00:11:17 -!- int-e has quit ("leaving"). 00:17:30 "You almost certainly have a virus and should reinstall your operating system." 00:17:30 "Blaming that guy's link is a lot easier than reinstalling my OS." 00:17:30 "So is jacking off in the USB port, but if there is a problem, neither of those things is going to fix it." 00:17:31 — reddit 00:28:49 -!- adam_d has quit ("Leaving"). 00:36:49 -!- CESSMASTER has joined. 00:42:25 -!- ehird has quit. 00:45:16 -!- Pthing has quit (Remote closed the connection). 01:05:02 -!- ehird has joined. 01:09:11 http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10594014 THIS IS WHY YOU SHOULD NEVER SHOUT ON THE INTERNET 01:19:21 sensible people avoid caps entirely, you know 01:22:02 -!- Sgeo has joined. 01:25:41 I'LL POP A CAPITAL LETTER IN YO ASS 01:25:56 ouch 01:26:44 typedef struct i{struct i*n;}i;i*h;push(i*i){i->n=h;h=i;}i*pop(){i*t;t=h;h=h->n;return t;} 01:26:49 ehird, are you referring to the story of the woman who was fired for using capital letters? 01:26:58 Sgeo: see logs. 01:27:32 yep 01:27:38 no, in reply to oerjan 01:27:40 but indirectly, yes. 01:28:23 Deewiant: stop commenting on reddit, you make my brain's look-at-reddit-names-and-pattern-match engine run 01:28:28 it's computationally intensive 01:28:32 and takes ages to quit 01:29:12 just like reddit's javascript 01:29:54 oerjan: that would be IE's fault. 01:29:58 protip: stop using IE 01:30:04 ah. 01:30:44
01:30:45 ↑ THIS IS YOUR FAULT :- 01:30:45 :-P 01:30:49 i've mostly given up expanding loading comment subthreads with more than a handful of comments. although that is not _necessarily_ a bad thing. 01:31:07 *-expanding 01:32:06 * ehird stabs oerjan repeatedly with the Ancient Staff of http://www.google.com/chrome 01:32:16 I AM STABBING YOU 01:32:21 ouch 01:32:35 my splanch 01:33:10 YOUR SPLANCH WILL HURT UNTIL YOU STOP EVERY PERSON WHO HAS EVER MADE ANYTHING FOR THE WEB HURTING 01:33:18 ALSO ANYONE WHO HAS EVER READ ABOUT IE'S RENDERING MODEL 01:33:38 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splanch IS AN ODD THING TO HURT 01:33:56 indeed, it's actually an iwc reference 01:34:15 I WAS THINKING THAT "SPLANCH" WAS A VEGETABLE IN NORWEIGAN OR SOMETHING 01:34:21 *NORWEGIAN 01:34:29 NOW DO YOU WANT TO STOP HURTING OR NOT 01:34:31 no. norwegian uses very little c's. 01:34:37 *YOUR SPLANCH TO STOP HURTING 01:34:51 as well as h's at the end of words 01:35:30 spinach is spinat, for example 01:36:06 STOP TALKING YOU CANNOT TALK COHERENTLY BECAUSE I AM STABBING YOU 01:36:27 ok i will not be of the at in the future 01:36:41 coherentlywise 01:37:02 DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT I AM STABBING YOU WITH? IT IS THE ANCIENT STAFF OF http://www.google.com/chrome 01:37:32 i summon GregorR to help me, as he is against all things chrome 01:37:54 http://firefox.com/ 01:38:02 NOBODY IS AGAINST CUTE RED PANDAS 01:38:04 ARGH MY SKIN 01:38:19 http://codu.org/chromates.jpg LOOK WHAT YOU'VE DONE TO ME 01:38:29 GregorR: sorry, rub some firefox/red panda all over you 01:38:34 that'll help 01:38:40 also, why did I click that having seen it before? 01:39:01 Hahaha 01:39:05 i didn't click, remembering having been wise enough not to click it before 01:39:18 BUT CLICKING http://firefox.com/ IS NEVER A BAD IDEA! 01:39:34 HMM 01:39:52 IF YOU USE IE, SOME OF GREGOR'S JAVASCRIPT FUNTIMES LIKE THE CPU EMULATORS MIGHT NOT WORK!!! 01:39:57 SURELY THAT WOULD CONVINCE ANYWONE 01:39:58 ... 01:39:59 ANYONE, ALSO 01:40:06 i shall have to hunt down and kill ehird in a painful way for his horrible strong opinions, now 01:40:23 I kindly suggest that you try alternate browsers such as Google Chrome or Firefox! 01:40:39 What about Konqueror or Epiphany? 01:40:58 Or zzo's browser, Conqueror (I think) 01:41:04 Sgeo: konqueror is shit 01:41:13 Vonkeror? 01:41:14 and not really available for windows 01:41:19 epiphany is only available for Gnome 01:41:19 oerjan, yes 01:41:23 and uses WebKit anyway 01:41:37 ehird, I'd still consider those alternate browsers 01:41:38 Vonkeror is zzo's awful, awful modification of Conkeror, which is based on firefox but uses keyboard shortcuts 01:41:40 instead of buttons 01:41:45 Sgeo: you fail at reading. 01:42:56 my task, clearly, is to keep using awful solutions so as to help with ehird's anger therapy 01:42:59 ehird, "such as" does not imply that the options you provided are the only options 01:43:27 Sgeo: Yes; in addition, "alternate browsers" does not necessarily mean all alternate browsers. 02:21:06 -!- MizardX has quit ("reboot"). 02:25:23 -!- jix_ has joined. 02:25:52 -!- oklofok has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 02:26:41 -!- MizardX has joined. 02:38:01 -!- jix has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 02:46:36 -!- Pthing has joined. 02:53:21 "Researchers developing OLEDs as cheap as newspapers?" 02:53:23 ^_^;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; 02:53:25 My heart warms. 03:03:32 -!- oklofok has joined. 03:11:02 Hello oklofok. 03:11:07 Have you heard about JESUS? 03:11:34 you mean madonna's boyfriend? 03:11:48 He is EVERYONE's boyfriend 03:11:51 Because he LOVES EVERYONE 03:12:02 hm won't madonna be pissed about that 03:12:30 no he's very polyamorous. 03:15:16 hm i must have imagined it, wikipedia's article on madonna does not contain the word "jesus" 03:15:49 That's because the article for EVERY person would say Jesus! 03:16:17 true 03:16:40 he's briefly mentioned on the talk page though 03:26:47 * Sgeo suddenly realizes what the oldest files on his computer are likely to be 03:27:58 http://www.b-list.org/weblog/2009/jan/03/meme/ 03:28:02 "There's a script for that" 03:29:12 Thank you 03:29:23 Ei scriptum est 03:29:55 Ei app that 03:29:57 er 03:29:58 Ei app est 03:30:03 -!- oklofok has quit (wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 03:30:03 -!- puzzlet has quit (wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 03:30:03 -!- GregorR has quit (wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 03:30:03 I guess I can manually exclude OS files 03:30:06 Apple should do all their ads in latin 03:30:08 They'd be so much more fun 03:30:19 Or would the OS files likely be when the system was reformatted and set up again? 03:30:27 Sgeo: Maybe. 03:30:28 Just try it. 03:30:33 Stop asking questions. :P 03:30:48 I'll try it tomorrow. The computer in question is currently off 03:31:43 Anyone know what "I'm a Mac. And I'm a PC." is in Latin? :P 03:31:49 Better would be if I found my disc that had favorites from before "chat" Crash 03:32:17 ("chat" Crash == when I lost all information from my computer because I installed some chat server software, and my dad got paranoid and forced me to reformat) 03:32:44 do you not have your own computer or sth 03:32:44 Mac sum, et PC ? 03:32:52 oerjan: it's two separate lines 03:32:53 ehird, this was from when I was much younger 03:32:54 different people 03:32:56 Sgeo: ah 03:33:00 I believe it happened in 2002-2003 03:33:54 Or perhaps earlier. I do believe there was definately a crash in 2002-2003. I learned of the FRC before the Chat Crash, and I was interested in the FRC in 2003 03:34:09 * oerjan assumes there is some special conjunction that should be used instead of "et" 03:34:13 ah 03:34:22 oerjan: would "Mac sum." "Et PC." preserve the spirit of the "and" from the original, though? 03:34:33 There were no Crashes after August 2003. Knowing the oldest file would push the boundary earlier. 03:34:45 maybe. 03:34:49 s/ary// 03:34:58 ehird: i don't really have a feel for latin _style_ 03:35:04 oerjan: You suck :P 03:35:54 mac sum et pc 03:36:02 -!- oklofok has joined. 03:36:02 -!- puzzlet has joined. 03:36:02 -!- GregorR has joined. 03:36:04 would be "i am a pc and a mac" surely 03:36:23 Pthing: :D 03:36:31 Sorbeo :( 03:37:33 I also have two disconnected HDs sitting around. I wonder what's on them. 03:39:01 I.. seem to have misplaced one of them 03:39:33 oerjan: Sorbeo? :( 03:39:58 Found it 03:40:32 http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sorbeo#Latin 03:40:55 Oh exploitable! 03:41:18 what? 03:41:30 At least one of these bookmarks dates to around 2003 03:41:30 Uh, the obvious? 03:42:26 Um, when did I first enter #esoteric ? 03:42:55 In the olden days, when the world was new 03:43:49 Huh. I have a bookmark labelled "NetHack 3.4.1" 03:43:57 So it must date from before 3.4.2 was released 03:44:24 ..31 Aug 2003 03:44:58 Sgeo: Aren't you quite recent here 03:45:07 ehird, I think so 03:45:11 Don't know when 03:45:13 I mean, like, after 2006 03:45:21 I'd guess sometime after 2005 03:45:21 I don't know if I was here when you first came 03:46:17 I kinda wish I was a little less stupid around 2002-2003, because cool stuff seems to have happened then. 03:46:23 That's just my weird sense of nostalgia talking, though. 03:48:29 Firefox release dates don't help pinpoint an earlier bound 03:56:13 I can't believe that this site is still paying for hosting/domain name/etc 03:56:16 "You need IE 4.0 or higher to play it." 03:56:20 http://www.1000ad.net/thegame/ 03:56:25 Copyright Ader Software 2000-2002 04:00:52 http://www.1000ad.net/ is still sort of updated, so. 04:00:58 (last updated 2007, although updates are very sparse) 04:01:12 Domains cost like $10/yr, pair with autorenew and say, using it for email... 04:41:00 -!- Azstal has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 04:48:20 dammit what is this /r/DoesAnybodyElse thing and how do they manage to spy on me 04:48:28 eh? 04:48:33 spy on you how 04:48:45 oerjan:? 04:48:48 *oerjan: ? 04:48:53 just came up on the default list today 04:49:08 oerjan: that's automatic. 04:49:10 ehird: that was a joke 04:49:13 i guessed 04:49:15 just checkin 04:49:19 *checkin', even 04:49:24 important to be precise about these things 04:49:45 i do at least 3 of the top 10 04:53:10 http://www.reddit.com/r/DoesAnybodyElse/comments/9g0zj/dae_sometimes_stare_into_their_own_eyes_in_the/ ;; agh I do this 04:53:17 it literally looks like a demon is coming out 04:53:26 and some horrible black thing will appear next to me 04:55:02 "DAE have a life that is better than prison or internment camps but you still wouldn't wish it on your worst enemy?" 04:55:03 Sob sob cut cut. 04:57:05 no, and yes... 04:57:26 oerjan: wut? 04:57:43 * oerjan makes a note not to stare into the mirror 04:58:04 oerjan: which were those no/yeses to 04:58:08 also, try it! 04:58:09 :P 04:58:44 you've only listed two... 04:58:59 oerjan: yes, but which do they correspond to, i mean i don't see you as the "woe is me" type :P 04:59:32 i have a very fluctuating mood 05:00:29 also i find it completely impossible to accept that suffering exists in the universe _at all_ 05:00:36 oerjan: you appear to be alive and browse reddit and IRC about, uhh, random stuff 05:00:45 sounds like a pretty cushy life, relatively :P 05:00:59 also, impossible to accept = tolerate or... believe 05:01:06 tolerate 05:01:07 because err it's pretty easy to come up with a counterexample :P 05:01:17 oerjan: what if we killed all the unhappy people? 05:01:19 that would work 05:01:50 * Sgeo blows a gasket 05:01:59 Sgeo: THIS CHANNEL IS PG-13 05:02:25 `define gasket 05:02:26 * seal consisting of a ring for packing pistons or sealing a pipe joint \ [23]wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn \ * In sailing, gaskets are lengths of rope or fabric used to hold a stowed sail in place. In modern use, the term is usually restricted to square-rigged ships, the equivalent items on yachts being 05:03:00 `define blow a gasket 05:03:01 * To become very angry or upset \ [13]en.wiktionary.org/wiki/blow_a_gasket \ 05:03:05 there we have it, a gasket is a seal 05:03:13 greenpeace will be very upset 05:03:16 Someone probably shut a VR online game Sgeo played in 2003 05:03:19 down 05:03:28 lol 05:04:32 Well, that failed. Good night, all 05:04:37 Sgeo: wut? 05:04:57 ehird, I was hoping that the person saying that The Guild S3 would be released midnight PDT was wrong 05:04:58 E wasn't 05:05:06 Oh noooooooooooooooooo? 05:05:53 -!- CESSMASTER has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 05:08:24 -!- Sgeo has quit ("Leaving"). 05:19:20 -!- oerjan has quit ("Good night"). 05:24:29 -!- oklofok has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 05:40:14 -!- oklofok has joined. 05:45:09 oklofok: you're redundant 05:47:50 i... couldn't disagree more 05:47:59 UNIVERSITY STARTS 05:48:03 IN 13 MINUTES :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD 05:48:05 :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD 05:48:07 :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD 05:48:09 :dDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD 05:48:11 :dDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD 05:48:13 :dDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD 05:48:15 :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD 05:48:19 i think it's a good thing. 05:48:20 -> 05:48:35 <- 05:48:44 or do you want to bask in the awesomeness too? 05:50:37 you're such a useless piece of pie 05:50:38 -> 05:52:44 oklofok: you're a bitch. 05:53:10 <- 05:53:14 total unfolded bitch 05:53:18 i can't find my moneys :< 05:54:15 mmmmmmm automata theory, i'll probably start touching myself during the lecture 06:01:35 oklofok: moneys are touching 06:01:42 that is what you must not know 06:13:50 doodle doodle i'm a poodle 06:23:12 -!- ehirdium has joined. 06:23:20 Hallo. 06:23:37 test 06:23:51 ehirdium: hi 06:24:03 ehird: Well, that works well. 06:24:09 `yes 06:24:10 y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y 06:24:14 Hmm, right 06:24:16 !sh yes 06:24:16 y 06:24:30 "Received CTCP 'DCC CHAT chat 1077849409 10079' (to ehirdium) from EgoBot" 06:24:31 So close, so close. 06:26:10 !echo -rn "\r\nQUIT\r\n" 06:26:11 -rn "\r\nQUIT\r\n" 06:26:13 `echo -rn "\r\nQUIT\r\n" 06:26:15 -rn "\r\nQUIT\r\n" 06:26:17 :( 06:26:21 coppro: Uhh, no, not going to work. 06:26:27 aw 06:26:30 I got EgoBot to quit before 06:26:31 `sh echo a; echo b 06:26:31 No output. 06:26:36 `run echo a; echo b 06:26:37 a \ b 06:26:42 !run echo a; echo b 06:26:44 (rest goes in dcc) 06:26:47 erm 06:26:49 !sh echo a; echo b 06:26:49 a 06:26:50 `sh echo -rn "\r\nQUIT\r\n" 06:26:51 No output. 06:26:56 dude, coppro 06:26:59 it handles multiple lines 06:27:06 aw 06:27:07 it uses a fucking capability-based security wrapper in a chroot 06:27:11 you think it's not gonna handle lines? 06:27:12 lol 06:27:22 ehirdium: you never know 06:27:49 anyhoo, I conclude adium is not quite an acceptable IRC client yet 06:27:50 -!- ehirdium has left (?). 06:29:15 I want a key on my keyboard that is labelled "Ha! You referenced xkcd! You are clearly a funny, culturally relevant and intelligent person." 06:29:23 It types itself, just like the letter keys. I find it is about as useful. 06:34:30 -!- Rugxulo has joined. 06:35:28 -!- Pthing has quit (Remote closed the connection). 06:37:25 *boo hiss* Bash 3.2 needed for Bashfunge :-P 06:37:50 Dude, bash 4 is out. 06:37:58 Why not retire to your cave where everything works with ancient software? 06:38:01 dude, I know ... what's your point? ;-) 06:38:08 yeah, 2002 is so ancient (sarcasm) 06:38:18 Yes. Yes it is, in computing. 06:38:44 C++ 98? standard ... C99? standard 06:38:59 omg, its teh old !! 06:39:06 Wherein Rugxulo compares the standards of huge languages with releases of a shell program. 06:39:26 a very very complicated shell program 06:39:40 Yes, bash is very very complicated 06:39:45 very very 06:39:53 have you looked at its guts? ugh ... 06:40:16 was RMS involved? 06:40:45 RMS' eaten toe-pickings were! 06:40:56 *RMS's. Trailing apostrophes are dumbtarded. 06:41:02 okay, just tried Bashfunge on Cygwin, seems to work okay 06:41:10 Quick! Somebody break it! 06:41:50 because if RMS was involved in coding bash, I have no need to look at it to know how awful it is 06:41:50 hey, anything implementing Befunge 93 is cool :-) 06:42:02 no, AFAIK, RMS never worked on Bash ;-) 06:42:07 but it is not pretty code 06:42:23 if (its (just_like (lisp), when_you (code_it_like_this))) 06:42:24 { 06:42:26 rejoice (); 06:42:27 } 06:42:54 I wonder how Bash-centric Bashfunge is (e.g. would it work on other shells) 06:43:05 No. 06:43:11 Maybe zsh, but that's quite unlikely. 06:43:20 (zsh is awesome, btw.) 06:43:46 not in ksh? 06:43:54 Um, almost certainly not. 06:44:43 and I thought you said "109" was the latest ... then why does Bashfunge say "Befunge08" ?? 06:45:04 Because: 06:45:14 (a) 109 isn't released yet and nobody else supports it, and 06:45:20 (b) bashfunge is old. 08 is the old name of 108 and 109. 06:45:48 Bashfunge is also too slow to do anything in, it takes something like half an hour to run Mycology. 06:45:58 Run fungot on it, that'll be a laugh. 06:45:59 ehird: i shall help also. we must now carry out his sentence. hold your horses! i want to dance! ladeedadeeda! got some spending so much of his time doing research on lavos. but you have it...determination, i mean... 06:46:06 You can dance, fungot. 06:46:07 You can dance. 06:46:14 ^style 06:46:14 Available: agora alice c64 ct* darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube 06:46:16 too slow? even on Core i7? (older is obsolete, upgrade now!!!) 06:46:50 anybody writing in Bash should expect a small performance decrease ;-) 06:46:54 Surprisingly, a shiny new CPU with like 20% performance improvements does not alleviate the crippling slowness of bash and bashfunge. 06:46:54 still cool, though 06:47:09 Rugxulo: also, if you do have a core i7, enjoy your non-ECC supporting platform. 06:47:31 ECC es fur wamps, I dun't neid et 06:47:44 * ehird flips some bits in Rugxulo's memory 06:50:34 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 06:52:10 -!- oklofok has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 06:59:20 :) 07:02:20 hmmm, Language-Befunge seems to hate Cygwin (or my install, at least) :-P 07:04:51 BTW, know of any Brainf*** interpreters in Befunge? 07:05:28 Bashfuck, for one. 07:05:30 It's rather trivial. 07:05:33 Also, you can say fuck. 07:05:51 for unlawful carnal knowledge ... hooray for me ;-) 07:06:11 * Rugxulo sings, "Home grown, down home ..." 07:07:45 * ehird looks at his Miscellaneous Pile of Overly-Specific Certificates, finds no Certificate of Liking Terrible Music, leaves disappointed 07:08:40 found a Befunge98 one, wanted a 93 one :-/ 07:09:01 Oh, you said in Befunge. 07:09:08 Rugxulo: Befunge93 is not TC. 07:09:30 It cannot even do the 30,000 baseline cells that a lot of programs need and the original interpreter used. 07:09:39 I think 07:09:57 but one good enough for "Hello world" and similarly simple stuff should be doable 07:10:09 So do it 07:13:39 Rugxulo, hi 07:14:29 ehird, was this the person you lied about cfunge a few days ago? 07:14:33 cfunge to* 07:14:46 Uhh, for some definition of "lie" equal to "things I disagree with because I wrote it". 07:14:54 But, sure, evil commie lies, AnMaster. 07:15:31 ehird, nah, but you are actually wrong. cfunge is currently the fastest one. And several people in here use it. fizzie for example for fungot 07:15:32 AnMaster: cyrus! are you leaving! it's cyrus! run away for now! 07:15:38 yes that irc bot :P 07:15:42 AnMaster, one chat and ehird already hates me ;-) 07:15:43 Umm, wrong about what? 07:15:51 Did I ever deny that cfunge is the fastest interpreter? 07:15:51 Rugxulo, ah :) 07:15:56 Did I ever deny that several people in here hate it? 07:16:03 (Rugxulo: Did I ever say that I hate you?) 07:16:06 ehird, s/hate/love/ 07:16:20 No, s/hate/use/ 07:16:20 for the line "several people in here" 07:16:26 mhm 07:16:32 -!- oklofok has joined. 07:16:49 And I never claimed any of those things false, so uhh, I don't see what the hell you're trying to say other than "stop saying cfunge is bad, meanie". 07:17:01 Rugxulo, anyway, about cygwin: I don't have windows handy to test with. But cygwin is your best bet for cfunge if you need to use it on windows 07:17:26 ehird, you said (and I'm almost quoting verbatim), "Eww, you use old software, Emacs, and Windows ... can I stab you?" 07:17:43 No, that is not "almost verbatim" 07:17:46 And yep, I was totally serious about stabbing you 07:17:49 yeah, I'm sure you meant that in a loving way ;-) 07:17:57 I want to actually be wherever you are and stab you so that you bleed. 07:17:58 the lovey-dovey kind of stab, y'know 07:18:00 And die. That is what I think 07:18:04 Rugxulo, I remember that basic things like getting environment variables didn't just work as expected under windows :/ 07:18:13 Cygwin? 07:18:21 Rugxulo, well that is worth a try as I said 07:19:09 I highly doubt cfunge will work on cygwin. 07:19:34 Rugxulo, if it lacks mmap() you could rewrite the file loading part to use getc() or something. I use mmap() because it is faster (I profiled) and easier as well 07:20:36 the build system would need a prod to not error out when mmap() is missing as well, but that would be as trivial as commenting out a line or two in CMakeLists.txt 07:21:15 Rugxulo, but I guess cygwin *does* have mmap() right? 07:21:56 dunno 07:22:09 BTW, found another "Brainf*** in Befunge" 07:22:37 Rugxulo, why are you stuck on windows though? Hardware issues? 07:23:51 sorta ... none of the *nixes I tried really worked too well (not that Windows is perfect, though) 07:23:52 AnMaster: he likes it 07:24:00 or at least that's what he said yesterday 07:24:01 no, I like DOS, I tolerate Windows 07:24:07 hm... 07:24:08 that's what I said :-) 07:24:12 /shrug 07:24:17 interesting 07:24:19 big difference :-P 07:24:47 (hmmm, that Brainf***-in-Befunge may need "arbitrary bignums in the stack") 07:25:00 Rugxulo, so you want no memory protection, a pain to use memory above 640K, ...? 07:25:26 I don't know what Brainf*** requires 07:25:32 But I know that Brainfuck normally uses 8-bit cells 07:25:34 with an unbounded tape 07:25:51 AnMaster, DPMI -> DJGPP = works! 07:26:03 -!- FireFly has joined. 07:26:04 93: 8 bit playfield, 32 bit stack cells iirc 07:26:06 Only Funge-98 has provisions for bignum cells, and even then only awkwardly. 07:26:08 or was it the reverse? 07:26:18 98 requires same size 07:26:30 and yes there is one bignum one at least 07:26:41 You just mentioned that because you wrote it. 07:26:42 :P 07:26:47 try my efunge, needs erlang installed. Should probably work under windows. But I never tried it 07:27:19 aand predictable as clockwork 07:27:21 Rugxulo, DPMI? 07:27:44 yes 07:27:53 Rugxulo, that was a question: "what is that"? 07:28:04 what is DPMI? 07:28:04 s/"?/?"/ 07:28:05 It's the protected-mode-in-DOS thing. 07:28:10 oh ok 07:28:30 fizzie, is it something you load with that config.sys thingy? 07:28:34 yeah, standard stuff, works in OS/2 2+, Win 3+, DOS w/ extender, etc. 07:28:46 CWSDPMI ring a bell? 07:28:59 Rugxulo, nop 07:29:02 (Quake 1 used it) 07:29:15 Or DOS/4GW, which I think is what Watcom's compilers used. 07:29:15 I used mac before I changed to xp for a few years, then to linux 07:29:27 so I have like no contact ever with dos world ;P 07:29:54 Wolfenstein 3D = 16-bit Borland C 07:30:01 Doom 1 & 2 = 32-bit Watcom C 07:30:07 Quake 1 = 32-bit DJGPP C 07:30:08 mhm 07:30:45 Rugxulo, not portable between compilers even? ;P 07:30:45 ever heard of Ardi's Executor (Mac emulator)? 07:30:53 Rugxulo, nop 07:30:56 DPMI isn't related to compilers, it's an API 07:31:32 http://www.delorie.com/djgpp/doc/dpmi/ 07:32:06 http://clio.rice.edu/ 07:32:52 this would have been more interesting if I had any nostalgia about DOS ;P 07:33:02 but no, typically most (non-DJGPP) apps were never written for DPMI "only", they expected the unofficial, undocumented 32-bit int 21h extensions 07:33:10 (partially supported by some Watcom extenders) 07:33:23 I know I know, if you never were familiar with DOS, it wouldn't matter 07:33:31 just trust me, it works, Quake 1 sold fine ;-) 07:33:49 Rugxulo, ok. Tell me when you have a 64-bit extender for it ;P 07:34:00 -!- MigoMipo has quit ("QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server"). 07:34:01 DOSEMU works on x86-64, that's as close as you can get 07:34:04 (for now) 07:34:11 hah 07:34:20 Rugxulo, I meant 64-bit DPMI 07:34:24 runs *almost* native speed (due to no V86 mode has to emulate a very small portion) 07:34:28 I know ... 07:34:37 You can't say that whole skedaddle with a real-mode operating system and protected-mode applications was exactly *elegant*, no matter how well it might've worked. 07:34:46 DJGPP is extremely elegant 07:34:52 -!- oklopol has joined. 07:34:58 no worse than using GCC on Linux 07:35:04 very stable 07:35:07 Rugxulo, you mean fork() { errno = ENOTIMPLEMENTED; return; } 07:35:08 ? 07:35:12 or something like that 07:35:16 -!- ehird has quit (Remote closed the connection). 07:35:24 (which will break at least parts of cfunge btw) 07:35:27 fork is not implemented because most DOSes (and compatibles) don't support it 07:35:30 -!- ehird has joined. 07:35:37 Rugxulo, exactly 07:35:41 it would be nice if my IRC client didn't crash 07:35:47 as I was going to say 07:35:47 ehird, mine doesn 07:35:50 doesn't* 07:35:50 EMX/RSX (whole other extender + DPMI) emulates fork, though, but DJGPP is miles better in most other ways 07:36:01 Rugxulo: DJGPP isn't elegant at all... 07:36:05 AnMaster: Thank you, I care deeply 07:36:09 about your IRC client 07:36:21 -!- oklofok has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 07:36:28 well I use two ones: xchat and ERC 07:36:38 neither crash 07:36:40 atm on ERC 07:36:41 Novell (DR-)DOS 7 supports multitasking, but nobody ever bothered writing anything for it 07:36:46 AnMaster! Tell me more about all your IRC clients! 07:36:50 * Rugxulo is also on ERC 07:36:53 XD 07:36:58 I'm so interested in what IRC client you use and how you use it. Tell me a story about your IRC client! 07:37:10 In fact, I'd like you to do that every time I mention my IRC client. Oh wait, you do... 07:37:16 ehird, you haven't slept tonight right? 07:37:18 go do so 07:38:01 What on earth has my absolute boredom with you continually mentioning your and how awesome it is whenever mine does something displeasing got to do with that? 07:38:09 AnMaster, I don't expect it to matter, but DJGPP does have latest ports of VIM, Emacs, GCC (though not Bash) 07:38:09 It's irritating. Stop it. 07:38:19 Rugxulo, heh.... 07:38:31 ehird, in your dreams 07:38:35 "Once upon a time, in an IRC client far, far away..." 07:38:50 ehird, and you get so very anti-social when you didn't sleep 07:39:01 One thing I like about my IRC client: It has a feature that lets people stop talk to me without having to have it solely in dreams. 07:39:14 AnMaster: actually, you just like coming up with excuses whenever I dislike you. 07:39:19 sure, my clients have /ignore too 07:39:25 I remember when you implied that me using Linux instead of OS X made me nicer... 07:39:28 ehird, I would say the reverse 07:39:36 ehird, and yes it did 07:39:48 maybe the effect wore off if you are using linux now 07:39:56 but back then it did 07:40:05 Ladies 'n gents, AnMaster thinks what OS I am currently using to talk on IRC is directly related to whether I'm kind or not. 07:40:11 Please welcome this master of self-delusion. 07:40:22 ... 07:40:49 you get quite.... self-delusional... yourself when you didn't sleep 07:41:13 anyway, *ignores ehird* 07:41:26 ...you just directly stated that and now you're denying it? 07:41:30 X_X 07:42:21 Or perhaps he's just using "I don't like what you're saying" as a catch-all disproof of everything I've said, regardless of whether he said it first or not... The mind boggles. 07:44:24 mind boggles or boggles the mind? ^_^ 07:44:40 * Rugxulo wonders if you can write a Boggle clone in Befunge ... heh j/k 07:45:13 Rugxulo, 07:45:13 07:45:14 err 07:45:16 what the hell 07:45:25 keyboard failure 07:45:30 anyway 07:45:37 what I tried to write was "Boggle"? 07:45:47 but somehow my space key locked up 07:45:55 Other /ignores AnMaster has executed recently: /ignore Google 07:47:57 AnMaster, so you use Linux and/or OS X? 07:48:08 Rugxulo, Linux, FreeBSD, OpenBSD 07:48:17 which Linux? 07:48:40 Rugxulo, Gentoo, Arch and currently also Ubuntu on laptop (because there I need things to just work) 07:48:45 and BTW, have you heard of shasm/osimplay? ;-) 07:48:57 shasm/osimplay <-- no clue what that is 07:49:17 then that's a no :-) 07:49:25 (Forth-ish x86 assembler written in Bash) 07:49:25 Rugxulo, tell me what it is 07:49:28 ah 07:49:35 Rugxulo, there was some bashforth I remember 07:50:07 -!- oklofok has joined. 07:55:58 AnMaster, have you programmed in Forth before? 07:56:27 Rugxulo, no, I haven't really had time to learn it, and currently I don't expect to have it soon either, what with just having started at university 07:58:04 17, 18? 07:58:34 that might explain the lack of DOS nostalgia ;-) 07:59:12 * Rugxulo regales everyone about ye olden days of GCC 2.7.2.1 07:59:14 Rugxulo, 19 07:59:25 Rugxulo, and I used redhat 5.0 ;P 07:59:30 it's not like I'm super old either, only just turned 30 ;-) 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:00:00 or, in Befunge, 3:9*+ 08:00:04 ;-) 08:00:20 (+ (* 9 3) 3) 08:01:01 Some would just say 65*. 08:01:16 touche 08:01:20 But what would Deewiant's constant-builder say? 08:01:21 my bad 08:01:26 $ factor 30 08:01:26 30: 2 3 5 08:01:57 A funge-98 programmer would probably say 3a*. 08:02:04 fizzie, well yes 08:02:17 Anyway, from the viewpoint of the channel, 30 sounds quite ancient. 08:02:29 fizzie, what about oerjan? 08:02:31 Isn't that, like, a bit before death? 08:02:54 isn't oerjan old? 08:02:54 I have no idea about oerjan's age, I assume it is considerable. 08:03:16 oerjan is like 38. 08:03:26 Seen the stars born and so on. 08:03:32 nescience is 39 iirc, or at least I asked if he was like 40 and he said something along the lines of almost 08:03:44 -!- oklopol has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 08:03:45 fizzie, are you suggesting he _is_ a great old one? 08:03:53 fizzie: aren't you like 30-something, I remember someoneorother saying that, though they could just be bullshitting me 08:04:09 [08:03] ehird: nescience is 39 iirc, or at least I asked if he was like 40 and he said something along the lines of almost 08:04:10 ↑ i meant mycroftiv, not nescience 08:04:12 ehird: I guess it depends on your rounding mode, 26 nowadays. 08:04:16 what the hell happened to wxmaxima after updating it.... 08:04:32 fizzie: you're like a bit before a bit before death! 08:04:36 never. update. anything. 08:04:54 Rugxulo, interface completely changed 08:05:07 An interface being redefined? 08:05:08 also of course I keep things up-to-date. It is painless usually on linux 08:05:09 *redesigned 08:05:10 Unheard of. 08:05:11 unlike on windows 08:05:17 not quite painless 08:05:38 Rugxulo: what he's trying to say is "You use Windows and I disapprove of this" 08:05:41 Rugxulo, well on gentoo it is just tedious. But often more painless than binary distros. :P 08:05:49 facts don't really enter into it 08:07:11 it's all the same hardware, so in theory any OS can do anything 08:07:13 also the line editing history feature is gone... meh 08:07:16 (in theory) 08:07:49 Rugxulo, since gentoo compiles packages from source when you install them, ABI breakages tends to hurt less... just recompile affected packages. 08:07:52 which is easy 08:08:08 instead of being rather complex like on many other distros 08:08:13 er, I wouldn't call it easy ... even if automatic, too many things can go wrong 08:08:24 if it works well, 100% of the credit goes to the script maintainers 08:08:38 Rugxulo, in my experience those things doesn't go wrong. And yes credit goes to the portage maintainers 08:08:45 and ebuild maintainers 08:09:02 (portage = the package manager, ebuilds = the build scripts) 08:09:53 ok I think I can get used to this new interface. In fact parts of it is cool. Just I miss shell style line editing and history 08:21:20 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 08:28:53 -!- FireFly has quit ("Later"). 08:38:22 -!- oklopol has joined. 08:42:24 -!- MigoMipo has quit. 08:47:07 [[symbolics.com, the first domain name ever registered, has been bought by a "real estate and domain investment company."]] 08:47:26 Symbolics.com Was The FIRST Registered Domain Name! 08:47:26 —http://www.symbolics.com/, "Symbolics: It all started here". 08:47:30 A sad, sad event. 08:47:44 You shouldn't have done that, David K Schmidt. 08:47:47 That was bad. 08:48:33 -!- oklofok has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 08:48:54 You are a bad person. 08:49:19 Your actions are bad and you should feel bad. 08:50:03 ehird, so tell us how you really feel, don't be shy ;-) 08:50:11 Amusingly it isn't even the oldest domain, just the oldest .com and the oldest still-registered domain. 08:50:15 Rugxulo: He did a bad thing! :P 08:50:36 (singing) "David did a bad bad thing" (ba dum da dum de dum de dum) 08:51:15 http://cgi.ebay.com/SYMBOLICS-DOMAIN-NAME-TEL-SEXY-HOT-MATURE-RARE-LOGO_W0QQitemZ220437152045QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item335314012d&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14#ht_11186wt_1167 08:51:15 Wow! For only $21,000,000 I can buy symbolics.tel with free shipping! It even has a picture of Bama! 08:51:18 *Obama 08:51:51 in fairness, it IS sexy, hot, and mature ;-) 08:52:01 'Tis muchly so! 08:52:37 Also, when the seller's name, 10qvrymuch, is pronounced quickly, it sounds like the pronunciation of "thank you very much"! WILL THE WONDERS EVER CEASE????????? 09:01:05 -!- oklopol has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 09:16:38 -!- oklofok has joined. 09:19:51 oklofok: i have determined that you do not exist. 09:23:38 Toli Toli Toli Toli Toli 09:34:24 -!- Rugxulo has left (?). 09:40:04 -!- oklopol has joined. 09:41:50 ehird: That reminds me of a quote: https://pastee.org/gf9w2 09:42:17 Did I really need to click that link to be reminded of a famous h2g2 quote? :P 09:43:46 It's not like the quotes have unique identifiers I could use to refer to them. 09:44:32 I think the Finnish translation has the vanishing bit formatted as (retranslating back to English literally) "vanishes like an irrational fart in the Sahara of logic". 09:45:34 -!- oklofok has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 10:09:50 -!- oklopol has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 10:18:51 thought: domain names are probably economically unscarce 10:25:56 -!- oklofok has joined. 10:28:54 So, in case anyone thought rms has ever been sane, here's what he said when Symbolics corporation told him to stop reading their code and rewriting features from it: 10:28:56 [["I definitely did have fantasies of killing myself and destroying their building in the process," Stallman says. "I thought my life was over."]] 10:30:29 [["I started crying right there in the equipment room," he says. "Seeing the machine there, dead, with nobody left to fix it, it all drove home how completely my community had been destroyed."]] 10:30:39 It's cringeworthy even to read this. 10:30:49 -!- oklopol has joined. 10:32:23 -!- oklopol has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 10:32:45 -!- oklopol has joined. 10:34:59 Does rms nowadays use passwords, I wonder. 10:36:25 Heh, almost certainly. 10:36:36 Well, maybe not on his laptop. 10:36:43 Probably on his server accounts. 10:37:27 He's a fool, incidentally. 10:40:31 -!- oklopol has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 10:42:41 -!- oklopol has joined. 10:46:12 -!- oklofok has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 10:55:23 fizzie, hm? 10:56:31 ehird was quoting few bits, probably from http://oreilly.com/openbook/freedom/ch07.html I guess. 10:56:51 Another copy of that, but yeah. 10:57:14 Probably AnMaster will now chastise you for not prefixing that with "ehird:"; he's done that before when ignoring me, at least. 11:07:14 -!- oklopol has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 11:15:44 -!- oklofok has joined. 11:36:16 -!- oklofok has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 12:08:57 -!- Asztal has joined. 12:23:33 -!- oklofok has joined. 12:47:58 -!- oklofok has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 12:57:10 -!- oklofok has joined. 13:02:54 unicorn flu huh? 13:04:16 -!- oklopol has joined. 13:04:45 -!- oklofok has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 13:06:26 -!- Asztal has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 13:09:19 oklopol: so why are you still pretending like you exist 13:20:39 there should be buskers with laptops 13:20:45 making electronic music with a laptop case open for money 13:20:54 or perhaps with overdriven electric guitars 13:21:07 -!- M0ny has joined. 13:29:32 fizzie: For 30 it says 65* 13:30:08 Whut 13:30:25 Deewiant: But what would Jesus say!? 13:30:44 I doubt the Bible addresses Befunge constants at all. :/ 13:31:31 It's such a useless book 13:32:03 Deewiant: What does it say for "befunge" (base 26)? 13:32:22 I don't know, tell me what "befunge" is in base 26 13:32:48 It only takes base 10 as input :-P 13:32:59 But that's so much work! 13:36:09 359086628? 13:37:32 If it's that; 4548*+1348**+56898::**+**+*** or 4548*+1c8*+d555558*****+*** or 4"%a5N"5'@**+*** 13:47:59 I think I prefer the or :P 13:48:46 Sigh, another Luddite dualist idiot peddles his unscientific doomsday view on AI in a popsci publication. What else is new. 13:49:27 If I had some kind of linear encoding which knew about commutativity that last one could be a character shorter 13:51:33 How to produce strong AI: Keep having babies until evolution gets bored and spits out an intelligent, self-improving computer 13:51:43 I am sure this will work. 13:52:24 That presupposes two rather unlikely states 13:52:51 Firstly that evolution can get bored, and secondly that it'll do that if it does 13:53:12 Deewiant: Is there a reason for 4"%a5N"5'@**+*** over 4"%a5N@"5**+*** then? 13:53:29 Deewiant: If you adopt a sufficiently warped view of what genes can do it has a probability of 1, assuming you're immortal 13:53:36 fizzie: Like said, I don't have a linear encoding which knows about commutativity. 13:53:55 It goes straight from binary-treeish AST to string 13:54:07 Deewiant: Without a sufficiently warped view, you'll just get a baby that immediately flies over to a computer and types out a strong, self-improving AI within hours. 13:54:21 It's fool-proof. 13:54:29 ehird: Also assuming a universe that exists forever 13:54:42 Deewiant: That is kind of implied by a thing being immortal. 13:54:43 Although I guess true "immortality" assumes that. 13:54:46 Snap. 13:55:07 I don't know, arguably "immortal" could also mean being able to live as long as the surrounding universe. 13:55:17 True 13:56:06 fizzie: So it just generates a Mul (Push 5) (Push 64) and the reason it becomes 5'@ instead of '@5 is that the left branch is output first. 13:56:22 All finns: do you guys have obnoxious companies trying to "cut down" on piracy by taking all means necessary against your internet connection? 13:56:25 Trying all possible branching orders may or may not be feasible, I'm not sure how fast that grows. 13:56:43 Deewiant: exponentially, no? 13:56:58 That'd be my guess 13:57:53 Hey, apparently this exchange has ADSL2+ or something? Well, one company at least thinks it does. 13:58:00 Others don't though. 13:58:21 Apparently the max here is 19.8 megabit, which beats the 6 mbit I'm getting 13:58:48 As for companies like that; not to my knowledge; there's mainly the local CISAC member, Teosto 13:58:57 s/;/:/ 13:59:17 All finns: Any nasty industry-standard internet censorship or deep packet inspection? 14:01:13 A bit of blacklist censorship done by most ISPs; intended to be vs. child porn but there's also some other stuff (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lapsiporno.info) 14:01:43 Sounds like what we have here; "child porn" which includes that old album cover, oh and "race hate material" and the like 14:01:50 Next week, "record industry hate material" 14:02:00 "1047 censored websites" "nine were unrelated to pornography, 28 had content hard to categorize as legal or illegal, 46 were (legal) child modeling sites and 879 contained only legal pornography" 14:02:21 Oh and "nine of the sites contained child pornography" 14:02:23 Doesn't seem to be many providers using the list 14:02:29 Most of them are small 14:02:30 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lapsiporno.info#Status_of_lapsiporno.info_with_Finnish_Internet_service_providers 14:02:35 And Elisa must've been a recent change 14:02:41 Well, Nebula is the fast one fizzie uses iirc 14:02:42 Since lapsiporno.info was blocked last I checked 14:02:47 Elisa was very recent. 14:03:01 wait, they blocked a site about it? 14:03:07 2009-08-05. 14:03:07 that's fucked up 14:03:09 Anyway, if Elisa were still blocked then that'd have Elisa + Welho which are over 50% 14:03:21 Yes, because the site published links that were on the list. 14:03:22 Any deep packet inspection, though? 14:03:27 Not to my knowledge 14:03:30 But then, how would I know ;-) 14:03:41 fizzie: Citation? 14:03:49 All finns: What's a good way to learn Finnish, and how do I learn to like saunas? 14:03:51 :P 14:03:59 Have you tried saunas? :-P 14:04:02 That'd be a way to start 14:04:04 No :-P 14:04:18 That question might have been a little bit joking, so to speak. 14:04:48 Deewiant: Citation for the reason? Well, I think that was the official reason, anyway. The site doesn't seem to answer right now. 14:04:56 Citation for the date 14:05:03 Of Elisa's unblocking 14:05:58 Ah. Well, that was actually the date for when lapsiporno.info got a note about it. I assume the unblocking came first, don't know the exact date. 14:06:06 Hmm, right, Nebula was that one that was great apart from the speed being rather unimpressive 14:06:15 Well, I guess Ask! is a nice price for 100mbit both ways 14:06:18 I can spare Ask!. 14:06:21 Ah, I see the page has it 14:06:49 It's "unimpressive" in the sense that it's what you get with ADSL-based technologies; I dislike the rather high price more. 14:07:48 Well, right, I meant the price/speed ratio. 14:07:56 Yes, that's a bit unimpressive. 14:08:08 Isn't Welho that 100mbit dumbpeople one? 14:08:33 You guys seem to have the perfect internet connection, just it's scattered across a bunch of subscriptions :P 14:08:33 I, uh, well, not all Welho users are that dumb, I mean... 14:08:46 :D 14:08:53 Dumbpeople? 14:09:01 They don't support IPv6 or err custom DNS or something 14:09:04 Therefore dumbpeople 14:09:08 Ah :-P 14:09:12 Also they, like, advertise TV services 14:09:19 And their site is ugly 14:09:20 It's a cable TV company, so.. 14:09:20 Who needs IPv6 when you can download at 110 Mbps 14:09:40 Deewiant: But they use the blacklist too :P 14:10:00 Unnoticeable 14:10:07 Morally unacceptable 14:10:15 I don't notice the CCTV cameras around here either 14:10:18 Not really, if it were valid 14:10:24 Nebula's selling the "bond two ADSL2+ annex M lines together to get a 48/6M link" service, which is speedy enough, but it's a frigging 150 eur/month. 14:10:27 I can understand blocking child porn 14:10:49 I don't believe in censorship, especially when it involves looking at my packets 14:11:14 Internet service is paying them to give you a hole in the wall with bandwidth, any crimes are your responsibility 14:11:19 It's kind of impossible without looking at packets :-P 14:11:28 Deewiant: Which makes it unacceptable 14:11:39 But they have to look at your packets anyway in order to be able to route them 14:11:46 Maybe if you'd just look at the evil-bit-set packets. 14:11:48 fizzie: It's way too expensive for those speeds, indeed 14:12:37 elisa.com is a rather bad site, it lists all the broadband products only with a short summary 14:12:39 You poor finns 14:13:09 And your bad telecom company websites 14:13:12 Go to the Finnish site for more info :-P 14:13:12 How do you sleep at night 14:13:15 http://www.elisa.fi/yksityisille/laajakaista/laajakaista/tekniset_tiedot/ 14:13:34 To be fair, there wasn't a link to the Finnish site. 14:13:50 Yes there was 14:13:58 Well, I didn't notice it :P 14:14:01 www.elisa.com -> bottom of page "Suomeksi" 14:14:08 Suomeksi 14:14:11 "Of course" 14:14:24 100mbit/10mbit? 14:14:27 Well, you can't expect to find the link if you don't speak Finnish 14:14:28 Can't be fibr-optic 14:14:30 *fibre 14:14:36 So that must be some hefty ADSL 14:14:44 Or, it's fibre-optic but they rate limited the upload 14:14:51 Because they're—— 14:14:54 Number of computers in use as early 14:15:00 Is that a limit on how many computers you can use with it? 14:15:06 Yes. 14:15:08 Ah. 14:15:14 It comes with five dynamic IPs. 14:15:28 That's rather pointless with IPv4 14:15:30 "Five dynamic IPs" seems to be the de-facto "standard" around here. 14:15:37 Yep 14:15:42 I've never seen more than one dynamic IP 14:17:05 Anyway, the "super" thing is for.. er, building-owners, to be resold to actual people-living-there; and it goes to 100M/10M only when the house in question has suitable Ethernet cabling. 14:17:27 It's 24M/1M for phone-cabling-only places. 14:18:54 Reminds me of MizardX's weird click-to-switch-broadband thing. 14:19:33 I guess it's 1 Gbps fibre to the basement in any case. And they're only selling it (in case of existing buildings) to buildings with at least 20 apartments in them. 14:21:07 Meh! 14:21:37 Maybe the Swedish internet situation is better, I seem to hear a lot of good interweb thingies from there. 14:21:45 Well, also Norway. They have a lot of fibre. 14:21:53 Just go to South Korea 14:22:16 Welho's 110M/5M is probably the widestly-available fast-enough connection, and that's just because large parts of the capital-city area is in their cable TV network. 14:23:25 I can't seem to find any sort of comprehensive list for where Elisa's 100M/10M thing is available, just the "put your address here and we'll tell you" thing. 14:23:34 Deewiant: But even fantasy-head-moving because of just internet would be unacceptable without taking the time to fantasy-head-move to somewhere with a decent political system :p 14:23:50 :-P 14:24:17 You European social democracies collect political parties like Pokemon. 14:24:21 How many are there now, 152? 14:28:15 -!- Asztal has joined. 14:33:44 If you're still speaking of Finland, we only have 15 currently registered political parties. A total sum of everything in Europe would be quite a lot, I guess. 14:33:59 I was joking; 152 = initial pokemon + 1. 14:34:13 Doesn't Sweden have like 17 with seats? 14:34:36 Don't know; we have 8 of those. 14:34:54 Meanwhile, in the world where everything is backwards: "SSDs are best for sequential writes and HDDs are best for random writes." 14:35:50 Their Parliament is bigger; 349 seats, compared to our 200. You can fit more parties in there. 14:35:55 I'm sure their building is also bigger. 14:36:13 Yes. They can fit bigger people because their seats are bigger because their building is bigger. 14:36:17 Compare http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Riksdagen-fran-vattnet-2004-05-09.jpg and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Eduskuntatalo_(Finnish_Parliament_building).JPG 14:36:20 This helps because Swedish people are bigger. 14:36:39 fizzie: I didn't know Finland was located in Ancient Greece! 14:36:49 It's a little-known fact. 14:37:04 Many people do not know that. 14:38:52 Meanwhile: http://buttersafe.com/comics/2009-09-01-theevilplan.jpg 14:39:10 -!- CESSMASTER has joined. 14:39:11 I guess they're using that picture, as it's more imposing; Wikipedia does have one which shows the complete structure -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Parliament_House_of_Finland.jpg -- but in that one it's not so impressive. 14:39:28 Maxisat? More like 14:39:31 Marxisat? More like 14:39:35 Marxis? More like 14:39:38 Marx? More like 14:39:43 Karl Marx? More like 14:39:44 COMMUNISTS 14:39:54 They do IPTV things, actually. 14:40:00 ALSO COMMUNISM 14:40:15 Oh, and sell broadband internet. :p 14:40:29 And communism. 14:41:14 maxisat 14:41:17 for heavy data flow 14:41:23 in your communism 14:41:29 ECONOMIC FLOW 14:41:30 Of GOODS 14:52:01 mmph 14:55:49 -!- BeholdMyGlory has joined. 14:58:15 -!- M0ny has quit. 15:02:55 I wish I had some Haskell to code :P 15:05:23 There's plenty of Haskell in the world 15:06:10 The phrase "I can has kell" popped into my mind. 15:07:09 Deewiant: That is true 15:07:18 What's that got to do with wanting to write something that haskell would fit nicely 15:07:35 It means there's plenty of stuff to hack on if that's what you want to do 15:08:38 Deewiant: It's icky practical software by Other People Who Are Bad Coders. :P 15:09:08 I take it the "who are bad coders" comes by default since it's "other people"? 15:09:42 Naturally 15:12:24 That attitude does limit your options somewhat 15:12:57 I was going to suggest improving my fungifier but you can also code a better one from scratch, if you want; it's fairly short 15:13:13 hmm 15:13:16 i'd just end up bruteforcing i 15:13:17 t 15:13:22 i don't think there's an eleganty algo to do it 15:13:26 You can do that too, if it ends up fast enough :-P 15:13:39 alas i cannot transcend the laws of physisc 15:13:42 physics 15:14:13 I can 15:16:11 Slereah: sweet, gimme my infinity machine 15:16:28 ehird: So you want not only some Haskell, but some Haskell that implements an elegant algorithm? :-P 15:16:44 well the task is boring in itself imo 15:17:07 it's pretty much factoring + subtract and factor 15:18:27 ehird : Later 15:18:32 Feeling a bit lazy right no 15:18:44 Newsflash: most tasks are boring especially when summarized in a single sentence :-P 15:19:03 well that's a perfectly passable algo really 15:19:56 1234 → (for base 10) 2*(1+(8*7*(1+(2*5)))) 15:19:59 so 15:20:09 25*1+87*1+2* 15:20:13 admittedly not exceedingly good 15:20:39 but if 5 words, one being "+", can describe a half-passable algorithm it's probably just a boring hill-climb with slightly better and better heuristics 15:21:31 That's better than what my current one gets allowing only decimals 15:21:38 2948328*+**+* 15:23:04 Ha 15:23:15 Deewiant: Gimme a number yours does well on and I'll give it a crack with my uber-tedious algo 15:23:20 Also, trivial optimisation of mine: 15:23:29 25*87*+2+2* 15:23:49 I don't know, what's "well" :-P 15:24:30 Deewiant: Shortly? 15:24:32 Just gimme a number :P 15:24:40 57849 15:25:42 3*(1+(2*5))*(1+(2*2*2*3*(1+(2*2*2*3*3)))) 15:25:44 trivial reduction: 15:25:54 3*(1+(2*5))*(1+(8**3*(1+(8*9)))) 15:25:58 → 15:26:05 57*:*9+ with some Human Ingenuity, which no computar in the world can match. 15:26:08 For 1234, I mean. 15:26:21 89*1+83*1+25*1+3** 15:26:30 trivially simplify: 15:26:54 89*83*25*++3+3** 15:26:58 er 15:27:02 I've got a trailing * there 15:27:13 OK, that failed 15:27:14 sec 15:28:01 89*1+83**1+25*1+*3* 15:28:33 which is 15:28:56 -!- coppro has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 15:29:05 89*83**25**3*3+ 15:29:10 Deewiant: what does yours give? 15:29:11 78+88+*::*9++ 15:29:25 The square-root finding I did manually might even make sense. 15:29:27 fizzie: remember that this algo is four words and a symbol :P 15:29:37 just saying that the problem is kinda trivial 15:29:41 ehird: That gives 51843 15:29:53 Eh, so I reduced wrong at some point 15:29:56 Mine gives 392+13898:*+**+** using decimals 15:29:59 I'm tired; what to do is obvious 15:30:12 it's not a trivial problem just because it can't be solved 15:30:17 Deewiant: So shorter than my initial one just by a char 15:30:41 Kinda yawnsville, yah? 15:31:40 I wouldn't call it trivial, anyway. I'm sure it gets really quite interesting when the numbers are large enough that loops start to make sense. 15:31:42 Deewiant: is yours doing something with prime factors? 15:31:50 Yes 15:32:03 So's mine 15:32:10 but what does it do when it gets to 1753? 15:32:19 For mine, it subtracts one and refactors 15:32:22 approximate and add? 15:32:23 Then does 1+ 15:32:34 Deewiant: Give me a large number 15:32:39 ehird: 8119824918791285132865191 15:32:46 Oh you just hate me. 15:32:50 I haven't automated this you know. 15:32:58 Split it in half until it's small enough :-P 15:33:03 Heh, it reduces to a whole bunch of 2*2*2*2* with factor(1) 15:33:11 Then 23, then 54798378614461 15:33:16 huh 15:33:20 what do you mean? 15:33:23 Just take the easy way out, why don'tcha 15:33:30 oklopol: factor unix program 15:33:40 Asztal: Mine grabs the one with most factors that it can subtract to 15:33:43 i thought you said 2 is a factor of 8119824918791285132865191 15:33:48 In the hopes that those are easier to reduce 15:33:53 It is, just not a prime factor :P 15:34:01 ...? 15:34:01 Eh? 15:34:09 wait, is factor(1) broken? 15:34:12 The number is odd so 2 can't be a factor of it 15:34:14 Your factor(1) must be pretty strange then. 15:34:15 i am barely awake here btw 15:34:20 fizzie: maybe overflow 15:34:20 i wish there was like an ignore that ignored ehird when there's math being talked about 15:34:28 and when he's tired 15:34:29 Mine just says: factor: `8119824918791285132865191' is too large 15:34:30 Some factor(1)s don't support bigger than machine-sized ints 15:34:36 Mine says: 8119824918791285132865191: 13960227797 581639858379403 15:34:57 lol 15:35:07 8*8*8*8*8*8*8*8*8*8*6*23*54798378614461 certainly = 8119824918791285132865191 15:35:14 er 15:35:16 no it doesn't 15:35:20 it looks like it does 15:35:23 8119824918791284674527232 15:35:26 but then goes and diverges on yo ass 15:35:29 damn you factor(1) 15:35:31 you are suck ass 15:35:37 let me install gnu factor or something 15:40:11 okay 15:40:12 let's see 15:40:16 -!- FireFly has joined. 15:42:13 Deewiant: Close 15:42:24 Close? 15:42:37 To fully converting it 15:44:25 (1+(2*2*(1+(2*2*(1+(2*2*3*3))))*(1+(2*(1+(2*5*5*5))))*(1+(2*3*3*(1+(2*2*3))*(1+(2*3*3*(1+(2*5))))))))*(1+(2*3*(1+(2*2*(1+(2*3*(1+(2*(1+(2*5))))))))*(1+(2*3*3*5*7))*(1+(2*3*(1+(2*2*(1+(2*3*3*3*3))))))*(1+(2*7*(1+(2*5))*(1+(2*2*2*3*(1+(2*3*3)))))))) 15:44:28 Simplifying, 15:45:44 (1+(4*(1+(4*(1+(4*9))))*(1+(2*(1+(2*5*5*5))))*(1+(2*9*(1+(4*3))*(1+(2*9*(1+(2*5))))))))*(1+(2*3*(1+(4*(1+(6*(1+(2*(1+(2*5))))))))*(1+(2*9*5*7))*(1+(6*(1+(4*(1+(6*9*3))))))*(1+(2*7*(1+(2*5))*(1+(4*6*(1+(2*9)))))))) 15:45:51 Deewiant: You can RPN that yourself :P 15:45:53 What does yours output? 15:46:12 68888888888728*+145994+75838:*+**+76599458**+2379**+****+*****+************ 15:46:32 would be easier to just write it in say base 9 15:46:39 would be shorter than Deewiant's too 15:46:43 '08'@"@@@"f8+'½8';"@SZ@"*+"¿0@e"**+****+*******, the latin-1, is much nicer 15:46:53 Removing parens (that'll be how long it is in RPN) gives 125 for mine, 75 for yours 15:47:11 Pretty funny how well a 4 words+symbol algo is doing against your long prog :P 15:47:29 funny how the trivial solution is better than either of yours 15:47:47 My long prog generalizes to a bunch of stuff 15:47:48 maybe because it's a trivial problem 15:47:48 fucking internet 15:47:49 it's too slow 15:47:53 :-P 15:48:06 oklopol: which trivial solution 15:48:11 Deewiant: True, still 15:48:17 Deewiant: i'm just angry at internet, and tired enough to project. 15:48:17 Deewiant: I can think of a bunch of brute-force improvements to mine 15:48:19 And it isn't that long, either 15:48:22 e.g. subtract a variable amount 15:48:24 not just 1 15:48:26 bruteforce 15:48:37 Sure, bruteforcing is an improvement but also fucking slow :-P 15:48:40 ehird: just write it in the normal canonical number notation 15:48:49 oklopol: that does not execute in befunge 15:48:49 in base 9, if you don't have an A 15:48:52 Deewiant: not really 15:49:04 it's obvious when you'll run into diminishing returns 15:49:06 i think 15:49:38 wouldn't d9*d+9*d+9*... work? 15:49:51 four chars per digit, might lose to Deewiant, too hard to calculate 15:50:02 19*2+9*2+9*7+9*1+9*3+9*4+9*8+9*7+9*5+9*0+9*8+9*6+9*4+9*5+9*3+9*5+9*5+9*3+9*4+9*1+9*1+9*3+9*6+9*8+9*6+9*3+ 15:50:07 Deewiant's wins massively on... other numbers 15:50:08 I think 15:50:10 oklopol: That'd be 100 15:50:18 Since this is a 25-digit number. 15:50:28 Deewiant: in base 9? 15:50:30 or base 10 15:50:32 Base 10. 15:50:37 It's 122713487508645355341136863 in base-9. 15:50:41 you have to do base 9 15:50:54 In base 9 it'd be 105? 15:50:55 oklopol: we have a-f actually. 15:50:58 we're just not using them 15:51:00 anyway, as i said, i was just projecting. 15:51:06 fucking fucking internet 15:51:12 i just want to load like 3 pages 15:51:26 With a-f it's a bit shorter: 88688888888f8+d6781489**+1459**+3488f4+1a8:**+****+*****+************ 15:51:32 oklopol: are you using that gprs thing 15:51:34 blob thing 15:51:37 Deewiant: how long would mine be? 15:51:44 ehird: no, neighbor's net. 15:51:56 oklopol: complain to your neighbour :P 15:52:00 oklopol: 2009-09-01 17:50:54 ( Deewiant) In base 9 it'd be 105? 15:52:16 19642DA3B3043453DAA0CB in base-15, with approximately *4 for the "+f*" parts in-between. 15:52:23 (Uppercase since that's what bc outputs.) 15:52:31 Deewiant: i meant in 16 15:52:38 err right base 15 15:52:43 22 digits in base-15. 15:52:49 85 15:53:15 Oh right, ceiling the end result isn't quite enough is it 15:53:19 Welp, 88 then 15:53:23 87 15:53:30 because the first one doesn't need a + 15:53:36 True that 15:53:41 right? 15:53:48 you still win with 69 15:54:14 (which you should, if you call it an algorithm) 15:54:31 I call lots of simple things algorithms 15:54:38 because this is just a call to zip 15:55:13 well, umm. it was just a figure of your mom 15:55:22 ] 15:55:34 i know, it rhymes 15:56:31 your mom and ] totally rhyme 16:07:20 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 16:12:23 -!- oerjan has joined. 16:15:06 I want a key on my keyboard that is labelled "Ha! You referenced xkcd! You are clearly a funny, culturally relevant and intelligent person." 16:15:50 i'm more worried about my impression that xkcd sometimes seems to be referencing reddit lately... 16:16:16 i wonder if he is spending too much time there ;D 16:17:24 otoh they _do_ have some kind of business partnership 16:17:52 they're in business together selling shitty ties 16:18:19 hm shitty ties. something for GregorR? 16:18:58 Oh, and speaking of 8119824918791285132865191: 16:18:59 3176727665646579168954283320> \:#v_.@ 16:18:59 ^+*9\-1< 16:19:14 Multiple lines: no-go 16:19:17 Hallo. <-- scariest atomic element ever 16:19:52 3176727665646579168954283320>\#+:#* #9 #\ #- #1_ 16:20:16 Yes, that would be a base loop. 16:20:21 Of sorts. 16:20:32 fizzie: why not... base 10? 16:20:38 just sayin' 16:20:40 fizzie: You need a $ at the end 16:20:51 oerjan: 'tis a reference to adium and also scary. 16:20:52 Oh. Yes. 16:21:18 Did 1+ to the base-9 digits to have 0 more easily usable as a end-of-digits marker. 16:21:47 But, err, you have 0 at the top of the stack. 16:22:04 That's the accumulator. 16:22:08 Well, if you can call it that. 16:22:27 :P 16:22:30 the accumulator, it's accumulating 16:22:57 Accumulonimbus clouds today. 16:23:34 heh 16:23:54 acacumollofdimbus on the rimbus its like a rombhus but you dont hve to worry oh no 16:24:08 *rhombus 16:24:24 Rombhus is a type of house, I think. 16:24:36 et rombiskt hus 16:25:49 "—and he build a crooked house—" was about gay arriage in rhombusses 16:26:15 rhombu bus s yststem 16:26:17 gets you from A to B 16:26:20 in a rhombus 16:26:57 `define arriage 16:26:59 No output. 16:27:06 horse and arriage 16:27:12 horseless arriages 16:27:23 -!- ais523 has joined. 16:27:45 hi ais523 16:27:52 we're talking about gay marriage in 4-dimensional shapes 16:27:57 well, just me rather 16:28:04 hmm... well, I'm not particularly surprised 16:28:06 wait, no 16:28:11 rhombuses aren't 4 dimensional 16:28:21 but "—and he built a crooked house—" was about a tesseract 16:28:24 but I said build, not built 16:28:45 SO THEREFORE MAGIC HAPPENS HERE and we come back to comprehension on the rhombus bus services, gets you from A to B in a rhombus 16:30:00 do you understand ais523. 16:30:31 possibly I could if I wanted to 16:30:34 but I'm not trying to 16:30:35 so no 16:30:49 you will never be salvaged from the burning ruins of a dead rhombusbus, gets you from A to B in a rhombus 16:33:41 -!- pikhq has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 16:34:14 * oerjan now wonders what the heck Picard-Vessiot theory has to do with the possibility of four-dimensional houses 16:34:27 Deewiant: If I got my base-64 right, this one assumes only ASCII. The "decompression" takes up more space than the "digits" even for 8119824918791285132865191, though: 16:34:29 "gzZTSbG]B]I\wZ"0>:#+\#* #* #8 #8 #\ #- #* #8 #8_$ 16:34:35 oerjan: eh? 16:34:49 I don't see where you got Picard-Vessiot theory from 16:34:55 ehird: it's mentioned in wp's article on "And he built a crooked house" 16:35:10 *“—And He Built a Crooked House—” 16:35:11 the link leads to a page on galois theory which doesn't mention the term 16:35:12 fizzie: That's a bit longer than the base-9 one, isn't it? 16:35:27 oerjan: eh, just read the story 16:35:28 it's short 16:35:39 Deewiant: Yes, by one character, if I add the missing $ there too. 16:36:10 The repetition of 88* is inelegant, but \ is so limited. 16:36:22 Yep. 16:36:42 ehird: nah, i'm just suspecting technobabble here 16:36:55 I don't recall any technobabble 16:37:01 It's a good story anyway 16:37:25 I wonder what the minimal number is whereafter parsers like that take up less space than plain +*-representations of the number 16:38:10 oerjan: http://web.archive.org/web/20000902022857/http://www.scifi.com/scifiction/classics/classics_archive/heinlein/heinlein1.html 16:38:11 -!- pikhq has joined. 16:38:14 Hasn't fully loaded for me yet, but 16:38:46 Nope, just errors out 16:39:02 * ehird tries a later date 16:39:06 That page works fine 16:39:19 Pages 2 and 3 as well 16:39:38 Deewiant: Reusing the obvious \ both ways make the base-64 one shorter by one char than the base-9: "gzZTSbG]B]I\wZ"0>:#+ #* #* #8 #8\ #- #* #8 #8_$ 16:39:52 Deewiant: Flash detection fails here 16:39:56 * ehird uses w3m 16:40:01 Ah! 16:40:03 oerjan: http://web.archive.org/web/20080115153446/http://www.scifi.com/scifiction/classics/classics_archive/heinlein/heinlein1.html 16:40:05 Loads quickly, etc. 16:40:16 what lang is that? Befunge? 16:40:26 ehird: Loads much slower than the other one :-P 16:40:33 Deewiant: Stop living in opposites world. 16:40:40 Thus far, not at all 16:40:50 Try refreshing 16:40:51 Worked for me 16:41:06 Yes, evidently 16:41:06 Deewiant: erm the other one errored out for me 16:41:20 Now both work for me 16:41:31 Annoyingly, I need to resize my window small 16:41:33 I'm even starting to get pictures :-O 16:41:36 Otherwise the black text goes on the green background 16:41:46 ehird: The old link doesn't have that problem 16:41:55 Yes, but it also redirects my browser 16:42:16 This is why we have things like NoScript. 16:42:29 This is why we have things like not using shitty websites 16:42:53 Not always an option 16:43:17 Deewiant: Still a bit shorter: "gzZTSbG]B]I\wZ"0>:#+\#* #@' $#\ #- #@' $# _$ 16:43:19 ah thanks for the resizing tip 16:43:24 oerjan: yw :P 16:43:35 Heh, #@' $# 16:43:42 3$&*(#Y$(&#*$(& to you too 16:44:05 The $s ate a bit of the savings '@ gave me over 88*. 16:44:42 Would it take less space to use "" and k$ instead of #? 16:45:06 Actually it seems to be rather nice with just "" both ways, since I don't have to jump over the @ then. 16:46:25 Possibly this would work, haven't tested: "gzZTSbG]B]I\wZ"0>:#+ #*"@"$#\\#-"@"$# _$ 16:46:41 $# _$ 16:46:44 Druggiefunge 16:48:19 fizzie: Doesn't seem to. 16:48:37 Ah, but neither did the previous. 16:48:55 Well, there could be some other error. I don't have a bignum funge, I've just been thinking aloud here. 16:48:56 Or the one before that. 16:49:10 They do all give the same number (90), though. :-P 16:49:42 I tested the base-9 for a smaller number, so the theory is sound. :p 16:49:59 Right, the : there is before the \. 16:49:59 Yes, base-9 works, but your base-64 doesn't. 16:50:26 Try something like "gzZTSbG]B]I\wZ"0>\#+ #*"@"$#\:#-"@"$# _$ 16:51:03 8119824918791284998647463 16:52:20 I did the base-64 digits manually, since bc(1) only goes up to obase=16, based on the obase=2 binary output of 8119824918791285132865191, so an error might've crept in. 16:52:59 Yes, there's one flipped bit in there. 16:53:09 Somewhere around the middle of it. 16:53:49 8119824918791285132865191-8119824918791284998647463 = 134217728 = 2^27, so it's that bit. 16:54:42 Anyway, I'm sure that with enough ingenuity it's possible to use that same "@" to provide both the '@- and the '@* numbers. Maybe I should try to permute it a bit. 16:56:41 Can it really be as simple as "gzZTSbG]B]I\wZ"0>\#+:#*"@"-#\\# _$ or did I mess something new up, in addition to that one digit? 16:57:25 Er, I obviously mean the less retarded "gzZTSbG]B]I\wZ"0>\#+:#*"@"-#\_$ 16:57:30 You can get Erlang and efunge and try it yourself, if you like 16:57:48 I'm at work... hey, wait, there's Erlang on this thing. 16:58:02 That latest one seems to be an infinite loop 16:58:13 Yes, it's missing one space. 16:58:23 "gzZTSbG]B]I\wZ"0>\#+:#*"@"-# \_$ 16:58:28 It's probably not the latest erlang v2009-08. 16:58:32 Or whatever. 16:58:46 It's "Erlang (BEAM) emulator version 5.6.3", whatever that means. Probably ancient. 16:59:20 Mine is 5.7.1 and the efunge version I've got here got warnings about doing deprecated things 16:59:45 Anyway, that is indeed 8119824918791284998647463 17:00:10 -!- puzzlet_ has joined. 17:00:22 Well, now, that last one has a pretty nifty base-64-depackifier. I ♥ befunge. 17:00:40 ais523: you know how you said 9-nines would be ridiculous? 17:00:52 -!- oerjan has quit ("Later"). 17:00:53 ehird: in what context? 17:01:09 uptime 17:02:03 -!- puzzlet has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 17:02:49 fizzie: Is your base-64 just 64 characters starting at '@'? 17:02:56 "AXD301 -- 99.9999999% reliability (9 nines) (31 ms. year!)" 17:03:10 Deewiant: Yes, it's not the more common base-64. 17:03:36 fizzie: But the printable characters end at 126 17:04:08 Deewiant: Fortunately your example number didn't have any other digits. :p 17:04:25 :-P 17:04:43 Deewiant: You can trivially change that to "base-63 starting from ASCII '?'" with a s/@/?/. 17:04:44 fizzie: Yeah, that's what I meant 17:04:52 It's an Erlang switcher system thing 17:04:52 You can do base-96 if you start from ' ' 17:04:59 How on earth can they commit to 9 nines; it becomes meaningless at that point 17:12:20 But then I'd lose the nifty "substract and multiply constant both ways" thing. 17:12:20 Would be an advantage for larger numbers, sure. 17:12:20 Bicurious Befunge: "I'll subtract and multiply your constant both ways, baby." 17:12:20 -!- iano has joined. 17:12:20 Deewiant: I could start from '#' since then I could do '# which is push-35 in one direction and do-nothing the other way. Still wouldn't be quite that short though. 17:12:20 -!- iano has quit (Client Quit). 17:12:20 Hmm, 2^64-1 is ff2+14'@*+1a'@*+128'@:***+"a7 /Q"***+***** 17:12:20 By that time it's already better to use that base-64-reader 17:12:20 lawl 17:12:21 Of course, it's also 28'@'@:*:**:***1- if you apply some extra cleverness 17:13:53 You can do 0 ... 63^11-1 = 62050608388552823487 > 2^64 with 11 base-64 digits, and the extraction part -- 0>\#+:#*"@"-# \_$ -- is 17 characters, so that's an upper bound of 28 characters for any constant for a "normal" funge on a "normal" machine. 17:14:26 Er, base-63, I mean, and ? instead of @ there. 17:14:47 Bongggggggggggggggggggg 17:15:19 63^11-1 is a nice one: "?11111QQ":*:******** 17:17:13 That's certainly nicer than the base-63 representation, "}}}}}}}}}}}"0>\#+:#*"?"-# \_$ (again untested) 17:17:40 "Factoring large prime numbers is, in general, hard." 17:17:40 — GNU Coreutils manual 17:17:48 Thanks, FSF! 17:18:06 ... ? 17:18:20 You think that doesn't belong in a manual? 17:19:11 It's sort of like saying "Removing a file will render you unable to access its contents" in the rm manual :P 17:19:19 Meh, I just found it funny 17:19:25 Not really, IMO 17:19:38 The latter is kind of obvious, the former is specialized knowledge 17:20:00 It also continues with relevant stuff: "The Pollard Rho algorithm used by factor is particularly effective for numbers with relatively small factors. If you wish to factor large numbers which do not have small factors (for example, numbers which are the product of two large primes), other methods are far better." 17:20:01 I wouldn't expect people to know that factorization is computationally hard unless they're computer-sciencey 17:20:36 Though they could say "(for example, if you are trying to break RSA encryption)" there. 17:20:45 :-P 17:23:09 I hope nobody does that :P 17:23:24 Try to break RSA? 17:23:34 Try to break RSA with factor(1). 17:23:44 Worth a try 17:23:57 Yes but there is sort of a lot of stuff encrypted with RSA. 17:23:58 It would be bad. 17:24:16 Yes, it is concievable that NSA's secret factorization algorithms have accidentally ended up in GNU Coreutils. 17:24:17 You fear success? :-P 17:24:46 Deewiant: How much stuff have you got encrypted with pgp? 17:25:17 Not much 17:25:25 Well, then :P 17:25:38 Eh 17:25:42 Even if I had, I wouldn't worry 17:25:45 It'd just melt down all of our current security entirely 17:25:49 which isn't very good 17:25:55 No, it wouldn't succeed :-P 17:27:31 Deewiant: What wouldn't? 17:27:39 Breaking RSA with factor(1) 17:27:46 fizzie added factor(1) as a joke 17:27:50 I never said factor(1) 17:28:03 Oh, I thought he clarified what you meant 17:28:10 No :P 17:33:11 I want to make a cocktail of like 10 energy drinks. 17:33:18 And not drink it due to valuing my life. 17:33:32 Deewiant, factor(1) errors out for too large numbers iirc 17:33:53 or maybe I misremember 17:34:13 If it's the coreutils one, you can compile it with GMP support for large numbers. 17:34:29 % gfactor 999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 17:34:29 [hang] 17:34:31 ah indeed.. it errors out on my ubuntu system but not my gentoo desktop 17:34:35 Maybe I shouldn't have picked such a big counterexample. 17:36:06 fizzie, you can make use of multiple cpus to speed up factoring right? 17:36:28 well depends on your algorithm. At least the naive one should be easy to speed up that way 17:37:11 No-one factors large numbers with that one, though. But yes, I think there are good parallel algorithms for it. 17:37:37 What I have no clue about is the state-of-the-art in number-factoring. 17:38:05 "We can break real-world RSA in 2^97 years!" 17:38:37 fizzie, of course no one use the naive one for large numbers. At least no one sane. 17:41:06 Based on some quick googling, the current records from the RSA Factoring Challenge were done on an 80-node cluster. 17:41:13 Mine is 5.7.1 and the efunge version I've got here got warnings about doing deprecated things 17:41:14 um 17:41:17 what efunge version 17:41:49 and that is R13B-0 right? 17:42:17 Deewiant, no warnings on V5.7.2 for me with trunk or athr branch. 17:42:58 "The efunge version I've got here" sounds like it might not be the newest. 17:43:11 you use lp:efunge/trunk right? Not on rage.kuonet.org (see bzr info, look for "parent branch") 17:43:36 fizzie, btw 5.6.3 is probably too old 17:43:41 for things to work correctly 17:44:03 I'm pretty sure that at least input will cause an exception with that old version. 17:44:30 R13B or later is pretty much required, since I use some unicode stuff that was added in that version 17:44:37 for input that is 17:47:42 I don't know what it was, some old trunk I haven't updated in months 17:48:02 Deewiant, just curious, what was reported as deprecated? 17:48:08 if you remember that is 17:48:17 IIRC something about "array" or some such now being a primitive 17:48:45 Something becoming standard and thus using it in a variable name is deprecated, or something like that 17:48:55 Deewiant, oh right, remember that. Yeah your copy is outdated 17:49:03 Deewiant, well a type spec name in fact 17:49:04 iirc 17:49:11 Yes, I knew that it was outdated 18:01:07 -!- Slereah_ has joined. 18:15:02 -!- Slereah has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 18:22:56 Deewiant, btw, most of your projects seems to be in haskell rather than D. Why didn't you decide to code ccbi2 in haskell too? 18:54:11 -!- Pthing has joined. 18:59:00 speaking for myself, it can be hard to predict performance in Haskell 19:10:45 Asztal, mhm 19:11:23 Asztal, considering how much Deewiant complained about the hash library in D recently I think his opinion is it is hard to predict performance in D too XD 19:11:35 (tends to be rather easy in C though) 19:50:35 -!- ais523 has quit (Remote closed the connection). 19:56:15 -!- M0ny has joined. 20:01:36 -!- pikhq has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 20:04:59 -!- pikhq has joined. 20:27:37 -!- nooga has joined. 20:34:20 set f {x y: x+y} print f 1 2 #=> 3 20:35:50 set [: {until :] items : map items {x: x*2}} [[: 1 2 3 :] [: 4 :]] #=> [[2 4 6] [8]] 20:35:57 cool/uncool? 20:36:41 nooga, language? 20:37:26 editing the panel in gnome is seriously annoying 20:37:27 ehird, ^ 20:37:43 possibly the "lock to panel" thingy is messing things up 20:37:44 not sure 20:38:17 set unless {cond `begin until `end terms : if not cond terms} 20:38:32 unless == a b begin do_sth end 20:38:38 like uh 20:38:54 defining functions with own pattern that parses args 20:41:14 nooga, what language.... 20:41:20 none 20:41:23 hm ok 20:41:26 just a concept 20:41:55 AnMaster: Nah, it's fairly easy to predict in D. 20:41:56 nooga, to me it looks vaguely like a mix of perl and some functional language XD 20:42:02 liek sadol with longer IDs, lambda and this pattern thingy 20:42:05 Deewiant, oh? "it sucks"? 20:42:11 ;P 20:42:21 AnMaster: If it's a feature built in to the compiler, then yeah. ;-) 20:42:34 Deewiant, isn't the language itself built in? 20:42:42 in a manner of speaking 20:42:44 -!- Ilari has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 20:42:49 oh right 20:42:51 -!- oklofok has joined. 20:42:52 Yes yes, you know what I meant. :-P 20:42:54 it sucks by weird compiler bugs 20:42:54 lol, i wrote 'liek' accidentally for the first time in my life 20:43:03 ah 20:43:05 like wrong file in debug info 20:43:27 As for CCBI2, two reasons: 1. I had 6000 lines of D code for a Befunge interp already... 2. Since we're all performance-crazy and the whole thing is rather imperative in nature, Haskell isn't that great a fit. 20:43:32 what are you talking about? :| 20:43:37 Deewiant, right 20:43:44 nooga, ccbi... 20:43:50 oh, ok 20:44:02 Deewiant, 6800 lines only? 20:44:20 AnMaster: That's not a weird bug, it's quite a sensible one actually. 20:44:27 http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=ccbi&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 20:44:35 One of them is still unfixed, even. 20:44:51 Language Files Code Comment Comment % Blank Total 20:44:51 ---------------- ----- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- 20:44:51 c 95 8848 3542 28.6% 1597 13987 20:44:52 -!- Ilari has joined. 20:44:53 It doesn't really matter since the mangled name contains the module where it is :-P 20:44:57 Deewiant, 6800 lines isn't a lot 20:45:04 AnMaster: It was less than 10000 last I checked. 20:45:21 And I said 6000, not 6800. 20:45:23 bork 20:45:26 It's probably more like 8000 though. 20:45:30 I can't remember. 20:45:35 Deewiant, plus another 2745 LOC (4573 total) for the lib directory, which contains libghthash and genx 20:45:45 oh and that stringbuffer too 20:46:01 what about your bf to C ? 20:46:07 nooga, which one of them 20:46:14 nooga, and they are all dormant 20:46:22 the projects I mean 20:46:35 oh 20:46:50 why's that? i thought that was a rather interesting topic 20:47:45 nooga, didn't know enough CS to write a better optimiser at that time. My choice of design was a bit limited. Maybe I'll write yet another one in a few years. 20:47:48 *shrug* 20:48:00 CS? 20:48:06 ah 20:48:07 computer science 20:48:12 yeah 20:48:20 as in, I couldn't work out how to work the graphs :P 20:48:25 the firs thing i thought about was Counter-Strike 20:48:37 nooga, that is the last thing that would come to my mind for CS 20:48:58 1) computer science 2) file extension for C# 3) hm no idea... 4) oh wait... 5) wasn 20:48:59 maybe that's because i played half-life 1 for last 12h 20:49:02 wasn't* it some game? 20:49:09 6) damn don't remember what that game was called 20:49:21 nooga, I never played half life 20:49:22 :P 20:49:23 or cs 20:49:25 or whatever 20:49:32 never played cs 20:49:37 it's boring 20:49:37 ? 20:49:39 mhm 20:49:48 but hl1 is a memmory from childhood 20:49:53 uhu 20:50:01 ;] 20:50:13 nooga, age? 20:50:21 current? 20:50:26 well yes 20:50:28 21, probably 20:50:37 and when you played half life? 20:50:43 i don't remember 20:50:45 btw, half life of what? 20:50:51 GHHHH 20:51:00 uranium? thorium? 20:51:02 something else 20:51:03 ? 20:51:09 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-Life_(video_game) 20:51:09 nooga, what? 20:51:15 GHHHH <-- why that 20:51:43 and yes I know it is a game, I just wonder what element the title of that game refers too 20:51:45 to* 20:51:48 onomatopoeia 20:51:57 i mean that GHHHH 20:52:04 but the title 20:52:21 i think it refers to some person that if half dead 20:52:24 or something 20:52:26 ;p 20:52:35 uhu 20:52:39 sounds boring 20:53:25 no, it's just fucking awesome 20:53:38 nooga, I never liked first person shooters 20:53:45 me too 20:53:49 uh? 20:53:52 you dislike them too 20:53:56 yea 20:53:57 ? 20:54:02 buut that one is cool 20:54:11 nor third person shooters btw. 20:54:14 Half-Life is just a scientific term, it has no particular meaning in the context of the game 20:54:21 though first person ones are worse 20:54:31 They have expansions called "Blue Shift" and such, too. 20:54:39 never seen that 20:54:56 Deewiant, blue shift refers to Doppler effect? 20:55:08 Yes 20:55:10 I can't think of anything else it could refer to 20:55:22 funny: if you translate half-life to Polish it will look like: czas połowicznego rozpadu 20:55:27 Deewiant, so what has that got to do with half life? 20:55:35 AnMaster: Nothing, as I just explained. 20:55:54 blie shift -> przesunięcie ku fioletowi 20:55:56 I guess uranium travelling at high speed towards you would blue shift ;P 20:56:07 nooga, "blie"? 20:56:09 blue* 20:56:11 typo 20:56:13 mhm 20:56:28 en:half-life = sv:halveringstid 20:56:40 much cooler 20:56:41 lets hear the fi one Deewiant! 20:56:54 nooga, it literally means "halving-time" 20:57:08 Puoliintumisaika 20:57:13 Deewiant, nice one 20:57:24 Deewiant, how the hell do you pronounce it 20:57:30 And also literally "halving-time" 20:57:38 mhm 20:57:44 [ˈpuɔliːn̪t̪umisˌɑikɑ] 20:57:54 Deewiant, mhm 20:58:04 Deewiant, what is the dirt below the n and the t? 20:58:23 I'm not sure, I just copied that from Wiktionary 20:58:27 pl:czas połowicznego rozpadu = en:half decay time 20:58:50 -!- Hiato has joined. 20:59:31 Evidently it means they're dental consonants 21:00:16 If you wanted to know what ̪ /is/, it's U+032A COMBINING BRIDGE BELOW 21:00:24 it seems en:blue shift is sv:blåförskjutning according to Wikipedia 21:00:32 sounds familiar too 21:00:41 fi:sinisiirtymä 21:01:02 Blåförskjutning.. I think I've heard about that once 21:01:05 well literal translation of the sv: one would end up as blue shift I think 21:01:10 FireFly, same... 21:01:23 FireFly, rödförskjutning too it seems 21:01:34 Haven't heard about that one, though 21:01:41 "Blåförskjutning är motsatsen till rödförskjutning" 21:01:46 Oh, great information 21:01:50 how would you write swedish word "lax" in IPA? 21:01:56 FireFly, well the red one isn't a stub 21:01:58 so it would help 21:01:59 Funny, I'd've thought red shift is better known 21:02:00 Ah, the article about the red one was a bit longer 21:02:03 to click the link 21:02:03 I noticed now 21:02:15 Deewiant, oh? 21:02:31 Deewiant, why is that 21:02:32 Yes 21:02:53 Deewiant, why is that Yes 21:02:58 to quote FireFly: 21:03:01 Oh, great information 21:03:02 AnMaster: That's not what you asked 21:03:11 Deewiant, well... 21:03:14 Deewiant, oh? 21:03:14 Deewiant, why is that 21:03:14 Yes 21:03:19 maybe it was for the former 21:03:27 2009-09-01 23:02:15 ( AnMaster) Deewiant, oh? 21:03:27 2009-09-01 23:02:29 ( Deewiant) Yes 21:03:27 2009-09-01 23:02:32 ( AnMaster) Deewiant, why is that 21:03:37 And from a NPOV: 21:03:38 [22:02:15] Deewiant, oh? 21:03:38 [22:02:32] Yes 21:03:38 [22:02:32] Deewiant, why is that 21:03:48 there was a 2 sec difference here :P 21:04:05 Anyway, for the "why", redshift is much more prominent in astronomy 21:04:18 Deewiant, ah hm right 21:04:24 " I vissa fall förekommer också det motsatta fenomenet, blåförskjutning." 21:04:33 Seems like blue ones are less common 21:04:35 -!- oklopol has quit (No route to host). 21:04:38 And therefore more unknown? 21:04:41 Or, less known* 21:04:45 from CS to red shift 21:04:55 nooga, what a shift of topic ;P 21:04:55 #esoteric 21:05:57 Yeah, #esoteric, and therefore we may not talk about anything remotely related to esolangs 21:06:49 Well, redshift is just what you're more likely to run into so I'd consider it more likely that one has never heard of blueshift 21:06:59 FireFly, we did talk about ccbi above 21:07:04 Of course, if you actually know what either is, it should be obvious what the other is. 21:07:08 Oh noes! 21:07:12 Someone, ban AnMaster! 21:07:16 FireFly, and Deewiant 21:07:22 And *!*@* 21:07:26 oh yes indeed 21:07:36 AnMaster, you said it again! 21:07:38 That'll make sure all discussion is on-topic, at least 21:10:23 -!- oklopol has joined. 21:11:16 FireFly, said what again? 21:11:34 You talked about esolangs again, or rather, mentioned ccbi 21:11:45 FireFly, So did you now! 21:11:46 :P 21:11:56 And it was a semi-pun of the Holy Grail knights who say Ni 21:12:01 With "you said it again!" 21:12:15 FireFly, that reference was too far fetched by far 21:12:21 I guess 21:12:33 -!- Hiato has quit ("Leaving."). 21:12:35 far too far fetched 21:12:39 far too far fetched by far 21:12:53 FireFly, ah yes that would have been even better 21:13:40 FireFly, I'm pretty sure "you said it again" is not unique to the knights who use the Swedish word for first person plural :P 21:13:45 err 21:13:47 second person 21:13:51 I think 21:13:58 damn, I forgot my grammar :P 21:14:12 Definitely not first person, at least 21:14:16 Second, yeah 21:14:16 yeah 21:14:16 hi/ 21:14:17 I guess 21:14:23 TYPO!!!!!!!!!@@!!21212 21:14:28 i meant ni 21:14:35 XD 21:14:42 nooga, så vad vill ni? 21:14:44 ;P 21:14:55 jag va inte 21:15:06 You probably want "vet" there 21:15:12 ah yes 21:15:41 Swedish must be confusing for someone not knowing the language at all 21:15:47 Or language family 21:16:14 But so is probably all languages, depending on how far away they are from other languages one knows 21:16:33 my brother speaks swedish almost fluently 21:16:43 FireFly, do you think that smorgasbord is one of the funniest English words? 21:16:56 English? 21:16:58 just from reading few books and listening swedish radio 21:17:02 I think it's one of those stupidest loan words 21:17:10 FireFly, yes, they copied it and dropped the dots 21:17:11 and being there for a month 21:17:11 ...is it an english loan word? 21:17:16 ...I didn't know 21:17:20 FireFly, they loaned it from Swedish 21:17:25 Obviously, yeah 21:17:30 It sounds... really odd 21:17:32 And stupid 21:17:35 exactly 21:17:36 -!- Azstal has joined. 21:17:42 But I guess it's partly because I'm used to it 21:17:50 To the swedish one, I mean 21:18:02 yeah 21:18:09 en:smorgasbord = pl:szwedzki stół 21:18:10 FireFly, they loaned ombudsman too btw 21:18:19 Why? 21:18:24 whish means literally Swedish table 21:18:25 FireFly, how should I know 21:18:27 Because they do that 21:18:33 English is a parasite, feeding off other languages 21:18:34 I mean, sandwhich table sounds all right to me 21:18:38 Way better, at least 21:18:43 FireFly, I guess because we invented the concept 21:18:53 btw. GOD I LOVE FOOD AT IKEA 21:19:01 FireFly, iirc they loaned gravad lax too... but for once put it into *one* word 21:19:08 A friend of mine ate swedish meatballs when he was in the States 21:19:10 lax lax lax 21:19:10 At IKEA 21:19:11 usually it is Swedish that writes words together instead 21:19:12 Finns have had it as long as the Swedes, I think 21:19:21 <3 lax 21:19:27 ` lax 21:19:28 No output. 21:19:35 :< 21:19:41 Not that kind of grave accent 21:19:46 FireFly, gravadlax ... doesn't that look weird? 21:20:04 It looks written together 21:20:13 fi:graavilohi 21:20:19 ravioli? 21:20:20 gravioli? 21:20:21 FireFly, iirc that is how they do it. Unlike Swedish.. for once 21:20:31 ravioli is from it: right? 21:20:36 I guess 21:20:38 So is pizza 21:20:42 some kind of pasta? 21:20:44 or? 21:20:45 And I'm happy we didn't invent a word for it 21:21:13 FireFly, iirc norwegian translated broadcasting to "kringkastning". Not sure what the Swedish word is in fact 21:21:41 that reminds me I'm hungry 21:22:00 nooga, no you are Polish, not from hungry :P 21:22:03 (bad pun!) 21:22:32 Hungary 21:22:38 FireFly, yeah 21:22:47 which was what made the pun so bad 21:22:51 "from hungry" doesn't make sense 21:22:59 At least you could spell out the country name :P 21:23:04 Anyway 21:23:07 broadcasting... 21:23:14 Sända? 21:23:25 FireFly, that is en:send right? 21:23:30 I guess 21:23:41 FireFly, it would be more like sänd till alla 21:23:46 which sound weird 21:23:47 hm 21:23:51 radio 21:23:51 To transmit a message or signal via radio waves or electronic means 21:23:51 sända 21:23:51 direktsända 21:23:55 Says tyda.se 21:24:00 tyda.se? 21:24:04 * AnMaster wonders what that is 21:24:05 Translation thingie 21:24:08 ah 21:24:11 tyda 21:24:12 As in 21:24:15 To.. understand? 21:24:16 Urgh 21:24:17 A URL, obviously 21:24:18 Not really 21:24:20 And yeah 21:24:29 tyda: to interpret 21:24:39 (fi: tulkita) 21:24:40 Uh, yeah, better translation 21:24:50 -!- oklofok has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 21:24:51 FireFly, direktsändning would be live broadcasting then? 21:24:55 I guess 21:24:59 or why did you mention it above 21:25:13 I didn't, the site did 21:25:16 And 21:25:21 Referring to an interpreter as "tydare" would look strange 21:25:32 FireFly, tolk? 21:25:39 nah 21:25:42 (fi:tulkki) 21:25:42 that would be translator 21:25:57 tolk would me more like compiler 21:25:59 And no, tolk = en:interpreter 21:26:03 Oh 21:26:09 O_o 21:26:10 fi:tulkki = en:interpreter in the context of computers as well 21:26:16 Not sure about se:tolk there 21:26:57 Firehm 21:27:12 there is a course for this 21:27:16 let me check the course name 21:27:21 You forgot , 21:27:26 Before the "hm" 21:27:30 yeah 21:27:38 FireFly, actually, tab inserts , and space 21:27:53 FireFly: no it does not 21:27:53 Ah 21:28:04 it inserts : and space 21:28:14 Depends on the settings of your client, pretty much 21:28:15 nooga, .................... stop being silly..... depends on client of course 21:28:16 I prefer , to : 21:28:20 sure :D 21:28:31 But I want my tab to autocomplete with only nick 21:28:36 Always 21:28:39 So that's how I havet it 21:28:42 have* 21:28:51 FireFly, unless at start of line it just completes with space :P 21:28:57 -!- Asztal has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 21:29:07 FireFly, FireFly FireFly FireFly FireFly FireFly FireFly <-- like that, was just f a few times 21:29:26 spam: spam spam spam spam spam spam spam 21:29:39 Deewiant, :) 21:29:45 sausage 21:29:48 bacon 21:29:49 spam 21:29:55 sbam 21:30:12 fuck oru.se.... needs to be www.oru.se 21:31:48 Datateknik C, Kompilatorer och interpretatorer, 7,5 högskolepoäng, valbar* 21:31:48 so 21:32:13 Örebro 21:32:14 in the context of computers, at least in that course name it is not "tolk" 21:32:17 FireFly, yes? 21:32:34 Just thinking loudly 21:32:44 FireFly, :P 21:33:04 That's relatively central, right? 21:33:09 E.g. in central sweden 21:33:09 FireFly, eh? 21:33:12 Horizontal-wise 21:33:24 Meh 21:33:28 FireFly, google maps? 21:33:29 Isn't it? 21:33:30 google earth 21:33:48 FireFly, anyway a bit south of stockholm in the N/S direction 21:34:05 and near the middle in the E/W direction 21:34:09 yeah 21:34:24 FireFly, need to read up on geography :P 21:34:34 I know my geography sucks :< 21:35:01 FireFly, so where is Kiruna? 21:35:09 north or south... 21:35:11 ...north :P 21:35:14 ... of the polar circle 21:35:16 ? 21:35:17 Uh 21:35:30 North of the northern whateverthoselinesonthemaparecalled 21:35:31 I think? 21:35:40 whateverthoselinesonthemaparecalled <-- err? 21:35:52 "on therma ???" 21:35:59 I forgot the names of the lines 21:36:00 on the map 21:36:10 ah 21:36:19 well polarcirkel in Swedish 21:36:25 iirc 21:36:39 FireFly, North or south of Narvik? 21:36:48 and what about relative Gällivari? (spelling?) 21:36:50 Narvik... I think I've heard of it 21:37:05 FireFly, yeah in norway 21:37:32 Meh, I don't really know, as I said my geography isn't really good :P 21:37:33 FireFly, iron ore mines in Kirnua you know? Sent by train to Narvik, then taken away with ships 21:37:39 Hm 21:37:41 Ah 21:37:54 yeah, I was in Abisko a few years ago 21:37:58 Last summer, IIRC 21:38:04 So I should know this better, I guess :P 21:38:13 narvik is north of Kiruna 21:38:20 (time was out) 21:38:24 -!- Azstal has quit ("."). 21:38:40 FireFly, also I was in Kiruna this summer. Never went quite as far north as Abisko 21:39:15 FireFly, btw where is Göteborg relative Stockholm? 21:39:20 South 21:39:23 N/S wise, that is 21:39:24 Of course 21:39:29 Otherwise, west :P 21:39:30 "of course"? 21:39:36 oh right 21:39:38 that of course 21:39:53 Well, you can take it granted that I know that Göteborg is on the western coast of Sweden :P 21:39:54 FireFly, jönköping relative göteborg? 21:40:03 mostly east? 21:40:09 And 21:40:12 A bit... south? 21:40:16 Though not a lot 21:40:23 Is my guess 21:40:35 FireFly, not a lot in that case, on this map I just double checked on it looked at the same level 21:41:03 possibly slightly north, but not sure 21:41:24 FireFly, where is Ekeby? 21:41:24 Well yeah, I though they were pretty leveled 21:41:27 ...no idea 21:41:42 FireFly, trick question. There are lots of places named ekeby :P 21:42:01 google earth pops up 9. and I see two ones missing there at least 22:13:14 ö 22:16:28 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Remote closed the connection). 22:17:28 -!- M0ny has quit. 22:22:40 -!- MigoMipo has quit ("QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server"). 22:48:59 -!- coppro has joined.