00:25:19 -!- coppro has quit (Remote closed the connection). 00:27:30 -!- coppro has joined. 00:43:42 i am from the future 00:43:57 I traveled from 1992 to hear you say that. 00:44:06 "i can reference xkcd 00:44:10 i am culturally relevant" 00:44:26 "and socially respectable, also." 00:44:35 in the future we have no folly 00:45:39 whoa you can do 00:45:40 do 00:45:43 foo 00:45:47 while (blah); 00:45:49 that looks so wrong. 00:48:15 in what language? 00:49:37 C 00:49:46 it's just part of the general if (x) y thing 00:49:52 but you can do it for do/while, which looks freaky! 00:49:59 also. 00:50:04 I prefer K&R declarations 00:50:05 am I insane? 00:50:54 Yes. 00:51:08 pikhq: but 00:51:12 I prefer a proper typesystem. 00:51:12 main(argc,argv) 00:51:15 you know right there 00:51:18 it's passing argc and argv 00:51:20 that's helpful 00:51:21 then 00:51:22 int argc; 00:51:24 ok we want an int 00:51:27 char *argv[]; 00:51:28 ok 00:51:29 but 00:51:32 main(int argc, char *argv[]) 00:51:35 the names are buried 00:51:38 you have to digest it all at once 00:51:41 which isn't very procedural 00:53:01 i'm just crazy :( 00:59:07 but "modern" C looks so ugly. 00:59:07 so unreadable. so much metacruft. 00:59:07 K&R is a bit redundant, but the problem is that it has no type-safety 00:59:07 erm 00:59:07 int 00:59:07 main(argc,argv) 00:59:07 int argc; 00:59:07 char *argv[]; 00:59:07 { 00:59:07 how is that not type safe 00:59:07 ehird: the caller sees "int foo (var)" and has no idea what to pass 00:59:07 I completely agree about the ugliness 00:59:07 plz see ↑ 00:59:07 the standards committee refuses to add keywords :( 00:59:07 K&R is *easier* to digest 00:59:07 you get some semi-descriptive names, so you know the general order; and then you can poke at the indented bit next (up to unindented { - very easy to spot) and see the specific types for each 00:59:07 and this also makes it easier to read linearly too 00:59:07 great. what is argc? 00:59:07 sorry, mistype 00:59:07 [[int 00:59:07 main(argc,argv) 00:59:07 int argc; 00:59:07 char *argv[]; 00:59:07 { 00:59:07 ]] 00:59:07 except 00:59:07 with more indentation 00:59:07 no, I mean the declaration 00:59:07 there's a tab before those argc/argv type lines 00:59:07 for the definition it's fine 00:59:07 coppro: well sure 00:59:07 for the declaration, do 00:59:07 int main(int,char*[]) or something 00:59:07 because declarations are shit 00:59:07 they're just hacks for compilers 00:59:07 so I don't really care about style in declarations 00:59:07 declarations are also hacks for people 00:59:07 PEOPLE SUCK 00:59:07 SCREW PEOPLE 00:59:07 yes. declarations are a portal to perfect understanding of a function 00:59:07 that's why we don't have any man pages. 00:59:07 int 00:59:07 execve(const char *path, char *const argv[], char *const envp[]); 00:59:07 shazam! 00:59:07 I know comprehend everything about execve 00:59:07 * coppro is not a fan of a manpage-per-function approach 00:59:07 int 00:59:07 snprintf(char *restrict s, size_t n, const char *restrict format, ...); 00:59:07 oh, of course! 00:59:07 coppro: still 00:59:07 documentation 00:59:07 void *mmap(void *addr, size_t length, int prot, int flags, 00:59:07 int fd, off_t offset); 00:59:07 GregorR: Oh! It's obvious! 00:59:07 ehird: I agree. Still easier to scan a file than load up the documentation and attempt to track something down 00:59:07 except 00:59:07 header files never include docs. 00:59:07 then use C++ 00:59:07 :P 00:59:07 how about I just stab my eyes out with a brick wall 00:59:08 lol 00:59:14 and then castrate myself by bashing my penis through my eye sockets repeatedly 00:59:18 lobotomising myself in the process 00:59:25 that would be significantly less painful 00:59:30 and way more enjoyable 00:59:36 i mean, I think 00:59:40 it could be just the same 00:59:43 go ahead. At least I wouldn't have to listen to you complain about non-Haskell languages 00:59:58 yes, because the only language I like is haskell 01:00:08 He admits it! 01:00:08 anyway you don't even get to say anything. you *like* c++ 01:00:19 you're basically like a jew 01:00:21 or a black person 01:00:22 where did I say I like C++ 01:00:27 insignificant and never has any useful opinions! 01:00:29 coppro: in here 01:00:36 you misread me 01:01:06 I said I program C++ by choice, I did not say I like the language 01:01:29 okay then, you're into masochism 01:02:40 * coppro should do some homework 01:03:28 -!- ais523 has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 01:04:33 another C peeve: 01:04:40 why is main() of type int, dammit 01:04:45 it makes people use return in one function 01:04:48 and exit() in another 01:05:08 it should be void and the caller of main() should have exit(0) afterwards. gr. 01:18:09 Because C is a ridiculously inconsistent language. 01:19:06 Also, C++ headers are genuinely *awful*. 01:19:20 Especially for the standard template library. 01:19:22 *shudder* 01:21:22 Keep in mind that usu _start just calls exit with the return from main :P 01:27:21 GregorR: I KNOW IT'S SO STUPID 01:27:30 they have to have been purposefully dense to do it this way. 01:31:06 KEN THOMPSON 01:31:08 DENNIS RITCHIE 01:31:10 BRIAN KERNIGHAN 01:31:12 AND OTHER PEOPLE 01:31:15 I AM GOING TO MURDER YOU 01:31:17 that is all 01:32:59 http://downloadmoreram.com/ 01:42:28 C needs things like != x → x = !x 01:44:54 C needs many things. 01:45:00 yes, but 01:45:00 None of which are in C++. 01:45:06 grid[x][y] = !grid[x][y] 01:45:10 "hurr I suck cocks" 01:45:13 "hurr I make you repeat" 01:45:16 why not 01:45:19 != grid[x][y] 01:45:22 "hurr because i suck cocks" 01:45:25 "i am C" 01:45:27 "hello" 01:56:58 http://sites.google.com/site/ryanbroomfield/xkcd-sans-women 01:58:37 -!- coppro has quit (Remote closed the connection). 02:09:05 -!- coppro has joined. 02:34:13 -!- Sgeo has joined. 02:34:41 What's "Sgeo-cybernetics"? 02:35:18 How the flying fuck are we meant to know?!?!?!! 02:35:27 http://ccbb.biosci.utexas.edu/seminars.html 02:35:38 * Sgeo just thinks it's humerous 02:36:00 15:01:35 http://ccbb.biosci.utexas.edu/seminars.html 02:36:00 15:01:47 "The term "Sgeo-cybernetics" was first proposed in 2005 by Reyes et.al." 02:36:00 2008-06-24 02:36:29 * Sgeo googled for Sgeo-cybernetics, but found no further information 02:36:43 ↑ 02:36:48 your memory is short 02:37:13 "The term "Sgeo-cybernetics" was first proposed in 2005 by Reyes et.al." . I meant further than that 02:37:41 "2008-06-24" 02:37:48 you mentioned this more than a year ago 02:37:57 Oh 02:57:35 -!- oerjan has joined. 03:07:49 -!- Pthing has joined. 03:22:55 -!- Asztal has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 03:29:04 * Fri Aug 07 2009 Kristian Høgsberg - 2.8.0-4 03:29:04 - Add dri2-page-flip.patch to enable full screen pageflipping. 03:29:04 Fixes XKCD #619. 03:29:06 http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=126369 03:31:10 http://www.explosm.net/comics/1785/ Everyone must watch this. Everyeone. 03:31:13 *Everyone 03:32:04 cyanide and happiness eh 03:32:07 i have a guess GregorR 03:32:13 does it involve sex or murder 03:32:20 or insults 03:32:27 it's a stretch i know 03:32:32 To the first two: Only extremely proximally. To the latter: No. 03:32:42 It's an animation. And it's unbelievable. It's ... omg just watch it. 03:32:45 are you sure this is a cyanide and happiness production 03:32:49 also does it requirea udio. 03:32:53 Yes 03:32:59 meh 03:33:00 * Sgeo will, once Code::Blocks is installed, write his own linked list implementation, to see if he can 03:33:12 Wow Sgeo, you can write your own linked list implementation using an IDE 03:33:15 Master programmer. 03:33:19 You must be so proud of yourself. 03:33:24 Yeah, because linked lists are a wildly difficult beast :P 03:33:34 Totally. You need a whole installed IDE to tackle them. 03:33:47 ehird: It's the debugging. 03:33:52 I'm too lazy to figure out gcc or g++ or whatever >.> 03:33:54 ehird: Inevitably you'll have segfaults up the wazoo 03:34:12 Sgeo: stab. 03:34:20 please kill yourself :| 03:34:36 Oh, hahahah 03:34:45 I didn't read the name, I thought that was ehird making fun of Sgeo. 03:34:50 Because it's too stupid of a statement otherwise. 03:34:55 :D 03:37:34 GregorR: o_O 03:37:49 oerjan: Watchin' the awesomeness? 8-D 03:37:57 finished 03:38:09 IS IT NOT AWESOME?! 03:38:57 it's weird 03:39:57 Hahahaha 03:40:12 It's so wonderfully dramatic! 04:06:11 http://codepad.org/XZMPOHm8 04:13:05 -!- sebbu has joined. 04:14:08 Sgeo: you're so special. 04:14:19 bool result = true; 04:14:20 result *= !(this->next()) || (this->next()->prev() == this); 04:14:20 result *= !(this->prev()) || (this->prev()->next() == this); 04:14:20 return result; 04:14:25 ladies and gentlemen 04:14:32 Sgeo is retarded at boolean logic 04:14:52 After I posted it, I realized that I should have replaced the || with && and gotten rid of the ! 04:15:00 i like how yours isn't even a linked list, just a node 04:15:07 the user has to handle pushing himself. 04:15:14 *themself 04:22:25 -!- Tenacity has joined. 04:22:48 Tenacity. 04:22:53 how...tenacious? 04:22:54 No way of changing the prev_item slot. 04:22:56 ti 04:23:02 who you be. 04:23:03 VERY tenacious 04:23:07 quite so 04:23:11 you are tenacity incarnate 04:23:18 Indeed I am 04:23:28 now who are you, scoundrel. 04:23:38 Scoundrel?! 04:23:45 yes. 04:24:05 I've hardly had a chance to earn that title 04:24:23 okay, let's ask a more direct question 04:24:28 where did you come from 04:24:30 ...scoundrel 04:25:37 It was just meant to be me practicing making a class in C++, nothing major 04:25:37 I come from the internet 04:26:02 Sgeo: anybody who can't write a good linked list implementation in 5 minutes is a bad programmer, simple as 04:26:10 Tenacity: we stab tricksy people, btw. 04:26:14 or at least I do. 04:26:39 also this channel is about programming languages. 04:26:43 Oh, i shall don my stab proof armour, over my flame retardant armour 04:26:43 just making sure. 04:26:51 flame ... retard 04:26:53 more like. 04:26:56 am i right. 04:27:17 :-/ 04:27:18 am i right Tenacity. 04:27:42 right about what? being a bad programmer? 04:27:52 i have no idea. 04:28:00 exactly. 04:28:05 anyway you'd better not be here for the esoterick magick. that only goes on in the backroom. 04:28:16 stringent initiation procedures and all. 04:28:41 oic. Well I shall keep my intentions well hidden until then 04:28:43 lol 04:28:54 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 04:31:54 so no summoning in this channel? 04:33:51 absolutely, cough, not. 04:52:35 wow... 04:52:43 * coppro just read that RollerCoaster Tycoon was entirely assembly 04:52:53 yes 04:53:06 that game is awesome 04:55:32 now who are you, scoundrel. <-- i'm going to assume you secretly know Tenacity from before, as otherwise i think this channel is _really_ going downhill 04:55:39 i don't :P 04:56:06 ah, you just think it is getting too crowded in here? 04:56:20 i wasn't actually, you know, being serious 04:59:16 well i am of the persuation that one should actually know people a bit before teasing them with insults. you may have heard of this concept called "misunderstandings". 05:03:14 oerjan: when you consider the general rowdy atmosphere of this place I think anyone who gets offended enough to leave by the amusingly archaic insult "scoundrel" has no chance... 05:03:27 in fact i'd say that prolly applies to the internet in general. 05:03:54 oh it's archaic? i may have missed some nuance here... 05:04:20 "scoundrel" evokes images of top hats and curled moustaches. 05:05:03 * oerjan beats ehird severely with his cane O========O 05:05:19 cane or double-ended penis 05:05:22 you decide. 05:05:33 i _knew_ i shouldn't have tried to draw that. 05:07:19 ^ul (Rare on topic message for newcomers)!((0)(1)):^!S(~:^:S*a~^~*a*~:^):^ 05:07:20 011010011001011010010110011010011001011001101001011010011001011010010110011010010110100110010110011010011001011010010110011010011001011001101001011010011001011001101001100101101001011001101001011010011001011010010110011010011001011001101001011010011001011010010110011010010110100110010110011010011001011010010110011010010110 ...too much output! 05:08:03 * oerjan wonders when the last one was, but is too lazy to find out 05:08:09 *dons his scoundrel hat and 'stache* 05:08:40 Tenacity: yeah, dickwad. 05:08:47 see that humour i did there 05:08:53 i defended my jokingly archaic insult 05:09:04 and followed up a mention of it with a decidedly non-archaic insult! 05:09:08 just call me mr humour. 05:09:36 it's just i have this vague recall of #esoteric being an unusually friendly place, once upon a time. 05:10:07 i'm friendly! as long as you always agree with me. 05:10:20 oerjan: also, blame AnMaster. :P 05:10:34 i blame the Malicious Duo 05:11:35 but then i also have this vague recall of it often being on topic, but that may be just confirmation bias. 05:11:57 oerjan: i read logs from 2002. 05:12:08 esolangs were a rare topic 05:12:34 bias it is, then. 05:12:50 it was mostly life-related chat tbh. also i remember skimming through logs and seeing lament make a sarcastic comment about it being a channel about manga and lack of a social life, not esolangs. 05:13:10 now manga we haven't had for a while i think 05:13:13 though 2005-2007 was quite an esolangy era in my estimation 05:13:27 The Golden Age 05:13:32 i'm totally the channel's official archivist. 05:13:42 good 05:14:01 huh 05:14:02 http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/04.01.01 05:14:03 woggle 05:15:44 oerjan: to reminisce of more esotericy times, try http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/06.10.05 05:15:50 it is worryingly long and esoteric 05:16:23 esoteric? 05:16:27 that sounds vaguely ontopic! 05:16:31 lynch him 05:16:40 but that's my point! 05:16:47 it truly was a dark era. 05:17:04 anyway we've gotten steadily more active over the years, never dropping more than slightly 05:17:15 so i suppose from a pure activity point of view this is the best! 05:18:55 * oerjan hits back before he gets nostalgia overload 05:19:06 you can die of that. 05:19:36 yes. i used to do that back in the day. *AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA* 05:32:43 -!- oerjan has quit ("leaving"). 05:53:55 -!- MizardX has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 05:54:00 -!- MizardX has joined. 06:10:32 Tenacity, new here? 06:12:26 -!- Warrigal has quit (Remote closed the connection). 06:12:33 -!- Warrigal has joined. 06:17:53 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 06:21:53 bbl 06:22:09 -!- Tenacity has left (?). 06:26:45 -!- ehird has quit. 07:17:17 With JSON, you can make the commas and colons optional to save some space. {"foo"1"bar"[1,2nulltrue3]} 07:19:38 They are only needed to separate one number from another. 07:22:08 -!- kar8nga has joined. 07:26:26 -!- FireFly has joined. 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:02:48 -!- FireFly has quit ("Later"). 08:18:09 isn't foo: shorter than "foo"? 08:21:54 But then more commas are required, too be able to discern between '"foo1"' and '"foo", 1'. 'null', 'true' and 'false' would also need to be surrounded by separators. 08:22:46 if 'null', 'true' and 'false' are the only word-like values, they do not need to be surrounded by separators. 08:23:05 -!- kar8nga has quit (Remote closed the connection). 08:25:52 Is this "you could make", or actually "you are right now allowed to make"? I mean, at least the RFC4627 defining the application/json MIME type has a BNF that explicitly requires value-separators (commas) and name-separators (colons). 08:32:48 Well, I guess you're allowed to make whatever you want; it's just that it sounded like "you can just do this and it'll work with existing JSON parsers and everything". 08:35:43 I love it when two different course-info-reporting systems are in conflict with each other; one says there's a lecture right now and the other says there isn't. Of course I only noticed the former and now I'm at school with nothing to do 08:40:48 fizzie: "you could make"... but then it wouldn't be JSON. 08:50:57 Deewiant: Oodi and Noppa, or something else? 08:51:06 Yep, those to 08:51:08 Two* 08:51:18 With Oodi being the incorrect one this time 08:51:41 The latter should get lecture information from the former, though. Except that I guess people only list exceptions in Noppa newsposts and so on. 08:52:32 Or maybe the data transfer from one to another was more of a theoretical thing, actually; I think I remember manually adding lectures to Noppa. 08:54:31 There was a separate news item in Noppa saying that lectures start on tuesday 08:54:47 The actual lecture time data probably states monday in both places. 08:56:48 Right, well, given that Oodi is this mysterious hulking beast, I'm not surprised they don't list "hey, let's skip the technically first lecture and start on Tuesday" decisions there. 08:58:22 For the AI course, it was reasonably simple to get the per-course "admin" bit set for my Noppa account, but we didn't even try to get me officially registered as the course-responsible-person-guy in Oodi, it seemed far too difficult. 08:58:38 heh, great 08:59:14 I wonder what's going to happen to the AI course now that the professor who used to be lecturing it has left. 13:00:58 -!- CESSMASTER has quit (kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 13:00:58 -!- lifthrasiir has quit (kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 13:00:58 -!- cmeme has quit (kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 13:00:59 -!- zbrown has quit (kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 13:00:59 -!- comex_ has quit (kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 13:00:59 -!- EgoBot has quit (kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 13:04:15 -!- CESSMASTER has joined. 13:04:15 -!- lifthrasiir has joined. 13:04:15 -!- cmeme has joined. 13:04:15 -!- comex_ has joined. 13:04:15 -!- zbrown has joined. 13:04:15 -!- EgoBot has joined. 13:11:07 -!- FireFly has joined. 13:48:20 -!- oerjan has joined. 13:53:52 -!- BeholdMyGlory has joined. 14:00:37 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 14:12:14 -!- kar8nga has joined. 14:57:47 -!- MigoMipo has quit ("QuitIRCServerException: MigoMipo disconnected from IRC Server"). 16:03:50 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 16:26:07 -!- ehird has joined. 16:33:55 -!- kar8nga has quit (Remote closed the connection). 16:54:19 [[Hard to keep a project under wraps and get an audience at the same 16:54:19 time, it is. I do realise it was inevitable LKML would invade my 16:54:19 personal space no matter how much I didn't want it to, but it would be 16:54:19 rude of me to not respond.]] 16:54:20 — Con Kolivas, on the audacity of *someone on LKML benchmarking his scheduler!!!!!* 17:07:28 -!- Asztal has joined. 17:10:55 -!- jix has joined. 17:40:19 -!- kar8nga has joined. 17:41:31 -!- Pthing has quit (Remote closed the connection). 17:44:22 ehird, XD 17:45:00 Guess he should administrate some of that anaesthetic to himself huh? Oh I'm so witty. 17:50:00 -!- ehird has quit. 19:01:29 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has joined. 19:19:31 -!- coppro has quit (Remote closed the connection). 19:20:32 -!- coppro has joined. 19:21:19 -!- oerjan has quit ("Good night"). 19:50:53 ntp is good: 19:50:55 7 Sep 20:50:35 ntpdate[9865]: adjust time server 192.36.143.153 offset 0.000063 sec 19:51:07 that's quite accurate it managed to keep my clock 19:52:50 that's on my desktop though, it seems less able to sync on my laptop 20:27:21 0.042874s here. Last sync was who knows how many days ago. 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I definitely want to keep everything listening to the net at minimum. 21:11:23 Not that I wouldn't have a firewall, but still. 21:11:23 Ilari, you can set it to not provide a server 21:11:23 but just be a client 21:11:23 Probably. But clock on this computer isn't that important. 21:11:25 -!- mtve has quit (kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 21:11:25 This desktop of mine has recently (er, well, "not always"; it has been quite a while) somehow caught the habit of having a horrible clock drift; something like 2 milliseconds per second. 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21:30:38 Spammers usually aren't very careful in restricting spam distribution... 21:53:12 Heh, should've quit while I was ahead; there was a "current_clocksource" file in sysfs, and since available_clocksources listed many (hpet, acpi_pm, jiffies, tsc) decided to echo those one by one into current_clocksource to see if the drift keeps happening for all. Current was hpet, acpi_pm didn't really cause any effects, but when I put "jiffies" in there, everything hung up "needs-sysrq"-badly. 21:56:12 Yeah, system clock freezing probably does not do good to system function. 21:59:44 Quite odd that TSC (processor time stamp counter) would become unstable. 21:59:58 I get that here, due to cpu frequency changes 22:00:11 so my system use HPET 22:01:27 fizzie, I would recommend using not changing that except at boot 22:01:36 with the clocksource parameter 22:01:44 at least I had crashes when changing on the fly 22:02:50 night 22:03:53 -!- MizardX has quit (hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 22:03:54 -!- SimonRC has quit (hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 22:03:54 -!- kar8nga has quit (hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 22:03:54 -!- Warrigal has quit (hubbard.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 22:04:37 -!- kar8nga has joined. 22:05:25 -!- MizardX- has joined. 22:05:25 -!- MizardX- has changed nick to MizardX. 22:05:28 Yes, it seemed like a bad idea. 22:05:52 Anyway, I don't do cpufreq on the desktop (because it's unable to), so I'm still blaming one of those modules. 22:06:27 -!- Warrigal has joined. 22:06:48 :( lack of shockwave player on linux (closely related to ":( who the fuck uses shockwave") 22:08:04 I had a five minutes of incomprehension on "what, Ubuntu doesn't have the Flash player suitably packaged?", before realizing that not supporting Linux/PPC isn't really their fault. 22:11:35 Flash and Shockwave are different 22:11:39 and Shockwave has a Mac version 22:11:52 and Ubuntu does have a Flash installer package that works fine 22:12:56 It doesn't have a PowerPC Flash installer package, because the only PowerPC-supporting Flash player is for OS X. 22:13:47 And I know they are different. I don't think I knew about Shockwave's Mac version, though; but really, why would someone use shockwave nowadays? 22:14:32 lego site does :( 22:14:40 The only Shockwave app I can think of offhand is that Habbo Hotel chat-place. 22:26:30 coppro: oh, for a moment I thought you meant there was some Flash app that installed Ubuntu 22:26:41 lol 22:33:48 -!- kar8nga has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 22:42:14 * coppro wants a good flash game that makes him think, but not too hard 22:43:49 any suggestions? 23:05:29 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Remote closed the connection). 23:17:04 -!- FireFly has quit ("Later"). 23:18:12 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has quit (Remote closed the connection). 23:23:40 -!- MizardX- has joined. 23:23:46 -!- MizardX has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 23:24:11 -!- MizardX- has changed nick to MizardX. 23:39:04 -!- Sgeo has joined. 23:48:24 can mes hab ball 4 slide pweaze yuhs neber gabezz it tew mes thankiez yuhz 23:48:41 * Sgeo suddenly realizes what that's intended to say 23:59:53 ...