< 1254269214 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1254269978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1254270253 0 :coppro!n=chatzill@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1254270878 0 :augur!n=augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr2.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1254270925 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1254271386 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1254271701 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1254271701 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1254271714 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.67.185 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254271932 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/172774/dell_adds_wireless_battery_charging_to_new_laptop.html < 1254272476 0 :Rugxulo!n=user@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1254272496 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is brewing up his second ETA program (long), still only does simple text output, heh (trying to be poetic)
< 1254272524 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :popt < 1254272538 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1254272542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite < 1254272569 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupid Sgeo project of the day: Translate the Haskell Prelude into Python < 1254272591 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: impossible. < 1254272595 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only via greenspunning. < 1254272599 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, as much as possible < 1254272606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean the useless, trivial functions? < 1254272611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the ones Python already has? < 1254272619 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python has foldr? < 1254272627 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1254272629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's called reduce. < 1254272646 0 :augur!n=augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr2.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1254272653 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm not sure whether it's foldl/foldr but outside of Haskell that rarely matters.) < 1254272695 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, I don't see how useless/useful matters. I'm not trying to make anything useful. < 1254272699 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just bored < 1254272750 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By useless, I mean things as pointless as (what will turn into) succ x = x+1. < 1254272763 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, if you're bored, take a look at ETA < 1254272769 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rest is either impossible without basically implementing Haskell in Python, or is already in Python. < 1254272780 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doing such a pointless thing can't possibly relieve any boredom... < 1254272782 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.miketaylor.org.uk/tech/eta/doc/index.html < 1254272786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: have you played with bf joust? < 1254272794 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1254272801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might like it < 1254272812 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION still wants to finish his ETA proggie ...
< 1254272828 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too many N's :-P < 1254272841 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo, ETA? < 1254272844 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(http://esolangs.org/wiki/BF_Joust; we use egojoust) < 1254272863 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya, ETA < 1254272865 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I came up with the two modifications to ais523's rules to make it fairer, nyah :P < 1254272870 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo, linky? < 1254272918 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see above < 1254272918 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he linked. < 1254272942 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.miketaylor.org.uk/tech/eta/doc/index.html < 1254272973 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically it's eight instructions, also doubling as numbers, and it's not a Brainf*** clone < 1254272981 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ETAOINSH" < 1254272988 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite goofy ;-) < 1254273244 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I download XEmacs or GNU Emacs? < 1254273248 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU < 1254273252 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither. < 1254273267 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of updates lately, 23.1 was just released like two months ago, internal Unicode now < 1254273272 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1254273275 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But XEmacs; both because of jwz and since it sucks more, you'll be less likely to bug us about using it since you'll give up. < 1254273299 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jwz? < 1254273305 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jamie Zawinski < 1254273305 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1254273314 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, last I recall it *doesn't* include the GNU Manifesto, which is a huge plus. < 1254273359 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird's just convinced me to go with GNU < 1254273372 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless "it sucks more" was sarcastic? < 1254273377 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, updates++ < 1254273383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Congratulations, you get to use the editor equivalent of something that sucks. < 1254273393 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there significant keybinding differences? < 1254273396 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will not supply the mandatory rusty fork for your eyeballs. < 1254273396 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just try it and see < 1254273407 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't matter, you can rebind it ;-) < 1254273414 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo, too lazy < 1254273428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Personally I think the best Emacs variant is vim, since you're determined to learn one or the other through whatever deluded ideas from idiots with beards passed through your head. < 1254273438 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even different versions of GNU differ on a few keycodes < 1254273440 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shut up, I am *not* cynical and bitter. < 1254273460 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :viper ftw! ;-) < 1254273464 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does nano have SQL syntax hilighting? < 1254273469 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stop imagining me with wispy grey hair drinking wiskey and slamming keys into a Model M. I AM NOT THAT PERSON. < 1254273475 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea (but it does support hilighting now) < 1254273488 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gee, he goes straight from XEmacs to nano. A veritable bonanza of suck. < 1254273496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*whiskey, also. < 1254273504 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I'm currently using nano for school < 1254273508 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, Nano ain't exactly in the same league, unless you just want a very simple editor < 1254273521 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be all yay, minimalism but nano is kinda poor. < 1254273539 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, you on Linux i presume? < 1254273542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Man up and install GVim, it's more elegant and you get to have buttons to click if that's your thing. < 1254273544 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: Windows. < 1254273558 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I have to connect to the school's Linux computer through SSH < 1254273562 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because he has some sort of crack-esque addiction to games that don't run in a VM, and dual-booting takes like 5 years, from what I gather. < 1254273567 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Using an editor over ssh? < 1254273568 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Niice. < 1254273571 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The lag will be delicious. < 1254273575 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Emacs isn't an option. < 1254273575 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try TDE (DOS or Win32), it can be compiled for Linux too w/ Ncurses dev: < 1254273579 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Over SSH it's piss-poor. < 1254273581 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://adoxa.110mb.com < 1254273593 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it works quite well, when I was trying it < 1254273600 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It really doesn't. < 1254273656 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, what a tough choice. ehird, who I usually believe, or my own personal experience. < 1254273666 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mwahaha. < 1254273670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will toy with your pony mind. < 1254273672 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1254273673 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :puny. < 1254273676 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, also pony I guess. < 1254273689 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :www.texteditors.org (if you want options) < 1254273713 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just go ahead and spoil that every text editor sucks really, really badly. < 1254273720 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except perhaps acme. < 1254273726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which merely sucks. < 1254273734 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rabble rabble rabble. < 1254273771 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1254273772 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Ex-Chat" < 1254273784 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.67.185 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254273785 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is in GNU Emacs right now, BTW, using ERC
< 1254273809 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet I'm also using TDE (my typical favorite editor by habit) < 1254273890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, 80/2phi ~= 25, so 80x24 is quite close to an appealing size. < 1254273929 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yet that's what most people hate about Befunge93 < 1254273939 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it is sort of limiting. < 1254273939 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks VIC-20 programmers should feel at home, heh
< 1254273963 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no worse than no fork(), file I/O, random stack access, etc. :-) < 1254273967 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but simplicity is a virtue < 1254273980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes that GVim's toolbar is worse than useless.
< 1254273990 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's true, Emacs is probably too much of everything (same with Nethack), but hey, they're good enough < 1254274002 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gotta wonder why they bother. < 1254274039 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no worse than a toolbar in Emacs (heh) < 1254274046 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That one is also terrible. < 1254274052 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the Emacs menus are the real sin. < 1254274120 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION actually thought the whole "using a free software vi isn't a sin but merely a penance" was funny ;-)
< 1254274143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should just declare a hiatus from sanity and use some fucked-up crazy fun weird-ass editor like http://software.jessies.org/evergreen/ and just blind everyone with my superior unconventionality < 1254274165 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it does Haskell. < 1254274169 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VIM is good too, just there doesn't have to be only "one true editor (tm)" < 1254274230 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but seriously, try TDE, it's quite nice < 1254274238 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not overkill at all < 1254274244 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like it has ncurses menus. < 1254274251 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, ncurses-similar. < 1254274253 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sort of thing. < 1254274257 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses Ncurses only on Linux < 1254274268 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it has menus, right. < 1254274280 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, menus (which you don't have to use, has keyboard shortcuts too) < 1254274295 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but it means it'll be a typical DOS Borland-style program. :P < 1254274314 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say the closest Unix-based analog of that type of program is JED. < 1254274317 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really, it's better than typical Borland stuff < 1254274319 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.jedsoft.org/jed/ < 1254274322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Unix-originating that is) < 1254274325 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've tried JED, it's very good < 1254274327 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: I mean in UI design < 1254274349 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.jedsoft.org/images/jed1.png is just a funny image. < 1254274351 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :honestly, I could be wrong, don't know the history, but I *think* texteditors.org says TDE is a IBM E clone (or similar) < 1254274368 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have this graphical environment, not unbelievably awful, with a program that emulates an ancient CRT terminal from way back including control code.s < 1254274381 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*codes. < 1254274394 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a modern GUI-based program, showhorned to use these control codes to draw ugly, low-resolution widgets with terrible mouse support. < 1254274406 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And... people prefer this over using the damn upper GUI layer... why? < 1254274413 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ncurses is just so bizarre. < 1254274416 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GUI is teh overrated < 1254274425 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I'm saying, look at http://www.jedsoft.org/images/jed1.png < 1254274426 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a GUI < 1254274437 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care if it uses a |_ character instead of pushing pixels < 1254274438 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TUI < 1254274448 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a GUI on an antiquated display with terrible input mechanisms < 1254274469 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no difference in the actual UI at all from a GUI, and the actual program merely integrates with the environment worse, looks uglier, and has inferior mouse support < 1254274483 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JED has very good mouse support, better than most < 1254274496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My other points stand. < 1254274498 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't think looks matter much (at least, not to me) < 1254274506 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as it works, good! < 1254274543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but the point is that it has no ADVANTAGES, only a crazy insanity of layers upon 70s-originating layers emulating the present, and that is simply bizarre. < 1254274576 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so everything should be X-only? (I hope not!) < 1254274656 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Justify that. Justify how a JED-style GUI (don't say it's not a GUI, those are graphical widgets it's drawing, onto a low-resolution, low-colour display built entirely out of an emulation of 70s constructs) is any better than an X GUI. Why are these layers better? What do we gain over not requiring X, other than satisfying people who prefer the crazy 70s-based crippled ncurses graphical layer over the 80s-based at-least-slightly-modern X11? < 1254274661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't. < 1254274691 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not requiring X means you don't need X installed, don't need a suitable graphics driver, etc. < 1254274702 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you running X at the moment? < 1254274711 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, Windows ;-) < 1254274766 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like 90% of linux desktops run X, and the rest are crazy irrational oboes^Whobos. < 1254274769 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a framebuffer you can run X for chrissakes < 1254274772 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not having X installed - uh < 1254274777 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need ncurses installed for ncurses programs < 1254274778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same damn thing < 1254274788 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not if you link statically ;-) < 1254274793 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two GUI layers, one crippled and based on ancient technology, one not the first and the latter has been patche dup < 1254274795 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*patched up < 1254274802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could include X with your program too, and it'd be just as stupid < 1254274813 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a lot bigger :-P < 1254274824 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah, like a whole 100 megs. < 1254274836 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a suitable graphics driver, as i said, anything that can run a framebuffer can run X, and anything that can't run a framebuffer is going to be quite painful < 1254274907 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1254274909 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's buy norway < 1254274973 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with bf joust warriors < 1254275000 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is still hacking away at the ETA program / prose
< 1254275208 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION probably went about this the wrong way
< 1254275223 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1254275786 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if anybody wants to even read this sucker when done :-/
< 1254275825 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not :P < 1254275888 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a pastebin I can post my WIP at? < 1254275895 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c'mon, humor me! ;-) < 1254275934 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, pastebin.ca or something < 1254275980 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, now here's the "backstory" so you understand it ;-)) < 1254275981 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.osnews.com/comments/22225 < 1254276024 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :de icaza is a wonderful name for someone to call a traitor < 1254276026 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so spanish piratey < 1254276080 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION starts Evergreen. OH GOD JAVA TEXT RENDERING MAKE IT STOP MAKE IT STOOOOOOOOOP
< 1254276088 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.ca/1585217 < 1254276096 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck fuck OW my EYES < 1254276104 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't even know how to pronounce it
< 1254276115 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always read either Ikaza or Izaka :-P < 1254276140 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, seriously? :-P < 1254276148 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously. < 1254276160 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is meant to be a valid ETA program, but all it really does it print a silly joke < 1254276176 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as you can tell, some words ain't fleshed out yet < 1254276189 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impressive < 1254276201 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really, but goofy? heck yes! :-D < 1254276384 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it basically prints this (hope this isn't considered flooding): < 1254276398 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :u no steal rms code < 1254276405 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :u share code else rms get mad < 1254276410 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :u no like rms angry < 1254276417 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rms now go eat fungal toe < 1254276450 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Im...pressive. < 1254276458 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't talk to me about silly jokes < 1254276460 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1254276482 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries using IcedTea (and thus GNU Classpath) instead of the java jvm for font rendering
< 1254276501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bonus: Appears to predate their awful subpixel crap < 1254276503 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bonus: Free < 1254276514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Downside: Still ugly < 1254276540 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, ?? < 1254276554 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :M I C < 1254276557 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :K E Y < 1254276563 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not going to finish < 1254276572 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's your point? < 1254276575 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION confused
< 1254276579 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird knows < 1254276580 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ignore Sgeo, he's on crack. < 1254276588 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: This is good life advice always.) < 1254276595 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or worse ... fungal toe! :-D < 1254276616 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait, wrong starting < 1254276618 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, http://trac2.assembla.com/psox/browser/trunk/impl/psox/db_utils.py < 1254276619 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ignore ehird, he's ehird. Also good life advice. < 1254276625 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo is like my sidekick that I just abuse and never helps me with anything and I just, like, solve the case and get all the chicks and then stomp on his head a bit for good measure and he keeps running around like a doofus < 1254276629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like that < 1254276636 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Oh burn. < 1254276639 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to go cut myself now. < 1254276747 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254276768 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1254277949 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is still seeing the same Vista bugs, so it's (badly) ironic that 7 is coming out soon
< 1254278271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 148 (No route to host) < 1254278413 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is dumb, what is a NAT?
< 1254278464 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Network Address Translation < 1254278494 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Several computers behind one router. When a computer makes a request, it's sent using the router's IP. Thus, the individual computers don't have individual IP addresses < 1254278524 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The router routes the results of requests properly, but without forwarding, inbound requests make no sense, as there's no IP to request from < 1254278533 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if I say "your NAT murders OE", does it even almost make sense? < 1254278539 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's OE? < 1254278545 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Outlook Express :-) < 1254278545 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's a server, it makes sense < 1254278551 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably some protocol that doesn't work over a NAT. < 1254278561 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything should murder Outlook. < 1254278565 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is still working on the Fungal Toe ETA program
< 1254278575 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be the goal of everyone to murder Outlook and all software like it. < 1254278589 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Evolution considered Outlook-like? < 1254278607 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The property being compared is terriblocity. < 1254278639 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hides PSOX
< 1254279173 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1254279179 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254280249 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :updated but still not quite done < 1254280250 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.ca/1585289 < 1254280345 0 :immibis!n=IceChat7@125-236-142-247.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1254281107 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Download IceChat at www.icechat.net" < 1254281931 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm basically done < 1254281946 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could still be cleaned up a bit, made to look better, rhyme better, make more sense, etc. < 1254281956 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think it's more-or-less done :-) < 1254282000 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.ca/1585307 < 1254282037 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone please read it ;-) < 1254283353 0 :augur!n=augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr2.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1254284506 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :updated yet again < 1254284511 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be more readable (hopefully) < 1254284512 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.ca/1585356 < 1254284808 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :P.S. I guess I should license this under GPLv3, just to be extra hilarious ;-) < 1254285991 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :last one for the night < 1254285993 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.ca/1585395 < 1254285999 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye! ;-) < 1254286000 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1254286401 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1254286603 0 :lament!n=lament@S0106001b63f462cc.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1254291394 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-156-193-77.range86-156.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1254291476 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad lag spikes this week < 1254291617 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1254291623 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1254293944 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am now reminded of an awesome shirt I saw last weekend: "Reality is for people who can't handle √-1̅ < 1254293969 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, that combining overline fails < 1254294041 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1254294091 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1254294903 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1254297222 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@77-100-194-169.cable.ubr04.pres.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1254297599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1254297600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1254298349 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1254299037 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: stupid < 1254299592 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1254299690 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : joke on ai? <-- you need joke explanations now? sad, sad. < 1254300228 0 :Azstal!n=asztal@86.156.98.47 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254301260 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1254302453 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.129 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254303368 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1254303385 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.129 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254303478 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1254304728 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@p5B136532.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1254307723 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1254309231 0 :adam_d!n=Adam@cpc2-acto6-0-0-cust48.brnt.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1254310950 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1254313868 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1254317892 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1254317994 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1254320437 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1254320441 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1254320452 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1254321501 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1254323391 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1254324628 0 :MigoMipo!n=kvirc@84.217.6.192 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254326988 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.115.10 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254327118 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:43:09 Is Evolution considered Outlook-like? < 1254327118 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1254327124 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evolution is awful, awful, awful and should not be part of GNOME at all. < 1254327152 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :restarting xchat. < 1254327153 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1254327166 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.105.115.10 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254327173 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-gnome < 1254327992 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Evolution is awful, awful, awful < 1254328010 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does HackBot keep wandering off of FreeNOde... < 1254328055 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's called Freenode < 1254328067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually it's freenode, but it's definitely not FreeNode or FreeNOde. < 1254328482 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am evil!- and, I have prongs! < 1254328486 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1254328486 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: and you call yourself a frog, and ayla... i will not betray my friends! you are crono. why not? then you should leave quickly! < 1254328503 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: can that sword stop alone? < 1254328503 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it's a machine that looks like you! you shall find bekkler! executing program. please let me go... put me out?! hey! is that for us! the chef's in a snit, trying to get food to the front lines. heard a spell to energize the sword takes immense evil! indeed! this thing. what you have the masamune! < 1254328510 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not helpful, fungot < 1254328510 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: are you a man, if there weren't evil in this kingdom to you! < 1254328519 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what fungot < 1254328522 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1254328799 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" < 1254328826 0 :ehird_!n=ehird@91.104.224.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254328947 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION considers biting the bullet and putting all the shit in ~/.cabal
< 1254328949 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what have I become. < 1254328954 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a traitor to my own package manager. < 1254328989 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, hi there. You used windows 7 right? < 1254329003 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah < 1254329041 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to install windows 7 pro x64 (aquired through MSDNAA) in virtualbox but it always claim disk drivers are missing. Tried all the three IDE controller settings, SATA and both SCSI settings < 1254329044 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any idea what to do? < 1254329057 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows 7 pro doesn't exist. < 1254329063 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it actually < 1254329081 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, hm sec, laptop booting and I will give you the full product name in a minute or so < 1254329082 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, no idea; use something that isn't virtualbox < 1254329087 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: home premium? < 1254329090 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just home) < 1254329098 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh? < 1254329101 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1254329102 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just got home < 1254329106 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just Home (presumably Basic) < 1254329108 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1254329109 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1254329110 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in < 1254329112 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. < 1254329113 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :home from uni < 1254329115 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1254329119 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so laptop is turned off < 1254329120 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that home < 1254329144 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, right, resuming from suspend to disk < 1254329155 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolinux < 1254329235 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows 7 Professional (x64) RTM - DVD (English).iso < 1254329254 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, sure, a figment of MSDNAA's imagination I bet < 1254329280 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that's new. < 1254329285 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1254329285 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * Compare < 1254329285 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * Starter < 1254329285 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * Home Premium < 1254329285 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * Professional < 1254329286 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1254329288 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Home Premium / Pro / Ultimate are the three editions to the best of my knowledge < 1254329288 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * Ultimate" < 1254329302 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * Professional <-- indeed < 1254329302 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows 7 will be available in six different editions, but only Home Premium and Professional will be available for retail sale in most countries < 1254329303 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Starter. < 1254329319 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, the ultimate one wasn't available on MSDNAA < 1254329323 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Professional is universally better than Home Starter, so that's fine. < 1254329338 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No Subsystem for Unix-based Applications, though. Hah! < 1254329339 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no "Home Starter" < 1254329347 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Un...lucky you? < 1254329347 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm < 1254329348 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant Home Premium < 1254329352 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, well pro was the only one available in fact. There were like 15 entries in the menu for SQL server though < 1254329388 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, anyway RTM... that means release? or pre-release? < 1254329392 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, VirtualBox can't do Aero IIRC, or at least not very well, and e.g. Windows 7's taskbardockthingy is kinda crippled without it, so I'm not sure why you're bothering with VirtualBox. < 1254329396 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Release To Manufacturer. < 1254329398 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought windows 7 wasn't available yet < 1254329403 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1254329414 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they release it for MSDNAA earlier < 1254329421 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They release it to manufacturers earlier. < 1254329440 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone pirating it is using RTM, anyway. < 1254329446 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case... any idea about the driver issue? < 1254329460 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but you ignored the two lines in question. < 1254329466 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, um which ones? < 1254329474 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The two ones mentioning VirtualBox. < 1254329488 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : anyway, no idea; use something that isn't virtualbox < 1254329490 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one < 1254329491 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1254329494 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two. < 1254329496 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there is the areo one < 1254329507 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes; commonly refer to one and a one as two. < 1254329508 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, anyway what else than virtualbox is there? Xen? < 1254329512 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*we commonly < 1254329520 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Xen isn't actually a proper VM... < 1254329526 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1254329532 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qemu would be hellish slow < 1254329536 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VMWare? < 1254329566 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I'm not sure they have a trial as opposed to the useless VMWare Player thing. < 1254329567 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, vmware server 2 is a piece of crap. and for 1.x bitrot has ensured the kernel module no longer compiles against recent kernels < 1254329584 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a piece of crap but it might be a working piece of crap. Also, I'm referring to Workstation. < 1254329591 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is available for Linux. < 1254329604 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, would need to pirate it though. Which wasn't in my plans for today. < 1254329628 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then... just make a partition and install it to disk? < 1254329687 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... hm < 1254329721 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You *would* have to use IE for a few seconds, though. < 1254329731 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, I don't think shrinking an encrypted partition is easy at all < 1254329745 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does windows 7 boot from a usb harddrive? < 1254329746 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plug in a USB drive or something. < 1254329748 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Snap. < 1254329749 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. < 1254329755 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It won't be fast, though. < 1254329759 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then I just have to find one < 1254329809 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, windows 7 installer *also* refuses to say what exact piece of hardware is missing a driver < 1254329821 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1254329845 0 :coppro!n=chatzill@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1254329942 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird@ehird-desktop:~$ find /usr/bin/ -name \*enigma\* < 1254329944 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where did it go. < 1254329957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_, /usr/games < 1254329957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1254329963 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1254329966 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. < 1254329994 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh lol, I think it was starting enigma from ~/NIH/enigma/, presumably my previous cwd. < 1254330001 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never actually installed the package < 1254330011 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selecting previously deselected package enigma-svn. < 1254330011 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Reading database ... 15% < 1254330047 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~/NIH/ :D < 1254330052 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. :P < 1254330069 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.129 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254330078 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1254330085 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1254330089 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ehird < 1254330101 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, AFAICT standard data types such as ints and strings must a) exist, and b) use duck typing < 1254330109 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut] < 1254330111 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wut < 1254330117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you mean fedda < 1254330117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1254330117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Ex-Chat" < 1254330129 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.104.224.231 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254330133 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a great concept < 1254330142 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did I miss anything < 1254330144 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1254330158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Annoying GNOME inconsistency: you can't cancel a drag from the menus (adding a shortcut to the desktop or a panel) with ESC. You have to leave go and remove it manually. < 1254330186 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1254330200 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main issue is that the input program needs to be represented somehow < 1254330208 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it's opaque, all Feather programs will need to be quines < 1254330218 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a ridiculous restriction to put on such an unrestricted language < 1254330229 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, not true quines, but able to generate a copy of their own source on demand) < 1254330241 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be great, ais523 < 1254330243 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1254330246 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just add that as part of the language < 1254330254 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1254330256 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every object responds to "your source", so to speak < 1254330259 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that isn't the issue < 1254330261 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm found it maybe < 1254330265 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the issue is, what format do you get it in? < 1254330268 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :conclusion: strings exist < 1254330279 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm no < 1254330295 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ah < 1254330300 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1254330306 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :conclusion: you can interpret some things as srtings < 1254330307 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*strings < 1254330309 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strings are an illusion < 1254330310 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't imply any data types < 1254330312 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes < 1254330316 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise, even Forth has types < 1254330318 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is ridiculous < 1254330326 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, strings are something that the user's likely to want to define at some point < 1254330334 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and at that point, we want the program to also be that sort of string < 1254330344 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is what lead me to the conclusion that standard data types use duck typing < 1254330346 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, string theory is just mathematical masturbation < 1254330389 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how on earth do you do VI#89? < 1254330404 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1254330418 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've actually done that one < 1254330423 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which bit are you stuck on? the first bit? < 1254330432 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it involves strategically placed items to block the lasers < 1254330436 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get the spade, but then can't enter the path to V < 1254330439 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(downwards) < 1254330441 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the laser gets me < 1254330444 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that you start with a couple of extralives in your inventory < 1254330463 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trick's to block the laser with the spade (which is even harder then getting the spade in the first place) < 1254330476 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in such a way that you can get past the downwards laser too < 1254330485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting the spade is easy, just wait until the laser goes and then shoot downwards < 1254330497 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(before just now, when I figured that out, I was trying to hit the metal switch stones while the lasers were off - try THAT for impossible) < 1254330582 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it wouldn't help, I don't think < 1254330598 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr, pidgin is so crashy < 1254330601 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but empathy is moreso :( < 1254330711 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( linux sound < 1254330723 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about it < 1254330795 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sucks < 1254330803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what stack < 1254330807 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything < 1254330813 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean what stack are you using < 1254330822 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to find one that works < 1254330833 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pulseaudio in particular is rather bad right now < 1254330845 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your hardware sucks :P < 1254330847 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use ossv4 or something < 1254330864 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is there numpad support in enigma? < 1254330875 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: for what? movement? < 1254330881 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah < 1254330882 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, planned but not implemented < 1254330888 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, you misunderstand what I want < 1254330896 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just want a sound stack that makes all applications have sound < 1254330899 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should NOT be hard < 1254330905 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use ossv4 or something. < 1254330913 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and stop whining, if you buy unsupported hardware guess what, it doesn't work < 1254330938 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is linux; all hardware is unsupported < 1254330947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's not true, stop trolling < 1254330980 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: fine then. Tell me how to set this up < 1254330986 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1254331033 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? < 1254331042 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then, pay me and i will < 1254331078 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but uhh, sudo apt-get purge pulseaudio alsa-*; sudo apt-get autoremove --purge; find_and_install_ossv4_package < 1254331086 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just use pulseaudio + alsa and it works fine. < 1254331093 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, but pulse hates me < 1254331099 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it might be lagged; I can't tell < 1254331112 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just went through the options on the sound menu until I found one that worked < 1254331115 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, IIRC they all work < 1254331120 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALSA, OSS /and/ PulseAudio < 1254331124 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on this system, at least < 1254331130 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's because pulseaudio talks to alsa and oss is just alsa's oss wrapper. < 1254331134 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :done that; the hardware works fine, but not through pulse < 1254331142 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surprise! three things work if they're all the same < 1254331168 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: iwc :D < 1254331182 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you test ALSA? < 1254331210 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, mhm < 1254331217 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmgtfy.com < 1254331221 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: if they're all the same, why is there a choice? < 1254331228 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`google test ALSA < 1254331236 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: because pulseaudio is an additional layer over ALSA, and so can do more, < 1254331238 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... what have I messed up here? < 1254331242 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, HackEgo isn't here < 1254331243 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and because ALSA exposes its OSS interface as, you know, OSS < 1254331245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it shows up as... OSS. < 1254331249 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1254331263 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the OSS in question is v3, which sucks ass < 1254331268 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, "A required CD/DVD drive device driver is missing. If you have a floppy disk, CD, DVD or USB flash driver, please insert it now." <-- I get that in virtualbox, and I get it when trying to boot the actual computer with the cd too < 1254331273 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes that is *after* I select install < 1254331279 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :v4 apparently has sloppy code and could never get into the kernel, but apparently works excellently and with really tiny latency < 1254331286 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I think it is saying that there is no device driver for the CD *drive* < 1254331286 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, right? < 1254331296 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it let more than one application at once use sound? < 1254331297 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know < 1254331302 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: are you serious < 1254331303 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even OSS does that < 1254331310 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've gotta be trolling < 1254331318 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: not over here it doesn't! < 1254331329 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, any idea? < 1254331332 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop buying unsupported hardware. < 1254331335 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "don't know" < 1254331342 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah that was aimed at me ok < 1254331352 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just use not-virtualbox :P < 1254331368 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you're using the closed source virtualbox right < 1254331387 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes indeed. But the same message happened on the real hardware! < 1254331391 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very strange < 1254331408 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I can't get any ball to get onto the lines in VIII#43... < 1254331415 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: some applications can run concurrently. But others refuse to < 1254331420 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"I am leaving. You are about to explode." < 1254331437 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I can do 1 on that level, but nor more < 1254331447 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect there's a trick but don't know what it is < 1254331449 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*not more < 1254331457 0 :coppro!n=chatzill@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1254331466 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also all the disks are listed in the "browse for driver" in virtualbox (formatted the virtual c: drive from inside virtual win xp to check if it was that that was broken) < 1254331473 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm completely clueless < 1254331480 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't make a partition < 1254331483 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let it partition it itself < 1254331488 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, tried that first < 1254331504 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok, VIII#42 is just evil < 1254331520 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've done it in easy < 1254331527 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in hard, though, just wow < 1254331536 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :set your mouseforce up to 15 on negative-friction levels, by the way < 1254331537 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even on mouse speed 1... < 1254331540 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1254331541 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1254331554 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll need it to resist < 1254331684 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VIII#55 what < 1254331727 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, is there a button to update the scores instead ofj ustb eing auto? < 1254331729 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are lots of equally what levels < 1254331729 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*of just being < 1254331734 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, I don't think so < 1254331746 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :likewise, disincentives to upload scores too often < 1254331757 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it's illmind operating the score download server :) < 1254331785 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you kidding, that's like 1,000 numbers < 1254331794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he could never afford the bandwidth < 1254331926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mad Data, with the permission of Dongleware, has produced an official Freeware game with the name "Oxyd extra v2.0" (see external links below). < 1254331932 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder when we'll see that in Enigma :P < 1254332440 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1254332662 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reads someone on reddit call the > quoting syntax a "fancy hack" and using the literal character | instead, and when people point out that that breaks horribly on wrapping lines tells them to resize their browser to be huge
< 1254332664 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, the internet < 1254332807 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as good as aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa to cause line wrapping < 1254332840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen a site emulating table width="100%" with a long sentence coloured as the background congratulating you for finding the secret. < 1254332855 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"FINO works by withholding all scheduled tasks permanently. No matter how many tasks are scheduled at any time, no task ever actually takes place. This makes FINO extremely simple to implement" --Wikipedia < 1254332888 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Additionally < 1254332891 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int32 is_computer_on(void) < 1254332892 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Returns 1 if the computer is on. If the computer isn't on, the value returned by this function is undefined. < 1254332892 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :double is_computer_on_fire(void) < 1254332892 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Returns the temperature of the motherboard if the computer is currently on fire. If the computer isn't on fire, the function returns some other value. < 1254332894 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--BeOS < 1254333312 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "FINO works by withholding all scheduled tasks permanently. No matter how many tasks are scheduled at any time, no task ever actually takes place. This makes FINO extremely simple to implement" --Wikipedia <-- a joke? On wikipedia? < 1254333324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *did* omit the ending of that last sentence... < 1254333341 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namely: < 1254333353 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :", but useless in practice." < 1254333438 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and those "is_computer_on" and "is_computer_on_fire" are really in BeOS? ^_Å < 1254333440 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^_^* < 1254333488 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1254333498 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, in some class. < 1254333561 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone just asked me what chatroom I was in < 1254333564 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I pointed to the logs of this place < 1254333570 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear. < 1254333580 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what the effect will be < 1254333591 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the firewall on the desktops here blocks port 6667 outbound, so likely nothing we'll notice < 1254333616 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as in, beyond the barrier of beingbotheredness compared to the typical difficulty) < 1254333622 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MSNAA provides MS-DOS too it seems < 1254333623 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1254333628 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's unlikely that anyone who calls it a chatroom will be able to access IRC. < 1254333628 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two versions: < 1254333643 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6.0 and 6.22 < 1254333645 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: do you pretty much have free range over MSNAA or something? < 1254333650 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :write a script to download all of it < 1254333676 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you can only install any once and have to install them while you are still studying. Oh and I don't have enough disk space < 1254333680 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for all < 1254333685 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you mean MSDNAA? < 1254333692 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, eh yeah < 1254333708 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in theory I can access it here, but I've never tried < 1254333714 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can only install them once? < 1254333714 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a crock of shit < 1254333716 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, most of what they do isn't compatible with Linux < 1254333716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooray for piracy < 1254333731 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway here is the list: < 1254333747 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.ca/1586321 < 1254333752 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copied from "view source" < 1254333767 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however a bit strange because office isn't supposed to be part of this < 1254333778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how shocking, everything but the OSs are worthless. < 1254333780 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, that isn't actually office < 1254333796 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are various office addons it seems < 1254333807 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what about: Windows Services for UNIX 3.0 < 1254333816 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1254333821 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interix sucks, probably < 1254333845 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well first I want to get that win7 pro rtm to actually install < 1254333853 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it doesn't even on actual hardware... < 1254333880 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, visual studio isn't that useless. I mean, SQL server is way more useless < 1254333913 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, fair enough < 1254333923 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the OSs, visual studio and maybe Interix < 1254333930 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :visual studio is allegedly quite good for development in Microsoft languages < 1254333933 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how fast are the downloads? < 1254333934 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I've hardly used it < 1254334051 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, maxed out connection at home (820 KB/s or so), widly varying at uni (everything from 200 bytes/s to 1.5 MB/s) < 1254334098 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :820 KiB maxes out that university connection? < 1254334102 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-156-98-47.range86-156.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1254334104 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, read again < 1254334107 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*at home* < 1254334109 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1254334113 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupid brain. < 1254334122 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and 1.5 MB/s doesn't nearly max out uni connection at all < 1254334126 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though that is wlan < 1254334139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The uni will be able to get at least 12.5MiB/s. < 1254334142 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I was even within view of base station < 1254334172 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, a bit less, I managed 8 mbps off peek hours over the wlan < 1254334180 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nowhere near that at peak hours < 1254334181 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh, mbps = megabits. < 1254334194 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that's ~1MiB/s. < 1254334195 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, correct. And it is 11g < 1254334203 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, err, no < 1254334204 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a bit less, it's about 10x less. < 1254334206 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant MBps < 1254334207 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not mbps < 1254334224 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that is MiB in your notation even < 1254334242 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That isn't what you said (and that's megabytes, i.e. decimal, i.e. 7.62MiB anyway). < 1254334246 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not my notation; the standard notation. < 1254334263 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I refuse to use MiB when I mean base 1024 < 1254334266 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :b is a bit, B is a byte, SI prefixes (except possibly for kiB or KiB) followed by i = binary. < 1254334267 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just have to live with it < 1254334279 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and as I said the b was a typo < 1254334290 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to that it should have been millibyte per second < 1254334292 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least you could be consistent while being contrarian. < 1254334296 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it was small m < 1254334320 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I see you never heard of typos < 1254334351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You seem awfully selective about your standards; POSIX is mandatory and unit standards are ignorable. Are we going to start seeing selective application of POSIX selections, or is it atomic at the standard level? Fun and arbitrariness. < 1254334367 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, btw windows xp pro 64-bit installs just fine so it isn't a 64-bit issue in general it seems < 1254334403 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, EFI is a standard too. And you can't argue that is good < 1254334448 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but there is an alternative to EFI; BIOS. < 1254334456 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, openfirmware < 1254334469 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with EFI? < 1254334480 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just curious, not claiming it's necessarily good < 1254334483 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I could just start talking in Lojban and that'd be perfectly valid too. But when we're talking in English, using differing units just to spite the other party is hostile and makes you a jerk. < 1254334495 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "what if we used a full OS... to boot the OS?" < 1254334501 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1254334506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"with drivers and command shells and a kernel and applications!!! YAAAAY" < 1254334546 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1254334550 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the arguments in favour of it I've seen is that BIOS isn't designed for anything but keyboards, screens, floppy drives, parallel ports, and serial ports < 1254334566 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very true. On the other hand, EFI is shit. < 1254334588 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, there is a good alternative though: open firmware < 1254334600 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you actually used OpenFirmware? < 1254334609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the forth is fun but configuring it is a huge bitch < 1254334615 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not easy to diagnose problems < 1254334621 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fun, but not practical < 1254334686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr, keyserver.ubuntu.com is slow enough that gpg times out < 1254334832 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, it finally worked. < 1254334834 0 :impomatic!n=John@nat65.mia.three.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1254335097 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :First few seconds impressions of Chromium on Linux: It still draws its own window border. Ow, my eyes. Hey, it looks like they fixed the font rendering... but... it looks kinda different to normal. What why are they drawing their own scrollbars WHAT IS THE POINT OF THAT < 1254335118 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Microsoft Healthcare Framework SDK < 1254335119 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1254335140 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft healthcare? Sounds like a superb idea! < 1254335146 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: what do you think of Chrome Frame < 1254335148 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : have you actually used OpenFirmware? <-- yes I have. On a PPC mac < 1254335150 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1254335157 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course you don't use it a lot normally there < 1254335159 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It's a cute hack. < 1254335166 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes, well, it Just Works there. < 1254335180 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even EFI is great if it's working. < 1254335219 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More impressions: The Greyscale theme hurts my eyes less than that awful blue. Hey, can I get rid of that home button? Yes. Yes I can. < 1254335236 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Use system title bar and borders" Yay. < 1254335249 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that just makes it look like Opera with its custom tab bar, really. :P < 1254335273 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can make it use the GTK theme's colours and icons. That would be nice, but it makes the background of the tab bar be dark brown... < 1254335275 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, screenshot of the custom title bar and such. And screenshot of it now < 1254335287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean, screenshot of it now? < 1254335288 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, strange theme there :P < 1254335297 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well, when it " Oh, that just makes it look like Opera with its custom tab bar, really. :P" < 1254335321 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's just the window border followed by the custom widgets on a tab bar that make me think of Opera, really. < 1254335323 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, and a black background. < 1254335352 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, system colours + drawing its own title bar will probably work best; the brown tab bar looks fine if it's blended in with the window title like on Windows. < 1254335361 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I haven't used opera for years. When I think of opera I still see the version after they made it freeware < 1254335382 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cafesurvey.com/static/images/browsers/opera10_linux.png < 1254335385 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note the tab bar. < 1254335392 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1254335400 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not the current tab bar < 1254335401 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly enough < 1254335404 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. < 1254335404 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1254335406 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's close enough. < 1254335413 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the colours there doesn't really fit < 1254335420 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*don't < 1254335421 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plural. < 1254335429 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the text hinting in Chromium has some real fuckedupness going on. < 1254335442 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Finalising installation" "Saving settings". ETA: 8 minutes < 1254335442 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1254335444 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Letters are detaching from their pals to high-five their unsavory neighbours. < 1254335450 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is win xp pro x64) < 1254335454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the ETA for the total installation < 1254335526 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes, but it has already been "saving settings" for over 4 minutes < 1254335535 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still is < 1254335562 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably frozen. < 1254335572 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really, harddrive working a lot < 1254335577 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it does count down < 1254335581 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just saving settings all the time < 1254335586 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 minutes now < 1254335589 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and saving settings < 1254335604 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 minutes and saving settings < 1254335616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, Chromium? Chromium? Why are you drawing our own form widgets. I guess that explains the scrollbar. Stop that. < 1254335628 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*your own form < 1254335665 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should try the 32-bit win 7 pro... it might work better. Maybe < 1254335681 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least based on googling on the issue I hit < 1254335686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Probably the best idea; there aren't such a wide variety of 64-bit drivers. < 1254335696 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: any idea why people /don't/ use native widgets? < 1254335699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also, no applications are 64-bit, pretty much, so everything will go in C:\Program Files (x86) anyway. < 1254335708 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have done in almost everything < 1254335710 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, because what are the native widgets on linux? < 1254335712 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except DNA Maze, for some weird reason < 1254335714 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :QT of course < 1254335716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well, Chromium does it on Windows for quite a good reason. < 1254335717 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No! GTK < 1254335720 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It uses gtk, so invalid argument, stfu. < 1254335732 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on Linux, the native widgets depend on your DE < 1254335733 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it uses GTK *and* draws it's own? < 1254335736 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that is strange < 1254335749 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it draws it is own. < 1254335763 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw there is a QT theme to use GTK and iirc a GTK theme to use QT < 1254335768 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone tried both at once? < 1254335780 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of them has a saveguard against that. < 1254335782 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*safeguard < 1254335786 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how boring < 1254335813 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could disable it and then try < 1254335822 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder when and why it was added, though? < 1254335824 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd just draw blank. < 1254335829 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, because someone tried it? :P < 1254335837 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could have been in GTK from the start, but if not, someone must have tried it < 1254335838 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, too lazy < 1254335843 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, let's do GTK and Athena at the same time < 1254335864 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not in gtk < 1254335867 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in qgtkstyle or whatever < 1254335887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? No need to activate this windows install? *blink* < 1254335897 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it bugs you later. < 1254335905 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :activation happens after install in Windows < 1254335905 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and will disable after n days < 1254335908 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, guess so < 1254335910 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you can only install one xp copy so many times < 1254335913 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes that is what I thought too < 1254335915 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1254335916 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're allowed to use it for 30 days without activationm IIRC < 1254335919 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*activation, < 1254335921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have fun downloading an activator < 1254335937 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: if it's MSDNAA, you could get the activation code pretty easily < 1254335938 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also I never installed this copy before < 1254335939 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although only the once < 1254335949 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes it is MSDNAA < 1254335981 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah now it bugged me < 1254335996 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just iirc it always did it before login before < 1254336102 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well, no way I'm using Chromium as my main browser. < 1254336114 0 :deschutron!n=alex@115.166.37.114 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254336124 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION deschutes deschutron
< 1254336125 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT NOW < 1254336140 0 :deschutron!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am deschuted < 1254336150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :verily < 1254336158 0 :deschutron!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was coming to eavesdrop on some conversation < 1254336172 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's illegal, sir < 1254336172 0 :deschutron!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though i am wondering, < 1254336185 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop < 1254336191 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know what it is < 1254336191 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we all wonder about irrigation sometimes, deschutron. < 1254336192 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..? < 1254336197 0 :deschutron!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wrote an interactive shell in one of my variants of SNUSP < 1254336203 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we just have to get along, you know, and try not to think about irrigation too much, you understand? < 1254336212 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deschutron, are you new here or? < 1254336220 0 :deschutron!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i'm new here < 1254336232 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he may have been here once, twice or 5746583465 times here before, pick one < 1254336237 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that isn't nice to a new user < 1254336244 0 :deschutron!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5746583465 < 1254336248 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, talking about irrigation? i'm so sorry < 1254336255 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deschutron: i didn't mean to upset your virgin ears :( < 1254336278 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: he's been here before. < 1254336292 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1254336293 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, SNUSP < 1254336301 0 :deschutron!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i wrote a neat program in an esoteric language. i'd like to show it off < 1254336305 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1254336307 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and here is a good place < 1254336308 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :absolutely forbidden! < 1254336313 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when ehird and AnMaster stop bickering, at least < 1254336316 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: we must fight to the death,. < 1254336321 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this place could do with being on-topic some of the time at least < 1254336323 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with commas and full stops,. < 1254336325 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :preferably all of it < 1254336336 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd just be boring < 1254336339 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1254336343 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1254336343 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm here because I find esolangs interesting < 1254336365 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a thing called community and it pretty much requires offtopicity. < 1254336380 0 :deschutron!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and irrigation < 1254336384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :artificially censoring the channel to one topic helps nobody, it's just antagonistic; the fact is that esolangs move slowly < 1254336393 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if someone wants to talk about esolangs we're not exactly going to stop them < 1254336394 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't want an artifical censor < 1254336405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what being on topic is; conversation flows < 1254336405 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd prefer a /natural/ censor, as in people talked about esolangs because they're a good subject < 1254336410 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I was talking about Feather earlier < 1254336412 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but was mostly ignored < 1254336419 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I had nothing to say < 1254336423 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was interesting < 1254336424 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :partly because thinking about Feather drives everyone mad, I suppose < 1254336429 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I didn't have many comments < 1254336436 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I should be able to get a reference interp out relatively soon now I hope < 1254336444 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which /would/ be progress < 1254336448 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the thing, there isn't enough happening in esolangs to talk about it all the time, and the only way we can have fun esolang discussions is having a community, so... < 1254336459 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I still think it's a non-concept < 1254336461 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really implementing anything of the language beyond a bare-bones ability to retroactively change the interp < 1254336464 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is all you need, of course < 1254336465 0 :deschutron!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's Feather? < 1254336471 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deschutron: you seriously did not want to ask that < 1254336476 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deschutron: an unreleased esolang of mine < 1254336483 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pressing for more details is liable to cause madness < 1254336484 0 :deschutron!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1254336492 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially as /I/ go mad thinking about it, and I invented it < 1254336494 0 :deschutron!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go ahead < 1254336499 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, OK < 1254336502 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear < 1254336507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deschutron: nice knowing you < 1254336516 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically an attempt to make a decent prototype-based proper OO programming language < 1254336532 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that it involves retroactive changes to things < 1254336535 0 :deschutron!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1254336537 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order to do inheritance, originally < 1254336542 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then generalised out into other thins < 1254336544 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so going to try google chrome in the virtualbox < 1254336544 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*things < 1254336551 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of bloated firefox < 1254336561 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :another alternative would have been opera I guess < 1254336563 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: good idea, but note that the title bar on XP and vista/7 without aero is kinda ugly < 1254336565 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, Feather actually _exists_? < 1254336566 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all blue < 1254336574 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, this is xp x64 < 1254336576 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the idea is, instead of delegation or anything like that, you simply change all the child objects at the time they were created < 1254336579 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: not exactly < 1254336580 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: right, it's just a bit ugly < 1254336581 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea exists < 1254336586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest of it's perfect though < 1254336587 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but as I go mad thinking about it, and nobody else really knows what I mean < 1254336591 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, exists as in the idea is actually serious < 1254336592 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there isn't an interp or anything like that yet < 1254336592 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean < 1254336597 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some notes somewhere, but they're wrong < 1254336598 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was an ongoing joke to talk about it < 1254336608 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1254336608 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, cursed be widescreen laptops indeed. < 1254336613 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: from ehird's point of view, it is, I don't think he thinks I'm serious < 1254336614 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: whut < 1254336620 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as I said, I go mad thinking about it, so maybe I'm not < 1254336624 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I do, I'm just skeptical that the idea can exist, per se < 1254336632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: like, it's trying to feel every part of a klein bottle in a 3d world < 1254336632 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, virtualbox window hight < chrome window height. < 1254336636 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can project it onto the 3d world in various ways < 1254336637 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course I can resize it < 1254336640 0 :deschutron!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by a retroactive change? < 1254336640 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can never capture every aspect like that < 1254336641 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that is some bad defaults < 1254336642 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your madness < 1254336647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is becausey ou'er thinking of different projections < 1254336649 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*because you're < 1254336651 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they're inconsistent < 1254336652 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, eh? < 1254336659 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, feather cannot be expressed < 1254336662 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deschutron: basically, you calculate what state the program would be in if the change had been made at some earlier point in time < 1254336665 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's inconsistent in our universe < 1254336667 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then change the program state to that < 1254336686 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, is it possible to express paradoxes in feather? < 1254336689 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strangely, the operation needed to do this almost already exists, it's a trivial variant of call/cc, and can easily be implemented in terms of it < 1254336693 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like killing your own grand-interpreter? < 1254336693 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, they cause infinite loops < 1254336701 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you get what I mean about non-concept? < 1254336702 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, that isn't a true two-way paradox < 1254336712 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, have you ever written/tried to express something of this online? < 1254336718 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, a .txt document or something < 1254336722 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: sort-of, I pasted some notes on pastebin.ca ages ago < 1254336728 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I said, though, they're wrong < 1254336734 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so I don't know if they're useful or harmful < 1254336744 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1254336755 0 :deschutron!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a feather program can change the prior state abject it was cloned from, and then all the effects of that change are calculated and applied to the machine's state? < 1254336770 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deschutron: pretty much < 1254336772 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, chrome sure lacks some options. Like "ask about every cookie" < 1254336776 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 is ignoring me because i'm crazy :) < 1254336780 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, because that's infeasible < 1254336785 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because every site uses like 5 cookies < 1254336788 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I've used that setting before now < 1254336794 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you just click "remember for site" < 1254336795 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1254336801 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :firefox manages it well < 1254336813 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Chrome also sends a bunch of details to Google by default and updates in the background, so if you're crazy and paranoid why are you using it? < 1254336831 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to use that Iron fork thing to avoid that < 1254336835 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well it isn't like I'll use that vm for a lot < 1254336841 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why are you bothered < 1254336864 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, because I was evaluating it for possible usage elsewhere < 1254336882 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's only any good on windows and i don't imagine you use many windows machines... < 1254336899 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, true. < 1254336945 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what about antivirus for 64-bit windows? < 1254336961 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about anti-MINDvirus? < 1254336968 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, sorry :< < 1254336973 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: just use a 32-bit one? I'm pretty sure they work < 1254336974 0 :deschutron!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: your feather idea sounds interesting, though i don't know whether it provides any convenience at all < 1254336976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, use a 64-bit one < 1254336980 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deschutron: I doubt it does < 1254336991 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: NOD32 is fine if you don't mind pirating, otherwise use the new one Microsoft released which I think is Vista/7 only < 1254336992 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to provide an incredible amount of power, at the cost of going mad trying to write it < 1254336993 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AVG is crap < 1254337000 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, antivirus tends to use drivers to hook in to low level < 1254337004 0 :deschutron!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens if an object kills its grandfather < 1254337004 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I doubt a 32-bit one would work < 1254337008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh < 1254337010 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine then < 1254337019 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deschutron: it doesn't exist in the new timeline < 1254337027 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The built-in Windows firewall is fine < 1254337027 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :timelines only have to be consistent in one direction < 1254337028 0 :deschutron!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie wipes the memory of its grabdfather object at a time before its parent was made < 1254337041 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, actions in deleted parts of timelines can affect the current ones < 1254337046 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: mostly, though, you don't get random viruses nowadays < 1254337049 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least not with SP3 < 1254337063 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this avoids the grandfather paradox neatly, although not certain other sorts of paradoxes < 1254337071 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's basically no known ways to run some code without running something vaguely executable yourself < 1254337072 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, heck this is sp1... installing upgrades atm < 1254337073 0 :deschutron!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, like back to the future 2 < 1254337103 0 :deschutron!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then some results of the change are carried forward, but some are not, right> < 1254337125 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, all changes are carried forwards < 1254337130 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if that wipes out the source of the change, so be it < 1254337158 0 :deschutron!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suppose you have two separate objects A and B < 1254337159 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the major issues in actual programming (which I've thought about, but not tried) is to ensure that changing things that happened early on don't completely destroy the logic of your program < 1254337171 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless, of course, you're doing that deliberately, but why would you? < 1254337176 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, two objects are fine < 1254337206 0 :deschutron!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and A wipes B's grandparent before B is made. < 1254337212 0 :deschutron!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does B cease to exist? < 1254337219 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1254337224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what happens if you make true haven-alwaysbeen false? < 1254337225 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, in that timeline, it never existed in the first place < 1254337225 0 :deschutron!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if A = B? < 1254337234 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the interpreter just explode infinitely and give up? < 1254337241 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deschutron: same thing, no paradox under Feather's rules < 1254337254 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: anything that actually depended on them being different would probably retroactively break < 1254337265 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :leading to something hard to distinguish from undefined behaviour < 1254337268 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: like, say, the original interpreter < 1254337271 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1254337279 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which interprets itself, and so BOOM? < 1254337295 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not exactly BOOM, the resulting code would do /something/ < 1254337300 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be unlikely to be useful, though < 1254337308 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, just see what true become: false does in Smalltalk < 1254337318 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it can't; you can't interpret the original interpreter if true is false < 1254337323 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be pretty similar, retroactivity doesn't make that any more of a disaster than it is imperatively < 1254337340 0 :deschutron!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so then if an object kills its grandfather, its future actions are nullified, but its past ones are not < 1254337347 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deschutron: yes, that's it < 1254337358 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... can time be removed from Feather? < 1254337363 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: well, yes, so it would probably break before (in that timeline) the program ever got to run < 1254337370 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, ther is no progression of time, everything has to be done retroactively < 1254337373 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*there < 1254337373 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: possibly; it depends on what you mean by that < 1254337375 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of thing < 1254337386 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is immutable in Feather < 1254337386 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, isn't the mechanism of advancing in the program redundant if you can manipulate time retroactively? < 1254337390 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, it is in lambda calculus too < 1254337417 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I see what you're saying; I think that's the Feather equivalent of a trampoline, or something like taht < 1254337419 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that < 1254337425 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not sure < 1254337442 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really understand what I'm proposing, but then I don't understand Feather either < 1254337453 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither do I < 1254337465 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just seems like having everything work retroactively on a single point of unchanging non-time is way more elegant than ugly time and its progression < 1254337469 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm getting a grasp on how it works simply by observations about what couldn't work, and what I can't find a contradiction in < 1254337606 0 :deschutron!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: consider these two cases: < 1254337606 0 :deschutron!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A has a variable x; x = 0; A sets x's initial value to 10; x = 10 < 1254337606 0 :deschutron!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A has a variable x; x = 0; A sets 0 to x + 1; x = 1; A sets x's initial value to 10; x = 1 < 1254337650 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, what do you mean by "x = 0" here? < 1254337658 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't change the current values of things, only the initial values < 1254337669 0 :deschutron!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok < 1254337721 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAH < 1254337734 0 :deschutron!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it should be interesting < 1254337735 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I know why the ISO doesn't work "error reading" for lots of files on it < 1254337746 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically broken download < 1254337766 0 :Cerise!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Jerry < 1254337767 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1254337801 0 :adam_d!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1254337813 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and microsoft even made you download an *.exe supposed to download the whole thing < 1254337846 0 :deschutron!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an alternative solution to the grandfather paradox is that the environment detects it and throws an exception, which the program uses as part of its control flow < 1254337879 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more programs need to have a ui like darcs. i think. < 1254337896 0 :deschutron!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could have programs deliberately causing paradoxes, just to cause the effects they need to operate. if blocks could be implemented with paradoxes < 1254337900 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: is that MSDNAA? I had to download visual studio 4 times... the downloader is awful < 1254337918 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deschutron: well, pretty much every change to the language is a paradox in a way < 1254337927 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that the program that caused it means something else in the new language < 1254337942 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing that gets ehird mad is the concept of retroactively changing things in the interpreter itself < 1254337947 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's a generalisation of the same concept, really < 1254337960 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mad? < 1254337962 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all you have to do is box it (make it able to change retroactively), and give a copy of it to the program < 1254337964 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like crazy or upset < 1254337971 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: well, thinking it won't work < 1254337978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's not true < 1254337988 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I've never said either of those things < 1254338001 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are plenty of things that won't work; I think Feather is more than simply not-working < 1254338007 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, if we have willWork(p) < 1254338008 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, ok < 1254338012 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you say I think ~willWork(feather) < 1254338020 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas I think you can't even give "feather" a value < 1254338034 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., it's inexpressable in the logic of our universe, and maybe we need a more flexible universe with better logic to have Feather < 1254338038 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely serious about it < 1254338040 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1254338044 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it would explain the insanity < 1254338048 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: is that MSDNAA? I had to download visual studio 4 times... the downloader is awful <-- yes it is < 1254338069 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal, and that will be a bit painful for windows 7 pro... < 1254338070 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a brilliant method for dealing with the apparent causality paradoxen, I think < 1254338072 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rtm too < 1254338076 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't feel up to explaining it right now < 1254338091 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck the downloader even said "Checking CRC" < 1254338096 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so complete and utter fail < 1254338099 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :failure* < 1254338113 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want crc to be reliable on a multi-jiggabyte file? < 1254338124 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no I want it to use something saner < 1254338136 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, md5 < 1254338137 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CRC's excellent at detecting accidental errors < 1254338145 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it isn't good at detecting deliberate ones < 1254338163 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it failed in this case. the iso is cut short at 3 GB and it should be something closer to twice that I think < 1254338174 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did the CRC match? < 1254338180 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: er, no < 1254338184 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no? < 1254338190 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DVDs can only do about 4GB normally or thereabouts < 1254338196 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Windows 7 doesn't, afaik, require a dual-layer DVD < 1254338200 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, I know it doesn't for a fact < 1254338214 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does dual side, dual layer even exist? < 1254338216 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the burning tool I used told me I could use a single-layer when I gave it a dual-layer to write to < 1254338224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dual layer dvds are like 9GB < 1254338224 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ok. < 1254338233 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes because 4+4=9 < 1254338234 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1254338250 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 3.9GB, I think < 1254338251 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for single-layers < 1254338258 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1254338260 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too lazy to check < 1254338269 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so dual would be slightly less than 8? < 1254338287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD%2BR_DL < 1254338291 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried downloading it from a friend, but I apparently used some version of wget that looped around to -2.1GB when it reached 2GB, and then crashed. < 1254338298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4.7GB single layer < 1254338309 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal, maybe I should download MSDO 6.0 from MSDNAA? < 1254338311 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9.4GB DL < 1254338318 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't mean double layer < 1254338321 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant double side < 1254338322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1254338322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever < 1254338324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"~17.08 GB (rare—double-sided, double-layer)" < 1254338326 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :want < 1254338336 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, okay, don't want < 1254338340 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but would be fun. < 1254338345 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^it after but < 1254338361 0 :deschutron!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have an idea < 1254338382 0 :deschutron!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can imagine this situation: < 1254338383 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, iirc they are/were tricky to manufacture < 1254338391 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, issues getting them flat when gluing all the layers together < 1254338394 0 :deschutron!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A != B. A changes B's past, B's previous behaviour changes, A reads from B and prints to screen. A changes B's past again, B's previous behaviour changes, A reads from B again. B is effectively a method. no paradoxes occur here either < 1254338397 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was years ago I read that though < 1254338405 0 :MigoMipo!i=54d906c0@gateway/web/freenode/x-jdnejwgsejtgvzjv JOIN :#esoteric < 1254338406 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could do with a non-flat dvd < 1254338410 0 :deschutron!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A changes A's past. A becomes undefined. An exception is thrown. A's creator receives it and reacts to it. < 1254338417 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, I'd totally love an orb storage mechanism < 1254338418 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a cube < 1254338424 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deschutron: that sort of thing seems reasonable < 1254338425 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a tray in front of the monitor < 1254338425 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, sure. As decoration. Doesn't actually work in a computer though < 1254338425 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if rather confusing < 1254338428 0 :deschutron!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let A's creator = C, and look back in time to before A existed. < 1254338428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you throw it in < 1254338430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it shoots it into the reader < 1254338430 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, get DVD-RAM instead ;P < 1254338438 0 :deschutron!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C creates A to do some stuff for it. C waits for a paradox exception. C recieves and knows that A has done its work. C performs its next task. < 1254338440 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worryingly, I think you probably /have/ to program in that sort of way, and that's what makes Feather an esolang < 1254338446 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get the beautifully-decorated album orb from the shelf < 1254338450 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :throw it into the monitor's tray < 1254338453 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THWWWWPT < 1254338454 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, you wouldn't exactly get a paradox exception < 1254338456 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sucked in and starts reading < 1254338459 0 :deschutron!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is undefined whether A did anything, but the output cannot be undone. C has successfully manipulated time to its own ends. The user's experience is as if they are travelling in a Tardis. < 1254338463 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd just find that the object you just created nevertheless no longer exists < 1254338467 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would be a giveaway < 1254338471 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the orb storage will be short-lived, after everyone gets fed up with fetching them after they roll away < 1254338497 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, :D < 1254338517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, well I'm fed up with cds/dvds falling on floor and being hard to pick up < 1254338526 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well,* < 1254338532 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am slightly worried by the fact AnMaster seems to get my jokes best these days < 1254338538 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deschutron: have you seen the TRDS extension to Befunge? < 1254338545 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not unlike Feather, in a way < 1254338547 0 :deschutron!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1254338548 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just doesn't go nearly as far < 1254338558 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, it lets you preserve and rewind state < 1254338562 0 :deschutron!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i might have just found a possible line between what is undone and what isn't < 1254338568 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant here understands it well enough to have writen a testsuite < 1254338570 0 :deschutron!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :standard output < 1254338571 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well < 1254338575 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think cubes would be better than orbs < 1254338586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but those'd be less fun to decorate < 1254338589 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deschutron: I/O is a real pain in Feather, for this sort of reason < 1254338601 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm planning to get the rest of the language done first and then see if there's a natural way to do I/O < 1254338604 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, sqrt(-garfield) was really funny today IMO < 1254338610 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it isn't all that important computationally < 1254338633 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1254338634 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :pratchett.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1254338651 0 :deschutron!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could have it such that each object has two methods of communication: one convenient one like functions or direct manipulation, and one other like writing to standard out < 1254338652 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : but those'd be less fun to decorate [your xmas tree with] < 1254338661 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what, "logging off" in windows is WAY from the center < 1254338668 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like at the right side < 1254338675 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's the design < 1254338680 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deschutron: well, the language is called Feather because the language itself is bare-bones < 1254338681 0 :deschutron!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actions in the convenient are undone by changes to previous states < 1254338682 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally, in the login screen, to the left is "welcome" < 1254338690 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and to the right (where that logging off text is) is the users < 1254338694 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you're meant to use standardish headers, etc, to create the language features you want at runtime < 1254338696 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh? I tend to use classical login yeah < 1254338699 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe I missed it < 1254338713 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sort of thing is the sort of thing that would be perfect to go in a library < 1254338714 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the XP-style login is ugly but convenient; click type enter beats type type type tab type enter < 1254338721 0 :deschutron!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :output to the second channel is preserved as whatever it was when it was written < 1254338732 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you forgot ctrl-alt-del before login < 1254338736 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO Feather should be made in a way so that you can add any OS interaction you want, somehow < 1254338738 0 :deschutron!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the user only receives info if it passes through the second channel < 1254338742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: err, why? < 1254338747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, classical-stle < 1254338749 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :style < 1254338755 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deschutron: the real challenge with output is actually to not reprint it every time you get a change < 1254338758 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you have to on the xp computers at uni at least < 1254338761 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure why < 1254338761 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the timeline < 1254338763 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's do it classical-style baby < 1254338767 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, security maybe < 1254338770 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :classical login just reminds me of NT. < 1254338778 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you could just store an output pointer in an object, together with the output, and reprint only if it changes < 1254338781 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, NT wasn't that bad. ;P < 1254338790 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck yes it was < 1254338803 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: there's a Linux equivalent of control-alt-del before login too, but it's more interesting < 1254338822 0 :deschutron!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could have it such that when the actions of the past are recalculated, the standard out calls that should have happened are not executed < 1254338826 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, relative windows 3.1 I mean < 1254338831 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alt-(SysRq,K) terminates all programs but the login screen < 1254338836 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you know after pressing it that you're at a real login screen, not a fake one < 1254338848 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nt was pretty much identical to 3.1 at first, then much shittier than 95 < 1254338848 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it DIED < 1254338850 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deschutron: or executed and ignored, probably easier in practice < 1254338864 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"easier in practice" < 1254338865 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"feather" < 1254338867 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you suck < 1254338895 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Alt-(SysRq,K) terminates all programs but the login screen <-- eh? On windows? < 1254338897 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1254338900 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, on Linux < 1254338903 0 :deschutron!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean no bytes get sent to standard out, but all variable changes still occur < 1254338907 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the kernel level, so usermode programs can't fool it < 1254338912 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deschutron: yes, exactly < 1254338914 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and no it doesn't. It kills even getty but getty respawns < 1254338915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1254338921 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ofc < 1254338925 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything but init, then < 1254338931 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as init's responsible for the respawning < 1254338933 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no, only current terminal < 1254338942 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even better < 1254338949 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: a bit black humor, i think < 1254338952 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and it doesn't work very well on gdm < 1254338958 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, eh? < 1254338972 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan, sqrt(-garfield) was really funny today IMO < 1254338976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there ought to be a tool for a program designed to be a tool for programming and maintaining, but isn't just an "editor" of text files, and isn't a big bloated IDE because it uses other tools to do the work < 1254338981 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh that. was ages ago < 1254338992 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"programmer" would work, but is sorta taken. :P < 1254339002 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, thought you were making some bad pun on "kill getty", "terminal", "black" < 1254339004 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i netsplat < 1254339011 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that would be even below your level < 1254339036 0 :deschutron!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, are you familiar with SNUSP? < 1254339046 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deschutron, I'm not. Short summary? < 1254339050 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know of it, but not much < 1254339076 0 :deschutron!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a 2D brainfuck variant, inspired by PATH, and better than PATH < 1254339082 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1254339084 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you said "yay snusp" before :P < 1254339099 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it doesn't get enough love < 1254339100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, whatever the term is, I think I'm going to make one of them with a UI sort of like darcs. < 1254339159 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :snuggle up to snusp < 1254339176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :muggles snuggle to snusp < 1254339207 0 :deschutron!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had the idea to add a fork instruction to it < 1254339230 0 :deschutron!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the parent and the child are automatically piped to each other < 1254339281 0 :deschutron!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you think that would be in keeping with the spirit of the language? < 1254339336 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with Bloated SNUSP, definitely < 1254339340 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it already exists in that < 1254339363 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case it would still be in keeping with the spirit, just redundant < 1254339375 0 :deschutron!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bloated SNUSP has an instruction to create new threads < 1254339421 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bloated brainfuck basically? :D < 1254339423 0 :deschutron!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the new thread shares memory with the original, and the two then takes turns to execute instructions < 1254339433 0 :deschutron!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bloated 2d brainfuck < 1254339446 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deschutron, yes but the idea of bloating brainfuck seems so backwards < 1254339486 0 :deschutron!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it does, it destroys the minimalism < 1254339518 0 :deschutron!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but snusp offers something other than pure minimalism. it offers a chance to visually see algorithms < 1254339577 0 :deschutron!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the instructions are very orthogonal, and the program's memory structure is simple, so there is something nice about it < 1254339600 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Brainfork is pretty elegant as a language < 1254339606 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck + threading < 1254339623 0 :deschutron!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a variant called Brainfork < 1254339629 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why "take turns" as opposed to true concurrency? < 1254339644 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :predictability, I presume < 1254339646 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :turn-taking is easier to implement for the person writing the compiler/interp < 1254339647 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lame < 1254339648 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and boring < 1254339649 0 :deschutron!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was the way bloated snusp's threading was designed < 1254339656 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no it's not < 1254339659 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: you can't really do a lock in brainfuck in the proper way < 1254339663 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why exactly is the driver called "Microsoft TCP/IP version 6". And the IPv4 one is just "Internet Protocol (TCP/IP)" < 1254339674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: who cares < 1254339678 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: why not? < 1254339678 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the answer is because < 1254339679 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you /can/ do a lock in INTERCAL in the proper way < 1254339689 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it indicates that it isn't compatible with the standard one < 1254339697 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: use an empty memory cell, increment it while your'e busy, then decrement < 1254339697 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :semaphores, mutexes, all those primitives are easily implemented in terms of INTERCAL's more powerful primitives < 1254339700 0 :deschutron!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i came up with a different way of multithreading for snusp < 1254339705 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, it doesn't < 1254339708 0 :deschutron!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is based on the fork() function in unix < 1254339709 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : lame and boring <-- agreed < 1254339713 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, was trying to joke about it < 1254339719 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't funny < 1254339724 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, sure was < 1254339765 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1254339817 0 :deschutron!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally, a snusp program can only communicate via stdin and stdout. < 1254339823 0 :deschutron!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if when you created a new thread, it could only communicate with other threads through stdin and stdout? < 1254339955 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so lets see.. 1) sp 2 2) more upgrades 3) more upgrades, still no sight of sp3 < 1254339958 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :between each a reboot < 1254339966 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there will be a reboot after batch 3 < 1254339976 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :microsoft: WHY? < 1254340107 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaand now ie 8 sigh < 1254340118 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie 6 was quite a nostalgia trip :D < 1254340119 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ^ < 1254340335 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, this sound interesting: Windows 7 Debugging Symbols Checked Build (x86) - (English) < 1254340372 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=second+squared+per+second <-- W|A gives bogus output? < 1254340385 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The box with the 2 in it doesn't look... good < 1254340401 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" To see full output you need to enable Javascript in your browser " <-- err "any output" might be more accurate < 1254340454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20090927151401988 < 1254340454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ouch. < 1254340458 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : The box with the 2 in it doesn't look... good <-- how should it look instead of (s^2)/s < 1254340461 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That stung. < 1254340463 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: you read GrokLaw? < 1254340473 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: uh < 1254340474 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{2[[1]], Comparison as <>PhysicalLookup(2[[1]], PhysicalQuantitySingularName), CalculateScan`UnitScanner`Private`KnownMUnitToQuantityComparison(2, {CalculateUnits`UnitTable`MUnit(1, Unit(First[{}]))})[[CalculateScan`UnitScanner`Private`KnownMUnitToQuantityComparison(2, {CalculateUnits`UnitTable`MUnit(1, Unit(First[{}]))})]]}: < 1254340480 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, but reddit does < 1254340480 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that ^ < 1254340488 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: uh <-- uh about what? < 1254340495 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ... < 1254340496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing, AnMaster. < 1254340498 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, doesn't look like that here < 1254340502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like s^2/s < 1254340505 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically < 1254340508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looooooooooool < 1254340512 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster has no scrollbar < 1254340516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and his screen is tiny < 1254340517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently < 1254340521 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, um I do < 1254340524 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or no JS < 1254340525 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :want a screenshot? < 1254340526 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something < 1254340528 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly not, or you would have scrolled down < 1254340531 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, enabled JS in firefox < 1254340534 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I scrolled down < 1254340536 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the box below Unit system < 1254340541 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that reminds me of the bit about Silverlight being ported to Moblin < 1254340548 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is below Input interpretation < 1254340549 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is weird; I don't get why they aren't using Moonlight < 1254340551 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is what you quoted < 1254340561 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless Microsoft want two competing Silverlight impls on Linux? < 1254340612 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has a rather stupid idea
< 1254340620 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu/kFreeBSD or Ubuntu/kHURd < 1254340622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*HURD < 1254340655 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there's Debian GNU/BSD < 1254340656 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Nexenta < 1254340665 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know Debian/k{FreeBSD,HURD} exist < 1254340678 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wouldn't be hard, just take debian's kernel and base packages and add them to a fork of ubuntu's repo < 1254340685 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nexenta is Ubuntu/kOpenSolaris, IIRC < 1254340689 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then remove the linux packages, tweak the installed base package < 1254340692 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rebuild EVERYTHING < 1254340693 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and voila < 1254340735 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you wouldn't need to rebuild things that weren't linking against the kernel or libc, and had no OS-dependent code < 1254340738 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there have to be some < 1254340744 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, FireFly: what on: http://omploader.org/vMmdlMA < 1254340761 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please tell me where the bad stuff is there < 1254340771 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: note the loading bar. < 1254340780 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes it never finishes < 1254340783 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just stays there < 1254340787 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at that point < 1254340796 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, even after refresh < 1254340796 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then refresh. < 1254340799 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then fail. < 1254340816 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what petname is
< 1254340826 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what? NetHack? < 1254340833 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, see the "unauthicated" at the top? < 1254340836 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(only mentioning that because it's pretty similar to a NetHack option name) < 1254340839 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically it remembers ssl certs < 1254340839 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that screenshot, pay attention < 1254340847 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: uh, what < 1254340849 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I don't follow links < 1254340855 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I find it hard to think of them as context < 1254340861 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: then stop asking people when they talk about them < 1254340862 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so when I go to my internet bank it verifies the fingerprint is the same. And displays that. < 1254340866 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I'm paranoid < 1254340869 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your personal hangup about clicking links is unique < 1254340876 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gets me out of trouble < 1254340876 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: firefox does that. < 1254340882 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this way has fewer rickrolls < 1254340884 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, um, only that cert is valid < 1254340884 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so does /ignore * < 1254340890 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not that it is the same as you stored < 1254340893 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it impairs conversation just the same < 1254340896 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it doesn't change and someone faked it < 1254340898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not in recent versions < 1254340913 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, mhm? I had that extension since 3.0 at least < 1254340923 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least in 3.5, I think < 1254340936 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that is firefox 3.0.14 you are looking at < 1254340938 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jaunty remember < 1254340940 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT karmic < 1254340946 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a 3.5 package in jaunty. < 1254340968 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes but it is universe or something, not officially supported it says < 1254340980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, so're most things < 1254340986 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you noticed that there is no official ubuntu support? < 1254340990 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you count expensive telephone calls < 1254340998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irc, forums ... none of that is official < 1254341069 0 :deschutron!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1254341086 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, true < 1254341166 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: there is, but you have to pay for it < 1254341179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"unless you count" < 1254341181 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see why there'd be official unpaid support if there's official paid suport < 1254341185 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you ignoring random lines as well as links? < 1254341185 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: well, I do count that < 1254341191 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, and nobody uses it < 1254341193 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as that's exactly what the official support is < 1254341196 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/CSopO.jpg, outside reddit offices < 1254341199 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm relatively sure some people do < 1254341214 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I bought this computer, Dell offered me bundled paid support for Ubuntu if I wanted it < 1254341222 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I declined, but there are some people who might accept < 1254341241 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and companies would want to accept even more; after all, RHEL is (still) a success in the business world < 1254341248 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's the same principle there < 1254341329 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy australian mailman reminders day, btw < 1254341351 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Success < 1254341365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is "microsoft update" so much slower for the "checking for updates" step than "windows update" < 1254341366 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1254341424 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-159-108-51.range86-159.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1254341437 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, sure there is sp 3 for x64 too? < 1254341440 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because Microsoft is bigger than Windows? < 1254341448 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because no such thing is listed < 1254341456 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well no other MS software installed atm < 1254341468 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well,* < 1254341475 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? You have Windows bundled with nothing at all? < 1254341487 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure standard Windows installs have more than bare bones < 1254341506 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm? well there is IE, but that was updated by windows update too < 1254341539 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, this is newly installed windows xp pro x64 < 1254341557 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: does it come with things like Notepad/ < 1254341566 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that is part of windows... < 1254341568 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not that Notepad would likely need much updating...) < 1254341573 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and is updated by windows update < 1254341576 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like wordpad too < 1254341579 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, ok < 1254341602 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, microsoft update updates office and other such "non-bundled" apps. But none of those are installed < 1254341617 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's installing them so it has something to update < 1254341633 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1254341677 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, plus I fail to see why it would take any longer than apt-get update followed by the upgrade part that checks for upgrades < 1254341682 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck it should take less < 1254341692 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since there are fewer packages, just updates < 1254341709 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a text file with last hotpatch level in would be enough < 1254342389 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-86-123.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1254342830 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bacj < 1254342830 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1254342836 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ehird, sure there is sp 3 for x64 too? < 1254342839 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh of course < 1254342840 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bach < 1254342868 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, odd then that it isn't listed hm < 1254342873 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523, plus I fail to see why it would take any longer than apt-get update followed by the upgrade part that checks for upgrades < 1254342879 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardware checking, software checking < 1254342881 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for compatibility etc < 1254342890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and whether the upgrade is required for this software set < 1254342894 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hardware set < 1254342910 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, shouldn't take that long, and you could cache results and such < 1254343048 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"mov.i #1,1" < 1254343068 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah < 1254343072 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop imp-bombing #esoteri < 1254343074 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*#estoeric < 1254343079 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :**#esoteric < 1254343108 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mov.i #-1,-1 < 1254343115 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spl -1 < 1254343117 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, that'll do < 1254343138 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming an IP ends up in my code before impomatic's < 1254343159 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but imps are hillarious < 1254343256 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not when they overwrite the logs < 1254343313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr, my mouse keeps losing connection < 1254343316 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better replace the batteries < 1254343344 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I switched to a wired mouse for that reason < 1254343374 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they've lasted for at least a month < 1254343445 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wireless mouse with rechargable batteries <3 < 1254343463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you still have to charge them. < 1254343464 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And charger where you put the mouse when you leave the computer < 1254343476 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that only works if you leave the computer :D < 1254343484 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True, but I sleep < 1254343484 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1254343488 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psht < 1254343489 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As opposed to other people here :) < 1254343534 0 :Azstal!n=asztal@host86-156-199-0.range86-156.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1254343586 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hilarious, I opened shut down dialog to restart XP for upgrade. and after I click ok the "there are uninstalled upgrades, reboot now/later" dialog pops up < 1254343601 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be promptly killed by the shutting down process a few seconds later < 1254343613 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's so hilarious. Could never happen in Linux or anything. < 1254343626 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it *could*, but I never seen it happen < 1254343650 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw what exactly *are* .msc < 1254343657 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thingies. < 1254343681 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you create one? < 1254343699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Addition to the management console in Windows. If the MMC fails to complete a normal shut down, the SMS.MSC file may be removed from the system. As a result, the shortcut is not found when the Systems Management Server Administrator console is started. See the added into link below for a solution. Note: This file type can become infected and should be carefully scanned if someone sends you a file with this extension. < 1254343712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"management console", I guess. < 1254343721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, addon to. < 1254343736 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1254343765 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes I know that they are "management console" files. I was wondering more like "are they *.dlls basically that are loaded into msc.exe or what"? < 1254343783 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the defrag GUI is an example of a *.msc < 1254343786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who knows? < 1254343790 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*an *.msc < 1254343801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you pronounce * "star". < 1254343819 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Anyway, run file(1) on one and see. < 1254343836 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how to pronounce it at all < 1254343845 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"An em ess cee". < 1254343847 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a word actually has no pronunciation, do you use "a" or "an" before it? < 1254343863 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my mind reads the *. as something nonverbal when I'm reading to myself < 1254343868 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, if you're annoying and pedantic: < 1254343870 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"An asterisk dot em ess cee". < 1254343870 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is weird, as I normally read text as words < 1254343876 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or < 1254343881 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the others are stupid < 1254343883 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/asterisk// < 1254343887 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and pronounce dot but not the asterisk < 1254343888 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also erm < 1254343890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/asterisk/star/ < 1254343891 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean < 1254343923 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: maybe "a[n] *.msc" is pronounced "an em ess cee file". < 1254343924 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1254344062 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, I did verbalise it as "star dot" when I forced it into words < 1254344070 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably based on the common verbalisation of the DOS idiom *.* < 1254344131 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I refer to this place as "esoteric" or, if in a clarifactory (so a word) mood, "the esoteric programming languages channel". Admittedly I don't actually have many chances to mention it IRL. < 1254344148 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I mostly say "the esoteric... thi*recognition*ng, right" < 1254344164 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can use mostly for an occurrence as common as dodos. < 1254344213 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Unless you pronounce * "star". <-- no, "thingy" < 1254344222 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: so do you often apply clarifaction? < 1254344242 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess clarificatory is a better word. < 1254344266 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a clarificent word < 1254344278 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, "an m"? < 1254344281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clarifficient < 1254344295 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When speaking of IRC channels in real life, I use "risu-", which I guess is a bit like "hash-". (Though "risu" is a shortening of the word "risuaita" commonly used in Finnish for that character; literally translated it'd be "stick fence" or "twig fence" or something.) < 1254344299 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: m is pronounced em, so yes, an m. < 1254344307 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :m-s-c = em ess see. < 1254344318 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Msc isn't really pronouncable. Musk doesn't count. < 1254344330 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you can pronounce without vowels < 1254344331 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a mess, see? < 1254344333 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: twig fence esoteric < 1254344333 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, it isn't easy < 1254344339 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it can be done < 1254344347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Thus "isn't really pronounceable". < 1254344351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I add in words for a reason, guys. < 1254344357 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Maybe I'll start using "twig-" in English; that's bound to be confusing enough. < 1254344382 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irc ball freenode ball net ... what's /? < 1254344385 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spear! < 1254344385 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The other day on twig-esoteric, ehird was waggling his eyebrows." (Sorry, I couldn't figure out any more realistic event.) < 1254344401 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... what's :? < 1254344415 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irc ? double-twig irc ball freenode ball net spear twig esoteric < 1254344427 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Technically it should be irc://irc.freenode.net/esoteric without the twig, but eh. < 1254344436 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the next day, he was haggling his eyeballs < 1254344436 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For your convenience: < 1254344439 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waggles eyebrows
< 1254344440 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1254344440 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you mean double-spear there. < 1254344445 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, yes. < 1254344467 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are stairs < 1254344488 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> and < are stairs. < 1254344493 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1254344507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what are :, / and # in Nethack? < 1254344509 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :><> ><> < 1254344516 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Newt, wand, and wall < 1254344518 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first one's newt, isn't it < 1254344518 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1254344532 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, all newtlikes < 1254344535 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: does . have a name? < 1254344547 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it just ... ground < 1254344547 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gecko and some others < 1254344547 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Floor? < 1254344569 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: commands, or on the ground? < 1254344576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ground < 1254344576 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think any of the characters have official Nethack names :-P < 1254344579 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as commands: look here, describe glyph, extended command < 1254344594 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the ground: reptile (most commonly a newt), wand, and corridor < 1254344599 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1254344601 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1254344603 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, other things than corridors are possible too for # < 1254344605 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1254344606 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but corridors are the most common < 1254344607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does . have a name on the ground? :P < 1254344617 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: use ; to look at it < 1254344618 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you'll find out < 1254344623 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's something complicated < 1254344624 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have nethack open < 1254344627 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, newts are not reptiles < 1254344636 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "floor or ice or a drawbridge or ..." < 1254344645 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irc reptile double-wand irc floor freenode floor net wand corridor esoteric < 1254344646 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sorry, amphibian < 1254344648 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1254344653 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irc amphibian double-wand irc floor freenode floor net wand corridor esoteric < 1254344656 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1254344657 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irc newt double-wand irc floor freenode floor net wand corridor esoteric < 1254344658 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds better < 1254344661 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, either in NetHack, it's not all that picky < 1254344667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird@ehird-desktop:~$ nethack < 1254344667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The program 'nethack' can be found in the following packages: < 1254344667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * nethack-console < 1254344667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * nethack-qt < 1254344667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * nethack-x11 < 1254344668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try: sudo apt-get install < 1254344672 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nethack: command not found < 1254344675 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm kind of offended it considers the others acceptable alternatives < 1254344679 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you want the full list for S_LIZARD: newt, gecko, iguana, baby crocodile, lizard, chameleon, crocodile, salamander. < 1254344682 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: they're all the console version < 1254344685 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 reboots and still not done yet. God-fucking-damn windows update < 1254344688 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other two have graphical versions in the same binary < 1254344695 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but are console by default unless opened via the GUI < 1254344700 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, nethack-qt's GUI is broken < 1254344709 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't care, unless the two others have become way better recently it's sacrelidge < 1254344710 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you only have one viable alternative for graphical play < 1254344714 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sacrilege < 1254344721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, how is it broken? < 1254344731 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, it even uses qt3 < 1254344731 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me get a screenshot for you, it'll be obvious from that < 1254344732 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIKE A DINOSAUR < 1254344739 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what, no raptors? < 1254344747 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what does the GTK one look like? < 1254344764 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, Qt 3's default theme is ugly < 1254344770 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: who said it has one? < 1254344781 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it used to use athena widgets < 1254344783 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1254344785 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x11 < 1254344786 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not gtk < 1254344788 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it became unmaintained for that reason and was dropped < 1254344788 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, the qt tiles are really ugly < 1254344792 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X11 is also athena, but saner < 1254344793 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was so used to qt vs. gtk < 1254344802 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I quite like the qt one here < 1254344802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like unreadably < 1254344816 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the console one is obviously better < 1254344821 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but qt one could be worse < 1254344838 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there: http://imgur.com/6jeoK.png < 1254344870 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't happen for me < 1254344871 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: presumably your version actually works, then < 1254344884 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ah, you installed nethack-qt? < 1254344887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, the default font is way to large you have to change it to saner < 1254344887 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: aargh, why is your applications menu indented? < 1254344889 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they actually fixed that problem < 1254344890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that totally breaks fitt's law < 1254344898 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: there's a button in the top-left < 1254344899 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your show desktop and trash too < 1254344902 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that I use more than the menu itself < 1254344907 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it do? < 1254344914 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I took all the decoration off the button to save space < 1254344918 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it just looks like a blank space < 1254344919 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hides it? < 1254344921 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hides the panel < 1254344929 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can fit programs into a larger space < 1254344930 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, I you do indeed have truly anemic screen space. < 1254344934 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/I // < 1254344936 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(most commonly I use that for battle for wesnoth) < 1254344937 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you can't get gnome to show the hide panel on only *ONE* side < 1254344947 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can with KDE 3 btw < 1254344948 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who cares, both panels are valuable < 1254344972 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god < 1254344974 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nethack-x11 < 1254344975 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the colours < 1254344976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY EYES < 1254344977 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm I have hide ones too < 1254344980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, screenshot < 1254345018 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, forgot to start dropbox < 1254345030 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of nethack, are they still making Falcon's Eye, or did they replace that with some other project or something? < 1254345038 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/2164436/2009-09/nethack-x11.png < 1254345046 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1254345049 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't syncing < 1254345050 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hmm < 1254345051 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Vulture's is a fork that's more recently developed < 1254345053 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sec < 1254345056 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Didn't it die like 10 years ago? < 1254345076 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: No, there's a newspost from 2002. < 1254345086 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7, then. < 1254345088 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sec < 1254345094 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Close enough < 1254345099 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, is it 2009 already? < 1254345112 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately < 1254345120 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a "starts with 2, must be recent" reflex. < 1254345126 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/2164436/2009-09/nethack-x11.png < 1254345140 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, me too, somewhat. < 1254345157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I forgot to blur my highly-sensitive taskbar of a submission from reddit, two people, IRC and some terminals! < 1254345165 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, are you 100% sure that there is SP3 for XP x64? < 1254345178 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows XP x64 SP3 < 1254345178 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 posts - 4 authors - Last post: 9 Mar < 1254345178 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually you can install SP3 on x64 versions and if you use either WindowsUpdate or MicrosoftUpdate you will be prompted to install it ... < 1254345181 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :64-Bit Windows XP Service Pack 3? - Don't think so... at least for ... < 1254345182 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14 Dec 2007 ... SP3 for Windows XP x64 = SP3 for Windows Server 2003, because Windows XP x64 is based on Windows Server 2003 and not on Windows XP 32bits. ... < 1254345194 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PEOPLE ARE CONFLICTED < 1254345204 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that nethack-x11 looks just like mine < 1254345207 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it seems you just listed three different opinions < 1254345214 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty ugly and not particularly usable, in other words < 1254345224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Two google results. < 1254345226 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and it isn't listed on windows update or microsoft update < 1254345229 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it has an annoying problem with the keyboard controls < 1254345235 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, the nethack-x11 tiles are really tiny < 1254345244 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NetHack has swappable tilesets < 1254345254 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are larger better-looking ones, but it's a pain to figure out how to use them < 1254345304 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll stick to my current strategy, which is not playing NetHack :P < 1254345396 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what is wrong with console? < 1254345404 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing. < 1254345421 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would have assumed AnMaster would use nethack-el+nethack-lisp. < 1254345439 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I use just plain nethack in facrt < 1254345441 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fact* < 1254345443 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Farct. < 1254345459 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TAEB should be rewritten to use nethack-el, because of WHY GOD WHY. < 1254345481 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't work on existing public servers < 1254345483 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the whole point < 1254345489 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY < 1254345490 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOD < 1254345490 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY < 1254345499 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :context? < 1254345509 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just horrific :P < 1254345515 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Due to, you know, Emacs Lisp. < 1254345517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Emacs. < 1254345519 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"# All the beauty that comes with Emacs" --nethack-el features lis < 1254345521 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*list < 1254345525 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope they don't mean cosmetically... < 1254345541 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been using the console variant with IBMgraphics, though I don't really play. < 1254345575 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how far have you got? < 1254345578 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Occasionally I pick up nethack and think, yeah, I can totally play this for years and years and finally ascend, I'm up for that kind of long-term project < 1254345585 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and them I'm like fuck it, this is just dragging on < 1254345586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*then < 1254345588 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I < 1254345597 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't type "'", apparently. < 1254345601 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1254345653 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone use nethack-lisp directly, I wonder. < 1254345658 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, in a console, with the Lisp. < 1254345671 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been to the bottom of the Gehennom a couple of times, sort-of casually walking around. < 1254345697 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1254345700 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hey dudes, what's hanging?" < 1254345705 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm just here to mull about." < 1254345723 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it interesting that the owner of gehennom.org "doesn't really play". :P < 1254345755 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just had trouble inventing a sensible domain name to register. < 1254345779 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After all, I've been the owner of befunge.org too, and I don't really write befunge either. I mean, in a serious fashion. < 1254345785 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heikkikallasjoki.org sounds memorable and obvious to me! < 1254345800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You poor Swedes and your inability to name sanely anything after yourself. :P < 1254345802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1254345802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finns. < 1254345804 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to have a nethack-themed 404 page in gehennom.org, maybe that counts. < 1254345808 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did I type swedes. < 1254345827 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, sweden is finland. < 1254345828 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot. < 1254346009 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to have a ~/.nethackrc.console; I didn't know (or remember, anyway) that that sort of suffix notation existed. < 1254346049 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish nethack would remember my settings. < 1254346053 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1254346054 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :enigma < 1254346077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also. < 1254346079 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1254346079 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1254346244 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Experimental#4, bash yourself and the white ball into the portal < 1254346245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wheee < 1254346275 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should change the scroll mode, as it messes up actual testing < 1254346303 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... it has oxyds, right? < 1254346305 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it might be solvable < 1254346414 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't get at the ones behind the glass < 1254346419 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, wall < 1254346424 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, if it is glass (I can't remember) < 1254346428 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might be able to use a laser and mirrors < 1254346430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't there another stone to do that :) < 1254346463 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, make a stone into glass? < 1254346471 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, just to hit them < 1254346480 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :st_spitter < 1254346485 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I just had trouble inventing a sensible domain name to register. <-- you own "gehennom.org"? < 1254346488 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, hit the oxyds < 1254346493 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's powered by extralives but there's an extralife dispenser on there somewhere < 1254346497 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes. < 1254346500 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1254346505 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH, hitting at that range would be a pain < 1254346516 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used is as my "default domain" before registering this zem.fi thing. < 1254346532 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: would be pretty impressive to win the level, though < 1254346555 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1254346557 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : st_spitter <-- huh? Not in last release? < 1254346566 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders wtf Pentomino I is
< 1254346570 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 1.01 < 1254346574 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it is I think, I may have the name wrong though < 1254346575 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hopes windows 7 download works now
< 1254346576 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in 1.01 too < 1254346582 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although with a different animation < 1254346585 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well I might have 1.0 or so < 1254346589 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what does the object to < 1254346591 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do* < 1254346607 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you hit it and it shoots a cannonball < 1254346611 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which destroys floor and opens oxtds < 1254346614 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*oxyds < 1254346617 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how was http://gehennom.org/doc/knock/ generated? < 1254346618 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing so costs extralives < 1254346630 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :docbook, AnMaster < 1254346632 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they layout seems VERY VERY familiar < 1254346632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see the source < 1254346643 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the linux documentation project uses it and stuff. < 1254346651 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i think debian install guides < 1254346651 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1254346666 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1254346669 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's whitespace between those in HTML < 1254346671 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this can mess up CSS etc < 1254346675 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also preformatted stuff < 1254346675 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1254346679 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, generating html is a bitch < 1254346681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this makes it simpler < 1254346700 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no newlines at all? < 1254346712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's uglier, but easier. < 1254346716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again they don't indent < 1254346721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is pretty silly. < 1254346726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it *is* < 1254346739 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1254346743 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how was that correction? < 1254346747 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's done with DocBook. < 1254346751 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" so *it *is pretty silly." < 1254346754 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1254346758 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: * starts a correction. < 1254346768 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, both usages are common < 1254346770 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use levenshtein distance or something to find out what to correct ;P < 1254346772 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*:P < 1254346777 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what, just typing the correction? < 1254346781 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see < 1254346782 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ending with * < 1254346783 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1254346784 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's not < 1254346784 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yeah < 1254346786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only you use that in here < 1254346787 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is < 1254346789 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe swedes do it a lot < 1254346792 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but definitely not on english irc < 1254346793 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well I mean overall on irc < 1254346798 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in English channels < 1254346798 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Page closed" < 1254346799 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too < 1254346812 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but not english natives presumably < 1254346812 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never seen anyone use it but you < 1254346813 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not as much on freenode < 1254346913 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Espirit#13 makes me want to make a level where if you move right once, it solves itself < 1254346913 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is really hard otherwise < 1254346950 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still possible? < 1254346954 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1254346957 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better still, the self-solution should be slower than the hard one < 1254346961 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a real pain to maneuver < 1254346983 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: agreed, although that destroys the beauty of "par 2:47, record 0:07" < 1254347003 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I see what you mean < 1254347024 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it'd be full of it trying to move against you, so naturally if you went right and started to move you'd resist < 1254347027 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could do that simply with a massive dexterity-trick at the start, but disguising that would be more tricky < 1254347030 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it would be quite hard to find < 1254347078 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : yes, but not english natives presumably <-- one of them is admittedly an Australian... < 1254347089 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhh snap < 1254347096 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was actually a good one :/ < 1254347120 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : you could do that simply with a massive dexterity-trick at the start, but disguising that would be more tricky < 1254347122 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by this, btw? < 1254347129 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something that's very hard to do < 1254347130 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it is always fun to poke fun at au English < 1254347132 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1254347137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1254347141 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by moving the mouse a certain way < 1254347142 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does it disguise what < 1254347152 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea would be you could skip a portion of the level by doing something crazy at the start < 1254347157 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that that would be hard to disguise < 1254347160 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as anything other than what it was < 1254347207 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if anyone has noticed a cheat in 0.92-1#46
< 1254347220 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you? < 1254347224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1254347251 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly not, that's a weird level to want to look for shortcuts in < 1254347264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get all oxyds but one, kill yourself, hit the last one < 1254347278 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's not considered cheating, it's a standard technique < 1254347287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it means you can get 0:01 < 1254347314 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does the bottom left timer not reflect total time? < 1254347341 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :killing yourself has a delay of a bit over a second < 1254347347 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in both realtime and timer time (which is meant to be the same) < 1254347357 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is an exploit on timer time, it involves holding down ESC < 1254347381 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it isn't useful in most levels < 1254347381 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the world record is 0:06 < 1254347386 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can get like 0:03 < 1254347386 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only those that look at the realtime clock for some reason < 1254347400 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, why would you think you can get all oxyd-pairs but one? < 1254347412 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you're suggesting sounds like a legit way to get a world record < 1254347417 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could set a new record, if it worked < 1254347431 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hit every oxyd but one, kill yourself, dash to it < 1254347440 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can take as long as you want before killing yourself < 1254347444 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? < 1254347449 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :killing yourself doesn't reset the timer < 1254347450 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would it? < 1254347463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1254347465 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it did previously < 1254347469 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, possibly i lost all my lives the first time < 1254347469 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1254347473 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :resetting the level resets the timer < 1254347476 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which happens when you run out of lives < 1254347479 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1254347508 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dying without a level reset penalises you about 1 second by freezing your movements (leaving the level running), then you respawn with the timer at its current value < 1254347522 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some levels are set to reset whenever you die, in which case extralives are only useful for blocking lasers < 1254347537 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finding out whether that setting's on or off is one of the first things I do on a level < 1254347547 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that I don't know about < 1254347550 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by experiment) < 1254347590 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does 0.92-1#106 have to be so loud? < 1254347646 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, btw in http://imgur.com/6jeoK.png (just noticed that tab open) what the hell is up with the tiles < 1254347658 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about them < 1254347667 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they look like garbage text < 1254347667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which ones < 1254347670 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than the qt ones < 1254347673 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: beats me, what the hell is up with anything else there? < 1254347678 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what titles? < 1254347686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh tiles < 1254347688 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the showpet heart shows as a heart, so it is trying to do tiles a bit < 1254347689 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I never said titles < 1254347695 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though it's mostly broken ASCII by the look of it < 1254347706 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong charset < 1254347739 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, mine here looks like fairly sane small tiles < 1254347739 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than weird text < 1254347752 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :par of 0.92-1#126 is 15s, ridiculous < 1254347762 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: noticed the top of the window? < 1254347766 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole point is that it's broken for ais523 < 1254347796 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: noticed the top of the window? <-- you mean those overlapping "titles"? < 1254347799 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1254347806 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that happens here too at default font size < 1254348060 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh why "IANALAIDPOOTV". Supposedly it means "I Am Not A Lawyer And I Don't Play One On TV" but I don't get the joke about the TV bit... < 1254348096 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, Ana, Laid Poo TV. < 1254348141 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...? < 1254348141 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, anal aid, poot the fifth. < 1254348182 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so should I interpret this as no one having a clue what the joke is? < 1254348197 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interpret it how you want, but I'll say one thing and that's whoosh. < 1254348229 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's not much point in whooshing people who know a joke exists but don't get it, and say so < 1254348233 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what has laywers in some film got to do with anything < 1254348240 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yeah < 1254348241 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like saying "You say you know a joke exists but you don't get it? well, you don't get it!" < 1254348242 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You amuse me AnMaster. < 1254348249 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: he could have used google < 1254348251 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know you're alien to this concept. < 1254348252 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you amuse me ehird, in that particular line < 1254348268 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I *googled* for this "IANALAIDPOOTV" which is why I found out what it meant < 1254348274 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I was unable go get further < 1254348281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. < 1254348299 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a reference to a joke. < 1254348302 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, do you get the joke? If so could you please help. < 1254348309 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, what one? < 1254348315 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't < 1254348326 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION twiddles thumbs
< 1254348327 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: google for "but I play one on TV" < 1254348337 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT < 1254348339 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a shocking idea < 1254348339 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waits for ehird to say "woosh" at ais523
< 1254348345 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can you ever have thought of that, lament. < 1254348347 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you misspelt "whoosh" < 1254348363 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, ok. didn't know that was the original joke < 1254348384 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I did try "And I Don't Play One On TV" too < 1254348430 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in your defense, neither the original joke nor the "AIDPOOTV" come-back are funny < 1254348440 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :funniness is totally unrelated to recognition < 1254348444 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's hard to understand what they're about < 1254348523 0 :gergely!n=gergely@183-111-147.ip.adsl.hu JOIN :#esoteric < 1254348535 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" funniness is totally unrelated to recognition" <-- and how would one recognise those if one had no clue what to recognise? < 1254348535 0 :gergely!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1254348554 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you clearly had some clue because you asked < 1254348606 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, deduction by logic: It didn't make sense if it wasn't a reference or joke. < 1254348619 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I had no clue *what* reference or *what* joke < 1254348698 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's makes about as much sense as me attacking you for not being able to recognise a 5 second piece of music as (for example): Hadyn, early period < 1254348727 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster is offended! < 1254348737 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, um no? < 1254348748 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irritated yes, offended no < 1254349849 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254349851 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1254352092 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7.0G windows7.vdi < 1254352107 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a clean install "rebooting from install" < 1254352117 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny? yes < 1254352390 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1254352667 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1254353142 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1254353360 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it hit 7.1 GB before desktop showed up < 1254353813 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The article failed to mention his enthusiastic support of nuclear power and how he is going to be meeting with world leaders to get more nuclear plants purchased and built. Essentially, he'll be hawking radiation." < 1254353854 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, who? < 1254353867 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stephen Hawking. (Also, that quote was a joke) < 1254353870 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.fark.com/cgi/comments.pl?IDLink=4668974 < 1254353893 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1254353935 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well to be hawking radiation you first have to jump into a black hole < 1254353988 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought, to be hawking radiation you first have to spontaneously appear from vacuum just outside of a black hole? < 1254354166 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1254354303 0 :jix!n=jix@dyndsl-095-033-067-069.ewe-ip-backbone.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1254354306 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1254354322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 7.0G windows7.vdi < 1254354322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : that is a clean install "rebooting from install" < 1254354322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : funny? yes < 1254354325 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's funny < 1254354882 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: i am using be in the "become" sense here < 1254354972 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also, jumping into vs. turning into radiation just outside are just different ways of looking at the same phenomenon, iiuc < 1254355028 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since for example time dilation at the horizon w.r.t. the outside universe is infinite < 1254355152 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so actually jumping into a black hole you'd just die due to being ripped apart, correct? < 1254355157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really know anything about black holes < 1254355175 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yes :( < 1254355188 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, say you had a pod you could put around you, God gave it to you < 1254355195 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it stops you being ripped apart, the laws of physics be damned < 1254355198 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I jump into a black hole