< 1254614408 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yeah I was just wondering if that is what you was going "??" about < 1254614409 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact < 1254614419 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why you were responding about that topic when my quote was about the bad writing. < 1254614432 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not < 1254614447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because ... I already know < 1254614450 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/$/?/ < 1254614459 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how should I know you know < 1254614468 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I quoted from the article about it? < 1254614486 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, didn't know if it was *all* that shoddy writing < 1254614489 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just that part < 1254614493 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, are you sure that "tree" is not vandalism? < 1254614498 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION checks
< 1254614503 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's a forest analoy < 1254614507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*analogy < 1254614514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See later in the article < 1254614517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except it kinda leaves out the steps of reasoning < 1254614546 0 :jix_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1254614925 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, I had possibly the worst or best idea ever, probably worst < 1254614963 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also less hyperbolic, BUT.) < 1254615105 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very elliptic summary < 1254615111 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hur hur < 1254615113 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1254615387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd tell it but nobody's asking :D < 1254615445 0 :oklofog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do < 1254615464 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever played enigma < 1254615621 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofog < 1254615693 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I have. And I'm wondering too < 1254615698 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and iirc oklofog has < 1254615729 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has never played enigma, so clearly he cannot be wondering
< 1254615731 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3d enigma < 1254615739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :third-person naturally... < 1254615758 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a true extension of enigma to 3d would allow arbitrary movement on the z-axis, but that's more boring than having gravity) < 1254615762 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry but it sounds kind of "neither best or worst" < 1254615766 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3d, 3p, what's the difference < 1254615781 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: thus "also less hyperbolic" :P < 1254615789 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it'd be fun if pulled off right < 1254615792 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it'd be easy to get it wrong < 1254615796 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, indeed < 1254615802 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like possibly great < 1254615813 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :camera movement would be a pain < 1254615821 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not with Sufficiently Smart Coding(TM) < 1254615846 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird yeah you might need to have special casing on some levels for where to move the camera < 1254615853 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1254615856 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like many commercial games < 1254615890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think it'd be best to have fps-style movement; turn around with mouse and a key for forwards < 1254615900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moving your mouse up and repositioning constantly to go forwards would be a pain < 1254615902 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1254615905 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1254615912 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, a bit hard to move as fast though < 1254615915 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no keys for strafe left/right or go backwards; that'd be un-enigmalike) < 1254615922 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: hmm... good point < 1254615933 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, it'd be a matter of experimentation to find out something good < 1254615948 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, on the other hand you could make levels that are more fit to the speed you can manage that way < 1254615954 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if there should be a jump key or whether that should be an item like in Enigma
< 1254615961 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, obviously the same type of levels wouldn't work < 1254615964 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1254615975 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3d chess pieces :D < 1254615982 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah why not < 1254615988 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, they move up and down too < 1254615997 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to hit them the right way to position them so you can jump on them as platforms to get higher < 1254616007 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nice < 1254616009 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, making a sort of staircase < 1254616022 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, a bit hard to stand on a round chess piece < 1254616035 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they aren't round in enigma, they're square < 1254616044 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess the 3d thing would be harder, though < 1254616052 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you are on ubuntu right? Install the game "kiki the nanobot" quite a fun puzzle game in 3D < 1254616060 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kay < 1254616075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nano bot; didn't find it because of that < 1254616085 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with optional 1P/3P camera < 1254616092 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I'd have a temptation to code this, but OpenGL is a bitch :( < 1254616103 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man < 1254616107 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 3d meditation < 1254616111 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be horrific < 1254616112 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first levels are easy, gets very hard later on < 1254616123 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ouch yeah < 1254616184 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know those huge levels like VI#100, The Aztec Temple? < 1254616193 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those would be, like, city-sized :D < 1254616197 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yeah never managed that < 1254616225 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, tried the game I mentioned? < 1254616229 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just installed now < 1254616231 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1254616239 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... mouse-to-turn-and-key-to-go-forwards would be odd without first-person view < 1254616246 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and first-person view isn't conductive to puzzles or whatnot) < 1254616259 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hint: gravity exists, but where down is is up to you < 1254616262 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in kiki) < 1254616266 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O < 1254616277 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, about my comment? < 1254616278 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh it fiddled with my gamma settings < 1254616279 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1254616291 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it did? < 1254616293 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1254616296 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah set it to 5 < 1254616301 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't here < 1254616352 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the camera makes me dizzy < 1254616361 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, change the camera mode < 1254616364 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1254616365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pgdown or pgup iirc < 1254616373 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, third-person-always-face-robot is good < 1254616381 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's this thing about gravity < 1254616393 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god < 1254616396 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can move onto walls :D < 1254616400 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes < 1254616406 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :things fall, you do if you jump < 1254616408 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then jump :D < 1254616412 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and move wall < 1254616413 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but where down is depends on where your down is < 1254616414 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mid-air < 1254616414 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where do I find this thingy? < 1254616418 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ubuntu packages < 1254616424 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, package is "kiki" iirc < 1254616426 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://kiki.sourceforge.net/ < 1254616428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he uses arch < 1254616432 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah good < 1254616436 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use kubuntu < 1254616437 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably in debian too < 1254616440 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1254616443 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kiki - tool for python regular expression testing < 1254616451 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nop < 1254616455 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And http://kiki.sourceforge.net/download/index.html says Mac and Windows version ._. < 1254616465 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, um it is in ubuntu < 1254616466 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sourceforge.net/projects/kiki/ < 1254616468 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will have source < 1254616470 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably < 1254616471 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway how do you like the game? < 1254616476 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't got the first level right < 1254616478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yet < 1254616479 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not right < 1254616489 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, quite trivial first one < 1254616503 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1254616518 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, in fact the first few levels are just about learning concepts of the game < 1254616543 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is help available somewhere < 1254616545 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for each level < 1254616548 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the menu iirc < 1254616610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it often looks like kiki is levitating above the floor. < 1254616619 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? haven't noticed < 1254616702 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how on earth do you do #3, I've moved the block, what do I shoot < 1254616717 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err sec < 1254616727 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :laptop is rebooting atm < 1254616734 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, here we go < 1254616748 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it froze < 1254616749 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION toys around with sources.list
< 1254616753 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it did? < 1254616756 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1254616761 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never had that problem < 1254616768 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xkill zzzap < 1254616788 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, yeah, it changes the gamma when it's the active window... :\ < 1254616809 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :change gamma in settings < 1254616811 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it looks best at default < 1254616821 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok move the block one square off < 1254616825 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it froze again < 1254616831 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crappily-written. < 1254616842 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then up on that block turn around so you face the switch that was hidden < 1254616845 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shoot it < 1254616849 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay i shot it < 1254616887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, also it never froze for me < 1254616891 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I blame your drivers < 1254616894 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ATI wasn't it? < 1254616899 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :open source ATI even < 1254616930 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but i doubt it's that < 1254616938 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it never froze = i never ran into that code path < 1254616963 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the controls are so confusing :( < 1254616965 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok the gamma changing I see now < 1254616980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a pitty it messes up that I have different gamma set for blue < 1254616996 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how are the controls confusing? work fine for me < 1254617037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cannot figure out #4 :(
< 1254617084 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, push around the generator and the gear < 1254617087 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they line up < 1254617090 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see the help < 1254617099 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the help doesn't tell me that. < 1254617103 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and generator needs to be connected to the gird < 1254617116 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the they need to be connected to the engine of course < 1254617120 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, pretty obvious < 1254617124 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not < 1254617125 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to anyone with half a brain < 1254617130 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you too < 1254617161 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"to activate the exit, feed it with electricity: connect the generator with the motor" < 1254617162 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1254617165 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it didn't say < 1254617187 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cogs are together with the motor but it isn't doing anything, anyway < 1254617215 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, are the generator is on the gird bit and turning? < 1254617222 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the generator is unmovabel < 1254617224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*unmovable < 1254617234 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, um that is the engine that is < 1254617238 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the middle < 1254617241 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't move it. < 1254617242 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the generator is one of the other parts < 1254617246 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1254617249 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean the blocks? < 1254617260 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I have to connect all of those? < 1254617284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice busywork. yay, i just pushed one into a corner and now I can't move it < 1254617334 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not the blocks, there is gears and gears with something below < 1254617334 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok lets see the movements...left, forward, left, forward, left, left, backwards, jump forwards... < 1254617334 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are now on the floor < 1254617343 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :left, left, shift + fwd, shift + fwd < 1254617347 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :left < 1254617356 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwd, right, fwd < 1254617362 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, elevate.. < 1254617366 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on for every other block? < 1254617367 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, shift+fwd < 1254617377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just fwd < 1254617380 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just fwd < 1254617384 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just fwd < 1254617385 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just fwd < 1254617400 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the other gears should be just behind you? < 1254617401 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1254617405 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless I miscounted < 1254617415 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, following your instructions "you are now on the floor" is false :P < 1254617429 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, must have made a mistake, worked for me though < 1254617446 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, true/false: you have to put all the blocks on the dots < 1254617447 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh I probably mixed up left and right < 1254617449 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one by one < 1254617453 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, false < 1254617457 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bit is < 1254617458 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1254617463 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the dots on the floor are the gird < 1254617467 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1254617471 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the blocks aren't on it < 1254617475 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the engine needs to be next to the gear on it < 1254617492 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... I'll try it later when I'm not so confused, I think :P < 1254617498 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1254617507 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the generator must be next to the gear AND on those dots < 1254617542 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1254617548 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm starting to get #4 < 1254617551 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, sec for screenshot < 1254617567 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: the turning is a bitch < 1254617575 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, #4 is the one i was on < 1254617579 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case understanding the thing is a bitch < 1254617588 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1254617659 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1254617666 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stuff happened when you shot the yellow stuff < 1254617673 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION didn't notice at first
< 1254617675 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm don't you mean #3 < 1254617681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1254617682 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1254617683 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1254617702 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, http://omploader.org/vMmg0YQ < 1254617704 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that helpful? < 1254617725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1254617725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1254617739 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, half a brain comment applies I think < 1254617753 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're an asshole < 1254617767 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, howcome yours has colours. < 1254617780 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, eh? doesn't your? all levels have colours here < 1254617790 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and yes the blue is from "activating" < 1254617791 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the level is grey here, with teal as the colour of the cogs < 1254617794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1254617796 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess cause it's on :P < 1254617815 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, as least one level had ever-shifting colour < 1254617851 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you do if an item is against a wall < 1254617892 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay onto elevate < 1254617906 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :another damn generator x_x < 1254617910 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, from the start or not? < 1254617910 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, sometimes you can drop it < 1254617911 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from another direction < 1254617917 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, easy now < 1254617921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :drop? < 1254617929 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also easy now why < 1254617932 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand < 1254617945 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, shoot the yellow rotating things < 1254617949 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are bombs < 1254617967 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still a generator :P < 1254617974 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, the next one isn't a generator level :P < 1254617975 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now move up onto the ceiling and move them < 1254617994 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, you mean throw? well that is the "drop" stuff < 1254617996 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite a pain < 1254618005 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he didn't say anything < 1254618006 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :took me several minutes to figure it out < 1254618014 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I haven't grasped that one yet anyway < 1254618022 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yeah, Throw is it < 1254618023 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, I fail to remember how. < 1254618024 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i aligned the fucking cogs wrong < 1254618024 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aargh < 1254618033 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd have to move them individually < 1254618041 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to have them align="right", you know < 1254618042 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it is easy < 1254618057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hold a mouse button and move the mouse < 1254618057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1254618059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wtf < 1254618063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, etc is one off from wtf < 1254618070 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh camera movement < 1254618074 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, eh? I use the arrow keys? < 1254618074 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :goes weird i you're in first-person < 1254618075 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to move < 1254618090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow why is it going all slow now < 1254618105 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :buggy game :| < 1254618113 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not for me < 1254618116 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1254618120 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, for the rop thingy.. Do I have to use anything except space, ctrl or shift? < 1254618124 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rop? < 1254618128 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :drop* < 1254618151 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, you need the arrow keys too. But never space. If it is still "throw" < 1254618159 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still throw. < 1254618168 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, ctrl, shift and arrow keys < 1254618168 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, yeah, the arrow keys, I forgot those :P < 1254618178 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I meant is, there's no special key I've missed? < 1254618178 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1254618181 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :space is shoot < 1254618182 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, the key is that thing on the wall < 1254618190 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm < 1254618193 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least for me < 1254618195 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not throw < 1254618199 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and moving those blocks so you can drop < 1254618202 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, "throw" is a level < 1254618208 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is quite a pain < 1254618209 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1254618298 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION spins around in a 1x1x1 box in first-person view
< 1254618345 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, basically you have to move the two blocks next to the fixed one, then use that to stand on the side of another and drop it in some unexpected direction. < 1254618373 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there was a help thingy < 1254618378 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I missed that :P < 1254618421 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1254618525 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :taking screenshots < 1254618543 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd rather think about it than just looking up the solution < 1254618726 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gold... < 1254618749 0 :adam_d!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1254618795 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1254618799 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1254618805 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong keyboard < 1254618897 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All right, for now I'm stuck on Jump... interesting game, though < 1254618899 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time to sleep < 1254618901 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Night < 1254618905 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1254618921 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1254618925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :screenshots for ehird on throw in the pipeline < 1254618950 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a total of eight < 1254618967 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1254618972 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why? < 1254618980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am royalty and I demand screenshots! :P < 1254618983 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the first tricky level < 1254618999 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the first 4 are dead easy < 1254619011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on elevate < 1254619017 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's after 4, I think < 1254619030 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok the first *five* are dead easy < 1254619141 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://omploader.org/vMmg0ZQ http://omploader.org/vMmg0Zg http://omploader.org/vMmg0Zw http://omploader.org/vMmg0aA http://omploader.org/vMmg0aQ http://omploader.org/vMmg0ag http://omploader.org/vMmg0aw < 1254619155 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and I'm not going to help more than I did with elevate < 1254619189 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, btw the thing in the lower left corner? see it? < 1254619193 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1254619203 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the thing in parens a par time, btw? < 1254619205 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're so low. < 1254619211 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes similar < 1254619217 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always get minus numbers. < 1254619220 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first is number of moves < 1254619232 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not "par" but "almost best" < 1254619246 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I got a few at 0, two at plus, and rest at minus < 1254619273 0 :oklopol!n=oklopol@a91-153-117-63.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1254619361 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oklo < 1254619362 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1254619364 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol < 1254619855 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, look at those pics if you need it. Since I know by now you have less than half a brain and that level requires at least 78% brain + a long attention span. < 1254619857 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1254619905 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: are you trying to be an asshole with no provocation or have you had a brain tumor < 1254620294 0 :oklofog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1254621149 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1254621473 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi coppro < 1254621492 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1254621702 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1254621816 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did You Know... < 1254621823 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...that GNOME used to use Midnight Commander as its file browser? < 1254621840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[X] Show tips at random times < 1254621841 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ Previous ] [ Next ] [ Close ] < 1254621906 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, did you ever get DS working on 95? Also, I'm now interested in Dwarf Fortress, and wonder if that works < 1254621935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a) Never got it re-downloaded. (b) Doesn't that require POSIX? < 1254621964 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1254621970 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Requires Windows 98+", but I'll give it a go. < 1254621999 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :95 OSE1 is basically 98 sans the IE stuff, so the number of things requiring 98 instead is stupid. < 1254622014 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like multiple-choice questions? (a) No, they are overdone (b) No, the right option is usually missing (c) No, they are all based on the questioner's prejudices anyhow < 1254622016 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll install 98lite (Windows 98 installer that rips out IE and adds the 95 file manager). < 1254622024 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: d < 1254622069 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be "all of the above", i assume < 1254622097 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without IE, how do you install a better browser? < 1254622134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Floppy disk, CD-ROM or the command-line "ftp". < 1254622155 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, pigeons < 1254622170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the nice thing is that you can even delete mshtml.dll at the cost of not being able to open .chm help files; your system will be totally without any of IE's "OS-integrated" (cough cough) components. < 1254622177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's more than just mshtml.dll iirc, but whatever. < 1254622217 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was an option on the many-floppy installer; by the CD installer (OSR1) it was required. I believe you can upgrade from the original floppy version to OSR1 to bypass that. < 1254622245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either that, or use IEradicator from the people who brought you 98. < 1254622247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1254622249 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :98lite < 1254622299 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION extracts Dwarf Fortress to c:\dwarves, since the URL is /dwarves/.
< 1254622320 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to get my Win98 iso onto my laptop at some point < 1254622320 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I assume this game is closed source? < 1254622326 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nooo! < 1254622330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turn to the light! Pirate 95! < 1254622350 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I believe so, although I saw something involving the graphics parts being opened up for SDL < 1254622363 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, because it tries to run KERNEL32.DLL:IsDebuggerPresent. < 1254622381 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DRM: breaking your games on older OSs since You Are Retarded, It Doesn't Fucking Stop Piracy AD. :P < 1254622405 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would Windows get to know if a debugger is present? < 1254622416 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure. < 1254622432 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think because you have to tell the kernel to step the program, or something. < 1254622441 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise, you have to emulate all of Windows which is, uhh, "fun". < 1254622488 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :query: how do you debug DRM software? < 1254622509 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Badly; that's why they break so much shit. < 1254622534 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the whole point is to complain when you detect a debugger < 1254622670 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compile without #define DRM ? < 1254622680 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :debugging the drm < 1254622681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he means < 1254622685 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they sell products for it nowadays) < 1254622761 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1254622761 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, if a DRM product is based on disallowing debugging, and you sell a product to bypass that, aren't you breaking some law? >:) < 1254622790 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: In the United Stupids of America, I believe you would be < 1254622823 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :United Stupids of America? I do believe your intellect surpasses that of those who say Micro$haft! < 1254624057 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That IsDebuggerPresent sounds like useful API for malware. But not as good as CreateRemoteThread. < 1254624145 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that actually work? < 1254624154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, malware uses it IIRC < 1254624158 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can bypass it, obviously < 1254624220 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd do it with a disassembler, but the lazy. < 1254624251 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I think it's IsDebugEnabled. < 1254624265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, no. < 1254624270 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Silly me < 1254624272 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I typed isdebuggerenabled < 1254624277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google said did you mean isdebugenabled < 1254624279 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reason CreateRemoteThread is useful in malware is that it can be used to inject threads which lock files or do anti-deinstallation tricks into necressary programs. < 1254624292 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, creates a thread in another program? < 1254624304 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember reading an interview with Matt Knox about writing Windows malware; very interesting. < 1254624306 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Create thread in another process. < 1254624311 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They used that, and had no actual executable. < 1254624331 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Competing malware tries to remove it, and they have to hide from anti-malware programs while removing other malware.) < 1254624366 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, apparently VS2005 adds IsDebuggerPresent. < 1254624419 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Part of the runtime, it seems. < 1254624424 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there an unlinker, I wonder? < 1254624432 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose not. < 1254624454 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux kernel does not support anything like CreateRemoteThread. All created threads are local to process that created them. < 1254624459 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know; so? < 1254624468 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the revelation there "Linux is stabler than Windows"? :P < 1254624486 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, VC2005 CRT has IsDebuggerPresent. Sigh. < 1254624499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try to erase it by first finding where it is with OllyDbg. < 1254624558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate single-executable-with-no-installer programs; where am I supposed to put that? I guess in c:\foo\foo.exe, but still, what a waste of a folder! < 1254624589 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux btw has way to discover if process is being ptraced (the signal anomalies and from /proc//status). < 1254624677 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit, OllyDbg can't even start the executable due to the linker error. < 1254624700 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I give up. < 1254624758 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UML in single kernel address space mode probably can't be discovered by either. It has its own /proc//status, and it the signal behaviour shouldn't have anomalies. < 1254624966 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No flag to link it anyway (ld has such flag, executable will crash if it calls undefined function). < 1254625122 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, apparently if you just s/IsDebuggePresent/GetCurrentProcess/ you can run things :D < 1254625154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WordPad refuses to open .exes, hmph. < 1254625167 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XVI32, here I come./ < 1254625169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*come. < 1254625257 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here we go; it's just text. Tap tap tap. < 1254625267 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't want to use WordPad anyway, since text mode on Windows changes stuff < 1254625270 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(GetCurrentProcess has the same number of letters and I guess has no arguments too.) < 1254625272 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: true. < 1254625313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it wants USER32.DLL:TrackMouseEvent < 1254625316 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you sure you spelled IsDebuggePresent correctly? < 1254625325 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IsDebuggerPresent, sorry. :P < 1254625334 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That changes the length, though < 1254625343 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, people said it works. < 1254625345 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, an article about it and Windows 95. < 1254625349 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(TrackMouseEvent) < 1254625387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IsDebuggerPresent < 1254625389 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GetCurrentProcess < 1254625393 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: same letters < 1254625401 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok < 1254625439 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, IE3 provides TrackMouseEvent. < 1254625468 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a quick hack implementation for some uses of it; does anyone know if you can tell a Windows process to get a function in a DLL from another? < 1254625471 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't suppose so... < 1254625647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cba to find a win32 api function with TrackMouseEvent's letters < 1254625650 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google Street View has a VERY thick arrow pointing in the direction I want to go < 1254625675 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: link me to a DS that actually works this time plz < 1254625678 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, again < 1254625703 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :None of the links on http://www.gamewaredevelopment.co.uk/ds/ds_more.php?id=552_0_16_0_C work? < 1254625713 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so hard to find out which ones do! :P < 1254625716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the pcworld one work < 1254625789 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like it < 1254625809 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's giving me a ds.zip < 1254625828 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes Seamonkey crash. < 1254625836 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Direct link? < 1254625842 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Preferably tinyurl'd... < 1254625845 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No copypaste ;P < 1254625846 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*:P < 1254625913 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://downloads.pcworld.com/pub/new/fun_and_games/simulation/ds.zip = http://bit.ly/Ft26m < 1254625951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ft26m: transgender, female to twenty-six males < 1254625962 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1254626028 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This arrow on Google Street View is hilarious < 1254626035 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :link < 1254626044 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, don't feel like giving away where I live < 1254626046 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would that be transcloning < 1254626056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 Orchard Terrace, Hexham, England < 1254626059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RAPE ME, PEDOPHILES! < 1254626064 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can catch me; we're moving. < 1254626081 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hold on, I can screenshot and omit sensitive details < 1254626084 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes that DS has a file \cdtastic
< 1254626107 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: do you actually think posting your address on the internet would have consequences < 1254626120 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My friend's address is also on there < 1254626133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ooh, *two* people to rape! < 1254626143 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: depends how much he pisses someone off, don't you think? < 1254626143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sneaky peer, always jumping into other people's networks. < 1254626147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He might disconnect you, you know. < 1254626150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1254626152 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*people's messages < 1254626163 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :peer, du lyver < 1254626173 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION clicks InstallBlast. Linked to missing export WININET.DLL:InternetAutodial.
< 1254626175 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blast! < 1254626203 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does that function seem little "hinky"? < 1254626217 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Windows; the function names aren't going to make sense. < 1254626253 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides, Docking Station *is* kinda internet-based; there's not much more it could spy on using weird functions, since it has all my game data and thus a permanent net connection while it's running. < 1254626263 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a function to autodial so that you can win an internet < 1254626281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, my wininet is circa-1996 and has 4 as the major version; it is probably from the IE 4 I installed. < 1254626298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So...?! < 1254626300 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, "Zipped". < 1254626304 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I can skip the installer. < 1254626323 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1254626325 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa. < 1254626335 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ds\zipped\DS.zip is the root zip. < 1254626362 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although with a different directory in the zip, and without the zip itself. < 1254626363 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw. < 1254626364 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Aww. < 1254626385 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/bG9dd.png < 1254626399 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww, waw < 1254626399 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is that amusing < 1254626409 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, jesus, you use Luna? < 1254626411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my eeeeeeeeeeeyes < 1254626429 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(lol@the 98lite google :-P) < 1254626445 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always compulsively blank my google search fields after use < 1254626447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It annoys me < 1254626456 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey me too < 1254626459 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1254626467 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a firefox extension that automatically does it, but I don't use firefox at all < 1254626479 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least it isn't "Hot Dog Stand". :-> < 1254626496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :another thing I do is press del at the end of lines, a lot, just because I'm afraid there's a redundant space there < 1254626510 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: get an editor that can highlight trailing space < 1254626519 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And assign it to every text field in the system? < 1254626524 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Splendidly functional idea, coppro! < 1254626528 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wishes there was a browser with the awesomeness of firefox without the suckiness
< 1254626535 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firefox has awesomeness? < 1254626545 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the extensions written for it < 1254626564 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: are all the files in the DS installer meant to be bzipped? < 1254626568 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, in its directory < 1254626573 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I do not know < 1254626578 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the #1 suckiness is the complete inability to look good in KDE < 1254626581 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: most of them suck, the ones that don't are just bugixes to make firefox suck less :P < 1254626586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: does yours? < 1254626592 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: feature < 1254626599 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1254626601 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: disagree! < 1254626601 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I mean, from a non-pc world source presumably < 1254626605 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in that order < 1254626629 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it's been a very long time since I touched DS, and even longer since I last installed it < 1254626633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: you're wrong! also, a child molester. in fact, all KDE users are child molesters: they cause me great life-long emotional trauma, and I am a child. < 1254626638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCIENCE! < 1254626656 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now, a Moment of Science. < 1254626663 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome, they should do that. < 1254626673 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do < 1254626694 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i thought it was a pun on a moment of silence < 1254626699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1254626699 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is < 1254626701 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1254626706 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am happy < 1254626718 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google Street View doesn't have an image, and I can't move past this turnstile or whatever it's called without it < 1254626718 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION recalls learning that in spanish, molestar means just "disturb" or "bother". on the other hand, embarazada means pregnant.
< 1254626756 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so don't use street view < 1254626756 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it's just taking me in a circle that a car would follow, I'll ignore it < 1254626767 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the Ig Nobel prize ceremony, every now and then they have a Nobel laureate come out and announce a Moment of Science. Everyone shuts up and then some guys come on and do some random wordless demonstration, then leave. < 1254626784 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. I googled and found http://indianapublicmedia.org/amomentofscience/. < 1254626817 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are the Ig Nobels on YouTube? < 1254626828 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly < 1254626888 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1254626890 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :internetautodial < 1254626896 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"causes the modem to automatically dial the default internet connection" < 1254626896 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1254626902 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :won't be needing that... < 1254626927 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah, it's in IE4 or later; guess my uninstall wiped its DLLs. sigh... < 1254626966 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone know a wininet function with as many letters as InternetAutodial, taking a DWORD and an HWND and always returning true? < 1254626968 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thought not. :P < 1254626993 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: make one? < 1254627007 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, I can't exactly add my own functions to WinInet.dll. < 1254627010 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't Windows have some equivalent of LD_PRELOAD? :D < 1254627013 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because, you know, I don't have the source. < 1254627022 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Functions are referenced in the header thing by the DLL they're in. < 1254627029 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if they are in the actual code. < 1254627050 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could edit the DLL name in the header, I guess. < 1254627053 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And make my own. < 1254627142 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, the Truly Broken DLL Model < 1254627159 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually it works fine unless you have the wrong versions of stuff, but that will break anyway. < 1254627320 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you can't install IE4, make a copy of the DLL, and uninstall? < 1254627380 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I installed IE 4 earlier but wiped it totally. < 1254627395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could extract it from a cab, but ffff. < 1254627445 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: any model where all the lbraries are shipped with every application is, in my opinion, Truly Broken < 1254627491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um. That's good, because Windows doesn't do that. < 1254627503 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it does < 1254627544 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it doesn't. Incidentally, Plan 9 does that. http://www.plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/why_static/ Maybe you shouldn't be so dismissive. < 1254627615 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows applications ship all the non-system DLLs they use and store them independently. It's like static linking, except allows them to update individual libraries without having to update the whole thing < 1254627633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Untrue, e.g. Gecko installs separately at least with my SeaMonkey. < 1254627649 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is commonly done because it works better in practice; DLL hell nowadays is completely unheard of. < 1254627657 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See http://www.plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/why_static/ for why the general idea is pretty good. < 1254627808 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, maybe I'm just spoiled by the way Linux distros have their own libraries but that are standard to every program on the system < 1254627888 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll http://www.plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/why_static/ link this a http://www.plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/why_static/ few more times because http://www.plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/why_static/ you don't seem to have read it. Dynamic linking breaks more than it solves. < 1254627986 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1254628004 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roflmao. < 1254628015 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are all sorts of good reasons to use static linking, but that doesn't make dynamic linking inherently wrong < 1254628036 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never said it was. < 1254628041 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1254628042 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said it breaks more than it solves, which is universally true in practice. < 1254628059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least IME, and the experience of several othes. < 1254628062 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*others < 1254628083 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if you could design a way to combine the benefits of static and dynamic libraries < 1254628090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And the memory/disk argument is bunk when you look at how many bloated libraries today's applications use... with static linking of a less bloated library set, applications would be tiny!) < 1254628114 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, statically link programs, but design a way by which memory could be shared and oh god you're completely right about that < 1254628144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right enough to interrupt your sentence! < 1254628145 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1254628189 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but like, if the OS could detect shared functions, and put them in the same segment. < 1254628220 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that it doesn't load multiple instances of the exact same function into memory < 1254628291 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only helpful on embedded devices, and they don't really have such infrastructure... one, what if the application patches the function? Two, yeah, that's save maybe a few megabytes, tops, on any system sane enough to use such a scheme and avoid dynamic libraries (i.e., almost certainly having lightweight libraries). < 1254628305 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise it's just added complexity that could break things, which is almost never a good thing to add. < 1254628313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But sure, that'd be acceptable. < 1254628333 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I was thinking to use a hash so that if the function is patched, it isn't merged. I know it isn't fallible, stop arguing with my brilliant ideas! < 1254628340 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*is fallible < 1254628359 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you could patch it after it's merged. < 1254628371 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or if it's delayed, swapping that pointer on the application is reaaaaaaally going to confuse it.) < 1254628379 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, because that would affect the other running function. < 1254628396 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, so it'll crash and burn. < 1254628404 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is bad. < 1254628446 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1254628455 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so just not merging the function with other running instances sounds saner < 1254628470 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, we have that solution and it's called static linking :-P < 1254628490 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copy-on-write < 1254628493 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I admit it isn't the height of elegance or anything, but then neither is the idea of libraries and operating systems and and and. < 1254628508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Would involve changing the pointer to the function as the application runs. < 1254628509 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how is that applicable? < 1254628520 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other words... CRASH! < 1254628533 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops, it stored the old function pointer somewhere. Oops, your crazy code-patching failed. etc. < 1254628539 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um i thought that was done with virtual memory < 1254628549 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, hmm. < 1254628566 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That still uses up address space, although admittedly that's a *lot* less scarce on 64-bit architectures. < 1254628578 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it would require some serious magic and couldn't be done simply by the OS at runtime < 1254628591 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: so they're shared _unless_ one of the processes changes it < 1254628591 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? give each application its own pointer to the function < 1254628597 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1254628600 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pointing to the same real memory < 1254628602 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. < 1254628604 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtual memory < 1254628607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pointing to the same physical < 1254628611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when it changes it, remap the virtual memory < 1254628612 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, I was thinking pre-runtime changed functions < 1254628613 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to point to a copied version < 1254628617 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and modify it < 1254628619 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :voila < 1254628635 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, when a program links in a replacement function < 1254628639 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :self-modifying code should be banned anyways < 1254628655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not self-modifying code, it's fix-this-fucking-broken-library-code code. < 1254628661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, you are evil and hate fun. < 1254628664 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Self-modifying code is beautiful. < 1254628673 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. But it's worth banning < 1254628688 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it's not. < 1254628693 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, I like self-modifying code in principle. It just makes things so much more complicated :( < 1254628696 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, this is all a bunch of code doing a scary operation while code is running to save a few megs. < 1254628701 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't lisp or scheme or somesuch supposed to be good at self-modifying? < 1254628702 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So to hell with function-sharing. < 1254628706 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixing broken library code is usually done at compile time < 1254628711 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: They can't do that per se. Assembly is the best. < 1254628723 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With Lisp/Scheme you can't even get a function's source reliably, because they can be compiled. < 1254628731 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use macros, but that's compile-time, not self-modifying. < 1254628739 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What language was I vaguely thinking of? < 1254628746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you can use (eval) on code trees, but that's just because the homoiconicity helps. < 1254628749 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably Lisp, just misunderstanding it < 1254628753 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tunes? Even though that's not a language? < 1254628756 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do that in another language with strings, but it's more of a pain to manipulate the code. < 1254628762 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahh, TUNES is beautiful < 1254628767 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One, they host our logs < 1254628770 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lisp can seem self-modifying because of the dynamic scoping < 1254628780 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two, reflective self-modifying high-level kernel-less OS! yessssssssssssssss < 1254628795 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TUNES isn't nearly anywhere close to having actual functionality, is it? < 1254628795 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only they hadn't been dead for, like, over a decade. < 1254628799 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*haven't < 1254628815 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Not a single line of code, but they left behind much useful material. They are still, officially, going. < 1254628825 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think some things happened recently; maybe it'll start crawling again. < 1254628829 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it spun off a lot of projects. < 1254628838 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like some languages and stuff, Slate for instance. < 1254628840 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has nearly started dreaming of LLV
< 1254628842 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*LLVM < 1254628843 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe not that many, but still. < 1254629287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. < 1254629301 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. < 1254629312 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: thought on my Agora defense? < 1254629328 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gmail.com
< 1254629461 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbh, it sounds more desparate than something legally defensible, but then again, I'm not paying much attention < 1254629546 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's a chewbacca defense? :D < 1254629587 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are ehird and Murphy trying to exile ais523? < 1254629609 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of a contract scam < 1254629629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an evil scam < 1254629658 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mousetrapping, and then destroying the assets of all those who try to stop it < 1254629667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he shows no remorse for it < 1254629691 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't the assets be brought back via proposal? < 1254629696 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the exile would be for three months; I'd have preferred something in between a few rests and a three month exile, but the current punishment system doesn't offer that < 1254629698 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, what, exactly, was the mousetrap? < 1254629704 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read the archives < 1254629711 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: doesn't matter, it is still a bad thing to do; and what coppro said < 1254629716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too complicated to explain < 1254629742 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've an idea < 1254629789 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure that's possible < 1254629802 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you really've an idea < 1254629808 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1254629828 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did I get sudo access back on Normish? < 1254629850 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't think you could contract "have" when it wasn't used as an auxiliary verb < 1254630343 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1254630566 0 :Ann_Apolis!n=chatzill@host86-176-76-233.range86-176.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1254631171 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1254631796 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Ann_Apolis < 1254631797 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who be you < 1254631813 0 :Ann_Apolis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :way back in the years of 2007 < 1254631824 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm your name is vaguely familiar < 1254631826 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i saw you in some logs < 1254631827 0 :Ann_Apolis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i used to be called "unrelated_to_qaz" < 1254631831 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhhhhh < 1254631833 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you! hi < 1254631834 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember you < 1254631843 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it was camel-cased, though, not underscored < 1254631843 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome back < 1254631844 0 :Ann_Apolis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember you, too < 1254631851 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was i a dick :) < 1254631851 0 :Ann_Apolis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what have i missed? < 1254631859 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, lots :P < 1254631862 0 :Ann_Apolis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1254631882 0 :Ann_Apolis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :summarise it, i suppose. < 1254631882 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolang-wise, probably the most significant happening has been Feather, which is still vaporware but has permanently changed the mind of anyone who has ever had it explained < 1254631893 0 :Ann_Apolis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the better? < 1254631895 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything else is the usual constant inflow of crap with some minor gems < 1254631896 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's Feather? < 1254631897 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ann_Apolis: for the more insane < 1254631903 0 :Ann_Apolis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds ace < 1254631904 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: TURN BACK BEFORE DARKNESS ENVELOPS YOU!! < 1254631917 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And why isn't it on the Wiki? < 1254631920 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ann_Apolis: nobody understands it, but ais523 not-not-understands it the most, so ask him the next time he's on < 1254631929 0 :Ann_Apolis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah, i shall < 1254631931 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it hasn't been defined yet, it's merely a set of brain-damaging constraints < 1254631935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although he's working on defining it < 1254631943 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ann_Apolis: (ais523 being its creator) < 1254631952 0 :Ann_Apolis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1254631962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ann_Apolis: basically, it resolves on the interpreter being an editable part of the program, except it applies retroactively < 1254631965 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the interpreter is written in feather < 1254631974 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, when you modify it, the interpreter used to modify it is reinterpreted with the new one < 1254631974 0 :Ann_Apolis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1254631975 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that one's < 1254631977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that one's one < 1254631979 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so on, to infinity < 1254631982 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's how you perform operations < 1254631983 0 :Ann_Apolis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can see how it would get complicated < 1254631997 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the constraints are simple enough; it's just incredibly hard to reason about < 1254632172 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ann_Apolis: I assume you know about http://esolangs.org/ < 1254632202 0 :Ann_Apolis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wiki, you mean? < 1254632207 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1254632234 0 :Ann_Apolis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aye < 1254632450 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION considers installing beos in a vm
< 1254632851 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wants to try OS/2 Warp or whatever it's called
< 1254632884 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warp is a version of OS/2. < 1254632897 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1254632919 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Here you go: http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/3497344/OS_2_Warp_4_(english_version) < 1254632938 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even has 9 seeders. < 1254632940 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gets a vague feeling that it's disturbing that ehird knows more about computer history than he does, since he was around for more of it than ehird
< 1254632958 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like reading about this stuff. < 1254632985 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And here's a screenshot: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f0/Os2W4.png < 1254632988 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It certainly looks strange. < 1254633024 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you told me that that was the next version of DSL, I would believe you, except for the OS/2 indications < 1254633027 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and DOS window < 1254633039 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn Small Linux is Damn Ugly. :P < 1254633077 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I just use the stuff at http://www.warpdoctor.org/downloads.html instead of a torrent? < 1254633127 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, no? < 1254633133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are just the installer program diskettes. < 1254633138 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OS/2 Warp is still under copyright. < 1254633152 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's wrong with a torrent anyway? Just a click to download and open it. < 1254633172 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's slow < 1254633181 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 seeders; surely not. < 1254633189 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe your ISP shapes torrent traffic. < 1254633206 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, if for some reason, some watchdog thingy were to be using it to see who's pirating.. < 1254633221 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're paranoid. < 1254633227 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Watching OS/2 Warp? < 1254633230 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Really*? < 1254633253 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Britney Spears mp3s on LimeWire yes, old, obscure OS torrents no. < 1254633292 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Say that warpdoctor page offered a download of the full thing; "some watchdog thingy" could just as easily demand their HTTP logs. < 1254633315 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, true < 1254633351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, downloading OS/2 Warp is about as safe as crossing a road in a ghost town without looking left and right. :P < 1254633376 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At any rate, I really really need to eat and go to sleep now. My dad's going to be home tonight, and being up too late is a bad idea < 1254633396 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what BeOS version to get
< 1254633439 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.aresluna.org/attached/pics/usability/articles/biurkonaekranie/beos5.big.png < 1254633443 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latest, then; R5. < 1254633630 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/FROw0.jpg < 1254633651 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are a rich man < 1254633656 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have a computer machine that cats < 1254633658 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also money < 1254633667 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :( http://img.secretareaofvipquality.net/src/1234340335056.jpg ) < 1254633674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aware < 1254633696 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to think of a good caption < 1254633736 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Pictured: secret area of compaq hax, also money." < 1254633743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so bad it's good it's bad it's good. < 1254633803 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, not too sure about producing a glare effect < 1254633855 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just run it through a few gaussian blurs < 1254633865 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1254633887 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even I know what a Gaussian blur.. although you might be questioning how it can actually help < 1254633915 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you accidentally what < 1254634014 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this, Sgeo < 1254634037 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just trying to find out where the context of the line came from. < 1254634278 0 :Ann_Apolis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.14/2009082707]" < 1254634359 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1254634499 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you tried Haiku? < 1254634644 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :laaaaaaame < 1254634647 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want the real thing < 1254634689 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't find a beos 5 pro download :( < 1254634746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1254634751 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems most things only depend on r4(.5) < 1254634773 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from some versions with r5 fixes < 1254634785 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :furthermore, it seems that as far as stability goes, r4 > r4.5 > r5 < 1254634788 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i wil hunt for r4.5 < 1254634805 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*will < 1254634853 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/3280563/BeOS_4.5 < 1254634856 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :voila, is like a magic < 1254634863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck < 1254634864 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 seeders < 1254634867 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, let's see < 1254634894 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahem. いいえけど/ほんとういいだ/ってらしい < 1254634915 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :har har har < 1254634918 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a haiku < 1254634919 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :har har har. < 1254634928 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"No, but it's really great, I've heard." ... except more awkward < 1254634956 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, one peer has 98% < 1254634959 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's hope the others have the rest < 1254635014 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 peers < 1254635017 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :50-100KiB/s < 1254635018 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1254635021 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1254635024 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they all have 98%, oh god :( < 1254635037 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. I know there's no source, but surely you can find an ISO elsewhere on the web. http maybe. < 1254635078 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it is a few hundred megs < 1254635142 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, I use HTTP for everything. < 1254635151 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't judge me :o < 1254635160 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1254635164 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how < 1254635195 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I do challenge you to find a BeOS r4.5 ISO via HTTP; I contend it is impossible < 1254635218 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people tend to have things on hosting sites. the least endpoint of distribution of things, as it were < 1254635227 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a la least fixpoint) < 1254635230 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my challenge stands < 1254635240 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I don't think I'll be able to < 1254635262 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe usenet < 1254635262 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the google thingy to search for one file extension, btw < 1254635265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm getting good speeds here, although it's still unlikely I < 1254635273 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/$/'ll get all 100% since it's 98%/ < 1254635283 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: usenet has everything, costs money, and maxes out your connection < 1254635289 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus the binary search engines are very good quality < 1254635293 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing like http at all < 1254635311 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.newzleech.com/?group=&minage=&age=&min=min&max=max&q=beos&m=search&adv= < 1254635311 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I was saying that it wasn't http, but it is yet another place it is likely to be < 1254635313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why'm I surprised < 1254635321 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*not surprised < 1254635334 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I said. < 1254635337 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: yes, but instead of paying $15/mo for usenet I could buy BeOS. < 1254635365 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite true. how much is BeOS nowadays, dead-ish as it is? < 1254635555 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.amazon.com/BeOS-4-5-with-Bible/dp/B00002S7JC < 1254635558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$74.99 "used". < 1254635569 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's 4.5; 5 is the latest version but seems to suck more. < 1254635591 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get 5 personal edition, installs to a file on a windows or mac partition and boots from them, for free, but fuck that shit < 1254635602 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 5.1 is the leaked, buggy, unreleased beta; easy to pirate < 1254635610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that buggy I guess, still < 1254635614 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*but still < 1254635657 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see if 2% can be added from there? :) < 1254635665 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1254635670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1254635680 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, that would be the ultimate reverse engineering feat. perhaps. < 1254635688 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"see if 2%"? < 1254635691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you talking about, dude < 1254635717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :explain < 1254635782 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :filling in the 2% you'd miss in the 4.5 torrent < 1254635808 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, where can I find a 'ridiculous idea' sticker < 1254635809 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to produce... 4.59? < 1254635818 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean, miss < 1254635829 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what you're talking about at all, you're being incomprehensible < 1254635840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1254635841 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :98% < 1254635846 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jeez, you could have mentioned < 1254635854 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with any luck, the 2% will be useless stuff < 1254635860 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like some system components I don't need < 1254635862 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and be at the end < 1254635875 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least in a way that doesn't damage anything, just zeroes out some useless install files < 1254635900 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, I have this knack for subtracting numbers like '2' in my head. my teachers say I'm a mathematical prodigy < 1254635940 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 98% figure was way up there and out of context, and i didn't really pay attention to the exact number < 1254635942 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's up with you < 1254635970 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1254635981 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O < 1254636000 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if u payme enough i will let u into my sekrit area of arithemetics < 1254636011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1254636283 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, I should be studying for my bio test < 1254636329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you should do it while less deranged < 1254636479 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :including such exciting flash cards as: Sulfhydryl atoms and function -> -SH, thiols. Forms molecule fastener (R-S-S-R and 2H+), strong disulfide bond < 1254636675 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes that nt 4 workstation is considerd excellent; to pirate^Winvestigate later
< 1254636891 0 :MigoMipo!i=54d909a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-jjpmzvvtlyclotnt JOIN :#esoteric < 1254639281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :98.59% < 1254639282 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it stops < 1254640061 0 :zzo38!n=zzo38@h24-207-48-53.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1254640230 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! Do you anyone on here, today? < 1254640290 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1254640297 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O! < 1254640304 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warning, however: I am a robot. Beep. < 1254640318 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was late. But, not in your timezone? Or maybe in your timezone too. < 1254640332 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O no, it's OK. < 1254640334 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, early: 7:12 AM. < 1254640337 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beep. < 1254640350 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You know I'm a robot because I say "Beep." after everything. Beep.) < 1254640357 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see the time! I just sent a CTRL+A TIME message to you isn't it on the screen? < 1254640366 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, in the server tab; but I didn't notice. < 1254640376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[07:12] --- Received a CTCP TIME from zzo38 < 1254640390 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O. OK < 1254640414 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think this 98.59% downloaded ISO will work properly, by the way? Not that you'd know, but random people on the internet are as good a source as any. < 1254640415 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can also type TIME for the server time, and /TIME for my time. < 1254640428 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What ISO is that? < 1254640451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BeOS 4.5, from a source of questionable legality. Not like it's sold new any more, though. < 1254640457 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to try it in a virtual machine. < 1254640458 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean if it will work even with only 98.59% or if it will work at 100% < 1254640473 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just try it and see if it work. < 1254640474 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only 98.59% of it was available in the swarm of the BitTorrent file. < 1254640478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I'm going to. < 1254640489 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Need a boot floppy first, though. < 1254640496 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know much about the ISO file-format to understand whether or not 98.59% is good enough < 1254640534 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm hoping that the missing parts are in some random system component that I don't need. < 1254640552 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww, the boot floppy is an .exe that writes it to disk. I'll just use my Windows 95 virtual machine. < 1254640569 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But is a incomplete ISO loadable? < 1254640603 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure. < 1254640611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe there's a checksum... in which case, no. < 1254640630 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the problem is repairable, then you could try to fix it. < 1254640649 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've had a corrupt ISO load before < 1254640654 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've also had one fail to load < 1254640670 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably it will depend on where the missing bits are < 1254640709 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guh, VirtualBox seems to fail at floppise. < 1254640711 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*floppies < 1254640814 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it needs a filesystem there already. < 1254640816 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mkfs.msdos away... < 1254640826 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :biiiiittorrent < 1254640835 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about it < 1254640875 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is amazing < 1254640891 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a) Not when the swarm only has 98.59% of a file. (b) It's slow and amazing. < 1254640923 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :98.59% is fine for music or video < 1254640938 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a) Not for an OS. (b) Not always. < 1254641003 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so rsync the rest < 1254641012 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From... < 1254641075 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1254641085 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1254641229 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WE ALL SEE BUCKO < 1254641234 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I understand you fully. < 1254641245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was about to say the same to you. < 1254641257 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, I was writing to myself. < 1254641377 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gives up, elects to use the Windows 95 install CD to boot BeOS 4.5's
< 1254641460 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you had a game which was mostly the same as Wheel of Fortune, which rules would you adjust? < 1254641497 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the prizes would be negated, and so everyone would scramble to lose. < 1254641517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: This applies to any game with cash prizes. For instance: why not try the debt lottery?) < 1254641522 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O. < 1254641533 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, my ideas for different rules would be a bit different. < 1254641536 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Get all your friends to buy tickets too, or you have more of a chance of losing!) < 1254641576 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One rule I would change, is, BANKRUPT would not lose all your points in the current round, but instead only the points you earned on the current turn and 50 additional points lost. < 1254641602 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, you would be allowed to pass at any time after you spin on your turn, so you don't have to spin more than once if you don't want to. < 1254641676 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(About negating prizes to any game with cash prizes, I have actually thought about making a mahjong variant that works like this, too) < 1254641717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The variant you could pull off in reality is "the loser wins the money". < 1254641727 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That way people would actually play... < 1254641812 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, some of my ideas were, that you are forced to take another player's tile whenever possible, make CHII declarable by any player (not only the next player), remove the yaku requirement, play with Washizu tiles, and other things, too. < 1254641839 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make everyone play blindfolded. < 1254641904 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Washizu tiles are of no use if blindfolded. But even if everyone play blindfolded, you would then need some sort of referee to help with the things that nobody can possibly see. < 1254641936 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ref could just tell you what *changed* when you do a move, and you have to figure everything out from that. < 1254641958 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I think there are some chess variants with similar ideas too < 1254641983 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, so, you just need to remember what your tiles are? < 1254641998 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is your initial hand not known to you? < 1254642025 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. (I don't know how to play Mahjongg, though.) < 1254642027 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or it could be like Kriegspiel chess, where you can call any move and if it is illegal you have to try a different move. < 1254642047 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd basically be trying to build an image of the game in your head. < 1254642049 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, in mahjong you could call any tile, and if you don't have that one, the referee tells you to try a different one. < 1254642100 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The referee would also have to tell you when you are allowed to take another player's tile < 1254642128 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, possibly also, in a Washizu tiles set, tell the transparent tiles to everyone, and the opaque tiles if you pick it up only to you < 1254642149 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then not tell anyone your initial hand, so you have to figure it out by logic < 1254642189 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hee < 1254642241 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BeOS should be fun; I'll make that VM in a few minutes. < 1254642383 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's an example in Washizu mahjong which I have had to dealt with: Washizu has 123man/5pin/2334467sou and two opaque tiles. Which tiles is he waiting for? < 1254642397 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pony. (I don't know Mahjongg.) < 1254642415 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, since I could see the opaque 2sou and opaque 5sou, I know the 8sou is a safe tile to discard. < 1254642438 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is this kind of logic which you have to use in Washizu mahjong. < 1254642456 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you interested to learn mahjong? < 1254642463 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people are, but some isn't. < 1254642487 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not terribly, no. < 1254642497 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't seen much to suggest it's a highly interesting game. < 1254642607 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I can tell you it is a highly interesting game. And there are many different rulesets, so you can find (or make) the ruleset you prefer. I often play using the Japanese ruleset, but I have a few house-rules, too. I especially like with Washizu tiles, but I don't have a physical set of Washizu tiles or the table that goes with it. < 1254642722 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you ever play poker? < 1254642800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1254642837 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's OK. < 1254642850 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poker, as far as I can ascertain, comes down to three things: (a) luck, (b) probability theory and (c) social engineering. I can't get better at (a) and I'm terrible at (c), and I don't think I could be any good solely with (b). < 1254642953 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are basically correct, but it is not quite as simple as that. But you are close. Mahjong deals with these three things too, but also a lot more, and often there are hidden strategies which you have just not figured out yet, until later. It happens to me, too. < 1254642995 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mahjongg seems a lot more like a game and less an exercise in manipulating people to me, which is good. < 1254643033 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes, mahjong is a lot more like a game and less an exercise in manipulating people. < 1254643050 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(does the name have one or two Gs?) < 1254643055 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there are still bluffs to make in mahjong. < 1254643070 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mahjong has just one 'G', not two. Some people write two but there is supposed to be only one. < 1254643194 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the Akagi manga, Akagi wins by doing many things that seems strange, and somewhat stupid (sometimes very stupid), but it all works. He has won with quintuple bluffs, no-ten riichi (basically you declare your hand one away from winning when it isn't, you have to pay a penalty for this in case of an exhaustive draw), and betting your life, etc. < 1254643199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1254643200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1254643343 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But one of my favorites, was, Akagi could see Washizu had two west, and west was dora (meaning your score doubles for each west you have), so he throw that one and Washizu take it to make three dora, but now he is out of yaku, so he needs three similar sequences to win. < 1254643402 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a few turns he adjusts to 567/567/67, but the 67 is open. He picks up a 8, and can't use it (because he exposed the three Wests earlier), so has to discard it. Now, he has furiten. So, Akagi can now throw the 5 and declare riichi, and Washizu can't pick it up because of furiten. < 1254643436 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you see how it works? Such strange things don't normally happen in mahjong, but these are rare possibilities to do such things as this. < 1254643484 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, since I don't know those terms. < 1254643620 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you pick up the tile to win yourself and nothing exposed, then you have "menzenchintsumo", which means you don't need anyone else's tiles to complete your hand. "Menzenchintsumo" is one possible yaku, but there are others. < 1254643662 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Furiten means a tile you discarded is one that can be used to complete your hand (even with no yaku), so then you cannot take another player's tile to complete your hand (this adds to the defensive strategy of the game). < 1254643735 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each yaku and dora is worth a certain amount of "han". Each han doubles your score for this hand, up to a limit of 13 han, which is called "yakuman". < 1254643750 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a lot of other rules too. < 1254643795 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can look up Japanese mahjong rules if you are interested in it. < 1254644007 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-21-216.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1254644229 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1254644290 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1254644727 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://imgur.com/bG9dd.png <-- that is some high res < 1254644824 0 :rodgort!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Coyote finally caught me" < 1254644832 0 :rodgort!n=rodgort@li14-39.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1254644861 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1280x771? < 1254644866 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. 1280x768 full res < 1254644869 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1254644877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, probably 1280x1024 < 1254644881 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's that hi res < 1254644900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you mean the imagse < 1254644902 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*images < 1254644963 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1254645183 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no I mean the zoomed level < 1254645194 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1254645194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :high res of the sat that took the pic < 1254645199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, vans < 1254645204 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they drive vans around < 1254645205 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok < 1254645231 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, explains the perspective < 1254645241 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can tilt it iirc < 1254645242 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I discovered a scam in Agora :D < 1254645263 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1254645268 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do it and give me all the profit. < 1254645273 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1254645285 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if there's any profits < 1254645290 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well what is it < 1254645293 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me in /msg < 1254645373 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beos 4.5 boot floppy gets to splash and freezes :( < 1254645387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, hold down boot and you get a menu < 1254645395 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" ooh, hold down boot and you get a menu" < 1254645398 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boot key? < 1254645399 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1254645400 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1254645401 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hold down space < 1254645402 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1254645429 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what about Haiku < 1254645434 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :want the real thin < 1254645435 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g < 1254645438 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1254645439 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\ng/g/ < 1254645496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with all safe mode options enabled still no dice. < 1254645503 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did read that it doesn't boot on modern systems... < 1254645507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can qemu emulate an old system? < 1254645512 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CPUwise < 1254645528 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clock speed etc < 1254645574 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue < 1254645632 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, pretty syre bochs (spelling?) can < 1254645633 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure* < 1254645669 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but i'd rather buy an old bebox than try and figure out how to configure bochs properly, and then find the time to wait for it to boot up < 1254645679 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, :D < 1254645700 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now bochs isn't THAT bad < 1254645734 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, at least the configuration part is. I've only got to the boot up part once before deciding to do other things before dying of old age. :P < 1254645739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Joking.) < 1254645769 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough about the config part < 1254645798 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, gave up on the game yesterday or? < 1254645803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which < 1254645808 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kiki the nanobot < 1254645817 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1254645855 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BeOS did crazy, crazy, wild stuff on a 400mhz pentium pro, but I think bochs might actually be slower than that. < 1254645926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've read reviews; its installer consists of selecting a partition in the GUI, hitting a button and waiting. That's it. < 1254645949 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless your disk doesn't have a suitable partition made in Windows beforehand, in which case it displayed a partition editor, and then the installer. < 1254646002 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying qemu is worth a try I guess < 1254646010 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbiab < 1254646414 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, "error inflating file". < 1254646608 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1254648283 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from what i hear the manipulation part of poker is completely meaningless < 1254648575 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: when you all advertised it, i solved a few puzzles in it, don't especially enjoy it < 1254648646 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also tell me if those need context, they shouldn't < 1254648911 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-21-247.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1254649024 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1254649071 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-156-195-201.range86-156.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1254649103 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1254649126 0 :oklopol!n=oklopol@a91-153-117-63.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1254649374 0 :adam_d!n=Adam@cpc2-acto6-0-0-cust48.brnt.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1254649533 0 :sebbu3!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-35-225.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1254649667 0 :adam_d_!n=Adam@cpc2-acto6-0-0-cust48.brnt.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1254649861 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1254649873 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-65-202.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1254649882 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1254649901 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu < 1254650714 0 :sebbu3!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1254650786 0 :adam_d!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1254651337 0 :atrapado!n=roper@158.184.116.91.dynamic.mundo-r.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1254652829 0 :fizziew!n=htkallas@pc112.ics.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1254653364 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Coyote finally caught me" < 1254653369 0 :fizziew!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :fizzie < 1254654044 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :robinson.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1254654044 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :robinson.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1254654078 0 :atrapado!n=roper@158.184.116.91.dynamic.mundo-r.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1254654078 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1254654083 0 :augur!n=augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr2.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1254656632 0 :adam_d_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1254657176 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1254658250 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 180 seconds < 1254659033 0 :fizzie`!i=fis@iris.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1254659169 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :fizziew < 1254659175 0 :fizzie`!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :fizzie < 1254661915 0 :adam_d!n=Adam@cpc2-acto6-0-0-cust48.brnt.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1254663006 0 :MigoMipo!n=john@84-217-9-162.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1254663127 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-3-21.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1254663208 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1254663499 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@77-100-194-169.cable.ubr04.pres.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1254663861 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1254664115 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1254664629 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: D&D XD < 1254665315 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, indeed < 1254665315 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn lag < 1254665316 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :over 30 seconds < 1254665548 0 :adam_d!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1254665580 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION suspects AnMaster's client doesn't respond to pings. either that or his lag is _really_ bad
< 1254665590 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you tried changing server? < 1254665889 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* oerjan suspects AnMaster's client doesn't respond to pings. either that or his lag is _really_ bad <-- indeed no ping replies < 1254665889 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ctcp ones that is < 1254665889 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, also yes I have... < 1254665889 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :been lag spikes like this for weeks now < 1254665900 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even after changing server a few times, so I gave up a week or two ago < 1254665941 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps something in your neighborhood then < 1254666014 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that _i_ am using a swedish server... unless i am lagged too < 1254666039 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, ehird's client replied instantly < 1254666789 0 :impomatic!n=John@nat65.mia.three.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1254666985 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, lag spikes for me < 1254667176 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1254668822 0 :Ann_Apolis!n=chatzill@host86-176-76-233.range86-176.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1254670009 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1254670108 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1254670529 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-95-188.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1254673041 0 :adam_d!n=Adam@cpc2-acto6-0-0-cust48.brnt.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1254674828 0 :Ann_Apolis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.14/2009082707]" < 1254677017 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-62-153.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1254677304 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1254677435 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1254677519 0 :MigoMipo!n=migomipo@84-217-9-162.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1254677843 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they call me oklopol < 1254678866 0 :linf!n=nikita@93-81-170-5.broadband.corbina.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1254678953 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"mov.i #1,1" < 1254679011 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1254680777 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1254681513 0 :linf!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1254684632 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1254684867 0 :adam_d!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1254687090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y helo dar < 1254687093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey it's linf < 1254687144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW ARE THE PEACHES I WONDER < 1254687592 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/q/qemu-kvm/qemu-kvm_0.11.0~rc2-0ubuntu12_amd64.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.45 80] < 1254687597 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf. < 1254687628 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/q/qemu-kvm/ < 1254687628 0 :oklofog!n=oklopol@a91-153-117-63.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1254687630 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see. < 1254687637 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see a < 1254687638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :party! < 1254687641 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :party oklofog < 1254687739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, updating fixed it < 1254687778 0 :oklofog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah party time! < 1254687794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no binary package for kqemu in ubuntu, wtf. < 1254687855 0 :oklofog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, "kemut" is finnish for "party" < 1254687868 0 :oklofog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. at least it was a few hundred years ago. < 1254687870 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coincidence i think not < 1254687871 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1254687884 0 :oklofog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well clearly not < 1254687912 0 :oklofog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god is telling us ubunty isn't where the party is at < 1254688205 0 :oklofog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, tomorrow, i have 9 hours of communication skills < 1254688293 0 :oklofog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gonna be great < 1254688422 0 :oklofog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "speech communication", literally translated... my guess is no other country has that horrible subject < 1254688561 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, any luck with that computer? < 1254688563 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1254688572 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hi < 1254688603 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'evening < 1254688696 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : so, tomorrow, i have 9 hours of communication skills <-- well you should use them well, then < 1254688711 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Ordered a new AC adapter, but it'll of course take some time to get here. < 1254688728 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully that's the cause of the problem. < 1254688735 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1254688761 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1254688789 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway shouldn't system logs help (I here assume that you do remote syslog on any computer you use for any sort of server like task, like running fungot on) < 1254688851 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You assume curious things. < 1254688878 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofog! < 1254688887 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :languages do not do final voicing! :| < 1254689000 0 :oklofog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not following you < 1254689019 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well before you were oklofog < 1254689020 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1254689022 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok < 1254689025 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you're oklofog < 1254689029 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the k voiced and became a g < 1254689035 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the end of the word < 1254689038 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but languages dont do that! < 1254689041 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they only DEvoice! < 1254689067 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ypi < 1254689070 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :youre sucj a rebel. < 1254689081 0 :oklofog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if it was fog first, so fok was devoiced, and i just dedevoiced back < 1254689092 0 :oklofog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah i'm sort of a total rebel < 1254689105 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should front the a < 1254689108 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1254689109 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :front the o < 1254689111 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to an a < 1254689134 0 :oklofog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure i'm that much of a rebel < 1254689144 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you are a total fag. < 1254689148 0 :oklofog!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :akloglio < 1254689155 0 :akloglio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i am now < 1254689157 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how italian < 1254689169 0 :akloglio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the glio part yes < 1254689180 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : languages do not do final voicing! :| <-- never? i could imagine it happening before vowels... < 1254689182 0 :akloglio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "k" not so much < 1254689195 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: then its not final devoicing, is it? :) < 1254689196 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then spreading by analogy < 1254689198 0 :akloglio!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :acloglio < 1254689218 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: i mean vowels starting the next word < 1254689253 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: thats continuous speech < 1254689263 0 :acloglio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as if vowels ever imagine anything happening < 1254689268 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those contexts very frequently eliminate the "finality" < 1254689288 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm also danish has many voiced ending consonants where norwegian has unvoiced ones, although i'm not entirely sure which would be oldest... < 1254689300 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1254689305 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no thats not what i mean oerjan < 1254689315 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of languages have both voiced and voiceless consonants at the ends of words < 1254689326 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its just that when theyre pronounced, they're very frequently devoiced < 1254689339 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except in continuous speech, where you get inter-word interactions < 1254689420 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the danish consonants tend not to be plosives like the norwegian ones, i think < 1254689429 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats ok < 1254689441 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like no. "mat" vs. danish "mad", where the d is like english th < 1254689458 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(both meaning "food") < 1254689462 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok :P < 1254689565 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you may very well be right about process within a single language. i recall german does that, and also vaguely recall russian < 1254689591 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway. < 1254689593 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes :P < 1254689620 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in terms of historical change < 1254689621 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik < 1254689624 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :final voicing is not found < 1254689638 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats not to say that you wont get something that looks like final voicing < 1254689646 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just wont be actual final voicing < 1254689669 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance you might get something like < 1254689713 0 :ehird_!n=ehird@91.105.82.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1254689719 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a language might look have a rule that final vowels are deleted, and then final consonants are devoiced < 1254689719 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No luck with the broken image. < 1254689733 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so VkV and VgV -> Vk < 1254689778 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess I will have to settle with r5. Woe. < 1254689792 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there might be an intervocalic voicing rule that emerges, which applies before vowel deletion < 1254689797 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut up augur < 1254689799 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :leading to VkV -> VgV -> Vk < 1254689816 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't look like final voicing in any way < 1254689821 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you just get rid of the devoicing rule < 1254689831 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you get VkV -> VgV -> Vg < 1254689842 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1254689848 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what previously was always Vk < 1254689851 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now becomes Vg < 1254689860 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shuuuuuut uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuup < 1254689867 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, make me. < 1254689922 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night → < 1254689928 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gags augur
< 1254689931 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know that contemporary phonological theory is NP-hard? < 1254689932 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NON-SEXUALLY < 1254689967 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1254690023 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not really hard to be NP-hard < 1254690101 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1254690126 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird_ gets me np-hard all the time < 1254690203 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah. im bored. < 1254690213 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and theres nothing interesting going on in the eso world! :( < 1254690276 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feather. < 1254690288 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you think feather isn't interesting, gtfo and go die in a ditch < 1254690358 0 :jix!n=jix@g224150236.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1254690412 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not sure i know what feather is < 1254690425 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask ais523. < 1254690435 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he'll confuse you further but there's nothing more you can do with feather < 1254690442 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such is life < 1254690519 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there will have been, though < 1254690530 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1254690557 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*whoosh* < 1254690568 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got the reference < 1254690572 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just didn't understand the sentence < 1254690575 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there will have been what < 1254690594 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something more you can do with feather < 1254690603 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1254690604 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1254690628 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOW FIXING JOKES, RETROACTIVELY < 1254690760 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I lost my ey < 1254690863 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least it isn't a terribly common ey. < 1254690930 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very recently, i notice < 1254690940 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, just now. < 1254690952 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably underneath my des, which has a floor for some god nows what reason. < 1254690991 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's a good thing it has a floor, you wouldn't want things to drop down under your house would you? < 1254690997 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or worse, crawling up < 1254691013 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there's two floors, see, one on my des and the other on my floor. :P < 1254691038 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's really an outdoor desk < 1254691100 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1254691111 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normal des: |-| < 1254691115 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My des: |=| < 1254691860 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kkk < 1254691862 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am a happy racist < 1254691904 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1254693578 0 :adam_d!n=Adam@cpc2-acto6-0-0-cust48.brnt.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1254695071 0 :adam_d_!n=Adam@cpc2-acto6-0-0-cust48.brnt.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1254695687 0 :adam_d!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1254695805 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1254696824 0 :acloglio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :racism is bad < 1254696833 0 :acloglio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dear god my nick scared me < 1254696837 0 :acloglio!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :oklopol < 1254696902 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Ex-Chat" < 1254696910 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spaghetti al oglio < 1254696931 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(google's helpful suggestion) < 1254696945 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1254696976 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love google < 1254696983 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well bye -> < 1254697004 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night < 1254697337 0 :adam_d_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1254697426 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey guys < 1254697427 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ducks < 1254697530 0 :MizardX-!i=MizardX@h-28-236.A159.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1254697561 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1254697588 0 :MizardX-!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :MizardX < 1254699587 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 105 (No buffer space available) < 1254699913 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to buy a monitor < 1254699927 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you now < 1254699956 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhhuh < 1254700074 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824176107 < 1254700135 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not ips; worthless < 1254700152 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ips? < 1254700158 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in-plane switching < 1254700187 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tn: ubiquitous, cheap, simply appalling colour reproduction (as in, trivially noticeable compared to an ips by even the most untrained eye) < 1254700187 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1254700194 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1254700197 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :terrible viewing angle < 1254700197 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1254700204 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything inverts and goes to shit quickly < 1254700207 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're probably using a tn now < 1254700223 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ips is rare, less cheap (ok, ok, not cheap) and rules < 1254700260 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1254700272 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you use ellipses more than AnMaster < 1254700323 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1254700492 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..................... < 1254700507 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1254700512 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1254700512 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001317 < 1254700530 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2048 * 1152 is big < 1254700564 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand, you'll squint at bitmaps made for ~96ppi displays. also, it's glossy. also, it's 16:9, which sucks for computer usage vs 16:10 < 1254700586 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((ha! I resisted saying ips!)) < 1254700661 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more pixels than 1920*1200 < 1254700687 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :congratulations, you have mastered the dumb-consumer reasoning that the companies depend on < 1254700779 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1254700794 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.................