< 1248912968 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1248913166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, there? < 1248913170 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ais523 < 1248913176 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just had an idea for a new game < 1248913188 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not here < 1248913190 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3D chess. < 1248913192 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am here < 1248913193 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except < 1248913194 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: been done < 1248913197 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the usual 3d board < 1248913200 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in a cube < 1248913204 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the side 8 < 1248913210 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, has that been done too? < 1248913210 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooring < 1248913211 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4x4x4 apparently works better < 1248913212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with os < 1248913216 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm interesting < 1248913228 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, know a link to it? < 1248913234 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I read it in a book < 1248913238 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably on the internet anyway, though < 1248913358 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4^3 = 8^2 < 1248913454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks, oerjan :P < 1248913494 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4^3 = 1^6 < 1248913506 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same number of fields but distances would be shorter... < 1248913719 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1248914200 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhh 4^3 doesn't really = 1^6 :P < 1248914212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean really as in an exaggeration…opposite thing < 1248914213 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there < 1248914216 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of like < 1248914220 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it isn't really that, it's this" < 1248914220 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1248914232 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am suspecting ais523 of a C joke, there < 1248914273 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tru dat < 1248914558 0 :augur!n=augur@74.2.28.50 JOIN :#esoteric < 1248914839 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi augur < 1248914847 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey man < 1248914930 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a man? eating hay? < 1248914931 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nonsense < 1248915062 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aye, nae may i < 1248915659 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1248916143 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1248916669 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1248917404 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.72.107 JOIN :#esoteric < 1248917548 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION takes a look at Vala
< 1248917811 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: y'know how you said guis suck to point at icons and shit so they should just look pretty instead? i think you'd like http://www.launchy.net/#screenshots < 1248917823 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(idea credit quicksilver, gnome do, blah blah blah 50 billion fucking clones) < 1248920221 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1248920820 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1248920896 0 :augur!n=augur@74.2.28.50 JOIN :#esoteric < 1248921128 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1248922599 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1248923004 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1248923891 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1248924055 0 :dbc!n=daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1248924087 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@77-100-194-169.cable.ubr04.pres.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1248925184 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: quicksilver <3 < 1248925200 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just wish it wasnt so fucking glitchy < 1248926705 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :glio < 1248927382 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: 4^3 = 1^6 <<< 2^4 would've been better, so you get both (\(a, b) -> (a^2, b-1)) and xor < 1248927420 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean 1^6 is pretty arbitrary isn't it < 1248927429 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway need to pack :| < 1248927430 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1248928378 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-124-136.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1248932443 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1248932908 0 :augur_!n=augur@74.2.28.50 JOIN :#esoteric < 1248932908 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1248933858 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1248933899 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-112-187.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1248937206 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-117-183.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1248937623 0 :beinghuman!n=beinghum@unaffiliated/curtb JOIN :#esoteric < 1248937669 0 :beinghuman!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this? < 1248937732 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT IS LOVE < 1248937771 0 :beinghuman!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a chemical illusion < 1248937781 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :baby don't hurt me < 1248937807 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont hurt me < 1248937807 0 :beinghuman!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.staples.com/office/supplies/p4__288610_Business_Supplies_1_10051_SC3:CG71:DP4118:CL161747 < 1248937808 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no more < 1248937810 0 :beinghuman!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm getting that laptop < 1248937812 0 :beinghuman!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you think? < 1248937814 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :augur < 1248938088 0 :beinghuman!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1248938603 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1248940799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1248940800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1248943277 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1248943397 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1248945099 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1248947496 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-1-130.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1248948182 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1248949369 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1248951530 0 :Xiin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1248952757 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1248953353 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1248953418 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1248955203 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1248955385 0 :Xiin!n=X@cpc3-brig15-2-0-cust781.3-3.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1248956422 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1248956846 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1248956847 0 :MigoMipo_!n=MigoMipo@84-217-12-178.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1248957600 0 :MigoMipo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1248958338 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.72.107 JOIN :#esoteric < 1248962028 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1248962217 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-12-178.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1248962465 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Traditionally, Mac OS has been a fairly secure operating system. Mac OS X, however, introduced a UNIX underpinning that is more vulnerable to security holes than Mac users are accustomed to." < 1248962469 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crazy, crazy pepole. < 1248962472 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*people < 1248962508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:39:44 ehird: quicksilver <3 < 1248962508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:40:00 i just wish it wasnt so fucking glitchy < 1248962508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally < 1248963777 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone here know of any decent free tools for removing mains hum from music recordings? < 1248963856 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet another problem with this laptop means that you have to record things at low volume or the recording doesn't work < 1248963862 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I stupidly forgot to disconnect the power cable < 1248963956 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can hear it hum when charging? wow < 1248963962 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: no < 1248963965 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: just use a lowpass or something < 1248963967 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recorded on a mains-powered system < 1248963969 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a highpass < 1248963971 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that sort of ilk < 1248963974 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you mean highpass < 1248963977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah yeah < 1248963991 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately, music quite possibly often goes below 50 Hz, after all it's not that low < 1248963998 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :middle C is about 256 Hz < 1248964018 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally, you'd want a tool which worked out what the constant mains hum was, and subtracted it < 1248964022 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :give it a try anyway < 1248964025 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :audacity can do that shit in seconds < 1248964074 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, a notch filter might work, if there is one < 1248964094 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remove everything that's exactly 50 Hz, while leaving everything else (in theory; the practice is trickier, but audacity probably knows about the issues) < 1248964134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you can probably do that using Audacity's programming language (at least that's what I recall it is) Nyquist < 1248964144 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: or two filters < 1248964149 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh there's probably a way to say remove 50hz-50hz < 1248964193 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I installed audacity, and its man page told me what I should be using instead < 1248964195 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm installing sox too < 1248964227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how did it say that? < 1248964245 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: the man page basically said "if you want to do simple batch audio editing, use sox" < 1248964255 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just one file, isn't it? < 1248964258 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, lots < 1248964260 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1248964273 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it was one file, audacity would almost certainly be simpler and quicker < 1248964273 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SoX looks like ImageMagick but for sound < 1248964277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1248964293 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: *GraphicsMagick? < 1248964309 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was called ImageMagick < 1248964319 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is, GraphicsMagick is a fork < 1248964323 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but apparently is like, the focus < 1248964325 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so does its man page < 1248964351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sort of like if esr kept updating C-INTERCAL but with only rubbish changes < 1248964359 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i gather is the argument < 1248964363 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, he was doing that for a while < 1248964366 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1248964371 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you go then < 1248964394 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so ais523/C-INTERCAL is based on an older esr/? < 1248964405 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I just reverted most of them < 1248964411 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not deliberately, just more or less by chance < 1248964416 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as they were to files I subsequently deleted < 1248964432 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the idea of forking from old versions < 1248964454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like version 3 of some software was good, version 4 was okay but then they made really crap changes in version 5 < 1248964458 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so everyone just forked version 3 < 1248964470 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, there, version 4 becomes a black hole < 1248964472 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, I wonder if anyone forked the old version of Amarok? < 1248964475 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't use it if you like the changes < 1248964479 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there's version 5 < 1248964488 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you hate the changes, you either use version 3 or the fork < 1248964496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't get why people whined about the new amarok < 1248964504 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't used it, but the only bit that looks stupid is the overlapped button thing < 1248964507 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never used the old one, so I have no way to compare < 1248964524 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The old one was… eh… very KDE 3. < 1248964536 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't really do what I want it to do (I prefer things that just play sound rather than trying to manage files), but it's the only program I've found that plays sound on KDE < 1248964547 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason, things like Totem were silent there last I checked < 1248964553 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that's fixed itself (i.e. via updates) now < 1248964555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I like using a music library, personally < 1248964561 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that's really a violation of the unix philosophy < 1248964565 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can easily outsource the actual playing < 1248964565 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have all my music stored in a filesystem already < 1248964574 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and don't feel the need to re-sort it < 1248964580 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did I dispute that? < 1248964585 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, you didn't < 1248964585 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just pointing out that music libraries aren't inherently bad < 1248964589 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think they are < 1248964592 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1248964859 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're the sort of thing that I have no problem with other people using, but don't think are particularly suited to me < 1248965029 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1248966345 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, the mains distortion wasn't a sine wave < 1248966362 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it isn't sufficient to filter out 50 Hz, you need to filter out every multiple of it too... < 1248966364 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's the riemann zeta function! < 1248966367 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, err < 1248966372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a lot of hertzes :p < 1248966376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*:P < 1248966380 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1248966385 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just try the lowest 10 or so, to see what happens < 1248966555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The energy comes from Genie Magic, which as I understand is infinite." < 1248966671 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, filtering the first 5 multiples of 50 Hz seems to have about halved the volume of the mains hum < 1248966681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly you must do it again! < 1248966681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait. < 1248966697 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, the mains hum now has a different timbre < 1248966721 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is to be expected if you cut out some multiples but not otheres < 1248966722 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*others < 1248966726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how long are all these files? < 1248966728 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :together < 1248966734 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe about 10 minutes < 1248966742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know it might be quicker to re-record them, right? :P < 1248966745 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I may end up recording more the same way in the future < 1248966753 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, the issue is that the source I recorded from isn't easily reproducible < 1248966757 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely it isn't hard to unplug the laptop < 1248966760 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and okay < 1248966761 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the reason I recorded them in the first place < 1248966771 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only example springing to mind is radio < 1248966807 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, filtering out multiples of 50 Hz up to 500 Hz works great < 1248966816 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mains hum is still there, but your brain filters it out after a couple of seconds < 1248966821 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it couldn't before that < 1248966829 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it WAS radio, i'd just filter out everything outside of radio's frequencies < 1248966841 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :50 is inside radio frequencies < 1248966845 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1248966869 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's between 3 and 4 octaves below middle C; rather low, but not so massively low that nobody ever uses it < 1248966916 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, of course, it might not be my brain filtering it out, but rather the filtering getting better the more data it has < 1248966935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy way to find out < 1248966945 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: find two near-identical parts of the song < 1248966948 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one from the start and one from the end < 1248966952 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :run a script that randomises them < 1248966956 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you have to guess which it is < 1248966963 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :repeat with multiple samples for SCIENCE < 1248966968 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, my solution would be to produce a spectogram, and watch to see if the hum line actually faded on the picture < 1248966973 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*spectrogram < 1248966975 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's boring man. < 1248966998 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a boring man. < 1248967006 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it might be hiding in other frequencies, too! < 1248967022 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: if it isn't a multiple of 50, then it isn't UK mains hum < 1248967022 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, even if it's there, if you can't hear it it doesn't really matter < 1248967027 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: shush :P < 1248967038 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and agreed, if I can't hear it it doesn't matter < 1248967039 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm happy < 1248967077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although by that logic i shouldn't use lossless compression < 1248967079 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i like it, so bah < 1248967116 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I'm keeping the originals too < 1248967128 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the advantage of lossless compression is that if you want to do further processing, it's better than the lossy version < 1248967163 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but i store unprocessed lossless music < 1248967166 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. it's common for instruments to be recorded in stereo but vocals in mono, so by subtracting one channel from the other you can often remove the lyrics from a song < 1248967175 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just because i have the disk space, and it makes me feel warm and fuzzy < 1248967186 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: well, storing both lossless /and/ lossy would be a waste < 1248967191 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no duh :P < 1248967320 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, the little tick sound of my trackball is produced by the mouse's clicky thingy (like an ipod) < 1248967322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the wheel itself < 1248967325 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, ball < 1248967330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same as the side grip buttons < 1248967342 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i discovered this because it's just run out of battery :P < 1248967350 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so the mouse makes click noises when you turn the trackball, to make it feel more realistic? < 1248967375 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just for feedback, I think < 1248967387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, gripping the side buttons (they're not actual buttons) while it's off doesn't feel right < 1248967392 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they never click, it doesn't feel like you're doing it right < 1248967399 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while it's on, it makes a little click noise and feels fine < 1248967410 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :similarly, it felt like the ball was broken < 1248967413 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, not touching the contact point < 1248967426 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this reminds me of the first fanless computers < 1248967437 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the end they had to attach a noisy fan to them which did nothing, because everyone assumed they were broken < 1248967442 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1248967445 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the original macintosh was fanless < 1248967452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well as every macintosh until the somethingorother (SE?) < 1248967456 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, maybe first fanless PCs < 1248967459 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1248967463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people added fans to the macintosh tho < 1248967467 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cause it overheated a lot < 1248967468 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a fan just helps so much in getting processor density down < 1248967470 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :breaking components < 1248967488 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's density and speed that cause components to heat up < 1248967489 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah, it's amazing how much cooler everything gets with just one fan < 1248967490 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, density up, size down < 1248967503 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1248967511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the more dense the cooler, no? < 1248967512 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1248967516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when 45nm chips were the new thing < 1248967522 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone was going "it needs less voltage and runs cooler" < 1248967539 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's because being smaller lets you make better designs < 1248967543 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, can use less power < 1248967545 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1248967549 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1248967553 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, you can run it on a lower current < 1248967566 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :computers use microamps anyway, sometimes even nanoamps, for most of the internal circuitry < 1248967569 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly what we need is reversible computers, which can do any operation without heating < 1248967586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, that uses a ton of memory, and you pay off big time with setting registers < 1248967588 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know that all quantum computers are reversible < 1248967597 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: impossible < 1248967599 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're TC < 1248967601 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there's no known way to power them otherwise < 1248967601 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1248967603 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given infinite memory < 1248967613 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yes, you can be both TC and reversible given infinite memory < 1248967619 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ofc < 1248967630 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so you have to restart a quantum computer after doing a heavy decryption task? :D < 1248967643 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you have to restart it after reading any of its output < 1248967647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1248967648 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i presume the resetting of all the qubits gives off a shitload of heat < 1248967653 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that causes the whole thing to decohere to a known state < 1248967667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel sorry for all the guys in the backwater universes < 1248967669 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then, once you've read its output, you blank it by xoring the output to its current state < 1248967672 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :their quantum computers never work < 1248967714 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rotating values is one of the fundamental operations in quantum computers, it's sort of like xor but with complex numbers < 1248967720 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and unary < 1248967731 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a binary xor-like operation too, it's actually the only binary operation they use < 1248967760 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I am diagnosed with Tourette's Syndrome. AMA" ← pfft, as if. you didn't even say "fuckshit" once! < 1248967770 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but i assume that the resetting is very hot? < 1248967782 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, no, the resetting is reversible < 1248967788 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably the collapsing that generates heat < 1248967802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1248967809 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you reset a quantum computer by working out a reversible operation that gets it from its current state to its initial state < 1248967825 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, I think I know how this works < 1248967826 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a shame that room-temperature quantum computers look unlikely < 1248967836 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most operations happen in all the parallel universes, but the collapsing only happens in one < 1248967849 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus you don't generate nearly as much heat < 1248967868 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and tbh, even near-absolute-zero quantum computers would be great, if they had decent storage space < 1248967885 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd use them as a coprocessor, quantum computers are awful at doing things like conditionals < 1248967902 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to do them the same way Knuth did conditionals in INTERCAL, by faking them using arithmetic < 1248967955 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ahem < 1248967961 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sec < 1248967961 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :program flow has to be deterministic in a quantum computer, but that doesn't prevent it being TC < 1248967980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there's a 128-qubit computer < 1248967987 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, great < 1248967992 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :last I heard, the record was 7 < 1248968002 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :produced by D-Wave Systems: http://www.dwavesys.com/ < 1248968004 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, a few kiloqubits will be enough to do certain practical calculations, I think < 1248968009 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bloggity blog with pictures and stuff: http://dwave.wordpress.com/ < 1248968013 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a few tens < 1248968018 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of kiloqubits < 1248968027 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well < 1248968037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Putting all of these qubits into superposition states — the initial Hamiltonian in the adiabatic algorithm — gives 2^128 ~ 3 x 10^38 simultaneously held states. Not quite the number of atoms in the earth, but close." < 1248968054 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, impressive, although I'd be more interested if they managed actual calculations < 1248968055 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you're overestimating how much would be needed < 1248968060 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they do < 1248968064 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they sell quantum computers < 1248968066 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, for money < 1248968077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, 7 digit money < 1248968081 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but money nonetheless < 1248968090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 128-qubit chips are still being tested though < 1248968096 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: things like factorising prime numbers used in cryptography need a number of qubits similar to the number of bits needed to do the calculations when you already know the answer < 1248968097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc there's a research department that has one of their computers, probably some others too < 1248968117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm < 1248968120 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you want to break, say, a 4096-bit privkey, you're going to need about 4 kiloqubits < 1248968148 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quantum computing is so disappointing, you look at it and you're all, wow, this is amazing, this will change everything < 1248968150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then all the caveats :D < 1248968164 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"cannot massively reduce complexity. requires an unreasonable number of qubits." < 1248968169 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a weird style of programming < 1248968171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"also, you've got a fridge, right?" < 1248968175 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"like. a really good fridge." < 1248968180 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"we're talking absolute zero here." < 1248968184 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do ginormous numbers of calculations in parallel, but only get the result of one of them < 1248968203 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are ways to manipulate the probabilities so that the one you get is decently likely to be the one you actually want < 1248968216 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1248968221 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, all nontrivial quantum computations can return /any/ answer, but good algorithms will return the one you actually want with a high probability < 1248968233 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you check on a classical computer, then repeat if the quantum computer got it wrong < 1248968253 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'd just run the quantum computer N times until we get the same result N times < 1248968264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you never know that a classical computer doesn't suffer random corruption, too < 1248968270 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this way is… faster < 1248968303 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, fair enough < 1248968317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: incidentally, on http://dwave.wordpress.com/page/2/, it looks like a regular silicon chip (sans die package thing) < 1248968318 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not random corruption, it's just ending up in the wrong universe < 1248968322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, solid-state < 1248968326 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does it differ from that? < 1248968336 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i know solid-state quantum computing is new-fangled and this ain't it < 1248968336 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it almost certainly /is/ solid state, just with different chemicals used < 1248968346 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so that article about the first solid state quantum computer was bullshit? < 1248968348 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, as in the packaging is solid state < 1248968353 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if the part that does stuff isn't < 1248968358 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1248968372 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like, you put the computer inside a silicon chip because that's an easy environment to make the connections to it < 1248968448 0 :lifthrasiir!n=lifthras@haje12.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1248968505 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should hijack a universe without any life and use it for computation. < 1248968513 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :us as in #esoteric < 1248968535 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read a short story about that < 1248968550 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where an advanced society had invented a sort of teleporter to and from alternative universes < 1248968562 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and were giving people their own Earths, in which life had never developed, to live on < 1248968584 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eventually they ran into people from alternative universes in which life /had/ developed, which were doing the same thing < 1248968622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who says other universes have to obey our physics? :P < 1248968651 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they picked ones that did < 1248968657 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all, they were ones in which Earth existed < 1248968663 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just never developed life for whatever reason < 1248968717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, observing a universe with different physics is nonsensical < 1248968728 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let alone going there < 1248969087 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[IAmA scientist, minister, and atheist, I've started a Christian sect for reality-based people - AMA]] // …thus bringing the definition of the word "Christian" to all-new realms of semantic meaninglessness? < 1248969101 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1248969104 0 :lifthrasiir!n=lifthras@haje12.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1248969105 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1248969129 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: A Christian sect for atheists? Wow. < 1248969138 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: seems to be a Thomas Jefferson-style thing < 1248969145 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Jesus was a nice guy, let's be like him and help each other, 'kay?" < 1248969150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's not really christianity. < 1248969158 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could've sworn the monotheism was one of the few things that Christians agreed with each other on. :P < 1248969160 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you can be atheist and yet agree with many of the teachings of christianity < 1248969167 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it kind of falls flat if you're trying to drop the belief/faith < 1248969170 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: But that's not Christianity. < 1248969175 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yes < 1248969176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there's basically no evidence that jesus historically existed < 1248969185 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's pretty much the dumbest idea i've heard all day. < 1248969201 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Jesus turns up in many religions < 1248969207 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although they all have slightly different versions of events < 1248969213 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a point to that sentence? < 1248969231 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Christianity specifically believes he died and was resurrected, whereas several others don't < 1248969253 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he most likely didn't even exist, though < 1248969273 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That's pretty much the defining aspect of Christianity. < 1248969274 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :personally I'd be surprised if Jesus was an entirely invented character < 1248969277 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yep < 1248969286 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think it's possible he was a minor cult leader or something < 1248969307 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though other Abrahamic religions describe him as a great prophet. < 1248969309 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if he did exist, from the historical silence on him, he almost certainly wasn't anything like the character in the bible < 1248969326 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(perhaps just reused to peddle a new religion?) < 1248969475 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyho. < 1248969477 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*anyhow < 1248995049 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1248995049 0 :clog!n=nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1248995159 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, now, clog and everyone else < 1248995165 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am going to paste every line since clog exited < 1248995169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're most welcome < 1248995223 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1248995226 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:04] pikhq: "Brilliant". EMI is no longer selling CDs to smaller record stores. < 1248995227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[16:06] Pthing left the chat room. (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) < 1248995227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[16:09] ais523: pikhq: don't you mean "Brillant"? < 1248995227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[16:09] pikhq: Yes. < 1248995228 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[16:11] ehird: if emi wants to kill themselves, can't we please offer assisted suicide? < 1248995228 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[16:12] ehird: well I guess that's "shutting down" :P < 1248995229 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[16:18] clog left the chat room. (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) < 1248995231 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[16:41] MigoMipo left the chat room. (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) < 1248995233 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[16:46] ehird: Nobody talk, clog is dead! < 1248995235 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[16:47] MigoMipo joined the chat room. < 1248995237 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[16:50] FireFly: Urgh < 1248995239 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[16:50] FireFly: Note to self: Regex intensive perl source code isn't meant to be written on a cellphone < 1248995241 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[16:53] pikhq: Perl is not meant to be written. < 1248995243 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[17:01] ais523: bye clog < 1248995245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[17:03] ehird: FireFly: CODE isn't meant to be written on a cellphone < 1248995247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[17:03] ehird: buy a laptop, you bum! < 1248995249 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[17:04] FireFly: Meh < 1248995251 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[17:04] FireFly: Not when you can SMS it for free to friends < 1248995253 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[17:33] puzzlet_ joined the chat room. < 1248995255 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[17:34] puzzlet left the chat room. (Remote closed the connection) < 1248995257 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[17:37] jix_ joined the chat room. < 1248995259 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[17:37] BeholdMyGlory joined the chat room. < 1248995261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[17:50] jix left the chat room. (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) < 1248995263 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[18:02] pikhq: GregorR: "All-user-submissions Augst". < 1248995265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[18:02] pikhq: August, even. < 1248995267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[18:02] pikhq: :D < 1248995269 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[18:03] ehird: pikhq: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Eclectic_shorthand_by_cross.png ← is your language thingy more concise than any of these? < 1248995272 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[18:03] ehird: Cross-(Eclectic) appears to be shorter but has more intricate forms than the others. < 1248995274 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[18:04] pikhq: ehird: Quite likely not. It's not an exceptionally well-designed system. < 1248995276 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[18:04] ehird: I don't believe I could learn to read any of those in the png. < 1248995278 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[18:04] ehird: My brain doesn't distinguish most of the forms. < 1248995280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[18:09] Asztal joined the chat room. < 1248995282 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[18:33] ehird: Does anyone know if Firefox has D-Bus stuff to manipulate its pages? Epiphany? < 1248995284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[18:34] puzzlet_ left the chat room. (Remote closed the connection) < 1248995286 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[18:34] puzzlet joined the chat room. < 1248995287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Excess Flood < 1248995302 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1248995328 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.72.107 JOIN :#esoteric < 1248995339 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ain't that just a bitch; allow me to continue < 1248995343 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first of all < 1248995345 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/^16:/[16:/ < 1248995347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now < 1248995349 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where was I < 1248995379 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes. < 1248995380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:38] AnMaster left the chat room. (Connection timed out) < 1248995380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[18:40] puzzlet_ joined the chat room. < 1248995381 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[18:52] puzzlet left the chat room. (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) < 1248995381 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[19:19] fizzie: The fourth attempt lost: http://pastebin.com/m3d389eb < 1248995381 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[19:21] ehird: "Actually, Gnome is more customizable than KDE." // now this, THIS one I haven't heard before < 1248995382 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[19:21] ehird: fizzie: haha < 1248995384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[19:21] ehird: what is testlm-disk? < 1248995386 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[19:22] fizzie: It's just a perl script I whipped together to mimic the way fungot generates babble, except a bit better. < 1248995386 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it does'nt give the object a name cab the taxi-list length added to 1, 4 3 2 ( total of indices) bytes of memory < 1248995389 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[19:22] fungot: fizzie: which is semantically right, but acts wrong < 1248995389 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: remote control as an adverb+verb? nice. how do i do a simple method for defining those few special widgets that your app needs ( most interesting apps do need some kind of letrec as an abstract fnord my fnord < 1248995391 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[19:22] fizzie: "-disk" is the "do not read the whole model to memory" variant; even though the model.bin.irc file is only 200 megabytes, Perl managed to use something like three gigabytes of memory to load it before I told it to stop. < 1248995395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[19:25] FireFly: fungot did have a point < 1248995395 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: one time my " a bit dirty." < 1248995397 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[19:25] fungot: FireFly: fnord augur i just type-raped a 13 year old nerd, yes. < 1248995397 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: and even more fun :) is there already a scheme compiler.) < 1248995399 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[19:25] FireFly: "the way fungot generates babble" < 1248995401 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[19:25] fungot: FireFly: should it be n-ary? why would you do with a work... it could spend n ticks to mark a pheromone which lasts 5000 ticks though :) i'm just curious < 1248995380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[19:25] FireFly: "which is semantically right" < 1248995382 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[19:26] ehird: 19:25] FireFly: fungot did have a point < 1248995384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[19:26] ehird: [19:25] fungot: FireFly: fnord augur i just type-raped a 13 year old nerd, yes. < 1248995386 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[19:26] fungot: ehird: what in specific did you mean by that? " curried procedure?" :) < 1248995388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[19:26] fungot: ehird: i mean, without side-effects one can just implement that without explicit continuations? dynamic-wind doesn't make an incredible amount of sense) here. < 1248995391 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[19:26] ehird: i think that's verbatim < 1248995393 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[19:26] ehird: :D < 1248995395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[19:26] ehird: s/^1/[1/ < 1248995396 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Excess Flood < 1248995404 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1248995438 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the heck is he doing? < 1248995463 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BeholdMyGlory: Pasting logs for clog's sake. < 1248995467 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.72.107 JOIN :#esoteric < 1248995478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BeholdMyGlory: replaying logs for when clog wasn't here, duh < 1248995488 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are arguably better ways to do this but i've started now < 1248995499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first, s/^18:/[18:/ < 1248995501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now < 1248995555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[19:27] fizzie: Yes, it's prone to that. < 1248995555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[19:29] augur joined the chat room. < 1248995556 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[19:31] puzzlet joined the chat room. < 1248995556 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[19:43] puzzlet_ left the chat room. (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) < 1248995556 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:10] ehird: fizzie: btw, your f_n : N → N thing where n > m → f_n(x) > f_m(x) forall n can be done for n : Bool trivially by f_false(n) = odds(n) and f_true(n) = evens(n) < 1248995557 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:11] ehird: s/(odds|evens)\(([^)]+)\)/$1_$2/g < 1248995559 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:11] ehird: but < 1248995561 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:11] ehird: that violates your extra rule, < 1248995563 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:11] ehird: err i forget < 1248995565 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:11] ehird: but i know it violates one of your extra rules < 1248995567 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:11] ehird: also i may be wrong, not thinking today < 1248995569 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:11] ehird: but i definitely got it right before < 1248995571 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:11] ehird: i may just have transcribed wrongly. < 1248995573 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:13] fizzie: I don't even remember what that is. < 1248995575 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:13] ehird: lemme find your original staterment < 1248995577 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:13] ehird: agh clog is down < 1248995579 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:13] fizzie: If it was the version numbering thing, then I remember. < 1248995581 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:14] ehird: oh, perhaps < 1248995581 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Excess Flood < 1248995594 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.72.107 JOIN :#esoteric < 1248995602 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crappy flood-protection is crappy. < 1248995629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:14] ehird: i didn't look at context < 1248995629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:14] ehird: fizzie: oh maybe it was mapping two to one < 1248995630 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:14] ehird: f : N → N → N → N uniquely, maybe < 1248995630 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:14] ehird: where the first has the original constraint < 1248995630 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:14] ehird: naw < 1248995631 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:14] ehird: fizzie: i'll grep my logsies < 1248995632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:16] fizzie: My "original statement" in that case left out quite a lot of relevant things. But it was about a function f: Z^3 → Z such that n>m implies f(n)>f(m), where '>' for the 3-tuples is their lexicographical ordering. < 1248995636 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:16] ehird: fizzie: well you -can- divide the (positive, at least) integers in two < 1248995638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:16] ehird: {1, 3, 5, 7, …} and {0, 2, 4, 6, …}, obviously < 1248995640 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:17] ehird: fizzie: so that's f : Bool → Z^2 → Z < 1248995642 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:17] ehird: fizzie: so basically do what integers are for 2, for 3, and then apply that < 1248995644 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:17] ehird: fizzie: but your other condition was something like < 1248995646 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:18] ehird: all of the 0s were above all of the 1s < 1248995648 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:18] ehird: or something < 1248995650 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:18] ehird: which is obviously impossible < 1248995651 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Excess Flood < 1248995680 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.72.107 JOIN :#esoteric < 1248995699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :p20:18] fizzie: Yes, I guess it was from three nonnegative integers to any arbitrary integer. And of course there is a injective function, but the ordering property was the trivially impossible one. < 1248995699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:18] ehird: right it's just you seem to consider it… not that trivially impossible < 1248995699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:18] ehird: which confused me < 1248995699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:18] ehird: fizzie: also *an injective. < 1248995700 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:19] fizzie: Yes, I again retroactively edited the 'injective' I was going to forget. < 1248995700 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:19] ehird: :D < 1248995702 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:19] ehird: fizzie: wait… what? < 1248995704 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:19] ehird: did you word that right? < 1248995706 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:19] fizzie: Edited in the word injective, is what I was trying to say. < 1248995708 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:20] fizzie: Inserted, maybe. < 1248995710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:20] fizzie: What-the-everness. < 1248995712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:21] Deewiant: The ever-what-ness. < 1248995714 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:26] Sgeo joined the chat room. < 1248995714 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Excess Flood < 1248995730 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.72.107 JOIN :#esoteric < 1248995755 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/^p2/[2/ < 1248995763 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:38] ais523 left the chat room. (Remote closed the connection) < 1248995763 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[21:17] augur left the chat room. (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) < 1248995764 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[21:27] augur joined the chat room. < 1248995764 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[21:28] fizzie: A mind is a potato field... < 1248995764 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[21:28] ehird: whoa you said that JUST as i tabbed to this window < 1248995765 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[21:29] fizzie: That was what the bot thinks is pretty much the most likely continuation of "a mind is": http://pastebin.com/m16acacd7 < 1248995767 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[21:44] oerjan joined the chat room. < 1248995769 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[21:45] augur left the chat room. 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(Read error: 113 (No route to host)) < 1248995773 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[21:47] oerjan: logs are down? < 1248995775 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Excess Flood < 1248995789 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.72.107 JOIN :#esoteric < 1248995801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[21:47] oerjan: logs are down? < 1248995801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[21:48] • oerjan tries out downforeveryoneorjustme.com < 1248995801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[21:54] oerjan: and DMM repeats himself. almost. < 1248995802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[21:58] pikhq: Out of curiosity, when was the last time we discussed esolangs here? < 1248995804 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[21:59] oerjan: Oh, I recall way back in Yonder Days... < 1248995806 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[22:00] Topic changed to "You can discuss anything except weird programming languages, which is strictly forbidden. Also, http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D." by oerjan. < 1248995809 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[22:01] oerjan: that probably also includes haskell and J. < 1248995809 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Excess Flood < 1248995821 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.72.107 JOIN :#esoteric < 1248995844 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :methinks it is getting more aggressive as I go < 1248995851 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[22:02] oerjan: php and java are perfectly appropriate, of course. < 1248995852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[22:03] oerjan: ah, clog isn't even here. < 1248995852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[22:04] oerjan: all our brilliant words will be lost for eternity. < 1248995852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[22:04] oerjan: mind you they probably would anyway, eventually. < 1248995852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[22:05] oerjan: we seem to have entered the realm of deep silence, aka no AnMaster + ehird < 1248995853 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[22:06] oerjan: only a lone blathering monologue keeps the forces of chaos at bay < 1248995854 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[22:18] oerjan: hm EgoBot but no HackEgo < 1248995855 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server" < 1248995856 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[22:19] pikhq: Blather. < 1248995858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[22:19] oerjan: Better blather with butter batter < 1248995858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Excess Flood < 1248995879 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.72.107 JOIN :#esoteric < 1248995890 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's in charge of clog? Couldn't someone just do "tail -n NumberOfLines myLog.log >> clog.log" or something like that? < 1248995897 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[22:21] fizzie: blather on for way too long. click here to install thunderbird option, no doubt, take down those who are interested in. < 1248995897 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[22:22] • oerjan assumes whatever that was, it involved google translate somehow. < 1248995898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[22:23] fizzie: oerjan: Oh, right, you missed the context. It involved the tool also seen in http://pastebin.com/m16acacd7 which is fungot's babblegen with the option to specify the initial context. < 1248995898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[22:23] fungot: fizzie: soegaard never tiring of advocacy for now, only define-macro... < 1248995898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[22:23] oerjan: the context will never be found < 1248995900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[22:24] fizzie: sleep now bye. don't accidentally break your "delete". UNK arguments just changed, so all changes were mutable :p < 1248995903 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[22:24] oerjan: "a mind is a terrible thing to begin with" :D < 1248995905 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[22:26] oerjan: eris seems a very appropriate hostname < 1248995907 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[22:27] oerjan: now the wiki went down :( < 1248995909 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[22:32] Sgeo left the chat room. (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) < 1248995911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[22:47] ehird: [[False. Obama published it, not the state of Hawaii. Its not a birth < 1248995913 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[22:47] ehird: certificate but a Certificate of Live Birth (confusing name, but < 1248995915 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[22:47] ehird: different document), issued (at the time) by Hawaii to infants as old < 1248995917 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[22:47] ehird: as a year. No hospital or attending physician, and possibly even a < 1248995919 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[22:47] ehird: forgery. But who cares about the truth? He's a great guy....hope and < 1248995921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[22:47] ehird: change and all that other nice stuff.]] < 1248995923 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[22:47] ehird: does anyone have any theories as to how the author of ↑ could figure out how to subscribe to a mailing list? < 1248995926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[22:58] • oerjan assumes that ? is a unicode character. he cannot check as the logs are down. < 1248995931 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAY < 1248995944 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[23:18] BeholdMyGlory: Who's in charge of clog? Couldn't someone just do "tail -n NumberOfLines myLog.log >> clog.log" or something like that? < 1248995945 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1248995951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Faré maintains it < 1248995953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he doesn't touch clog < 1248995958 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor, probably, care < 1248995964 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, it's done now < 1248995965 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was fun < 1248995972 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maintaining it without touching it is interesting < 1248995985 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: he maintains the box it's on. < 1248995988 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just works. < 1248995989 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1248995994 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every time it's gone down, tunes.org has also, iirc < 1248995996 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for maybe one time < 1248996044 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : methinks it is getting more aggressive as I go <-- i was going to say that < 1248996052 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but then the last bit < 1248996057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :smooth like butter < 1248996059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/shrug < 1248996063 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1248996127 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grmbl the tunes.org web server is still down < 1248996154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not < 1248996155 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WFM < 1248996160 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how i've known where to resume :P < 1248996230 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit < 1248996269 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there must be _something_ you said in that interval which the universe doesn't want me to know :P < 1248996306 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah there < 1248996536 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wat :P < 1248996569 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just me taunting the universe a bit, or something < 1248996585 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1248996670 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1248996714 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell logBase 2 (50/440) < 1248996716 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-3.137503523749935 < 1248996740 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just 3 octaves and a bit below tuning fork < 1248996751 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1248996768 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : unfortunately, music quite possibly often goes below 50 Hz, after all it's not that low < 1248996885 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell logBase 2 (20000/440) < 1248996887 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5.50635266602479 < 1248996915 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1248997032 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A440 < 1248997091 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell logBase 2 (435/440) * 12 < 1248997093 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-0.19785747346282728 < 1248997291 0 :Asztal!n=chatzill@host86-155-75-100.range86-155.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1248997566 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection