< 1251244822 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that is the case, then i'm happy. < 1251244872 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also why should i know what death star is even if i'd watched star wars, it's impossible to associate names to objects < 1251244882 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well *i've < 1251244987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: associate the ascii code < 1251244994 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is < 1251245005 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(('d'*256)+'e')*256 etc < 1251245026 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally < 1251245033 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :death star is... 474106791790616748777842 < 1251245046 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in base 36: 257cp4xu24vwgcxe < 1251245214 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you base that on < 1251245315 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beep beep beep < 1251245315 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beep beep < 1251245315 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beep < 1251245318 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beep beep < 1251245320 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beep beep < 1251245322 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beep < 1251245324 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beep beep beep beep < 1251245326 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beep beep < 1251245328 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beep < 1251245328 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beep < 1251245331 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beep beep beep < 1251245334 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beep beep beep < 1251245336 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beep < 1251245342 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a robot. < 1251245344 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beep. < 1251245362 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CUTE LITTLE BOTTIE SWIMMING IN A TREE < 1251245375 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :computational geometry is sexy < 1251245397 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :SendQ exceeded < 1251245448 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yes < 1251245455 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beep i base the beeping robot < 1251245459 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to beep the beeping beep < 1251245459 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vi9z2gxclenmh5l7uej9mjo < 1251245469 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: you did WHAT to that goat? < 1251245474 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the goat < 1251245475 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1251245535 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1251245554 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: you're backwardsly not amused. < 1251245563 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1251245570 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used the same order as you < 1251245591 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, right < 1251245591 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irb(main):005:0> x="";while i != 0; r = i % 256; i = i / 256; x< + + + + the key. By most standards, a terrible prefix key but it makes a great example." < 1251252236 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1251252258 0 :oklopol!n=oklopol@a91-153-125-186.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1251252754 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :SendQ exceeded < 1251252867 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1251252948 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1251253189 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1251253235 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1251253373 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Hi. < 1251253395 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: StumpWM is quite good. < 1251253405 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only reason I don't use it is inertia. < 1251253422 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is, StumpWM is strictly better, but Ratpoison is... Already working.) < 1251254809 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION enjoys using quirks in punctuation like question or exclamation marks in the middle of a sentence
< 1251255658 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1251255805 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1251255957 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1251256540 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1251256545 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1251258547 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: git clone git://git.savannah.nongnu.org/stumpwm.git && cd stumpwm && autoconf && ./configure && make && sudo make install < 1251258550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then "stumpwm" works < 1251258563 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc, "sudo apt-get instal sbcl" first < 1251258569 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if on a debian-alike < 1251258585 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(helps to check that the sbcl package isn't threaded; stumpwm is temperamental with a threaded sbcl) < 1251258606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, xnest is FUCKING AWESOME <3 < 1251258766 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: oh, you need to install two packages first, like this: < 1251258769 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ sbcl < 1251258772 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(require 'asdf) (require 'asdf-install) < 1251258779 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(asdf-install:install 'clx) (asdf-install:install 'cl-ppcre) < 1251258802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(skip gpg checks, install personally or system, your choice; if system, do it as root) < 1251258820 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I recommend personally, because if you put all your packages local, you can use C-t : to do package management) < 1251258857 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xnest is awesome :) < 1251258898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1251258922 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact I wonder why tiling wms do complex arrangements; all they need is one level of vertical split, and one level of horizontal split < 1251258924 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and xnest :-P < 1251258946 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, I can try X11 WMs in an OS X window, that's just awesome < 1251259005 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reason is, of course, because X sucks. < 1251259038 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mean, really: if you're going to do network transparency, why not make it so that a program can detach from an X server and be attached to a different one later? < 1251259041 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1251259041 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, also because it's silly < 1251259047 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also true. < 1251259048 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, you trapped me in your parens < 1251259050 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like lisp! < 1251259071 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: that would be epic < 1251259154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: my os would let you migrate the window, but not the computation; the computation, but not the window; and both! < 1251259155 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1251259165 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, migrate a pony. < 1251259167 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to your life. < 1251259352 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(pikhq: WITHOUT A KERNEL) < 1251259398 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why people use floating mode for bad programs like gimp < 1251259402 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of just Xnesting < 1251261506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1251261511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stumpwm groups seem a bit of a pain < 1251261515 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they are what i think they are < 1251261532 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/security/a8bc/ want < 1251261541 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1251261549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thinkgeek redesigned omg no < 1251261591 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :horrible! < 1251261597 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..either that's a genuine comment, even though it doesn't sound like one, or you're sarcastically referring to something that I didn't mention in the first place < 1251261603 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't ugly, but wtf < 1251261607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i loved how it looked < 1251261610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all 2001 < 1251261875 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is tea doing in a survival kit? < 1251261884 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :being tea < 1251262063 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, I could easily see myself spending a lot of money on ThinkGeek < 1251262077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can only do that if you have a lot of money < 1251262271 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1251262827 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1251262834 0 :MizardX!i=MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1251262840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi MizardX < 1251263153 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1251263987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.pastie.org/2009/03/wtf-i-never-said-im-against-testing-i-just-dont-do-it.html ;; ok, i'm not going to use pastie any more; read the comments < 1251264001 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :summary: "Hahahaha. You're stupid if you don't know why he's wrong. It's oooooooooooobvious." < 1251264010 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Testing is magical. Hahahahaha. He's wrong." < 1251264018 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :idiot < 1251264040 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost everyone doing "agile" is such an idiot < 1251264244 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1251264376 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1251264467 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1251264856 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, stumpwm is awesome. < 1251265314 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theonion.com/content/news/wikipedia_celebrates_750_years_of < 1251265555 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha "While Wikipedia's "American Inderpendance" page remains available to all site visitors, administrators have suspended additions and further edits to its content due to vandalism." < 1251266191 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* ehird decides to write either a window manager or an irc bot. <-- the window manager I assume will be for your future OS? ;P < 1251266198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait you are still up < 1251266203 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bwahaha. < 1251266213 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : fuck sleep schedules < 1251266217 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'm currently on an inverse monophasic schedule. < 1251266226 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, "monophasic"? < 1251266233 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One big ol' block of sleep. < 1251266236 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1251266245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "western" sleep pattern, apart from Spain, where they do biphasic (monophasic + siesta). < 1251266251 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: But I do mine in the day. < 1251266253 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I woke up about an hour ago < 1251266261 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit dark outside already < 1251266272 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm up from, like, 7-10pm and asleep at like 1-4pm. < 1251266275 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It, uhh, works, for now. < 1251266276 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :already = this time of year < 1251266292 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, when do school start for you? < 1251266306 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure I'll figure something out to get my schedule back on track. < 1251266319 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My body appears to cope. < 1251266328 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that's what SHE said < 1251266334 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, snappeth. < 1251266355 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, alternatively: So did your mom < 1251266365 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's a good one. < 1251266377 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ponders why emacs' scrollbar is on the left.
< 1251266381 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also terminals' < 1251266384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very sily < 1251266387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with an l < 1251266395 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm? konsole's terminal is on the right < 1251266405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"traditional" terminals; xterm, rxvt, etc < 1251266410 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1251266425 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my xterm has no scrollbar though, never bothered finding out how to turn it on < 1251266433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't by default < 1251266440 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: why use xterm instead of rxvt-unicode? < 1251266448 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i highly doubt you use any of xterm's 80s features < 1251266449 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I use konsole. So mu < 1251266492 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear emacs: Yes, I'm on OS X; how astute of you. However, I compiled you FOR GTK. That means I want my X11 meta key, "alt", to be used for that purpose, not the Command key, as you so cleverly inferred based on my platform. < 1251266514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait < 1251266519 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's X11 doing that < 1251266520 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I'm sure you can add something to ~/.emacs to change it < 1251266524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok < 1251266528 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i gotsa learn xmodmap :-( < 1251266529 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be X11 indeed < 1251266536 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, xmodmap never worked for me < 1251266542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: did you hear the news? I'm a fan of a tiling window manager. *gasp* < 1251266545 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use xkb to do the same thing instead < 1251266552 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh? which one? < 1251266556 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stumpwm < 1251266561 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, it's ratpoison, BUT < 1251266561 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never heard of that one < 1251266565 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1251266566 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's the successor) < 1251266566 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's written in Common Lisp < 1251266574 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can evaluate expressions inside its lisp < 1251266575 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not quite as ouch < 1251266579 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can connect to it with emacs and SLIME < 1251266590 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can eat out its insides and replace them while it's running < 1251266590 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything < 1251266598 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like a little lisp machine for X11! < 1251266602 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how does it compare to xmonad? < 1251266609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xmonad doesn't do that < 1251266613 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1251266618 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it has a plugin thing to do basically that < 1251266630 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But really, the actual window management is basically identical to ratpoison, except ... more maintained. < 1251266668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But god dammit, I can do C-t : (format nil "Hello, ~a!" "world") and get "Hello, world!" back and it's RUNNING IN MY WINDOW MANAGER so I love it. < 1251266681 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, heh < 1251266693 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg Ratpoison changed their logo :( < 1251266700 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9d/Ratpoison.png ;; old awesome logo < 1251266701 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, remember, it is still X11 beneath it < 1251266704 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3d/Ratpoison_new.png ;; new crappy logo < 1251266712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes, but I'm going to use Linux/X11 anyway < 1251266724 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I actually prefer the new one < 1251266739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: But the old one was AWESOME! < 1251266744 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the former one looks like the person who made it couldn't draw < 1251266744 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially that missing pixel on the tail < 1251266750 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It's MS Paint chic < 1251266774 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The new one is far too antialiased and gradienty and polished for ratpoison anyway :P < 1251266855 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(setq inhibit-start-screen t) ;; I hate you, rms < 1251266876 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grr, that doesn't work < 1251266946 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Anyway, I can install Lisp packages from my damn window manager < 1251266947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm happy. < 1251266990 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*startup, not start < 1251266991 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it still runs on a system with a kernel! < 1251266999 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes it does, and fuck that shit. < 1251267003 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's Better. < 1251267105 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, better than? < 1251267111 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other things. < 1251267141 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does X11 think the alt key is called...? < 1251267150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess Meta on most systems, but I'm trying to rebind mod2 here... < 1251267153 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe "Opt" or "Option". < 1251267166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alt too < 1251267168 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1251267173 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1251267178 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about X11 on macs < 1251267184 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try xmodmap -p or something < 1251267191 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot the switch < 1251267194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :check man page < 1251267244 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xmodmap -dfkjdsfhk gives a list of options, which is nice. < 1251267254 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, XD < 1251267268 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(generally works with anything but gnu tools) < 1251267283 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xmodmap -pke gives an unreasonably long list < 1251267286 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION emacses it up
< 1251267295 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, I could just scroll :P < 1251267302 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emacs me up scotty! < 1251267306 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ouch) < 1251267329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, this sleeping pattern is quite nice < 1251267342 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get some sort of instinctual kick out of knowing I'm going to be up all night < 1251267367 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: alas, the general vicinity just has metas, shifts and controls < 1251267371 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :along iwth two unlabeled keys < 1251267372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM < 1251267389 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, DON'T PRESS THOSE! < 1251267403 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, they are unlabeled for a reason < 1251267412 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Key diabolique? < 1251267416 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Keys < 1251267434 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is amused that stumpwm comes with a default hotkey that just starts emacs and nothing else
< 1251267436 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, worse... < 1251267445 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is vitally important you can get to emacs in three keypresses at all times. < 1251267451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two, if you don't count modifiers. :P < 1251267454 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you don't want anyone to say their names three times < 1251267468 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Keycode 62 Keycode 62 Keycode 62 < 1251267471 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keycode 72 Keycode 72 Keycode 72 < 1251267474 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION explodes
< 1251267479 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant their real names of course < 1251267485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1251267501 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.65.31 JOIN :#esoteric < 1251267506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did that part message get through? < 1251267514 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* ehird (n=ehird@91.105.65.31) has left #esoteric < 1251267514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, they weren't the right keys :P < 1251267515 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? < 1251267518 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: darn < 1251267521 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did /part #esoteric busy being exploded < 1251267531 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't there an X application that simply prints out every single keypress it gets? < 1251267537 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a keycode w/ symbolic name or whatever < 1251267541 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would seem to be trivial < 1251267561 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xev maybe < 1251267565 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prints out all *events* < 1251267572 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so don't move your mouse either < 1251267596 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, when I start xev my whole screen is white with a small black window border, and then a black border of a white square in the top-left < 1251267602 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :methinks it is designed for less fullscreeny WMs < 1251267606 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, um... whole screen? < 1251267616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Well, whole window that I'm running xnest with stumpwm in. < 1251267617 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah for me it is a small floating window < 1251267626 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, the interesting stuff is printed in the terminal < 1251267626 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, stumpwm is a *tiling* WM. < 1251267630 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it can do floating windows. < 1251267632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how. < 1251267636 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, I can't see the terminal, can I? < 1251267641 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless I split the screen < 1251267645 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I see the issue < 1251267645 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have it on one side, terminal on the otehr < 1251267647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*other < 1251267648 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'll do that < 1251267671 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Mode_switch" is Option. < 1251267697 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it means "escape" < 1251267704 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does X really use escape as meta? < 1251267709 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that was a terminal relic. < 1251267773 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION attempts to figure out how to swap two frames in ratpoison
< 1251267796 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, close enough. < 1251267803 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KeyPress event, serial 31, synthetic NO, window 0x2800001, < 1251267804 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : root 0x1a6, subw 0x0, time 999217048, (314,-142), root:(318,676), < 1251267804 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : state 0x0, keycode 9 (keysym 0xff1b, Escape), same_screen YES, < 1251267806 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1251267811 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not my X it seems < 1251267864 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, not sure where it says that < 1251267941 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :keycode 66 si option, /me remembers that < 1251267948 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, here we go < 1251267950 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clear Mod1 < 1251267950 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clear Mod2 < 1251267951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :keycode 63 = Mode_switch < 1251267951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :keycode 66 = Meta_L < 1251267951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :add Mod1 = Meta_L < 1251267951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :add Mod2 = Mode_switch < 1251268025 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rain rain rain rain *sigh* < 1251268035 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, that's the wrong way around < 1251268035 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1251268037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1251268039 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1251268040 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl going to university as soon as I found my umbrella < 1251268043 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just need to swap the two add lines < 1251268345 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck < 1251268347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you reset xmodmap < 1251268583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wikipediavspredator.com/ < 1251268588 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WJW < 1251268630 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This could be the most one sided fight since 1973 when Ali faced an eighty-foot tall mechanical Joe Frazier. My memory isn't what it used to be, but I think the entire Earth was destroyed." < 1251268646 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poor Frazier never stood a chance. < 1251269040 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/LFBWQ.jpg < 1251269147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what happens if it selects predator as the wp article < 1251269244 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This: http://imgur.com/DXvAL.png < 1251269741 0 :Who`s!n=icu@96.8.172.125 JOIN :#esoteric < 1251269803 0 :Who`s!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1251269912 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :defaults write com.apple.x11 swap_alt_meta -boolean true < 1251269914 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THANK THE FUCK! < 1251269927 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'cept it's org.x.x11 nowadays < 1251269979 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that it worked. Sigh. < 1251270138 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1251270577 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-15-108.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1251270686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, X comes with a screensaver. < 1251272211 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server" < 1251273575 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@j-85.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1251273599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1251273600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1251273674 0 :ineiros_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1251274059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perpendicular politics. < 1251274327 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1251274483 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1251274540 0 :ineiros!n=ineiros@james.ics.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1251275247 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1251275778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This should not be taken as an argument against same-sex marriage. The model fails to generate the following obvious real-world solution: A, B, and C should all move in together and live in joyous tripartite depravity, and X should jump off a bridge." < 1251275779 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1251275800 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders who X is
< 1251275806 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ehird < 1251275812 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A placeholder variable! It's about mathematics actually. < 1251275823 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.plover.com/math/bipartite-matching.html < 1251276104 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor X < 1251276573 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1251276626 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehh < 1251276637 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION peeks hopefully at disk utility
< 1251276647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1251276732 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :disks have no utility. little crystal pyramids are where it's at! < 1251276738 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1251276781 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rumors that people tend to step on them are just evil propaganda! < 1251276789 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1251276798 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sens < 1251276798 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1251276955 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i install a minimal ubuntu w/ stumpwm yesno < 1251277539 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@e-48.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1251277549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...people actually use openmoko phones < 1251277594 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do it just to annoy you, ehird < 1251277601 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just surprised. < 1251277609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: do you exist? < 1251277639 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, the plot thickens < 1251277647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1251277653 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TELEPHONY < 1251277655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCKING TELEPHONY! < 1251277660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :—green—telephony < 1251277680 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting GNU option < 1251277685 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES < 1251277689 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT MAKES YOUR TELEPHONY FUCKING GREEN < 1251277710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHA WOOPS I BROKE IT < 1251277732 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're stocking fupid < 1251277792 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1251277968 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: should i doth it < 1251278001 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's ungrammatical < 1251278008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO < 1251278009 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO < 1251278011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO < 1251278011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO < 1251278032 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"doth" is not an infinitive < 1251278034 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you should rejoin agora. it's boring right now. < 1251278037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, shut up. < 1251278045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can use olde english as wrongly as i wisheth < 1251278077 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, that's early modern english < 1251278224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you deftly avoid my command! < 1251278313 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`define deftly < 1251278315 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* dexterously: with dexterity; in a dexterous manner; "dextrously he untied the knots" \ * in a deft manner; "Lois deftly removed her scarf" \ [12]wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn < 1251278324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically, by pedantry < 1251278410 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :install the ubuntu, then beat it to death with the stump < 1251278423 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that one < 1251278425 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[09:13] ehird: oerjan: you should rejoin agora. it's boring right now. < 1251278425 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1251278452 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh _that_ was so improbable i just ignored it. < 1251278468 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i ignore "should"s on principle < 1251278475 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: join agora. < 1251278483 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tweaks his improbability drive and produces an infinite improbability d rive
< 1251278485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ahem
< 1251278498 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ id < 1251278503 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* (+ 2 2) < 1251278504 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 < 1251278528 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* (evaluate-improbability '(:join (:person oerjan) (:game agora))) < 1251278537 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Number is too large; string representation omitted.] < 1251278559 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* (defvar event '(:join (:person oerjan) (:game agora))) < 1251278575 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* (cause-event :improbability (evaluate-improbability event) :restrain-to event) < 1251278581 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Join Agora. < 1251278592 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is "id"? < 1251278597 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Improbability drive. < 1251278605 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Newly made infinite, in my case. < 1251278609 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was a lisp variant... < 1251278627 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's merely very flexible, you know. < 1251278634 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you use it with Lisp. < 1251278652 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Anyway, the cosmic variables have been tweaked; it is inevitable that you will join Agora. < 1251278701 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that would mean time is circular, horrible! < 1251278724 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: There are more things in nomic and earth than your reason dreams of. < 1251278739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You will, in fact, do it as a separate event from every previous instance. < 1251278746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, soon; I didn't set :time-limit nil. < 1251278946 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, I guess I will write a WM! < 1251278953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :StumpWM can't do automatic tiling which is getting a little annoying. < 1251278971 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Know how I said almost all tiling WMs are dynamic? They aren't. :P) < 1251280015 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1251280534 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1251280534 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1251280534 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1251280535 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1251280536 0 :Leonidas_!n=Leonidas@chronon.pointtec.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1251280537 0 :comex_!i=comex@c-98-210-198-162.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1251280541 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi comex_ :P < 1251280557 0 :bsmntbombdood_!n=gavin@97-118-129-21.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1251280656 0 :lament!n=lament@S0106001b63f462cc.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1251280662 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moo < 1251280683 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moo, lament! < 1251280685 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MOO GOD DAMMIT! < 1251280691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑ reverse time. < 1251280698 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have total reverse control over lament. < 1251280699 0 :Gracenotes_!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1251280703 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he will do whatever I tell him to, in the past. < 1251280738 0 :cmeme!n=cmeme@boa.b9.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1251280748 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that right lament? < 1251280777 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say nothing for a while, lament. < 1251280837 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1251280842 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1251280849 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm telling what lament to do, and he does it in the past. < 1251280854 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*lament what < 1251280877 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you cheating by observing what he does, then telling him to do it immediately afterwards? < 1251280923 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: whatever gave you that idea?! < 1251280927 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have an overactive mind. < 1251281037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say nothing for ages, lament. < 1251281043 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION checks
< 1251281046 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, looks like he obeyed me. < 1251281272 0 :Leonidas_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Leonidas < 1251281690 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1251282034 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, what a pointless spam < 1251282053 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it said I'd won £500,000, and asked for my name, sex, occupation, and country < 1251282056 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and didn't say where to send it < 1251282062 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in reply, duh < 1251282071 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean those things actually have valid reply addresses? < 1251282082 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: umm, they don't just ask for your details up front, no < 1251282097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reply, it can only waste their time < 1251282099 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1251282128 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would only confirm the address as valid < 1251282139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh? < 1251282142 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I could just use an invalid from address and send directly from my own computer < 1251282152 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I mean, never reply to spam, because it tells them the address you sent from exists < 1251282156 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you get a lot more from then on < 1251282164 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, the lottery nigerian types, generally no < 1251282168 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're done manually < 1251282176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus, 419 baiting exists < 1251282189 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more the hands-off viagra spam that does that < 1251282189 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1251282205 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this spam was so short and vague that I can't tell which type it was < 1251282212 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the usual bad grammar < 1251282217 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"your email address have won..." < 1251282227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you won some money and it wants you to reply, then it's a 419 < 1251282233 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an interesting question, actually; /why/ does spam universally have bad grammar? < 1251282247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: because the spammers have bad gramamr < 1251282248 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*grammar < 1251282258 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would bad grammar be correlated with spamming, though? < 1251282265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: third-world economy < 1251282273 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g., a majority of 419s come from Nigeria < 1251282281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(thus the origin of their name) < 1251282308 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, 419 is the number of the relevant section in Nigerian law < 1251282311 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1251282326 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway, a ton of the scammers are actually really rich < 1251282335 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: perhaps they feign bad grammar to seem more authentically foreign. < 1251282338 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :orrrrrr, they're just dumb. < 1251282360 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought a typical 419 scam worked by trying to arrange a (fake) large transfer of money from one person to another, and offering the scamee a, say, 10% cut of it < 1251282367 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which of course they never get, as the money never existed in the first place < 1251282381 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then just to demand money in the meantime using the traditional scam excuses, such as 'transaction fees' < 1251282412 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: pretty much < 1251282456 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas the you-have-won scams I'd expect to work less well, as they don't give a plausible reason as to why you're getting the money, or of what the scammer gets out of it < 1251282472 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: lottery < 1251282482 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you got entered in it by your email company because Segmentation fault < 1251282485 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1251282510 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or similar ridiculous excuse; scams prey on the old and stupid... or, well, just the stupid) < 1251282589 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a: "hey someone screamed and i ignored it" < 1251282589 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a: "what are the chances it was something terrible happening" < 1251282589 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :b: "two hundred percent" < 1251282589 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :b: "we're in earshot of two terrible things at all times" < 1251282590 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :— http://www.picturesforsadchildren.com/index.php?comicID=285 < 1251282609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am pretty sure that is how probability works < 1251282795 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1251282799 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something about X11 I... actually like < 1251282802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: take cover. < 1251282817 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh X11 has lots to like, just even more to dislike < 1251282824 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nonononono, it doesn't though. < 1251282835 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate pretty much everything about X11 that isn't pretty much vital to having a windowing system. < 1251282842 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very very scary if I like one of it's oddities < 1251282852 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probability dictates that bad things will happen soon. < 1251282854 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least improbable things. < 1251282855 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I like the way you can run the server and client separately, I've even done that before but it turned out to be too slow for what we wanted < 1251282861 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might get a unicorn before the nuclear holocaust < 1251282895 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so take cover, or the rabid breed of deadly cat-wasps will eat your brain through your ears before you get your unicorn! < 1251283021 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sorry about that black hole that just appeared where you are. < 1251283027 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is all my fault. i should never have liked it < 1251283038 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry, it was rather small and evaporated before it could do any damage < 1251283051 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, I said that 60 seconds too early < 1251283058 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I was talking about the planet-sized one that hasn't come yet < 1251283069 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's planet-sized, it's probably going to affect you as well as me < 1251283078 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it is a very clever black hole. < 1251283162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was nice knowing you ais523. < 1251283171 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, more developments in SCO vs. Novell < 1251283200 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is there something you haven't told us? like about the fact that you're a creepy extra-dimensional being that can use the internet from inside a black hole? < 1251283206 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that. that might be worth telling us about < 1251283207 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no pressure < 1251283209 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: actually, the black hole isn't here < 1251283214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i < 1251283216 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :find that very... < 1251283217 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1251283220 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :improbable < 1251283222 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that explains it < 1251283232 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... it seems that the money that Sun paid SCO is definitely Novell's, that's been affirmed on appeal, and the rest was remanded < 1251283315 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the remanded issues were because the appeals court thought that they were too complex to be legally decidable by one judge, so they're sending it to a jury trial instead < 1251283347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder when someone will ask me what the thing is that i like about X :P < 1251283348 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and SCO are claiming that as the appeal didn't uphold the verdict, it must be the wrong verdict < 1251283542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weep meep gubble pleep!!!!!!! < 1251283548 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1251283570 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"YEAhim pretty much ''that person''" < 1251283574 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whee. < 1251283645 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and Microsoft asked for a fast-track appeal of the Word case < 1251283663 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some judges agreed and gave them until the end of the day to make it < 1251283666 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, that's fast-track! < 1251283672 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1251283681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, a 14" laptop that weighs under 2kg < 1251283682 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i4i have two weeks to respond to it, though < 1251283686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's made of pixies < 1251283942 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and SCO have new management, it was forced on them by the bankruptcy court < 1251284447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, xlib and xcb have non-mapping concepts < 1251284455 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like xlib display, xcb connection, screen < 1251284579 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm beginning to think xlib is nicer than xcb < 1251284810 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it is. < 1251284928 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you know of a less ugly way of saying if (!(foo = bar)) in C? < 1251284932 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those extra parens irk me < 1251284944 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, that a deliberate assignment-equals? < 1251284950 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: um, no shit < 1251284953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for checking error codes < 1251284959 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd personally write it "if (!((foo = bar)))" < 1251284964 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that's the opposite direction to what you want < 1251284974 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously? why on earth? < 1251284977 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got into the habit of double-parenning assignments in an expression to show they're deliberate < 1251284988 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's an idiom that gcc, at least, understands < 1251285004 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i just note here that trying to code readable, I-know-this-is-safe-and-what-it-does code in C is really stupid < 1251285018 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and an exercise in pointlessness < 1251285033 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's a drop in the ocean, but really, it's more important in C than elsewhere < 1251285040 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it gives your program a hope of being readable years later < 1251285047 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than giving up and knowing for certain it won't be < 1251285057 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can still read much of my C and C++ code that I wrote ages ago, for instance < 1251285059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm one of those crazy people who *is able to distinguish = from ==* < 1251285071 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((hot molten death cases))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) < 1251285081 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, if (!foo = bar) might work < 1251285089 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you can assign to a not-lvalue < 1251285098 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: oh, they're easy enough to distinguish, just you have to wonder if it's deliberate or not < 1251285110 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's a strawman < 1251285119 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: attempting to assign to a non-lvalue is a syntax error, rather than redefining precedence so it makes sense < 1251285130 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :logic where it's unclear whether assignment or comparison is meant is... incredibly convoluted logic that needs fixing < 1251285142 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I mean that precedence rules might be arranged so such idiotic things don't happen < 1251285162 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, in C operator precedence isn't directional, apart from ( and ) < 1251285170 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and = is below ! < 1251285182 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1251285191 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders whether for (;;) or while (1) is more popular
< 1251285202 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no mathematical reason why operators can't have different precedences for the two sides, but it rather makes a mess of the textbooks < 1251285211 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I use for (;;) as it's less likely to annoy lintalikes < 1251285328 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION watches as ehird uses while(1) for the same reason
< 1251285337 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i definitely considered it. < 1251285347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while (1) seems purer < 1251285363 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since for generally implies you're iterating < 1251285371 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd prefer a more expressive conditional construct that lets you just specify no constraints, of course < 1251285373 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like: < 1251285376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :loop () {} < 1251285379 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like QBASIC's? < 1251285383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :loop (while x == y) {} < 1251285394 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or MAGENTA's, for that matter < 1251285397 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :loop (for i=0,i<10,i++; while x == y) {} < 1251285403 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1251285414 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you've pretty much invented MAGENTA's looping construct there, just with saner syntax < 1251285422 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, I've invented lisp's LOOP. < 1251285425 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just with saner syntax) < 1251285434 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, lisp's loop is a looooooot more flexible < 1251285460 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I think MAGENTA's [insert appropriate time-travelling verb here] most of the INTERCAL operations in too < 1251285466 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :had? will have? will have had? will had had? < 1251285468 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wioll? < 1251285476 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :goshnikblag < 1251285485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"will never have but will have had" < 1251285493 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in alternate timeline, will have) < 1251285498 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in other alternate timeline, has) < 1251285502 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in other alternate timeline, has had) < 1251285504 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in other alternate timeline, had) < 1251285509 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically it means everything. < 1251285519 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, < 1251285554 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm darn never mind < 1251285562 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait < 1251285582 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :loop (for (i = 1; i <= 100; i++); if (!(i % 2))) printf("%i\n", i); < 1251285584 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :voila, is like a magic < 1251285593 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was doing fizzbuzz but realised that involved branching :P) < 1251285608 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do a fizzbuzz without branching < 1251285613 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes < 1251285619 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop saying such pointless things < 1251285623 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it obviously isn't a loop conditional < 1251285626 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what a Clue fizzbuzz would look like
< 1251285644 0 :oklopol!n=oklopol@a91-153-117-223.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1251285701 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, < 1251285742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(loop for i from 1 to 100 when (evenp i) do (print i)) < 1251285747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :less stupidly… < 1251285749 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*stupidly: < 1251285755 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(loop for i from 1 to 100 by 2 do (print i)) < 1251285762 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's actual common lisp code) < 1251285806 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid, more formattedly: < 1251285807 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(loop for i from 1 to 100 < 1251285807 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : when (evenp i) < 1251285807 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : do (print i)) < 1251285817 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and yes, it's idiomatic) < 1251285827 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beep! < 1251285832 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: stop beeping < 1251285835 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beep :( < 1251285842 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: continue beeping, more cogently < 1251285877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: feast your eyes on LOOP's syntax: http://www.ai.mit.edu/projects/iiip/doc/CommonLISP/HyperSpec/Body/mac_loop.html < 1251285885 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(way too big to fit on IRC, so don't ask) < 1251285895 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, lightweight page, so no point pastebinning) < 1251285924 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I'm shocked that anyone would even consider pastebinning a page that was already on the Internet < 1251285940 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I was pandering to your crazy anti-webness. < 1251285948 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, the common lisp hyperspec might have viagra ads. < 1251285962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your computer might have to work for upwards of a millisecond to block them, if it's a pentium :P < 1251285973 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION copy-pastes the URL into a browser
< 1251285986 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't clicked on a link for so long, I hadn't realised that it's broken here for some reason... < 1251286012 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how LOOP has built in syntax for introspecting all the variables in a package < 1251286015 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With options on how to do it < 1251286045 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beep, beep beep < 1251286066 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: why are you beeping < 1251286098 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beep 7or < 1251286113 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you know a good psych ward. < 1251286265 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beep! :| < 1251286274 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sort of kinda urgent < 1251286283 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beeeep :'( < 1251286291 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beep beep, beep beep beep -> < 1251286298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit. < 1251286305 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1251286306 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beep < 1251286381 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beep! :) < 1251286392 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beep beep, beep beep beep beep; beeeeeeep beep... beep ;) < 1251286399 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: beep ;-) < 1251286399 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beep beep, beep beep beep < 1251286400 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that morse code? < 1251286404 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beep beep! < 1251286407 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beep beep! < 1251286410 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: beep beep beep beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep beep < 1251286411 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o! < 1251286415 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: beep, beep: bep? < 1251286429 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beep 8| < 1251286429 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1251286435 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: beep bep beep? < 1251286498 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[The TUNES mailing-list is moving! < 1251286498 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've created a Google Group for TUNES: < 1251286498 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://groups.google.com/group/tunes-project/ < 1251286499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is also new life for the TUNES Project. We intend to build some < 1251286499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actor system based on PLT Scheme, and do fun stuff on top of it, such < 1251286499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a distributed database.]] < 1251286506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that... doesn't sound like an OS < 1251286513 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: when did they write that? < 1251286513 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh a distributed database sounds sexy. < 1251286519 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :april this year < 1251286524 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when in april? < 1251286526 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first? < 1251286529 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1251286531 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1251286623 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:35… Baughn: JohnFlux: Yeah. It's only missing an "april's fools!" somewhere to make me be sure. <<< beep beep xD :P < 1251286640 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(13:34… ais523: the first? <<< beep beep beep beep.) < 1251286651 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: where's that from < 1251286653 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't say #beep. < 1251286679 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well Baughn, I guess #haskell < 1251286689 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. < 1251286717 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beep ________ beep < 1251286719 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beep _____ beep < 1251286722 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beep __ beep < 1251286725 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beep beep < 1251286727 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am < 1251286728 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEEEP! < 1251286730 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am unamused oklopol. < 1251286731 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#beep. < 1251286740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol. oklopol stop that. tell me. :| < 1251286800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol you suck. < 1251287068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol you suck like something that does. < 1251287101 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it is #math isn't it < 1251287105 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have determined that it is math. < 1251287108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with uh science < 1251287117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1251287118 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not < 1251287121 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be #physics though < 1251287126 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i doubt you're in #physics < 1251287130 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beep! :) < 1251287138 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are indeed. < 1251287157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: that does not make me happy < 1251287159 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does not have logs < 1251287212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :,_, < 1251287215 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑ this is me < 1251287216 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beep < 1251287269 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1251287273 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i grew eyes < 1251287323 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1251287360 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol i am the very definition of a pol < 1251287364 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you are wasting that in your fury < 1251287456 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1251287522 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beep, puzzlet! < 1251287541 0 :Gracenotes_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Gracenotes < 1251287549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes, < 1251287550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is true. < 1251287557 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1251287727 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thought. < 1251287732 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do people indent the bodies of functions in C etc? < 1251287740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It means that pretty much all the code is indented at least one level. < 1251287742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems pointless. < 1251287751 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make it easier to find the boundaries between functions < 1251287767 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be when you have a blank line, a declaration, then a line with just a { on it. < 1251287773 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty hard to miss; besides, can't your editor fold? < 1251287777 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@77-100-194-169.cable.ubr04.pres.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1251287791 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, if you comment your functions at the top it'll be even more noticeable. < 1251287816 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I don't see how a folding editor makes it easier to find function boundaries < 1251287830 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because... when you fold... all there is is the declarations. < 1251287843 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: so you'd have to fold, click on the declaration, and unfold again < 1251287853 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not particularly useful when skimming through a long source file < 1251287855 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by eye < 1251287861 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you're inventing a usecase that doesn't exist < 1251287870 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I do it all the time, although in languages other than C < 1251287874 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if you skim fast enough, you miss the unindentedl ines < 1251287880 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's really annoying to find that I'm in a different function to what I thought I was < 1251287882 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't skim fast enough, you can easily see the { on a line of its own < 1251287887 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the separating blank line < 1251287893 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unindented lines are easier to notice because they're touching the margine < 1251287899 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*margin < 1251287923 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you get blank lines all the time, and depending on the indentation conventions used, lone {s as well < 1251287966 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... Yahoo! mail keeps trying to advertise IE8 at me < 1251287978 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I clicked the advert to see what would happen, and they said it wasn't available for my platform < 1251287982 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, why advertise in the first place? < 1251287990 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although they did try to get me to download their toolbar instead) < 1251288227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: because microsoft told them to < 1251288231 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for obvious reasons < 1251288254 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway, ok, but why a whole tab indent? < 1251288304 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I think I'm going insane; I can't figure out what style I'm resulting in here :D < 1251288316 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think anything that starts with a space and then goes on to tabs is ... interesting < 1251288394 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, dwm has a macro #define LENGTH(X) (sizeof X / sizeof X[0]) < 1251288399 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just evil... I'm stealing it < 1251288610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION snaps out of it
< 1251288623 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i apologise arguing for some demented "one-space then tabs" indentation scheme < 1251288843 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION embeds the io language in a thing.
< 1251288849 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I uh, I think < 1251288948 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I found the worst anarchy golf submission, ever < 1251288949 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://golf.shinh.org/p.rb?Hello+OCaml < 1251288962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is restricted to one language, except not < 1251288964 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in the language, < 1251288968 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has one obvious solution < 1251288970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is also the shortest < 1251288975 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have to try harder to make it longer < 1251289674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why do people use exit(1) instead of abort()? < 1251289706 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: to distinguish their exists from auto-aborts elsewhere < 1251289709 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*exits < 1251289717 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's often possible to tell which was used from outside < 1251289724 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: auto-abort? < 1251289726 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. abort works via a signal SIGABRT on many UNIXes < 1251289737 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and on Windows, it exited with code 3 rather than 1, IIRC < 1251289744 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Claiming moderate-density FPGAs clocking at 1.5 GHz," < 1251289746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hawt < 1251289748 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, e.g. many C++ compilers will abort() if they hit an unhandled exception < 1251289757 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, their generated programs will < 1251289759 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.edn.com/index.asp?layout=blogpostPrint&blog_post_id=1040033304 < 1251289894 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought: I'd like C more if I could put a typename before a variable usage and have it declare < 1251289904 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a generalisation of C99's special case for for) < 1251289912 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. instead of < 1251289913 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : XEvent ev; < 1251289913 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : while (!XNextEvent(dpy, &ev)) < 1251289915 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could do < 1251289921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : while (!XNextEvent(dpy, &XEvent ev)) < 1251289928 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: what scope would the new variable have? < 1251289940 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: same semantics as when used in for < 1251289940 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could in Algol 68, incidentally, but its scoping rules were really complex as a result < 1251289943 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, they'd be identical < 1251289947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the two snippets < 1251289953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also, you could then remove declarations themselve < 1251289953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1251289955 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in for, the semantics is 'the head and body of the for loop' < 1251289964 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those don't generalise to anything but other looping constructs nad if < 1251289964 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"XEvent ev;" would be what we now say as "XEvent ev; ev;" < 1251289967 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*and if < 1251289970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and would obviously be optimised out < 1251289975 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm right < 1251289982 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, function/block scope < 1251289984 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically. < 1251290087 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1251290194 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, drawing contexts < 1251290197 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x11 sucks :P < 1251290502 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1251290508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why doesn't x11 treat button presses as keys? < 1251290511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like the obvious thing to do < 1251290648 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define ITER(x,n) int _##n; typeof(x) n; for (_##n = 0; _##n < ITEMS(x), n = x[_##n]; _##n++) < 1251290649 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑ I can't decide whether this is neato or evil < 1251290650 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably evil < 1251290691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is ↑ evil? < 1251290742 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yes, because C compilers aren't very good with unicode < 1251290754 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hur hur hur < 1251290758 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :butsrsly < 1251290765 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I think that sort of thing's a bad idea < 1251290774 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially, the prepending of underscores, that never comes to a good end < 1251290833 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I am unlikely to name anything _key < 1251290852 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to remember to only use lowercase variable names, though < 1251290855 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so as to not end up in compiler namespace < 1251290876 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I do that anyway < 1251290883 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, use compiler namespace? < 1251290889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only use lowercase names < 1251290913 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beep beep < 1251290919 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: a better criticism is that __typeof__ is gcc only. < 1251290933 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, there are plenty of others too < 1251290949 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you think #define ITEMS(x) (sizeof x / sizeof x[0]) is evil too, right? :P < 1251291135 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I'm not getting the events I asked for, that's not good < 1251291173 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1251291179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION drops his loops for some magical X-Macros
< 1251291187 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :much more appetising! < 1251291473 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hee, it works < 1251291477 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compile time loops, yay < 1251292468 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just installed xscreensaver < 1251292481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my life, until I die, will henceforth consist of staring at all of these < 1251292486 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so pretty < 1251293637 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back at home < 1251293647 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1251293653 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1251294985 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how a user space program can "listen" for new usb devices under linux < 1251294995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :polling isn't a good idea < 1251295018 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to wakeups and battery time < 1251295020 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you polled slowly enough, it wouldn't be that problematic < 1251295041 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, surely you should be able to subscribe to some sort of event notification < 1251295042 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :put it this way: a typical laptop has tens of wakeups a seocnd < 1251295048 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inotify on /dev/? < 1251295052 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas, there's no real point in checking more often than about once every five seconds < 1251295061 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I got mine down to 4-5 per second with wlan off < 1251295066 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15-20 with wlan on < 1251295101 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and what about embedded devices? < 1251295131 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even those have several wakeups a second, or sometimes won't even go to sleep < 1251295152 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, why would they want real-time notification of USB plugins, anyway? < 1251295155 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :varies a lot, depending upon application I imagine < 1251295205 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, who knows. < 1251295220 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I think a laptop should be able to have a lot less than several wakeups per second < 1251295231 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :current software and hardware is just badly designed < 1251295250 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course it will be more when you type or use the mouse or such, I mean when idle) < 1251295331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also stuff like ntp should be automatically stopped when you aren't connected to a network. < 1251295339 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1251295356 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this could be an idea for ehird's OS: nothing ever needs to do polling, you can make absolutely anything depend on an event < 1251295357 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :becuase, yes of course, some wakeups, like those from ntp, are hard to avoid < 1251295362 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it uses no CPU until the event happens < 1251295376 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, a few things in current hardware do need polling though < 1251295387 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but modern hardware seems to need less < 1251295428 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, for example, some modern cd drives has the ability to notify about media being inserted. Traditionally that hasn't been the case. < 1251295488 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh and mdns an such should be avoided. At university my laptop wakes up a LOT due to broadcasts from "auto discover" stuff from other computers on the wlan < 1251295534 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what "TLB shootdowns" in powertop is
< 1251295571 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and why on earth does gpg-agent and ssh-agent wake up every 20 seconds... < 1251295583 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :linking to a keyserver, I wonder? < 1251295599 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I don't forward ssh-agent if that is what you mean < 1251295622 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, downloading new lists of public keys < 1251295626 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I haven't even used gpg yet this session so there is no data in gpg-agent < 1251295650 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, gpg-agent doesn't do that. It just remembers that you entered the password for the key during a few minutes before auto-locking it again < 1251295676 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I mean, the other half of it, verifying messages < 1251295688 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it linking to public databases of public keys, so that it can tell who the messages are from? < 1251295715 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well it has nothing to verify atm... so unlikely. Plus does verifying really use gpg-agent? < 1251295720 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea < 1251295740 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ssh-agent wakes up about every 20 seconds, gpg-agents about every 10 seconds < 1251295814 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, btw, how does one disable updatedb under ubuntu? < 1251295850 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not sure, you could probably remove it from the crontab though < 1251295866 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, the system seems to use anacron, not sure how it works hm < 1251295870 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1251295876 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1251295888 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same way as cron < 1251295894 0 :ehird1!n=root@91.105.65.31 JOIN :#esoteric < 1251295920 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, anyone want to help me boot up a different ARM linux on this thingy? < 1251295935 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely someone this time. :P < 1251295953 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking at the file in cron.daily: < 1251295956 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chmod -x /usr/bin/updatedb.mlocate < 1251295994 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waits for synergy to paste a extra copy of that while he is typing. Ah there it came... backspace...
< 1251295997 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh? Eh? How about you AnMaster? < 1251296007 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really synergy is nice, but the copy-paste sucks < 1251296012 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: why don't you like updatedb? < 1251296050 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I don't use locate a lot. Last time I used it on any system must have been over a year ago < 1251296053 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus I have no use of it < 1251296060 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this on ubuntu? < 1251296070 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use locate a lot, mostly aiming for libraries < 1251296080 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're getting rid of everything you don't need on Ubuntu, you're Royally Missing The Point. < 1251296086 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: howsabout you help eh eh < 1251296102 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, it is actually irritating me, system is slower when it is updating the db... < 1251296115 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I see it as a usability issue < 1251296116 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1: how? < 1251296131 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: err, clarify that question < 1251296140 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, and where did I say I was getting rid of everything that I didn't need? < 1251296141 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1: as in, how do you think I can help? < 1251296153 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just disable those that I actually find irritate me :P < 1251296158 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:02:36 this could be an idea for ehird's OS: nothing ever needs to do polling, you can make absolutely anything depend on an event < 1251296158 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, at the software layer < 1251296168 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol if i say ehird < 1251296172 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my imac bloops to tell me < 1251296174 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird < 1251296175 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird < 1251296176 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird < 1251296177 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that you just said ehird < 1251296178 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tee hee < 1251296179 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1251296183 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ? < 1251296196 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gets pretty silly when I'm logged in as both ais523 and ais523_, via different connections < 1251296203 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :callforjudgement < 1251296207 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I know why it tells me, I just like it < 1251296210 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird < 1251296216 0 :callforjudgement!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ais523 < 1251296218 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most expensive single-function remote control EVAR < 1251296219 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird < 1251296224 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(14:10:56) ehird1: So, anyone want to help me boot up a different ARM linux on this thingy? < 1251296229 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the help thingy < 1251296233 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, that reminded me to register my other nicks < 1251296235 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case you didn't realise < 1251296237 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nick < 1251296246 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my best course of action is to make an ARM debian chroot < 1251296249 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1: yes, and my comment was that I'm not sure how I could help < 1251296255 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and work from there < 1251296267 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :making the custom boot thingy do my bidding into debian < 1251296270 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: any way! < 1251296284 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, my point was it shouldn't need to poll stuff at all. Everything should work by "subscribing/listening" to events. < 1251296318 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, there would be a few cases where it wouldn't work < 1251296323 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's not how electricity works < 1251296323 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly when interfacing hardware < 1251296328 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so that's not how devices work < 1251296343 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, sure is, devices cause an interrupt which wake up cpu < 1251296351 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is an event notification < 1251296360 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you fail < 1251296365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, how so? < 1251296367 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think about, e.g. mice and keyboards < 1251296377 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they work by polling < 1251296377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, they cause interrupts. Didn't you know? < 1251296381 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fundamentally, everything does < 1251296397 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You don't know what the word "device" means. Discuss. < 1251296418 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, well, in this case I guess it means keyboard controller hardware. < 1251296429 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it is usb < 1251296463 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either you don't actually know how keyboards and mice work, or you're ignoring the obvious meaning on opurpose < 1251296464 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, I'm talking about interrupts on the level OS has to deal with. Not on the level of wlan card listening at the radio signals < 1251296466 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect the former < 1251296468 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or similar < 1251296481 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: mainly the help I'd need would be (a) setting up a debian chroot system and < 1251296488 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(b) getting the boot up code to agree with that < 1251296508 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'm saying that polling systems are common because that's fundamentally How Shit Works < 1251296603 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, and fitting it all in 1gb < 1251296614 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, depends on what layer you are talking about. I agree with you on the low hardware level yes. But I'm talking about the level that would force cpu to poll. As opposed to specialised circuits on the board waking up the cpu by interrupts when they find something by polling. < 1251296617 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i have a flash card slot for 1gb of temp storage, I don't think the booter will boot into that < 1251296652 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: humans model higher layers basewd on how the lower layers work < 1251296664 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why we have the notion of "program", for instance < 1251296668 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, well see the examples of cd drives I gave above when I talked to ais < 1251296677 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an internal taskswitching data strujcture, exopsewd as a concept < 1251296691 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you're not listening to me < 1251296696 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not justifying it, ffs < 1251296700 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm telling you WHY < 1251296728 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, it sounded like you were justifying it to me. But ok then. < 1251296755 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Humans tend to model higher layers basewd on the internal details of the lower layers < 1251296775 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Examples: "program" - internal task switching structure; "polling" - internal electronics model < 1251296780 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway you can avoid polling in a lot of cases. Certainly you can avoid it when it is different parts of the software that are interacting (instead of hardware and software interacting) < 1251296785 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a lot of the cases < 1251296796 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you delight in pointing out the obvious < 1251296814 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean i didn't retalise this was #three-year-olds < 1251296816 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, well. Looking at powertop output it seems it isn't obvious to a lot of people :/ < 1251296868 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think if you asked the authors why they did a polling model, they'd almost certainly have a cogent and reasoned justification of it. < 1251296883 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Generally, maintainers of core linux infrastructure aren't *idiots*. < 1251296970 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why for example is gnome-panel waking up every other second? And what about update-notifier? update-notifier is the thing that displays notifications in gnome iirc. A good design for it: listen on some socket/dbus thing/whatever, wake up when you get a new message. I mean there is even system calls like select(), poll(), epoll() and so on for it... < 1251296979 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, uhh, ANYONE want to volunteer to help? :P (unless I count ais523's query into the nature of the help as implicit agreement... which is admittedly tempting() < 1251296982 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*) < 1251296989 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: read my last message. < 1251296995 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(er, second last) < 1251296999 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ignoring correction) < 1251297005 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the one before that. < 1251297025 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, hm... sec for a link < 1251297041 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...? < 1251297067 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not likely to click many links on this thing unless they're e.g. pastebins; it is a rather anemic machine and is running the uber-slow Firefox. < 1251297082 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.lesswatts.org/projects/powertop/known.php#knotify http://www.lesswatts.org/projects/powertop/known.php#mixer <-- two examples < 1251297089 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...but if you help me get a better linux on this that I can install a webkit browser from, why, I'll click a billion! < 1251297094 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :turned out it wasn't a very good reason in several of the cases at least < 1251297119 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, is the X200 THAT bad? < 1251297136 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahaha, this isn't the X200! < 1251297140 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the root netbook thingy. < 1251297146 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1251297160 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The X200, which I haven't bought yet, is as sturdy and powerful as any ThinkPad. < 1251297177 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, btw, lesswatts looks like a quite light page to me. Can't guarantee that your notebook will handle it of course < 1251297183 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but pastebin.ca is definitely heavier < 1251297197 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Notebook is pushing it; one it works on my lap, two it's slower than my phone. < 1251297222 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, since it sometimes pastebin.ca bogs down konq, while lesswatts could best be described as snappy < 1251297228 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, okay, it has the same RAM as my phone and a slightly faster CPU. But my phone has a bigger disk and does shit a lot quicker, due to the OS being designed for that.) < 1251297252 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmf. My battery is low. Where is the cord? < 1251297260 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope it's long. < 1251297266 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh :P < 1251297268 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I COULD JUST USE AUGUR'S HUR HUR) < 1251297284 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, how long does the battery last < 1251297287 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that < 1251297287 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will such jokes ever get old? < 1251297292 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: like 3hrs on full charge. < 1251297294 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, yes, it is already old < 1251297312 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh it only weighs 700 grams < 1251297332 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, power cord is ridiculously short < 1251297338 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1251297399 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, oh btw, power cord of my thinkpad is quite short. well depends on what you compare to. But here I'm comparing to the distance between one of the nice sofas at uni and the closest power socket < 1251297430 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Connected it. It is strained a little. < 1251297433 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather, the socket on the laptop is on the wrong side for that. Should be on the right side, but is on the left < 1251297452 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not a problem for me; it'll charge overnight < 1251297454 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1251297462 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who wants to do some chrootin' bzns w/ me < 1251297469 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bzns? < 1251297474 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :new, unexplored platforms of wonder and delight! LINUX! < 1251297477 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: business. < 1251297486 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1251297489 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is your goal < 1251297495 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could help set up gentoo in a chroot < 1251297496 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1251297507 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: does gentoo support arm < 1251297518 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, think so. Not 100% sure. *looks* < 1251297522 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: if yes, does it support not taking 5 weeks to install on a 500mhz arm < 1251297526 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ that's the important bit < 1251297536 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, with 1gb of space < 1251297543 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 500mb to start with < 1251297549 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since we're chrooting and the old distro is still there < 1251297566 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/portage/profiles/default/linux/arm/ exists, so yes < 1251297578 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, depends on what you wants < 1251297579 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, KDE? < 1251297585 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just base system < 1251297595 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, and why not cross compile with distcc! < 1251297597 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: like, ratpoison. < 1251297605 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, because I'm sitting here, dammit' < 1251297610 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/'$/./ < 1251297613 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, well ssh to your desktop? < 1251297615 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and set that up < 1251297635 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I don't know if ssh is set up on there; anyway, I'd like something in an hour or two < 1251297641 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1251297645 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea about other distros < 1251297648 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try ais523 < 1251297654 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about ais523 can be the resident debian unexpert < 1251297664 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and AnMaster can be the resident ubisurfer bootup unexpert < 1251297671 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I can be the typing keys unexpert < 1251297681 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, don't forget trackpad moving and clicking!!! < 1251297682 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, well I'm certainly no debian expert. And I haven't ever seen an ubisurfer < 1251297691 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: unexpert < 1251297699 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, almost nobody has < 1251297701 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, how does it boot then? < 1251297705 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :openfirmware? < 1251297709 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an obscure ubercheap product < 1251297725 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's ARM and has no facility to boot via any other media that I know < 1251297726 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uh < 1251297731 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me take a look < 1251297738 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it has a /linuxrc binary, for one < 1251297747 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, booting up is just a splash screen, then linux starts < 1251297748 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, eugh < 1251297756 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean you are running from a initramfs? < 1251297758 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1251297760 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it initrf < 1251297762 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :initrd* < 1251297765 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that uses that < 1251297766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot < 1251297771 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1251297778 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it's rAM < 1251297783 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's only 128MB to go around < 1251297786 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, well /linuxrc is for initramfs or initrd, forgot which < 1251297799 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least... normally < 1251297804 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be some weird setup I guess < 1251297808 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, there's an /selinux, somehow i doubt that is usewd < 1251297809 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :used < 1251297816 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, what distro does it run atm? < 1251297818 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prolly this thing was debian in a past life < 1251297821 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: custom shit < 1251297831 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, ls /etc/*release* < 1251297834 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything? < 1251297844 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1251297865 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sec < 1251297876 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, is there a command called lsb_release (far from all distros have that but worth a try) < 1251297882 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the shortcut to copy from xterm < 1251297896 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: this thing uses busybox and runs on 1gb flash, so, no < 1251297897 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, select text, paste with middle mouse button elsewhere? < 1251297903 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what middle button :) < 1251297910 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want the thing whose inverse is ctrl-shift-insert < 1251297913 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, whops. What browser then? < 1251297925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, ctrl-shift-insert? < 1251297926 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1251297930 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... < 1251297930 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never used that XD < 1251297943 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: browser? < 1251297945 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, I *always* copy by selecting and paste with middle mouse button < 1251297964 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, well I assume a netbook would have a browser. Like firefox, opera or whatever < 1251297987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly this is a pure telnetbook? ;P < 1251297989 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, it has the unholy abomination of GPRS-based compressed IE proxy etc etc < 1251297993 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also firefox. < 1251297996 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iceweasel. < 1251297998 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's debian. < 1251298013 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, hm... < 1251298024 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I just want to copy this < 1251298025 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, lets see how else we could detect debian... /etc/alternatives? < 1251298030 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dude. < 1251298032 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's debian < 1251298042 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It calls its browser iceweasel and uses its icon < 1251298046 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm right, but other distros use iceweasel too iirc < 1251298051 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOt the icon < 1251298060 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, pretty sure arch linux did for a while at least < 1251298061 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now tell me the damn copy command :P < 1251298079 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, I don't know of any way except select and middle mouse button. Sorry < 1251298099 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google for me? I would, but uhh, 500mhz arm + firefox < 1251298109 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you could right click and select copy in konsole. but xterm hm < 1251298112 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, sure, sec < 1251298124 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, promise you will do that at least 20000 times for me? < 1251298124 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1251298134 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, cpu usage is 100% For doing audacious things like looking at pidgin and scrolling in firefox < 1251298147 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, what process? top? < 1251298157 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, it would be funny if top used 100% CPU < 1251298159 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IceWM's cpu monitor < 1251298163 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would rather defeat the half point of it < 1251298164 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it uses IceWM < 1251298177 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: just subtract 100 from the total, duh < 1251298225 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, all ways I can find with google refers to middle click < 1251298234 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, try both left and right at once < 1251298237 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did < 1251298240 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it emulates middle click < 1251298240 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ffs < 1251298243 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just < 1251298244 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat to file < 1251298246 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :open in gui < 1251298249 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1251298260 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uname -a > /fuck < 1251298282 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, does this thing come with a text editor I wonder < 1251298286 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck it, I'll use abiword < 1251298304 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, I found some page mentioning a patch to make it use the ctrl-c/ctrl-v style copy/paste buffer < 1251298308 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reassuring; abiword doesn't start from the command line < 1251298311 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than the selection buffer < 1251298319 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION uses the menu, it works
< 1251298323 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i shudder to think what the menu item does < 1251298341 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, is it gnome, or something else? < 1251298374 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you paid attention in class, you'd have noticed that a dfew lines ago, I said it was icewm < 1251298381 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funnily enough, it has not changed in the interim < 1251298392 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, oh sorry, I was bussy googling for you < 1251298393 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1251298400 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :busy* < 1251298425 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fresh from abiword! < 1251298427 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(14:10:56) ehird1: So, anyone want to help me boot up a different ARM linux on this thingy? < 1251298429 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1251298433 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck x11 clipboards < 1251298437 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1251298449 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Linux pocketsurfer 2.6.21.5-cfs-v19 #342 Wed Jul 29 17:53:42 EDT 2009 armv5tejl unknown < 1251298457 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfs? hm... < 1251298465 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds familiar < 1251298470 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It doesn't actually have a hardware clock; I manually set it) < 1251298482 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Supposedly beforehand it was 1st jan 1970) < 1251298486 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :completely fair scheduler? But isn't that standard since ages < 1251298490 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This kind of broke certificates.) < 1251298493 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: filesystem < 1251298494 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1251298497 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1251298498 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for flsah shit < 1251298504 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever < 1251298506 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea < 1251298508 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1251298511 0 :impomatic!n=John@nat65.mia.three.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1251298516 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, look at /proc/mounts < 1251298536 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaffs2 < 1251298542 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh... < 1251298549 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why heh < 1251298677 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GREAT< MY CAPS LOCK IS ON WHETHER I HIT THE KEY OR NOT < 1251298677 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DESPITE THE INDICATOR CHANGING oh wait it was just holding down shift, if i press shift it stops heh < 1251298689 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1251298691 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1251298697 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, you forgot your finger was on shift? < 1251298698 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what < 1251298700 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any kind soul want to find a link to some sort of debian arm page? < 1251298707 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, the keyboard forgot it wasn't. < 1251298744 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, so are you prepared to say sorry for everything you said? ;P < 1251298750 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I can be the kind soul < 1251298756 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise I don't think so ;P < 1251298761 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, everything ever? < 1251298768 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :including that thing about the goat? < 1251298770 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, everything negative about me. < 1251298771 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't forgive that < 1251298775 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That goat was a nasty little bitch < 1251298784 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: The goat was a previous life of you, I'm sure < 1251298792 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION closes the debian arm port page
< 1251298839 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Why were you such a dick as a goat, just answer me that < 1251298866 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, I'm afraid you confused me with someone else there. < 1251298868 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiiiiiiiiiine < 1251298873 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're boring :P < 1251298878 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that count as nwegative < 1251298879 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, that goat was clearly my evil twin < 1251298881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly < 1251298889 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i said goat < 1251298891 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not goatee < 1251298894 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION rimshot
< 1251298896 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, oh okay < 1251298912 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I never been a goat as far as I know so can't answer that < 1251298914 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1251298924 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : does that count as nwegative <-- no idea about "nwegative" < 1251298962 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"mov.i #1,1" < 1251298964 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsndjkasndjksndkjasndkjnasdknaskjdnjkndkasnjknfjksdnf < 1251299005 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could i just kinda have a link plz :P < 1251299032 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a "link plz"? ;P < 1251299048 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, plus even on that slow computer, googling would have been faster. < 1251299057 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i realise that now. < 1251299081 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, but seriously, you seem to be so rude most of the time I see no reason to help you. < 1251299084 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug* < 1251299106 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're just trying to drag this on :P < 1251299109 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not right now indeed, when you want help, but yesterday for example, and quite a few times before then < 1251299129 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, I'm not rude, I'm honest. < 1251299155 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, unlike your mom < 1251299174 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, snayou know what I bet it's debian.org/ports/arm < 1251299178 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://debian.org/ports/arm < 1251299181 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1251299187 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont have clickable urls < 1251299191 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking fuckshit! < 1251299201 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, no idea, closed browser several minutes ago. but it was on debian.org iirc < 1251299220 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it worked < 1251299222 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, how long would it take to type that url into the browser then? *shrug* < 1251299223 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also why are you helping < 1251299235 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i have copy paste tho < 1251299277 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, helping? You mean saying on debian.org? Well I said I had the official page for the port open, about half a screen above... < 1251299285 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, that has no release links < 1251299287 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, where else than debian.org? < 1251299298 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there's a #debian-arm < 1251299318 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, you seem to be a slow typer on that netbook as well... < 1251299323 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(15:07:23) You have been kicked by ChanServ: (Invite only channel) < 1251299331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^_^ < 1251299332 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: keyboard is woefully small, and keys are oddly placed. < 1251299336 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, oh right < 1251299344 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, debian is on oftc iirc? < 1251299354 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moved from freenode some year ago or so < 1251299356 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly two < 1251299358 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#debian exists here, arm might be skdjfhskfhksjfsdkjfskdjsdkfsf i'll just do it myself < 1251299364 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, isn't that ##debian? < 1251299374 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't caaaaaaare < 1251299386 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which mean it isn't official < 1251299393 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so well yeah it would explain things < 1251299426 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Setting up a Debian chroot under Red Hat" < 1251299428 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :close enough < 1251299432 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1251299480 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :debootstrap is x86 only i bet < 1251299484 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what time is it? < 1251299486 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AH < 1251299488 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ER < 1251299496 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AB < 1251299496 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1251299496 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:10 < 1251299592 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:13 < 1251299599 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, debootstrap needs binutils? prolly just for ar < 1251299601 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:11:36 15:10 < 1251299604 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun :P < 1251299614 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :off by a minute < 1251299620 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or so < 1251299626 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did set it manuallh < 1251299630 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vgom mh iphonr < 1251299632 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from mh < 1251299634 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my < 1251299636 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok < 1251299646 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, what cpu does iphone use? < 1251299647 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arm? < 1251299658 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :architecture all? guess its a shell script < 1251299660 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yeppers < 1251299680 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey i have bash 3.2 < 1251299681 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonderful < 1251299813 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, oh? I thought you said busybox < 1251299819 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus 3.2? OOOOOOOOLD ;P < 1251299825 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4.x FTW < 1251299917 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has busybox too < 1251299924 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grrr, it either wants perl or a c file compiled < 1251299929 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe debian has a package < 1251300156 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have make but not gcc < 1251300182 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man but no nroff < 1251300188 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a comedy of errors < 1251300269 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1251300288 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, what about groff or troff? < 1251300295 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1251300298 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reads the man page with vi
< 1251300304 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :busybox vi, naturally < 1251300591 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who wants to help me rewrite some perl in shell :P < 1251300619 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1: perl - << EOF? < 1251300632 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: on a machine that does not have perl. < 1251300632 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that cheating? < 1251300640 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, busybox. < 1251300665 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LTERNATIVELY < 1251300674 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone on a system with easy cross compilers? < 1251300689 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gots myself a single source file here that could use some static compilation :P < 1251300690 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1: if something's set up properly with auto-tools, I have an ARM toolchain here < 1251300697 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, gentoo, if you are prepared to wait while it builds < 1251300697 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :snap < 1251300702 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that has built C-INTERCAL without issue < 1251300709 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ais523 beat you with INSTANTLY < 1251300721 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, indeed < 1251300727 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, because he had one ready < 1251300729 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while I don't < 1251300733 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would have to install it < 1251300738 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I wouldn't have done anyway < 1251300750 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://sources.bit.nl/viewvc.cgi/bit-pxe/linux/debootstrap/pkgdetails.c?view=log should be basically recent enough, ais523 < 1251300762 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a static compiled ARM ELF of that should work, if it works on ubuntu < 1251300766 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since i have debian here < 1251300774 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks if you do do it < 1251300783 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try < 1251300786 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, first write Makefile.am and configure.ac! < 1251300788 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1251300788 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first, I have to remember where the toolchain actually is < 1251300794 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's something like 8 levels deep in my directory structure < 1251300828 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the gcc option for static compile? < 1251300929 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1: it compiled, I think < 1251300945 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ file a.out < 1251300947 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a.out: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), statically linked, not stripped < 1251300975 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks good < 1251300979 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and here it is: http://filebin.ca/uvwnk/a.out < 1251300981 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how big is it? < 1251301002 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :358569 < 1251301024 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bytes, presumably < 1251301039 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't get much smaller if I strip it < 1251301046 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I suspect it's linked against uclibc < 1251301054 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that that really matters, probably < 1251301077 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's a lot larger than I expected < 1251301094 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that 3.5mb? < 1251301102 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.35 mb < 1251301108 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that's okayh < 1251301122 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.5mb wouldn't be; i only have about 500 of those things spare < 1251301191 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now how to get that url into oh ill just we bbrowse it < 1251301351 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fact; there's an ethernet port but it does nothing < 1251301357 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure it has ethernet drivers < 1251301375 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: your binary runs1 < 1251301376 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1251301377 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1251301389 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1: well, I know it's capable of working < 1251301396 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on my machine < 1251301397 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the buildchain for /that/ buildchain was a rather tenuous one < 1251301415 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it consisted of makefiles which downloaded things, including other makefiles, with wget < 1251301419 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the dependencies were all wrong < 1251301432 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like all ARMs are teh same < 1251301433 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the < 1251301444 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a little shellscript that invoked the relevant bits in the right order, deleting things if necessary < 1251301446 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woot, debootstrap --help works < 1251301453 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, that gcc was built as 'arm-linux-gcc' < 1251301460 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without specifying what version of arm < 1251301465 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or of linux fwiw, but that's less important) < 1251301488 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my guess is, it's designed to port to as many arms as possible < 1251301526 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is debootstrapping! < 1251301527 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-51-49.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1251301551 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should send you an ARM build of C-INTERCAL, to see if it works there? < 1251301629 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about after I've replaced this carp with debian? < 1251301679 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1251301703 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and then I can just sudo apt-get install intercal ;-) < 1251301711 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1251301722 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wouldn't be cross-compiled, though < 1251301727 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd have been built on native ARM < 1251301740 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so? :P < 1251301756 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, it's working out dependencies at the moment < 1251301763 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this seems quite working < 1251301767 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a pleasent surprising < 1251301769 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pleasant < 1251301840 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this the incredulous feeling you have when you do something complicated involving build processes and it just works first time? < 1251301861 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, although it hasn't actually done anything platform-specific yet < 1251301873 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aprat from download the arm packages < 1251301880 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*aoart < 1251301886 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\8apart < 1251301890 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :**apart < 1251301939 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :****apart? < 1251301954 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Jesus fucking Christ with this arcane academic toy language bullshit" //- someone tell all the embedded folk to sotp using forth < 1251301958 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a toy language turns out < 1251301968 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woot, it''s downlaoding packagis < 1251301971 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most langs have a use < 1251302035 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, forth's is (a) being a toy language, (b) being in a shit ton of embedded devices and (c) being usewd in nasa flight control software < 1251302046 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but mainly (a), if you go by reddit commentors < 1251302064 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose some langs are better toy langs than others, as well as being practical < 1251302086 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's obvious that toy language was meant as a childish insult in conte < 1251302089 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xt < 1251302139 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, did you intentionally misunderstand what ehird1 said there? XD < 1251302153 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I'm just trying to think about the problem in an unusual way < 1251302160 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1251302167 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, it would be more fun if NASA wrote their flight control software in INTERCAL < 1251302184 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be a good way to cut government spending < 1251302201 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first off, a lot more failures -> less launches < 1251302209 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :secondly, every astronaut chickening out -> extra $$$ < 1251302217 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then, just slash the excess budget! < 1251302236 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :et voila! now we can afford the stimulus. :P < 1251302277 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what stimulus? < 1251302307 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: how's your rock this time olf year < 1251302310 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit chilly? < 1251302320 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might wanna uh, crawl out? < 1251302325 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, err. is that innuendo? < 1251302331 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh maybe not < 1251302358 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1251302360 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, AnMaster. economic innuendo. < 1251302370 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, what rock btw? < 1251302379 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all we can't go around with excess innuenSHOT < 1251302390 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the one you live under < 1251302419 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's extracting allt he packages, neato < 1251302440 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, hm wood based house < 1251302456 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no AnMaster < 1251302461 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you live under a rock. < 1251302498 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, well, I guess you could say that when the moon is right above... < 1251302524 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does chroot inherit net connections? < 1251302533 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, mu < 1251302546 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more helpfully? < 1251302556 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, your question doesn't make sense. < 1251302568 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, connections are connected to the programs that opened the sockets < 1251302572 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :answer the one i should have asked, then < 1251302572 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chroot is another program < 1251302580 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, do you mean network settings? < 1251302581 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is not what a net connection means < 1251302589 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copy resolve.conf if you want dns to work in the chroot < 1251302594 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/etc/resolv.conf I meant < 1251302598 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(drop the e) < 1251302605 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is, the second one) < 1251302615 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1: if you meen a pre-existing connection, I think you can pass one into a chroot if it's on an open descriptor when the chroot is created < 1251302624 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it won't have a sensible filename, just a number < 1251302629 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well yes that too < 1251302638 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how easy it'll be to merge the chroot with the vital stuff from the existing system < 1251302644 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, but that is not "inherit" < 1251302649 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to produce a hideous chimera of debian and fucked up debian < 1251302652 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1251302653 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ^ < 1251302664 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, since chroot() doesn't cause fork < 1251302672 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or anything similar at all < 1251302701 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :installing core packages, woop woop < 1251302706 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all working and shiznit < 1251302905 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@130.233.228.12 JOIN :#esoteric < 1251303007 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you like eizo displays right < 1251303042 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, hm? I don't bother about which brand it is. Just if the monitor is good or not < 1251303074 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, and seriously, no current monitor gets even close to the results you can get by printing. Sad but true < 1251303074 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sseem to remember you saying that they were the officially defined standard post for the others < 1251303077 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, in some standard < 1251303104 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I dunno man, H-IPS with that filter thing and automatic colour calibration must come pretty damn close < 1251303109 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from dpi < 1251303130 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course, manual engraving and other simular technologies can get a DPI which is way way higher than anything a printer can manage < 1251303140 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, it isn't only colours and such < 1251303144 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is dpi too < 1251303151 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, dpi is a problem < 1251303164 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, colours is a worse problem though < 1251303168 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eizo has like a 130dpi display iirc, which is depressingly close to the top < 1251303171 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some laptops have 150dpi < 1251303178 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc those ibm ones have lots of dpi < 1251303185 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and are ips < 1251303189 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but perhaps not quite as good ips < 1251303201 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a 600dpi display would be bliss < 1251303222 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, also what I think I said was that NEC monitors are very often used for reference monitors in tests. Guess you could say that is a de facto standard < 1251303227 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i type from an uber-cheap shitty matte TN 7" display with god0awful colours :) < 1251303236 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, I definitely read eizo < 1251303243 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they make the standard or something < 1251303256 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, iirc eizo make some very good ones too. But I don't think I said that about standard < 1251303262 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought you said it, oh well < 1251303275 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the top eizo ones are like $6,000 < 1251303278 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, I want a monitor able to produce any pantone colour. Of course that won't ever be possible < 1251303286 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since that includes glossy/matte and such < 1251303290 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever? < 1251303296 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you really want to commit to "ever" < 1251303297 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@a-75.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1251303305 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, well. maybe not < 1251303311 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can imagine a display that can do both glossy and matte < 1251303318 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, and metal colours? < 1251303321 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, realistic < 1251303333 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, why not, just come up with a metal display < 1251303335 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, like a shiny golden surface that actually looks like gold < 1251303337 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and add it as another layer < 1251303350 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing ridiculously sci-fi, I imagine < 1251303389 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: consider that I think it's possible to make a computer where you can create a glass table, touch it, feel it, and feel it cold < 1251303393 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, and the range. utter black and intense white. Next to each other. With no bleed over < 1251303393 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(through peltier and other stuff) < 1251303397 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that means really intense < 1251303401 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, daylight < 1251303411 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: uhh, you can do that in print? < 1251303414 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not like looking directly into the sun, that would be, err useless < 1251303416 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanna see this magical glowing whiteness < 1251303426 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, err I didn't say that < 1251303436 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't pantone for print < 1251303438 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was talking about my wishes for monitors in general. < 1251303447 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, sure < 1251303452 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think monitors, long-term, suck < 1251303455 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, yes indeed. But pantone is one item in the list. Good light levels is another < 1251303462 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the itme we can do the stuf you want, we should be using VR < 1251303462 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope that makes it clear? < 1251303469 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, yeah :( < 1251303473 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's at hign recently, put something on your lips < 1251303473 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1251303474 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : tounge < 1251303477 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1251303480 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sends signals to youir brain < 1251303482 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :making yous ee things < 1251303489 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :experimental thing like for people who are blind < 1251303492 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read it on engadget recently < 1251303499 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit like that has way morpotential than displays < 1251303501 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1251303517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, anyway, you can't just produce some colours on monitors. I want a very wide gamut monitor, with enough bits per pixel to make it usable for small gamuts too (otherwise you loose details) < 1251303523 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1: it's about 5x6 pixels, but apparently that was enough to let blind people see again (albeit poorly) < 1251303524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe 32 bits per channel per pixel? < 1251303535 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be a slight overkill < 1251303540 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but definitely 16 bits per pixel at least < 1251303544 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1251303548 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :per channel per pixel < 1251303548 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I can't even tell 16bpp from 24bpp < 1251303555 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's bits per pixel, not bits per channel per pixel < 1251303558 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, not with a small gamut duh < 1251303567 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant, for wide gamut monitors < 1251303576 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you're going for large gamuts, go for all the dimensions of colour < 1251303581 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, Adobe RGB Wide Gamut or something < 1251303585 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well as emission, have specular and diffuse reflection too, and shininess < 1251303589 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even full LAB one < 1251303593 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be awesome < 1251303598 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can make part of the screen mirrored, and another half scatter ambient red light but glow blue < 1251303618 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : as well as emission, have specular and diffuse reflection too, and shininess <-- mentioned above. Search for "pantone" < 1251303630 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you don't mean like that < 1251303633 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb phone < 1251303671 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, pantone only does about 2 or 3 channels, you need about 10 to properly describe colour to the precision with which humans see it < 1251303676 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and more still if going for other sorts of vision < 1251303829 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1251304212 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-156-196-239.range86-156.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1251304409 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-6-148.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1251304545 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1251304549 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it installed the base system < 1251304630 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO NEED TO COPY resolv.conf theya re the same < 1251304631 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chroot time < 1251304647 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great success!!!!!! < 1251304659 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1251304662 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'sall there < 1251304703 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey ais523, AnMaster < 1251304708 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :celebrate! < 1251304723 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION considers saying w00t
< 1251304727 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't actually really know what it means < 1251304729 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'd better not < 1251304736 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to be a common celebration, though < 1251304737 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "yay" but stronger < 1251304749 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it originally came from "wow, loot" or something in some game apparently < 1251304762 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, there are lots of conflicting stories of where it comes from < 1251304792 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we owned the other team is what i've heard < 1251304830 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Whoot" was originally more common, I think, so I doubt that one < 1251304833 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other team is the team of not having debian work < 1251304891 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when was originally? < 1251304922 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whenever I first started hearing wh?(oo|00)t < 1251304932 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mid-late 90s? < 1251304933 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apt-get moo works < 1251304936 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^_^ < 1251304949 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm amazed how simple that wAS < 1251304952 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay that was ages before i even had good internets < 1251304981 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"apt-get update" works < 1251304993 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have owned the other team < 1251304996 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically i just need to make sure the hardware will work, then drop this into the above system < 1251305005 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :keeping the bootup code etc < 1251305006 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be pretty catchy < 1251305015 0 :GregorR-L!n=gregor@pal-163-022.itap.purdue.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1251305025 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1251305028 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi GregorR-L < 1251305029 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i stopped beeping! < 1251305031 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool :D < 1251305032 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're doing stuff with arm < 1251305033 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moop. < 1251305037 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i was jus tabout to say XD < 1251305039 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :literally < 1251305046 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right after greg joined < 1251305051 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: why did you start < 1251305057 0 :M0ny!n=Harmony@AToulouse-258-1-77-180.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1251305059 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1251305063 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1251305079 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :caveat: the internet in the debian is slow for some reason < 1251305081 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was reading computational geometry, and i suddenly felt like i was a wave < 1251305085 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i wanted to beep < 1251305087 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on all channels < 1251305090 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like really < 1251305095 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1251305097 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: sounds cool < 1251305105 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1251305127 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i almost fell asleep, tend to get all kindsa weird feelings then < 1251305133 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gawd so slow, is it the us mirror maybe < 1251305194 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :US sucks lawlz < 1251305228 0 :Gracenotes_!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1251305269 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: I've installed a debian chroot inside a mangled debian that runs X11 as root < 1251305274 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it worked first time < 1251305278 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is on ARM, naturally) < 1251305293 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see why it wouldn't *shrugs* < 1251305321 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: you know how it is with el cheapo devices running funky platforms < 1251305338 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, next I'll extract the system replacing its parent < 1251305341 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but keeping the bootup code < 1251305365 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: could you look up the address of the debian mirrorservice mirror? sorry... firefoxv is just painful here < 1251305366 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then just keep doing that over and over again. < 1251305376 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and kinda chicken-and-egg to install w3m < 1251305385 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Xzibit? Is that you? < 1251305396 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..........................???????????????? < 1251305404 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O < 1251305408 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yo dawg < 1251305422 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..........................???????????????? < 1251305432 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/ftp.debian.org/debian/ < 1251305435 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: crawl out frolm under that rock < 1251305444 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like this rock. < 1251305444 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that seems to be a page about it < 1251305447 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's warm and cozy. < 1251305454 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find the actual entry to give to apt < 1251305469 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1251305479 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/ftp.debian.org/debian/sources.list.sample.ukms.txt has the required sources.list entries < 1251305481 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably a subdomain of mirroresrcviceo.org < 1251305491 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: could you copy theo ne for lenny main? < 1251305536 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"deb ftp://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/ftp.debian.org/debian/ sarge main non-free contrib" is the example, I suspect replacing sarge with lenny works < 1251305546 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't include the volatile or security repos, though < 1251305562 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ftp://www.? < 1251305568 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently so < 1251305570 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION slow clap
< 1251305573 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems people have forgotten what the www is for < 1251305582 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for machines,a ctually < 1251305586 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes sense to have one machine for web and ftp < 1251305592 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but really, it's all pointless nowadays < 1251305592 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"deb ftp://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free" should probably also be in the sources.list < 1251305594 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lern2roundrobin < 1251305596 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get security updates < 1251305601 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: all debootstrap does is main < 1251305603 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1251305619 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to start < 1251305621 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :volatile's for stuff like virus scanners, you probably don't care about it < 1251305640 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is that volatile < 1251305643 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quickly updating? < 1251305654 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's things that are updated every few days < 1251305657 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or faster < 1251305670 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't clamav updated multiple times a day? < 1251305678 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prolyl < 1251305686 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder why the net in the chroot is so slow < 1251305696 0 :Gracenotes_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Gracenotes < 1251305696 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :likem, 6301B/s < 1251305706 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1251305707 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :300kb < 1251305707 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1251305755 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaand its uber slow again < 1251305776 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the red network thingy in my bottom right is maxed out < 1251305780 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the host is having the same problemn < 1251305796 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, there wego < 1251305830 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :methinks installign sudo and making a user for myself is the best next step < 1251305843 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh... I clicked "log out", got "You have been automatically logged out due to inactivity, please log in again to proceed" XD < 1251305853 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1251305861 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bet they didn't think of that race condition < 1251305867 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, indeed < 1251305884 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just goes to show why software is utterly impossible to make :) < 1251305891 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1251305900 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just make log out succeed even if not logged in < 1251305902 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, so why is everyone trying so hard? Would it be better to give up? < 1251305927 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, computers have great potential. < 1251305948 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we just need to give up our rabid devotion to backwards compatibility < 1251305962 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like 80% of the work in computing caters to the 20% of dinosaurs < 1251305964 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is interesting is that it special-cased "logged out due to inactivity" from other "not logged in" status < 1251305967 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :statuses* < 1251306010 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact thta computing is largely driven - entirely in fact - by what makes the most money from the uninformed consumer doesn't help < 1251306012 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1251306020 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, you could reduce that to maybe 50/50 by simply dropping x86 < 1251306034 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how come the percentage of dinosaurs grew < 1251306038 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes no sense :P < 1251306038 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not supporting x86 gives a good excuse to break backwards compat < 1251306048 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, err I thought it was 80% dinos < 1251306048 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can't think of any other good reason for it < 1251306054 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, but yeah, to 10% then < 1251306061 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ER RIGHT < 1251306065 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOPS < 1251306068 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no im right < 1251306069 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1251306084 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, ER = e are? < 1251306089 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes I'm right < 1251306090 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :always < 1251306093 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but really, a high-level, single-namespace (no memory/disk distinction), garbage collecting, bignum-supporting, graph-reducing CPU... < 1251306107 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would sacrifice up to seventeen babies. < 1251306117 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, would not be popular with the java programmers. Or most other either < 1251306120 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe eighteen < 1251306121 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah, nice dream < 1251306127 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: nothing stopping me making it < 1251306128 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... the logical next step up would be a really good JITting compiler in hardware, inside the CPU < 1251306131 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not going to happen soon in any case < 1251306132 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, cost? < 1251306133 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can do most of that in FPGAs < 1251306137 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, no, no < 1251306142 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: HIGH-LEVEL chip < 1251306152 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1251306157 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the compiler should be doing parsing, structural optimisations < 1251306163 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, good point < 1251306164 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then writing thato ut almost directly as machine code < 1251306168 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd feed in something like LLVM bytecode < 1251306173 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1251306184 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd feed in something like a simplified version of the language you write apps in < 1251306201 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bridge between the low-level swamp of the cpu and the high-level bliss is one we made up < 1251306206 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks sort-of like decompiled java? < 1251306223 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, what about if you want to use another language. Say, if you are a scientist developing a new, and even better, language < 1251306227 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :much the same but with all the loops replaced with while loops < 1251306228 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no comments < 1251306236 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, it sounds that would run rather slow then? < 1251306241 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: high level loops could make for interesting branch prediction < 1251306245 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1251306250 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: a few things: < 1251306270 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it is tied so directly to a specific high level representation < 1251306272 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one, I don't buy into the distinction between OS and language, and I think the distinction between hardware and OS is a relic < 1251306286 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this stems quite a bit from the fact that I know what can be done if you unify them < 1251306287 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND < 1251306292 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, so you basically suggest vendor lockin < 1251306293 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1251306295 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I don't think programming should be a distinct activity from using < 1251306295 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1: doesn't that imply there's no difference between hardware and language? < 1251306297 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no < 1251306305 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a reasoned arughment < 1251306309 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, yes that is the extrapolation of what you suggested < 1251306316 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1251306322 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: your kernel hsa all sorts of things built into it < 1251306325 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :party, oerjan! < 1251306329 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't consider them vendor lockin < 1251306333 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, yes, but I can run another OS easily on the machine < 1251306335 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while: < 1251306340 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"and I think the distinction between hardware and OS is a relic" < 1251306347 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: norwegian communist party < 1251306350 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like you suggest that shouldn't be possible < 1251306364 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which leads to vendor lock-in < 1251306385 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you know, you have never once adopted a position on computers other than the conservative, I}-think-things-aret-good-how-they-are-no-different-distinctions-and-boundaries-for-me, and you continually use strawman arguments to get to these < 1251306392 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am done with talking to you about them. < 1251306409 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, um. I'm pretty sure I wanted to drop x86 for example. And go for something better < 1251306412 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my attitude is to let ehird do all the groundbreaking research while I work with what's possible right now < 1251306423 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's not any sort of revolutionary attitude < 1251306424 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just < 1251306430 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I'd like a slightly better instruction set < 1251306431 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, can you explain how it is NOT vendor lockin, based on what you said above < 1251306433 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you THINK you want a revolution < 1251306435 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :butw hen it comes to it < 1251306440 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you simply deny all changes < 1251306440 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no < 1251306442 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said I'm done < 1251306444 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I' done. < 1251306455 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the instruction set would map pretty directly to the language < 1251306465 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you parse it, do some structural optimisations, and simplify it a bit < 1251306474 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :translation: ehird realised the flaw I pointed out exists, and won't admit it. < 1251306478 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be perfectly possible to read through the machine code ofa high level application < 1251306492 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you can continue having fun with strawmen all you like, I don't care whaty ou think < 1251306498 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you think I havent considered the issues < 1251306502 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're laughably ignorant < 1251306519 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have, upon reasoned ponderance, decided the issues are not real if viewed with a perspective that produces superirop results < 1251306530 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, yet you refuse to explain them. Trying to avoid the issues. Looks suspicious... < 1251306536 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, I will say this only one more itme, < 1251306563 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have not once accepted an arguhment. you constantly toe the party line of hardware and software, conservative, while claiming to want something better: you don't wabnt something fundamentally better < 1251306568 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just somethign better in the same ballpark < 1251306577 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no amount of hours of arguing will ever change this and i know this from a hurge sample size < 1251306578 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, nice strawman yourself :P < 1251306583 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not interested in this any more < 1251306586 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am done. < 1251306590 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you part of it? < 1251306601 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, indeed a very nice straw man you ended with < 1251306610 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well done. You must feel so proud. < 1251306641 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd ignore AnMaster, but the change wouldn't stick on my other client < 1251306660 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'll just mention it instead, to annoy him < 1251306661 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1251306669 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, I'd ignore you. But that would breal 1/3 of the convos in here < 1251306698 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ah no < 1251306756 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just we're in the middle of the election campaign here < 1251306762 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :part of what < 1251306771 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what will you be voting on? < 1251306774 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although _that_ party stands no chance of getting any seats < 1251306822 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: you part of it? <-- s/t/ty/ < 1251306825 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh communism < 1251306829 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun < 1251306831 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: will you vote for me? < 1251306833 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: already voted < 1251306833 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the _other_ communist party might get a couple < 1251306842 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, the other? < 1251306844 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm < 1251306844 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ah < 1251306847 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what one < 1251306848 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the security updates for lenny < 1251306848 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the election about, anyway? < 1251306852 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't seem to be complete < 1251306854 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no contri]b and non-free < 1251306856 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-51-49.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1251306860 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1: interesting < 1251306862 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there aren't any contri]b and nonfrees security updates are there>? < 1251306866 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the third party which any _american_ would call communist, is what i voted for ;D < 1251306868 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there are < 1251306869 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1: how can I tell? < 1251306877 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: look at the US mirror? < 1251306878 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ond ebian.org < 1251306933 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would it show me? < 1251306933 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1251306935 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i typod < 1251306936 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know where to look < 1251306943 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, security.debian.org, I guess < 1251306946 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i voted in advance, at the library < 1251306952 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in lenny/updates < 1251306973 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: So, socialist? Or just "fairly liberal"? < 1251306976 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "Rødt" might get a couple of seats < 1251306980 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if the leftmost mainstream american party is less left than the rightmost mainstream party in say, the UK or Norway
< 1251306983 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ond ebian.org hm maybe i typod <-- yeah, due to quantum you can never be sure ; < 1251306984 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P* < 1251306987 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :socialist, definitely < 1251306998 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hm ok < 1251306999 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not revolutionary any longer < 1251307008 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you're just making fun of Americans' inability to distinguish socialism from communism then :P < 1251307011 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, som svenska Vänstern? < 1251307034 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: maybe, it's Sosialistisk Venstreparti < 1251307036 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the UK is pretty much to the right of any scandinavian country < 1251307043 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from the lib dems < 1251307043 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, socialdemokrater? < 1251307051 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that would be the labor party < 1251307053 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who are, like, actually sane < 1251307058 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hm right < 1251307059 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1: all the UK parties are all over the place < 1251307061 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(arbeiderpartiet) < 1251307063 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to tell who is to the left or right of who < 1251307065 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and would place center in scandinavia, i think < 1251307073 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, labour is arguably more right-wing than conservative atm < 1251307076 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least on social issues < 1251307078 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not that some americans would not call that communist as well < 1251307079 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1251307085 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You people and your more-than-two-party politics :P < 1251307087 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... I've been voting conservative at every election < 1251307097 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure whether I'd prefer the conservatives or lib dems < 1251307098 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they were, 80 years ago or so) < 1251307098 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd vote lib dem if i could < 1251307098 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, indeed < 1251307111 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in my constituency, the libs have no chance of winning, and I know all about tactical voting < 1251307122 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L, lets see... 7 parties in the Swedish parliament < 1251307131 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I voted Green in the EU elections, though; yay for proportional representation) < 1251307132 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in norway, the conservative side is a shambles now < 1251307140 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a dream about a bizarre sort of ... school class, writing in a US presidential vote < 1251307146 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was sort of like a cavern thing ... anyway, < 1251307153 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who was your write-in vote? < 1251307156 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wrote in dennis kucinich, with joe biden as the vp for some reason < 1251307163 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(we got to choose both, I guess) < 1251307171 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: in the UK, Labour are so unpopular atm that people will vote for more or less anyone to replace them < 1251307187 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: OR WILL THEY WHEN THE CCTV IS WATCHING THEM < 1251307197 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly previously strong labour people are voting for the Liberal Democrats, as they can't stand the thought of voting Conservative < 1251307209 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :conservatives are still right-wing socially < 1251307219 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're just not _completely_ off the deep end yet < 1251307219 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people tend to vote for the Liberals in by-elections a lot, because it means they can vote Liberal without accidentally letting them into power < 1251307224 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, liberal democrats? < 1251307230 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that right or left of labour? < 1251307231 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1251307232 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: the UK's third party < 1251307235 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :left < 1251307237 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1251307237 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :much much left < 1251307240 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1251307240 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: everything's mixed with everything else < 1251307241 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :left < 1251307248 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you people and your three-party-system < 1251307253 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't make sense with less than 5 < 1251307255 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1251307260 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but the lib dems want to abolish winner-takes-all voting, for chrissake < 1251307261 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although labour are so right-wing atm, it would be hard for the liberals to be even further right < 1251307262 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody wants to do that < 1251307272 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1: the libs do, as it would give them a better chance of getting in < 1251307280 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: er, no, (wrt right wing) < 1251307282 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see the US < 1251307292 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1: I mean, for a UK political party < 1251307295 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the democrats are to the right of labour and conservative < 1251307303 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from CCTV < 1251307311 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where they're positively hippie communists < 1251307313 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the BNP manage to be to the right of labour, but I don't think you'd get many votes over there in the UK < 1251307318 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are intentionally confusing me right? < 1251307326 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the bnp finished 5th in the recent european elections < 1251307328 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't they < 1251307340 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The BNP are pretty awful, btw: everyone hates them due to their immigration policies, and their other policies are pretty bad too) < 1251307352 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1: yes, they advertised heavily in a couple of areas and got two seats out of it, the same as the Greens < 1251307363 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAICT, they want to make Britain into a police state < 1251307364 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bnp is just a party of nationalist racist fucks without any unifying policy apart from "we hate other people" < 1251307368 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sort of advertise that openly < 1251307379 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, at least they're honest < 1251307386 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, they claim not to be racist. < 1251307392 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, i remember a ukip tv ad recently < 1251307395 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they never once mentioned bnp < 1251307399 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it was hinted at all the itme < 1251307401 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :choice quote - < 1251307419 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"[despite supporting our racistp olicies,] don't be swayed into voting for an extremist party" < 1251307428 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...so I agreed with him. I won't vote for ukip! < 1251307435 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ukip is who you vote for if you like the BNP's general position on the political spectrum, but hate their actual policies < 1251307445 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, their policies are basically identical < 1251307451 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1: norway used to have winner-takes-all voting, until the labor party came about and the other parties swiftly changed it because they would be wiped out otherwise... < 1251307452 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UKIP is sort of like BNP except smiling instead of shouting < 1251307455 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately, such people are probably quite hard to come across; I'd much sooner vote UKIP than BNP, though, but I'm very unlikely to vote either < 1251307460 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also about 80 years ago) < 1251307464 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1: does the UKIP have their own private police force? < 1251307472 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do the bnp? < 1251307473 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which the real police have to follow around to make sure it doesn't get out of hand? < 1251307475 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1: apparently < 1251307476 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's awesome! :P < 1251307478 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(when it was communist) < 1251307493 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to start the People's Communist Party of Russia < 1251307495 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a UK party < 1251307497 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I doubt the UKIP is as rabidly in favour of conscription even outside wartime as the BNP is < 1251307507 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I feel to play a snes game. Which should I pick: Secret of Mana or Zelda: A link to the past? < 1251307509 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we support nationalising everything into the russian government < 1251307513 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1251307539 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone? < 1251307548 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you gave it 32 seconds, dude < 1251307558 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zelda sucks, pick SoM < 1251307562 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, well yeah, I'm going to have to decide myself soon < 1251307568 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: whut < 1251307571 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you just say zelda sucks < 1251307572 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, zelda doesn't suck, so discarding that... < 1251307579 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both the mentioned games are good < 1251307581 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION attempts to install w3m to load the security archive page
< 1251307585 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just can't decide which one atm < 1251307595 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gawd, is so slow < 1251307602 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20% package luist scanned < 1251307604 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after seconds < 1251307608 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this takes <1s on my desktop < 1251307612 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never liked the Zelda games much < 1251307613 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 20% package luist scanned < 1251307614 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stutpid 500mhz arm < 1251307616 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :luist? < 1251307620 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :list < 1251307621 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :package lust < 1251307624 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a gay operating system < 1251307630 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Packages are male? < 1251307632 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it lusts for package. < 1251307642 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: ahem < 1251307643 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :package < 1251307646 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, nah they are lesbian < 1251307648 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right < 1251307653 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"package" < 1251307672 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, unaware of that euphemism < 1251307673 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what, i should check the security pageson my iphonwe < 1251307679 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on account of it not making me want to shoot things < 1251307687 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well then I'll discard your opinion. Since clearly it is too far from my own < 1251307693 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you hate zelda < 1251307702 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: rand() < 1251307728 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, you know, the magic is that debian's actually buzzing along happily in its chroot < 1251307734 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, or zelda oot in mupen64plus? < 1251307736 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why ask people for differing opinions if you're going to ignore them :-P < 1251307736 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :h < 1251307737 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm* < 1251307738 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just need to surgically extractit < 1251307740 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help < 1251307740 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool < 1251307748 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show < 1251307748 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo reverb rev rot13 rev2 fib wc ul cho choo pow2 source help hw srmlebac uenlsbcmra scramble unscramble < 1251307761 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait bool doesn't work when selecting between three < 1251307762 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :computers are fun, despite sucking < 1251307762 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1251307764 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am quite a fan of them < 1251307780 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes it does < 1251307784 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 = two bits < 1251307793 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so do two bools < 1251307871 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, that gives four choices, what if I get the fourth one, clearly it can't be assigned to any of the other choices, that would be unfair < 1251307875 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"retry"? < 1251307876 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reroll < 1251307880 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1251307889 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming a uniform distribution it's still random < 1251307890 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, that has a worst case of infinite time < 1251307898 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, it does. < 1251307907 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does continuing your tedious conversation < 1251307912 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1251307912 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu < 1251307912 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you're doing it < 1251307913 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, :D < 1251307914 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1251307924 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I decided with a local program < 1251307930 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's secret of mana < 1251307934 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, boehm gc needs /proc/stat < 1251307943 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :silly boehm, /procs are for ... kids? < 1251307951 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, bind mount /proc in the chroot < 1251307971 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: how, I don't have man < 1251307976 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i have the man pages, I think < 1251307988 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1 or just mount it... < 1251308002 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, i could use the child's manpages < 1251308004 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1251308010 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mount -t proc proc /path/to/chroot/proc < 1251308013 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would work < 1251308013 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1251308022 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mount --bind /proc /path/to/chroot/proc < 1251308023 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well < 1251308026 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it isn't mounted < 1251308030 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mount /proc worked. < 1251308034 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from inside < 1251308042 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, if it is in fstab it would work < 1251308054 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1, you might need to mount /dev too for other stuff < 1251308055 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and /sys < 1251308068 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yuh < 1251308088 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /dev is already there < 1251308093 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mounted sys though < 1251308106 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how, todo: < 1251308108 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*now < 1251308111 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :check security thing < 1251308113 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :upgrade everything < 1251308118 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :add user after installign sudo < 1251308122 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: obviously it is impossible to get something with exactly 1/3 probability from a finite sequence of uniformly independent random bits < 1251308171 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hm true < 1251308178 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you only get spaces of size 2^n, and no subset can contain a third of those points < 1251308191 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think the armel port doesn't get binary security updates < 1251308193 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well! < 1251308205 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the proof was totally needed.) < 1251308211 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1251308212 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm right, i misthought < 1251308228 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, fun time soon < 1251308234 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when we tackle the booting < 1251308246 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and surgically extract the child debian < 1251308265 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you don't need special drivers for console and keyboard right? even on arm) < 1251308278 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i guess it has the sata or whatever drivers built in? < 1251308286 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, that's in the kernel right < 1251308287 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1251308294 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'll need to install a kernel or use the existing one < 1251308389 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they need to develop a sata2 protocol, and then a sata3 < 1251308417 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that after a while, people can was what satan is up to < 1251308424 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+ask < 1251308442 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a sata2 :P < 1251308448 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i think sata3 is being worked on < 1251308453 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1251308474 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :next we need the sant protocol < 1251308479 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and name it alphabetically in reverse < 1251308482 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :santz, santy, ... < 1251308514 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"chroot /debian su ehird" works < 1251308517 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :squee < 1251308527 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sudo works < 1251308680 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so who's bored enough to take a look at the bootup system with me < 1251308773 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh eh eh < 1251308776 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523? :P < 1251308802 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1: that isn't even worth answering < 1251308809 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: whyever not < 1251308820 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, why are you running a chroot, rather than just replacing the OS? < 1251308882 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: because a chroot is easy to get working first, and I don't think debian has the bootup code < 1251308903 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm getting it working (done), then extracting it into the upper system < 1251308906 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :overwriting it < 1251308910 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but keeping the bootup stuff < 1251309183 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so! I think that the three pertinent files are /linuxrc, /config.data and /splash.bmp < 1251309192 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think linuxrc contains the kernel, it's certainly a binray of some sort < 1251309196 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*binary < 1251309200 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a .bmp file in the root directory? < 1251309202 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1251309232 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes. it is the bootup splash screen < 1251309249 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"UBISURFER: The Ubiquitous Surfer" < 1251309251 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very catchy. < 1251309252 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should have found somewhere else to put it < 1251309267 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like where < 1251309270 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :semper ubi sub ubi < 1251309328 0 :oklokok!n=oklopol@a91-153-117-223.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1251309549 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1251309594 0 :ehird2!n=root@91.105.65.31 JOIN :#esoteric < 1251309602 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did I miss? < 1251309626 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing < 1251309643 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :«18:52:34» {oerjan} semper ubi sub ubi < 1251309645 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :«18:53:32» « join » {oklokok} {n=oklopol@a91-153-117-223.elisa-laajakaista.fi} < 1251309647 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :«18:57:14» « quit » {ehird1} {n=root@91.105.65.31} Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1251309649 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :«18:57:58» « join » {ehird2} {n=root@91.105.65.31} < 1251309651 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :«18:58:06» {ehird2} what did I miss? < 1251309654 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got the ubi thing < 1251309656 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I fingerpoken and mittengrabben and did "./linuxrc" < 1251309661 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a terminal < 1251309669 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it went to teh desktop for a second as X died < 1251309673 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it displayed the splash < 1251309677 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and went through normal bootup < 1251309690 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, it appears almost instantly after pressing the power button < 1251309690 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1251309695 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is the first thing displayed on screen < 1251309696 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't realise kernels were executable... < 1251309703 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I gather that /linuxrc is at least the kernel < 1251309709 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and perhaps the bootup < 1251309717 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they aren't usually, I don't think < 1251309725 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, a name ending 'rc' normally indicates a config file < 1251309728 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm scared that running it in rootspace somehow put it in kernelspace < 1251309733 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is one weird setup < 1251309747 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's used by initramfs for the same purpose or skdjfghnfkjghbndfsk\jhdfkg whatever < 1251309756 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm going to install a kernel package in debian < 1251309765 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and see if it makes a similar file < 1251309775 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, we need to retrofit this debian on to that kernel < 1251309823 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is fun :) < 1251309940 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1251309998 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what a bizarre kernel that executing it in userspace resets the system to it... < 1251310041 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly what I was thinking < 1251310049 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does running file on it say? < 1251310079 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird2: linuxrc is ran before init, if booting from an initramfs. < 1251310087 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't *have* file, but I'll install it in debian and run it outside of the chroot < 1251310096 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: then where would my kernel be? < 1251310101 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I'll ask /sys/kernel < 1251310104 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/boot/ < 1251310134 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Doesn't exist, man. < 1251310149 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then your kernel does not exist. < 1251310156 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION considers using a Feather-OS, and hotswapping init
< 1251310163 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and getting a different set of services that have been running all along < 1251310192 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You assumec x86. < 1251310286 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine, then. /vmlinux ? < 1251310301 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1251310306 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hint: It's /linuxrc. < 1251310317 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's not. < 1251310323 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know this because I executed it and it reset my system with a splash screen. < 1251310330 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: you are wrong because this is not initramfs < 1251310334 0 :oklofok!n=oklopol@a91-153-117-223.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1251310343 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: but fine, do point me to the kernel < 1251310348 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird2, the Linux kernel itself is not executable. < 1251310349 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, is it in ROM? :P < 1251310364 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unless you're using UML?) < 1251310367 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird2: incidentally, my guess was right; my arm-linux toolchain is /exactly/ 8 levels deep in the directory hierarchy < 1251310410 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :No route to host < 1251310422 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i'll ask file what linuxrc is < 1251310443 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An ELF file. < 1251310462 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/linuxrc is just /sbin/init for lamers. < 1251310491 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yes < 1251310507 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Hmm, does Linux try /sbin/init, then /linuxrc? < 1251310512 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION half-expects it to be a.out format, given how weird this system seems to be
< 1251310524 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, elf < 1251310525 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Something like that, I don't recall *shrugs* < 1251310533 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird2: stripped? for the right CPU? < 1251310540 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can i find out where my kernel is? < 1251310545 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes < 1251310548 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Ask your bootloader. < 1251310550 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :statically linked < 1251310552 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno abou tstripped < 1251310562 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: I don't have one, THIS IS A FUCKED UP ARM PLATFORM < 1251310568 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird2: it would be so spectacularly great if you could run it under gdb < 1251310571 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I could just go oh hey grub whatcha booting don't you think I would < 1251310577 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think it's juwst init < 1251310581 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd explain how it can run in userspace < 1251310586 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what gdb /sbin/init would do
< 1251310593 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but doesn't dare try it < 1251310615 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird2: A) every ARM platform I've ever used has had a bootloader, but then they haven't been "fucked up", B) if you don't have a bootloader to read the kernel from a disk of some kind, then the kernel /must/ be burnt to PROM. < 1251310618 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I have two inits running < 1251310625 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it ... nested? < 1251310632 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION 's mind is blown
< 1251310632 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1251310646 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird2: ok, that is mindblowing < 1251310677 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1251310683 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would it be worth more or less permanently breaking your system by putting init in your init.d < 1251310685 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: It boots up immediately into the splash screen that /linuxrc gives < 1251310687 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no key does anything < 1251310689 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and creating an init forkbomb? < 1251310695 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I can't find any relevant files < 1251310697 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so /shrug < 1251310698 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no :P < 1251310700 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1251310703 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: That just means it's a very boring bootloader ;) < 1251310705 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's find my kernel < 1251310708 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's gotta know where it is < 1251310715 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: so i can't ask it :P < 1251310718 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely linux knows where itself is < 1251310723 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1251310734 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: how do i ask it then < 1251310737 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there is a bootloader, then Linux certainly doesn't know where it came from. < 1251310754 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if there isn't, well, at some point it must have made it into memory, so it's detached from its original location. < 1251310797 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In short: Poke around until you (don't?) get lucky, because /sys is not your friend in this case :P < 1251310807 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, idea: you know how RAM loses its data when it's turned off? < 1251310825 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's probably some way to make it go specifically to 0, or to 1, at power-down < 1251310829 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR-L: Worst-case, I just implant the debian ignoring the kernel < 1251310832 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have it use the existing one < 1251310835 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, you could have a system which just starts with RAM in a particular state < 1251310841 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other words, it loads up already booted < 1251310845 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like unhibernating, but even faster < 1251310860 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1251310870 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1251310895 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm,w ait < 1251310896 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys < 1251310899 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HAVE init < 1251310902 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it starts init < 1251310906 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the plot thickens < 1251310912 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :linuxrc can't be an init replacement < 1251310916 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i have both < 1251310920 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you say to that pikhq?! < 1251310921 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and init is a different binary, not a symlink or hardlink/ < 1251310929 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i just start init it tells me it's busybox init and sits there < 1251310931 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing nothing < 1251310941 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's /sbin/init < 1251310954 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :proc 1'scmdline says init < 1251310957 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's being used < 1251310972 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know that init never actually starts; it sort-of platonically comes into being < 1251310994 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't loaded, it just gets created in an already-loaded form < 1251311056 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so anyone know where my kernel might be? pikhq, wise guy? :P < 1251311157 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: jackpot? < 1251311170 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /lib/arm-linux-gnueabi < 1251311241 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, is a folder < 1251311254 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an emoty one < 1251311256 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :empty < 1251311258 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck. < 1251311345 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :No route to host < 1251311415 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1251311477 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: will any logs or dmesg point you think? < 1251311498 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows? < 1251311532 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1251311605 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1251311681 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wtf there aer other pratitionsw < 1251311817 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"no such device or address" if i try and mount em >_< < 1251311852 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is ridiculous < 1251311860 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many places can you hide a kernel < 1251312036 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: armv5tejl with gnueabi < 1251312039 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is what this kernel is < 1251312048 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wherever it is... < 1251312134 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: this arch seems to require softare emulation of floats, heh < 1251312453 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1251312491 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1251312495 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1251312642 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION backs up system to sd card
< 1251312645 0 :oklopol!n=oklopol@dsl-tkubrasgw1-feb0df00-6.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1251312737 0 :Azstal!n=asztal@host86-172-4-174.range86-172.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1251312752 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1251313072 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sd cards are slow < 1251313078 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1251313169 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1251313426 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1251313661 0 :oklokok!n=oklopol@84.248.153.14 JOIN :#esoteric < 1251313692 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1251314168 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird2: found your kernel yet? < 1251314186 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: backing up to the SD, slowly < 1251314192 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I'll perform intensive surgery < 1251314192 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, very strange that someone would mknod partitions that don't exist < 1251314201 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1251314210 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's as if, why bother? < 1251314235 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they also made /mnt directories for sda,sda1,sdb,sdb1,sdc,sdc1 < 1251314240 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite that having no relation to the partitions < 1251314243 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all /dev/sda* < 1251314290 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like kafka, the linux distribution < 1251314312 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1251314328 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it has processes < 1251314335 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and bugs < 1251314336 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the verdict of the trial is that you're to be left alone with your root account and it < 1251314345 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you will inevitably enact your own punishment upon yourself < 1251314367 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bad news is, it turns _you_ into a bug if you leave it on overnight < 1251314386 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should mash up all of kafka's books together < 1251314397 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hideous monster beetle on trial for ... something to do with amerika < 1251314412 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, all lovecraft < 1251314414 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make it slapstick < 1251314424 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cthulhu in your face < 1251314425 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hey Cthulhu! Not lookin' so unique now, are we? Ha. ha. ha." < 1251314437 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Shut up." < 1251314442 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cthulhu! the musical! < 1251314445 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Heyy, court's starting!" < 1251314448 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: <3 < 1251314462 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be so perfect < 1251314466 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably atonal music < 1251314472 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooo < 1251314474 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jolly broadway < 1251314480 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cthulhu fhtagn! cthulhu fhtagn! < 1251314485 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :means no worries for the rest of your days? < 1251314520 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your very, very short days < 1251314535 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cthulhulives.org/musical/cdinfo.html < 1251314546 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is nothing new under the sun < 1251314561 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird2: on the other hand, I'd imagine you'd be full of worries < 1251314562 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay wait, kafka+cthulhu+bat boy < 1251314566 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it must be done < 1251314571 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you got my reference right. < 1251314596 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right? :P < 1251314614 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not < 1251314652 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1251314758 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1251314868 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: :( < 1251314870 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was quite good < 1251314875 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also very famous < 1251315445 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate icons < 1251315949 0 :ehird_!n=ehird@91.105.81.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1251315979 0 :ehird1!n=root@91.105.81.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1251316007 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d'i miss qantfhing? < 1251316014 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from "probably not" < 1251316022 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1: yes, but you said it < 1251316032 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1251316033 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing said by anyone else < 1251316036 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, ehird_ joined < 1251316048 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qantfhing the horrible < 1251316377 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fjkbndbkgdjbhnfkgjnbdfjklbnfkgjhbfnfdjklghbndnjkgbnldfkgnjbghldfkgjbngsjkldfbnerilughbnseruighnhjbierudfjfjghiwerujkgjgnfhiwerulfioklrfhuiojklrfwedhrrsdgryhsdlghgsdswerdfghgsg < 1251316504 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can say that again. but probably not without cutting and pasting. < 1251316697 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so slow < 1251316770 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :time dilation gets you every time < 1251316791 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you stay perfectly motionless < 1251316803 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then you may have other problems < 1251316816 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dfdf < 1251316966 0 :oklopol!n=oklopol@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe99f800-14.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1251316986 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1251316987 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ehird < 1251316992 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1251317168 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1251317381 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 148 (No route to host) < 1251317606 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is getting annoying < 1251317789 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1251318137 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moop foop buzzingdoop < 1251318308 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a boop noop goop < 1251318672 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1251318701 0 :oklopol!n=oklopol@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe99f800-14.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1251319613 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1251319655 0 :oklopol!n=oklopol@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe99f800-14.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1251319889 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1251319910 0 :oklopol!n=oklopol@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe99f800-14.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1251320028 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1251321052 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1251321103 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1251322090 0 :M0ny!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1251322173 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bjbjjhbbjhbjhjhbjbh < 1251322177 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird < 1251322179 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehired < 1251322181 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird < 1251322391 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etired < 1251322454 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1251322455 0 :cmeme!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1251322455 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1251322455 0 :nescience!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1251322455 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1251322499 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1251322499 0 :cmeme!n=cmeme@boa.b9.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1251322499 0 :dbc!n=daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1251322499 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1251322499 0 :nescience!n=myndzi@70-58-88-38.tukw.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1251322517 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1251323242 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wdcnejruidfkgvnrtgntjkrnetjhbghn34tgnrkjhrkbghnerbnkbnjktrybnktj34nbjkrlgjkghbntkljbn < 1251323245 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"mi co'a sipna" < 1251323364 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1: wow, you actually managed to spell that correctly < 1251323389 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nkep < 1251323437 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1251323455 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copying all of / including /dev /mnt a nd /proc < 1251323461 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a good idea?a < 1251323517 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1251323541 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: qi have a feeling such files are stalling this backup < 1251323547 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1251323562 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably waiting on stdin < 1251323589 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I made that mistake on normish, when I tried to scp /var/www) < 1251323589 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: should i \6c\/ < 1251323593 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^c < 1251323601 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :may as well < 1251323604 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wsant stdin btw < 1251323618 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but it has been going since about 7\;30pm < 1251323690 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(= < 1251323711 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehh < 1251323722 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just cp /dev/hd /mnt/sd < 1251323735 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foolproof < 1251323753 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? < 1251323766 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the hd smaller than the sd? < 1251323787 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll check < 1251323806 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: alas, tens of megabytes bigger < 1251323827 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but not all used ofc < 1251323866 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: fses wont store at the end of a hd will they? < 1251323867 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using tar will probably work better, then < 1251323872 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was invented for that purpose, more or less < 1251323895 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but you fail to realise how colossally SLOW this thing is < 1251323900 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the copying took hours just to copy 300mb < 1251323902 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :literal < 1251323905 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiple hours < 1251323912 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :backing up may be impossible in a reasonable timeframe, then < 1251324002 0 :ehird_!n=ehird@91.105.91.102 JOIN :#esoteric < 1251324064 0 :ehird2!n=root@91.105.91.102 JOIN :#esoteric < 1251324076 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what dvivlast say < 1251324076 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@a-61.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1251324080 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatd you last see < 1251324125 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION decides to use a usb sdtick instead
< 1251324127 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ? < 1251324136 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : backing up may be impossible in a reasonable timeframe, then < 1251324143 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : multiple hours < 1251324168 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to try a usb stick, which should be bigger and faster than SD cards < 1251324205 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after that? < 1251324209 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ruthless OS surgery time. < 1251324213 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'ma pimp this debian up. < 1251324241 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why this thing comes with a chess prorgam. < 1251324247 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't exactly scream "netbook". < 1251324361 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is chess anti-netbookish? < 1251324410 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv: well, you have, like < 1251324412 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :web browser < 1251324415 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :email < 1251324415 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chat < 1251324417 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1251324418 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chess < 1251324425 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1251324428 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :word processor < 1251324430 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spreadsheet < 1251324434 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :photo gallery < 1251324437 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :music player < 1251324460 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of doesn't fit in, you know? odd for something that's primarily marketed as "You can get on the internet anywhere" < 1251324475 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esp when strapped for disk space < 1251324509 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, i think there is consumer demand for always at least some kind of game/solitaire entertainment and chess is probably what they thought was the lightest and easiest to add, so it seems reasonable to me < 1251324615 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but im pretty ignorant about the general netbook scene, i find full-size laptops to be unusably small to begin with :( < 1251324617 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv: are you confusing notebooks and netbooks, perhaps? < 1251324623 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1251324637 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chess seems trivial even within the context of netbook storage constaints < 1251324650 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really don't think the target market of this thing overlaps much with the group of people who would like a chess game alongside their internet-based + computing staples stuff < 1251324651 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if at all < 1251324659 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just seems odd to me < 1251324661 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more likely to be speed that's the sticking point with netbook chess, not anything else < 1251324664 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solitaire I'd understand < 1251324681 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone loves solitaire, it's trivial to play casually and it's in accessories menus everywhere < 1251324690 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and chess is standard on both Windows and Ubuntu nowadays < 1251324702 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't see a lot of people going around the place, catching up with friends and family and then having a nice in-depth game of chess with the computer, you know? < 1251324705 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nah, my apple ][ chess programs from the 80s were plenty good to beat anyone who doesnt actually *care* about chess < 1251324711 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sure, but ubuntu comes with all sorts of games < 1251324761 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then this thing's browser works by sending compressed screenshots of IE running on servers that proxies your interaction to the page with the server < 1251324769 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird2: /screenshots/? < 1251324769 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's clearly some sort of altered mind state involved < 1251324775 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes < 1251324777 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do they handle, say, links? < 1251324780 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and JS? < 1251324786 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would have thought compressed HTML would work better < 1251324800 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they advertise java support < 1251324810 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, rendering and JS in firefox on this thing are dog slow < 1251324815 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: links, you click one and it works < 1251324819 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird2: you arent actually serious in what you just said are you? it doesnt actually run a web browser on remote servers, does it? < 1251324820 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it proxies all mouse events, except < 1251324825 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you click a text field < 1251324829 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get a gtk text field < 1251324832 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which after confirming < 1251324837 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :goes back to the server's windows text field < 1251324838 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv: yes. < 1251324842 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv: with active-c < 1251324846 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :active-x < 1251324848 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shit you not < 1251324864 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, i am clearly way behind the times, that sounds totally insane < 1251324864 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am tempted to, ahem, root one of them thar boxen. < 1251324872 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv: don't worry, it is < 1251324905 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like you can be very confident about the privacy of your web browsing, definitely. < 1251324933 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think they saw opera mini, which proxies all requests but then simply pre-layoutises and parses the HTML, compresses the images, and shoves it back in a hyper-compressed format -- a perfectly sane model -- and misunderstood it entirely when they saw compression artifacts on the images < 1251324953 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1251324956 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1251324956 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ehird < 1251324959 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye bye ehird1 < 1251324962 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ehird < 1251324983 0 :ehird2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1251325218 0 :ehird1!n=root@91.105.91.102 JOIN :#esoteric < 1251325229 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pressed control and del by mistake < 1251325230 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt < 1251325232 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did i miss < 1251325251 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also mycroftiv i'm replacing the OS, wihch runs everything as root, includi8ng X, with a more sane debian < 1251325255 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 minutes of brilliant science < 1251325262 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sincei t's a crazy debian-based ARM thingy, this is non trivial < 1251325263 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1: i.e. nothing < 1251325264 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :conducted telepathically < 1251325269 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've made a chroot debian < 1251325282 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i need to surgically extract it into the host < 1251325288 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :keeping the host booting code playing nicely with it < 1251325296 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after backing up my current system on here for when i fuck things up < 1251325360 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the sdas are for usb sticks. < 1251325366 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1251325412 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish the fucking usb stick would stop blinking at me < 1251325416 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. I know you are there. < 1251325420 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop distracting me < 1251325428 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does cp on devices work < 1251325439 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or will i have to do cat /dev/root >/mnt/sda1/foo < 1251325463 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, I'll try < 1251325477 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I can mount this directly afterwards when it's done, right? < 1251325480 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, loop or whatever < 1251325481 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mouint < 1251325483 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mount < 1251325488 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1251325511 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and cp on devices doesn't work, it copies the device not its contents < 1251325522 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, df tells me about /dev/root. which doesn't exist < 1251325530 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just fills me with confidence < 1251325559 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd put debian on the usb stick, 'cept i doubt the booter will agree < 1251325623 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : pressed control alt del by mistake // how does one accomplish this feat? :P < 1251325659 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: will writing to the disk while this cat runs break shit < 1251325665 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1: who knows? < 1251325669 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess so, but my system obviously doesnt know tht < 1251325670 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1251325675 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: cleverly < 1251325689 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait a sec, why am i even bothering with this, i can just move stuff to a subdirectory < 1251325693 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION facepalms slightly
< 1251325698 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION lets it run anyway
< 1251325705 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GregorR: but really, by playing with keys < 1251325706 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird1: is that like, balancing your hand on your head gently? < 1251325722 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's a facepalm, but you only do the 4th dimensional bits < 1251325725 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the other 3 < 1251325731 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically you do nothing for a second < 1251325733 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1251325805 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :26mb backed up already, fuck this shit for now < 1251325889 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, righmt < 1251325901 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to examine /debian < 1251325927 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1251325934 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know that linuxrc will execute /sbin/init < 1251325947 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that should work < 1251325970 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: theoretically this should all work fine < 1251325979 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shall I risk it? < 1251325998 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea < 1251325999 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worst case this thing is bricked until i can open it up and get at the HD < 1251326011 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's go for it < 1251326021 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, first, time to relocate the existing system to a meager subdirectory < 1251326042 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1251326055 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surprisingly, moving /lib doesn't break things. < 1251326107 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It shouldn't break anything that's already running, but moving anything else after you've done that would probably be tough .. < 1251326120 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, commands are still executing. < 1251326138 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, when I move /usr/lib I can just set LD_LIBRARY_PATH. < 1251326198 0 :ehird1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1251326198 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but /lib contains /lib/ld-linux.so :P < 1251326207 0 :GregorR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haw < 1251326631 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1251326931 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-172-4-174.range86-172.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1251327909 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1251328454 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1251328907 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1251328907 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection