< 1250208034 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't know, but i think you need a metric space, just a topological space isn't enough < 1250208130 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i need to read about adders now < 1250208166 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: the snakes? < 1250208232 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no about you know mister ripple-carry and mister carry-look-ahead, and then three others i did *not* learn about in preschool < 1250208238 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe highschool < 1250208252 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: XD < 1250208254 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*xD < 1250208286 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YEAH THAT'S WHY EIGHT PLUS B B < 1250208335 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, snakes? < 1250208338 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never heard of them < 1250208356 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they used some other cute thingy < 1250208357 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot what < 1250208371 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh? < 1250208384 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`define adder < 1250208385 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* a person who adds numbers \ * small terrestrial viper common in northern Eurasia \ [22]wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn < 1250208397 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: i think he's asking you what an adder snake is. < 1250208412 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anm_ub: i was talking about these things that take bits in, and sum them. < 1250208417 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no I'm saying they weren't used for teaching math in school < 1250208423 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. < 1250208423 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I misunderstood oklofok < 1250208468 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly about ways to make the carry bottleneck shorter < 1250208480 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :small terrestrial viper which likes to use log tables for sex < 1250208497 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, natural log? < 1250208502 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hawt < 1250208503 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wooden < 1250208513 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, >_< < 1250208525 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1250208527 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anm_ub: Whoooooooosh. < 1250208542 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anm_ub: no this is not about algorithms, this is about wires. < 1250208545 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you know gates < 1250208549 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION assumes anm_ub hasn't heard the original joke. which seems safe since he doesn't know about adders.
< 1250208551 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh darn, I thought I was making the math joke here < 1250208552 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1250208559 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BILL gates?!?!?! < 1250208579 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I haven't heard the original joke no < 1250208592 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, anm_ub has never heard of these weird joke creatures, "vipers" < 1250208595 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1250208596 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"adders" < 1250208598 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not vipers < 1250208610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't believe he doesn't :D < 1250208639 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, vipers I know of. It's the popular name for F-16 Fight Falcon. The pilots often call it the viper. Oh and it's a type of snake too. < 1250208640 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1250208649 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you don't know what an adder is? < 1250208650 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously? < 1250208660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i knew what an adder was when i was 3 ffs < 1250208681 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's a huggorm says wikipedia < 1250208687 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course I know what a huggorm is < 1250208693 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1250208696 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite a different name in Swedish < 1250208704 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, translate for me < 1250208705 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too lazy < 1250208716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hug G ORM → Hug Gangsta Object Relational Mapper < 1250208725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those gangsta object-relational mappers just need some love. < 1250208727 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, more like "bite-snake" < 1250208729 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :biting worm? :D < 1250208730 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1250208736 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, orm is snake < 1250208738 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Swedish < 1250208743 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in Norwegian < 1250208745 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that < 1250208758 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, don't you call them slang or something < 1250208758 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hugg also means "chop" with an axe < 1250208762 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is Swedish for tube < 1250208766 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes it does < 1250208767 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slange yes < 1250208774 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, tube :P < 1250208784 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's still huggorm in norwegian < 1250208788 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1250208801 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1250208802 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :midgardsormen < 1250208822 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hugg == bite (fast, kind of head quickly moving forward and biting) < 1250208835 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the variant "hugg" does imply a certain suddenness < 1250208838 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you see what I mean < 1250208851 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike "bitorm" would < 1250208966 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huggorm is the only poisonous snake in norway < 1250208979 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and only a bit(e) < 1250209056 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same in Sweden < 1250209065 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what an adder is, except that it's some kinda snake. < 1250209079 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i probably don't know what that snake is in finnish either, except that it's some kinda snake < 1250209082 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, adder == huggorm < 1250209083 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah wp says it's the world's most widespread snake species < 1250209087 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(norw. wp) < 1250209091 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anm_ub: i know. < 1250209108 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huggorm, on the other hand, i've never even heard about < 1250209128 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1250209131 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-about < 1250209135 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, well, it is same as adder < 1250209139 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did that help? < 1250209189 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In Finland as "kyykäärme" or simply "kyy."" < 1250209196 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: say "floating floaters that float" in finnish < 1250209287 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right viper was kyy, i actually have slightly more information about that than any other snake in the world < 1250209297 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly that it's the only venomous snake in finland < 1250209318 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: kelluvat kellujat jotka kelluvat < 1250209330 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :viper != adder? < 1250209334 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: :D < 1250209342 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or? < 1250209348 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1250209350 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: does finnish have an analogue of buffalo buffalo etc? < 1250209351 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1250209353 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant adder < 1250209356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if so, can it be made into one word? < 1250209359 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adder is a subspecies of viper < 1250209360 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1250209362 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ^ < 1250209376 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1250209378 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anm_ub: i can't see the difference between those two words, they just mean snake to me < 1250209380 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, I meant < 1250209385 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bøfler bøfler bøfler bøfler bøfler < 1250209390 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, adder is a type of viper < 1250209401 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and viper is a type of snake < 1250209412 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anm_ub: yes, snake is a type snake, which is a type of snake. < 1250209416 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*type of < 1250209455 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm currently so uninterested in biology, that i can't learn that even temporarily. < 1250209465 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(alas bøfle isn't really a verb, but it could have been) < 1250209485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :biology is like YOUR MOM < 1250209593 0 :anm_ub!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"night" < 1250209602 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow! acme can edit infinitely large files < 1250209603 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1250209613 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that would be more interesting with semantics, you know < 1250209626 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean semantics for the part that has it < 1250209654 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :squee i can't wait for my laptoppy. < 1250209665 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did i ever get a desktop. < 1250209775 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you had a desk < 1250209790 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: i still have one! < 1250209806 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: bøfler = buffalos < 1250209812 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plural noun < 1250209832 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it also looks like it could be a verb, present tense < 1250209877 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it had been, it would have worked like in english < 1250210008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh acme is just too damn elegant < 1250210028 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elegant eloquent elephant < 1250210040 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not an elephant! < 1250210043 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird how you'd pluralize it with an s even though you're referencing something that depends on it not pluralizing like that < 1250210087 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that was to point out that the norwegian word is only plural < 1250210219 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH < 1250210256 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAH < 1250210268 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;D < 1250210292 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1250210313 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i knew it! finns are really aliens with multiple eyes on stalks! < 1250210372 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :each with their own tiny blinking brain, synchronizing is a bitch. < 1250210407 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1250210420 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it makes you natural experts on concurrent programming < 1250210420 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't be surprised to discover that oklofok is an AI < 1250210467 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am the revolution < 1250210505 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evilution < 1250210527 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish there was a ranking of universities by how hard the courses are. < 1250210556 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure ivy league + MIT would constitute a good portion of the top < 1250210579 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well + like oxford and cambridge and shit < 1250210642 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm less sure than you < 1250210658 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1250210691 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would they be on top? < 1250210735 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there could be a university where the courses are so hard that no one passes, so the university is still considered shit < 1250210758 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: because the ivy league is the canonical "really good school list" < 1250210764 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhere close to pyongyang, perhaps < 1250210767 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and MIT is fairly unanimously considered uber hard < 1250210781 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oxford and cambridge are also very well renowned /shrug < 1250210810 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i just don't see why really good would imply hard. well, actually i guess i just don't think hard implies good. < 1250210821 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is pretty much what oerjan said, i guess. < 1250210835 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1250210840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't rank it based on how many people pass, obviously < 1250210866 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i say they do < 1250211010 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[00:45] oerjan: there could be a university where the courses are so hard that no one passes, so the university is still considered shit < 1250211012 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you referred to that line < 1250211154 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1250211209 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. such a university would be crappy 2. i'm not saying being hard to pass makes a university bad, i'm just saying i don't see why hard should imply good < 1250211263 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, true < 1250211269 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking you meant "i don't see why good implies hard" < 1250211275 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas I expect there's a pretty good correlation in that direction < 1250211299 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, me too. < 1250211331 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, more like good -> hard enough, which in a university is pretty damn hard in my opinion < 1250211357 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: otoh, I doubt that there are many bad unis with really hard courses < 1250211373 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because when starting a uni with broken thinking, I'd say the tendency is to make it too easy for the students < 1250211394 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there are many if any crazy bastards running around running a terrible university where you have to solve 6 impossible things before breakfast < 1250211468 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone mentioned this math lecturer who gave unsolved problems as homework without a warning < 1250211480 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, among the other exercises < 1250211491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not hard, though < 1250211496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impossible != hard < 1250211507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not expected to complete it < 1250211510 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore it's infinitely easy < 1250211519 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well true, that wasn't a counter-example, just a side-note < 1250211574 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we actually got a few unsolvable problems as homework too, on an analysis course (with a warning), that was kinda annoying, since at that point i couldn't stand not getting all of them done :\ < 1250211606 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i fought the urge to apply my solid inductions on it. < 1250211636 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: but you coulda solved them! < 1250211653 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also unsolvable or just unsolved < 1250211736 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well right unsolved < 1250211738 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :open < 1250211772 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one was just a tiny modification of the exercise before it < 1250211813 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsolvable problems aren't that rare, and usually don't have a warning, by which i mean human errors < 1250211891 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously, homework should have Knuth ratings. < 1250211950 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be nice < 1250211969 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Knuth: 18943758973489583945/3458934759834735782798378589475867325789235 < 1250212109 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one fucked up way to say trivial. < 1250212210 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: how is it trivial < 1250212217 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like 7 out of 2 < 1250212315 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1250212339 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i must be misunderstanding something here < 1250212615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: ? < 1250212733 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is a knuth rating of about 5.48e-24 not trivial < 1250212750 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's rather close to 0, the easiest possible, unless i remember the scale wrong < 1250212821 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even know what knuth ratings are < 1250212834 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en-gb&q=knuth+rating&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 nuttin' < 1250212887 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? then i guess i have no idea what you meant by that rational number < 1250213045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like an n/10 rating < 1250213051 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except knuth is like sooo subtle < 1250213227 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's such a ridiculously small number what scale could it possibly not be trivial on < 1250213353 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: knuth's scale is superexponential. < 1250213370 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argggh what's that term you use for when something is really bad in computer science :P < 1250213375 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure you know what i mean! < 1250213382 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: "really bad" < 1250213386 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nono < 1250213390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(slow) < 1250213395 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooooo < 1250213414 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what then < 1250213452 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard to say, i just know there's like a canonical term for something being really bad. < 1250213463 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :superexponential is pretty close ;D < 1250213466 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :used with "case" < 1250213470 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance < 1250213476 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i think < 1250213478 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worst? < 1250213487 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh no < 1250213505 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :intractable? uncomputable? < 1250213505 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like fatally bad, superbad < 1250213516 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no not like that < 1250213529 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't imply anything computational by itself < 1250213554 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :superamazinglybad < 1250213560 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: NP? :P < 1250213571 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :supercalifragilisticexpialidocious < 1250213617 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah np doesn't imply anything cs-related, it's just a normal english term for bad. < 1250213627 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, it's still not what i'm looking for! < 1250213637 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[01:33] oklofok: yeah np doesn't imply anything cs-related, it's just a normal english term for bad. < 1250213638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1250213714 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it's not just used in cs, maybe more in math, when describing like a very weird subcase < 1250213756 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be much easier if i had any idea what the term was < 1250213766 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...seriously? < 1250213768 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NP is 100% CS < 1250213771 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1250213772 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you meant < 1250213774 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the term < 1250213776 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: almost surely? :P < 1250213799 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost surely? < 1250213808 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes! < 1250214118 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't connect that with "really bad" :/
< 1250214147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1250214160 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: this asteroid will almost surely destroy the earth < 1250214161 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however < 1250214172 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is perfectly shaped to painfully anally rape us for minutes beforehand < 1250214190 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds fractal < 1250214196 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1250214282 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION opens his dictionary on A
< 1250214296 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see you in about 3 months. < 1250214373 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsolvable? < 1250214396 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :undecidable? < 1250214419 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: is it the OED? < 1250214421 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should use the OED < 1250214425 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: also try WP, it probably has an article on it < 1250214433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can filter out everything not in a mathematics or CS category < 1250214448 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no. < 1250214473 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :much less cs or math than those < 1250214650 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok is just making this up to waste our time :P < 1250214677 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm starting to think that myself < 1250214779 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argheargij < 1250214790 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ijh < 1250214792 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that is not a word. < 1250214799 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in english, at any rate. < 1250215059 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only word i can come up with is "paradoxical", not that close in meaning, so may be close in sound. < 1250215072 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard to say, my brain is pretty fucked up :< < 1250215138 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um................ < 1250215158 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pa.... < 1250215200 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not pathetic < 1250215240 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn it's in the back of my head < 1250215275 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: pathological < 1250215281 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was it! < 1250215306 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1250215307 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1250215310 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1250215319 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: some definition of "really bad" < 1250215345 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's used pretty much synonymously, anyway, i did remember it had to do with death < 1250215349 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prolly should've said that < 1250215397 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i kinda assumed it'd be on the page with lethal if it was close enough to be useful < 1250215423 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lethargic lemurs leaping leftwards < 1250215502 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually that's sifakas, except the lethargic part < 1250215528 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: i think i dismissed pathological as not being... mathy enough < 1250215595 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can assure you that "pathological case" is a perfectly cromulent mathematical term ;D < 1250215606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D < 1250215615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i have a question < 1250215617 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you pun as much IRL < 1250215695 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not recently < 1250215703 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :< < 1250215786 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh new topic < 1250215794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i set that < 1250215801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :props to anyone who gets the reference < 1250215821 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's not very math, more of a hacker term, methinks. < 1250215837 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just didn't really know what i was looking for < 1250215915 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not that i've discussed or read that much math in english. < 1250216403 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1250218018 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1250218110 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1250218928 0 :CESSMASTER!n=CESSMAST@unaffiliated/joelywoely JOIN :#esoteric < 1250219397 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1250219871 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1250220232 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@75-106-100-121.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1250222135 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1250222681 0 :Paul1!n=Paul@166.203-246-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1250222699 0 :Paul1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1250222827 0 :CESSMASTER!n=CESSMAST@unaffiliated/joelywoely JOIN :#esoteric < 1250222940 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[about Minimal] jercos> Sgeo: add to the "joke languages list" and observe the hilarity? < 1250224672 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1250224777 0 :Warrigal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`calc 1 quart in pints < 1250224779 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 US quart = 2 US pints < 1250224783 0 :Warrigal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay. < 1250224801 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`calc 1 liter in hogsheads < 1250224803 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 liter = 0.00419320718 hogsheads < 1250224823 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A hogshead is an *oddly* small unit. < 1250224834 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially for a unit that claims to be the size of the head of a hog. < 1250224868 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`calc 30 miles per gallon in rods per hogshead < 1250224870 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :30 miles per gallon = 604 800 rods per hogshead < 1250224887 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`calc 1 hogshead in liters < 1250224889 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 hogshead = 238.480942 liters < 1250224921 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. XD < 1250224928 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oddly large, then. < 1250224964 0 :Warrigal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`calc 1 hogshead in gallons < 1250224965 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 hogshead = 63 US gallons < 1250224975 0 :Warrigal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :63. That number makes sense. < 1250225036 0 :Warrigal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to cook, you see. < 1250225041 0 :Warrigal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And by cook, I mean "cook". < 1250225081 0 :Warrigal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If Hamburger Helper is cooking, this is still only "cooking". < 1250225090 0 :Warrigal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Electric stoves scare me. < 1250225124 0 :Warrigal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have to warm up, and then after that, they have to cool down. < 1250225148 0 :Warrigal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The temperature of this water is rising quadratically. < 1250225228 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cars will surely horrify you < 1250225236 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have to speed up, and then they have to slow down < 1250225247 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :induction stoves are technically electric... or is it magnetic < 1250225376 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal_: ... You are struggling with that> < 1250225381 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1250226181 0 :Warrigal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Preparation requires boiling. Bringing water to a boil is really easy. Boiling something in it is also pretty easy. < 1250226215 0 :Warrigal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just have to make sure it pretty much continues boiling and doesn't boil over or boil too quickly. < 1250226252 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... And you're struggling with that? < 1250226361 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1250227747 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION watches http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVVfs4zKrgk
< 1250228749 0 :Warrigal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't say I was struggling with it. < 1250228763 0 :Warrigal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It went as well as it possibly could have gone. < 1250228879 0 :Warrigal_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just that, seeing that this house has an electric stove and pondering how such a think would work, I decided that gas stoves were better. < 1250230806 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surrender or pie! < 1250231640 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1250231976 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1250232027 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1250233162 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@a-7.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1250235780 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1250236799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1250236800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1250237245 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1250239385 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-4-223.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1250239514 0 :Judofyr_!n=Judofyr@c249DBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1250239747 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server" < 1250240073 0 :Judofyr__!n=Judofyr@c249DBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1250240253 0 :GrayGnome`!n=MuneNoKa@user-11fa52h.dsl.mindspring.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1250240466 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1250241009 0 :Judofyr_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1250241214 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1250241832 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1250242101 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1250242131 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1250242208 0 :Judofyr__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1250242231 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c249DBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1250242378 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1250243500 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-095-208-142-060.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1250243551 0 :Octalnet!n=chatzill@cpe-075-182-022-108.sc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1250243558 0 :Octalnet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi guys. < 1250243581 0 :Octalnet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can anyone point me in the direction of a simplified documentation on Whirl? < 1250243875 0 :Octalnet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one? < 1250243943 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would guess that http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/Whirl and what it links to is all there is. < 1250244014 0 :Octalnet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks. < 1250244334 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1250244554 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1250244612 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. Ubuntu has finally done something that has made me actually want to change distributions, and I will do so if they do not fix this by next version < 1250244706 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, I want to go find whoever is behind this and stab them over and over and over < 1250244747 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So obviously, you want somebody to ask you what it is they've done < 1250244876 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1250244907 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how else can I vent my frustration at the idiot who decided to put the RECOVERY CONSOLE on /USR! < 1250244929 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the recovery console is for when /USR is not working! < 1250244936 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/USR/usr/ < 1250244958 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moreover, it meant I had to run e2fsck on a mounted filesystem, and that made me NOT happy < 1250245058 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coincidentally, I met the recovery console for the first time yesterday, and on the iBook at least it didn't accept any sensible keyboard input; any keys I pressed were just echoed messily on top of the dialog. < 1250245136 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should disclaim that; it's not actually the recovery console proper, it's a special program they have to perform useful repair tasks easily without needing to drop to root. It can be used to launch the recovery console, do package management, fix X, or do a filesystem scan (or continue the bootup on its merry way) < 1250245145 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also :( at the recovery console not working < 1250245384 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's 3 AM and it was raining and I can't sleep when it rains because it drips all night and it's very very loud < 1250245428 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :time for the moment of truth... see whether my decision to run e2fsck on a mounted system fixed the problem (which I suspect was a bad block) < 1250245493 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAY IT FIXED IT < 1250245502 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that sort of option-select-o-tron is what I saw when booting in single-user mode. < 1250245549 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you on Ubuntu? I thought you were referring to the Mac OS SUM, but I guess I was assuping < 1250245552 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*assuming < 1250245675 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have Ubuntu and OS X on the iBook, and that was in Ubuntu. (I had left the laptop do a distribution upgrade to 9.04 overnight, it had competely hung up somewhere during the night, and after a reboot Gnome had brokened itself. Got it fixed with the "dpkg --configure -a", which I guess is what I could have done from the boot-up dialog too, had it worked right.) < 1250245747 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also pretty confident bad blocks were causing my random crashes during my development, so with any luck those should be gone too < 1250247879 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1250248473 0 :louzer!n=edwin@spnp221219.spnp.nus.edu.sg JOIN :#esoteric < 1250248517 0 :louzer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I represent 'nil' in combinatory logic? < 1250248526 0 :louzer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make a list < 1250248544 0 :louzer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the last thing in the last cons cell is nil < 1250248836 0 :louzer!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1250249691 0 :louzer!n=edwin@spnp221219.spnp.nus.edu.sg JOIN :#esoteric < 1250249881 0 :louzer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone? < 1250250235 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quick... I don't feel like thinking... anyone know a terminating binary value that is nonterminating in decimal? < 1250250242 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that not possible? < 1250250508 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of one and I wonder if it's impossible because 2 divides 10 < 1250250572 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least there's a lot of "other than 2 or 5" on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repeating_decimal < 1250250582 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's what I'm thinking of < 1250250760 0 :Octalnet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1250251457 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mathworld.wolfram.com/DecimalExpansion.html and the part immediately after the table. < 1250251530 0 :MigoMipo!i=c1b7fd21@gateway/web/freenode/x-hxoacfhgdolpgwui JOIN :#esoteric < 1250251836 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1250252038 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1250252046 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1250252162 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@75-106-100-121.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1250252678 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1250252691 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2^(-x) = (10/5)^(-x) = 10^(-x)/5^(-x) = 10^(-x)*5^x = terminating < 1250253045 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1250253083 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) < 1250253119 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@75-106-100-121.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1250254623 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1250254875 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1250255484 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1250255518 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c249DBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1250255531 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :louzer: such a list element is essentially _either_ nil or a cons cell, so you need a way to distinguish them < 1250255637 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general you can represent that as nil = \nilcase conscase -> nilcase, cons x y = \nilcase conscase -> conscase x y < 1250255761 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this method extends to general "algebraic" data types < 1250255799 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(haskell lambda notation there) < 1250255897 0 :louzer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read on unlambda page that i can use a union as the last element of a list < 1250255919 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there might be a trick... < 1250255999 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm no i read that as using a union for all conses of a list < 1250256026 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that's essentially what i suggested < 1250256129 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except i rolled the last union case and the pair case together < 1250256148 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the v option doesn't work for pure combinatory logic i think < 1250256255 0 :louzer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1250256367 0 :louzer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1250256377 0 :louzer!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1250256795 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@75-106-100-121.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1250256953 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1250257578 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Reboot" < 1250257618 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1250258826 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1250260454 0 :louzer!n=edwin@as10153.pc.nus.edu.sg JOIN :#esoteric < 1250260855 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1250261364 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1250261669 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: for log reading purposes, I just noticed some new things about wireless. As I said it was even harder to connect after suspend, however for me it seems that unloading the iwlagn module, waiting ~10 seconds then modprobing it brings it back to the less slow "mode" that you get on cold boot < 1250261670 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes < 1250261676 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and < 1250261686 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to use the last backported wlan drivers < 1250261697 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :backported from .30 or later < 1250261705 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise you seem to get kernel OOPS at shutdown < 1250261745 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, the wlan activity led (just below the monitor on R500) is annoying when it blinks all the time < 1250261753 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I can turn it off < 1250261774 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 btw < 1250261818 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1250261873 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you had kernel oops on shutdown too with your intel wireless or? < 1250261877 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no < 1250261885 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty certain they're different bugs, now < 1250261890 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, seems it only affect some models < 1250261906 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 5100 AGN [Shiloh] Network Connection < 1250262405 0 :oklopol!n=oklopol@dsl-tkubrasgw1-feb0df00-6.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1250262432 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION worries about http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/fulldisclosure/2009-08/0174.html
< 1250262505 0 :oklokok!n=oklopol@a91-153-125-186.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1250262576 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you seen that right? I forgot if you were in here yesterday or not < 1250262593 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so have I < 1250263338 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1250263344 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :oklopol < 1250263501 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1250264327 0 :GregorR-L!n=gregor@pal-179-243.itap.purdue.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1250264367 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bahahaha, I got invited to a group "I bet I can find 1000000 people who use binary" on Facebook, and what's really sad is that it's nowhere near the claimed b1000000 (64) people. < 1250264386 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1250264425 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never heard of anyone who uses binary < 1250264436 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a living, so to speak < 1250265281 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@77-100-194-169.cable.ubr04.pres.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1250265763 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1250265771 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1250265773 0 :louzer_!n=edwin@nusnet-184-61.dynip.nus.edu.sg JOIN :#esoteric < 1250266020 0 :louzer!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1250267355 0 :louzer_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1250267874 0 :louzer!n=edwin@nusnet-184-61.dynip.nus.edu.sg JOIN :#esoteric < 1250267956 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-162-150-131.range86-162.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1250268393 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal" < 1250268460 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c8F99BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1250268478 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl, kernel upgrade < 1250268494 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net" < 1250268793 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1250269040 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) < 1250269721 0 :CESSMASTER!n=CESSMAST@unaffiliated/joelywoely JOIN :#esoteric < 1250270134 0 :GregorR-L_!n=gregor@pal-179-243.itap.purdue.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1250270172 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1250270270 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@75-106-100-121.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1250270275 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1250270384 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :patched kernel against the issue. < 1250270435 0 :louzer!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1250270576 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@75-106-100-121.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1250271176 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.86.99 JOIN :#esoteric < 1250271247 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1250271275 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1250271293 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.86.99 JOIN :#esoteric < 1250271909 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:10:12 So. Ubuntu has finally done something that has made me actually want to change distributions, and I will do so if they do not fix this by next version < 1250271913 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : OH GOD! < 1250271922 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Quick, developers! Here's a million bux! < 1250271922 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was coppro's complaint, btw? < 1250271927 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : GET THIS FIXED BY TOMORROW < 1250271933 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they moved the recovery console to /usr < 1250271943 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is apparently an issue because he breaks /usr aaaaaaaaall the time or something < 1250271954 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: use /usr/local instead, that's what it's for < 1250271957 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1250271963 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just put your own copy in /bin, it's not as if Ubuntu will care < 1250271964 0 :GregorR-L_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :GregorR-L < 1250271968 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically impossible to boot into a livecd if /usr dies, right? < 1250271971 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to like < 1250271973 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :physically pick it up < 1250271976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::OOO < 1250271996 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm -rf /usr < 1250271998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:18:56 I should disclaim that; it's not actually the recovery console proper, it's a special program they have to perform useful repair tasks easily without needing to drop to root. It can be used to launch the recovery console, do package management, fix X, or do a filesystem scan (or continue the bootup on its merry way) < 1250272004 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVEN WORSE < 1250272005 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops, meant to do that in my console! < 1250272138 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:54:29 ehird: for log reading purposes, I just noticed some new things about wireless. As I said it was even harder to connect after suspend, however for me it seems that unloading the iwlagn module, waiting ~10 seconds then modprobing it brings it back to the less slow "mode" that you get on cold boot < 1250272139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds such fun. < 1250272146 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:55:45 and, the wlan activity led (just below the monitor on R500) is annoying when it blinks all the time < 1250272147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:55:53 I wonder if I can turn it off < 1250272147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost certainly. < 1250272150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HD activity too < 1250272169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:07:12 * AnMaster worries about http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/fulldisclosure/2009-08/0174.html < 1250272169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody cares about your machine < 1250272244 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is not vulnerable
< 1250272276 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For today's computer science students, learning C is like taking an elective class in Latin." < 1250272278 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O < 1250272306 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed < 1250272356 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay i'm not sure even i can agree with "elective" < 1250272368 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Agreed, but only because Latin is still very useful. < 1250272386 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, 'snot :P < 1250272439 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A computer scientist NOT taking a class in C is like a linguistics student not taking a class in Latin. < 1250272483 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: yes, except C is not only something any self-respecting cs dude knows, it's also actually used a lot; latin is only the first one < 1250272491 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1250272509 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well C isn't actually very related to theoretical CS < 1250272536 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a CS course could be perfectly good without C, it'd just be real-world useless < 1250272538 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true... i guess that's simply a completely irrelevant comparison :P < 1250272575 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but so's your face. < 1250272576 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :latin being theoretically useful, but not practically, C being the other way around < 1250272600 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: mine and irrelevant or ehird's and real-world useless? < 1250272610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: the implication was "the kidzzz today, they use rUbY oN rAiLzzzz" < 1250272618 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Both! 8-D < 1250272626 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1250272650 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well right, ehird would be real-world useless if he was blind < 1250272661 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure i haven't used the see-joke enough yet < 1250272663 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my only use is seeing things? < 1250272696 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but going blind, you would be rendered completely useless < 1250272699 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can get at least the Bachelor's degree thing for CS at our university without any C, since the two basic-imperative-programming courses are Java nowadays. < 1250272700 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only for a finite amount of time < 1250272725 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it's not all lost: you won't get the degree without learning about finite state machines and Turing machines. < 1250272726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finnish universities sound boring < 1250272731 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like they sound very much like every other uni < 1250272732 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My university starts you on C++. < 1250272741 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: make that sentence false < 1250272744 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And assumes you're learning other languages. < 1250272748 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :best way to do that is to make it not your university < 1250272793 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We used to have a set of three "basic programming" courses (T1, T2, T3) that had the languages Scheme, C, C++/Java in that order. < 1250272813 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PSU starts you with C++. < 1250272815 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: great to okay to bad! < 1250272817 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still feel that's wise. < 1250272821 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's BACK IN TIME < 1250272827 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: The US has 3 choices: C++, Java, and a few schools doing Python. < 1250272829 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: ...to make you hate programming? < 1250272851 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: To make you reaaaaally understand what the f*** is going on. < 1250272851 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Indeed. Scheme was a choice until, iirc last year; MIT switched to Python. < 1250272852 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of the choices, Python is the sanest. However, it is harder to get to the schools that do Python. < 1250272853 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's trial-by-fire. < 1250272859 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually the best C course here (or so I hear) is the "automation and systems technology" department one. You know, those guys who are building our future robotic overlords. < 1250272859 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: C++... doesn't do that. < 1250272866 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus, C++. < 1250272867 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we had java first, then someone got python on the introductory course, then someone got java back < 1250272882 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sad that they killed 6.001 < 1250272887 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a few dudes who want eiffel, although minority < 1250272892 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sussman shoulda done it till he kicked the bucket < 1250272895 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: eiffel is fun and obscure < 1250272900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rally with them < 1250272912 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our university does Python for the introductory programming course for non-CS students. < 1250272923 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from what i hear, it's much cooler than java or c++, but i've only heard features, not so much seen what it's actually like < 1250272937 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But only since last year < 1250272972 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's a type-safe OO language with things basically like closures, a wacky inheritance mechanism to make it safer, and machine-enforced contracts on the input/outputs of functions < 1250272985 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the automation people have this awesome ball-shaped robot; actually it looks a bit like the xkcd thing, except it's not based on an Eee PC: http://automation.tkk.fi/Rollo < 1250273013 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: sweet; I want to make the xkcd robot sometime < 1250273014 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D's contracts are basically ripped from Eiffel < 1250273038 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how does rollo handle the whole "camera is all blurry 'cuz it be done spinnin' bout" thing < 1250273056 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, I'm not a robot-builder. < 1250273062 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1250273066 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the xkcd one it stays on the top < 1250273070 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :outside of the ball < 1250273071 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow < 1250273072 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see it's been patented, heh. < 1250273080 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1250273085 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuuck patents < 1250273284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Hoist by eir own petard | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1250273894 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : HD activity too <-- pattern less annoying for that < 1250273913 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll disable it anyway since I hate blinking things that I didn't cause < 1250274084 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a fiery passion. < 1250274162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION finds the exact date where tuomov changed ion3's license
< 1250274165 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :april 27 2007 < 1250274170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to find the closest version before that < 1250274170 0 :Octalnet!n=chatzill@cpe-075-182-022-108.sc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1250274173 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : oklopol: the implication was "the kidzzz today, they use rUbY oN rAiLzzzz" <-- tell me, what language is the ruby implementation coded in? < 1250274176 0 :Octalnet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, guys. < 1250274183 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: English is implemented in Latin! < 1250274185 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Octalnet: Hi. < 1250274208 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, snap: < 1250274209 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[As a further note, I consider the restrictions on the name use < 1250274210 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :retroactive: this is also an issue of trademark law, and as the < 1250274210 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :author, I am the (unregistered) trademark holder for Ion, Ion3, < 1250274210 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. The new license and copyright law merely act as additional < 1250274210 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :enforcement devices.]] < 1250274213 0 :Octalnet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh. I know this isn't the place to ask this, but the good channels are dead. < 1250274224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good thing I'm not going to call it ion-anything. < 1250274227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, hi, Octalnet < 1250274230 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're being offtopic. < 1250274235 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glad you could join us. < 1250274238 0 :Octalnet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, thanks. < 1250274240 0 :Octalnet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1250274243 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well. there are some differences, but I assume you are aware of them and just try to be funny < 1250274244 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbiab < 1250274245 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Octalnet: Verily, I inquire. < 1250274270 0 :Octalnet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way to go about custom syntax highlighting in SciTE? < 1250274279 0 :Octalnet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For BF, specifically. < 1250274291 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolangs.el highlights bf. < 1250274293 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather pointless. < 1250274299 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no, not for anything that isn't emacs. < 1250274312 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't be hard to add it to anything else < 1250274317 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solution: use an OS, not a text editor. < 1250274317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but really, pointless. < 1250274327 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yeah; UNIX. :P < 1250274344 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: why'd it pointless? < 1250274346 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Emacs is also an OS. < 1250274351 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*why's < 1250274352 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: cuz it'd just be technicolour? < 1250274360 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, there's no real syntax elements to speak of < 1250274375 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Unix is better :P. Incidentally, the basic vi model could handle syntax changes very elegantly if you separated the buffer from the file. < 1250274399 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specifically, have a program (text → text with control codes), and another program to handle moving/editing in it. < 1250274406 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Latter could be a bit of a pain, but eh. < 1250274419 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, even better < 1250274428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(text → separate control codes referencing positions of text) < 1250274430 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, you know, it isn't a funny joke any more the 100th time you hear it < 1250274437 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's the Word-killing patent, heh) < 1250274442 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Dude, emacs IS an OS. < 1250274444 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Objectively. < 1250274458 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, would you compare it to a lisp machine's OS= < 1250274462 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It lacks a kernel, and a decent scheduler, and any interface other than stupid text buffers, and... < 1250274462 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/=/?/ < 1250274466 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, it's a really _bad_ OS < 1250274490 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well, it is as much of an OS as squeak is I guess... < 1250274496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, completely. < 1250274525 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: It's a very domain-specific OS, yes. < 1250274531 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so, it is a kernel less OS. Thus you should clearly like it! ;P < 1250274537 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DSO! :D < 1250274542 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1250274545 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DSOS even < 1250274559 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does Emacs do scheduling? < 1250274591 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :single threaded OS? < 1250274602 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh, I'm fairly sure Emacs can update two buffers at once. < 1250274611 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm yes < 1250274614 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue < 1250274621 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't; the whole thing's pretty event driven, IIRC. < 1250274631 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :figures < 1250274656 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not very clean, but quite portable. < 1250274658 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why there aren't many WMs that can act as a window without xnest < 1250274672 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could make a nice unix IDE with a tiling wm, a bunch of xterms and vi < 1250274678 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in one window < 1250274688 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would actually be a nice IDE. < 1250274696 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I say "not many"; I mean I don't know of even one < 1250274750 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is xnest any good? < 1250274756 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno its performance characteristics < 1250274810 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, xnest seems to fail here < 1250274863 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also the more modern Xephyr thing, which should be faster. < 1250274884 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't really need speed for vi and xterm :P < 1250274887 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not xterm < 1250274888 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :urxvt < 1250274889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc < 1250274921 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what about using a virtual desktop? < 1250274940 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you want to look at your irc client too < 1250274980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you mean something that can be installed and ready to use as one of those virtual appliances? < 1250274987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that makes sense < 1250275006 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, not running in a VM, but similar ready to use X setup < 1250275022 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :preconfigured Xnest thingy could work well for that I suspect < 1250275027 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of < 1250275039 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I just mean a tiling wm running a bunch of urxvts. < 1250275044 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a window. < 1250275052 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a four-liner. < 1250275069 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, can't think of any sane way to do it without Xnest. This proves the X protocol sucks < 1250275080 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but err < 1250275084 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's exactly what xnest does. < 1250275095 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :creates an x display as a window < 1250275100 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well yes, but why would you want it without Xnest?? < 1250275107 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did I misunderstood it < 1250275112 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stand* < 1250275117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't < 1250275123 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just didn't know if xnest was slow or sth < 1250275134 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I wonder why there aren't many WMs that can act as a window without xnest < 1250275139 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1250275155 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like you wanted a tiling vm not using xnet? < 1250275158 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xnest* < 1250275163 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just didn't know if xnest was slow or sth < 1250275163 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just didn't know if xnest was slow or sth < 1250275164 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just didn't know if xnest was slow or sth < 1250275164 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just didn't know if xnest was slow or sth < 1250275166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1250275170 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1250275170 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Tiling WM in a window. < 1250275175 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ehird:~] % xinit twm -display :3 -- xnest :3 < 1250275176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xterm Xt error: Can't open display: :3 < 1250275176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :waiting for X server to shut down < 1250275176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ehird:~] % < 1250275176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr < 1250275215 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yep, but issue is you need a whole X server in a window (like xnest), since otherwise the X server would tell the main window manager about the new apps/windows < 1250275217 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1250275247 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, on mac? < 1250275258 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1250275275 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just hacked up Xorg < 1250275275 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so whatever i'm doing is my stupidity < 1250275287 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that might *possibly* create issues. What with X on mac being kind of nested + seemless mode under the real GUI system < 1250275294 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's just the qwartz-wm < 1250275302 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1250275305 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can run twm < 1250275309 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just < 1250275312 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it runs rootless < 1250275313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1250275314 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a window or? < 1250275318 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no root window < 1250275318 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no < 1250275320 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok < 1250275320 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :each window is a twm window < 1250275322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :floating on the os x desktop < 1250275333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quartz-wm doesn't even draw aqua < 1250275335 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it won't affect non-X windows then? < 1250275336 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like Tiger still < 1250275346 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no; Aqua isn't X11 < 1250275352 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1250275363 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quartz-wm integrated sort of okay in Tiger but alongside leopard windows it's kinda silly < 1250275365 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even the shadow is wrong < 1250275370 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, can you run anything with a root window with the X on there < 1250275377 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is full x11 and you can run it fullscreen < 1250275382 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, what would the window of Xnest contain? < 1250275390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the root window = twm < 1250275391 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1250275404 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, it can do root windows. < 1250275406 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := fullscreen mode. < 1250275413 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1250275417 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made it so that it booted directly into X11/twm recently < 1250275417 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was fun < 1250275418 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to debug the issue < 1250275426 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :used quartz < 1250275428 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that is why I asked about root window sans xnest < 1250275431 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a lot smoother and nicer than other x backgrounds < 1250275432 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1250275433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :backends < 1250275462 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus I bet someone would claim it looked nicer too ;P < 1250275473 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. The pixels have more energy. < 1250275489 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I hate twm though < 1250275493 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a nostalgic way < 1250275504 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's usable < 1250275511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not usable < 1250275551 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember back on 2.4 kernels, slackware iirc, first time I got KDE working in it I did it from inside twm < 1250275572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :march 6 2007 is when tuomov posted his bitch about debian wrt license < 1250275575 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, while in there, kill twm, start kwin, start kdesktop, start kicker < 1250275576 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1250275579 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess the last sane release is before that < 1250275582 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from an xterm < 1250275587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll call it fytv < 1250275595 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendlytowards You Tuomo Valkonen < 1250275611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pronounced like "fith" but with a v instead of an h. :P < 1250275703 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :call what? < 1250275724 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my fork of the last ion3 before he changed the license to the laughable abomination < 1250275727 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even use ion3 < 1250275730 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just want to piss him off < 1250275736 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because he's a dick, you see. < 1250275771 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know about ion. < 1250275780 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not to mention a retard. < 1250275784 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, well, it used to be just a GPL-variant < 1250275792 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm finding the last one licensed like that I can < 1250275800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm going to try and update it based on changelogs to be bug-free < 1250275802 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I can revoke the GPL!" "... No." < 1250275808 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you didn't want to touch the GPL...? < 1250275810 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ^ < 1250275822 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least you claimed that about my GPL code before :P < 1250275824 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: actually, his argument is that since he owns the Ion name he can change the rights to it how he likes < 1250275825 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird dislikes GPL3, although IIRC not to the extent of refusing to use anything based on it < 1250275835 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: he doesn't claim the license itself is retroactive < 1250275836 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he isn't so upset at GPL2, although it still isn't his ideal license < 1250275839 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on that point he is probably right < 1250275844 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's LGPL, iirc < 1250275850 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isf in < 1250275850 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine < 1250275887 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: He also claimed to revoke the GPL proper, IIRC. < 1250275889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION installs darcs to try and find the relevant change
< 1250275892 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: nah < 1250275903 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it was people thinking his trademark terms were part of the LGPL license < 1250275910 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is understandable, since the file they're in is called LICENSE < 1250275978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: anyway, tuomov is totally irrelevant now as ion3 is waning in popularity and he uses Windows XP/cygwin now < 1250276007 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ < 1250276011 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoo. < 1250276016 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is ion3? < 1250276030 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: once very popular tiling window manager < 1250276035 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the guy who invented tabbing window managers < 1250276041 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: he changed the license to, well < 1250276045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to see this to believe it < 1250276047 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sec < 1250276048 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it < 1250276053 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the anti-Debian clause < 1250276056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no < 1250276057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no no no no < 1250276058 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :way more than that < 1250276066 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that means they have to keep it up to date, or not use it < 1250276070 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sec < 1250276093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : - A version that does not significantly differ from one of the < 1250276093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : copyright holder's releases, must be provided by default. < 1250276094 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : - Versions not based on the copyright holder's latest release (on < 1250276094 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : the corresponding "branch", such as Ion3(tm)), must within 28 days < 1250276094 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : of this release, be prominently marked as (potentially) obsolete < 1250276094 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : and unsupported. < 1250276096 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : - Significantly altered versions may be provided only if the user < 1250276098 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : explicitly requests for those modifications to be applied, and < 1250276100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : is prominently notified that the software is no longer considered < 1250276102 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : the standard version, and is not supported by the copyright holder. < 1250276104 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : The version string displayed by the program must describe these < 1250276106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : modifications and the "support void" status. < 1250276108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Versions for which the above conditions are not satisfied, must be < 1250276110 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : renamed so that they can not be associated with the Ion project, their < 1250276112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : executables must be given names that do not conflict with the copyright < 1250276114 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : holder's version, and neither the copyright holder nor the Ion project < 1250276116 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : may be referred to for support. < 1250276119 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one suggestion he made to debian was "do like you do with the kernel and name packages ion-version" < 1250276123 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the response being "haha no fuck off") < 1250276187 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, all the ion3 docs are in tex < 1250276197 0 :Octalnet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1250276250 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway, he now uses Windows XP and cygwin, and occasionally posts retarded but hilarious anti-FOSS spasms on his "not a" blog < 1250276321 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why does debian do that for the kernel btw < 1250276329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: multiple kernels at once < 1250276351 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right apt/dpkg can't handle multiple versions of a package installed side by side otherwise < 1250276369 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hint: portage can, called slotted packages) < 1250276388 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(same result though) < 1250276401 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :80/10 < 1250276407 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but treated as the same package, different version for most purposes) < 1250276408 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, 80/20 < 1250276417 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ? < 1250276670 0 :M0ny!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-73-12.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1250276744 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi guys :) < 1250276802 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1250276809 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plop. < 1250276831 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wassup ? < 1250276996 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the skyyyyyyyyyyy < 1250277218 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, the suckless guys made a terminal. < 1250277222 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://st.suckless.org/ < 1250277268 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1097 lines, nice. < 1250277380 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that page has a recursive see also link < 1250277388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's the manpage < 1250277401 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1250277415 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, they're also making a web browser. < 1250277447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :— said webkit/gtk browser is 557 lines long < 1250277448 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impresive < 1250277455 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to even do downloads < 1250277482 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are they doing, trying to make non-sucky UNIX? < 1250277492 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: the suckless guys are all plan 9 weenies < 1250277496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, yes < 1250277525 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A commendable, though not-very-revolutionary goal. < 1250277541 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their stuff is nice, though < 1250277544 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heard of wmii? < 1250277545 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or dwm? < 1250277548 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they made those < 1250277571 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also a filesystem-based irc client < 1250277578 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and dmenu < 1250277645 0 :kokkafasas!n=myself@host219-29-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1250277673 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi kokkafasas < 1250277736 0 :kokkafasas!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hjii < 1250277763 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : — said webkit/gtk browser is 557 lines long <-- excluding webkit itself I assume < 1250277774 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also excluding the linux kernel, glibc,.... < 1250277775 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much do webkit do of the job? < 1250277779 0 :kokkafasas!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1250277785 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it renders the actual pages and keeps the cookies < 1250277792 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so about as much as gecko. < 1250277793 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe less. < 1250277796 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not cache? < 1250277796 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :webkit is very embeddable. < 1250277797 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1250277799 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: maybe. < 1250277803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prolly, even < 1250277808 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know the details of gecko either < 1250277830 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what I'm wondering is "is it just providing buttons, just rendering, or something in between" < 1250277837 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the latter alternative < 1250277888 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gecko is horrifying. < 1250278116 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. All the programs I use are suggested by them as "cool programs". < 1250278130 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, including xulrunner? < 1250278153 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conkeror, specifically. < 1250278157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1250278169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :their web servers list is a bit bare; I should write that webserver sometime < 1250278252 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, xmms2 is still going < 1250278390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: the suckless guys really like the plan 9 shell rc, btw; it's worth checking out for fun unixy scripting: < 1250278408 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/rc.html < 1250278408 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://plan9.bell-labs.com/magic/man2html/1/rc < 1250278431 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it actually unifies all the shell concepts < 1250278434 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a nice syntax < 1250278569 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. a proper string concatenation operator < 1250278705 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://suckless.org/common/broken_programs <-- point two is a pain in VMs btw < 1250278717 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and on my laptop when DPI size is set correctly < 1250278730 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plenty of programs try to render taller than the screen < 1250278731 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: on windows, basically no program works with correct dpi < 1250278735 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they all use pixels < 1250278744 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well, on linux I meant < 1250278747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1250278751 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just saying you should be glad < 1250278776 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, couldn't use a nice looking QT frontend for qemu. because it rendered taller than my screen < 1250278780 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot the name of it < 1250278801 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I think I love Plan 9 shell. < 1250278807 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: = rc < 1250278811 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is great < 1250278812 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1250278816 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and plan9port has it for modern unices < 1250278821 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no line editing, though; use rlwrap or sth < 1250278834 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In any case, the ICCCM requests that clients accept any size the window manager proposes to them." <-- there are issues with that, what if you can't fit in? Scrollbars? < 1250278836 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's, like, Bourne minus the suck. < 1250278846 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's the WM's problem < 1250278864 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: in fact, the website generator (static files + some dynamic bits) powering suckless.org is written in rc < 1250278869 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and doesn't look awkward at all < 1250278879 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before that they had a server-side wiki written in rc and it was like 100 lines < 1250278889 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RC = <3. < 1250278906 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I think I'm gonna s/zsh/rc/ on my system now < 1250278917 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i suppose officially makes me a plan 9 weenie < 1250278923 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The program is based on strange non-standard window manager hints that only work properly with a window manager supporting these extensions – this simply breaks the ICCCM as well. E.g. trash icon programs." <-- so they wish to forbid all apps meant to work in taskbars and such < 1250278930 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no < 1250278938 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what then < 1250278947 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: There's a standardised way of doing that, FWIW. < 1250278951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trash icons require hints from the wm that icccm doesn't require < 1250278995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, trash icon, do you mean like the one found in the lower panel on default gnome desktop? < 1250278998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1250279030 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how is it different from, say, the gnome mixer thingy, or the kde mixer thingy, or any other app? < 1250279037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can drag things on to it < 1250279038 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that puts it's icon in the taskbar < 1250279043 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for vaguely specified values of thing < 1250279051 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm. maybe you can't for normal such < 1250279053 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never tried < 1250279053 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it uses non-ICCM magick < 1250279076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, rlwrap appears to have some rendering problems with the tab char < 1250279083 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it is meant for gnome I guess, could be considered part of gnome, rather than freestanding app only working with gnome < 1250279092 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no < 1250279100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's specifically saying that gnome's trash icon breaks the icccm < 1250279101 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simple < 1250279101 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds a bit like "the setting apps for window maker only works with window maker" < 1250279109 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: They made the conditionals sane! ZOMG! < 1250279111 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it breaks the iccm < 1250279113 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :full stop < 1250279118 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :icccccccccccm < 1250279119 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yep < 1250279122 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: and the loops < 1250279134 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what is the ICCM way of doing that then I wonder < 1250279137 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be interesting to know < 1250279138 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: btw, 'rlwrap -c rc' almost works; the automatic tabbing it does messes up after an enter < 1250279154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it completes filenames perfectly < 1250279163 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and logs to .rc_history < 1250279207 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1250279217 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why wouldn't xchat work in a tiling vm < 1250279221 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wm* < 1250279227 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it lists no reason < 1250279242 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : -l If -l is given or the first character of argument zero is -, < 1250279242 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : rc reads commands from $home/lib/profile, if it exists, < 1250279242 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : before reading its normal input. < 1250279242 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑ heh, a vestige of plan 9 < 1250279273 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prolly worth writing a shell script that lets your normal .profile run, then "exec rlwrap -c rc" < 1250279277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and using that as your shell < 1250279334 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, "as your shell" == "login shell"? < 1250279338 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1250279352 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if using a shebang script as the shell works < 1250279355 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way you can keep a single profile, and avoid the $HOME/lib/profile stuff < 1250279362 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: we're about to find out < 1250279387 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, make sure you aren't using ubuntu OR have an extra account able to sudo :P < 1250279394 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just keep a shell open. < 1250279397 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and don't forget to update the list of valid shells < 1250279404 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% echo $PATH < 1250279408 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/Users/ehird/bin:/usr/local/bin:/opt/local/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.6/bin:/opt/local/bin:/opt/local/sbin:/Users/ehird/.cabal/bin:/Applications/J/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/usr/local/plan9/bin < 1250279409 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :success < 1250279431 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, updated /etc/shells? otherwise it will probably work until you try a clean login < 1250279441 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chsh doesn't let you use a non /etc/shells shells. < 1250279442 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, yes. < 1250279480 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, 'rlwrap ' has some side-effects < 1250279486 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like messing up if a child program uses readline < 1250279491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will have to fix. sometime. < 1250279587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, i have an rc shell with completion and line editing basically working when i opwn a new terminal < 1250279590 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy. < 1250279646 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :acme works surprisingly well on os x < 1250279651 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even has a proper dock icon < 1250279658 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :albeit all graphical plan 9 apps just have the bunny :) < 1250279675 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder about XChat on that list too; I'm using awesome (which is not just tiling but also non-re-parenting) and haven't seen any problems re xchat. < 1250279706 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1250279706 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The program assumes a specific window management model" < 1250279707 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1250279711 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The application uses a fixed size – this limitation does not fit into the world of tiling window managers very well" < 1250279712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1250279717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The program is based on strange non-standard window manager hints" < 1250279718 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not < 1250279721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The program does not conform to ICCCM due to some missing or improperly set hints." < 1250279722 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite likely < 1250279740 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I guess that last one is the likeliest. < 1250279769 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: if you want to go down the rabbit hole a bit more, make sure you have plan9port and try sam(1) < 1250279775 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's graphical ed and it's actually nice. < 1250279903 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, xchat won't let me resize the window (running under KDE 3.5) to less than menu bar + topic bar + one line of the text window + the input field < 1250279913 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: and hey, ken thompson, brian kernighan and bjarne stroustrup can't be wrong, right? < 1250279923 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :limit for width seems to be when entries in menu bar would go outside the window < 1250279955 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for the last one, yes quite likely < 1250280025 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it seems to have some sort of minimum size, doesn't go any smaller. < 1250280079 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I don't think GTK would gracefully handle "less width than the menus take up" in a sane way < 1250280106 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I'm not sure it is sensible to try to handle it < 1250280139 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be best to error out or something with a dialog saying that the user should use xchat mini for phones (or something like that ;) < 1250280140 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sanely, no, but at least the Iceweasel window doesn't seem to have any minimum size. < 1250280235 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite a lot of GTK programs seem to have size restrictions. And if I try to make gconf-editor go smaller than what it wants, it prints (gconf-editor:6735): Gtk-WARNING **: gtk_widget_size_allocate(): attempt to allocate widget with width -5 and height 13 < 1250280377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1250280379 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :width -5 < 1250280399 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can understand it's (its?) distress < 1250280442 0 :ehird_!n=ehird@91.105.76.79 JOIN :#esoteric < 1250280497 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1250280499 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of messages dropped < 1250280515 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[19:58] ehird: well, okay, the latter can be. < 1250280515 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[19:58] ehird: dennis ritchie used to use it but now uses acme < 1250280515 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[19:58] ehird: AnMaster: probably not that. < 1250280515 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:02] ehird: pikhq: oh, something that might turn you away from rc: it has & but no ^Z job control; you're meant to use a windowing system instead < 1250280516 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:03] ehird: (in fact, they were making that case in 1994 :P) < 1250280516 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:04] ehird: oh, and you have to use $home, not ~ < 1250280533 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1250280551 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: awesome rc thing - < 1250280575 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% echo 'Hello, '^(world chicken pikhq)^'!' < 1250280575 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world! Hello, chicken! Hello, pikhq! < 1250280581 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like an array language! < 1250280646 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1250280654 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, a problem with rlwrapping rc < 1250280661 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's dumb and doesn't understand the changed directory < 1250280664 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about % echo ('Hello, ' 'Good bye, ')^(world chicken pikhq) ? < 1250280666 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should just hack rc to add readline < 1250280678 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: rc: mismatched list lengths in concatenation < 1250280688 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1250280700 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be cool if that worked, though :P < 1250280728 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^x and x^ on both of those parts respectively is, < 1250280735 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :('Hello, x' 'Good bye, x') < 1250280735 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1250280744 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(xworld xchicken xpikhq) < 1250280749 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it probably should be < 1250280765 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :('Hello, world' 'Good bye, world' 'Hello, chicken' 'Good bye, chicken' 'Hello, pikhq' 'Good bye, pikhq') < 1250280770 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :giving precedent to the first list < 1250280947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1250280991 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION opens rc source in acme, types grep -r 'main(' ., then drags the middle mouse button over it and gets the results in a separate pane
< 1250280998 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone used those mice that have a scroll wheel, but a separate middle button? < 1250281002 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the scroll wheel is on the middle button < 1250281037 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, and I hate it < 1250281049 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be a godsend for plan 9 < 1250281195 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, ICANN has finally cracked down on domain squatters who don't buy the domain they're squatting < 1250281206 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about cracking down on all of them < 1250281227 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if more than 10% of a registrar's domains are cancelled, they're charged $6.75 per domain cancelled < 1250281249 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the internet is an interesting dictatorship < 1250281268 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: URL? < 1250281291 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, double clicking was invented as a hack because the Apple Lisa's mouse only had one button < 1250281295 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://arstechnica.com/web/news/2009/08/escalating-penalties-bring-domain-tasting-to-a-crashing-halt.ars < 1250281339 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : [19:58] ehird: AnMaster: probably not that.<-- that == ? < 1250281346 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: resizing < 1250281356 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, read the log then < 1250281361 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :....................................... < 1250281365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we found out it was that < 1250281369 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's not < 1250281371 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You guessed it was that < 1250281373 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never heard the expression "domain tasters" before. < 1250281381 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, it has a minimum size < 1250281385 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARGH < 1250281385 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :READ IT < 1250281387 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which it refuses to resize below < 1250281389 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The suckless people aren't saying "let us open windows that are smaller than a menu" < 1250281391 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are saying < 1250281393 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"DON'T USE A FIXED SIZE" < 1250281395 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FIXED siz < 1250281395 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1250281399 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in IGNORES the WM, always < 1250281399 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok < 1250281409 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :→→→→→→ not a minimum < 1250281410 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1250281539 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pointer_trails ;; who the hell thinks these are a good idea < 1250281647 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahaha < 1250281650 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I hate that one < 1250281655 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, accessibility? < 1250281657 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1250281663 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: uhhh huh < 1250281669 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, maybe not < 1250281669 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially the Windows implementation... looks like separate cursors < 1250281697 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, whoever implemented the feature, or the manager that decided it should be implemented < 1250281714 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're idiots. < 1250281770 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Mouse pointer trails have been provided as a feature mainly for users with poor vision and for screens that are difficult to see, such as LCD screens in bright sunlight." <-- no idea about that. But if the user both has poor vision and is using a computer for the first time in his life? < 1250281773 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then MAYBE < 1250281783 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(tough I doubt it) < 1250282066 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to love pointer trails < 1250282093 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: *though < 1250282109 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should switch them on < 1250282174 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay this is so much prettier < 1250282175 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1250282573 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1250282573 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1250282574 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1250282574 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1250282574 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1250282600 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no it's not < 1250282636 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by "vision problems" they mean "poor visual tastse" < 1250282640 0 :CESSMASTER!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :taste* < 1250282651 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1250282659 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it is. of course, i'd like it even more if it was like a flock of birds < 1250282667 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1250282682 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :being interesting > being useful < 1250282690 0 :lifthrasiir!i=Anx3dcV9@haje12.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1250282702 0 :ineiros!n=ineiros@james.ics.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1250282705 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, the trails aren't that interesting < 1250282726 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just pretty < 1250282789 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IDEA: Be able to type on single mouse and keyboard and have the stuff happen on the right computer (laptop or desktop) automagically. < 1250282800 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to implement? eye tracker < 1250282808 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it could actually work < 1250282821 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1250282832 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one computer would somehow redirect keyboard/mouse events to the other computer if I was looking at it's screen < 1250282838 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not use an eye tracker for the mouse? < 1250282841 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IDEA: Screw window management. Try OS management. < 1250282843 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've always wondered about that < 1250282845 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: consider the usecase of typing on irc while glancing over at the porn on your other computer. < 1250282850 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, hm. how do you click? < 1250282854 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very important to take porn into account when designing a UI < 1250282856 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blinking? < 1250282860 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, with a button? < 1250282861 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: prolly been done < 1250282864 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well blinking, if that works < 1250282866 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where you don't have each window with an application in it, but just a bunch of OSes. < 1250282867 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dasher has been implemented with eyes < 1250282868 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, has been done < 1250282870 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it requires no clicking < 1250282882 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: any response to the all important porn complaint? in fact i should name that < 1250282892 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elliott's Law: if a UI doesn't make it easy to interact with porn, it will fail. < 1250282898 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This begins to approach ehirdOS as you take it to the obvious conclusions. < 1250282911 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything begins to approach ehirdOS that way < 1250282912 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, for the porn thingy: why not just use the same computer < 1250282914 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from really bad things < 1250282915 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/ <-- move mouse pointer between different computers < 1250282923 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: yes, we know < 1250282925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both fit on my 21" monitor of desktop < 1250282928 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that + sloppy focus could work < 1250282936 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it could be HD porn! < 1250282962 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reason for using both: messing around with virtualbox on laptop and some 3D stuff on desktop < 1250282973 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irc is on desktop too < 1250282986 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :musicbrainz on laptop < 1250283010 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh btw ehird.... I get different PUIDs when ripping with laptop and desktop < 1250283019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to be due to "length off by a few frames" < 1250283031 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a cd frame is like a fraction of a second < 1250283041 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, someone suggested pregap too < 1250283052 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :music sound the same btw < 1250283053 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pregap is fun < 1250283059 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a CD with a song in the pregap < 1250283068 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no computer cd drives in this house can see it < 1250283075 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i just pirated it. < 1250283078 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1250283104 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I used cdparanoia on both desktop and laptop... < 1250283105 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a stereo you can rewind from track 1 < 1250283108 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get at it < 1250283112 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and < 1250283117 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for *most* tracks it is the same < 1250283127 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on one cd for example it was off for two tracsk < 1250283130 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tracks* < 1250283159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know which is "correct", since I added the cd to MB myself a few weeks ago < 1250283166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so don't have any reference to use < 1250283211 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw < 1250283217 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, about eye tracker for mouse < 1250283221 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see some issues with it < 1250283233 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure it would work nice a lot of the time, assuming the precision is good enough < 1250283235 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eye tracker for mouse in an fps would be fun < 1250283251 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, I often look somewhere else on screen after I already aimed mouse < 1250283252 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in < 1250283260 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. look where I want to go, start moving < 1250283261 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that + gun controller with trigger that acts as a click < 1250283265 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and foot pedals for jumping < 1250283268 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. look elsewhere, read text or whatever < 1250283273 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a scroll wheel dealie on the other hand for switching weapons < 1250283275 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be fun! < 1250283276 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3. click the place without looking at it < 1250283289 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and another pedal for "forwards" of coures. < 1250283292 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*course < 1250283311 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, elbow controller < 1250283315 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1250283315 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 1. look where I want to go, start moving ||| AnMaster: 2. look elsewhere, read text or whatever <<< with an eye tracker, this makes no sense < 1250283322 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, just invented it < 1250283325 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because at 1., you've done clicking. < 1250283328 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, oh true < 1250283332 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the fucking beauty of it, not a problem of it < 1250283342 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: elbow licking controller < 1250283348 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only for the elite! < 1250283361 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, however, I sometimes don't want to move mouse, like when I'm dragging something, and then I look for checking something in a terminal, then continue to drag < 1250283367 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, verify while I'm doing it < 1250283369 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or similiar < 1250283371 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just drag it over the terminal < 1250283372 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then move off < 1250283385 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel like clenching your eyes should be clicking < 1250283391 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can drag < 1250283393 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i'm not saying it works directly with the current ui's. < 1250283407 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, no, like you rest your elbow on the armrest of your chair, then your chin in your palm < 1250283414 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, elbow licking. < 1250283416 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you move your elbow slightly < 1250283418 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to control input < 1250283423 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, well that could work too < 1250283429 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :different vairants < 1250283435 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variants* < 1250283444 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, fair enough < 1250283452 0 :dbc!n=daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1250283456 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, how would you drag with that interface < 1250283460 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the eye tracker I mean < 1250283465 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clench eyes < 1250283474 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, anyway blink wouldn't work < 1250283477 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1250283479 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus clench eyes < 1250283481 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since human eyes blink every few seconds < 1250283499 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need a few seconds for anything mouse-related < 1250283504 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with an eye-tracker < 1250283505 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :built in behaviour to keep the eye surface moist < 1250283518 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster is telling us that our eyes blink automatically < 1250283518 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why < 1250283519 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, I think you misunderstood < 1250283521 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that cute? < 1250283522 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i'd just have buttons. < 1250283527 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :point is < 1250283534 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be mistaken for clicks < 1250283535 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :easily < 1250283538 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect < 1250283553 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, would work better but be less coool < 1250283555 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yeah i know your point. i never suggested clicking < 1250283565 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway eye clenching, why not < 1250283634 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would suggest having tons of little movements of the eyelids, but i do admit not everyone would probably like that < 1250283642 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would look weird, for one < 1250283657 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you could get three clicks with just left clench, right clench, both clench < 1250283667 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think both should be left < 1250283670 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's the easiest < 1250283683 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ooh i have a good one < 1250283689 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rolling your eyes in the back of your head is scrolling. < 1250283700 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see a difference in easiness, but yeah it's relatively common for people not to like moving them separately < 1250283706 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Facial expression controller < 1250283725 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean rolling them in the back of your head? < 1250283741 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, upwards, until under the lids? < 1250283757 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people can't do that either < 1250283812 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From what I hear, eye-tracking for control is pretty iffy, since the actual eye-movement stuff is not so very conscious, and the actual tracking systems that exist now are not very accurate. (An eye is not quite like a trackball ball, after all.) < 1250283835 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1250283863 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if they aren't perfectly accurate, then it'd obviously suck < 1250283867 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1250283868 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just kinda assumed < 1250283914 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The augmented-reality multimodal-interfaces people are playing with eye-trackers, I hear from them every now and then. < 1250283936 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's that http://www.pinview.eu/ project. < 1250283937 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i don't know about conscious, but whenever i want to click something, i look at it. so at least if there was like a button to start following eyes, it'd work for me < 1250283977 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i can't roll them in the back of my head either < 1250283978 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a joke < 1250283983 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it makes you feel sick too from what i gather < 1250283986 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better idea < 1250283994 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :click = ear wiggle < 1250283998 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could work fairly well < 1250284003 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I'm just not sure their "okay, now the user is actually consciously focusing on this thing" detection is so good. It can't just go around selecting everything you look at. < 1250284009 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can wiggle my ear if i smile... < 1250284026 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorta < 1250284038 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: i can do it easily < 1250284044 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you suck :P < 1250284045 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can wiggle my ears up/down easily < 1250284051 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never managed back/forth < 1250284061 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can make my eyes shake around wildly < 1250284065 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't do the "eyes under eyelids" < 1250284066 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like oscillate < 1250284069 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at all < 1250284070 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzzzzzzz < 1250284078 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't make a sound though < 1250284090 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can move my ears separately, but not easily < 1250284094 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone else did a freaky vibro-eyes thing too, I've forgotten who it was. < 1250284100 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay i have come up with an interface that almost all humans will like to use < 1250284102 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen that < 1250284106 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I can move my ears separately, but not easily <<< i never learned that :< < 1250284112 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, you have sex, and it measures you having sex, and performs actions based on it < 1250284121 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, well, it is more like "one moves a lot, the other moves a tiny bit" < 1250284129 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than "one moves, the other doesn't" < 1250284130 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear its fundamental controller is very popular < 1250284136 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: i can wiggle my ear if i smile... <<< i can do it without smiling, and i can do it for my nose too. < 1250284164 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Someone else did a freaky vibro-eyes thing too, I've forgotten who it was. <<< i have two completely different vibrations! < 1250284169 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : basically, you have sex, and it measures you having sex, and performs actions based on it <-- measure how? As in "in what position" or what? < 1250284172 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other is really small < 1250284177 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it tickles. < 1250284182 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of that fundamental controller, this is an old thing but still a bit related, http://web.media.mit.edu/~hayes/mas863/urinecontrol.html < 1250284184 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: just, like, micromeasurements < 1250284192 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ehird_: i can wiggle my ear if i smile... <<< i can do it without smiling, and i can do it for my nose too. <-- what about eyebrows? < 1250284202 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, are they still? < 1250284205 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: does it involve trying to hit various flies in the urinal < 1250284207 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if so awesome < 1250284217 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1250284217 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1250284242 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: oklopol, are they still? <<< no, which makes it trivial and uninteresting; damn you for asking :P < 1250284258 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well for the nose, they are still < 1250284271 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, mine are still < 1250284277 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wiggle nose? < 1250284279 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what way < 1250284280 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1250284286 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, these facial things are goddamn hard to learn, and they say many can't be learned at all, like the tongue things < 1250284302 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i consider the fact i've been able to learn them mostly luck < 1250284322 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes some are genetic controlled < 1250284338 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of the tongue ones for example < 1250284340 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rolling tongue? < 1250284342 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can roll my tongue < 1250284344 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that i can imagine anyone except myself actually making an effort towards learning them, but probably there have been some studies < 1250284346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, yep that is one of them < 1250284352 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fun < 1250284354 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't roll my tongue < 1250284357 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1250284362 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easy you just like < 1250284363 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :roll it. < 1250284364 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: i can roll it in two ways < 1250284371 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, you have the recessive gene then < 1250284373 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i can do the tube thing < 1250284374 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1250284375 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also < 1250284377 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the weird wave thing, making it look like a flower, that i can't do < 1250284377 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make a sort of wave < 1250284385 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i fold the tip of it < 1250284389 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then unfold that and the next bit < 1250284390 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1250284391 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the back < 1250284392 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, how far up/down can you reach < 1250284401 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: like, my tougue? < 1250284403 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tongue < 1250284414 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, as in, stick it out, try to touch your nose/beard < 1250284423 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm 13. i don't have a beard. < 1250284430 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can touch just below the tip of my nose < 1250284430 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sorry < 1250284431 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, noob < 1250284434 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no offence meant < 1250284437 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm a little bit away from the curve of my chin < 1250284443 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : i can touch just below the tip of my nose <-- same < 1250284451 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : and i'm a little bit away from the curve of my chin <-- I can do a bit more < 1250284459 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, quite a far bit downwards < 1250284462 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a tiny almost invisible beard, people usually laugh at me when i tell them i've never shaved it < 1250284466 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i say a bit, i'm really quite far away frmo it < 1250284469 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*from < 1250284496 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soon you'll be comparing tongue size with rulers. < 1250284507 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's kinda hard < 1250284509 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1250284517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : i have a tiny almost invisible beard, people usually laugh at me when i tell them i've never shaved it <-- I shave whenever the moustache causes problems with eating < 1250284524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is usually every second month or so < 1250284530 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :last shaved a few weeks ago < 1250284545 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so quite a short beard and moustache atm < 1250284574 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moustaches are the worst things to happen to faces < 1250284575 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever < 1250284577 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, this is all due to laziness < 1250284588 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, nah, not when they are connected to the beards < 1250284596 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moustache only yes < 1250284599 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay < 1250284633 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, think full beard, old sailor with pipe in his mouth, there is a moustache there too, but it's ends would be connected to the beard < 1250284641 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think Alan Cox. :p < 1250284659 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to think about Alan's cocks. < 1250284671 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e2/Alan_Cox_at_FOSS_2007.jpg is I guess reasonably current. < 1250284683 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, similiar, but Alan Cox's facial hair is kind of... unordered? < 1250284688 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to grow a beard that trails < 1250284690 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :disorganized? < 1250284691 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you could call it that. < 1250284692 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a moustache is okay if it's significantly smaller than the beard < 1250284692 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, around the whole room < 1250284715 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It's just so dynamic! Vibrant! Energized! (See, my adjectives are far more positive.) < 1250284722 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, :D < 1250284735 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it fits a hacker < 1250284746 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heheheh, cox < 1250284764 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that was interesting... I closed firefox, saving tabs. then five seconds later it, it reopened, resaved tabs, and closed again < 1250284769 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't touch anything < 1250284770 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1250284787 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_, that's his name < 1250284799 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :works for red hat iirc. < 1250284813 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought < 1250284819 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :email quote syntaxes suck < 1250284835 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, hm? maybe something xml based would be better < 1250284838 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1250284842 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the header < 1250284849 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes < 1250284851 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 10:39, Elliott Hird wrote:]] < 1250284851 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is free form < 1250284854 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be written just as well as < 1250284857 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, you mean: < 1250284865 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Elliott Hird, today:]] < 1250284881 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, if it wasn't the same day, < 1250284885 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think he's at Red Hat nowadays; certainly worked there a lot, though. < 1250284889 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm no < 1250284890 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Elliott Hird, 2009-08-14:]] < 1250284894 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, "Alan was employed by Linux distributor Red Hat for ten years, leaving in January 2009. He is now employed by Intel." < 1250284894 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess gmail's comes close < 1250284898 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, well it is also l10n usually < 1250284901 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm those , and : are rather unneeded < 1250284903 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1250284904 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1250284907 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :today wouldn't work well < 1250284910 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for archive purposes < 1250284916 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: dude, you archive the message date. < 1250284940 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, well. why the additional logic trying to interpret that < 1250284946 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather, have a standard format < 1250284953 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :including message id < 1250284961 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because email is for human < 1250284961 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1250284967 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then have the mail program/site translate it < 1250284969 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as needed < 1250284973 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would handle l10n too < 1250284974 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god i hate humans < 1250284978 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a painless way < 1250284979 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rec.games.roguelike.nethack used to have quite a few decidedly non-standard quote headers. < 1250284988 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no offense) < 1250284990 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, examples? < 1250284993 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usenet generally does < 1250285007 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ELLIOTT HIRD WONDERED LONELY AS A CLOUD AND THEN VOMITED THIS MESSAGE - LOOK AREN'T I COOL I HAVE A CUSTOM QUOTE HEADER -" < 1250285019 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I can find some, but you can guess the style. And I suppose they really would actually be quite rare, just selection bias in memory. < 1250285021 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1250285025 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :including the date in the quote header < 1250285028 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is totally unneccesary < 1250285035 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you can trivially find the original message in a threaded system < 1250285054 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, there is an issue, what if you don't have the original < 1250285054 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say < 1250285059 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone forwarded a convo < 1250285074 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should forward it in mbox format or whatever < 1250285076 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for whatever reason) < 1250285078 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, date isn't the only thing you'd miss < 1250285080 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, maildir < 1250285081 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd miss subjects too etc < 1250285082 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly < 1250285088 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, mbox. because it's one file. < 1250285095 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, no, outlook format < 1250285102 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1250285110 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhh, mbox is standard. < 1250285111 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there would be NO way we would end up with one format < 1250285117 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, with variants < 1250285122 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see jwz's website iirc < 1250285123 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't fucking care about standardisation < 1250285127 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it djb < 1250285132 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: variants don't matter, it's for human consumption < 1250285132 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1250285134 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i < 1250285134 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't < 1250285135 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :care < 1250285136 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beacuse < 1250285141 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, From: has to be quoted < 1250285141 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody will adopt this quote format except me < 1250285144 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so only i have to care < 1250285147 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: NOT TO THE HUMAN BRAIN! < 1250285150 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only to a dumb machine parser < 1250285160 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, well, why use mbox then < 1250285161 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're talking about forwarding, to humans < 1250285164 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it is for human only < 1250285169 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: because it's standard, pretty easy to read < 1250285173 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and everything has support for it already < 1250285215 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're such an annoying practicalist < 1250285242 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhh, no. < 1250285245 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think the date-in-quote-header would be more useful in the case where someone Cc:s you in a reply; it sounds a bit complicated to start sending mbox files around at that point. < 1250285247 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mbox is fairly pure. < 1250285254 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just 'From ', message < 1250285256 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :repeat forever < 1250285260 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(raw message, inc headers) < 1250285268 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: why is date so important < 1250285273 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why date and not everything else too < 1250285291 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :date and email < 1250285293 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, clients add reply-to headers < 1250285294 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the like < 1250285296 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are the most important < 1250285297 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how threading works < 1250285301 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: why < 1250285303 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why date < 1250285308 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you so obsessed with date and time? < 1250285314 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, yes, but for CC you wouldn't have the metadata of the original mail < 1250285321 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it was in some mailing list < 1250285327 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which it often isn't < 1250285330 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑↑↑↑↑↑↑ < 1250285359 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, because that and email are the only useful ones? Possibly subject too < 1250285369 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but stuff like X-Mail-Client or whatever < 1250285373 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be fairly useless < 1250285375 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : why is date so useful < 1250285375 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : because date is useful < 1250285377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in 99% of the cases < 1250285378 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :genius! < 1250285409 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, well, I can't see why it would be *less* useful than most other headers < 1250285413 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not quite sure how useful the date is, but it's certainly more useful than the other headers, discounting from/to/subject, which you would get in the "cc'd reply" case. < 1250285430 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to understand the message all you need is the name < 1250285438 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to understand timing issues < 1250285447 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, if there is a misunderstanding between three persons < 1250285452 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if it's a flamewar about the subject < 1250285455 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the subject is important < 1250285456 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to check date/time < 1250285459 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's include the subject too! < 1250285472 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, sounds like it might be useful < 1250285482 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it is useful in general < 1250285487 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :congrats, I just reductio ad absurdum'd your ass < 1250285492 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for "internal timeline purposes" < 1250285494 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just suggested putting the subject in quote lines. < 1250285521 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, I think it might be reasonable yes < 1250285526 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously < 1250285528 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why wouldn't it be < 1250285531 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lollllllllllll < 1250285532 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1250285535 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so let's include every header, just in case < 1250285538 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa! I just realized this conversation is going nowhere! < 1250285542 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's a flamewar about someone using outlook < 1250285546 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, can you prove subject isn't useful? < 1250285547 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right AnMaster? < 1250285552 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you asked me to prove date was useful < 1250285556 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: can you prove god doesn't exist? < 1250285564 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, ↑ about mail client. < 1250285578 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you prove oklopol exists! That's something I've often wondered. < 1250285579 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, then you asked me to prove the something similar < 1250285587 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case you were just trolling < 1250285600 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're ignoring my analogous argument because it reflects badly on yorus < 1250285602 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop that. < 1250285606 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yours < 1250285611 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: pay for a train ticket, and you'll have your proof < 1250285634 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, that's just be some starlight reflecting from swamp gas if I saw you. < 1250285636 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know how it goes. < 1250285645 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A weather balloon or something. < 1250285654 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should go and meet oklopol sometime, always wondered what it's like to be murdered < 1250285686 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: actually finland outlawed murder < 1250285691 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1250285695 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you pirate things on bittorrent < 1250285697 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's illegal too innit < 1250285700 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same thing really < 1250285708 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: yes, but torrents don't have worried mums < 1250285717 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so kill my mother first. < 1250285718 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DUH < 1250285718 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that hunt me down < 1250285720 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and put me in jail < 1250285721 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1250285723 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"When you pirate software, you're murdering ehird." < 1250285724 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1250285735 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Please think of the ehirds." < 1250285751 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: could you bring her along, i mean i'm not interested in coming to britain atm? < 1250285760 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure thing oklopol! < 1250285771 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright < 1250285795 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also bring the £30 you owe me < 1250285804 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(interest.) < 1250285813 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, just steal it < 1250285814 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from me < 1250285816 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once i'm dead < 1250285832 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, stealing is wrong < 1250285839 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1250285839 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hi! < 1250285845 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi AnMaster < 1250285851 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: why not do two illegal things before breakfast! < 1250285879 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION re-reads IWC (it was so many hours ago I read it, I forgot it)
< 1250285891 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :murdering is just illegal, i don't think euthanasia is wrong, although i do think it should be outlawed < 1250285895 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, that < 1250285899 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well oky < 1250285900 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*okay < 1250285902 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ^ < 1250285907 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's rare for someone to think that something isn't wrong but should be illegal < 1250285912 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: why outlaw it if it's wrong? xP < 1250285914 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess euthanasia can't be used unless you have like cancer, but anyway < 1250285914 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: lawl yeah < 1250285920 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how oklopol equates euthanasia with murder < 1250285925 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm saving you from the horrors of nihilism!" < 1250285954 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: naturally i don't think it'd be right to murder you if you didn't ask for it. < 1250285958 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also even if you did, i wouldn't believe you < 1250285963 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: but then it's not murder! < 1250285966 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: this seems a bit ahistorical, isn't the indiana jones theme supposed to be _before_ ww2 < 1250285984 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, if i did believe you, and the law couldn't catch me, i probably might murder you. but, that's completely hypothetical. < 1250285999 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: well right, i guess it's not murder. < 1250286001 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what to call this http server
< 1250286008 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the us didn't start on an atomic bomb until they joined the war, i think < 1250286031 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it should be illegal, because no one should be able to kill someone else if they have their signature for approval. < 1250286054 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, there's nothing wrong with having done so, if that signature is not a fake, and hasn't been forced. < 1250286069 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's nothing controversial about that, law is not enforced by a god. < 1250286089 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what you're saying is you think murder is wrong and illegal < 1250286093 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, for the record, i'm not going to murder anyone :P < 1250286093 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but consensual killing is neither < 1250286114 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you're warping this to "consensual killing is the same as murder, and murder is okay but should be illegal" < 1250286118 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: consensual killing should be illegal, but it isn't wrong, that i say. < 1250286131 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ...but why should something that isn't wrong be illegal? < 1250286139 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"murder" is never neither, i haven't been talking about murder, even if i've used the term. < 1250286149 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: i already explained that < 1250286158 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[21:40] oklopol: ais523: it should be illegal, because no one should be able to kill someone else if they have their signature for approval. < 1250286159 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Murder's never wrong or illegal? < 1250286160 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because nothing should be proof enough that it's consensual. < 1250286166 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1250286170 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hm... not sure < 1250286172 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: but that isn't how it works! < 1250286174 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1250286176 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1250286179 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, before or during the first part iirc < 1250286180 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :murder is both, right < 1250286185 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: hm, einstein's letter was a month before ww2 started < 1250286187 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: what do you mean? < 1250286201 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before that, the americans didn't even have the idea < 1250286202 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x_x < 1250286222 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, eh? < 1250286232 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1250286233 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1250286240 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah lag < 1250286246 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm better now < 1250286247 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION considers naming this program two-letteredly
< 1250286253 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and polluting the unix namespace further! < 1250286271 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, I'm sure I would never install any of your apps then :P < 1250286295 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is that not how it works, law is for rules that are useful for keeping the society in order, right and wrong are just ideals, in an imperfect society, they do not mean the same thing < 1250286308 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://st.suckless.org/, http://tools.suckless.org/ii < 1250286310 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sux2bu < 1250286316 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with perfect information, and perfect enforcement, they can be the same thing < 1250286324 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, i hope at least ais523 got my point < 1250286328 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i guess i understand < 1250286336 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1250286342 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that it's very possible to prove you want to die < 1250286344 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? you seem to be getting soft, or then i'm getting more intelligent. < 1250286357 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never used to get you to admit anything, even if i mathematically prove you wrong < 1250286363 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1250286363 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The program consists of a single window (There are no nested windows, such as in Xpdf) <-- xpdf uses nested windows? < 1250286369 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe require a court < 1250286372 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_: yes, very possible to prove it to me < 1250286374 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from http://suckless.org/common/cool_programs < 1250286387 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can prove to a court that you honestly want to sincerely end your life, then it's legal to be killed < 1250286395 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i think suicide should always be legal, no questions asked < 1250286401 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1250286402 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is in the UK i think < 1250286405 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not assisting suicide < 1250286409 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is basically... anything < 1250286417 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prolly including saying "well, if that's your choice" < 1250286444 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, angle of viewing is very good on this laptop, I have it 50 degrees or so and it is still pretty much the right colours < 1250286462 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: heh, people have said it isn't too good on the x200, but the screen is the same < 1250286464 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe slightly more contrast than right ahead < 1250286471 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really mind < 1250286474 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. maybe consensual killing should be legal in some situations, but that's a much more complicated subject, and i don't want to touch it. < 1250286483 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, at around 65 degrees the colours suddenly invert < 1250286484 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, ^ < 1250286485 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes, xpdf has some sort of document-model thing; you occasionally get a bit wonky focus behaviour in it. < 1250286492 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yeah, LCDs do that < 1250286495 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not IPS ones though < 1250286499 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this IPS screen is the bomb < 1250286508 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, heh < 1250286520 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no dead pixels that I notice, basically infinite viewing angle < 1250286523 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect colours < 1250286528 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, 50 degrees is enough to have laptop in front of desktop monitor < 1250286534 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and be able to see both screens completel < 1250286539 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :completely* < 1250286546 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now is the issue with typing still to solve < 1250286549 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1250286556 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would want ONE keyboard + eye tracking to figure out which < 1250286557 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm defining a compatible subset of http is a bitch < 1250286564 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: just use sloppy focus < 1250286566 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and synergy < 1250286573 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1250286574 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: sloppy focus != focus-follows mouse) < 1250286577 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*follows-mouse < 1250286577 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that work < 1250286583 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, what is it < 1250286585 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1250286585 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: sloppy focus = keyboard focus follows mouse, but click to raise < 1250286589 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what syngergy is < 1250286590 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linus Torvalds loves it < 1250286593 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not the sloppy one < 1250286598 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so do a bunch of other unixheads < 1250286598 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, I hate that < 1250286608 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do floppy socks. < 1250286609 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but synergy might work < 1250286609 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: then just use synergy to map keyboard to mouse < 1250286612 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the whole screen < 1250286619 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how to set it up < 1250286620 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in < 1250286625 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mouse on computer = kb on computer < 1250286634 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what would be cool in a synergy-like thing + ehirdOS? < 1250286640 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xinerama for the objects, across machines < 1250286643 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, can I use the keyboard of either computer then to control the other < 1250286645 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :drag the object across, voila! it's migrated < 1250286647 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the mouse of either < 1250286649 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :including any in-prgoress computation < 1250286654 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: sure < 1250286658 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does one need to be "the controlling end" < 1250286671 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, an iPhone advert just came on < 1250286679 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :talking about all the stuff you can do with copy-and-paste < 1250286684 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha :D < 1250286691 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, basically I have mouse connected to desktop and I want to use either laptop trackball or that mouse to control either computer < 1250286694 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be fair the iphone's copy-and-paste implementation is very elegant < 1250286701 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not trackball < 1250286703 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trackpoint < 1250286705 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does it work? it looked like double-clicking from the animation < 1250286707 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, well, nipple mouse < 1250286710 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err yes < 1250286713 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :typo < 1250286722 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, oh and, how does synergy + mouse grabbing apps like virtualbox? < 1250286722 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hold across a word/whatever to select, then release < 1250286723 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's now < 1250286726 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo |text| bar < 1250286729 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where text is highlighted < 1250286729 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen laptops with a trackball, but they aren't common any more < 1250286731 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, or 3D apps < 1250286735 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :drag each | to change the selection < 1250286736 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and above < 1250286740 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ copy | paste ] < 1250286741 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much < 1250286741 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, since I'm using such atm < 1250286745 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also eg press backspace then < 1250286752 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: another way is < 1250286756 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hold down to bring up the focusing thingy < 1250286759 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then mouse over the word < 1250286761 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it selects it < 1250286765 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, even cooler idea: drag windows between computers as you wanted < 1250286765 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not quite sure whether synergy supports that sort of configuration; the docs are all "Run the server on the computer that has the keyboard and mouse to be shared." < 1250286771 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: uhh, that's what I said < 1250286773 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdOS < 1250286774 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except with objects < 1250286775 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :automatically X fowarding < 1250286777 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it'd migrate the computation too < 1250286778 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :noo < 1250286778 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as needed < 1250286781 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd actually move computer < 1250286790 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, said where? < 1250286795 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :above < 1250286797 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, as i was saying, [21:49] ehird_: hmm defining a compatible subset of http is a bitch < 1250286798 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1250286799 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because < 1250286800 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :missed that < 1250286804 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :servers expect you to say 'GET / HTTP/1.1' < 1250286811 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and barf on, e.g. 'GET / HTTP/2.0' < 1250286823 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let alone 'GET / HTTP/saner' < 1250286828 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is HTTP/2.0 iirc? < 1250286833 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have to mandate saying 'HTTP/1.1' in your spec < 1250286842 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no < 1250286847 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it was just an example < 1250286853 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, maybe I misremember then < 1250286867 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apache doesn't mind "GET / HTTP/2.0\nHost: ...", it just replies with HTTP/1.1 200 OK. Other servers might mind, though. < 1250286883 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, anyway, how does synergy + input grabbing apps work? < 1250286887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet there might be issues < 1250286894 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% nc www.google.co.uk 80 < 1250286894 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GET / HTTP/2.0 < 1250286894 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Host: www.google.co.uk < 1250286894 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTTP/1.1 400 Bad Request < 1250286899 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: erm, that's the whole point of synergy. < 1250286912 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: At least synergy with a full-screen game (with a mouse-grabbing scroll-at-screen-border thing) has worked fine. < 1250286912 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, hm? < 1250286923 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, cool < 1250286933 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then virtualbox should not be an issue < 1250286954 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apache even accepts that "GET / HTTP/sane". That's one helpful server. < 1250286978 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, an issue with the "move between computers" thingy is when the app is a 3D one... < 1250286988 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :again, migrate the actual object < 1250286996 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :computation being sluggish? drag it to your server. < 1250287011 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1250287043 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, if an app suddenly ended up linked to libgl-nvidia.so instead of libgl-mesa.so thing would go very strange indeed < 1250287050 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as an example < 1250287058 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt that's a problem with ehirdOS; ehirdOS is so clever. < 1250287100 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, :D < 1250287110 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that almost sounded like sarcasm < 1250287119 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Synergy has two rather funny "avoid accidental flips" things; switchDelay and switchDoubleTap. The first is your normal "has to stay at the border for N milliseconds", but the second one is more curious; you have to hit the border twice (move to edge, move away, move back) within the specified time in order to get to the other screen. < 1250287128 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, "almost"? < 1250287141 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: are you on your period or something? i mean that's kinda not like you. < 1250287166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the latter sounds silly < 1250287169 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one of your things is sticking to your ways < 1250287170 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1250287173 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is the border < 1250287176 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Must've been some cosmic radiation flipping a sarcasm bit. < 1250287176 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it confuses me when you do that! < 1250287194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you describe a 3D situation that may change < 1250287195 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1250287204 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sarcastic logic: 4-valued logic with just 2 symbols < 1250287250 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or should that be sarcasm logic < 1250287254 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :laptop is standing besides desktop monitor, laptop screen top ends at about 2/5 of the desktop screen side < 1250287259 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it starts below the desktop screen < 1250287261 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ^ < 1250287274 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it is standing at an angle < 1250287278 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a bit in front < 1250287301 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that sarcasm joke was probably the best boolean algebra joke i've ever heard < 1250287360 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You can specify arbitrary ranges of borders that are linked to equally arbitrary ranges of borders on other screens. I'm not quite sure how you'd want it to take into account the angle, though, since it's not like you can displace the cursor out from the monitor plane. < 1250287384 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And dynamic changes in the configuration might be a bit iffy, haven't tried that. < 1250287385 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, sure you can, if you use compiz < 1250287398 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should just be a matter of some 3D cube thingy animation bling-bling < 1250287409 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever < 1250287415 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, well, it doesn't do that. < 1250287428 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, good thing, since I don't use compiz < 1250287429 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1250287439 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(compiz fucks up with 3D in virtualbox) < 1250287468 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway. how does one get started with it < 1250287477 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one computer use a static xorg.conf, no hal crap < 1250287482 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wishes the rss feed for the esolang forum included comments
< 1250287484 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other is a crapfeast of hal on ubuntu < 1250287489 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can tell it that if the mouse enters the short bit from 33% to 42% in the left border of the laptop screen, it enters from the range 22% to 77% from top of the desktop, if you want. < 1250287498 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, we have a forum? < 1250287510 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*blink* < 1250287518 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where? < 1250287522 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. not much used though. < 1250287527 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, WHERE? < 1250287543 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use synergy so rarely that I just wrote a synergy.conf on the computer with the mouse and keyboard, and start that manually when I need it. I assume it's been packetized everywhere. < 1250287545 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same host as the wiki. < 1250287560 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at the root page < 1250287561 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I want either computer's input device to be able to control that of the other < 1250287569 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, like I said, I'm not sure it supports that. < 1250287571 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_ said it could be done < 1250287576 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1250287628 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I don't know how it's done with synergy, if it can be done. < 1250287650 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The first step is to pick which keyboard and mouse you want to share. The computer with that keyboard and mouse is called the "primary screen" and it runs the synergy server. All of the other computers are "secondary screens" and run the synergy client." < 1250287654 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, ^ you lied < 1250287712 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: anyway there was a new post today, which i answered, and then i realized rss won't tell me if there are further responses. < 1250287788 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the all threads page show latest post dates, though < 1250287923 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shows < 1250287925 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason post #3 of the "Esoteric Programming" thread looks like it would belong to someone on #esoteric. < 1250287958 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, I hate forums < 1250287959 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's rather spamful < 1250287961 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :much prefer irc < 1250287969 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: link < 1250287969 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, no moderators? < 1250287970 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(#3 that is) < 1250287990 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: http://esolangs.org/forum/kareha.pl/1192759617/l50 < 1250288028 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's not exactly a big problem < 1250288045 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was more trolling than spam that one, i think < 1250288068 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I forgot the esoforum existed < 1250288116 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy to do, thus i subscribed to the rss < 1250288135 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok post three's style sound familiar < 1250288137 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1250288141 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks around
< 1250288158 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird? < 1250288184 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_ once printed a massive ascii pic iirc < 1250288197 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, the newlines there seem more ehird_'s style < 1250288206 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I agree acii art isn't < 1250288208 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed < 1250288242 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_ usually paste spams only relevant data, although not always relevant enough to be paste spammed < 1250288275 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, look at the date < 1250288281 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, was different a few years ago < 1250288282 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm a spammer < 1250288290 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 Name: Anonymous : 2007-10-19 02:13 ID:uedzKvu7 < 1250288291 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not here, that often < 1250288312 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I agree. it isn't his style to do ascii art spam < 1250288334 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ascii art that fails since the site uses non-fixed font < 1250288342 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"my other car is a cdr" isn't his style either < 1250288353 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm fairly sure he'd consider it old and stupid < 1250288359 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, yes < 1250288389 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "\nAlso " is his style though < 1250288397 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i send the lecturer along listing of errors in his material? < 1250288420 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, not until you got the final marks in that course! < 1250288426 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then: yes < 1250288446 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is pretty exact science < 1250288449 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i don't make mistakes < 1250288454 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : should i send the lecturer along listing of errors in his material? <-- also, "send along"? Didn't you mean "send a long"? < 1250288458 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the feedback is usually positive < 1250288466 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*a long, yes < 1250288467 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, decide yourself < 1250288477 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tend to make a lot of mistakes < 1250288480 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you see < 1250288489 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, you mean "alot of"? < 1250288503 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1250288518 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't need to, because i only do one joke per message :) < 1250288580 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1250289397 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, synergy seems to work well for one host controlling the rest < 1250289404 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the multi-direction? nop < 1250289422 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, can't find the "2/3rd" thingy < 1250289731 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.76.79 JOIN :#esoteric < 1250289756 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1250289761 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.76.79 JOIN :#esoteric < 1250289762 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1250289791 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:57:23 ehird_, if an app suddenly ended up linked to libgl-nvidia.so instead of libgl-mesa.so thing would go very strange indeed < 1250289792 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:57:30 as an example < 1250289792 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:57:38 I doubt that's a problem with ehirdOS; ehirdOS is so clever. < 1250289792 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, actually. < 1250289803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if by clever you mean has a non-shitty design. < 1250289815 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, still synergy is one-way only... < 1250289820 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it doesn't really cut it < 1250289820 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well. < 1250289860 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:04:44 the other is a crapfeast of hal on ubuntu < 1250289860 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a feast of crap < 1250289865 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but err, non-duplicated configuration is crap? < 1250289871 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :linux users are...... stupid < 1250289877 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hal will be dropped < 1250289880 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1250289882 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in next ubuntu < 1250289883 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the basic concept is fine < 1250289887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully for something better < 1250289889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's being replaced by its linux replacement < 1250289894 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is basically the same but better < 1250289901 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, in kernel? < 1250289905 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1250289908 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so there are some config issues < 1250289910 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hal is being replaced < 1250289926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DeviceKit < 1250289926 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I mean, how do you configure joystick X11 driver for example < 1250289933 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the new system < 1250289934 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeviceKit < 1250289937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fedora 11 includes it < 1250290037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:04:58 oerjan, we have a forum? < 1250290038 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:05:10 *blink* < 1250290038 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:05:18 where? < 1250290038 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/forum/ < 1250290045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the nice, anonymous kind too < 1250290049 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although most posters don't seem to realise that < 1250290072 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, can you stop doing the log reading more than once / day please ;P < 1250290080 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, fu < 1250290091 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:07:34 ehird_, ^ you lied < 1250290091 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"lied" < 1250290111 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you seemed to indicate you were completely sure < 1250290117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i did not < 1250290123 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes you did < 1250290124 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1250290129 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:14:05 it was more trolling than spam that one, i think < 1250290139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hax my anus. < 1250290151 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not me) < 1250290177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you, you /prog/lodytes. < 1250290204 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-095-208-142-060.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1250290266 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:18:54 ascii art that fails since the site uses non-fixed font < 1250290266 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, no < 1250290279 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just need the right font. < 1250290291 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, which font? < 1250290296 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MS PGothic, or for X11, Mona < 1250290299 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how do you know that < 1250290300 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's Shift_JIS art < 1250290304 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1250290312 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how did you figure that out < 1250290313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: because I know a lot about the 2channel/world4ch culture < 1250290324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, Mona was specifically created to have the same metrics as MS PGothic < 1250290328 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, sure you didn't post it? < 1250290330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for Shift_JIS art < 1250290332 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes. < 1250290332 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1250290334 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kay < 1250290378 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway no point worrying about authorship, it's anonymous for a reason < 1250290426 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1250290498 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what reason? ;P < 1250290499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:19:02 "my other car is a cdr" isn't his style either < 1250290499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:19:13 i'm fairly sure he'd consider it old and stupid < 1250290499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I like that quote < 1250290500 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ducks* < 1250290509 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:19:49 the "\nAlso " is his style though < 1250290510 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's meme's style < 1250290524 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: read http://wakaba.c3.cx/shii/ < 1250290535 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you say tl;dr, I will stab you and force you to never read anything again < 1250290600 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks ehird must be getting a long list of people to stab
< 1250290606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people are idiots. < 1250290680 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:20:49 and i don't make mistakes < 1250290681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:21:17 i tend to make a lot of mistakes < 1250290681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1250290690 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, see /msg < 1250290703 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...? < 1250290726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what on earth AnMaster wants to say to oerjan that's so secret and important
< 1250290779 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :telling people to see /msg in-channel doesn't really work, they might not notice < 1250290783 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do it in a /msg to make sure they see it < 1250290802 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, except I don't normally notice /msg unless someone mentions it in channel < 1250290805 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats ais523 -----###
< 1250290814 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: tell us what he said! < 1250290815 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1250290817 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: set your client up to let you know when someone /msgs you, though < 1250290823 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it leaves a red tab and a flashing icon for me < 1250290827 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh it was a password for a website. Nothing important < 1250290840 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: no, I like that quote <<< okay, but i'm sure you could've hated it < 1250290846 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i share my password aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaall the time < 1250290850 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, issue: channel list is longer than fits on screen < 1250290853 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my irssi splits the window automatically on a msg < 1250290865 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty hard not to notice < 1250290871 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no as in "bugmenot" kind of share < 1250290873 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1250290885 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, even freenode alone is longer than fits on screen < 1250290896 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: then make the channel tabs smaller < 1250290899 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right to kinkyesotericporn.com, where they fuck brains and ejaculate underloads < 1250290902 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was my solution to that problem < 1250290905 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(↑ man that was a terrible joke) < 1250290911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: he has 500 tabs. < 1250290913 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, over < 1250290916 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, they are in a tightly packed list at 6 points font < 1250290917 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :over 500 channels + consoles + talks < 1250290934 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: don't try and tell him to leave the ones he doesn't talk in or look at, he won't understand you < 1250290942 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, over 500 channels alone < 1250290943 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he speaks in a language almost entirely like english apart from that < 1250290950 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :consoles? around 30-40 tabs < 1250290951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you parsed it wrong. < 1250290958 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, he's still in #feather-lang < 1250290974 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes I'm waiting for you < 1250290987 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll go in there if there's progress < 1250290991 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'll let #esoteric know at the same time < 1250291007 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* oklopol (n=oklopol@a91-153-125-186.elisa-laajakaista.fi) has joined #feather-lang < 1250291009 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTIVITY! < 1250291026 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, big news, i join every channel i see, and part them when my client crashes :) < 1250291055 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, what about # < 1250291059 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it exists < 1250291071 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in < 1250291073 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a # < 1250291076 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing after < 1250291095 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, wow you missed lots of action in #feather-lang < 1250291105 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1250291145 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any /interesting/ action? < 1250291151 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some < 1250291155 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1250291156 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :none < 1250291157 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it Feather-related? < 1250291165 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1250291168 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before ehird joined < 1250291171 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what ehird said < 1250291192 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, see /msg < 1250291194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the log < 1250291198 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, no then < 1250291206 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I saw your msg before you told me, and it was obviously a log < 1250291224 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: oklopol, what about # <<< can't join it by clicking, and it doesn't look like a channel to me, so i usually wouldn't < 1250291232 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did now, though < 1250291233 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1250291237 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when oerjan said #3 earlier, i joined it < 1250291255 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, try /join #3,000 < 1250291259 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(don't!) < 1250291276 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :silly you < 1250291284 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think i don't know that < 1250291284 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, you know the effect? right < 1250291299 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, I half *hoped* you wouldn't < 1250291301 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however < 1250291304 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw it work once < 1250291318 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except then the , was some odd similar looking unicode symbol < 1250291327 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a network allowing unicode in channel names < 1250291361 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, know a good news client for linux? < 1250291365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graphical preferred < 1250291372 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've seen it work too < 1250291379 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nc in a terminal < 1250291381 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, although I've heard Thunderbird is decent < 1250291384 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tried knode, doesn't work well < 1250291387 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you asked for "good". < 1250291389 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but as usual, i've read about it. < 1250291393 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't recommend it as I haven't used it myself < 1250291410 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also this is news = usenet, not news = some silly rss feed or such < 1250291415 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, as in usenet < 1250291430 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, should be able to handle binary channels too btw < 1250291442 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reasonably < 1250291480 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as in, be able to handle yydecode and "split over several messages" well) < 1250291550 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also needs ipv6 support < 1250291558 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why: because I use a news server that is ipv6 only < 1250291575 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't IPvN support an OS issue, not a client issue? < 1250291580 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, both < 1250291589 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, different socket types < 1250291602 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and different struct sizes < 1250291605 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to store the ip and such < 1250292196 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used Thunderbird for NNTP, it works quite well actually. < 1250292328 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used Pan, and it works reasonably well. < 1250292332 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pan.rebelbase.com/ < 1250292348 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I've also used Thunderbird, and it wasn't too awful either. < 1250292358 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, Pan's news-only, so they do some things better. < 1250292364 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, the sleep. < 1250292783 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tight. < 1250293071 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use thunderbird for mail+news+RSS < 1250293081 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As an all-in-one, it's pretty sweet. < 1250293217 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codetojoy.blogspot.com/2008/04/open-source-group-announces-jjava.html < 1250293221 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/forum/kareha.pl/1192759617/l50 <<< i find #7 a lot more annoying than #3 < 1250293240 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For "busy Java programmers" that "don't have time to learn a new syntax". < 1250293292 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Yes, because the *syntax* is the hard thing to learn about a new language... < 1250293304 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. April 1st. < 1250293306 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good work. < 1250293351 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1250293795 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone ported Java to the JVM? < 1250293851 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Took them long enough. < 1250293959 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1250293969 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.76.79 JOIN :#esoteric < 1250294128 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1250294230 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection