< 1249171209 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure i know like a furry or two < 1249171210 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1249171325 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS DOTH PISS ME OFF < 1249171333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just want to get rid of that damn dock >_< < 1249171359 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't be a dick, duck the dock < 1249171360 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOTH IT NOW? < 1249171371 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't be a dick, dig the dock! :P < 1249171386 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... A GRAVE < 1249171435 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION resorts to google searches like "i hate the dock" and "obliterate dock" < 1249171500 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`google get rid of mac os x dock < 1249171520 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo is gone?? D-8 < 1249171536 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1249171539 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has been for N time < 1249171550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: it's mostly just "HURR REMOVE THE REFLECTIVE DOCK" < 1249171554 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas i want the whole thing gone < 1249171573 0 :HackEgo!n=HackEgo@codu.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1249171600 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translateto hu HUR HUR HUR < 1249171608 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translatefromto en hu HUR HUR HUR < 1249171610 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW HOW HOW < 1249171611 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hur Hur Hur < 1249171613 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1249171615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW HOW HOW < 1249171626 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translatefromto hu en HOW HOW HOW < 1249171629 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW HOW HOW < 1249171684 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think W is used much in hungarian < 1249171706 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translatefromto hu en HOGY HOGY HOGY < 1249171708 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW TO THAT < 1249171721 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :versatile word, HOGY < 1249171750 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translatefromto hu en HOGY HOGY HOGY HOGY < 1249171752 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT THAT THAT THAT < 1249171753 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translatefromto hu en Hogy hogy hogy, hogy, hogy hogy hogy hogy; hogy! Hogy, hogy. Hogy, hogy hogy. < 1249171755 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to to to to to that, that! How to. How, how. < 1249171778 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1249171783 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1249171810 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hungarian. Wow. < 1249171882 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if you want to ask someone "how do I do that?" brokenly, you can say "Hogy hogy hogy?". < 1249171900 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "that" is in the conjunction sense, iirc. < 1249171978 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a pronoun < 1249171982 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1249172001 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "How do I do hard things?" → "Hogy hogy hogy [which is hard]". < 1249172003 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't know about the "to" sense < 1249172011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/"\.$/?"./ < 1249172030 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translatefromto en hu How do I do hard things? < 1249172032 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I do kemény dolgokat? < 1249172035 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how "Hogy, hogy hogy" becomes "How, how". < 1249172040 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good grief < 1249172042 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'MA JUST IGNORE THIS ONE RIGHT HEERE < 1249172061 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translatefromto en hu that which is hard < 1249172064 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :, ami kemény < 1249172066 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translatefromto en hu How can I do hard things? < 1249172068 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I do kemény dolgokat? < 1249172069 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translatefromto hu en Hogy hogy hogy ami kemény < 1249172071 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is how kemĂŠny < 1249172076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translatefromto hu en Hogy hogy hogy ami kemeny < 1249172078 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How hard is that < 1249172080 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1249172118 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote `translatefromto hu en Hogy hogy hogy ami kemeny How hard is that < 1249172126 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :57| `translatefromto hu en Hogy hogy hogy ami kemeny How hard is that < 1249172159 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :laughing while drink is in your mouth is hard < 1249172161 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true story < 1249172174 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well doesn't have to be drinkable < 1249172176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be any liquid < 1249172189 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, Hungarian is hard to translate. Got it. < 1249172233 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translatefromto en hu How is babby formed? < 1249172235 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hogyan babby alakult? < 1249172250 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translateto hu baby < 1249172252 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :baba < 1249172260 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hogyan babba alakult? < 1249172330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translate fromto en hu How hard is that < 1249172332 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fromto en hu How hard is that < 1249172332 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translatefromto en hu How hard is that < 1249172335 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mennyire nehéz az, hogy < 1249172337 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1249172342 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOGY HOGY HOGY < 1249172351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Azstal! < 1249172356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does "hogy hogy hogy ami kemeny" mean? < 1249172362 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"az" actually means that, btw < 1249172367 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*"that" < 1249172390 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translatefromto en hu Hogy az hogy < 1249172392 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hogy az hogy < 1249172398 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translatefromto hu en Hogy az hogy < 1249172400 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is that < 1249172410 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ami kemeny you already translated. ami is a relative pronoun btw. < 1249172425 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translatefromto hu en Hogy ami hogy kemeny hogy hogy < 1249172427 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How hard is that to that < 1249172428 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, "hogyhogy" is an expression of surprise, unrelated to hogy < 1249172437 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Azstal: Hahaha < 1249172437 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1249172437 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translatefromto hu en Hogy az < 1249172439 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How the < 1249172442 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that just makes it even better < 1249172444 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1249172468 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Azstal: so is there anything hogy DOESN'T mean in hungarian? :D < 1249172504 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :az also is the definite article in front of vowels < 1249172570 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Supercalifragalisticexpialidocious. < 1249172584 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1249172585 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*i < 1249172683 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beh, someone fix this < 1249172701 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1249172781 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translatefromto hu en Hogy-hogy, hogy érted, hogy "Hogyan"? < 1249172783 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to ĂŠrted "how"? < 1249172827 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Non-unicode must DIE. < 1249172889 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Society for the Extermination of Non-Unicode Character Sets — http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1249172925 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: UTF- < 1249172926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* < 1249172938 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :society for solving the REAL fucking problem — http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1249172953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the REAL fucking problem is usually wanting to do something practical) < 1249172959 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Thou art a dumbass. < 1249172962 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Society for the Extermination of Non-Unicode Character Sets — http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1249172973 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: now _that_ is a topic i simply refuse to believe for this channel < 1249172978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :society for solving the REAL fucking problem — http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1249172989 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: as I said, (the REAL fucking problem is usually wanting to do something practical) < 1249173050 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Society for the Extermination of Unicde -- http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1249173059 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Society for the Extermination of Unicode -- http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1249173075 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeþ. < 1249173090 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Bad lisp you've got there. < 1249173100 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not lexically scoped < 1249173131 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Yeþ, I know. < 1249173180 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've alſo got a bad caſe of þe ſ-eþ. < 1249174452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boo. < 1249175606 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1249175702 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: you need to uninstall CUPS, quick! < 1249175720 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: haha < 1249175720 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I feel like learning Parsec. Let's see about writing, oh, an IRC parser. < 1249175727 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Apple make it!! < 1249175732 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: barely anything to lawn < 1249175734 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1249175735 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :learn < 1249175749 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Eh, yeah. < 1249175765 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably won't take me long to write this parser. < 1249175811 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, might not be hard to make it a full client or some such. < 1249175830 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using gtk2hs! < 1249176272 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1249176716 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, so I think I adore Parsec. < 1249176958 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what's fun? < 1249176969 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compiling a big project with libstdc++'s pedantic mode < 1249176992 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1249177004 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... does there exist a langage where operator precedence is determined by whitespace? < 1249177017 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1249177020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :merd, for instance < 1249177032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1249177833 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1249177867 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is even at least one pseudo-real language, Fortress. < 1249179258 0 :immibis!n=IceChat7@125-236-168-223.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1249181779 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone had the following error compiling the Linux kernel, and does anyone know how to fix it? "/(path)/linux-2.6.30.4/usr/Makefile:50: *** target pattern contains no '%'. Stop." < 1249181814 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's bizarre ... make --version? < 1249182263 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU Make 3.81 < 1249182478 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The line is "$(deps_initramfs):" (which seems rather pointless) < 1249182482 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that answers nothing :) < 1249182505 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :commenting out that line causes the same error on "$(deps_initramfs): klibcdirs" (which also seems pointless as it could be combined with the previous line) < 1249182573 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a way i can have make output the value of deps_initramfs? < 1249182600 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which also does not seem to be set anywhere (???) < 1249182641 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the path does not contain : (since googling told me that would cause the problem) < 1249182742 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reappears < 1249182746 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a clue, can't help < 1249182806 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis: echo? < 1249182817 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pooppy: In a makefile? < 1249182893 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A makefile which won't load because it has above mentioned weird error) < 1249182971 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make -d < 1249183239 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: why not? < 1249183266 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will execute arbitrary commands; echo seems like a perfect candidate < 1249183273 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because ... the makefile won't load? So it wouldn't actually run the echo line, no matter where you put it? < 1249185002 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Soushokuon < 1249185329 0 :augur!n=augur@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1249187371 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1249188271 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@a-7.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1249188940 0 :Halph!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1249188952 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1249188960 0 :Halph!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :coppro < 1249189041 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting... fair dealing, while less braod in Canada, is considered a right, not a defense < 1249189104 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the US, the precedent is that fair use is the only reason copyright law is constitutional. < 1249189146 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but in the US it's considered a defense, not a right, so you cannot, for instance, sue for restriction of fair use < 1249189163 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1249189172 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas apparently in Canada it is actually a right, so in theory you could sue for restriction of it < 1249189174 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish you could. < 1249189186 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I'd have to read the SCC judgment < 1249189200 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, the only way to do that would be massive copyright reform -- and while we're at it, we may as well fix all the rest. < 1249189214 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which would make that much less needed. < 1249189395 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, it's pretty explicit "The fair dealing exception, like other exceptions in the Copyright Act, is a user’s right." < 1249189466 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it doesn't mean you could necessarily sue over it < 1249190226 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a practical matter, courts tend to very strongly support the status quo interpretation of laws and the interests of property and rights holders against legal theories (even sensible ones) that would tend to disrupt them. < 1249190402 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but the text I quoted is directly from an SCC ruling < 1249190490 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, how do you make use of it? < 1249190508 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the idea that you could attack DRM with it? < 1249190539 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, in theory < 1249190545 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it was stupidly restrictive < 1249190558 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :find a lawyer who could start a class action suit on behalf of consumers with the tort being that their property right of fair dealing was taken? < 1249190697 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not saying it's likely < 1249190721 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im honestly interested, the 'use the system against itself' style reform often has a better chance of success (copyleft in general has worked well for isntance) < 1249190764 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you Canadian? < 1249190796 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, citizen of the world, fighting for information freedom everywhere (*gives the EFF salute*) < 1249190801 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1249190821 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what's funny that I just realized? < 1249190845 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1249190849 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1249190870 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suppose you brought this against a record company. In Canada, it's not illegal yet to circumvent protection measures. So they could probably defend themselves by bringing that up. But they're probably too arrogant to do so. < 1249190912 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although they don't have good standing with the Canadian courts < 1249190991 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@a-5.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1249191433 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: You remember your odd experiments with Javascript 3D rendering? < 1249191438 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://deanm.github.com/pre3d/monster.html You just got one-upped. < 1249191543 0 :Soushokuon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1249191686 0 :Soushokuon!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1249192773 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1249194902 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1249196131 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im trying to find my copy of the classic 'information theory and its engineering applications' book, but the entropy of my house is too high for me to uncover the signal < 1249196249 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alas, it is well known that decreasing entropy in a system requires applying work to it < 1249196291 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well stated. < 1249196373 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have an interesting related theorem i believe < 1249196401 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :again, without work to replenish, the information content of bookshelves decreases, because ONLY THE BOOKS YOU ACTUALLY USE will ever be 'lost' from them < 1249196422 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of the books that you never take off the shelf just stay there, but every book you actually take off the shelf has a finite positive chance of loss < 1249196461 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just as long as you don't get book worms < 1249196504 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, as always its hard to nail down those boundary conditions precisely < 1249196531 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :completely loss due to fire does indeed have a way of inverting the situation, where only the books checked OUT from the libarary might be preserved < 1249196548 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if everyone who checked out books from the library of alexandria had stolen them, would we be better off>? < 1249196580 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION returns to bookshelf and bookpile rummaging < 1249196643 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a very hypatical question < 1249196833 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, although given the 'doesnt remove the original' aspect of digital data, as a thought experiment it gives the pro-piracy argument some moral force in terms of 'we are acting to preserve data for future generations, in the large scale, despite our self-interested motives of the moment' < 1249197114 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometime last year i spent an entire day retracing my steps of the previous day to find this EXACT book, which i had left sitting on the grass where i had been reading it in a park < 1249197125 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something about this particularly treasured volume makes it try to escape from me! < 1249197851 0 :augur!n=augur@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1249199148 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1249199999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1249200000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1249200492 0 :Soushokuon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1249200530 0 :Soushokuon!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1249200643 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@77-100-194-169.cable.ubr04.pres.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1249201349 0 :Soushokuon!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Notes_d-agrement < 1249201901 0 :Dewio!n=dewi@203-214-111-155.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1249202674 0 :Dewi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) < 1249203455 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"I cna ytpe 300 wrods pre mniuet!!!" < 1249205234 0 :Notes_d-agrement!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1249205668 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1249209246 0 :Apoyaturas!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1249209672 0 :Judofyr_!n=Judofyr@ti211310a341-1526.bb.online.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1249210610 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1249211254 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1249215224 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1249215960 0 :Judofyr_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Judofyr < 1249216375 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.72.107 JOIN :#esoteric < 1249216472 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Actually, all bullshit aside, I do have an idea for an application that will (edit legally) put money in your bank account every time you press a button in Firefox. < 1249216473 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, I don't have the skills to write such an application (which would be nothing more than an adaptation of existing open source software), so I'm keeping my mouth shut until I save < 1249216473 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :up a grand or so to rent a coder. Or find a genuine interested party that would be willing to sign an agreement, write the code and split the profits with me - a 30% me /60% you /10% overhead split would be generous, I believe.]] < 1249216473 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I so hope this idiot tries to sell whatever it is, that'd just be hilarious < 1249216791 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1249217069 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We don't provide the 'easy to program for' console that [developers] want, because 'easy to program for' means that anybody will be able to take advantage of pretty much what the hardware can do, so then the question is what do you do for the rest of the nine-and-a-half years?" < 1249217070 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :— Sony CEO on the PS3 < 1249219800 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-7-34.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1249221987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The choice of power cord one makes to transmit AC over the final feet to a component has the potential to be the most influential sonic link in a music system's power chain." < 1249221987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :— lol, audiophiles < 1249222100 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they pretty much admit it's magic < 1249222103 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even to themselves < 1249222282 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1249222311 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone who cares about that stuff should just read http://hydrogenaudio.org/ (where they use crazy things like logic and the scientific method) and be done with it < 1249222317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to, to a degree < 1249222319 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't really any more < 1249222528 0 :M0ny!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-38-136.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1249223141 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1249223523 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1249223582 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1249224101 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a rather vacuous conversation, isn't it? < 1249224111 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 minutes of nothing but whitespace... < 1249224229 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1249224957 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1249224994 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello ais523 < 1249224997 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1249226870 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In[6]:= Sum[i, {i, 0, n}] < 1249226870 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Out[6]= 1/2 n (1 + n) < 1249226870 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In[7]:= Sum[i, {i, 1, n}] < 1249226870 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Out[7]= 1/2 n (1 + n) < 1249226872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear Mathematica: < 1249226874 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1249226876 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Love, < 1249226878 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :— oh, wait. < 1249226881 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :God, I'm stupid today. < 1249226887 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to sleep better. < 1249226891 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been the dumb recently. < 1249226897 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see. < 1249226911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :puzzlet: lucky you aren't blind < 1249226968 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1249227684 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1249228806 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1249231022 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1249233005 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1249233508 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1249234134 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1249235578 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@ti211310a341-1526.bb.online.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1249235906 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1249235960 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-172-4-88.range86-172.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1249237048 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1249237081 0 :MigoMipo_!n=MigoMipo@84-217-7-34.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1249237091 0 :MigoMipo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1249237144 0 :MigoMipo!n=chatzill@84-217-7-34.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1249237413 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@ti211310a341-1526.bb.online.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1249238695 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1249240527 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1249240634 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is with the quiet < 1249240640 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone going to church or something :D < 1249240646 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm busy playing pokemon, zzo38-style < 1249240648 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although not on IRC < 1249240700 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but still text based? :P < 1249240709 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more or less < 1249240718 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a couple of small graphics in the corner, to make it look more graphical < 1249240721 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the text log is the useful bit < 1249240730 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what is this, exactly? < 1249240738 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shoddy Battle, it's a pokemon simulator < 1249240750 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic < 1249240786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i'd just use an emulator and that thingy that uses a networked computer as a connected second gameboy :-P < 1249240825 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simulators are better for practice, because you don't have to catch the pokemon first; you can request any pokemon that it's theoretically possible to get, no matter how unlikely < 1249240886 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: emulators come with hex-editing thingamajic < 1249240886 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1249240888 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\ns/s/ < 1249240890 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's how NetBattle (presumably the 'pocket monster IRC' that zzo38 used) works < 1249240891 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, more of a fuss < 1249240894 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but more realistic < 1249240895 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: also more illegal < 1249240901 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: erm, no < 1249240908 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :editing some bits in memor yisn't illegal < 1249240912 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but the emulator is < 1249240917 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: No, it's not. < 1249240921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emulation is not illegal. < 1249240921 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it implies you have an illegal copy of pokemon < 1249240923 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :emulators are legal; the game images may not be < 1249240926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it does not, ais523. < 1249240930 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the game image I was talking about < 1249240945 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a) you could make a device to read it from a cartridge (b) You *already paid for it/ < 1249240950 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\/$/*/ < 1249240956 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also, zzo made that himself, like everything < 1249240960 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on copyright law in your country < 1249240977 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ah, ok < 1249240988 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it turns out zzo38 invented NetBattle, I'll really laugh my head out < 1249240994 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, more likely it was a different one < 1249241049 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1249241311 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1249241336 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Rebus" < 1249242327 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-114-024.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1249243423 0 :upyr[emacs]!n=user@79.174.35.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1249243989 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1249244760 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1249246245 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1249246750 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@77-100-194-169.cable.ubr04.pres.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1249247757 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1249248255 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1249248745 0 :augur!n=augur@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1249249185 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi augur. < 1249249190 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A naugur. < 1249249502 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :draft-n wifi can transfer an uncompressed 1920x1200 screenshot over tcp/ip in 0.70s < 1249249506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet < 1249249525 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :add a bit of compression and use a single-purpose protocol and you're pretty close to having a wireless screen < 1249249558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :60hz needs 0.01s < 1249249570 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compression, you could easily get like 0.3s < 1249249583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :single purpose, well the maximum theoretical throughput is like >400mbit < 1249249588 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if we say 400mbit < 1249249612 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's 0.08s < 1249249663 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := 12.5 fps < 1249249674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm sure there's faster protocols than wireless.n < 1249249689 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/wireless\.n/draft-n wifi/ < 1249250431 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1249250754 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that DisplayLink thing does 1920x1200 over USB 2; and WirelessUSB/UWB say they can provide the equivalent 480 Mbit/s for 3 meters. < 1249250885 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@75-106-100-121.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1249251578 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1249251586 0 :Apoyaturas!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Gracenotes < 1249252327 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-091-089-027-168.hsi2.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1249252491 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1249253044 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 2008, DisplayLink announced the first Wireless USB products powered by their technology. To date they have announced products or partnerships with Wireless USB technology vendors Alereon[8], Realtek[9], and WiQuest[10]. < 1249253046 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1249253069 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In May 2009, DisplayLink launched its second semiconductor product family, the DL-125, DL-165, and DL-195 USB 2.0 graphics devices. This DL-1x5 family brings improved performance, an increase in maximum resolution to 2048x1152, and the integration of a DVI transmitter and video DAC. The first products to ship with the new DL-1x5 chips were the Samsung Lapfit LD190G and LD220G monitors.[12] < 1249253100 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't understand enough to know why that is a lol < 1249253104 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but can it handle 60fps/sec always? < 1249253115 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's exactly what fizzie's just said, except already thought of < 1249253131 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An upcoming 1.1 specification will increase speed to 1 Gbit/s and working frequencies up to 6 GHz. < 1249253131 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :—[[Wireless USB]] < 1249253177 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@75-106-100-121.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1249253566 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't much talk about framerates, but since some form of compression is involved, it might have a bit unstable worst-case behaviour. < 1249253619 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, their marketing literature is the typical "DisplayLink DL2+ adaptive compression scheme ensures a highly interactive, ultra low latency user experience that is nearly indistinguishable from a traditional monitor connection", but the terms "ultra low" and "nearly" aren't defined anywhere. < 1249253734 0 :pikhq_!n=pikhq@75-106-100-121.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1249253749 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1249253759 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :pikhq < 1249253833 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Single-link DVI (which is enough for 1920x1200 at 60 Hz) data-carrying bandwidth is 3.96 Gbit/s, apparently, so that's what it takes to push an unmodified DVI signal through. (165 MHz clock, one pixel/clock, 24 bits per pixel.) < 1249253844 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1249253854 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a lot of gbits. < 1249253875 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :USB 3 will do 4.8 Gbit/s, they say. < 1249253882 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but ehh how much is that just blargh metadata < 1249253886 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*of that is < 1249253918 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sleep now that i slashed it up! so everybody could get down wit this slang teenagers use now. nice talk. then again, reality is usually more clumsy than what? < 1249253958 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: shut up, fungot < 1249253958 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: very little requires lap hackery.) in a function name and arguments as opposed to fnord < 1249253964 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: i said shut up < 1249253965 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: " i went and implemented them.)) be considered a pattern comprising a subset of l(lbas)), not y. < 1249253976 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.5.1/20090715094852]" < 1249253990 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lap-hackery sounds a bit indecent. Sort of a mixture of a lap-dance and hacking. (Okay, really gone now.) < 1249254035 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh, "i sleep now" < 1249254036 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was like < 1249254038 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually sleeping < 1249254044 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you should make it a /quit script < 1249254119 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1249254164 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@75-106-100-121.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1249254578 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god.. sometimes reading stackoverflow, it seems the stupid is seeping into my head. make it stop ;_; < 1249254735 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe there is a button on your computer that will make it stop. it may have symbol something like a circle interrupted with a crossing bar at the top. < 1249254803 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, I should try that sometime. but I think I've already solved it by clicking on an orange square with a white x through it. < 1249254824 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that may work too < 1249254833 0 :pikhq_!n=pikhq@75-106-100-121.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1249254854 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1249255026 0 :pikhq_!n=pikhq@75-106-100-121.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1249255038 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: why would you ever read stackoverflow? < 1249255080 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boredom. getting consensus of general developer community. lolling. < 1249255101 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nowadays it's depressing me < 1249255138 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-114-024.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1249255170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: stack overflow is the retarded cousin of the "general developer community" < 1249255173 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for the second, you basically find herding cats too unchallenging? < 1249255238 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it is my unfounded opinion that it is actually a pretty accurate cross-section < 1249255245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your opinion sucks < 1249255268 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no u < 1249255437 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: so anyway, you're saying most developers are smarter than those on SO? < 1249255500 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I'm just saying that SO sucks :P < 1249255552 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IS THIS SO! < 1249255638 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no. THIS. IS. *is stabbed*) < 1249255676 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1249255785 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have just deduced the consensus of all life forms. it appears to be "breed furiously by cell division" < 1249255873 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there were some giant forms suggesting something called "sex", but they were such a tiny minority they could just be ignored. < 1249255898 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah well fuck bacterias < 1249255913 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can nuke everything away if we want to < 1249255913 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So shut up < 1249255957 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am doubtful of that. < 1249255972 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are apparently life forms deep in the earth's crust < 1249256195 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could probably nuke them too < 1249256400 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay... Ubuntu update time.. this will be a painful 2 days... *prepares to take it like a man* < 1249256452 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :pikhq < 1249256470 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YEAH LET'S DO THIS < 1249256477 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Not to mention the bottom of the ocean. < 1249256484 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in orbit. < 1249256492 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: Two days? < 1249256506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a new variant of Ubuntu of which I was not previously aware. < 1249256517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specifically, where updating to the next release takes two days, not an hour. < 1249256531 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't really ever read Stackoverflow. < 1249256539 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: probably. I'm doing two OS version updates, plus the hundreds of libraries I've needed to update for some time, and all over wireless. < 1249256546 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, basically Gracenotes < 1249256550 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shall read it, and soon after become homicidal. < 1249256551 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you disabled the automatic update daemon < 1249256563 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and neglected to upgrade for a major release < 1249256568 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :question, Gracenotes < 1249256572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you stupid? < 1249256578 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stfu. I stuck with 8.04 because it was convenient, and stable. < 1249256588 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sure is looking convenient now. 2 days, cool cool. < 1249256589 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no motivation to update. < 1249256598 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Similarly, I'm using Windows 3.11. < 1249256605 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After all, it has an IRC client. < 1249256609 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now there is an app-need-threshold < 1249256617 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are apparently used to Windows. Which updates once every decade. < 1249256631 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: lots of people use 8.04. I AM PROUD TO BE ONE OF THEM < 1249256640 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM PROUD TO HAVER UPPERCASE LETTERS < 1249256645 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Avoid recursion". < 1249256653 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MURDER, I WRITE. < 1249256667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Recursion -is- low level, but that's probably not what they meant. < 1249256670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: Anyway, doesn't excuse ignoring the "HEY, YOU, UPDATE THESE PACKAGES" icon. < 1249256678 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That takes 5 minutes, tops. Click, click, ignore. < 1249256681 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: eh? I update packages regularly. < 1249256687 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"plus the hundreds of libraries I've needed to update for some time" < 1249256696 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, because they are not available with this OS < 1249256709 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: For a recursive-decent parser in a C-oid language. < 1249256711 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will never understand people who don't upgrade regularly. < 1249256726 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do fucking update my libraries regularly, but some of the latest versions are not available for 8.04 < 1249256730 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes, why are you dumb? < 1249256734 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: maybe if you're parsing a 2 gig file consisting ((((…()…)))) < 1249256741 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: I meant the OS, too. < 1249256748 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I didn't. < 1249256751 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Embrace the package manager. < 1249256757 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's really silly to disregard new OS updates because, on the face of it, you don't need anything in them. < 1249256766 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you all talking about. I use the update manager regularly. < 1249256769 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS IS SLANDER < 1249256774 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: … < 1249256776 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then what are you doing? < 1249256780 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Upgrading your faeries? < 1249256782 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, the OS. < 1249256810 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aptitude update;aptitude safe-upgrade -- is that hard to get? < 1249256820 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Nononono < 1249256824 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use the upgrade manager in Ubuntu. < 1249256835 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: again, I effectively do that < 1249256842 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: Stop breaking things. < 1249256844 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's bad. < 1249256846 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: For upgrading major versions, sure. < 1249256848 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You shouldn't do bad things. < 1249256850 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That's what he's doing. < 1249256854 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the aptitude update does not include the OS. < 1249256874 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. "aptitude update" (a) is using aptitude, which is silly and (b) updates the list of packages. < 1249256878 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't upgrade anything. < 1249256890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm a bastard because I care, I swear.) < 1249256895 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are aware that all Ubuntu versions use different repositories? Hence package upgrading is implied in OS upgrade? < 1249256903 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some (not all) packages? < 1249256922 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What you're saying is completely true and utterly irrelevant to anything I'm saying. < 1249256943 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: Yes, but that's beside the point. UPGRADE AT MAJOR VERSIONS. < 1249256959 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're such angry defenders of the One True Way of computing. < 1249256959 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah yeah, that's what I'm doing < 1249256961 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need a team name. < 1249256968 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like… the GOOD COMPUTERIZORS. < 1249256968 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When it updates. < 1249256970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. No. < 1249256976 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a year after. < 1249256998 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was new when it came out. it's called complacency, and IT IS OKAY! *makes peace sign* < 1249257000 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which in Linux-land is about on par with trying to upgrade a system from DOS 6.0 to Vista) < 1249257016 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: A year? < 1249257020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was released in April. < 1249257023 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I exaggerate. < 1249257025 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your years are… weird :P < 1249257034 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It's not even been a year since the release he's running :P < 1249257050 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Wait, Ubuntu does majors more than twice a year? < 1249257052 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But srsly guys, update. There's a reason software is changed. < 1249257056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Six-month cycle. < 1249257068 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And he said he's two majors behind... < 1249257073 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But he also said 8.10. < 1249257080 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: he may be updating to the Karmic beta < 1249257088 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1249257093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is rather silly. < 1249257093 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8.04 was released April 2008, which I'm using < 1249257098 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: oh god. < 1249257099 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And didn't he say 8.04, not 8.10? < 1249257100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not even 8.10? < 1249257109 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dayum Gracenotes, you bitch dumb. < 1249257124 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(bitch dumb, n. Ghettorifically dumb.) < 1249257128 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8.10 was released October 2008, which I was busy studying and doing homework and generally being too busy to update < 1249257137 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: You are upgrading less often than Debian does stable releases. < 1249257138 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1249257144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You do realise upgrading to Ubuntu takes one click and it does it in the background, right? < 1249257148 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you just reboot in an hour? < 1249257156 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it breaks my sound :( < 1249257163 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's some epic studying/homework/business that prevents you doing it. < 1249257166 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :honestly I have somewhat of a sound-breaking phobia < 1249257176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it breaks your sound u did it rong. < 1249257182 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1249257185 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once I held off a kernel upgrade for a month because I was afraid of sound-breaking < 1249257193 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how bitch dumb I am! and proud of it! < 1249257197 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need a therapist. :P < 1249257201 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it did break my sound, too. < 1249257226 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALSA is a cruel bitch. < 1249257233 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So don't use it. < 1249257236 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use OSSv4! < 1249257248 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: He does have a point, though: Ubuntu has done fucking weird things with their sound in the past year or so. < 1249257252 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, I hate sound systems. They're so analogue. < 1249257258 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why can't we have digital speakers? ;_; < 1249257268 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, ALSA... I must come back to it, like an abused housewife < 1249257269 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They switched to PulseAudio... And they used a broken build of it. < 1249257278 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: oh ubuntu have a ton of fuckups < 1249257281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know that < 1249257313 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even going to try Karmic < 1249257321 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe in two months I'll get back to you < 1249257347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: I suggest you try Arch, so that it can sneak all its upgrades in as innocuous standard package upgrade fare. < 1249257358 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's For Your Own Good(TM). < 1249257420 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stfu arch advocate < 1249257444 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: I'm a computherapist. < 1249257449 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha. < 1249257456 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prescribe the solution that will ease your ailments. < 1249257458 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing more. < 1249257469 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes, you have no right to talk. A year in Linux of no updates is like a decade in Windows-land. < 1249257474 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my software sources preferences indicate that I only upgrade to long term support releases < 1249257478 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shit changes fast. < 1249257485 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION changes that < 1249257486 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sometimes it's placebo; I once rebranded Ubuntu as Gobuntu — without modification — to appease a freetard who longed for integration and hardware support.) < 1249257492 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((Oh wait, that actually happened. :P)) < 1249257539 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"New distribution release '8.10' is available." See?? Ubuntu says it's new! < 1249257574 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ÞOU ſHALT UPDATE < 1249257589 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh pikhq, you're making me so thorny