< 1246406468 0 :zid!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Merry july everybody < 1246406497 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh you're right. < 1246406516 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, just because you're GMT < 1246406532 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been in july for a while now < 1246406547 0 :zid!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GMT aka UTC? :P < 1246406553 0 :zid!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNIVERSAL JULY BITCH < 1246406577 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNIVERSAL JULY! It's July EVERYWHERE IN THE UNIVERSE! < 1246406583 0 :zid!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct < 1246406688 0 :game16!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving." < 1246406711 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1246406764 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1246406950 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@77-100-194-169.cable.ubr04.pres.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1246407654 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1246407976 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@75-106-100-121.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1246408347 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I tried switching back to KDE for a bit... < 1246408366 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And nearly vomited. So slow... < 1246408396 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :baaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrf < 1246408628 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ...Your computer sucks. < 1246408630 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:32:08 FYI #proglangdesign #ltu < 1246408631 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lame < 1246408643 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks at first channel < 1246408645 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Laaaaaaaaaaame. < 1246408667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks at other channel < 1246408669 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost identicaaaaaaaal. < 1246408681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:56:12 we had a moon person in here a while ago < 1246408681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:56:18 at least, someone who thought they were < 1246408686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for values of a while = two days ago, iirc < 1246408883 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:52:47 C is awful. Except for all the other systems programming languages out there. :P < 1246408884 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o rly < 1246408885 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HASKELL < 1246408896 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:53:31 Zuu! < 1246408896 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:53:34 Wtf are you doing here :-P < 1246408899 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh do you know who he is? < 1246408900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is he? < 1246408954 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh he's from #d < 1246408983 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:55:04 take haskell, i'm sure it's great 12:55:11 if you like to masturbate to language design < 1246408986 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION kicks zid to death. < 1246408992 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:55:28 but is it.. useful? < 1246408998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mangles zid's brain to information-theoretic death. < 1246409009 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No revival for you, bitch! < 1246409300 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:55:52 I've never seen anything written in haskhell, just people teling me how awesome something would be when written in haskell < 1246409305 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was "haskhell" intentional? < 1246409313 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zid is in #ltu? < 1246409370 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#ltu: WE'RE TOO EDGY FOR JUST A WEBLOG < 1246409381 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALSO ABBREVIATIONS RULE < 1246409476 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION needs a good GUI environment. < 1246409499 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just nuke X from orbit. < 1246409505 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could tolerate that. < 1246409506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:58:05 Zuu: Go to #c++. < 1246409512 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me me me me! < 1246409514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but #c++ has goedi! < 1246409517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's written in Haskell! < 1246409519 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh noes, not C++ < 1246409534 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But geordi is poo :< < 1246409542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Step 1. Get OS X's GUI source leaked. Step 2. Spend hours porting to Linux. < 1246409544 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Step 3. Get sued < 1246409552 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Step 4. I AM IN A JAIL CELL CALLED "HAMLET" < 1246409556 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WASHING NASAL DEMONS < 1246409557 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if ehird is a bottie < 1246409570 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuu: Nay! I am but a. < 1246409584 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh ? < 1246409605 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cuddles ehird ^^ < 1246409614 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Not good enough. < 1246409623 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuu: Forsooth! Make tenners to be like a flower; but no? < 1246409628 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Use Plan 9 < 1246409628 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm starting to think current GUI metaphors are t3h suck. < 1246409635 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tempting. < 1246409643 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe just Plan 9 from Userspace. < 1246409645 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, they are; but there's nothing above concept-stage in anything else. < 1246409646 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, is that an advanced way to ask if i'll marry you? < 1246409653 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OS X at least makes using the current rubbish model OK < 1246409661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuu: No; 'tis but a languishing swamp demon. < 1246409676 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Naw, not userspace. You need the ubiquitous files and toolset to take advantage of p9's ui. < 1246409690 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has a hard time interpreting ehird's eso-english < 1246409694 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :About the only alternative that's well-developed is tiling window managers. ... And those are niche at best. < 1246409706 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also they're not very ergonomic. < 1246409725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuu: But flies are like a sun, and every solar system calls their star sun, just like every base calls theirs 10, because you can fly a lot, see? < 1246409749 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wth... < 1246409768 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION steals all ehird's poems and eats them :> < 1246409781 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thar! < 1246409790 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuu: Eating disallowed; a cake perhaps barred from judging murder in case of a fire/ < 1246409792 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enough of the nonsense :) < 1246409835 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My brain gets overloaded with all this weird sentence compositions < 1246409842 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*these < 1246409874 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is allergic to incomprehensible stuff < 1246409935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuu: Sentences mutate, morphed gluttery flobs in your gut. Only then may the window look at itself, but you know all about 'pataphysics, so essentially it's combinatorics, a bun, a death, and two and a half pennies for dinner. < 1246409972 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pat pats ehird :) < 1246410014 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuu: But what most people don't realise is that Cuil is a legitimate search engine of panties. < 1246410043 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :While that does sound slightly interresting, i wonder if it means the same to you as it does to me < 1246410128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuu: Questions are a folly of multitude; mayhaps if the hunter-gatherers were astronauts instead we could get some cold porridge. < 1246410200 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mayhaps < 1246410204 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hehe < 1246410282 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuu: …insipid people are usually the target of such things, but I am wont to ask if we have not been misunderestimating such potential value as to move into a framework beyond atoms, particles and suchlike: maybe if we abandoned these antediluvian concepts, it would be an eclipsing bonanza for all who might attend (although I note that some who attend would not be pleased, as some people can find fault in anything; but I digress). < 1246410312 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im afraid i dont care to read that :/ < 1246410319 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quick, find a cylon base ship and plug him in < 1246410341 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wont understand 50% of it anuways, and i dont care to rape a dictionary for that sole purpose < 1246410468 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1246410471 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuu: Hellfire! Brimstone! My, my, we've been busy lately; this Hell business sure seems Popular — with a capital P, you understand (am I pompous if I extend this capital-p starting concept to "capital punishment"? I hope not, for I am about to do so) — but would you be so fine as to make sure that only those who die get here? Specifically, those doing bad deeds; capital punishment may be a good indicator. It's nice, and all, and I am, after all, God, < 1246410473 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : so I would know, but I don't really like how you're picking living people from Earth. It kind of disturbs their faith in me. But, really, good work, just keep it for the dead people, okay? < 1246410510 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's unstoppable, he must be a bot < 1246410553 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuu: Ha! Fathom such a prithee concept, but I doubt you could or couldn't depending on the weather; generally data dependencies condition on something much more uninteresting and/or valuable. I guess that's just how the world works on Tuesdays. < 1246410628 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bot on the left half of the world map < 1246410683 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuu: I tend to disregard such concepts; they are for the old world, and I, why I am of the New World! Honey, milk, you know the deal! I'm like a rapping, gangsta, Hitler God. < 1246410725 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: do you agree? speak your mind! < 1246410726 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: feed it birth control pills and water once a month, but perhaps it is something medical < 1246410807 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh. < 1246410811 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a weird diet. < 1246410817 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Hey, fungot snapped me out of that. < 1246410818 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: " go study some cs you idiot"... ping timeout" < 1246410830 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha@ < 1246410832 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Ha! < 1246411031 0 :zid!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: no, never been, what is it? < 1246411164 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zid: it has icky non-practical masturbatory language design people from lambda-the-ultimate.org < 1246411168 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they like haskell. and scheme. < 1246411174 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(zid dies of disgust) < 1246411176 0 :zid!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god < 1246411189 0 :zid!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet the smug just OOOZES < 1246411192 0 :zid!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could bottle it < 1246411314 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zid < 1246411317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you realise < 1246411323 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel is about esoteric programming languages — < 1246411326 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deliberately unusable ones < 1246411330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deliberately "masturbatory" < 1246411337 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deliberately exploring the edges of programming language design — < 1246411343 0 :zid!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1246411345 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you here if you have such a desperate phobia of such things? < 1246411360 0 :zid!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if befunge is 'exploring the edges of programming language design' then damn < 1246411394 0 :zid!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pointless for pointless sake, not pointless pretending to not be < 1246411408 0 :zid!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're the opposite of the spectrum < 1246411456 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because befunge is the only esolang? < 1246411473 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're just an idiot obsessed with what's popular; a language is only viable if everyone else uses it too, QED < 1246411479 0 :zid!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're saying haskell and brainfuck serve the same goal? < 1246411482 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell is masturbatory bullshit because in my bubble i don't hear anyone using it < 1246411485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's idiotic < 1246411490 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zid: i never said that < 1246411501 0 :zid!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then why couldn't one like brainfuck but not like haskell < 1246411543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alas the point went over your head utterly. < 1246411556 0 :zid!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll have to dumb it down a bit then < 1246411740 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shall now interrupt this ridiculous conversation with a monologue from Oedipus Tyrannus, by Sophocles. < 1246411756 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am the son of Polybus, who reigns at Corinth, and the Dorian Merope his queen; there long I held the foremost rank, honoured and happy, when a strange event (for strange it was, though little meriting the deep concern I felt) alarmed me much: < 1246411758 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/03bb/index.htm < 1246411760 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lamda not lambda? < 1246411763 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unicode typo? < 1246411773 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A drunken reveller at a feast proclaimed that I was only the supposed son or Corinth's king. Scarce could I bear that day the vile reproach. The next, I sought my parents and asked of them the truth; they too, enraged, resented much the base indignity. < 1246411806 0 :zid!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Sorry, I was busy giggling and being told i'm obsessed with what's popular after admitting I use mainly C and befunge :P < 1246411806 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked their tender warmth, but still I felt a secret anguish, and, unknown to them, sought out the Pythian oracle. In vain. Touching my parents nothing could I learn; but dreadful were the miseries it denounced against me. 'Twas my fate, Apollo said, to wed my mother, to produce a race accursed and abhorred; and last, to slay my father who begat me. < 1246411809 0 :zid!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night guys < 1246411823 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :befunge is fun, but not brilliant < 1246411825 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh, C isn't popular? < 1246411840 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sad decree! Lest I should e'er fulfil the dire prediction, instant I fled from Corinth, by the stars guiding my hapless journey to the place where thou report'st this wretched king was slain. But I will tell thee the whole truth. At length < 1246411841 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I came to where the three ways meet, when, lo! A herald, with another man like him whom thou describ'st, and in a chariot, met me. < 1246411873 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both strove with violence to drive me back; enraged, I struck the charioteer, when straight, as I advanced, the old man saw, and twice smote me o' th' head, but dearly soon repaid the insult on me; from his chariot rolled prone on the earth, beneath my staff he fell, and instantly expired! < 1246411887 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are we done yet, can I stop this :P < 1246411909 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, O Wise GregorR, decreer of reasonability and obnoxious floods to end. < 1246412105 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need bread! < 1246412126 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gives nooga some icecream < 1246412137 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuu? < 1246412153 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes? < 1246412213 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf are you? < 1246412256 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION find it strange that everyone in here seem to be asking that question < 1246412358 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But alright: I'm me, Mostly human, Alive, Awake, Bored and wondering < 1246412378 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, what are you nooga ? < 1246412391 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an idiot < 1246412398 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except from in need of bread < 1246412408 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. and icecream onyour face < 1246412423 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. sorry, didnt know where else to put it < 1246412506 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let n = pi in foldl (+) 0 (zipWith (\x y -> y*n**x/(product[1..x])) [1,3..] (cycle [1,-1])) < 1246412515 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Prelude.read: no parse < 1246412515 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: ExitFailure 1 < 1246412523 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vooot? < 1246412580 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let n = pi in foldl (+) [y*n**x/(product[1..x]) | (x,y) <- zip [1,3..] cycle [1,-1]] < 1246412583 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `[b]' < 1246412603 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let n = pi in foldl (+) 0 [y*n**x/(product[1..x]) | (x,y) <- zip [1,3..] (cycle [1,-1])] < 1246412611 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1246412620 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AHAHHAAHHA!! < 1246412626 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :killed it < 1246412669 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought that lambdabot is bulletproof < 1246412680 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :peer got 'im. < 1246412683 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That bastard. < 1246412715 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hehe < 1246412783 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let n = pi in foldl (+) 0 [y*n**x/(product[1..x]) | (x,y) <- zip [1,3..] (cycle [1,-1])] < 1246412905 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1246413477 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@75-106-100-121.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1246413736 0 :Associat0r!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"#proglangdesign #ltu ##concurrency" < 1246414888 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1246415079 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Note the "" part; I was replying to him. <-- requoting lines with "<--" in them is darn confusing... < 1246415094 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that <-- was mine btw) < 1246415425 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hates it when he clicks somewhere in a slowly loading browser window to ensure it gets proper focus, and at that moment an ad shows up just there, outside the main frame < 1246415505 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ads? Web pages have ads? Oh yeah, I remember those. < 1246415533 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't mind ads as long as they don't sneak up on me unwittingly :D < 1246415630 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ads? Web pages have ads? Whoa. < 1246415642 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let n = pi/2 in (foldl (+) 0 . take 5) [y*n**x/(product[1..x]) | (x,y) <- zip [1,3..] (cycle [1,-1])] < 1246415646 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought I was installing Adblock out of habit. < 1246415654 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Same 'ere! < 1246415656 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHERE IS LAMBDABOT?!?!! < 1246415658 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: no lambdabot :( < 1246415667 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i killed it < 1246415671 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell let n = pi/2 in (foldl (+) 0 . take 5) [y*n**x/(product[1..x]) | (x,y) <- zip [1,3..] (cycle [1,-1])] < 1246415674 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.0000035425842861 < 1246415676 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: Wrong. < 1246415686 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: in #haskell usually. btw you can private message it < 1246415691 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: > let n = pi in foldl (+) 0 [y*n**x/(product[1..x]) | (x,y) <- zip [1,3..] (cycle [1,-1])] < 1246415691 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:43 lambdabot has left IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) < 1246415701 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot take < 1246415707 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: it only came here by special request < 1246415738 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also !haskell is fine as long as you only use Prelude functions, otherwise you'll need some imports < 1246415763 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell mport Data.List; < 1246415769 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WAS EDITING THAT. < 1246415775 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure you were < 1246415852 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: btw i'm pretty sure sum = foldl (+) 0, precisely. < 1246415898 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot confirms so < 1246415898 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1246415910 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell let n = pi/2 in abs $ sin n - (sum . take 15) [y*n**x/(product[1..x]) | (x,y) <- zip [1,3..] (cycle [1,-1])] < 1246415912 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.220446049250313e-16 < 1246415922 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: small difference < 1246415937 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell let n = pi/2 in (sum . take 15) [y*n**x/(product[1..x]) | (x,y) <- zip [1,3..] (cycle [1,-1])] < 1246415938 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.0000000000000002 < 1246415945 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: ? < 1246415961 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: nooga: Wrong. < 1246416012 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1246416016 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What of it? < 1246416027 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought the result is wrong < 1246416156 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell import Data.List;main=print$let n = pi/2 in take 15 . scanl (+) 0 [y*n**x/(product[1..x]) | (x,y) <- zip [1,3..] (cycle [1,-1])] < 1246416165 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah < 1246416222 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the heck would be wrong with the syntax there... < 1246416265 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell let n = pi/2 in take 15 . scanl (+) 0 [y*n**x/(product[1..x]) | (x,y) <- zip [1,3..] (cycle [1,-1])] < 1246416272 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1246416285 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell import Data.List;main=print$let n = pi/2 in take 15 $ scanl (+) 0 [y*n**x/(product[1..x]) | (x,y) <- zip [1,3..] (cycle [1,-1])] < 1246416288 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[0.0,1.5707963267948966,0.9248322292886504,1.0045248555348174,0.9998431013994987,1.0000035425842861,0.999999943741051,1.0000000006627803,0.9999999999939768,1.0000000000000437,1.0,1.0000000000000002,1.0000000000000002,1.0000000000000002,1.0000000000000002] < 1246416304 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad scanl is one of the non-Prelude functions < 1246416314 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb, sleep < 1246416333 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh it gives 1.0 exactly for one moment < 1246416374 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell scanl < 1246416389 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell main=scanl < 1246416412 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the HECK? < 1246416440 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION facepalms at that error message < 1246416456 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell main=print scanl < 1246416461 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1246416475 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems scanl is Prelude anyhow < 1246416517 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell let n = pi/2 in take 15 $ scanl (+) 0 [y*n**x/(product[1..x]) | (x,y) <- zip [1,3..] (cycle [1,-1])] < 1246416519 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[0.0,1.5707963267948966,0.9248322292886504,1.0045248555348174,0.9998431013994987,1.0000035425842861,0.999999943741051,1.0000000006627803,0.9999999999939768,1.0000000000000437,1.0,1.0000000000000002,1.0000000000000002,1.0000000000000002,1.0000000000000002] < 1246416564 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell scanl < 1246416605 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently that line _really_ messes up something X/ < 1246416613 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell scanl < 1246416627 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell scanl < 1246416651 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell main=scanl < 1246416667 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell main=main < 1246416680 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally it actually gave the sensible error < 1246416706 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :main=main should just be an infinite loop < 1246416713 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly detected < 1246416747 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1246416841 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see how little Haskell I remember ... < 1246416855 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell main=putStr "Hello" >>= main < 1246416879 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell main=putStr "Hello" >> main < 1246416888 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah, doesn't have input... < 1246416890 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1246416898 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure that'll hit EgoBot's not-doing-anything-without-a-return "feature" < 1246416936 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it flushed output, it'd work *shrugs* < 1246416938 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, with >> anyhow < 1246416940 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>= is Monad m => m a -> (a -> m b), IIRC. < 1246416954 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1246416966 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>= is Monad m => m a -> (a -> m b) -> m b. < 1246417927 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1246420823 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1246421895 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@75-106-100-121.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1246423114 0 :rodgort!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1246423126 0 :rodgort!n=rodgort@ludios.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1246424444 0 :fungebob_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1246428191 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"The only thing I know is that I know nothing" < 1246428641 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1246431629 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :literally every link in /r/jailbait is purple :( < 1246431666 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wrong channel < 1246432109 0 :Associat0r!n=Associat@h163153.upc-h.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1246434387 0 :Associat0r!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"#proglangdesign #ltu ##concurrency" < 1246434654 0 :Associat0r!n=Associat@h163153.upc-h.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1246435199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1246435200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1246436584 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1246436703 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip70-162-184-81.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1246437100 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@77.40.165.3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1246437213 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1246437429 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1246439833 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1246440104 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1246440211 0 :M0ny!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-37-102.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1246440535 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-12-202.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1246442288 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1246447219 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1246450141 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant and/or fizzie: what is the best way to make a C style switch in befuge? The range is continuous and rather small (7 different cases). < 1246450157 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all I can think of are rather bulky variants < 1246450158 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The jump table, I guess. < 1246450178 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh with j you mean? Hm could work < 1246450207 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just the arithmetics to move the range to [0, 6] and then something like >... jvvvvvvv with the different cases below that. < 1246450209 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should make a page with befunge idioms. Like >:#,_ and such < 1246450220 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it is already in the range 0-6 < 1246450229 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1246450232 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's even easier then. < 1246450244 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though, it would be better to make it vertical in this case < 1246450259 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's up to you, of course. < 1246450358 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's at least two jump tables in fungot; one is the very visible triangle a bit before the middle part (there's not really a reason to have a triangle there except that it looks nice -- the "actions" themselves could be vertical just fine) and one vertically oriented one in the BF "bytecode" interpreter a bit after the "PROG EXECS:" comment. < 1246450358 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: people like christopher rhodes effectively kill off hope for compilation to efficient code") gives me an error < 1246450499 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Since it's continuous, j. < 1246450503 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's not, binary search with w. < 1246450737 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1246451209 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@75-106-100-121.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1246451313 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, that sounds nice. Maybe I should've used that instead of the if-elseif-elseif-else chain I have in fungot's Underload interp. < 1246451314 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie:))) would be more accurate to say that < 1246451631 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: See, you shouldn't be so hostile against w. :-P < 1246452624 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1246452660 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@77.40.165.3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1246452949 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, w would make a nicely visual search tree too! < 1246452961 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you make it balanced < 1246452979 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I know the stuff about tree rotations and such, but I don't remember how you decide when to rotate a tree or not < 1246453018 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just write it in a balanced way from the start :-P < 1246453120 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yeah I meant, how do you figure out how to make it a balanced tree. < 1246453170 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have all the data from the start, so split it evenly both ways.. < 1246453175 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc fizzie is hostile against most befunge98 things except fingerprints? < 1246453180 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might misremember < 1246453734 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is mostly true, yes. < 1246453782 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I'm not sure "hostile" is entirely the correct word. I don't carry a "DOWN WITH HERETIC FUNGE-98"/"GOD HATES FUNGE-98" signs around, for example. < 1246454376 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should, I'd like to see the reactions < 1246454440 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal, something like "what is that?" < 1246454460 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you use i and o in fungot too at least < 1246454460 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1246454461 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: do you got anything written down, i have to do is collect everything into a vector? < 1246454649 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also [a-f], j. '. But not any of [];nqrsuwxyz{} I think. Maybe k. < 1246454675 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or t, of course. < 1246454726 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1246454810 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"; considered harmful", heh. < 1246454988 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1246455456 0 :zid!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :; are pretty deadly in nethack < 1246456891 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1246457602 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@77-100-194-169.cable.ubr04.pres.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1246458071 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"part sur paris pour la japan expo - rentre le 07/07/09 en fin d'après midi" < 1246460705 0 :rodgort!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1246460708 0 :rodgort!n=rodgort@ludios.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1246461036 0 :Associ8or!n=Associat@62.194.163.153 JOIN :#esoteric < 1246461126 0 :Associ8or!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1246461557 0 :Associ8or!n=Associat@62.194.163.153 JOIN :#esoteric < 1246462110 0 :Associat0r!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Success < 1246462367 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1246463450 0 :inurinternet!n=nuri@cpe-72-132-164-88.dc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1246464086 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1246464160 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh ls bin < 1246464161 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/bin/ls: cannot access bin: No such file or directory < 1246464167 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh ls < 1246464167 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interps < 1246464195 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh ls interps < 1246464195 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1l < 1246464227 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh echo interps/ghc/* < 1246464227 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interps/ghc/runghc < 1246464249 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!cat interps/ghc/* < 1246464258 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1246464277 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ls -l interps/ghc/* < 1246464285 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1246464288 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh ls -l interps/ghc/* < 1246464289 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/bin/ls: interps/ghc/runghc: Function not implemented < 1246464304 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh cat interps/ghc/* < 1246464305 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/bash < 1246464465 0 :pikhq_!n=pikhq@75-106-100-121.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1246464500 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1246464582 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :pikhq < 1246465242 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I'm amused by how your flame at Harrop has already got 5 points < 1246465387 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1246465405 0 :pikhq_!n=pikhq@75-106-100-121.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1246465454 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :pikhq < 1246465768 0 :inurinternet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Success < 1246465788 0 :GregorR-L!n=gregor@pal-179-219.itap.purdue.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1246465846 0 :inurinternet!n=nuri@rrcs-74-62-7-76.west.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1246466854 0 :inurinternet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1246466854 0 :rodgort!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1246466854 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1246466855 0 :upyr[emacs]!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1246466855 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1246466879 0 :inurinternet!n=nuri@rrcs-74-62-7-76.west.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1246466879 0 :rodgort!n=rodgort@ludios.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1246466879 0 :M0ny!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-37-102.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1246466879 0 :upyr[emacs]!n=user@79.174.35.21 JOIN :#esoteric < 1246466879 0 :lifthrasiir!n=lifthras@haje12.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1246469006 0 :inurinternet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1246469735 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf68ca.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1246469875 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1246470516 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1246470532 0 :M0ny!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-37-102.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1246470910 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comment karma: -1056 < 1246470913 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impressive < 1246471069 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1246471171 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION considers adding Harrop's disliked posts to his favorites. Well, almost. < 1246471172 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trollface.jpg < 1246473088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, who? < 1246473111 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what < 1246473172 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any functional language without garbage collectionj < 1246473175 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :collection* < 1246473315 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: John D. Harrop, the person ehird just flamed on reddit. Shameless ocaml/F# advertiser iiuc < 1246473349 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh what a mix... < 1246473387 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically my impression was he seems to downvote every _other_ PL discussion than his favorite languages, so the top of the list was an interesting haskell post i had missed :D < 1246473404 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean mix? < 1246473516 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: functional language without garbage collection makes only a little sense, since free use of functional idioms means object lifetimes quickly become undecidable without it. < 1246473584 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although there are implementations that attempt to minimize gc with things like region inference < 1246473634 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: functional language without garbage collection makes only a little sense, since free use of functional idioms means object lifetimes quickly become undecidable without it. <-- I'm well aware of this < 1246473642 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why I wondered if there is a GC free one < 1246473643 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather < 1246473666 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one with completely manual memory management for the functional bits < 1246473692 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ocaml+F# < 1246473707 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :F# is ocaml for .NET < 1246473718 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, source code compatible? < 1246473726 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure < 1246473744 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not completely anyway < 1246473764 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it adds support for .NET types < 1246473776 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i know little more about F# < 1246473818 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i vaguely recall it also removes functors, or something like that < 1246473832 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmhm < 1246473836 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm* < 1246473907 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could've sworn that garbage collecting was straight-up required for functional programming? < 1246473943 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, well, you could possibly figure out some stuff will be dead by end of function and thus compile it into an allocation on the stack instead < 1246473948 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or similar < 1246473972 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would be surprised if at least ghc and ocaml didn't do that sort of stuff. < 1246473976 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks at oerjan < 1246473977 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *guess* if you just assumed naught but lambdas you could maybe do it... < 1246474007 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er i'm pretty sure lambdas are the source of the problem, actually, or closures rather < 1246474028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :returning a function definitely can cause problems yeah < 1246474051 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah closure to be specific < 1246474057 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Closures? Who said anything about closures? < 1246474062 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could of course return a function pointer without problems < 1246474067 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not a lambda. < 1246474073 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: lambda expressions are closures in their purest form < 1246474118 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so evaulating lambda calculus requires a GC? < 1246474128 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. Closures. Why did I think 'continuation' when I saw that? XD < 1246474128 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1246474175 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although reference counting suffices. or you could copy the next step somewhere... but that would be inefficient. < 1246474299 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"zealot" was the word i couldn't remember when telling who harrop was < 1246474395 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc he has admitted to willfully using disruptive postings to promote his services < 1246474427 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not just a strong opinion, but essentially commercial spamming < 1246474608 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Oh, right. Closures. Why did I think 'continuation' when I saw that? XD <-- you aren't alone to confuse them... < 1246474645 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in a channel where people cannot distinguish GregorR and Gracenotes ... < 1246474656 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ducks < 1246474671 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have precedence over 'Gr' because it's my ACTUAL, HUMAN NAME :P < 1246474685 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your name is Gr? < 1246474690 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1246474696 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :his parents were weird < 1246474696 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have precedence over 'Gr' because it's /the beginning of/ my ACTUAL, HUMAN NAME :P < 1246474710 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it is in that it's my first and last initials: GR :P < 1246474710 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's with the egorR-L? Crappy last name or something? < 1246474715 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, iirc I heard of someone known as "Grace", and I can't see why you can't have "Notes" as a family name. < 1246474728 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Considering how many strange family names there are < 1246474731 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Sure. But Gracenotes is, IIRC, male :P < 1246474741 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Whereas "Grace" is a female name) < 1246474743 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, right < 1246474747 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I know < 1246474747 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome, I want a dash in my last name too < 1246474761 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: BTW, you think family names here are weird, wait till you check out Japanese ones. < 1246474765 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Nonono, it's hyphenated. My dad's last name is egorR, my mom's is L < 1246474771 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1246474771 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I wouldn't know what they mean < 1246474773 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of them were invented in the late 1800s. < 1246474773 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, mixed case < 1246474850 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1246475143 0 :Slereah!n=Slereah@ANantes-259-1-15-183.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1246475219 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl food < 1246475603 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1246476812 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1246477269 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1246477499 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1246478317 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is lambda in scheme called that? < 1246478487 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't *that* closely related to lambda as far I understand? < 1246478505 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it is < 1246479287 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster: sure it is < 1246479300 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its just an n-ary lambda, thats all. < 1246479907 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, ah right < 1246480123 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION found some music that he thinks ehird will like < 1246480141 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c8F99BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1246480488 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1246481020 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1246481027 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sourceforge was redesigned again? < 1246481043 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell < 1246481050 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, you noticed? < 1246481372 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was that email about it. < 1246481377 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I jumped ship from Sourceforge a long time ago. < 1246481390 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's soooo terrible right now (or maybe this latest redesign was an improvement?) < 1246481406 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YIKES < 1246481408 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not an improvement. < 1246481424 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"On Tuesday 2009-06-30 at 16:00 UTC, we will be testing the first phase of our new consumer (user) pages." Then they'll revert it, and then launch on Wednesday 2009-07-01. I guess this might be the actual launch now. < 1246481447 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What they say they're doing is: "We have received feedback from you and your fellow project administrators that we need an easier path for users to download your software." < 1246481451 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it easier now? < 1246481463 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a giant green "Download now!" button. < 1246481477 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, couldn't be much easier than that! < 1246481508 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c8F99BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1246481988 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1246482010 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sourceforge redesigned *again*? < 1246482032 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must've taken another hit of the Enterprise. < 1246482365 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster: you think i go on sourceforge? < 1246482367 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how cute. < 1246482416 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is an amusing way of compiling C to JVM... < 1246482428 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have GCC compile to MIPS. Compile MIPS to JVM. < 1246482435 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, ? < 1246482449 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i do not visit sourceforge. < 1246482451 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, you generally end up having to download some project from there every now and then < 1246482459 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really! < 1246482489 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : There's a giant green "Download now!" button. <--- that was there before? < 1246482490 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :their new site makes me thing: crappy file hosting site/url squatter < 1246482500 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, the new one yes < 1246482503 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Yes, exactly. < 1246482513 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like a mix between that and github < 1246482514 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow < 1246482534 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :long live bzr and hg! < 1246482552 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :launchpad has keept almost the same design for years now < 1246482556 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only minor changes < 1246482858 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1246483708 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1246484729 0 :augur_!n=augur@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1246484729 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1246486444 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: cfunge fails for files with mac line endings < 1246486665 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mac line endings fail. < 1246486671 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both metaphorically and quite literally. < 1246486701 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, what version? < 1246486706 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trunk < 1246486717 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, can you filebin the file in question < 1246486726 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I tested it on mycology converted to CR line endings < 1246486728 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works < 1246486774 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, pastebin won't work, they mangle < 1246486777 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs a filebin < 1246486784 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or upload with scp or similiar < 1246486809 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waits < 1246486845 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 1-:#v_@ < 1246486850 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, filebin < 1246486856 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why the fuck would I filebin that < 1246486864 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, there is no line ending at all in that you pasted < 1246486878 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a line of text, it ends in a newline < 1246486916 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, it is an infinite loop? < 1246486923 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least it never seems to end here < 1246486930 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Your loader infinite loops. < 1246486942 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I was using LF line endings here to test it... < 1246486944 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first < 1246486957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tix=0 tid=0 x=4 y=0: v (118) < 1246486957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Stack has 1 elements, top 5 (or less) elements: < 1246486957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : -1 < 1246486962 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinite loop yeah for LF < 1246486963 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you're right, that one doesn't trigger it :-( < 1246486966 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets try CR < 1246486970 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah! < 1246486990 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION runs recode /CR test.b98 < 1246486999 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exact same result < 1246487012 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, closing bug as INVALID < 1246487028 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Shut up, I told you the case was flawed < 1246487032 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : > v < 1246487032 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^ < < 1246487035 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, please reopen if you have a working test case < 1246487039 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ^. < 1246487040 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay... < 1246487061 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including the leading spaces. < 1246487065 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right... < 1246487080 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinite loop with LF as expected < 1246487083 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION recodes < 1246487091 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same result with CR? < 1246487113 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I'm sorry, I can't reproduce, I get an infinite loop in the program according to the trace. Not in the loader < 1246487122 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that infinite loop is expected < 1246487134 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It's not the loader, I misspoke. The trace says that the v never finds the <. < 1246487144 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tix=0 tid=0 x=20 y=0: v (118) < 1246487145 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Stack is empty. < 1246487145 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tix=0 tid=0 x=20 y=1: < (60) < 1246487145 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Stack is empty. < 1246487148 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like it does to me? < 1246487154 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, sure you are actually using the last trunk < 1246487166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please pastebin ./cfunge -v < 1246487176 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given that I updated it fifteen minutes ago... yes < 1246487186 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, please pastebin output of ./cfunge -v < 1246487206 0 :upyr[emacs]!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1246487215 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: zsh: no such file or directory: ./cfunge < 1246487228 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well, relevant path then < 1246487232 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what I meant < 1246487253 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has the wrong uname. < 1246487259 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But screw it. < 1246487263 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1246487286 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.pastie.org/private/sxj29wgewpmqvhfdzbahja < 1246487292 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1246487331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, what bit was the wrong uname btw? < 1246487353 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bit that has the uname -r. < 1246487386 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, mhm. Since I use cmake to figure it out I guess I forgot to account for cmake caching the result of that check < 1246487397 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will look at that later < 1246487419 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, okay, can reproduce it now. *debugs < 1246487427 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great. *sleeps < 1246487461 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(gdb) call fungespace_dump() < 1246487461 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Positive fungespace follows: < 1246487461 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : > v < 1246487461 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < < 1246487463 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1246487471 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders why < 1246487518 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1246487544 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1246487590 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy to fix < 1246487594 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a three line change < 1246487657 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, fix pushed < 1246487861 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That looks like four added lines to me! < 1246489739 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :augur < 1246490440 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1246491089 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1246491099 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notices people mentioning his flame in the backlog. Gee, I'm famous. < 1246491131 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1246491150 0 :augur!n=augur@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1246491210 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:00 bsmntbombdood: literally every link in /r/jailbait is purple :( < 1246491210 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:01 bsmntbombdood: ...wrong channel < 1246491211 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1246491276 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so very wrong channel < 1246491279 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:35 oerjan: AnMaster: John D. Harrop, the person ehird just flamed on reddit. Shameless ocaml/F# advertiser iiuc < 1246491283 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he does it — and he has said this — < 1246491287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to generate business for his company < 1246491292 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in his deluded, fuckheaded world, this actually works. < 1246491298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the real one, he's just an intolerable idiot < 1246491327 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why don't they ban him? < 1246491384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:28 AnMaster found some music that he thinks ehird will like < 1246491385 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o rly < 1246491400 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:43 AnMaster: sourceforge was redesigned again? < 1246491401 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:44 AnMaster: what the hell < 1246491403 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like github. < 1246491461 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : their new site makes me thing: crappy file hosting site/url squatter < 1246491463 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : looks like github. < 1246491464 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1246491468 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1246491485 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, as for that music.. < 1246491513 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, https://freedroid.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/freedroid/sound/music/Bleostrada.ogg <-- do you like it? < 1246491536 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't < 1246491637 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:34 AnMaster: ehird, so very wrong channel // yeah, I believe that was destined for #reddit < 1246491651 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:35 AnMaster: ehird, why don't they ban him? // who? he's everywhere < 1246491659 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:37 AnMaster: :D // shush, someone else said github too < 1246491667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought squatter at first < 1246491669 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too < 1246491673 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll listen in a sec. < 1246491693 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, prediction: in one year's time, it will be big news if a week passes without a redesign of sourceforge < 1246491701 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/8xaas/how_did_i_not_find_this_language_years_ago/c0aq1g9, btw, is his comment and my flame < 1246491708 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"colostomy bag" now ranks among my favourite insults < 1246491775 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, OCaml for Scientists actually costs £85 < 1246491781 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't realise it was _that_ expensive < 1246491783 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jeez harrop < 1246491882 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: downloading that thar ogg < 1246491923 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : wow, OCaml for Scientists actually costs £85 <--? < 1246491932 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jon Harrop's shitty book. < 1246491935 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1246491945 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :£85 is a ridiculous price; most programming books are like £30 < 1246492048 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that song is ok. i mean, i like the basic style, but it's still of typical game music quality < 1246492055 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/song/track/ for accuracy < 1246492069 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/8xaas/how_did_i_not_find_this_language_years_ago/ <-- what do you think about the actual thing it links to? < 1246492088 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a rather typical i-love-lisp post. not particularly interesting. < 1246492089 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never found scheme and pascal similar... < 1246492099 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I programmed in pascal yes < 1246492101 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are, in a perverse way < 1246492105 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh? < 1246492118 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure. pascal's how to do it the wrong way ;-) < 1246492137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[though original pascal, really, wasn't all that bad a language] < 1246492141 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1246492155 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, delphi is pascal gone really really bad < 1246492164 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I coded in other pascal variants too < 1246492169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :delphi is really .awful < 1246492171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*really awful. < 1246492174 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, indeed < 1246492179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to learn to write sentences linearly < 1246492195 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's especially annoying on the iphone < 1246492200 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wrote that flame on it and it took like 3 minutes < 1246492207 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :constantly trying to reposition the cursor < 1246492227 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird < 1246492230 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have i mentioned < 1246492231 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3u < 1246492240 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not recently. < 1246492243 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARGH < 1246492244 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1246492246 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3u < 1246492247 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIP Karl Malden < 1246492256 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :STOP DYING, CELEBRITIES < 1246492257 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :STOP IT < 1246492260 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whos karl malden < 1246492261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009 is a fun year for dying. < 1246492266 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Malden < 1246492275 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i wkipedi-ae-d it. < 1246492280 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man what i dont even know this guy < 1246492294 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S OKAY, BILLY MAYS IS MORE IMPORTANT < 1246492304 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're all too young to have known Karl Malden :P < 1246492306 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But still. < 1246492308 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : i need to learn to write sentences linearly <-- How do you write them then < 1246492312 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stop dying, celebrities! STOP IT! < 1246492318 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I was a celebrity, I'd be worried right now. < 1246492324 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :billy mays is so more important < 1246492329 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : RIP Karl Malden STOP DYING, CELEBRITIES <-- should I know who this is? < 1246492329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I write a basic outline or the whole thing if it's simple enough, then bat around correcting errors and rewriting and adding and removing < 1246492333 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has no clue < 1246492341 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster < 1246492350 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a Swede less than 50 years old, no :P < 1246492363 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what he does is, he constructs the semantic content of the sentence in semi-graph form < 1246492390 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then he applies a transformation algorithm that linearizes the graph, producing a set of potential sentences < 1246492390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: i'm not sure that will help :) < 1246492391 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1246492405 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, that makes perfect sense < 1246492406 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then he selects among them, choosing the one that is most pragmatically effective < 1246492412 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err ok < 1246492426 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes ehird about three and a half hours to construct each sentence < 1246492428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOLY SHIT < 1246492432 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PATRICK SWAYZE DIED < 1246492436 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who? < 1246492442 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.................. < 1246492450 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's a guy who's dead. < 1246492462 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a celebrity? < 1246492463 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if thats true < 1246492466 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((goodnight sweet prince)))))))))))))))) < 1246492468 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not much of a surprise < 1246492473 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since he had serious cancer < 1246492481 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server" < 1246492501 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: link? < 1246492502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, wikipedia says he is alive? < 1246492523 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster: if he JUST died < 1246492551 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION can find no evidence to support this observation. < 1246492571 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Made you look. < 1246492571 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Goodnight_Sweet_Prince < 1246492574 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: if he JUST died < 1246492583 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1246492585 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: ...then I wouldn't know about it. < 1246492586 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: And what, ehird is his buddy? :P < 1246492591 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: but you might! < 1246492602 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rumor mill is mysterious < 1246492721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Terms of use: no crawlers, no wget, no site copying, use of pictures, movies and text only with permission. No excessive rss feed checking." < 1246492725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑ rms cannot visit this site. < 1246492768 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1246492789 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: stallman browses the web by sending email to a daemon which then wgets the page in batch mode and emails it back to him. < 1246492802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(srsly) < 1246492807 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1246492807 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1246492814 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's on the wrong drugs, man < 1246492818 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1246492819 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like bullshit to me. < 1246492827 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: http://lwn.net/Articles/262570/ < 1246492834 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For values of bullshit equal to "rms said it". < 1246492840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is very efficient use of his time. < 1246492868 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes well < 1246492871 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im sure what he means is < 1246492874 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he doesnt browse the web < 1246492879 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which frees up a lot of his time < 1246492880 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Just read it, man. < 1246492882 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did < 1246492898 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres no way he browses the web like normal people do, given that. < 1246492909 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no duh < 1246492966 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no getting lost in wikipedia's web of links < 1246492974 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this much is very obvious < 1246493027 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what did you think about that music? < 1246493041 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:47 ehird: AnMaster: that song is ok. i mean, i like the basic style, but it's still of typical game music quality < 1246493042 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:47 ehird: s/song/track/ for accuracy < 1246493050 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Might wanna expand that backlog. < 1246493057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You DID say something the line after... < 1246493073 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Even functions are functions! I invented this concept. Just like Steve Jobs will one day." — why the lucky stiff < 1246493076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackety.org/potion/ < 1246493233 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Even functions are functions! I invented this concept. Just like Steve Jobs will one day." — why the lucky stiff <-- I'm not sure what he means with "even functions are functions"... But depending on what he means I think that has already been done... < 1246493243 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's called "a joke". < 1246493266 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah < 1246493287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :author = < 1246493287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : [...] < 1246493288 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : else: < 1246493290 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : '... probably Philip K. Dick'. < 1246493292 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION lols < 1246493476 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I don't get that joke < 1246493484 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean about steve jobs < 1246493492 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I realised it was some joke < 1246493497 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I didn't understand it < 1246493498 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: That was an extra joke. < 1246493514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first joke was "Xs are objects! Ys are functions! EVEN FUNCTIONS ARE FUNCTIONS!" < 1246493526 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: and Steve Jobs & Apple "invent" and "innovate" many things that they didn't < 1246493532 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1246493539 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, like the GUI < 1246493546 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, the Macintosh was the first GUI — invented by Steve Jobs — modulo Xerox Parc, and the team of Apple engineers who designed it. < 1246493548 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1246493559 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it=macintosh in the latter clause) < 1246493569 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, strange, but just 10 minutes ago I was reading about Xerox Alto < 1246493570 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1246493576 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scary! < 1246493597 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I mentioned it yesterday, but huh. < 1246493606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a nice system. I would like one. < 1246493720 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I knew of the "Xerox being first" thing for ages, but I was reading about the actual computer model. Haven't found any good screenshots of it's GUI yet... < 1246493745 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://toastytech.com/guis/alto.html < 1246493763 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Protip: When in want of GUI stuff, check guidebookgallery.org and toastytech. < 1246493878 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another example of Smalltalk running on a later model Alto or Star. Smalltalk provided its own GUI environment that included pop-up menus, windows, and images later referred to as icons. < 1246493879 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is what Steve Jobs saw when he visited PARC. Apple went back and implemented a more robust system and added pull down menus, desktop drag and drop, the menu bar, the Apple system menu, and modern copy and paste. < 1246493882 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://toastytech.com/guis/altost2.jpg < 1246493885 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lovely. < 1246493910 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Xerox had no interest in producing a general purpose computer. They were, and still are, a company who's products revolve around the creation and use of paper documents. They saw the general purpose computer, electronic documents, and electronic document transfer, as a potential threat to their existing business. ]] < 1246493913 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And this is why Xerox will die. < 1246494005 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: have you seen sketchpad? < 1246494015 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, is that the early vector thingy? < 1246494019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1246494024 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, think so tyen < 1246494025 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then* < 1246494032 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some video demoing it < 1246494047 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah; probably the one I got #1 on reddit for. < 1246494251 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that toastytech consistently writes "origional" instead of "original"... Strange < 1246494292 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it is some 1996 site complete with "YARR IE 5 SUCKS" and animated gifs and the like: http://toastytech.com/ < 1246494299 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GUI collection is very valuable though. < 1246494332 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's not unupdated. < 1246494340 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's some youtube references and stuff. < 1246494361 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The above sentence being proof that 's isn't "is" in a whole lot of cases) < 1246494362 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1246494406 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1246494691 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, right < 1246494698 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1246494706 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1246494785 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Intel's 34nm NAND SSDs launch in two weeks" —The Inquirer, 26 June < 1246494788 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please be true please be true < 1246495698 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF! Google result pages have quite a big margin now. Too much change. Do not want. < 1246495795 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intel also to launch 34nm CPUs in $SOON. < 1246495819 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Q1 2010 < 1246495825 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Q4 2009 < 1246495826 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget < 1246495836 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$SOON is easier. < 1246495850 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But these SSDs are going to be really gooooood prices. < 1246495861 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1246495879 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Estimated is 320GB for price of current 160GB (~$630), 160GB for price of current 80GB (~$320), 80GB for ~$150 < 1246495886 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which rocks. < 1246495898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*rock, I guess. < 1246495902 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bloody grammar. < 1246495911 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's approaching the prices I can see someone actually having one in their computer. < 1246495935 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Granted, $150 could get you a terabyte with ease, but you're not exactly buying SSD for the storage density, now are you? ;) < 1246495970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$150 is an awesome price for 2x snappiness increase in common operations. < 1246496163 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a price point at which I can see someone not spending heaps of cash on their computer actually getting one, yes. < 1246496596 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?djin (a -> b -> c) -> (a,b) -> c < 1246496600 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?djinn (a -> b -> c) -> (a,b) -> c < 1246496605 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn (a -> b -> c) -> (a,b) -> c < 1246496611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION kicks lambdab— < 1246496613 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where's it gone? < 1246497047 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ports the #haskell discussion of UIs here. < 1246497054 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish it was feasible to make a good UI system. < 1246497953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nabs lost of ideas from Potion. < 1246498081 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also. < 1246498087 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rope_(computer_science) ← Ropes are awesome. < 1246498105 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They do everything strings do, with direct indexing just being a liiiittle bit slower in some cases. < 1246498113 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then beat the shit out of them with sub-linear common operations. < 1246498113 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :COMPUTER BONDAGE < 1246498128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Constant concatenation (including prepending). < 1246498131 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Logarithmic substring. < 1246498134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Logarithmic indexing. < 1246498137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linear iteration. < 1246498143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(indexing is amortized constant, though) < 1246498158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you could add flattening ropes into one node as part of your GC-esque task) < 1246498172 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if ropes would be good as vector replacements too < 1246498196 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a trivial way to make a good UI system. First, invent the direct mind-computer interface. < 1246498214 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Second, you know the rest. < 1246498237 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You still need an in-mind UI. < 1246498253 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, that's good and all, but I'm waiting for the singularity for that. < 1246498254 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1246498280 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote First, invent the direct mind-computer interface. Second, you know the rest. < 1246498282 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21| First, invent the direct mind-computer interface. Second, you know the rest. < 1246498298 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \m/ \m/ < 1246498298 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  `\o/ < 1246498299 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    | < 1246498299 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(_|'|_) < 1246498310 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit myndzi! < 1246498344 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woooooo < 1246498349 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE: First, invent the direct mind-computer interface. Second, learn the rest with your NEW MIND-COMPUTER INTERFACE. < 1246498351 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22|IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE: First, invent the direct mind-computer interface. Second, learn the rest with your NEW MIND-COMPUTER INTERFACE. < 1246498353 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \m/ < 1246498358 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No? < 1246498371 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Ah, Dinosaur Comics. < 1246498384 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /o/ < 1246498384 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :           | < 1246498384 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :          /\ < 1246498393 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o\ < 1246498393 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  | < 1246498393 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /'\ < 1246498399 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o// < 1246498401 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You're an expert on Olde English. What would you ask someone for if you were asking for themself? < 1246498402 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, < 1246498408 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"foo: yourself" < 1246498411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thou? < 1246498416 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thouselfst? < 1246498438 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Þyself. < 1246498451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1246498463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But it's from the perspective of that agent. < 1246498467 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just like "foo: name?" < 1246498479 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"foo: blah?" (is foo) < 1246498487 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not sure what you're asking. < 1246498512 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You can ask an agent (foo) for things like: < 1246498514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"name?" < 1246498515 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"age?" < 1246498520 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"place of birth?" < 1246498522 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"friends?" < 1246498524 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"spouse?" < 1246498538 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What would it be for the thing that makes it give you the agent (foo) in Olde-style English? < 1246498540 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., "yourself" < 1246498555 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this context? "Yourself". < 1246498574 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But that's not olde! < 1246498584 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(þou is the second person singular *familiar*, you covers all the rest.) < 1246498613 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine, fine. "Yourſelf". < 1246498665 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bha :P < 1246498666 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah :P < 1246498989 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :New! Drag and drop < 1246498989 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Drag messages into labels and labels onto messages. < 1246498991 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your labels moved up here < 1246498993 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To get you started, we put your most used labels here and hid the labels you use the least under "4 more". < 1246498996 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1246498998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1246499000 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOGLE. < 1246499002 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't do that shit to me. < 1246499004 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're CHANGING STUFF. < 1246499006 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stop it!!! < 1246499026 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The four more aren't labels, just Starred, Chats, All Mail and Bin, so I guess I don't really use much stuff huh. < 1246499041 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hugs his IMAP < 1246499068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I wanted to as well, but wake me up when you have conversation-style layout, flexible labels instead of stupid folders, truly awesome search, ... < 1246499084 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a project but then I realised I was duplicating years of Google man effortt. < 1246499087 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :effort, even. < 1246499094 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also writing desktop apps sucks like shit. < 1246499101 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have conversation-style layout... < 1246499115 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not labels or awesome search, sadly. < 1246499134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O rly? < 1246499155 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That means "the emails of a thread in order in one frame, instead of hitting the 'next' key all the time and having to bat backwards and forth." < 1246499161 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\."$/"./ < 1246499194 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strictly speaking, I hit the "Page Down" key to go to another email. ... And to go down a page in my email. < 1246499227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what you're saying is threaded layout, not conversation layout. < 1246499229 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not what I said. < 1246499234 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1246499237 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. < 1246499250 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOGLE HAS AJAX AND WEB2.0 AND THATS EVIL. < 1246499284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'm a less principled man than you in face of usability :P < 1246499327 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just have a radically different idea of usability than most. < 1246499334 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Most of that idea involves telling programs to fuck off. < 1246499343 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programs suck, documents rule. < 1246499355 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately 90% of existing OSs disagree. < 1246499358 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to punch said OSs. < 1246499366 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Smalltalk gets it, though.) < 1246499387 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smalltalk seems to get a lot right. < 1246499460 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: BTW, know how you said using Plan 9 was tempting? If you use nothing but Plan 9 on your personal desktop(s) for a month, and actively use the computer during this time, I'll, uh, do nothing but stand by and idly be amazed at how either you're (a) incredibly flexible with tools or (b) amazingly capable of just playing Hunt the Wumpus and using IRC via a socket for a month. < 1246499463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1246499483 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way < 1246499485 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!wumpus < 1246499488 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::> < 1246499502 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nescience: That did a lot. < 1246499505 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :supports multiple players who can therefore kill each other < 1246499512 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!wumpus < 1246499516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hum dum. < 1246499529 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's too much text to run on irc, it operates via dcc chat < 1246499539 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may be blocking them? < 1246499539 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welp, I can't use dcc. < 1246499545 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Client don't know none of dat shit. < 1246499549 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1246499553 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your client sux :( < 1246499556 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thx < 1246499557 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nescience: ehird uses a shit client, ignore him. < 1246499558 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!wumpus < 1246499562 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could possibly telnet to it < 1246499565 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also runs as a dcc server < 1246499570 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha < 1246499570 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure < 1246499582 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Client connects to Server and sends: < 1246499584 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nescience: ip? < 1246499584 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :100 clientnickname < 1246499587 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When Server receives this, it sends: < 1246499587 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme see if i can remember the port < 1246499593 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :101 servernickname < 1246499595 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2966 says the dcc request < 1246499596 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Connection is established, users can now chat. < 1246499608 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not the dccserver port < 1246499609 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the port for that dcc session < 1246499616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1246499752 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the dccserver is 2421 < 1246499757 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ip 216.231.36.84 < 1246499762 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's not that, it's 2422 < 1246499783 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% telnet 216.231.36.84 2421 < 1246499783 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying 216.231.36.84... < 1246499784 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually 2422 might be a telnet interface < 1246499784 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :100 ehird < 1246499785 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget < 1246499786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess it's not 2421. < 1246499793 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crap < 1246499796 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ports not forwarded, new router < 1246499798 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor 2422. < 1246499799 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1246499822 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ports not forwarded, new router< < 1246499825 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION logs in < 1246499929 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1246499931 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try 2422 first < 1246499938 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's actually a telnet interface, forgot i had it < 1246499971 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not, it's a little weird < 1246499974 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need linemode i think < 1246500004 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To enter the caves, speak thy name. < 1246500004 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :100 ehird < 1246500007 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Egads, what a mouthful! (try a different nick) < 1246500009 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ehord" worked. < 1246500012 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now to spell it right. < 1246500022 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i don't recall what that error is for < 1246500025 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think sanity checking < 1246500037 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i started in character mode telnet so it didn't work well, i got that error a bunch < 1246500046 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the space kicked it off or sth. < 1246500086 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I task you with making unicode symbol entry easy in OSs. Plz make cent, forall and the like work, by searching fulltext without spaces (i.e. f,o,r,a,l,l) and with some reordering stuff. < 1246500088 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kthx. < 1246500090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm trying to use jewnicode) < 1246500113 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on an irc client, it colors lines because you see other people's status lines < 1246500119 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :allowing you to deduce their location and shoot them ;) < 1246500122 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1246500126 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun < 1246500160 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a map that has only 5 rooms and one that has like 50 < 1246500171 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some various ones inbetween .. i have a lot of fun with that game on occasion :) < 1246500180 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there's a high score thing but i think it doesn't save when i exit mirc < 1246500203 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I left :P < 1246500207 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a short attention span < 1246500209 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew i got yellow < 1246500222 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't see that on white, oh well < 1246500224 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to go < 1246500313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bai < 1246502336 0 :rodgort!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1246502382 0 :rodgort!n=rodgort@ludios.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1246502743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle random < 1246502751 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr < 1246502829 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1246505024 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1246505121 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reads a Chick tract which starts by raping evolution and then turns to raping fundamental particle physic < 1246505121 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1246505181 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so much easier to get your religion just right when you don't need to worry about the actual universe. *sigh* < 1246505208 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a "Chick tract" and how is it distinct from a "tract" ... < 1246505222 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Jack Chick's special brand of fundamentalist bullshit. < 1246505228 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0055/0055_01.asp < 1246505235 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things that are not real: (a) evolution, (b) gluons < 1246505241 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Hilarious reading if you forget that he's serious. < 1246505242 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.asp; SHOCKED < 1246505262 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :active shocking pages? < 1246505280 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Among other things, he's claimed that Tolkien and Lewis were antiChristian satanists. < 1246505284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actively shitting p-onscience. < 1246505287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: O_O < 1246505317 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Tolkien being a noted Catholic fantasy author, and Lewis being about as obnoxiously Christian as you can get while still seeming to have *some* grasp on reality) < 1246505336 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What grasp would this be? < 1246505340 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HURR GIANT LION IT'S LIKE CHRISTIANITY < 1246505347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HURR LET'S WRITE TONS OF BOOKS ABOUT THINLY-VEILED CHRISTIANITY < 1246505353 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WAS AN ATHEIST ANGRY AT GOD FOR NOT EXISTING. THAT MAKES SENSE, RIGHT? < 1246505367 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was only the Chronicles of Narnia. < 1246505378 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually the last one was his personal account < 1246505379 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it is hard to be an atheist angry at god for _existing_, isn't it < 1246505383 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of the rest were just straight-up Christianity. < 1246505417 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though he did a nice completely non-Christian retelling of a few Greek myths. < 1246505446 0 :r89w3n!i=46355421@gateway/web/freenode/x-dc84c3445ea55c88 JOIN :#esoteric < 1246505451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tolkien was massively racist, wasn't he? < 1246505453 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi r89w3n. < 1246505466 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rationalizationamationa[...]wetn? < 1246505468 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not especially. < 1246505475 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know i18n, but not _this_. < 1246505503 0 :r89w3n!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1246505512 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: wikipedia agrees with you < 1246505527 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He was horrified by the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, referring to the scientists of the Manhattan Project as "these lunatic physicists" and "Babel-builders".[88] < 1246505533 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot, however, forgive insulting Feynman. < 1246505575 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feynman is too badass to insult. < 1246505621 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also too likely to crack your safe for the hell of it. < 1246505647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.soapier.com/reddit_alien_molds.htm < 1246505659 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reddit alien + Bacon smell = übersoap < 1246505695 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I'm not sure I'd like my hands to smell of bacon afterwards. < 1246505699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scratch that, yes I would. < 1246505702 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Reading the Chick tract? < 1246505708 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want people to think I eat bacon constantly. < 1246505714 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They'll be soooo jealous. < 1246505716 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Smell of bacon? < 1246505720 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Merely *smell* of bacon? < 1246505730 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I don't want to have any more desire or I'll be handless. < 1246505734 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want bacon in my hands after I wash my hands! < 1246505739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unhandy, even < 1246505746 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be truly übersoap. < 1246505751 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Just figure out a way to use ACTUAL BACON as soap. < 1246505762 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES. < 1246505877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.chick.com/tractimages16113/1059/1059_18.gif < 1246505882 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is just so absurd. < 1246505916 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, ehird: I wonder what their definition of "most scientists" is :P < 1246505926 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: I wish I knew. < 1246505931 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Creationist '''''scientists'''''" < 1246505958 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I saw "vestigial pelvis" and though "vestigial penis", and went "WTF?" < 1246505977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.chick.com/tractimages16113/1059/1059_22.gif ← This is how Christians die < 1246505998 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vestigial ... pelvis? < 1246505999 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They look bright, happy, there's a ray of light and they talk normally. They reach out without any effort at all, and then they just kind of flump down, dead. < 1246506000 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doṫs hɨs ṫs and crosses hɨs ɨs. < 1246506002 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TRUFAX < 1246506006 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vestigial penis actually makes MORE sense :P < 1246506014 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The pelvis is totally useless. < 1246506027 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: They do in fact have a vestigial structure that one could call a pelvis. < 1246506032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The penis also; who needs reproduction? < 1246506034 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hip" is a more accurate term, though. < 1246506034 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who is "they"? < 1246506053 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Penises are mostly exclusive to mammals, so no, penis != strictly necessary. Just fun :P < 1246506073 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where "they" refers to whales. < 1246506079 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but our reproductive system is sorta wired to a penis... < 1246506088 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So's your MOM < 1246506093 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, BEST SETUP EVER < 1246506111 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XDDDDDDDDDDDDDD < 1246506117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MANY MOUTHS TO D MORE < 1246506119 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MOUTHES < 1246506121 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MOUTHIES < 1246506950 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (I'm trying to use jewnicode) < 1246506961 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sorry, only Slereah is allowed to do that. < 1246507956 0 :amca!n=amca@CPE-121-208-82-97.qld.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1246509670 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1246511253 0 :comex!i=comex@c-98-210-198-162.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1246511324 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1246511338 0 :comex!i=comex@c-98-210-198-162.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1246511689 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1246511793 0 :comex!i=comex@c-98-210-198-162.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1246512362 0 :inurinternet!n=nuri@cpe-72-132-164-88.dc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1246512464 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF, Google Chrome advertises? < 1246512480 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTFl, there's advertisements? < 1246512491 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF, Google Chrome advertises on television? < 1246512574 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF, people still have TVs? < 1246513026 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAFFLE < 1246513075 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CREAMPUFF < 1246513477 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1246516737 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net" < 1246516758 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1246516885 0 :amca!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Farewell" < 1246521599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1246521600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1246521999 0 :rodgort!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1246522515 0 :iEhird!n=irchon@79-68-197-221.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1246522535 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should fly in to a banana < 1246522539 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1246522542 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flying < 1246522554 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoever you are < 1246522563 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just go do it < 1246522600 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well bye < 1246522604 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1246522770 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are we quite sure ehird's not partaking in any sort of substance abuse? < 1246522798 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure? nope, not at all < 1246522826 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he seems less crazy than oklopol though < 1246522904 0 :iEhird!n=irchon@79-68-197-221.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1246522919 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie I can assure you that < 1246522928 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not not not not not < 1246522935 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not not not not < 1246522944 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not not not not not not < 1246522946 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1246522990 0 :iEhird!n=irchon@79-68-197-221.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1246522997 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not not < 1246523004 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not not not not < 1246523006 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1246523009 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, the last thing oklopol said was "this off it ->", and then he quit, after speaking of a chain of some sort, and that was on June 22 < 1246523030 0 :iEhird!n=irchon@79-68-197-221.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1246523035 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg, maybe oklopol *is* Reiser in disguise < 1246523035 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1246523038 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1246523055 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :best get going then < 1246523057 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1246523085 0 :iEhird!n=irchon@79-68-197-221.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1246523126 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEY EVRYONE WILL YOU IRC MAARY ME ABD MY NEXT QUESTION IS WH NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ...in bed ...on a plane < 1246523130 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not not not < 1246523143 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not not not not not < 1246523146 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1246523720 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip70-162-184-81.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1246523881 0 :rodgort!n=rodgort@ludios.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1246524941 0 :immibis!n=IceChat7@125-238-252-206.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1246524958 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of language has dynamic typing but no implicit type conversions? < 1246525042 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-3-87.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1246525503 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@77.40.165.3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1246525550 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1246525661 0 :iEhird!n=irchon@79-68-197-221.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1246525669 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis < 1246525672 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c < 1246525676 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :python < 1246525684 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wellc is dynamic < 1246525692 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :python perl ruby a < 1246525699 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :smalltalk.... < 1246525701 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1246525810 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1246525817 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1246525817 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1246525817 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1246525817 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1246525858 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1246525895 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Are we quite sure ehird's not partaking in any sort of substance abuse? <-- my exact thought < 1246525923 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION abuses some mackerel in tomato sauce < 1246525941 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@75-106-100-121.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1246525990 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i said "what kind of language has dynamic typing but no implicit type conversions?" i meant that "1 + 2.0" is an error < 1246525992 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl - erm, "2" + 2 yields 4 just fine. That seems somewhat implicit to me. < 1246526012 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python doesn't do it, though. < 1246526017 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither does Ruby. < 1246526028 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TypeError: cannot concatenate 'str' and 'int' objects. < 1246526031 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I am not not not not not <-- it's ok, i counted 21 nots, which is odd < 1246526044 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Are we quite sure ehird's not partaking in any sort of substance abuse? <-- my exact thought < 1246526047 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1246526051 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless that means he isn't sure himself, though < 1246526051 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened < 1246526059 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In "1 + 2.0", it's common to see 1 as being polysemously typed < 1246526062 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and Javascript's expression "2" + 2 yields "22". < 1246526077 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you should fly in to a banana [... etc.] < 1246526107 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember seeing some language where 1 + 2.0 was an error < 1246526134 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ocaml iirc, but that's not dynamic < 1246526135 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember if it was dynamically typed or not < 1246526137 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor what language it was < 1246526158 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :different operations for integer and floating point < 1246526185 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ah that may have been it < 1246526202 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's form of hindley-milner type inference doesn't manage it < 1246526205 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*its < 1246526237 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1246526248 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely recall standard ML does something hacky to manage it < 1246526263 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1246526267 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scheme also doesn't do implicit type conversions except in the sense that all 'number?' types can do arithmetics. < 1246526325 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION curses rate limiting on freenode < 1246526341 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still lagged < 1246526373 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: also haskell _technically_ doesn't convert, it's just that most relevant operations (including number literals) are overloaded to work with both integer and floating point < 1246526393 0 :comex!i=comex@c-98-210-198-162.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1246526399 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 1 + 2.0 works, but not for the reason a dynamic language person would expect < 1246526429 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1246526501 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Ping reply from oerjan: 48.01 second(s) < 1246526502 0 :iEhird!n=irchon@79-68-197-221.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1246526525 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : so 1 + 2.0 works, but not for the reason a dynamic language person would expect <-- ? < 1246526525 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny bunnies! shitfucking holes! < 1246526529 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would expect it for the same reason as it would work in C < 1246526532 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :verily ubtos < 1246526541 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster nope < 1246526549 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :implicit conversion < 1246526551 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiehird < 1246526560 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 is of type (Num a)=>a < 1246526562 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: which it doesn't do < 1246526573 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err ok... < 1246526575 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ is num a to a to a RNA < 1246526579 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to < 1246526582 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1246526598 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 1 is infeerred as the floating < 1246526599 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird == iEhird? < 1246526603 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't believe it until ehird replied yes < 1246526609 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, right < 1246526611 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn lag < 1246526613 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1246526613 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell :t 1 -- testing < 1246526615 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 -- testing :: (Num t) => t < 1246526617 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION kills freenode's rate limiting < 1246526624 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh it does accept : commands < 1246526627 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. either drunk or on iphone. you decide abnafer < 1246526643 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :abnafer! < 1246526648 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell :t (+) < 1246526649 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(+) :: (Num a) => a -> a -> a < 1246526652 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nick to AbNafer. < 1246526667 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : + is num a to a to a RNA so 1 is infeerred as the floating <-- RNA inference? ~ < 1246526689 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iEhird: iphone still doesn't explain the banana < 1246526692 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically a teipky fuggela with he Jews called all this < 1246526698 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you c? < 1246526726 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also oerjan NEITHER DOES GOD!!! < 1246526733 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1246526741 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1246526745 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Toast! < 1246526747 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1246526753 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you missed the joke? < 1246526766 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1246526770 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iEhird: well maybe _he_ abused some substance. also the banana is heavily cultured. < 1246526770 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : + is num a to a to a RNA so 1 is infeerred as the floating <-- RNA inference? ~ < 1246526773 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there < 1246526778 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. that. < 1246526790 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your mom. < 1246526796 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNA_interference -_- < 1246526835 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by iPhone battery so low/emotions sour/fuck haiku < 1246526883 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iEhird, I usually hate haiku but this one was ok :) < 1246526892 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case you didn't discombobulate already, I kind of skipped sleeping < 1246526902 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that explains it < 1246526904 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8/5/3 is not haiku. maybe fibonaiku. < 1246526908 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I don't think it's a valid haiku. < 1246526918 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fibonaiku :D < 1246526941 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1246526943 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION slept particularly well < 1246526948 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(an hour or so= < 1246526952 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/=/)/ < 1246526959 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duck you ierhab < 1246526962 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan < 1246526966 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck < 1246526972 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh just before I leave: I slept badly. They are repairing the railway close to here < 1246526980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason they do it during night < 1246526985 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot help the image of iEhird sitting there with boxing gloves on < 1246526985 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HAVNT SET FOOT IN BED < 1246526987 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is rather interesting how the use of an iPhone for typing seems to affect the content as well as the expression. < 1246526989 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a few hundred meters from here < 1246526990 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1246526996 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOR THE HOURS < 1246527012 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Hours was a horrible movie. < 1246527018 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :away < 1246527022 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just thought i'd throw that out there. < 1246527034 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you get a new value system for what's feasible to xpress < 1246527046 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Like bananas. < 1246527050 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur would have a linguistic field day < 1246527059 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1246527061 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh whats this now < 1246527068 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :banana very easy to type < 1246527075 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1246527076 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how do you mean? < 1246527094 0 :iEhird!n=irchon@79-68-197-221.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1246527106 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10% bTtey!! < 1246527109 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O < 1246527115 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone link to todays log. < 1246527131 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/09.07.02 < 1246527161 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey evryone you becef me sene we never responded to my irc marriage proposal < 1246527210 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway bananas < 1246527231 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such a good word to type. works well on crap touch screen < 1246527242 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just two places to tap < 1246527256 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apple should demonstrate the kb with it. < 1246527266 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bananas. bananas. bananas. < 1246527279 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1246527298 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur read the logs to comprhende. < 1246527303 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok :D < 1246527330 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tried to say comprehende but it got lost in tyois so e looked typo .D < 1246527336 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats a good notation for variables, if bare character strings are just symbols? < 1246527336 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1246527346 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any unicode is acceptable. < 1246527355 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$php4eva < 1246527365 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :☞variable < 1246527376 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :•var < 1246527381 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elegant! < 1246527388 0 :asiekierka!i=asiekier@078088180066.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1246527398 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, or ☠var. Since they are DANGEROUS. < 1246527403 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :we induct pikhqs http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D | The topic must mustn't contain the phrase "esoteric programming languages" AT ALL TIMES < 1246527409 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1246527411 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interroganf < 1246527411 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been getting recommendations for either ‹var› or «var» < 1246527421 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOR HOMT FUCH SGIT < 1246527425 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :☠var☢iable☣ < 1246527430 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once again want to make a C64 OS < 1246527434 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur ••• < 1246527440 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :•var < 1246527441 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interroganf, a little known town in wales < 1246527444 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you talking about < 1246527448 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or •var• < 1246527456 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1246527473 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur I thought of a rationalIzation < 1246527495 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1246527501 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: iEhird's crappy iphone keyboard < 1246527509 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Gaskell removin points is remving var occcurences. var is point. • is point < 1246527518 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO USE • QED < 1246527522 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1246527522 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iphone keyboards suck < 1246527725 0 :iEhird!n=irchon@79-68-197-221.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1246527729 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iEhird: i was considering using ẋ and the like < 1246527734 0 :M0ny!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-37-102.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1246527736 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fdudkinv epic < 1246527744 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right after I said we'd < 1246527747 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WE'D < 1246527752 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :QED < 1246527762 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :disconnected battery empty < 1246527768 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same second < 1246527776 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too perfect < 1246527782 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1246527802 0 :iEhird!n=irchon@79-68-197-221.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1246527827 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone link me the logs < 1246527859 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/09.07.02 < 1246527885 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird < 1246527887 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your internet sucls. < 1246527887 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1246527890 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1246527891 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fuck man < 1246528008 0 :iEhird!n=irchon@79-68-197-221.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1246528028 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Internet is fne read what the duck I said < 1246528029 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/09.07.02 < 1246528033 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck < 1246528038 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx oerjan < 1246528045 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ørjan even < 1246528142 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bgud t f educ dkfksdpegac ehxa DC ruvrlcsicircksckajer g < 1246528152 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1246528155 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, almost certainly. < 1246528172 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aoej food < 1246528182 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :en nenfnr rbbf cu fjjagcghwh hwhb euchehhehuf ifjchhd < 1246528197 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can say that again. < 1246528231 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I can't. no copy and paste. < 1246528247 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't got 3.0 yet :-P < 1246528252 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :we induct iPhone keyboards http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D | The topic must mustn't contain the phrase "esoteric programming languages" AT ALL TIMES < 1246528271 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear it can only "copy all" < 1246528283 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1246528288 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fine grained < 1246528297 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using dah loupe < 1246528302 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :notypo < 1246528328 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You copy using a cantaloupe. < 1246528345 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the fruit conspiracy again. < 1246528349 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as it isn't a basselope < 1246528354 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuch you man < 1246528355 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except wasn't banana a type of fish? < 1246528360 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brass added < 1246528372 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :banana banana banana banana vabababababababababanananananana < 1246528384 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fuchsia is bright < 1246528410 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :banana, a bad ass bass < 1246528414 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1246528426 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Old Man] The Black Omen sparkles in the sun! Tomorrow should be clear, too. [Choras Inn, 1000 A.D.] < 1246528430 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reset my froodvoblt to reset intova vacant alley stare < 1246528457 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :COOOOOOMPAQQQQQQ!!!!!!! < 1246528465 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :froodvoblt sounds so douglas adams < 1246528480 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :saw it on old CRT monitor nearby. realize was easy to type < 1246528484 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so....... < 1246528498 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :frood was drops initially < 1246528503 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :drops not drops < 1246528508 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :frood < 1246528553 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FWFI was frood initially! < 1246528625 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish reset my froodvoblt to reset intova vacant alley stare < 1246528625 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reset my fruudfublt tu reset intufa fecunt elley stere-a < 1246528642 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just as comprehensible < 1246528651 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fecunt < 1246528662 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fecal + cunt < 1246528670 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1246528678 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1246528696 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BORK BORK BORK < 1246528709 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a fecund word, i bet < 1246528748 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this wasp/Hornet keeps trying to fuck my window. < 1246528769 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasps with fetishes can be dangerous < 1246528784 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"If you think nobody cares, try missing a few payments" < 1246528791 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hornet < 1246528797 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure < 1246528805 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't kbowvthe difference < 1246528850 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm serious it keeps humping the window pane < 1246528851 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hornets are the largest eusocial wasps" < 1246528859 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. k < 1246528958 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clicky 4 me --------> http://reddit.com < 1246528969 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still here though < 1246529120 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ping < 1246529138 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm interesting it seems norway doesn't really have hornets < 1246529189 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only one species occasionally observed < 1246529201 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or lions; tigers < 1246529230 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone type reddit URL for me thx < 1246529245 0 :Associ8or!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"#proglangdesign #ltu ##concurrency" < 1246529256 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are 12 other wasp species here, though < 1246529270 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://reddit.com < 1246529280 0 :iEhird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1246529961 0 :Associat0r!n=Associat@h163153.upc-h.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1246530023 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server" < 1246530608 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1246531439 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1246534267 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is ehird now doing that unnatural sleeping rhythm thing? < 1246534281 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1246534281 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He did ask us to tell him if he goes insane trying < 1246536500 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1246536885 0 :Gracenotes_!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1246537740 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1246537812 0 :upyr[emacs]!n=user@79.174.35.21 JOIN :#esoteric < 1246537895 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :asie[afk] < 1246537915 0 :asie[afk]!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :asiekierka < 1246539412 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: nope < 1246539417 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just doing the insomnia thing < 1246539435 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uberman's otoh would probably be healthier than the sleep fuckfest I have < 1246539441 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: plz don't say unnatural btw < 1246539445 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :polyphasic sleep is natural < 1246539466 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :many-phased when an infant and biphasic after is the natural human sleep system < 1246539471 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uberman's is just shifting the latter to the former < 1246540313 0 :Associat0r!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"#proglangdesign #ltu ##concurrency" < 1246540812 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :asie[afk] < 1246541261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Also, Gary won a sweepstakes in Finland. He went over there to collect his prize, and that turned into a fourteen week ordeal. He says the Finnish are very nice, but "they need to make more sense."]] < 1246541267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie and Deewiant: Take heed! < 1246541295 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I make sense all the time. < 1246541312 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No you doquar tub la be du falafel. < 1246541640 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I knew you'd take issue with "unnatural", but I said it anyway. < 1246541671 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: YEAH WELL, YOU'RE FINLANDICERIC. YOU GO INTO UNNATURAL SAUNAS MADE OUT OF UNNATURAL SOYLENT GREAN PEOPLE. < 1246541675 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNCLAPPERBY < 1246542482 0 :asie[afk]!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :asiekierka < 1246542597 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1246542843 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if `n to m` can work instead of `n to (m)` if we're relying on `x y z` where z isn't parenthesized to be `x y () z` < 1246542845 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prolly not < 1246542895 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean for arbitrary `to`s < 1246542910 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thinking about things when i'm tired is a dumb move i think < 1246544022 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.120 JOIN :#esoteric < 1246544069 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hi < 1246544296 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1246544902 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello ais523 < 1246544907 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1246545006 0 :MigoMipo!i=c1b7fd21@gateway/web/freenode/x-f6c151ee24682d86 JOIN :#esoteric < 1246545053 0 :nooga!n=nooga@83.9.186.37 JOIN :#esoteric < 1246545117 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9g9MpLAH5Ps << lol'd hard @ the ending < 1246545118 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmao < 1246545268 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1246545338 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.120 JOIN :#esoteric < 1246545668 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"reboot" < 1246546064 0 :MizardX!i=MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1246546689 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1246546729 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Page closed" < 1246546883 0 :MigoMipo!i=c1b7fd21@gateway/web/freenode/x-b43493a305fcc539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1246546997 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.120 JOIN :#esoteric < 1246547008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb ais523 < 1246547056 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :connection issues < 1246547117 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1246547117 0 :upyr[emacs]!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1246547117 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1246547158 0 :MizardX!i=MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1246547158 0 :upyr[emacs]!n=user@79.174.35.21 JOIN :#esoteric < 1246547158 0 :Slereah!n=Slereah@ANantes-259-1-15-183.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1246547298 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1246547328 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ROTFL. Here's some evidence for you: Lisp had 50 years to get anywhere and it failed abysmally and, with me on the scene, functional programming is finally getting somewhere." < 1246547333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :— Jon Harrop to me. < 1246547352 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw it on Twitter: Harrop's ego has been blasted into low orbit. < 1246547359 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is he? < 1246547370 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more or less amazingly brilliant at everything than Wolfram? < 1246547417 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: A person who trolls usenet, reddit and more with his disgusting shitfest of FUD and idiotic rambling nonsense about Haskell, Lisp and other languages, instead plugging OCaml, F# and his retarded, useless consultancy that nobody gives a damn about. He has actually said that the "controversy" drives business to him. < 1246547433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can guess he's very successful: spending his days trolling usenet actually increases his revenue. < 1246547462 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, I think Graue's just changed something on esolang to try to stop the spambots < 1246547467 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the last couple of minutes < 1246547474 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he's blocked the url /w/index.php < 1246547484 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without realising that all actions except view go through there < 1246547508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1246547516 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait no, probably everywhere < 1246547518 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The precondition on the request for the URL /wiki/Main_Page evaluated to false." < 1246547532 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, I think it's blocking referrers /from itself/ < 1246547536 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works if I retype the URL by hand < 1246547554 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1246547575 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION digs out the Nomic World Game 1 logs to tell Harrop to go aeaeisseistjisetc under a rock. < 1246547589 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idonno, just seems to work to me. < 1246547591 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gotta get my extremely-obscure insult references right. < 1246547594 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone else try to follow an internal link in the wiki < 1246547613 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am. < 1246547616 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Works fine. < 1246547620 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: what about editing a page? < 1246547642 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr, the nomic ftp repository appears to be down or cronically slow < 1246547648 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: got the nomic world log? < 1246547653 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well, I'm not committing anything, but I can get to the editing page. < 1246547664 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try pressing show preview < 1246547693 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay it done load < 1246547707 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr < 1246547709 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong file < 1246547711 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, idea: then try going to one of those spambot pages, trying to edit it, and pressing show preview < 1246547715 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there < 1246547721 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is it's blocking text that matches the spambot pattern anywhere in the request < 1246547725 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :including the referer header < 1246547771 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In closing, I leave you with some sound advice from days past: Get a life and shut up. Stop cluttering the internet with your inane prattle. Go aestivate under a rock somewhere. In short, feep off and die." < 1246547773 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So tempting to hit save. < 1246547775 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO TEMPTING TO HIT SAVE> < 1246547780 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except with a ., not a > < 1246547875 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kindly defenestrate yourself, idiot (Yittra, Sep 28 06:13) < 1246547879 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, they had such good insults in 1992 < 1246548130 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/8xaas/how_did_i_not_find_this_language_years_ago/c0ar2kh < 1246548131 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bam! < 1246548275 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@77.100.194.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1246548598 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: "ROTFL. Here's some evidence for you: Lisp had 50 years to get anywhere and it failed abysmally and, with me on the scene, functional programming is finally getting somewhere." < 1246548599 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:08 ehird: — Jon Harrop to me. < 1246548603 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1246548609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's an idiot < 1246548703 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:31 Peaker: ehird was on my ignore list for ages.. I think I put him there after some antisemitic racial slurs.. < 1246548703 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, that's so ... egomaniacal ... < 1246548703 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:31 ehird: .........what? < 1246548706 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑ lol wat? < 1246548723 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"with me on the scene..." "i'm a sex machine" < 1246548728 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, he didn't imply there was a causal connection < 1246548745 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1246548784 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:32 ehird: Peaker: I have no idea what the flippin' hell you're talking about < 1246548784 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:32 Peaker: testers: almost as bad an epidemic as jews. :-| < 1246548786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:32 ehird: fair enough. useless without context and almost certainly a (bad, admittedly) joke, but if you want to ignore me that's your choice < 1246548801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_o < 1246548820 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANTI SEMITIC RCIAL SLURS!!!! < 1246548950 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow I manage to get by without using racist remarks as jokes. < 1246548972 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: That's just because you're prejudiced against mothers. < 1246548998 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funny, that's just what your mom said last night. < 1246549005 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly you were requesting that by name, making it no funny at all :P < 1246549008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though you're right, I'm not going to make any anti-mother racist sexist retard-ist stupid-ist not-all-that-clever-ist religion-ist anything-ist jokes. < 1246549009 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*not < 1246549014 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q: Why did the chicken cross the road? < 1246549022 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A: To enrichen his life and discover new possibilities. < 1246549030 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1246549035 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually am laughing out loud. < 1246549045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. That's... rare. < 1246549050 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might want to get that checked ou. < 1246549051 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t. < 1246549209 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, "your mom" jokes aren't "anti-mother" jokes, as they refer to a specific mother; yours :P ) < 1246549242 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anti-specific-mother. < 1246549331 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So about how I'm totally going to Italy tomorrow wooooooooooooooooh. < 1246549353 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Italy is booooring. < 1246549357 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go to the YOUUUUUUUUUUU KAYYYYYYYYYY < 1246549370 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Snot my choice. Also I've been to the UK. < 1246549382 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, what about combing two of those? < 1246549388 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Thats what your mom said!! < 1246549391 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1246549398 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... < 1246549400 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not funny. < 1246549409 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, GregorR, but have you CONSCIOUSLY AVOIDED ME while in the UK? It's a whole new experience. < 1246549413 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not out of context < 1246549420 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, ever. < 1246549424 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: It was 2004 when I went there :P < 1246549432 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Right then! < 1246549436 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I don't think I've ever conciously avoided you either < 1246549449 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You're missing out. Or missing in. I don't know which. < 1246549458 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so I'll amend my previous statement: < 1246549459 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although if Hexham's as boring as you claim it is, that might give me an incentive to avoid your hometown and so avoid you by implication < 1246549473 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So about how I'm totally going to Italy tomorrow and don't have to pay for it wooooooooooooooooh. < 1246549482 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it has regular stores, and some houses, and an abbey. < 1246549488 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's not much to BE exciting. < 1246549505 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: but hoooooooooooooooow < 1246549516 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gwahahahah < 1246549541 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does an abbey differ from a monastery btw? < 1246549543 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so actually I'm going to a conference, and in my experience that means very little vacationy time, BUT STILL :P < 1246549553 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: There's no monks in an abbey, for one. < 1246549565 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm? < 1246549576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I said was... very simple. < 1246549578 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This abbey, at least. < 1246549582 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also this abbey is... small. < 1246549586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, church-sized. < 1246549592 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`define abbey < 1246549593 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* a church associated with a monastery or convent \ * a convent ruled by an abbess \ [21]wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn < 1246549594 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's a type of church? < 1246549603 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawlawl < 1246549604 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I don't even know I've just been in it once < 1246549611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just looks like a church to me and it's called Hexham Abbey < 1246549613 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to figure out what lawlawl even means < 1246549620 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it has a clock on the side. < 1246549626 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexham_Abbey < 1246549651 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, word splitting must be "law lawl" I think < 1246549700 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolawlawlololawl < 1246549705 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION watches ais523's brain explode. < 1246549712 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lo law law lo lo lawl? < 1246549718 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: how? this computer doesn't have a webcam < 1246549727 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: He's behind you. < 1246549731 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo. < 1246549735 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, don't look. Now he's being you again. < 1246549740 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: wrong continent < 1246549758 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's < 1246549758 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm still behind you, you'll just have to look a few thousand miles to see me. < 1246549758 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1246549760 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he < 1246549762 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wants < 1246549764 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you < 1246549766 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to < 1246549768 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think. < 1246549773 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DUNDUNDUN < 1246549783 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to figure out which compass direction is in front of the < 1246549793 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, I can't be bothered < 1246549794 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the? < 1246549797 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the what < 1246549807 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: He forgot to capitalize: Is in front of THE < 1246549826 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He accidentally the noun. < 1246549827 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE what? < 1246549834 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an acronym. < 1246549836 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1246549849 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tormenting Hell, England < 1246549851 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a city. < 1246549851 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to use singular they, and left the last letter off by mistake < 1246549854 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A poorly named one. < 1246549861 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but that's incorrect too < 1246549875 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: It stands for T.H.E. Human Exoskeleton, actually. < 1246549900 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: of course it's incorrect, I left the last letter off < 1246549915 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ais523 tries to figure out which compass direction is in front of they" < 1246549918 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not correct. < 1246549932 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: "them" < 1246549938 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1246549947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not singular they. < 1246549949 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's singular them. < 1246550320 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2dfKm8XzSQ < 1246550322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gahahaha < 1246550387 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/7200/642pxhexhamabbey.jpg gahahahaha < 1246550408 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things picture lacks: (a) correct spelling of name, (b) humour. < 1246550440 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a) too lazy to check the correct spelling, (b) i know < 1246550449 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, someone just sued the SCO leadership personally, for theft of trade secrets < 1246550459 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooooh. < 1246550467 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc, that doesn't mean they have a case, but it's certainly making things even weirder < 1246550542 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err wait... someone sued SCO? Not the other way around? Hm. Also who? < 1246550565 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: nobody I've heard of < 1246550581 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is that someone was looking at SCO's tricks, and decided to practice them themself < 1246550593 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh.. that could be expensive < 1246550617 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not if they win. < 1246550623 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so? SCO ran out of money ages ago, they're still going < 1246550623 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true... < 1246550637 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how? < 1246550646 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Haha < 1246550651 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: nothing that makes a whole lot of sense < 1246550655 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1246550670 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whenever they're about to be shut down, some incredibly convoluted and surprising development happens < 1246550678 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which causes everyone to have to reconsider for ages < 1246550696 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then they sue somebody < 1246550700 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, someone thought that this might be part of a massive legal system for SCO to end up with the UNIX copyrights, that can only be done in bankruptcy court < 1246550709 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1246550846 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sort-of makes sense in that bankruptcy court's the only place you can change a slightly invalid copyright title into a clean one < 1246551129 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why stall then? < 1246551152 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: the only plausible explanation I've seen for SCO's behaviour is that someone's paying them to stall < 1246551160 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1246551166 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they've certainly been quite good at it, over a year now < 1246551177 0 :augur!n=augur@71.196.114.50 JOIN :#esoteric < 1246551193 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people seem to want punching over tcp/ip < 1246551197 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i have a more likely idea < 1246551204 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if we could transfer punches over legalese? < 1246551213 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't rule it out < 1246551219 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :legalese is pretty crazy < 1246551233 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just write a 20-page appeals brief which also happens to be an ASCII art goatse < 1246551254 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1246551516 0 :inurinternet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1246551904 0 :GregorR-L!n=gregor@pal-179-218.itap.purdue.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1246552105 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1246552220 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Concept: memory-mapped CPU. < 1246552221 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Discuss. < 1246552236 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1246552312 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What exactly would this entail? < 1246552337 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 command: < 1246552342 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is why I said "discuss" :P < 1246552343 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MOV mem,mem < 1246552349 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinite memory < 1246552350 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WIN < 1246552391 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which Jon Harrop has a comprehension of "irony" par with that of Alanis Morissette's: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/8xaas/how_did_i_not_find_this_language_years_ago/c0ar3ej < 1246552444 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, a mov machine. < 1246552450 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I <3 mov machines. < 1246552459 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: You sure talk about this Jon Harrop guy a lot. < 1246552474 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: I flamed him yesterday, flames ensue. < 1246552478 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect this animosity is a cover :P < 1246552483 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mentioning him ~3 times in two days as part of one continuous thread sure is "a lot". < 1246552488 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because people in the middle of something never do that? < 1246552582 0 :inurinternet!n=nuri@rrcs-74-62-7-76.west.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1246552759 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Re mov machine: Remember that with memory-mapped CPU, your CPU instructions could write new instructions :P < 1246552803 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye---wait, what < 1246552836 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the target of your instruction was in the area of memory mapped to the CPU, it would write something to ... ITSELF :P < 1246552837 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You would need to have a builtin Verilog/VHDL compiler < 1246552847 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which compiles the source you feed to it and feeds it to a FPGA < 1246552850 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, just built in SOLDERING IRON FUCK YEAH < 1246552855 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... no. < 1246552864 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to invent new commands < 1246552864 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1246552866 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The physical properties of the CPU are not memory mapped, just all the internal data. < 1246552867 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean self-modding code < 1246552871 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1246552872 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DD < 1246552875 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nah < 1246552877 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even the 6502 can do that < 1246552896 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did it to modify addresses in instructions < 1246552900 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: Not after-fetch. You could be changing the instruction as it executes it. < 1246552904 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1246552920 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that IS cool < 1246552925 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deserves an esolang < 1246552983 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Malbolge/ < 1246553029 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ...no < 1246553030 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To make it an esolang we'd have to find a way for it to be NECESSARY to do that, not just possible. < 1246553038 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Not the same thing < 1246553041 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, OK < 1246553043 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just mmapped program < 1246553045 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you could quite reasonably make the CPU into a CPU emulator. < 1246553045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not mmapped cpu < 1246553069 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By writing a program that changes the instructions during fetching. < 1246553070 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're thinking of something more like changing the microcode being the only form of doing anything? < 1246553090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1246553093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask GregorR-L :P < 1246553246 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: he means memory mapped internal CPU registers < 1246553250 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every scratch space the cpu uses < 1246553270 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's the case on the PIC more or less < 1246553276 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reappears. < 1246553278 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ORLY? < 1246553281 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although there's certain special cases for sanity < 1246553295 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so you can make it dream of imaginary instructions? < 1246553300 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calculate 2+2 wrong? < 1246553306 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: not to quite the extent you want, unfortunately < 1246553312 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*GregorR-L wants. < 1246553446 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There should be a repository of toy language problems to toy around with language des— hey, Rosetta Code. < 1246553743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone implemented the y combinator in applescript < 1246553791 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OW < 1246553792 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DO NOT WANT < 1246553944 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I implemented continuations in INTERCAL < 1246553948 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not that far-fetched < 1246554059 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy third day of australian mailman reminder week! < 1246554075 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1246554092 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1246554098 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Erm. < 1246554100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm. < 1246554103 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure it works that way < 1246554112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure there's just one australian mailman reminder day. < 1246554115 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then mailman reminder day. < 1246554165 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric: where implementing continuations in INTERCAL is commonplace but celebrating australian mailman reminder day for an entire week is weird < 1246554199 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :#esoteric: where implementing continuations in INTERCAL is commonplace but celebrating australian mailman reminder day for an entire week is weird | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D | The topic must contain the phrase "esoteric programming languages" AT ALL TIMES < 1246554235 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :#esoteric: where implementing continuations in INTERCAL is commonplace but celebrating australian mailman reminder day for an entire week is weird | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D | The topic must contain the phrase "illegal discombobulation ribcage" AT ALL TIMES < 1246554294 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :where implementing continuations in INTERCAL is commonplace but celebrating australian mailman reminder day for an entire week is weird | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D | The topic must contain the phrase "illegal discombobulation ribcage" AT ALL TIMES < 1246554307 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, stupid /topic in Xchat :P < 1246554321 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all you did was removed the channel name from the start < 1246554324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :tharr past the river droves, where implementing continuations in INTERCAL is commonplace but celebrating australian mailman reminder day for an entire week is weird | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D | The topic must contain the phrase "illegal discombobulation ribcage" AT ALL TIMES < 1246554334 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I didn't intend to, Xchat did it :P < 1246554343 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: why? < 1246554349 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what were you trying to change? < 1246554371 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Nothing. I just wanted my name on it :P < 1246554392 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Topic bling < 1246554410 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Egg zactly! < 1246554419 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :GregorR_ < 1246554424 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D-8 < 1246554430 0 :GregorR_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sec < 1246554433 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1246554451 0 :GregorR_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Gr < 1246554455 0 :Gr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit < 1246554457 0 :Gr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/nick GrеgorR :-P < 1246554465 0 :Gr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupid anti-Crylliciicjicsjsicm. < 1246554477 0 :Gr!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :GregorR-l_ < 1246554479 0 :GregorR-l_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :GregorR-I < 1246554483 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :write < 1246554496 0 :write!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ < 1246554501 0 :GregorR-I!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :GregorR-I_ < 1246554517 0 :GregorR-I_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEY GUYS < 1246554519 0 :GregorR-I_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'M GREGORR ON A LAPTOP < 1246554533 0 :write!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zohmaigawd tahtso confinsink < 1246554543 0 :GregorR-I_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :write: /nick ehlrd < 1246554557 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if I don't want to write that? < 1246554563 0 :GregorR-I_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1246554564 0 :write!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1246554569 0 :write!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :read < 1246554606 0 :read!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ehlrd < 1246554689 0 :GregorR-I_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehlrd: SO'S YOUR FACE. < 1246554733 0 :ehlrd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hurf hurf hurf < 1246554748 0 :GregorR-I_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehlrd: Innuendo. < 1246554793 0 :GregorR-I_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :memorymappedbuff < 1246554800 0 :memorymappedbuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er. < 1246554803 0 :memorymappedbuff!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :memory mapped buffer. < 1246554806 0 :ehlrd!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ais524 < 1246554810 0 :memorymappedbuff!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :read < 1246554814 0 :ais524!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION - 1 < 1246554823 0 :read!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reads ais524... < 1246554833 0 :read!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see many your faces in the future. < 1246554839 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :write < 1246554850 0 :write!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION writes "ais523" to ais524... < 1246554872 0 :read!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ehlrd < 1246554887 0 :ehlrd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :durf durf durf < 1246554898 0 :ais524!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :GregorR-I_ < 1246554902 0 :GregorR-I_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :laaaaaaaaaaawl < 1246554915 0 :GregorR-I_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl @ ur MOM < 1246554920 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1246554926 0 :ehlrd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh... hurrrrrrrr? < 1246554961 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hurr hurr < 1246554973 0 :GregorR-I_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :‽ < 1246554992 0 :ehlrd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that was stupid :P < 1246554994 0 :ehlrd!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :GregorR-L < 1246555011 0 :GregorR-I_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tru dat < 1246555014 0 :GregorR-I_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ehird < 1246555036 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa < 1246555165 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Deewiant: YEAH WELL, YOU'RE FINLANDICERIC. YOU GO INTO UNNATURAL SAUNAS MADE OUT OF UNNATURAL SOYLENT GREAN PEOPLE. <-- people are soylent green, now? < 1246555215 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's imitation soylent green. < 1246555222 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soylent grean. < 1246555225 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1246555269 0 :write!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :asiekreika < 1246555272 0 :asiekreika!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :asiekierka < 1246555367 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : in the last couple of minutes < 1246555379 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i think i noticed that a couple of days ago < 1246555398 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe yesterday; anyway there was a spam i couldn't blank < 1246555437 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guessed it was something stupidly triggering the spam filter when reverting the spam, or so < 1246555453 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since it was a new article i couldn't just edit an older version < 1246555464 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it affects delete and block too < 1246555469 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't checked if it was a problem anywhere else < 1246555471 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1246555481 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why I haven't dealt with the latest piece of spam < 1246555489 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've tried to, but found it's physically impossible < 1246555495 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1246555513 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh? < 1246555519 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, on the wiki X-P < 1246555548 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, it said you did delete a spam < 1246555598 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lessee it _doesn't_ affect editing another article (CAT) < 1246555636 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it only prevents editing that particular spam i guess < 1246555654 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(assuming it's the same "Precondition failed" i see) < 1246555720 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : grr, the nomic ftp repository appears to be down or cronically slow <-- isn't it always slow? < 1246555753 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes :P < 1246555756 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :....... < 1246555762 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: our cover's blown ALREADY. < 1246555769 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU SUCK < 1246555774 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1246555778 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MWAHAHA < 1246555779 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ehird < 1246555783 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That felt good mind you. < 1246555788 0 :GregorR-L!n=gregor@pal-179-218.itap.purdue.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1246555794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANYWAY < 1246555795 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait a minute < 1246555811 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read that as "frc ftp repository" < 1246555816 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1246555827 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: We blew our cover over a misunderstanding to boot! < 1246555829 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm awesome < 1246555834 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We?! < 1246555835 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No we! < 1246555836 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU < 1246555859 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(since that is the only nomic ftp repository i'm acquainted with) < 1246555866 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone actually worked out what's happened yet? < 1246555875 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i had already noticed you were up to something, thus my aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa < 1246555877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe we could discreetly switch back and everyone would think this was just a joke. < 1246555884 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahahah < 1246555885 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perfect < 1246555890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okie. < 1246555892 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ehlrd < 1246555895 0 :ehlrd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Step aside. < 1246555896 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :GregorR-I_ < 1246555902 0 :ehlrd!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :GregorR-L < 1246555912 0 :GregorR-I_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ehird < 1246555920 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Discreet. < 1246555921 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOW. < 1246555941 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh you're right, going to the main page fails < 1246555955 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1246555957 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :GregorL-R < 1246555965 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it only fails when doing it from that spam < 1246555982 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's something with that page that blocks doing anything from it < 1246555988 0 :GregorL-R!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :comex < 1246556030 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that _might_ mean... < 1246556093 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1246556110 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i managed to edit it by entering the URL, but saving the edit failed < 1246556112 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some Engrish from my new mouse's instruction manual: < 1246556119 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: same here < 1246556127 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"When the receiver successful change the Ids, the indicator will flash several fast." < 1246556149 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How long is a fast? < 1246556152 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not long I bet < 1246556159 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1246556166 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not much funny engrish though < 1246556172 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait < 1246556174 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(authentical now) < 1246556189 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1,place the mouse one the stand and make sure the charging indicator is lightON," < 1246556193 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and pasting the submit URL doesn't work, naturally :( < 1246556197 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone writing the instructions was DRUNK < 1246556232 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you know how to fake a submit without a referrer? that might work... < 1246556241 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I was wondering about that < 1246556241 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: translate.google.com doesn't drink. < 1246556244 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could try Curl < 1246556250 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure it's not google translate < 1246556258 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one must me typical chinese engrish < 1246556260 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1246556261 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a pity you can't just use the API, but that's a newer MediaWiki version than the one esolang has < 1246556268 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :emphasis on _you_, there >:/ < 1246556269 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the double-spaces and no-spaces and stuff are authentical < 1246556319 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Authentical," on the other hand, is not authentical. < 1246556394 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's really what it says < 1246556398 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can take a photo of it for you < 1246556475 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what the heck CSS is no longer working for me on esolang < 1246556496 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: my guess is that the stylesheet's blocked for the same reason as the edit-the-spam is blocked < 1246556506 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh now it worked < 1246556538 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CSS is like spam. For your webpage. < 1246556563 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph that didn't work either < 1246556573 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm running make for like the 15th time today < 1246556576 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid gcc elf toolchain < 1246556588 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM. < 1246556601 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAPS MAPS MAPS. < 1246556638 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell cycle "SPAM " < 1246556795 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: EgoBot doesn't print anything when programs go beyond the time limit without printing a newline < 1246556802 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LAME. < 1246556813 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1246556824 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: If it flushed, it would work. < 1246556841 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell main = do putStr "SPAM "; hFlush stdout; main < 1246556854 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1246556863 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell import System.IO; main = do putStr "SPAM "; hFlush stdout; main < 1246556886 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very slow at responding... < 1246556890 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIES AND GREGORIOUS DECEIT < 1246556905 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION agrees < 1246556906 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1246556939 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, never mind. CANCEL PREVIOUS STATEMENT. < 1246556965 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently bash's 'read' always waits for a newline. < 1246557117 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm does the -n option mean it doesn't look for a newline at all? < 1246557216 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure? < 1246557236 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a question < 1246557254 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like it. < 1246557320 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1246558171 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1246558397 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1246558874 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : A: To enrichen his life and discover new possibilities. < 1246558876 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1246558921 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has now idea why he cannot stop laughing at that < 1246558925 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*no < 1246558987 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : So about how I'm totally going to Italy tomorrow wooooooooooooooooh. < 1246559009 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well nor can your mom. or something. < 1246559033 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: if my stereotypes of italians are anything to go by, you might want to _seriously_ tone down your mom jokes when there < 1246559049 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yeah, well, so might YOUR MOM. < 1246559062 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no she cannot, she's dead < 1246559095 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard to tone down your jokes more at that point < 1246559101 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well so's your face. < 1246559137 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That being said, in real life I'm nothing like I am online. < 1246559164 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean you're really an annoying brat? < 1246559179 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I'm not ehird. < 1246559198 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean you don't play piano and don't know how to program? < 1246559204 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Exactly. < 1246559210 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he doesn't really wear hats, either < 1246559222 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And he's a she. < 1246559223 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My top skill is sleeping. But I RULE at that. < 1246559225 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just photoshopped < 1246559348 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ehird: I don't think I've ever conciously avoided you either <-- i think you need to go to hexham to do that properly < 1246559607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I'm everywhere. True fact. < 1246559776 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :portable... bunnies < 1246559796 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1246559826 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As opposed to wired ones? < 1246559877 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I was wondering if conciously avoiding Hexham was sufficient < 1246559935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. You have to go through various complicated antireligious antirituals of avoidance to properly experience avoiding me. < 1246559967 0 :augur!n=augur@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1246560085 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ideally you should visit his mom some time he is out of town < 1246560112 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should recharge our channel's joke batteries for years to come < 1246561316 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1246561353 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you guessed that "ehird" was actually GregorR, and I am actually ehird... < 1246561355 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ehird < 1246561357 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then... < 1246561359 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU WIN! < 1246561365 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now how many people guessed that? < 1246561458 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1246561472 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1246561496 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't notice you renicking after i blew your cover the first time < 1246561509 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1246561734 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok discussing EgoBot's internals like that was quite clever. i think you must have discussed tactics by privmsg < 1246561748 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<_< >_> < 1246561773 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if the first comment was factually incorrect < 1246561782 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Actually, he thought it was correct :P < 1246561791 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, we're now both experts at confusing nick-change cycles. < 1246562157 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should be useful for your future (?) international crime syndicate < 1246562523 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1246563140 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-1-49.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1246563814 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1246566574 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1246566953 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c2391BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1246567834 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.ms-windows.misc/tree/browse_frm/thread/2e504f3435ab24d4/7baf6b6cad9cbab5?rnum=531&q=intel+consortium&_done=%2Fgroup%2Fcomp.os.ms-windows.misc%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fthread%2F2e504f3435ab24d4%2F96cbe4eb2c34c5c9%3Flnk%3Dgst%26q%3Dintel%2Bx86%2Bconsortium%26rnum%3D1%26#doc_761ebda0a17cb4d8 < 1246567837 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Always a classic. < 1246567842 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scott Nudds is a fucking moron. < 1246567851 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder what he does these days < 1246567926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : As I said earlier, once you get past 50-100 megabytes of RAM, virtual < 1246567927 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :memory makes more sense. I expect 200 megabytes will be the limit for < 1246567928 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most users. People who like to fake photographs will probably want < 1246567930 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :several times this amount. The rest will be virtual. < 1246567932 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fake photographs. < 1246568039 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just wait until we start faking holograms < 1246568085 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's this about virtual memory making more sense once you get past 50-100 megabytes of RAM? < 1246568108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Scott Nudds; it's old. < 1246568109 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Classic piece. < 1246568117 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funny, virtual memory makes sense by the time you get past the *1 process* mark. :P < 1246568117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Biggest Idiot of 1997. < 1246568125 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: He doesn't mean it that way < 1246568128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: He means memory that isn't in RAM < 1246568135 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :disk-based < 1246568144 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, he means memory that's swapped out. < 1246568153 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or in Windows terms, paged out. < 1246568162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/8xno7/you_think_that_computers_will_ever_have_gigabytes/c0arbsv ← I expect 400 gigabytes will be the limit for most users. People who like to fake access to supercomputers will probably want 100 more than this amount. < 1246568198 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, 10 years ago I couldn't even imagine what you'd do with a gigabyte of hard disk space < 1246568199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well 'pparently nudds is a troll < 1246568202 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's funny anyway < 1246568205 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gigabytes of RAM? Actually quite likely. ;) < 1246568213 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: 10 years ago? < 1246568217 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... '99. < 1246568218 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: huh? 1999? in like 2002 I had 10gb of hd space < 1246568223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a shitty shitty machine < 1246568234 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you were like a decade behind I can't see a gigabyte being impressive < 1246568238 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a 10G drive from the mid-90s. < 1246568239 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sending memory off to alpha centauri for storage makes more sense by the time you get past the 50 exabyte mark < 1246568242 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`calc 20lb in stone < 1246568243 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 pounds = 1.42857143 stone < 1246568245 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still works, in fact. < 1246568247 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been about a decade behind pretty much forever < 1246568256 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`calc 1 stone in lbs < 1246568257 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 stone = 14 pounds < 1246568261 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my assumption was that if something ran on an old computer, it would run on anything < 1246568263 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14??? Weird. < 1246568264 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ... You had a C64 in 95? < 1246568265 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I used it for programming on < 1246568275 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no, a BBC Micro < 1246568288 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and actually, that would have been in about 1997 < 1246568299 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I've got a *20G* drive from 2000. < 1246568304 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still works and everything. < 1246568310 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :old disks have a certain charm < 1246568319 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :big, loud, heavy things with just one platter < 1246568325 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crunchin' away your ten gigabytes < 1246568337 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my first computer didn't even have a hard disk < 1246568343 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UPHILL IN THE SNOW < 1246568344 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BOTH WAYS < 1246568345 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it used a floppy drive, not a tape drive < 1246568368 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my first computer ran windows 3.11. it was 1998. < 1246568369 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I was using 5 1/4" floppy disks back then < 1246568374 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a bit behind hur hur < 1246568386 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit later, we moved onto a computer which was massively old < 1246568390 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the time < 1246568394 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it ran Windows 3.1 original < 1246568394 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My first computer ran 95. This was back in 98. < 1246568401 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and only had a few MB of hard disk space left < 1246568409 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or possibly a few hundreds of KB, I can't quite remember < 1246568411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i loved having the extra 1 < 1246568415 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we stored everything on floppy disks < 1246568415 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine was SPECIAL! < 1246568421 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: meh, 95 was a decent os < 1246568421 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Built from scratch because I was interested in computers. < 1246568424 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.11 was useless < 1246568438 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :computers cost a fuckload in '98 at least for what my parents could afford < 1246568439 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and so grandmother taught me how to put one together) < 1246568439 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually rather liked 3.1 < 1246568442 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it was quite the chugger < 1246568446 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: needs moar taskbar < 1246568455 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so it had trouble multitasking, but its singletasking worked pretty well < 1246568463 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better than most of the subsequent versions, anyway < 1246568465 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so did DOS' < 1246568468 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :control-alt-delete actually did something < 1246568473 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and was very reliable < 1246568486 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My second box was some freeby that came with 95 installed on it. Became my first Linux box. < 1246568499 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've still got the CD burner from it. < 1246568499 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still have a Windows 95 computer < 1246568503 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I haven't turned it on for ages < 1246568505 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a whole 12x!) < 1246568527 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is too cheap to get a better burner < 1246568710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOW < 1246568712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WILL DISPROVE < 1246568714 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE EXISTANCE < 1246568715 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OF MARMOTS < 1246568839 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@e-163.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1246568912 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1246568934 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell putStr.take 500.cycle$"marmots " < 1246568936 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots marmots < 1246568948 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: go get λbot back < 1246568949 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MUSHROOMS MUSHROOMS < 1246568956 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did lambdabot disappear? < 1246568961 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it crashed iirc < 1246568962 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan < 1246568964 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't get it here in the first place < 1246568968 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did < 1246568971 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1246568973 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No, you just killed it. < 1246568979 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stabbitystabbitystabstab. < 1246568988 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i didn't, i don't think i was even logged on < 1246568995 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: OK, jig's up... back to our normal nicks, kay? < 1246568999 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :GregorR-L < 1246569005 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pfffffffffffffffffffft < 1246569006 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's old now :P < 1246569016 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, no, I'm in too many channels to go nick-switchin' just for this one :P < 1246569020 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit. < 1246569022 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ehird < 1246569031 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In spite of how amusing and probably convincing that would have been. < 1246569040 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: nice try but this time i _was_ paying attention < 1246569047 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wouldn't have worked due to whois data < 1246569052 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but it DID < 1246569055 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Nobody whoised us before :P < 1246569057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: we fooled everyone for like 20 minuets < 1246569059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :minutes < 1246569072 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even after slipping up < 1246569082 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: oh i did whois you just not the second time, because i didn't notice you changing nicks again < 1246569094 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, you make me want to work on ickirc again < 1246569099 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CTCP SWAPNICK needs implementing < 1246569112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: see '09:06:59 --- nick: ehird -> GregorR_' onwards in http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/09.07.02 < 1246569121 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't last too long in logtime < 1246569930 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1246570436 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh: http://slashdot.org/pollBooth.pl?qid=1809&aid=-1 < 1246570578 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1246572123 0 :augur_!n=augur@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1246572123 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1246573045 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1246573066 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1246574107 0 :Associat0r!n=Associat@h163153.upc-h.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1246574470 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the wrong-return-type bug is rather serious, possibly a release < 1246574470 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blocker for 3.0.1. I'll see if I can produce a patch. < 1246574472 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The incorrect rounding (returning 30.0 instead of 20.0) is less serious, < 1246574473 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still needs fixing. < 1246574476 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :—Python bug report < 1246574486 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because returning an int instead of a float is more important than the results being correct. < 1246575215 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the fact that floating point calculation may be incorrect is widely known, while unexpected return type change is not. < 1246575324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice set of priorities. < 1246575332 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1246576589 0 :inurinternet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :No route to host < 1246576713 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server" < 1246576796 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1246577147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I had better get a Less Wrong account. < 1246577170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And less than 60 seconds later, I'm done and logged in. < 1246577269 0 :inurinternet!n=nuri@cpe-72-132-164-88.dc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1246577364 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION turns off hiding of all comments and articles because he inevitably reads them anyway and tries to dislike hive minds. < 1246578152 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1246578443 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1246580781 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1246580831 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1246583769 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :aaaaaaaaaaaaaa < 1246583773 0 :aaaaaaaaaaaaaa!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa < 1246583794 0 :aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :comex < 1246583931 0 :zid!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1246583935 0 :zid!n=zid@zid-1-pt.tunnel.tserv5.lon1.ipv6.he.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1246585778 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1246586058 0 :Zuu!i=zuu@0x55529f1b.adsl.cybercity.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1246586498 0 :upyr[emacs]!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1246586775 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1246588779 0 :Zuu!i=zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1246591734 0 :Gracenotes_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1246591759 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1246594121 0 :immibis!n=IceChat7@125-238-252-206.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1246594750 0 :amca!n=amca@CPE-121-208-82-97.qld.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1246595387 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1246596346 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1246596454 0 :augur!n=augur@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1246599108 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1246600844 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1246601815 0 :Figs!n=Figs@cpe-72-130-130-76.san.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1246607999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1246608000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1246609844 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@77.40.165.3 JOIN :#esoteric < 1246609864 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1246609979 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-4-198.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1246610438 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1246612754 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1246613085 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1246613352 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1246613508 0 :Associat0r!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"#proglangdesign #ltu ##concurrency" < 1246615285 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"There's nothing dirtier then a giant ball of oil" < 1246616781 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Ex-Chat" < 1246620141 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1246620986 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1246622780 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1246624894 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"just a moment; testing" < 1246624949 0 :fungot!n=fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1246625282 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1246625776 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server" < 1246627860 0 :upyr[emacs]!n=user@79.174.35.21 JOIN :#esoteric < 1246628659 0 :BeholdMyGlory_!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1246628682 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1246628688 0 :BeholdMyGlory_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :BeholdMyGlory < 1246632099 0 :ehirdiphone!n=ehirdiph@79-68-197-221.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1246632109 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi. < 1246632182 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1246632190 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now to test iPhone OS 3.0s copy and paste by linking to this semi-lame comic about Brainfuck that I found on reddit: http://dustland.thedailynathan.com/11 < 1246632200 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, it worked. < 1246632214 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*3.0's < 1246632338 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welp, bye. < 1246632343 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1246633227 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1246634841 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@77.100.194.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1246634937 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-15-134.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1246636039 0 :asiekierka!i=asiekier@078088180066.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1246636381 0 :amca!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Farewell" < 1246636523 0 :jix!n=jix@81-223-217-34.work.xdsl-line.inode.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1246638319 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1246638878 0 :Hiato!n=Hiato@dsl-245-10-200.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1246639009 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1246639148 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1246639168 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`define discombobulation < 1246639169 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* confusion: a feeling of embarrassment that leaves you confused \ [12]wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn \ * discombobulate - bewilder: cause to be confused emotionally < 1246639203 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i take it that is successful, then < 1246639577 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1246639706 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today I wrote a bit of Perl so that fungot can use language models generated by our state-of-the-art VariKN n-gram toolkit; it does a fancy variable-length n-gram model growing thing with Kneser-Ney smoothing. < 1246639706 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop! that sword alone can't stop, crono! < 1246639732 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The results... maybe leave something to be desired. Although I've only tried it with a one very short piece of data. < 1246640426 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"our state-of-the-art"? is this from your department's research? < 1246640529 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1246640529 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct* darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube < 1246640533 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style ct < 1246640534 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: ct (Chrono Trigger game script) < 1246640545 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, a published bit of it though. http://varikn.forge.pascal-network.org/ < 1246640580 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally I have found some actually useful purpose for it. < 1246640706 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help quote < 1246640706 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I have no help for quote! < 1246640709 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!quote < 1246640714 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1246640715 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14| So what you're saying is that I shouldn't lick my iPhone but instead I should rub it on my eyes first and then lick my eyeballs? < 1246640823 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote Finally I have found some actually useful purpose for it. < 1246640823 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: are you a man, if there weren't evil in this kingdom to you! you shall find bekkler! executing program. please let me go... put me out! he's really a tricycle! pass him! < 1246640824 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1246640832 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit < 1246640838 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls bin < 1246640839 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :addquote \ calc \ creatures \ define \ esolang \ etymology \ fortune \ google \ imdb \ minifind \ paste \ quote \ runfor \ strfile \ unstr \ url \ wolfram < 1246640844 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Finally I have found some actually useful purpose for it. < 1246640845 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is the gate key okay!! get' em! 200g per night. care, and stay...healthy! my husband...he's...he's...gone... but he left me precious gifts! the seeds...and our child, it's ancient history now... < 1246640845 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23| Finally I have found some actually useful purpose for it. < 1246640911 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"he's really a tricycle!" A bit random. < 1246640914 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"he's really a tricycle!"? < 1246640931 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats fizzie -----### < 1246641045 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently there's a bit of a problem in that it always uses the longest-length n-gram the tree has, which makes it a bit too likely to quote verbatim. The model gives a back-off probability I could use for randomly selecting a bit shorter context, leading to more variable output, but since the babble-generation needs to be written in Befunge I haven't had time to do it well. < 1246641104 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact that seems to be a direct quotation from the bit: "hey, check it out! he's really a tricycle! pass him!" < 1246643334 0 :Figs!n=Figs@cpe-72-130-130-76.san.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1246643911 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1246644240 0 :jix!n=jix@81-223-217-34.work.xdsl-line.inode.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1246644296 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1246644352 0 :jix!n=jix@81-223-217-34.work.xdsl-line.inode.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1246646557 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip70-162-184-81.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1246646772 0 :ehirdiphone!n=ehirdiph@91.105.123.65 JOIN :#esoteric < 1246646785 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am also reaa < 1246646804 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am also really a tricycle, rather. < 1246646806 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that related to virtuaa? < 1246646860 0 :Associat0r!n=Associat@h163153.upc-h.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1246646911 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am fucking off now. WTF is this smiley graphic it keeps trying to complete: O.O ? I'll check the logs to see. Buh-bye for now. Especially you, Associat0r (yep, nick completion works). < 1246646919 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1246647035 0 :Associat0r!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1246647062 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird has gone insane, clearly. < 1246647076 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we already knew that. he is a regular after all. < 1246647234 0 :tombom!i=tombom@82.31.32.241 JOIN :#esoteric < 1246647394 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote ehird has gone insane, clearly. < 1246647395 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :24| ehird has gone insane, clearly. < 1246647410 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1246647415 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1246647416 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10| what, you mean that wasn't your real name? Gosh, I guess it is. I never realized that. < 1246647431 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote `quote < 1246647432 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :25|`quote < 1246647446 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 25 < 1246647446 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1246647449 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`remquote 25 < 1246647450 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1246647458 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are no such things < 1246647460 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA HA < 1246647462 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh < 1246647463 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :._. < 1246647471 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 24 < 1246647472 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :24| ehird has gone insane, clearly. < 1246647475 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 25 < 1246647476 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :25|`quote < 1246647479 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Meh ._. < 1246647481 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :26| Meh ._. < 1246647497 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote oerjan: are you a man, if there weren't evil in this kingdom to you! you shall find bekkler! executing program. please let me go... put me out! he's really a tricycle! pass him! < 1246647497 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: but, we are far outnumbered! and to think that i'm his father!! the king does not wish! we shall hold this position to the last man! big fire where lavos fall from sky! we no can call you " knight cyrus fell while protecting our kingdom from magus. i'd stay away! < 1246647498 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :27| oerjan: are you a man, if there weren't evil in this kingdom to you! you shall find bekkler! executing program. please let me go... put me out! he's really a tricycle! pass him! < 1246647520 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style c64 < 1246647521 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: c64 (C64 programming material) < 1246647529 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: $D001 < 1246647530 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: windows 95 ms-dos edit is the ordinary text that is needed when two sprites hit each other, sprite graphics < 1246647541 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Wait, windows 95 and c64? < 1246647542 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: up before they can be read again. that means that program running is also abailable by setting this bit to 0 < 1246647549 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ABAILABLE! < 1246647556 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the new official misspell for available < 1246647564 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style youtube < 1246647565 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: youtube (Some YouTube comments) < 1246647569 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: planes < 1246647570 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: ok man, i've told you the attention i think < 1246647570 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means available in spanish < 1246647577 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: not planes < 1246647580 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1246647584 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1246647590 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :tester001asie < 1246647594 0 :tester001asie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: do something < 1246647594 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tester001asie: type in computer controlled < 1246647595 0 :tester001asie!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :asiekierka < 1246647604 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Why are you such an idiot with YOUTUBE COMMENTS? < 1246647605 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: this plane was a test flight operated by remote control", it's a sobe commercial, but sing opera?! i want to give 4000 to each chinese citizen to pay for it < 1246647632 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, Figs < 1246647634 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Urr, fungot* < 1246647635 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: omg look it up. very sad accident. but noone will care cos you so surpriced?? < 1246647659 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You don't have EMOTION! You're just a GOT! < 1246647659 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: not you and decide for yourself. we're all intittled to an old rob schneider skit called " orgasm guy. you can search air france < 1246647676 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did I accidentally f for fungot? I just realised I'd tab my own name before fungot < 1246647677 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: featuring:hillary clinton. the accident and find out for you. at least 50 journalists on board, so f ' em for nothing < 1246647680 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/name/nick/ < 1246647707 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think i should update that fungot database < 1246647708 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: who said you had a trailer, the pilot went to jail for months, to illegal futures trades, six crew. < 1246647727 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this IS going to take a while < 1246647744 0 :jix!n=jix@81-223-217-34.work.xdsl-line.inode.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1246647772 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm looking for the youtube comment list AND sed scripts < 1246647780 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which made them formatted (nearly) < 1246647831 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats FireFly for doing such a stupid thing. -----### < 1246647847 0 :Figs!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1246650255 0 :GuestShadowSkunk!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-140-63.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1246650626 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1246650991 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1246654892 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1246655080 0 :tombom__!i=tombom@82.31.38.170 JOIN :#esoteric < 1246655589 0 :augur!n=augur@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1246656127 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1246656128 0 :tombom__!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :tombom < 1246657224 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server" < 1246657693 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1246657889 0 :ehird!n=ehird@208.78.103.223 JOIN :#esoteric < 1246657915 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:48:31 I am fucking off now. WTF is this smiley graphic it keeps trying to complete: O.O ? I'll check the logs to see. Buh-bye for now. Especially you, Associat0r (yep, nick completion works). < 1246657916 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:48:39 --- quit: ehirdiphone (Client Quit) < 1246657917 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:50:35 what? < 1246657931 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was testing out (a) my new iPhone IRC client, (b) the iPhone OS upgrade I did. < 1246657938 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It now has copy and paste, so I tried that. < 1246657943 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I am fucking off now." = "Bye." < 1246657952 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then when I typed "o", it tried to complete it to a smiley graphic. < 1246657960 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I tried that and checked the logs and saw it was O.O. < 1246657971 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I tested nick completion with a long nick that just entered. < 1246657972 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The end. < 1246658016 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1246658016 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8| GKennethR: he should be told that you should always ask someone before killing them. < 1246658052 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1246658053 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1| I've always wanted to kill someone. >.> < 1246658056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1246658056 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :24| ehird has gone insane, clearly. < 1246658064 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Insanity and murder. < 1246658070 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ghc < 1246658072 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two great tastes that taste great together. < 1246658076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: !haskell < 1246658079 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ghc < 1246658085 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, no \bot < 1246658116 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Yeah, it died. I'll ask gwern to return it. < 1246658141 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence why I suggested somebody run their own instead of relying on the suicidal one < 1246658147 0 :FunctorSal!n=ohno@p4FD8A179.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1246658150 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ask them to put #esoteric in the proper initialization list... < 1246658162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Meh :P < 1246658173 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: The suicidal one is the "official" one and anyway compiling lambdabot is a pain. < 1246658183 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FunctorSal: I espy your #haskell origins. < 1246658203 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it's "official" but that doesn't really matter < 1246658205 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latter is a point < 1246658215 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that's not a given. it could be a real category theorist. < 1246658222 0 :FunctorSal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is this about strange languages or crystals and stuff? ;) < 1246658230 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: But I just said #esoteric in #haskell and e's in there. < 1246658233 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FunctorSal: the former < 1246658240 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FunctorSal: The former, although the latter if you believe some kooks that enter here occasionally. < 1246658261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Cue Sussman: "We conjure the spirits of the computer with our spells!") < 1246658271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you've seen http://esolangs.org/wiki/, that's us. < 1246658292 0 :FunctorSal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ehird is right; I also like CT, but wouldn't call myself a real category theorist yet ;) < 1246658307 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1246658612 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((*)(*))(~:^*a~^Sa*~:^):^ < 1246658613 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************ ...too much output! < 1246658618 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1246658626 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((*)(*))(~:^*a~^( )*Sa*~:^):^ < 1246658626 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* * ** *** ***** ******** ************* ********************* ********************************** ******************************************************* ***************************************************************************************** ********************************************************************************* ...too much output! < 1246658648 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fibonacci sequence? Spiffy. < 1246658660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like the fibonawesome. < 1246658681 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like wtf < 1246658709 0 :phearle!n=phearle@24.63.120.211 JOIN :#esoteric < 1246658723 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FunctorSal: Welcome to Esoteric. < 1246658730 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. < 1246658733 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a lowercase e. < 1246658736 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION passes crystals over the Brainfuck compiler < 1246658747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :phearle: sheesh, you're one of the #haskell people too? < 1246658748 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Lies and deceit, good ſir. < 1246658753 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too many! Too many! < 1246658757 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ChanServ agrees with me. < 1246658792 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I'm a #haskell parson now. < 1246658792 0 :phearle!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not particularly :) < 1246658794 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i recall there is someone (CESSMASTER?) who usually joins #ESOTERIC < 1246658798 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Alan Parsons? < 1246658804 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1246658805 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :phearle: oh? < 1246658817 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :phearle: so where you from in particular then. that brought you here. < 1246658826 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: HARDCORE ESOTERICISM < 1246658850 0 :phearle!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw this room mentioned in the channel, if that is what you are referring to. < 1246658856 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, right. < 1246658862 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: what an unfortunate fetish to have! < 1246658874 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As long as you're here for the weird languages and not the "magick", this is the right place. < 1246658884 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird is always right. it's right there in his nick, if you reverse it and correct it a tiny bit. < 1246658888 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, assuming you like channels that are offtopic 98.7% of the time. < 1246658920 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: drihe → ridhe → righe → right. < 1246658922 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like your logic. < 1246658950 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my logic is always right too. < 1246658958 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my assumptions, not so much. < 1246658996 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i have a wonderful set theory < 1246659002 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZF+AoC+Bible < 1246659009 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZF set theory, plus the axiom of choice, plus all of the bible. < 1246659043 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you could tone it down to just predicate logic + bible < 1246659056 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you only need one inconsistency after all < 1246659076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But everyone knows ZF+AoC are true. < 1246659083 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone knows the Bible is true, too; it says so. < 1246659120 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gödel might have a bit of quibble with that. < 1246659128 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if he weren't dead. < 1246659154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gödel is being tortured in an eternal lake of fire for his sins. < 1246659157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :P.S. Jesus loves you! < 1246659173 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: and he _still_ considers it an improvement. < 1246659179 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly. < 1246659183 0 :FunctorSal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm? wasn't Gödel pretty religious? < 1246659187 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FunctorSal: Shut up. < 1246659188 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1246659190 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has no idea < 1246659200 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was paranoid, anyway < 1246659208 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only in his later life. < 1246659210 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I loved the whole "my food might be poisoned so I won't eat anything" schtick. < 1246659213 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Way to fail at probability! < 1246659214 0 :FunctorSal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I don't know how religious he was in everyday life, but I think he made a god-proof < 1246659223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if you ARE being conspired against it's a net loss... < 1246659240 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that one. < 1246659272 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Gödel was a convinced theist and a lifelong Christian. He rejected the notion that God was impersonal, as Einstein believed. He believed firmly in an afterlife, stating: .I am convinced of the afterlife, independent of theology. If the world is rationally constructed, there must be an afterlife."' < 1246659303 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how they just assert how it's obviously rationally so. < 1246659316 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the ontological argument, too; I wished myself a perfect fortune that way. < 1246659361 0 :FunctorSal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would that be? < 1246659365 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fact: Quantum immortality fucking sucks as the probability of you going into a terrible coma only to wake up one second every billion years increases rapidly vs your chance of dying. < 1246659375 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FunctorSal: two of 'em < 1246659375 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. God is something of which nothing greater can be thought. < 1246659376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. God may exist in the understanding. < 1246659378 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3. It is greater to exist in reality and in the understanding than just in understanding. < 1246659380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4. Therefore, God exists in reality < 1246659382 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1246659384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. God is the entity of which nothing greater can be thought. < 1246659386 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. It is greater to be necessary than not. < 1246659388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3. God must therefore be necessary. < 1246659390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4. Hence, God exists necessarily. < 1246659401 0 :FunctorSal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was referring to 'perfect fortune' :) < 1246659404 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1246659406 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It went like this: < 1246659423 0 :FunctorSal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how did you paste that so rapidly anyway? got it on a hotkey? :D < 1246659452 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ... How very null. < 1246659461 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. The Perfect Fortune is an entity that is the $1,000,000,000 of which nothing great can be thought (in the subset of $1,000,000,000s). 2. The Perfect Fortune may exist in the understanding. 3. It is greater to exist in reality and in the understanding than just in understanding. 4. Therefore, The Perfect Fortune exists in reality < 1246659463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'M RICH!!!!!! < 1246659466 0 :Hiato!n=Hiato@dsl-245-10-200.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1246659475 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm forgot to specify it was mine < 1246659476 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1246659478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever, trivial change < 1246659490 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FunctorSal: copy and paste from wikipedia skillz < 1246659512 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had the article Gödel's ontological proof open anyway < 1246659514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it links to it < 1246659529 0 :FunctorSal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strategically, I wouldn't argue with pure existance proofs for god. Ask them why it should be a god that imposes rather than some other god < 1246659533 0 :FunctorSal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*existence < 1246659569 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't argue with theists about their religion because arguing against baked-in delusions justified by "faith" is incredibly difficult. :p < 1246659661 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funny, I could've sworn that most religions were, by their very nature, untestable. < 1246659675 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what was that a response to? < 1246659684 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plenty of delusions are inherently unprovable and untestable. < 1246659691 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poorly phrased response to that conversation. < 1246659699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, believing something of the sort is true is a category of delusion. < 1246659726 0 :FunctorSal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think throwing around insults like that convinces anyone < 1246659735 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FunctorSal: I am not intending to insult everyone. < 1246659736 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er. < 1246659737 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone. < 1246659769 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I call certain beliefs delusions because they meet all criteria and I don't make an exception to how I say things for religion just because the standard cultures do. < 1246659778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And calling a belief delusional is not a knock on the believer in any way. < 1246659824 0 :FunctorSal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's not maladaptive in the way paranoid psychosis is < 1246659850 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Paranoid psychosis is not the only other delusion... < 1246659859 0 :FunctorSal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's even an advantage because you are more motivated < 1246659865 0 :FunctorSal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as a religious person) < 1246659900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FunctorSal: say someone had a deep conviction that every quark is actually made up of undetectable gnomes, and that by making these gnomes happy, we can improve our life. they also refuse to debate this matter with you, saying it angers the gnomes. < 1246659905 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely you would recognize this as delusional? < 1246659918 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Religion is just the same, except it seems less wacky because we're used to it. < 1246659999 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf ++++++++[->++++>++++++++>>>++++<<<<<]>>>+>+>[-<[->>+<<]<[-<.>>+<]<<.>>>>>[-<<+<+>>>]<] < 1246659999 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ @ @@ @@@ @@@@@ @@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ < 1246660019 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Not bad. < 1246660028 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd imagine you could get that a bit more efficient, though. < 1246660052 0 :FunctorSal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: sure, but I mean not all religious people are in generally-delusional state of mind < 1246660062 0 :zid!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fibonacci? < 1246660070 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can believe a delusion but still be otherwise sane < 1246660071 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1246660074 0 :FunctorSal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(understanding 'delusional' to be more a state of mind than something about specific beliefs) < 1246660110 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's both. < 1246660245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/001283.html ← I love how Jeff Atwood is egotistical enough to think that his pet site absolutely needs 48GB of RAM to run. < 1246660381 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf ++++++++[->++>>>++++++++>++++<<<<<]>>+>+<<[->[-<<+>>]>[->.<<+>]>>.<<<<<[->>+>+<<<]>] < 1246660381 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ @ @@ @@@ @@@@@ @@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ < 1246660397 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no u < 1246660440 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm reversing the cells didn't make much difference < 1246660717 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually... < 1246660980 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, lovely comment, no? http://www.reddit.com/r/java/comments/8xz6s/cobol_to_java_automatic_migration_with_gpled_tools/ < 1246661010 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*gives commenter une monad* < 1246661061 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anything not COBOL is good. language gave me a headache trying to read ;_; < 1246662041 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving..." < 1246662261 0 :augur!n=augur@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1246662332 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi augur. < 1246662339 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Peace and Protection 4.22.2" < 1246662355 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey ehird < 1246662536 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1246662608 0 :augur!n=augur@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1246662686 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_o < 1246662774 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: 48G of RAM? < 1246662783 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Is he storing the site in RAMdisk? < 1246663358 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prolly < 1246663676 0 :GuestShadowSkunk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder, is there a general word for the things a programming language can do? < 1246663687 0 :GuestShadowSkunk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of a mix of instruction-function-what have yous < 1246663703 0 :GuestShadowSkunk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although for some I guess it's hard to speak of any of this < 1246663710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GuestShadowSkunk: Operation? < 1246663715 0 :GuestShadowSkunk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like the game of life or related things. < 1246663717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only works for imperatives, I guess < 1246663717 0 :GuestShadowSkunk!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Slereah < 1246663727 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With functional languages you never do. < 1246663729 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just reduce. < 1246663744 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, functional languages you can speak of functions < 1246663759 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just wondered if there's a general word for that < 1246663947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functions < 1246663993 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think a good description is like < 1246664008 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is sort of tautological but < 1246664080 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :functional programming is about deriving related data, imperative is about changing data, and declarative is about discovering related data < 1246664106 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess you could say that the things that languages can do is change, derive, or discover < 1246664130 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i dont think theres a single word to describe this, because i think they're really fundamentally different things < 1246664131 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :functional is a subset of declarative < 1246664136 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1246664138 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a sense < 1246664141 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1246664142 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strictly < 1246664152 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your analogy doesn't account for that < 1246664158 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its also a subset of procedural :P < 1246664218 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my point is that in terms of how you think about coding < 1246664239 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :functional is more about deriving new data, rather than discovering related data < 1246664264 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :declarative is all about discovering what exists, not deriving what you know must exist < 1246664295 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brbrbrbrb < 1246664622 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: "Computing quantums". < 1246664764 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: functional != subset of procedural < 1246664797 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: you're thinking of logical languages when you say declarative < 1246664801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :declarative is just what-not-how < 1246665039 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq : how do you do for languages that are just strings of symbols on a set of rules? < 1246665044 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Number of rules? < 1246665106 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: I guess. < 1246665127 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What of Thu? < 1246665192 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can it be quantised? < 1246665203 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea. < 1246665221 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could say it only has one thing, without the io, but Iunno < 1246665259 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Ha, I thought you meant literal quantum particles < 1246665267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was intentionally over-generic < 1246665332 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ofcourse functional is a subset of procedural < 1246665335 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: No, no. Quantising computing like that would be a bit different. And interesting. ;) < 1246665339 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :functional is procedures that dont mutate state < 1246665344 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: You misunderstand what procedural style i < 1246665345 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1246665347 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :procedural languages needn't have first-class functions < 1246665351 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, STYLE < 1246665358 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is different, yes true < 1246665365 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1246665368 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant paradigm < 1246665368 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C, for example, is quite a procedural language. < 1246665370 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but even then, functional isnt really a subset of declarative < 1246665376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :procedural is generally just used to mean imperative < 1246665378 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because functional still defines how < 1246665379 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: it is, though < 1246665388 0 :FunctorSal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not having first class function is bat shit insane < 1246665388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it strictly is a subset, most all classifications agree < 1246665393 0 :FunctorSal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+s < 1246665401 0 :FunctorSal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*troll* ;) < 1246665405 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then its an odd definition of declarative < 1246665407 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, i agree < 1246665410 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since functional definitions are not how at all < 1246665413 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FunctorSal: There's a number of languages that are bat-shit insane. < 1246665416 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: when you say 'declarative', you're meaning 'logical' < 1246665420 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :logical languages infer data from rules < 1246665421 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose a language like Lisp is, in theory, a subset of Prolog in terms of the sorts of things you can do with it < 1246665425 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need never backtrack, after all < 1246665430 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose, ehird. < 1246665430 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FWIW, C++ is soon going to cease to be bat-shit insane by that notion. < 1246665431 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Lisp is powerful for other reasons < 1246665437 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no it's not < 1246665443 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it's going to not fulfill one criterium < 1246665451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that criterium never claimed exclusivity < 1246665454 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by Declarative\Logic < 1246665463 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but atm, C++ is a pretty good definition of insane < 1246665466 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Fair enough. < 1246665474 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: declarative languages are not the same as logical ones < 1246665478 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, even Perl has its own sort of internal logic < 1246665478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :logical is-subset-of declarative < 1246665480 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1246665482 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :functional is-subset-of declarative < 1246665484 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imperative is not < 1246665485 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know < 1246665487 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird < 1246665492 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where does behavioural go? < 1246665492 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean by Declarative\Logic < 1246665500 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1246665503 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Declarative\Logic"? < 1246665507 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yeah; "shell scripts on crack" is at least a design decision. < 1246665516 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. Declarative Set-Minus Logic < 1246665517 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1246665522 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :declarative is pretty much "all languages where you don't describe what to do in order" < 1246665535 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but by that definition, VHDL is declarative < 1246665541 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: functional, some part of behavioural (not the reactionary code which may be imperative) < 1246665545 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok, so you mean languages without time ordering < 1246665545 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, it might be, that's a good classification < 1246665546 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :array < 1246665556 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see. well in that case ok. < 1246665556 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: well, that's a definition that almost fits < 1246665564 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VHDL is time-ordered, but you have to do it manually < 1246665567 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not do a; do b; do c < 1246665578 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Functional can be considered a declarative language because there is no requirement that the function definition have anything to do with how its results are computed. < 1246665580 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's whenever a changes, b changes 10 seconds later < 1246665589 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Erm. Subset of declarative. < 1246665594 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ehird: for what X does Functional + Logic + X = Declarative? < 1246665610 0 :FunctorSal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1246665620 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: declarative behavioural languages, maybe array languages if you don't count them as functional < 1246665623 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps some other fringe stuff < 1246665628 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and things like VHDL < 1246665631 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :call that the crackhead category < 1246665639 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :behavioral = ?? < 1246665647 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: You failed to mention some DSLs. < 1246665652 0 :FunctorSal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functional + Logic + Mushrooms = ? < 1246665655 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SQL, for example. < 1246665656 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: they fall into a subset < 1246665659 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION finally finishes the Rubicon bubble-sort that coppro started < 1246665661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sql is array sorta < 1246665668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: behavioural is "when a, b" < 1246665674 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? < 1246665676 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the b part is imperative — it often is — not declarative < 1246665679 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :event driven, you mean? < 1246665681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's not, declarative < 1246665686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: yes, pretty much < 1246665688 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /reactive? < 1246665689 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. < 1246665690 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vhdl fits under that, too < 1246665692 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FunctorSalvatore < 1246665711 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Salad actually. < 1246665711 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: That's pretty interesting. < 1246665723 0 :FunctorSal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I'm losing letters :-( < 1246665732 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FunctorSal: use the /nick, luke < 1246665746 0 :FunctorSal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if it backfires? < 1246665759 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good nick, er night" < 1246665767 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll die < 1246665811 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1246666820 0 :Associat0r!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"#proglangdesign #ltu ##concurrency" < 1246666877 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1246667145 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: microsoft somehow just made one of their products majorly worse < 1246667150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of just chipping at their good parts < 1246667153 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one? < 1246667180 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: outlook 2010 will use microsoft word for composing and rendering html emails < 1246667185 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus giving this "upgrade": http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3322/3637814200_a2aa59bc89_o.jpg < 1246667199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and inflicting a new generation of charts, graphs and other horribilities right in the toolbar < 1246667206 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that people use them more and everyone else suffers more. < 1246667216 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, what if Word isn't installed? < 1246667230 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: outlook is part of office < 1246667301 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if they introduced word as the editor < 1246667305 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they could at least use IE's rendering engine < 1246667323 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :outlook is hated by everyone on the Internet who doesn't use it, anyway < 1246667330 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you seen how bad Outlook-composed emails are? < 1246667338 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1246667339 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, Word's HTML is worse < 1246667361 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fact: when OpenOffice.org and Word convert the same Word document to HTML, OOo's output renders better in IE < 1246667419 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sees the orangered envelope on less wrong, jumps for a second < 1246667427 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's new. Then again, it's only been a day. < 1246667488 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Word* for composing emails? < 1246667504 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND RENDERING? < 1246667522 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1246667553 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is retarded. < 1246667557 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, put a macro virus in one < 1246667562 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, truly, positively, absolutely retarded. < 1246667666 0 :phearle!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1246668119 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, it could be worse; they could be using Outlook as Word's rendering engine < 1246669007 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: grok law would have a field day with this one: < 1246669012 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Having said that, I find the Plug-In problem particularly interesting. Gnu.org says: “If the program dynamically links plug-ins, and they make function calls to each other and share data structures, we believe they form a single program, which must be treated as an extension of both the main program and the plug-ins. This means the plug-ins must be released under the GPL or a GPL-compatible free software license, and that the terms of the GPL must be < 1246669015 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : followed when those plug-ins are distributed.” < 1246669017 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, what happens if, say, a commercial application has a plug-in architecture like the one described above, and that commercial app is cloned by a GPL-covered project. The GPL project would try to replicate the commercial app’s Plug-In API in order to allow the plug-ins for the commercial app to run inside the GPL’d app. Would that mean that the mere existence of this clone app would make closed-source plug-ins for the commercial app illegal?]] < 1246669022 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope it's true, that'd be brilliant < 1246669209 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't, that's the libreadline argument < 1246669227 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which nobody but RMS believes, because in the same situation the existence of the closed-source program would make open-source plugins for the open-source app illegal < 1246669233 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: rms says his lawyers think the libreadline argument is true < 1246669247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the discordian in me hopes they're right < 1246669247 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yes, but is he really going to hire lawyers who don't? < 1246669263 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd start an outlawing spree < 1246669272 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: very true < 1246669303 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bear in mind that BSD's lawyers disagree with the libreadline argument < 1246669430 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1246669589 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's at least complete bullshit with a commercial app for which a GPL-covered project has the same plugin API. < 1246669605 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See: NSplugin < 1246669660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh thought that was a cocoa class for a second < 1246670060 0 :FunctorSalad_!n=ohno@p4FD8A151.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1246670636 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FunctorSalad_: you should change your name to Sal "Functor" Lastname < 1246670930 0 :FunctorSalad_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1246670964 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FunctorSalad_: because you're FunctorSal < 1246670977 0 :FunctorSal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1246670981 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you're not. < 1246671066 0 :FunctorSalad_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means "Functor salt" :) < 1246671089 0 :FunctorSalad_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually, I just needed another alternative nick because of my frequent connection losses) < 1246671789 0 :Associat0r!n=Associat@h163153.upc-h.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1246672294 0 :FunctorSalad_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"medium cat is, in fact, MEDIUM." < 1246673320 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: "In fact, all data items are treated as infinite lists of length 1. Other infinite lists may be longer." < 1246673352 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Where's that a quote from? < 1246673361 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Haskell, which is otherwise a really shit article. < 1246673403 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1246673472 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "Haskell" game box there is decent. Otherwise. < 1246675962 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's *meant* to be a really shit article < 1246676023 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: No, we mean it's not funny. < 1246676042 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Shit" in the context of Uncyclopedia means incoherent rambling instead of humor. < 1246676450 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1246678899 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"PERL is based on the write-only programming paradigm. Since it cannot be read, the costs associated with peer reviews, coding standards, and other so-called industry best-practices are completely eliminated. This is the primary reason that Amazon.com can charge so little for its goods and services." < 1246678937 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : An error occured while that page was being displayed. Someone is looking into this problem. Thanks for your patience. < 1246678953 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I decided to click the button to install an IE addon, while in Firefox for Linux, with NoScript turned on < 1246678957 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that was the result I got < 1246678977 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice :) < 1246678998 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not like you gave it much to work with :P < 1246679012 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also like the "that page" in the error message < 1246679054 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for Perl, it isn't that bad < 1246679057 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can be, but it usually isn't < 1246679067 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the projects I'm working on atm is pretty maintainable Perl < 1246679235 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1246679560 0 :upyr[emacs]!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1246680964 0 :augur!n=augur@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1246681514 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maintainable Perl? < 1246681527 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should submit it to the International Unobfuscated Perl Code Contest. < 1246681591 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :international unobfuscated perl code contest < 1246681591 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1246683245 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1246684625 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION beeps. < 1246686642 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1246688521 0 :chuck!n=charlie@yourwiki/staff/charlie JOIN :#esoteric < 1246689599 0 :Pegazus!n=awefawe@host122.190-31-41.telecom.net.ar JOIN :#esoteric < 1246689603 0 :Pegazus!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1246691882 0 :asiekierka!i=asiekier@078088180066.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1246691888 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1246693240 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1246694399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1246694400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1246695993 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1246696178 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1246697842 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1246701069 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :tharr past the river droves, where implementing continuations in INTERCAL is commonplace but celebrating australian mailman reminder day for an entire week is weird | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D | The topic must contain the Konami Code AT ALL TIMES | UUDDLRLRBASTART < 1246702282 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1246704459 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1246704766 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@75-106-100-121.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1246706687 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1246709742 0 :JoelyWoely!n=CESSMAST@unaffiliated/joelywoely JOIN :#esoteric < 1246709749 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1246714396 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :tharr past the river droves, where implementing continuations in INTERCAL is commonplace but celebrating australian mailman reminder day for an entire week is weird | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=N;O=D | The topic must contain the Konami Code AT ALL TIMES | ↑↑↓↓←→←→BA[start] < 1246714467 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone find a start button in Unicode < 1246714623 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried < 1246714682 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Searching for neither "start" nor "begin" gave anything useful < 1246715112 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders why there'd be a requirement for the topic to contain the Konami Code < 1246716111 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It evidently went from your 'the phrase "esoteric programming languages"' to 'the phrase "illegal discombobulation ribcage"' and now to 'the Konami Code' < 1246716319 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/8y4sl/odd_cats_eye_technologies_haskell_projects/ < 1246718635 0 :upyr[emacs]!n=user@79.174.35.21 JOIN :#esoteric < 1246719986 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@77.100.194.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1246720086 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Success < 1246723627 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. Getnoo supports Windows. < 1246723912 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should still, using the U+20e3 combining enclosing keycap, say A⃣ and B⃣. < 1246723945 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Not supported here. < 1246723952 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not invented here. < 1246723995 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there's also the circled Ⓐ and Ⓑ but those don't look very buttony. < 1246724004 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: those are used in manuals < 1246724020 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and on many controllers, those buttons are circular < 1246724036 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I in a Super Nintendo? < 1246725291 0 :ehirdiphone!n=ehirdiph@91.105.123.65 JOIN :#esoteric < 1246725309 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I broke an eye and called it toroidal. < 1246725364 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, "International Unobfuscated Perl Contest" made me laugh. < 1246725498 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently part of my weird economy-of-expression tendencies have remained even though I'm not having any trouble typing fast and accurately on the iPhone now for some strange reason. < 1246725559 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Active place, huh. Welp, bye. < 1246725562 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1246725973 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was fast < 1246726203 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1246728917 0 :darthnuri!n=nuri@cpe-72-132-164-88.dc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1246729164 0 :bsmntbombdood_!i=41bdb804@gateway/web/freenode/x-7469805cc188832e JOIN :#esoteric < 1246729499 0 :inurinternet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1246729665 0 :ehirdiphone!n=ehirdiph@91.105.123.65 JOIN :#esoteric < 1246729688 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: What was fast? < 1246729702 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you joining and leaving because the channel was dead < 1246729757 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@75-106-100-121.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1246729763 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well, the iPhone doesn't multitask. < 1246729782 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not gonna sit here staring at the screen like a doofus :) < 1246729794 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I ever make a game on a retro console < 1246729798 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will have 1 requirement: < 1246729807 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pressing the Konami Code enters you ino an esolang interpreter < 1246729817 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's nice asiekierka. < 1246729844 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ $// < 1246729996 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be nice if you could hold down the home button and tap "Background", then open a Switcher app and get a list of backgrounded windows w/ screenshots. Doing multitasking is hard from a mobile UI perspective. < 1246730099 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Get Colloquy for iPhone! http://mobile.colloquy.info/" < 1246730117 0 :ehirdiphone!n=ehirdiph@91.105.123.65 JOIN :#esoteric < 1246730141 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :…it wouldn't stop mistakes like that, though. < 1246730210 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe apps could specify whether they suspend by default, and on tapping home it animates the window going in to the switcher icon and increases a count of apps blob on it. < 1246730240 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then holding down home in a suspending app would give you a Quit button. < 1246730331 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1246730346 0 :ehirdiphone!n=ehirdiph@91.105.123.65 JOIN :#esoteric < 1246730348 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goddamn. < 1246730361 0 :JoelyWoely!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :CESSMASTER < 1246730461 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that enough waiting for you? :P < 1246730480 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1246730492 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buh-bye. < 1246730493 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1246731312 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1246731908 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@75-106-100-121.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1246733699 0 :asiekiekra!i=asiekier@078088180066.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1246733730 0 :asiekiekra!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1246733927 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1246734459 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Maybe apps could specify whether they suspend by default, and on tapping home it animates the window going in to the switcher icon and increases a count of apps blob on it. < 1246734486 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the iphone doesn't have true multitasking, won't irc disconnect due to lack of PING answering anyhow? < 1246734809 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1246736103 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Page closed" < 1246738130 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1246739834 0 :tombom!i=tombom@86.25.62.75 JOIN :#esoteric < 1246741442 0 :unikat!n=two@ANancy-256-1-60-110.w90-26.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1246741490 0 :unikat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dumb +++++++++[>-] < 1246741503 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for unikat_dumb: 0.0 < 1246741607 0 :unikat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+(>-)*9(>[-].-)*21 < 1246741681 0 :unikat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dumc +>-->->->-->->[[-]-] < 1246741691 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for unikat_dumc: 0.0 < 1246741743 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that one never moves far enough to reach the opponent flag < 1246741879 0 :unikat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes you're right. i'm still adopting to brainfuck and may be doing some stupid stuff; hope it's okay to clutter the logs with my all-zero scored entries. < 1246741895 0 :unikat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dumd +>-->->->-->->[>[-]-] < 1246741904 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for unikat_dumd: 0.0 < 1246741943 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and that loop is unlikely to run, because it's probably 0 at the beginning < 1246742019 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fine to test, it's not like there's a conversation going on anyway < 1246742062 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was much more noisy here when bfjoust was added to EgoBot in the first place :) < 1246742113 0 :unikat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dum_e >-(>[-[-[++++]]>]<-)*35 < 1246742121 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for unikat_dum_e: 0.0 < 1246742148 0 :unikat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, I think i am going to re-read the rules... < 1246742214 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i understand the competition may be rather fierce these days < 1246742231 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it may be hard to get points even with a working program < 1246742307 0 :unikat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dum_e ++++++(>)*10([-]>)*20 < 1246742313 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for unikat_dum_e: 3.8 < 1246742320 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1246742320 0 :unikat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1246742570 0 :unikat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dum_e (>)*10([-]>)*20 < 1246742576 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for unikat_dum_e: 4.0 < 1246742698 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linking to the high scores might be in order, but I forget the URL < 1246742705 0 :unikat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust dum_e (>)*10 ( []> )*20 < 1246742714 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for unikat_dum_e: 3.5 < 1246742722 0 :unikat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i have the list open in a browser window, it's at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/in_egobot/ < 1246742782 0 :unikat!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far. good night to all < 1246742783 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's it. < 1246742785 0 :unikat!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1246745016 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1246745084 0 :rodgort!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1246745094 0 :rodgort!n=rodgort@ludios.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1246748096 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Peace and Protection 4.22.2" < 1246748940 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:07 oerjan: Maybe apps could specify whether they suspend by default, and on tapping home it animates the window going in to the switcher icon and increases a count of apps blob on it. < 1246748940 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:08 oerjan: if the iphone doesn't have true multitasking, won't irc disconnect due to lack of PING answering anyhow? < 1246748943 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking about implementing it in the OS. The iPhone just uses stripped-down OS X and has processes; it's just that apps are quit when you defocus them. < 1246748969 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1246749440 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because Apple is lame. < 1246749918 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Please come back when you've implemented a simple-enough-to-not-need-thinking, elegant way of implementing multitasking on a mobile touchscreen with extremely low processing power and memory. < 1246749925 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and this on a UNIX based system. < 1246749927 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have fun < 1246749961 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :400 MHz is extremely low processing power now? < 1246749981 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: For a full UNIX/OS X system, absolutely. < 1246749994 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: They DID bring out the expensive iPhone 3G S just to bunk it up to 600Mhz... < 1246750010 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Faster than any UNIX system until about the mid-90s is extremely low? < 1246750021 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Modern OS X system, dude. < 1246750025 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Late 90s < 1246750040 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was on 400 MHz until 2001 or something < 1246750042 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, fact is that (a) UI and (b) processes suckin' up mah extremely limited kilobytes of RAM are gonna kill it. < 1246750050 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KILOBYTES. < 1246750059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: 400mhz until 2001? That's...not common < 1246750068 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: *Any* system. I think Sun started shipping systems of that speed in like 95... < 1246750080 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can we get back to the main point < 1246750087 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a modern OS X system < 1246750090 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yeah, ok, I was thinking consumer x86. < 1246750093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something with beefy requirements. < 1246750103 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, megahertz myth, man. < 1246750120 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went from a 400 MHz Pentium-something to a 1200 MHz Duron; wikipedia says they came out in August 2001 < 1246750123 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the myth, it hertz < 1246750128 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The original has 128MB RAM, the GS has 256MB RAM... < 1246750131 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't think it was new at the time < 1246750136 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it was probably 2002 or something < 1246750152 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Mixed up kilo/mega < 1246750160 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :megabytes is basically kilobytes compared to desktop ram sizes. < 1246750166 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :400MHz / 128MB ran Windows XP just fine < 1246750177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Anyway, even if you've got the processing power you still haven't invented an intuitive UI. < 1246750218 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Small dock at the bottom for running tasks. BAM. < 1246750237 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Takes up screen estate, unfortunately, but that's rather intuitive, at least. < 1246750246 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One vague line that gives no details whatsoever. Gee, I'm gonna skip the user tests and go straight to production. < 1246750251 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey Jobs! < 1246750259 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OS X dock. < 1246750278 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg, another vague, non-clarifying line. Steve, this is revolutionary. < 1246750292 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Saying "exactly what OS X has" is vague? < 1246750327 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: so when you hit an application icon — ANY one, even ones that don't need suspending — it'll appear in the dock at tiny size and pop up a window? < 1246750333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then take up screen real estate ALL THE TIME? < 1246750343 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And every process will be multitasked taking up valuable resources? < 1246750347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your idea is shit. < 1246750371 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: 256MB and 600MHz isn't exactly 'scarce resources'. < 1246750401 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not many people have 3G Ss, and dude, we're not running microöptimized software on a bare-bones OS. < 1246750415 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The typical iPhone usecase, also, involves a lot of switching around applications that DON'T NEED SUSPENDING. < 1246750421 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the exception, not the rule, by far. < 1246750466 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird hasn't the foggiest clue what a system with those specs can do. < 1246750473 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1246750475 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am well aware. < 1246750508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you're being a total idiot with your simply false assumptions of how the iPhone's OS works, how applications are written for it, its performance characteristics and the typical usecase. < 1246750520 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm pretty much gonna ignore your "Apple are stupid I'm so much better at inventing my one-line multitasking system" thing. < 1246750549 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Multitasking is trivial, ehird. < 1246750644 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hell, another way to do it: send programs a message indicating that they're being switched out. The program can choose to close. Have a screen in the program menu for running apps. < 1246751320 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1246751826 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FWIW, I too would dislike the "thou shalt only have one third-party program running at a time" rule, and would rather take some sort of not-perfect multitasking over not-there-at-all simplicity. But I guess it's not the Apply way to do things. < 1246751865 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the company that took three OS releases to make sure copy and pasting was absolutely flawless. < 1246751874 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah; ugly-but-works is very much not the Apple way. < 1246751905 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I can think of exactly those two scenarios everyone seems to mention; a GPS track-where-you-were application and the IRC client. So I guess they'd be reasonable common. < 1246751935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two. Out of thousands of apps. < 1246751940 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, very common... < 1246751951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: btw, most irc clients have a built-in safari window so you don't lose IRC when clicking links < 1246751961 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which pretty much covers most "omg i focused away" things < 1246751970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd love multitasking but it's not a simple problem < 1246751973 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't sound very elegant either, to me. Of course no-one asks me. < 1246751978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not < 1246752056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think my apps-can-specify-whether-to-multitask-or-not is best; if you home-button on a multitasking one, you see it warp into the "Open Applications" icon (not just away into the void), and its little red knob increases count. If you want to quit a multitasking app instead of suspending it, if you hold down home you'll get three buttons: Force Quit (what holding down does now), Quit, and Cancel. < 1246752074 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just that my five years old Symbian-7.0s-or-something "smart"phone can do the thing. As for UI, it doesn't even try to do anything more than a single application on-screen at a time. It's just that you can use the "switch" button to select which one you want. Oh, and there's some sort of notification system thing where a backgrounded app can put a speech-bubble-like thing on there. < 1246752086 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: That would be a decent solution. < 1246752094 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That way, only things like IRC clients run in the background; it's easy to see when you background an app vs quitting it; there's visual notification you have backgrounded apps open; and you can choose not to background an app. < 1246752238 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I wouldn't mind that. Though I still would be annoyed if I had to quit any sort of complicated-task application just because I wanted to jot down a note. Or was there already some things you still could do without quitting an application? (Though I guess it doesn't matter, I don't see myself iPhonizing anyway.) < 1246752272 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, if you held down the home button, the "Quit" would turn into "Suspend" for non-multitasking apps. < 1246752275 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you could do that. < 1246752301 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm sure they've thought about it and I'm sure my trivial idea has been brought up. < 1246752307 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not terribly intuitive for users, I'd think. < 1246752468 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1246752951 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, I think I'll sleep. Have to wake up in 5 hours to be at a church; there's this confirmation thing of the wife's parents' godchild, and for some reason they told me to attend to. Even though oddly enough I seem to start to feel mildly (physically) unwell in any sort of religionistic loci. Strange, that. < 1246752970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "religionistic loci" is a brilliant phrase. < 1246753015 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought "church" would be too common a word, and anyway had already used it once. < 1246753024 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's some sort of incompatibility. Anyway, nights. < 1246753064 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Wait! < 1246753071 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Go there dressed up as Charles Darwin. Including the beard. < 1246753074 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do it. Do it now. < 1246753077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...do it then, rather. < 1246753236 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: \o/ \o/ \o/ < 1246753237 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :        |   |   | < 1246753237 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :       /<   |\  |\ < 1246753243 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Augur. < 1246753256 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, i just wanted to get some myndzinian \o/ing < 1246753256 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                            | < 1246753257 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                           /\ < 1246753264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: "Augur" was a command. < 1246753289 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_o_ /o/ \o\ _o/ \o_ /o_ _o\ \o/ /o\ < 1246753289 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |    | < 1246753290 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /<   >\ /<  /<   |\ /`\ /<  /`\  /| < 1246753292 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi's script amuses my client; sure, it does mIRC naming, BUT YOU DID NOT ACCOUNT FOR THE FACT THAT I USE A PROPORTIONAL FONT! < 1246753299 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: oh. < 1246753301 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're gonna die. < 1246753307 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? < 1246753310 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow! < 1246753324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Here I was, thinking I was going to like, NOT die. < 1246753334 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i didnt say i was a very INSIGHTFUL augur < 1246753339 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1246753342 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Proportional fonts are t3h lame. < 1246753368 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you're writing real documents. < 1246753369 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Don't say such things or someone will sodomize you with typography. < 1246753372 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case they're wonderufl. < 1246753383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonderufl. < 1246753438 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonderofl < 1246753447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like a bitch. < 1246753451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like unto a bitch. < 1246753453 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a virgin < 1246753509 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like unto a virgin bitch. < 1246755304 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1246755772 0 :Associat0r!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"#proglangdesign #ltu ##concurrency" < 1246758592 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1246758593 0 :Sgeo_!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1246758625 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1246767711 0 :zzo38!n=zzo38@h24-207-48-53.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1246767731 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Freenode doesn't support + type channels! < 1246767751 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is of course lame. < 1246768241 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1246768620 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1246769193 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@75-106-100-121.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1246769480 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1246771302 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats a + type channel? < 1246771486 0 :Associat0r!n=Associat@h163153.upc-h.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1246771527 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1246771798 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god that was such a horrible movie < 1246771832 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was? < 1246771847 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Transformers < 1246771961 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1246772373 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :give me the cube, boy! < 1246772375 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cube! < 1246772387 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE CUBE < 1246772391 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...mr anderson < 1246772566 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CESSMASTER: wat < 1246772585 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hugo weaving voiced megatron < 1246772590 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh is that about the fight at the end? < 1246772600 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i skipped that part. < 1246772897 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then why did you bother sitting through any of the movie at all? < 1246773091 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanted to see what it was like < 1246773096 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i can say from experience that it was shit < 1246773677 0 :Associat0r!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: they ruined TF < 1246780799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1246780800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1246781971 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1246782202 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1246786146 0 :Associ8or!n=Associat@h163153.upc-h.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1246787131 0 :Associat0r!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1246788351 0 :immibis!n=IceChat7@125-238-252-206.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1246788467 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1246788960 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: Go there dressed up as Charles Darwin. Including the beard. <-- um most european churches are not creationist afaik, so it would just look silly, not majorly offensive. < 1246788995 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'd think he'd gone nuts, and they would be right. < 1246789036 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(heck, most _american_ churches are probably not creationist either.) < 1246791696 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1246792284 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1246793320 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1246795736 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1246796237 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1246797548 0 :Associ8or!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"#proglangdesign #ltu ##concurrency" < 1246799314 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1246799491 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1246799496 0 :Gracenotes_!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1246799510 0 :Gracenotes_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Gracenotes < 1246799640 0 :Associat0r!n=Associat@62.194.163.153 JOIN :#esoteric < 1246800436 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1246805520 0 :M0ny!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-3-138.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1246807074 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1246807285 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@77-100-194-169.cable.ubr04.pres.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1246809409 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1246809629 0 :nice!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1246809659 0 :nice!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1246810464 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://membres.lycos.fr/bewulf/Russell/langs.png < 1246810465 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1246810474 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the first time I ever heard of esolangs < 1246811103 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1246811203 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY ARE YOU SO SILLY LOOKING INTERCAL < 1246811430 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that u < 1246811781 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not INTERCAL < 1246815866 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1246815874 0 :ineiros_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ineiros < 1246818946 0 :Pthingg!n=pthing@77-100-194-169.cable.ubr04.pres.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1246819447 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1246819589 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course not. _i_ am INTERCAL. also, napoleon. < 1246819735 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1246819792 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 on the other hand is a turing machine. also, jesus. < 1246819829 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1246819923 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm not a Turing machine, I don't have infinite memory < 1246819935 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you a finite state machine? < 1246819951 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I guess not, you can't have infinite input < 1246819962 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the word for really finite machines < 1246819968 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sure you do, you just need to work on your left/right stepping < 1246820003 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bounded-storage machine < 1246820017 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure there's a difference. < 1246820021 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan : But the earth is wrapping < 1246820025 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finite state = bounded-storage... < 1246820042 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it's only asymptotically bounded in the input. < 1246820043 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan : But finite state can do infinite output or input < 1246820057 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well so can bounded-storage, surely? < 1246820072 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :input and output don't need to be stored, after all < 1246820081 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iunno < 1246820094 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yeah, but in the real world, they exist in some way < 1246820095 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there an actual technical difference... < 1246820138 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: it's not very reassuring that the first google hit on bounded storage machine is the esolangs wiki < 1246820175 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1246820199 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also the "real" concept of linear-bounded automata. < 1246820218 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's technically different, but not in a way that changes the abstract computability class, i think < 1246820239 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c2391BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1246820255 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bounded-storage machine = like tm but has bounded length tape, finite state automaton = has no tape at all < 1246820273 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1246820296 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1246820318 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for tms, the input and output is included in the tape < 1246820326 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it really is different < 1246820349 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afa IO is concerned < 1246820387 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, well, the article discusses both bounded and unbounded input < 1246820427 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the linear-bounded automata has a tape whose length is a linear function of the initial input, to summarize it as briefly. < 1246820519 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah well that's just a special case of space complexity < 1246820550 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1246820596 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since linear is big enough to include the original input, it is. but for smaller complexity classes one uses a more subtle method. < 1246820613 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still an interesting special case because it's the automaton-thing that corresponds to context-sensitive grammars. < 1246820619 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1246820670 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for smaller classes one uses extra tapes. the input and output tapes can be as long as you want, but you can _only_ read and write to them, respectively. < 1246820699 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while the actual working tape has length O(f(n)) where n is the length of the input tape. < 1246820724 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "BSMs with bounded input" esolang subsection's explanation why it's less powerful than a FSM is (in my mind, anyway) more complicated than the alternative trivial thing, which would be "bounded input == finite language == obviously strictly less powerful than a FSM". < 1246820749 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this way you can meaningfully talk about logspace e.g. (a very interesting class i think) < 1246820814 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true that < 1246820907 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Complexity people are not very user-friendly with their abbreviations. I mean, just the list at http://qwiki.stanford.edu/wiki/Complexity_Zoo is... not trivial. < 1246820940 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1246821298 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i expect a lot of them are quite obscure < 1246821399 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some like L, P, NP may have special abbreviations because they are so important. others may have special abbreviations because they are so radical no old notation fits for them :D < 1246821441 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are also the parametrized classes like TIME() NTIME() SPACE() NSPACE() < 1246821470 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are probably as userfriendly as you can get < 1246821576 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and things like PSPACE/EXPTIME/EXPSPACE don't _quite_ fit into them, because they are not the SPACE() and TIME() of single functions... < 1246821594 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose someone could clean it up a lot if they wanted to though. < 1246824153 0 :nice!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1246824185 0 :nice!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1246827573 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1246828595 0 :jix!n=jix@81-223-217-34.work.xdsl-line.inode.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1246828664 0 :Associat0r!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"#proglangdesign #ltu ##concurrency" < 1246828664 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:16 oerjan: fizzie: Go there dressed up as Charles Darwin. Including the beard. <-- um most european churches are not creationist afaik, so it would just look silly, not majorly offensive. < 1246828668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but darwin looks fucking awesome < 1246828670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i rest my case < 1246828672 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:17 oerjan: (heck, most _american_ churches are probably not creationist either.) < 1246828675 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahaha! < 1246828676 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you wish < 1246828691 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most that are sane are. < 1246828717 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1246828721 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the sane ones are invariably in major population centers. < 1246828744 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um how can you be sane and creationist? < 1246828746 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The East Coast, for example, only has sane churches (from my experience) < 1246828757 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: s/Most/All/ < 1246828779 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: are you reading my sentence backwards? < 1246828781 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, when I went to Boston, it was weird... Churches flew gay pride flags. < 1246828792 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:08 fizzie: Complexity people are not very user-friendly with their abbreviations. I mean, just the list at http://qwiki.stanford.edu/wiki/Complexity_Zoo is... not trivial. < 1246828794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like chemistry! < 1246828794 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm being weird. < 1246828814 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: you mean incomprehensible < 1246828824 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That too. < 1246828826 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: you are reading it backwards :) < 1246828836 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're saying all sane churches are creationist wrt what oerjan said < 1246828850 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is the exact opposite of what I mean. < 1246828872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:19 oerjan: um how can you be sane and creationist? ← you know, there's two simple substitutions I could do here, and I'll only do one for sake of not upsetting people < 1246828882 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um how can you sane and in #esoteric? < 1246828892 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do the other one, please. < 1246828915 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, you'll lynch me :D < 1246828923 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dubious. < 1246828938 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'll do that anyway. < 1246828947 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we are insane, remember? < 1246828949 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kay then: um how can you sane and religious? < 1246828949 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm nearly a complete pacifist here, man. ;) < 1246828965 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is sodomized by a nearby pack of bears < 1246828977 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi pedobear! < 1246828997 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't know he had a family < 1246829007 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I'm referencing the bible. < 1246829012 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the pedobear gets angry when people diss religion? That's curious. < 1246829020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :allow me to quote: < 1246829021 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes, the pack of bears. < 1246829031 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head." < 1246829033 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them." < 1246829051 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The morale? "If you call someone a baldhead, bears will fuck you up." < 1246829055 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tare = scared, BTW. < 1246829067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As long as said baldhead curses you." < 1246829070 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely recall i used that quote to chase a jehova's witness away once. haven't seen any since. < 1246829082 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well not the quote but that story) < 1246829104 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, that only works well on people who hold the Bible to be 100% literal truth. < 1246829112 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*seen any near my home since < 1246829121 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: as opposed to the even crazier ones who pick at will :-P < 1246829131 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they keep handing out pamphlets in town, of course < 1246829133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want some jehovah's witnesses to come by here so I can tell them I've been excommunicated < 1246829143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1246829145 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :disfellowshipped < 1246829150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :terminology, ehird. < 1246829151 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :terminology. < 1246829183 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.inquisitr.com/wp-content/happy-plane.jpg Adorable. < 1246829186 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah, this makes me ashamed of my country-place: http://www.livescience.com/php/multimedia/imagedisplay/img_display.php?pic=060810_evo_rank_02.jpg < 1246829226 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yow; you guys have a lot of crazy people then? < 1246829235 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange that norway and sweden are much further up < 1246829245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't the three countries usually quite similar? < 1246829252 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's the strange bit. < 1246829255 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, modulo culture < 1246829310 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Only 40% of people in the US accept evolution? < 1246829319 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dude, pikhq < 1246829322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where have you been? < 1246829328 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The US is a shitfest. < 1246829331 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly they did an "intelligent design" lecture in our university and all. But that was all the work of one crazy person, I think. < 1246829338 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was at least 50%... < 1246829363 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, you all need to GET A BRAIN! MORANS < 1246829364 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GO USA < 1246829382 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is strongly considering moving < 1246829400 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But if you move you won't have to put your packets IN SPACE. < 1246829426 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: JOY! < 1246829443 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want packets in space, I want *civilization* IN SPACE! < 1246829452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to move to TIME. < 1246829456 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And put my TIME in SPACE. < 1246829460 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll be FREAKY. < 1246829499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every time I idly think about what country I'd like to move to, basically my main concern beyond the whole "nice set of freedoms" thing is the internet. < 1246829500 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1246829519 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I can't even get more than 6mbps here, and the best in the UK is 24mbps. < 1246829549 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is pretty much on par with the US. < 1246829568 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really don't know why people like the USA. < 1246829586 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Low IQ. < 1246829601 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not particularly pretty in most of the places, your politics are seriously right-wing, your internet is 3rd-world, an awful lot of stupid people dwell there, it's insanely corporate... < 1246829651 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :About the only thing we've got going for us is that our university system is pretty good – IF YOU CAN AFFORD IT. < 1246829667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's true, I'd love to go to mit. < 1246829688 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Unfortunately there's other obstacles to that, like I don't think I'd do terribly well :P) < 1246829741 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, actually... < 1246829757 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like how they've made their CS course into a practical thing. < 1246829770 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dropping SICP, changing to Python and making you drive a stupid robot was the stupidest thing a university has ever done. < 1246829801 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, US. We've got universities with far more stupidity. < 1246829809 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true. < 1246829829 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most state-funded universities spend most of their funds on their sports teams. < 1246829851 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are two accredited universities that I know of, one teaches creationism and the other is part of a cult :) < 1246829852 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://membres.lycos.fr/bewulf/Russell/langs.png <-- fails to resolve as usual here. < 1246829863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: use opendns. < 1246829876 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's faster to boot. < 1246830053 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Complexity people are not very user-friendly with their abbreviations. I mean, just the list at http://qwiki.stanford.edu/wiki/Complexity_Zoo is... not trivial. <-- you could say they are.... complex < 1246830067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not funny not funny not funny < 1246830355 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Next time you wonder to yourself why a bug exists in Microsoft software, consider the possibility that Microsoft simply want it that way." < 1246830403 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's faster to boot. <-- my dns is so fast I don't notice any slowness compared to opendns < 1246830419 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but iirc opendns did some crazy redirecting thingy for a few sites or something < 1246830429 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Two things. < 1246830445 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDNS#Privacy_issues.2C_conflicts_and_covert_redirection < 1246830447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A program that produces incorrect results twice as fast is infinitely slower." Your DNS does not resolve some sites, and besides OpenDNS is unlikely to be _slower_. < 1246830451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Second. < 1246830453 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can disable that. < 1246830461 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It takes three seconds to disable everything and just give you DNS < 1246830489 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, that article is... not unbiased. < 1246830520 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use OpenNIC instead. < 1246830537 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This redirection breaks some non-web applications which rely on getting an NXDOMAIN for non-existent domains, such as e-mail spam filtering, or VPN access where the private network's nameservers are consulted only when the public ones fail to resolve." <-- I use such programs btw. < 1246830537 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, don't, unless you're part of the lunatic fringe of DNS. < 1246830542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: SO DISABLE IT < 1246830547 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIKE I DID! < 1246830565 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I see. So I need to login to use this dns? That means I need to login every time my ip changes? < 1246830566 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what? < 1246830576 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I have a very dynamic ip that would be a PITA < 1246830587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: If your IP is dynamic, then yes, you need to run a program to update it. There are daemons which take up about zero usage that do it automatically. < 1246830590 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, every time the adsl modem reconnects I get a new ip < 1246830603 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... everyone without an explicit static IP, not "very". < 1246830610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most people leave their ADSL connected, though... < 1246830618 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, too much work for one single site being broken which Slereah mentioned was broken from many other places too (see logs from 2009) < 1246830636 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: there have been many others that you have said don't resolve. < 1246830639 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yeah, but sometimes it disconnects for no obvious reason < 1246830649 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :often when there are thunderstorms for example < 1246830651 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug* < 1246830664 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't want to fix the resolution and don't care about it being faster, then at least don't point it out and complain about an easily fixable problem. < 1246830674 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, a few has been timing out yes. IIRC most of them did resolve < 1246830686 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when was the last one? < 1246830695 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how many during 2009 < 1246830704 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. I don't remember such things because I don't care enough. < 1246830704 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it isn't slow! < 1246830706 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to resolve < 1246830717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it can be faster" does not mean "it is slow". < 1246830718 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, in fact, resolving is very snappy. < 1246830730 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most resolvers are. < 1246830759 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what ip for opendns < 1246830767 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is going to time "host" < 1246830788 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah found it < 1246830789 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't help lazy people attempt to make invalid, vague experiments without even a sufficient sample size or reptition < 1246830796 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :repetition < 1246830801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: without disabling the proxying, it may be slower. < 1246830840 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using resolver1.opendns.com (208.67.222.222) it is around 0.182s-0.197s to resolve irc.freenode.net < 1246830846 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks his isp one < 1246830867 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a) you're using the domain for the resolver, so you're doing two requests < 1246830874 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(b) see what I said about sample size, repetition < 1246830878 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(c) see what I said about proxying < 1246830879 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.136s-0.161s < 1246830890 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I did 20 samples each < 1246830891 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in short, your results are bullshit < 1246830899 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that is not "sample size". < 1246830900 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for proxying, yes sure < 1246830911 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, sure, other domains too. < 1246830926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O RLY? < 1246830927 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Furthermore, (a) and (c). < 1246830948 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I wasn't using domain for resolver < 1246830951 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where did I say I was < 1246830954 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Furthermore, (c). < 1246830959 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "AnMaster: using resolver1.opendns.com (". < 1246830965 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I gave the ip there < 1246830969 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was what I actually used < 1246830974 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Additionally, you're claiming you can perceive 0.02sec < 1246830976 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was using the host name for clarity over irc < 1246830982 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, when? < 1246830983 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Protip: you cannot. < 1246830987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that was you < 1246830988 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1246830992 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: That is the difference between the two speeds. < 1246831057 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, normal resolving is 0.016 here though. dnsmasq on localhost < 1246831071 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but here I explicitly used my isp's one just to show you < 1246831082 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-5-75.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1246831084 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So use dnsmasq with OpenDNS. < 1246831085 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also above I said: it's faster to boot. <-- my dns is so fast I don't notice any slowness compared to opendns < 1246831092 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :means: I can't notice any difference < 1246831095 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" AnMaster: Additionally, you're claiming you can perceive 0.02sec" < 1246831096 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you fail < 1246831112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can't notice any difference then which one you use doesn't matter for speed, so we defer to "it can resolve more sites". < 1246831138 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, software daemon for the dynamic ip thing for opendns? < 1246831170 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :searching for "opendns" in package repo yielded no results < 1246831213 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: make an account, add a network, go to settings, ignore content filtering, click stats and logs, decheck enable, apply, advanced settings, enable dynamic IP update, uncheck typo correction and .cm, uncheck shortcuts, proxy and botnet < 1246831222 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'll check for a linux program < 1246831236 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1246831287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://www.opendns.com/support/dynamic_ip_downloads/ None for Linux, unfortunately, but http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=safari&rls=en-us&q=update+ip+opendns+linux&aq=f&oq=&aqi= might help. From the "Technical Details" tab it just seems to be a POST over https. < 1246831289 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Found it. < 1246831293 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elinks -auto-submit 1 -dump https://username:password@updates.opendns.com/nic/update? < 1246831294 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Oops, you aren't using OpenDNS yet. Go back to Step 1 to set up OpenDNS." <-- wait, you can't create an account before you use their dns server? huh? < 1246831301 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You did it rong. < 1246831307 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should work if you set the IPs. < 1246831331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm? I was going to create an account before I was going to change what resolver I'm using... < 1246831336 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1246831339 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I think you might have to < 1246831360 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: there's one of them < 1246831360 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.opendns.com/support/article/192 < 1246831364 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ddclient < 1246831367 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tada < 1246831377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ddclient is for updating dyndns and such? < 1246831382 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use ddclient already < 1246831384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Click the article. < 1246831389 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can make it work for opendns. < 1246831394 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : hm < 1246831397 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses the dyndns protocol. < 1246831406 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1246831414 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make sure to do the tick things I said; it's the combination you need to disable all the fluff. < 1246831435 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... also it seems I can't create the account in lynx? < 1246831437 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1246831443 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does JS stuff, I think. < 1246831447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just use a proper browser :p < 1246831460 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their site and the guide aren't too nice, but the service is great. < 1246831495 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the site isn't accessible. As in WAI. Not as in resolving. < 1246831507 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as I can see < 1246831515 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, well, many sites aren't. < 1246831517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a sad reality. < 1246831521 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION randomly notes that someone needs to write an ECMAscript compiler < 1246831545 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: thankfully, most actual screenreaders are far more clever than the w3c gives credit for < 1246831561 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yeah, because they have to be < 1246831564 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love mailinator btw < 1246831579 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fuck you opendns!) < 1246831599 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Ha! With gmail I just do penguinofthegods+COMPANY@gmail.com. Then if they can spam me I can tell and shun them forever. < 1246831629 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you could quite easily figure out what part was the real one though... < 1246831638 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh and I checked, it doesn't work on my isp :/ < 1246831642 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No, because + is a valid character in email addresses. < 1246831650 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo+bar+quirky@awesomemail.com is perfectly valid. < 1246831658 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And foo+bar+floopy doesn't need to be the same person. < 1246831664 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly nobody cares and you could detect, but nobody does because nobody cares. < 1246831686 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh, isn't the the "redirect to the same account thing"? but with some sort of alias < 1246831692 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was that something else < 1246831701 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh? < 1246831709 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a gmail feature. < 1246831713 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The + is just a convention there, is I guess what ehird wants to say. < 1246831718 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gmail also ignores dots, so you can do penguinofth.egods@gmail.com < 1246831719 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not exactly a gmail-only thing. < 1246831730 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've only heard it for gmail < 1246831748 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think qmail used to have some sort of easy/built-in support for it too. < 1246831752 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I think I was referring to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-mail_address#Sub-addressing < 1246831771 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, they've written an RFC about it. < 1246831784 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gmail uses - for it? < 1246831786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1246831787 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qmail < 1246831788 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's evil. < 1246831794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because-nobody-hyphenates-words-like-lisp? < 1246831823 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, Err what has djb got to do with lisp? < 1246831828 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or have I missed something < 1246831831 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was +. But I could be wrong. < 1246831839 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this-is-lisp-style-hyphenation. read-your-link-AnMaster-and-read-the-qmail-part. < 1246831846 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand, most installations of the qmail and Courier Mail Server products support the use of a hyphen '-' as a separator within the local-part, such as joeuser-tag@example.com or joeuser-tag-sub-anything-else@example.com < 1246831855 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I checked, none of those work on my isp < 1246831858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can't have an-email-account-with-a-hyphen-in. < 1246831860 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they use qmail btw... < 1246831866 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess they turned it off or something < 1246831875 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: NOT EVEN anmaster(poop)@isp.com???????????????? < 1246831894 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well the comment is cut out on client side iirc? < 1246831906 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes :P < 1246831922 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, right: mu < 1246832111 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1246832179 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this-is-lisp This. Is. SPARTAAAAA. < 1246832247 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Postfix has a "recipient_delimiter" parameter you can set to, for example, "+", but it's not on by default. And a couple of other settings that talk about what happens to those things in address-rewriting. < 1246832450 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But + is what all the documentation examples use. < 1246832870 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1246833068 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, this now fails to resolve some geoip thingys correctly, like google < 1246833075 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so google is slower now < 1246833086 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, that's not right. < 1246833087 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works fine for me. < 1246833098 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's going wrong, you did something wrong. < 1246833122 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ? < 1246833137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :geoip stuff works perfectly for me. < 1246833160 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, maybe they have a resolver in UK but not one in Sweden? < 1246833177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you had a dns cache thing, anyway? < 1246833186 0 :nice!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1246833187 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely you tend to only resolve google once in 500 years? < 1246833201 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, wrong, I use it a lot < 1246833211 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...that doesn't mean you resolve it a lot. < 1246833214 0 :nice!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1246833247 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also I didn't mean that. I meant that I get a google server that is 25 hops away according to traceroute, instead of 10 like before. One in US instead of in Europe. < 1246833257 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that shouldn't happen < 1246833265 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so why does it < 1246833283 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not ask ehird, the master of OpenDNS knowledge? I'll take a look. < 1246833291 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, thanks < 1246833304 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: As a worst-case scenario, you can add google.com to your /etc/hosts. < 1246833311 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Does it still say "Go to Google Sweden" on the page? < 1246833330 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes < 1246833336 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think their servers handle that somehow < 1246833351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't think google would assume country(dns)=country(user). < 1246833356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely the IP they give you picks a server. < 1246833359 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh and it actually says "Go to Google Sverige" < 1246833364 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sverige! < 1246833365 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yarrr < 1246833374 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait... firefox is probably not using the new one *restarts firefox* < 1246833416 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ctrl-F5 or whatever. < 1246833445 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that text is gone now < 1246833451 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after restarting firefox < 1246833456 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ctrl-f5 didn't change it however < 1246833459 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Then our problem is definitely separate; it still tells me I can use the UK site. < 1246833476 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: traceroute opendns < 1246833481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see where there server is < 1246833487 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for you < 1246833508 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waits < 1246833517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15 hops so far and still going < 1246833566 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of "no reply" fffs... < 1246833573 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, that was *tracepath* < 1246833578 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries again with traceroute < 1246833639 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm lots of no-reply too < 1246833724 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, http://pastebin.ca/K72ch2Y7 (pass abcd) < 1246833737 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server" < 1246833742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why on earth did you use a password? < 1246833751 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, because I wanted to see how it worked < 1246833755 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1246833771 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Well, just find out where the server you're using is, 'sall :P < 1246833783 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that trace ends up in UK < 1246833793 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x.X < 1246833794 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the opendns server is somewhere in UK clearly < 1246833802 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1246833804 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: but it doesn't offer to send you to the UK google < 1246833807 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as mine does < 1246833818 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, correct. It didn't offer me anything at all < 1246833833 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except suggesting that I was lucky. I disagree. < 1246833863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's very strange. Thankfully it shouldn't affect much more than Google and you can put that in /etc/hosts. I suggest making a thread on the OpenDNS forums for a long-term solution. < 1246833881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I do use some other geodns thingies < 1246833890 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets see what happens to kernel.org < 1246833940 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, they stopped using geodns? heh < 1246833951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :September 19, 2008: mirrors.kernel.org has been flipped over to using our new GeoDNS based bind server (named-geodns). This means that, at the dns query level, our servers will attempt to direct you to the nearest / fastest kernel.org mirror for your request. This means that you no longer have to use mirrors.us.kernel.org or mirrors.eu.kernel.org to generally route you to the right place. This does mean a change to mirrors.kernel.org no longer explicitly < 1246833953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : pointing at mirrors.us.kernel.org. Additional information on named-geodns will be forth coming, check back here for an addendum soon. < 1246833956 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No? < 1246833961 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh mirrors < 1246833962 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1246833966 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant the main page < 1246833973 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in www.kernel.org vs. eu.kernel.org < 1246833976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1246834040 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, okay, opendns dumps me on the EU ones, but if the resolver is in UK that would be suspected. < 1246834067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It really should only affect things like Google; there aren't going to be all that many sites that both use GeoDNS and are big enough to have a server in multiple places in the EU. < 1246834088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm... < 1246834113 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :microsoft? < 1246834113 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buy some rackspace and set up a Swedish server for them :-P < 1246834122 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Do you really want Microsoft's site to load fast? :) < 1246834131 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not really < 1246834138 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As slow as possible plz < 1246834173 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway microsoft.com resolves to somewhere in US using both my ISP's DNS and opendns < 1246834185 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc they use microsoft.se and such too < 1246834190 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might misremember < 1246834192 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As slow as possible still implies that it can be accesed. < 1246834195 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft, see? < 1246834197 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 8 nyc9-core-2.pos2-0.swip.net (130.244.194.205) 124.187 ms 125.484 ms 125.713 ms < 1246834197 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 9 some.new-york.router.msn.net (130.244.200.202) 127.790 ms 125.200 ms 127.039 ms < 1246834198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1246834204 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some.new-york.router? < 1246834205 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1246834209 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 shows unusual humour for being microsoft < 1246834242 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I'm a bit scared, this shows microsoft can actually manage to not totally fail to be funny < 1246834251 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sorry for double negation... I think) < 1246834257 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nuke it from orbit; it's the only way to be sure. < 1246834264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: To be honest, individual Microsofties are okay, and I imagine slipping that hostname by the bean counters would be easy enough. < 1246834271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be fair, rather. < 1246834277 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1246834300 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsofties <-- why does this sound like some sort of teddy bear... < 1246834337 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe something clean-ex like thingy, with microfibres < 1246834348 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also... lycos still fails to resolve < 1246834349 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"softies" < 1246834351 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Yeah; most of the awfulness of MS comes from their truly awful corporate structure. < 1246834355 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: What, really? < 1246834355 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1246834357 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flush DNS cache? < 1246834379 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Among other things, nobody has access to the full Windows source code. < 1246834391 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or API documentation, for that matter. < 1246834394 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrrm < 1246834401 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: The buildbot sure does ;-) < 1246834401 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which dns cache < 1246834406 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Your local one? < 1246834416 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: For obvious reasons. < 1246834457 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yeah I flushed it... but I think maybe nss keeps one too < 1246834458 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1246834462 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :host works, firefox doesn't < 1246834473 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so clearly there is a hidden cache somewhere < 1246834494 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://web.archive.org/web/20031203024955/http://illusionary.com/GNOMEvKDE.html ;; someone should make a Windows entry for this < 1246834825 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[So there's over 4 million lines of kernel source. Let's assume 10% is < 1246834826 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comments, so there's about 3.6 million lines left. Each of those lines < 1246834827 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has to be checked for C++ keywords. Assume that you can do about 5 < 1246834829 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seconds per line (very optimistic), work 24 hours per day, and 7 days < 1246834831 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a week:]] < 1246834832 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is from a kernel developer. < 1246834834 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Translation: "What is grep?" < 1246834898 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1246834955 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: when you move from the US, move OS too. < 1246834967 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OS? < 1246834980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kernel. Sorry, zealot ;-) < 1246834982 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Operating System. < 1246834985 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1246834999 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Oh, I thought you were doing some GNU/Linux terminology shit :P < 1246835001 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do believe that that is far too dumb. < 1246835012 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, just a thinko. < 1246835044 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I see < 1246835060 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ? < 1246835069 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But seriously. Grep? < 1246835079 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lycos.fr fails to resolve due to broken glue upsetting dnsmasq < 1246835088 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can do 5 milliseconds per line, working 24 hours per day, 7 days per week. < 1246835097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No use crying over broken clue. < 1246835097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: 5ms per line? < 1246835097 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems < 1246835103 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You realise dnsmasq caches, right? < 1246835104 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so it won't help < 1246835108 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I cleared it < 1246835109 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: If that. < 1246835112 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even restarted dnsmasq < 1246835112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What kind of chip you got in there, a dorito? < 1246835123 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, so I think I made sure to avoid that issue < 1246835124 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More to the point... what kind of harddrive? < 1246835131 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crappy. < 1246835141 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5ms to process a sequentially-read file? < 1246835172 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FYI: I just tried with bind 9.4.3... it fails too on lycos.fr < 1246835189 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: But you can look it up directly with opendns, right? < 1246835197 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So as long as you hook up your cache/proxy/etc, it should work fine. < 1246835209 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I always use local cache < 1246835218 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So hook it up to OpenDNS, and it'll work. < 1246835223 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read < 1246835224 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I was off by an order of magnitude, Mmkay? < 1246835226 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before you speak < 1246835231 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, please < 1246835234 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or more) < 1246835243 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: How about telling me what I said incorrectly? I read. < 1246835302 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it fails due to broken glue for the lycos.fr domain. This happens even with opendns. It depends on the cache software. Since using host directly on isp for it works. And on OpenDNS. < 1246835321 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely your cache just directly caches the OpenDNS response? < 1246835321 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but using dnsmasq, it gets confused by the glue so it can't resolve it < 1246835328 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bind also has the same issue < 1246835333 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, can't you fucking read? < 1246835344 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes it is set to forward < 1246835364 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Your rebuttal to what I say is just "you're not reading", despite the fact that I have read it all. Perhaps you should consider the unthinkable alternative: I don't understand what you are trying to tell me. < 1246835375 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh ok < 1246835392 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would glue break the DNS cache? Don't they just directly cache OpenDNS' response? < 1246835423 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well, I don't know this well enough to explain it well, what I'm saying is based on logged error messages and tcpdump here. I don't understand DNS well enough internally to know *why* this is an issue. < 1246835449 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try djbdns' dnscache? < 1246835455 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But some googling indicates it is due to broken glue on the domain, a phrase I heard before. IIRC there is an explaination on djb's site < 1246835458 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if you don't mind daemontools cruft) < 1246835459 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, might. < 1246835470 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I already use qmail, remember! < 1246835476 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, on your local system? < 1246835481 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, um yes? < 1246835485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O < 1246835486 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you use postfix instead? < 1246835488 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what < 1246835496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use a mail server. < 1246835503 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes, an MTA. < 1246835508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ess Em Tee Pee. < 1246835509 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for cron output and such < 1246835514 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1246835515 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1246835527 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: But my system is not on 24/7 < 1246835531 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What use is cron output to me? < 1246835533 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, mine is < 1246835552 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I postulate that you use a server that happens to have a graphical terminal attached to it, not a desktop. < 1246835554 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and I always have script checking logs based on white-listing regexps! < 1246835559 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I am paranoid. < 1246835569 0 :nice!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1246835576 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good thing when there is a thing in /var/log/messages about SMART indicating disk is failing < 1246835585 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't be nice to not notice it < 1246835586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will be a day of infinite jest, that one where a trivial backdoor in your system causes all your data to be decrypted and stolen < 1246835601 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm? < 1246835603 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1246835617 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION scribbles down AnMaster for his local chapter of Paranoiac Persecutors Anonymous < 1246835624 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hey, that's a good idea. < 1246835627 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I am aware of that no system is perfect... But data-diodes are so damn expensive ;P < 1246835634 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should set up a secret society to pander to all conspiracy theories, except we only do it to the paranoids. < 1246835644 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, Paranoiac Persecutors Anonymous? < 1246835665 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we persecute paranoid people. anonymously. < 1246835670 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait... read it as *panoramic* < 1246835672 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Can I use djbdns without daemontools? Yes." < 1246835673 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet < 1246835675 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.fefe.de/djbdns/ < 1246835677 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it makes a bit more sense < 1246835684 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, didn't you know? < 1246835697 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only tried to set it up once and couldn't get it workin < 1246835697 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g < 1246835698 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you can use anything that handles wrapping them in some way < 1246835704 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it left a shitload of daemontools crap < 1246835705 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inittab would work iirc < 1246835707 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1246835719 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 bsd init < 1246835722 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also... getting *any* MTA to work is hard. < 1246835724 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so much nicer than sysv < 1246835732 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, was just an example < 1246835737 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah < 1246835740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: MTA? < 1246835743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking about dns < 1246835745 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that too < 1246835749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but MTA is worse < 1246835771 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is all the "get all the dns shit right or everyone will think you are a spammer" bit too < 1246835805 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reverse dns, forward dns, right response, right error codes, right forward domains list, right own domains list... < 1246835810 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on... and so on... < 1246835892 0 :nice!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1246835901 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm so happy for outsourcing. < 1246835912 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The internet services kind.) < 1246836189 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"we're now outsourcing our email filtering to china" < 1246836253 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm outsourcing your mom to your face. < 1246836303 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm so happy for outsourcing. <-- examples? < 1246836310 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :email, dns. < 1246836323 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, which specific provider is doing it? < 1246836333 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, why do you think daemontools is bad? < 1246836337 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :email - google, dns - opendns < 1246836349 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, lots of other email services < 1246836353 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanfully < 1246836358 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thankfully* < 1246836359 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google's is better. < 1246836374 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it beats a small company; google don't have -time- to read my email. < 1246836380 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, my own server > anyone else * (true for each sysadmin) < 1246836382 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: pollution in the form of /service, and other things < 1246836395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I have better things to do than fuck around with such things < 1246836400 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yeah it should have used /etc/daemontools/service or such < 1246836402 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gmail does verything i want < 1246836409 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :verything? < 1246836412 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :intentional or not < 1246836413 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything < 1246836421 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :verything sounds nice though < 1246836429 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of like "very everything" < 1246836435 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something you would say! < 1246836453 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1246836487 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, downside is it would be hard to differentiate from "very thing" when spoken. (As in: "the very thing") < 1246836502 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solution. lojban < 1246836504 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1246836524 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mi'e eliat xrd with some punctuation I don't care to remember < 1246836534 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also with the caveat that that lojbanization sucks. < 1246836547 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah, but with the wrong punctuation it means "your wife is a big hippo" < 1246836550 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1246836563 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lojban would never do that to me < 1246836566 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you lojban <3 < 1246836571 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1246836589 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I seriously hope you got that reference at least! < 1246836613 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after googling, no, I still don't. < 1246836628 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ever read "Interesting times". I think it was that book < 1246836632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, tv tropes informs me it's terry pratchett. < 1246836646 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, right. And a pretty famous line too < 1246836648 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :— fuck, I clicked on tv tropes. < 1246836653 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hah < 1246836659 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :phew < 1246836660 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: me too :D < 1246836661 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice and quiet evening in here then < 1246836663 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :googled for the book name to escape < 1246836683 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: tv tropes says "interesting seasons" < 1246836683 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I managed the art of escaping tv troupes easily < 1246836684 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1246836697 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :googling doesn't suggest that's a real book < 1246836700 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, wget and render to text with no links! < 1246836709 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wget? w3m -dump, bitch < 1246836712 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it's "Interesting times" < 1246836715 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that would work too < 1246836729 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so someone messed it up on tv troupes < 1246836732 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, go edit it! < 1246836744 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if reading tv tropes does this, I can't imagine how bad editing would be < 1246836763 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you would end up making a webcomic with lego. < 1246836773 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes DMM edits on tv troupes in case you didn't know) < 1246836799 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, iwc btw < 1246836812 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, and I agree with the annotation < 1246836848 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wicky < 1246836880 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ? < 1246836884 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IWC. < 1246836891 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1246836896 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1246837162 0 :immibis!n=IceChat7@125-238-252-206.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1246837227 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, does the quality of the sound card really effect how much bass it can produce? comparing with a mic (using same mixer settings) between the on-board audio and the sb live card, then using audacity to plot the frequencies show that the on board card cut off frequencies below about 40-50 Hz < 1246837237 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, iirc you said something about on-board being as good? < 1246837240 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is VIA btw < 1246837243 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me get exact model < 1246837247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How modern is this onboard? < 1246837256 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And are frequencies <40-50hz actually audible? < 1246837257 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 60) < 1246837270 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, from 2008 iirc. since I had the mobo replaced on warranty then < 1246837278 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What market range is the mobo? < 1246837280 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be 2007, but it was replaced in 2008 anyway < 1246837290 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not sure how you define those < 1246837297 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much would it cost retail? < 1246837305 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$30? $70? $200? < 1246837328 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't know... how many RAM slots does it haev? < 1246837329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*have < 1246837331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, went on warranty and they had to replace with a different brand, so no idea about the new one < 1246837336 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the old one... don't remmeber < 1246837338 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember* < 1246837360 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an Asus K7V-X SE anyway < 1246837372 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1246837374 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :K8* < 1246837375 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not 7 < 1246837377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :typo < 1246837396 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a quick glance suggests budget < 1246837407 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, two ram slots. < 1246837412 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, budget. < 1246837424 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, this is irrelevant if <40-50hz isn't audible < 1246837425 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it is < 1246837465 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone know how to embed a large (4-5MB) binary file in an executable when compiling it with gcc on windows? < 1246837471 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I can notice the difference with the dubwoofer in this recording of Vivaldi's summer (City of London Sinfonia) < 1246837481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, ok, it is audible < 1246837486 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lowest c on an 88 key piano is 32hz < 1246837497 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: dubwoofer? Is that like a subwoofer but for extra treble? < 1246837498 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes it is very very noticeable here < 1246837503 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, sub* < 1246837504 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :typo :P < 1246837513 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope you got my joke. < 1246837519 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, then your onboard sound sucks I guess < 1246837520 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, alas I did not < 1246837538 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dub? I only know what that is in Swedish < 1246837539 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dub_music < 1246837544 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1246837544 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it always sounds trebley to me < 1246837555 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dub in Swedish is the stuff you have on winter tyres(sp?) < 1246837562 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pointy metal bits < 1246837570 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make it get a better grip on ice < 1246837580 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... You've got pointer metal bits on your winter tires? < 1246837595 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: call them MËTAL TIRES < 1246837601 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, there's a thing I like about vinyl < 1246837603 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can listen to the needle < 1246837609 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubbdäck < 1246837614 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, was "dubb" not "dub" < 1246837625 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you not know of them < 1246837626 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1246837635 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you live in the south < 1246837643 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...he does? < 1246837646 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would guess a Canadian knew < 1246837656 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Missouri's in the South. < 1246837659 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to live in Colorado. < 1246837663 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but it's south of North America. < 1246837678 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which tended to have rather rough winters. < 1246837685 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True, though :P < 1246837689 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway see the link I gave < 1246837695 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a .no interwiki link too < 1246837699 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION asks oerjan for help < 1246837719 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though generally you only needed extra traction for mountain roads, and so you'd stick chains on your tires. < 1246837785 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. English is "stud". < 1246837789 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if you can get them on bicycle wheels. < 1246837793 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1246837794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bump! Bump! Bump! Bump! < 1246837801 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what about highways? < 1246837815 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I mean, when it is snowing so much they haven't had time to remove the snow yet. < 1246837820 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it happens here a lot < 1246837839 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the plows just can't remove the snow as fast as it is falling. < 1246837869 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In most of the US, that happens at most once a year. < 1246837870 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :snowplows I guess is the right term < 1246837887 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rest of the year, studded tires just damage the roads. < 1246837904 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chains do the same thing, but they can be removed easily. < 1246837915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, well, the first time every year it happens tends to be worst. Because somehow everyone is unprepared. Even though they know it happened every year before around this time of the year. +/- a week or two < 1246837928 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : The rest of the year, studded tires just damage the roads. <-- indeed < 1246837955 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"C10 16744 Approximately the tone that a typical CRT television emits while running. " < 1246837956 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :norwegian cities (including trondheim) have a special stud tax to encourage people to use stud-free winter tires < 1246837956 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why you aren't allowed to use studded tires during the summer < 1246837956 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAARGH < 1246837965 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that file + my ears = kill < 1246837976 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, link? < 1246837980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_frequencies < 1246837981 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the bottom < 1246837982 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1246837983 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly, I didn't know you could get studded tires. < 1246838001 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, it is very common here during winter. < 1246838006 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they're banned or *something*. < 1246838018 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and it's illegal to use studs in the summer < 1246838022 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: That's an annoying tone, yes. < 1246838026 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yeah it works great in cities... But not out on the countryside < 1246838034 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: all CRTs make it < 1246838035 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, and studs really help on ice < 1246838036 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can hear it < 1246838044 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so can I < 1246838056 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ / / < 1246838123 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Believe me, I know. < 1246838133 0 :augur_!n=augur@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1246838136 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE < 1246838137 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*grumble* why did anyone get the not so bright idea to put connectors on the back of desktops < 1246838145 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: This is why people use tire chains in the US. ;) < 1246838145 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: aesthetics < 1246838152 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: most modern cases have usb ports in front < 1246838155 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some others < 1246838171 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what? the aesthetics of a knee pressing the reset button by mistake when you bend behind the computer? < 1246838174 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That happened to me < 1246838187 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Put your computer on your desk. < 1246838190 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also IMO aesthetics should go to hell when it makes things impractical < 1246838196 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh. < 1246838199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :USB ports in front is fine. < 1246838203 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes it is < 1246838203 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Covers 90% of stuff. < 1246838215 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I needed line out... < 1246838246 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh, my case only has one USB port in front ._. < 1246838255 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have two of them in front < 1246838256 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :buy a new one < 1246838269 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moral of the story: USB needs to be about as fast as PCIe x16. < 1246838270 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not THAT important < 1246838283 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only stick USB ports on computers. < 1246838287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: What, not $30 important? < 1246838288 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes please. < 1246838301 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Multiple port types are the suck. < 1246838302 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, should be even faster! < 1246838321 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird err, usb for the power too? < 1246838322 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1246838325 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You can gang them together for more speed. :P < 1246838330 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Hells yes! < 1246838336 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would the wall outlet be the host then? < 1246838336 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Well, 1 gigabyte/sec is quite slow < 1246838342 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like I have that many things using USB connected to the computer at the same time < 1246838346 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just 8mbit < 1246838346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since usb is based on host- < 1246838352 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I have several ports at the back < 1246838353 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1246838354 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8gbit < 1246838373 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :infiniband < 1246838375 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(spelling?) < 1246838375 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1246838376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignore me < 1246838380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PCIe x16 = 16 gigabytes/sec < 1246838383 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, infiniband! < 1246838387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 128 gigabits < 1246838409 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: quad 12x infiniband is 96 gigabits < 1246838414 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PCIe x16 is faster. < 1246838416 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PCIe xA(g_64,g_64) < 1246838480 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, is that per direction or combined? < 1246838481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PCIe x16 could be faster though < 1246838490 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1m4s to transfer a terabyte < 1246838494 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's the total speed < 1246838508 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so it is half in either direction then? < 1246838514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Effective theoretical throughput in different configurations < 1246838517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's per direction. < 1246838521 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1246838532 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it the same for infiniband? < 1246838539 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is infiniband < 1246838550 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant for PCIe then < 1246838564 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno. < 1246838581 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is highly relevant. if it was total combined it would be slower than infiband. < 1246838589 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while if it was per direction it would be faster < 1246838613 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :infiniband is still slow — "For example, the NEC SX-9 provides 128 GB/s of low-latency interconnect bandwidth between each computing node, compared to the 96 Gbit/s of an InfiniBand 12X Quad Data Rate link.[original research?])" < 1246838619 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's 1024 gbit, beating all the others handily < 1246838639 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, btw, the crt of the TV downstairs has a slightly lower frequency, still high one though < 1246838660 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1246838770 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how silly that the Irish archlinux mirror is faster by orders of magnitudes than the Swedish ones < 1246838784 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, heanet has always been a good mirror for me < 1246838800 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Clearly we should have system buses faster than L1 cache. < 1246838807 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^Ccc-4.4.0-4-i686 15,6M 9,8K/s 00:16:58 [#################################################################------------------------------------------] 61% < 1246838813 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vs. < 1246838815 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : gcc-4.4.0-4-i686 25,3M 1714,8K/s 00:00:15 [###########################################################################################################] 100% < 1246838845 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: QUANTUM BUS < 1246838854 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑ awesome idea in any interpretation < 1246838881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, quantum school bus? < 1246838903 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑ awesome idea in any interpretation < 1246838913 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quantum bus? < 1246838915 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine can serve as that. < 1246838922 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is, both the "many worlds" one, and the other one) < 1246838937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quantum bus: because if we entangle passengers, we can fit more people on. < 1246838948 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quantum bus: Using qubits to deliver infinite gigabytes/sec. < 1246838989 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quantum bus: Don't look at it. < 1246838989 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1246838996 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quantum bus: quantising passengers into individual quantums so quantum mechanics applies. < 1246839036 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quantum bus: We just put the bus in a superposition of at the starting point and at the destination, then someone looks at it from the starting point. Repeat until it ends up in the destination. < 1246839134 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quantum bus: We check to see if the bus has spontaneously leaped to the destination. If not, we destroy the universe. < 1246839154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works given quantum immortality :) < 1246839166 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay also many worlds but that's obvious < 1246839172 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and quantum immortality depends on MWI < 1246839213 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quantum immortality is stupid anyway. < 1246839224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's true, we never sleep :) < 1246839303 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nfs rocks < 1246839325 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it doesn't < 1246839351 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, got a better suggestion for what it is meant for? That is, for accessing remote files across a protected network < 1246839362 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. scp? < 1246839363 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff like accessing music files on your file server < 1246839366 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and playing < 1246839371 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without copying to local < 1246839373 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, fail < 1246839377 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THen nope. < 1246839386 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But nfs has all the problems of rpc, and is crufty. < 1246839391 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, then nfs rocks compared to the alternatives. < 1246839400 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you would use cifs (samba) < 1246839410 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't give a shit. Plenty of things fit said criteria and are still crap. < 1246839425 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, nfs is the best one though. And it works. < 1246839430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saying "oh, it's great because it exists!" is a very stupid thing to say. < 1246839432 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with no major issues < 1246839438 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ^ < 1246839445 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't say "because it exists" < 1246839446 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: plan 9 removes the cruft but keeps the fundamental issues. < 1246839450 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevertheless, it is therefore fundamentally better. < 1246839455 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, your statement is false. < 1246839460 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is great, because it works and is quite simple to get working < 1246839465 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which can't be said for samba < 1246839513 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, does linux and freebsd support it? IIRC Linux kernel config has some experimental "Plan9 resourcesharing fs" thingy or such < 1246839520 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't remember the details < 1246839535 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but since the client is a freebsd machine < 1246839537 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really care or know, but it's just 9P, and there are Linux implementation of 9P. < 1246839543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably BSD too. < 1246839550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9P < 1246839559 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A kernel client driver for Linux is part of the v9fs project < 1246839565 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :v9fs - u9fs: 9P implementation for Unix-like operating systems < 1246839577 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a loadable Linux module. < 1246839579 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ mount -t 9p 10.10.1.2 /mnt/9 < 1246839579 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ mount -t 9p `namespace`/acme /mnt/9 -o trans=unix,uname=$USER < 1246839599 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: v9fs does bsd too it seems < 1246839608 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://swik.net/v9fs < 1246839612 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Creepy logo. < 1246839624 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, nothing FreeBSDy there < 1246839628 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Documentation can be found in the Linux kernel source under Documentation/filesystems/9p.txt with a snapshot captured here < 1246839632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: so good news: it's in Linux mainline. < 1246839637 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Creepy logo. <-- so true < 1246839647 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes, doesn't help me when I use various other OS < 1246839652 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm looking. < 1246839678 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://9p.cat-v.org/implementations < 1246839683 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I use other *BSD too a lot. Only reason I avoid OpenSolaris is the license :P < 1246839696 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9puffs 9p2000 Client C NetBSD BSD Userspace file system driver implemented on top of puffs. < 1246839700 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this doesn't imply OpenSolaris is a subset of *BSD) < 1246839714 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :puffs looks netbsd-only though. < 1246839728 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, never heard of puffs, but then netbsd is the bsd I use least < 1246839735 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: great success — < 1246839736 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://swtch.com/plan9port/man/man4/9pfuse.html < 1246839754 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make sure you have FUSE, install Plan 9 from User Space. < 1246839761 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Don't use your package manager; it shits all over the namespace.) < 1246839775 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So putting it in /usr is very unwise.) < 1246839793 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I would highly doubt freebsd would put anything from ports in /usr < 1246839798 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/local yes, but not /usr < 1246839801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever :P < 1246839808 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need /opt/plan9 for sanity, really < 1246839820 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : //usr is for distro stuff (as in base system) /usr/local for stuff from ports < 1246839822 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1246839823 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fail < 1246839825 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr is for distro stuff (as in base system) /usr/local for stuff from ports < 1246839827 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better < 1246839833 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I'm well aware < 1246839836 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: As for the file server, what OS does it run? You could run it on Plan 9, which would be fun, but I think there's servers for Linux/BSD. < 1246839859 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://swtch.com/plan9port/man/man4/9pserve.html < 1246839860 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, the file server runs OpenBSD in this case. < 1246839860 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whaddya know. < 1246839867 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I run on linux too < 1246839870 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and freebsd < 1246839879 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in this specific case: openbsd < 1246839885 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't handle mounting an actual real filesystem though. < 1246839893 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1246839900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: The link I made < 1246839901 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, a real file system is all I care about sharing < 1246839905 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1246839906 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm lookin < 1246839906 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g < 1246839912 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just that 9P is a very abstract protocol < 1246839923 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no interest in sharing /proc, nice as it may be, it isn't my goal in this case < 1246839925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1246839941 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of 9P shared stuff is things that simply don't exist in / < 1246839942 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, == a PITA < 1246839948 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: nope < 1246839951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9p is very simple < 1246839958 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sharing a real fs is trivial on Plan 9 < 1246839985 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that is my general experience with "very abstract and flexible" == hard to use in practise < 1246839993 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you have never used plan 9 < 1246840001 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but meh, maybe someone managed to combine those two attributes < 1246840004 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :libixp 9p2000 Client Server C All Unix variants MIT Originally as part of the wmii project. < 1246840017 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://repo.cat-v.org/libixp/ < 1246840020 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, good examples: ALSA, OpenAL. < 1246840029 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what "libixp lacks lib9p's file trees." means, but it may be a quick-and-easy way to serve 'er up < 1246840031 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is "bad examples" < 1246840038 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: scheme. plan 9. < 1246840049 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, fair enough < 1246840061 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think there are more cases of getting it wrong than right. < 1246840068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"[Systems] should be designed not by piling feature on top of feature, but by removing the weaknesses and restrictions that make additional features appear necessary." < 1246840090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :— Revised Revised Revised Revised Revised Report on the Algorithmic Language Scheme, s/Programming languages/Systems/. < 1246840119 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and this will let me do: sudo mount /mnt/phoenix < 1246840121 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: < 1246840121 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 6 /* This is a simple 9P file server which serves a normal filesystem < 1246840123 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 7 * hierarchy. While some of the code is from wmii, the server is by < 1246840124 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vlc /mnt/phoenix/musik/kraus/vol1/track02.flac < 1246840125 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 8 * Ron. < 1246840127 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 9 * < 1246840129 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so libixp is definitely what you want < 1246840131 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes < 1246840146 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: mounting will be: < 1246840158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: sudo mount ADDRESS /mnt/phoenix < 1246840158 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, must go in /etc/fstab < 1246840163 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/mount/9pfuse/ < 1246840165 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's a FUSE thing < 1246840167 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a FUSE filesystem < 1246840173 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaknnow? < 1246840178 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you have to put it in an init script with fuse < 1246840182 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, haven't used FUSE for ages. < 1246840202 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also init script won't work since the systems aren't always up < 1246840211 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I mount it after I booted the computer in question < 1246840217 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alias mountphoenix? < 1246840218 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I have a noauto line in /etc/fstab :P < 1246840235 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why wouldn't fstab work? < 1246840237 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1246840240 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/fuse/index.php?title=FAQ#Is_it_possible_to_mount_a_fuse_filesystem_from_fstab.3F < 1246840245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess you can now < 1246840255 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mounting is performed by the /sbin/mount.fuse helper script. In this example the FUSE-linked binary must be called sshfs and must reside somewhere in $PATH. < 1246840263 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You'll just have to figure out how to call 9pfuse(1) with it < 1246840270 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*(4) < 1246840292 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anything that can be in /proc/mounts can in general be copied to /etc/fstab + some minor changes and made to work < 1246840293 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1246840298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welp, do that then < 1246840323 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 10 * Note: I added an ifdef for Linux vs. BSD for the mount call, so < 1246840323 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 11 * this compiles on BSD, but it won't actually run. It should, < 1246840325 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 12 * ideally, have the option of not mounting the FS. < 1246840327 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1246840329 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird example: < 1246840331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :phoenix:/home/anmaster /mnt/phoenix nfs rw,vers=3,rsize=65536,wsize=65536,namlen=255,soft,nointr,proto=tcp,timeo=600,retrans=2,sec=sys,mountaddr=192.168.0.191,mountvers=3,mountproto=tcp,addr=192.168.0.191 0 0 < 1246840332 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might need to patch ixpsrv.c, then < 1246840332 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns into < 1246840337 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :phoenix:/home/anmaster /mnt/phoenix nfs rw,nfsvers=3,soft,noauto 0 0 < 1246840347 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cutting out the useless defaults < 1246840355 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and adding noauto < 1246840360 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1246840373 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :libixp might not be th ebest choice < 1246840375 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, mount --bind in fstab? certainly possible. < 1246840375 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to linuxness < 1246840387 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, this was phoenix mounted on linux btw < 1246840397 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is mounted on several *bsd too atm < 1246840410 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where I actually have the speakers connected < 1246840426 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there is a reason... believe me) < 1246840434 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's called "cable length and placement" < 1246840435 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1246840441 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get some cable extenders? < 1246840460 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I already had a computer near where I needed < 1246840461 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why < 1246840467 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this works well enough < 1246840469 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You brought it up. < 1246840483 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't imply "I think it is bad" < 1246840491 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just "this may seem odd to you, but there is a good reason" < 1246840524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, a bind mount under *linux looks like: /foo/real /bar/mounted/here none rw,bind 0 0 < 1246840532 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1246840533 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"none" is the key word there < 1246840546 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, on freebsd you use "nullfs" iirc < 1246840562 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this other filesystem, incidentally, IS connected via ethernet right? < 1246840581 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, via null modem cable! duh < 1246840582 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1246840589 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, not wirelessly < 1246840600 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my main objection to networked filesystems is over the internet; fast operations — which is basically anything apart from things involving large data, on a harddrive — suddenly take up to seconds < 1246840602 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, gbit ethernet between bsd-bsd. But wireless to the linux < 1246840606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :leaky abstraction, just like RPC < 1246840624 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1246840625 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well depends on *which* linu < 1246840627 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :linux* < 1246840628 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1246840647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"OpenBitTorrent is a bittorrent tracker free for anyone to use. You don't need to register, upload or index a torrent anywhere, all you have to do is to include the OpenBitTorrent tracker URL in your torrent." < 1246840648 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shiny. < 1246840691 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway, does 9P fail over wlan or something? < 1246840694 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or why do you wonder? < 1246840699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:36 ehird: my main objection to networked filesystems is over the internet; fast operations — which is basically anything apart from things involving large data, on a harddrive — suddenly take up to seconds < 1246840702 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though over slow wireless counts too) < 1246840704 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:36 ehird: leaky abstraction, just like RPC < 1246840707 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1246840728 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, got a better abstraction that does basically the same thing? ;P < 1246840737 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mu < 1246840744 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well, for controlling music over the internet... < 1246840744 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1246840746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :music player daemon < 1246840759 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :networked music library/player with a one-server, many-client architecture < 1246840762 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I mean, access various large files as if it was a local file system < 1246840769 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right: mu < 1246840774 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was giving for a specific case < 1246840788 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although of course that limits you to one track since one server, one output < 1246840797 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's unlikely to be a limitation for one person < 1246840802 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I often compile over nfs, and one computer even use nfs for /, I'm experimenting with thin clients < 1246840810 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nfs for /? < 1246840811 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1246840823 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that is the classical way for thin clients < 1246840829 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PXE booting and nfs for / < 1246840839 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, never tried it? ;P < 1246840853 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:37 ehird: "OpenBitTorrent is a bittorrent tracker free for anyone to use. You don't need to register, upload or index a torrent anywhere, all you have to do is to include the OpenBitTorrent tracker URL in your torrent." < 1246840855 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:37 ehird: Shiny. < 1246840857 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑ Update: for values of shiny equal to "same ip as the pirate bay" < 1246840863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i hate traditional thin clients < 1246840873 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, is that good or bad? < 1246840891 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: What do you mean? < 1246840898 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" ↑ Update: for values of shiny equal to "same ip as the pirate bay"" < 1246840900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not actually a thing, they just remapped the IP to the pirate bay and put up a website saying it's something new < 1246840902 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes no sense < 1246840912 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1246840918 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"GGF only bought the domain name and a copy of the TPB's database(without logs since they dont exist). As of right now the domain name hasn't been transferred. Also the TPB's infrastructure hasn't been sold at all." < 1246840919 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1246840940 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hnuh < 1246840945 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(n intentional) < 1246840977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This crap hurts the industry. Where I work I've already seen people being made redundant. The more law suits to get this junk shut down the better. The Internet wasnt created to let people steal movies and music." < 1246840978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :—reddit < 1246840980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stab, stab, stab. < 1246840982 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, about thin clients.. I'm beginning to see why after experimenting with them :P < 1246841169 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway checking out 9P is something I will do in the future. But too much kernel rebuilding on both *bsd and linux required to do this atm, will enable the options the next time I recompile the kernels though < 1246841187 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: there's no rebuilding required < 1246841188 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just FUSE < 1246841198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, the 9P stuff in the linux kernel? < 1246841211 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, there is a damn kernel option for it. < 1246841219 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also Plan 9 from Userspace. < 1246841220 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my advise didn't include that, though < 1246841224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my advise was cross-platform, too < 1246841228 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no shit < 1246841230 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we've just discussed using it < 1246841233 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :p9fuse < 1246841247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fuse9p, *9pfuse, I dunno < 1246841247 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so you recommend that on all OSes? < 1246841256 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what is your personal experience with it? < 1246841266 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: without any further evidence, yes, I would recommend it. and the same of that as google's. < 1246841273 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The FUSE API *is* implemented on all major OSes but Windows... < 1246841274 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1246841285 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and some minor ones; HURD, for example, has an implementation) < 1246841299 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I would like to see one for PC-DOS < 1246841302 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not MS-DOS) < 1246841345 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Impossible. < 1246841357 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no it's not. loadlin! < 1246841421 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was that about TPB and this tracker? < 1246841430 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, why impossible? < 1246841434 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could do it as a TSR < 1246841438 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember those? :D < 1246841454 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The FUSE API assumes a full-on process. < 1246841475 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, meh... I'm sure you could adapt it in some mad way using TSRs < 1246841496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just implement a scheduler in the fuse program < 1246841500 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and use it to run the other programs < 1246841507 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1246842243 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1246842480 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :transhumanist anticipation of the singularity is comparable to Christian anticipation of the second coming of Jesus Christ < 1246842480 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[...] < 1246842482 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A movement which views its ultimate purpose as bringing enlightenment to the universe sets itself up in direct opposition to God’s own purpose … their ambition — like Satan’s — will one day lead to an outright physical confrontation with God Himself. It’s a battle that God will win. < 1246842486 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LAWL < 1246842544 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, where was that from? < 1246842558 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly what will actually happen is that the singularity will become manifest in the form of Jesus Christ. :P < 1246842567 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The wonderful fundie site Rapture Ready: http://www.raptureready.com/featured/gillette/transhuman.html < 1246842590 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(tl;dr of the site's prerogative: "The rapture will happen in 1999. Uh. 2003. Uh. 2007. Uh. 2012." < 1246842598 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1246842604 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... 2012. Really. < 1246842609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Numbers made up. < 1246842617 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How ignorant psuedo-Mayan of them. < 1246842660 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psuedo-Mayan? Why Mayan in specific? < 1246842666 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: google 2012 < 1246842683 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't Maya a rather good (but expensive) 3D editor iirc? ~ < 1246842692 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Mayan calender sets 2012 as the end of the current epoch. < 1246842698 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahaha < 1246842719 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some think that this means that the Mayans predicted the end of the world on 2012. < 1246842726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ldopa.net/2006/06/04/cory-doctorow-visits-a-radio-shack/ ← This is hilarious < 1246842743 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When in fact it's merely the end of the current calender epoch; it will just cycle over the day after the winter solstice. < 1246842890 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1246842907 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Eliezer Yudkowsky (pronounced “Frankensteen”)]] < 1246842953 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :font fail..? < 1246842959 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh? < 1246842997 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure yet < 1246843026 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;" hm < 1246843036 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about it? < 1246843047 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet why is … turned into a box in firefox < 1246843061 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because your mom is a fly. < 1246843066 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :works in konqueror 3.5 though < 1246843068 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1246843161 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: you're studying mathematics, right? a guy on reddit is claiming that "the length of a set is the number of elements it has" is an unusual definition < 1246843167 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and arguing that a set can have infinite items but finite length < 1246843169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is he on? < 1246843291 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, even to me, who isn't great at math, that sounds very odd < 1246843300 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :welp, byebye all < 1246843305 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm? < 1246843306 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TURN INTO A DOOM OF THE PIG < 1246843309 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :→ < 1246843325 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, this sounds slightly less sane than "nullity" < 1246843358 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Infinite items but finite length? < 1246843383 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what sort of screwy axiomatic system he's using, and how much LSD was involved. < 1246848533 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :augur < 1246848671 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION needs to figure out how to write a resume < 1246849800 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: he must be talking about intervals. < 1246849826 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so he's simply saying length instead of measure < 1246850070 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1246850857 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What JS toolkit is most used by companies? < 1246851203 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://verrahrubicon.free.fr/SPIDER%20WEB.png < 1246851211 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPIDER ON THE WEB < 1246851535 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the difference between jQuery and dojo? < 1246851565 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dojo is for karat < 1246851607 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION facepalms < 1246851770 0 :Pthingg!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1246853198 0 :immibis!n=IceChat7@125-238-252-206.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1246853938 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1246855761 0 :zid!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1246856140 0 :zid!n=zid@zid-1-pt.tunnel.tserv5.lon1.ipv6.he.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1246858594 0 :Associat0r!n=Associat@h163153.upc-h.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1246862190 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reads about karate. < 1246862284 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reads about BCM theory. < 1246862425 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BCM? < 1246862558 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BCM stands for Bienenstock, Cooper and Munro. < 1246862564 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very elucidating, I'm sure. < 1246862568 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BCM_theory < 1246862596 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For all I know it could be Bowel and Cock Movement < 1246862677 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The strangest bodily fluid ever observed. < 1246862969 0 :oklodok!n=nnscript@h028068.gprs.dnafinland.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1246862975 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finland! < 1246863005 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1246863016 0 :oklodok!n=nnscript@h028068.gprs.dnafinland.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1246863037 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :may i interest you all in a sevenfold glio < 1246863194 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No! Finland! < 1246863215 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that may be. < 1246863324 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq are you an mit student, or was your praise that of a university theoretician < 1246863344 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or seven glia, if you don't have any Finland on you. < 1246863360 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1246863404 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're going to have to explain dat < 1246863431 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does "sevenfold glio" have an explanation? < 1246863444 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1246863447 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's plain english < 1246863559 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1246863559 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1246863559 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1246863563 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokoko < 1246863563 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1246863564 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1246863564 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1246863566 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokoko < 1246863567 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1246863569 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1246863571 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1246863573 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokoko < 1246863575 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko < 1246863577 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1246863579 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1246863671 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been singing glioing in the fog / glioing in the fogger / the fogger in the fol all week < 1246863682 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wiktionary doesn't even have an entry for "glio". < 1246863716 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore, it's not plain English. < 1246863723 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a prefix for all that is gluey afaik < 1246863743 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use is as a synonym for oko. < 1246863745 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it < 1246863773 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since when is wiktionary a dictionary < 1246863777 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it decent nowadays? < 1246863998 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well aren't you being asynchronous < 1246864146 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have blow air out of my eye < 1246864152 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*can blow < 1246864255 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklodok! < 1246864256 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey. < 1246864277 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1246864285 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey aug < 1246864292 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soup, love < 1246864295 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awg the dawg < 1246864302 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nuu :( < 1246864305 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though the English Wiktionary contains more Spanish words than the Spanish Wiktionary, if I'm not mistaken. Which is, you know. < 1246864395 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i definitely don't know < 1246864398 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this website seems to be kind of backwards < 1246864410 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :come from linkns? < 1246864411 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps written by someone who's used to programming in befunge or something < 1246864412 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*links < 1246864421 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost, man < 1246864424 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a list of things < 1246864430 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they're in reverse order < 1246864431 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sound aweful < 1246864438 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sic) < 1246864440 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just numerically < 1246864444 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in terms of content < 1246864449 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool. < 1246864453 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first one replies to whats said in the second < 1246864473 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not only that, but instead of #1 and #2 it says 1# and 2# < 1246864478 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1246864560 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had a panic induced high the other day < 1246864569 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders come-from links. < 1246864570 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like saying random things. < 1246864577 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, me too! < 1246864588 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one < 1246864589 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warble < 1246864601 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The random things one. < 1246864610 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here, I'll give you a stupid piece of BNF. < 1246864628 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waits for augur to show he's in charge < 1246864638 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, because of the bnf thing < 1246864645 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the gay thing < 1246864649 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1246864652 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would that? < 1246864672 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well isn't that related to linguistics < 1246864682 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1246864686 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its related to formal grammars? < 1246864704 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i confusing the acronym < 1246864716 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1246864718 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was. < 1246864738 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is, but only by virtue of being related to formal grammar < 1246864747 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ::= {"A" | "B" } ( {} | {} | epsilon}; ::= "A" | "B" ; ::= "B" | "A" < 1246864762 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, may have been entirely my fault, but you definitely *did* show you're in charge. < 1246864763 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1246864764 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i win < 1246864766 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by losing. < 1246864773 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :take that bitch < 1246864785 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That piece of BNF is stupid because it's a really long way of writing ::= {"A" | "B"}. < 1246864806 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, s/};/);/ < 1246864825 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1246864834 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what doe the {}s mean? < 1246864844 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like regex * < 1246864857 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, well < 1246864860 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then like < 1246864873 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not a way of writing ::= ("A" | "B") < 1246864888 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ir might be of writing ::= {"A"|"B"} < 1246864923 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's that not showing you're in charge < 1246864958 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear, her sister betrayed her! < 1246864979 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1246864981 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| is totally a space-requiring operator. < 1246865002 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ur moms a space requiring operator < 1246865023 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you, augur, are taking me a bit too literally today. < 1246865041 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wot < 1246865050 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right < 1246865053 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you take my random, and say what < 1246865053 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im taking you too seriously < 1246865057 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not just taking you < 1246865062 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION takes oklodok < 1246865062 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1246865072 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1246865091 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I SEE WHAT'S GOING ON < 1246865100 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so anyone read dostojevski's idiot < 1246865135 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns out everyone in the 19th century was high 24/7. < 1246865239 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Misread "anyone read that dostojevski idiot", thought "a bit harsh". < 1246865279 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's either an idiot of a genius, that much i know < 1246865282 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*or < 1246865290 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why, why do all my typos mean something < 1246865343 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "that dostojevski idiot" does not mean dostojevski was an idiot. < 1246865368 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah you'd need to reverse it or it's another genetive < 1246865375 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what are you implying < 1246865396 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, augur: ur moms a space requiring operator <<< how did you come up with this < 1246865397 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I guess it should be "that idiot dostojevski" then. Anyway, that's the meaning I parsed out of it. < 1246865422 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you dont parse meanings you parse structures! :| < 1246865441 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all this charge is charring my hair < 1246865453 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all this char is charging my hair < 1246865470 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not the chars themselves that charge, it's the structures < 1246865474 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they form < 1246865489 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION forms a structure with oklopol < 1246865527 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa, purely-intuitivited (or maybe I remembered it from somewhere) google search style of "that * idiot" (in quotes) actually did what I wanted, which was to find that+[any-word-or-two]+idiot. < 1246865559 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hurrah! < 1246865562 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok im off to read < 1246865568 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, really? < 1246865582 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i know its shocking but i do read. < 1246865591 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh read < 1246865595 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you said sleep < 1246865596 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or bed < 1246865605 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a common mistake < 1246865610 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read and sleep look a lot alike < 1246865616 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you close your eyes, anyway. < 1246865634 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially as i read the meaning behind sleep and bed, neither word in particular. < 1246865649 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1246865656 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, i probably just didn't read the last word < 1246865663 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you read < 1246865721 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :books, usually. < 1246865731 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argument Realization, Chapter 4 - Three conceptualizations of events < 1246865732 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :words? < 1246865734 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but are you reading that dostojevski idiot < 1246865738 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes words < 1246865754 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: what does that mean? < 1246865787 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means he sometimes reads words < 1246865814 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you can just go, it's probably too complicated for my fantastically less cleve brain. < 1246865821 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the book is about how arguments to verbs are denoted < 1246865836 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in terms of their position relative to the verbs, and their phrasal type < 1246865872 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes more sense than the meaning i *parsed* at first, that is, "argument realization" as in "how to start a fight". < 1246865876 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or like row < 1246865881 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oklodok's fantastically cleaved brain. < 1246865894 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1246865904 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you said "less cleve" < 1246865906 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you take my awesome pun and turn it into that. < 1246865913 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so. < 1246865916 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1246865920 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its an interesting book < 1246865924 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and im off to read it now. < 1246865927 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kthxbai < 1246865934 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :byes < 1246866055 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was 'augur: you said "less cleve"' referring to < 1246866074 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was replying to your huh < 1246866078 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The little girl says to her father, "What did you bring that book that I did not want to be read to out of about Down Under up for?" < 1246866088 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1246866094 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it an explanation of fizzie's < 1246866107 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrigal: yes. < 1246866116 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Change that sentence so that each preposition precedes the thing it prepositions. < 1246866123 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bane of the english teacher who things you cant end a sentence with a preposition < 1246866141 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool, your typo meant too. < 1246866156 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warrigal, you can remove all but one of the sentence final prepositions < 1246866189 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Down Under doesnt count, since its a proper noun, so we can ignore it < 1246866205 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more importantly, because we want to actually have a tricky problem, we remove the whole "about Down Under" phrase < 1246866219 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we're actually left with five prepositions in a row < 1246866247 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For what did you bring up that book out of which I did not want to be read to < 1246866270 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The little girl says to her father, "For what did you bring up that book about Down Under out of which I did not want to be read to?" < 1246866274 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much a match. < 1246866288 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "up" seems to be acting as an adjective. < 1246866296 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1246866299 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a resultative. < 1246866308 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Typo. s/adjective/adverb/ < 1246866321 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"To be read to" is rather pathological, isn't it. < 1246866322 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. even then. < 1246866328 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not a syntactic adverb < 1246866335 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its an adverbial preposition, however. < 1246866348 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or probably more accurately, a preposition that is an argument to the verb. < 1246866368 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, "to be read to" is not pathological at all < 1246866376 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a propositional passive. < 1246866379 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would it be pathological < 1246866385 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what sense < 1246866388 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get < 1246866407 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pathological in that you can't make the "to" precede its prepositionee. < 1246866434 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And by "prepositionee", I mean "complement". < 1246866436 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, but thats not pathological. < 1246866501 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pathological for people who want to do that. < 1246866522 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone does that < 1246866529 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some just refuse to admit it. < 1246866560 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone makes prepositions precede their prepositionees? < 1246866586 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, everyone strands their prepositions < 1246866589 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in english) < 1246866682 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish i had something to drink to < 1246866694 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :drink to churchill! < 1246866714 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm so going to drink up to it < 1246866997 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you go drink on up to it, oklodok < 1246867034 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're going to be up your churchill in drinks. < 1246867045 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure i can drink up to it. < 1246867047 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better than being up to your drinks in churchill! < 1246867084 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I missed the "to" too. < 1246867095 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didnt notice at all. < 1246867109 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't they mean a different thing < 1246867116 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1246867123 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :up your churchill being in churchill's ass < 1246867130 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe! < 1246867136 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how i read it < 1246867140 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION bes up my oklodok? < 1246867163 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :be is actually somewhat of an irregular verb. < 1246867169 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOMEWHAT? < 1246867180 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's occasionatively irregular, i'd say. < 1246867182 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be, i am, you are, he/she/it is, we/you/they are < 1246867199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1246867200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1246867208 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was, you were, he/she/it/was, we/you/they were < 1246867240 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah and those are only the beginning < 1246867322 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BE ME UP, BEFORE YOU GO GO < 1246867351 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1246867362 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm insane < 1246867362 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was the original? "Beam me up before you go-go?" < 1246867374 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1246867375 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just thinking i've definitely heard that somewhere < 1246867377 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but wake < 1246867377 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the original is wake me up. < 1246867384 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you listen do disco < 1246867388 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1246867389 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to < 1246867403 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just one fucking finger typo, and i'd be happy < 1246867407 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nooooo < 1246867426 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, its not disco < 1246867428 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its pop. < 1246867429 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kthxbye < 1246867440 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i've been lied to < 1246867453 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you suck at going < 1246867455 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like me < 1246867460 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's sad < 1246867473 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Misread "just lick me". < 1246867474 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1246867481 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION licks oklodok < 1246867492 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah stop sucking and start licking < 1246867500 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, i mustve misread it too! D: < 1246867540 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should go too, to the shoppe, to buy < 1246867552 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do have beer here, but i'm not sure i'm man enough < 1246867587 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i saw this three-year-old < 1246867596 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i tried to ask him if he knew group theory < 1246867598 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no < 1246867599 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he didn't < 1246867614 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wasn't even that interested in hearing < 1246867640 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a lossager. < 1246867646 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just wanted to pour more water in his flower soup < 1246867657 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and list spanish words to me < 1246867739 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although he just listed three < 1246867759 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he wasn't interested in hearing the italian translations < 1246867768 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is even lossagerer < 1246867778 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun generalization: instead of a subject pronoun followed by a copula, use a possessive pronoun. < 1246867841 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"My not alone, and your not alone either. Our all in this together. That's why we can defeat them; their all scattered about. His in one place, her in another." < 1246867879 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid of that < 1246867911 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess that was a bit too obvious. < 1246868416 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"if i didn't know better, i'd think you actually wanted the man to have a nervous breakdown" "then maybe you don't know better, because i care for your father too" < 1246868425 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the man = father) < 1246868480 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i didn't know better, i'd think that made no sense. < 1246868503 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortunately you know butter. < 1246868515 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again the incredible genius got the beginning of the fibonacci sequence wrong, so i guess i might be right. < 1246868516 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the biblical sense, I guess. < 1246868534 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love tv shows that have math/cs in them < 1246868549 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are such? < 1246868555 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We don't have a televisor. < 1246868556 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well definitely not < 1246868564 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i mean shows that try to have them < 1246868614 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard of something called numb3rs, but no details. < 1246868635 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's on tv, it's probably done wrong. < 1246868658 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people aren't interested in anything interesting < 1246868662 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it's psychology < 1246868721 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, i'll download that if it's a show < 1246868725 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the title of this one: http://demonstrations.wolfram.com/MeasuringTheSpeedOfLightWithMarshmallows/ < 1246868787 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my connection is very slow, i'm downloading a lot of... puppies, because i finally have a stable flow of internet here. < 1246868814 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't get that open at all it seems < 1246868858 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The puppies are probably eating the marshmallows, then. < 1246868911 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm overdosing on life atm < 1246868923 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably should drink the beer to calm down. < 1246868963 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean i'm seriously contemplating running out without my clothes on < 1246868983 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, to greet the trees < 1246868985 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TREES < 1246869000 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a reason they have leaves < 1246869021 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should put my clothes on < 1246869063 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of my university professors moved into the building < 1246869095 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is not very nice because i know him well enough that i have to greet him < 1246869113 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might rise some eyebrows (or maybe other things as well!) if you were to go greet him sans clothes. < 1246869114 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm afraid i'll start talking math to him < 1246869124 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would be very unprofessional of me. < 1246869154 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's lunch-sausage time now. < 1246869177 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's a mathematica fetishist, actually < 1246869195 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i probably couldn't petrify his pendulum < 1246869263 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :written like a 1000 page book about mathematica, but didn't know what GC is < 1246869306 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway enjoy sawing your sages, i'll try that shoppe thing < 1246869386 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does QED stand for? < 1246869395 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quantum electro dynamics < 1246869396 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1246869400 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quod erat demonstrandum < 1246869464 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur speaks latin natively < 1246869485 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do. < 1246869550 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was trying to find the name of the imaginary country that'd speak latin, but wasn't sure what it'd be < 1246869562 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He mostly speaks gay < 1246869562 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Holy See. < 1246869567 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't come up with a language that ends in "in" < 1246869578 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Athabaskin < 1246869595 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but one where the country is a simple suffix modification < 1246869611 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is not the case there < 1246869662 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Latin is the language spoken by Lats. < 1246869672 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Latand? < 1246869690 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Latin is spoken by Latins in Latium. < 1246869709 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mandarin is spoken by mandarine < 1246869713 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Italiïn. < 1246869799 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hawaiiïn. < 1246869823 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tok Pisin. < 1246869833 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my friend knows tp < 1246869845 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1246869846 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaks < 1246869858 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. i guess that's too strong a word < 1246869861 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something in between < 1246869874 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Understands? < 1246869876 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Latin and Tok Pisin are the only Wikipedias ending in in. < 1246869892 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that. or occasionally obsesses over. < 1246870007 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"# The Klingon language edition of the Wikipedia is no longer hosted by Wikimedia and is now hosted by Wikia as Klingon Wiki. There is more on the history of the Klingon Wikipedia." < 1246870009 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn you! < 1246870051 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Among the problems was the existence of interwiki links from the main page and other articles, which some Wikipedians felt detracted from the scholarly appearance of the project." < 1246870063 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't an article on Obama in Klingon serious? < 1246870075 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it about assassinating him < 1246870093 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine such an article would refer to him as Admiral Obama < 1246870098 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Warlord Obama < 1246870135 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1246870159 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because most of Klingon is derived from Star Trek so the vocabulary is famously rather limited < 1246870164 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially for everyday things < 1246870184 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DIvI' HoSghaj 'oH America yoSmey jIj'e' (United States of America). tInqu' yoSghomvam 'ej mIpqu'. < 1246870184 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vaghmaH yoS ghaj. Washington 'oH monDaj'e'. motlh pa' DIvI' Hol jatlhlu'. DIS 1776 yoSmey jIj luchenmoHlu'ta'. George Washington ghaH che'wI' wa'DIch pong'e'. DaH Barack Obama ghaH che'wI' loSmaH loSDIch'e'. < 1246870211 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've just heard it's good for talking about killing, and nothing else. < 1246870228 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1246870251 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why the assassin joke was so hilarious < 1246870263 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you were wondering why you're dripping stomach fluids < 1246870263 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What joke < 1246870272 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1246870272 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine < 1246870276 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :look closelier < 1246870280 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1246870311 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :explains a lot doesn't it < 1246870510 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1246870515 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously shoppe < 1246870516 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1246871282 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%f %f", 1.0, 0.0); < 1246871285 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.000000 0.000000 < 1246871293 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%f %f", 1.0f, 0.0f); < 1246871294 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.000000 0.000000 < 1246871418 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c while(1){printf("f");} < 1246871424 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No? < 1246871431 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c while(1){printf("f\n");} < 1246871433 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f < 1246871457 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahahah < 1246871463 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rest was sent in private session < 1246871468 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost crashed my mIRC < 1246871545 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have to define variables with this bot? < 1246871555 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or are they dynamic or whatever the word is < 1246871576 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c a = 33; printf("%c",a); < 1246871577 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not compile. < 1246871581 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noooo < 1246871590 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int a; a = 33; printf("%c",a); < 1246871592 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1246871595 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%i %i",sizeof(float),sizeof(double)); < 1246871596 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 8 < 1246871606 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is for a discussion in #gcc btw < 1246871623 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%i %i",sizeof(1.0),sizeof(1.0f)); < 1246871624 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 4 < 1246871637 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%i %i",sizeof(1.0),sizeof(1.0f+2.0f)); < 1246871638 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 4 < 1246871670 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c void a(float b) {printf("%i",sizeof(b));} void main() {a(1.0f);} < 1246871673 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int a; for(i=0;i<100;i++){a[i]="f"}a = 33; printf("%c",a); < 1246871674 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not compile. < 1246871675 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops < 1246871694 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int a; for(i=0;i<100;i++){a[i]=70;} printf("%c",a); < 1246871695 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not compile. < 1246871703 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :declare i? < 1246871704 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int[100] a; for(i=0;i<100;i++){a[i]=70;} printf("%c",a); < 1246871704 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not compile. < 1246871706 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c void a(float b) {printf("%i ",sizeof(b));} void main() {a(1.0f);} < 1246871708 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right < 1246871714 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c void a(float b) {printf("%i ",sizeof(b));} a(1.0f); < 1246871714 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 < 1246871724 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int a[100],i; for(i=0;i<100;i++){a[i]=70;} printf("%c",a); < 1246871726 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :P < 1246871734 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait < 1246871738 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What am I doing < 1246871752 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a clue < 1246871767 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disregard this, I suck cocks < 1246871773 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1246871784 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int a[100]; int i; for(i=0;i<100;i++){a[i]='f';} a[99]='\0'; printf("%s",a); < 1246871785 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f < 1246871792 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1246871798 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int a[100]; int i; for(i=0;i<100;i++){a[i]='f';} printf("%s",a); < 1246871799 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f < 1246871805 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int a[100]; int i; for(i=0;i<100;i++){a[i]='f';} printf("%s",&a); < 1246871806 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f < 1246871808 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int a[100]; int i; for(i=0;i<100;i++){a[i]='f';} printf("%s",*a); < 1246871809 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :./interps/gcccomp/gcccomp: line 52: 7197 Segmentation fault /tmp/compiled.$$ < 1246871818 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c *(int*)NULL = 0; < 1246871819 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :./interps/gcccomp/gcccomp: line 52: 7242 Segmentation fault /tmp/compiled.$$ < 1246871820 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Declare a char instead of an int, maybe? < 1246871822 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c 1/0; < 1246871830 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c char a[100]; int i; for(i=0;i<100;i++){a[i]='f';} printf("%s",*a); < 1246871831 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :./interps/gcccomp/gcccomp: line 52: 7337 Segmentation fault /tmp/compiled.$$ < 1246871831 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh duh < 1246871837 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c char a[100]; int i; for(i=0;i<100;i++){a[i]='f';}a[99] = '\0'; printf("%s",*a); < 1246871838 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :./interps/gcccomp/gcccomp: line 52: 7377 Segmentation fault /tmp/compiled.$$ < 1246871845 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c char a[100]; int i; for(i=0;i<100;i++){a[i]='f';}a[99] = '\0'; printf("%s",a); < 1246871846 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff < 1246871848 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use ints because I hate chars D: < 1246871850 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c char a[100]; int i; for(i=0;i<100;i++){a[i]='f';}a[99] = '\0'; printf("%s",a); < 1246871851 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff < 1246871854 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, ints will not work < 1246871861 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, ints work < 1246871874 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of 0x86,0x86,0x86 you get 0x86,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x86,0x00,0x00,0x00... < 1246871878 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in memory < 1246871884 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you print an int as a %c, it will just be the ASCII char with that value < 1246871886 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c char a[1024]; int i; for(i=0;i<1024;i++){a[i]='f';}a[99] = '\0'; printf("%s",a); < 1246871887 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff < 1246871890 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1246871892 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not with %s < 1246871899 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea < 1246871900 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c char a[1024]; int i; for(i=0;i<1024;i++){a[i]='f';}a[1023] = '\0'; printf("%s",a); < 1246871901 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff < 1246871916 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int k;for(k=0;k<1000;k++){char a[1024]; int i; for(i=0;i<1024;i++){a[i]='f';}a[1023] = '\0'; printf("%s",a);} < 1246871921 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff < 1246871995 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("\nJOIN #gcc\n"); < 1246872007 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn, didn't work < 1246872035 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("\\JOIN #gcc"); < 1246872036 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\JOIN #gcc < 1246872041 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noooo < 1246872056 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c gets(NULL); < 1246872061 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1246872067 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("Hi!"); < 1246872068 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi! < 1246872080 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("Hello, world!"); < 1246872081 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world! < 1246872109 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("!swedish Derp derp I am swedish C"); < 1246872110 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish Derp derp I am swedish C < 1246872117 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No? < 1246872119 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish Derp derp I am swedish C < 1246872120 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Derp derp I em svedeesh C < 1246872131 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, they're the same bot < 1246872136 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes... < 1246872137 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1246872141 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What other bot as sveedeesh again? < 1246872152 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1246872153 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: wow i wudnt of guessed. the pilot, co-pilot, engineer and navigator, maybe she'll be able to take off instead of land why the hell out when i saw this footage does show promise... it looks pre-rendered. i believe the cause of this < 1246872158 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^language < 1246872162 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help < 1246872162 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool < 1246872169 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1246872170 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube* < 1246872175 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, hello < 1246872175 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis: the only reason i'd watch the documentary on this < 1246872181 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is because? < 1246872181 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis: we all know this sounds a lot was riding on this on snl. andy, jorma, akiva schaffer, and it shows exactly that in france < 1246872188 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot in france what? < 1246872188 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis: he's pretty amazing... and you didn't answer the question: how exactly can a ' go around < 1246872195 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("fungot, want to gay out?"); < 1246872196 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: wow that was a computer? look, now shes ok, farinelli... but i think senator clinton's management of the story of the company to fly < 1246872196 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, want to gay out? < 1246872199 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, i don't know how a ' can go around... < 1246872199 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis: i'm a pussy by birth! i can't wait < 1246872202 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1246872203 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1246872204 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1246872215 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why won't the bots communicate :( < 1246872218 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FIZZIE: Bug report. Fungot generates incomplete sentences. < 1246872223 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably set to ignore each other < 1246872227 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :want me to bring toboge? < 1246872228 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish fungot, want to gay out? < 1246872228 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: as to how these were the people skills of a plane, knowing men, women and their children died as you always do--i've come to mine by consulting such sources as time changes to stop judging whats on the screen < 1246872228 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foongut, vunt tu gey oooot? Bork Bork Bork! < 1246872239 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foongut? lol < 1246872246 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm afraid we have enough bots as it is < 1246872253 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("_o_"); < 1246872253 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :             | < 1246872253 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :            /\ < 1246872254 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_o_ < 1246872254 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : | < 1246872254 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/| < 1246872273 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ignore < 1246872274 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^(EgoBot|HackEgo) < 1246872279 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's fungot's current ignore-regexp. < 1246872280 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: fuck you encul de tes morts de ta race de narvale putain de ta race de narvale putain de ta mere stizz would not pick up duke nukem trailer. < 1246872287 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1246872287 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube* < 1246872352 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "when to stop a sentence" thing is a bit arbitrary and pessimal. < 1246872395 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, hello < 1246872395 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis: the add about not wanting to go around it spose to be amazing < 1246872402 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that just plain doesn't make sense < 1246872406 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, i don't understand you < 1246872406 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis: i still love you nalts! your awesome!! < 1246872410 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf? < 1246872416 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, who is nalts? < 1246872416 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis: it's not a large turbojet aircraft gets slow enough it requires more power but the computer wouldn't provide power, but i loved it. if you don't even like basketball stalled and crashed < 1246872422 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does HackEgo do? < 1246872433 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :runs shell commands i think < 1246872438 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1246872439 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asm-test \ asm-test.S \ asm-test.c \ bin \ busybox \ paste \ quotes \ share \ tmpdir.8417 < 1246872447 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1246872447 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1246872456 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do one-parameter commands with `command argument goes here < 1246872467 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or normal shell commands with `run command and arguments < 1246872470 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo !swedish bork bork bork < 1246872471 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish bork bork bork < 1246872482 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why won't the robots be friends :( < 1246872493 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo fungot < 1246872494 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: wow hes gay?" i believe you still you don't, etc. < 1246872494 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1246872534 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo `echo a < 1246872535 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo a < 1246872559 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("`echo _o_"); < 1246872559 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                   | < 1246872559 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                  /'\ < 1246872560 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo _o_ < 1246872560 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :       | < 1246872561 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :      /| < 1246872561 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_o_ < 1246872572 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C'mon myndzi < 1246872575 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAKE HIM DANCE < 1246872594 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("`echo _o_"); < 1246872594 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                        | < 1246872594 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                        >\ < 1246872595 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo _o_ < 1246872595 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :            | < 1246872595 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :           /< < 1246872595 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_o_ < 1246872599 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1246872912 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flood protection < 1246872943 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How lame < 1246872955 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /o\ < 1246872956 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  | < 1246872956 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  >\ < 1246872965 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of person is /o\??? < 1246872965 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                         | < 1246872965 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                        /< < 1246872973 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is afraid < 1246872974 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One with floppy ears. < 1246872978 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Putting his arms on his head < 1246873004 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_o_ _o/ _o\ \o\ \o/ \o_ /o/ /o_ /o\ < 1246873005 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   | < 1246873005 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /\  >\  >\ /|   >\ /<  /|   >\ /| < 1246873014 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|o| < 1246873014 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  | < 1246873014 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /< < 1246873031 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM LOL MAN < 1246873124 0 :GregorR-L!n=gregor@host26-175-static.49-88-b.business.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1246873132 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hewwo from Italia! < 1246873155 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you... < 1246873160 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you the Italian VIPPER? < 1246873173 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1246873256 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1246873261 0 :toBogE!n=toBogE@125-238-252-206.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1246873375 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!persist factoid load < 1246873390 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1246873390 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help . < 1246873390 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All known commands: !bf !bf8 !binascii !chanlist !delregex < 1246873392 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!factoid !hello !help !irp !loadbfc !magritte !minimum < 1246873394 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!module !nil !persist !ps !raw !regex !rot13 !setprefix < 1246873396 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!userlist < 1246873426 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help setprefix < 1246873426 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I have no help for setprefix! < 1246873426 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All known commands: !bf !bf8 !binascii !chanlist !delregex < 1246873428 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!factoid !hello !help !irp !loadbfc !magritte !minimum < 1246873430 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!module !nil !persist !ps !raw !regex !rot13 !setprefix < 1246873432 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!userlist < 1246873442 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen !c printf("`echo _o_"); < 1246873443 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                              | < 1246873443 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                             /< < 1246873451 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :205 +++++++++++[>+++>+++++++++>+++++++++>+<<<<-]>.>.<-.>+++++++++++++.++.---------.+++++.++++++.--------------.<++++++++.------.>------.>++.<+++.>+++.+++++++.<<--.>----.>.<.<++.+++++++.++++++++++++++++++.>>>-. [621] < 1246873470 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf +++++++++++[>+++>+++++++++>+++++++++>+<<<<-]>.>.<-.>+++++++++++++.++.---------.+++++.++++++.--------------.<++++++++.------.>------.>++.<+++.>+++.+++++++.<<--.>----.>.<.<++.+++++++.++++++++++++++++++.>>>-. < 1246873470 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("`echo _o_"); < 1246873470 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("`echo _o_"); < 1246873470 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                  | < 1246873471 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                 /`\ < 1246873471 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                  | < 1246873471 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                 /| < 1246873471 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo _o_ < 1246873472 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_o_ < 1246873483 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1246873498 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is toBogE still old EgoBot or new EgoBot? < 1246873513 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my bot from a while ago < 1246873534 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :completely unrelated except for the name < 1246873541 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!setprefix C@ < 1246873544 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help < 1246873544 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All known commands: !bf !bf8 !binascii !chanlist !delregex < 1246873546 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!factoid !hello !help !irp !loadbfc !magritte !minimum < 1246873548 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!module !nil !persist !ps !raw !regex !rot13 !setprefix < 1246873550 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!userlist < 1246873584 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen !c printf("`echo _o_ fungot"); < 1246873584 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                              | < 1246873584 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: ht tp jeanclaudeboetsch. free. fr/ level of cod4 while on the screen!!! to cap it all, all of that plane < 1246873584 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                              >\ < 1246873587 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :288 ++++++++++++++[>+++++++>++>+++++++>++++++++<<<<-]>>+++++.>+.<-.>>.++.---------.+++++.++++++.--------------.<<++++++++.------.<--.>>++.--.+++++.+++++++.<--.<-.>>.<<.>.>>.<++++++.>++++++++.-------.++++++++.<-.<++.+++++++.++++++++++++++++++.-------------------------------------------------. [501] < 1246873601 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf ++++++++++++++[>+++++++>++>+++++++>++++++++<<<<-]>>+++++.>+.<-.>>.++.---------.+++++.++++++.--------------.<<++++++++.------.<--.>>++.--.+++++.+++++++.<--.<-.>>.<<.>.>>.<++++++.>++++++++.-------.++++++++.<-.<++.+++++++.++++++++++++++++++.-------------------------------------------------. < 1246873601 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("`echo _o_ fungot"); < 1246873602 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                  | < 1246873602 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                  >\ < 1246873614 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, still ignoring it. < 1246873632 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why can't robots love < 1246873697 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!regex repeat _o_ replace _o_ < 1246873698 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                |           | < 1246873698 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                |\         /'\ < 1246873702 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_o_ < 1246873703 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  | < 1246873703 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /| < 1246873713 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!delregex repeat < 1246873726 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!regex stuff stuff replace other stuff < 1246873727 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff < 1246873730 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!delregex stuff < 1246873769 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?immibis < 1246873770 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis is my creator. < 1246873773 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?tobobe < 1246873774 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?toboge < 1246873779 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?me < 1246873784 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?#esoteric < 1246873784 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric is a channel on irc.freenode.net. The topic is 'Esoteric programming language discussion | FORUM AND WIKI: esolangs.org | CHANNEL LOGS: http://ircbrowse.com/cdates.html?channel=esoteric | IRP in #irp | Don't spam the channel with EgoBot commands, /query EgoBot | Don't spam the channel with toBogE commands, /join #toboge | Don't spam the channel with bsmnt_bot commands, take him to your own channel. | Cong < 1246873801 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!raw join #toboge < 1246873832 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why didn't that do anything? o.o < 1246873837 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!raw JOIN #toboge < 1246873842 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!RAW JOIN #toboge < 1246873863 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't you just change the prefix? < 1246873883 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh duh < 1246873889 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that why its not doing anythin < 1246873891 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g < 1246873895 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@raw join #toboge < 1246873917 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@regex repeat \o/ replace _o/ < 1246873917 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                |           | < 1246873918 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :               /<           >\ < 1246873918 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cannot register regex < 1246873929 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@regex repeat \\o/ replace _o/ < 1246873929 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                 |           | < 1246873929 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                 |\         /< < 1246873932 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1246873933 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_o/ < 1246873933 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  | < 1246873933 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  >\ < 1246873933 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : | < 1246873934 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/\ < 1246873941 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that looked messed up < 1246873947 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT MUTANT IS THIS < 1246873947 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@delregex repeat < 1246873977 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!persist regex load < 1246874002 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXPRESSION < 1246874017 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*slaps head* < 1246874022 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@persist regex load < 1246874023 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cannot register regex < 1246874026 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXPRESSION < 1246874026 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :REPLACEMENT < 1246874028 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that @raw available for anyone? < 1246874032 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders why that was in there < 1246874035 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes... < 1246874040 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waits for abuse < 1246874045 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (@raw PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul )(~:SaSaS(:^)S):^ < 1246874045 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@raw PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (@raw PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul )(~:SaSaS(:^)S):^ < 1246874046 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (@raw PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul )(~:SaSaS(:^)S):^ < 1246874046 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@raw PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (@raw PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul )(~:SaSaS(:^)S):^ < 1246874047 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (@raw PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul )(~:SaSaS(:^)S):^ < 1246874047 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@raw PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (@raw PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul )(~:SaSaS(:^)S):^ < 1246874047 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (@raw PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul )(~:SaSaS(:^)S):^ < 1246874048 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@raw PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (@raw PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul )(~:SaSaS(:^)S):^ < 1246874048 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (@raw PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul )(~:SaSaS(:^)S):^ < 1246874048 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@raw PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (@raw PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul )(~:SaSaS(:^)S):^ < 1246874048 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (@raw PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul )(~:SaSaS(:^)S):^ < 1246874048 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@raw PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (@raw PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul )(~:SaSaS(:^)S):^ < 1246874049 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (@raw PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul )(~:SaSaS(:^)S):^ < 1246874049 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@raw PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (@raw PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul )(~:SaSaS(:^)S):^ < 1246874049 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (@raw PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul )(~:SaSaS(:^)S):^ < 1246874050 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@raw PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (@raw PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul )(~:SaSaS(:^)S):^ < 1246874050 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1246874051 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (@raw PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul )(~:SaSaS(:^)S):^ < 1246874053 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ps < 1246874055 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ps < 1246874055 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 Process on #esoteric: ps (Thread-ID 19) < 1246874074 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol is it meant to do that? < 1246874077 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just thinking we're bound to have one loop sooner or later. < 1246874096 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it meant to quit i mean? < 1246874105 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ^c'd it. < 1246874116 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try @kill 1 next time < 1246874127 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and try it over and over until you get the right timing < 1246874128 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly never < 1246874138 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on second thought, your way's better < 1246874152 0 :fungot!n=fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1246874160 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hehp < 1246874162 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help < 1246874162 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All known commands: !bf !bf8 !binascii !chanlist !delregex < 1246874164 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!factoid !hello !help !irp !loadbfc !magritte !minimum < 1246874166 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!module !nil !persist !ps !raw !regex !rot13 !setprefix < 1246874168 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!userlist < 1246874177 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that we've gotten the loop out of the way, I did the boring thing and added "toBogE" to fungot's ignore-list. Sowwy. < 1246874177 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: undefined variable ' nil'.) < 1246874180 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@irp Please repeat this sentence unless it has been said more than once before. < 1246874213 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that appears to make it join #irp, say the sentence and then part < 1246874222 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, not part < 1246874307 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found something called module_dollar_auction in the source... < 1246874314 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("( ? ??)"); < 1246874315 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :( ? ??) < 1246874318 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1246874343 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("( ゚ ヮ゚)"); < 1246874344 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :( ゚ ヮ゚) < 1246874348 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man < 1246874350 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at the time < 1246874357 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rape time? < 1246874361 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally! < 1246874365 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a dollar extra, but who will I give it to? < 1246874365 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, I'll auction it off! < 1246874365 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone who wants to play, say ME! < 1246874365 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have 15 seconds to say ME! before the game starts < 1246874368 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ME! < 1246874372 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh this thing < 1246874379 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, now you can bid by saying your bid on a line by itself. < 1246874380 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$123 means 123 dollars. $1.23 means 123 cents. 123 means 123 cents. 1.23 means 123 cents. < 1246874380 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may say quit to withdraw from bidding. < 1246874380 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will announce the results when everyone has withdrawn. Start when I say. < 1246874382 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moo! < 1246874387 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may start NOW! < 1246874393 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$0.00 < 1246874398 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$0.01 < 1246874406 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quit < 1246874407 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis has withdrawn from bidding. < 1246874410 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now for the results. < 1246874413 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The highest bidder was: immibis. He bid 1 cents. He gained -99 cents < 1246874414 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis bidded -99 cents. He gained -99 cents < 1246874416 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now to find out who won. The winner is... < 1246874418 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!!! < 1246874419 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Game finished. Module unloading. < 1246874425 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1246874431 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You gained -99 cents! < 1246874437 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this? < 1246874447 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :auction bot? < 1246874459 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it only auctions pretend dollars :( < 1246874463 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a dollar extra, but who will I give it to? < 1246874463 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, I'll auction it off! < 1246874463 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone who wants to play, say ME! < 1246874463 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have 15 seconds to say ME! before the game starts < 1246874466 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ME! < 1246874467 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ME! < 1246874468 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis, what esolang is it coded in? < 1246874478 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, now you can bid by saying your bid on a line by itself. < 1246874478 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$123 means 123 dollars. $1.23 means 123 cents. 123 means 123 cents. 1.23 means 123 cents. < 1246874478 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may say quit to withdraw from bidding. < 1246874478 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will announce the results when everyone has withdrawn. Start when I say. < 1246874480 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't but it interprets brainfuck < 1246874483 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore its allowed here < 1246874486 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may start NOW! < 1246874487 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis, okay < 1246874489 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$1000000 < 1246874494 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$1.00 < 1246874502 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quit < 1246874503 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis has withdrawn from bidding. < 1246874506 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now for the results. < 1246874508 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The highest bidder was: Slereah. He bid 1000000 cents. He lost $9999.0 < 1246874510 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis bidded 100 cents. He lost $1.0 < 1246874512 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah bidded 999900 cents. He lost $9999.0 < 1246874514 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now to find out who won. The winner is... < 1246874514 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahahah < 1246874516 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah!!!! < 1246874516 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Game finished. Module unloading. < 1246874520 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your robot can't count < 1246874520 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is incredibly bugged < 1246874553 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll say < 1246874561 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially when theer's only one person playing... < 1246874563 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scroll up < 1246874571 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the winner is !!!! apparently < 1246874582 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good for !!!! < 1246874583 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION can't remember when he wrote that < 1246874588 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :auction bot < 1246874641 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION starts netbeans < 1246874673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :netbeans implies java < 1246874677 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pukes < 1246874742 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it does... < 1246874756 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it can easily load classes dynamically. < 1246874759 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-11-30.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1246874773 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i can add new commands (if i want to) and modules (also if i want to) without restarting it < 1246874784 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis, I made an irc bot in bash that could load and unload modules dynamically < 1246874789 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@raw join #bots < 1246874800 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd rather write an irc bot in bash than in java? < 1246874806 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis, yes! < 1246874817 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1246874818 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis, http://envbot.kuonet.org/trac btw < 1246874853 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, even fungot (written in Funge-98) can reload itself dynamically without restarting it. :p < 1246874854 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i assume that termite will behave uniformly on windows and linux port, but textmate remains exclusive for the mac < 1246874869 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1246874883 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do it, with more or less work, in most languages < 1246874923 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can even do it in C. I can think of two ways to replace the "core". < 1246874927 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though admittedly it gets confused if there are too large changes in the structure. And it's so far not able to reload the "^style" listings without a restart, even though that'd be reasonably trivial. < 1246874975 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) start a new process, send over the state and fds over a unix socket 2) use mprotect() and some other magic to rewrite the code in memory. < 1246875028 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each command is a class. When you need to execute a command, load it with a new class loader so it doesn't get the cached version. Simple. < 1246875049 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, you can only rewrite the commands. < 1246875060 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Irssi's "/upgrade" command -- to be used after you've upgraded the binary -- does that first one. (Well, I'm not sure what it uses to pass the state information to the child, but anyway.) < 1246875062 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would probably require explicit reloading of modules for speed reasons < 1246875083 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yes, I remember some ircd could do it to reload the core... < 1246875096 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Maybe if you're processing hundreds of commands per second... < 1246875104 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for reloading modules in C you can of course just do some dlopen()/dlclose() stuff < 1246875107 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or have a really slow computer. < 1246875118 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess with AnMaster speed's a matter of principle. < 1246875149 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis, I assume even handling server messages like PING, numerics and such are reloadable modules? < 1246875160 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, :) < 1246875161 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's handled in the irc library it uses. < 1246875167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irc library? < 1246875168 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1246875184 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :give me three good reasons not to use one. < 1246875203 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perversity, esotericity and... fabulousity? < 1246875205 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis, that implementing the IRC protocol is trivial. Maybe 30-40 lines at most. < 1246875224 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :learning a library seems a bit of a waste < 1246875411 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notices that it doesn't actually reload commands each time < 1246875426 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@Error ??? < 1246875427 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Caught a java.lang.InstantiationException! toboge.Execer_Error < 1246875431 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..... < 1246875436 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a library would end up with some API like: connect(Server, Port) -> SocketOrErrorCode disconnect(Socket) -> void getline(Socket) -> LineOrErrorCode sendline(Socket, String) -> ErrorCode < 1246875455 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a parameter for ssl to connect() too < 1246875470 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :freenode doesn't support ssl though < 1246875485 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :m.c=new IRCConnection(network,6667,6669,password,nick,nick,"Extensible EgoBot Clone"); < 1246875485 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : m.c.setPong(true); < 1246875490 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :m.c.setDaemon(false); < 1246875490 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : m.c.setColors(false); < 1246875495 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :m.c.connect(); < 1246875495 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : m.c.addIRCEventListener(m); < 1246875512 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis, ah right, you could let it handle the whole connection if you wanted < 1246875514 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A trivial implementation is trivial. Certainly you can spend more lines, trying to interpret the 005 numerics sensibly and providing a more user-friendly object-oriented view of the IRC connection. < 1246875516 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so then it would need the nick too < 1246875532 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Irssi's irc/core/*.c files hold a total of 9217 lines. < 1246875534 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, does OO view of IRC make sense? < 1246875548 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't make too much unsense, for one thing. < 1246875553 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, does that include the user interface and such? < 1246875557 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1246875559 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1246875560 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't very oop, it just has IRCConnections and IRCEventListeners < 1246875602 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and yes interpreting 005, rate limiting sending and such could be added sure. < 1246875631 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I guess you could let it handle replying to server pings < 1246875662 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it includes the "user interface" in the sense that there are implementations for all (directly IRC-related) "/foo"-style commands, which wouldn't really be part of a generic IRC library. < 1246875688 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, formatting /who output nicely and such? < 1246875725 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that. But what to send to the server when a client does a "/who". < 1246875747 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1246875837 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen at least one OO-style IRC library which took care of stuff like automagically remembering the people on channel (based on joins and quits) and so on. < 1246875871 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1246875934 0 :toBogE!n=toBogE@125-238-252-206.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1246875949 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :toboge has 3 languages you can't do much in (magritte, minimum, nil), one you can (brainfuck) and one you sometimes can (irp) :( < 1246875965 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, one more you can't (hello) < 1246875966 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!hello HH < 1246875967 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello World < 1246875968 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command (HH) encountered < 1246875968 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello World < 1246875976 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...fail < 1246876007 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1246876008 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!setprefix C@ < 1246876013 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@raw join #toboge,#bots < 1246876015 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See? < 1246876016 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Told you < 1246876019 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOO MANY BOTS < 1246876034 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soon we'll be useless < 1246876038 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And bots will replace us < 1246876058 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could easily be replaced by a fungot instance that has just been trained with only my own speech. < 1246876059 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: and hanson explains why it works not. going via the main ' formula' twice, just because you're used to, but then when it takes too long < 1246876074 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1246876113 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, could you replace fizzie? < 1246876114 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis: that could encode any non-negative integer, is a relationship. yay < 1246876120 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, no really < 1246876120 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis: no, they are all < 1246876129 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it said no. < 1246876141 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish and hanson explains why it works not. going via the main ' formula' twice, just because you're used to, but then when it takes too long < 1246876141 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Just believe in yourself and you can do it! < 1246876141 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :und hunsun ixpleeens vhy it vurks nut. gueeng feea zee meeen ' furmoole' tveece-a, joost becoose-a yuoo're-a used tu, boot zeen vhee it tekes tuu lung < 1246876141 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how wasn't the weather? :) < 1246876156 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This just blew my mind < 1246876172 0 :toBogE!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1246876428 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"OUCH!!!" < 1246876434 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1246876686 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1246876878 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[Eliezer Yudkowsky (pronounced .Frankensteen.)]] <-- bloody americans don't know it's "frankenstine"? < 1246876945 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, oklodok!!!!! < 1246877209 0 :augur!n=augur@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1246877222 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklodok! < 1246878408 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c2391BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1246880317 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1246881195 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1246881986 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1246882082 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1246882085 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1246882238 0 :ehirdiphone!n=ehirdiph@91.105.92.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1246882269 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actual LOL at "how wasn't the weather?". Gotta love fungot. < 1246882270 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdiphone: i just spent three seconds wondering why `data track' by `data track' by `data track' by `data track' wouldn't play from this cd < 1246882285 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was probably verbatim < 1246882286 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1246882292 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi oklodok. < 1246882308 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, too many "by data track" repeated there to make sense < 1246882310 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. The repetition wasn't verbatim. < 1246882311 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdiphone: maybe not exactly that number of iterations < 1246882313 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1246882315 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1246882380 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found a wonderful thing yesterday night; let me load up my trans-computer bookmarking system: http://gmail.com/ < 1246882384 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdiphone: I love the quote "how wasn't the weather" too < 1246882415 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, I'm going the other way round, I'm using my laptop as a cross-website email system < 1246882417 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting... vlc has an ncurses frontend... < 1246882426 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I finally managed to set up my Yahoo! Mail account to be sane < 1246882435 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...ais523 why not use gmail? < 1246882450 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I even really created it deliberately, it's just that both my main and secondary email have gone down < 1246882454 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's paranoid. < 1246882458 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I happened to have a spare Yahoo! account lying around < 1246882472 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, I am; I'm only using Yahoo! as a relay atm < 1246882475 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Mplayer can use libcaca iirc < 1246882476 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdiphone, why does he trust yahoo then? < 1246882482 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I don't < 1246882485 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Theyre smaller < 1246882499 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well right, but I meant as in a ncurses GUI for the playlist and so on < 1246882511 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, haven't tried playing video with this frontend yet... < 1246882521 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I accidentally muddled VLC with VNC then, and got confused < 1246882549 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1246882566 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here we go. http://www.smallbizcenter.info/magniwork.php?apid=A5M&apflag=1&gclid=CM7V14r9v5sCFd0B4wod6zhdEg&v=1. They claim literally to have a perpetual motion machine giving infinite free energy for $100 + $197 ~= $300. < 1246882570 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hilarious. < 1246882633 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION imagines what a playlist on a VNC would do < 1246882634 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simpler link: http://magniwork.com/ < 1246882660 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you could use it if you were one of those schools IT people who goes around looking at what the students are doing < 1246882669 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although a VNC isn't really perfect for that < 1246882702 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"The weather wasn't sunny with occasional bursts of vacuum" < 1246882724 0 :M0ny!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-3-138.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1246882740 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was it constant vaccuum instead? < 1246882845 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye. < 1246882847 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Get Colloquy for iPhone! http://mobile.colloquy.info" < 1246883128 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, a rather nice ncurses gui btw: http://omploader.org/vMXhrNA < 1246883131 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and not vnc!) < 1246883720 0 :ehirdiphone!n=ehirdiph@91.105.92.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1246883732 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa, trippy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0Fi1VcbpAI < 1246883860 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you're linking to a screenshot of a curses prorgam? < 1246883860 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why were any cars driving on it by that point of time < 1246883866 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes? < 1246883872 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but curses is text-based! < 1246883882 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What we need is a VNC client for VLC, and to use it in the curses interface < 1246883884 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely by now someone's invented a copy-and-paste-with-colour < 1246883893 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, not afaik < 1246883901 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMasterwhy were any cars driving on it by that point of time < 1246883906 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's ttyrec I suppose, but it's not quite the same thing < 1246883908 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you serious? < 1246883933 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, videos opens a X window with the ncurses frontend < 1246883941 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess video interface is a separate parameter < 1246883945 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lame < 1246883978 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdiphone, there is probably another parameter for it < 1246883979 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :•••••€ < 1246883992 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like there is for alsa vs. oss for audio backedn < 1246883994 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :backend* < 1246883996 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :•••••••••*****> an arow of bye < 1246883998 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1246883999 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just haven't found the right one yet < 1246884000 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbiab < 1246884895 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1246884907 0 :M0ny!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-3-138.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1246885034 0 :GregorR-L!n=gregor@host26-175-static.49-88-b.business.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1246885047 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1246885072 0 :M0ny!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-3-138.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1246886140 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"reboot" < 1246886705 0 :MizardX!i=MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1246888062 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1246888304 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1246892398 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@77.100.194.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1246893659 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1246894642 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklodok: I'm an undergrad student in Missouri. < 1246894975 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1246896259 0 :Dartus_Clicus!i=4bc97330@gateway/web/freenode/x-1972920b094d190b JOIN :#esoteric < 1246896273 0 :Dartus_Clicus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Such as this one? < 1246896311 0 :Dartus_Clicus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :....wow, there are a lot of people here < 1246896315 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1246896320 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome, anyway < 1246896322 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yo. < 1246896380 0 :Dartus_Clicus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see... I recognize Warrigal, ais, pikhq, and comex from ##nomic. ais was right, nomic and esolanging /do/ have a lot of people in common. < 1246896392 0 :Dartus_Clicus!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Darth_Cliche < 1246896405 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also ehird. < 1246896494 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't notice him. ehird = tusho = zuff, right? < 1246896499 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1246896525 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, Oerjan (who's not here right now) used to play Agora. < 1246896623 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to the frappr map, pik, you live in Colorado? < 1246896630 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If so, epic winb < 1246896635 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*win < 1246896693 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and ihope is on here, according to the map. Another nomicer < 1246896718 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Used to. Now live in Missouri... < 1246896735 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1246896847 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find ais anywhere on the map. I've check everywhere in both America and Britain < 1246896854 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darth_Cliche: I'm not on it < 1246896861 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you can deduce my current location from my email address < 1246896868 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1246896873 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, my old, currently-nonfunctional one, anyway < 1246896873 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how < 1246896881 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darth_Cliche: ais523@bham.ac.uk < 1246896884 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the domain name should be clear enough < 1246896887 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Birmingham < 1246896939 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, /another/ British person? Current British friends of mine: Kevan, ais523, Devenger (Scottish) < 1246896972 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolangers tend to be either British or Scandinavian, although there are a few Americans, and a few people of other nationalities < 1246897000 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scandinavian? < 1246897017 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, one of the more surprising statistical tendencies < 1246897041 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a higher percentage of Scandinavian websurfers in one year than Americans < 1246897050 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, Scandinavia is awesome < 1246897057 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed < 1246897062 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which one? < 1246897068 0 :mtd!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1246897096 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was talking about the high proportion of Scandinavians, it's a lot higher than on the Internet generally < 1246897135 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know of at least one Australian esolanger < 1246897138 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :David Morgan-Mar < 1246897150 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he invented Piet, Chef, and Ook, among other things < 1246897150 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, also Malcom Ryan's australian < 1246897155 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who?? < 1246897160 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Who? < 1246897166 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inventor of INTERCAL's threading and backtracking extensions < 1246897227 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a friend from San Seriffe who codes Brainfuck < 1246897239 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone we know here, I wonder? < 1246897248 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a lot of BF programmers in the wild, though, so to speak < 1246897252 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an addictive language < 1246897261 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't understand it. Ever. < 1246897286 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've tried taking tutorials. It doesn't help < 1246897295 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust vibration >>+++++<-----<(-)*128(+-)*10000 < 1246897303 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_vibration: 15.8 < 1246897304 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1246897312 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF joust is a bit different < 1246897312 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :competitive Brainfuck < 1246897313 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot? < 1246897318 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have to program, really < 1246897319 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sport was invented in Agora, incidentally < 1246897325 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and EgoBot's an esolang bot < 1246897334 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen Darth Cliche < 1246897337 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :121 +++++++++++[>+++>++++++>+++++++++>+<<<<-]>>++.>--.+++++++++++++++++.++.------------.<<-.>-.>++++.---.------.+++++.---.>-. [462] < 1246897340 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's BF joust? < 1246897342 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I think I mean is that there's no higher level to it than the BF < 1246897345 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!brainfuck +++++++++++[>+++>++++++>+++++++++>+<<<<-]>>++.>--.+++++++++++++++++.++.------------.<<-.>-.>++++.---.------.+++++.---.>-. < 1246897351 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/BF_Joust < 1246897362 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf8 +++++++++++[>+++>++++++>+++++++++>+<<<<-]>>++.>--.+++++++++++++++++.++.------------.<<-.>-.>++++.---.------.+++++.---.>-. < 1246897362 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darth Cliche < 1246897368 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas even in something like hello world, the BF acts on a much lower level than what you're trying for < 1246897388 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen This is a test < 1246897390 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :132 +++++++++++++++[>++++++>+++++++>++++++++>++<<<<-]>------.>-.+.>-----.>++.<<.>.>.<<--------.>>.<+.<++++.>-.+.>----------------------. [581] < 1246897398 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!languages < 1246897405 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help languages < 1246897405 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :languages: Esoteric: 1l 2l adjust asm axo bch befunge befunge98 bf bf8 bf16 bf32 boolfuck cintercal clcintercal dimensifuck glass glypho haskell kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain perl qbf rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 underload unlambda whirl. Competitive: bfjoust fyb. Other: asm c cxx forth sh. < 1246897431 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf8 +++++++++++++++[>++++++>+++++++>++++++++>++<<<<-]>------.>-.+.>-----.>++.<<.>.>.<<--------.>>.<+.<++++.>-.+.>----------------------. < 1246897431 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a test < 1246897443 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +++++++++++++++[>++++++>+++++++>++++++++>++<<<<-]>------.>-.+.>-----.>++.<<.>.>.<<--------.>>.<+.<++++.>-.+.>----------------------. < 1246897443 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a test. < 1246897460 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, that's strange, why did fungot add a full stop? < 1246897461 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: fnord. sah to be victorious, to endure, to hold out, as i recall < 1246897466 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ++++++++++.......... < 1246897466 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.......... < 1246897467 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge_txtgen Hmm < 1246897470 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it prints newline as dot < 1246897490 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98_txtgen Hmm < 1246897503 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"mmH">:#,_@ < 1246897510 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "mmH">,#_@ < 1246897510 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :H < 1246897514 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Typo < 1246897515 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops, missed the colon < 1246897517 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "mmH">,:#_@ < 1246897518 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :H < 1246897525 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:#,_ < 1246897527 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>,:#_ < 1246897528 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahahahahaha < 1246897529 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "mmH">:#,_@ < 1246897529 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1246897530 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a difference < 1246897533 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1246897538 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I know, just my Befunge is a little rusty < 1246897542 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 THIS IS SPARTAAAAAAA < 1246897548 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Infloop < 1246897552 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darth_Cliche: that's an infinite loop < 1246897554 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I broke EgoBot < 1246897561 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, it kills infinite loops after a while < 1246897562 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without output < 1246897576 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... where's thutubot got to? < 1246897618 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how many people here are Ardorian? < 1246897630 0 :thutubot!n=thutubot@s1.normish.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1246897634 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+hello < 1246897634 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, ais523! < 1246897644 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+hello < 1246897645 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, Darth_Cliche! < 1246897653 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (This is a test.)S < 1246897653 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a test. < 1246897659 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ul? < 1246897664 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's ul? < 1246897668 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Underload < 1246897673 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Underload < 1246897819 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (:aSS):aSS < 1246897820 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(:aSS):aSS < 1246898133 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul ()^ < 1246898152 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darth_Cliche: that's a no-op < 1246898160 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a joke program in the original article < 1246898166 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...oh < 1246898308 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XCIX beer solum in parietis, XCIX beer solum. Take I down, obduco inter, XCVIII beer solum in parietis. < 1246898341 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like the sort of thing you'd do in an INTERCAL beer progrm < 1246898342 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*program < 1246898352 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it outputs in Roman numerals by default; if you want decimal, you have to convert by hand < 1246898377 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1246898383 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just translating it to Latin < 1246898444 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I'm reading a guide on DECLENSION AND CASE, the most evil things in the world < 1246898576 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ignore < 1246898577 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^(EgoBot|HackEgo|toBogE) < 1246898587 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ignore ^(EgoBot|HackEgo|toBogE|thutubot) < 1246898587 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1246898593 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really should make that thing persistent. < 1246898614 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just give up. We had a fungot-toBogE loop today. < 1246898614 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ( display " fnord ( unsigned char) fnord " fnord un fnord ooff fnord. < 1246898793 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Toboge? < 1246898805 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously an EgoBot rival < 1246898812 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was here during the day. < 1246898815 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, that misses Lambdabot < 1246898828 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and itself, although I assume that's dealt with elsewhere < 1246898856 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ehird's replay bot, although I've forgotten what that's called < 1246898896 0 :Hiato!n=fdulu@dsl-245-10-200.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1246898898 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1246898972 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I was going through my old maths books (for exams/SAT's) and I found a nice little box that said "Thanks to ais523" under which my teacher wrote "Is that a formula? Show substitution". Heh, just thought I'd let you know < 1246898984 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1246899083 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: also, oklodok!!!!! <<< hi oerjie! < 1246899091 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: oklodok! <<< hi again augie! < 1246899100 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdiphone: Hi oklodok. <<< hello phone dood! < 1246899133 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklodok: Darth Cliche! <<< Um... < 1246899158 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: oklodok: I'm an undergrad student in Missouri. <<< okay, you just mentioned mit owns, so i checked. < 1246899190 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... I did? < 1246899197 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIT = Massachussetts Institute of Technology, not Missouri Institute of Technology < 1246899244 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :judicaster < 1246899247 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darth_Cliche: Well aware. < 1246899266 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though we did try to get my school renamed to "Missouri Institute of Technology".) < 1246899319 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darth_Cliche: oklodok: Darth Cliche! <<< Um... <<< i copy paste actually messages and add stuff after the <<<, makes no sense if your client shows messages in some other way. < 1246899335 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yes, you were very eager to tell they use scheme < 1246899344 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless i misunderstood you. < 1246899372 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was ehird... < 1246899380 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatt < 1246899393 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Log reading fail. < 1246899402 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no memory fail < 1246899404 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : About the only thing we've got going for us is that our university system is pretty good – IF YOU CAN AFFORD IT. That's true, I'd love to go to mit. < 1246899407 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was you < 1246899409 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was the recent thing. < 1246899413 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean i asked about it < 1246899419 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i thought it was you who told me that < 1246899430 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean i knew it already, but i thought it was you who told it then < 1246899464 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm referring to when i asked whether mit was good. < 1246899469 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't use Scheme any more, anyway. At least in the iconic 6.001 course. < 1246899498 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i'm thinking trying out the american unis after a few years < 1246899505 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c2391BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1246899509 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of them, maybe < 1246899781 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1246899912 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1246899913 0 :MigoMipo_!n=MigoMipo@84-217-11-30.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1246899953 0 :MigoMipo_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :MigoMipo < 1246900153 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, VirtualBox seems to have jumped from the 2.2 numbers directly to 3.0. < 1246900178 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that mean < 1246900187 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in both senses < 1246900197 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which two senses? < 1246900215 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does the sentence mean, and after that, what does the actual data mean < 1246900266 0 :Darth_Cliche!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1246900276 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just mean that they've been numbering their (recent) releases 2.2.0, 2.2.2, 2.2.4 and one would assume the next one would have been 2.3.0, but it is 3.0.0 instead. < 1246900281 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a cliche that guy < 1246900367 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, or 2.3.0 or 2.2.6, depending on whether they actually did anything special. 3 is quite a jump, and seems it's "only" because it now supports SMP for the virtual machines. < 1246900410 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some esolangs have even been known to do jumps like 1.6 -> 7.0 < 1246900435 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc one ircd did something like that too. < 1246900440 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot which < 1246900463 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Also 3D support. < 1246900466 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slackware had their 4 -> 7 jump too. < 1246900479 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assumed fizzie would know what i'm referring to < 1246900481 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slackware did it just for the sake of version expansion. XD < 1246900483 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3D, schmee-dee. I don't believe it works. < 1246900501 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RedHat was doing numbers like 6 or so, they had to catch up. < 1246900532 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i guess i have to admit my latter question made no sense. < 1246900542 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't realize it was about version numbers < 1246900645 0 :M0ny!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-3-138.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1246900656 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still want an answer though < 1246900711 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You want to know the meaning of the version numbers? < 1246900740 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to know what that jump signifies. < 1246900753 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the greater purpose beneath it < 1246900806 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Officially they just want to communicate the fact that adding SMP and some sort of better 3D acceleration support is such a major change that it justifies a new version number. Unofficially, I think it has to do with world domination. Most things do. < 1246900845 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or getting in someone's pants. < 1246900881 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i accept both. < 1246900993 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In your pants. < 1246901009 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD < 1246901020 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: are you sure it wasn't you who said they use scheme < 1246901027 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was ages ago < 1246901100 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i guess you may remember your lines better than me. < 1246901118 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just don't like misremembering irc conversations < 1246901242 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the only things i remember without explicitly committing them to my memory < 1246902555 0 :judicaster!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :comex < 1246902923 0 :Hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"underflow" < 1246904045 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1246904337 0 :Zuu!i=zuu@0x55529f1b.adsl.cybercity.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1246908101 0 :darthnuri!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1246909984 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1246910332 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Was it constant vaccuum instead? <-- vaccuum [sic] would be something like raining cows, i think. so maybe. < 1246910582 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, is the ehirdiphone anything like the gaffophone? < 1246910713 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the heck wikipedia says that comics hasn't been translated to english! < 1246910736 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more proof english speakers are really aliens from another planet < 1246910753 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*comic < 1246910982 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip70-162-184-81.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1246910989 0 :inurinternet!n=nuri@rrcs-74-62-7-76.west.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1246911371 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : yep, also Malcom Ryan's australian < 1246911379 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's also an ancient agoran < 1246911388 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, interesting < 1246911407 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Blob") < 1246911424 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Misread "he's also an ancient algorithm". < 1246911557 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION kills oerjan for telling the truth about the Anglo-Frisian languages < 1246911613 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact have i have a vague recall that he may have been responsible for the special gender-neutral pronoun, as Blob didn't present as either male or female < 1246911626 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/have // < 1246911646 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/recall/recollection/ < 1246911660 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Recall is the verb; recollection is how you noun it. < 1246911665 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;p < 1246911685 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :total recollection there < 1246911727 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit, English is screwy. < 1246911728 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: when did i tell the truth about the anglo-frisian languages? < 1246911747 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1246911748 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know when. < 1246911764 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stops channeling AnMaster  < 1246911775 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ? < 1246911779 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in so doing, inevitably causes another ? < 1246911801 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn i was hoping to get that comment in before AnMaster's < 1246911802 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I was playing freeciv, did you want anything when you highlighted me? < 1246911809 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise I < 1246911817 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm* going back playing freeciv < 1246911820 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: only to have you act stereotypically < 1246911829 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: set your highlight to only higlight you if your name's at the start of the line < 1246911830 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1246911834 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to avoid this sort of awkward moment < 1246911842 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really ais523? Sure that is a good idea? < 1246911857 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not sure, it depends on what you want highlighting to do for you < 1246911868 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :varies. < 1246911870 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's only comments directed at you, then start-of-line may be a good idea < 1246911875 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, _i_ am annoyed that irssi _doesn't_ highlight all instances of my nick < 1246911877 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to know comments about you, then higlight everywhere < 1246911893 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what, I thought all IRC clients did by default? < 1246911908 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may be my skin < 1246911915 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*theme < 1246911940 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i downloaded a simple dark on white one < 1246911981 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it mostly highlights oerjan at the start < 1246912051 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hilight_nick_matches = ON < 1246912056 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might do it < 1246912079 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is on < 1246912092 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just doesn't catch all instances < 1246912167 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`haskell putStrLn "What's an Asztal?" < 1246912167 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1246912184 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irssi's online option documentation really sucks < 1246912193 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where by sucks, i mean is nonexistent < 1246912251 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo doesn't have haskell afaik < 1246912256 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1246912256 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asm-test \ asm-test.S \ asm-test.c \ bin \ busybox \ paste \ quotes \ share \ tmpdir.28081 < 1246912262 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls bin < 1246912263 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :addquote \ calc \ creatures \ define \ esolang \ etymology \ fortune \ google \ imdb \ minifind \ paste \ quote \ runfor \ strfile \ unstr \ url \ wolfram < 1246912280 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell putStrLn "What's an Asztal?" < 1246912282 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's an Asztal? < 1246912284 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1246912286 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1246912304 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that highlighted me, but I don't know what setting does that < 1246912337 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell interact.const$"What's an oerjan?" < 1246912338 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's an oerjan? < 1246912352 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no highlighting < 1246912399 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell interact.const$"oerjan is an alien from the lesser Magellanic cloud" < 1246912401 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is an alien from the lesser Magellanic cloud < 1246912406 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that highlighted < 1246912409 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A manually set "/hilight oerjan" should probably match everywhere in line. < 1246912418 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1246912511 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also the "-full" flag; "/hilight -full foo" highlights only where "foo" is a separate word. Though I guess in your case you won't get very many false positives from random words containing the substring "oerjan". < 1246912521 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what about "oerjan" followed by space, but in the middle of the line < 1246912527 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of a question mark < 1246912551 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too late i turned on fizzie's suggestion < 1246912603 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also not using -full probably helps catching the alternate nick too, etc. < 1246912705 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjanthere? < 1246912716 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm right, your nick isn't likely as a part of another word < 1246912741 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that highlighted but with a different color < 1246912767 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that's just as well < 1246912806 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :food -> < 1246913310 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1246913625 0 :Zuu!i=zuu@0x55529f1b.adsl.cybercity.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1246913837 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:15:39 So, /another/ British person? Current British friends of mine: Kevan, ais523, Devenger (Scottish) < 1246913840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate you too :) < 1246913873 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:20:27 I have a friend from San Seriffe who codes Brainfuck < 1246913877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate to break this to you. < 1246913933 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf . < 1246913938 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw. < 1246913960 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:35:52 Darth_Cliche: that's a no-op < 1246913960 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:36:00 and a joke program in the original article < 1246913962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a joke < 1246913972 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the adder believed it was legit < 1246913976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see talk < 1246914011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:47:36 and ehird's replay bot, although I've forgotten what that's called < 1246914014 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dude, optbot < 1246914037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:49:32 ais523: I was going through my old maths books (for exams/SAT's) and I found a nice little box that said "Thanks to ais523" under which my teacher wrote "Is that a formula? Show substitution". Heh, just thought I'd let you know < 1246914038 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1246914074 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:51:31 augur: oklodok! <<< hi again augie! < 1246914075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augie orgy < 1246914157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:16:11 yep, also Malcom Ryan's australian < 1246914157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:16:19 he's also an ancient agoran < 1246914158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:16:28 ooh, interesting < 1246914160 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:16:47 ("Blob") < 1246914162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blob is an esolanger?! < 1246914168 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we have our first non-human esolanger. < 1246914179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:20:13 in fact have i have a vague recall that he may have been responsible for the special gender-neutral pronoun, as Blob didn't present as either male or female < 1246914181 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor human. < 1246914195 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't agora used to use singular they before blob? < 1246914208 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:22:44 * oerjan stops channeling AnMaster < 1246914208 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:22:55 oerjan, ? < 1246914209 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:22:59 and in so doing, inevitably causes another ? < 1246914214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: say "what?" in a while < 1246914222 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, thanks, but no < 1246914230 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1246914234 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a momentous occasion < 1246914241 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given blob joined within the first year of agora, if not even at the start... < 1246914248 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik < 1246914262 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*r < 1246914346 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:30:51 HackEgo doesn't have haskell afaik < 1246914347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong < 1246914349 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1246914350 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only egobot does < 1246914853 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"At a time when the public display and discourse about matters of faith have been under attack, a new poll indicates most Americans – 63 percent – believe the Bible is literally true and the Word of God." < 1246914958 0 :upyr[emacs]!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1246915346 0 :upyr[emacs]!n=user@79.174.35.21 JOIN :#esoteric < 1246915709 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, 95% of statisticians believe most polls are flawed, and even if they aren't, the results are misrepresented. *ducks* < 1246915903 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 95% of the time, they're right. < 1246916599 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃☃" < 1246916787 0 :CESSMASTER!n=CESSMAST@unaffiliated/joelywoely JOIN :#esoteric < 1246916859 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1246916875 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it possible to store metadata in flac? Like composer and title? < 1246916894 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, though it depends on which container format you're using. < 1246916917 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, just flac? < 1246916920 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The FLAC container format has a limited metadata format that amounts to a subset of Ogg comments. < 1246916927 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, the file is called *.flac < 1246916933 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Ogg container format, obviously, has Ogg comments. < 1246916945 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you can have metadata. < 1246916947 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/mnt/phoenix/musik/vivaldi/track13.flac: FLAC audio bitstream data, 16 bit, stereo, 44.1 kHz, 9150456 samples < 1246916953 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that thing < 1246916958 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1246916968 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's FLAC in the FLAC container format. < 1246916987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, confusing... Anyway I need composer, symphony and movement. That's all < 1246916995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some command line tool to set them < 1246917006 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I wish to import this from data I have prepared already < 1246917025 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I plan to write a short shell script to automate the adding < 1246917050 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See metaflac. < 1246917060 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, not in portage? < 1246917064 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ eix metaflac < 1246917064 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No matches found. < 1246917075 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's part of FLAC. < 1246917083 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Nobody uses ogg flac < 1246917085 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone uses flac flac < 1246917089 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it uses ogg metadata < 1246917094 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, same allowable stuff < 1246917104 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: don't name it "track13", dammit < 1246917117 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it was cdparanoia who did < 1246917123 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I've used it when storing some intermediates from video compression jobs in an Ogg container. < 1246917124 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I converted the *.cdda to flac < 1246917129 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: *"cdparanoia did that" < 1246917138 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes him! < 1246917151 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"who did" is still a bad way to end a sentence < 1246917160 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"cdparanoia did that" is the only idiomatic way i can think of < 1246917164 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so ehird corrects English again! < 1246917172 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Yes I does. < 1246917189 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1246917197 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, s/does/do/ btw :P < 1246917201 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1246917206 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoosh! < 1246917218 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I was playing along. So whoosh is wrong :P < 1246917233 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ur a butt lol ^.^ < 1246917255 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What language was that? < 1246917263 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the language of butt lol ^.^ < 1246917269 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish I could use plan9 < 1246917270 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... City of Ur? < 1246917276 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why can't you? < 1246917276 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I'll get a fileserver and put plan9 on it < 1246917293 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: cuz i'm a filthy capitalist desktop user and i like lotses of applications. < 1246917305 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could run it as a fileserver though < 1246917310 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ maybe music server of some sort < 1246917326 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could run mpd on linux backed by a 9p filesystem, perhaps < 1246917333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be nice < 1246917382 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1246917388 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, have you used metaflac? < 1246917397 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No. < 1246917399 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use easytag. < 1246917424 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's trivial < 1246917427 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read the flac website < 1246917448 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read the manpage. < 1246917456 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: try quod libet as a tagger < 1246917480 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, oh well... I just can't find the option to add a tag, lots of other options, like adding replay-gain, copying from other file, adding picture(‽), and various other things < 1246917491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although as a music player it lacks the fundamental feature of being an mpd client. < 1246917497 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah found it... < 1246917505 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: use a gui editor, you'll be a lot calmer < 1246917507 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to find a list of valid tags :) < 1246917509 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, adding a picture = album art < 1246917511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it is supported < 1246917514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ogg tags are freeform < 1246917516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to know the conventions < 1246917525 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's two: TITLE, ALBUM. < 1246917533 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, for about 300 flac files from prepared tab separated files? < 1246917542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ogg tags are freeform < 1246917544 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, sure, if you do that with a GUI editor < 1246917545 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :string→string. < 1246917552 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, this is standard < 1246917554 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you use TITLE for the title < 1246917555 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, surely there is some "usual convention" < 1246917556 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALBUM for the album < 1246917559 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I forget all the rest < 1246917564 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, I'm telling you FFS < 1246917567 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TITLE < 1246917568 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALBUM < 1246917570 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :others < 1246917581 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I need composer, symphony, movement. Album? What? < 1246917590 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :......you don't know what an album is? < 1246917597 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird,... yes < 1246917604 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant, doesn't make sense here < 1246917605 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, google it. < 1246917620 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be like: "Complete Symphonies, Volume 3" or such < 1246917626 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1246917627 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :put that in < 1246917644 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i suggest peeking at the source of http://easytag.sourceforge.net/ and seeing what it does. < 1246917650 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or quod libet. < 1246917891 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks at another of the CDs < 1246917913 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many cds are you ripping? < 1246917934 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ~30 with classical music iirc < 1246917945 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for my own personal enjoyment < 1246917958 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they are all ripped and "flacced" < 1246918133 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never metaflac I did like. < 1246918147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*didn't < 1246918152 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You used flac --best, right? < 1246918175 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, iirc yes. This was about 1-2 weeks ago I did the actual ripping and conversion... < 1246918199 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I used "did" instead of "didn't" because I didn't want to follow the norm :P < 1246918218 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But "did like" is invalid. < 1246918222 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, in context. < 1246918233 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, err why? < 1246918248 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, not strictly invalid; incredibly unidiomatic. < 1246918253 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds completely wrong. < 1246918266 0 :Associat0r!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"#proglangdesign #ltu ##concurrency" < 1246918348 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1246918420 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.xiph.org/vorbis/doc/v-comment.html btw < 1246918425 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ^ < 1246918428 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1246918474 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: right, just invent your own TAGS for things like MOVEMENT < 1246918527 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, freedb tends to use something like: "Opus 3 - Allegro" or similar for it's title entry < 1246918537 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not consistently < 1246918541 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you could do that, but it's evil :P < 1246918544 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't use FreeDB. < 1246918546 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use MusicBrainz. < 1246918552 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes, sometimes it is in extra instead. < 1246918559 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, if cd-info could fetch from it... < 1246918568 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use another program? < 1246918576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeDB has utterly crap results and is totally unmoderated; MusicBrainz is correct to the point of extreme pedanticism. < 1246918586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it has a program that can tag FLACs, iirc. < 1246918589 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, command line one that can just dump the stuff to a text file for all tracks of the cd currently inserted? < 1246918593 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the way I use it < 1246918594 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't need that. < 1246918598 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MusicBrainz analyzes the files < 1246918602 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to determine what track it is < 1246918609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can just set it on your directory of FLACs and it'll tag 'em all < 1246918627 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, Some sort of checksum? < 1246918630 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ot < 1246918632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's < 1246918640 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some sort of weird proprietary thing they licensed from a huge company nowadays I think < 1246918641 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how would it work for lossy compression like mp3 or ogg < 1246918644 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's never wrong < 1246918647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's very magical < 1246918651 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ton of heuristics < 1246918653 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, open implementation? < 1246918655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never had it misidentify a file < 1246918659 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: think so, yes < 1246918661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :their stuff is open source. < 1246918667 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :issue now: AnMaster said hi, but it was sufficiently long ago that I'll be nickpinging him out of context if I reply < 1246918668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://musicbrainz.org/; go with Picard or sth < 1246918683 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, since I don't like to upload a 16 MB *.flac < 1246918687 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't < 1246918689 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it checksums < 1246918690 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hah < 1246918692 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, right < 1246918893 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Classical_Music_FAQ :p < 1246919032 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: orgy? ok! < 1246919068 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I tried easytags. How do you prevent it asking every time if I want to rename the file? I don't want to rename the file. < 1246919078 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't find any setting for that < 1246919084 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and quite messy to use. < 1246919181 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Just use Picar < 1246919181 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d < 1246919184 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: There's a "do this for every file" option in the checkbox. < 1246919187 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Set directory, click tag, get coffee. < 1246919191 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. In the dialog. < 1246919202 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, no? Are you using ~arch? < 1246919207 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm using stable) < 1246919210 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1246919217 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I am for some things, but not that. < 1246919280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or don't :P < 1246919400 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION needs to check out MusicBrainz. < 1246919405 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, also easytag can't add non-standard tags it seems? < 1246919495 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Okay, so it's not all that great. Figure out MusicBrainz, and I think I'll do the same. < 1246919594 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: "Figure out"? < 1246919600 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Install picard. Point at directory. Snore. < 1246919635 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, does it handle flac? < 1246919640 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so. < 1246919642 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If not, use another client. < 1246919655 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be useful to know *before* installing < 1246919665 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, typing "emerge picard" is soo hard < 1246919672 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://musicbrainz.org/doc/PicardDownload < 1246919674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :→ < 1246919674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Picard_Tagger < 1246919679 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :→ < 1246919679 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Picard_Tagger#Documentation_for_Users < 1246919687 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1246919690 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :→ < 1246919690 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Picard_FAQ < 1246919692 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it supports FLAC. < 1246919712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So install it, open the root directory, click it, click "tag" or whatever the UI is these days, and it'll all be filled automatically. < 1246919719 0 :darthnuri!n=nuri@cpe-66-74-43-92.dc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1246919746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://musicbrainz.org/doc/How_To_Tag_Files_With_Picard < 1246919750 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an explanation of how to use the weird UI < 1246919761 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tl;dr — drag your directory to unmatched files. click cluster. < 1246919776 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :click lookup on the "cluster" heading. < 1246919780 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, wasn't it you who said that a GUI shouldn't need any documentation? < 1246919787 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :check they work okay. press "save" < 1246919788 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :voila < 1246919791 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it shouldn't < 1246919794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but picard has a bad ui :) < 1246919803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one-time operation though < 1246919809 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, for the majority < 1246919814 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ripping a cd, maybe takes 30 seconds extra < 1246919816 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Computer has gone to sleep" < 1246919820 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worth it for the quality < 1246920012 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ripping a cd takes a few minutes...? < 1246920022 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it does? < 1246920033 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :30 seconds you said? heh < 1246920036 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant using picard adds 30sec time to ripping < 1246920039 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1246920050 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, depends on if movement is in a separate field or not < 1246920059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1246920089 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, since I prefer my own planned format for the metadata < 1246920102 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then MusicBrainz is not for you and you have serious OCD problems. < 1246920103 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, where do I drag the files from btw? < 1246920110 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See the link. < 1246920111 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm running under xmonad atm < 1246920131 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh < 1246920133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do I care? < 1246920142 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, if you're going to mangle the metadata, don't bother. < 1246920145 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll just be painful. < 1246920151 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what would be? < 1246920161 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:41 AnMaster: ehird, since I prefer my own planned format for the metadata < 1246920177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just hand-write them if you're going to do that. < 1246920178 0 :inurinternet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :No route to host < 1246920180 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I can use a script to fix it? < 1246920191 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, as in, I already have it parsed in text files as I said above -_- < 1246920198 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would seriously suggest against using MusicBrainz if you're going to change the metadata. < 1246920247 0 :inurinternet!n=nuri@cpe-72-132-164-88.dc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1246920259 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm why? < 1246920286 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because Picard's whole appeal is "drag, click, done", and updating the metadata will be a bitch. < 1246920292 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Because it IS updated from time to time.) < 1246920306 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I could read it with metaflac and then rewrite it? < 1246920320 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it isn't likely I will run picard more than once... < 1246920321 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an idea. Why not repeat what you said two lines ago?! < 1246920331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the files will be moved afterwards soon again < 1246920335 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/again/ < 1246920350 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if it tries to remember where the files were next time it starts it will have issues. < 1246920355 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't. < 1246920484 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err. after dragging the files to unmatched, I should click cluster right? < 1246920489 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why doesn't anything happen < 1246920516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: highlight unmatched < 1246920518 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then click cluster < 1246920522 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did... < 1246920531 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it just does nothing. < 1246920547 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Find out which step of http://musicbrainz.org/doc/How_To_Tag_Files_With_Picard you deviated from and undeviate. < 1246920550 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, maybe it doesn't know the cd? if so, why not say it instead of just doing nothing < 1246920551 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait for Picard to process the files (the names will turn from grey to black) and then click on the cluster button in the toolbar to cluster files into album clusters. < 1246920553 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you wait? < 1246920559 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you did drag your whole library right? < 1246920561 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just one cd < 1246920568 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1246920582 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, one cd. since it is sorted in the file system as one directory per cd < 1246920593 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and they both have a common parent, I would assume..... < 1246920603 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, eh? < 1246920625 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I nominate your ethos and organizational structure for the "Least Tenable To MusicBrainz" award 2009. < 1246920636 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it does, that is the "kraus" for the composer. Like this: /mnt/phoenix/musik/kraus/vol1 /mnt/phoenix/musik/kraus/vol2 and so on < 1246920722 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, clicking "cluster" is just a nop < 1246920724 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1246920745 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are the files gray or black? < 1246920751 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, black < 1246920755 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You did something wrong. < 1246920758 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :named track01.flac and so on < 1246920764 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, they should be gray? < 1246920770 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1246920778 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then why did I do something wrong? < 1246920788 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read the file I linked, follow it word for wrod. < 1246920789 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :word. < 1246920793 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I fucking did < 1246920800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No you didn't, otherwise it would have worked. < 1246920801 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Under 'View' enable 'File Browser'. < 1246920802 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Select a directory or files and drag them to the Unmatched Files folder. < 1246920806 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait for Picard to process the files (the names will turn from grey to black) and then click on the cluster button in the toolbar to cluster files into album clusters. < 1246920809 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1246920814 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were black right from the start < 1246920815 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :odd < 1246920839 0 :darthnuri!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1246920849 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, are they supposed to be black right away? < 1246920859 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have a 400mhz processor? < 1246920866 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, 2 GHz... < 1246920870 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then yes. < 1246920873 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1246920909 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, cluster does completely nothing < 1246920991 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they not move to the Clusters folder? < 1246920996 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no < 1246921002 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they stay in unmatched < 1246921008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buy a new computer that isn't broken. < 1246921023 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, .... very funny < 1246921036 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my conclusion: picard is either shit or has a very shitty UI. < 1246921040 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WFM < 1246921046 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1246921052 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You did something wrong, or your installation of it is broken, or your system is broken. < 1246921053 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait For Make? < 1246921060 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you've run into the AnMaster-is-using-me bug. < 1246921061 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, or picard is broken < 1246921075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find that extremely unlikely, as it is both popular and I have used it personally. < 1246921087 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is unlikely that everyone else is just hallucinating it working perfectly. < 1246921100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You prescribe too much value to your anecdotal experience. < 1246921121 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=uoM-PdJhtmk < 1246921126 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe this screencast would help. < 1246921128 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, want a screenshot after and before clicking cluster? They would be the same, pixel by pixel < 1246921212 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, all examples have files which already contain *some* metadata it seems? < 1246921220 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :utterly irrelevant < 1246921220 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in this case the files contain no metadata whatsoever < 1246921233 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just click Lookup before Cluster, it seems. < 1246921237 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CD Lookup, that is. < 1246921241 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CD Lookup → Cluster → Lookup. < 1246921249 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, "http://musicbrainz.org/doc/PicardDocumentation#Basic_Picard_Documentation" < 1246921249 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1246921252 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not irrelevant < 1246921253 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1246921294 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, cd lookup is greyed out however. Should I have the CD inserted while doing that? Can't it figure it out from the files alone... < 1246921305 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, highlight the files? < 1246921310 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, done... < 1246921314 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Click CD Lookup? < 1246921319 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean individually btw < 1246921324 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, grayed out and tried it < 1246921330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sec. < 1246921336 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: is Lookup grayed out? < 1246921346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no, but "cd lookup" is < 1246921355 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Press Lookup, then < 1246921368 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, lookup says "no matches found" < 1246921371 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for each file < 1246921383 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how useful. freedb has them btw < 1246921384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How obscure is this performance exactly < 1246921398 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this conversation even about? < 1246921398 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look it up manually on http://musicbrainz.org/; ur obviously doin it rong. < 1246921417 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, Vivaldi - The Four Seasons - City of London Sinfonia - Virgo Records - Recorded 1991 < 1246921424 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: AnMaster is using every failing he has with a piece of software I recommended in an attempt to help him out to yell "fail" at me and call the software shit. < 1246921455 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, the fact that it doesn't seem to work seems relevant when deciding if something works or not... < 1246921504 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah. it managed to match some of the other files. To completely wrong CDs. Like: Das Licht der Phantasie (disc 1) - Terry Pratchett < 1246921522 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, complete and utter fail if it misidentifies instead of saying "not known" < 1246921523 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO < 1246921526 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're certainly doing it wrong. < 1246921532 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeDB is the one that misidentifies and returns wrong tags all the time. < 1246921539 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, never done that for me < 1246921550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, because you live in opposites world. < 1246921580 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1246921598 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ehird, Vivaldi - The Four Seasons - City of London Sinfonia - Virgo Records - Recorded 1991 <-- I tried searching for various parts of that. But I can't figure out their search form thingy... < 1246921605 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm not sure if I searched wrong < 1246921607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very simple. < 1246921622 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Antonio Vivaldi for artist? < 1246921624 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://musicbrainz.org/search.html < 1246921625 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's all? < 1246921631 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just use free text. < 1246921643 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://musicbrainz.org/artist/ad79836d-9849-44df-8789-180bbc823f3c.html < 1246921645 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, it said "textsearch" for me in the url < 1246921645 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vivaldi. < 1246921681 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, the album I have is not there < 1246921682 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then grep "four seasons". < 1246921694 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Then it's so obscure it barely exists... < 1246921697 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I know it is released 1991 < 1246921699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, add it. < 1246921719 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, do I need to create an account? If so fuck it, freedb has an entry for it. < 1246921724 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'll just use that instead < 1246921757 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: That's funny; you chastise me for not reporting bugs to projects' BugZilla, which has an awful interface and requires registration with an email and you can't even pick your own password. < 1246921764 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yet a simple registration process to add to MusicBrainz is too much? < 1246921769 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You truly are a fine hypocrite. < 1246921774 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ok, it manages to identify 5 tracks out of 15 on another cd btw. < 1246921781 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I'm relatively sure you can pick your own BugZilla password < 1246921784 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 incorrectly < 1246921786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: only post-registration < 1246921788 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest not at all < 1246921794 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, freedb has it < 1246921797 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :correctly < 1246921799 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yes, that makes sense < 1246921803 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically the same as using a confirm code < 1246921809 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the confirm code goes in the password field < 1246921827 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Right, and other OSs don't have the problems I had with Arch. < 1246921828 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, indeed. < 1246921832 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yet you still told me to report them. < 1246921852 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like to report bugs anyway < 1246921856 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, same < 1246921860 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if nothing else, it gives me information on which projects respond to bugs quickly < 1246921875 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, why can't they just import everything from freedb and merge it with their own index < 1246921879 0 :inurinternet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1246921880 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would save a lot of troubles < 1246921886 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because FreeDB's index is broken, mistagged and always wrong. < 1246921892 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was created BECAUSE freedb is intolerable < 1246921908 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, formatting for tags is inconsistent yes. But apart from that it works perfectly < 1246921922 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, BECAUSE YOU LIVE IN THE MOST INCORRECT OPPOSITES WORLD I'VE EVER HEARD OF! < 1246921951 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I have used it for over 30 cds, it reported everything correctly, sometimes small typos yes, and sometimes inconsistent naming of tracks and so on < 1246921959 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but at least it was always roughly correct. < 1246921967 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not going to talk to you because you're patently ignoring what I say. < 1246921983 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why does musicbrainz like to give a completely wrong result instead of saying "not known"? < 1246921993 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT DOESN'T! FREEDB DOES! < 1246921998 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it did... < 1246922001 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :want screenshot? < 1246922015 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You generalise your stupid individual experience — that has never, ever failed to be incorrect and highly abnormal — to THE GENERAL CASE, because you're an IDIOT who doesn't understand statistics and has a penchant for breaking everything you use. Fuck off! < 1246922028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it actually works on one of the newer cds < 1246922035 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but none of the cds older than 1995 < 1246922042 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't tried all new cds yet < 1246922053 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but most cds I have are from 1992 or older so... < 1246922071 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works perfectly on my CDs from 1969 onwards. < 1246922076 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one is from 1985 for example < 1246922161 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, care to look at this screenshot for example: http://omploader.org/vMXhucQ < 1246922188 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that is after using lookup < 1246922197 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, you truly do lack comprehension of anything. < 1246922213 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to talk in alien language now, because it'll actually improve my communication. < 1246922214 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how does it not mistag here? < 1246922220 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just asking that < 1246922226 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gab flubb dirpmoglaaaaaaa tubadinoshçtok. < 1246922226 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you claimed above it didn't < 1246922229 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : IT DOESN'T! FREEDB DOES! < 1246922242 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you implied it never mistags < 1246922249 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Qüoỏnt’glubakk no idioten. < 1246922261 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, can you make ehird understand the issue? He seems dense today < 1246922297 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it fails for kraus too, giving wrong results < 1246922302 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it just fails at flac. not sure < 1246922306 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't have any non-flac to try with < 1246922308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: If you're in the mood for honoring requests about arguments, please explain AnMaster what generalization means, and why "MusicBrainz isn't the one that mistags, FreeDB is" does not mean a total logical absolute, and how he's generalizing a few individual experiences (stupidly) to a whole, even though they're highly abnormal. < 1246922314 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be nice. < 1246922346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, in my experience, freedb works better than this picard at least < 1246922356 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Album: [couldn't load album 5f26e407-763b-43f0-904a-0bff110ce3c7] < 1246922359 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes no sense < 1246922365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they are having some server issue atm? < 1246922367 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1246922377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that was a rather common cd. Enya < 1246922443 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a best selling one iirc < 1246922472 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, using "scan" works better it seems than "lookup" < 1246922485 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what is the difference, and why not tell me that that was the issue instead < 1246922496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I'm not a Picard expert, I just use it and it works fine. < 1246922497 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it still misidentifies some, but not as many < 1246922498 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just break everything. < 1246922510 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, do your files have any metadata in them before? < 1246922520 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1246922525 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually not. < 1246922530 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1246922532 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been a while, but Picard hasn't changed since then. < 1246922696 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, cluster directly works if there is already metadata in the files, not otherwise < 1246923039 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Instead of using the above release-oriented and metadata-dependent lookup; Picard can try and tag your files 1-by-1 based on their AudioFingerprint. If you select a set of files in the left-hand pane and click "Scan", Picard will calculate an AudioFingerprint for your files and query MusicBrainz to find a Track that matches the PUID located from this fingerprint." < 1246923041 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1246923052 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reading the manual helps a bit, it is still missing one of them though < 1246923065 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however. Your misdirections certainly didn't help ehird. < 1246923094 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Misdirections. I was trying to fucking mislead you. You really think that don't you? You think I'm some sort of fucking MusicBrainz Picard expert, willingly leading you into the caverns of failure. < 1246923107 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unintentional misdirections of course < 1246923119 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AN UNINTENTIONAL MISDIRECTION IS NOT! < 1246923353 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, the result is the same whatever you call it < 1246923370 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, misdirection has to be willful. < 1246923393 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, using easytag + freedb however also adds the year and genre, picard only sets title/artist/album < 1246923401 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, wrong? < 1246923408 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, at least for this example... < 1246923436 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, http://musicbrainz.org:80/track/137a39a5-7afa-43ce-94ad-12995f07c6c5.html?tport=8000 < 1246923447 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the track in question < 1246923464 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is part of release http://musicbrainz.org/release/7b877a93-d7ce-4467-95b1-c13a194d5e4d.html < 1246923475 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct < 1246923483 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, different dates for the different tracks though < 1246923491 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some recorded in 1984, some in 1985 < 1246923495 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well then. < 1246923505 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, according to the cd cover < 1246923514 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and typing it in manually would have been faster... < 1246923539 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server" < 1246923714 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, another thing that confused it: a re-release of a LP as a CD with some new bonus tracks. it couldn't decide which cd to pick from... < 1246923731 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You live in some alternate universe where musicbrainz is simplistic and inferior to the accurate FreeDB. < 1246923733 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it ended up picking from a total of 4 cds. < 1246923746 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it seems to be the case for the music I have... < 1246923808 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://musicbrainz.org:80/album/b964c445-4bbd-485c-8b64-67dc43a32957.html?tport=8000 < 1246923809 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://musicbrainz.org:80/album/a30b65a1-89c4-4820-b327-592821eda5a9.html?tport=8000 < 1246923811 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, compare < 1246923813 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck ^ < 1246923858 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it ends up identifying some tracks from the first, and some from the latter. And they are all from that album yes. But there is only one of them afaik. < 1246923869 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You didn't cluster them. < 1246923874 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you did, it would restrict to one release. < 1246923882 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I couldn't because THERE WAS NO PREVIOUS METADATA IN THE FILES. < 1246923886 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then cluster doesn't work < 1246923887 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can cluster manually, retard. < 1246923898 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not according to the docs < 1246923909 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Drag, drop. And if it knows what CD it's from, it WILL cluster. < 1246923916 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just have to look it up first. < 1246923918 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, right. But those two are the same cd < 1246923921 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with two entries < 1246923924 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is retarted < 1246923929 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is equally well either of them < 1246923937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not retarded; different release variations. < 1246923959 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latter is Japan, as you can see. < 1246923962 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ? How do you mean < 1246923963 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The former is UK, Germany, Canada and US < 1246923969 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Look at the bottom. < 1246923975 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MusicBrainz separates all discs that differ. < 1246923977 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, um. the stuff on the cd is exactly the same right? < 1246923984 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1246923987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, or do you mean the cover differ? < 1246923989 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise the disc ID would be the same. < 1246924006 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://musicbrainz.org:80/album/b964c445-4bbd-485c-8b64-67dc43a32957.html?tport=8000 lists several disc ids < 1246924006 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1246924014 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh. < 1246924018 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They differ, almost certainly. < 1246924027 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how odd < 1246924055 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, one has a track "Oriel Window" too < 1246924058 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine doesn't < 1246924067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There you go, then. < 1246924084 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, still it decided that one of the files belonged to none of the disks. It hated my track 02 < 1246924085 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1246924093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just cluster 'em and do a lookup. < 1246924101 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno how it's breaking so much for you. < 1246924105 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, can't cluster before scan < 1246924109 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scan is the only one that works < 1246924112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scan, cluster, then scan. < 1246924114 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when there is zero metadata < 1246924117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or whatever. < 1246924158 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also it still refuses to know that vivaldi cd < 1246924175 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Add it to the DB so that MusicBrainz has more bizarrely obscure things. < 1246924177 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the Kraus CDs < 1246924189 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is far from obscure < 1246924198 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then there's been a mistake. < 1246924204 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I would have to learn their format. < 1246924213 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and write it all in manually < 1246924220 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :easier to just use freedb for that one. < 1246924221 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a web interface and a specific wiki page for classical music. < 1246924228 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, tl;dr < 1246924235 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it is also easy not to report bugs. do you really want to be a hypocrite of such high caliber? < 1246924247 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it is easy to report bugs < 1246924254 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IME < 1246924269 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go through tedious bugzilla registration. fill in 500 fields, most of which you don't know. give detailed description. < 1246924270 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vs < 1246924288 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go through simple musicbrainz registration. skim over classical music guidelines. fill in just a few fields, which you know by virtue of having the cd. < 1246924290 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, once you learn one bugzilla you learn them all mostly < 1246924299 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter is distinctly simpler. < 1246924303 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and most bugzillas has some "wizard" variant of reporting < 1246924323 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, vs. use easytag < 1246924342 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while it's UI is not very good either, it is not as confusing as that of picard < 1246924347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Then don't ever fucking get holier-than-thou at me when I have a problem, whine, and don't report it as a bug. < 1246924356 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also it knows one of the four volumes of kraus music I have. < 1246924366 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1246924374 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have great skill at ignoring those very lines that show you to be a hypocrite. < 1246924409 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, a difference is that all bugzillas have basically the same interface < 1246924417 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :other bug trackers may not of course.. < 1246924423 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, how hard is it to register? < 1246924428 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, do they want my email? < 1246924430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all musicbrainz have the same interface. < 1246924439 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: funny that. bugzillas require your email. < 1246924440 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, there is only one, so not a valid argument < 1246924442 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://musicbrainz.org/user/register.html < 1246924444 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no email required. < 1246924444 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not all, some < 1246924458 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, can you tag it from inside picard? < 1246924466 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you need to use messy web browser? < 1246924471 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. Picard is a program to tag your music library. There is a simple, clean web interface. < 1246924478 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, fail. < 1246924480 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess what? BugZilla has a crufty web interface! < 1246924493 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :God, and you call my a hypocrite. < 1246924493 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes it does. I use a command line frontend called bugz < 1246924493 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1246924498 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you still fail < 1246924508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write a fucking command line interface to MB then, you shithead. < 1246924520 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, *beep* *beep* < 1246924666 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, funny thing: the times listed on the back of the cd doesn't match the actual track lengths exactly < 1246924681 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7:01 says the cd cover, 7:05 says the computer < 1246924687 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1246924696 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh. I have CDs that have two tracks' lengths mixed, and some with misspellings of the track titles. < 1246924698 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Major label CDs. < 1246924708 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All three from the same band; I wonder if it's a secret code. < 1246924710 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is major label too < 1246924720 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naxos is a major label for classical music < 1246924724 0 :CESSMASTER!n=CESSMAST@unaffiliated/joelywoely JOIN :#esoteric < 1246924728 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean major major label. < 1246924735 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, like? < 1246924736 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in "is mainly known for releasing pop music" label. < 1246924740 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1246924748 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Big whatever-n. < 1246924751 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't think I have any of that :P < 1246924758 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor I. < 1246924805 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see... Universal Records and Warner Bros. < 1246924816 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok fun, freedb have three entries for this. All have slight misspellings, but the average would be correct... < 1246924824 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*has < 1246924839 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1246924856 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[on Haskell caba[ < 1246924858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cabal] < 1246924861 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"HA HA, I thought this article would be about a bunch of crazed fanatics trying to make Ubuntu dependent on Haskell. < 1246924861 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlike Mono. < 1246924863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.fsf.org/news/dont-depend-on-mono" < 1246924867 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1246924869 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/10 F----- would not be trolled again < 1246924937 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :musicbrainz has nothing on that cd however < 1246924958 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... would Ubuntu depending on GHC bring out the same people who get angry at Mono dependencies, I wonder? < 1246924968 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just the people who get angry at anything depending on GHC because it's so hard to compile? < 1246924989 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think GHC has any supposed patent problems........................ < 1246924997 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or indeed any corporate interests. < 1246925007 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but it's from Microsoft!!!!!!1one1 < 1246925009 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you think the Industrial Haskell Group is an evil illuminati. < 1246925013 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's not even that < 1246925021 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of the contributors happen to work for microsoft < 1246925025 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc isn't even their work < 1246925030 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and haskell and ghc have existed long before that < 1246925037 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but you know how far people can take this sort of thing < 1246925067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MONO: NOW YOUR FREE SOFTWARE GNU/LINUX OPERATING SYSTEM CAN GET STDS TOO!! < 1246925069 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, is ubuntu going to require ghc as part of the core/system/whatever set of packages? < 1246925072 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :—Stallman < 1246925080 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Reading comprehension: 0% < 1246925104 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I wasn't sure if it is was something actually happening, or a "what if" scenario < 1246925129 0 :immibis!n=IceChat7@125-238-252-206.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1246925129 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Considering GHC is on 6.8.2 and 6.12 is almost out, I very much doubt it will happen any time soon. < 1246925153 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's very unlikely, Ubuntu hardly ever puts compilers in core < 1246925159 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it ships with gcc, but only to compile kernel modules < 1246925164 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1246925170 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's missing all the headers apart from kernel headers in a default install, for instance < 1246925175 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hey, Python is a bytecode compiler! < 1246925200 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[More than 500 staff at Keihin Electric Express Railway are expected to be subjected to daily face scans by "smile police" bosses. ]] < 1246925203 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/japan/5757194/Workers-have-daily-smile-scans.html < 1246925204 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: the exception's interps for scripting langs, whether they're implemented in terms of compilers or some other ways < 1246925212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doubleplusgood! < 1246925220 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, Brave New World might be a more appropriate reference. < 1246925360 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to figure out why 'Yahoo! Mail' writes its own name in single quotes < 1246925367 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :generally speaking, web pages don't quote their own names... < 1246925373 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's only pretending to be Yahoo! Mail? < 1246925386 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders why GMail is still in beta after this long < 1246925389 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yahoo! "Mail" < 1246925402 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis: the google engineers get a cheap laugh out of it? :-) < 1246925413 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember in 2004, when we did scrabble for an invite, we did! < 1246925416 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you're supposed to shout 'Yahoo! Mail!' when you get mail? < 1246925418 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uphill! BOTH WAYS! < 1246925426 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least there's no snow < 1246925500 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Computer has gone to sleep" < 1246925586 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: By "major label", you mean "member of the RIAA". < 1246925600 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I mean "major label" :P < 1246925604 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's only like 4, and they have a *lot* of subsidiaries. < 1246925607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are many non-major labels in the RIAA. < 1246925612 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1246925613 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1246925618 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_RIAA_member_labels < 1246925621 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are far more. < 1246925621 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are subsidiaries of the major 4. < 1246925628 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just subsidaries < 1246925631 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are marked hierarchically < 1246925637 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1246925651 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect the label on my T-shirt is not a member of the RIAA < 1246925655 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then again, it's hardly major < 1246925660 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hey. That listing is from the RIAA website. < 1246925668 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is known to be a blatant bunch of lies. < 1246925668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wait, that's a joke right? :P < 1246925698 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that lists the lies. < 1246925700 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never mind. < 1246925711 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yes, in a way that expresses my annoyance at people redefining words to mean something else < 1246925722 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: are you fuckin' serious? :) < 1246925731 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn those kids and their modern musicajig! < 1246925742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The term "record label" originally referred to the circular label in the center of a vinyl record that prominently displayed the manufacturer's name, along with other information.[1] < 1246925743 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1246925746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it definitely is directly related. < 1246925759 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just the elision that annoys me < 1246925773 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of, it's like taking a specific sort of something, say "high-level language" < 1246925777 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and abbreviating it to just "language" < 1246925779 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please, ais523. < 1246925780 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :language evolves. < 1246925784 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just really misleading, and ridiculous < 1246925786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called context < 1246925799 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know; I just don't like languages to have to rely on context < 1246925808 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so it's normally obvious what someone means < 1246925813 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it still takes more thought to parse, though < 1246925817 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: are you serious? even lojban relies on context < 1246925823 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1246925827 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want to exponentially inflate the length of every utterance? < 1246925829 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I'm not saying it shouldn't exist at all, it's useful < 1246925843 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just saying that context is probably used a bit more than it ought to be atm < 1246925848 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of 8 cds tried so far, muicbrainz had 4. < 1246925851 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 50% success rate. < 1246925870 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :freedb had all, but not as nicely formatted track titles and such. < 1246925878 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :often several variants with misspellings < 1246925883 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: your experience is highly abnormal. do not generalize it. < 1246925896 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess, use musicbrainz if possible, fallback on freedb < 1246925912 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about use musicbrainz or contribute?! < 1246925916 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, translation: it isn't pop or mainstream < 1246925921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1246925925 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i listen to plenty of obscure music < 1246925929 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :musicbrainz is incredibly comprehensive < 1246925933 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: AnMaster: both of you have a point here < 1246925933 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, maybe. If I have time to. < 1246925952 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what with the long instructions for formatting the classical music entries < 1246925961 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh? < 1246925962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm terribly curious where this busy AnMaster time goes to. he never seems to do much. < 1246925967 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like an excuse to me. < 1246925976 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: he may have a life completely separate from this channel < 1246925977 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :many people do < 1246925982 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, atm? Reading up on theory for driving certificate < 1246925990 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is where most of my time goes currently. < 1246925992 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: he must carry around a portable IRC client at all times, then. < 1246926012 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: no, he has a bouncer < 1246926014 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, I do too; it's called an iphone :P) < 1246926019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i'm talking about talking < 1246926036 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I often live this "separate life" in the same room < 1246926043 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm always within reach of the computer < 1246926043 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while talking. on irc. < 1246926047 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even when doing other stuff < 1246926050 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is clearly a time that is possible to use musicbrainz too < 1246926055 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not always of course, but quite often < 1246926118 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what was this point we both had? < 1246926143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing, AnMaster. you're 100% right. < 1246926144 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the more mainstream classical music is indeed on musicbrainz < 1246926145 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :utterly < 1246926153 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ehird's point is that most people don't have trouble, yours is that it's inappropriate for the way you use things < 1246926165 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, right. That is what I have been trying to say < 1246926171 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet ehird refuses to accept it. < 1246926182 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:22 ehird: nothing, AnMaster. you're 100% right. 00:22 ehird: utterly < 1246926185 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ehird's pedantically making correct but irrelvant statements < 1246926185 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf? < 1246926192 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm agreeing absolutely < 1246926205 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, didn't you forget the "~" < 1246926209 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I know, but you're doing it in a way that makes you look like you're disagreeing < 1246926213 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, AnMaster < 1246926217 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which can only possibly count as AnMaster-baiting < 1246926224 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I don't believe you. < 1246926236 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, so if i disagree with you you argue < 1246926238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I agree with you < 1246926244 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you argue about whether I agree with you < 1246926248 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err. I lost track there. < 1246926312 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, my goal is reached. All the music is tagged, When all 30 cds were done, only 14 needed to be done with freedb due to musicbrainz lacking it. < 1246926316 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/it/them/ < 1246926326 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a bit less than half < 1246926356 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't ripped the other ~60 classical music cds yet... < 1246926369 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/8ypih/this_is_awesome_a_personal_ad_in_graph_form/c0auucv Wow. It's undownmoddable. < 1246926377 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: in what way? < 1246926384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You can't upvote it or downvote it. < 1246926389 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? bug? < 1246926390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are no buttons. < 1246926392 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who knows? < 1246926456 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, there are buttons there? < 1246926464 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No up or down vote arrows. < 1246926466 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh not there < 1246926470 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says deleted? < 1246926475 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The username is. < 1246926486 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1246926496 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that broke it somehow < 1246926508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it usually doesn't < 1246926509 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very odd < 1246926558 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, other issue with both freedb and musicbrainz < 1246926569 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this cd was released with the same disc but two different covers < 1246926603 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one in Swedish (NAXOS 8.554777S) and one in English (NAXOS 8.554777) < 1246926606 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the former < 1246926613 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I want the track titles correct for that ;P < 1246926619 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, there is no way to solve it. < 1246926623 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blame the artist for multi-naming shit < 1246926629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kraftwerk are worse < 1246926629 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, translated titles < 1246926633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they made ENTIRE NEW VOCALS for the songs < 1246926637 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in both german and english < 1246926641 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the two markets < 1246926648 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, but with fingerprinting you can tell them apart < 1246926649 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :literally, translate the lyrics < 1246926660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i know, but it means there's two albums for every name! < 1246926668 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while here the actual cd doesn't differ at all < 1246926686 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just it says "Sinfonia i ciss-moll" instead of "Symphony in C-sharp minor" < 1246926688 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if they translated Autobahn. < 1246926716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We drive drive drive on the motorway" just doesn't have the same ring to it. < 1246926723 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Overture in D minor" vs. "Uvertyr i d-moll" < 1246926750 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for music: moll = minor, dur = major < 1246926767 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm it seems to be "We're driving driving driving on the motorway" < 1246926770 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and for "sharp" in music we add "iss" or "ess". < 1246926785 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay it's actually "Wir fahr'n fahr'n fahr'n fahr'n auf der Autobahn" but I'm translatin' with the help of the interwebs. < 1246927056 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: < 1246927060 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Filling in your e-mail address is completely optional. However if you don't fill it in, the editing features [1] of the MusicBrainz service will not be available to you." < 1246927061 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err right < 1246927067 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, -_- < 1246927071 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, fill it in then. < 1246927077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume it's to do with the moderation service. < 1246927093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would advise you to quit complaining, it's not like BugZilla is any better. < 1246927133 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, true. < 1246927149 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, still tl;dr for that classcial music formatting faq < 1246927170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have the attention span of a /b/tard. < 1246927186 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Incorrect. < 1246927190 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, nah, Slereah is worse < 1246927193 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Classical_Style_Guide is this page really too long for you? < 1246927196 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/b/tards have more attention. < 1246927197 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like 3 fucking screens < 1246927204 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.5, I just measured < 1246927215 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The current official one < 1246927215 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://musicbrainz.org/doc/ClassicalStyleGuide < 1246927217 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the same length < 1246927225 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's really simple. < 1246927241 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ~5 screens < 1246927242 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1246927248 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also just checked < 1246927254 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buy a new monitor and an attention span battery. < 1246927262 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slightly more than 5 in fact < 1246927268 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't you read Terry Pratchett? < 1246927277 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I do read that yes. < 1246927280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :His books are quite long. Indeed, hundreds of screens. < 1246927286 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, pages.... < 1246927287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yet you cannot manage 5. < 1246927296 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: durr it is impossible to transfer information from books hurr. < 1246927303 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, due to lack of interest. < 1246927343 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what are these "puids"? < 1246927362 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Puppies + druids. < 1246927381 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a second in Google gives: http://musicbrainz.org/doc/PUID < 1246927563 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: wow, you type fast if you can google that fast < 1246927581 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I can. < 1246928083 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1246928463 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1246928499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imagechan.com/images/4a1f16e12a8f69e53ef19798b535eeb1.png < 1246928507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1246928638 0 :inurinternet!n=nuri@cpe-72-132-164-88.dc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1246928688 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, editing on musicbrainz, have you done it yourself? < 1246928711 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, if not, are you aware of that it is like picard... completely backwards UI < 1246928819 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially to add releases < 1246928824 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't figure out how to do it < 1246928908 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I think ehird's gone to bed < 1246928914 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1246929293 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1246929598 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, for two of those cds the "puid" things were missing from the db, so it couldn't auto identify them < 1246929613 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, the other are genuinely missing however < 1246929706 0 :CESSMASTER!n=CESSMAST@unaffiliated/joelywoely JOIN :#esoteric < 1246930633 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1246931774 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1246933555 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone know of a good wad editor for windows? < 1246933703 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for doom 1 wads < 1246937158 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god, stop having talked already < 1246937411 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Gab flubb dirpmoglaaaaaaa tubadinoshçtok. <<< glio eglo flog balg nlo mlog < 1246937503 0 :zid!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :help help they're speaking in tongues < 1246937799 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1246937809 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: isn't it 4am where you are? < 1246937818 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:36 yes < 1246937819 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, 4:36? < 1246937820 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ehird, atm? Reading up on theory for driving certificate <<< i don't believe a human can learn to drive a car as stably as people do. < 1246937823 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleep pattern broken < 1246937828 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same here < 1246937834 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one of the things that make me feel soliptistic < 1246937864 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I finally tagged the music perfectly < 1246937971 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i finally read the logs < 1246937978 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you awake at 5 < 1246937981 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1246937983 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1246937986 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't sleep yet < 1246937992 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also not 5 < 1246937997 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because sweden < 1246937999 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 < 1246938009 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except closer to 5 now < 1246938084 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just woke up, went to sleep at 21:00 < 1246938091 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe a few seconds later < 1246938126 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like 23-5 would be nice < 1246938126 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go and sleep another 5 hours :P < 1246938146 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i slept 15 hours just the other night < 1246938164 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there was a 1 hour sleep without artificial interruption < 1246938174 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my brain has issues i think < 1246938284 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklodok! :D < 1246938294 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! :DD < 1246938403 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION starts Project Eulering, in Haskell < 1246938414 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :main = print $ find (and . (\x -> [x `mod` y == 0 | y <- [1..20]])) [1..] < 1246938422 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a... Pretty slow piece of code there. < 1246938479 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1246938479 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help . < 1246938482 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help languages < 1246938482 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :languages: Esoteric: 1l 2l adjust asm axo bch befunge befunge98 bf bf8 bf16 bf32 boolfuck cintercal clcintercal dimensifuck glass glypho haskell kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain perl qbf rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 underload unlambda whirl. Competitive: bfjoust fyb. Other: asm c cxx forth sh. < 1246938497 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell main = print $ find (and . (\x -> [x `mod` y == 0 | y <- [1..20]])) [1..] < 1246938507 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me when you surpass me < 1246938519 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll get interested again < 1246938522 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in euler < 1246938527 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"find" undefined? < 1246938528 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'll be a while. < 1246938538 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. import Data.List < 1246938558 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt i've played more than a week or two < 1246938569 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess if you don't know haskell < 1246938574 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that well < 1246938574 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :./project5 295.32s user 3.41s system 94% cpu 5:17.56 total < 1246938580 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know whether you do < 1246938590 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using it as an excuse to code more Haskell. < 1246938605 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1246938606 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, returns the right answer (embedded in a Maybe). < 1246938641 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a got into it because of this other dude, but i think he's in finnish top10 nowadays, i just didn't know enough math back then < 1246938725 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, I could have just done some smarter math. XD < 1246938725 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also because python is 100 times slower than most languages, some problems are substantially harder for it < 1246938781 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could've < 1246938794 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a pen and paper problem < 1246938844 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1246938876 0 :MizardX!i=MizardX@h-28-236.A159.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1246938876 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but it was a Haskell one-liner. < 1246938918 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, i was just agreeing with you about coulding to have done smarter math. < 1246938938 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sic) < 1246938977 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean i also agree there's no need to do smarter math, because it's a one-liner anyway < 1246938987 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways. < 1246939003 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :First few have been trivial. < 1246939039 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Project 4 was a whole 9 lines. ... Because I needed to define a function to test if something was a palindrome or not. < 1246939139 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i made some sort of merging generators thing for 4 < 1246939185 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe i just wrote some sorta one-liner because it's #4, and i'm recalling some other prob < 1246939315 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :main = print $ last $ sort . nub $ filter (palindromeP . show) $ [x*y | x <- [100..999], y <- [100..999]] < 1246939337 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :palindromeP is an exercise for the reader, and I'm thinking last $ sort . nub $ filter is dumb. < 1246939354 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help userinterps < 1246939354 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :userinterps: Users can add interpreters written in any of the languages in !help languages. See !help addinterp, delinterp, show | !userinterps. List interpreters added with !addinterp. < 1246939360 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!userinterps < 1246939361 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Installed user interpreters: aol austro b1ff bc bct bfbignum brit brooklyn chef chiqrsx9p choo cockney ctcp dc drawl dubya echo ehird fudd google graph gregor hello jethro kraut num ook pansy pirate plot postmodern postmodern_aoler redneck reverse rot13 sadbf sfedeesh sffedeesh sffffedeesh sffffffffedeesh slashes svedeesh swedish valspeak warez yodawg < 1246939387 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog. < 1246939388 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zee qooeeck broon fux joomps oofer zee lezy dug. Bork Bork Bork! < 1246939409 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!yodawn Zee qooeeck broon fux joomps oofer zee lezy dug. Bork Bork Bork! < 1246939418 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!yodawg Zee qooeeck broon fux joomps oofer zee lezy dug. Bork Bork Bork! < 1246939419 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown function: Z < 1246939608 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!userinterps < 1246939608 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Installed user interpreters: aol austro b1ff bc bct bfbignum brit brooklyn chef chiqrsx9p choo cockney ctcp dc drawl dubya echo ehird fudd google graph gregor hello jethro kraut num ook pansy pirate plot postmodern postmodern_aoler redneck reverse rot13 sadbf sfedeesh sffedeesh sffffedeesh sffffffffedeesh slashes svedeesh swedish valspeak warez yodawg < 1246939640 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!google test < 1246939641 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://google.com/search?q=test < 1246939650 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that was useful...not... < 1246940597 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!warez wat < 1246940597 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w4t < 1246941033 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sffffffffedeesh test < 1246941033 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test < 1246941045 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sffffffffedeesh Hello people, I am swedish. < 1246941045 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hellu peuple-a, I em svedeesh. Bork Bork Bork! < 1246941066 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish Hellu peuple-a, I em svedeesh. Bork Bork Bork! < 1246941066 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helloo peoople-a-a, I im sfedeesh. Bork Bork Bork! Bork Bork Bork! < 1246941076 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sweedish Helloo peoople-a-a, I im sfedeesh. Bork Bork Bork! Bork Bork Bork! < 1246941081 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish Helloo peoople-a-a, I im sfedeesh. Bork Bork Bork! Bork Bork Bork! < 1246941082 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helluu peuuple-a-a-a, I im sffedeesh. Bork Bork Bork! Bork Bork Bork! Bork Bork Bork! < 1246941091 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish Helluu peuuple-a-a-a, I im sffedeesh. Bork Bork Bork! Bork Bork Bork! Bork Bork Bork! < 1246941091 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helloooo peoooople-a-a-a-a, I im sffffedeesh. Bork Bork Bork! Bork Bork Bork! Bork Bork Bork! Bork Bork Bork! < 1246941231 0 :MizardX-!i=MizardX@h-28-236.A159.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1246941270 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1246941288 0 :MizardX-!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :MizardX < 1246942699 0 :Associat0r!n=Associat@h163153.upc-h.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1246944761 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis: wat < 1246945403 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis knows his stuff < 1246945601 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i should glio a pizza < 1246946003 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1246946155 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you disagree? < 1246946172 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it just me or do people throw around the term 'deconstruction' way too much < 1246946281 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't noticed < 1246946540 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1246946575 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: i dont see people use it hardly at all < 1246946594 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you reading much postmodernist/poststructuralist word and/or work influenced by derrida? < 1246946665 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like in discussions where people are considering whether or not a work deconstructed a genre, people tend to conclude the affirmative a bit too much < 1246946932 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see much use in the term personally < 1246946968 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it does have a use, but people probably dont know what it means, so. < 1246947106 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^run wget --bind-address=127.0.0.1 http://google.com/ < 1246947130 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn ignore list < 1246947196 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you on it? < 1246947211 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1246947211 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo hi < 1246947213 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi hi < 1246947217 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^run echo hi < 1246947222 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1246947226 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, is ^run even a fungot command? < 1246947226 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: suppose i have ( equal? ( convert3 4 5 6) < 1246947234 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no its a hackego command < 1246947238 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait hackego is ` < 1246947240 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION slaps head < 1246947242 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case, you probably want a different prefix < 1246947248 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run wget --bind-address=127.0.0.1 http://googlw.com/ < 1246947249 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1246947253 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run wget --bind-address=127.0.0.1 http://google.com/ 2>&1 < 1246947254 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--2009-07-07 05:14:13-- http://google.com/ \ Connecting to 127.0.0.1:3128... connected. \ Proxy request sent, awaiting response... 301 Moved Permanently \ Location: http://www.google.com/ [following] \ --2009-07-07 05:14:14-- http://www.google.com/ \ Connecting to 127.0.0.1:3128... connected. \ Proxy request sent, awaiting < 1246947262 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that actually worked!? < 1246947269 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run wget --bind-address=123.45.67.89 http://google.com/ 2>&1 < 1246947270 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--2009-07-07 05:14:29-- http://google.com/ \ Connecting to 127.0.0.1:3128... failed: Cannot assign requested address. \ Retrying. \ \ --2009-07-07 05:14:29-- (try: 2) http://google.com/ \ Connecting to 127.0.0.1:3128... failed: Cannot assign requested address. \ Retrying. \ \ --2009-07-07 05:14:29-- (try: 3) http://google.com/ < 1246947508 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION slaps myndzi immibis with an immibissuffix < 1246947509 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION slapmyndziyndzmyndzimmibimyndzimmibissuffix < 1246947509 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION slapimmibisyndzimmibismmibimyndzmyndzisuffix < 1246948188 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1246951673 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"The only thing I know is that I know nothing" < 1246952507 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1246952607 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vjn.fi/oklopol/music/sevenfold.mid < 1246952631 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1246952704 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1246952890 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like it, but it kinda hurts my ears < 1246952911 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1246952939 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1246952943 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1246953015 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1246953381 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :subroles. < 1246953599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1246953600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1246955182 0 :GregorR-L!n=gregor@host26-175-static.49-88-b.business.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1246955508 0 :M0ny!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-3-138.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1246956673 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-8-50.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1246958669 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1246959853 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1246960529 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it possible to have a multi line TextView in a TableRow? < 1246960532 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err sorry < 1246960540 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1246960556 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should be sorry < 1246960704 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c2391BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1246960876 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1246960877 0 :MigoMipo_!n=MigoMipo@84-217-8-50.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1246962379 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1246962492 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1246962589 0 :MigoMipo_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :MigoMipo < 1246963232 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"A day without sunshine is like .... night" < 1246964836 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1246965140 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1246967656 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1246969051 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was awful, IWC < 1246969604 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1246970700 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1246971288 0 :GregorR-L!n=gregor@host26-175-static.49-88-b.business.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1246972203 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1246972807 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I had a series of 30 classical music cds based on theme, freedb has about 2/3 of them, musicbrainz has none. Oh and I'm not going to rip these, and it seems picard can't work directly from the cd. So I guess I can't add them. < 1246972829 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and a few other cds I'm not going to rip that it is lacking. < 1246973176 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server" < 1246973891 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1246973950 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-8-50.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1246974524 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1246974525 0 :MigoMipo_!n=MigoMipo@84-217-8-50.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1246974665 0 :nice_!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1246974726 0 :nice_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :nice_ka < 1246974832 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1246974837 0 :nice_ka!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :KingOfKarlsruhe < 1246974866 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1246975013 0 :MizardX-!i=MizardX@h-28-236.A159.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1246975013 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1246975046 0 :MizardX-!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :MizardX < 1246975545 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Wamanuz < 1246975617 0 :Wamanuz!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :BeholdMyGlory < 1246976009 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1246978630 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1246979871 0 :MigoMipo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server" < 1246982162 0 :ehirdiphone!n=ehirdiph@91.105.92.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1246982215 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Richard Stallman wrote emacs, gcc, gdb, glibc and the GPL. That is all." Wow, he's right. I guess we can't all be perfect. :-P < 1246982224 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1246982265 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1246982275 0 :MizardX!i=MizardX@h-28-236.A159.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1246982276 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@77.100.194.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1246982677 0 :darthnuri!n=nuri@cpe-98-150-123-153.dc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1246982865 0 :inurinternet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1246983912 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-38-151.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1246984164 0 :darthnuri!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1246984894 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Project Euler is fun. Especially when you use the single most naive algorithms possible. < 1246984911 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For prime factorization. < 1246984917 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1246985001 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1246985226 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1246985336 0 :augur!n=augur@71.196.114.50 JOIN :#esoteric < 1246985417 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1246986238 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1246986991 0 :inurinternet!n=nuri@cpe-75-85-210-179.dc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1246988493 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1246989632 0 :inurinternet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1246990795 0 :inurinternet!n=nuri@rrcs-74-62-7-76.west.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1246991066 0 :M0ny!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-3-138.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1246991312 0 :darthnuri!n=nuri@rrcs-74-62-7-76.west.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1246991616 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, heh < 1246991667 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what is the most naive one? I can think of at least two naive ones. Plus a number of less naive ones. Oh and some ones that passed "naive" and went to "intentionally stupid and silly" < 1246991722 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Take the list of all primes less than half of n, check and see if those are factors. < 1246991731 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.. < 1246991784 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bloody stupid one would be "try every possible combination of above mentioned primes", trying first using only using two primes, then if no match found, try again with three and so on < 1246991804 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, how do you like that one? :) < 1246991833 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. < 1246991916 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, like: foreach prime X < N/2 { foreach prime Y < N/2 { if (Y*X == N) return X,Y; } } < 1246991926 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adapt to work for Z and so on < 1246991952 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be done by making it a list of n-tuples < 1246991957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and having a function combine < 1246991966 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :taking two lists, generating every possible combination < 1246991966 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall i in n: prime(i); product l = n; < 1246991967 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like: < 1246991973 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1246991974 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall i in l: prime(i); product l = n; < 1246992053 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :combine([2,7], [2,7]) -> [{2,2},{2,7},{7,2},{7,7}] < 1246992078 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the input lists would already have such tuples < 1246992117 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :combine([2,7], [{2,2},{2,7},{7,2},{7,7}]) -> [{2,2,2},{2,2,7},{2,7,2},{2,7,7},{7,2,2},{7,2,7},{7,7,2},{7,7,7}] < 1246992123 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I'm not wrong < 1246992151 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then multiply all the elements in each tuple and check if they match N < 1246992169 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on what combine is < 1246992181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklodok, the function described above < 1246992190 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1246992196 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what i mean is, [{2, {2, 2}}, ... < 1246992205 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually works that way in math tho < 1246992225 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklodok, multiplication is commutative so it doesn't matter in this case. < 1246992227 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also j has a few special cased things that lift tuples like that < 1246992250 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I was using erlang syntax for lists and tuples < 1246992281 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah < 1246992299 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"blah"? < 1246992339 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what language does one write the solutions in? < 1246992344 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for project euler < 1246992364 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you just provide the answer? < 1246992372 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell. < 1246992379 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, no other ones possible? < 1246992389 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... No, I mean I'm writing them in Haskell. < 1246992397 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just provide the answer. < 1246992400 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok < 1246992419 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/07/07/0024224/Dont-Copy-That-Floppy-Gets-a-Sequel < 1246992541 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy < 1246992545 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a recent anti-piracy parody thing in that "The IT Crowd" TV series; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d82Lq2rVB_4 < 1246992609 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: don't know why i said blah, my point was just combine must be somewhat smart to know when to lift tuples like that, but assuming you were just doing math in erlang notation, that's not important. < 1246992619 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*just that < 1246992646 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i wanted to note j does that kinda lifting, although i don't remember what operators. < 1246992653 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Recent" as in 2-3 years old, yes < 1246992668 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklodok, note that combine is an invented function here < 1246992674 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for this special purpose < 1246992682 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: invented name for cartesian product yes < 1246992697 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklodok, invented function for it yes for this purpose. < 1246992728 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are better ways to do that in erlang iirc. Using list comprehensions comes to mind. < 1246992730 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Recent in the sense that they've recently started showing that thing in Finnish TV. Or so I hear, anyway; we don't have one. < 1246992744 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I haven't heard of that. < 1246992751 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would they start showing it < 1246992752 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In Finland, the show is broadcast by Yle TV2 since April 2009." < 1246992754 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's stupid < 1246992758 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw it back 2-3 years ago. < 1246992774 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And found it partially reasonably amusing < 1246992782 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well me too < 1246992803 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just kinda tired of watching nerd humor without nerd content < 1246992827 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you watch a "The #esoteric Crowd" TV series? < 1246992849 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't < 1246992851 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be scary < 1246992859 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i watch the it crowd. < 1246992872 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how accurate is it? < 1246992881 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes esocrowd would probably be awesome < 1246992883 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :accurate? < 1246992884 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, when it comes to technical details < 1246992888 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1246992891 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there's this scene < 1246992902 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the nerd tells the chick about his code < 1246992918 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a buzz so you don't hear what he says. < 1246992919 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen one (1) episode, and it didn't really go into technical details at all. It's more about the people, I guess. < 1246992928 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I mean is, is it technobable or does the stuff make sense? < 1246992944 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, boring < 1246992946 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not technobabble. < 1246992962 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, and this is on TV? You are joking right? < 1246992976 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, no. < 1246992993 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, do you see any scrolling text on the face of a person in front of a computer? < 1246993003 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the reflecting light < 1246993008 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so it is disqualified < 1246993029 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :monitors are not projectors! < 1246993030 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it, they don't spend much time sitting in front of their computers. < 1246993038 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, then what on earth is the point? < 1246993049 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're tech support. < 1246993050 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it doesn't need technobabble when there's no techno to babble about. < 1246993065 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, boring then < 1246993084 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, are the errors described actually plausible? < 1246993088 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of them always answers the phone with "IT; have you tried turning it off and then on again" < 1246993095 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1246993111 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the manager dude < 1246993117 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't they have an answering machine thing for the phone that suggested rebooting and the normal stuff? < 1246993126 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah right, that came later < 1246993127 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all other characters are, well, very british. < 1246993135 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/other/? < 1246993147 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found the manager quite British as well. < 1246993187 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by british character i mean the kind you find in british sitcoms, bad :) < 1246993195 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure why i think that. < 1246993201 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I meant too, apart from the bad < 1246993207 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i've watched the wrong wshows < 1246993210 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1246993220 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well he has the scrubs like insane quality. < 1246993222 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shows < 1246993230 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love scrubs. < 1246993256 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there is one thing I hate it is technobable when you know the stuff they are talking about. < 1246993258 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Once I learnt enough physics I stopped watching Star Trek... < 1246993259 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like character humor, and complex humor < 1246993278 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't seen much of the latter during my lifetime < 1246993294 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Complex number humor; there's a definite lack of that. < 1246993307 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I'm sure it has been done... < 1246993311 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's not much complex number humor that isn't just math related puns < 1246993326 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :math related puns are just puns, and puns are never funny < 1246993337 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Z and X walked to a bar; but they're not orderable! < 1246993339 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklodok, there isn't much math humour that isn't puns... < 1246993357 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was told that earlier on #math < 1246993364 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not- < 1246993364 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :math < 1246993372 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklodok, oh? I was just speaking out of experience... < 1246993376 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, that's true. < 1246993385 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway puns can be fun < 1246993392 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no they can't < 1246993403 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i heard a math joke that wasn't a pun just after someone told me that < 1246993412 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklodok, and what was that joke? < 1246993431 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SGI's IRIX accelerated-math library thing (for FFTs and such) has a data type "complex" for pairs of single-precision floats, but the name for the double-precision variant is the hilarious "zomplex". < 1246993450 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zomplex a, b; < 1246993456 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, err, why is that hilarious? < 1246993456 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was about a branch of math that has very inexact bounds, something about a lecturer saying he didn't remember exactly, but something happened less than 10^10^10^10 years ago. < 1246993469 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why, it just is. < 1246993477 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that the name makes any sense < 1246993479 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like some sort of zombie-complex. < 1246993502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any explanation of the name? < 1246993514 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, zombies aren't really very funny < 1246993514 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: did you get the joke? < 1246993529 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zombies can be very funny < 1246993529 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the 100rd (th?) time at least < 1246993534 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Watch Shaun of the Dead sometime < 1246993537 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklodok, *reads* < 1246993557 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't actually tell the joke, my interest in jokes is mostly theoretical < 1246993567 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can look it up if you can't laugh at it from that < 1246993574 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklodok, well... Assuming the current estimate of the age of the universe... < 1246993600 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly he used something less exact than that. < 1246993622 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see how that matters, the gist of the joke is it doesn't matter in whatever branch the lecturer does either < 1246993640 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:04 AnMaster: ehird, editing on musicbrainz, have you done it yourself? < 1246993640 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1246993657 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the branch was named after a name of some sort, and i've never heard of it, so i'd need to read from the logs < 1246993660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:20 AnMaster: ehird, I had a series of 30 classical music cds based on theme, freedb has about 2/3 of them, musicbrainz has none. Oh and I'm not going to rip these, and it seems picard can't work directly from the cd. So I guess I can't add them. < 1246993662 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:20 AnMaster: oh and a few other cds I'm not going to rip that it is lacking. < 1246993664 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you keep talking. are you fallaciously assuming I give a shit? < 1246993667 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, adding cds with different composers for different tracks = pain < 1246993684 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, compilations with themes < 1246993704 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It's twice the fun when you need to add almost every composer, as I have had to do in the past. < 1246993705 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:49 fizzie: There was a recent anti-piracy parody thing in that "The IT Crowd" TV series; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d82Lq2rVB_4 < 1246993711 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the "you wouldn't steal a policeman's helmet"? < 1246993714 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't view in this country < 1246993715 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Yes. < 1246993716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway that's ancient. < 1246993716 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As well as the label that published the CD. < 1246993719 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it is < 1246993725 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, read the rest of the log < 1246993734 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:52 fizzie: Deewiant: Recent in the sense that they've recently started showing that thing in Finnish TV. Or so I hear, anyway; we don't have one. < 1246993741 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28694 < 1246993750 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the name is because LAPACK's six-letter (for Fortran compatibility) function names start with a single-character data-type prefix; S = float, D = double, C = single-precision complex, Z = double-precision complex. < 1246993768 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course that's a bit of a non-answer, because it doesn't explain why lapack chose Z there. < 1246993772 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: It's twice the fun when you need to add almost every composer, as I have had to do in the past. <-- yes I had a few of that. I just gave up. Too much work. And some said "Unknown, but probably Haydn or Mozart" < 1246993779 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, that is where I gave up < 1246993801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:55 AnMaster: what I mean is, is it technobable or does the stuff make sense? < 1246993801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moss: [picks up phone] Hello, IT? Yah-hah? Have you tried forcing an expected reboot? You see the driver hooks the function by patching the system call table, so it's not safe to unload it unless another thread's about to jump in there and do its stuff, and you don't want to end up in the middle of invalid memory. < 1246993805 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[laughs] < 1246993807 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moss: Hello? < 1246993809 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct apart from being the wrong way around./ < 1246993840 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that kind of could make sense assuming windows NT's design < 1246993847 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) I didn't remember that one < 1246993849 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to remember how system calls worked < 1246993859 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I think it is possibly accurate < 1246993872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's fairly sane OS design. < 1246993888 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember there was/is a table you could patch to install rootkits. Mentioned on sysinternals iirc... < 1246993889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the correction is s/unless/if/) < 1246993904 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if it was an internal table, or the system call one. < 1246993917 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was just about to complain about unless < 1246993924 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:10 ehird: correct apart from being the wrong way around./ < 1246993941 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1246993945 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could work still < 1246993950 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1246993951 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just use CMPXCHG < 1246993952 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1246993957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make it lockless < 1246993959 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unloading it is only safe if you're about to jump to it? < 1246993965 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah not that < 1246993968 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT'S what will end you in the middle of garbage memory... < 1246993978 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant, could be make to work even if something is jumping to it < 1246993985 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ata1: hard resetting link < 1246993998 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is cause for concern, I think. < 1246994007 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It happens < 1246994009 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man, that sequel is official < 1246994025 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A smug teen who's downloading files from 'Pirates Palace' and 'Tune Weasel' finds his world turned upside down when automatic weapons-toting government agents break down the door and take his Mom away in handcuffs. The teen finds himself in a prison jumpsuit forced to tattoo shirtless adult inmates who eventually turn on him, physically attack him, and make him run for his life back to his jail cell." < 1246994026 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just use a CAS instruction (CMPXCHG assuming x86), to swap it with the original function used < 1246994041 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds more like a subversive ad for anarchism than against piracy < 1246994046 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it doesn't matter if something is about to jump to it < 1246994065 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, might be < 1246994071 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y'know what this has acheived? < 1246994073 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :achieved < 1246994078 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanna go pirate a bunch of software i don't want to use < 1246994087 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and delete it immediately < 1246994089 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and get sued. < 1246994102 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1246994113 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm running a smartctl test. < 1246994128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not giving them the money they rightfully should own as I would if I bought it then stomped on the disc < 1246994159 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, does it have the same mc? :D < 1246994182 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a flashback, at least; watching it. < 1246994191 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklodok, there are some non-puns in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_joke below the pun section < 1246994198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see "Stereotypes of mathematicians" < 1246994209 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL at the prisoners' tattoos. < 1246994218 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm also not that interested in mathematician jokes < 1246994219 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ? < 1246994231 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahahahah this must be a parody < 1246994242 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: See /. link above, or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHaAFqoVLtI for the lazy. < 1246994252 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stereotype jokes are almost as easy as puns < 1246994274 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: omg it's the same mc < 1246994279 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, it is < 1246994296 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like what what in the butt < 1246994299 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't copy that, in the butt < 1246994311 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL at the crappy-looking and -sounding Klingons < 1246994319 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is really weak :-D < 1246994344 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to copy data is a great dishonour? fucking L[123] caches and RAM! < 1246994354 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should be illegal! (well, they were somewhere iirc :)) < 1246994362 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, wasn't it in UK? < 1246994366 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1246994369 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok < 1246994408 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that was delightfully bullshit < 1246994418 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, they're using Joomla on their website < 1246994421 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :last I checked, it was open source < 1246994435 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect them of copying it. < 1246994463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Joomla!; pedanticity must be applied even in the face of obnoxious exclamation marks < 1246994494 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't watch it, it is just too bad. < 1246994504 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I bet if I showed this new video to the average 12 year old, they'd think it was some kind of internet sketch comedy thing." < 1246994511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it actually is exactly like that < 1246994521 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it wasn't on the SIIA website, I'd be laughin' < 1246994521 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, isn't it? < 1246994527 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, it's real < 1246994541 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Joomla! is GPL. ;) < 1246994549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: "Copying data is a great dishonor." < 1246994554 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rest my case. < 1246994557 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah. < 1246994567 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :honour* < 1246994570 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know it's true because fake Klingons (…is there another kind?) said it. < 1246994636 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: probably not the same actor; since the actor is like CEO of some enterprisey bullshit computer company < 1246994686 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beats me < 1246994741 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's don't copy that floppy exactly? < 1246994756 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about that "patching system call table" quote... were there more like that in that series? < 1246994757 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklodok: you have to watch it. to experience it. < 1246994759 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something also available on youtube < 1246994760 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ^ < 1246994765 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: dunno, I only watched a few episodes. < 1246994768 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An early 90s anti-piracy video < 1246994771 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just torrent the damn thing and see :P < 1246994777 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: yes, but it takes about an hours to download something with my conn < 1246994780 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hour < 1246994806 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's okay, we brits paid for it with our yearly payment to the WE KNOW WHO YOU ARE SO PAY UP YOUR DAMN TV LICENSE commission) < 1246994818 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 minutes of fairly heavily compressed video shouldn't take /that/ long < 1246994825 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless they're bigger than I think < 1246994839 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: they are, but it can play before downloading it all, so < 1246994840 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :takes 10 minutes to download a midi < 1246994851 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you on, 1200 baud? < 1246994853 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some normal webpages time out < 1246994854 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(apparently the tv licensing people just track who has a TV, then harass anyone who doesn't have one) < 1246994870 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Webpages go up to megabytes these days, that doesn't surprise me < 1246994871 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i just have µtorrent on, and for some reason it kills http < 1246994873 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(we saw in your window that you have a tv and are watching it and are not paying us!* *note: we didn't actually look) < 1246994882 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklodok: because your connection is saturated < 1246994884 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yeah, utorrent helps < 1246994885 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rate-limit utorrent. < 1246994892 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: i've never seen a 1mb webpage < 1246994903 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Turn off adblock. < 1246994906 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And noscript. < 1246994921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Mu; I don't use them. < 1246994930 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, that wouldn't timeout the whole page. < 1246994932 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just certain elements. < 1246994940 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's in a table it'll timeout the whole thing. < 1246994944 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklodok: link to that sevenfold glio song thing? saw it in the logs ages ago. < 1246994952 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: not eg an < 1246994960 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : If it's in a table it'll timeout the whole thing. <-- huh? < 1246994969 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: sure, that's kind of a nobrainer, i just don't want to limit it, i prefer not using the net. < 1246994971 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: No? Don't you need to know the size before you can flow it? < 1246994977 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sevenfold glio song? < 1246994980 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean the midi? < 1246994983 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: modern browsers don't have that. < 1246994983 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sevenfold.mid < 1246994984 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklodok: yeah < 1246994989 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: netscape 4, I think, did that. < 1246994993 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just reflow. < 1246995001 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vjn.fi/oklopol/music/sevenfold.mid < 1246995002 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, :P < 1246995013 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recall people complaining about as recently as in Phoenix < 1246995019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: weird < 1246995021 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklodok: beautiful < 1246995022 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Granted, that's still a while ago < 1246995041 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Their marketing department didn't even notice that they made an unauthorized reproduction and depiction of a well known anime character in their video..." —/. < 1246995051 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But anyway, it was quite obviously noticeable that tables didn't render the way divs did < 1246995061 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklodok: i like the guitar/drums part < 1246995067 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it's probably my only "published" piece that has completely random parts. < 1246995067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very nice sandwiched with the noise. < 1246995074 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1246995075 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not parts < 1246995082 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but at least subparts. < 1246995091 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklodok: i wonder if it's possible to play this irl < 1246995095 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm thinking the drums might be a bit hard. < 1246995104 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually the stuff people hear as noise in my songs is 100% thought through < 1246995165 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :world record is 80 bps < 1246995165 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anicecreamymelody goes well after sevenfold. < 1246995166 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1246995168 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for drums < 1246995189 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: if you want to hear, i do have some actual music too. < 1246995197 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklodok: that's just hitting shit a lot though < 1246995207 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you have to play the rhythmical part straight afterwards < 1246995214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklodok: you mean the metal stuff? < 1246995221 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i listened to that ages ago, didn't really like it. < 1246995223 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err well yes most of it < 1246995233 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the rest < 1246995237 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you listened to the band stuff? < 1246995242 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1246995245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :months and months ago. < 1246995247 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both bands? < 1246995255 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, they sounded mostly identical ;P < 1246995256 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*:P < 1246995264 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1246995276 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird. < 1246995283 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm not really a metal guy you know? < 1246995287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all sorta sounds the same. < 1246995291 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, i guess. < 1246995295 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etudes, i haven't seen etudes before < 1246995312 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :old piano etudes of mine < 1246995325 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i dunno what these .gt[45]s are i guess i could download the midi archive < 1246995335 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway most of my songs are just on .mid < 1246995341 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, they are mostly metal < 1246995348 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well metal .mid is okay < 1246995348 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only have like 10 or so non-metal songs < 1246995357 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the music is fine, i just don't like how it sounds when performed < 1246995361 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklodok, ehird: for drums, couldn't you use several people, playing on a round-robin schedule? < 1246995361 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the computer that is < 1246995367 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to increase number of beats < 1246995368 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: have you listened to it? < 1246995380 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not yet, trying to find my headphones... < 1246995382 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could work if you have instant, infinite communication and comprehension between everyone. < 1246995388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you won't like it :D < 1246995401 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklodok: well linky to mids? < 1246995407 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1246995420 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can privately up some stuff for you, but i don't like distributing them. < 1246995425 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kayy < 1246995430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll only give them to 5000 people max < 1246995436 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1246995440 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe 50,000 < 1246995442 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's a good day < 1246995460 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh 50,000? then we have a problem. < 1246995469 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7,000 < 1246995479 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1246995482 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be over 9000 < 1246995485 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's find < 1246995486 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fine < 1246995508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9,000 + epsilon < 1246995516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9,000 + ε < 1246995548 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which reminds me, can anybody explain why 8000 got translated to 9000 < 1246995554 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklodok, I would like a copy too. < 1246995566 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, hm? I thought 9000 was some meme < 1246995580 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8000 I never heard of as a meme < 1246995590 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it was 8000 in the original japanese < 1246995593 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they translated it to 9000. < 1246995601 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know where the meme is from < 1246995604 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would now? < 1246995604 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but from what you said < 1246995605 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dragon ball z. < 1246995608 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess manga/anime < 1246995610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklodok: i inferred from Deewiant < 1246995618 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's clearly because americans are 1,000 better, anyway < 1246995620 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's from an episode of Dragonball Z where Vegeta says it angrily. < 1246995636 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this "dragonball z", is it manga or anime? < 1246995646 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Manga doesn't come in episodes. < 1246995648 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most animes are also mangae.. < 1246995651 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's a "power level" which should be over 9000. < 1246995654 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\.\././ < 1246995660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: shouldn't be. < 1246995663 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dragonball Z is based on the Dragonball manga, though, where it was also 8000. < 1246995667 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ok. I'm not an expert on such stuff. < 1246995669 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main line is expressing shock at said fact. < 1246995678 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in the new Dragonball Kai which is sort of a remake of Dragonball Z it was also 8000. < 1246995679 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly by Bad Guy(TM) < 1246995684 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't actually know anything about dragonball < 1246995691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just good at collecting info randomly and inferring. < 1246995709 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erzyklopedia dramatica has the dialogue, so: < 1246995710 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nappa: "VEGETA! What does the scouter say about his power level?" < 1246995710 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vegeta: "IT'S OVER NINE THOUSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND!" *crushes scouter* < 1246995710 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nappa: WHAT, NINE THOUSAND!? < 1246995718 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shush < 1246995719 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qntm's is better < 1246995723 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a total transcript < 1246995730 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qntm? < 1246995736 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sam hughes < 1246995737 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quantum nano technology manager? < 1246995742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quantum < 1246995748 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://qntm.org/?9000 < 1246995782 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, that's a fun. < 1246995822 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1246995893 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The original is quite clearly "hassen ijou da". < 1246995922 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hussein is your dad. < 1246995937 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DBKai's version of it is evidently up at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9oVNvRSlVk for the interested. < 1246995949 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The relevant phrase being at 0:34 or thereabouts. < 1246995953 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My motherboard is starting to give up the ghost. YAY. < 1246995966 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You're obsessed with either over 9000 or Dragonball. < 1246995970 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently nine thousand isn't even all that much nowadays. (Source: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PowerLevels ) < 1246995981 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-42-158.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1246995985 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: also, how is that a remake? it looks exactly the same. < 1246996000 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. says hd remastered. < 1246996017 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they removed some scenes to make it shorter and more in line with the manga. < 1246996106 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm mostly obsessed with accuracy. Your 1000s just reminded me. But I do know quite a bit more about Dragonball than most. < 1246996122 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you admit that? < 1246996134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know a bit more about child pornography than most. < 1246996138 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know a bit more about rape techniques than most. < 1246996145 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know a bit more about assassinating the president than most. < 1246996164 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mind admitting I have esoteric knowledge. Especially on #esoteric. < 1246996172 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :…strangely, while I have no qualms about putting those in that template, I can't bring myself to put in things like "Dragonball" < 1246996177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I tried. My hands seize up.) < 1246996231 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish ais523 logread. < 1246996236 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"One thing I found puzzling was that the Brits consistently apologized for and/or denigrated Birmingham." < 1246996241 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :—Bruce Eckel, http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=261930 < 1246996323 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what other things 'like "Dragonball"' < 1246996329 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some examples? < 1246996345 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Scat porn" works. < 1246996351 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1246996356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aduberatatatado! < 1246996358 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's so bad about Dragonball vis-à-vis child porn anyway < 1246996359 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Abababababababada < 1246996366 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rutanaloobeedoobeedoo < 1246996367 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, was wondering that too < 1246996371 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've fairly sure i know more than most about all of those. < 1246996374 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*i'm < 1246996374 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Aren't they synonyms anyway?-) < 1246996380 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what about inserting C++ there? < 1246996384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was re 19:48 fizzie: And you admit that? < 1246996386 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you manage it? < 1246996391 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quite, no. In fact, not at all. :-P < 1246996401 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: as much as it pains me to admit it, it's possible I'm going to willingly use C++ for something < 1246996411 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Odd. Why? < 1246996420 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what Deewiant said... < 1246996447 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what about "Plain English"? I think it would be true too. Sadly. < 1246996455 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: game engine type stuff; lots of OOP stuff so not e.g. C, but needs a lot of assured speed and control over purity, so not e.g. Haskell < 1246996465 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cough*D*cough* < 1246996474 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, toolchain etc. < 1246996475 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: i'd rather vomit < 1246996477 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1246996491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gc would be quite nice but it's not really vital so < 1246996500 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, are you going to work on a game engine? You know there are many good open source 3D engines already that can handle both directx and opengl? < 1246996502 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am going to add a custom scripting language to it so i might just add refcounting to my object infrastructure < 1246996507 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irrlight comes to mind < 1246996508 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Wasn't there some sort of censorship thing about DBZ Finnish translation release? Or was it some other manga thing? < 1246996513 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what fun's that? < 1246996518 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the other one < 1246996518 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want something i can tweak < 1246996522 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: *cough* Haskell speed ~= C speed. < 1246996523 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crystalspace or something like that < 1246996533 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1246996536 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Possibly... rings a bell but I can't remember any details < 1246996538 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: under ideal circumstances; but I also need a ton of libraries for shit Haskell doesn't really have a lot of < 1246996542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :glut and the like < 1246996546 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd be in IO 90% of the time anyway < 1246996552 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, could you insert "D" there instead of "C++"? ;P < 1246996555 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Doesn't Haskell have glut bindings? < 1246996555 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: FFI (+ C/C++ bridges) < 1246996558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since a whole lot of game logic will be in the scripting language anyway < 1246996563 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, it does. < 1246996564 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know I saw one in Hackage. < 1246996572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:55 AnMaster: ehird, could you insert "D" there instead of "C++"? ;P < 1246996572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :→ < 1246996574 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:54 Deewiant: *cough*D*cough* < 1246996576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:54 Deewiant: But yeah, toolchain etc. < 1246996578 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:54 ehird: Deewiant: i'd rather vomit < 1246996579 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, cya < 1246996580 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate D as a language, also. < 1246996582 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More than C++. < 1246996586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :→ as in transition < 1246996588 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erlang has opengl bindings btw. Just in case anyone wants it... < 1246996589 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Odd. Why? < 1246996602 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: So, I am actually getting that new system. < 1246996602 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is even a 3D editor using them < 1246996605 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: it's a gigantic hodgepodge < 1246996610 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Despite being a hodgepodgey mess I find it cleaner than C++. < 1246996610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: THE $80K ONE? AWESOME! < 1246996611 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1246996612 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1246996613 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :polygon only (no NURBS) < 1246996619 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: No. < 1246996622 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I mean, really. C++ isn't? < 1246996634 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: i'm gonna be conservative in my use of C++ features, and at least it's a mess with a good toolchain < 1246996649 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that's true < 1246996654 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the D toolchain definitely sucks < 1246996664 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even Deewiant has to admit that < 1246996673 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did < 1246996690 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a royal bitch to get set up, yes. < 1246996692 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, try inserting asm then < 1246996699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: wat < 1246996703 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1246996711 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I know a bit more about assembler than most. < 1246996715 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that < 1246996727 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1246996730 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i do < 1246996736 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more than most people in the world < 1246996736 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok < 1246996748 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably more than most people who have heard what assembly is < 1246996757 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not more than most people who've written a program in asm < 1246996770 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Once you've done it a few times it's not really much trouble at all, though. (On *nix. Windows is always a pain, but then it is so for almost any language.) < 1246996783 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you couldn't bring yourself to insert the phrase "D" there? Nor "dragonball"? What about other things on D? Maybe you have some sort of phobia against the letter D in that context? < 1246996795 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's what you meant? < 1246996801 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes < 1246996803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought "remove C++ from the project and insert D" < 1246996807 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1246996812 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It's a consistent bitch on x86_64. < 1246996826 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it *building* is a a gamble. < 1246996826 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: How so? < 1246996830 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on x86-64. < 1246996830 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, remember that "wrong file, right line number" in debug info? < 1246996832 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rest my case. < 1246996838 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What case? < 1246996845 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1246996851 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about toolchain being shit < 1246996854 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Random remarks don't constitute a case < 1246996862 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought we'd settled that already < 1246996864 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is shit < 1246996877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, gmail isn't beta any more < 1246996880 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who was remarking on that yesterday? < 1246996901 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: LDC builds quite cleanly on x86-64. < 1246996926 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DMD and co I run in a 32-bit chroot like other 32-bit stuff. < 1246997080 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like inventing practical esolangs. < 1246997335 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm? examples? < 1246997342 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :befunge is probably one of the most practical ones < 1246997350 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also make sure you don't stray into DSLs < 1246997354 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, an odd language designed for a practical purpose. < 1246997367 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a DSL out of context can easily look like an esolang and vice verse. < 1246997374 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhh < 1246997375 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1246997380 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :practical eoslangs that is < 1246997388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing related < 1246997453 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, sed is a special purpose language. If you never seen it before and then see an example of it used to implement a calculator (+-/* and square root) you would probably think "this is an esolang" < 1246997462 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is what I meant < 1246997481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :welllll < 1246997481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1246997501 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course this doesn't apply to for example malbolge, you can't mistake it as a dsl < 1246997524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but some of those rewriting ones could probably be mistaken unless I misremember < 1246997528 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thue maybe? < 1246997535 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if anyone uses the extension .c++ < 1246997541 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody seems to, prolly cause of windows < 1246997545 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I have seen that < 1246997551 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? where? < 1246997551 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some open source project < 1246997553 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ should work on windows < 1246997559 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: it's invalid in filenames isnt it < 1246997562 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*isn't < 1246997567 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, a year or two ago at least. Don't remember which open source project < 1246997576 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: My statement was implying that I don't think it is. < 1246997578 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia's [[C++]] doesn't cover the file extension issue < 1246997581 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a travesty < 1246997583 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, .C .cc .CC .cxx are more common though < 1246997583 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be. < 1246997584 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: hmm kay < 1246997587 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the former one is nasty < 1246997590 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure it's invalid < 1246997591 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: see your pm btw. < 1246997597 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was both foo.c and foo.C < 1246997601 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the same directory < 1246997603 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the former one sucks on case insensitive filesystems like HFS :p < 1246997605 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*HFS+ < 1246997606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: agh! < 1246997609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate it when that happens < 1246997611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't unpack ;( < 1246997614 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*:( < 1246997618 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: .cpp is quite common < 1246997619 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, can't you manually fix it < 1246997620 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.cxx isn't < 1246997620 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_name doesn't appear to mention +. < 1246997621 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or tell me here that you won't answer in pm < 1246997622 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, right < 1246997629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.cc / .cpp > .cxx i would say for popularity < 1246997633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: also, i can but it's a pain < 1246997656 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say .cpp >> .cc > .cxx < 1246997662 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah prolly < 1246997666 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1246997669 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it should be used more IMO < 1246997675 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.cxx is ugly. < 1246997676 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use .cc personally < 1246997677 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x isn't +. < 1246997681 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't POSIX mandate case sensitive file systems < 1246997687 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i don't think so. < 1246997691 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1246997701 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd say, ideally it'd be .c++, failing that, prolly .cpp, then .cc, then .cxx < 1246997708 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.c++ and .cpp are logical, .cc, .cxx and .C aren't < 1246997714 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.cc seems quite common < 1246997720 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, we need to take into account headers < 1246997723 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.cpp is ugly just like .cxx < 1246997723 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never seen .hh < 1246997730 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people just use .h or .hpp < 1246997730 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use .hh also < 1246997731 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I have seen .hh < 1246997732 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or .hxx < 1246997733 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used .cc/.hh. < 1246997733 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously < 1246997734 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay < 1246997737 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and .hxx < 1246997737 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly rare though < 1246997745 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, never seen .H though... < 1246997752 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.hpp is the most common special h naming i've seen < 1246997756 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which lends more credence to .cpp too < 1246997757 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :glioooooo < 1246997760 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, .hpp and .hxx < 1246997761 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.h is more common though < 1246997761 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1246997763 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O dpm < 1246997764 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll ask stroustru < 1246997764 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :p < 1246997767 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe he has an opinion. < 1246997768 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ? < 1246997779 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: shift typo < 1246997783 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. hands rested one letter off < 1246997787 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Then I gave up. < 1246997800 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I'd say .hpp > .h > .hxx > .hh < 1246997811 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like .o < 1246997817 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.research.att.com/~bs/pronounciation.wav strchstruwp < 1246997818 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd flip .h and .hpp < 1246997828 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.h is undesirable. < 1246997830 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you do that, do .c too! < 1246997841 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's quite common, too. < 1246997847 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :............... < 1246997850 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :srsly? < 1246997854 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : O dpm <-- shifted to "I son"? < 1246997858 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1246997865 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, son. < 1246997867 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :son of who? < 1246997870 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I don". < 1246997875 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1246997879 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don: are you? < 1246997887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so the d was unshifted < 1246997899 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: String char string unsigned word pointer, in MS-speak. :P < 1246997900 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was just the right hand that was off-by-one. And the ' in the fi layout is next to enter, which is what I tried to press next. < 1246997911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: wat < 1246997915 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, I mean, I tried ' but it came out as an enter. < 1246997920 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :' < 1246997921 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, best way would be .C and .H clearly < 1246997924 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DID BOTH < 1246997924 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're Hungarian. < 1246997930 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: best way would be .c++ and .h++ < 1246997933 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.C/.H makes no sense < 1246997944 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ok, .c++ and .h++ would be better < 1246997948 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I never see .h++ < 1246997949 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever < 1246997954 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.c++ yes < 1246997955 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never see .c++ either < 1246997962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, anyone got a windows box? < 1246997964 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see if .c++ works < 1246997965 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did see .c++, I think paired with .h < 1246997971 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some FOSS < 1246997987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, where is oerjan when you need him < 1246997996 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: his computer crashed :) < 1246998005 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, heh < 1246998006 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't be bothered to reboot just for that < 1246998009 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to MSDN it should work: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa365247(VS.85).aspx < 1246998021 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: set up a vm pointed at the windows partition < 1246998022 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Please link to the low-bandwidth one < 1246998022 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reserved ones are < > : " / \ | ? *. < 1246998034 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa365247(VS.85,loband).aspx < 1246998034 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Too much of a pain. < 1246998036 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, you wanted fizzie < 1246998042 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cheers < 1246998062 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't seem to find a link to that, just the printer-friendly thing. < 1246998072 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, there it is. < 1246998098 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm not going to link to it! Ha ha! < 1246998109 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO < 1246998132 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[See my C++0x FAQ. The aim is for the 'x' in C++0x to become '9': C++09, rather than (say) C++0xA (hexadecimal :-).]] < 1246998133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that worked well < 1246998244 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course there's the catch-all "Any other character that the target file system does not allow". And in fact the FAT short-name can't contain a +: "The following special characters are also allowed: $ % ' - _ @ ~ ` ! ( ) { } ^ # &" (does not include +). < 1246998272 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the long-name can contain any of + , ; = [ ] too. And I guess NTFS is a bit more flexible. < 1246998275 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: You commented about big pages, btw; MSDN reminded me of that. www.fox.com is at 1.46 MB (and still waiting for something, it seems) according to Firebug. < 1246998294 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I question why you'd want to load fox.com < 1246998298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But anyway, that's multiple things < 1246998301 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You won't get a timeout < 1246998305 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just some broken images and stuff < 1246998331 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but if you're browsing two things at once the other might timeout. < 1246998344 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care whether it's strictly part of the page, just how much it stresses the connection. < 1246998372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1246998375 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, fox.com was just an example, I figured it'd be pretty huge. < 1246998472 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually tried cnn.com first but it consistently hangs my whole browser. < 1246998571 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1246998705 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It did respond to Ctrl-W, though.) < 1246998792 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoo. Seems today was a really good time to get stuff from Newegg. < 1246998819 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phenom? Screw that; a Phenom II FTW. < 1246998842 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Buy FIVE MILLION of them. < 1246998847 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Also, DDR3 prices are near DDR2 now. < 1246998860 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, AM2+ motherboard was still cheaper. < 1246998860 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mayhaps you could get 2x2GB of DDR3 on the cheap, I think. < 1246998868 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poor you :P < 1246998874 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's "near" here < 1246998882 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: "Almost as low as" < 1246998883 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Only twice"? < 1246998891 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, they've improved very rapidly < 1246998900 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: $42 bucks off in total. < 1246998904 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Numbers, please. Preferably ones that have something to do with their relative prices. < 1246998906 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: 2GB for $27.99 of DDR3. < 1246998925 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, I can get $27.99 of DDR3‽ < 1246998930 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lawl < 1246998954 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have over 6 times that of DDR2 < 1246998960 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Lowest 2GB cost on newegg is $21.99; the DDR3 I was talking about was Crucial - a respected brand. < 1246998962 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm doing good, I guess < 1246998964 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The lowest DDR2? "Allcomponents". < 1246998974 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never heard of Crucial. < 1246998976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looking further, you're saving just a few dollars. < 1246998979 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: they're huge... < 1246998989 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Outside the Commonwealth? :-P < 1246998992 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have here an old laptop I'd like a 1 gigabyte so-dimm for; but it eats DDR1 only, and for some reason a 1-gigabyte DDR1 thing is approximately 40€, while a 1-gigabyte DDR2 so-dimm is ~13€. Around here. < 1246998993 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly in the "aftermarket memory upgrades" market < 1246999004 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: you have 8GB of ram right? < 1246999010 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1246999040 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: How much did it cost, and when? < 1246999077 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like 60-70 € twice, IIRC. It was on sale around... November? < 1246999104 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can get 4GB of DDR3 in 2x2 for $57.99; although you can save a whole cent by getting 2x2 separately = $57.98. 130 euros is $181. < 1246999121 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to have bought a 2-gigabyte DDR2 stick for 17.90 € in April 28th. < 1246999121 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$57.98 = 41.52 eur < 1246999130 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Crucial is well-respected and not over-priced. < 1246999144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 2GB of DDR3 = 20 euros < 1246999163 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This was, of course, Mushkin's Redline RAM and thus considered somewhat extraneously quality. < 1246999176 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was also approximately the cheapest DDR2 I could find, interestingly enough. < 1246999186 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Among brands that have names.) < 1246999190 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Interestingly, the clock speed and the like on DDR3 don't change Core i7 performance much out of synthetic benchmarks. < 1246999205 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think bsmntbombdood's 12GB of DDR3 RAM was like $200 < 1246999216 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps those synthetic benchmarks don't stress RAM! < 1246999220 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They did < 1246999226 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going from 256k of cache to 6M. < 1246999228 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I meant non-benchmarks don't change < 1246999240 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, all I'm sayin' is, if you have the mobo support, DDR3 is the only sane option. < 1246999247 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm getting 3 times the CPUs. And 4 times the RAM. < 1246999254 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: how much ram are you getting? < 1246999258 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My system's going to be modern again! < 1246999259 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, 3 times the cores < 1246999259 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: 4G. < 1246999260 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not cpus < 1246999279 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'd say DDR3 performance is worth $42, btw. < 1246999296 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd have to get a more expensive motherboard for that. < 1246999300 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :three times as much ram as number of cores? < 1246999304 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You said $42 more. < 1246999306 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1246999321 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Well yeah, if you have the mobo support DDR3 is your only option. :-P < 1246999326 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Uh, no. < 1246999329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AM3 mobos support both. < 1246999331 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: No, I'm saying it was a total of $42 off, because the CPU was marked down by $30 and the motherboard by $10. < 1246999332 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or are there DDR2+3 boards these days. < 1246999332 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is the relevant case for pikhq. < 1246999333 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. < 1246999337 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the RAM by $2. < 1246999338 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Ah. < 1246999344 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ^ < 1246999344 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What is your mobo+RAM costing you? < 1246999357 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really shouldn't talk about hardware when I haven't been researching it recently. < 1246999376 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Maybe $100? < 1246999383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Look at the prices, plz :P < 1246999409 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nein. < 1246999432 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'm just trying to prove that DDR3 wouldn't actually add much cost at all to your system. < 1246999442 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever. < 1246999472 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: $133.97 for 4GB of DDR3 RAM and a supporting AM3 mobo. < 1246999490 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your loss :-P < 1246999496 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. More but not much more. < 1246999507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...which can't be said about the performance. < 1246999513 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*smoooooooth* < 1246999522 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Uh, rephrase that more... positively) < 1246999577 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Deewiant: fizzie: New evidence in the C++ naming debate — apparently cfront used .cc < 1246999581 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure, though < 1246999656 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: FWIW, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813153149 and http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148149 x 2 < 1246999884 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how the extensions fit with Objective-C++ < 1246999887 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.mm is silly. < 1246999890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.mpp makes sense. < 1246999897 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.M is silly. < 1246999900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.mxx is really silly. < 1246999908 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, .mm or .mpp I guess < 1246999916 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's still down to .cc or .cpp in general < 1247000102 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the ".mmm, marabou" extension. < 1247000295 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what about .m? I remember also seeing .c for C++ < 1247000298 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously < 1247000307 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. < 1247000317 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was some shitty open source game < 1247000319 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.c for C++ is fairly common. < 1247000334 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1247000336 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And gcc breaks on that. < 1247000379 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In general I don't call on gcc for C++ source anyway. < 1247000386 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1247000396 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello AnMaster < 1247000400 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, not if you want it to work < 1247000407 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use -x or something iirc < 1247000411 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-x c++ maybe? < 1247000417 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-xlang c++, IIRC. < 1247000433 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err no < 1247000435 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man gcc < 1247000439 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agrees with me < 1247000449 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-x c++98 :-P < 1247000452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1247000453 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's -std= < 1247000454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignore me < 1247000455 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcj -x c++ foo.cxx should work < 1247000477 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for extra sillyness: gcj -x c++ -std=c++98 foo.cxx < 1247000481 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not quite sure < 1247000490 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it certainly works for gcc and g++ < 1247000494 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely ou mean GNAT < 1247000497 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*you < 1247000500 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JGNAT is a GNAT version that compiles from the Ada programming language to Java bytecode. < 1247000502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that too I guess... < 1247000503 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jgnat -x or whatever :P < 1247000520 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc GNAT is kind of special in general < 1247000526 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I never used it < 1247000573 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: his computer crashed :) <-- that hasn't happened in a long while. although occasionally it refuses to start, saying "Operating system not found" < 1247000578 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1247000584 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: can you name a file butt.c++ ? < 1247000591 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not necessarily butt < 1247000593 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If he's on NTFS, he can. < 1247000627 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If he's on FAT32, he should be able too, as long as he doesn't care that the underlying 8.3-format short-name won't have a + there. < 1247000628 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1247000647 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C: is NTFS < 1247000656 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, FAT, I guess. < 1247000671 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Non-8.3 on FAT is evil. < 1247000759 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: tell that to ais523 < 1247000772 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: did it work? < 1247000777 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer UMSDOS. < 1247000795 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh i hate const correctness < 1247000810 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(FAT with extra metadata to make it magically be proper UNIX) < 1247000821 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shame it's not in 2.6. < 1247000831 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yes, yes < 1247000841 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what i meant by "sure" < 1247000850 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm you don't have to write "return 0;" in c++ < 1247000853 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess c99 stole that < 1247000856 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder if it's "best practice" < 1247000907 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell return 0 :: [Rational] < 1247000909 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[0%1] < 1247000981 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1247001001 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : and having a function combine < 1247001020 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka liftM2 (,) < 1247001038 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1247001040 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that from < 1247001066 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell liftM2 (,) [2,7] [2,7] < 1247001070 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : and having a function combine < 1247001072 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's this from < 1247001085 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell import Control.Monad; main=print$liftM2 (,) [2,7] [2,7] < 1247001087 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[(2,2),(2,7),(7,2),(7,7)] < 1247001099 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tellll meeeeeeeee oerjan < 1247001143 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a discussion on stupid factorization in the logs, iiuc < 1247001154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1247001156 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*prime testing < 1247001181 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Factorization, actually. < 1247001236 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: btw your solution to euler #1 is much longer than needs be < 1247001253 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also list comprehensions are probably clearer for beginners < 1247001306 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1247001308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what it was < 1247001317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme find the code < 1247001319 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hum? < 1247001329 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wasn't commenting on your comment, btw < 1247001339 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Yeah. < 1247001343 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: here — < 1247001344 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sec) < 1247001348 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but list comprehensions may be a good bet anyhow ;D < 1247001361 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sum [n | n <- [1..1000-1], n `mod` 5 == 0 || n `mod` 3 == 0] < 1247001380 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of my filtering stuff. < 1247001386 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[|] IS filtering stuff < 1247001392 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1247001400 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yours filters through [1..] to find the answer or something, which is bizarre < 1247001401 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not using the filter function, though. < 1247001403 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also 1000-1 is bizarre < 1247001405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make it [1..99] < 1247001409 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yes it does < 1247001411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :concatMap is isomorphic < 1247001414 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Filters [1..999]. < 1247001416 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also, < 1247001422 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[n | n <- blah, a] < 1247001422 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :main = print $ sum (filter (\x -> x `mod` 3 == 0 || x `mod` 5 == 0) [1..999]) < 1247001423 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a is filtered < 1247001424 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1000-1 isn't bizarre < 1247001424 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's my solution. < 1247001429 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1247001432 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell sum [n | n <- [1..999], 0 `elem` map (n `mod`) [3,5]] < 1247001433 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :233168 < 1247001437 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: that wasn't what you said first < 1247001450 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :main = print . sum . filter (\x -> x `mod` 3 == 0 || x `mod` 5 == 0) $ [1..999] < 1247001451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is better style < 1247001452 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... You're thinking of something different. < 1247001452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw < 1247001470 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: his computer crashed :) <-- that hasn't happened in a long while. although occasionally it refuses to start, saying "Operating system not found" <-- how do you fix that when it happens? < 1247001478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reboots, I assume < 1247001486 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1247001501 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very intermittent < 1247001516 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, sounds like harddrive issues, if bootloader can't find the OS < 1247001518 0 :zid!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1247001519 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a strange error to get intermittently < 1247001521 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1247001522 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+/~.(3*i.334),5*i.200 < 1247001522 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope you have backups < 1247001524 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :—j solution < 1247001534 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I seriously hope you have backups... < 1247001535 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it only seems to happen at booting < 1247001551 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I suspect it is due to a harddrive that is nearing it's end of life < 1247001559 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatively, some BIOS bug < 1247001567 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has happened occasionally since i got the computer :D < 1247001569 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my computer has started sparkling and smoking < 1247001573 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hm ok < 1247001581 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 3 years old now < 1247001593 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklodok, shut it off and unplug everthing? < 1247001605 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no just occasionally when i lift it < 1247001606 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and stand ready with something to put out any fire < 1247001618 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklodok, err. lift it while running? It is a laptop then? < 1247001638 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while it is* < 1247001642 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't mind it, except i guess i am a bit afraid of leaving it alone. < 1247001652 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1247001655 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklodok, is it a laptop? < 1247001663 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to put vlc on fullscreen if i don't touch the computer for half an hour, or it crashes < 1247001669 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's another fun thing about this < 1247001670 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err what < 1247001682 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you heard it < 1247001686 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklodok, sounds like it crashes when screen blanking? < 1247001687 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes laptop < 1247001689 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that correct? < 1247001691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: also "sum [3,6..999] + sum [5,10..999] - sum [15,30..999]" < 1247001693 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or goes to sleep < 1247001693 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a fun solution < 1247001696 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or similar < 1247001703 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interestingly, the most impressive solution is in PHP. < 1247001707 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$x = 1000; < 1247001708 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo 1.5*(int)(($x-1)/3)*(int)(($x+2)/3) + 2.5*(int)(($x-1)/5)*(int)(($x+4)/5) - 7.5*(int)(($x-1)/15)*(int)(($x+14)/15); < 1247001710 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklodok, because vlc in full screen mode would prevent sleep and screen blanking < 1247001710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using that wacky formula thing < 1247001716 0 :zid!n=zid@zid-1-pt.tunnel.tserv5.lon1.ipv6.he.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1247001718 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it crashes, can't do anything anymore, have to reboot. < 1247001723 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so theory is that one of them cause it to crash < 1247001749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklodok, right, but does it crash in the moment it is about to turn of the monitor due to inactivity or such? < 1247001759 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or put disks into stand-by mode < 1247001759 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't do that < 1247001764 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've turned all those features off < 1247001771 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok < 1247001786 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so something like that, but something vista doesn't explicitly let you control < 1247001799 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which fullscreen disables anyway < 1247001803 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what is that formula supposed to do? < 1247001811 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: see euler problem 1. < 1247001867 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um ok < 1247001874 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where are solutions listed then? < 1247001901 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to solve it first. < 1247001910 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Nice solution. < 1247001910 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, have to create an account and so on then < 1247001929 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, you have to take two seconds to choose a username and password. < 1247001931 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the horror. < 1247001938 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I don't understand how that formula solves that problem. Does anyone? < 1247001947 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and then solve the problems too < 1247001957 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Anyone who knows mathematics, yes. Also, oh god, you have to "Find the sum of all the multiples of 3 or 5 below 1000." < 1247001957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure I can solve that first one at least easily enough < 1247001958 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Impossible. < 1247001961 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How could we do it?! < 1247001964 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iterating and doing it right < 1247001974 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, just too lazy < 1247001977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iterating? Fail. < 1247001986 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it would be one way to solve it < 1247001992 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a number of easier ways of doing it. < 1247001996 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats ehird -----### < 1247002000 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, googling? < 1247002000 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be a very stupid way. Iteration is almost always retarded. < 1247002029 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iterating to 1000 is kinda overkill yeah < 1247002045 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: now you're just trolling. even i used iteration, even though i perfectly well know how to calculate triangle numbers < 1247002047 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take the list of numbers below 1000. Remove all those that aren't multiples of 3 or 5. Add up. < 1247002047 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a sum plus a filter. < 1247002050 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig deaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaal < 1247002054 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, summing a list implies some sort of iteration. Even if it is hidden as a sum function < 1247002060 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you used a for loop? < 1247002062 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this in haskell? < 1247002067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd say that's terribly stupid of you if so. < 1247002076 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i consider sum [...] to be iteration < 1247002083 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think oerjan was thinking a different kinda iteration < 1247002083 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i can just as easily say that a foor loop is a gloss over a filter. < 1247002085 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1247002088 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc would compile it down to iteration anyway < 1247002095 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, could say that < 1247002095 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you say it your way because you are cpu-biased < 1247002098 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(even though i use hugs) < 1247002098 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's theoretically bullshit < 1247002107 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a functional expression isn't fundamentally an iteration < 1247002127 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what sort of computer doesn't implement it through iteration < 1247002139 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sum [] = 0;sum (x:xs) = x + sum xs -- I didn't realise that was iteration. < 1247002144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ooh, I'd love to see you across history < 1247002150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"what sort of flying machine doesn't do it by being lighter than air" < 1247002160 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore, the airplane is bunk. QED. < 1247002165 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I meant current ones < 1247002166 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: point is you can implement it without any iteration < 1247002169 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can calculate it < 1247002174 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, are there any examples of it < 1247002177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i'm sure you'd have said that when the wright brothers started too < 1247002184 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's still the exact same algorithm < 1247002187 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure it might be theoretically possible in the future < 1247002191 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just less explicit ordering of the computations < 1247002195 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just asking, does any such example exist today < 1247002198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop trolling ehird < 1247002212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're very stupid AnMaster. i'm surprised you program in anything but machine code. < 1247002222 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...? < 1247002242 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fail to see how you think this insult would make sense. < 1247002244 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hands out some drama queen crowns |\/\/| |\/\/| < 1247002255 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want one tooooooo < 1247002265 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then |\/\/| < 1247002271 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BIGGER < 1247002276 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... < 1247002276 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only thing I'm asking is if there is any current computer that sums a list through anything but iteration < 1247002282 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i need to sleep now < 1247002303 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Itanium. < 1247002309 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could of course use for example vector instructions to sum chunks at a time < 1247002330 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, details? < 1247002336 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use binary branching too < 1247002345 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc you can load 4 32-bit integers in a SSE register and sum them. but what if you have an array not fitting in your vector unit, whatever size it is. < 1247002352 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's got somewhat silly vector instructions. < 1247002377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yes, but tell me of this case that doesn't need iteration to do it < 1247002391 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, binary branching? < 1247002422 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1247002429 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sum each half recursively, then combining < 1247002435 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for arrays anyway < 1247002448 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, right, Like mergesum? < 1247002458 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that's what it's called < 1247002476 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, [1 | True] is [1]. I wonder what source it calls. < 1247002476 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1247002478 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, don't know. But isn't mergesort basically the same? "sort each half, then combine" < 1247002480 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, sorry. It still iterates. It just does so in parallel. < 1247002485 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the same for summing... < 1247002488 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With vector operations. < 1247002493 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, right < 1247002524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could maybe use summing memory < 1247002546 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: sure < 1247002568 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like CAM but with hardware to sum all in parallel instead of hardware to match all in parallel < 1247002574 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1247002588 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing that would however be rather silly < 1247002590 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1247002591 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: we managed to get lambdabot to calculate bigger factorials by using that method with products < 1247002620 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, which method do you mean? < 1247002634 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds familiar < 1247002637 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi AnMaster < 1247002639 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't remmeber details < 1247002644 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember* < 1247002646 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :recursing and combining < 1247002650 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1247002657 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it obviously works for any associative operation < 1247002680 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, sounds like memoising(sp?) < 1247002689 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: good grief no < 1247002690 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not memoizing at all. < 1247002696 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf made you think that < 1247002703 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not thinking clearly < 1247002710 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was mixing things up < 1247002714 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't say < 1247002731 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just because it is better to multiply numbers of approximately equal magnitude, than to multiply large numbers by lots of small ones < 1247002745 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hm why is that? < 1247002747 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so thus splitting up a factorial makes it faster < 1247002750 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for floating point yes < 1247002754 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but were you using that? < 1247002757 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, for bignums < 1247002777 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ah hm, maybe there is a reason for that. I don't know how bignums are implemented < 1247002783 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we were using ordinary ghc Integers. i think it uses ... damn memory < 1247002795 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the gnu library < 1247002815 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GMP? < 1247002815 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gmp < 1247002818 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1247002835 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it uses fast fourier transforms for really big numbers < 1247002847 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. black magic to me < 1247002864 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i'm not sure that applies much to this case < 1247002865 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what a slow fourier transforms would be < 1247002884 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/a/ < 1247002888 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of bignum < 1247002888 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1247002892 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.catonmat.net/blog/on-the-linear-time-algorithm-for-finding-fibonacci-numbers/ < 1247002894 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good post < 1247002929 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are five multiplication algorithms; "Basecase", "Karatsuba", "Toom-3", "Toom-4" and "FFT"; they're all chosen by thresholds on the size of the numbers involved. http://gmplib.org/manual/Multiplication-Algorithms.html has the details. < 1247002931 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we did something with fibonacci too < 1247002944 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Five in GMP, I mean. It is rather unlikely there would be no others. < 1247002964 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've always wanted something that's basically "like a float or a double if they were infinite" < 1247002969 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess Few Digits is basically that < 1247003112 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: there's some Computable Real library for haskell < 1247003130 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Few Digits < 1247003130 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those have some issues though, since comparison is undecidable < 1247003135 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was fixed < 1247003138 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Few Digits == CReal < 1247003141 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1247003144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2/3 :: CReal < 1247003150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1247003151 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no lambdabo < 1247003152 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1247003158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell print $ 2/3 :: CReal < 1247003162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell main = print $ 2/3 :: CReal < 1247003163 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grumble < 1247003170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no import i guess < 1247003182 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt EgoBot even has that library, but who knows < 1247003223 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot has a lot of extras < 1247003224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: can you ask gwern to put \bot in #esoteric again? i'd feel pushy :P < 1247003238 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not even in #haskell you know < 1247003245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1247003245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well enter. < 1247003248 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1247003254 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't been for a year or so < 1247003260 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? < 1247003301 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too much talk < 1247003338 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude Graphics.Gnuplot.Simple> plotFunc [] [0,0.1..10] sin < 1247003339 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^_^ < 1247003350 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Throw out yer Maxima! Throw out yer MATLAB! < 1247003370 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that Haskell for Maths thing + cabal install gnuplot -fsplitBase -fexecutePipe < 1247003371 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1247003402 0 :AnMaster_!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1247003420 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1247003422 0 :AnMaster_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :AnMaster < 1247003454 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : we did something with fibonacci too < 1247003456 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did I miss? < 1247003463 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing < 1247003465 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: privmsg gwern then? :P < 1247003467 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: loads < 1247003468 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :much? < 1247003477 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1247003479 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use tunes, bitch < 1247003524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anything directed at me? < 1247003526 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1247003534 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't care enough :P < 1247003557 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan finally expressed his gayness by proposing to yo. < 1247003558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you < 1247003564 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: computable reals in haskell < 1247003574 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if anyone wanted something important to me they can just say it again. < 1247003586 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and bitching about lambdabot not being here to test it < 1247003603 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ehird nagging to have _me_ ask them, when he is the current regular < 1247003606 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suuuure... < 1247003614 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and oerjan proposing to AnMaster < 1247003644 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1247003645 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION asks < 1247003646 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, why did that bot leave btw? < 1247003649 0 :amuck_!n=amuck__@76.79.44.2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1247003650 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also why not test it locally < 1247003650 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it crashed < 1247003655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1247003657 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a #haskeller already! < 1247003659 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it sometimes crashes < 1247003666 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, suuuuuuuuuuuuure.... < 1247003667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: installing few digits involves darcs and also it's easier. < 1247003676 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, AnMaster has a new thing: it's saying "suuuuuuuuuuuuure". < 1247003680 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn lag < 1247003704 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: if it's still like when i was there, it has something like a memory leak issue that no one could find < 1247003708 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, crashing is a side effect ;P < 1247003720 0 :randomity!i=mu@spoon.netsoc.tcd.ie JOIN :#esoteric < 1247003726 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you need a monad for crashing or somehting < 1247003732 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then it has been extensively changed, at least the @run part iiuc < 1247003740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how come #haskellers always come in here in droves when I just mention #esoteic in there < 1247003744 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan finally expressed his gayness by proposing to yo. < 1247003746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's mueval now. < 1247003756 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : you < 1247003757 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you forgot my correction! < 1247003760 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : suuuure... < 1247003762 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[...] < 1247003762 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1247003764 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : and oerjan proposing to AnMaster < 1247003766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ehird, suuuuuuuuuuuuure.... < 1247003768 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Ping reply from oerjan: 57.94 second(s) <-- btw < 1247003782 0 :randomity!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're all searching for a language that's harder to learn than haskell. #esoteric seems like a natural choice... < 1247003787 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: and it no longer gives nice error messages for runtime errors, i noticed < 1247003796 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, isn't Haskell supposed to have a GC?... < 1247003799 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well some errors anyway < 1247003810 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not if it spawns processes that leak... < 1247003819 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: GC doesn't prevent all memory leaks < 1247003826 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..? < 1247003838 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: you forgot my correction! < 1247003840 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh. < 1247003842 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ..? < 1247003844 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1247003846 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lag is so bad I'm over a minute out of sync < 1247003855 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop talking until it fixes then < 1247003863 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: If you keep a reference to it but never use it. < 1247003864 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :talking to anyone here would be faster using telegram! < 1247003866 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :randomity, INTERCAL < 1247003880 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: telegram? < 1247003886 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :randomity: Haskell was probably the hardest language to learn that I know. < 1247003887 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt that would be faster than IRC < 1247003892 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: GC doesn't prevent all memory leaks <-- true < 1247003893 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: #haskell is full of droves, obviously they come < 1247003901 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you /can/ send telegrams nowadays, although I'm not entirely sure how they're deliveired < 1247003904 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, I don't know IINTERCAL. < 1247003904 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm still lagging badly < 1247003905 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INTERCAL is easy < 1247003912 0 :randomity!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :malbolge is not < 1247003914 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it is harder to learn than Haskell, though, IMO < 1247003919 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :randomity: i was about to say that < 1247003924 0 :randomity!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehehe < 1247003926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're not a cryptographer, malbolge is the hardest, prolly < 1247003928 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't say that Malbolge is learnt at all, more cryptanalysed < 1247003930 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no way < 1247003934 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :intercal is just weird < 1247003938 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell has a bunch of mind-changers < 1247003940 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, waiting for bouncer to join over 60 channels with freenode's rate limiting? Very funny < 1247003952 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: well, I found Haskell easier to learn than INTERCAL < 1247003953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you have nobody to blame but yourself. < 1247003966 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telegram#Worldwide_discontinuance_of_telegrams lists a rather sorry state of affairs. < 1247003976 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: telegram? I doubt that would be faster than IRC <-- I feel for ehird. Sometimes. < 1247003978 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Ping reply from oerjan: 70.49 second(s) < 1247003979 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You must love functions. < 1247003987 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I do < 1247003990 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :randomity: C++. < 1247004001 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody knows all of C++. :P < 1247004005 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: disagree, C++ is easy to learn, just hard to learn well < 1247004010 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I blame freenode < 1247004012 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how i should represent irrationals < 1247004018 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, on other servers it is done much much faster < 1247004020 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: A subset of C++ is easy to learn. < 1247004035 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the commonly used subset of the language. < 1247004038 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is just that freenode's rate limiting sucks so much < 1247004055 0 :Associat0r!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1247004061 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want some mind-warping, do functional programming with the type system. < 1247004078 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I still guarantee you, freenode is faster than telegrams < 1247004094 0 :randomity!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: that's horrible and broken < 1247004094 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Hippasus, however, was not lauded for his efforts: according to one legend, he made his discovery while out at sea, and was subsequently thrown overboard by his fellow Pythagoreans “…for having produced an element in the universe which denied the…doctrine that all phenomena in the universe can be reduced to whole numbers and their ratios.”]] < 1247004094 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even sure who handles telegrams nowadays; possibly the postal service < 1247004098 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :old mathematics are hilarious < 1247004102 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :randomity: As is the rest of C++. < 1247004109 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once they've been sent to near their destination electronically < 1247004115 0 :randomity!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like haskell, without closures, where lambda is template struct { typedef ... } < 1247004134 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :randomity: unlambda is harder than INTERCAL, but not as hard as Malbolge. in my opinion. < 1247004146 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not that i've programmed in malbolge) < 1247004156 0 :randomity!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people don't program in malbolge < 1247004168 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it is joining over 70 channels < 1247004170 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact < 1247004172 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlambda's not all that hard to learn. Hard to use well, perhaps, but it is just combinators. < 1247004184 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made a variant though. not that anyone has programmed that either. < 1247004190 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I invite you to #feather-lang btw :P < 1247004200 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, people don't program in Malbolge. < 1247004216 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They do genetic programming for it. < 1247004225 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: wrong < 1247004228 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just ac < 1247004234 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plenty of people since have written in it < 1247004240 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one guy mastered it by poking it with a stick < 1247004246 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1247004248 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two other people basically cryptanalyzed it < 1247004252 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm scared now. < 1247004262 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: there IS a looping 99 bottles of beer in it y'know < 1247004269 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :written manually < 1247004302 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay lag is gone < 1247004304 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally < 1247004313 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about 15 minutes later. < 1247004314 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: non-cooke material: http://www.lscheffer.com/malbolge.shtml, http://www.99-bottles-of-beer.net/language-malbolge-995.html < 1247004317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Malbolge_programming < 1247004320 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ^ < 1247004325 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure telegram would be slower? < 1247004332 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme find the second person to do it < 1247004348 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.antwon.com/index.php?p=234, darn it disappeared < 1247004356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey there, party people. This is Antwon, checking in with his new and exciting web server from whence he can resurrect the full antwon.com experience. < 1247004356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As you may have noticed, all of those nifty goodies like "features" and "content" aren't exactly displaying at this point in time. At the moment, all of my umpteen bazillion posts are stored away in a singular XML file - awesome from a "I did not lose this content!" standpoint, but less so from a "people can actually read my hard-fought years of maniacal writing!" vantage. Rest assured that I am working on things and will get something together Real Soon < 1247004361 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Now(tm). < 1247004363 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, web.archive.org away. < 1247004386 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/823 < 1247004437 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reads discussion about Microsoft's announcement about Mono patents < 1247004447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: there's a compiler to malbolge apparently < 1247004448 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.is.nagoya-u.ac.jp/thesis/M2005/i/M350402019e.pdf < 1247004451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.sakabe.i.is.nagoya-u.ac.jp/~nishida/DB/pdf/iizawa05ss2005-22.pdf (japanese) < 1247004455 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: O.O < 1247004461 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from a C-like language < 1247004472 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm fucking frightened. < 1247004479 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the responses from the trolls to that were great < 1247004509 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they basically consisted of "that's not a legal promise!" (actually, it was), "they won't hit you, perhaps... instead they'll rape you!" (paraphrased…slightly), etc < 1247004522 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, there are only two issues that look legit: a) it doesn't cover several common libraries, only C# and .NET itself, and b) Microsoft could sell the patents to someone else, and the someone else could then sue < 1247004537 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a) doesn't matter for most mono apps due to using gtk# and stuff < 1247004541 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed < 1247004543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although asp.net mvc is kinda popular, whatever < 1247004552 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, I don't think Microsoft particularly care about Mono + GTK# < 1247004564 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all, it hardly lets people run Windows programs < 1247004571 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1247004578 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there isn't a windowsforms implementation either < 1247004583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so really, just asp.net is the issue < 1247004589 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not even an issue anyway < 1247004594 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people just like to complain :P < 1247004605 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :estoppel was mentioned in the reddit comments, so… < 1247004606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :estoppel < 1247004610 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm famous. < 1247004614 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, that's what point b) is about < 1247004620 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft is estopped, nobody else is though < 1247004684 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ciphersaber.gurus.org/WTCliberties.gif ← I want to make a motivational of this with just a title: "POLITICAL CARTOON" < 1247004695 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm pretty sure such a case would be rejected under estoppel anyway; isn't it vague? < 1247004714 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :estoppel: that would be a massive loophole < 1247004725 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh? < 1247004729 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I promised not to sue you for pirating someone else's music, that wouldn't stop the RIAA doing it < 1247004738 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1247004826 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1247004828 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this brings to mind that in norway at least you can put restrictions on what people can do with ground property, even when resold. isn't there anything similar in other countries? < 1247004832 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[On second glance, the C code is obviously just a Malbolge interpreter, so I guess there's not really anything useful to get from it (unless we can get it translated). --Rune 21:12, 1 Jun 2006 (UTC) ]] < 1247004835 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1247004837 0 :oklodok!n=nnscript@h028068.gprs.dnafinland.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1247004839 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1247004841 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklodok! < 1247004846 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're a glio duck. < 1247004847 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure if applies to anything but estate < 1247004850 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it < 1247004860 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, it's quite hard to be /obviously/ a Malbolge interpreter < 1247004870 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely nobody's memorized the encryption table? < 1247004881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"glio"? < 1247004882 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that < 1247004886 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without knowing that, it would be hard to tell if something was implementing Malbolge, or a similar language with different encryption < 1247004889 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`define glio < 1247004890 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1247004894 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it isn't < 1247004902 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to HackEgo, anyway < 1247004910 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: oklodok's pet word. be kind to it. < 1247004914 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1247004924 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[On second glance, the C code is obviously just a Malbolge interpreter, so I guess there's not really anything useful to get from it (unless we can get it translated). --Rune 21:12, 1 Jun 2006 (UTC) ]] <-- source of citation? < 1247004934 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolang. < 1247004948 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wiki page about malbolge? < 1247004970 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :talk. < 1247004976 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1247005050 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants a Malbolge self-interpreter. < 1247005060 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. Malbolge interpreter in Malbolge. < 1247005070 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o~ < 1247005084 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: finite memory < 1247005086 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, could only interpret a smaller program < 1247005090 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, impossible. < 1247005096 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Irrational number]] doesn't have any ideas for representation :( < 1247005100 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :estoppel, connect input to output < 1247005104 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. They made it arbitrarily finite. < 1247005105 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get a infinite queue < 1247005110 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: heh. < 1247005122 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :estoppel, I read about that somewhere else < 1247005126 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :talking about malbolge < 1247005147 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Malbolge + PSOX is Turing-complete. < 1247005156 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1247005168 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming you can do the relevant PSOX support code, that is. < 1247005176 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1247005193 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, can't you just use PSOX right away as it currently is? < 1247005213 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you misunderstood. < 1247005219 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly < 1247005229 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Malbolge* code to actually talk with PSOX. < 1247005235 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1247005245 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, well that should be possible in theory < 1247005253 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can fit it in the length of the program < 1247005264 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the tricky bit. < 1247005264 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc that is limited too < 1247005266 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow at this statistic: fine against Jammie Thomas per song copied = $84000; compensation for family of each person who died in the Air France crash = $24000 < 1247005286 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, crazy < 1247005290 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Average yearly income ~= $40,000. < 1247005305 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that fits well with the other two < 1247005306 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: the basic operations of malbolge are such that it is hard _not_ to make it arbitrarily finite. that's what i tried to fix in my Unshackled variant. < 1247005336 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: old, also false < 1247005340 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that $24,000 was the original payment < 1247005348 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more came/is coming later < 1247005355 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, ok < 1247005361 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's statistics, it doesn't have to be correct < 1247005397 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the program is loaded into memory, so same size bound < 1247005412 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes? I said that < 1247005423 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that it was bounded I mean < 1247005424 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't say the readon < 1247005426 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*reason < 1247005438 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I knew it, I just didn't spell it out. < 1247005463 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :food -> < 1247005481 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is there a way to represent the irrationals apart from as a computation (polynomials count as that) < 1247005483 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1247005626 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t frac < 1247005628 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1247005759 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some irrationals cannot be represented as computations >:) < 1247005785 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, ok, but they're useless :) < 1247005791 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: assume computable rationals < 1247005821 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The computable irrationals may only be represented as a computation or an infinite series of digits. < 1247005835 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in Haskell, of course, the two are equivalent. ;)) < 1247005848 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: problem with digits is you have to pick a base, and that sucks. < 1247005858 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, yes it does. < 1247005872 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and computations can't be compared. < 1247005890 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1247005905 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1247005908 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An infinite series of digits may be compared, but if they're equal, the comparison will never terminate. < 1247005925 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how does creal do it? < 1247005935 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says it don't but it do. < 1247005942 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :estoppel: oh. in that case use continued fractions. no base involved. < 1247005955 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Also the (==) function returns false if the two CReals are different, and does not terminate if the two CReals have the same value." < 1247005956 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1247005963 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1247005967 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it works in lambdabot < 1247005967 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit. < 1247005983 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm can continued fractions represent rationals? < 1247005992 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :estoppel: it may be using a cutoff? < 1247005999 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that would be Evil, I'm sure not. < 1247006007 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :estoppel: sure, they are _finite_ continued fractions < 1247006018 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's no continued fraction :D < 1247006032 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's infinite, actually. < 1247006049 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And an infinite number of them have 0 in the numerator. < 1247006050 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1247006052 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but (significand,exponent) is a bit more efficient than using continued fractions for rationals < 1247006059 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats pikhq -----### < 1247006136 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :estoppel: well you could use a mixed representation < 1247006142 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's so unclean :( < 1247006164 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well (significand,exponent) sucks anyway because it's quite close to picking a base < 1247006180 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it doesn't handle infinite-didget endowed rationals < 1247006184 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*digit < 1247006187 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgot now to spell digit... < 1247006221 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm rationals don't have infinite digits < 1247006233 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's, uh, a good point < 1247006243 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well that's true if you can pick a base < 1247006246 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1247006252 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1247006254 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats himself -----### < 1247006254 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're full of bullshit < 1247006256 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on second thoughts < 1247006256 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1247006257 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scratch that < 1247006267 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just took it as right < 1247006271 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'cuz, like, you're a mathematician < 1247006282 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't wanna look stupid. < 1247006284 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking numerator/denumerator < 1247006289 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*denominator < 1247006321 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: errr 1/3 < 1247006338 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see 2 digits there, in total :D < 1247006362 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh < 1247006364 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1247006379 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway right, you can't represent that as (significand,exponent) < 1247006381 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1247006383 0 :FireyFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1247006400 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/3 = 0 + 1/3 < 1247006400 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1247006414 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as a ... non-continued fraction) < 1247006427 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's good then < 1247006433 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :continued fractions reduce to rationals < 1247006462 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is there a name for 0.01101110010111011110001001…? < 1247006479 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, 0.{all integers from 0 up, in binary, concatenated} < 1247006506 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm not any i know < 1247006512 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm wait < 1247006519 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get how 1/x reduces obviously with a continued fraction < 1247006525 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i need to figure out how to do 2/3 that way < 1247006538 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :euclidean algorithm essentially < 1247006554 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/3 = 1/(3/2) etc. < 1247006577 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that sounds dangerously Slow with a capital S. < 1247006587 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so? < 1247006602 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the algorithm with divmod too < 1247006608 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just subtraction < 1247006609 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: calculating n/m is O(whatever euclidean is), not O(1) < 1247006619 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sure < 1247006620 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with (n,m) representation, it's O(1) < 1247006624 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1247006629 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm < 1247006638 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what about continued fractions, but instead of just 1 as the numerator, < 1247006639 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any integer? < 1247006645 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bignums aren't really O(1) anyhow :D < 1247006650 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it just reduces to 2/3 = 0 + 2/3 < 1247006655 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed that's the subject of the post I linked < 1247006659 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.catonmat.net/blog/on-the-linear-time-algorithm-for-finding-fibonacci-numbers/ < 1247006665 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but would that modification change anything? < 1247006667 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't think so < 1247006722 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know how much it changes, it's not like i've tried implementing arithmetic operations on c.f. of either kind < 1247006734 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those with only 1 are called simple, iirc < 1247006743 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :data CF = Add Integer CF | Div Integer CF | Zero < 1247006757 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, wait < 1247006761 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need two types < 1247006781 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing it messes up is uniqueness of representation, obviously < 1247006792 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what's wrong with that if the representation isn't exposed? < 1247006812 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may make it harder to do comparisons? < 1247006816 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well duh < 1247006826 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'll just have a "simplify" function < 1247006921 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm an issue is that I can't `show` irrationals < 1247006950 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a cutoff seems inevitable < 1247006974 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but entering "fullPi" in a REPL and getting an infinite output would be such fun :D < 1247006989 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with infinite digits I can do that, with continued fractions not :< < 1247006999 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinite digits has less dependencies, essentially < 1247007006 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas continued fractions have infinite dependencies < 1247007018 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :estoppel: you can have a showFull function, of course < 1247007032 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: of type showFull :: CF -> String? < 1247007036 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then why can't I have show :: CF -> String? < 1247007039 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can be infinite, you know < 1247007051 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that ordinary show is used for embedding things in larger data structures, so you need it to end if you want to show the rest of it < 1247007056 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like for (CF, CF) < 1247007062 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh < 1247007067 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you meant it was really impossible :) < 1247007071 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but I can't end it eg for pi < 1247007075 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since they're infinite < 1247007087 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there'll never be a Read CF that covers everything < 1247007096 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you've got to make a choice then < 1247007097 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: a cutoff is reasonable, though < 1247007100 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for Show < 1247007120 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: not sure how to encode it though; show is stateless < 1247007123 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess show = myShow < 1247007125 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess show = myShow 0 rather < 1247007185 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i think a simplified continued fraction is best < 1247007191 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so I have one representation, except I won't < 1247007213 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: because you can always make an infinite representation, can't you? < 1247007217 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, not with 1/ < 1247007219 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right? < 1247007230 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is also the question that some numbers are undecidable to print to complete representation < 1247007240 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1247007243 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1247007264 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually the undecidability might happen already when calculating the c.f. < 1247007282 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1247007299 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like when doing x - x < 1247007335 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: this doesn't sound nice or fluffy to me. < 1247007346 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :estoppel: pikhq mentioned you could just append 0's. 1/(0+1/(0+... < 1247007356 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1247007360 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that makes > show 3 → "3<> < 1247007364 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that may not be it < 1247007375 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: he was talking about unrestricted numerator. < 1247007392 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-11-221.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1247007394 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: with restricted-to-1 numerator, you need a special base case < 1247007400 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1247007406 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :data CF = Add Integer OneDiv | Zero < 1247007407 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :data OneDiv = OneDiv CF < 1247007411 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑ pretty sure this representation is unique < 1247007418 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well actually, no < 1247007421 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Add 0 foo < 1247007434 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if I make sure that the Integer in Add is >=1, that representation is unique, isn't it? < 1247007441 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all rational and irrational numbers have one representation < 1247007479 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um you are missing numbers 0 <= ... < 1 there... < 1247007511 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ah, right < 1247007516 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but assuming numbers <1 don't exist < 1247007522 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's unique, right? < 1247007531 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1247007536 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1247007538 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just answer the q :P < 1247007545 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1247007557 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1247007584 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1247007591 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have infinity in there < 1247007600 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think Zero is in the wrong place < 1247007602 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's impossible to get unique representations for all rational and irrational numbers, please do tell me, btw < 1247007611 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you're right. < 1247007640 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :estoppel: I strongly suspect it's possible to get unique representations for all rational numbers. < 1247007646 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: well i know that < 1247007648 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about irrationals < 1247007661 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The irrational numbers cannot necessarily be represented. < 1247007663 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you also want to disallow one of 0 + 1/1 or 1 < 1247007689 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: computable irrationals < 1247007725 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :estoppel: Then it's obvious that there's a unique representation for them. < 1247007752 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1247007754 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :data CF = Add Integer OneDiv < 1247007755 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :data OneDiv = OneDiv CF | Zero < 1247007755 0 :FireyFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1247007777 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so from this what constraints do we use? i want to include negative numbers and 0 here < 1247007778 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no cheating < 1247007808 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :negative numbers needs sign somehow < 1247007821 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Add (-2) Zero < 1247007839 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just going to mess up things < 1247007843 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is? < 1247007851 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well maybe not < 1247007860 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you already disallowed Add 0 _ < 1247007870 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: btw we can still represent 1/0 < 1247007879 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Add 0 (OneDiv (Add 0 Zero)) < 1247007887 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1247007887 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NULLITY! < 1247007897 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er so you allow 0? < 1247007902 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1247007902 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oops < 1247007918 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok, no zero allowed < 1247007927 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :data CF = Add {-(/= 0)-} Integer OneDiv < 1247007927 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :data OneDiv = OneDiv CF | Zero < 1247007932 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is our current constraint set < 1247007935 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you seriously need a data type that is >= 1 only < 1247007946 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, but I'm not using bloody peano < 1247007951 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gmp is nice :P < 1247007958 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: these constructors aren't public, anyawy < 1247007958 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and use it in OneDiv < 1247007959 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1247007962 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so nobody else can access them < 1247007975 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, what would I do? < 1247007988 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server" < 1247008015 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :require >= 1 integer in CF there < 1247008032 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have another data type for all reals < 1247008046 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: 23:06 oerjan: require >= 1 integer in CF there ;; with what? I don't really want to, as gmp is fast. < 1247008109 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you'll just have to have runtime assertion then < 1247008122 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what does that buy me? nothing at all < 1247008132 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :over just not writing (Add n) without checking n isn't 0 < 1247008139 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :estoppel: i'm not saying literally < 1247008146 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh? < 1247008158 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "{-(/ 0)-} Integer" is my pet constraint description convention < 1247008160 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*/= < 1247008184 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean if you insist on using Integers, while c.f.'s are based on naturals, then you'll have to have runtime assumptions < 1247008217 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah < 1247008218 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's fine < 1247008218 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you seriously don't want 1/(-1 + 1/...) to occur < 1247008243 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hrm why not? < 1247008252 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1247008257 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no uniqueness whatsoever? < 1247008261 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1247008277 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeell < 1247008297 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: can all negative reals be represented as -real? < 1247008308 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, duh < 1247008314 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1247008315 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1247008316 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1247008340 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok, < 1247008340 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Add = Add {-(> 0)-} Integer OneDiv < 1247008341 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :data OneDiv = OneDiv Add | Zero < 1247008343 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :data CF = Positive Add | Negative Add < 1247008349 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :other constraints, i assume, must be applied. < 1247008371 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CF needs a few more cases < 1247008386 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are missing all of (-1, 1) i think < 1247008400 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you mean like 0.4? < 1247008408 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1247008410 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1247008420 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right you are. that's why I have > 0 there. < 1247008426 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately, solving one problem introduces another. < 1247008435 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you mean like adding | MinusOne Add? < 1247008438 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1247008449 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MinusOne (Add 1 (OneDiv (Add 2 Zero))) < 1247008451 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :→ 0.5 < 1247008500 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that certainly destroys uniqueness again < 1247008514 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right you are. < 1247008514 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.4 is logically contained in OneDiv < 1247008525 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no it's not, due to the Add dependency < 1247008534 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is < 1247008539 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how < 1247008553 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"we've made it easy to re-enable the beta label for Gmail from the Labs tab under Settings" < 1247008557 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahaha < 1247008562 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.4 = 1/(2.5) ? < 1247008573 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: zzo anyone? < 1247008597 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm < 1247008608 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, because 4.0 = 1 / (0.25) < 1247008609 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is 2.5 contained in Add, though? < 1247008613 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you need to be careful about negative zero < 1247008617 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :estoppel: of course < 1247008626 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so I don't miss (-1,1). < 1247008629 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Add is all x >= 1 < 1247008650 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: 23:16 oerjan: 0.4 = 1/(2.5) ? < 1247008652 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you said it yourself < 1247008664 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 0.4 is _not_ contained in Add < 1247008673 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Add and OneDiv are disjoint < 1247008675 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ah. right < 1247008690 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: this is terribly confusing < 1247008718 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's because you're trying too hard to make a small number of elegant cases, i think < 1247008727 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: not really < 1247008740 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i just keep having to restructure as you come up with more things :D < 1247008744 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Add as >= 1 is fine < 1247008793 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Add = Add {-(> 0)-} Integer OneDiv < 1247008796 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that is still correct? < 1247008803 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of < 1247008821 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "sort of"? < 1247008825 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem is you want something that is OneDiv except Zero < 1247008833 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :data OneDiv = OneDiv Add | Zero < 1247008834 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got that < 1247008849 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise you get a negative Zero when putting things together the obvious way < 1247008864 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you mean Negative (Add 0 Zero)? < 1247008870 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1247008882 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Add 0 Zero does not exist < 1247008886 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1247008891 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so we DON'T have negative zero < 1247008896 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so quit yer yappin' bout it! < 1247008904 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :estoppel: you have not put everything together yet < 1247008915 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are still missing (-1, 1) in the final datatype < 1247008921 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true. and i won't for, say, 12 hours. buh bye! thanks for your help. < 1247008922 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :→ < 1247008933 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats estoppel -----### < 1247008937 0 :amuck_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1247008942 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JUST BE THAT WAY :D < 1247008970 0 :estoppel!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ehird < 1247009069 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION jaw-drops < 1247009077 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IE usage is now down to 56% overall. < 1247009100 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :link < 1247009125 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"The only thing I know is that I know nothing" < 1247009138 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You go away. No. < 1247009154 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, link? < 1247009288 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1247009372 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"@+" < 1247009505 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1247009668 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... latest browser news: statistics show IE market share dropped 8% in a month, nobody believes them < 1247009687 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the web statistic sites are assuming it's some sort of error in the way the data was collected < 1247009703 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well 46% of all statisticians are liars, anyway < 1247011208 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-38-151.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1247011995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, link? < 1247012114 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I saw it on Slashdot < 1247012117 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably still there < 1247012146 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the links are http://marketshare.hitslink.com/status.aspx and http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser-na-daily-20080701-20090707, apparently, but I didn't follow them < 1247012158 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people don't actually follow links at Slashdot, they just read the summary < 1247012184 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :last I looked slashdot was large < 1247012217 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slashdot is fucking huge. < 1247012351 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so where on slashdot ais523 < 1247012359 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: main page < 1247012365 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably near the top < 1247012391 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :third entry atm < 1247012589 0 :lambdabot!n=lambdabo@animaforge.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1247012655 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1247012792 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1247012805 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1247012826 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_< < 1247012829 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect I know the cause < 1247012849 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :new major firefox version release. Thus some clients counted more than once, once for old user agent, once for new < 1247012853 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, plausible? < 1247012866 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, could be plausible < 1247012877 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that it was a drop in IE, rather than a rise in Firefox < 1247012877 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fun.cycle$"lambda! "::Expr < 1247012879 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : lambda! lambda! lambda! lambda! lambda! lambda! lambda! lambda! lambda! lam... < 1247012880 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : lambda! lambda! lambda! lambda! lambda! lambda! lambda! lambda! lambda! lam... < 1247012883 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the drop was filled by Firefox, Safari and Chrome < 1247012886 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah ok < 1247012890 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the? < 1247012893 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not just one < 1247012929 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : test < 1247012952 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thutubot: > 2+2 < 1247012961 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: > 2+2 < 1247012969 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grmbl < 1247012975 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: @run 2+2 < 1247012976 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4 < 1247012977 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4 < 1247012983 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1247012997 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that actually proves nothing < 1247013016 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4 < 1247013035 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1247013046 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 might be able to explain it < 1247013057 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc thutubot is his bit < 1247013058 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bot* < 1247013060 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1247013069 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4 < 1247013071 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run 2+2 < 1247013072 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4 < 1247013072 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4 < 1247013089 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@vixen who are you? < 1247013089 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean, i'm me! < 1247013090 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean, i'm me! < 1247013095 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1247013103 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@vixen how do you feel? < 1247013103 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however you want < 1247013104 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however you want < 1247013107 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, care to explain what the hell is going on < 1247013123 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@vixen Microoptimisation of gnomes < 1247013123 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wanna hear a story? < 1247013123 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wanna hear a story? < 1247013142 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm lessee < 1247013144 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: someone's /msging thutubot < 1247013155 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like this < 1247013155 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that quickly? < 1247013156 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@dice 1d3 < 1247013156 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1d3 => 3 < 1247013157 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1d3 => 3 < 1247013164 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how strange < 1247013174 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would someone set up a lambdabot -> thutubot relay? < 1247013181 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's funny? < 1247013181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, can you tell us who? < 1247013194 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not easily, thutubot isn't saving debug data anywhere < 1247013198 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAIR < 1247013199 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, not particularly < 1247013208 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, stdout? < 1247013226 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also how did you produce the "like this"? < 1247013239 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in < 1247013241 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what command < 1247013246 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and prefix < 1247013273 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just using +ul? < 1247013278 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (test)S < 1247013278 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test < 1247013285 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test < 1247013285 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1247013287 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait yes < 1247013289 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1247013303 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, that is weird < 1247013306 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why not return it to sender? < 1247013312 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/msg thutubot +ul (test)S < 1247013318 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :returns it to channel < 1247013320 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sender < 1247013322 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thutubot is printing everything sent to it, and people haven't been /msging it until I suggested it < 1247013345 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : @dice 1d3 < 1247013346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@dice 1d3 < 1247013347 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1d3 => 2 < 1247013347 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1d3 => 2 < 1247013352 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what happened just there < 1247013385 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, that is weird; thutubot didn't see itself sending that < 1247013391 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul test < 1247013407 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, but it isn't seeing its own sends anyway < 1247013414 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahaha, I've figured it out < 1247013420 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's thutubot's +haskell command < 1247013424 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+haskell 2+2 < 1247013435 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's meant to send the message to lambdabot, then relay the response < 1247013438 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's broken, though < 1247013446 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ouch < 1247013447 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah! < 1247013454 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in two ways: a) it isn't sending on to lambdabot, and b) it's repeating everything lambdabot says < 1247013456 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :broken both ways < 1247013953 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1247014210 0 :immibis!n=IceChat7@125-238-252-206.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1247014576 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1247015107 0 :darthnuri!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :No route to host < 1247015144 0 :inurinternet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :No route to host < 1247015867 0 :inurinternet!n=nuri@cpe-72-132-164-88.dc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1247015873 0 :darthnuri!n=nuri@cpe-72-132-164-88.dc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1247017029 0 :darthnuri!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1247017074 0 :inurinternet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1247017084 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ASCII a stupid question, get a stupid ANSI!" < 1247018347 0 :inurinternet!n=nuri@cpe-72-132-164-88.dc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1247018682 0 :darthnuri!n=nuri@cpe-72-132-164-88.dc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1247018978 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1247020010 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-38-151.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1247020035 0 :oklodol!n=nnscript@h028068.gprs.dnafinland.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1247020783 0 :sebbu3!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-38-151.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1247020984 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1247021012 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-38-151.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1247021050 0 :oklodok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Success < 1247021307 0 :sebbu3!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1247021833 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1247027354 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :arachneng < 1247027366 0 :arachneng!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :lifthrasiir < 1247029038 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1247029380 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1247033050 0 :Associat0r!n=Associat@h163153.upc-h.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1247033754 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/introducing-google-chrome-os.html < 1247033756 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-S < 1247033909 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1247034084 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1247034654 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"The only thing I know is that I know nothing" < 1247034729 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1247036002 0 :chuck!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: just another crucial step in google's plot to take over the world.. muahaha. < 1247036544 0 :GuestShadowSkunk!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-126-165.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1247037308 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1247039999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1247040000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1247042723 0 :chuck!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1247044570 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@82.182.180.137 JOIN :#esoteric < 1247044760 0 :Associ8or!n=Associat@h163153.upc-h.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1247044802 0 :oklodol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Five in GMP, I mean. It is rather unlikely there would be no others. <<< you can get an infinite descent of asymptotically better multiplication algos by extending the divide-and-conquer method of karatsuba; but i don't know how fft is done for numbers, if it's O(n lg n) it's beyond that descent < 1247044816 0 :oklodol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought fft only made sense for polys < 1247044864 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://numbers.computation.free.fr/Constants/Algorithms/fft.html has a shortish explanation. < 1247044978 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And actually the GMP manual explains what they do, too. < 1247045385 0 :oklodol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :estoppel: pikhq: problem with digits is you have to pick a base, and that sucks. <<< you can use other kinds of series, like continued fractions; but really there's no need to have an explicit representation until you print < 1247045399 0 :oklodol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: estoppel: oh. in that case use continued fractions. no base involved. <<< right, i was already here < 1247045741 0 :M0ny!n=Harmony@90.55.58.138 JOIN :#esoteric < 1247045786 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@77.100.194.169 JOIN :#esoteric < 1247045815 0 :Associat0r!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1247045846 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1247046244 0 :oklodol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what year is that idea from? < 1247046277 0 :oklodol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought there was no known n lg n for multiplication, even though i knew fft does that for polynomials < 1247046352 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Schönhage and Strassen paper referred to in the GMP manual are from 1971, but I haven't actually read it, so I don't know what they promise w.r.t. multiplication. < 1247046433 0 :oklodol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1247046454 0 :oklodol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay right, seems you can reduce the multiplication to multiplication of polynomials < 1247046482 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/are/is/ there. < 1247046577 0 :oklodol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that was the problem, i thought i saw something weird there < 1247046617 0 :oklodol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"and a final rearrangement on the coefficients of R(z) permits to obtain the product XY" what rearrangement? < 1247046679 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-0-34.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1247047325 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would peek at the 1971 paper, but based on the title -- "Schnelle Multiplikation grosser Zahlen" -- it is probably in German. And that other page refers to a paper called "Multiplication en le Lisp" in French. < 1247047349 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure there's a less overviewy explanation in the tubes, though. < 1247047371 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/introducing-google-chrome-os.html <-- Is it based on linux or from scratch? < 1247047373 0 :oklodol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i already decrypted the page < 1247047378 0 :oklodol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from scratch < 1247047387 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah wait < 1247047391 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says linux there < 1247047393 0 :oklodol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least that's the impression i got < 1247047396 0 :oklodol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright < 1247047406 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The software architecture is simple — Google Chrome running within a new windowing system on top of a Linux kernel." < 1247047462 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So basically you can't use it where there is no internet connection I guess < 1247047467 0 :oklodol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i don't see the relevance of that info, so i guess i wouldn't remember the fact either. < 1247047606 0 :oklodol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's made for "people who live on the net" < 1247047635 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklodol, yes right, but what if you are traveling and there happen to be no public wlan where you are or such. < 1247047644 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no mobile phone connection either < 1247047707 0 :oklodol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd think there's some offline happenings too. but i just took a glance at the public info thingie. < 1247047709 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you should be getting out of such a dark place. < 1247047716 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With rapidity. < 1247047722 0 :oklodol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what fizzie said < 1247047737 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was travelling by train from Kiruna (in north Sweden) down to the south parts of Sweden a few weeks ago. Except around the towns the mobile phone mostly reported no connection or extremely bad one. < 1247047746 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I have Telia < 1247047748 0 :oklodol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't swim if internet don't stream < 1247047752 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is known for good coverage. < 1247047790 0 :oklodol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :statisticians say 97% of finland is covered by connective flow. < 1247047793 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember when I've last been outside GPRS coverage; of course online activities at "a kilobyte every now and then" speeds might not be so pleasant. < 1247047802 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that was outside GSM even! < 1247047861 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since my phone tends to switch over to some other carrier and say "emergency calls only" if Telia isn't reachable but even that didn't happen, I assume outside all coverage. < 1247047988 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the distance between Kiruna and Boden there was no coverage at all < 1247047990 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The page I found about the 97 % GSM coverage is from 2001, they might've improved that a tiny bit. Anyway, if you don't get the internets, it's your own fault for going to such a silly place. < 1247048000 0 :oklodol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm < 1247048007 0 :oklodol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it actually *is* 97? < 1247048021 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklodol: It was, according to http://www.eduskunta.fi/faktatmp/utatmp/akxtmp/kk_945_2001_p.shtml < 1247048030 0 :oklodol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i basically just let the flow tell the coverage to me. < 1247048031 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh in Finland? < 1247048032 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, for Sonera's GSM network. < 1247048035 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not worldwide < 1247048039 0 :oklodol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just felt it < 1247048046 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I have no idea about other places. < 1247048079 0 :oklodol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if i can feel statistics correct nowadays. < 1247048082 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, I'm sure the thing will have at least some offline functionality. < 1247048095 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in south Sweden I tend to get at least one "dot" on the connection quality indicator thingy on the phone < 1247048101 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everywhere < 1247048127 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess there is probably still some out-of-GSM-coverage areas up there in Lapland. < 1247048138 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, quite a lot even < 1247048194 0 :oklodol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3% of finland is not that much < 1247048208 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I don't know about "lot". They do claim that 97 % is geographically speaking, not "amount of people", so... < 1247048209 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Sweden I meant < 1247048242 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, start building base stations then! < 1247048314 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, right, probably will cover one house each at most... Up there you can go on for miles without seeing a single house, or even a road crossing the railway. < 1247048361 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we've managed to cover 97 % (at least) of our surface area, you should too. < 1247048368 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly worth it along the railroad/railway (what is the diff? Is one US and one UK?), but apart from that it wouldn't be economically viable I bet. < 1247048398 0 :oklodol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not about viability < 1247048403 0 :oklodol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about ability < 1247048429 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklodol, who pays? < 1247048442 0 :oklodol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :taxpayers? < 1247048473 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the gov owns Sonera? < 1247048494 0 :oklodol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suggest taxpayers pay straight to sonera. < 1247048575 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't seem to find very specific information about the current situation here. From what I've seen, a single station can cover a reasonably large distance if you stick it on top of a fell, if you don't mind the fact that some of the valley-like parts get left out. < 1247048614 0 :oklodol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do mind < 1247048661 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-128-107.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1247048663 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I think large parts up there, are "nationalparker" < 1247048668 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what that is in English < 1247048683 0 :oklodol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same < 1247048690 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to see Sonera's map, it's at http://mobileplaza.sonera.fi/matkapuhelin/kuuluvuus_kotimaassa.html -- it is clickable for closer look, and the colors for the detailed maps are: white = no-coverage, grey = needs-an-external-antenna, blue = normal GSM/GPRS, yellow = EDGE, green = 3G things. < 1247048729 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not too much white in there, but still some. < 1247048730 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :protected areas of nature, you aren't allowed to do anything that will change it basically. < 1247048758 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what is EDGE? < 1247048782 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's some sort of GPRS speed-upgrade, I think it was called "2.5G" somewhere too. < 1247048791 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Enhanced Data Rates for GSM Evolution". < 1247048806 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EDGE < 1247048830 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1247048838 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"EDGE can carry data speeds up to 236.8 kbit/s --" though that's very much a theoretical thing only. < 1247048975 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 3G coverage is rather poor, though, pretty much cities only. < 1247049026 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And special places; it seems they've stuck a single 3G base station at the Koli ski resort place, for example. < 1247049038 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1247049052 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that some famous tourist attraction or such? < 1247049083 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe not "famous" but I guess it's reasonably popular. < 1247049111 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Famous enough to have a Wikipedia article about it (well, not the ski resort, but the adjacent national park): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koli_National_Park < 1247049255 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1247049269 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1247049271 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh so it is national park in English too? < 1247049273 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1247049276 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1247049297 0 :GuestShadowSkunk!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1247049331 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "national park" is certainly a concept in English < 1247049331 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I can't tell if it's the same one you're referring to without more context < 1247049368 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After the shutting-down of the ages-old 450 MHz analog NMT mobile phone network, they've reused that frequency range for the "@450" mobile broadband (1M/512k) which I guess has a better coverage than the 3G; 90 % of population, though that translates to some much lower percentage of geographical area. < 1247049426 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :protected area of nature, you aren't allowed to do basically anything that can change it with some exceptions. < 1247049441 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe "ages-old" is a bit of an exaggeration: "The world's first NMT call was made in Tampere, Finland, in 1978.[1] The NMT network was opened in Sweden and Norway in 1981, and in Denmark and Finland in 1982." < 1247049492 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want an "official definition" for a national park, I guess this listing suffices: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Commission_on_Protected_Areas < 1247049500 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyday use might differ, there you have to ask one of the natives. < 1247049901 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1247049978 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1247050157 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1247050169 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1247050219 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb ais523 < 1247050232 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1247050239 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : The term "concerning" shall mean relating to, referring to, reflecting, describing, evidencing, referencing, discussing or constituting. < 1247050345 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, and Google are writing their own OS, using Linux's kernel (and presumably drivers, etc.) but none of the rest of the stuff that's normally used together with the kernel < 1247050387 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you logread, you'd know it was the original source for what led to the "national park" discussion. < 1247050391 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you don't. Woe is you! < 1247050406 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I don't normally have the focus to logread < 1247050420 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I were one of them IBM's lawyers, I'd add "concering" itself somewhere in the middle of that list. < 1247050426 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: haha < 1247050740 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1247050812 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1247051026 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb ais523 < 1247051117 0 :oklodol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: oh so it is national park in English too? <<< what part of "same" did you not understand < 1247051131 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklodol, where did you say it was the same? < 1247051144 0 :oklodol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:24… AnMaster: not sure what that is in English < 1247051145 0 :oklodol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:24… oklodol: same < 1247051186 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklodol, ah, missed that < 1247051205 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklodol: You are so terse. < 1247051214 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't see the "same" either. < 1247051235 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does that sound like an insult? "Ha ha, you're so terse!" < 1247051244 0 :oklodol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because terse also means stupid < 1247051258 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wordnet only lists: # S: (adj) crisp, curt, laconic, terse (brief and to the point; effectively cut short) "a crisp retort"; "a response so curt as to be almost rude"; "the laconic reply; `yes'"; "short and terse and easy to understand" < 1247051263 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I guess it could. < 1247051279 0 :oklodol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. < 1247051295 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You're not one of those tersies, are you?" < 1247051299 0 :oklodol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least something very close to it means stupid, or is used that way. < 1247051321 0 :oklodol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or your pun just deceived my brain < 1247051324 0 :oklodol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1247051336 0 :oklodol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it wouldn't have been a pun then < 1247051409 0 :oklodol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah it's dense. < 1247051412 0 :oklodol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that took quite a while < 1247051437 0 :oklodol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly because i didn't think about it, but still < 1247052110 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had written that word already, then decided not to mention it for some reason. < 1247052127 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I typoed "I had written that world already" first. Meaningful? < 1247052152 0 :oklodol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would it be+ < 1247052153 0 :oklodol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1247053090 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1247053132 0 :oklodol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oogie! < 1247053209 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oclum < 1247053230 0 :oklodol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm feeling glemifandulous. < 1247053276 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that _does_ sort of sound like a problem with the brain, possibly the language center... < 1247053392 0 :oklodol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD < 1247053401 0 :oklodol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :superglio < 1247053467 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glial_cell < 1247053523 0 :oklodol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure how that's helpful < 1247053543 0 :oklodol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've told numerous times there's a well-known connection between all that is gli and all that is glue. < 1247053563 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokoko < 1247053564 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah they sort of stick together < 1247053571 0 :oklodol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokoko < 1247053574 0 :oklodol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you're funny < 1247053578 0 :oklodol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokokoko < 1247053581 0 :oklodol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokoko < 1247053582 0 :oklodol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokoko < 1247053585 0 :oklodol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokookokokokokoko < 1247053810 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklodol: that's easy when you have perfect straight men < 1247053828 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O-cock-o. < 1247053836 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rococo < 1247053914 0 :oklodol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure i get it even with fizzie's explanaiton < 1247053916 0 :oklodol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*explanation < 1247053919 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1247053936 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What exploitation? < 1247053955 0 :oklodol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should really buy those oculatory aids. < 1247054076 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1247054254 0 :dbc!n=daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1247054428 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Also I typoed "I had written that world already" first. Meaningful? < 1247054433 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah; since GPRS is called "2.5G" by some, and not everyone counts EDGE as "3G" since it's so sucky, some people apparently seriously refer to EDGE as a "2.75G" technology. < 1247054441 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly you have subconscious delusions of grandeur < 1247054486 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where will it end? Soon there'll be a πG thing. < 1247054518 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION assumes that character is a pi < 1247054555 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for texnological reasons < 1247054558 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's what it should be. < 1247054594 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like a pi here < 1247054694 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is too lazy to go back to the logs to check right after he closed the page < 1247054750 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course you all know already i'm too lazy to set up unicode correctly < 1247055411 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server" < 1247056681 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Success < 1247056707 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1247057005 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1247057117 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1247057119 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"What are you sinking about?" < 1247058381 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1247058841 0 :oklodol!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ogliopol < 1247059995 0 :ogliopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay don't copy that was awesome :D < 1247062710 0 :upyr[emacs]!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1247062719 0 :upyr[emacs]!n=user@79.174.35.21 JOIN :#esoteric < 1247062957 0 :Associ8or!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"#proglangdesign #ltu ##concurrency" < 1247063366 0 :upyr[emacs]!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1247063373 0 :upyr[emacs]!n=user@79.174.35.21 JOIN :#esoteric < 1247063729 0 :MizardX!n=MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1247064383 0 :MigoMipo!i=c1b7fd21@gateway/web/freenode/x-ca36f4b1e60189d0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1247065123 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Page closed" < 1247065306 0 :Associat0r!n=Associat@62.194.163.153 JOIN :#esoteric < 1247066727 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1247067445 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1247068277 0 :ogliopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :glia < 1247068301 0 :ogliopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should get lilja to start saying flia. < 1247068302 0 :ogliopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*glia < 1247068408 0 :inurinternet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1247068594 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1247069189 0 :darthnuri!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1247069382 0 :inurinternet!n=nuri@rrcs-74-62-7-76.west.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1247069385 0 :darthnuri!n=nuri@rrcs-74-62-7-76.west.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1247070048 0 :ogliopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1247070048 0 :ogliopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1247070078 0 :inurinternet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1247070266 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko < 1247070285 0 :ogliopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokoko < 1247070298 0 :ogliopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokoko < 1247070310 0 :ogliopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone speak italian here? < 1247070311 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... I thought the next one would have 24 os < 1247070341 0 :ogliopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1, 1, 2, 6, 24? < 1247070346 0 :ogliopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just 2, 6, 24 < 1247070833 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1247070840 0 :MizardX!n=MizardX@81-224-42-23-no80.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1247073129 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1247073201 0 :MizardX-!n=MizardX@81-224-42-23-no80.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1247073206 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection reset by peer < 1247073234 0 :MizardX-!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :MizardX < 1247074588 0 :ogliopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1247075220 0 :MizardX-!n=MizardX@81-224-42-23-no80.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1247075226 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1247075253 0 :MizardX-!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :MizardX < 1247076889 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1247077269 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1247077318 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1247079276 0 :darthnuri!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1247079553 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1247080785 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1247081116 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i ehird or estoppel? < 1247081117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird < 1247081121 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both < 1247081238 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:24:37 IE usage is now down to 56% overall. < 1247081248 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah suure < 1247081250 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the stats from < 1247081252 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :firefox.com? < 1247081254 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it dropped 8% in a month, as a result nobody believes the statistics < 1247081256 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*where's < 1247081273 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and at least three of the major web stats people noticed it, but assumed it was something giving an incorrect reasing < 1247081274 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*reading < 1247081275 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the kind of websites to release such statistics tend to not be frequented by IE users < 1247081280 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and tbh, I think it's something like that too < 1247081281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'd say it's bullshit < 1247081304 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a drop that sudden is unbelievable, something must have confused the browser detection < 1247081326 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: google started running Chrome ads on TV in the usa... < 1247081330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just remembered < 1247081338 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like we've found our culprit. maybe. < 1247081349 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, but firefox, chrome, and safari all stayed in proportion to each other < 1247081352 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wondered why at the time, now it's obvious innit, chrome os < 1247081360 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, true < 1247081387 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone mentioned that that was about the release of IE8; IE8 taking 8% from IE7 is sort-of believable, and it could be that something's messed up in typical IE8 detection < 1247081428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay we have lambdabot now < 1247081434 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2+2 < 1247081435 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4 < 1247081436 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4 < 1247081436 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^__^ < 1247081446 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders why thutubot is mirroring lambdabot < 1247081457 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:32:24 AnMaster: someone's /msging thutubot < 1247081467 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: thutubot is misinterpreting lambdabot's response as a message I think < 1247081488 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/msg doesn't even do anything < 1247081499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:37:15 it's meant to send the message to lambdabot, then relay the response < 1247081500 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:37:18 it's broken, though < 1247081501 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it wasn't that, we found the correct answer eventually < 1247081501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1247081510 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: remove it then, so it doesn't make using lambdabot annoying? < 1247081518 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+haskell that is < 1247081522 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all, it is just a cheap joke < 1247081524 0 :thutubot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but msging thutubot with instructions does reply to #esoteric < 1247081575 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:04:22 So basically you can't use it where there is no internet connection I guess < 1247081575 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:07:15 oklodol, yes right, but what if you are traveling and there happen to be no public wlan where you are or such. < 1247081585 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeaaaaah in a few years everyone will have mobile broadband. < 1247081600 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :designing something to account for people without the net is stupid, although I'm no fan of the cloud < 1247081649 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I don't even have a regular mobile phone < 1247081659 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: mobile broadband has nothing to do with mobiles < 1247081664 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from usually being over the same network < 1247081671 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: and both costing insanely large amounts of money < 1247081685 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you have a queer definition of insane < 1247081698 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's some pounds a month < 1247081756 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:27:18 "EDGE can carry data speeds up to 236.8 kbit/s --" though that's very much a theoretical thing only. < 1247081764 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EDGE can carry 236kbits my ass. < 1247081767 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit better than dialup. < 1247081801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:37:06 protected area of nature, you aren't allowed to do basically anything that can change it with some exceptions. < 1247081803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit < 1247081806 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so nobody can walk in them? < 1247081818 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it has to be stored at 0K < 1247081824 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn you chaos theory! DAMN YOU ENTROPY! < 1247081852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:53:26 no, I don't normally have the focus to logread < 1247081856 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was something about something < 1247081860 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that i directed at you if you logread < 1247081861 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme grep < 1247081870 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:50:31 I wish ais523 logread. < 1247081870 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:50:36 "One thing I found puzzling was that the Brits consistently apologized for and/or denigrated Birmingham." < 1247081872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:50:41 —Bruce Eckel, http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=261930 < 1247081928 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1247081934 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklodol is so glio. < 1247081948 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gliissimo < 1247081969 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:00:33 Hah; since GPRS is called "2.5G" by some, and not everyone counts EDGE as "3G" since it's so sucky, some people apparently seriously refer to EDGE as a "2.75G" technology. < 1247081975 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :piG. < 1247081983 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's marginally better than 3G, but costs pi more moneys a month. < 1247081991 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, fizzie said that < 1247081995 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn logs corruptin' < 1247082021 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better than exponential corruption < 1247082029 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HURF HURF DURF TURF < 1247082046 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION does the heimlich maneuver on ehird  < 1247082055 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you say you're not gay. < 1247082072 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders when he said that < 1247082078 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the opposite < 1247082101 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should ask colin percival if i could get a bulk discount on tarsnap; i don't particularly feel like paying $696 a month if I feel like filling up my entire future 2.32TB harddrives with completely uncompressable, 100% random data < 1247082121 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PER BACKUP! PLUS BANDWIDTH! < 1247082124 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the huge manatee. < 1247082383 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : designing something to account for people without the net is stupid, although I'm no fan of the cloud < 1247082399 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:46 oerjan: designing something to account for people without the net is stupid, although I'm no fan of the cloud < 1247082400 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should account for temporary net loss, certainly < 1247082406 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of a few minutes. < 1247082427 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not unthinkable that in ten years, an area without internet would be considered dangerous < 1247082434 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1247082498 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :few minutes? when someone dug into a cable in this neighborhood it certainly took more than a few minutes to fix it... < 1247082533 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i assume they dug into a cable, someone was digging on the main road and internet disappeared, 2+2) < 1247082555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're more and more dependent on the interwebs. i truly think in a few years that long internet outages will become an unacceptable inconvenience and in a few more it'll be serious < 1247082584 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: pseudo-analogy: it takes more than a few minutes to fix cut power to a city, too. < 1247082597 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1247082602 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that mean we should design everything around not having power? < 1247082604 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think not < 1247082609 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm good point < 1247082621 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ... They're acceptable now? < 1247082639 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: heh :) < 1247082655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: if all else fails, I'm sure we can send our packets up INTO SPACE < 1247082661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAVE YOU HEARD, PIKHQ HAS SATELLITE INTERNET! IN SPACE! < 1247082680 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course _big_ telecom disconnects get fixed fast. my father who is a telecom engineer tells me the contracts include some hefty fines... < 1247082690 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: netbooks are partly desired because of their long battery life < 1247082695 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means, they are designed around not having power < 1247082701 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no they're not < 1247082705 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're designed around having portable power < 1247082723 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess what mobile internet-based devices are designed around? < 1247082725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :having portable internet. < 1247082746 0 :inurinternet!n=nuri@rrcs-74-62-7-76.west.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1247082765 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :portable inurinternet. < 1247082898 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: has anyone told graue about the undeletable spam? < 1247082916 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1247082917 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clue me in < 1247082919 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the issue < 1247082928 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(should that be undeletable or undeleteable?) < 1247082942 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/User:454_buy_viagra < 1247082945 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :une deli table < 1247082947 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The former < 1247082950 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how's it undeletable < 1247082962 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, if you prefer, indelible < 1247082965 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: graue put up a spam filter against that sort of thing < 1247082972 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*facepalm* < 1247082973 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any attempt to edit or delete it triggers the spam filter :D < 1247082977 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means that nobody, not even admins, can do anything even referencing the page < 1247082981 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from look at it < 1247082984 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might have some ideas < 1247082998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: mediawiki has an XML-RPC interface doesn't it? < 1247083006 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yes, but it isn't enabled on Esolang < 1247083008 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought of that too < 1247083010 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck! < 1247083033 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i say, btw, that the spam filter is shit anyway? < 1247083036 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it never stops any spam. < 1247083059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: are any of the other APIs enabled? < 1247083078 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is the url escaping of characters again? < 1247083083 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as far as I can tell; the one in core is disabled, and all the others are uninstalled extensions < 1247083083 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%hex ? < 1247083083 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/User:454_buy_viagra?action=edit§ion=55 < 1247083086 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you can edit it < 1247083087 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: %hex, 2 digits < 1247083087 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/User:454_buy_viagra?action=edit§ion=55 < 1247083090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just have to add a new section < 1247083093 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: try previewing < 1247083096 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1247083102 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and saving comes to the same thing < 1247083115 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is the filter blocks POST but not GET < 1247083119 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe, a bit of both < 1247083127 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it seems to block POST consistently, and GET only sometimes < 1247083128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should really move esolang off that crappy server with the crappy category policy. :P < 1247083135 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/User:454_buy_viagra doesn't load any more < 1247083137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whaddidido < 1247083148 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it works but without c ss < 1247083149 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :css < 1247083162 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn didn't help < 1247083183 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the save removed the escape too < 1247083184 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1247083189 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what actions can you do to pages again? < 1247083198 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yeah i've seen that css thing < 1247083202 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :off the top of my head, view raw edit delete protect < 1247083207 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and history < 1247083208 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you protect it < 1247083211 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably a few more I've forgotten < 1247083219 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I haven't tried protecting it, although that would be rather ridiculous < 1247083233 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just try it, hitting buttons won't do any harm at least < 1247083251 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :famous last words :D < 1247083265 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: nope, same problem < 1247083272 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, I can't follow any of the links from the protect page < 1247083274 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worst case, we lose a few copies of definitions, some literature on them, and a bunch of useless languages :D < 1247083278 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the referrer seems to be blocking things < 1247083282 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: aha < 1247083284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was about to say that < 1247083289 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: make a POST to delete it without any referer < 1247083294 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use a referer blocker or curl or something < 1247083306 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see if I can find a referer blocker Firefox extension < 1247083318 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: refcontrol < 1247083324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it'd be easier just to use curl imo < 1247083339 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: < 1247083341 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://cafe.elharo.com/privacy/privacy-tip-3-block-referer-headers-in-firefox/ < 1247083348 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just set network.http.sendRefererHeader to 0 < 1247083351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming it's not out of date < 1247083368 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: referers are helpful on certain other sites, though < 1247083373 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so turn it off afterwards < 1247083375 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a couple of my user scripts rely on them, for instance < 1247083376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a one time thing... < 1247083392 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a referer-blocker will be useful, esolang blocks all sorts of random referers for no good reason < 1247083400 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, ok < 1247083496 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"User:454 buy viagra" has been deleted. See deletion log for a record of recent deletions. < 1247083510 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1247083515 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Precondition Failed < 1247083515 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The precondition on the request for the URL /wiki/Special:Recentchanges evaluated to false. < 1247083516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1247083525 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, now /that's/ bad < 1247083534 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was just cuz i came from viagra < 1247083536 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr < 1247083538 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reword that < 1247083549 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have the perms to remove a deletion log entry < 1247083557 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i mean < 1247083558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :referer < 1247083560 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was the problem < 1247083561 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me < 1247083565 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, fair enough < 1247083566 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :refreshing fixed i < 1247083566 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1247083569 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1247083579 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's mod_security that's fucking up this stuff < 1247083584 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember on my old shared hosting < 1247083585 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does mod_security do? < 1247083588 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you couldn't submit a form saying "Perl" < 1247083598 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because perl is sometimes used for programs which you could be attempting to inject, I think < 1247083607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the wiki I had I did P(bold, unbold)erl < 1247083608 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1247083611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: break things. < 1247083617 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a feeble attempt at securing you. < 1247083623 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: learn the tag < 1247083632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it wasn't mediawiki. < 1247083637 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ok < 1247083646 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a neat no-op, it does the same thing as space in Perl or @ in Cyclexa < 1247083650 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*space in Perl6 < 1247083666 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just /**/ < 1247083669 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cyclexa doesn't have an unspace to cancel it out, though, unless you're putting antitext in the original program < 1247083674 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Perl < 1247083680 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: /**/ is equivalent to space by definition, at least in C < 1247083683 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it filtered html out < 1247083692 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, yes, but is /**/ < 1247083694 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for mediawiki < 1247083697 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION bounces around in celebration < 1247083702 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ... But not ? < 1247083716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: (bold, unbold) is ? < 1247083717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :news to me. < 1247083720 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'm guessing it was BBcode, which is not XML-like apart from having matching tags < 1247083725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1247083725 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yes in XML, no in HTML < 1247083728 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was like '''' or something < 1247083739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme check < 1247083741 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : reword that <-- no, let's not do that :D < 1247083743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I meant, I never said < 1247083757 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it was bbcode, it turns out < 1247083761 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so P[b][/b]erl < 1247083775 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it links with [[foo]] for both external and internal, so not quite bbcode < 1247083783 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty dumb. < 1247083827 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[foo]] was just stolen from mediawiki because it's convenient, the rest was bbcode. < 1247083829 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't make the software. < 1247083841 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why did wikipedia's nocover graphic change? < 1247083846 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :licensing issues with a picture of a bloody cd case? < 1247083853 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please say no... < 1247083886 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I don't know the truth, although I'm guessing it's more likely an aesthetics edit war than licensing issues < 1247083900 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :check the image history, it shouldn't be too hard to find < 1247083919 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's a separate file; it'll be in the template < 1247083926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but can you seriously argue http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Nocover.svg looks nicer than the older one? < 1247083943 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Nocover.png < 1247083944 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the old one < 1247083958 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, maybe it's an image format row < 1247083964 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1247083995 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia is so hopeless < 1247084002 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ei saa peittää < 1247084046 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen what happened < 1247084057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to what? wp? < 1247084059 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is related to licensing issues, but not the ones you're thinking of < 1247084068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wwwwwhaaaaaaaat < 1247084078 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopeless. Hopeless! < 1247084081 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, there were some rows that the "please upload a cover" image was turning up in cases where it was known that there were no free/fairable covers < 1247084093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS < 1247084095 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it was decided to leave the album cover section out altogether by default < 1247084097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jesus chris < 1247084097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1247084107 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, it's been added back in on many pages < 1247084117 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but people are just specifying nocover.svg by hand, guessing the extension < 1247084124 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are probably lots of others that use nocover.png < 1247084135 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, are you serious? < 1247084137 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a case of the template not specifying an image, so people have to guess < 1247084143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a load of bollocks < 1247084169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember when you could use fair use images on the main page < 1247084172 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a good era that was < 1247084180 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_Album&diff=196909019&oldid=192528717 < 1247084200 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: has it occurred to them to add a parameter |shownocover=no for those RARE cases? < 1247084206 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. don't answer. obviously not. < 1247084219 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :complete failure of rational thinking detected. < 1247084265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ...answer. I'm curious. < 1247084319 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you'd get people shouting that it was nonstandardised if you did that < 1247084329 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(N.B. I am well aware of the contradictions involved here) < 1247084351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you think the court might make an exception for me if I give every one of these people a lobotomy? < 1247084355 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hypothetically, of course. < 1247084411 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No jury would convict. < 1247084417 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooray! < 1247084438 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sees someone using #NUMBEROFEDITS-mod-N as a random number generator on wikipedia < 1247084447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fast-paced enough that it could actually work... < 1247084501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*NUMBEROFEDITS < 1247084517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1247084519 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to be part of #expr < 1247084660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "It is the very first time Microsofts monopoly over desktop computer OS market is seriously being challenged" < 1247084665 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[on chrome os] < 1247084668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[talk:mainpage] < 1247084687 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pay no attention to the >10% market share in the corner. < 1247085060 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: btw, the next firefox release (or whatever) will parse all html pages with the html 5 parser [you're highlighted because i last highlighted you and i remember you testing ubuntu releases] < 1247085066 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[tangential i know] < 1247085086 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it's backwards-compatible enough that it ought to work < 1247085096 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'll use Firefox 3.5 when it gets into ubuntu-proposed < 1247085102 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not firefox 3.5, I think < 1247085107 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I'm not in the mood for fiddling with repos right now < 1247085107 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wunafferthat < 1247085111 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1247085114 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe not, who knows? < 1247085120 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about:config in the nightlies, anyway < 1247085129 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll use that one when it gets to ubuntu-proposed too, if I'm still using that then < 1247085149 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ejohn.org/blog/html-5-parsing/ < 1247085168 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nightly + set html5.enable to true, accurate as of yesterday < 1247085197 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I don't use nightlies of anything but TAEB and C-INTERCAL < 1247085217 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, cfunge sometimes, but I hardly ever update that < 1247085218 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? < 1247085226 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't say that, AnMaster will get angry < 1247085233 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and because I don't see the need, nightlies just change /too/ quickly for me < 1247085240 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and half the time I don't have an internet connection anyway < 1247085250 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why would that make me angry? < 1247085264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you're always telling people to update cfunge or you'll go "la la la" < 1247085287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, and a WTF from that article about the new parser: it's automatically translated from Java to C++ < 1247085291 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, about bugs yeah, it is a bit pointless to fix a bug that is already fixed in last version. < 1247085293 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it comes from the validator.nu HTML5 parser < 1247085301 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they hand-wrote a Java→C++ translator just for it < 1247085308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and the end result? 3% faster rendering. from translated java. < 1247085322 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3% isn't a lot < 1247085337 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although is the Java → C++ translator still around/ < 1247085340 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could come in useful < 1247085343 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: speed isn't the point; the point is that machine translating java to C++ somehow sped up hand-written C++ code < 1247085347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, but I think it's tailored just for the project < 1247085348 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, every project tends to tell users to use last version when reporting a bug. Since often it is already fixed. < 1247085350 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're going to keep it in-sync < 1247085371 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, HTML5 parsing shouldn't break anything. < 1247085377 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I prefer people to report bugs in future versions before I've written them, to save me the testing trouble < 1247085381 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um. Why would auto-translated C++ be faster than hand written? < 1247085384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it still has System.out.printnl and @Foo, i think they just make classes and #define stuff < 1247085388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: because the parser is different < 1247085397 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is that you'd think translating Java to C++ would result in non-optimal code < 1247085406 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After all, most of the HTML5 parsing rules say exactly how you should parse malformed HTML. < 1247085415 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, in theory you could hand write code equivalent of the converted one. Note "in theory". < 1247085426 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... no shit < 1247085440 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course it might be practically infeasible, but since when have we cared about that in this channel) < 1247085450 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION dls firefox-3.6a1pre.en-US.mac.dmg < 1247085453 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the C++ is human-readable < 1247085463 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ok that is interesting < 1247085466 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just saying that you'd expect the mismapping semantics to incur a performance penalty in general < 1247085471 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing like that generated by lex or yacc then < 1247085475 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's a surprise it ends up faster than the previous parser < 1247085480 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i doubt it works on all java code < 1247085488 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/8b5103cb12a6 < 1247085490 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's the diff < 1247085491 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is, (theoretically) human readable. But in practise not. < 1247085498 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: gigantic) < 1247085517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just looks like very boring, java-like C++ with some odd stuff that's #define'd away < 1247085532 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and using the Java stdlib < 1247085534 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of the C++ one < 1247085539 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhu < 1247085544 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which isn't hard to do with gcj. < 1247085551 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not just compile the java to native code directly < 1247085554 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with gcj yeah < 1247085570 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: because that (a) introduces a dependency on the system having a classpath (java stdlib implementation) < 1247085572 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(gcj treats Java as a language with C++-like calling conventions, after all...) < 1247085575 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1247085578 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and (b) you can't call it easily from C++, prolly < 1247085583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and (c) probably a bit slower, maybe. < 1247085600 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Gcj-compiled Java is easy to call from C++. < 1247085603 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like GCJ for the way it annoys Java purists < 1247085604 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, then < 1247085610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but (a) is still the important thing < 1247085615 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but (d) it will probably crash less. Assuming gcj is managed and does bounds checks and so on. < 1247085623 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: C++ can be managed. < 1247085638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And since java's semantics don't map to C++, there'll be a library layer. < 1247085640 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is almost certainly managed. < 1247085645 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GCJ-compiled Java can just about be called directly from C++. < 1247085648 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: remember that any code that's good C is bad style in C++ < 1247085657 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hah < 1247085661 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you have to include a GCJ library for the Java datatypes) < 1247085690 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: they're not going to introduce a compile-time dependency on gcj and they're not going to introduce a run-time dependency over gcj's runtime library < 1247085695 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you use gcj with something like -freestanding < 1247085697 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is probably the sanest way to do it as far as mozille goes < 1247085699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mozilla < 1247085702 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the code uses java libs < 1247085707 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok < 1247085707 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not mozilla-specific < 1247085717 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I strongly suspect they already have a compile-time dependency on gcj. < 1247085728 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: o rly? the translator doesn't use gcj < 1247085729 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, does this C++ code use a GC? < 1247085731 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the pre-translated source is in-tree < 1247085738 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: mozilla uses refcounting. < 1247085742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XPCOM. < 1247085746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is btw horrific) < 1247085766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I thought mozilla was some mix of various in different parts? < 1247085768 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes < 1247085769 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhat like memory management in GCC < 1247085771 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it will be refcounted < 1247085787 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION replaces Minefield's unbelievably ugly icon with Firefox's < 1247085787 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a bad idea < 1247085791 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to handle cycles? < 1247085801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S THE GLOBE WITH A CHEESY BOMB LOL < 1247085813 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i'm going to assume a fuckin' html 5 parser won't generate cyclic structures < 1247085822 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: It has an optional build-time dependency on a Java compiler. < 1247085846 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: keyword optional. but why? < 1247085854 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god, firefox's new logo is ugly < 1247085861 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bits on the tail jus tlook all wrong < 1247085861 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't a clue. < 1247085865 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the bit at the bottom looks like bad rescaling < 1247085906 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://people.mozilla.com/~faaborg/files/shiretoko/firefoxIcon/firefox-64-noshadow.png < 1247085907 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just awful < 1247085985 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is refcounting ever a good idea for memory management? I guess there could be some specific cases... < 1247086057 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A HTML parser can easily generate cyclic structures, if you want to have something like a DOM tree where you can go from an arbitrary node to its parent, and back. < 1247086099 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1247086104 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: If you don't have cyclic structures, it's not merely good, it's great. < 1247086215 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm true < 1247086337 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how incredibly great it is; there's a reasonable amount of work done for the reference-counting. Of course it's a tiny thing, but with some other GC styles you don't have to collect things very often either. But this is all just gut-feeling talk, I'm sure there's actual well-researched material written about this. < 1247086386 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (I note that the "process" of Slashdot incremental improvement has now reached a point where clicking anywhere in the text-entry box causes the box to LOSE focus. If you don't want us using Safari, there are more efficient ways to get us to move.) < 1247086394 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, Slashdot's UI gets worse by the day < 1247086398 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doing something now is always worse than doing something later, performance-wise . < 1247086402 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ \././ < 1247086417 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc python uses refcounting, that doesn't make sense though, unless it somehow can guarantee that the no cycles happen... < 1247086443 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it has a gc for cycles. < 1247086469 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl uses refcounting too, and it just relies on the user to manually break cycles if they care enough. Though there's also a mark-and-sweep GC step done when the interpreter is being destroyed or something. < 1247086473 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, um. how does that work?? < 1247086475 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reference counting is just an optimisation to make the garbage collector's work easier. < 1247086492 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: by confusing you. < 1247086517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, interpreter being destroyed == /usr/bin/perl exiting? If so it seems a bit pointless. < 1247086527 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: perl is more than perl(1). < 1247086532 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It's for programs that embed a Perl interpreter for scripting purposes and such. < 1247086533 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a Perl interpreter library. < 1247086534 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: thread ending also causes that < 1247086540 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in addition to what ehird's talking about < 1247086549 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it matters due to DESTROY hooks even with one thread and no embedding < 1247086550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh jesus, firefox right-click menus still don't have curved edges like everything else because FIREFOX ON MAC DEVELOPERS HAVE NO BRAIN < 1247086567 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ... Wow. < 1247086590 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why can't they just do what Qt does and use native widgets? < 1247086597 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: also the title/toolbar gradient still goes dark, light, dark < 1247086600 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, qt fails on os x too < 1247086609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's something about the platform that causes everyone to lose their attention to detail < 1247086613 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's the obnoxious users. < 1247086622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: (as opposed to light, dark as normal os x) < 1247086628 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's because its OS X support is technically still a WIP. < 1247086635 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, the time it took them to fake it with XUL? could have written a native cocoa interface. < 1247086663 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :firefox's html5 parser seems to work great < 1247086676 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better than what they used to do; Qt used to just draw native-looking widgets. < 1247086682 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is eeeew. < 1247086686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: well that's the last time i used qt < 1247086688 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be better now < 1247086696 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tried Qt 4? < 1247086707 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i'd like to < 1247086736 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Qt 4 renders with native widgets whenever possible. < 1247086740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1247086762 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, now I'm using firefox I can... notice that its font-rendering still looks totally nonnative and ugly on a lot of stuff. < 1247086763 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh. < 1247086764 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, < 1247086766 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mathml! < 1247086771 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :html5 video! < 1247086776 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i have to decide if it was worth that. < 1247086788 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: but... Theora vs. h264 < 1247086805 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firefox on Mac OS X is in rather a weird place in that particular battle < 1247086814 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: YOU SHOULD USE THEORA BECAUSE IF YOU USE THEORA THERE'S ABOUT A 30% CHANCE PEOPLE WON'T SUE YOU (DOWN FROM 0.01%) < 1247086819 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IF IT LOOKS BAD DRINK A FEW BEERS! < 1247086825 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Libre! < 1247086835 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*30% LESS CHANCE < 1247086852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You need the latest beta version of Firefox to view this demo!" —dailymotion.com's HTML 5 video test page < 1247086862 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess they removed it from the latest nightlies huh! < 1247086868 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you mean they're sniffing versions? < 1247086869 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it's dailymotion is checking for a specific useragent string < 1247086869 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazing! < 1247086872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1247086874 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was being sarcastic < 1247086877 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than using fallback like you're supposed to < 1247086896 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries a MathML test page; surely this will work? < 1247086900 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and acid3 tested fallback for IIRC, so fallback for