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1248332429 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just naming clients off the top of my head, BTW. < 1248332433 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use t3h google. < 1248332434 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ChatZilla? < 1248332449 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems to be free and run on windows and support scripting and have a GUI. < 1248332469 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though the platform isn't Windows but Mozilla or something. < 1248332627 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The platform is XUL. < 1248334524 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can someone repeat one of the earlier lines including utf-8 characters so i can test this script < 1248334580 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis: Sō Ī'll hav t stop mī Dīgraph rplāçmnt < 1248334633 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, φ and ə. < 1248334761 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[18:36] immibis: Sō Ī'll hav t stop mī Dīgraph rplāçmnt < 1248334761 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[18:36] immibis: SO i'll hav t stop mI DIgraph rplA�mnt < 1248334784 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :close enough i suppose < 1248334784 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's one way of doing it. < 1248334805 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just removing the diacritics would result in "So I'll hav t stop mi Digraph rplacmnt". < 1248334837 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iconv -f utf8 -t ascii//translit: "So I'll hav t stop mi Digraph rplacmnt". That's pretty much what it does there. < 1248334889 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what does that do to φ and ə? < 1248334896 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?s, I think. < 1248334898 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does [18:41] fizzie: what does that do to ? and ?? < 1248334914 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i said, i only implemented latin extended-a and latin extended-b < 1248334956 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit silly; it does ? even for Greek uppercase alpha (Α) even though they could really use A there. I guess they've just decided that the whole Greek block is ?. < 1248334979 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is windows - i don't have any command line tools such as iconv < 1248334981 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[18:42] It's a bit silly; it does ? even for Greek uppercase alpha (?) even though they could really use A there. I guess they've just decided that the whole Greek block is ?. < 1248335021 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tell them ə should be @ for me. :-P < 1248335513 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1248335525 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1248335999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1248336000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1248337318 0 :randomity!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1248337397 0 :randomity!i=mu@spoon.netsoc.tcd.ie JOIN :#esoteric < 1248337413 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1248337513 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1248337797 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1248338778 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://comonad.com/haskell/remorse-1.0/remorse.hs < 1248338822 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate you < 1248338829 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if it is possible to express an indentation grammar in EBNF
< 1248338936 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks it is not
< 1248339003 0 :randomity!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1248339074 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, if you have your lexer create indentation tokens, then you can < 1248339356 0 :randomity!i=mu@spoon.netsoc.tcd.ie JOIN :#esoteric < 1248339531 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1248339542 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? about remorse.hs i mean < 1248339738 0 :randomity!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1248339741 0 :randomity!i=mu@spoon.netsoc.tcd.ie JOIN :#esoteric < 1248339938 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis: ( edwardk) that was written by malcolm wallace and won the 0th annual IOHCC competition < 1248340284 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1248340770 0 :Soushokuon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1248342357 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1248342398 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1248347342 0 :nooga!n=nooga@94.254.135.142 JOIN :#esoteric < 1248347458 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"The only thing I know is that I know nothing" < 1248349326 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :HOLY SHIT: MAN WALKS ON FUCKING MOON — The Onion, Monday, July 21, 1969 | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D < 1248349393 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:58 pikhq: Xchat. < 1248349393 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:59 immibis: Not free on Windows. < 1248349394 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis: Silverex, stupid < 1248349466 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1248350208 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has a mouse that works better if you blow the top of it
< 1248350213 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1248350214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blow on to < 1248350403 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, err ok... < 1248350438 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it makes it conduct electricity better; it's a mighty-mouse, so that's important for the circuit underneath to recognize which side my finger is on < 1248350450 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, heh... < 1248350457 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus, blowing on to the top of the mouth temporarily makes right clicks more reliable (my mighty mouse has taken a lot of beating so it kinda sucks) < 1248350465 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*top of the mouse < 1248350473 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, just once in a while or very often? < 1248350492 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wears off in like less than a minute < 1248350500 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, I guess there is no warranty? Products usually start having problems after the warranty only... < 1248350512 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh there's a warranty, from december 2006 :P < 1248350523 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that ended by now then? < 1248350532 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it is 3 years < 1248350532 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it ended a year after it begun. < 1248350540 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got a keyboard replaced with it tho < 1248350547 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they gave me a different layout tho :D < 1248350556 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(US instead of UK, but that's fine) < 1248350575 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also keycaps were italics instead of straight, and uppercase instead of — iirc — lowercase, and the graphic on the option key changed. iirc. < 1248350877 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sighs...
< 1248350895 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The university I'm starting at this autumn seems to have some issues with their website: < 1248350909 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Self signed certs for creating account with mismatching domain name < 1248350914 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Lots of 404s. < 1248350921 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can only hope they will fix it soon. < 1248350937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people don't watch those things < 1248350940 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every uni website has 404s < 1248350948 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and certificates are very often fucked up < 1248350957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, for the instruction for connecting to WLAN? https://shib1.oru.se/account/startnet/Wlan_windowsXP.pdf < 1248350968 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if the cert works on that page... < 1248350981 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://shib1.oru.se/account/index.jsp < 1248350983 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you have to sign in. < 1248350993 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: safari recognizes it as no-cert < 1248350998 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah no, can't do that, there is another 404 that prevents me creating an account... < 1248351003 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, "no-cert"? < 1248351010 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't present it as a secure site < 1248351015 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no indication of a certificate etc < 1248351033 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well true. But it is https, and that means there is a cert. Except a broken one. < 1248351041 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prolly works in IE < 1248351044 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prolly tough shit < 1248351049 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try it in IE < 1248351089 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well my laptop will be delivered on Monday or so. It will have "Vista Bullshit Edition" err I meant "Business" < 1248351100 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so meh, can always try then < 1248351106 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before I install linux < 1248351115 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: heh, unlucky you; in a few months everything'll be 7 < 1248351125 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i think manufacturers are offering free upgrades to 7 for people who get suckered or sth < 1248351129 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so? I won't run vista much < 1248351140 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think you realise quite how horrific vista is to use < 1248351151 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no, I never used anything newer than xp < 1248351164 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I'm going to install xp under virtualbox I guess. < 1248351197 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh btw about xp... I wonder what will happen to those "activation" key thingies in the future. Will it be possible to activate XP in 25 years for example? < 1248351199 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not < 1248351244 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how bad/good is 7? I haven't followed the discussion < 1248351257 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 is good. < 1248351263 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, better than XP. < 1248351270 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1248351274 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1248351294 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1248351304 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway. I wonder which distro I shall use... < 1248351310 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arch probably < 1248351311 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vista internal reworkings + dropping some backwards compatibility (anything that worked on vista still works, so... just about anything; this may have been by mistake, but) + making the UI nicer + lots and lots of speed improvements < 1248351348 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, dropping backwards compat? So XP stuff might break? < 1248351356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XP stuff that doesn't run on Vista. < 1248351358 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you run office XP on vista btw? Just wondering. < 1248351362 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., nothing + epsilon. < 1248351374 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :epsilon < 1248351374 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: there's no such thing as office xp < 1248351380 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh as in the math term < 1248351383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1248351388 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was some software called that first < 1248351395 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, office 2002? < 1248351408 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, office xp does exist < 1248351417 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes I have the box somewhere even I think < 1248351419 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug* < 1248351438 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure why you'd want to run office, but < 1248351461 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I don't... But I don't know what I will need for uni. And openoffice is quite painful < 1248351468 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LaTeX! < 1248351491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: re arch — bwahaha! "For this course we will be using Python. Please install Python now." "# emerge python" (5 minutes pass) "Okay, now start up Python. If you're using Windows, you can…" "Compiling dependency5467 (24%)… (25%)…" (tick tock tick tock tick tock tick tock) "Okay, and that about wraps it up for today!" "Compiling… 100%" "# " < 1248351498 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I will have to check what formats they accept. But if possible I will probably use latex < 1248351499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. arch as opposed to gentoo) < 1248351505 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: render latex to pdf, dood < 1248351507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like everyone else :P < 1248351512 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not so with python < 1248351520 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since emerge is a python script < 1248351524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah... < 1248351528 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh i spent all that time writing that joke and you have to go trample on it :D < 1248351530 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*spend < 1248351533 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that specific example didn't work very well :P < 1248351534 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ok i wrote it in a few seconds < 1248351536 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly transcription < 1248351558 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also you clearly never used emerge... :P < 1248351567 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since that output was unrealistic :D < 1248351576 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I'm going for arch probably yes < 1248351583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thankfully i never have < 1248351631 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :debian probably have more packages < 1248351633 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however < 1248351639 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm so not going to use debian < 1248351645 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they fuck up too often < 1248351665 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1248351666 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously? < 1248351667 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes I'm referring to things like the ssh key fuckup for example. < 1248351675 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that was a huge fuckup < 1248351682 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also the only one in debian's whole history < 1248351692 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of 14 years at the time < 1248351700 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also I read on thinkwiki about issues with debian patched kernels and thinkpad ultrabays < 1248351709 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they patch it to use the old driver < 1248351711 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if debian were me, i'd have never made a mistake or been angry now :P < 1248351713 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of the new pata layer < 1248351725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: how old's that page? < 1248351739 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well I checked the bug report. it was still marked as "open" for 2.6.27 kernel < 1248351748 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :last activity? < 1248351765 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :goom < 1248351766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, iirc early june < 1248351771 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't have the page open atm < 1248351772 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1248351778 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe late may < 1248351843 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway. arch have a policy of not patching unless it is a patch from upstream or very very urgent and important. So it tends to follow upstream pretty closely < 1248351869 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm definitely going for a vanilla kernel anyway < 1248351975 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what are the differences between 64-bit on Intel and AMD? IIRC there is something like one or two instructions that differ. Like Intel not having one and AMD not having another? < 1248351982 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this excludes all SSE* and such) < 1248351987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which differs more) < 1248351988 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i don't think that's true. < 1248351993 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1248352002 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, maybe it was only early Intel ones that were affected < 1248352013 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prolly < 1248352039 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: amd laptops are basically a bad idea, though; the power consumption and heat output is just too much < 1248352058 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, my sempron doesn't run hot however :P < 1248352070 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's because it has a big heatsink on top of it < 1248352074 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that, even without a fan, is thicker than a laptop. < 1248352076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :much thicker. < 1248352159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes the LAHF and SAHF instructions < 1248352166 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION lahfs.
< 1248352170 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Intel added it in December 2005 < 1248352186 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1248352212 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SAHF: Store AH into Flags < 1248352224 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LAHF: Load Status Flags into AH Register < 1248352245 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea why this is useful < 1248352255 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :core 2 (based on Core architecture) was released in 2006 and that was, iirc, their first consumer-level 64-bit chip < 1248352263 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather, AMD64 < 1248352270 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think pentium 4-based Xeons got it first or something like months before but nobody used them. < 1248352275 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Loads the SF, ZF, AF, PF, and CF flags of the EFLAGS register with values from the corresponding < 1248352275 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bits in the AH register (bits 7, 6, 4, 2, and 0, respectively). The instruction ignores bits 1, 3, and 5 of < 1248352275 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :register AH; it sets those bits in the EFLAGS register to 1, 0, and 0, respectively. < 1248352279 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is SAHF < 1248352279 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not gonna be a problem < 1248352284 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any idea why that is useful? < 1248352289 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1248352369 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I think it means you can set/read several status flags in one go < 1248352371 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1248352409 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reads how about korean politics revolve around physically fighting the other party to stop laws being passed: http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/93pt7/korean_parliament_erupts_in_allout_brawl_over/c0bbip6
< 1248352419 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck democracy, this is clearly better < 1248352422 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brawlocracy < 1248352439 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgnews.naver.com/image/001/2009/07/22/GYH2009072200100004400_P2.jpg ← i can't believe the news would actually make this :D < 1248352442 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : crazy < 1248352446 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh wait < 1248352447 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : crazy < 1248352448 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even < 1248352452 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way it lines up < 1248352457 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"here's a quick summary of today's parliamental fight!" < 1248352492 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what are the red explosion like thingies? < 1248352516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope red explosions, but probably people hitting each other. < 1248352543 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about that reddit link < 1248352544 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tactical grenades! < 1248352551 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the comments: "Basically, this is just a Korean version of filibuster, nothing more." <-- heh < 1248352563 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :filibustamove < 1248352564 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah filibusters are pretty undemocratic too < 1248352583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :filibusters are perfectly democratic < 1248352586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a different type of vote < 1248352625 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"And after each brawl, some media outlets will show the battle maps and each parties' strategic notes and explain where the turning point in the battle was." <-- crazy... < 1248352635 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like they considered it pretty normal and sane... < 1248352657 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably they have been doing it for many decades < 1248352661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least some years < 1248352697 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, sure this isn't a hoax? < 1248352708 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the video of the brawl is from the Guardian < 1248352713 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the pamphlet seems real < 1248352718 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok... < 1248352718 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and his story is consistent < 1248352723 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he's commenting a lot about it in reply < 1248352729 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prolly true. ask lifthrasiir. < 1248352851 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it only US that has filibustering? < 1248352853 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: anyway there are worse things than filibusters; e.g. http://www.wellstone.org/about-us/pass-wellstone-bill — which was part of… the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008. The bailout. "Pass this fluffy bill! It's awesome! Please don't look at what's stapled to it." < 1248352871 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the article has sections for ancient rome, UK, US, Canada and France < 1248352872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on wp < 1248352888 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1248352955 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, far too often the real laws and changes are buried in sub-paragraph in a sub-list of a section about a totally irrelevant piece of minutiae < 1248352961 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I can't figure out what the bill is really about from that link... "treat mental illness the same as physical illness" is pretty vague... In what respect would they be the same? < 1248352963 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hopeless < 1248352973 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: dunno. < 1248352983 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't matter < 1248352995 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't vote against such a fluffy, feel-good bill < 1248353001 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or everyone hates you for being evil < 1248353003 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have to vote for the bailout. < 1248353006 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what was bundled with it, did you say? < 1248353015 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it was bundled in the bailout. < 1248353017 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of the banks < 1248353021 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1248353039 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that seems very odd. Since they are unrelated < 1248353047 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it really legal to do that? < 1248353047 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's very simple < 1248353057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you vote against this act, you hate mentally ill people and are evil and kill puppies, obviously < 1248353061 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1248353062 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to vote for it < 1248353065 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to vote for the bailout < 1248353075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :…thus ensuring that the bailout passes. < 1248353087 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, it's legal, [[12:42 ehird: also, far too often the real laws and changes are buried in sub-paragraph in a sub-list of a section about a totally irrelevant piece of minutiae]] is also legal and it's how all the legislation is done < 1248353089 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes, I mean... is it *legal* to bundle two unrelated issues into one voting session (or whatever it is called) < 1248353094 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :absolutely < 1248353095 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in Canada < 1248353098 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :their constitution forbids it < 1248353100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I dunno non-US places < 1248353107 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in the US, everything goes through that < 1248353111 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, Go Canada! < 1248353118 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in this case at least) < 1248353138 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, pretty sure I haven't heard about this happening in Sweden. That doesn't mean it didn't happen though... < 1248353172 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit zzo38 soiled the beautiful incomprehension of http://esolangs.org/wiki/Talk:5-logic < 1248353341 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very zzoish comment < 1248353352 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything zzo says is zzo < 1248353381 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1248353622 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You can use fstsw+sahf to dump the x87 FPU status flags to the (low-order bytes of) EFLAGS registers, and then use the normal conditional jumps and such for logic, instead of manually examining different bits. < 1248353640 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess for actual eflags-saving/restoring pushf/popf are more used. < 1248353692 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1248353737 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for other uses, the interwebs seem to suggest they're mostly a 8080 pseudo-compatibility relic. < 1248353746 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1248353755 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8080 compatibility, 64-bit edition :D < 1248353763 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, they were *added* on x86_64... < 1248353816 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lahf/sahf most definitely weren't. Well, according to the pages I've seen on the topic, anyway. Hell, they're in the "Original 8086/8088 instructions" list of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86_instruction_listings < 1248353850 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe... < 1248353852 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The SAHF instruction can only be executed in 64-bit mode if supported by the processor < 1248353852 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :implementation. Check the status of ECX bit 0 returned by CPUID function 8000_0001h to verify that < 1248353852 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the processor supports SAHF in 64-bit mode. < 1248353852 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1248353865 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, so? < 1248353870 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe available only in 32 bit mode before? < 1248353875 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think what was added was LAHF/SAHF support in 64-bit mode, yes. Maybe. < 1248353883 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1248353975 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wonderign why loading web pages was so slow suddenly and then realised I had just started downloading archlinux iso by bittorrent... < 1248353977 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1248354331 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meanwhile, < 1248354335 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/8zv9i/god_is_imaginary_50_simple_proofs/c0ayww3 < 1248354336 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Athiests and followers of man made religions will get the biggest shock of their lives when they die." < 1248354341 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"followers of man made religions will get the biggest shock of their lives when they die." < 1248354351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess his was gifted to him by a zombie :-P < 1248354505 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1248354516 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1248354777 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 14 Then I said, "Not so, Sovereign LORD! I have never defiled myself. From my youth until now I have never eaten anything found dead or torn by wild animals. No unclean meat has ever entered my mouth." < 1248354778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 15 "Very well," he said, "I will let you bake your bread over cow manure instead of human excrement." < 1248354790 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, God! < 1248354800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're a really swell guy, yaknow. < 1248356128 0 :oklopol!n=oklopol@i080018.gprs.dnafinland.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1248356136 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oklopol! < 1248356156 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i gave it crowd another try, and that supernerd is actually pretty funny. < 1248356169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so's your mom < 1248356171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :osnap < 1248356172 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :osnup < 1248356177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :osnep < 1248356181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :osnip? < 1248356183 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsne < 1248356185 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner < 1248356191 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner → oklopol < 1248356193 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you just won employee of the month" "i don't belive it!" "please believe it" < 1248356195 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh snap → osnap → oklopol < 1248356203 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :science↗ < 1248356209 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for advancement of the human race↗ < 1248356222 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm assuming you can supply the context that makes that funny yourself < 1248356225 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for upper-right-pointing arrows↗ < 1248356235 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, are you people talking < 1248356237 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ehird < 1248356240 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oklopol < 1248356241 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's it hanging? < 1248356244 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :↗ <--- why is this half as tall as lower case e one of the times but next time equally tall? < 1248356255 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not committing suicide oklopol < 1248356258 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't care if you want me to hang myself < 1248356258 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or different char ehird ? < 1248356269 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: um it's just an arrow pointing up ^ and right > < 1248356271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :diagonal < 1248356277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same char < 1248356285 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it seems you have some serious context supplying skill. < 1248356293 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ok. just rendering issue then... < 1248356296 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: A↗ the arrow should be a little taller < 1248356302 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: do i do i do i do < 1248356314 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, the arrow there is about as high as "e" and about the same placement < 1248356321 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/high/tall/ < 1248356326 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it might be both < 1248356327 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: use a proportional font :P < 1248356370 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nescience: plz put myndzi back, we need \o/ completion :( < 1248356373 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I think the unbenefits outweigh(sp?) the benefits < 1248356382 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and yeah I forgot the right word for "unbenefit") < 1248356390 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: anyway, while you're correct in that it has a very bad return, it's still one of the most probable ways to get a million without working < 1248356395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unbenefits lol < 1248356401 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: wwwwwwhat? < 1248356402 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : nescience: plz put myndzi back, we need \o/ completion :( <-- only if it isn't broken this time.... < 1248356410 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: NO i like broken < 1248356420 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: err lottery < 1248356427 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you kinda didn't say lottery < 1248356429 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: or anything < 1248356429 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway what is the right word. < 1248356433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: unbenefits < 1248356441 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no way < 1248356445 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah i'm kidding :) < 1248356446 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was in my buffer of paused conversations < 1248356447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's disbenefits < 1248356452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: heh < 1248356456 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and because of the context thing < 1248356456 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :disadvantage vs. advantage but for benefit? < 1248356460 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought i'd just say it. < 1248356460 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that sounds like a joke too < 1248356466 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's not... < 1248356478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i think there are more probable ways < 1248356493 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, trying every single "free" ipod thing and selling them on ebay < 1248356502 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe. < 1248356502 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not work? < 1248356513 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's a very trivial kind of work < 1248356516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of it can be scripted < 1248356518 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lottery = call my dad and say "can you put a few rows for me" < 1248356522 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole ebay part can be scripted < 1248356530 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just clicking a few things for the referring shit < 1248356537 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you are right, but it is so disusual that the first three hits on google are dictionaries and similar. < 1248356547 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: wait am I right? I was bullshitting < 1248356554 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, the word exists... < 1248356562 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: anyway it'll probably be way better than the lottery and you can just do it while you're bored < 1248356564 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing has 0 work < 1248356585 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: mebbe try one of those "click ads for money" thing actually, that's easier and appears to give money, if only minor amounts < 1248356595 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm never bored < 1248356595 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean if you can hit the counter all day you can click all day :D < 1248356606 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :minor amounts? < 1248356619 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm talking about getting a million. < 1248356620 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1248356624 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yes, and? < 1248356631 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the ads you're certain to get a million if you just keep clicking < 1248356636 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1248356637 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a lottery, the odds are astronomically unlikely < 1248356647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just clicking a lot isn't much work at all < 1248356648 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have a distorted opinion of little work < 1248356654 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, seems to be used mostly in jargon...[1] [1] Quick glance at first page of results from googling the word. < 1248356661 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me, opening the browser is a bit too much work. < 1248356668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: eh < 1248356670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your loss :P < 1248356685 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : with a lottery, the odds are astronomically unlikely and just clicking a lot isn't much work at all <-- intentional joke on "lot"? < 1248356690 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1248356694 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1248356696 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish those ad clickers didn't have "no bots" in their TOS < 1248356700 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be so much more profitable < 1248356719 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, even though i might be just as insane as you, only in the other direction, i'm pretty sure no one considers getting a million by clicking on ads "little work". < 1248356741 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well yeah it isn't, but the amount of numbers you'd have to pick on the lottery is far more work considering the odds < 1248356746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :than mindlessly clicking a whole bunch < 1248356750 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(less than the lottery) < 1248356769 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can just ask python for the numbers < 1248356773 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just < 1248356773 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:41 oklopol: lottery = call my dad and say "can you put a few rows for me" < 1248356776 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :offload the work < 1248356779 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which doesn't actually make it less work < 1248356782 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could get someone else to click for you too < 1248356785 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what about writing an extremely popular book instead? < 1248356786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's not the point < 1248356793 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: probably more likely than the lottery < 1248356796 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, i'm fairly sure it's at least a year of work, pretty much non stop, to get a million from clicking ads < 1248356799 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless I ununderstood the topic. < 1248356801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also books don't pay thaaaaaaat well < 1248356804 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik < 1248356813 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, coiunterexample: J. K. Rowling? < 1248356817 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :counter* < 1248356827 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: countercounterexample: 99% of all authors ever < 1248356835 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, true. < 1248356841 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: same for lottery tickets, except replace clicking with picking numbers or pressing enter to get more numbers < 1248356850 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also prolly far more of that, due to the odds < 1248356856 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you have to pick the numbers once < 1248356864 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what, and reuse them all the time? < 1248356868 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :making the account takes at most 5 minutes < 1248356869 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you still have to click on the site < 1248356870 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :buy ticket < 1248356871 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :buy ticket < 1248356872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :buy ticket < 1248356876 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1248356879 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to do that *once* < 1248356882 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least the same work, almost certainly more due to odds < 1248356883 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :buy ticket? < 1248356883 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's forever < 1248356885 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :less money < 1248356886 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1248356894 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't that be more expensive than winning? < 1248356908 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: basically ehird is saying it. < 1248356908 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: eh? < 1248356911 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1248356911 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, depends on what the tickets are for < 1248356916 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lottery tickets < 1248356920 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh right < 1248356928 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easier to click a million's worth of ads than making an account for the lottery < 1248356928 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, thought you meant add-clicking < 1248356937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lottery ticket in this country nets you £-1 < 1248356950 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, wow... they must have some seriously complicated question on the sign up form! < 1248356951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there are other cases but they're so statistically improbable to be irrelevant) < 1248356964 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: lol freudian slip < 1248356974 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was there? < 1248356976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "Is the Riemann hypothesis true? Provide a proof written in Coq." < 1248356984 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: 13:48 oklopol: it's easier to click a million's worth of ads than making an account for the lottery < 1248356985 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cock < 1248356998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: you're the 5 billionth person to make that joke. < 1248357002 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i was continuing the sentence < 1248357004 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yeah or: "location of key you lost 15 years ago" < 1248357011 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i now realize the sentence made sense as it was :D < 1248357011 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they check it! < 1248357017 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially as i always put the period first. < 1248357024 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just wanted to belong :( < 1248357044 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augh that was a horrible joke Slereah < 1248357059 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: but seriously, how much do ads pay, i mean is it even physically possible to get a million? < 1248357074 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well they're pyramid schemes ofc but < 1248357088 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea how the ad-clicking stuff works < 1248357099 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: from bux.to: "10 ad clicks a day = $0.10; 20 referrals click 10 ads a day = $2.00; blah blah earnings; monthly earnings = $63" < 1248357103 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc the hard part is 20 referral < 1248357103 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1248357106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spam irc channels or sth :P < 1248357123 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so with that baseline, it'd take 1,322.75 years < 1248357132 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much can you get a day, from one source? < 1248357142 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, short on money? < 1248357143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinite i'm pretty sure < 1248357148 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well naturally it has to be in the next 10 years or so < 1248357150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: we're just doing hypotheticals < 1248357151 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1248357154 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok < 1248357156 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's say we click 1000 ads a day instead < 1248357162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 50 referrals click 20 < 1248357166 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, being optimistic < 1248357166 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1248357171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :50 clicking 20 isn't too optimistic < 1248357177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's moreso than the 1000 a day < 1248357178 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is trivial < 1248357193 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's $100 a day just by our 1000 clicks < 1248357196 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1000 a day is already more work than making the lottery account < 1248357206 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then < 1248357208 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just to make sure you still know you're making no sense < 1248357209 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$100 by our 50 clicking 20 < 1248357219 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := $6,000/mo < 1248357236 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6000 a month will never get you to a million < 1248357245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yes it will, in 13 years < 1248357248 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well 13.9 < 1248357249 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 14 < 1248357265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hey how much is your lottery getting you < 1248357268 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zero? :P < 1248357275 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had a limit of 10 years < 1248357287 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, a thousand clicks a day for 13 years? < 1248357291 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, what about probability of winning instead of just making that account < 1248357293 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is that not much work :D < 1248357303 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well ok if we want to do it in 10 years < 1248357307 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need $8,333/year < 1248357313 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: we're talking about easy ways to get a million, not sure ways to get it < 1248357318 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll be much less... worky to refer rather than click < 1248357322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since your referral clicks without you < 1248357328 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can like spam google wit hblogs < 1248357330 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just saying if you don't want to work your ass off, lottery is one of the most probably ways to get rich < 1248357333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm not taking ethics into account here) < 1248357334 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1248357337 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, hm ok. Is there anything more than that account? Like clicking "buy a ticket"? < 1248357338 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$8333/mo < 1248357339 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not year < 1248357342 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1248357351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$277/day < 1248357352 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: make the account, put money on it < 1248357432 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just really don't see how spamming stuff on blogs every day and clicking on ads every day is more work than setting up an account once, and putting money on it a few times a year < 1248357435 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: we click 280 times a day, and have 250 referrers click 10 times each < 1248357439 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := $278/mo < 1248357447 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you have to check whether you won every week < 1248357448 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := 1mil in 10 years < 1248357454 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the rules let us only do that once as well < 1248357455 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i'm not going for easy in this case < 1248357457 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you said is it even possible < 1248357458 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's not about the probability < 1248357467 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm saying yes < 1248357477 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Availability Limited! Packages with 15, 35, 100 and 500 referrals are available now. < 1248357485 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, spamming on blogs is evil. < 1248357491 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not going for easy? then why not get a job < 1248357491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait < 1248357495 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :500 referrals clicking 10 = $50 < 1248357500 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my maths is broken methinks < 1248357502 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone can get a million by working < 1248357505 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 13:55 ehird: (I'm not taking ethics into account here) < 1248357516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: not in 10 years if you don't have any skillz < 1248357517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah... < 1248357533 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc the main issue with bux.to and the like is, well < 1248357534 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cache0.techcrunch.com/wp-content/buxto.jpg < 1248357537 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they generally, you know < 1248357539 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't pay you. < 1248357540 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: true < 1248357548 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm... < 1248357555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's a total pyramid scheme < 1248357561 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody ethical would participate in a pyramid scheme anyway < 1248357561 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, sue them! < 1248357569 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think bux.to is perfectly legal. < 1248357574 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't HAVE to be a pyramid scheme < 1248357580 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just won't earn more than peanuts if you don't treat it as one < 1248357594 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not in pyramid schemes where most people don't know they are pyramid schemes < 1248357600 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but as a form of gamble, why not < 1248357609 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like a fun game < 1248357616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bux.to would never admit they're a pyramid scheme < 1248357650 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1248357655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they will never be able to pay insane amounts < 1248357664 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :advertisers aren't really interested in giving ads to people who will close it immediately < 1248357667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and are just doing it to get cash < 1248357671 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they won't look at the product < 1248357674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1248357709 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh it would be nice to have a few more $k lying around and then give up on it < 1248357722 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, they won't pay you.. < 1248357727 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as you said yourself < 1248357730 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they've paid plenty of people. < 1248357736 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k's are boring, i want M's < 1248357736 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://cache0.techcrunch.com/wp-content/buxto.jpg < 1248357739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not if you earn too much, and sporadically < 1248357747 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no i'm not short on cash < 1248357748 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of cashflow issues < 1248357762 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have enough to live, and if i wanted stuff, i'd have money to buy it < 1248357765 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just build up a few $k — but not too much — wait until they have some cash < 1248357767 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then jump ship < 1248357771 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, if i was someone who liked stuff, i probably wouldn't have money < 1248358137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow ram is really cheap < 1248358399 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i was going to google number conversion, and wrote gonger in the url < 1248358446 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1248358451 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : i have enough to live, and if i wanted stuff, i'd have money to buy it <-- whatever that thing is? < 1248358461 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=recursion < 1248358464 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION considers oklopol wanting the Golden gate bridge
< 1248358471 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you asked if i was short on money < 1248358479 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, that was ages ago yes < 1248358479 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION considers oklopol buying a computer. for me.
< 1248358481 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it got pushed in the stack < 1248358491 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you forgot an important word < 1248358492 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: YOU WANT TO BUY A COMPUTER FOR ME < 1248358492 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kthx < 1248358494 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"wanting to buy" < 1248358495 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i answered once ehird stopped being insane < 1248358500 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah there you added it < 1248358503 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i stopped being insane? < 1248358511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it feels peculiarly similar < 1248358516 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: well yes, you made it clear you weren't talking about easy ways < 1248358553 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: gimme £1 every week and I swear that you will have a chance of me giving you £1,000,000 that is 10% more likely than the lottery < 1248358556 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't even have to pick numbers < 1248358565 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑ easier, more likely < 1248358571 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is that? < 1248358578 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=recursion <-- intentional? < 1248358585 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would you do with it then? < 1248358585 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how should i know AnMaster < 1248358592 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: whaddya mena < 1248358593 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mean < 1248358595 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, seems plausible though < 1248358602 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you won't win anyway, so i'll just keep it"? < 1248358625 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean how're you going to get a million? < 1248358661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: two ways < 1248358668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a) debt, (b) money from your bets < 1248358677 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's rational to keep betting after you win because you might get another million < 1248358685 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you hit it first time, it's debt until i get a million, which i get from your bets < 1248358694 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also any other sources of money i have < 1248358712 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1248358723 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i won a million, i would not bet again < 1248358725 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are an idiot < 1248358727 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the chances of both you winning and me being stuck in permanent debt with no way to repay it are so astronomically unlikely even compared to you just winning that you should be more worried about me dying in a freak asteroid-and-chicken-wing accident < 1248358731 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: why not? < 1248358738 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i have enough < 1248358739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want a million, and think this is a good way to get it < 1248358742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not get two million? < 1248358745 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: then i'll just enroll other people < 1248358750 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have better odds, so there < 1248358751 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would i want two million? < 1248358753 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i expect your bets < 1248358763 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1248358782 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is really annoying < 1248358803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you do know that "a lot of people bet and then we repay the winning bets with the bets" is the exact same model as the lottery, right? < 1248358822 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just give you better chances and, depending on if you set up a batch, less work (no numbers) < 1248358828 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so c'mon, where's my quid < 1248358840 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: except you can't get enough players < 1248358855 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what they said to Baron von Lottery III < 1248358865 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : oklopol: you do know that "a lot of people bet and then we repay the winning bets with the bets" is the exact same model as the lottery, right? <-- not exactly. The difference is that they can make sure they have the money... by not paying most of the people back < 1248358868 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe he wasn't an annoying brat? < 1248358872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: anyway, i don't need enough players necessarily < 1248358875 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1248358877 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :misread that < 1248358888 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you will lose many, many times before you win; if you don't it's just temporary debt while i get more players < 1248358909 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty much certain to be able any winnings within like ten years < 1248359002 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: if you seriously think you can make a better system than the lottery, then yeah, i'll start playing as soon as i see your ad on the net < 1248359023 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: my system gives you better odds < 1248359025 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's that simple < 1248359030 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: but it doesn't exist < 1248359034 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it does < 1248359043 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1248359043 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it starts running as soon as i get my first pound < 1248359542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well? < 1248359662 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: do you know how to convert between rationals and doubles in j? < 1248359676 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think so, second < 1248359681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme test < 1248359719 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't find anything for it in the docs < 1248359722 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: err it's isomorphic < 1248359725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have to convert < 1248359725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? < 1248359733 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1248359737 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f.e. < 1248359740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1r2+o.1 < 1248359740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.64159 < 1248359747 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically not, except for speedual purposes. < 1248359749 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1248359753 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: (1r2+o.1)-o.1 < 1248359754 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1248359756 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to print a rational in form i can see < 1248359762 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a form < 1248359769 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rationals are very seeable : < 1248359769 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1248359770 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1248359772 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemm etake a look < 1248359781 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if they are too long they aren't < 1248359793 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: +0.1-0.1 works < 1248359794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is ugly < 1248359802 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one is like multiple hundred pages prolly < 1248359814 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm interested, what are you writing? < 1248359888 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay pi works, because it's not an exact number, but yes, ugly < 1248359894 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: +0.1-0.1 works < 1248359902 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+0.0 doesn't, dunno why < 1248359908 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: another silly option: < 1248359911 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm just calculating some lottery odds < 1248359922 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(%x)*x < 1248359934 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er wait < 1248359935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's 1 < 1248359945 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also +0.1-0.1 doesn't work for me < 1248359956 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1r2+0.1-0.1 < 1248359956 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.5 < 1248359963 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 22r7+0.1-0.1 < 1248359963 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.14286 < 1248359966 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe whether decimals are exact is implementation defined? < 1248359970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prolly < 1248359980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i suggest you use one of the base things < 1248359987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're meant to let j pick a representation in general i think < 1248360004 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: that is < 1248360011 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rational is so big i can't print all of it < 1248360018 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: #:(numerator x) and #:(denomerator x) < 1248360024 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1248360040 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you get the binary digits < 1248360042 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can just do < 1248360049 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#.nd < 1248360050 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#.dd < 1248360051 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and voila < 1248360059 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's numerator, there? < 1248360061 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't really help you get x.y though < 1248360063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just (x/y) < 1248360069 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can limit how many digits you see < 1248360070 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but on second thoughts < 1248360072 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally useless < 1248360080 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not defined < 1248360090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know < 1248360094 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't wnt to look it up < 1248360095 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*want < 1248360107 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+.y yields a two-element list of the real and imaginary parts of its argument. For example, +.3j5 is 3 5, and +.3 is 3 0 . < 1248360130 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1248360133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's imaginaries < 1248360136 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not helpful < 1248360136 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im so fucking stupid < 1248360144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah :P < 1248360170 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, it proves the creators of j probably know how to separate a tuple into it's components < 1248360170 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1248360171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: use a foreign function or something from the libraries < 1248360174 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to convert to string or whatever < 1248360183 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll just add and sub pi :P < 1248360188 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah that works < 1248360240 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only 1/10000 for 4 years of lottery, that actually puts it ahead of some of the more ridiculous ideas of mine, like walking to the bank and seeing if anyone notices you taking all their money. < 1248360270 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : r2d =: monad define < 1248360270 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y + (o.1) - (o.1) < 1248360271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1248360273 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : r2d 1r2 < 1248360275 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.5 < 1248360277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem solved < 1248360280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: lol that's some idea < 1248360282 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yarr < 1248360288 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: also did you take into account how many people play lottery < 1248360290 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1248360291 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course you did < 1248360294 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but did you get the numbers right < 1248360306 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: might be more probable than lottery, but you can only do it once :P < 1248360313 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about the number of people? < 1248360315 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just move all the time! < 1248360324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: the more people that play the lottery, the less likely you are to win < 1248360365 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes, but the big wins are only shared like 20% of the time < 1248360375 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20% being based on nothing. < 1248360377 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even so /shrug < 1248360391 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you gotta take the player counts into account or it's worthless < 1248360408 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, that does make it slightly harder, except the ones where they're shared are usually ones in which the jackpot is high anyway < 1248360417 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and splitting it doesn't drop under a millionn < 1248360420 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*million < 1248360432 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in finland, that is, your jackpots are bigger afaik < 1248360438 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably more players < 1248360475 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i think statistically most lottery winners get a million. < 1248360480 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*speaking < 1248360491 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least that is < 1248360507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: email tech@jsoftware.com or jal@jsoftware.com ("application library" issues) and tell them to make a rational to float function or whatever < 1248360517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adding and subtracting pi is for stupids < 1248360547 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know there's something for it, the j docs are just kinda... bad < 1248360565 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow there's multiple active mailings lists for J < 1248360576 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1248360584 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm afraid of mailing lists < 1248360592 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://jsoftware.com/pipermail/programming/2009-July/thread.html < 1248360595 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tons of posts just this month < 1248360601 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's just one of them < 1248360607 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool. < 1248360609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1248360611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Write a numeric constant with value 2147483648 (2^31) < 1248360611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> in the fewest characters. < 1248360618 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2^31? :D < 1248360685 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it exact? < 1248360693 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't convert doubles to rationals either :) < 1248360693 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2^31 < 1248360693 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.14748e9 < 1248360699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1248360703 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: that's easy < 1248360708 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1248360709 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1248360712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er wait < 1248360713 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3.44r1 < 1248360714 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.44 < 1248360720 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: also I'm not sure it's exact < 1248360724 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does stop at 48 after all < 1248360724 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so nm < 1248360733 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was hard because you can't just inexact exact by adding something to i < 1248360735 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1248360746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well any float can be a rational < 1248360748 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not any real < 1248360752 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we don't have reals so it doesn't matter < 1248360774 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? i'm just talking about the conversions j has < 1248360780 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know them < 1248360791 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well, o. 1 → 314159r100000 < 1248360802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just the wossname < 1248360808 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :significand mantissa thingy < 1248360819 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1248360830 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i'm converting a float to a rational < 1248360832 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that help in making a double a rational? < 1248360838 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1248360839 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1248360842 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.14159 = 314159r100000 < 1248360846 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you could multiply xD < 1248360848 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is actually what we use for floating point thingy < 1248360856 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well mine uses base 10 which kinda sucks < 1248360859 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme do it as base 2 < 1248360864 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1248360868 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1248360869 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sec < 1248360886 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : #: o. 1 < 1248360886 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 1.14159 < 1248360888 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, #:. < 1248360894 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait i'm an idiot, that doesn't help < 1248360909 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: point is, the algorithm, stated fuzzily < 1248360915 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :working in decimal, take the dot place < 1248360920 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and like just multiply 2 < 1248360922 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then remove the dot < 1248360926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and divide 'em into a rational < 1248360932 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hard part is like, formulating this mathemagically < 1248360935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use a tostring function :D < 1248360978 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you mean INT_MAX+1? < 1248360985 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm no? < 1248360988 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :take the dot place, and multiply by two? < 1248360991 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : > Write a numeric constant with value 2147483648 (2^31) < 1248360991 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : > in the fewest characters. < 1248360994 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiply the number by two? < 1248360995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about that < 1248360998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: nonono, like < 1248361011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we're working in decimal < 1248361013 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.14159 < 1248361013 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 10000 < 1248361021 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that 10000 aligns with the 14159 < 1248361023 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is the same length < 1248361028 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then we remove the decimal place < 1248361029 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and divide em < 1248361036 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :314159r10000 < 1248361043 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically, do that but with base-2 instead of base-10 < 1248361048 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the doubles are base-2 based < 1248361051 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of base-10 based < 1248361070 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(things like 1%3) < 1248361074 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: geddit? < 1248361106 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right, modulo will get me the small digits just as well as binary and < 1248361109 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: no < 1248361154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1248361158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i'll write a paste explaining it < 1248361195 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1248361203 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just don't get why the rationals, it's an integer < 1248361231 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, btw is your nick related to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklo in any way? < 1248361243 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or just a coincidence) < 1248361327 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah it's | < 1248361330 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc < 1248361337 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: coincidence. < 1248361384 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay it's exact < 1248361400 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah 2^31 is okay < 1248361420 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it might be like the point, that that's not exact, and you need to do something weird. < 1248361439 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would've been kinda weird < 1248361480 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: the double to rational conversion algorithm: http://pastie.org/556420.txt?key=fsnc1cgevfykunm0dlgwq < 1248361495 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's obvious < 1248361497 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume you already know it < 1248361503 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe i expressed it wrong < 1248361517 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are five digits after the decimal point, so we take 10^5 = 100000 <<< how do you get the number of digits after decimal point? < 1248361543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: (a) that's your problem, (b) the maximum is 5 so it's always five < 1248361557 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 050000r100000 < 1248361557 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1r2 < 1248361563 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := 0.5 = 0.50000 < 1248361567 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maximum is 5? < 1248361570 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: sure < 1248361580 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.23456789 < 1248361580 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.23457 < 1248361586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might differ for 64 bit or whatever < 1248361598 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can get bit size from ! (foreign) < 1248361599 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prolly < 1248361601 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.14159265358979 is how much vb could do < 1248361610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at this point, oklopol starts hating J again :D < 1248361617 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: just never use doubles < 1248361634 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :write a function for entering things in decimally form as rationals < 1248361634 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1248361642 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 dec 14159 < 1248361649 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: anyway this was about knowing whether 2^31 is exact. < 1248361652 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's easy to figure out the bits < 1248361654 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ah < 1248361664 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2^31 < 1248361664 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.14748e9 < 1248361669 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.14748e9 != 2^31 < 1248361687 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i just checked and it is exact < 1248361704 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: dude, 2.14748e9 = 2147480000 < 1248361711 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1248361712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2^31 = 2147483648 < 1248361732 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what you meant by "maximum is 5" was that j only prints first 5 < 1248361735 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, that's true. < 1248361739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1248361746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it should print all of them dammit < 1248361751 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: anyway doubles are totally useless when you have rationals. < 1248361765 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they make more sense when you look at them < 1248361769 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they are faster < 1248361771 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's it < 1248361799 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's trivial to write (3 d 14159265) = pi approx as rational (for some values of trivial) < 1248361814 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's trivial to write dp (3 d 14159265) = 3,14159265 < 1248361815 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course rationals are as fast, asymptotically, if you round them a bit. < 1248361817 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every now and then < 1248361825 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also rationals are more elegant and less machine < 1248361830 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they can represent 1r3 < 1248361836 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas, y'know, doubles can't < 1248361840 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1248361842 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in conclusion rationals are fucking awesome and anyone using doubles sucks. < 1248361866 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ok they can represent 1r3 but the 1 they give is not really 1 < 1248361867 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1248361874 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's too machine :< < 1248361887 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doubles can represent 1 exactly, and they can't represent 1r3 < 1248361910 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but < 1248361910 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (1%3)*3 < 1248361911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1248361911 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my ... was because i have no idea what your point is, yes, rationals > doubles in range < 1248361914 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's a ... lame kind of 1%3 < 1248361920 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just rounding shit that makes it 1 < 1248361979 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, true < 1248362015 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one issue with j rationals is that you can't do (expr r expr) < 1248362017 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's syntax < 1248362018 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1248362034 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but % generally works on rationals so. < 1248362093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: lol look at the help page for d. < 1248362095 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"d." < 1248362152 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : in conclusion rationals are fucking awesome and anyone using doubles sucks. <-- what about single precision? < 1248362160 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION slaps AnMaster
< 1248362161 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, do you hate it as much? < 1248362199 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ? < 1248362200 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :singles are just doubles a few generations ago < 1248362206 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, heh < 1248362208 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1248362222 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay few generations was maybe a bit of an overestimate. < 1248362225 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I shall remind ehird about this next time he is using any program using 3D graphics. < 1248362240 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you AnMaster rationals are awesome < 1248362242 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly rendering 3D is a case of floating point calculations < 1248362245 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those use singles? aren't doubles faster generally < 1248362249 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1248362250 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1248362256 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, opengl can use both in theory iirc < 1248362285 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but singles are more common usually. You don't need the extra precision most of the time when rendering the environment or whatever in a game < 1248362313 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there are exceptions however) < 1248362320 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well right, for something where the calculations go on forever, you want the subset of reals you're using have bounded representations < 1248362338 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the algorithms get asymptotically slower < 1248362339 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(like z-buffer for long distances, I have seen single precision fuck up badly there.) < 1248362387 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course, if we're talking actual computers, you need doubles to actually render anything, because rationals are many times slower anyway < 1248362393 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, when there is a semi-transparent object in front of another object, close to each other, but quite far from the camera < 1248362405 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :z buffer? do you know what a z buffer is? < 1248362442 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, yes, used to be able to decide wich order to render objects should be rendered when they overlap < 1248362447 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the camera point of view < 1248362458 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless I mixed up the words < 1248362482 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, afaik it's exactly that < 1248362497 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's always cool to hear someone use a term i've only learned from dusty books < 1248362510 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, point was, the distance for the pixel was stored as a single, and the object was far away and had another object very close behind it < 1248362530 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i know what the issue is < 1248362535 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus due to precision issues they ended up flickering kindof < 1248362570 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, such problems are common in flightsims. Just look at the cockpit window of an aircraft at the other end of the airport. :) < 1248362591 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the yoke inside the window < 1248362686 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: wait d. help page? < 1248362692 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah < 1248362693 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god i stack today. < 1248362694 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the j vocab < 1248362701 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you stack today < 1248362734 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay looking < 1248362786 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about it? < 1248362829 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so concise and useless < 1248362830 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1248362833 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and has a bunch of examples < 1248362863 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@77-100-194-169.cable.ubr04.pres.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1248362897 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it useless? < 1248362905 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1248362911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't look like a derivative tho < 1248362947 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, okay, i guess some of the really general high order functions are kinda stupid, because j doesn't actually do any algebra, just special cases some stuff you might want to use it on < 1248362954 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also has inverse and shti < 1248362956 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shit < 1248362985 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but inverse is actually pretty cool, there's that one adverb that lifts a value with the function, performs another function on it, then unlifts it using the first one's inverse < 1248362991 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can supply an inverse for you functions < 1248363001 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can get pretty darn cool definitions for some sutff < 1248363003 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*stuff < 1248363016 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like multiplications is log -> add -> antilog < 1248363022 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like multiplications is log -> add -> antilog < 1248363023 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1248363026 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*multiplication < 1248363039 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but it can't really inversify < 1248363040 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just has a table < 1248363041 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1248363042 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1248363065 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it inverses some basic functions, and some types of combinations of them are inversible < 1248363072 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no, not in general. < 1248363083 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll have to supply hard obverses (as j calls them) yourself < 1248363098 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1248363117 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :functions can have all kinds of additional info hanging on them, the inverse is one of them < 1248363148 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i don't like that shit < 1248363150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so hacky < 1248363176 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd love it if you saw what obverses can do ;) < 1248363193 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can they make me toast < 1248363198 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like toast < 1248363205 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, it is pretty hacky, and i'm not sure i like the thing myself. < 1248363274 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :toast is good. < 1248363289 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Factual errors: When Kate is describing the specs of her machine she says, “It's a P6 chip. Triple the speed of the Pentium”. Dade then says, “Yeah. It's not just the chip, it has a PCI bus”. Kate says, “Indeed. RISC architecture is gonna change everything”. The P6 chip is a CISC design, not a RISC. Also, the Pentium has a PCI bus so there wouldn't be any reason to mention it.]] < 1248363293 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0113243/goofs < 1248363295 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :longest page evar < 1248363302 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Factual errors: In the scene when Acid is showing-off her laptop, they speak of the laptop having a processor called a P6 and a PCI bus. Further examination of this scene and another scene with them looking over the damaged code, the laptop that Acid-burn has is clearly a Macintosh Powerbook 280C (sub-notebook) made by Apple Computer Inc. This model does not have a PCI-bus, or a P6. It does have a Motorola 68030 33mhz CPU. ]] < 1248363306 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Factual errors: Kate's "insanely great" laptop is described as having a "28.8 bps" modem: a thousand times slower than a standard 28.8 kilobits per second one. ]] < 1248363311 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :28.8 bps? < 1248363312 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UPHILL < 1248363313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BOTH WAYS < 1248363331 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Revealing mistakes: When swimming in the rooftop pool at the end, Kate and Dade's ears are underwater as they talk to each other. They wouldn't be able to hear one another if their ears were submerged.]] < 1248363333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know the sad thing < 1248363336 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone watched it so many times < 1248363337 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just to compile this < 1248363375 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds awesome < 1248363479 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just hack the Gibson. < 1248363505 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A Gibson is a mainframe of some sort.) < 1248363556 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet the gibson had dual P6 processors < 1248363561 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and two pci buses < 1248363564 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, OISC < 1248363569 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's gonna change everything again < 1248363570 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's all this hacker talk right here < 1248363586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll have 32 megabytes of memory < 1248363634 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Urban dictionary meaning number 5: < 1248363635 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5. Hack the Gibson < 1248363635 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1248363635 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To Fuck a Dog in the anus < 1248363635 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eg. Me fucking your doberman would be to Hack the Gibson. < 1248363644 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1248363645 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1248363646 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1248363651 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a bit out-of-place compared to the other meanings. < 1248363654 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1248363656 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm gonna hack the dual-processor gibson < 1248363658 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has TWO ANUSES < 1248363824 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want a planet the size of the sun < 1248363828 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you imagine how awesome that would be < 1248363864 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would that be awesome exactly? < 1248363873 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: okay it's like < 1248363875 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could never < 1248363876 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever < 1248363878 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go all the way around < 1248363883 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there would continually be a mystery < 1248363887 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of planetelial proportions < 1248363887 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1248363890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the internet would be so lagged < 1248363894 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be freaky < 1248363894 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1248363897 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there'd be SO MUCH STUFF < 1248363898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you iamgine < 1248363900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be like < 1248363902 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you run out of stuff < 1248363903 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO PROBLEM < 1248363905 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go a bit further < 1248363907 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MORE STUFF < 1248363910 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dudei t'd be fucking rad. < 1248363914 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude it'd be fucking rad. < 1248363915 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's that much stuff on earth as well < 1248363920 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that much < 1248363925 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with earth you eventually go alllllllll the way around < 1248363928 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also not as much internet lag < 1248363930 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the sun you die before that < 1248363932 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and toooooons of internet lag < 1248363934 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :freeeeeeeeeaky < 1248363937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be fucking awesome. < 1248363962 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err i doubt it's that big < 1248363964 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1248363972 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no the sun is quite big :P < 1248363974 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :die before getting around it yourself? < 1248363978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah < 1248363991 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could never, ever run out of stuff < 1248363994 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that may be, also you'd die from gravity anyway, unless there's some scheme around that < 1248364002 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in use < 1248364006 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1248364011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just put an anti gravity machine in the core. < 1248364014 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but internets flow around it in a few secs. < 1248364021 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1248364024 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a few secs is everything < 1248364025 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eg an ps < 1248364026 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fps < 1248364035 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i really like super gravity < 1248364049 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything being crushed to an unimaginable degree and pummeled to the surface is just < 1248364050 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of < 1248364051 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome. < 1248364064 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does seem kinda pure an beautiful. < 1248364078 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would a glio planet be < 1248364084 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what i want a cube planet < 1248364092 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be a planet that is a cube < 1248364123 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like 8 perfect mountains < 1248364131 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: cubeular mountains? < 1248364137 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1248364238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: awesome < 1248364245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: would this planet be as big as the biggest sun < 1248364290 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i might prefer one where you can slide down the mountain without a fear in the world. < 1248364300 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i had a dream i was riding this motorcycle < 1248364306 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*where < 1248364311 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was pretty darn fast < 1248364314 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i loved it < 1248364328 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only i had the balls to actually ride one. < 1248364372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://noordering.wordpress.com/2009/07/23/exponentiation-types/ this is awesome < 1248364460 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that how they're always defined < 1248364469 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't care < 1248364470 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's beautiful < 1248364470 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1248364473 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's tetration < 1248364519 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know how multiplication is iterated addition, and exponentiation is iterated multiplication? < 1248364528 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tetration is iterated exponentiation. < 1248364531 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1248364535 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :way to read the 5 line backlog < 1248364541 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually 4 above "so" < 1248364561 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate reading. < 1248364563 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1248364759 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tetration, heh < 1248364779 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: http://noordering.wordpress.com/2009/07/23/exponentiation-types/ this is awesome is awesome < 1248365017 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaah < 1248365021 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just had an epiphany < 1248365023 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of < 1248365024 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of type systems < 1248365026 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and and things < 1248365116 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's wow < 1248365117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unified < 1248365124 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost < 1248365133 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay types. < 1248365139 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-37-161.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1248365139 0 :evenant!n=myndzi@70-58-88-38.tukw.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1248365139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no but < 1248365144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's dependent types of the equality < 1248365144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man < 1248365204 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like < 1248365212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you ask for trues < 1248365215 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the things < 1248365250 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never share epiphanies before you've washed them < 1248365265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're in spacet hough < 1248365313 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1248365313 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1248365313 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1248365314 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu < 1248365374 0 :GregorR-L!n=gregor@pal-163-053.itap.purdue.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1248365377 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1248365379 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool, I'm an op on #estoeric < 1248365386 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you're not < 1248365392 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nose! < 1248365405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least he doesn't show up as an op to me < 1248365419 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be a stealth op < 1248365422 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION slaps ehird and forces him to read :P
< 1248365436 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1248365438 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1248365438 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELLO IM HUMAN I CAN CORECT TYPOS WITH MY EIS < 1248365440 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1248365460 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE FINGERS NEED MORE TRAINING THOUGH < 1248365642 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now < 1248365643 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we have < 1248365647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :type addition < 1248365651 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is uh um < 1248365663 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(p+q) x=p x || q x < 1248365668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we need like || but True/False are like, types < 1248365672 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we have to um < 1248365677 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have a pattern match on typesb ut we can't < 1248365678 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so um < 1248365681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure how we would do || < 1248365682 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1248365714 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1248365715 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Either is generally considered something like that < 1248365719 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes < 1248365723 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just type, calculus, thingy < 1248365729 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with dependent types and sets as functions and types and < 1248365740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(p*q) x = p x && q x you would think but i'm not sure that works as like a tuple < 1248365745 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have to find a value that is both a p and a q < 1248365747 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it has an extra bottom in haskell < 1248365750 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmmmmmmm < 1248365762 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two extra bottoms < 1248365845 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it's categorical product, where you can use morphisms to turn it into the right type < 1248365851 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :///////////////what < 1248365860 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have (p,q) -> p and (p,q) -> q functions < 1248365863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so like what would it be with the and the is the < 1248365863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1248365870 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it' wouldn't be true that we return would it or would be m < 1248365873 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ybe the siatiscati < 1248365978 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lessee it's this stuff with cartesian closed categories. Bool is a category with two objects, False and True and exactly one morphism between everything except from True to False < 1248365996 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nononoono < 1248365997 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true is a type < 1248365998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo < 1248366000 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo < 1248366001 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true is a type < 1248366004 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(any distributive lattice or something like that) < 1248366008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also false is a a ///////////////////////////////////// wait am i thinking rightmaybe is it not < 1248366036 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: types correspond to objects when you do the cartesian closed category stuff, i believe < 1248366051 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :///////////////////////////////////////////////// I'M BASICALLY RIPPing this ideas from another system als oiamcrazy today. < 1248366116 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION probably doesn't remember this clearly enough to be of any help, if he ever did
< 1248366129 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mfkdfdfdfkdfkjdfjkdfjdfdfjdfkjdfjkfdjkdfjkdfjkdfkdfjkdfjkdfjkdfjkdfjkdfkjdfkjdfkjdfjdfjkdfjkdfdfkdfkdfkdfjkdfkjfddfkjdfjkdfkjfdjkdfjkdfjkdfkjdfjkdfjkdfkjdfkjdfjkdfkjdfjkfdjkdfjkdfkjdfkjdfkjfdjkdfjfdjkfdjkfdkjdfkjdfjkdfjkfdjkdfkjdfkj oerjan i could give you a link to where i done rip. < 1248366202 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sometimes i get the feeling you don't really understand math that well, just memorized tons of cool sentences < 1248366231 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: he'll publish you < 1248366233 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :into the bin < 1248366240 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh snapping fuck\ < 1248366251 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what bin < 1248366255 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin < 1248366260 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what bin < 1248366275 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MSACRO0 FICKING PHOTOGRAPHY < 1248366374 0 :fizzie!i=fis@83.150.124.63 JOIN :#esoteric < 1248366468 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: the vaguely recalled basic thing here is that the Curry-Howard isomorphism, which is between programs/types and proofs/theorems, can be extended with one more step, morphisms/objects in a suitable category. for the basic intuitionistic propositional logic this corresponds to the cartesian closed categories. i think. < 1248366510 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curry%E2%80%93Howard_correspondence#Curry.E2.80.93Howard.E2.80.93Lambek_correspondence < 1248366556 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can memorize that with no trouble < 1248366660 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well this is vague enough i almost accept the accusation :D < 1248366756 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: bitch what's that for < 1248366785 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've been mexcommunicated. < 1248366792 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mexfuck that < 1248366796 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to bitch or not to bitch, that's the question < 1248366864 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: deundismexcommunicate me < 1248366887 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nevars? < 1248366892 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MEXEVARS < 1248366893 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := NOW < 1248367388 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IWC >_< < 1248367394 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ^ < 1248367410 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what about it? < 1248367421 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't too bad < 1248367433 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i say it was? < 1248367441 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what does ">_<" mean < 1248367450 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then < 1248367467 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case, it means "that's MADNESS" < 1248367500 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh? I don't see what is so mad about it < 1248367522 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :link it already < 1248367537 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/ < 1248367574 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you won't understand it unless you followed the comic < 1248367582 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it quite depends on previous strips < 1248367590 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to know that that woman is supposed to be Jane Goodall at a younger age :D < 1248367600 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and that < 1248367610 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is jane goodall a famous person? < 1248367612 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's the minimum < 1248367614 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what about knowing about that guy and Steve < 1248367626 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, -_- < 1248367636 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1248367651 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that an "obviously"? < 1248367653 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. yes she is. and IWC portrays her almost as the exact opposite of the real one < 1248367664 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and who is this jane character < 1248367674 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the real world < 1248367685 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chimpanzee researcher < 1248367691 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :famous one too < 1248367695 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :famous for..? < 1248367707 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.janegoodall.org/ < 1248367714 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Goodall < 1248367718 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, damn you :OP < 1248367719 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P* < 1248367726 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah < 1248367730 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i can read a few lines < 1248367849 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@83.183.183.70 JOIN :#esoteric < 1248367860 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1248367871 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1248367877 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1248367888 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello ais523 < 1248367906 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you notice graue's question whether you do backups of the wiki? < 1248367909 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irritating. I burned a cd and checked the "verify after burning" option in k3 b < 1248367911 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k3b* < 1248367941 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it reported "failed"... I used dd to dump the cd to a file. checked it against the iso, exactly the same < 1248367948 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it works to boot with. < 1248367951 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ^ < 1248367956 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I wonder what happened there... < 1248368045 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::For esoteric programming, there doesn't have to be any reason why anyone should use anything. --[[User:Zzo38|Zzo38]] < 1248368051 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like zzo38 has the idea down right too < 1248368060 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I personally don't do backups < 1248368064 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although IIRC all the other admins do < 1248368079 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it turns out the wiki's low on backuppers, I may start < 1248368080 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ehird complained about that comment. Something about "uncofusing" the talk page or something < 1248368083 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug* < 1248368089 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unconfusing* < 1248368106 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: apparently graue's own backups started failing < 1248368120 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, too old tape? < 1248368160 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: don't ask me, i wasn't even present at the discussion < 1248368174 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the antonym is profusing < 1248368200 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: gibbering fnord? < 1248368226 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was about unconfusing < 1248368286 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reconfucius say! < 1248368439 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1248368501 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION grabs Esolang backup just in case
< 1248368539 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I'm checking Calamari's backup to make sure it works < 1248368543 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's good to have at least 2 working backups < 1248368608 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like the relevant information's there < 1248368608 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recently saw an old digital camera with a *floppy* in it. How strange. < 1248368668 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: floppies are what we used back in the day instead of dvd's and frisbees < 1248368737 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Observation: The diff between one day's SQL dump and the next is 66MB ... < 1248368741 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agrgh my hands are dirty -> < 1248368742 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One SQL dump is 66MB ... < 1248368748 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L, hah < 1248368750 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I conclude that keeping them differentially does not appear to work. < 1248368777 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L, is the previous one 0? < 1248368784 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or close to) < 1248368801 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... no, it's a full dump. < 1248368806 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then the next day's full dump. < 1248368889 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoah, wait ... < 1248368892 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The current dump is 2.8MB??? < 1248368900 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I must have got the screwed-up dump? < 1248368923 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Length: 662295 (647K) [application/x-bzip2] < 1248368925 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that ain't right. < 1248368926 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good question < 1248368942 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wiki dumps tend to be quite large < 1248368947 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the current dump is fekked. < 1248368956 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably a dump from when the DB was borkleborked. < 1248368966 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still contains all the info, though < 1248368978 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1248368988 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can it in only 2.8MB ... < 1248369151 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtualbox fails. It lists one CD drive. /dev/fd0 for use < 1248369154 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now what the hell < 1248369165 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is that even a cd < 1248369283 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a floppy CD < 1248369305 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it is a drop down box, so I can't even enter the right one < 1248369707 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet more fun in the SCO bankruptcy; it seems that one of the new companies who's trying to get involved has almost the same address and phone number as one of the ones who showed up earlier < 1248369712 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :differing in just the last few characters < 1248369725 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1248369742 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it is unlikely to be a coincidence < 1248369747 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brillant. < 1248369749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, duh < 1248370550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:02 ais523: also, I'm checking Calamari's backup to make sure it works < 1248370550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:02 ais523: it's good to have at least 2 working backups < 1248370552 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:03 ais523: looks like the relevant information's there < 1248370554 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1248370556 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that ws the issue < 1248370558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last backup was broken < 1248370565 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1248370571 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to contain the information, though, despite being broken < 1248370576 0 :jix_!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-114-122.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1248370583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it did < 1248370586 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't have a working mediawiki to try to undump it to < 1248370587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we had to rebuild a table < 1248370591 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1248370593 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by finding out the structure and shit < 1248370600 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the problem is that all backups only keep one < 1248370606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :part from GregorR-L's < 1248370622 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... maybe we should make an xml backup as well as the sql one? < 1248370647 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hg commit hoorah < 1248370696 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, wtf is with the backup :P < 1248370800 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, virtualbox doesn't simulate x86_64? < 1248370807 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a 64-bit host so... < 1248370845 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Software virtualization is not supported for 64-bit VMs." <-- sigh. Makes it useless for me < 1248370875 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: qemu? < 1248370914 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it supports 64-bit guests on 32-bit hosts for me < 1248370916 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, maybe. A pain to use though... I need to test some archlinux stuff in advance... < 1248370925 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, it's supposed to < 1248370928 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal, only if you have hardware virtualization support < 1248370932 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my cpu is too old for that < 1248370949 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhh < 1248370950 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1248370955 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't HW virtualize 64 bit on 32 bit < 1248370977 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes you can. Of course the CPU has to be 64-bit. Just the host OS doesn't need to me < 1248370978 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :be* < 1248371001 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1248371005 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need long mode, no? < 1248371035 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes but the kernel module for virtualbox would take care or changing to that temporarily. < 1248371043 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_x < 1248371047 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't temporarily change to long mode < 1248371049 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's permanent < 1248371052 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, um no < 1248371058 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1248371061 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vmware supports it too btw < 1248371075 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it doesn't use VT-x/AMD-V < 1248371093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean it doesn't do the whole thing i'm talking about < 1248371104 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I'm not sure what you are talking about < 1248371127 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_x < 1248371131 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I'm talking about x86_64 OS running under virtualbox or vmware with a 32-bit host but a 64-bit *capable* CPU < 1248371140 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is perfectly possible < 1248371150 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for virtualbox you also need VT-x/AMD-V however < 1248371168 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure only vmware does that. < 1248371192 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1248371193 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I have the virtualbox documentation open < 1248371252 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, http://pastebin.ca/1504521 < 1248371277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1248371315 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't link you to it, for some reason it decided to use some shitty chm file + kchmviewer to view the docs in < 1248371319 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is quite wtf < 1248371331 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably, it was originally windows only < 1248371356 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtualbox you mean? Hm ok < 1248371358 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1248371558 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. If you google "recursion", Google returns "Did you mean: /Recursion/". < 1248371558 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1248371566 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, old... < 1248371572 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in < 1248371577 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mentioned previously today < 1248372049 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh it even works in norwegian... < 1248372058 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is today recursion day? < 1248372064 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a ton of recursion "jokes" on reddit < 1248372075 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, recursion's just awesome. < 1248372080 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not < 1248372082 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's low-level < 1248372093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :recursion is the functional equivalent of goto < 1248372100 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine, fine, so you want corecursion. < 1248372105 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nnnnnnnnnnnnnnno. < 1248372122 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: a) recursion is the functional equivalent of goto; b) recursion is awesome anyway < 1248372128 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Recursion" as a concept encompasses things like recursive datatypes < 1248372130 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but goto is awesome too. < 1248372134 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1248372135 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that's only tail recursion... < 1248372144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i meant in low-levelness. < 1248372601 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just as a data point; it does work in the Finnish version too. < 1248372707 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean like rekursio? < 1248372710 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1248372722 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why don't we have a real term for that < 1248372732 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like itseiskutsu < 1248372984 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure Icelandic has their own word; they're so against loanwords. < 1248373039 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much every language uses something "robot"-sounding for, well, robots; in Icelandic it's "þjarki". Okay, so there are a couple of other exceptions in http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/robot too but still. < 1248373074 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just know they have their own for tv, but so does german, so < 1248373113 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't quite be sure what the Bengali রোবট sounds like. < 1248373125 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1248373128 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm "rekursio" does not work from norwegian google < 1248373155 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it rekursion in nor? < 1248373161 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rekursjon < 1248373173 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you do that sorta thing < 1248373178 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"rekursio" and "recursion" both work for the Fi google; "rekursjon" doesn't. Well, it suggests "rekursion". < 1248373191 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does rekursion do < 1248373194 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's rekursion? < 1248373209 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :German, it seems. < 1248373213 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1248373216 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have the thingy on fi: < 1248373219 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought swedish < 1248373242 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could be Swedish too, the top-ten hits seem rather German though. < 1248373254 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have the correction on fi: < 1248373255 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rekursion < 1248373291 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, no. Just the Finnish "rekursio" and the English "recursion" seem to have the self-as-suggestion thing. < 1248373298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kay < 1248373305 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess cause forners google in english a lot < 1248373321 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah us does that < 1248373378 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really google in finnish at all < 1248373464 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8th result (seen from here) for Finnish "rekursio" in .com Google (why didn't I just say google.com?) is one of those Finnish systems which collect links from IRC channels, stating that http://www.google.fi/search?q=rekursio was mentioned 4 hours ago in an "#entropy" channel at IRCnet. How recursive. < 1248373527 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that link was said < 1248373529 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1248373533 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought just the word recursino < 1248373535 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*recursion < 1248373550 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would've been more interesting < 1248373606 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: no, recursive would have been the "#esoteric" channel at Freenode, silly. < 1248373695 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah the recursino, the anti-elementary particle < 1248373711 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would've been significantly less interesting < 1248373732 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think about it, a finnish channel with people talking about recursion < 1248373736 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a mindfuck < 1248373779 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ontology was last said in this room 0 seconds ago < 1248373795 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the recursino consists, of course, of two recursinos, a positron, and a left quark. < 1248373837 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: minus two recursinos, duh < 1248373842 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's recursi-NO < 1248373864 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: rubbish, -ino is a common suffix for elementary particles < 1248373872 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1248373873 0 :augur_!n=augur@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1248373880 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that channel is for the electronic-music-themed sub-association-thing of the student union of my university, actually. I don't think they speak about recursion much. < 1248373881 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you said it was an anti-elementary particle < 1248373887 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but OK < 1248373893 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the positron and left quark, part of the joke, random, or inevitability because of some property of particles? < 1248373894 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. maybe it should be recursi, then. < 1248373898 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1248373900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a recursino is two recursinos and a strange quark. < 1248373906 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all, there's nothing stranger than recursion < 1248373908 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's like ` < 1248373916 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :combining the two recursinos in one < 1248373919 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1248373920 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: the left quark is essential. < 1248373937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1248373940 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the strange quark. < 1248373940 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: the left quark is also pretty strange < 1248373950 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should learn that stuff < 1248373951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but the strange quark lets you know it's strange < 1248373967 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also left quarks don't actually exist < 1248373977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to wikipedia at least :P < 1248373996 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: DUH < 1248374000 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1248374003 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in conclusion, recursino = {recursino, recursino, strange quark} < 1248374020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm doesn't that give us infinite energy? < 1248374022 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BOOOORING < 1248374025 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1248374031 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really < 1248374031 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not < 1248374037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's infinite ... stuff < 1248374053 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but the extra energy is released as binding energy < 1248374062 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1248374075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :recursino = {recursino, recursino, tachyon} < 1248374078 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not :D < 1248374091 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what would we need to do to give it infinite energy? < 1248374133 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: maybe some hilbert hotel trick with the constituents? < 1248374151 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1248374153 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hilbert hotel doesn't exist according to wikipedia < 1248374166 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i still don't see why you can't just use all the extra quarks/tachyons/whatever < 1248374170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :descending through the recursinos < 1248374213 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: sure, but you use hilbert's hotel trick to get them out without leaving holes < 1248374219 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1248374226 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that doesn't require changing the recursino does it? < 1248374237 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't think so < 1248374257 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: tachyons would pose a bit of weirdness though wouldn't they < 1248374266 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :having to put the energy BACK in or something :D < 1248374323 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a bit beyond my expertise to answer < 1248374473 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we may note that if a left quark decays to a strange quark and an electron, then those two compositions of the recursino may be equivalent < 1248374501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine didn't have an electron < 1248374519 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine had an extra positron, duh < 1248374523 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1248374524 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :recursino = {recursino, strange quark} < 1248374531 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑ isn't that the minimum required for infinite energy < 1248374531 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1248374537 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you need two recursinos for the hilbert trick < 1248374547 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not < 1248374571 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Fine, fine, so you want corecursion. <-- ? < 1248374580 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that < 1248374604 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atm I'm on a handheld, so browser is not an easy option! < 1248374606 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if you had read about corecursion, you would know < 1248374664 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1248374690 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : what's rekursion?<-- probably Swedish too. But I seldom talk about programming in Swedish, so wouldn't know < 1248374779 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Notice that corecursion creates (potentially infinite) codata, whereas ordinary recursion analyses (necessarily finite) data." < 1248374805 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fibs = 0 : 1 : zipWith (+) fibs (tail fibs) < 1248374820 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is an example of corecursion in haskell < 1248374837 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Delicious. < 1248376496 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1248376688 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, heh < 1248376796 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, btw did you order that linux system yet? < 1248376802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1248376814 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, preoccupied? < 1248376818 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1248376822 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kay < 1248376852 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is waiting for arch to install under qemu
< 1248376875 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atm it is generating the damn initcpio thingy < 1248376941 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh new holiday logo at google... again only on search results page yet. < 1248376958 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://img0.gmodules.com/logos/comic-con09_res.gif < 1248376966 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what that is supposed to be
< 1248376973 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, any idea= < 1248376975 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/=/?/ < 1248377009 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1248377039 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i seem to recognize some superheroes < 1248377043 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, comic-con 09 is going on, so... < 1248377049 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1248377050 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hm... < 1248377055 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guessed a con of some kind form the url < 1248377055 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, *googles that* < 1248377057 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ginside.com/content/2009/07/comics-comicon-google-logo.jpg has a bigger picture. < 1248377066 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know where it came from.) < 1248377078 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, where what came from? < 1248377079 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :batman, green lantern < 1248377094 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder woman is there too. < 1248377139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gets an urge to play super mario bros 1
< 1248377140 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :robin i think < 1248377160 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The small figure in the g hook? < 1248377160 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and elastic man, if that's right in english < 1248377183 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all DC heroes < 1248377190 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1248377197 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, did you say arch on lvm was a bit tricky or whatever? I don't remember < 1248377209 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't tricky once i set the right option in the kernel thing < 1248377223 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It seems to be Plastic Man in English. < 1248377254 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well it seems it generated an /etc/fstab missing the root file system (which is on lvm...)( < 1248377257 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i recall they both exist, and are slightly different... < 1248377259 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/($// < 1248377261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION realises he's terrible at smb 1
< 1248377272 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why not use cifs instead? < 1248377276 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: why are you partitioning such a small drive btw < 1248377279 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though that sucks too < 1248377284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just asking for a world of pain < 1248377287 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what small drive? < 1248377293 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the laptop i assume we're talking about < 1248377314 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well, there's Elongated Man and Plastic Man who I can find references to. < 1248377319 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I don't have the laptop yet... It will arrive on Monday or Thusday... But I'm testing something out... < 1248377329 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes elastic -> elongated < 1248377331 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just saying that LVM isn't a good path there because partitioning isn't < 1248377338 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I need to partition it anyway: /boot swap / at minimum < 1248377341 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elastic Man in wikipedia redirects to Elongated Man; "he only created the character because he didn't realize DC Comics had acquired Plastic Man in 1956". < 1248377351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: /boot doesn't need a partition < 1248377352 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and I want encrypted /home anyway < 1248377357 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and don't you have 4gb of ram in that thing anyway < 1248377360 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes it does, since I'm going for ext4 < 1248377365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and grub can't handle it < 1248377367 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1248377382 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, as for ram, not by default no. But I ordered extra ram < 1248377391 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to upgrade the 2 GB to 4 GB < 1248377410 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have the 1680x1050 display? < 1248377443 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, don't remember numbers of the top of my head, but it was same as what you suggested for resolution anyway < 1248377452 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now I'm busy < 1248377469 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you'll finally appreciate subpixel antialiasing, you uncouth... thing. < 1248377567 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be an smb 1 clone where you can just jump < 1248377570 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're always going right < 1248377590 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i conclude that google picture is closest to plastic man, though < 1248377684 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love J < 1248377685 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :J is awesome < 1248377689 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortunately, as it seems his suit design is more stable than that of the other guy < 1248377768 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1248377770 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pissing me off already < 1248377775 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, as I said about SMB... why not use CIFS? SMB is marked as deprecated in the kernel iirc... < 1248377778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : r2d =: monad define < 1248377778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y + (o.1) - (o.1) < 1248377780 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1248377782 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should totally not be neccessary :P < 1248377787 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Har har you are so funny I meant super mario brothers. < 1248377795 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh right < 1248377804 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that SMB < 1248377815 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :±_± < 1248377816 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to think of a name for a platformer that's CIFS for short.
< 1248377838 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE Fast Shooter < 1248377842 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works better if you imagine it's japanese. < 1248377850 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why is that? < 1248377865 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE高速シューター < 1248377874 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: They all seem to have English phrases lumped in with their japanese. < 1248377878 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Often UPPERCASE. < 1248377880 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I assume you either copied those or made them up? < 1248377885 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google translate. < 1248377886 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the letters there < 1248377887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1248377888 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1248377890 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: coming in from space < 1248377894 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It translates to "CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE fast shooter". < 1248377897 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, that's good. < 1248377907 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I want to make CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE高速シューター. < 1248377924 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, actually google could translate to some other meaning of fast or shooter < 1248377931 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1248377949 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I translated it back. < 1248377951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it seems quite likely. < 1248377969 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and? A language could have two different words for fast as in "speed" or fast as in "time" < 1248377979 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so could your mom but I don't make a big deal of it < 1248377991 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: chimpanzee investigators FROM SPACE < 1248378002 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :D < 1248378009 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: YES. < 1248378017 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"snabbt" would work for both in Swedish. But "fort" would be more idiomatic about speed and "kvickt" is probably better about time... < 1248378036 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't say using them in the other way is definitely wrong, just doesn't feel quite as right < 1248378068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :----------------------------------- < 1248378068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| Chimpanzee Investigators | < 1248378070 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| ...FROM SPACE! | < 1248378072 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :----------------------------------- < 1248378093 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG < 1248378096 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WE MUST MAKE THIS < 1248378108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm imagining it being a Lucas Arts-style adventure game. < 1248378109 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And post a bunch of things about CIFS being better than SMB. < 1248378113 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are chimpanzees < 1248378115 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you come from space < 1248378119 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are investigating a crime by a human < 1248378122 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :COMMITTED ON YOUR PLANET < 1248378128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :insert planet of the apes references to taste < 1248378149 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i note you solved the slight ambiguity in my originally intended way < 1248378161 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1248378166 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other way didn't even occur to me < 1248378169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :until now < 1248378256 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you can't do infinite lists in J can you < 1248378259 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what other way? < 1248378265 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sounds familiar.... < 1248378270 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plan 9 reference? < 1248378272 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: things that investigate chimpanzees < 1248378272 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: not directly no < 1248378275 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to chimpanzees that investigate < 1248378278 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: "not directly"? < 1248378280 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean i don't know how at least < 1248378287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm i guess you could box some code of how to generate the rest < 1248378292 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the first element < 1248378295 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, make it "FROM OUTER SPACE" < 1248378296 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: well you can do a retarded sort of oo, so technically it's possible < 1248378299 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is a Plan9 reference too < 1248378306 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ugh apart from that < 1248378311 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's... not a plan 9 reference < 1248378313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just a cliche < 1248378326 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the acronym was predetermined < 1248378328 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, Well true < 1248378342 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking humans who investigate chimpanzees, but this is admittedly better. < 1248378353 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: humans from... space? < 1248378354 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1248378364 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :things that annoy me: J tries to coerce towards doubles, not rationals < 1248378365 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're from space if the chimpanzee planet isn't Earth :P < 1248378373 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1r2,%11 = 0.5 0.0909091 < 1248378394 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1r3,%11 = 0.333333 0.0909091 < 1248378397 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuckin' sux < 1248378399 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: lol < 1248378461 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should end with a huge WTF < 1248378461 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1248378475 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the alien race are actually descendents of the chimpanzees < 1248378477 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the other way around < 1248378485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this after an inevitable love interest, thus giving extra yuks) < 1248378486 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and uh < 1248378488 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're all going to di < 1248378489 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1248378491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of something < 1248378492 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR MAYBE IT'S ALL A DREAM < 1248378492 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1248378495 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: WHOA < 1248378497 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good one man < 1248378501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1248378502 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT A MAJOR TWIST WOULD THAT BE < 1248378514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :twists suck < 1248378522 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just _sure_ jane goodall is involved somehow. < 1248378526 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i prefer actually-we-just-didn't-tell-you-this-ists < 1248378534 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ! < 1248378534 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jane goodall is actually a chimp < 1248378613 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1248378624 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: maybe CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE高速シューター could be a subgame; part of a broken-down arcade < 1248378630 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with games like… uh… < 1248378635 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Snot Custard Warrior < 1248378645 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catchphrase: "S'not custard... it's SNOT!" < 1248378655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm so lame < 1248378656 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love being lame < 1248378664 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moving is for idiots < 1248378672 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahaha geddit < 1248378758 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a stupid twist: < 1248378775 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the end you wake up, your vision unblurs and you see that you're surrounded by (human) doctors. < 1248378779 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blah blah blah something about a coma. < 1248378789 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it goes to a 3rd person view ... and you're still a chimpanzee! < 1248378796 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then < 1248378805 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you go back to the controlling < 1248378806 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1248378811 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to swipe off the humans < 1248378812 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :revealing < 1248378819 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE PREVIOUSLY-UNMENTIONED ANTAGONISTS < 1248378840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they explain their plan to you—of course—and throw you out the window. LOOK OUT FOR CHIMPANZEE INVESTIGATORS FROM SPACE 2: ELECTRIC BOOGALOO < 1248378846 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ONLY FROM ESOTERIC SOFTWARE < 1248378858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah blah mail order blah blah 20 bucks blah blah < 1248378866 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOW. < 1248378983 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, btw I tried 32-bit arch under virtualbox... Got hit by this bug: http://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/2149 < 1248379339 0 :GregorR-L_!n=gregor@pal-163-082.itap.purdue.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1248379414 0 :GregorR-L_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jul 23 14:53:09 Then it goes to a 3rd person view ... and you're still a chimpanzee! < 1248379414 0 :GregorR-L_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Oh and btw those guys are the chimpanzee investigators. < 1248379414 0 :GregorR-L_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Thought that would be clear but rereading maybe it's not :P < 1248379425 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L, ? < 1248379425 0 :GregorR-L_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got d/c'd before I could finish my twist. < 1248379427 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :last we saw was: < 1248379431 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L_: Oh, ha. < 1248379433 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes it was that < 1248379436 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L_: Here's how I continued: < 1248379444 0 :GregorR-L_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I have a log < 1248379445 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:53 GregorR-L: Then it goes to a 3rd person view ... and you're still a chimpanzee! < 1248379445 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:53 ehird: and then < 1248379446 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:53 ehird: you go back to the controlling < 1248379447 0 :GregorR-L_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1248379448 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:53 ehird: and < 1248379450 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:53 ehird: you have to swipe off the humans < 1248379452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:53 ehird: revealing < 1248379454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:53 ehird: THE PREVIOUSLY-UNMENTIONED ANTAGONISTS < 1248379456 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:54 ehird: they explain their plan to you—of course—and throw you out the window. LOOK OUT FOR CHIMPANZEE INVESTIGATORS FROM SPACE 2: ELECTRIC BOOGALOO < 1248379459 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:54 ehird: ONLY FROM ESOTERIC SOFTWARE < 1248379461 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:54 ehird: blah blah mail order blah blah 20 bucks blah blah < 1248379463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:54 ehird: WOW. < 1248379465 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can be tied into yours easily < 1248379467 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1248379469 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns out the chimpanzee investigators are the bad guys hur hur < 1248379471 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man i'm awesome at terrible twists < 1248379481 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L, great ability for a sequel there... < 1248379484 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1248379486 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :posibility* < 1248379494 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibility* < 1248379520 0 :GregorR-L_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*possessability < 1248379526 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that too < 1248379545 0 :GregorR-L_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1248379552 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L_: rate my continuation of the twist on a scale of -10 to 0 < 1248379591 0 :GregorR-L_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't QUITE mesh with mine, since, y'know, why are the chimpanzee investigators throwing out a perfectly good chimpanzee? < 1248379595 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: 3i - 16 < 1248379610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L_: hmm true < 1248379613 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well we can amend that part < 1248379615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he escapes < 1248379618 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of being thrown out < 1248379620 0 :GregorR-L_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perfect! < 1248379625 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO < 1248379626 0 :GregorR-L_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is now a perfect ... 0? < 1248379631 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sequel is about escaping < 1248379631 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes! < 1248379632 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1248379632 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L_: to investigate its behavior in the WILD, duh < 1248379633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A perfect 0. < 1248379634 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no. < 1248379636 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :escaping is easy. < 1248379638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a building. < 1248379639 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1248379641 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm ok < 1248379644 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: haha < 1248379646 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1248379817 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1248380012 0 :GregorR-L_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :GregorR-L < 1248381022 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, btw the reason I want to use lvm is simple: 1) I want ext4, so /boot must be separate anyway 2) I want encrypted /home but not anything else encrypted. 3) I don't know how large /home and how large / I will need... So I'm going for lvm to be able to resize as I need it. < 1248381042 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I'm about to test is that resizing work when encryption is used < 1248381158 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1248381362 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Strictly speaking, the encryption isn't through LVM. < 1248381371 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, of course < 1248381389 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I meant was encrypting an LVM lv < 1248381404 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you could still grow that lv (and the file system inside it) then < 1248381411 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I'm still not sure about < 1248381419 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should work just fine, assuming that the dm-crypt volume is growable. < 1248381437 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If not, you'll need to make another dm-crypt volume and have your logical volume on two physical volumes. < 1248381509 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, IDEA (lower layer first): PV - VG - LV:/home - cryptsetup-luks - /dev/encrypted-home - /home < 1248381538 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so question is, if the layer LV grows, can the cryptsetup layer grow (and, of course, the file system in it) < 1248381563 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only question with that is cryptsetup's capabilities. < 1248381570 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, indeed < 1248381601 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it has a resize option, yet it seems some people indicate it only works for plain volumes, not LUKS ones < 1248381646 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, what you can do is grow the logical volume, then grow the encrypted volume, then grow the filesystem. < 1248381652 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see no reason why that wouldn't work... < 1248381661 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, see top of http://www.saout.de/tikiwiki/tiki-index.php?page=ResizeLUKSPartitions < 1248381670 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I wonder if it will work < 1248381677 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god i love reading j < 1248381679 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atm trying to set up a volume to test with < 1248382195 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1248382245 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++0x is dead, long live C++1x. < 1248382248 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's official now!) < 1248382336 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1248382421 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++0xa, C++0x for short < 1248382477 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok resize works as expected < 1248382477 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1248382498 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION deletes the vm now that he is done with it...
< 1248382522 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1248382771 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, would have been a nice retcon < 1248382797 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway isn't it a case of second system syndrome? < 1248382820 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ itself is, C++0x not so much < 1248382822 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.. second *standard* one < 1248382827 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well yeah < 1248382833 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so third system then < 1248382834 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wanted to chip in with third, there
< 1248382855 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I wanted to say that! < 1248382856 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1248382880 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well why didn't you, then < 1248382897 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hah you know what I mean < 1248382918 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wink wink, nudge nudge < 1248382954 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nudge? < 1248383000 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nudge_Nudge < 1248383782 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sketch is nice < 1248384032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:41 oklopol: god i love reading j < 1248384033 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ditto < 1248384408 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except when it takes 20 minutes and i realize i must not perfectly understand the parsing < 1248384419 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fucking adverbs < 1248384421 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asd < 1248384424 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but usually < 1248384448 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what code are you reading, i just love to see new j code < 1248384467 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i generally just read the labs, still plenty of unread material there < 1248384486 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the labs are too linear for me. < 1248384502 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :understandable < 1248384550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean i don't feel like i'm being taught hte language < 1248384561 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel more like i'm being dictated marketspeak of how good the language is < 1248384568 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1248384581 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they aren't very good learning material < 1248384603 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and it isn't just dictating how good the language is < 1248384612 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's making ME participate, in rigidly defined ways < 1248384612 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly because it's tons of work to actually read the sample code, because it's always 50% completely new things the labs don't explain < 1248384673 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i learn best from books, should probably buy a j one < 1248384698 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: most of the books are in the j docs < 1248384701 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should write your own < 1248384728 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :call it "j is kind of like a rabbit" or somehting < 1248384732 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and make it an extended metaphor about rabbits < 1248384747 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a good idea < 1248384759 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1248384769 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"% is like a rabbit's ears. it divides numbers." < 1248384781 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1248384788 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :m&v y is defined as m v y < 1248384791 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use of the bond conjunction is often called Currying in honor of Haskell Curry. < 1248384806 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get it. < 1248384806 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell Curry was a rabbit < 1248384815 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: (m&v) y = m v y < 1248384819 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo =: m & v < 1248384821 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo y < 1248384823 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :→ < 1248384824 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it currying? < 1248384825 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :m v y < 1248384827 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: oh < 1248384830 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1248384831 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not < 1248384833 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's partial application < 1248384840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but non-functional programmers often call partial application currying < 1248384850 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though currying is just making al lfunctions one-argument, which SUPPORTS partial application inherently < 1248384858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the uncouth masses do not realise this, oh no < 1248384860 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh lol the other meaning of & < 1248384865 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1248384868 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1248384870 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ur dumb < 1248384904 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can see how partial application is kinda currying, but & is also a synonym for @ < 1248384908 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking that < 1248385008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i don't think @ = & < 1248385019 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in general < 1248385020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, the docs don't mention it < 1248385053 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(+:&-) 5 < 1248385054 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_10 < 1248385054 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(+:@-) 5 < 1248385054 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_10 < 1248385061 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :used with two functions, it's the same thing < 1248385065 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :monadically < 1248385093 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i dunno about ranks, @ forces same rank, i don't know what & does with it < 1248385100 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's just j details < 1248385115 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you mean jetails < 1248385122 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD < 1248385137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The closest approach to Uranus occurred on January 24, 1986," < 1248385139 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those poor ailing jets < 1248385139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :— Wikipedia < 1248385553 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1248386489 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, would you consider it insane designing your own initramfs from scratch? < 1248386499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1248386502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great! < 1248386513 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it's like LFS... but even better < 1248386516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you know, I think the university might want you to do other things than constantly rewrite your computer < 1248386534 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I plan to do this before... < 1248386552 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, until it needs changing. < 1248386568 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, still I can do it in a VM just for fun, can't I? < 1248386584 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes. I mean, I don't think it's physically impossible or anything. < 1248386594 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, of course not < 1248386652 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Initramfs <-- I love you gentoo wiki < 1248386679 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes gentoo has a tool if you don't want to mess with kernel. called gen-kernel or something like that < 1248386680 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1248386696 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc there is even another way to create an initramfs if you want to < 1248386699 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this is even better < 1248386890 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :genkernel. < 1248386897 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Genkernel is pretty awesome. < 1248386918 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, is it? I avoid initramfs whenever I can < 1248386922 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though I still have it do menuconfig, it creates really nice initramfs's) < 1248386928 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I much prefer having exactly the drivers I need! < 1248386939 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got root on LVM. < 1248386956 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yes that is what I'm going for on the laptop, thus I'm checking this out < 1248386969 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: did you install ksplice? < 1248386976 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope :P < 1248386997 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the initramfs's (argh, "initrds" is so much simpler to say!) created by the arch linux system for doing that tends to be rather bloated < 1248386998 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, ^ < 1248386999 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfft < 1248387011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: initramfses < 1248387012 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1248387015 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and creating a minimal one should be trivial... < 1248387022 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the drivers will be in kernel anyway < 1248387024 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :initramfs's doesn't make sense, and it would be initramfs' anyway < 1248387027 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I always do custom kernel < 1248387043 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what about the initramfses' cars < 1248387051 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just a grammatical example) < 1248387052 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: genkernel can be configured not to have any modules in the initramfs. < 1248387056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, that's valid < 1248387062 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I'm NOT going to do gentoo on the laptop < 1248387065 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :initramfs's didn't make sense in THAT CONTEXT < 1248387066 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so highly irrelevant < 1248387071 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, all it has then is busybox and LVM and such. < 1248387071 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1248387093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know, if I got a laptop for a utilitarian purpose, I'd probably just stick stock Ubuntu on it. < 1248387097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'all crazy fuckers. < 1248387113 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, mine will have busybox and lvm.static I guess. no need for cryptsetup since that is for /home only < 1248387119 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I've got a system I don't want to fuck with much, I stick Debian on it. < 1248387129 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I guess I need mount too < 1248387133 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but busybox have it iirc < 1248387136 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jhas* < 1248387138 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has* < 1248387142 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i'd just pick ubuntu cuz the install's quicker/easier and the gui integration is nicer < 1248387144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but really < 1248387149 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking with initramfs? < 1248387159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait hm < 1248387165 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I don't fuck with initramfs, though. < 1248387167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since lvm creates dynamic devices < 1248387172 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :won't I need some replacement for udev? < 1248387174 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: you're san*er* then :P < 1248387178 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the mdev thingy in busybox? < 1248387183 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: why not use udev < 1248387186 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just happen to know that genkernel lets you configure how it makes the initramfs if needed. < 1248387194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, on a initramfs? You must be insane < 1248387199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*an < 1248387217 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(AnMaster: *an, that is) < 1248387234 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# qlist udev | wc -l < 1248387234 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :83 < 1248387251 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus < 1248387255 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it needs lot of libraries < 1248387262 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a initramfs you don't want much < 1248387264 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I only run Gentoo on my desktop because I want to fiddle with some things. If it weren't for that, I'd be running Debian. < 1248387268 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even know what you're doing but it's probably not even needed since i don't see any other distro having a problem with it < 1248387276 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: hey now, debian's pretty fiddleable < 1248387279 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what? < 1248387289 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i don't even know what or why you're doing whatever it is your doing < 1248387294 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :USE is more-so. < 1248387315 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I could use the initramfs generation script from arch linux. But it generates very slow booting initramfses < 1248387319 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I checked with/without < 1248387322 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on phoenix < 1248387331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :30 seconds vs. 14 seconds booting time? < 1248387335 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But anyways, yeah. There's no freaking sense in making a custom initramfs when a normal one would work just fine. < 1248387335 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: < 1248387337 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody turns off laptops < 1248387344 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you close the top, which suspends to ram and then disk < 1248387361 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"and then"? < 1248387362 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y'know, so that it takes 5-10 seconds to sit down and use as opposed to 30 < 1248387365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you do that < 1248387380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: windows, ubuntu and os x do it by default < 1248387384 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well right < 1248387387 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, but HOW < 1248387389 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, acpid? < 1248387389 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hybrid S2 suspend magic thingy #555// initram < 1248387391 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1248387394 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try the google < 1248387419 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, googling for what? < 1248387430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"suspend on close laptop gentoo" < 1248387435 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because gentoo is the most popular DIY distro) < 1248387438 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you'll get the best results) < 1248387455 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well that is easy... What I meant was... how do you do the "magic change to disk suspending some minutes later" < 1248387466 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's part of the suspend/resume suite thing < 1248387472 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ram, disk and hybrid < 1248387474 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just do hybrid < 1248387479 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it stays on until it persists it all to ram < 1248387482 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1248387483 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to disk < 1248387484 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then turns off completely < 1248387490 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1248387494 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't do a total shutdown < 1248387494 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err? < 1248387498 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it goes right back in when you open it up < 1248387500 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it uses 0 power < 1248387514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: urgh, it's s2_suspend -hybrid or something < 1248387516 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Right, it suspends to swap. < 1248387521 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, isn't the point of suspend to disk that it is total shutdown? I used suspend to disk on desktops... < 1248387522 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the same thing that does suspend/resumes normally < 1248387526 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it IS < 1248387529 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't go back to the bios < 1248387529 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC < 1248387531 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, you know < 1248387533 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be slow < 1248387536 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and I even unplugged the computer in between < 1248387539 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what it does, but it does totally turn off < 1248387546 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that when you start it up again, magic happens < 1248387549 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes it did. Just BIOS didn't show the usual booting screen < 1248387549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you go straight back to the OS < 1248387551 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afterwards < 1248387559 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well, it didn't load the kernel or anything either afaik < 1248387560 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it said "resuming" instead < 1248387562 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it takes like 5 seconds total < 1248387567 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe 10 < 1248387569 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1248387610 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, according to this: http://www.gentoo.org/images/energy-budget.png we should go back to using lamps and switches to poke the registers... < 1248387615 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of displays < 1248387628 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, we should just use OLEDs < 1248387645 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. What about their lifetime though? < 1248387652 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have they fixed that yet < 1248387652 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they last longer than LCDs. < 1248387655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in new research < 1248387658 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: also, it doesn't matter, really < 1248387659 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah good < 1248387664 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :laptops are the biggest computer market < 1248387666 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*waits for it to become common in laptops* < 1248387668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the standard laptop replace time is 2-3 years < 1248387682 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not mine. I'm not going to replace it that quickly < 1248387682 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, <3 OLEDs. black is really black, awesome colours, excellent backlight and tiny power usag < 1248387682 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1248387686 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be waseful < 1248387689 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasteful* < 1248387707 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, black is really black <--- didn't you say constrast didn't matter that much? < 1248387712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't < 1248387718 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but actual black on current displays < 1248387721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still has a bit of backlight < 1248387733 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, not "that much"; at all. it doesn't matter one jot because you can't get displays low enough to matter) < 1248387743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, with OLEDs, black truly has no light < 1248387750 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also, colours can still be improved with the backlight < 1248387755 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which OLEDs, of course, do < 1248387761 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there's no "backlight" < 1248387777 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and of course you can make bendable OLED displays, transparent OLED displays and they're all super, super light < 1248387810 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how bendable? As in folding it? < 1248387816 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1248387820 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and putting something heavy on top of the fold? < 1248387822 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it won't stay folded, probably < 1248387825 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and still have it working? < 1248387830 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: erm, unlikely < 1248387834 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can take two ends and pinch them together < 1248387837 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hold it like that indefinitely < 1248387845 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and flattern out the fold? < 1248387853 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't do that btw < 1248387858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if you get it really flat the bit at the bend will probably fuck up < 1248387865 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and any great weight is probably gonna damage it < 1248387871 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they're durable < 1248387874 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so you can't store them folded easily < 1248387875 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1248387884 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1248387884 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the point of making them fold then! < 1248387888 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*haha < 1248387891 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: visors < 1248387896 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that makes sense < 1248387897 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :screens that surround a whole room < 1248387898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1248387905 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what is wrong with HUD for visors? < 1248387918 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is what is used in modern fighter pilot helmets for example < 1248387924 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: HUDs just do one-colour vector graphics < 1248387927 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's LAAAAAAAAAME < 1248387938 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could display movies, overlay full-colour photographs, ... with a bendable, transparent OLED visor < 1248387939 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you can see through though. Which is good for the application < 1248387940 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1248387945 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: there are transparent OLEDs < 1248387947 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vector graphics *displays* rocks < 1248387950 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are transparent ones that are also bendable < 1248387961 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the colour isn't too good on them but that can be improved) < 1248387963 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they're at trade-show level atm) < 1248387969 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, assuming they really can draw smooth diagonal lines < 1248388033 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also there are two colour HUDs. Like a different colour for some of the graphics... I have seen it. Forgot what aircraft. < 1248388039 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1248388041 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OLEDs are better < 1248388075 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, this is still very very very cool http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helmet_mounted_display < 1248388092 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1248388097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wearable computing shit has stuff like that < 1248388102 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HUD are split into 3 generations reflecting the technology used to generate the images. < 1248388102 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :First Generation - Use a CRT to generate an image on a phospher screen, these had the disadvantage of fading with time as the phospher burns out. These systems still make up the majority of HUDs in operation today < 1248388102 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Second Generation - Use solid state light sources LED or similar which is modulated by a LCD screen to display an image. This removes the fading with time and also the high voltages that were required for first generation systems. These systems are on commerical aircraft. < 1248388103 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but OLEDs are stil lso much cooler, dammit < 1248388105 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ^ < 1248388111 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't care < 1248388111 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one colour only eh? < 1248388113 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vector? < 1248388119 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you meant: < 1248388120 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Third Generation - Use optical waveguides to produce an image directly in the combiner rather than use a projection system. < 1248388122 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought hud = heads up display < 1248388124 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so stfu < 1248388125 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not sure how that works) < 1248388128 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes it is < 1248388133 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm quoting HUD page now < 1248388137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1248388139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :helmet mounted display < 1248388139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!= < 1248388141 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heads up display < 1248388142 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head-up_display#Generation < 1248388143 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is < 1248388144 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1248388144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two different articles < 1248388146 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm < 1248388147 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quoting < 1248388148 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DUH < 1248388154 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about HUDs < 1248388157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HUD = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head-up_display < 1248388168 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, YES THAT IS WHAT I SAID < 1248388171 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :READ THE LINK PLEASE < 1248388174 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ehird, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head-up_display#Generation < 1248388175 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is NOT < 1248388181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ehird, this is still very very very cool http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helmet_mounted_display < 1248388190 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mentioned two different articles < 1248388193 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sure is fun watching you get worked up < 1248388209 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, is sure tragic watching you fail to read < 1248388232 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even fail to accept that once I pointed out I wasn't quoting the same thing any more < 1248388390 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1248388528 0 :GregorR!n=gregor@65.183.185.3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1248391084 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/900rW.png < 1248391100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :False dichotomy 2: electric boogaloo! < 1248391110 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow :P < 1248391140 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I especially like how that implies that "I don't like him" is grounds for impeachment :P < 1248391246 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :History shows that only blowjobs are grounds for impeachment. < 1248391260 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And not crimes against humanity. < 1248391265 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or war crimes. < 1248391269 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll impeach your blowjob. < 1248391271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't know what I mean. < 1248391298 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or violations of treaties. Or blatant violations of the Constitution. < 1248391319 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :always great to finish a 6-page article after about 10 hours of reading. < 1248391323 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the brutal rape of the English language! < 1248391347 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That wasn't rape. English is always willing. < 1248391490 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1248391498 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Or the brutal rape of the English language! That wasn't rape. English is always willing. < 1248391499 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :46| Or the brutal rape of the English language! That wasn't rape. English is always willing. < 1248391521 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :English porn. < 1248391528 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka Bush oratory videos. < 1248391530 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oratory sex < 1248391911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, this was mentioned a while ago in here, but < 1248391929 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No Person except (a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States), at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President. < 1248391954 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody born in America since the ratification of the Constitution has been legally elected president. < 1248391958 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wake up sheeple :-P < 1248392072 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[While descriptivists and other such laissez-faire linguists are content to allow the misconception to fall into the vernacular, it cannot be denied that logic and philosophy stand to lose an important conceptual label should the meaning of BTQ become diluted to the point that we must constantly distinguish between the traditional usage and the erroneous "modern" usage. This is why we fight.]] < 1248392075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑ You can tell they're pretentious assholes from one paragraph! < 1248392097 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what does "BTQ" mean? < 1248392102 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beg the Question < 1248392110 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's barbeque but you also have tea < 1248392117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://begthequestion.info/; response telling them to shut the living fuck up: http://severinghaus.org/static/beg/ < 1248392121 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird loves dat < 1248392128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: that sounds amazing < 1248392153 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we should do it < 1248392163 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: like, an #esoteric BTQ? < 1248392168 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes! < 1248392176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit, you've discovered the only way an #esoteric meetup could possibly work: < 1248392178 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with bacon and tea < 1248392185 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it must happen < 1248392187 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :LaissezFaireLing < 1248392192 0 :LaissezFaireLing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1248392200 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor is laissezfaireling... in bed. < 1248392202 0 :LaissezFaireLing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No laissez faire linguistics for me. < 1248392231 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So who in here likes (a) barbeqae and (b) tea? < 1248392238 0 :LaissezFaireLing!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :write < 1248392240 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Answers on a postcard^W^Hn IRC message. < 1248392251 0 :write!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like barbeque but not tea. < 1248392282 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :write: (1, "Hello, world!\n", 14); < 1248392285 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, why on earth don't you like tea. < 1248392313 0 :write!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because, like coffee, beer, wine and virtually all other beverages, it tastes like bitter water to me? < 1248392328 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you drink? < 1248392329 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's wrong with tea? < 1248392333 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION likes tea
< 1248392334 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :write: Oh right < 1248392342 0 :write!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I drink water and soda. And soda water. < 1248392343 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: write's tongue is retarded < 1248392344 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : with bacon and tea <-- no no. You forgot the garlic < 1248392346 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Oh write) < 1248392351 0 :write!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Actually it's my nose. < 1248392353 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: just put garlic on the bacon. anyway you're not invited :P < 1248392370 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :write: oh? i don't really have any sense of smell either < 1248392373 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, sure I am! < 1248392375 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, at first I thought you meant tounge, as in... speach < 1248392379 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, well, uh < 1248392380 0 :write!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1248392384 0 :write!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"language"? :P < 1248392388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, you're not, because it'd end in physical violence < 1248392391 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's more like it < 1248392391 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :QED < 1248392392 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess < 1248392392 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I dislike tea. < 1248392394 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: "speech" < 1248392400 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Then you're super-not-invited! < 1248392400 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :water maybe? < 1248392404 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1248392410 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, duh. Who cares about you :P < 1248392412 0 :write!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can we make bacon tea? < 1248392414 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The tea is uncompromisable. Isn't that right oklopol. < 1248392418 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually when someone farts in the room, i virtually have to stick my nose up their butt before i can smell it < 1248392426 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I don't think you should do that < 1248392432 0 :write!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ... not recommended. < 1248392437 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :write: Ooh... you could pour freshly-made tea over bacon while it's sizzling. < 1248392443 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tea-flavoured bacon! < 1248392452 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :teacon! < 1248392455 0 :write!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I was thinking you put freshly-cooked bacon in water and boil it :P < 1248392458 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Teacon! < 1248392462 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Teakcon < 1248392465 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :write: That'd just taste like broth or something. < 1248392472 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :teacockque < 1248392473 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Teacon, a convention about tea? < 1248392481 0 :write!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Touche :P < 1248392482 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Is that when you masturbate into tea and then interrogate it? < 1248392504 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Teacon is pronounced like a Jamaican would say "taken". < 1248392512 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that's the afterparty for.. well augur < 1248392513 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1248392516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Te from tea, acon from bacon. < 1248392530 0 :write!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: What, you have to be gay to masturbate into tea? < 1248392540 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, "beercan" is pronounced like a Jamaican would pronounce "bacon".) < 1248392561 0 :write!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: YOUR JAMAICANS ARE WEIRD < 1248392573 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shut up :P < 1248392589 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, we should totally do the BTQ. < 1248392589 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...like, not in a sexual sense. < 1248392590 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :write: you probably have to be something other than gay to enjoy masturbating in tea, actually < 1248392595 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a doing-of-creation-god-you-know-like-genesis ... thingy. Sense. < 1248392597 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know. < 1248392601 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if someone knows the latin for tea, tell me what the fetish is called < 1248392625 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tea-fucking < 1248392629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tucking < 1248392793 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb. < 1248392845 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually nevermind < 1248392845 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1248392846 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTQ < 1248392854 0 :write!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`etymology tea < 1248392856 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tea \ 1655, earlier chaa (1598, from Port. cha), from Malay teh and directly from Chinese (Amoy dialect) t'e, in Mandarin ch'a. The distribution of the different forms of the word reflects the spread of use of the beverage. The modern Eng. form, along with Fr. the, Sp. te, Ger. Tee, etc., derive via Du. thee from the Amoy < 1248392866 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually brb < 1248392873 0 :write!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm betting Latin for tea was "oh shit we haven't discovered tea yet" < 1248392875 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`etymology aoeu < 1248392876 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1248392878 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1248392883 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`etymology foo < 1248392885 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :food \ O.E. foda, from P.Gmc. *fodon (cf. Goth. fodeins), from Gmc. root *fod-, equivalent of PIE *pa-/*pi- "to tend, keep, pasture, to protect, to guard, to feed" (cf. Gk. pateisthai "to feed;" L. pabulum "food, fodder," panis "bread," pasci "to feed," pascare "to graze, pasture, feed," pastor "shepherd," lit. "feeder;" < 1248392887 0 :write!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1248393402 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@75-106-100-121.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1248393443 0 :write!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :GregorR < 1248393594 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Delicious gravy is delicious.