00:00:16 I understand s/// 00:00:24 of course, i practically speak (*$%|*(#$&*/#*($&\/\#(*$ as my native language 00:01:48 mycroftiv: Oh so witty 00:01:52 Perl is line noise amirite 00:02:12 you know the defintion of unix, right? "40 defintions of regexp living under one roof" 00:02:44 never understood why there wasn't a standard regex toolset for unix 00:02:54 it's the obvious thing to do from the start 00:03:03 same reason we have more than one programming language in the world and more than one use of symbols in computers in general 00:03:13 people like to make their own thing 00:03:35 mycroftiv: but Ken Thompson did it! 00:03:45 unix philosophy! they actually used it those days 00:03:47 so why not for regexp? 00:04:13 I'm very much in favour of the operating system providing a whole lot though 00:04:34 (Arguably bloat, but I don't separate the operating system and the programs on top, so.) 00:04:42 i think the distinction between OS and software is something we should get beyond anyway 00:04:51 yep 00:04:57 my OS is object-based 00:05:05 i fight with plan9 people about this a lot, because i think they dont even understand their own os or its concepts really 00:05:14 intelligent objects with methods to manipulate and transform them, plus extra methods that make a visualisation of that object and provide a UI to manipulate it 00:05:27 you'd be hard-pressed to sell any "software" for it 00:05:38 "Adobe bitmap image editing components 7.0!" 00:07:14 hmm, how do your provide visualization and UI for objects in a 'universal' way? how do you avoid having specific software tools to work with specific types of objects? 00:07:53 maybe not so much avoid as discourage 00:08:21 mycroftiv: because you don't give a tool object the object to work on 00:08:26 you ask the object for an interface 00:08:29 -!- jix has joined. 00:08:38 the emphasis is very much on communicating with smart objects 00:08:53 and tools don't contain their behaviour, really 00:08:59 the interface just asks the object directly 00:09:02 and you add stuff to the object 00:09:04 sure, you CAN do a tool 00:09:06 but it'd be awkward 00:09:07 oh, well, in that case the mapping simply places the traditional software/UI component inside the object, sure 00:09:12 and be really hard to start etc 00:09:21 mycroftiv: well, there are extensible interfaces ofc 00:09:43 but at the end of it, you're clicking something that modifies an object it's showing, yes. 00:09:49 so what is paradigm for 'shifting' data as content between different interfaces? 00:09:56 but the workflow differs 00:10:03 mycroftiv: well, when you ask the object for an interface 00:10:07 it gives you an appropriate interface object 00:10:12 and that interface obviously contains the object 00:10:13 so 00:10:17 just grab the object from the interface 00:10:20 and ask it for another interface 00:10:24 non-destructive updates 00:10:27 if you flip an image in a UI 00:10:28 can it attach to and make use of interface components/tools located in other objects? 00:10:29 it doesn't change the image 00:10:32 it just updates the image in the interface 00:10:36 so e.h. 00:10:38 *e.g. 00:10:39 you can copy that 00:10:42 and manipulate that flipped image 00:10:42 OR 00:10:45 link the two images together 00:10:49 and manipulate the image as you work 00:10:49 like 00:11:01 have an inverted image of another interface's image 00:11:03 scale the image in the latter 00:11:07 and it updates the inverted image 00:11:10 mycroftiv: sure 00:12:33 yeah, im thinking about how to translate various tasks from the traditional model to this model 00:13:00 i don't really have specific things fleshed out 00:13:06 but the general model seems sound 00:13:18 you have to be careful about where you place your object in the abstraction layer tho 00:13:25 so - old model - i have (your favorite!) a text file - i can bring the data from that text file into a 'word processor' app to do various font/formatting stuff, or i can bring that text data into my 'rpg game creator' environment to use as a message on the wall the player can read 00:13:27 e.g. (webPage browser) isn't acceptable 00:13:32 because you have cookies and the like 00:13:49 mycroftiv: ok, lemme give that a shot 00:13:53 now, in the new model - the base object of the content can provide me a 'word processor like interface' by making use of that module, right? 00:14:17 You bring up your text object, which brings up the default interface, which has the ability to switch to other interfaces. 00:14:26 First you might convert it to rich text, say. 00:14:40 You select your desired interface, and do font/formatting stuff like usual. 00:14:45 you'd have e.g. 00:14:54 PlainText>>awesomeWordProcessorInterface 00:14:59 with the source being like 00:15:14 self interfaceUsing: [ AwesomeWordProcessor new with: self ] 00:15:25 so, you have that rich text 00:15:32 and you extract the object from it 00:15:35 so if i want to 'connect' the interface of the basically textual object to the object that is game/game-dev like, the text object 'imports a component' from the game/dev object to allow the interfaces to interact? (typed this while reading your explanation btw) 00:15:40 now, in your RPG creator 00:15:51 you plug in that object in to the "message on wall" fied 00:15:53 *field 00:16:00 if you plugged it in directly from the word processor without copying 00:16:03 then you can edit in the word processor 00:16:06 and it edits in the rpg 00:16:07 ok, yeah, i think i see how it can be modelled and work within the context youve described 00:16:09 if you copy it like usual 00:16:12 then it's a snapshot in time 00:16:33 mycroftiv: generally there's not too much separate interface interaction, since that just leads to "app"-specific hell 00:16:40 you generally operate directly with the objects 00:16:45 yeah, im trying to 'think my way out' of the paradigm 00:16:55 but yeah, you could absolutely stick two interfaces together and tell them to talk 00:16:57 if they know the other 00:17:09 thinking as a hypothetical user working with the hypoethetically existent system and trying to visualize what is im doing 00:17:23 well i'm speaking in vague things like extracting the object because i haven't got on to the actual ui work 00:17:28 so i don't know how exactly you'd go about that 00:18:47 mycroftiv: one thing I'm totally unsure on is how to go about versioning every change of everything 00:18:51 i don't want to eat up disk 00:18:57 since you are pursuing a kind of 'vision of purity' i would say as your design work continues you should make sure to create some imaginary user interfaces as you go 00:18:59 but i hate not being able to undo 00:19:44 ehird: well, cant you still have the fundamentals of persistence but still be smart about 'delayed writes' to the actual disk? 00:19:54 oh, that's handled in the persistence layer 00:19:59 right 00:20:02 the point is that if you track every single atomic change to every single object 00:20:09 oh, just so much data? 00:20:09 your 2TB disk fills up uncannily quickly 00:20:12 right 00:20:26 ehird: no, i dont think it does if you use deduplication down in that persistence layer probably 00:20:29 need real world testing 00:20:33 mm 00:20:38 but i think youd be surprised how much deduplicative storage can gain you in that regard 00:20:47 I don't know what that is; I'll look it up 00:21:06 duplicate data blocks get stored as a pointer reference to the existing data block, not as a new redundant copy 00:21:08 mycroftiv: basically diff. 00:21:12 what hardlink backups do 00:21:23 any time you see an unchanged file, make it a hardlink instead 00:21:33 except more fine-grained 00:21:39 right, its that kind of thing, but dedup data storage yeah is block level 00:21:49 and for your system, you want to do something like 'rabin fingerprinting' i think 00:22:10 this is all your low level technical stuff to make your persistence concepts not actually kill your real world disks 00:22:21 as you correctly saw the need to anticipate 00:23:13 yeah thankfully i can skimp on that at first 00:23:19 but i think you dont actually need to worry too much is what im saying 00:23:23 due to my test objects being measured in kilobytes of text :P 00:23:27 mycroftiv: yeah 00:23:32 your idea of total persistence and versioning of everything - i think its actually real world practical 00:23:34 definitely though something like an HD video editor will want to throw away data a lot 00:23:36 Things from Napoli are called Neopolitan (in English). I feel they should be called Napoleon. Discuss. 00:23:47 because i mean in cases like that 00:23:51 actually being able to use it trumps usability 00:23:54 if you know what i mean 00:23:59 GregorR-L: lawl 00:24:31 ehird: yeah it seems like being able to say 'ok dont version/make persistent this particular 5 minute video im watching on a porn site' is probably something you want to allow 00:24:39 -!- upyr[emacs] has quit (Connection timed out). 00:24:45 since you said total freedom for the user is a base design principle 00:24:51 yeah, it is 00:24:52 though 00:24:57 I'm more a gnome man than kde 00:25:09 so I definitely don't think edgecases need to be accounted for in the interface 00:25:12 as opposed to manually telling the object something 00:25:25 i.e. you can do anything, it just might not be pretty 00:26:09 but that's just a standard UI compromise 00:26:13 you could always make a new one for a new purpose 00:26:17 and transition your objects over 00:26:20 -!- Judofyr has quit (Remote closed the connection). 00:27:11 away for a bit now, thanks for explaining some more of the concepts to me 00:27:40 np :) 00:27:43 btw is there any name for this other than 'ehird's crazy persistent/versioned/rich object os' ? 00:28:02 mycroftiv: hehehe where do i start 00:28:09 naming is the hardest part of any project 00:28:13 no doubt 00:28:19 and i totally suck at it 00:28:36 let's call it foop or zoop or something for the sake of it 00:28:43 sure, just to give it a conventional label 00:29:02 i bet if you google though someone has already stolen the foop/zoop namespace for software projects 00:29:11 i meant temporarily 00:29:13 of course it's taken 00:29:52 zfoop? fzoop? zoopf? foopz? 00:30:34 bunny 00:30:37 let's call it bunny. 00:30:39 or kitten. 00:30:41 something like that 00:30:45 i vote for kitten 00:30:55 since im already rather involved with a bunny-associated os (insert glenda.jpg) 00:31:48 i dont have anything computer related filed though under 'kitten' or kittens mentally 00:32:00 one thing though 00:32:05 I am not using lolcats as a splash screen. 00:32:25 (vacuously true in a way; I'm not using any splash screen because in 1-2 seconds after it gets control it's in the state you left it in0 00:32:25 good, that means i dont have to commit physical violence if i ever meet you in person : 00:32:29 d/0$/)/ 00:32:43 -!- oerjan has joined. 00:38:42

Things from Napoli are called Neopolitan (in English). I feel they should be called Napoleon. Discuss. 00:39:13 first we need to move Napoli to Corsica. which might be better than next to Vesuvius, anyhow. 00:47:15 -!- Gracenotes has joined. 00:49:24 -!- Pthing has quit (Remote closed the connection). 01:00:32 I concur. I want Napoleon ice cream. 01:01:41 Shaped like Napoleon! 01:01:44 (Actual size) 01:02:12 Hahah. 01:02:56 mm 01:05:19 ehird: still not that big >_> 01:05:48 yeah, ego burn to the grave, holmes 01:06:04 * oerjan swats Gracenotes for perpetuating the myth -----### 01:06:20 hey. his height was below average 01:07:04 people perpetuate myths all the time, don't they? For example, that any Eskimo language has 50 words for snow or something? 01:07:24 myths that are an essential part of our cultural discourse 01:07:34 don't knock the myth. or napolean ice cream. 01:07:41 *o 01:08:27 ALSO WASHINGTON NEVER TOLD A LIE 01:09:43 "British propaganda depicted Napoleon as much smaller than average height and this image persists. Confusion about his height also results from the difference between the French pouce and British inch.2.71 and 2.54 cm respectively; he was 1.7 metres (5 ft 7 in) tall, average height for the period." 01:10:09 from infallopedia. 01:10:21 cultural discourse 01:10:45 dayum they used some crazy units back then. clearly the metric system is superior! 01:19:10 -!- Azstal has quit (bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 01:19:10 -!- ehird has quit (bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 01:19:10 -!- dbc has quit (bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 01:19:10 -!- lifthrasiir has quit (bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 01:19:10 -!- sebbu has quit (bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 01:19:10 -!- Leonidas has quit (bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 01:19:10 -!- fungot has quit (bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 01:19:10 -!- Deewiant has quit (bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 01:19:10 -!- oerjan has quit (bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 01:19:10 -!- Slereah has quit (bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 01:19:10 -!- bsmntbombdood has quit (bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 01:19:11 -!- GregorR has quit (bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 01:19:11 -!- oklopil has quit (bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 01:19:11 -!- rodgort has quit (bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 01:19:11 -!- MizardX has quit (bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 01:19:11 -!- Dewio has quit (bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 01:19:11 -!- olsner has quit (bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 01:19:11 -!- Robdgreat has quit (bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 01:19:11 -!- jix has quit (bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 01:19:11 -!- Xiin has quit (bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 01:19:11 -!- GregorR-L has quit (bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 01:19:11 -!- coppro has quit (bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 01:19:11 -!- randomity has quit (bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 01:19:11 -!- CESSMASTER has quit (bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 01:19:11 -!- ineiros has quit (bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 01:19:11 -!- cmeme has quit (bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 01:19:11 -!- pikhq has quit (bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 01:19:11 -!- Gracenotes has quit (bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 01:19:11 -!- puzzlet has quit (bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 01:19:11 -!- augur has quit (bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 01:19:11 -!- comex has quit (bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 01:19:12 -!- Ilari has quit (bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 01:19:12 -!- evenant has quit (bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 01:19:12 -!- olegfink has quit (bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 01:19:12 -!- EgoBot has quit (bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 01:19:12 -!- mycroftiv has quit (bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 01:19:12 -!- mtve has quit (bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 01:19:12 -!- SimonRC has quit (bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 01:19:12 -!- fizzie has quit (bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 01:19:12 -!- AnMaster has quit (bartol.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 01:19:12 -!- ski__ has quit (Nick collision). 01:19:12 -!- ski__ has joined. 01:19:12 -!- Gracenotes has joined. 01:19:12 -!- oerjan has joined. 01:19:12 -!- jix has joined. 01:19:12 -!- Slereah has joined. 01:19:12 -!- GregorR-L has joined. 01:19:12 -!- coppro has joined. 01:19:12 -!- ehird has joined. 01:19:12 -!- CESSMASTER has joined. 01:19:12 -!- Azstal has joined. 01:19:12 -!- puzzlet has joined. 01:19:12 -!- evenant has joined. 01:19:12 -!- AnMaster has joined. 01:19:12 -!- fizzie has joined. 01:19:12 -!- MizardX has joined. 01:19:12 -!- rodgort has joined. 01:19:12 -!- olegfink has joined. 01:19:12 -!- olsner has joined. 01:19:12 -!- Dewio has joined. 01:19:12 -!- Robdgreat has joined. 01:19:12 -!- augur has joined. 01:19:12 -!- oklopil has joined. 01:19:12 -!- mycroftiv has joined. 01:19:12 -!- pikhq has joined. 01:19:12 -!- cmeme has joined. 01:19:12 -!- Xiin has joined. 01:19:12 -!- comex has joined. 01:19:12 -!- Ilari has joined. 01:19:12 -!- randomity has joined. 01:19:12 -!- ineiros has joined. 01:19:12 -!- SimonRC has joined. 01:19:12 -!- mtve has joined. 01:19:12 -!- EgoBot has joined. 01:19:12 -!- bsmntbombdood has joined. 01:19:12 -!- GregorR has joined. 01:19:12 -!- fungot has joined. 01:19:12 -!- Deewiant has joined. 01:19:12 -!- Leonidas has joined. 01:19:12 -!- dbc has joined. 01:19:12 -!- sebbu has joined. 01:19:12 -!- lifthrasiir has joined. 01:19:13 slipping away like that 01:19:39 "RELATED: I'VE INVENTED THE WORST MIXED DRINK EVER." >_< 01:21:16 Gracenotes: actually. 01:21:22 I've used metric all my life. 01:21:32 I recently discovered the joys of the inch. (Shut up that is not an innuendo) 01:21:47 NOW it is. 01:23:21 Gracenotes: kph vs m/s? 01:23:26 Methinks Randall made an ERROR! 01:23:38 wait, impossible! 01:23:39 whar!! 01:23:43 :D 01:23:45 SAVE IT NOW 01:23:48 BEFORE HE FIXES IT 01:23:51 HE IS *EVERYWHERE* 01:24:10 `calc 5 km/h in m/s 01:24:11 there are several xkcd sockpuppets in this channel currently 01:24:18 for instance, ehird 01:24:27 who momentarily patched one of the comics 01:24:30 to fuck with everyone 01:24:32 * oerjan swats HackEgo for absence -----### 01:24:42 EXATRY AS PRANNED 01:25:04 5 km/h = 1.38888889 meters / second 01:25:24 a little off 01:25:28 oh 01:25:29 m = meters 01:25:30 not miles :D 01:25:42 wait 01:25:45 7 meters a second? 01:25:56 oerjan: also not km 01:25:57 kph 01:26:02 `calc 25 kph in meters/second 01:26:04 `calc 5 kph in meters/second 01:26:44 !haskell 7 * 3.6 01:26:47 25.2 01:27:13 but 01:27:16 kph = km/hour, colloquially 01:27:17 who can run 7 meters a second? 01:27:18 :P 01:27:24 oerjan: not kilometers? 01:27:25 well 01:27:29 that doesn't make sense as conversion 01:27:29 :P 01:27:36 km = kilometer 01:27:46 are you being dense? 01:28:27 oh 01:28:28 duh 01:28:35 oerjan: also, stfu 01:29:05 See The Fine Understatement 01:30:05 * oerjan learns more about the nasal infix 01:30:20 surprisingly nothing to do with piercing. 01:30:46 meow 01:41:45 -!- oerjan has quit ("Later"). 01:51:01 kilomiles :) 01:51:48 yeah :D 01:53:44 oerjan 01:53:48 who told you about the nasal infix? 01:53:52 someone on isharia linked to that 01:53:54 just today 02:07:17 -!- jix has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 02:19:07 -!- coppro has quit (Remote closed the connection). 02:25:46 -!- Asztal has joined. 02:25:48 -!- coppro has joined. 02:31:27 -!- augur_ has joined. 02:31:27 -!- augur has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 02:36:08 -!- Azstal has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 02:42:21 -!- meanburrito920_ has joined. 02:49:10 -!- ehird has quit. 02:54:53 -!- Asztal has quit (Connection timed out). 02:56:21 -!- Asztal has joined. 03:38:02 -!- pikhq has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 03:38:47 -!- pikhq has joined. 03:53:39 -!- EgoBot has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 03:56:38 -!- pikhq_ has joined. 04:04:29 -!- pikhq__ has joined. 04:04:41 -!- pikhq has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 04:11:03 -!- pikhq__ has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 04:11:44 -!- GregorR-L has quit ("Leaving"). 04:12:03 -!- pikhq has joined. 04:14:05 -!- oerjan has joined. 04:14:38 who told you about the nasal infix? 04:14:50 wikipedia's Did You Know section 04:15:30 augur_: ^ 04:15:53 huh. 04:15:55 that explains it! 04:15:57 -!- augur_ has changed nick to augur. 04:18:34 -!- pikhq_ has quit (Success). 04:20:07 -!- pikhq has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)). 04:20:27 -!- pikhq has joined. 04:31:08 -!- Halph has joined. 04:31:59 -!- coppro has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 04:32:03 -!- Halph has changed nick to coppro. 05:46:54 -!- meanburrito920_ has quit ("Leaving"). 05:53:07 -!- Asztal has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 06:14:38 -!- oerjan has quit ("leaving"). 06:14:54 -!- kar8nga has joined. 06:26:39 -!- quickerfiya has joined. 07:00:01 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 07:00:51 -!- kar8nga has quit (Remote closed the connection). 07:23:33 -!- MigoMipo has quit ("QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server"). 07:24:34 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 07:46:45 -!- coppro has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 07:47:41 -!- coppro has joined. 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:07:58 -!- Gracenotes has quit ("Leaving"). 08:10:46 -!- Gracenotes has joined. 08:12:22 so. I noticed some behavior in ChatZilla I didn't like. I opened the source jar and modified the JS file with the behavior. I restarted. Now I am content. THAT IS THE POWER OF CHATZILLA (behold) 08:12:55 -!- olsner has quit ("Leaving"). 08:13:37 -!- quickerfiya has left (?). 08:20:30 -!- coppro has quit ("The only thing I know is that I know nothing"). 08:26:28 -!- coppro has joined. 08:53:10 -!- Gracenotes has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 09:19:27 -!- Gracenotes has joined. 09:28:37 -!- augur_ has joined. 09:28:37 -!- augur has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 09:43:25 err what is the power of chatzille, that it's open source? 09:46:45 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has joined. 09:47:20 -!- Judofyr has joined. 09:55:16 ehird: who can run 7 meters a second? <<< i can 10:17:52 -!- Pthing has joined. 10:38:46 -!- augur_ has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 10:47:00 -!- Judofyr has quit (Remote closed the connection). 11:08:07 -!- Gracenotes has changed nick to Apoyaturas. 11:24:51 -!- Judofyr has joined. 11:32:28 -!- Apoyaturas has changed nick to Gracenotes. 11:40:04 -!- coppro has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 11:41:34 -!- coppro has joined. 12:35:11 -!- coppro has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 12:39:27 -!- coppro has joined. 12:59:01 -!- Sgeo has joined. 13:16:15 -!- ehird has joined. 13:16:26 Hey 13:16:28 Eso people 13:16:42 Do you know how to make the taskbar reappear on windows 7? 13:16:51 Just relaunching Explorer doesn't seem to work 13:17:02 Restart. 13:17:39 Well, that was my last resort 13:17:43 00:12:22 so. I noticed some behavior in ChatZilla I didn't like. I opened the source jar and modified the JS file with the behavior. I restarted. Now I am content. THAT IS THE POWER OF CHATZILLA (behold) 13:17:44 lisp machine bitch 13:17:46 But I wondered if there was a simpler way 13:22:04 -!- Slereah has quit. 13:22:18 Apparently, I'm only allowed to be on the computer for an hour. My dad said he's going to ask my "grandmother" how long I was on the computer 13:22:19 -!- jix has joined. 13:24:44 -!- Slereah has joined. 13:26:10 "grandmother" 13:32:52 -!- jix has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 13:33:49 "just wondering what else can get in thru code reviews. you guys... ah, better not to 13:33:49 say anything. such a nice application and now this. there should be more buzz about 13:33:49 it to make less people using chromium, such a insecure bullshit, where everybody can 13:33:49 commit whatever. today it's creepy face, tomorrow it will be malicious code, nice work." 13:40:24 -!- coppro has quit (Remote closed the connection). 13:41:18 "Well, the problem is that there are minors playing this game and if that type of chat is allowed, maybe only age 18 and over should be allowed." 13:41:26 http://www.epicmafia.com/forum/thread/1000 13:41:32 (Might need to login to read) 13:50:38 Firstly, who the fuck are these imaginary minors who can't stand "filth"? 13:50:45 Secondly, what has this got to do with #esoteric? 13:51:14 :P 13:52:26 Sgeo: oh boy "How do you do that? Charge $2 a month payable by credit/debit card." 13:52:30 * ehird claps 13:52:36 Lose. 13:52:40 belly bum bottom balls 13:52:46 boobies 13:52:54 are you corrupted yet 13:53:06 Cunting fuckshit! That doesn't actually make any sense but it sounds fun. 13:53:18 (Cunt isn't a verb, and fuck isn't an adjective.) 13:54:04 Pthing: But yes, I'm tragically corrupted due to the evils of the interwebs. 13:54:11 :P 13:57:35 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has quit (Remote closed the connection). 14:01:45 * Sgeo only swore once on EpicMafia, and that was because my scumbuddies gave me a code to use to let them know the role of the person we killed 14:01:55 Good for you. 14:33:18 -!- puzzlet has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 14:33:49 -!- puzzlet has joined. 14:45:13 http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/05/090531-crapgadgets-01.jpg 14:45:24 The ear of a cat usbmomory 15:13:21 "As far as Apple is concerned, the Black Hat 2009 hackers conference didn't end soon enough. Having promptly patched the iPhone vulnerability, Cupertino is facing another security hole, this time in its keyboards. A hacker going by the pseudonym of K. Chen has come up with a way, using HIDFirmwareUpdaterTool, to inject malicious code into the keyboard's firmware." 15:13:27 2009: The age of keyboard viruses. 15:35:58 -!- Hiato has joined. 15:36:33 -!- Hiato has left (?). 15:36:48 -!- oklofok has joined. 15:40:09 -!- Hiato has joined. 15:41:53 hi oklofok 15:43:04 fuckshit doesn't require fuck to be an adjective though 15:44:08 also hi 15:45:30 oklofok: does though! 15:50:20 -!- FireFly has joined. 15:53:51 -!- oklopil has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 15:54:48 in fact it requires it not to be an adjective 15:59:52 oklofok: no 15:59:55 "quickshit" 16:06:30 -!- Hiato has quit ("underflow"). 16:15:59 -!- upyr[emacs] has joined. 16:19:16 hmm indeed. still, a noun is what you'd normally have there, like you know "cockshit". 16:23:26 -!- impomatic has joined. 16:23:29 Hi :-) 16:24:04 ^ul (:^):^ 16:24:05 ...out of time! 16:24:17 oklofok: cockshit doesn't make sense though 16:24:20 unless it's a neologism 16:24:26 * impomatic wonders if that's the smallest infinite loop 16:24:27 hi impomatic, we're talking about the semantics of curses 16:24:31 also, yes. 16:25:24 Hmmm... 16:26:55 impomatic: it's trivial to prove 16:27:12 the only way to branch is via ^ 16:27:20 so we need, at the minimum, ()^ 16:27:27 now, what goes inside? 16:27:29 an infinite loop 16:27:38 which we know needs a ^ 16:27:42 (()^)^ 16:27:45 what goes inside? 16:27:49 and we see that this reduces to, infinitely, 16:27:51 (:^):^ 16:29:06 :-) 16:30:24 :^) 16:34:24 ^ul ((0)(1))(~^:S~:S:*a~:*a*~:^):^ 16:34:25 101100111100001111111100000000111111111111111100000000000000001111111111111111111111111111111100000000000000000000000000000000111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111 ...too much output! 16:35:58 -!- Asztal has joined. 16:36:07 ^ul ((.)(1))(~^:S~:Sa~:*a*~:^):^ 16:36:07 1.11.1111.11111111.1111111111111111.11111111111111111111111111111111.1111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111.11111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111.1111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111 ...too much output! 16:36:28 Having fun with the un-est of Lambdas? 16:39:36 That's Underload, not Unlambda. :P 16:40:41 Hush. 16:43:20 "I've noticed that as I copy data/install programs on my Laptop, the weight of the Laptop increases." 16:43:29 It's all the bits! 16:45:42 [[This is a rare error when the overwriting mechanism of the memory banks lead to an overflow of data because it cannot add on and thus super-stack, increasing the weight significantly. While normal weight/file ratio is approximately 0.02 oz/GB, in rare cases such as these, it can go as high as somewhere around 6 oz/GB. 16:45:43 One solution is going to the system32 folder (C:\WINDOWS\system32) and deleting certain unnecessary files, but too much tampering may cause permanent changes to your computer.]] 16:49:18 XD 16:56:47 -!- Asztal has quit (Connection timed out). 16:58:57 -!- Asztal has joined. 17:06:32 -!- impomatic has left (?). 17:08:18 ^ul (*)(~:S( / )S:*~:^):^ 17:08:19 * / ** / **** / ******** / **************** / ******************************** / **************************************************************** / ******************************************************************************************************************************** / ********************************************* ...too much output! 17:08:28 MizardX: I golf you! 17:10:16 -!- oklofok has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 17:11:00 It doesn't get much shorter than that. 17:11:27 The exception being the whitespace. 17:17:29 MizardX: No whitespace in mine. 17:17:32 That's part of the output. 17:18:02 ^ul (1)(~:S(.)S:*~:^):^ 17:18:03 1.11.1111.11111111.1111111111111111.11111111111111111111111111111111.1111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111.11111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111.1111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111 ...too much output! 17:18:14 Yes, but that's not the same prorgam. 17:22:30 raptorial 17:22:30 adjective 17:22:30 *Like or resembling a raptor. 17:23:20 * Sgeo sees proof that the Python documentation people aren't perfect 17:24:56 [[But Ninjawords for iPhone suffers one humiliating flaw: it omits all the words deemed “objectionable” by Apple’s App Store reviewers, despite the fact that Ninjawords carries a 17+ rating. 17:24:56 Apple censored an English dictionary.]] 17:24:59 Jesus fucking christ. 17:25:05 I want to throw my iPhone out of the window. 17:25:55 "Do not put the baby in the Dinosaur Comics". Opinions? 17:26:50 -!- Asztal has quit (Connection timed out). 17:26:55 pikhq: Needs more funny. 17:27:01 Ah. 17:28:57 -!- Asztal has joined. 17:31:08 -!- Judofyr_ has joined. 17:31:08 -!- Judofyr has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 17:38:58 ^ul (*)(~:S(*)*( / )S~:^):^ 17:38:58 * / ** / *** / **** / ***** / ****** / ******* / ******** / ********* / ********** / *********** / ************ / ************* / ************** / *************** / **************** / ***************** / ****************** / ******************* / ******************** / ********************* / ********************** / ***** ...too much output! 17:39:19 Hmm. 17:39:24 * ehird hacks up a binary counter 17:39:46 -!- Judofyr_ has changed nick to Judofyr. 17:40:00 mrj 17:40:01 meh 17:41:57 -!- augur has joined. 17:46:46 -!- Asztal has quit (Connection timed out). 17:48:57 -!- Asztal has joined. 17:59:39 -!- jix has joined. 18:00:42 -!- BeholdMyGlory has joined. 18:13:30 -!- Azstal has joined. 18:16:51 -!- Asztal has quit (Connection timed out). 18:16:58 -!- Azstal has changed nick to Asztal. 18:21:43 -!- GregorR-L has joined. 18:21:59 ehird: The prgmr system I'm on went kablooie last night and it hasn't been fixed yet. 18:22:02 To this I say WHOOT. 18:22:11 codu.org is being hosted on my home system right now :P 18:22:15 xD 18:22:25 -!- Azstal has joined. 18:22:44 GregorR-L: Well, I guess it's a good thing codu.org is not absurdly popular? ;P 18:22:52 lonelydino.com is gettin' there. 18:23:03 It has 7 comics. 18:23:09 There is no way it can be absurdly popular. 18:23:14 -!- augur has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)). 18:23:16 -!- augur has joined. 18:23:19 Being linked from qwantz.com = instant popular :P 18:23:22 ehird: Compared with codu.org. 18:23:29 And yes, it was linked from Qwantz. 18:23:32 GregorR-L: Like, like, THOUSANDS of hits! 18:23:43 Pfft@ehird 18:23:43 His point. 18:24:04 That's thousands of people who totally don't want to see "Cannot connect to lonelydino.com" 18:24:07 Sorry, I'm just an old fart who TRULY KNOWS WHAT IT IS LIKE TO BE #1 ON DIGG AND HAVE /B/ NOTICE. 18:25:19 Yeah, well I'm wearing a fuchsia shirt with a gold tie. 18:25:21 SO I WIN. 18:25:49 o 18:26:04 I can has in-state tuition now. 18:26:04 T3h w00ts. 18:26:23 Oh shit it has hover-over text 18:26:28 * ehird rereads them all 18:27:22 GregorR-L: All the hover texts suck and you should eliminate them. 18:27:30 :P 18:33:36 -!- Gracenotes has quit (Connection timed out). 18:34:55 -!- Asztal has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 18:46:57 I didn't know about the second hidden text on qwantz.com until recently :( 18:47:35 -!- Azstal has changed nick to Asztal. 18:48:18 Azstal: Which, the RSS title? 18:48:28 Huh... 18:48:39 Fun fact: Windows does not need the .exe extension to execute a file. 18:48:47 O_O 18:48:50 Since when? 18:49:02 It works at least in NT OSes. 18:49:23 Apparently, it just cares if it's a valid PE file. 18:49:51 So, Cygwin could be built without ".exe" files all over the place. 18:50:35 GregorR: not the RSS title :D 18:50:54 although, I've missed those too since I don't use the RSS feed 18:51:03 If it's not the RSS title or the title text, I don't know to what you refer 18:51:33 GregorR-L: Look at the "contact" link in the top row :) 18:51:51 D-8 18:52:43 Hahaha, what's great is that's actually worded as a message to Ryan. 18:54:07 didn't they use to all be in the title 18:54:10 with two lines separating them 18:59:07 -!- augur has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 19:08:06 Well, looks like my backups worked, and Codu2 is totally working, albeit only temporary until prgmr comes back. I'm getting spam again; hooray? 19:09:54 -!- augur has joined. 19:10:42 Ugh, bye all 19:11:37 -!- Sgeo has quit (Remote closed the connection). 19:12:31 -!- kar8nga has joined. 19:20:22 -!- ehird has quit. 19:32:19 -!- ehird has joined. 19:34:24 -!- olsner has joined. 19:34:46 -!- ehird has quit (Client Quit). 19:34:59 -!- ehird has joined. 19:37:46 -!- Xiin has quit ("leaving"). 19:38:35 -!- oklopol has joined. 19:38:39 oklopol: hi :) 19:38:57 kind of a coincidence 19:39:07 "kind of", yeah :P 19:39:17 I'm actually always here whenever I'm online 19:39:18 -!- augur_ has joined. 19:39:23