< 1248567099 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Paint it. < 1248567102 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With YOUR OWN BLOOD. < 1248567105 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1248567238 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Paint it ... < 1248567242 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With somebody else's blood? < 1248567247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :paint it with semen! < 1248567265 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whose? :P < 1248567266 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you sure you want to do that again? < 1248567276 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: I mean sailors, sheesh. < 1248567279 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Robdgreat: do… what? < 1248567287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say semen? < 1248567291 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: On the Internet, everybody can see you spell :P < 1248567310 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Robdgreat: What do I need to be sure about whether I'm doing?! < 1248567316 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, paint it with semen < 1248567323 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1248567330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :…I've done that in the past? < 1248567336 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Paint it with seaman semen? < 1248567344 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :traumatic amnesia, clearly < 1248567354 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Or mushroom mushroom < 1248567443 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow the TNN 500AF looks like it can handle a lot < 1248567451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :solid state cooling is <3 < 1248567493 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote MUSSOLINI < 1248567494 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :34|SUPLENTES EN UN UNIVERSO (MUSSOLINI CUANDO CONQUISTO EL MUNDO): i tan solo puede concluir que es defectuoso, o el mundo esta absolutamente loco. Todos a la gloria Il Duce! < 1248567504 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeeeeeees? < 1248567609 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now why the heck are they speaking spanish and not italian? < 1248567654 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translate SUPLENTES EN UN UNIVERSO (MUSSOLINI CUANDO CONQUISTO EL MUNDO): i tan solo puede concluir que es defectuoso, o el mundo esta absolutamente loco. Todos a la gloria Il Duce! < 1248567656 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE (WHEN MUSSOLINI WINS WORLD): <ehird> i can only conclude that it is defective, or the world is absolutely insane. All glory to Il Duce! < 1248567670 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translateto it IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE (WHEN MUSSOLINI WINS WORLD): i can only conclude that it is defective, or the world is absolutely insane. All glory to Il Duce! < 1248567672 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IN UN SUPPLENTE UNIVERSO (QUANDO MUSSOLINI WINS MONDO): <ehird> posso solo concludere che č difettoso, o il mondo č assolutamente folle. Tutti gloria a Il Duce! < 1248567751 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: >R >R R@ R> R@ - - R@ R> - < 1248567757 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: god that's beautiful < 1248567761 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: post it as a comment < 1248567769 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1248567770 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1248567789 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's swap right? < 1248567789 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be < 1248567803 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translateto it Come on baby, get on the floor, everybody do the dinosaur! < 1248567804 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vieni bambino, arrivare sul pavimento, non tutti i dinosauri! < 1248567820 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translate Vieni bambino, arrivare sul pavimento, non tutti i dinosauri! < 1248567822 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come on baby, get on the floor, not all dinosaurs! < 1248567825 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1248567833 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i think there's an error < 1248567834 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So close, and yet so far :P < 1248567836 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1248567839 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems there is :| < 1248567846 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm hmm. < 1248567872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: i've just finished laughing at "not all dinosaurs" < 1248567876 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for that < 1248567904 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translateto kr My hovercraft is full of eels. < 1248567906 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My hovercraft is full of eels. < 1248567908 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...... < 1248567911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Korean, you stupid HackEgo. < 1248567915 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1248567926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translateto ko My hovercraft is full of eels. < 1248567928 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :내 호버 뱀장어으로 가득 차있다. < 1248567928 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hungarian would be more interesting < 1248567932 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translate 내 호버 뱀장어으로 가득 차있다. < 1248567933 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ë, 'í ~ ¸ ë ² "ë ± € ìž ¥ ì-'ìœ ¼ ë ¡œ ê ° € ë" ì ° ¨ ìžë <¤. < 1248567938 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fail < 1248567940 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: kinda broken fail < 1248567945 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, kinda unescape html fail < 1248567950 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translateto hu My hovercraft is full of eels. < 1248567951 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saját légpárnás tele van angolnából. < 1248567955 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1248567958 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translate Saját légpárnás tele van angolnából. < 1248567959 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saja la t ĄĄŠ GPa RNA and is full of eels ĄĄba ł l. < 1248567975 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that worked well < 1248567975 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1248567978 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it has issues POSTING unicode. < 1248567979 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\n\././ < 1248567993 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders why that contains "angol", which means english iirc
< 1248567996 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Also, " and < and > are left escaped. < 1248567999 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now then, correction: < 1248568005 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translate angolnából < 1248568007 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :angoln谩b贸l < 1248568015 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: pejorative insult, obviously < 1248568020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :english = eels < 1248568022 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translateto it Open the door, get on the floor, everybody walk the dinosaur! < 1248568024 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apri la porta, ottenere sul pavimento, a piedi tutti i dinosauri! < 1248568029 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translate angol nyelv < 1248568030 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :English Language < 1248568032 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translate Apri la porta, ottenere sul pavimento, a piedi tutti i dinosauri! < 1248568034 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Open the door, get on the floor, walk all the dinosaurs! < 1248568041 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahaha < 1248568066 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woooh, walk all the dinosaurs. < 1248568086 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :laughter #2 complete < 1248568088 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on their feet, all the dinosaurs < 1248568111 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translateto ko Open the door, get on the floor, everybody walk to the dinosaur! < 1248568112 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :, 바닥에 문 열어, 공룡을 모두 도보로! < 1248568116 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice comma. < 1248568117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translate , 바닥에 문 열어, 공룡을 모두 도보로! < 1248568119 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :, Ë ° "ë <¥ ì-ë ¬ ¸ ì-'ì-', ê ³ μë £ ¡ì" ë ª ¨ ë' ë "ë ³ 'ë ¡œ! < 1248568122 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh. < 1248568127 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translateto fi Open the door, get on the floor, everybody walk to the dinosaur! < 1248568129 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Avaa ovi, pההstה lattialle, kaikki kהvelymatkan pההssה dinosaurus! < 1248568138 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's sort of more Hebrew than I'd like. < 1248568143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking more along the lines of Finnish. < 1248568146 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translate Avaa ovi, pההstה lattialle, kaikki kהvelymatkan pההssה dinosaurus! < 1248568147 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Avaa ovi, p × "×" st × "lattialle, kaikki k ×" velymatkan p × "×" ss × "dinosaurus! < 1248568154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dinosaurus :D < 1248568173 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translateto he I forget if 'he' is Hebrew ... < 1248568175 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :אם אני שוכח 'הוא' היא עברית ... < 1248568192 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translateto sw Hello, world! < 1248568193 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1248568194 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"#39&" :P < 1248568195 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1248568197 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translateto sv Hello, world! < 1248568198 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translateto se Hello, world! < 1248568198 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1248568199 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hej, världen! < 1248568202 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, se < 1248568205 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`transalteto se Are you looking for Swedish? < 1248568206 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1248568213 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"transalte" X_X < 1248568214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translateto se My cousin is a meerkat of strange angles. < 1248568214 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :salt < 1248568215 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My cousin is a meerkat of strange angles. < 1248568222 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION claps
< 1248568228 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: I thought "salt" was the output for a scond :D < 1248568234 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh :P < 1248568235 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*escond < 1248568236 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :........ < 1248568237 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*second < 1248568242 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course just echoing it isn't much better < 1248568256 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, apparently angolna is hungarian for eel < 1248568272 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Angol angolna! < 1248568283 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translate angol angolna < 1248568285 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :English eel < 1248568297 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1248568300 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's too hilarious for words. < 1248568368 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1248568373 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/8cMmA.jpg < 1248568448 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh < 1248568467 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: it was made in ms paint by a redditor guy. < 1248568475 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other shit: http://www.reddit.com/r/mspaint/ < 1248568708 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Shit" being in the bad meaning here, on second thoughts :P) < 1248568714 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Probably.) < 1248568812 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: it gets even better, angolnák can apparently mean either english or eels, at least google uses both when i experiment < 1248568834 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translate angolnák angolnák < 1248568835 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :angolnรกk angolnรกk < 1248568845 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, HackEgo. < 1248568846 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1248568848 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are we learning that to truly appreciate this sketch by Monty Python, you have to be bilingual in English and Hungarian. < 1248568850 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1248568854 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1248568872 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might seem so < 1248568913 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's actually interesting < 1248568925 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: add a translatefromto < 1248568928 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for those pesky cases < 1248568963 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :…or just a translatefrom but that's easier given translatefromto :P < 1248569013 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url bin/translateto < 1248569013 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/translateto < 1248569022 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was that a subtle hint :P < 1248569030 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that was the easiest way for me to get that URL. < 1248569034 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. :P < 1248569097 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch http://pastebin.ca/raw/1507393 < 1248569098 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-07-25 23:44:58 URL:http://pastebin.ca/raw/1507393 [555] -> "1507393" [1] < 1248569112 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mv "1507393" bin/translatefromto; dos2unix bin/translatefromto; chmod 0755 bin/translatefromto < 1248569113 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1248569120 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translatefromto en es Hello < 1248569121 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hola < 1248569136 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translatefromto es fr Hola < 1248569137 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bonjour < 1248569142 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did somebody say something about bilingual in English and Hungarian? :P < 1248569151 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shut up, Table. < 1248569167 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[btw, they didn't actually speak Hungarian in the phrasebook sketch :(] < 1248569226 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: angolnák certainly can mean eels, but can it also mean english or is google mistaken? i recall a -nak but not a -nák ending < 1248569251 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translatefromto hu en angolnak angolnak < 1248569253 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :English English < 1248569263 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translatefromto hu en angolnak angolnak angolnak < 1248569264 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :English English English < 1248569265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translatefromto hu en angolnak angolnak angolnák < 1248569266 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: No, but you would have to know what the Hungarian is for what they said, and know Hungarian well enough to figure out the off-by-a-syllable-or-so stuff and see what it was "supposed" to say. < 1248569267 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :English English eel < 1248569270 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1248569280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: angolnak = english; angolnák = eel < 1248569286 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's the difference of a ´? < 1248569288 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems so, at least < 1248569296 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently :-P < 1248569299 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you trust Google Translate. < 1248569314 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOGLE TRANSLATE IS MY LORD AND SAVIOR < 1248569325 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translateto ko GOOGLE TRANSLATE IS MY LORD AND SAVIOR < 1248569327 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google 번역 나의 주 예수 그리스도는 < 1248569339 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translate Google 번역 나의 주 예수 그리스도는 < 1248569340 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: except it said English for both in my browser when i did angol(n[áá]k) angolnák < 1248569340 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google ë ˛ ě-ë, ~ ě ~ ě Ł ź ě ~ ě ~ ę ¸ ë | Ź ěŠ ¤ ë "ëŠ" < 1248569348 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1248569349 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translatefromto ko en Google 번역 나의 주 예수 그리스도는 < 1248569350 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1248569354 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quick summary: angol = english, -nak can be a dative suffix; angolna = eel, -k is a plural suffix (and the 'a' becomes 'á') < 1248569357 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/á/a/ < 1248569361 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If anybody wants to figure out how to fix that, that'd be sweet :P < 1248569388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: send header w/ "im utf8 bitch! lol" < 1248569398 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also s/</R >R R@ R> R@ - >R R@ - R@ R@ R> - R> - - < 1248569674 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think that shuold work < 1248569687 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you were right, though, -m is what I'd expect (as in légpárnás hajó*m*) < 1248569704 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last one was borked because i managed to think python does its subtraction symbolically. < 1248569714 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*should < 1248569720 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: post it < 1248569729 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: also is that rot i assume? < 1248569736 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no it's swap :D < 1248569741 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1248569748 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: didn't you have a smaller swap? < 1248569749 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but OK < 1248569751 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also 15 is currently as much as i can brute force < 1248569751 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :post it! < 1248569754 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :length 15 < 1248569759 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it was luck i managed to do that < 1248569769 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that smaller swap was broken < 1248569784 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: that's what that hovercraft page uses too < 1248569786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ah < 1248569788 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, i could make it a lot faster, and do rot, ofc < 1248569794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: post it dammit < 1248569800 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least i assume i can generate more optimizations < 1248569803 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1248569804 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm < 1248569804 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1248569805 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure as hell beats his < 1248569807 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :: SWAP >R >R R@ R> >R R@ R> R@ - >R R@ R> >R - R> R> + >R >R >R R@ R> - + R> R> ; < 1248569821 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think mine is the exact same. < 1248569830 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er wait < 1248569831 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: < 1248569832 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"R@ R>" < 1248569833 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except without the redundancy < 1248569837 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1248569842 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that was different < 1248569843 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nm < 1248569858 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh < 1248569861 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually what i did was take < 1248569862 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :over < 1248569866 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just leave the x out < 1248569871 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1248569884 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :over does a swap, and leaves another copy of x in there < 1248569896 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1248569899 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Min igelkott är inte dum eller söt. < 1248569902 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just dropped that instruction < 1248569908 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then removed redundancy < 1248569917 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm my copy of his didn't expand + < 1248569922 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more interesting that i proved it's optimal < 1248569924 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Alla igelkottar er söta < 1248569930 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that that's very interesting still < 1248569933 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*är < 1248569956 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :: SWAP >R >R R@ R> >R R@ R> R@ - >R R@ R> >R - R> R> >R >R R@ R> >R R@ R> - R> - - >R >R >R R@ R> - >R >R R@ R> - R> - - R> R> ; < 1248569959 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty ugly < 1248569969 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: wonder if it's tc < 1248569971 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think so < 1248569977 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no conditionals < 1248569978 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1248569979 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1248569985 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you make it lazy :P < 1248569991 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where was that url... < 1248569996 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: conditionals can be done by pushing addresses on the return stack < 1248569998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have ' < 1248570002 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1248570006 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well assuming that's not done < 1248570014 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :: nop-forever ' nop-forever >R ; < 1248570026 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could have laziness, like if some value is subtracted from itself after being calculated, it will not be calculated at all < 1248570033 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: what is ' ? < 1248570045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ' reads the next word and pushes its definition's address < 1248570049 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there < 1248570055 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :' nop-forever → d834fu34 < 1248570078 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: without ', might you instead use R> DROP as an INTERCAL FORGET? < 1248570097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm yes < 1248570104 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can loop without ' < 1248570109 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :: nop-forever R@ >R ; < 1248570110 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ↑ < 1248570113 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait you still need to do so conditionally < 1248570113 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think it might be TC because of that < 1248570122 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1248570123 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even < 1248570130 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wants a browser with full CSS3 support
< 1248570150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :: FOREVER R> DROP R@ >R ; < 1248570152 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1248570156 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then : LOOP ... FOREVER ; < 1248570163 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOOP is "... ... ..." forever < 1248570166 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I beleive < 1248570167 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :believe < 1248570170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1248570173 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that just loops after forever < 1248570173 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1248570177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :: LOOP FOREVER ... ; < 1248570209 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :: forever r> drop r@ >r ; ok < 1248570210 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :: test forever ." Hello, world!" cr ; ok < 1248570212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test ok < 1248570214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not < 1248570227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :: forever r@ >r ; redefined forever ok < 1248570227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forever ok < 1248570229 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs more thinking < 1248570239 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :: forever r@ >r >r ; redefined forever ok < 1248570239 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forever < 1248570241 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::9: Address alignment exception < 1248570243 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1248570263 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translateto fi cat < 1248570264 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kissa < 1248570339 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: "URL contains illegal characters" < 1248570345 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't post comments i'm too dumb :P < 1248570357 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translate kissa < 1248570359 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat < 1248570369 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, did we get `translatefromto ? < 1248570392 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1248570408 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google Account, what does that mean, should i be logged onto google or something? < 1248570461 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translatefromto es ko Hola < 1248570463 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :안녕하세요 < 1248570466 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_O < 1248570472 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1248570486 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translatefromto es it Hola < 1248570486 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i posted, but i also posted the proof, and tabs got fucked up < 1248570487 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ciao < 1248570493 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translatefromto sv en kissa < 1248570495 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pee < 1248570520 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just don't pee on a cat. < 1248570566 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also "pushed one less x" only makes sense if you know what x is :P < 1248570578 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not exactly used to adding comments. < 1248570588 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, because i'm a retard < 1248570593 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard for me < 1248571584 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1248571847 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1248573050 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translateto ja Warrigal < 1248573051 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1248573057 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blink. < 1248573152 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translateto ja I really like eating that beef. < 1248573154 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :私は実際には、牛肉を食べるように。 < 1248573370 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1248573380 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, ウォリガル, anyone? < 1248573408 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translateto ja My nickname is Warrigal. < 1248573409 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :私のニックネームは野生です。 < 1248573515 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Warrigal" translates??? < 1248573528 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a word. < 1248573533 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`define Warrigal < 1248573535 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Australian wild horse \ * dingo: wolflike yellowish-brown wild dog of Australia \ [19]wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn < 1248573560 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're an Australian wild horse, huh. < 1248573563 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`define gregor < 1248573564 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Gregor is a surname, and may refer to: * Francis Gregor (MP) (1760 - 1815 ), MP for the County of Cornwall, brother of William. * Valentin Gregor (born May 1963, Bonn, Germany) is a jazz violinist, singer and composer. ... \ [22]en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregor_(surname) \ * Gregory is a common masculine first < 1248573663 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :watashi no NIKKUNEEMU wa (野生) desu. < 1248573684 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translateto ko My hovercraft is full of Warrigals. < 1248573686 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :내 호버 Warrigals으로 가득 차있다. < 1248573689 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LAME < 1248573693 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`define pikhq < 1248573693 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translateto ja My hovercraft is full of Warrigals. < 1248573694 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1248573695 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :私のホバークラフトWarrigalsでいっぱいです。 < 1248573699 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LAME < 1248573728 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translateto eo My hovercraft is full of eels < 1248573729 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1248573738 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, no Esperanto? < 1248573746 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think 野生 is a single word. I don't know how it's pronounced. < 1248573768 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Words with multiple kanji use the on readings, right? < 1248573789 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translateto fy My hovercraft is full of eels. < 1248573791 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1248573801 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No Frisian, either. :( < 1248573860 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translateto lv My hovercraft is full of bananas. < 1248573861 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mani hovercraft ir pilns ar banâniem. < 1248573874 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The on readings of 野 are ya and sho, and those of 生 are shoo and sei. I think. < 1248573899 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translateto ko I wonder if Google Translate can translate words like "sex doll", "dildo", "pornography" and "threesome" < 1248573901 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google 번역하면 "섹스 인형", "!!"와 같은 단어를 번역할 수 있을지 궁금하다 "포르노"및 "3 인조" < 1248573933 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently, Korean for 'dildo' is '!!' < 1248573965 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I prefer the dingo to the horse. < 1248573973 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Equines are weird and/or freaky. < 1248573978 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translateto ja dingo < 1248573980 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ディンゴ < 1248574001 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translateto fi Equines like to get weird and/or freaky. < 1248574003 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hevoseläimet haluaisin saada outoja ja / tai Freaky. < 1248574032 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm glad that it capitalized "freaky" for me :P < 1248574072 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thereby proving that the word for "dingo" is the same in every language. < 1248574178 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's even a valid, though nonexistent, gismu in Lojban. < 1248574229 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In theory, you're not allowed to use that word until the LLG approves it, which they probably will never do. But people who want the word for "dingo" to be the same in every language will ignore that. < 1248574319 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damned Happy Tree People ... every time I channel-surf past cutesy cartoons, I expect them all to die horrendous deaths. < 1248574574 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though the word is different in Lithuanian. They say "dingas". < 1248575003 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION attempts to figure out the Farsi word for "dingo" and comes up with "farsdh", which is actually the Farsi word for Farsi.
< 1248575027 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um :P < 1248575057 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translateto fa dingo < 1248575058 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dingo < 1248575111 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translateto fa Farsi < 1248575113 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1248575146 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Farsi word for "dingo" is "دینگو"... < 1248575288 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which can be transliterated as "dīngow". < 1248575326 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Persians are dingos. < 1248575380 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Korean, it's "딩고", which doesn't render in Courier New. Lovely. < 1248575622 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, that appears to transliterate as "dinggo", where "ngg" is a velar nasal followed by a g. < 1248575649 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is, err, the correct pronunciation? < 1248575666 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Generally. < 1248575682 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Hebrew, it's "דינגו". < 1248575833 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Observation: The reason why "dingo" is the same in every language is that dingos were discovered after most modern languages were more-or-less in place. Now stop talking about it like it's interesting. < 1248575859 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And hey, it transliterates as "dingo". < 1248575887 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I only have four more words to transliterate. :-P All on one line, now... < 1248575903 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"dingo", "dingo", "dingo" and "dingo", YES, WE GET IT < 1248576313 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have I destroyed your will? :P < 1248576404 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY WILLY IS INDESTRUCTIBLE < 1248576458 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to think of any response at all that's not ultra-gay innuendo ... in your end-o. < 1248576503 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Georgian: "დინგო", "dingo". Tamil: "டிங்கோ", "tinko". Chinese: I'll get back to you on that. < 1248576534 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How are you doing all these magical transliterations? < 1248576557 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By going to the Wikipedia pages on their scripts and looking up each letter. < 1248576573 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ow < 1248576593 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it very interesting that my terminal doesn't render Arabis script correctly. < 1248576599 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna go grab my English-to-Ancient-Egyptian dictionary and look up "dingo" < 1248576599 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting and lame. < 1248576646 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to write "dingo" in Ancient Egyptian now. < 1248576710 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hieroglyphs. < 1248576720 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it. < 1248576871 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keep in mind that Hieroglyphs had no vowels, and it would be ultra-lame if you used only hieroglyphs that encode single sounds. < 1248576925 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since the 'd' and 'n' single-sound hieroglyphs are both wide but 'g' isn't, you should do some combination to make the result more attractive. < 1248577403 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D46:N35-W11 < 1248577469 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ihope127 for my ultra-lame hieroglyphs. < 1248577645 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1248577693 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's exactly what I expected :P < 1248577697 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO MUCH LAME < 1248577726 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hieroglyphs is all about choosing the right symbols such that every word is its own block ... with this the 'g' is more-or-less detached from 'dn' < 1248577734 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm an ass ^^ < 1248577845 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh, it's hot in my apartment :( < 1248577878 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So find a bilateral sign for "dn" or "ng". :-P < 1248577899 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOO LAZY < 1248577909 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, D46:N35:W11 does render. < 1248577920 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who says only wide signs are stackable? < 1248577924 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ihope127 < 1248577954 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... it's not a block :P < 1248577965 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a block, then? < 1248577971 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's apparently not the same thing as a stack. < 1248577983 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you mean that that block doesn't exist. < 1248578016 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I'll try to write "warrigal". < 1248578038 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something which, when put into a box, has no appreciable blank spots. < 1248578366 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrgl, so wrgn or wrgr, so wr g n or wr g r, which codes as G36 W11 D21 or G36 W11 N35. < 1248578376 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither of which can be rendered in a way that looks nice. < 1248578515 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hey, G36-W11:N35 actually is a block. < 1248578700 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's three times as wide as it is tall, but it's still a block. < 1248578833 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: oh my god those were lame < 1248579179 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there less-lame ways of doing these? < 1248579184 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, "LAPWING WITH WINGS TWISTED < 1248579193 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ROUND ONE ANOTHER" is such a great Unicode character name. < 1248579234 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Any Winelf news, or am I going to have to fiddle with it myself for there to be any progress? :P < 1248579260 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just added x86_64 support for Linux, but it doesn't work, and has nothing to do with Windows :P < 1248579317 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah. < 1248579328 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bring on the CygwinELF! < 1248579439 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO U < 1248579498 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION would also accept Loadlin
< 1248579577 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why don't you try running elfimplib over cygwin1.dll and seeing what happens :P < 1248579734 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or were you actually thinking libcygwin.so.1? < 1248579734 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't quite work right, because cygwin1.dll does direct calls to the Win32 process execution call... < 1248579762 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a nonissue. < 1248579770 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just have to make it not call cygwin1.dll for those. < 1248579789 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just want a libcygwin.so.1 that executes Cygwin programs as ELF files. < 1248579803 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possible, but D-8 < 1248579860 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the calls go through a single function. < 1248579877 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Cygwin has a syscall-esque design for cygwin1.dll) < 1248579893 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1248579898 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that's interesting. < 1248579921 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, Cygwin is designed as a UNIX kernel which happens to run in userspace on Windows. < 1248580126 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it already has seperate code paths for executing Windows and Cygwin executables. < 1248580147 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1248580177 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because of how Cygwin works, if the WinELF programs started with #!/bin/elfload, it would work right. :P < 1248580273 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1248580278 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's only one problem with that ... < 1248580280 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're ELF files :P < 1248580292 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks to see if it'd be easy to add more magic numbers there
< 1248580362 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, if you know anything about ELF symbol versioning and want to extend elfload ... I won't stop you? :P < 1248580393 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a file extension that makes Windows toss a file to Cygwin for shebanging? < 1248580403 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: No. < 1248580435 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How Cygwin works is it functions as a UNIX kernel. Shebanging only works when something is being executed via Cygwin. < 1248580451 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/works is it/ < 1248580451 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ < 1248580593 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, there's the Cygwin magic number handling. < 1248580650 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int av::fixup (const char *prog_arg, path_conv& real_path, const char *ext) < 1248580681 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In winsup/cygwin/spawn.cc < 1248580698 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warning: hard-to-read C++. < 1248580704 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(read: "Win32 API") < 1248580792 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Couldn't you write a program that tells Cygwin to execute a particular file, and then assign a certain file extension to that program? < 1248580858 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int main(int argc,char**argv){exec(argv[1]);} < 1248580860 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... So, yes. < 1248580909 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Well, right now I'm just looking for what, exactly, the ELF magic number is. < 1248580938 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ELF in hex plus a 128 before or after is my guess < 1248580980 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :127 before < 1248581033 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*in ascii < 1248581035 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc < 1248581043 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh hex < 1248581121 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"\127ELF", then. < 1248581143 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, according to rwh < 1248581215 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, should be just a minor patch to spawn.cc and a build away. < 1248581222 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"minor patch" lawl < 1248581280 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Make it handle the ELF magic number sequence and call elfload.exe. :P < 1248581568 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION very strongly gets the feeling that elfload does not load shared libraries in shared memory space. :P
< 1248581784 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. The Cygwin dlopen would also need patching. :/ < 1248582061 0 :Xiin!n=X@81.106.151.14 JOIN :#esoteric < 1248582236 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0xFFELF, of course. < 1248582275 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that so < 1248582743 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0xL :P < 1248592009 0 :Robdgreat!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1248592366 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The netsplit was much more epic in Python < 1248592369 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#python < 1248592668 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that so < 1248592674 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should probably join then < 1248592689 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, would need to reg < 1248593012 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :morning < 1248593537 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :morning < 1248593538 0 :Robdgreat!i=rob@unaffiliated/robdgreat JOIN :#esoteric < 1248593553 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should probably sleep soon < 1248593631 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1248593713 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1248594465 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1248595199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1248595200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1248595647 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Computer has gone to sleep" < 1248598213 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1248599674 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1248600469 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1248605790 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1248606192 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-1-130.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1248606825 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1248609467 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1248610357 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translate Lachs < 1248610358 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Salmon < 1248610364 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, HackEgo < 1248610406 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:37 GregorR: Observation: The reason why "dingo" is the same in every language is that dingos were discovered after most modern languages were more-or-less in place. Now stop talking about it like it's interesting. < 1248610436 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All Warrigal does is come up with some pointless goal and annoy the channel for hours with it, including such gems of tautology as "In theory, you're not allowed to use that word until the LLG approves it, which they probably will never do. But people who want the word for "dingo" to be the same in every language will ignore that." < 1248610439 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get used to it < 1248610511 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wasn't annoyed and has no idea what you was talking about.
< 1248610544 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :billgates2 < 1248610623 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea what you was talking about, oerjan < 1248610630 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you was not good with the english < 1248610650 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that very good. i were not really trying. < 1248610659 0 :billgates2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Zuu < 1248610683 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan doth sound liketh he needs some sleep < 1248610731 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would been weird, seeing as i just get up < 1248610754 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also, but I'm still tired < 1248611361 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ" < 1248612586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;297830 Microsoft have high opinions of their program's logic consistency: < 1248612589 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INSERT INTO test ; < 1248612589 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : VALUES ("Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn.") < 1248612772 0 :Nowicjusz!n=ppp@chello089078252063.chello.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1248612850 0 :Nowicjusz!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1248612861 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, the Pole. < 1248613412 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gnome 3 is going to be awesome. I wish Gnome 3 was out. < 1248613454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow! 2.28 is going to depend on WebKit/GTK+. Cool. < 1248613853 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This would work and reuse a lot of code, but I’m a little wary of embedding a web browser into the window manager." < 1248614261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Abstract: This talk describes a radically different architecture for computing called Fleet. Fleet accepts the limitations to computing imposed by physics: moving data around inside a computer costs more energy, more delay, and more chip area than the arithmetic and logical operations ordinarily called “computing.” Fleet puts the programmer firmly in charge of the most costly resource, communication, instead of in charge of the arithmetic and logic < 1248614263 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :al resources that are now almost free. Fleet treats arithmetic and logical operations as side effects of where the programmer sends data.]] < 1248614273 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This guy is anticipating electrons slowing down massively, I guess. < 1248616908 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows woke up my computer from sleep to update windows media centre. Is it just me, or is that really stupid? < 1248617142 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Windows[…]Is[…]really stupid < 1248617144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[…] < 1248617153 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\n\[…\]/[…]/ < 1248617460 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@77-100-194-169.cable.ubr04.pres.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1248618308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Quote from the Encyclopedia Galactica, 5th rev.: < 1248618308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> The virus that destroyed Terran "Western" civilization, known as W32.Addict, was much simpler in construction than previous viruses. Once running, it would open the computer's web browser at random intervals between one and five hours to a random page from the TV Tropes website. Millions were found dead at their computers in the first 48 hours of the epidemic alone. Even worse, those infected voluntarily spread the virus further, e-mailing others to "c < 1248618313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck out this site I found."]] < 1248618315 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :— reddit < 1248619772 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"My six year old cousin is being sexually abused by her step-mom, what can I do (legally)?" < 1248619776 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The answer being "ask on reddit". < 1248619821 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Take pix" < 1248619842 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that'd be /b/. < 1248619847 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :b b. < 1248619851 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hyuk hyuk hyuk. < 1248619856 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bee < 1248620344 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :תֹהוּ וָבֹהוּ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1248620350 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translate תֹהוּ וָבֹהוּ < 1248620351 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :× ª Ö ¹ × "× • Ö ¼ × • Ö ¸ × 'Ö ¹ ×" × • Ö ¼ < 1248620355 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1248620579 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1248620620 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From the Torah; "tohu va vohu" → "without form, and void". < 1248620626 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite accurately describes esolangs… < 1248620633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of them, at least. < 1248620641 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I resent that remark < 1248620712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said "most of them". :) < 1248620720 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha, Genesis is called Bereshit in the Torah. < 1248620725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too perfect. < 1248620839 0 :CESSMASTER!n=CESSMAST@unaffiliated/joelywoely JOIN :#esoteric < 1248620841 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1248620878 0 :CESSMASTER!n=CESSMAST@unaffiliated/joelywoely JOIN :#esoteric < 1248621449 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reads someone claim that nobody has monitored the brainwaves of someone feeling "love"
< 1248621464 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the world! Next stop: Holy Fucking Shit It's The Twenty First Century Wow. < 1248627920 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :morning < 1248628046 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is running another generation of his color matcher.
< 1248628051 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5115 results now! zomg < 1248628084 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're such a pimp < 1248628122 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should all be matching colors right now, cats and kittens! < 1248628158 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't believe in colors < 1248628168 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. < 1248628177 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's ... an odd statement. < 1248628197 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially from somebody enjoying the WHITE PRIVILEGE. < 1248628240 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oklopol. < 1248628240 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you know i'm white? < 1248628300 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. i guess i did recently record my penis < 1248628314 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, you can't be sure, i could've like colored my skin for it < 1248628342 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm hi mister ehird < 1248628385 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: *muster < 1248628387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :musterehird < 1248628392 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :muster I heard < 1248628418 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At generation 113, best result is 0.72 (5889/8210) < 1248628455 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: can it do more subtle colours < 1248628464 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: that tells me absolutely nothing < 1248628475 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: In what sense? < 1248628478 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Too bad. < 1248628489 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1248628490 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: the previous one gave very strong colours < 1248628498 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very primary sort of thing < 1248628502 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not something you could use as subtle shades and stuff < 1248628503 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Oh, you mean for color schemes? < 1248628509 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :things like that, yeah < 1248628528 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would have to be checked independently. This just says "are these two colors not barfaglorious" < 1248628534 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: what's the 5889 there? < 1248628549 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: How many pieces of matching data my neural network agrees with. < 1248628572 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: well that's obvious, i could've deduced that easily < 1248628586 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhhhhh, then why did you ask? :P < 1248628612 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. good question. i'll have to assume it has something to do with the fact i just woke up. even though i'm not at all tired. < 1248628624 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"groggy" != "tired" < 1248628628 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`define groggy < 1248628629 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* dazed: stunned or confused and slow to react (as from blows or drunkenness or exhaustion) \ [12]wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn \ * Sleep inertia is a physiological state characterised by a decline in motor dexterity and a subjective feeling of grogginess, immediately following an abrupt awakening. Sleep < 1248628651 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck you, Google. < 1248628695 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: if you wake up at 19:00, there's not always a clear distinction < 1248628699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1248628700 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sleep" < 1248628703 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's commanding you to! < 1248628713 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ugh, I'd hate that < 1248628721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :waking up late depresses me < 1248628725 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At generation 195, best result is 0.73 (5974/8210) < 1248628744 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: you do realise there's probably a better way than a generic neural network for this? < 1248628762 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i'm alone and don't have uni, i automatically switch to an inverse rhythm < 1248628766 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Genetic neural networks are awesome, screw you :P < 1248628770 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: neural networks tend to be great at their example and crap at everything else, unless there's inherent, meaningful structure directly related to the operation embedded in the inputs < 1248628783 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :takes like 4 days or so :D < 1248628786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there isn't such barfness-structure in colour codes < 1248628797 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really do think that there is. < 1248628802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: don't you like sunlight? :< < 1248628810 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: no not really < 1248628812 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the rain < 1248628818 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: yeah because that 1 bit there with that 0 bit there implies the subjective human aesthetic system likes it < 1248628820 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :riiiiiiight < 1248628821 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and darkness < 1248628839 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i must be the only person who likes daylight < 1248628847 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: And yet, everybody on Earth can go "lime green and pink? Maybe not." < 1248628861 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Let me get this straight. < 1248628865 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two things. < 1248628896 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Every human can do this" = "genetic neural networks can do this"? Two, yes, they can decide whether two colours fit. That doesn't mean that the actual bits in two colour codes has INHERENT MEANINGFUL STRUCTURE related to this. < 1248628897 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*inherent* < 1248628905 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you need that for neural networks to do well at it < 1248628908 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, the input data is, by my quick-n-dirty remover-for-inconsistent-results, 40% inconsistent 8-D ) < 1248628913 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise it's just a pseudorandom shitfest < 1248628916 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: well not everybody < 1248628929 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: see? < 1248628935 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd tell you who can't, but you'd ban me from your color matcher. < 1248628955 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Barring unforeseen issues, Emacs 23.1 will be released in two days, on Wednesday the 22nd: http://article.gmane.org/gm... < 1248628956 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Correction: Emacs 23.1 will be released in nine days, on Wednesday the 29th.]] < 1248628957 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :— http://twitter.com/emacs < 1248628961 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: who? you? :D < 1248628967 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your random voting computer program? < 1248628974 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with pink and lime green < 1248628989 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: What you've forgotten is that I'm actually rather happy with the result of this neural network, and agree with it more often than not :P < 1248628989 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you gon get band! < 1248628999 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: That just means you're crazy. :P < 1248629025 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Also, bit of bias in that you made it to work so you rather want it to work. < 1248629031 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might influence your agreement decisions. < 1248629055 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Didn't you say you wanted a phone that can run emacs? < 1248629062 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?! < 1248629066 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1248629068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone in here did. < 1248629071 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A while back. < 1248629112 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: is the input data the votes from the website? < 1248629130 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1248629161 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet you i could write something incredibly trivial that just compares the numbers with a few biases and get more than 73% < 1248629174 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feel free. < 1248629187 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are the votes free for grabbing? < 1248629218 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that was not *only* and insult, i also really would like to try :P < 1248629222 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, 76% is the number to beat now, I don't recall saying "gee, I'm going to run this for 200 generations then call it quits") < 1248629245 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :programming is fun again, because i don't know haskell so well every bug is a typo < 1248629251 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*well enough that < 1248629265 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know why i corrected that < 1248629297 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :codu.org/colormatch/q/data/matches < 1248629325 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they have obvious meanings? < 1248629348 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :R1 G1 B1 R2 G2 B2 M < 1248629352 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where M=1 is matches < 1248629357 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah obvious < 1248629366 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boolean might've been inverted < 1248629369 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in theory < 1248629383 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll put that in the just woke up file too < 1248629396 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could've been R1 R2 G1 G2 B1 B2 M in theory too ;) < 1248629400 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kolmogorov complexity is computable by just trying every program of length 0, 1, 2, ... isn't it? < 1248629405 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it couldn't < 1248629408 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean only on a superturing machine or sth < 1248629411 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1248629413 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in practice < 1248629415 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it could, misread < 1248629427 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought you said r1 g1 b1 b2 g2 r2 m < 1248629432 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could not have been < 1248629450 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: well of course < 1248629453 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would have been a weird choice :P < 1248629475 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: so why is kolmogorov complexity uncomputable? < 1248629481 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :smallest program that does x is found by finding the smallest program that does it. < 1248629501 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: because if a prog of length 2 doesn't halt, you have no way of knowing whether you can advance < 1248629503 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh < 1248629511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1248629512 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well duh < 1248629513 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1248629516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm the stupid < 1248629519 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just woke up < 1248629554 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i've been up for hours < 1248629565 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :over five in fact < 1248629569 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: or do you mean you? < 1248629580 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have absolutely no idea what i meant < 1248629583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: anyway, I just realised something cool < 1248629594 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a machine that lets you start infinite parallel turing machine computations at once is superturing < 1248629615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have a function that tries every program, and reports on the lowest kolmogorov complexity < 1248629617 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as they terminate < 1248629632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which you can't do with a TM < 1248629648 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: umm and when does it know the smallest to finish :D < 1248629654 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have the correct result < 1248629658 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it doesn't, it reports on them as they go < 1248629659 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinite list < 1248629675 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if one terminates and is shorter than the current winner, return it and keep going < 1248629736 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're of course right in that it will find the correct answer in finite time. unfortunately it will not know when it has found it, so i don't think it's superturing under the standard definition. < 1248629777 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it can't have a function kolmogorov(s), indeed < 1248629778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1248629783 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you can't do it on a turing machine < 1248629788 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you round-robin the prorgams < 1248629789 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just do < 1248629795 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :p0_0, p1_0, p2_0, ... < 1248629800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and never get to p0_1 < 1248629809 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it can compute something that TMs simply cannot < 1248629810 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are other ways to round robin < 1248629812 0 :jix_!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-042-116.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1248629815 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should really learn math :P < 1248629822 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know there are < 1248629833 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there just aren't any that can do it this way < 1248629844 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes there are < 1248629848 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like what < 1248629857 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0101210123432101234543210.. < 1248629887 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: never gets to p{infinity}_0 < 1248629893 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a random example < 1248629904 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :p{infinity}_0 is not a program. < 1248629915 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: sheesh it was ad-hoc notation < 1248629915 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we allow infinite programs, superturing is not enough < 1248629924 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i meant that it only ever runs a finite amount of the programs < 1248629924 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well what the fuck did it mean? < 1248629928 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my parallel version runs all of them at once < 1248629958 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: for any program pn_0, for any x>0, that round robin executes it at least x times. < 1248629968 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/shrug < 1248629981 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's distinctly less powerful than an infinitely parallel TM < 1248630000 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it needs more thinking. < 1248630004 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I probably won't give it. < 1248630051 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. i'm not saying anything about infinitely parallel tm's. but i doubt those are superturing < 1248630101 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can certainly achieve things with them that you can't with a TM, I'm pretty sure, but it may not be superturing < 1248630103 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm wait < 1248630105 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a contradiction < 1248630110 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :parallelizing doesn't help all programs, so there are still ones that would have to be run linearly, which means those are subject to the HP < 1248630125 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :regardless, they certainly speed things up :-P < 1248630134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you have an infinitely fast TM < 1248630135 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, umm, i'm not arguing that :P < 1248630159 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: so, STM = TM + parallel {TM*inf} < 1248630160 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however < 1248630160 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should go shoppe now. < 1248630164 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1248630170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :STM' = TM + parallel {STM'*inf} < 1248630176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: that's basically an infinity machine, I think, maybe < 1248630178 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm wait no < 1248630181 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's equivalent < 1248630185 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just unpack the nested lists sorta thing < 1248630190 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait no < 1248630195 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you conditionally parallelise < 1248630205 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and STM's "parallel" hangs until they're all done < 1248630209 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then STM' is more powerful < 1248630213 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why should it hang anyway < 1248630239 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the infinity machine is a bit different; i mean you can't find pi's last digit with your thing < 1248630246 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah < 1248630261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :STM' = STM for any sane definition of both < 1248630264 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :proof: yours is mathematically meaningful, the infinity machine is not. < 1248630282 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: the infinity machine doesn't exist in this mathematical framework, though :) < 1248630347 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean it exists in some other mathematical framework? < 1248630365 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: the whole page posits that it exists in another universe and framework entirely < 1248630377 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even necessarily one we can comprehend or even imagine in this universe < 1248630390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it doesn't posit that it actually exists at all ofc < 1248630392 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if it did < 1248630433 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, it's ages since i read it, and i didn't find it a very interesting idea back then either < 1248630443 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're just lame < 1248630475 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a very similar idea was in some philosophy books my dad read when i was like younger than you < 1248630486 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i find it very old < 1248630501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish there was a good model for concurrent computing < 1248630507 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are good models for it < 1248630512 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: aha, but < 1248630514 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1248630516 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PI CALCULUS! < 1248630557 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay, pi calculus is awesome, i don't know about good. also i'm not sure what you mean by a model exactly, i don't know much about the theory of concurrency. < 1248630562 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's really hard to find one that, when you distribute across the internet, doesn't fall pray to the eight fallacies of distributed computing: < 1248630579 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. The network is reliable. < 1248630579 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. Latency is zero. < 1248630581 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3. Bandwidth is infinite. < 1248630583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4. The network is secure. < 1248630584 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah they fall pray like a nun < 1248630585 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5. Topology doesn't change. < 1248630587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6. There is one administrator. < 1248630589 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7. Transport cost is zero. < 1248630591 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8. The network is homogeneous. < 1248630596 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*prey < 1248630597 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1248630625 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think they just assume real life networks are asymptotically equivalent to those < 1248630649 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean really, who seriously cares about anything but complexity class < 1248630652 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :counterexample: the internet < 1248630652 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know i don't < 1248630659 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :counterexample: any supercomputer < 1248630667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wires can only go so fast :P < 1248630694 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: orly? < 1248630698 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a great sorting function for you < 1248630711 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i'm not an expert on this, in fact i don't know *anything* about it, so dunno. < 1248630715 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's O(1) for all lists with a length below Graham's number < 1248630721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and O(n log n) above that < 1248630739 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't really mean anything < 1248630762 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it beats quicksort and mergesort in complexity in some cases! < 1248630764 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :best case, specifically < 1248630799 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the order of a restricted function is not meaningful < 1248630808 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not restricted < 1248630809 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :works for any list < 1248630816 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i don't care about functions that only work for lists with length below graham's number. < 1248630822 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:51 ehird: it's O(1) for all lists with a length below Graham's number < 1248630822 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:52 ehird: and O(n log n) above that < 1248630828 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it's O(1) for all lists with a length below Graham's number <<< this is a statement about a restricted function < 1248630835 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has afinite domain < 1248630836 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*a finite < 1248630837 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: the best case complexity, O(1), is better than quicksort's and mergesort's < 1248630842 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a perfectly valid statement < 1248630869 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ehird: it's O(1) for all lists with a length below Graham's number" <<< this simply means absolutely nothing < 1248630880 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so use my other statemnt < 1248630883 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:53 ehird: oklopol: the best case complexity, O(1), is better than quicksort's and mergesort's < 1248630901 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: if you contend this is meaningless < 1248630902 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you define best case complexity for me? < 1248630902 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you: < 1248630902 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best,_worst_and_average_case < 1248630911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The term best-case performance is used in computer science to describe the way an algorithm behaves under optimal conditions. For example, the best case for a simple linear search on an array occurs when the desired element is the first in the list. < 1248630912 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Development and choice of algorithms is rarely based on best-case performance: most academic and commercial enterprises are more interested in improving average performance and worst-case performance. < 1248630965 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you said nothing about best case complexity of your algo as input size approaches infinity < 1248630971 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just that it's O(n log n) < 1248630983 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best case of my algorithm is O(1) < 1248630986 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i don't really see where you get "better than qs and ms" < 1248630986 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is simply a fact < 1248631005 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that mean? < 1248631019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best,_worst_and_average_case < 1248631023 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're the one who doesn't know shit < 1248631030 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because these terms are very clearly defined and very commonly used < 1248631101 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do realize that page doesn't define best case < 1248631109 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The term best-case performance is used in computer science to describe the way an algorithm behaves under optimal conditions. For example, the best case for a simple linear search on an array occurs when the desired element is the first in the list. < 1248631114 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently you're blind < 1248631121 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you should use one of those screenreaders < 1248631125 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1248631131 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck < 1248631143 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider yourself ignored forever. < 1248631157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool, i got oklopol pissed off < 1248631159 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that guy is a fucking retard < 1248631162 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shoppe -> < 1248631171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION checks off on list of Impossible Things to do Before Breakfast
< 1248632019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Oh, Reddit has discovered Sketchy LISP. Again." — Nils M Holm, in red lettering. < 1248632447 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: How's your color matcher goin'? :P < 1248632822 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1248633398 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1248633418 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know that perfectly well < 1248633435 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i just came back from the shoppe < 1248633441 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't have finished it yet < 1248633449 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a guy riding a unicycle < 1248633462 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oklopol who can't hear me! < 1248633470 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was kinda hard to leave after telling him i like unicycling too < 1248633478 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was like omg soulmate stay here with me < 1248633519 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1248633519 0 :oklopol!n=oklopol@i032136.gprs.dnafinland.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1248633525 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb oklopol who can't hear me < 1248633803 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : cool, i got oklopol pissed off <<< yes, i guess you could say that. < 1248633817 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey you said i was ignored bitch < 1248633822 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you a fucking liar < 1248633823 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitch < 1248633844 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess i am now tho :D < 1248633859 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've decided to unignore you once you sincerely apologize, and state clearly that you were wrong. < 1248633862 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you do it right away < 1248633883 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: haha but you can't because you have to ignore me to hear you < 1248633887 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a max(random amount, apology) < 1248633890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CONSIDERED THAT BITCH? < 1248633921 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird yogurt eating time -> < 1248633924 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i didn't actually say anything more insulting than you calling me a retard, and i wasn't wrong, soo < 1248633927 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not happenin' pardner < 1248633935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVERYTHING BLUE IS OKLOPOL TO MEEEEEEE < 1248633955 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: i'll probably start after a crucial episode of family guy, remember to keep me updated < 1248633979 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your mom will start after a crucial episode of family gu < 1248633980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1248633981 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh snap < 1248633996 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on your percentage that is < 1248634022 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what exactly is that percentage, i mean do you input half and test half, or what? < 1248634057 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you input all and test all, i can trivially beat you, but i guess you could consider that unfair :P < 1248634096 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1248634108 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yours doesn't even have input because it's evolutionizing < 1248634149 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda forgot the context < 1248634160 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol -itics < 1248634641 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm so full of chalk and sawdust, you guys < 1248634652 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hawt < 1248634719 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: that tells me absolutely nothing < 1248634734 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then YOU don't read enough Dinosaur Comics :P < 1248634735 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT TELLS YOU ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE ARE < 1248634765 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i've mentioned before, i don't seem to understand them < 1248634808 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha oklopol doesn't understand dinosaur comic < 1248634808 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1248634814 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION lols at oklopol
< 1248634840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like faglopol < 1248634841 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :amirite < 1248634865 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that there's anything wrong with that! < 1248634872 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION disables IO-APIC, retries installing XP on VirtualBox.
< 1248634882 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the solution i was gonna do was to store a size 4096 state space, that size would probably be enough to get over 90% prolly no matter how sucky it is, if i just let evolution find the optimal values for it < 1248634908 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: grab the win7 RC! < 1248634910 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has less suck < 1248634910 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That feature apparently makes XP absurdly slow. < 1248634929 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: When I have access to spare bandwidth, I'll grab Server 2008. < 1248634935 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(read: when I get back to school) < 1248634935 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, i'll try to think of something else, because i don't like losing to people like you. < 1248634963 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: why that instead of windows 7? < 1248634969 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean they're basically the same thing < 1248634970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1248634972 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get win7 rc legally < 1248634976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and use it until june 2009 < 1248634976 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Full version for free. < 1248634978 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Legally. < 1248634985 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: but for a limited time < 1248634987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like win7 < 1248634987 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because I'm a student) < 1248634988 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? < 1248634992 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1248634993 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1248635001 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well who cares about legal, says I! < 1248635002 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or sth < 1248635015 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft offers development software for free to all high-school and college students. < 1248635025 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Server OSes apparently count as development software. < 1248635033 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Riiiiiiiiight < 1248635057 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways, I find it absurd how very fast this thing is going without IO-APIC enabled. < 1248635133 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you're supposed to stop using it when you stop being a student, or so I thought. < 1248635137 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, I can apparently get Server 2008 < 1248635139 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I'd do that either. < 1248635140 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's weirdsauce. < 1248635156 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can get Vista Business too < 1248635168 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And MapPoint, because that's dev software. < 1248635195 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My roommate apparently has two free copies of every version piece of Microsoft software from XP on. < 1248635199 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got Vista twice, 32-bit and 64-bit... (even though product keys work on both architectures) < 1248635202 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why two < 1248635215 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Double the flavor, no calories! < 1248635226 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows doesn't have flavour < 1248635231 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it does < 1248635232 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just "shit" < 1248635235 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: He did something to merit getting one copy. And he did something else that merited getting one copy. < 1248635243 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: he must be so luck < 1248635244 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1248635256 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now if only he gave a damn. < 1248635278 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Well, I *guess* I could use my new i7 for running all of them at once..." < 1248635296 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1248635299 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could also get XP twice from MSDN Academic Alliance, because it considered windows XP and Windows XP with SP2 different products... < 1248635304 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I don't think i7s are *that* good < 1248635307 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1248635343 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello oerjan < 1248635353 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ehird:~/Library] % rm -rf Application Support/CrossOver Chromium ;; holy fuck I'm glad none of those were valid directory names < 1248635356 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good evening oklopol < 1248635363 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus < 1248635366 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Greetings from a couple of kilometers to the east < 1248635369 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION breathes heavily
< 1248635370 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're talking about how great microsoft is < 1248635381 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways, he has two MSDN accounts. < 1248635389 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: from whom? < 1248635394 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From me < 1248635399 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To oerjan < 1248635401 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no desire to use them. < 1248635418 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err right, i mean "to" < 1248635420 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*meant < 1248635427 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, a couple of kilometers? < 1248635439 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/a couple/quite some/ < 1248635442 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better? < 1248635574 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION concludes there is probably no part of sweden a couple of kilometers to the east of here, even with north/south adjustment
< 1248635574 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: where in se? < 1248635593 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sweden IN SPIRIT < 1248635617 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :bsmntbombdood < 1248635622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi bsmntbombdood < 1248635630 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ehird < 1248636052 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you're a < 1248636245 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1248636852 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, in Stockholm < 1248636974 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: then i'm much closer than oerjan. < 1248637037 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION does not possess the the information about where in Norway oerjan lives
< 1248637061 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or oklopol, for that matter < 1248637070 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol's in uhh < 1248637071 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :turku? < 1248637081 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i live in the closest finnish city to you < 1248637109 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you count that little island in the middle < 1248637283 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Åland? BTW, I were in Turku/Åbo last week. Quite nice city. < 1248637358 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you lived in... sweden? < 1248637368 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell putStrLn "foo" < 1248637370 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo < 1248637409 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell putStrLn "ʝjao\815" < 1248637443 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell putStrLn "\669jao\815" < 1248637444 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :�jao/ < 1248637445 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell putStrLn (5 + unsafePerformIO (putStrLn "printing" >> return 5)) < 1248637455 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION frownyface.
< 1248637475 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsafePerformIO is criminal. < 1248637475 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell print (5 + unsafePerformIO (putStrLn "printing" >> return 5)) < 1248637486 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well fuck :P < 1248637497 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't unsafePerformIO work like that? < 1248637544 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, if it's imported. :P < 1248637630 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1248637674 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: ghc default I/O is latin-1. it's being changed though... < 1248637841 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Lol*wut*? < 1248637849 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is evil. < 1248637891 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means it's essentially just doing (mod 256) I/O < 1248637996 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is evil and retarded. < 1248638014 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Latin-1 must die. < 1248638037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's not latin-1, really; it's just 8-bit < 1248638049 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's UTF-8, for instance, if you want < 1248638054 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you'll have to construct your own strings < 1248638062 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, ghc head fixed it < 1248638066 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6.12 < 1248638070 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All character encodings other than UTF-8 are loserly. < 1248638106 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: I am tolerant of other Unicode encodings. < 1248638111 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1248638113 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1248638114 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-16 is shitty < 1248638118 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-16 is godawful < 1248638119 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only acceptable other encoding < 1248638120 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-32 is a joke < 1248638123 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is UCS-4 < 1248638128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it stores each character < 1248638129 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as-is < 1248638130 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :end of < 1248638131 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only internally. < 1248638136 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1248638137 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then we just call it int[] < 1248638140 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a bad encoding inherently < 1248638141 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said "tolerant", not fond of. < 1248638149 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: String = [Char] = UCS-4 in Haskell < 1248638158 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-8 is the only Unicode encoding I want in common use. < 1248638172 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: OK, we who program in lower-level languages call it int[] :P < 1248638173 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(aside from implementation; UCS-4 is nice as an internal representation) < 1248638187 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Speak for yourself. < 1248638200 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: latin-1 _is_ the first 256 code points of Unicode. < 1248638205 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We who program in lower-level languages call that uint_32. < 1248638206 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell putStrLn "\202\157jao\204\175" < 1248638207 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: true < 1248638208 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ʝjao̯ < 1248638212 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Success! < 1248638217 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I could choose the transport encoding we used, I would choose UCS-4. < 1248638224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no reason for such anglo-centricity. < 1248638228 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But backwards compatibility, < 1248638229 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How 'bout UCS-4.gz :P < 1248638230 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and popularity, < 1248638231 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dictate. < 1248638232 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip70-162-187-246.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1248638234 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell print "ʝ" < 1248638234 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can we all agree on UCS-4.gz? < 1248638237 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So UTF-8 it is. < 1248638773 0 :augur!n=augur@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1248638881 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bash.org/?482717 <-- bahahah, this is too brilliant < 1248639004 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1248639097 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1248639247 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1248639289 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::E < 1248639294 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1248639313 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1248639314 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1248639532 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm glad you all enjoyed that quote so much. < 1248639575 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1248639588 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'lo < 1248639653 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I'm quite happy with ubuntu. Just one thing: I need a kernel patch to make the hard disk protection thingy work. Not a kernel module, but a patch to the SATA controller driver thingy. Any hints for how to do this under Ubuntu? < 1248639671 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't. < 1248639674 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, or I could upgrade to 2.6.31-rc4 to make it work < 1248639679 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly. < 1248639720 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that isn't in ubuntu yet though :P < 1248639740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You report a bug asking for it to be backported. < 1248639749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, point is: everything works except sending the "park the damn head NOW!!" message to the disk < 1248639756 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1248639814 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, the ubuntu/debian package for the protection daemon has a README that tells debian and ubuntu users to patch their kernel if they want it to work. Doesn't say how though < 1248639833 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh and there is a fun opengl thing you can use to view the sensor. It shows a model of a generic laptop move around as you move the laptop < 1248639835 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Building one manually and putting it in /boot. < 1248639840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, that breaks easy updating and the like. < 1248639855 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: But, using apt you can get the source, do your patch, then tell apt to build it. < 1248639859 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And install that dpkg. < 1248639868 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As, e.g. kernelpackagename-sata-patch. < 1248639873 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is useful actually... Because the sensor is mounted differently in different models. I had to tell the driver mine was mounted with X inverted < 1248639876 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then remove it before upgrading to a new kernel. < 1248639893 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm thanks < 1248639907 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: But don't build the kernel yourself or use the stock source. < 1248639910 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's unlikely to go well. < 1248639913 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, now I know in what direction to look :) thanks a lot < 1248639917 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I realise that < 1248639921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Anyway, is it really important until the upgrade? < 1248639924 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a bit of a pain to do, and... < 1248639968 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, btw I had to manually poke some configs to make Fn-F8 work. Ubuntu had a *broken* script for handling it < 1248639975 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fn-F8? < 1248639978 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :issue: it broke when they changed X to use HAL < 1248639991 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, supposed to disable the touchpad (but not the trackpoint) < 1248639996 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :useful when you are typing < 1248640010 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly it also disables the upper set of click buttons it seems. < 1248640015 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably a driver issue. Not sure < 1248640072 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's probably a feature. < 1248640079 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Anyway, you enjoying Ubuntu? This is with Gnome? < 1248640083 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who are you and what did you do to AnMaster? < 1248640087 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ewwwwww gnome < 1248640090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And, thank you for doing whatever it was.) < 1248640094 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well yes. I installed two KDE apps though: konsole and kate < 1248640101 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't live without those < 1248640108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :…Konsole is your KDE killer app? < 1248640118 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's… just a terminal! < 1248640119 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, there are more: < 1248640127 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k3b for example < 1248640139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yeah, but Brasero etc. < 1248640147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't see how Konsole possibly does anything that another terminal doesn't. < 1248640153 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, looked at it, seems to lack a lot of the stuff you can do in k3b < 1248640168 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gnome lacks a lot of things, that's kinda the point. < 1248640177 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was the reason for you to run Ubuntu anyway? < 1248640177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think Brasero does most everything. < 1248640199 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, maybe I should take another look at it then < 1248640214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you explain what on earth Konsole does? I'm at a loss. < 1248640221 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: that this is a laptop and I need stuff like easy changing between different networks and so on to *just work* < 1248640236 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right < 1248640248 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BeholdMyGlory runs Arch on his laptop < 1248640257 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arch worked nicely but I couldn't get a network manager thingy to work well on it. Part of the issue is still on ubuntu though: Buggy wlan driver when WPA2-PSK is used < 1248640261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, because he wants to enlarge his e-glory! < 1248640263 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BADUM TISH < 1248640264 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, and it works perfectly fine! < 1248640265 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: It's a nice terminal. < 1248640276 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, you could've gone Kubuntu if you wanted KDE.. < 1248640286 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for now I recommend you avoid the iwlagn driver < 1248640293 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Killer app, though? < 1248640296 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that includes most modern intel wireless cards < 1248640299 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Tried wicd? < 1248640301 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, kate too < 1248640314 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnome-terminal does like… everything Konsole does. < 1248640318 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because neither does much at all < 1248640322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kate is, um, an editor. < 1248640328 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice if you like that sort of thing. < 1248640332 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BeholdMyGlory, yeah. After netcfg. Anyway the driver bug means you need a multi-minute timeout for wpa_supplicant < 1248640340 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something which ubuntu seems to have anyway < 1248640378 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kate is wonderful, I can see the point of wanting it < 1248640383 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :another nice thing about thinkpads is that you can tell the hardware to not charge battery more than x %, and only start charging if less than y % < 1248640390 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, I agree konsole is just another terminal < 1248640392 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is to prolong battery lifetime < 1248640405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: I can understand Kate, but Konsole's only extra features are things like transparency and silly colour schemes. < 1248640410 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Odd. < 1248640413 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting that to work under ubuntu required exactly as much fiddling as under arch linux < 1248640432 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes, doing highly custom things on Ubuntu isn't any easier. < 1248640435 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: And, of course, being a KDE application. < 1248640435 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, pretty much my thought, ehird < 1248640436 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1248640438 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu is easier for 90% of things < 1248640440 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, what about kbabel though? < 1248640449 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: More like an anti-feature. < 1248640449 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the best .po editor I ever used < 1248640450 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which counts for quite a bit if you want integrated applications. ;) < 1248640454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Qt is a nice toolkit, but… < 1248640457 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The KDE libraries? < 1248640460 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I much prefer Gnome's. < 1248640467 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: Yes, doing highly custom things on Ubuntu isn't any easier. <-- sometimes harder even. < 1248640471 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, on a non-desktop-environment system, I'd prefer Gnome things over KDE. < 1248640479 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes, well, "so don't do that". < 1248640495 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be much happier with either if they used Objective C. < 1248640501 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Ubuntu is easier when you want your computer to do what the folks behind Ubuntu want it to do. Kind of like Windows and Microsoft. < 1248640510 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BeholdMyGlory: You're an idiot. < 1248640511 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders how much a separate -dev package actually saves in disk space. And how much is wasted in extra metadata for a separate package...
< 1248640518 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both are probably insignificant < 1248640523 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, a troll. Also, a hateboy. < 1248640524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I guess for most packages < 1248640526 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ can be wrangled into being acceptable, but C... Urgh. < 1248640528 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hateboys are worse than fanboys… < 1248640537 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yeah, I'm talking about the end result. < 1248640541 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gobject is such an awful way of doing things. < 1248640542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Also— Vala. < 1248640549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's C# for GObject. < 1248640554 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: That is purely a matter of taste. < 1248640555 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BeholdMyGlory, be reasonable, it is much better than windows < 1248640563 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GObject's saner when you consider internals. < 1248640573 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, Ubuntu is JUST as flexible as Arch and Debian. < 1248640582 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just installed XP in virtualbox... < 1248640584 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just does things a certain way unless you change it. < 1248640588 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The end result, well. Both KDE and Gnome are decent, usable systems, which make different UI choices. < 1248640596 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you said XP used non-browser windows update too? < 1248640600 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I wouldn't really find KDE usable for day-to-day < 1248640600 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In SP3? < 1248640607 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :About as meaningful as Vi vs. Emacs. < 1248640607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: at least i remember it being so < 1248640608 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Well, okay, but still. I really feel less powerful when using Ubuntu desktop than when using Arch < 1248640610 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, fact: it doesn't. < 1248640619 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It sure did for me. < 1248640620 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/desktop // < 1248640633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BeholdMyGlory: Behold my glory. Feel less powerful. < 1248640639 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like you have a bit of a god complex thing going on there. < 1248640650 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I have it open atm. Yes there is the *auto update* thingy separate from the browser. But that is only "poll in background" at some point and download + install any updates < 1248640656 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't see a list of them it seems < 1248640657 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Hrm, okay. < 1248640665 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or tell it to "check for updates now" < 1248640665 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember seeing a list. < 1248640674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, well that's silly. < 1248640676 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well, I didn't get one... < 1248640682 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the computaar's jobe. < 1248640697 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well it isn't silly if you have a connection like ais does < 1248640712 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Not really, I just want my computer to do what I tell it to do, nothing more. No daemons starting by themselves without me making them do so, etc. < 1248640729 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BeholdMyGlory: That was meant to be a *disproof* of what I said?! < 1248640734 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BeholdMyGlory, err. What OS do you use? < 1248640746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: MagneticBitTwiddling 2009 edition < 1248640752 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Arch < 1248640755 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM IN CONTROL. I FEEL CALM WHEN I AM IN CONTROL. IT DOES MY BIDDING. < 1248640763 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOBODY ELSE SHALL ENTER MY ABODE. < 1248640766 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1248640857 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, another question is coming shortly. Please stand by while pastebin is loading on the laptop... < 1248640867 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, dear. < 1248640953 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, http://pastebin.com/d64c65732 <-- HOW? I'm the bash expert here and even I don't know < 1248640967 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Ahh, let me think. < 1248640968 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it was a function type would say so < 1248640973 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not < 1248640978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works for every package < 1248640981 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :automatically < 1248640987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: package is command-not-foun < 1248640987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d < 1248640996 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm interesting < 1248641001 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION checks man bash for that
< 1248641008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1248641010 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a bash feature < 1248641014 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an ubuntu package < 1248641018 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not hardcoded either < 1248641021 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it actually scans your local repo < 1248641030 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how does it hook into bash though... < 1248641033 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: function is "command-not-found" < 1248641037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm cehcking < 1248641038 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :checking < 1248641047 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :set | grep command-not <-- no matches < 1248641053 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and set lists functions < 1248641054 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1248641055 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay < 1248641057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind then < 1248641061 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: er, I think it's an executable < 1248641064 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try "command-not-found butt" < 1248641094 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, just gives regular bash message about not finding command-not-found.. Guess the name was something else < 1248641100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommandNotFoundMagic < 1248641105 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1248641105 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bash has a "command_not_found" handler that is called in the interactive mode when a command is not found. The first argument is the command that is not found. We hook a custom python script into it that has a database (gdbm or similar) with the available commands as keys and some information (like a list of packages it is in) as value. This lookup needs to be fast. This information is assembled from various sources: < 1248641108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so command_not_found < 1248641124 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[21:45:14] (jonas@~/scripts/sh)$ command_not_found_handle ac < 1248641125 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programmet "ac" är för närvarande inte installerat. Du kan installera det genom att ange: < 1248641125 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sudo apt-get install acct < 1248641130 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the one < 1248641152 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1248641159 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: anyway, does brasero not do what you wanted? < 1248641167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it is a function < 1248641170 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :type prints it < 1248641175 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1248641176 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh right forgot to look < 1248641178 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sec < 1248641197 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it doesn't, you should prolly report it as a bug in Launchpad; while Gnome apps themselves may not have many options, they should be able to produce any result that the "competition" can < 1248641205 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless they're specifically designed to do the simple, common case < 1248641213 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any languages that use the Latin alphabet but have no upper- and lower-case? < 1248641218 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Lojban < 1248641227 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any natural languages that use the Latin alphabet but have no upper- and lower-case? < 1248641232 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I can't see an option for making a CD bootable < 1248641233 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lojban is a natural language. < 1248641243 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in: making your own livecd < 1248641314 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure I k3b had it < 1248641318 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes I used that... once) < 1248641324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brasero can boot a burnable ISO < 1248641325 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not something I need a lot though < 1248641328 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't think you can set one < 1248641334 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes. But *creating* the iso < 1248641336 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to begin with < 1248641338 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah < 1248641344 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, for most purposes it looks like it is enough < 1248641359 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'll try and avoid mentioning that it'll be using wodim. :) < 1248641363 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH SHI— < 1248641392 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I did look for cdrecord and was slightly amused that it didn't include it < 1248641393 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1248641398 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it IS non-free… < 1248641400 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as that works on the computer *shrug* < 1248641407 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may be in the non-free repos or universe or sth < 1248641428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(use the Repository too thing in Preferences or Administration (I forget) to enable the extra repo(s)) < 1248641444 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, wodim had issues with the dvd drive in my desktop... < 1248641449 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1248641454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just noting about the repositories. < 1248641470 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as the app works... < 1248641484 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, from Wikipedia: < 1248641486 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Cdrtools - why do Linux distributions create bad forks?, essay from Jörg Schilling referring to cdrkit without mentioning its name]] < 1248641494 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the passive-aggressive equivalent of writing a novel without the letter e! < 1248641497 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, old < 1248641514 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, point is. they did mess it up. As my own experience showed :P < 1248641533 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also known as "bugs". < 1248641544 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, regression one too < 1248641567 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw about bootable in k3b... I can't find the option any more... The dialogs changed layout since back then. It was back on 3.5.6 or so < 1248641568 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I assume cfunge has never had a regression :P < 1248641577 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the k3b on my desktop is 3.5.10 nowdays) < 1248641581 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just hidden somewhere I guess < 1248641610 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, of course it had. < 1248641626 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Your English just regressed. < 1248641737 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I just came up with one thing that I suspect neither braswhatever or k3b can do: hybrid cds < 1248641746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Braswhatever. < 1248641751 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in ISO/HFS < 1248641755 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for Mac OS < 1248641759 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if OS X use them too < 1248641764 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pre-OS X did < 1248641775 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I ever needed such a cd < 1248641784 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... dearly miss that feature :-P < 1248641789 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\.{3}/…/ < 1248641799 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, does OS X still use it? Or did it drop it? < 1248641806 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it uses it. < 1248641817 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1248641836 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right it probably uses .DS_Store or similar to store the needed metadata nowdays < 1248641871 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.DS_Store is the bane of my existence. < 1248641876 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I could totally obliterate it. < 1248641904 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that is why I avoid inserting any removable media in any mac. < 1248641906 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1248641915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some other ones right? < 1248641920 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.Trash or such? < 1248641926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's in ~. < 1248641941 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I don't think it puts .DS_Store on removable media. < 1248641943 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure, though. < 1248641949 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, sure does. < 1248641951 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seen it < 1248641953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you actually do shit to the files in Finder, it won't add them, anyway. < 1248641966 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Oh, right; TinkerTool can turn that off, though. < 1248641975 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pre-OS X created a different set of directories files on everything < 1248641980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to remember
< 1248641986 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, that's just over a network < 1248641988 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever < 1248641988 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know for a fact that mkisofs can do that. < 1248642017 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And thus wodim can. < 1248642046 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mkisofs -hfs foo bar baz -o foo.iso < 1248642052 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same with wodim :P < 1248642081 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eglibc is a libc whose feature is "No Drepper". wodim is a CD recorder whose features are "No Schilling" and "regressions". < 1248642083 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1248642146 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, k3b hasn't been updated for KDE 4. < 1248642158 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On FAT, pre-OS X created: TheVolumeSettingPref? Something like that. And RESOURCE.FRK? < 1248642158 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my estimation, "No Drepper" is a killer feature. < 1248642161 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff like that < 1248642175 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a few more files iirc < 1248642192 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what KDE 4's biggest stupidity is? < 1248642199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fucking blue active window shadow. < 1248642202 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHADOWS DO NOT WORK LIKE THAT. < 1248642208 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO, I DON'T CARE IF THEY'RE NEON SHADOWS! < 1248642212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's FUGLY! < 1248642215 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, FindByContent tooo! < 1248642218 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too* < 1248642220 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was another one < 1248642227 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Schilling? < 1248642236 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jörg_Schilling < 1248642243 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah found a list in: http://www.wellesley.edu/Computing/OSX/Intro/introOSX.html < 1248642247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: tl;dr — < 1248642250 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :similar to tuomov wrt licensing < 1248642255 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hates distros doing anything to his software < 1248642257 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :search for "TheVolumeSettings" to get to the right part < 1248642257 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whiny troll < 1248642259 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1248642268 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Huh, k3b hasn't been updated for KDE 4. <-- huh indeed < 1248642282 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : It's FUGLY! <-- change theme? < 1248642286 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess they're debating whether to rename it to k4b. < 1248642293 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: They should fix the existing theme :P < 1248642300 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, they're just very slow to port. < 1248642313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like Konversation. < 1248642319 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh btw I had to turn off compiz. 3D acceleration for vbox guests is known broken if host is using compiz < 1248642322 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KDE 4.3 has a different theme, BTW. < 1248642323 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was easy though < 1248642329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no it doesn't < 1248642331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just change to "no effects" and it used metacity < 1248642332 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've looked at the screenshot < 1248642338 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever the name was < 1248642341 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of the normal gnome one < 1248642342 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Which one? < 1248642356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Metacity can do compositing stuff itself nowadays, iirc. < 1248642360 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may not be compiz. < 1248642372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://kde.org/announcements/announce_4.3-beta1/kcontrol4.png < 1248642406 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gnome Do looks like Quicksilver for Gnome. < 1248642416 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a Good Thing. < 1248642419 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sincerely hope they just hadn't stuck the new theme in the beta. < 1248642424 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully it's more stable... < 1248642427 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well, it worked fine under metacity. A bit less effects. Seems I can't drag windows between virtual desktops by dragging them to the edge any more < 1248642428 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1248642430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what did it look like? < 1248642433 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because if they're shipping that in final, I'm stabbing someone. < 1248642442 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "A bit less effects." aaaaargh < 1248642443 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3D in virtualbox seems to work < 1248642445 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Like Oxygen with less fugly. < 1248642459 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well. The effects enabled on the "normal" setting were not too intrusive < 1248642462 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could live with it < 1248642464 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Plasma theme saw much more work. < 1248642467 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That is not helpful :P < 1248642483 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I meant the grammar. < 1248642488 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Called "Ozone". < 1248642504 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh right. Did I treat "effects" as an uncountable? < 1248642506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=39826 not this one, presumably < 1248642529 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes I think I did < 1248642530 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah. The KDE 4.3 RC announcement is using a beta screenshot. < 1248642533 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I don't even know, but it should be "A little fewer effects." or something. < 1248642536 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still sounds a bit awkward < 1248642542 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, indeed as an uncountable then < 1248642557 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://news.softpedia.com/images/extra/LINUX/large/kde43rc1-large_001.jpg < 1248642557 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that? < 1248642560 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, uncountable: like "water" or "milk" (you can't say, "a"/"an" about them) < 1248642571 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ah, right. < 1248642579 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: http://kde.org/announcements/announce_4.3-beta1/plasma.png This at least shows the new Plasma stuff. < 1248642590 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would never use Plasma, ever < 1248642595 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, "a bit less milk" would have been correct I believe (though rather odd in the context ;) < 1248642596 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate desktop widgets < 1248642601 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I did... yesterday. Horrible. < 1248642607 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well KDE4 I mean < 1248642608 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1248642612 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :day before yesterday? < 1248642613 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1248642614 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever < 1248642615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KDE 4 is OK; widgets are not. < 1248642631 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The KDE panel is *also* Plasma. < 1248642634 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Let's place useless gadgets… on the place you cover with all your actual stuff!" < 1248642636 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"HURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR" < 1248642669 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, synaptic package list (category listing) seems to come in three flavours: 1) "foo" 2) "foo (universe)" 3) "foo (multiverse)" < 1248642672 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell is that about < 1248642676 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: different repos. < 1248642689 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah. What is the diff between them < 1248642695 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Open the repository manager thing in, I think, Administration; it has explanatory text. < 1248642704 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, *looks for it* < 1248642723 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, "program sources"? < 1248642732 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps. < 1248642736 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that seems to be mirror server setting < 1248642742 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah and that too < 1248642751 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that = repos < 1248642774 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ok... now why on earth is the linux kernel in "restricted"? < 1248642788 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: What? < 1248642799 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Ubuntu add binary blob WiFi drivers and the like. < 1248642800 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HURR MAKE NO SENSE YAY. < 1248642802 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait maybe I misread < 1248642804 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks again
< 1248642808 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you did. < 1248642868 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I did. It is just that it installed "linux-restricted-modules-2.6.18-13-generic" by default. And when I was looking there yesterday it was middle of night. 5 minutes before I decided to go to bed < 1248642878 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :explains it < 1248642938 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1248642948 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any way to tell ubuntu to turn off bluetooth by default < 1248642955 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1248642962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, look in the regular places. < 1248642963 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, battery time < 1248642971 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it'll affect that much. < 1248642975 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and easy to forget to turn it off every time it wakes up < 1248643049 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, powertop thinks it is roughly half a watt. And powertop running on idle system (on battery) is roughly 11.5 W < 1248643056 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with wireless turned on < 1248643067 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a lot no, but I want to maximise battery time < 1248643073 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Okay, now, half a watt will get you seconds. < 1248643075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I mean seconds < 1248643084 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not worth crippling in any way for. < 1248643102 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You already have the extra battery cells. < 1248643112 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, battery time estimate jumped up by about 10 minutes after I turned bluetooth off though < 1248643114 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1248643118 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1248643137 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so I guess either the "half watt" is very aprox. Or your calculation is off < 1248643157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: consider that your CPU takes up 35 watts < 1248643158 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the estimated time is wrong < 1248643162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard drive, 10 watts < 1248643166 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe less < 1248643173 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RAM, about two watts per stick < 1248643186 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, um. if total system drain on battery was calculated to 11 W. CPU can't be 35 W then < 1248643192 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: at load. < 1248643206 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HD will be about 3w at idle < 1248643228 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well true. But I suspect most of the time I will actually just type during lectures and such < 1248643232 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well both of course < 1248643246 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it won't be full load < 1248643267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just saying that half a watt is rather pointless. < 1248643303 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, btw virtualbox is strange. It forwarded the battery status to the VM... < 1248643307 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes really < 1248643315 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not strange. < 1248643317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's well-integrated. < 1248643338 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you install the driver things, the cursor movement is fluid, too. < 1248643342 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As it uses the host's. < 1248643353 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: a lot of VMs can also, given a Windows guest, integrate those Windows. < 1248643357 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well, I wonder if it will let the VM change anything... < 1248643358 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., they hover like normal windows < 1248643360 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use the same taskbar < 1248643367 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same taskbar icon set etc < 1248643369 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so I bet windows will mess stuff up < 1248643377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, about that integration thingy: Not very < 1248643380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are mostly the paid ones like Parallels and VMWare Fusion for the Mac < 1248643381 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure it worked. BUT: < 1248643393 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got the start menu bard just above the gnome task bar < 1248643394 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It won't let it do anything to the host, no. < 1248643397 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in double task bars < 1248643400 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do it, with some effort. < 1248643403 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not what I expected < 1248643405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you have to explicitly let it. < 1248643421 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yeah, the Mac VM products generally add a dock button that opens the Start menu. < 1248643430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And use dock icons for applications, etc. < 1248643441 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well not just start menu. The whole windows taskbar thingy < 1248643446 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. < 1248643447 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with start menu and so on < 1248643453 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was saying how better-integrating products do it. < 1248643510 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lispm.dyndns.org/symbolics-ui-examples/Bild-95.png < 1248643551 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, btw, I managed to get windows XP to use the SATA controller in virtualbox (yes I got the binary version since I need USB support too)... Was quite fun < 1248643573 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you use a package for the binary one or downloaded it? < 1248643576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Ubuntu has a package for it < 1248643601 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I checked: no package for it. Not even in restricted. Or searching for "virtualbox" and checking the full list didn't turn it up at least < 1248643610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: The open source one is -ose. < 1248643615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The regular virtualbox one is the closed source one. < 1248643618 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes that one is there < 1248643618 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right in front of you, I'd guess. < 1248643624 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there is no non-ose < 1248643638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Did you enable the other repository in Software Sources? < 1248643644 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*repositories, maybe < 1248643645 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, which one? < 1248643654 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are many < 1248643662 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, there's about 4. < 1248643676 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well all four on the first page are enabled < 1248643682 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, then. < 1248643687 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is: main, universe, restricted, multiverse < 1248643726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Well, I assume you used the .deb from Sun, anyway. < 1248643732 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As opposed to wantonly make installing. < 1248643747 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I used the *.deb from them yes < 1248643766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should know I'm obsessed with "everything should be known by package manager" < 1248643771 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it is in ~/local < 1248643781 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Aha! But! < 1248643782 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure we "discussed" that before in here :P < 1248643783 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :checkinstall. < 1248643799 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, is that the "create package on fly" one? Right? < 1248643802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1248643807 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~/local instantly evaporates in the face the of pulverising package manager dictatorship!! < 1248643811 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*of the < 1248643825 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, except ~/local is nice for multiple versions side by side in a painless way < 1248643843 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. But that's rare. < 1248643858 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1248643864 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I test cfunge under old gcc too. Back to 3.4 < 1248643869 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-042-116.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1248643873 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gentoo installs them side by side < 1248643878 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are multiple-version gcc packages in Debian/Ubuntu < 1248643878 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I guess so can ubuntu < 1248643881 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1248643889 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: How 'bout EGCS? < 1248643891 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, indeed. But there are other packages like that. What about bash? < 1248643901 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you want to check your shell script works in old versions < 1248643940 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have bash 3.0, 3.1, 3.2, 4.0 (last sub version for each as of about two weeks ago) < 1248643949 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ponders vpn
< 1248643968 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should learn how it works. Probably easier to *use* than ssh tunnel? < 1248643981 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, I don't even go back to pre-3.4 so :P < 1248644023 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION takes out an "office xp" cd
< 1248644025 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, :P < 1248644049 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1248644134 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw the cd here is annoying ehird < 1248644135 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :know why? < 1248644139 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got ~/local mostly in use for scripts. < 1248644141 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it spins down very quickly < 1248644149 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in. half a second maybe one second < 1248644157 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irritating if you are installing a cd or such < 1248644166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sound constantly changes < 1248644176 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure better while on battery for the battery power I guess < 1248644180 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm on AC now... < 1248644318 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-042-116.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1248644447 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1248644756 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1248644767 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-042-116.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1248644939 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1248644958 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-042-116.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1248645452 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, my scripts are in ~/bin < 1248645462 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~/local/bin. < 1248645463 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually < 1248645491 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I use ~/local/// as --prefix < 1248645509 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually use the version bit always nowdays < 1248645555 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most stuff in ~/local are large and complex programs.~/local/wesnoth/svn, ~/local/llvm/svn and such that installs lots of files in --prefix < 1248645639 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~/local/valgrind/svn too. valgrind hardcodes paths into the binaries at build time. < 1248645652 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for rather good reasons that are too complex to explain atm < 1248645744 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ubuntus help app thingy crashed < 1248645748 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigsegv < 1248645749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1248645752 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1248645757 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnome's too I guess < 1248645772 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :system logs says the binary was "yelp" < 1248645826 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1248645838 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-042-116.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1248646215 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1248646226 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-042-116.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1248646251 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1248646655 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`define yelp < 1248646657 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* bark in a high-pitched tone; "the puppies yelped" \ * yip: a sharp high-pitched cry (especially by a dog) \ [17]wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn < 1248646798 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also gnome help browser thingy < 1248646972 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1248646983 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-042-116.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1248647434 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: did you send the crash report? < 1248647570 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, didn't get any dialog about the crash < 1248647572 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no < 1248647584 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: might have done it automatically < 1248647603 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the release of Ubuntu 6.10, Ubuntu includes Apport[6]. < 1248647603 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apport works by installing a userspace helper which intercepts user processes when they would usually dump core, and writes crash reports to a staging location. A user daemon then invites the user to submit new crash reports to Ubuntu for analysis.[7] < 1248647605 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, Microsoft at least asks first. At least in XP < 1248647606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apport is disabled by default on official end-user-facing releases of Ubuntu. < 1248647615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: if it's anonymous it doesn't really matter < 1248647616 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1248647628 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well coredump could contain passwords and such < 1248647629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crash reports are a nice way of reporting bugs < 1248647636 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just automatically *poof*! < 1248647640 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway: can't reproduce < 1248647651 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: could easily have a tag on stuff. < 1248647651 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1248647661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :APPORT_REDACT char *pw; < 1248647674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport seems you can just choose < 1248647679 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um? In the source code? For every program? < 1248647686 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess they could do that < 1248647689 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: obviously as part of a desktop environment < 1248647704 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tagging values like that is a good idea for other things too anyway < 1248647714 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*anyhow, perhaps < 1248647717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the word anyhow < 1248647717 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure I would want to check the whole source code of large apps if I was a package maintainer. < 1248647724 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lets say: read every line in wireshark? < 1248647728 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not a good example < 1248647734 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: wireshark isn't part of Gnome. < 1248647739 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about firefox or thunderbird < 1248647747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also not part of gnome < 1248647748 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ok. So it only applies to official gnome apps? < 1248647750 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prompt for those < 1248647754 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: opt-in, rather < 1248647767 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but all official gnome apps would, yeah < 1248647785 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: remember that all law-abiding gnome apps already adhere to something far more precise < 1248647787 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the HIG < 1248647801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fact: the HIG dictates that windows should be as close to 1:phi in size as possible < 1248647804 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(width:height) < 1248648090 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/imgs/dinosaurComic.php < 1248648142 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: make a neural network for rating dinosaur comics based on their pixel colour codes < 1248648151 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X_X < 1248648155 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically what you're doing with colormatcher but that's only 1x1 < 1248648163 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're a fucking retard. < 1248648164 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Period. < 1248648187 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Dude, that's gross. Why would I have sex with a mentally disabled person on their period? < 1248648199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Low blow, man. < 1248648201 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, you tell me, you're the one that's doing it. < 1248648210 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you said I was! < 1248648230 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am a beautiful flower. < 1248648233 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beautiful, and sinless. < 1248648264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not cos(less), though. < 1248648267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HYUK HYUK HYUK < 1248648277 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn i was _just_ going to say that < 1248648282 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1248648290 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: it's not very nice to call people retards. < 1248648302 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you do realise you did that to me before ignoring me, right? :D < 1248648310 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: It's not intended to be nice. It's intended to be an insult. So, "duh"? < 1248648342 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes that the "retired" meme hasn't spread here. probably been retired because it was retired.
< 1248648366 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i was just joking, but it's not very nice to insult people either < 1248648372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it has spread here. < 1248648374 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a few seconds. < 1248648376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By me. < 1248648381 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1248648389 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't think that's spreading, you're retired. < 1248648391 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...ah? < 1248648401 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right i should really try to remember ehird < 1248648401 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: See, this is what you get for ignoring people! < 1248648403 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1248648406 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They were just born without oxygen. < 1248648419 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is kind of hard to work without oxygen, i think < 1248648427 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vacuumitis < 1248648457 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : oklopol: See, this is what you get for ignoring people! <<< yes, that's why i only do it as a last resort < 1248648457 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vacyourmomitis. < 1248648461 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(warning: not up to my usual latin grammar standards) < 1248648467 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: evidently you have failed at your task < 1248648468 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1248648470 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you MENTALLY ignoring me? < 1248648473 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be some feat < 1248648481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just clogging, which, y'know, isn't really ignoring < 1248648483 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we all know oklopol has mental feats < 1248648491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you're mentally ignoring me and didn't notice I said anything and thus got confused, that's amazing < 1248648595 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i'm reading logs, yes, i do want to know what you say, it's about controlling the amount of interaction. < 1248648620 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: will you marry me? FAIL TO INTERACT AT *THAT*! < 1248648650 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gay pedastric marriage ... PROBABLY not legal. < 1248648668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Guess what other love wasn't legal? < 1248648670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALAN TURING'S. < 1248648678 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turing < 1248648680 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARGH < 1248648682 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Turing's law, I know, I know.) < 1248648682 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WAS ACTUALLY TYPING THAT < 1248648685 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1248648698 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was actually typing "Turing's ... for, uh, that guy?" < 1248648706 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turing for oklopol. < 1248648711 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Turing's < 1248648898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: by silently not interacting, you're interacting very loudly < 1248649101 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh got permission denied as root on ubuntu when accessing /home//.gvfs ... found it due to some root command running find and that reporting an error < 1248649166 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Check logs for AVC denials? < 1248649179 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, AVC is? SELinux? < 1248649192 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Access Vector Cache. Part of SELinux. < 1248649198 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ubuntu doesn't use selinux... < 1248649199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik < 1248649215 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, selinux isn't enabled... though /selinux exists. But there are no files in there < 1248649251 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: What 'ls -ld' says about it? < 1248649263 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: is this on the ubuntu machine? < 1248649267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess not. < 1248649272 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, as normal user? nothing. As root: permission denined < 1248649277 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes ubuntu < 1248649292 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, on -l too sec... < 1248649295 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: /selinux shouldn't exist… < 1248649299 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh* < 1248649321 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, dr-x------ for permissions < 1248649346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, check your livecd with 9.04? < 1248649349 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Huh, ls should say something about it if it exists... < 1248649349 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Reconnecting" < 1248649352 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it is there too < 1248649352 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: lazy < 1248649353 0 :Ilari!n=user@a88-113-39-59.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1248649356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but selinux is an optional in ubuntu < 1248649359 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as i know < 1248649360 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, yes I misunderstood you < 1248649362 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i doubt it's enabled < 1248649363 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in ls -l < 1248649383 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, copy paste to irc is a bit painful. haven't set up irc on it yet at all < 1248649391 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so irc is on different computer < 1248649395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd take two seconds... < 1248649400 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\.{3}/…/ < 1248649401 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, indeed it is disabled < 1248649414 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Applications → Install/Remove → XChat Gnome → Tick → Install → Double click. < 1248649416 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, really? bouncer is set to listen to 127.0.0.1 ... < 1248649418 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It even preconnects to Freenode. < 1248649423 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, irc.ubuntu.com; same thing.) < 1248649423 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on my desktop < 1248649429 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a bit more < 1248649431 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: works as a temporary solution, no? < 1248649437 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yep < 1248649438 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to using a pastebin or manually retyping < 1248649516 0 :anmaster_ub!n=AnMaster@d83-177-5-115.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1248649520 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here we go < 1248649530 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: < 1248649531 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arvid@dragon:~$ ls -ld .gvfs/ < 1248649532 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dr-x------ 2 arvid arvid 0 Jul 26 21:19 .gvfs/ < 1248649544 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arvid@dragon:~$ sudo ls -ld .gvfs < 1248649544 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access .gvfs: Permission denied < 1248649550 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 size directory, huh? < 1248649557 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster_ub: your client doth not respond to version! < 1248649568 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, err? < 1248649573 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it is xchat anyway < 1248649575 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug* < 1248649576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'struth < 1248649583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also xchat gnome > xchat >_> < 1248649597 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it uses Swedish dict with no alternative to change < 1248649605 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION needs newer xchat to be able to use xchat then
< 1248649629 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, ext4 issues? < 1248649632 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea < 1248649650 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arvid@dragon:~$ file .gvfs/ < 1248649651 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.gvfs/: directory < 1248649665 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, anyway the directory is empty < 1248649685 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe I should fsck from live cd... < 1248649693 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe empty directory appears as 0 size on Ext4. Some filesystems have empty directories appear as size >0 (Reiserfs has 48 bytes for empty dir). < 1248649709 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nop: < 1248649724 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arvid@dragon:~$ mkdir tmp < 1248649728 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arvid@dragon:~$ ls -ld tmp < 1248649728 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :drwxr-xr-x 2 arvid arvid 4096 Jul 27 00:08 tmp < 1248649760 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc gvfs is some "gnome virtual filesystem" thingy < 1248649769 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can't imagine it fucking things up that much < 1248649778 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait *looks at /proc/mounts* < 1248649783 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster_ub: Fuse? < 1248649788 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, yes < 1248649791 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gvfs-fuse-daemon /home/arvid/.gvfs fuse.gvfs-fuse-daemon rw,nosuid,nodev,user_id=1000,group_id=1000 0 0 < 1248649804 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what it is good for < 1248649842 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, xchat-gnome package desc: "GNOME's philosophy in terms of user interfaces has been progressing towards < 1248649843 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presenting the user with few options, yet sane defaults. While many of the < 1248649843 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :normal X-Chat options will be preserved inside GConf, only the most common < 1248649843 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :settings will be included in the main user interface." < 1248649846 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sorry for spam) < 1248649850 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster_ub: Well, that might explain the EACCESS. < 1248649857 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway when I use xchat I tend to change nearly all the options < 1248649866 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster_ub: Yes, but xchat-gnome's defaults are less retarded. < 1248649885 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I'll give it a try but I'm not optimistic < 1248649894 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, yes... nfs seems to do that too to root btw < 1248649896 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. GVFS is the FUSE binding to the GNOME virtual filesystem. < 1248649902 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1248649906 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what is it good for < 1248649915 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Accessing gnome virtual filesystems. < 1248649947 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what are those? < 1248649957 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Filesystems in Gnome that are not actual local filesystems. < 1248649967 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1248649970 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you mean like nfs and such? < 1248649972 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, ais523. < 1248649974 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@77-100-194-169.cable.ubr04.pres.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1248649975 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather < 1248649977 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like sshfs? < 1248649981 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and similar < 1248649983 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most everything Nautilus can browse that is not actually mounted. < 1248649993 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I haven't used nautilus much yet... < 1248649999 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :feel much more at home in a good terminal < 1248650005 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You might want to leave, the universe is being destroyed. Specifically, AnMaster is using Ubuntu and Gnome and being relatively okay with it. < 1248650009 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster_ub: You know KDE's KIO? That, but GNOME. < 1248650017 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's kind of embarrassing watching the universe be destroyed, you know? < 1248650024 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, to me konq is mostly a web browser... < 1248650029 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: is there an emoticon to indicate that you might be slightly stroppy due to events in RL, and are generally annoyed, but not at anybody in this channel? < 1248650031 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there is, I use it < 1248650037 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hi < 1248650039 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, "/part" < 1248650045 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: no, it's sort of the opposite < 1248650045 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, does xchat-gnome in ubuntu support multiple languages for spell checking *and allows you to change on the fly at runtime* < 1248650053 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Stops it affecting anyone else < 1248650057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster_ub: That's handled by Gnome. < 1248650058 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ah, fair enough < 1248650061 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ...? < 1248650070 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster_ub: Spelling correction is Gnome-wide. < 1248650076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I was joking, though < 1248650081 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well I want different languages for different channels < 1248650091 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I need to either store it per channel or change on the fly < 1248650091 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster_ub: Stop making typos < 1248650098 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster_ub: Anyway, look in Gnome settings. < 1248650100 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, newer xchat has the feature < 1248650104 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's probably a way to use both dictionaries. < 1248650106 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the context menu < 1248650116 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this xchat on ubuntu is too old < 1248650127 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wrong compile time options < 1248650130 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xchat-gnome was last released in 2007 :P < 1248650133 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah too old < 1248650140 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although there's been an svn commit as recently as three months ago.) < 1248650141 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait < 1248650149 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1248650166 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, four days, even. < 1248650172 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://git.gnome.org/cgit/xchat-gnome/log/ < 1248650176 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it only works when compiled against aspell directly. As opposed to for example gnome-spelling < 1248650178 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever < 1248650184 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for stock xchat < 1248650193 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster_ub: Just see if you can use two dictionaries globally at once in Gnome. < 1248650194 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'll do the trick. < 1248650208 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, where would the setting be hidden? < 1248650219 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That kind of thing wouldn't go in GConf. < 1248650221 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably in Preferences. < 1248650232 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you mean as in a union of two dicts? < 1248650237 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1248650250 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless "tho" → "the" is an insanely common Swedish typo you make or something it should work fine. < 1248650255 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is highly useless. Means I won't notice telephone/telefon (one is English, the other Swedish) < 1248650270 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of an elegant way to do it system-wide /shrug < 1248650280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I'm going to assume that Swedish people know what telephone means. < 1248650285 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, typing ph instead of f is pretty damn hard. < 1248650286 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, recompile xchat against stock aspell backend seems like the only way :P < 1248650323 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no... I often mix up what language I'm typing in when talking in *Swedish* channels :P < 1248650357 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that's okay. Anyway, let me introduce myself, for mi'e ,Eli.at.xrd. < 1248650362 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*eli < 1248650367 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: what, you're learning Lojban? < 1248650378 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually more surprised at that than at AnMaster using Ubuntu < 1248650384 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shouldn't there be a la in there? < 1248650387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: No, I learned how to introduce myself and say "I say ''" in 2007 < 1248650389 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1248650391 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\n\././ < 1248650397 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah wait... not against aspell directly... *against gtkspell* ... < 1248650399 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to learn Lojban sometime, though. < 1248650401 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is clueless
< 1248650402 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Why's it surprising, anyway? < 1248650403 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :misread ebuild on gentoo < 1248650410 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: 'xrd' is a great way to spell your surname < 1248650410 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I learned a bit of lojban a while ago < 1248650418 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: There's a more accurate way, iirc. < 1248650422 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal came up with it or something. < 1248650425 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That may have been for my first name. < 1248650426 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster_ub: I suspect Ubuntu will learn a lot from you < 1248650430 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway now to figure out how in ubuntu. Hopefully this won't involve recompiling... or ehird will go mad < 1248650438 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can say the man is a woman. le nanmu cu ninmu < 1248650440 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: No, he'll try and teach them something and they'll call him bonkers :-P < 1248650449 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ah yes < 1248650453 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean 'could', not 'will' < 1248650464 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is annoyed at Ubuntu's typical bug response
< 1248650464 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"OK, now that I can use a language per channel, I'd like to be able to switch dictionaries mid-sentence." < 1248650469 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's considerably worse than Debian's < 1248650470 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"…I hate you, Norlander." < 1248650473 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway I want things to work... And I thought ubuntu was all about *sane defaults* < 1248650477 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster_ub: It is! < 1248650479 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which they managed rather well < 1248650480 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're just not sane. < 1248650481 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not here < 1248650493 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, English + native language is rather common < 1248650497 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are just from UK < 1248650500 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm joking, sheesh. < 1248650506 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster_ub: I'd say that wanting to use multiple languages in one situation can't possibly be a default < 1248650513 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you're complaining about is that it can't easily be customised < 1248650533 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I just want to be able to change dict for spell checking in xchat on the fly < 1248650537 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works on gentoo < 1248650546 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you right click input field < 1248650551 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet it doesn't in ubuntu < 1248650553 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but Ubuntu make X-Chat use the Gnome spelling correction. < 1248650560 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that, you know, things are CONSISTENT and INTEGRATED. < 1248650565 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is… kind of the point. < 1248650567 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and that is not gtkspell? < 1248650570 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway, why is me learning Lojban surprising? < 1248650576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster_ub: I don't know. < 1248650581 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: just I have a mental list of Lojban users, and you aren't on it < 1248650583 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither am I, fwiw < 1248650594 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lojban is awesome. < 1248650604 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to ask #lojban how best to Lojbanise my name now. < 1248650622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "xrd" does annoy me a bit; I seem to recall the problem is that Lojban simply doesn't have an h. < 1248650623 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, ' is h. < 1248650626 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's punctuation. < 1248650629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of. < 1248650635 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe no "i". < 1248650635 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, same as ancient greek < 1248650639 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait lets see if this works brb < 1248650639 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :h was an accent over vowels < 1248650642 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, wait. < 1248650643 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than a letter < 1248650646 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has "i", but it's "ee". < 1248650650 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not "eye". < 1248650658 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"L�mnar" < 1248650664 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hurd" would be closer to the pronouciation you want, wouldn't it be? < 1248650670 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking l10n quit message... < 1248650670 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or am I wrong as to how to say your name? < 1248650686 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'm relatively sure the default quit message /can/ be changed < 1248650702 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e'erd < 1248650704 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1248650706 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes... just the defaults... < 1248650717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, it defaulted to using the language everything else does. < 1248650719 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crazy! < 1248650719 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway ubuntu would be horrible on a desktop < 1248650725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :…………………………………what? < 1248650731 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good for laptops with changing configuration and so on < 1248650741 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a desktop? You don't connect to different networks all the time < 1248650742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you mean "I hate Ubuntu but can tolerate it here". < 1248650744 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1248650752 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not "Ubuntu would be objectively terrible on non-portable computers". < 1248650758 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I think I see AnMaster's point here < 1248650759 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I think arch and gentoo > ubuntu when it is on desktops. < 1248650771 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu is what you'd stick onto a hard-drive that repeatedly got placed into lots of different computers < 1248650778 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than gentoo < 1248650779 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason I want ubuntu on a laptop is that stuff like suspending and so on works more or less out of the box < 1248650783 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I see his point, it's just really stupid; Ubuntu's and Gnome's integration does NOT stop at "you can change networks easily", at all. < 1248650784 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for what should be blindingly obvious reasons < 1248650795 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yes, but that's what's important for him < 1248650797 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that too < 1248650802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: are you only ignoring me in here? :D < 1248650817 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a portable install on a usb stick? Ubuntu unless it is easier to cram gentoo into there < 1248650826 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know a non-gentoo live cd based on gentoo < 1248650827 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I tend to ignore that because experience shows his priorities are… uh… < 1248650830 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i realized you were right in that i should ignore you mentally < 1248650830 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for partitioning and such < 1248650835 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :works rather well < 1248650849 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cannot miss the fact you highlighted me though, guess i should read that one < 1248650860 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except, well, that's exactly what i want to ignore i guess :D < 1248650865 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I apologise you and worship at the altar of your altarification. < 1248650870 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("I apologise you" :D) < 1248650874 0 :anmaster_ub!n=AnMaster@d83-177-5-115.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1248650880 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :urgh still broken... < 1248650941 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster_ub: To assure you have an eternal vitriolic hatred of xchat-gnome, note that it hides the user list unless you click "Users". :) < 1248650942 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: accepted i guess, i hate ignoring people. < 1248650950 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except mental ignoring is actually quite fun < 1248650955 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server" < 1248650978 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but as i only did it for about 5 minutes, can't say i'm very fluent < 1248650981 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I'm not using xchat-gnome atm... I'm going to try to figure this out first < 1248650984 0 :anmaster_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1248650995 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surprised he would even try after that. < 1248651006 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a long list of messages from non-ignored people, i tend to automatically start reading messages without checking nick < 1248651020 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can always tell from content anyway < 1248651022 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: just ignore messages with fnord in them. including this one. if you can start doing this while still ignoring this message, you're amazing. < 1248651033 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :requires you to also — fnord — know to do it before starting. < 1248651043 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which basically means half the time i'm reading the first few words of what i'm supposed to be ignoring < 1248651068 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i can ignore everything after fnord < 1248651077 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by not focusing my eyes on it < 1248651081 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: bah! < 1248651086 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you were meant to fnord ignore the previous parts too. < 1248651101 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically i'm supposed to forget what i read once i see the fnord? :P < 1248651126 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, a fnord wasn't supposed to prevent you reading the rest of the line < 1248651139 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not very good at forgetting stuff actively < 1248651149 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was just the fnord yourself you couldn't notice, but your eyes crossing one made you vaguely uncomfortable < 1248651163 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if enough fnords were sprinkled in something, you'd stop reading it and do something else < 1248651166 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no you're not meant to read it in the first place < 1248651173 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you do realize i stop reading after your fnords? < 1248651187 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll save you the fnord < 1248651190 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: right. i prefer sticking to stuff that's possible. < 1248651191 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1248651199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*meant to not < 1248651203 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't work the other way, sorta < 1248651204 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about doing it XML-style? Do you read this? What about this/ < 1248651224 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i skipped the in-between < 1248651239 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except i know what's in-between anyway < 1248651251 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure that's allowed either < 1248651298 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ais523: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xchat/+bug/129514 < 1248651306 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION grabs popcorn
< 1248651318 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: IME reporting a bug to Ubuntu has no effect < 1248651319 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn, you didn't report it < 1248651324 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no matter who reports it < 1248651327 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you're just bitter : < 1248651327 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1248651340 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well that was the wrong one... So much for googling for the same thing on the other computer < 1248651340 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/:\n:P/:P/ < 1248651347 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: kinda like voting doesn't matter huh < 1248651363 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: voting has a chance to matter when you do it < 1248651365 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, a small one < 1248651378 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure ubuntu bug reports have a greater chance of that :P < 1248651379 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can think of it this way: I vote due to the possibility that without me, there would be a draw < 1248651389 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's better than not voting < 1248651391 0 :GreaseMonkey!n=gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1248651398 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here we go for now: X forwarding from gentoo < 1248651399 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ^ < 1248651400 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1248651403 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you can effectively get more than one vote by trying to sway the opinions of others < 1248651427 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: OTOH, doing so subversively is evil < 1248651431 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i'm familiar with the basic things you can philosophize about voting. < 1248651436 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yes, I don't do so subversively < 1248651445 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get into interesting political discussions with people instead < 1248651467 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and talk about, say, how the Green Party has one of the saner technology policies out of all the parties in the EU elections < 1248651495 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd have political discussions with people but anyone too far to the right of me tends to be a dangerous psychopath and anyone too far to the left tends to have completely unimplementable idealist theories that irritate the hell out of me < 1248651511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's kinda hard to have an interesting political discussion when you both agree almost entirely on everything < 1248651530 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :politics is stupid < 1248651537 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((ais523: but the pirate party has the sanest)) < 1248651542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, digital copyright < 1248651545 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is basically a subset. < 1248651546 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pirates ARRRRRR < 1248651548 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: oh, quite possibly, but they weren't standing in the UK elections < 1248651553 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1248651555 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the UK EU elections < 1248651556 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that makes sense < 1248651575 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't, but the EU elections don't, either < 1248651579 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok now I have forwarded it < 1248651588 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :odd < 1248651594 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses the local theme settings < 1248651596 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for GTK < 1248651628 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that thing they need people's signatures for for making a party official < 1248651653 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: pregnancy < 1248651674 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :signed that for the finnish pirate party, because it was during a break between lectures, and i knew no one else would want to be the first to sign it < 1248651678 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, a party of lawyers? < 1248651680 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after me, half the people did :P < 1248651684 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shudder* < 1248651709 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no a paper, they collect like names, and when there's enough, they can become a party. or something like that. < 1248651715 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I hate lawyers because it's trendy < 1248651721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : So what if they're among the most intelligent people < 1248651726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : They're eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevil < 1248651737 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ? < 1248651744 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:41 AnMaster: oklopol, a party of lawyers? 23:41 AnMaster: *shudder* < 1248651748 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :laywer jokes are always acceptable < 1248651769 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also some sure are < 1248651780 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers" Shakespeare was totally hating on lawyers right? I'm fairly sure it was that Stop shattering my illusions < 1248651788 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: _some_ lawyers are among the most intelligent people? < 1248651790 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are laywers working for the FSF and such < 1248651796 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ... < 1248651800 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, about evilness < 1248651803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1248651804 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some are non-evil < 1248651806 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what I meant < 1248651848 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, but just look at SCO. And all the cease and desist letters sent to open source < 1248651851 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1248651861 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly evil lawyers are far from uncommon < 1248651867 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the programs in our uni for everything law related are incredibly hard and tons of fun, according to what i've heard, and what i'm sure about. < 1248651871 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idiotic swedes are far from uncommon < 1248651876 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source: AnMaster is in this channel < 1248651885 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and makes up a large percentage of the swedes (in this channel) < 1248651886 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :QED < 1248651891 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great argument, there. < 1248651909 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lojban update: .eli,yt.xyrd. is best < 1248651912 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/$/./ < 1248651916 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what about open source game *similar* to starcraft in the idea. that got a ceast and desist letter < 1248651920 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cease* < 1248651923 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot the name < 1248651933 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: And extrapolating from three examples, we can conclude that most lawyers are evil. < 1248651933 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so y is okay? < 1248651936 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Totally. < 1248651937 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway there are several others. Just use google < 1248651939 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: apparently < 1248651947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow! SEVERAL OTHER evil lawyers! < 1248651947 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I'm too lazy to dig up examples for you < 1248651955 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are also several evil secretaries. < 1248651963 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now let's all make jokes about secretaries being evil scum. < 1248651987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what about the lawyers of Boeing sending a DMCA notice to some author who had made a 3D model of some WW2 Boeing aircraft? < 1248651992 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was maybe half a year ago < 1248651995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a year at most < 1248652015 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think at, like, 50 examples, the fundamental nature of your argument will change and be a valid way of showing that most lawyers are evil? < 1248652016 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's nothing evil about exploiting the legal system :o < 1248652035 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1248652038 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, most lawyers involved with computer industry < 1248652042 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the law knows better < 1248652048 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is far from all of course < 1248652053 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION dances law dance
< 1248652055 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No, that's simply false and idiotic. < 1248652062 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Guess what happens when a lawyer is really evil? < 1248652066 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's reported on and made a fuss about. < 1248652070 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also I never claimed most before you suggested it < 1248652073 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Guess what happens when a lawyer is normal and decent? < 1248652077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOBODY FINDS OUT. < 1248652081 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just said it wasn't an insignificant percentage < 1248652086 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's the most common thing. < 1248652087 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that is true < 1248652096 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, but maybe they should work more on PR then < 1248652116 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Today in Sweden, a lawyer made reasoned legal arguments based on actual evidence." < 1248652119 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A press conference was held." < 1248652128 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway why do you seem to take this personally? < 1248652131 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really believe in evil, but that may not be much of a surprise < 1248652133 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1248652148 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't take it personally, but I take offence to your generalisation of a perfectly fine group of people. < 1248652156 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I take offence at a racist joke, am I black? < 1248652165 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or, fuck, white. Asian. Anything.) < 1248652195 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you joke about jews < 1248652201 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should take offence instead < 1248652207 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly < 1248652213 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I replace similar-sounding words like "uni" with "jewni". < 1248652226 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't say "As we all know, Jews are evil." < 1248652246 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you replaced "voyeur" with "lawyeur", I wouldn't be taking offence. < 1248652255 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I'd probably wonder wtf you're on about. < 1248652287 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jewtube? < 1248652306 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.jewtube.com/ < 1248652308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It… actually exists. < 1248652316 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEh < 1248652318 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh* < 1248652327 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's actually related to jewish videos < 1248652328 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn your fast internet connection < 1248652330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[JewTube is a free video sharing website comprising Jewish-oriented user-generated content. JewTube was founded by Jeremy Kossen, a Los Angeles-based entrepreneur. < 1248652331 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Visitors to the site can view videos on a wide array of Jewish-themed content, including everything from Jewish cooking to "alternative animated endings" to the Sacha Baron Cohen film, "Borat".[1] < 1248652333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google is challenging a New York City based company, NetParty, for the use of the name "JewTube", on trademark grounds. NetParty is not related or affiliated with the JewTube website.[2] In a related story, JewTube, having registered the JewTube domain a year before NetParty filed with the USPTO, also plans on contesting NetParty's LLC's filing.[3]]] < 1248652338 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes… Borat is… about Jewishness… < 1248652341 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just assumed it'd be spam < 1248652358 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not THAT fast < 1248652359 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Similarly, the Colbert Report is about catholicism. < 1248652411 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was borat the one where the dude was an iraXian superman < 1248652431 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iraxian. < 1248652442 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well as if i could remember which < 1248652444 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Kazakhstanian, actually. < 1248652447 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well right < 1248652449 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh... faster than I thought... 11.34 Mbit/s < 1248652527 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know even which country kazakhstan is < 1248652542 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's one that's more wide than it's tall < 1248652546 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's it < 1248652551 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the ninth largest in the world, apparently. < 1248652554 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1248652554 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kazakhstan_(orthographic_projection).svg < 1248652563 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not all that big. :P < 1248652579 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :best exporter of potassium < 1248652617 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their potassium is the BOMB, man. < 1248652621 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Totally potent shit. < 1248652688 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now if only that image loaded at least a tiny bit faster < 1248652701 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Sacha Baron Cohen is, in fact, Jewish. < 1248652716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:52 ehird: Similarly, the Colbert Report is about catholicism. < 1248652719 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Colbert is also catholic. < 1248652724 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't mean it belongs on Catholitube. < 1248652726 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.