00:03:22 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Remote closed the connection). 00:23:44 -!- olsner_ has changed nick to olsner. 00:45:01 mycroftiv: http://msm.grumpybumpers.com/?p=20 quantum mario darwinism 00:56:47 -!- GregorR_ has joined. 01:01:24 -!- FireFly has quit ("Later"). 01:17:19 -!- GregorR has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 01:22:31 -!- GregorR_ has changed nick to GregorR. 01:31:15 GregorR: Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. 01:31:59 Mooooooooooooooooo. 01:32:02 ehird: psl {[ "Hello, world!" print ]} 01:32:30 pikhq: I'd retort in K, but I'm not even sure it has a convenient function for printing to stdout. 01:32:37 (`show $ "Hello, world!"). :P 01:32:54 System.out.println("Hello, world!"); 01:33:14 class Main { public static void main(String[] args) { System.out.println("Hello, world!"); } } 01:33:28 (insert the enum/static initialiser short java hello world here) 01:33:30 -!- jix has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 01:33:47 "Hello, world!" could count as a k hello world, I guess. 01:33:57 {print "Hello, world!"} /* Awk */ 01:41:11 -!- Sneezle has quit ("good night, have fun o/"). 01:59:31 -!- Gracenotes has joined. 02:12:25 -!- ehird has quit. 02:34:32 -!- Asztal has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 02:42:10 -!- nooga has quit (Remote closed the connection). 04:12:45 $ ./ggc_test_dot 04:12:45 Segmentation fault 04:12:48 WOOH 04:14:13 wait, ggc? 04:21:18 Would it be feasible to come up with a class of theorem provers known as "first-order-logic-complete" or something, where for every pair of theorem provers X and Y within the class, there is a proof in X that if X is consistent then Y is consistent? 04:23:35 If so, I think we should do that. 04:23:50 And come up with a class of theorem provers that prove each other as consistent as themselves. 04:24:16 In order for any of them to be flawed, every single one of them would have to be flawed. 04:28:18 oerjan: Generational garbage collector. 04:28:28 GregorR: Segmentation fault? BEST KIND! 04:28:45 Actually that was more-or-less intentional. 04:28:49 everyone their own type of fault 04:43:04 GregorR: I hate to make you feel derivative, but: http://www.crummy.com/features/dada/ 04:43:10 Dadasaurus Rex. 04:43:46 I don't recall claiming that my randomizer was unique. 04:43:53 well to stop feeling derivative, he'll just have to integrate the new knowledge 04:43:54 Okay, then. 04:50:45 pikhq: Besides, we're still keeping it in the Richards.* family. 04:51:56 GregorR: I didn't know family names were regular expressions. 04:52:08 Richards is just a contraction of Richardson :P 04:52:28 Sush you. 04:52:57 Or else I shall insist your father was named "Richard", and that your son will be a Gregorson. 04:54:34 clearly it's short for richardsaurus 05:25:09 -!- Asztal has joined. 05:47:10 -!- oerjan has quit ("Good night"). 05:59:55 o 06:23:17 oko 06:36:10 haha 06:36:13 at xkcd today 06:36:14 :D 06:36:29 the annotation even more so 06:44:52 bbl 07:00:21 -!- asiekierka has joined. 07:00:21 Hi 07:00:29 I made a working BF interpreter in GMod :D 07:14:59 -!- FireFly has joined. 07:56:05 -!- Asztal has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:05:55 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 08:15:29 -!- Deewiant has quit (Remote closed the connection). 08:15:55 -!- Deewiant has joined. 08:16:32 hi 09:00:00 -!- lifthrasiir has quit (Remote closed the connection). 09:01:23 -!- lifthrasiir has joined. 09:13:44 -!- lifthrasiir has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 09:15:15 -!- olsner has quit ("Leaving"). 09:15:26 -!- lifthrasiir has joined. 09:42:57 -!- BeholdMyGlory has joined. 10:03:07 -!- ais523 has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 10:49:34 http://asiekierka.boot-land.net/computah.html - oh my god this is the worst podcast on the planet earth 10:55:15 -!- MigoMipo has quit ("QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server"). 11:15:55 -!- Gracenotes_ has joined. 11:17:54 -!- Gracenotes has quit (Nick collision from services.). 11:17:57 -!- Gracenotes_ has changed nick to Gracenotes. 11:35:16 hello from university 11:35:24 bbl 11:36:26 -!- andi_ has joined. 11:55:44 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 12:15:29 -!- Gracenotes_ has joined. 12:17:15 -!- Gracenotes has quit (Nick collision from services.). 12:17:21 -!- Gracenotes_ has changed nick to Gracenotes. 12:25:44 -!- nooga has joined. 12:43:14 -!- Sgeo has joined. 13:03:54 -!- nooga has quit (Remote closed the connection). 13:30:58 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Remote closed the connection). 13:42:33 -!- Asztal has joined. 13:49:28 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 14:03:41 -!- Sgeo has joined. 14:38:04 -!- jix has joined. 14:48:36 -!- MigoMipo has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 14:49:18 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 14:50:43 -!- BeholdMyGlory has joined. 14:52:29 -!- MigoMipo has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)). 14:52:57 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 14:54:00 Ok, just made the symlink. 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Wish me luck. 14:54:29 -!- Sgeo has quit ("Leaving"). 14:58:21 -!- Sgeo has joined. 15:09:59 -!- andi_ has quit (Connection timed out). 15:10:40 -!- andi_ has joined. 15:23:41 -!- Gracenotes_ has joined. 15:23:54 -!- jix has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 15:24:03 -!- Gracenotes has quit (Nick collision from services.). 15:24:22 -!- Gracenotes_ has changed nick to Gracenotes. 15:32:21 -!- Gracenotes has quit ("ChatZilla 0.9.85-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.1.2/20090801173140]"). 15:42:04 real 0m0.035s 15:42:04 user 0m0.020s 15:42:04 sys 0m0.008s 15:42:06 nice 15:42:17 for cfunge with non-empty environment 15:42:21 on my laptop 16:02:15 -!- MigoMipo has quit ("QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server"). 16:02:26 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 16:03:04 bbl going home 16:06:53 byes 16:07:28 Hm, I should make a language where there literally is only one way to do things. 16:07:32 Probably won't be TC 16:08:00 -!- andi_ has quit (Connection timed out). 16:08:37 -!- andi_ has joined. 16:09:17 I'm bored 16:09:23 What esolang to implement in gmod now? :( 16:10:20 gmod? 16:10:31 Garry's Mo 16:10:31 d 16:10:42 I implemented brainf**k already 16:10:45 Sgeo: nice idea, btw 16:10:48 How do you implement an esolang in a game? 16:10:51 Wiremod 16:10:53 asiekierka, it came from some place 16:11:04 an addon to GMod that allows you to do programming and stuff 16:11:08 People have done CPUs in it xD 16:11:20 o.O 16:13:51 The site that I got the idea from is down 16:14:09 It was some insane POS about designing a language 16:14:28 One of the things was that doing something should be done in character-identical ways 16:14:45 Heh 16:15:06 I can't believe you could do complex programs with only one way in it 16:15:17 Probably not going to have loops 16:15:26 I'm thinking how arithmatic would be done 16:15:27 Wait 16:15:31 Leave only while loops 16:15:32 Parenthesis would be required 16:15:34 Only one way to loop! 16:15:55 asiekierka, but then you could print 1\n1 by either printing 1\n1 or looping 16:16:09 So don't allow to print more than 1 char at once 16:16:12 Case solvesd 16:16:14 solved* 16:16:16 Oh wait 16:16:20 Well, you're right 16:16:46 I was thinking maybe only being able to use a statement once at each level 16:16:48 But maybe not 16:16:57 Not having loops would be easier 16:17:13 Now, how do I deal with the possibility of an if True: equivalent? 16:18:14 There are 26 variables, a-z. Variables have to be declared in order 16:18:27 That is, var b = 1 is wrong if it's the first line, since it needs to be a 16:18:35 -!- Gracenotes has joined. 16:18:59 Sgeo: Would a big finite-size decision tree work? 16:19:19 MigoMipo, hm? 16:19:24 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decision_tree 16:19:54 Hm 16:20:04 Could that be made to simulate http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_that_always_halts ? 16:20:34 Decision trees always halt unless they loop back on themselves 16:24:51 I don't see a good way to allow arithmatic 16:25:50 Variables could be either static or dynamic. Only dynamic variables can be used in arithmatic 16:25:55 var a = get_num(); 16:25:59 a is dynamic. 16:26:07 Because it comes from user input. 16:26:21 Maybe I should allow infinite memory 16:26:28 v[0] = get_num(); 16:27:03 Once a variable is assigned, it must be used before it is reassigned. Or maybe it can't be reassigned. 16:29:49 * Sgeo is trying to design a programming language where there is exactly one way to do what's needed. No more 16:29:49 Sgeo: binary? 16:30:37 Arithmetic is easy to do with a machine that always halts. Stack machine FTW. 16:30:37 http://codepad.org/kQMoVbEU 16:31:09 Making said machine do more than arithmetic while still always halting is a bit more involved. ;) 16:42:55 -!- oerjan has joined. 16:45:16 oerjan, read logs? 16:45:26 doing so yes 16:45:30 Oh, and no static variables, come to think of it 16:47:30 Probably won't be TC <-- indeed, probably would violate the undecidability of equivalent programs 16:48:22 I was talking about it on another channel, and they said I'll fail, because if it's TC (I never said I wanted it to be TC), then there will always be another way, even if it's implementing a turing machine 16:49:17 yes, take two turing machines that are equivalent but not provably so, and translate them both 16:49:56 Indeed. 16:51:23 It's pretty obvious that it's not going to be TC. It's not clear whether or not this will be useful at all. 16:51:35 pikhq, it's an esolang, how useful can it be? 16:51:56 :) 16:52:01 I have a feeling that it could be interesting, but I'll mangle it. 16:52:42 if you had two subprograms, they could never be switchable so at a minimum subprograms would have to interfer with each other in a destructive way 16:53:16 assuming sequential commands apply 16:53:32 subprograms? 16:53:55 You mean, do one thing, then do another, entirely separate thing? 16:53:56 or substrings, even 16:54:00 yes 16:54:19 THat's blocked by the uninteresting requirement that variables be assigned in incrementing order 16:54:27 huh :) 16:54:30 So you have to assign to v[5] before you can assign to v[6] 16:54:47 ...I think I misunderstood you 16:54:58 not really, that does sound like a way 16:55:08 however what about switching + renaming? 16:55:26 or wait no 16:55:30 duh 16:55:50 hm? 16:56:35 Either there will be no multiplication, or no loops that depend on a variable. 16:57:02 Otherwise, there's two ways to multiply 16:58:52 I'm not sure I understand why switching is a problem? Or is that why you said duh? 16:59:29 switching would be a problem if you could do it... 17:00:01 What do you mean by switching? 17:00:08 now a second problem. if two variables can have the same value then you get two ways of referring to that value later 17:00:35 Variables can only store user-input. So they may have the same value, or may not. 17:00:42 Although if we have ifs... 17:00:51 -!- Pthing has quit (Remote closed the connection). 17:01:02 Sgeo: A B C D -> A C B D, where B and C don't interfer 17:01:23 huh. 17:01:32 hi oerjan 17:01:36 hi AnMaster 17:01:51 -!- ehird has joined. 17:01:54 hi ehird 17:01:58 oerjan, isn't that only a problem if B and C don't get user-input or output stuff? 17:02:13 bleargh 17:02:17 Otherwise, the program will do something different either way, assuming variables are renamed 17:02:17 that may be 17:02:18 Hi ehird 17:02:52 Sgeo: so your program sort of depends on _every_ command doing I/O? 17:03:28 No, but I think we might require every variable to be present in output somehow, to prevent no-ops 17:03:32 So, doing everything in the IO monad, and no recursion? 17:04:23 Yeah, um, the switching thing: 17:05:22 Um, was about to post an example, but can't figure it out 17:05:33 Oh, got it 17:05:59 Let's pretend $ is a mathematical operator 17:07:33 http://codepad.org/BTDu67gy 17:07:44 How do we stop both from being valid? 17:09:42 -!- andi___ has joined. 17:10:30 08:29:49 * Sgeo is trying to design a programming language where there is exactly one way to do what's needed. No more 17:10:32 Impossible. 17:10:32 right 17:10:41 Like, literally. 17:10:53 It has to be MASSIVELY sub-turing to be possible. 17:10:58 i.e., useless. 17:11:05 -!- andi_ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 17:11:06 ehird, what esolang isn't useless? 17:11:12 I don't think you understand. 17:11:18 That arithmetic? Forget about it. 17:11:42 hm you probably could do an FSA that way 17:12:09 Well, it may have a form of arithmetic. ... Actually, the only arithmetic possible is useless. 17:12:17 Like, incrementing without decrementing useless. 17:12:22 i'm pretty sure peano arithmetic is impossible to make unique 17:12:37 consider + 2 then + 2 instead of + 4 17:12:44 -!- GregorR-L has joined. 17:12:46 for an example 17:13:14 Sgeo: Your language is going to be less powerful than HQ9+. 17:13:19 Constants can't be used in arithmetic expressions, only variables. 17:13:31 And variables need to get their values from user-input 17:13:46 pikhq: Yes; you'd have to remove the +. 17:13:59 Sgeo: Fail. 17:13:59 Well, actually, wait, constants can be used, maybe 17:14:02 http://codepad.org/kQMoVbEU 17:14:04 v[2] isn't from user input. 17:14:16 Sgeo: just give up, it's impossible 17:14:24 User-input or derived from user-input 17:14:27 -!- ehird has quit (Remote closed the connection). 17:14:42 -!- ehird has joined. 17:14:45 -!- ehird has left (?). 17:14:53 Sgeo, it is impossible, without being stupidly sub-turing 17:15:00 -!- ehird has joined. 17:15:11 ehird, connection issues? 17:15:21 client issues. 17:15:30 ok 17:15:56 09:14:24 User-input or derived from user-input 17:16:02 you have fallen in to my trap 17:16:16 v[2]=v[1]+2;v[3]=v[2]+2;print(v[3]) 17:16:17 vs 17:16:25 v[3]=v[1]+4;print(v[3]) 17:18:01 hm (btw that's syntactically incorrect, but I see the point) 17:20:52 ...I don't know how to work around that 17:21:07 I mean, without forbidding constants in variable assignments 17:21:17 Congratulations, you have figured out that it's impossible to do the impossible. 17:21:19 And if we did that, .. um, actually 17:21:21 What's your next breakthrough? :P 17:21:48 Actually, I see a way around it, I think 17:22:11 Only one addition operation per user-input, type of thing 17:22:22 * Sgeo is watching a video right now, so not fully focused on this 17:23:36 Sgeo, nicely sub-tc 17:23:36 Sgeo: please stop, you're embarrassing yourself with a tarpit 17:23:42 futher and further 17:23:54 the turing ones hang out on top, you're digging towards the ground underneath 17:24:11 ehird, "towards"? 17:24:13 One addition of a constant, I meant 17:24:21 I thought this was sub-surface already 17:24:23 bbl food 17:24:30 AnMaster: yes, it is infinitely thin. 17:24:34 as soon as you go beneath the top, you hit the ground 17:24:35 * ehird claps 17:24:36 Although adding and subtracting a variable would be problematic 17:24:51 Sgeo: Why are you doing this? It's. Impossible. 17:31:09 ehird: He's planning to dine at the Restaurant at the End of the Universe, I bet. 17:31:44 http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/9byek/interview_with_developers_of_menuetos_an_os/c0c706x / wonderful juxtaposition here from losethos 17:31:52 (the topic being menuetos) 17:33:41 ehird: The Menuet OS guys seem quite a bit more sane. 17:33:52 that was rather the point of the thread i linked 17:34:11 They're just pointless and silly. Losethos is... Crazy. 17:34:19 Like, the embodiment of crazy. 17:34:27 methinks you didn't click my link 17:34:57 "It is definitely a battle between these guys and the Losethos guy for who is the most insane" 17:35:14 ...and the reply after it... 17:35:34 Oh, right. 17:35:38 :) 17:35:44 Maybe it's a joke? 17:35:50 Sgeo: sorry, no 17:35:51 Sgeo: Losethos? 17:35:56 i've researched this 17:36:01 losethos is very much mentally insane 17:36:04 No, Losethos is the Time Cube of OS development. 17:36:15 at least gene ray is an isolate 17:36:19 I want to believe! 17:36:26 I want to believe that it's just a joke! 17:36:28 lol 17:37:29 sort(1) doesn't have a --random option, ugh 17:38:33 "Just attempting to figure out the inconsistencies behind jailbreak=ok, break a GPL license=no-ok." 17:38:34 ;_; 17:38:37 must not reply to idiots 17:38:39 must not reply to idiots 17:38:42 ... 17:38:44 must stab idiots 17:38:47 verbally 17:39:00 hm 17:39:07 the menuetos page fails to load 17:39:48 ah now it works 17:40:21 AnMaster: It's getting Reddit'd and Slashdotted. 17:40:31 pikhq, ok 17:42:49 pikhq, btw, found out why syngergy disables key repeat: for the same reason as x11vnc 17:42:52 which is, network lag 17:43:01 key up and key down events can be delayed a lot 17:43:02 ...did he ask? 17:43:10 ehird, we discussed it a few days ago 17:43:21 ehird, why do you care? 17:43:58 pikhq, anyway, key repeat is done locally on the system that the input is connected to, so it will still work, just not at the local console 17:44:07 but it prevents spurious repeats 17:45:16 AnMaster: Weird. 17:45:41 pikhq, because key down = send key down message, key up = send key up 17:45:47 you can't fake early key up 17:45:54 because, that would break some programs 17:46:03 like games, where you want to hold down arrow key or such 17:46:45 Hrm. 17:56:47 -!- puzzlet has quit (Remote closed the connection). 17:56:51 -!- puzzlet has joined. 18:02:59 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 18:04:47 -!- Sgeo has joined. 18:07:57 -!- MigoMipo has quit ("QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server"). 18:10:03 -!- oerjan has quit ("leaving"). 18:12:55 -!- nooga has joined. 18:17:36 huh 18:17:41 weird linker error 18:18:02 "vtable for Class", referenced from: 18:18:14 -!- kar8nga has joined. 18:26:56 nooga, C++ eww ;P 18:27:06 yeah 18:27:11 why 18:27:20 work 18:27:23 i hate C++ 18:29:22 AnMaster: any sun in sweden 18:29:35 SUN? 18:29:38 Okay, that pun was boring 18:29:43 yes. 18:29:44 Or, well, I guess they spell it Sun 18:29:52 ehird, been sunny today, but have been busy with the course all day. Didn't test 18:30:02 Dammit :P 18:30:04 seemed to work ok close to a window though 18:30:12 what i'm reading seems to suggest that direct daylight will make it unreadable 18:30:14 at brightest level 18:30:37 ehird, possibly, anything but brightest was hard to read in direct light through window 18:31:02 brightest is fine 18:31:21 ehird, though, the window was slightly shaded 18:31:42 brightest backlight through a shaded window just barely works 18:31:43 What's AnMaster supposed to do with the sun? 18:31:43 ehird, but as I said, didn't have time to test it outside, and the sun is hidden by some hills now 18:31:46 sounds like it'll work great! 18:31:51 FireFly, install solaris on it 18:31:51 FireFly: try the display from the ThinkPads on them 18:31:57 since it's the same as the one that I want to get 18:32:03 ehird, my guess is it won't work 18:32:04 what i've read suggests it won't work well outside. 18:32:06 yeah 18:32:08 Ah 18:32:14 AnMaster: annoyingly, I found a leaked lenovo roadmap 18:32:16 "X201" 18:32:20 oh? 18:32:26 january 2010 18:32:27 what one did you plan to get 18:32:30 X200 18:32:34 X201 is coming out jan next year 18:32:35 :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD 18:32:42 ehird, too late for you? 18:32:46 i don't care about the hardware - core 2 at 2.4ghz is fine for me - 18:32:50 and i don't want to wait until then - 18:32:57 but dammit, if it has a better screen! 18:33:04 hmm 18:33:08 I hope that it uses the same connectors 18:33:12 then, I can get a replacement screen for the X201 18:33:15 and put it in my X200 18:33:48 that would be highly kickass 18:34:33 ehird, can you buy that 18:34:34 I mean 18:34:42 yes. people break displays all the time. 18:34:58 ehird, certified technicians? 18:35:06 cost. 18:35:15 I know that someone did a display replacement to one of the current X-series, that involved breaking the bezel 18:35:22 but iirc the model he replaced it with differed a bit 18:35:24 bzel? 18:35:28 bezel* 18:35:28 bezel. 18:35:30 what is that 18:35:33 but then I've read the X200 and X200s connectors differ 18:35:43 AnMaster: google it. 18:36:09 ehird, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bezel_setting ? 18:36:38 the border surrounding the screen 18:36:40 ah 18:36:59 but I'll pretty much buy it now if it'll be possible to make the screen better later, in any way 18:37:04 ehird, didn't you say you could get it with a LCD or something 18:37:12 that wasn't the normal TFT type 18:37:12 as opposed to what, a CRT? 18:37:17 you mean LED backlight. 18:37:23 that's on the X200s. though it seems not to have it any more 18:37:34 X200s = thinner, lighter, longer battery... 1.4ghz low voltage processors. 18:37:43 i don't care about the hardware - core 2 at 2.4ghz is fine for me - 18:37:46 but 18:37:49 1.4 isn't? 18:37:55 Correct. 18:38:01 Low-voltage 1.4ghz is stunningly slow. 18:38:08 ehird, ARM for the win 18:38:20 Well, it's probably about as fast or faster than 800mhz arm. 18:38:25 After all, it's dual-core. 18:38:26 ehird, anyway, what does the X200 has 18:38:30 and what will the X201 have 18:38:32 for CPU 18:38:34 Core 2 Duo 2.4ghz, normal voltage. 18:38:36 And I have no idea. 18:38:42 All I know is: X201, January 2010. 18:38:53 ehird, how do you know it will have a better display then 18:38:58 I don't! 18:39:02 I just hoped it did. 18:39:07 oh ok 18:40:09 But, as for the processor: I believe it would be annoyingly slow, I don't need the extra thinness, I only want the extra lightness a little, and I don't really need more than 9 hours of battery life, plus, I want to _upgrade_ from my current machine. 18:40:14 (since I'll be using it instead of.) 18:40:25 (20 inch to 12 inch display, woohoo) 18:40:36 ehird, that seems like a downgrade 18:40:53 It's a more powerful computer that I can use anywhere. 18:41:02 I'll just use a tiling window manager. 18:41:28 ehird, well yes, but a desktop is still nice. When doing a lot of work. 18:42:04 eh 18:42:08 ehird, where you need a large screen 18:42:09 like 18:42:10 AnMaster: it's not like old 12" 4:3 laptops that were 1280x768 18:42:11 image editing 18:42:15 I get 1280x800 pixels 18:42:16 (which you don't) 18:42:21 which is what most 13.3" inch laptops get 18:42:25 vs 12.1" 18:42:30 ehird, old 12" were 800x600 right? 18:42:31 at least 18:42:36 my first generation ibook was 18:42:42 12.1" iirc 18:42:42 Yes, well, not that old 18:42:44 and 800x600 18:43:09 ehird, I remember an old performa 18:43:26 Like 2004 onwards 18:43:29 that had like 640x480 as the highest possible mode 18:43:38 I've used a 12.1" laptop that was 1280x768; a little lighter than the one I'm getting, I think. 18:43:42 it used something less by defaulkt 18:43:45 default* 18:43:53 My not-first-but-a-bit-old 12" iBook G4 has 1024x768. 18:44:04 something like 1.4kg with the battery in 18:44:11 vs 1.6kg for the X200 with the 9-hour battery in 18:44:15 Oh, and the *really* old Toshiba Tecra CDT630 or whatever (Pentium 100) has 1024x768 in a 12" screen. 18:44:41 This is why I said yesterday that we need perfect holographic screens. 18:45:04 In a field somewhere? The base of it is 12.1" (for the full keyboard) and there is no top. Turn it on and a display appears where it should be in thin air! 18:45:05 (Even though it has only 2 MB of RAM on the graphics card, so only 16-bit color for the native 1024x768 resolution.) 18:45:08 ehird, why are you getting a system with *square* pixels? 18:45:09 ;P 18:45:25 At a desk about to edit images? Click the display icon in your task bar and select a 30" display with some resolution/ 18:45:28 s/\/$/./ 18:45:30 Bazam! 18:45:37 It appears, hovering in mid air. 18:45:42 (going off the edges of the base). 18:46:04 heh 18:46:21 ehird, how would they work 18:46:23 technically 18:46:27 Holograms! 18:46:48 ehird, yeah but I thought that was recording a 3D object in some material using laser thingy 18:46:55 or whatever 18:47:05 No, holograms are the reflective things like on money that you see if you tilt them to the light. 18:47:14 OR THEY'RE BEAMS OF 3D PEOPLE LIKE IN STAR WARS 18:47:28 ehird, don't forget Star Trek too 18:47:42 Pfft, Star Trek. It's so scientifically inaccurate. 18:47:45 No, Star Wars has it right! 18:47:59 ehird, holograms aren't usual there. But they do happen in one of the time traveling episodes iirc 18:48:00 They had a big piece of paper and if you tilted it to the sun, the person appears next to you!* 18:48:01 *lie 18:48:01 at least 18:48:24 ehird, don't remember that scene at all :P 18:48:36 the paper I mean 18:48:41 Shush, you. 18:49:15 Incidentally, on US election night last year, a bunch of cameras shot a CNN newsanchor and "beamed" it in to their studio. Except the other people in the studio didn't see shit and it was just overlaid on to the final image. 18:49:15 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hologram <-- ? 18:49:20 Not that they told you that, of course. 18:49:29 AnMaster: hologram is the usual sci-fi speak term for it 18:49:34 despite not meaning that 18:49:35 "While holography is commonly used to display static 3-D pictures, it is not yet possible to generate arbitrary scenes by a holographic volumetric display." 18:49:45 ;P 18:49:53 ehird, yeah, it kind of confuses things 18:49:53 Yeah, that wouldn't even fit in a laptop and who cares about 3D. :P 18:55:14 Anyway, add those variable-size, extremely-bright, no-reflection holographic displays and I'm satisfied with the current crop of laptops. :P 18:56:16 Hmm, the ThinkPad I saw at the refurbished laptop shop looks like a T40, circa 2003. 18:56:37 The nipple mouse wasn't very fast and its buttons felt more like keys. 18:56:49 With some setting tweaking and more shiny-newness it'd be fine, I imagine. 18:56:59 AnMaster: are the buttons still more like keys, btw? 18:57:04 not for the touchpad, those feel like buttons 18:57:20 -!- GregorR-L has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 18:57:36 ehird, which buttons 18:57:42 The nipple mouse buttons. 18:57:50 ehird, they are button like 18:57:54 rather than key-like 18:58:07 good 18:58:13 ehird, why? 18:58:16 key like would be cool 18:58:22 sounds like it, but no 18:58:31 you have to push it hard to get much response, and double clicking is a pain 18:58:42 since the pressing/depressing of keys is slower and smoother than a button 18:58:49 hmm, can't have been a T40, it didn't have a touchpad 18:59:10 ah, probably the X40 18:59:25 ehird, pressing hard? eh? 18:59:35 AnMaster: as in, to fully depress the key 18:59:39 hm ok 18:59:45 think about it, keys have a lot more pushing before they click down than a button 18:59:49 and the same for going up 18:59:58 so clicking and especially double clicking is a pain 19:00:12 plus, there's less of a tactile *click* than a button 19:00:21 ehird, for a model M certainly 19:00:27 but for a laptop keyboard? nah 19:00:37 AnMaster: I've used one, you havent 19:00:38 more than a button yes 19:00:40 *haven't 19:00:44 but not a LOT 19:00:46 admittedly for a minute or two, but no 19:00:50 the key-like buttons were the devil 19:00:53 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 19:00:55 ehird, what laptop had that 19:01:00 X40, at least. 19:01:05 hm 19:01:49 I want a W700ds for the ridiculosity. It has a 17" display, a retractable side 10" display, a "digitizer" tablet, you can give it a RAID array, ... 19:01:55 I wonder how much that thing ways; prolly about a ton. 19:01:59 Battery life of 30 seconds! 19:02:44 "a retractable side 10" display" 19:02:44 eh? 19:02:51 ehird, picture 19:02:57 and, where is the battery life listed 19:03:03 http://www.handingchao.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/lenovo-thinkpad-w700ds.jpg 19:03:14 Also, I don't think they do; probably for the best. 19:03:18 It only comes with a 9-cell, obviously. 19:03:37 And yes, that IS a number pad. 19:03:41 ehird, what is the side 9" one for? 19:03:46 10" 19:03:50 err 19:03:51 yeah 19:03:51 And for, you know, extra stuff. 19:03:55 Photoshop windows? 19:03:59 Like, toolset things. 19:04:02 ehird, why not a full 17" one? 19:04:06 ON EACH SIDE 19:04:13 Sort of wouldn't fit in anything. 19:04:21 ehird, thick screen? 19:04:33 to fit in the three extra 17" displays 19:04:39 AnMaster: Why not propose it to them? 19:04:41 (yes, each side = at the top too 19:04:42 ) 19:04:47 AND THE BOTTOM 19:04:58 * ehird switches to the US site to get the highest-end options on the W700ds 19:05:03 Time to TRICK THIS THING THE FUCK OUT. 19:05:06 ehird, well, since that is a notebook and not a laptop 19:05:08 I guess that is ok 19:05:20 I have a new notebook. 19:05:25 You know those PCs that went on their side? 19:05:25 ehird, oh? 19:05:30 hah 19:05:35 Weld a monitor, keyboard and mouse to one of them. 19:05:42 FUCK YEAH. 19:05:52 ehird, you mean like a desktop? 19:05:52 (Keyboard goes on top, monitor behind keyboard.) 19:05:54 at the base 19:05:56 Yes! 19:05:59 The side-desktops. 19:06:17 Often found in schools 19:06:18 ehird, well, technically the upright desktops are "towers" iirc 19:06:21 Yes. 19:06:29 Anyway, it would be amazing. 19:06:31 ly stupid. 19:06:40 ehird, oh those in the uni are side desktops, but mounted vertically 19:06:49 xD 19:06:51 in "cages" under the desktop 19:06:52 desk* 19:06:55 if you see what I mean 19:06:59 well not cage reallyt 19:07:00 really* 19:07:04 but kind of similar 19:07:05 Like a server rack? 19:07:06 \ 19:07:09 s/that line/nothing 19:07:11 / 19:07:16 -!- sebbu has quit (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)). 19:07:38 Wow, it comes with a Nvidia Quadro. 19:07:49 ehird, no, more like a tray made out of something similar to the metal bags you sometimes see at the front of bicycles 19:07:52 whatever those are called 19:07:52 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 19:07:58 bag is wrong word 19:08:38 ehird, they aren't rack mounted as such 19:08:46 ehird, oh and most had HUGE displays 19:08:59 I think they're just called racks like the ones on the back 19:09:04 ehird, the ones in the library had at least 26" I think 19:09:07 possibly 30" 19:09:18 ehird, and in the computer rooms? Pretty much the same 19:09:43 http://pastie.org/588787.txt?key=o0r1ib5cmi58ln8yr5qhw All specs maxed out apart from OS/software 19:09:47 costing... 19:09:51 $6,219 19:09:52 Deewiant, hm? it wasn't like, you know,secured to the "rack" by screws or anything 19:10:04 That is, 44857 SEK. 19:10:13 Microsoft Windows XP Professional US English RDVD 19:10:14 err what 19:10:19 with 8 GB RAM? 19:10:25 you need 64 bit windows for it 19:10:44 It still works without it. 19:10:45 It's got both Vista and XP there 19:10:46 You just can't access the rest. 19:10:48 Ultranav + Fingerprint Reader + Pantone Color Sensor + WACOM Digitizer 19:10:48 Don't ask me why 19:10:50 whoo what? 19:10:52 :D 19:10:52 Deewiant: yeah, the XP is a downgrade CD 19:11:00 AnMaster: Which bit is what? 19:11:06 ehird, colour sensor 19:11:09 THAT bit 19:11:14 AnMaster: For automatic calibration. 19:11:29 It also has a WACOM Digitizer; it's obviously aimed at serious image work. 19:11:36 (= tablet, basically, from what I gather) 19:11:38 ehird, oh, it isn't like a built in scanner to check colour of printed things? 19:11:44 ehird, is it built in or? 19:11:45 all these 19:11:47 No... Yes... 19:11:50 (respectively) 19:11:53 ah 19:12:11 ehird, you don't need fucking RAID for image editing. Video editing, sure 19:12:12 but 19:12:23 "Intel Turbo Memory 2GB" 19:12:24 what is that 19:12:30 Dedicated harddrive cache 19:12:35 AnMaster: there aren't any >320GB laptop drives 19:12:36 well 19:12:36 ehird, err ok.... 19:12:37 there are now 19:12:40 but only since like a month or two ago 19:12:43 ah 19:12:52 AnMaster: you can RAID-1 them too 19:12:53 serious work, remember 19:13:10 ehird, oh btw, I looked at those express card/PC-card slots on my laptop 19:13:14 they have different connectors 19:13:23 so one is express card I think 19:13:26 the other I don't know 19:13:29 possibly PC-card 19:13:57 the top one internally has a non-rectangular shape 19:13:57 funny thing 19:14:06 as in, it is more narrow near the inner end 19:14:18 in MFC3 header files there are #ifdef _MAC thingys 19:14:32 as if they tried to port it to mac OS 19:14:41 ehird, how hot does that run I wonder 19:14:55 fucking amazingly hot I bet 19:15:01 AnMaster: If you don't want babies, why not completely remove your testicles? 19:15:03 With HEAT! 19:15:38 ehird: i accidentaly tried 19:15:44 nothing funny 19:16:04 nooga has the ability to pass on his genes? 19:16:05 shiiiiiiiiit 19:17:14 sure 19:17:37 i'd like to flood GB with my siblings 19:17:54 that's ok, I want to leave this country at the nearest opportunity 19:18:06 wait 19:18:09 i used wrong word 19:18:10 uh 19:18:19 offspring. 19:18:35 yea 19:19:22 Misread that as "flood GB with my syphilis". 19:19:26 ehird, I know how to fix the display issue 19:19:32 Orally? 19:19:35 I mean, o rly? 19:19:39 insanely high res display in your glasses 19:19:45 displays* 19:19:50 GregorR has that. 19:19:56 Myvu Crystal; 640x480 in less than an inch. 19:20:00 ehird, only for one eye iirc? 19:20:12 AnMaster: No, the actual glasses are black and have two of them, I think 19:20:16 to cover your whole vision 19:20:20 but he took out just one display 19:20:24 to use without them 19:20:30 AnMaster: What I really want is OLED visors. 19:20:42 ehird, sounds cool 19:20:42 (OLED because it's super-light, bendable (so you can make the visors curved properly), and can be transparent.) 19:21:03 But the colours aren't too good on transparent OLEDs, and they're still at trade-show level. 19:21:09 ehird, best would be if you could do both "hide real view" display 19:21:10 Still, not too long to go. 19:21:17 AnMaster: Just cover the whole screen with pixels 19:21:18 and "overlay on normal view" display 19:21:20 ehird, ^ 19:21:26 both modes should exist 19:21:27 ...WTF 19:21:29 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=773108 19:21:31 because both are cool 19:21:35 Why just deleted his whole online prescence 19:21:51 Why, why? Why? 19:22:06 ouch 19:22:48 ...and this is where the complete unknowing we have of anything about him comes in. 19:22:55 Wonder if he's suicidal. 19:23:08 ehird, I guess there is always waybackmachine 19:23:11 for the guide thingy 19:23:24 (Apparently one of his last twatresults (better than "tweet") was "programming is rather thankless. u see your works become replaced by superior ones in a year. unable to run at all in a few more".) 19:23:33 (Although that "u" is rather un-whylike; maybe it totals 140 chars.) 19:23:43 AnMaster: All his stuff will be around; I'm worried about the guy 19:23:51 ehird, maybe someone hacked his computer 19:23:56 and took over his accounts 19:23:59 or something like that 19:24:09 stop pulling at straws, he obviously did this 19:24:20 -!- kar8nga has quit (Connection timed out). 19:24:26 oh, the tweet was "programming is rather thankless. you see your works become replaced by superior works in a year. unable to run at all in a few more." 19:24:33 but someone retweeting made it "u" due to the "RT @_why" taking up space. 19:24:36 *@_why: 19:24:45 ah 19:24:56 ("if you program and want longevity, make a game. all else recycles, but people rewrite architectures to keep games alive") 19:25:03 (maybe he's now working for EA and they want him to shut up :P) 19:25:10 ("if you program and want longevity, make a game. all else recycles, but people rewrite architectures to keep games alive") 19:25:12 ouch 19:25:13 yeah 19:25:21 * AnMaster remembers zsnes 19:25:25 and various other ones 19:25:35 zsnes still exists. :) 19:25:41 ehird, I didn't say it didn't 19:25:45 well, right 19:25:59 emulators are nice 19:26:08 ehird, anyway he does have a point, games do last longer than most apps 19:26:19 he absolutely has a point, I just hope it isn't connected 19:26:52 ehird, though, I think NOT programming a game ensures even greater longevity! 19:26:56 and there is a good example of it 19:26:58 DNF 19:27:03 DNF died 19:27:08 because 3d realms died 19:27:12 ehird, when? 19:27:12 very recently 19:27:15 ah 19:27:16 I see 19:27:20 few months ago 19:27:25 the project is officially over 19:27:29 ehird, very well.... they managed it for quite a while 19:27:43 I saw the longest, latest preview; it looked great 19:27:46 a shame 19:27:54 though nobody will buy the project for obvious reasons 19:28:01 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 19:28:25 "It was reported on May 14, 2009 that Take-Two, holders of the publishing rights of Duke Nukem Forever, filed a breach of contract suit against Apogee Software Ltd (3D Realms) over failing to deliver the aforementioned title." 19:28:27 aka 19:28:37 "Fuck you guys. Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck you guys. Just give us the damn game already." 19:28:38 "With the termination of the development team by 3D Realms in May 2009, production on Duke Nukem Forever has been halted. Again. Although Take-Two still owns the publishing rights to the game, they do not have an agreement with 3D Realms to provide funding for the game's continued development.[7] A lawsuit has been filed by Take-Two Interactive against 3D Realms over their failure to finish developmen 19:28:39 t of the game.[8]" 19:28:42 Yeah. :D 19:31:47 -!- andi___ has quit (Success). 19:37:44 ehird, so in theory there is still a slim hope 19:37:54 Yes. 19:56:41 Anyway, Mario has lasted longer. 19:57:11 -!- Sgeo has joined. 19:58:49 ehird, true 19:58:58 ehird, but the original mario game? Not sure about that 19:59:02 yes, it has 19:59:06 People still play and enjoy it 19:59:08 ehird, hm maybe 19:59:09 especially speedruns 19:59:17 fair enough 19:59:26 AnMaster: I'm not counting Donkey Kong, though that's still quite popular too 19:59:42 well, that was Jumpman, technically 19:59:45 ehird, oh? which one would you consider the original then 19:59:56 In order to be a M-- yeah, no Jumpman. 20:00:02 GregorR: donkey kong junior 20:00:14 AnMaster: Super Mario Bros is the first Mario platformer, which is what I was counting 20:00:18 but Mario Bros probably counts too 20:00:35 Only two years difference, anyway 20:00:59 AnMaster: but Super Mario World, too 20:01:07 1990/1992 to present, still alive and well 20:01:16 what was Mario Bros if not a platformer? 20:01:17 and people still make rom hacks 20:01:19 I don't remember 20:01:25 arcade style 20:01:29 only one, non-scrolling level 20:01:29 ah 20:01:37 no goal as such 20:01:48 ehird, so what did you try to do in that game? 20:01:59 Kill enemies and collect coins until you die. 20:02:02 ah 20:02:23 It's amusing for about seven minutes 20:02:47 Kill enemies and collect coins until you die. // this is pretty much my slogan for living. 20:03:01 Pacifism: Collect coins until you die. 20:03:06 Nihilism: until you die. 20:03:13 Emo...ism: Die. 20:03:23 GregorR: Kill enemies and collect coins until you die. // this is pretty much my slogan for living. // good one 20:03:31 Psychoism: Kill enemies until you die. 20:03:54 Christianity: Kill enemies until you die, then collect coins. 20:04:06 Judaism: Collect coins until you die, then kill enemies. 20:04:12 Buddhism: Die until you die. 20:04:39 ;D 20:04:49 Beingjesusism: Die, then forty and a few days later, die. 20:05:00 GregorR: Kill enemies and collect coins until you die. // this is pretty much my slogan for living. // good one /* Agreed */ 20:05:17 [20:05] AnMaster: GregorR: Kill enemies and collect coins until you die. // this is pretty much my slogan for living. // good one /* Agreed */ / k owns, did i mention 20:05:23 That sounds like Mario 20:05:31 Oh wait, it is 20:05:33 Yes. :P 20:05:48 [20:05] AnMaster: GregorR: Kill enemies and collect coins until you die. // this is pretty much my slogan for living. // good one /* Agreed */ / k owns, did i mention %% stop hijacking the line for your own nefarious purposes! 20:05:58 Super Mario Bros: Kill enemies, collect coins and pander to the sadistic tendencies of the game designer until you either die or rescue the princess. 20:06:23 only to find taht princess is kidnapped again 20:06:27 Super Mario Galaxy: GRAVITY DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY 20:06:43 The last Mario I played was Mario VIP 20:06:54 bu-n (^w^) 20:07:30 ehird: i like why's ruby booker 20:07:34 are there any super mario world hacks that are impossible to play without tool-assisted speedrunning, due to human response times? 20:07:43 oklopol: then tell why to start existing again! 20:07:44 just the kinda insanity that's not annoying 20:07:46 just the kinda insanity that's not annoying 20:07:48 *kind of 20:07:53 *-repetitino 20:07:54 just the kinda insanity that's not annoying 20:07:55 just the kinda insanity that's not annoying 20:07:55 ... 20:07:56 What about BATTLETOADS 20:07:57 *repetition 20:08:01 repe titty ino 20:11:00 OBAMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA 20:11:02 O O O BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA 20:11:04 what 20:11:17 i think my sleep dep hasn't worn off yet, despite like 12 hrs sleep :) 20:21:30 -!- asiekierka has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 20:38:23 -!- M0ny has joined. 20:43:11 -!- M0ny has quit (Client Quit). 20:49:28 BOMA 20:54:53 goddamnt 20:54:59 why is my internet connection so slow 21:00:10 i'm barely even torrenting right now 21:02:13 what kind 21:06:56 * Ping reply from bsmntbombdood: 0.64 second(s) 21:06:58 seems fine? 21:07:08 latency at least 21:07:12 how is that fine? 21:07:14 that's horrid 21:07:17 err 21:07:18 what 21:07:32 bsmntbombdood, about 0.2 of those are on my side 21:07:37 also 21:07:40 that is reply 21:07:41 so 21:07:48 nooga is 0.44 21:07:55 it is about 0.32 21:07:56 64 bytes from google.com (74.125.127.100): icmp_seq=1 ttl=52 time=589 ms 21:07:57 one way 21:07:59 Asztal is 0.79 21:08:03 and my lag is about 0.1 one way 21:08:09 bsmntbombdood, yeah and? 21:08:10 AnMaster: 5x slower than here 21:08:21 ehird, hm? 21:08:24 er 21:08:24 bsmntbombdood: 21:08:28 AnMaster: your client doesn't respond to pings, fix that. 21:08:40 ehird, I block all CTCP 21:08:43 * Ping reply from oklopol: 1250661266.18 second(s) 21:08:45 except from special people 21:08:45 yet you send it? 21:08:47 like GregorR 21:08:49 Pretty sure that violates the spec. 21:08:51 GregorR: old 21:08:56 GregorR: you're a special person! 21:08:57 ehird, what spec? ;P 21:09:00 AnMaster: CTCP. 21:09:15 * ehird considers flooding AnMaster with CTCP requestsj 21:09:17 s/j$// 21:09:18 `calc 1250661266.18 seconds in years 21:09:19 1 250 661 266.18 seconds = 39.6319105 years 21:09:27 That's some sucky latency. 21:09:35 ehird, most clients can't handle multiple requests CTCP requests per line either 21:09:35 yet 21:09:38 the specs allows it 21:09:49 what was your point now again? 21:09:53 * Ping reply from ehird: 0.78 second(s) 21:09:59 AnMaster: so, let me get this straight 21:10:02 * ehird your client blocks this? 21:10:11 ehird, nop, I allow ACTION 21:10:18 I see. 21:10:18 nope* 21:10:31 ehird, I do this to avoid CTCP floods 21:10:50 Which are more deadly than regular floods, because of magic. 21:11:04 ehird, because they trigger automatic replies yes 21:11:37 Multiple versions on a line could be useful 21:11:41 assuming multiple clients are CTCP spamming you, your client's sending queue will fill up pretty quickly 21:11:43 VERSION requests, that is 21:12:09 FireFly, see the "spec" for what this actually means 21:12:20 all have the same target 21:12:25 so not useful at all 21:12:34 Well, useful for crashing someone, that is 21:12:39 Or, quitting someone 21:12:54 I've read the spec once... was a while, though 21:13:05 FireFly, except, the number of clients implementing it is less than 0.000001% or so 21:13:05 ago* 21:13:17 or at least less than 0.01% 21:13:23 yeah, since it's potentially dangerous for crashing the user 21:13:33 s/crashing/causing to quit/ 21:14:01 0.000001%? So there are at least 100,000,000 clients. 21:14:43 I'm not sure it's entirely useless... ACTION ponders. 21:14:52 -!- puzzlet_ has joined. 21:15:18 ehird, yeah I corrected that above 21:15:35 -!- puzzlet has quit (Remote closed the connection). 21:15:38 Asztal, yet, no one implements it 21:15:42 well 21:15:46 almost no one 21:15:50 chatzilla. 21:15:50 so useless in practise 21:15:54 ehird, really ? 21:16:12 iirc, yes. 21:16:14 ehird: it turned out that they didn't actually support it, they just stopped dropping the whole message 21:16:25 heh 21:20:21 http://www.youtube.com/user/whytheluckystiff and http://vimeo.com/why still exist 21:20:32 though they're both dead 21:23:32 [[Just noticed that the server (72.232.19.34) is still running. But its refusing connections on HTTP. Only ssh and postgres(!) ports are open.]] 21:23:43 not email then 21:24:05 -!- ehird has set topic: RIP chunky bacon 2005—2009 http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D. 21:24:54 ? 21:25:06 GregorR: Why the lucky stiff deleted all his online accounts and sites today. 21:25:23 (author of why's (poignant) guide to ruby and a whole bunch of other awesome LSD-tinged stuff) 21:25:34 as of yet, nobody knows why in the slightest 21:25:46 but nobody really knows anything about the man, so nobody can try and find him 21:26:22 ! 21:27:56 I'm amused by the level of outcry in such a short time 21:27:59 He's become Amish. 21:28:15 Deewiant: how's that amusing 21:28:32 he's an international treasure, of course people care what's up with him 21:30:08 It reminds me of celebrity news 21:31:42 Deewiant: Yes, people caring about other people uncharacteristically disappearing after saying things about what they do being thankless are all gossip-crazy 21:31:46 Why don't we all become sociopaths 21:32:04 yeah, if madonna suddently disappeared from the face of the earth, that totally wouldn't make anything but celeb news 21:32:21 (madonna because i just saw madonna's pic, probably) 21:32:29 (he was in the celeb news) 21:32:36 err she 21:32:45 god i hate your pronouns 21:33:04 He's been the secretive type anyway: nobody knows his /name/ 21:33:44 Deewiant: "He's pseudonymous and doesn't reveal things about his personal life; therefore, to care about the man after him totally disappearing after the aforementioned tweet is gossip" 21:33:47 Wikipedia seems to. 21:34:04 GregorR: it's wrong 21:34:11 Sweet :P 21:34:18 the source is a wordpress blog that uses hostnames to establish it - 21:34:21 http://whoiswhytheluckystiff.wordpress.com/ 21:34:29 and http://twitter.com/jgillette 21:34:39 is the person in the right place, etc, who twat "hmm so who is _why the lucky stiff and why do people suddenly thing he's me?" 21:34:42 in conclusion, bull 21:34:54 ehird: I didn't say caring about the man is gossip 21:35:10 So, telling people about it is gossip? 21:35:40 Hundreds of people's speculations about what happened is gossip 21:36:28 I haven't read much speculation. 21:36:36 Only the exceedingly obvious guesses. 21:36:57 He died! And his last action was to ... take down all his web sites? :P 21:37:35 dead man's switches exist 21:37:40 He joined the French Foreign Legion! And decided that so long as he's out there his web pages shouldn't exist. 21:37:42 but i find that unlikely 21:38:05 GregorR: i'm starting to see a pattern 21:38:08 He's left the internet to don a fox suit and have sexual intercourse with layers upon layers of chunky bacon! 21:38:17 He's taking a break... to become a SHE! 21:38:25 Why the lucky stiff! 21:38:28 (Hahahahaha I hope that last one is true) 21:38:39 GregorR: That's why the lucky stiffETTE to YOU. 21:38:48 "Stiffette" X-D 21:42:51 ehird, fun thing: even on my laptop, with intel cpu, gcc manages way better than icc at cfunge 21:42:51 one guess at cause: 21:42:52 icc generates code to verify CPU is the correct one 21:43:04 thus, some overhead for short-running programs 21:43:08 -!- andi has joined. 21:43:36 -!- andi has changed nick to Guest89116. 21:44:25 -!- ais523 has joined. 21:45:23 hi ais523 21:45:45 LAWL 21:45:55 my retarded sister thinks she's a model 21:46:11 http://www.maxmodels.pl/freyaah.html lol'd hardly 21:46:13 ais523, hellp 21:46:15 hello* 21:46:21 XD 21:47:14 -!- MigoMipo has quit ("QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server"). 21:48:32 AnMaster: what do you need hellp with? 21:48:34 and hi 21:48:36 and hi ehird, too 21:48:43 ais523, spelling clearly 21:48:55 fair enough, p for o is a common typo 21:48:59 wow, an actually good AnMaster joke 21:49:20 ehird, you said that a few times before 21:49:30 you say it on average one time / three months 21:49:30 yes, they're rare occasions 21:49:39 *occurrences 21:49:43 ehird, IN YOUR OPINION! 21:49:44 ;P 21:49:53 I cast lvl 74 objectivity. 21:49:53 (yes I'm making a parody there) 21:50:03 You use your misreading skills to take it as objectivism. 21:50:11 You exploit me for your own capitalistic tendencies. 21:50:16 hah 21:50:17 The free market collapses. 21:50:25 * AnMaster is reading intel docs 21:50:29 You realise your horrible, horrible mistake and cry yourself to sleep. 21:50:34 wtf is with why ? 21:50:40 The next day, you jump off a bridge into a state-provided trampoline. 21:50:44 Only then do you realise you made no mistakes. 21:50:47 they are way way harder to read than amd docs 21:50:48 is that because he's identity was revealed? 21:50:52 You start a state of free market capitalism. 21:50:54 nooga: no, because it wasn't. 21:50:58 his* 21:51:08 uh, what? 21:51:14 ehird, remember I'm a socialist! 21:51:18 nooga is a gullible idiot, discuss 21:51:41 ehird, define that word first ;P 21:51:46 -!- ehird has left (?). 21:51:52 -!- ehird has joined. 21:51:53 oops 21:51:54 anyway 21:51:58 nooga is a gullible idiot, discuss 21:51:59 ehird, define that word first ;P 21:52:00 there 21:52:00 http://whoiswhytheluckystiff.wordpress.com/ 21:52:01 → 21:52:03 http://jonathangillette.net/ 21:52:05 http://twitter.com/jgillette 21:52:07 same place 21:52:09 that's because language barrier you twat 21:52:11 not the same person 21:52:17 + 21:52:20 people who know why's real name 21:52:24 confirm that that's not it 21:52:27 okay 21:52:37 then why why is gone? 21:52:49 I don't know, I'll ask my crystal ball. 21:52:57 Oh wait, it's a Magic 8 one. 21:53:05 "Ask again later". 21:53:10 ehird: CRACK IT OPEN AND DRINK THE BLUE FLUID INSIDE 21:53:14 ;D 21:53:17 GregorR: DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDE 21:53:22 How do you get ideas so AWESOME 21:53:33 um 21:53:34 Ask it if you should first :P 21:53:36 i bet it's tasty 21:54:20 http://whoiswhytheluckystiff.wordpress.com/ <-- doesn't prove it. More than one people can exist on a single mail server. 21:54:20 GregorR: "VERY SUPER EXTRA YES" 21:54:31 AnMaster: WHY CAN'T YOU READ MORE THAN ONE LINE AT A TIME 21:54:33 FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK YOU >_< 21:54:41 hi i jonathan gillete and my mission is to shave! 21:54:45 i'm* 21:54:49 AnMaster: But fyi, both USERNAMES were "why". 21:54:54 hm 21:54:56 NEVERTHELESS, not him. 21:55:01 See the lines after which you ignored. 21:55:04 weird 21:55:13 nooga: using same computer, duh 21:55:24 -!- pingveno has joined. 21:55:27 ehird, you mean 21:55:27 or sth 21:55:29 people who know why's real name 21:55:29 confirm that that's not it 21:55:29 well 21:55:30 yeah 21:55:35 oh yea 21:55:35 AnMaster: Also the ones after → 21:55:40 hi pingveno 21:55:44 ehird, I don't believe them 21:55:53 ehird, well, why should they not try to say it isn't 21:55:58 Hi 21:56:04 AnMaster: what? 21:56:22 AnMaster: The person who sent that email *is not him*. 21:56:22 confirm that that's not it 21:56:27 He does not look like him. 21:56:28 oh 21:56:34 ehird, so the email was a fake? 21:56:37 in both places? 21:56:37 .......... 21:56:43 Ignoring the fact that you're an idiot, 21:56:51 yes, there are multiple people who know why's name 21:56:59 ehird, of course 21:56:59 and no, jonathan gillette isn't it 21:57:01 I didn't say that 21:57:14 -!- Sgeo_ has joined. 21:57:20 ehird, indeed. 21:57:28 ehird, why are you trying to confuse things here. 21:57:29 bbl 21:57:31 ........ 21:57:36 How on earth am I doing that? 21:57:40 -!- pingveno has changed nick to Alevar. 21:58:57 Does Alevar or Adevar sound better? 21:59:08 ehird: how do you type that arrows? 21:59:27 some pref file. 21:59:31 Alevar: Alevar. 21:59:33 a 21:59:35 Alevar: who're you, anyway? 21:59:49 A friend of Gregor. 22:00:05 Alevar: I prefer Alevar, I think 22:00:17 nooga: → is altgr-i on this computer 22:00:35 ←ow→ 22:00:41 -!- Sgeo_ has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 22:00:48 brb 22:01:03 altgr? 22:01:04 -!- Sgeo_ has joined. 22:01:04 ;p 22:01:26 nooga, stop using a US keyboard? 22:01:35 it is AltGr-i here too → 22:01:40 ←↓→↑ 22:01:41 beh 22:01:53 i have only alt ;p 22:01:58 µ® 22:02:04 nooga, left alt and right alt? 22:02:05 and apple 22:02:16 nooga, oh mac. no clue 22:02:18 yea 22:02:41 über üncool 22:02:52 ∂.∂ 22:02:53 There's the yui = ←↓→, U = ↑ thing; that's about the only mapped-to-alphabetical special I can remember, in addition to µ. 22:03:44 ∆ 22:04:21 ∆∂ = ∆v • k 22:04:23 ;D 22:04:45 fizzie, ĸ is on k btw 22:04:54 why is & on K? 22:05:01 & is on Shift-6 too 22:05:02 duh 22:05:07 … 22:05:12 § 22:05:18 is that your shift-6? 22:05:28 Well § is on the key before 1 22:05:29 like 22:05:31 a≠b 22:05:32 §1234567890 22:05:56 ⌠ 22:05:58 ⎮ 22:06:00 ⌡ 22:06:24 Q is Ω 22:06:31 nooga ∉ IDIOTS 22:06:46 √ 22:06:54 Yes, but the ĸ in k is the useless ĸ; it's U+0138 "latin small letter kra (Greenlandic, old orthography)" and not the greek small letter kappa, κ, which at least has some use. 22:08:07 Admittedly it makes some sense that the keymap's latin-oriented and doesn't try to fit random Greek (or the Cyrillic ka, к) in there since it wouldn't be a good set anyway. 22:08:17 µ's sort of special since it's in latin-1. 22:09:20 And indeed the µ generated by alt-gr m here is the latin-1 U+00B5 "micro sign" and not the greek letter mu. 22:09:42 fizzie, I thought those µ where the same? 22:10:08 No, the greek small letter mu is U+03BC. They do *look* the same, though. 22:10:54 They're the same the same way that a and а are the same 22:10:59 Unlike the greek capital sigma Σ and the n-ary summation operator ∑, which tend to look different. 22:11:08 Namely, they probably look identical in all fonts 22:11:15 -!- coppro has joined. 22:11:17 Deewiant, what were those two a? 22:11:24 +that you're likely to be using on IRC 22:11:33 I'm guessing latin and cyrillic a's. 22:11:35 I somehow managed to press enter without completing my thought 22:11:39 (Without checking.) 22:12:06 fizzie, sum and sigma do differ 22:12:08 .. 22:12:10 in this fonr 22:12:11 font* 22:12:31 .. 22:13:40 They *were* the latin and cyrillic small letters a; do I win something? 22:14:26 Not from me, at least :-P 22:15:16 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 22:15:24 There are no other typically-identical-looking alphabets in Unicode that I'm aware of 22:17:20 I don't think there are other exactly a-looking characters, no. There's the fullwidth latin small a, a, but that looks a bit different here. 22:17:30 And a lot different in the monospaced IRC font. 22:17:33 Ironically, it looks about halfsize here 22:17:42 (Both width and height) 22:18:24 I also don't have the necessary fonts to see the non-BMP lycian/carian/old italic/osmanya/lydian/kharoshthi letters a. 22:19:06 None look anything like a. 22:19:57 The carian and old italic look mainly like A, the others have unobvious similarities 22:20:39 Aw. Well, not too surprising. 22:22:15 -!- Sgeo_ has quit (Connection timed out). 22:23:42 -!- olsner has joined. 22:34:24 -!- Sneezle has joined. 22:42:34 -!- Alevar has quit (Remote closed the connection). 22:50:29 -!- comex has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 23:02:29 http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-10313064-93.html / lol wut 23:04:26 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Remote closed the connection). 23:05:04 -!- FireFly has quit ("Later"). 23:06:04 -!- coppro has quit (Remote closed the connection). 23:06:34 " wait, what??? did I miss a few years of tech?" // my thoughts exactly 23:07:38 ... Wait, what‽ 23:07:41 GregorR: I wish it actually changed the paper instead of being a lameo screen 23:07:50 "The battery lasts for about 65 to 70 minutes, and can be recharged, believe it or not, with a mini USB cord--there's a jack on the back of it." 23:08:12 I hope it turns on when it detects you flicked page to it 23:08:35 I hope it's easy to hack. 23:09:13 As do I 23:09:27 infiltrate distribution center, put porn on all of them 23:09:28 ??? 23:09:28 profit 23:09:47 Who needs profit when you've got porn? 23:10:08 I thought the basis of economy was the obtaining of porn? 23:10:16 (and thus, with porn one needs no profit) 23:10:23 Porn is our fiat money. 23:10:39 pikhq: You just revealed the source of the economic meltdown! 23:10:43 FREE PORN SITES. 23:10:49 ZOMG 23:10:51 *dun dun DUUUUUUUUUUUUN* 23:10:57 Quick, Ayn Rand! 23:10:58 Save us! 23:11:10 OH GOD YOU JUST MADE THE PHRASE "AYN RAND PORN" JUMP INTO MY HEAD 23:11:13 :D 23:11:19 GregorR: They were ANGULAR. 23:11:22 And they RAPED each other. 23:11:23 ehird: Ayn Rand's principles would make things worse. 23:11:29 And ENJOYED it, ANGULARLY. 23:11:31 pikhq: No shit :P 23:11:34 MY PENIS JUST CLIMBED INTO MY BODY AND SAYS HE WON'T COME OUT AGAIN 23:11:40 :D 23:11:42 NO MORE COPYRIGHT!!! -> MOAR FREE PORN! 23:11:46 You're like rabbits and stuff! 23:11:49 GregorR: AAAGH 23:11:53 DON'T ASK ME HOW I KNOW ABOUT RABBIT PENISES 23:12:00 pikhq: Ayn Rand wasn't against copyright per se 23:12:03 ehird: FURRY 23:12:05 just every law apart from, like, property 23:12:20 Ah, right. 23:12:26 Ayn Rand was *that* sort of crazy. 23:12:32 GregorR: also, how do you know your penis' gender? 23:12:45 We have conversations. 23:12:53 He's very friendly! 23:12:55 could be lying. 23:13:06 check to see if it has a penis or a vagina 23:13:07 wtf has happened to this channel? 23:13:07 He has a penis. 23:13:10 It is himself. 23:13:12 ehird: What kind of dick has a vagina? 23:13:16 * ehird 's mind boggles 23:13:18 ais523: HI 23:13:19 I look away for a few minutes, I look back, and see this... 23:13:23 ais523: What, penises? 23:13:23 hi GregorR 23:13:40 ehird: well, it isn't esolangs 23:13:49 ais523: Yes, that's normal. 23:13:54 What's ODD about it? 23:14:15 because, I'm sure there's a #randomcrap on Freenode, or a channel to that extent 23:14:28 -!- oerjan has joined. 23:14:32 but really, making every channel the same topic is ridiculous 23:14:32 Oh, another "why don't we cut 90% of the channel's discussion" tirade. 23:14:34 Thank you, ais523. 23:14:42 ais523: channels are communities, not topics 23:14:47 ais523: THERE IS NOW 23:14:49 unless they're really big 23:14:56 the topic's what creates the community, though 23:15:12 Yes, and esolangs created his community 23:15:17 We're very esolang people. 23:15:18 *this 23:15:25 We even discuss them when there's anything to discuss about them. 23:18:56 but really, making every channel the same topic is ridiculous <-- wait, is every channel about chunky bacon now? 23:19:24 oerjan: Logread :P 23:19:27 oerjan just won a web. 23:19:31 (which you presumably are.) 23:20:20 I just found the best blogspam ever 23:20:27 http://www.macrumors.com/2009/08/18/analyst-apple-to-sell-80-million-iphones-in-2012-snag-5-7-of-total-mobile-phone-market/ "Apple to sell 80 million iPhones" 23:20:28 becomes 23:20:31 http://iphoneusernews.com/?p=1022 23:20:36 896 billion iPhones to be sold in 2012 23:20:46 HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN 23:21:35 god i hate your pronouns 23:21:44 well, she has legs like a man, anyway 23:22:04 oerjan is an expert on legs 23:22:15 HE HAS SEEN MANY LEGS, MOSTLY MEN 23:24:20 ehird: well with the singularity in 2012, obviously things will grow superexponentially until they are obsolete 23:24:33 yessir 23:24:47 Bit optimistic timing :P 23:25:02 (that yessir did _not_ refer to legs in any way, btw) 23:25:10 http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/9c0gf/clojure_the_zombiereanimated_corpse_of_lisp/c0c7f1d 23:25:20 The Loper OS guy is actually buying a real new Lisp Machine from Symbolics! 23:25:37 The 70 pound ye olde machine. 23:25:52 760 MB of ESDI disk! 4 megawords of memory! 23:25:57 "new"? i thought they were all old ones from storage? 23:26:03 oerjan: But never used. 23:26:19 It'll cost him $675, it seems. 23:26:36 Or more, if he's getting a better model than the base. 23:26:47 i guess a lisp machine is a certain kind of geek's equivalent of a cadillac 23:26:50 well, looks like he's already bought it, just going to pick it up 23:27:08 oerjan: it's more like rickshaws being ubiquitous, and going to pick up a Model T 23:27:15 in 2009 23:27:23 rickshaws? 23:27:28 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rickshaw 23:27:37 i know what a rickshaw is 23:28:04 lisp machines are dated technology, but their concepts are much, much better than modern machines 23:28:28 ah. 23:29:12 were he of the more rich type, he could buy a $3,500 XL1201 23:29:39 which would come with 8 megawords (40MB) of RAM, a 9GB SCSI (zomg, technology that's actually still used) disk, and a 19" monochrome display. 23:29:56 if i implement IPC, task schleduling and distributed filesystem in a program that can run on multiple machines at the same time but in user space and communicates via network... can i call it distributed operating system ? 23:29:58 (among other stuff) 23:30:03 nooga: no. 23:30:06 call it Squeak 23:30:15 yea, there are such things 23:30:16 sure 23:30:21 squeak is a VM 23:30:38 So is your program 23:30:57 -!- puzzlet has joined. 23:31:00 but it's not lilke JVM 23:31:08 it's the other king of VM 23:31:10 kind* 23:31:16 like Squeak. 23:31:20 like PVM 23:31:23 like Squeak. 23:31:24 Like JVM. 23:31:26 like Limbo 23:31:29 like Squeak. 23:31:31 no no no 23:31:36 Squeak is an OS that runs in user-space. 23:31:37 not Limbo, like Inferno 23:31:49 -!- puzzlet_ has quit (Remote closed the connection). 23:31:53 Squeak is an OS that runs in user-space. 23:31:58 okay 23:32:02 is it distributed? 23:32:05 No. 23:32:13 It claims to be an implementation of Smalltalk. 23:33:04 what i want is a thing that could run simple processes under unix systems and control them throught the network 23:33:14 ssh? 23:33:23 Your idea will fail, nooga, because it assumes the network is infinitely fast. 23:33:26 with schleduler and IPC 23:33:39 Unless you have a very semantically rich language with a very good implementation, almost all time will be taken doing useless network bounces. 23:33:46 ehird: haha, some uses don't need fast IPC 23:34:00 nooga, automatic distribution Doesn't Work 23:34:05 when things don't need to be realtime and strictly synchronized 23:34:08 like um 23:34:12 rendering 23:34:24 nooga 23:34:34 Automatic distribution Doesn't Work™ for much the same reason automatic parallelism Doesn't Work™. 23:34:37 distributed computing only works when doing it manually, for now 23:34:42 yes 23:34:46 your idea is impossible without new, as of yet undiscovered languages 23:34:49 on new, as of yet undiscovered compilers 23:34:58 protip: you haven't revolutionised CS, so it won't work. 23:34:59 Or sentient computers. 23:35:17 so applications for that would be written in C using special library and programmer would have to manage own shit in the right way to get it parallel 23:35:45 ... Why oh why use C if you're going to be on top of a VM? 23:35:57 "Abstract away the machine so I can unabstract it!" 23:36:01 because C is portable 23:36:12 ... Your VM is portable. 23:36:31 and C programs will run on the most OSes used as execution environments 23:36:34 And C is only portable in comparison to assembly. 23:36:38 It takes *work* to port. 23:36:42 nah 23:36:55 God, nooga is such an idiot 23:37:04 what? 23:37:17 And why the crap do you want to write in C on top of a VM? That either defeats the point of a VM or the point of C. 23:37:18 Java is more portable than C, allright 23:37:23 but it's FUCKING slow 23:37:34 looooooooool 23:37:36 nooga: you're an idiot 23:37:38 java is super fast 23:37:43 yeah 23:37:44 sure 23:37:45 nooga: Actually, Java is not very slow. 23:37:51 It is just very memory-inefficient. 23:37:57 ah yes 23:37:58 that 23:38:01 pikhq: no, actually. 23:38:07 (not as a rule, but as a property of common Java coding style) 23:38:14 check out the Java OS 23:38:16 the only flaw the java vm has is startup time 23:38:30 So my complaint is with Java coders, not the JVM. 23:38:41 I like how it went 23:38:47 common java stereotype 23:38:52 actually, it's other common java stereotype 23:38:59 Ohh yeah it's actually that completely different thing. 23:39:13 that's not what i mean 23:39:53 nooga: Writing in C on a VM is just an exercise in masochism, unless you're doing something like LLVM. 23:40:13 i don't mean a VM in that sense! 23:40:39 So, you mean the sense that is not a virtual machine? 23:40:39 i mean something like: I've got 9000 machiunes with linux instgalled, i want to share processes between them 23:40:50 and spawn 9000 processes now 23:40:54 I want to stab nooga until he can't use IRC. True story. 23:41:14 i need a tool that will do ICP between these systems and execute the processes for me 23:41:31 Okay, that's not even *vaguely* a VM. Or automatic distribution. 23:41:31 PVM, by the way, is usable for beowulf clusters; little else. 23:41:39 because i don't have time to manually spawn 9000 processes on 9000 machines by loogin onto them via ssh 23:41:41 right? 23:41:42 That's single system image clustering. 23:42:01 And it's fucking old. 23:42:08 nooga: uh 23:42:10 so write a shell script 23:42:16 now add few fancy things like load balancing and communication via internet and you're done 23:42:20 for i in $(seq 1 9000); do ssh machine$i fuck; done 23:42:26 nooga: the internet is SLOW 23:42:26 nooga: That's single system image clustering. 23:42:27 and UNRELIABLE 23:42:39 nooga: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacies_of_Distributed_Computing 23:42:40 + a terminal that'd let me to enter: run myprogram.c 23:42:42 read these and internalise them 23:42:43 It is absurdly old. 23:42:44 they are false 23:42:46 yours assumes most 23:43:04 And doesn't work well at all unless you've got gigabit Ethernet going. 23:43:06 specifically, #1, #2, #3, #7 23:43:13 pikhq: "internet" 23:43:17 it depends on a tash 23:43:18 he wants to do this over the internet. 23:43:20 task 23:43:21 automatically. 23:43:27 ehird: That's fucking insane. 23:43:43 nooga: stop defending your idea, it's wrong and has been tried before, when people were more stupid 23:43:46 nooga: Computers don't work that way. 23:43:58 um 23:44:02 okay 23:44:20 the renderer works 3 hours and produces 5MB of data i need 23:44:40 Distributed renderers are specially written with carefully placed manual networking, AND THEY AREN'T USED OVER THE INTERNET. 23:44:43 i'd like to spawn 9000 renderers on sevveral machines 23:44:45 They're used over gigabit ethernet or better. 23:44:52 and then collect results in ANY order 23:44:56 what would you do 23:44:57 ? 23:44:57 I want a fucking pony. 23:44:58 hm 23:45:04 A pony that can fly. 23:45:07 What do I do? 23:45:18 nooga: I'd set up a Condor cluster. 23:45:24 Or maybe BOINC. 23:45:35 ah yes 23:45:38 BOINC is cool 23:45:45 Yes. BOINC software is HAND-WRITTEN. 23:45:51 And very carefully distributes workloads. 23:45:52 okay 23:45:53 Manually. 23:46:04 i never said anything about automatic parallelism 23:46:32 ...then? 23:47:00 you don't stop blabbering about hand written manually shit 23:47:23 Also, what you want is not a "virtual machine". That shit's a "library". 23:47:38 And it's already been done. Several times. 23:47:46 sure 23:47:48 i know that 23:47:58 and i didn;t say it's a virtual machine 23:48:02 And no, you could not call this library an operating system. 23:48:03 ........ 23:48:06 You said "VM VM VM VM VM VM" 23:48:20 Unless you meant "very, mmmm...retarded" 23:48:32 It's a daemon and a library. 23:48:38 nooga: if i implement IPC, task schleduling and distributed filesystem in a program that can run on multiple machines at the same time but in user space and communicates via network... can i call it distributed operating system ? 23:48:40 00:29 ehird: (among other stuff) 23:48:42 00:30 ehird: nooga: no. 23:48:44 00:30 ehird: call it Squeak 23:48:46 00:30 nooga: yea, there are such things 23:48:48 00:30 nooga: sure 23:48:50 00:30 nooga: squeak is a VM 23:48:52 read carefully 23:48:52 23:48] ehird: Unless you meant "very, mmmm...retarded" 23:48:52 [23:48] pikhq: It's a daemon and a library. 23:48:53 [23:48] nooga: nooga: if i implement IPC, task schleduling and distributed filesystem in a program that can run on multiple machines at the same time but in user space and communicates via network... can i call it distributed operating system ? 23:48:53 [23:48] nooga: 00:29 ehird: (among other stuff) 23:48:53 [23:48] nooga: 00:30 ehird: nooga: no. 23:48:55 [23:48] nooga: 00:30 ehird: call it Squeak 23:48:57 [23:48] nooga: 00:30 nooga: yea, there are such things 23:48:59 [23:48] nooga: 00:30 nooga: sure 23:49:01 17:31 < nooga> kind* 23:49:01 Whee, fun flood for the whole family! 23:49:03 Let's quite old things! 23:49:04 nooga: it's the other kind of VM 23:49:07 Erm. 23:49:25 "It's the other kind of VM: Vomiting Monsters" 23:49:58 is PVM a VM ? 23:50:01 NO 23:50:16 it's a daemon and a library 23:50:22 why is it called PVM ? 23:50:36 GUESS WHAT? NOBODY KNOWS! 23:50:56 oerjan: btw, "If the person does participate in the wiki, a link to their user page is acceptable, but it should be obvious where the link leads; i.e., the "User:" part of the link should not be hidden" - do we know why this rule exists or why it's beneficial? it just makes the sentence more awkward and harder to read 23:51:11 i bet it's just another one of graue's whims, like "categories are sacred and must never be created!" 23:51:42 ekhm 23:53:54 -!- oklokok has joined. 23:54:10 -!- jix has joined. 23:55:07 funny thing 23:55:15 in that first line i almost described PVM 23:55:35 (but it's not a real VM! i know that, remember that) 23:55:47 it is just called VM 23:56:48 -!- Guest89116 has quit (Connection timed out). 23:57:24 -!- Guest89116 has joined.