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"Firefox is having trouble recovering your windows and tabs. This is usually caused by a recently opened web page." 09:07:16 I just clicked on "restore" a second time and it worked, though 09:07:27 I just thought it was an amusing error message to find in production software 09:07:35 That was added in 3.5. 09:08:04 It does that here every time you make it crash and/or kill it without doing the normal "save and quit" thing. 09:08:23 It's a bit misleading message in that it never has any trouble actually restoring the tabs. 09:09:06 ais523: what is it with software trying to be all cutesy? 09:09:31 not sure 09:09:42 I like Chrome's crashed tab, but it's only a Macintosh homage if you notice it, and the only cutesy text is "Aw, Snap!" 09:09:45 anyway, what caused that one was attempting to suspend a computer 09:09:51 heh 09:09:55 qmail gives this sort of fatal error message: 09:09:58 "Hi. This is the qmail-send program at something.something.something.net. 09:09:58 I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. 09:09:58 This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out." 09:09:59 it reacted by apparently shutting down immediately 09:10:04 but rebooted to a blank screen 09:10:05 fizzie: I get that often 09:10:16 I get that occasionally; apparently Yahoo uses qmail 09:10:39 It annoys me because it's hard to pattern match the error from the loquacious text 09:10:46 ohhhhhhhhhhhh I just said loquacious I am AWESOME 09:11:38 I had a horrible feeling when testing a qmail installation, which involves sending a known-to-bounce message; I would have so much liked to answer "really, it's okay, my fault: that message was supposed to bounce" but, well, you can't. 09:11:59 :( 09:12:07 You make me sad. 09:12:22 Sad email server makes me sad. 09:13:23 You should have just emailed another address that actually works so it could be happy and gleeful. 09:14:25 Eek! Phone line people are here. 09:14:29 Correction: Eek! People. 09:15:28 They are going to install a surveillance microphone, so that the government can monitor your subversive activities. 09:15:33 Yes. 09:15:48 Well, actually they're just installing a line or something. Or checking if they can. 09:16:03 I don't suppose they'll need to see the scattered phone sockets around the house, so MY FORTRESS IS SAFE. 09:16:27 Digital fortress. 09:17:07 Every time I hear other people anything, I feel a slight twitch for MY HOLY FORTRESS. I think I have issues. 09:33:46 -!- ais523 has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 09:33:46 -!- ais523_ has joined. 09:39:04 -!- ehird_ has joined. 09:39:27 hi ehird_ 09:39:32 Urgh, am I really on GPRS? It's like a nightmare... 09:39:33 it's like, an underscore convention 09:46:30 -!- ehird__ has joined. 09:46:36 Yay, 3G oncee more. 09:46:38 *more 09:46:49 -!- ais523_ has changed nick to ais523__. 09:46:49 -!- ehird has quit (Nick collision from services.). 09:46:50 -!- ehird__ has changed nick to ehird. 09:46:53 -!- ehird_ has quit (Nick collision from services.). 09:46:57 -!- ais523__ has changed nick to ais523. 09:47:05 * ais523 tried to remove the extra underscores with /nick ehird 09:47:10 clearly, I need to pay more attention... 09:47:10 :D 09:47:44 Eh, back to fingering the circuit board for this key. 09:48:31 This is probably slightly dangerous. 09:48:51 not really 09:49:03 I don't think there's enough of a voltage in a keyboard to hurt you unless you really try 09:49:11 Thus "slightly". :P 09:49:14 e.g. by wiring the internals directly up to the surface of your heart 09:49:20 Sweet. 09:49:59 Circuit boards aren't very tactile. 10:27:04 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 10:27:46 "MobileDeveloperTV has itself a Maemo-powered Nokia N900, and sure enough, it runs the full version of Google Wave." 10:27:52 Pah, 2 jiggahurts phones. 10:27:55 I use Wave with my mind. 10:41:14 Telepathetically. 10:41:34 N900 dropped the USB host mode support, then. 10:41:49 option 2 is looking like a good one, it seems 10:42:00 the elisp finally turned up, apparently it needs human interaction as well 10:42:25 basically, the plan's to use an evolutionary computing stage, which alternates between the computer evaluating the fitness function, and the human tweaking the input to get better output... 10:47:52 ais523: ... 10:47:55 fucking hell 10:48:04 aaaaaaaanyway 10:48:10 Cool, TextEdit supports .odt 10:48:12 the code apparently wasn't meant to be used by anyone else 10:48:14 Also, in case ais523 didn't yet notice and still cares about the Sidekick conspiracy: "Microsoft recovers 'most, if not all' Sidekick customer data" 10:48:21 ehird: the support was ridiculously partial last I saw it 10:48:25 fizzie: link? 10:48:30 ais523: Possibly. Still. 10:48:36 ais523: If you link me to a fancy-shmancy odt I can try it. 10:48:36 I still care about the conspiracy theories, because they're fun to read 10:48:37 ais523: http://forums.t-mobile.com/tmbl/?category.id=Sidekick 10:48:46 I want to see how the conspiracy theorists deal with this one 10:49:07 http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/15/microsoft-recovers-most-if-not-all-sidekick-customer-customer/ 10:49:14 Less horrific than some random T-Mobile forum. 10:49:28 "We have determined that the outage was caused by a system failure that created data loss in the core database and the back-up." 10:49:29 Admittedly it's not a very useful article, but still. 10:49:35 Yes, well, that was the "read" link of that engadget article. 10:49:37 Thanks, Sherlock! 10:49:42 * ais523 wonders how that's even possible... 10:49:49 Zombies. 10:49:59 Hey, EtherPad can import from txt/html/doc/rtf. 10:50:00 Neato. 10:50:04 Now hwy can't it export as rtf? 10:50:07 *why 10:50:11 Also a strange /.-linked story: http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10374831-2.html 10:50:41 Sweet 10:50:46 actually, this is quite a good result; most customers get their data back, and Microsoft still gets sued into oblivion for massive breach of contract 10:50:48 So everyone in Finland can have free one megabit internet? 10:50:56 I don't think "free" is included anywhere. 10:51:02 Then how is it a right 10:51:11 What about people who are totally broke? 10:51:40 "France's Constitutional Council ruled that Internet access is a basic human right." // i didn't realise anyone had gone that progressive yet 10:52:00 [[But Finland's definition of "access" to broadband is a little fuzzy. According to the Helsinki Times when it reported the 100Mb target last year, the Finnish government said that no household "would be farther than 2 kilometers from a connection capable of delivering broadband Internet with a capacity of at least 100 megabits of data a second." It did say, though, that "about 2,000 (households) in far-flung corners of the country" wouldn't be included. 10:52:00 Ostensibly, Finland plans to keep that same distribution when its 1Mb broadband access is implemented.]] 10:52:00 ah. 10:52:25 it seems kind-of weird to have Internet access as a human right, when the Internet didn't even exist 100 years ago 10:52:28 -!- FireFly has joined. 10:52:37 What's age got to do with it? 10:52:43 It wasn't a right then because nobody used the internet. 10:53:08 human rights strike me as the sort of things which always were needed and always will be 10:53:46 Bullshit. 10:54:11 What a person needs for anything beyond raw survival has changed over the years. 10:54:27 ais523: Anyway, that definition falls hopelessly short; for example, nobody needs free speech to survive. 10:54:33 But it's still a basic human right. 10:54:41 I didn't say "to survive" 10:55:08 in fact, it makes sense to say that Internet access is the only practical way to achieve truly free speech nowadays, for instance 10:55:14 but that's different from making the Internet itself a right 10:55:16 it's a means, not an end 10:55:32 The in-Finnish article has more details; the local regulatory body will designate a couple of tele-operators that are required to provide the service, and those companies need to provide that one megabit at a "reasonable" price to every permanent dwelling or company office. 10:55:39 Well, I'm not surprised it doesn't make sense to someone who rapidly avoids the web... 10:55:54 Obviously IRC is not much of a necessity. 10:56:32 Also funny way of specifying the speed: you will have to get (on average) at least 75 % of the megabit during any 24-hour period, and at least 50 % during any 4-hour period. 11:02:46 I really, really need window GC. 11:04:08 apparently Android does something like that 11:04:21 it keeps processes running in the background, and signals them to save and exit when they haven't been used for a while 11:08:55 Clever for stateless things like iPhone apps; could be a pain for IRC clients and their ilk, but I assume it can be disabled by an app. 11:09:14 But I don't want them destroyed permanently, just put in a dated archive in case I really need them. 11:09:23 I accumulate windows and tabs like crazy when browsing the web. 11:09:30 Android apps are supposed to be able to do that themselves 11:09:35 as in, they're supposed to persist to disk then exit 11:10:30 What's that got to do with anything I've said? 11:11:38 it's mildly related 11:14:24 aargh, stupid BlogNomic moving the sidebar to the left 11:14:40 * ehird looks. 11:14:42 http://blognomic.com/archive/queries_and_notices/ needs someone like ehird yelling at them to explain why what they're doing is all a really bad idea 11:15:01 It does look significantly more cluttered. Left sidebars can be done but not by wantonly moving things around... 11:15:36 e.g. http://daringfireball.net/ pull off a left-aligned sidebar with lots and lots of whitespace... but BlogNomic looks terrible now. 11:15:49 incidentally, does Fitts' Law allow for the fact that it's easier to hit small targets near (but not at) the edge of the screen than it is to hit targets near the middle? (Of course, it's easier still to hit targets actually at the edge) 11:15:54 It doesn't help that they're still using that overly-minimal theme. 11:16:07 ais523: Probably; I'm not sure 11:16:17 I'm only familiar with the most basic results of the law 11:16:47 "BlogNomic IRC Channel | Alternate Link" 11:16:53 why are they linking to two web clients?! 11:16:59 the first's Java-based, IIRC 11:17:06 without even noting which to use in a situation... 11:17:10 so the second one gets around firewalls 11:17:25 thus guaranteeing either one of the links to be useless, or to annoy people by making them click both 11:17:38 -!- jix has joined. 11:18:57 blognomic admins have too much of a tendency to mess with the software for the sake of messing with it 11:19:07 which is strange, considering how rarely they do that with the ruleset 11:19:24 -!- iamcal has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 11:19:56 ais523: Probably because Expression Engine has so many buttons. 11:20:12 they're editing the HTML directly 11:20:18 well, and the CSS 11:20:23 As opposed to? 11:21:13 (ais523) 11:21:20 clicking buttons 11:21:28 which is the implication I got from your comment 11:22:26 ais523: I just meant that it's such an overly-customisable, overly-generic (Is it a blog engine? A user accounts framework for subapplications? A... thing? It's ExpressionEngine!) piece of software that nanturally all the little preferences just beg to be clicked around. 11:22:31 *naturally 11:22:39 Including the templates. 11:24:54 * ais523 reads a D&D version flamewar 11:26:27 Haha, it's so futuristic: http://vimeo.com/6496886 11:27:01 I saw that thing. 11:27:12 Yes, I guess siggraph was quite a while ago. 11:27:14 Windows only, though, so meh. 11:27:21 I saw it a few days ago. 11:27:27 The demos are almost certainly tuned to work properly. 11:27:39 Sure, but it makes for a fancy video. 11:27:59 ais523: I don't play D&D — do people just fight over 3v4 or are there crazy niche sect arguments about, I don't know, 1.5 revision 2 vs 3.4 draft 5? :D 11:28:21 the major fight is 2v3v4 11:28:27 fights within a version are very rare 11:28:42 e.g. most people prefer 3.5 to 3.0, the only complaint was about having to buy the books twice 11:28:53 come to think of it, there are probably still fans of 1 around 11:29:00 I was about to ask. 11:29:27 less numerous than the others, though 11:29:56 I want to write a roguelike. 11:30:25 go for it 11:31:12 I have insane plans to write a roguelike as an Enigma level, but that'll take months and I don't have the time right now 11:31:13 I guess I can write a simple one in a few hundred lines; some crappy floor generation, stupid enemies and a few items, plus portals to other floors. 11:31:16 Plus a few stats. 11:31:39 In fact, the hardest bit will probably be the IO. 11:31:41 (ncurses etc.) 11:32:18 I'd make it graphical, but rendering ASCII graphics in a graphical window would be so silly. Also, probably harder than ncurses, even though it gives better with my personal preferences. 11:33:11 you could do curses first and write a tiles version later 11:33:17 make the UI pluggable 11:33:38 Yes, I will. But still, curses is a bitch. 11:33:52 I do believe I should incorporate http://buttersafe.com/2008/09/25/cat-fight/ into the game mechanics. 11:34:00 I don't really mind curses 11:34:03 Somehow. 11:34:04 the library, that is 11:34:09 (what a stupid name...) 11:34:24 "Curses: fuck that shit." 11:34:42 * ehird is swatted 11:34:58 don't make me break out the butterfly net 11:35:16 (In case anyone doesn't want to bother loading that whole page: http://buttersafe.com/comics/2008-09-25-CatFight.jpg) 11:37:33 heh, someone's busy trying to argue about whether Batman would wear armour or not 11:37:41 wut 11:37:48 ais523: Anyway, by "graphical" I still meant the actual tiles would be textual. 11:37:49 he's arguing not, on the basis that it wouldn't make any difference 11:37:53 (But only because I'm lazy.) 11:38:05 ehird: actually, that's how DNA Maze works 11:38:13 Yes. I'd use a stock font, though. 11:38:14 it writes text by blitting the individual letters to the screen 11:38:17 saves messing around with fonts 11:38:49 Well, I was mainly meaning for the menus, buttons and easier cursor manipulation sort of thing. 11:39:02 Also, the ability to hover an object's identification above it if you're near enough. 11:39:20 (Which you can do with text, sure, but it obscures stuff. With a semi-transparent, small font, only doable in a GUI, however...) 11:39:25 I want to add hover-farlook to my NetHack interface 11:39:35 Hover-farlook? 11:39:40 hover something to see what it is 11:39:46 rather than having to use ; 11:39:47 Ah. 11:39:49 ideally, in text mode too 11:39:59 In mine it would be automatic; just get within, say, 5x5 of it. 11:40:01 although, it might need to click just because of how text-mode mouse detection works 11:40:05 Or I could have it appear above everything, since, you know, you could just ;. 11:41:17 one thing I'm wondering about is a list of ambiguous monsters 11:41:26 e.g. if there are mind flayers and dwarf kings in a room 11:41:30 it would underline, say, the mind flayers 11:41:41 with a key saying h mind flayer \ h dwarf king 11:41:55 Okay, game mechanic: There is a cat, labelled so. You attack it. It turns out to be a brick cat (and thus it hurts you a little) and its label now reflects this. You can pick up the brick cat, and put it on an activator thing that you'd normally put a stone on. 11:42:08 (Or, you can keep kicking it until you die.) 11:42:23 sort of like a reverse cockatrice 11:42:26 you touch it, and it turns to stone 11:42:45 Well, it *was* stone all along, you just didn't know that. 11:42:58 I suppose picking it up without attacking it first should give you some luck points or something. 11:43:08 (Doing that to an actual cat enemy would presumably result in damage.) 11:43:41 well, that sort of thing already happens in NetHack 11:43:49 you can try to move onto a cat to pick it up, using m and the cat's direction 11:44:00 but you'll get "You move right into the cat", or whatever, and lose your turn 11:44:05 Heh. 11:44:07 and so the cat will get a chance to attack you 11:44:30 In my case it'd be that you can pick up a brick cat because, well, it's just brick. But trying to pick up an angry cat's just gonna result in scratches. 11:44:45 Of course, picking up every cat you see in the hopes that it'll be made out of brick is unlikely to pay off... 11:44:54 what sort of hero can't distinguish a brick from a cat? 11:45:06 http://buttersafe.com/comics/2008-09-25-CatFight.jpg 11:45:12 It could happen to you! 11:46:07 it seems that AngBand has a mechanic like this, where , could indicate a door, a mushroom (item), or a mushroom (monster) 11:46:09 *Angband 11:46:22 gah, NetHack has given me an intrinsic urge to CamelCase all roguelike-related proper nouns 11:47:00 Clearly my final boss should have the same tile as the floor. 11:47:11 (Or, slightly less ridiculously, the weakest, most common enemy in the game.) 11:47:16 there's one of those in at least one Angband variant too 11:47:37 but IMO, anything that provokes paranoid farlooking is a bad idea 11:47:50 so, it would have to also look like the floor if you tried to find out what it was remotely 11:47:53 Well, you'd know when you get to the end boss, anyway. 11:47:58 But yes, it would. 11:48:05 It'd also have no transparent-identification-text. 11:48:16 (There'd be no actual look command.) 11:48:22 But that's equivalent to an invisible boss, really. 11:48:35 one that can't be seen with see invisible 11:48:42 Well, yes. 11:50:20 This should be fun. 11:50:22 (Maybe I can keep the UI code I write for later, more substantial games.) 11:50:41 So tempted to go the graphical route right now for those shiny identification labels. 11:51:01 write it in 7 days 11:51:06 and post it as a 7-day roguelike 11:51:13 You want me to keep up a whole project for 7 days?! 11:51:14 :-p 11:51:16 *:-P 11:51:31 this is annoying: there's a siren in the background, but I don't think it's the fire alarm 11:51:43 it seems to have stopped, anyway 11:51:44 what /was/ that? 11:51:53 Who knows. 11:52:10 Anyway, I do wonder if it'd be worth releasing it; I doubt there are many OS X-using roguelike players. 11:52:40 And I'm not futzing about with cross-platform GUI libaries... And I can't do ncurses because, shiny labels! :< 11:53:53 ais523: Incidentally, is Rogue any good 11:53:56 s/$/?/ 11:54:03 ehird: it's rather primitive, but still a decent game 11:54:14 Hack? 11:54:27 very similar to NetHack, but slightly more annoying 11:54:33 and with fewer things in, but you're unlikely to notice 11:54:41 unless you know a lot about NetHack 11:54:50 or get a long distance into both games 11:55:20 anyway, I have a meeting, I'm leaving for a while, probably about 2 hours 11:55:46 I have a soft spot for Rogue, since it was probably among the first computer games I played. For some inexplicable reason, our I-think-it-was-a-286 had a copy installed. 11:56:31 As far as I remember, my first roguelike was Omega 12:01:51 -!- ais523 has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 12:08:28 -!- MigoMipo has quit. 12:14:35 -!- ais523 has joined. 12:16:00 * ehird realises, while reading a comment from Jef Raskin on a website circa 2004, that he died a year later 12:16:32 My life is filled with realisations! Also, neurons firing. 12:18:53 -!- oerjan has joined. 12:19:16 (Ouch— then two comments later, "I wish I had taken the opportunity to apologize to Jef before he passed away. I didn't mean to offend him. It's a shame to see him go.") 12:26:01 actually, this is quite a good result; most customers get their data back, and Microsoft still gets sued into oblivion for massive breach of contract 12:26:16 hey, don't make me actually feel sorry for microsoft here! 12:27:09 meh, that's impossible 12:27:16 I feel sorry for Microsoft's employees (collectively) 12:27:25 but not really for the corporate evil intelligence that's controlling them 12:27:28 Sometimes I feel sorry for Microsoft! But only sometimes. 12:27:50 Time to read some more keyboard forum! 12:29:10 * oerjan wonders how you'd go about creating a corporation type that _wasn't_ intrinsically psychopathic 12:29:30 I'm not sure it's possible 12:29:33 if it is, it should probably be done 12:29:51 perhaps it requires solving the friendly AI problem first 12:29:54 Capitalism is intrinsically psychopathic and sociopathic. 12:30:36 hmm... is there an easy way to determine your own screen res? 12:30:37 um is there a difference between psychopathic and sociopathic? i thought the latter was just a bit more politically correct term... 12:30:46 oerjan: Pretty sure there is. 12:31:17 Seems not. 12:31:20 I was sure there was a minor difference. 12:31:37 Anyway, yeah. 12:31:38 ais523: In what OS? 12:31:46 But yes; JS exposes it. 12:31:53 ehird: CentOS 12:32:00 GNOME settings./ 12:32:01 *settings. 12:32:08 oh wait 12:32:13 http://www.pageresource.com/jscript/jscreen.htm 12:32:15 it's actually the other way around 12:32:21 screen.width 12:32:23 screen.height 12:32:23 setings seem locked down 12:32:31 "Sociopathy is no longer a correct term to use, and when it is used it actually refers to what is considered Antisocial Personality Disorder." 12:32:34 javascript:alert(screen.width+"x"+screen.height) 12:32:37 ais523: javascript:alert(screen.width+"x"+screen.height) 12:32:52 seems this is 1024x768 12:32:53 I did think it was 12:32:57 but couldn't quite believe it 12:33:18 still, I grew up in an environment where 1024x768 was a lot 12:33:42 * ehird receives a spam addressed to penguinmonkey@hotmail.com, penguinmouse@hotmail.com, penguinmuncher@msn.com, penguinn@live.com, penguinocanada@hotmail.com, penguinofdeath@msn.com, penguinofthegods@gmail.com, penguinoh@hotmail.com, and penguinonshromes@hotmail.com 12:33:49 How strange. 12:34:03 Email itself is rather typical: "hey! just browsing people in my area im new here and saw your pic (youre totally cute and my type) add me on windowwslive messengor paris21tina@hotmail.com is my name on it, add me on it because i dont use email much. i have a built in cam on this new laptop i got so i can send you some photos of myself as well. ttys i hope! " 12:34:22 Got another one with similarly penguin-related names from another name and a different address. 12:34:24 I haven't seen spam like that before 12:34:26 Spam-reported-magick! 12:34:41 ais523: Obviously you're not totally cute and her type! 12:34:43 what would happen if you did add them on wlm? 12:34:58 Deewiant: I think at least one of them is a he 12:35:02 they'd spam you there too? 12:35:05 ais523: Link to a password-grabbing site, I imagine 12:35:17 could be 12:35:24 Like "Click here to see my photos http://stealpassword.badlyforgedsite.photosmagicomg.com/totallyfrommicrosoft/youcangiveusyourmsndetails" 12:35:34 I wonder if half the spammers in the world nowadays are doing it for fun, and don't have any idea how to profit from their spam 12:35:36 And then spam other people with it. 12:35:51 like the spambots which post random nonsense to wikis, without any URLs or anything like that 12:36:01 That's just testing whether they can be spammed easily, I think. 12:36:06 Before selling the URLs. 12:36:58 ehird: ah, interesting 12:37:11 * AnMaster curses the voice saying "You now have number 78. Estimated waiting time is 50 minutes" 12:37:38 "Sorry for the interruption. We have been receiving a large volume of requests from your network. To continue with your YouTube experience, please enter the verification code below." 12:37:42 No shit, it's a crazy 3G stick thing 12:37:49 ("YouTube experience") 12:37:55 WHERE DO YOU WANT TO GO TODAY 12:38:00 ehird, hm so you are behind NAT? 12:38:06 or something 12:38:07 Probably. 12:38:09 ouch 12:38:25 ehird: i have certainly received spam that looked like the recipients were part of an alphabetic list before... 12:38:30 -!- dbc has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 12:38:30 -!- Deewiant has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 12:38:36 I can't complain; I'm getting almost a megabit indoors in a village. 12:38:44 And only ~300ms latency. 12:38:46 Based on those email addresses, "her type" must equal penguins. 12:38:47 With no wires! 12:39:01 ehird: hexham? or somewhere else? 12:39:07 ehird: i have certainly received spam that looked like the recipients were part of an alphabetic list before... <-- yeah that is quite common 12:39:09 ais523: I moved, yeah? 12:39:13 Didn't you get the memo? :P 12:39:19 I'm vaguely aware that you moved 12:39:22 I have no idea how far, though 12:39:33 Like, less than five miles, probably? 12:39:34 and if the list is huge enough, it could certainly contain only penguins... 12:40:01 It's very close to Prudhoe, anyway. 12:40:09 -!- Deewiant has joined. 12:40:13 ok, now you live somewhere I /haven't/ heard of 12:40:15 (in the current part) 12:40:22 although, I presume you were surprised I'd even heard of Hexham in the first place 12:40:37 -!- dbc has joined. 12:40:38 oerjan, iwc 12:40:56 ais523: Very easy way to find out: It's a small village near Prudhoe that shares all but the suffix of its name with a village right next to it. 12:41:10 (Like "Poopunt", "Pooplee".) 12:41:29 Prudhoe? 12:41:33 lovely name 12:41:45 AnMaster: But it's almost "prude ho"! 12:42:00 Lived in Prudhoe before Hexham, anyawy. 12:42:02 *anyway 12:42:02 ehird, to me it looked more like "prod hoe" 12:42:08 (pre-2004) 12:42:14 -!- Deewiant has quit (Client Quit). 12:42:14 AnMaster: It's pronounced "prud oh" 12:42:24 -!- Deewiant has joined. 12:42:26 Oh, Google Maps actually classes it as in Prudhoe 12:42:28 This village 12:42:29 ehird, oh 12:42:53 ehird, be happy it was a p and not a c at least 12:43:21 Just checked; the village is 10 miles away from Hexham. 12:43:21 9.9, technically. 12:43:46 2.3 miles away from Prudhoe. 12:44:15 On one zoom level, there's a Ovington/Ovingham pair of labels that fill the criterion maybe. 12:44:27 ehird, is that mile the one that is roughly 1.6 km? 12:44:31 Ding! 12:44:32 It's Ovington. 12:44:36 AnMaster: I clearly mean nautical miles. 12:44:42 not 12:44:48 ehird, there is a third option. 12:44:51 Yes, mile = 1.60 km. 12:44:55 Swedish miles. Which are 10 km 12:45:05 How strange. 12:45:19 that was more unlikely though 12:45:29 Yes... 12:45:30 metric miles in norway too 12:45:52 oerjan, ah then it isn't just Sweden that use that 12:45:54 http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=prudhoe&sll=52.66972,-1.933594&sspn=25.669598,53.481445&ll=54.968654,-1.89777&spn=0.0059,0.013057&t=h&z=17 -- that's a tiny place. 12:45:55 AnMaster: Especially as I estimated it as <5miles. 12:45:58 yeah metric miles is a good name 12:46:09 Rather hard not to notice the difference between <50 miles and 100 miles. 12:46:26 ehird, nautical miles wasn't completely impossible though. 12:46:32 Also, you *were* here when I moved; I wasn't more than an hour or so. 12:46:41 AnMaster: Well, I didn't go in a boat. 12:46:50 ehird, I think the verb had an accident there 12:47:07 Eh? 12:47:09 ehird, also nm is used for aviation too 12:47:12 fizzie: What, Prudhoe? 12:47:17 " Also, you *were* here when I moved; I wasn't [away] more than an hour or so." 12:47:21 Prudhoe isn't tiny. 12:47:27 It's just small. 12:47:27 wait no not verb 12:47:29 hm 12:47:34 *Ovington* is tiny. 12:47:44 noun? "an away". no... 12:47:46 AnMaster: No, what I said was valid. 12:47:50 That link points to Ovington; at least it tries to point what google labels as that. 12:47:50 away is an adjective. 12:47:56 Err, or is it? 12:47:58 I don't actually know. 12:47:58 ehird, not adverb? 12:48:02 fizzie: You linked to Prudhoe. 12:48:13 http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Ovington,+Prudhoe,+Northumberland,+UK&sll=54.968654,-1.89777&sspn=0.003597,0.007961&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Ovington,+Prudhoe,+Northumberland,+United+Kingdom&t=h&z=13 12:48:17 ↑ Ovington. 12:48:35 AnMaster: No, not an adverb. 12:48:38 That link points to Ovington; at least it tries to point what google labels as that. <-- no it pointed to prudho... for me 12:48:40 That's what I get (though zoomed in a lot) when I open my link. 12:48:51 AnMaster: actually wikipedia calls somethign else metric mile, ours is the scandinavian mile 12:48:53 fizzie: Well, you're on crack. 12:48:55 The page says prudhoe but the location on the map is ovington. 12:48:58 oerjan, ah 12:48:59 I mean, the q= string says Prudhoe, but that's just because it's what I used to find it. 12:49:34 apparently the old norwegian and swedish mile, while different, were both 10-12 km 12:49:36 fizzie: I clicked it; I know what it comes up with. :P 12:49:41 wow: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ovington,_Northumberland 12:49:53 We have a WP article?! 12:49:54 I wasn't certain there'd be a Wikipedia article on it 12:50:00 I couldn't even find any relevant results on Google 12:50:04 but they have been trying to add articles on everything larger than a hamlet in the entire world 12:50:05 Argh, my mouse lags so 12:50:13 so I'm not surprised that someone went through it 12:50:19 I /am/ surprised that it's more than a stat dump, though 12:50:31 No population stats. 12:50:33 Shame. 12:50:51 AnMaster: also the metric system was introduced during the swedish-norwegian union, so not strange that we share it 12:50:53 heh, it spends an entire paragraph on how they hardly have a clue about its history 12:51:03 My father's birthplace is probably equally tiny, and it has a wp article too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mätäsvaara 12:51:07 Now *that's* a stub. 12:51:14 oerjan, true. We did some good over there in Norway after all ;P 12:51:36 fizzie: Tempted to replace it with "Mätäsvaara is a village." 12:52:20 Ovington House bed and breakfast accommodation in Ovington ... 12:52:20 Ovington House bed and breakfast accommodation, Ovington, Northumberland situated close to Newcastle upon Tyne and the Roman Wall offers a warm welcome to ... 12:52:27 Adding "Northumberland" to my query seems to haev helped. 12:52:42 fi.wikipedia has some details too; there's a mine, there, that's about it. 12:56:12 http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3511/4012519527_dd1a95b262_b.jpg 12:56:51 :-D 12:58:13 Hooray for PHP: 1 == TRUE == "x" == 0 == "" == NULL == FALSE 12:58:24 Yes. 13:09:35 -!- MizardX has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 13:09:35 -!- puzzlet has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 13:09:35 -!- EgoBot has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 13:09:35 -!- ais523 has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 13:09:36 -!- Slereah has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 13:09:36 -!- Cerise has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 13:09:36 -!- Deewiant has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 13:09:36 -!- ehird has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 13:09:37 -!- fizziew has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 13:09:37 -!- Gracenotes has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 13:09:40 -!- dbc has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 13:09:40 -!- jix has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 13:09:40 -!- ineiros has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 13:09:40 -!- Ilari has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 13:09:41 -!- FireFly has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 13:09:42 -!- bsmntbombdood has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 13:09:42 -!- SimonRC has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 13:09:43 -!- augur has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 13:09:43 -!- AnMaster has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 13:09:44 -!- Warrigal has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 13:09:44 -!- HackEgo has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 13:09:44 -!- mtve has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 13:09:45 -!- coppro has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 13:09:45 -!- fizzie has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 13:09:46 -!- Leonidas has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 13:09:46 -!- zbrown has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 13:09:46 -!- sebbu2 has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 13:09:46 -!- pikhq has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 13:09:46 -!- Gregor has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 13:09:46 -!- comex_ has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 13:09:46 -!- oerjan has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 13:09:46 -!- Pthing has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 13:09:47 -!- olsner has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 13:09:47 -!- rodgort has quit (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 13:10:47 -!- Deewiant has joined. 13:10:47 -!- dbc has joined. 13:10:47 -!- oerjan has joined. 13:10:47 -!- ais523 has joined. 13:10:47 -!- jix has joined. 13:10:47 -!- FireFly has joined. 13:10:47 -!- ehird has joined. 13:10:47 -!- MizardX has joined. 13:10:47 -!- Pthing has joined. 13:10:47 -!- augur has joined. 13:10:47 -!- coppro has joined. 13:10:47 -!- olsner has joined. 13:10:47 -!- fizziew has joined. 13:10:47 -!- Warrigal has joined. 13:10:47 -!- mtve has joined. 13:10:47 -!- HackEgo has joined. 13:10:47 -!- comex_ has joined. 13:10:47 -!- Leonidas has joined. 13:10:47 -!- pikhq has joined. 13:10:47 -!- Ilari has joined. 13:10:47 -!- rodgort has joined. 13:10:47 -!- EgoBot has joined. 13:10:47 -!- Cerise has joined. 13:10:47 -!- Gregor has joined. 13:10:47 -!- SimonRC has joined. 13:10:47 -!- puzzlet has joined. 13:10:47 -!- fizzie has joined. 13:10:47 -!- bsmntbombdood has joined. 13:10:47 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 13:10:47 -!- AnMaster has joined. 13:10:47 -!- Gracenotes has joined. 13:10:47 -!- Slereah has joined. 13:10:47 -!- zbrown has joined. 13:10:47 -!- ineiros has joined. 13:11:11 Deewiant: You ought to reply to the elitekeyboards owner on geekhack.org; he's claiming that the zeros have zero problems whatsoever at speeds well above 115WPM and it's all the typist's fault 13:11:11 "liitumassan kiskojakit" would be something like "rail-yaks of the chalk mass". 13:11:12 xD 13:11:12 I like how concisely you can express that 13:12:02 So: Isaiah is a powerful draw, and the rail-yaks of the chalk mass. (Reference transcript through google-translate: "big and powerful locomotive was coming along rails".) 13:12:11 xD 13:12:30 Hey, there's two correct words an all. 13:13:00 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 13:14:15 http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2009/10/3/151357/469 13:16:10 -!- zbrown has left (?). 13:18:37 fizzie: "Iso ja voimakas veturi oli tulossa kiskoja pitkin"? 13:18:47 Deewiant: Yes. 13:19:17 Deewiant: You have solved the riddle! You get 15 points. Points can be exchanged for other, identical points. 13:19:29 Not /too/ far off the mark, then. If it hadn't lost the "ri" and the "kin" at the end it might've been a lot better. 13:19:35 what about differently colored points? 13:20:04 fizzie: Cool! I'll exchange ten of my points for ten points and then combine it with the remaining five to get 15 points 13:20:16 Done! You now have 15 points. 13:20:23 Awesome! 13:20:31 fizzie: I exchange my 0 points with MISSINGNO points. 13:20:47 i stealthily paint one of Deewiant's points yellow 13:20:49 (It's a wildcard that equals how many points you exchange it for) 13:20:54 (Very handy) 13:21:02 ehird: Done! You now have Äñ0ê:ìgLARø9hZDݟÔùyu=IwåEæwV^ûW³iùø¢... NO CARRIER 13:21:19 Sweet! 13:21:57 fizzie: I purchase a CARRIER. 13:22:21 You have an AIRCRAFT CARRIER. This means war! 13:23:00 * oerjan lends ehird the swatter to swat incoming aircraft -----### 13:23:14 I fly my AIRCRAFT CARRIER over to Deewiant's head and drop my Äñ0ê:ìgLARø9hZDݟÔùyu=IwåEæwV^ûW³iùø¢ on him. 13:23:40 I throw my yellow point at the Äñ0ê:ìgLARø9hZDݟÔùyu=IwåEæwV^ûW³iùø¢ 13:23:57 I swat the yellow point before it hits me. 13:24:03 You are bad at aiming. 13:24:19 Bah. 13:24:27 There goes my only yellow point. 13:24:32 MWAHAHA 13:24:47 I sneakily steal 7 of your 14 points. 13:24:57 With my AIRCRAFT CARRIER's point-steal-o-motron. 13:25:19 I fly off into the distance, inexplicably slow-mo as my AIRCRAFT CARRIER just barely outruns an explosion. 13:25:21 I use my remaining 7 points to buy 7 AIRCRAFT CARRIERs. 13:25:35 Slow-mo :-D 13:26:15 I use my 7 points to buy three and a half BETTER AIRCRAFT CARRIERs. 13:26:51 I grab the yellow point you swatted away and use it to buy an ULTIMATE AIRCRAFT CARRIER. 13:27:34 I sell my AIRCRAFT CARRIER for a point, buy jet black paint for a point, and hastily paint my BETTER AIRCRAFT CARRIERs, thus making them ULTIMATE AIRCRAFT CARRIERs. 13:27:49 Oh, and also the half BETTER AIRCRAFT CARRIER. 13:27:54 It becomes an ULTIMATE HALF OF AN AIRCRAFT CARRIER. 13:27:58 xD 13:28:05 you fail. there was only enough black paint for a point, not a whole carrier. 13:28:14 oerjan: THAT IS NOT HOW THE ECONOMY WORKS 13:28:31 But fine, I paint a point black and use my black point to buy a shit ton of jet black paint right before I started painting them 13:29:12 This economy is kinda broken what with just painting a point making it a shit ton more valuable while the paint itself is cheap 13:29:22 Damn stagflation 13:30:06 at least this economy has a point. 13:30:12 I fly my ULTIMATE HALF OF AN AIRCRAFT over to Deewiant and steal his complete lack of an anvil a few meters above his head. 13:30:37 erm 13:30:42 I fly my ULTIMATE HALF OF AN AIRCRAFT CARRIER over to Deewiant and steal his complete lack of an anvil a few meters above his head. 13:30:50 In response I steal the complete lack of the absence of an ULTIMATE HALF OF AN AIRCRAFT CARRIER near you 13:31:08 But I don't have that; after all, around me is near me. 13:31:17 And there is an ULTIMATE HALF OF AN AIRCRAFT CARRIER around me. 13:31:28 Before you can reword, I fly off into the distance. 13:31:34 You are wrong. 13:31:42 Inexplicably fast-mo as I get chased by a bird with the Benny Hill music playing. 13:32:00 Deewiant: Howso 13:32:17 Around you is X, so you lack the absence of X around you. 13:32:34 Oh, very true 13:32:52 A time paradox occurs and it turns out that that bird was just chasing me hovering in the air somehow. 13:32:52 * oerjan declares use of double negation a war crime 13:33:19 " I fly my AIRCRAFT CARRIER" <-- wait... what? 13:33:50 I swat my lack of 2 points to death. I purchase some jet black paint with one point, paint the other point and buy a bomb with the painted point. 13:33:53 AnMaster: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airborne_aircraft_carrier 13:34:05 Now I have: 3 ULTIMATE AIRCRAFT CARRIERS; a bomb 13:34:19 Deewiant: Hey, I didn't even notice, heh 13:34:26 >_< 13:34:40 Deewiant, oh. right. They aren't usually what the term "aircraft carrier" refers to though. 13:34:41 I exchange your continuous linguistic failure for 10 points 13:34:46 Dammit 13:35:36 I ... whatever the verb is for water, like "fly" for air ... an ULTIMATE AIRCRAFT CARRIER, and switch it into flight mode. It takes off into the air, and I exchange my badassery for 10 points. 13:36:02 I do the whole buy-paint-and-repaint-ad-infinitum thing and end up with a rainbow-colored point which I exchange for an INTERGALACTIC STARFIGHTER CARRIER. I head into orbit. 13:36:16 I laugh IRL. 13:36:35 * oerjan flees this universe before the escalating war destroys it 13:36:40 I purchase the All-Encompassing Space Empire with charm; good looks. 13:37:22 I swat someone until they give me a point, which I use to buy some rope. 13:37:48 I tie my three ULTIMATE AIRCRAFT CARRIERS together, thus making them into an INEXPLICABLY SPACE-FARING ULTIMATE THREE AIRCRAFT CARRIERS TIED TOGETHER. 13:38:08 I head into orbit around Deewiant's INTERGALACTIC STARFIGHTER CARRIER. 13:38:14 I rush into the asteroid belt and mine the rocks for 100 points, which I swiftly furbish into 10 rainbow-coloured points. 13:38:29 I throw a Furby at Deewiant. 13:38:47 another war crime! 13:38:48 I rent a DIMENSIONAL PORTAL and, leaving my INTERGALACTIC STARFIGHTER CARRIER behind as a decoy, flee to wherever oerjan went. 13:39:33 Your Furby impacts with the CARRIER and bounces off harmlessly. 13:39:42 I said at you, not at the CARRIER. 13:39:48 I grab a point from some random peon in the Empire and ascend to a higher plane of existence by jumping into space and suffocating; at the very moment I die, I eat the point. 13:39:55 You suck at throwing as much as I do. 13:40:14 I navigate to Deewiant's trans-dimensional plane axis. 13:40:22 I exhume myself right next to Deewiant, and punch him. 13:40:31 Ow. 13:40:37 I punch Deewiant. 13:40:43 Ow. 13:40:46 I punch Deewiant. 13:40:47 Ow. 13:40:52 Ow. 13:41:05 * oerjan sneaks back to the old universe and closes the portal behind him 13:41:27 I climb into Deewiant's space-suit and smash the window. 13:41:49 "I climb into Deewiant's space-suit" sounds like the start of some sort of indecent slashfic. 13:41:52 As Deewiant floats out, grasping for air, I steal: 2 points; lint. 13:41:57 fizzie: xD 13:42:02 I dispel any notions of slashficcery. 13:42:16 Deewiant: Is that your "oh god I need oxygen" face? 13:42:33 (Or are you just happy to *swatted* 13:42:43 fizzie, heh 13:43:06 oerjan, good job 13:43:12 I mutter "it's full of stars" and whatnot as a result of oxygen deprivation and being in outer space. 13:43:18 * oerjan retrieves the swatter from the CARRIER 13:43:30 oerjan, what? ehird stole your swatter too? 13:43:32 Hey, I still have my own swatter you know. 13:43:34 or was it Deewiant who did 13:43:44 no, i lent it to him 13:43:44 AnMaster: No, oerjan lent me his. 13:43:47 ah 13:43:51 I gather he has an infinite amount of them. 13:44:02 that is classified information 13:44:06 what sort of infinite? 13:44:21 * AnMaster suspects uncountably infinite at least. 13:44:32 I swat Deewiant a few times, decide that this is getting boring, do the whole suffocation-absorbtion-into-hyperdimensional-plane spiel, except this time with Deewiant, not the point. 13:44:57 there is only one true swatter. the number of decoys is, however, classified. 13:44:58 I promptly separate from Deewiant and jump back into the hyperspatial axis of the universe we were in, this time in the CARRIER, next to oerjan. 13:45:17 I regret starting the whole point thing. 13:45:21 * oerjan points out that ehird is dead in this universe 13:45:37 oerjan: I have a license to be a non-brain-desiring zombie. 13:45:41 Oh, you POINT out. I see what you did there! 13:45:51 Groan. 13:46:09 ehird: This is why "pun not intended" is useful. 13:46:13 Is Deewiant still in the hyperdimensional plane? That would explain his INEXPLICABLE SILENCE. 13:46:22 Bad timing! 13:46:43 Anyway, I exhume myself since I forgot to. Hi oerjan! 13:46:52 if i left it in after adding "pun not intended", it would be a lie 13:47:50 I tap my fingers waiting for Deewiant. 13:47:58 Got any points, oerjan? I need to do something. 13:48:03 nope 13:48:12 i am completely pointless 13:48:24 * oerjan ducks out of the CARRIER 13:48:26 Good! Then you won't mind... I sell oerjan as a slave, gaining 2 points. 13:48:33 too late! 13:48:40 Curses! Foiled again! 13:48:46 * oerjan runs away, bumping into a car, which explodes 13:49:10 I fly my CARRIER over to oerjan, pick him up, sell him as a slave for 1 and a half points. 13:49:15 (He's known to be volatile now.) 13:49:39 I do the whole paint spiel to get myself a rainbow point, and buy a mountain made out of LSD. 13:49:48 someone once claimed to me that oerjan means "slave" in finnish 13:50:05 Almost 13:50:18 You'll need to remove the e and the n to get there 13:50:22 I give away LSD liberally, and become president of the universe. 13:50:28 ah. 13:50:33 Removing just the e will get you "slave's" 13:50:49 -!- puzzlet_ has joined. 13:51:17 I jump into the hyperdimensional planevortexthing with a sample of the mountain, force-feed it to Deewiant's astral plane existence, and drop back into whence I came, where we use less bullshit-filled terms. 13:51:22 ehird: I thought you already had an All-Encompassing Space Empire? 13:51:25 Deewiant: It's also the correct accusative case; "I buy a slave" -- "ostan orjan". 13:51:32 Deewiant: Yes, turns out that means "some kid's lawn". 13:51:36 I WAS SCAMMED 13:51:39 ehird: Oh. Darn. 13:52:05 [Deewiant runs into an elephant which is planet earth. It flips his 4th-dimensional superspace and he turns into a mushroom.] 13:52:21 [The walls, of which there aren't any, melt.] 13:52:28 badger badger 13:53:09 [White noise fills existence. A bellowing vortex shouts: "''hhhow many things are' things? ! i would like to KNOw!". Your fffffffffffffffffffaaaaaaaaaaaaaaccccccceeeeeeee is murdered all pinky-shaded.] 13:53:25 I take it you have no intention of moving. :P 13:54:29 [The carcass of Jesus' face talks about Proust.] 13:56:04 [Existence quietly takes itself out the back and shoots itself in the head. All things are over. Everyone loses.] 13:56:41 All points are lost. Fortunately. 13:56:46 [The sublime superliminal energy of the points absorbs itself and tries an odd contortionist position that's all the rage known as the Big Bang. Some rag-tag hooligan universe gets all started and excited and only lasts some billions of years.] 13:56:59 [oerjan's statement notwithstands, due to being said not in brackets by a man who does not exist.] 13:57:26 It was true. From a point of view. 13:57:38 ...and that, kids, is the worst creation myth ever dreamt of. 13:57:46 i doubt it. 13:58:56 Pretty fun though. 14:03:48 -!- puzzlet has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 14:17:44 -!- jix has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). 14:40:43 -!- MigoMipo has quit. 14:56:07 -!- jix has joined. 14:57:28 -!- jix has quit (Remote closed the connection). 15:32:19 Distributed hashtable + ants = ants? 15:32:49 well i suppose if the ants ate the hashtable... 15:33:02 No. NO EATING ALLOWED 15:33:16 but - the poor ants! 15:33:45 ...okay 15:33:46 They can eeat 15:33:48 *eat 15:34:17 splendid 15:34:23 BUT 15:34:34 Distributed hashtable + HYPOTHETICALLY NON-EATING ants = ants? 15:34:41 they're very good at distributing 15:34:55 or perhaps rather UN-distributing 15:37:14 -!- coppro has quit ("I am leaving. You are about to explode."). 15:42:09 HO)W DEAD ARE yo§± 15:45:47 oerjan: why does anyone wants to distribute united nations? 15:45:57 -!- fizziew has quit (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)). 15:46:17 well they are still missing a few parts 15:46:22 such as the vatican 15:46:57 THE VATICAN CITY AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA 15:47:01 where the trees are birdses. 15:47:14 they are? 15:47:22 fascinating. 15:47:22 totall-fucking-y 15:47:30 fascistinating, more like. like. 15:47:34 ya'know. 15:49:33 SO MUCH FUNU TO BE HAD WHEN YOU'RE IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIN THE VATICAN CIIIIIIIIIIIIITYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa 15:49:43 *FUN *FUN *FUN *FUN *FUN *FUN *FUN my v key is broken? 15:49:50 so THAT'S why I keep getting stuck at v in finger frenzy! 15:50:19 fg ggfgggggggggggggggggggggggggg9gggggge bbcccb 15:50:42 ehird, sometimes a bit heavy on the fun 15:50:56 totally heavy fun extreme sports 2 15:51:15 "HARDCORING UP YOUR STREET, MEET " 15:51:59 -!- kar8nga has joined. 15:54:27 i maxed out a poodle and then it exploded 15:55:06 wow, you lot invented an entire economy while I was afk? 15:55:30 Yep 15:55:39 And destroyed it 15:55:43 And made it responsible for the creation of our universe 15:55:45 You know... the usual 15:55:56 * ais523 exchanges one of ehird's points for 5 mackerel 15:56:06 Sorry, no can do; the points are all gone. 15:56:19 beh 15:56:23 I don't see why we can't have negative points 15:56:49 ais523: "[The sublime superliminal energy of the points absorbs itself and tries an odd contortionist position that's all the rage known as the Big Bang. Some rag-tag hooligan universe gets all started and excited and only lasts some billions of years.]" 15:57:13 Technically you COULD exchange them, but only if you had a way of ripping apart the 1-dimensional fabric of the universe. 15:57:41 Also, a point is worth something like a billion trajillion mackerel. 15:57:52 Except when considering paint; it's worth 0.5 mackerel or so then. 15:58:15 yeah that would take a large collider or something, to crack hadrons into points 15:58:27 5 points to a mackerel, it's a fundamental rule of at least two universes, one of which no longer exists and the other of which has not yet come into being 15:58:31 would completely unravel the universe, of course 15:58:44 Erm, the reverse, ais523 15:58:48 1 point to 5 mackerel, no? 15:59:03 oerjan: You can convert sexlua energy into points? 15:59:05 SCIENCE NOWADAYS! 15:59:08 oh, yes 15:59:13 *sexula 15:59:13 sorry, you're right 15:59:17 1 point = 5 mackerel 15:59:29 Yes, well, our points are super points. 15:59:29 And we can paint them! 16:00:22 with tomato sauce! 16:00:43 No! YOU ARE ALL UNCANONICAL, DAMMIT! 16:01:46 UNCANONICAL RABBITS 16:01:52 loose canons, everyone 16:02:33 Loose rabikts kdsf 16:02:40 I am not sleep-deprived, incidentally. 16:04:13 just sense-deprived 16:04:47 I AM ALWAYS DEPRIVED OF SCENT 16:04:58 i burst my keyboard typing that last sentence. who knew it was full of water. 16:05:14 ehird: your keyboard was full of water? 16:05:25 also, really what is up with you and keyboards? 16:05:25 Toooooooooootally. And a thousand pins. 16:05:27 They are painful. 16:05:29 it's one of those fancy inflatable ones, clearly 16:05:36 I am bleeding! I am made of gel, or so I hear. 16:06:00 actually, a water-filled keyboard isn't utterly implausible 16:06:03 I jumped out the window about a millisecond ago; any tips for preparation in my new, post-self-defenestration life? 16:06:15 Ooh, I feel a lot of that "pain" thing. This is fun! 16:06:51 one of my colleagues was rubber-ducking at me and came over to look at the channel just then 16:06:58 ehird: i suggest getting one of those self-preservation instincts 16:07:00 I said we were discussing keyboards 16:07:19 oerjan: are they expensive? 16:07:31 ais523: I don't assume they bought it... 16:07:45 I RUIN EVERYTHING :D 16:08:00 meh, he's embarassed anyway because I laugh at him when he sings 16:08:01 Oh god, there's a finger frenzy 2. 16:08:04 because it's funny 16:08:09 ehird: only if you get it from experience 16:08:12 Normally I laugh at unfunny things 16:08:26 why? 16:08:45 IT'S IMPOSSIBLE 16:08:55 ais523: I was just commenting on "because it's funny" 16:09:09 `define rubber-ducking 16:09:10 No output. 16:09:22 oerjan: describing a problem to someone who doesn't understand it 16:09:32 huh 16:09:33 in the hope that you'll realise what the solution is as a result 16:09:47 after a while, it was realised that the second person isn't actually necessary 16:09:50 It's called rubber-ducking because you can do it without annoying other people. 16:09:52 so they replaced it with a rubbr duck 16:09:57 *rubber 16:09:58 Has your colleague realised this? :P 16:10:23 * ais523 wonders when it'll be generally realised that the rubber duck isn't necessary either 16:10:47 the mental hospital will fill up with programmers 16:10:50 ais523: not true, it is important to have focus points :D 16:12:23 ~ the science of goats ! 16:12:27 ~ the science of goats ~ 16:12:30 the science of getting your headings wrong 16:20:23 -!- bsmntbombdood has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 16:21:20 -!- bsmntbombdood has joined. 16:25:17 -!- jix has joined. 16:34:30 -!- ais523 has quit ("Page closed"). 16:35:29 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has joined. 16:39:47 -!- bsmntbombdood has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 16:41:34 -!- adam_d has joined. 16:44:04 -!- bsmntbombdood has joined. 16:48:13 -!- Slereah_ has joined. 16:53:18 -!- bsmntbombdood has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). 16:57:59 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has quit (Remote closed the connection). 17:03:33 -!- Slereah has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 17:10:01 -!- bsmntbombdood has joined. 17:17:48 -!- oerjan has quit ("Good night"). 17:28:16 -!- Asztal has joined. 17:37:12 http://www.digibarn.com/collections/systems/apple-lisa2xl/apple_lisa_screenshot.gif ;; what was up with the Lisa's funny "w"? 17:41:39 -!- groonrix has joined. 17:41:50 EgoBot 17:41:58 HELLO 17:42:22 * groonrix hi 17:42:41 * groonrix waves hello 17:44:07 clear 17:45:13 lol 17:45:27 a lot of patience you have there groonrix 17:45:44 Huh? 17:45:59 I just started exploring IRC 17:46:05 Sorry if you're interrupted 17:46:17 -!- groonrix has quit (Client Quit). 17:46:55 well someone needs ADHD meds... 17:46:56 -!- groonrix has joined. 17:47:02 y helo dar 17:47:36 I've heard that it is possible to use EgoBot in order to translate text into Brainfuck printing sequence 17:47:41 Any idea how should I do that? 17:47:45 !bf_txtgen 17:47:48 20 ++[>+++++>>><<<<-]>. [17] 17:47:52 !bf_txtgen holy butt festival; festival of butts 17:47:54 397 +++++++++++++++[>+++++++>+++++++>++++++++>++<<<<-]>>-.+++++++.---.>+.>++.<<<-------.>>----.<++++++++.>-.>.++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.-.<-.+.-----------.<++.<-.>----------.-------------------------------------------------.---------------------------.>>+.-.++++++++++++++.+.<.>++.<<<.>>+++.<.>+++.<<+++++.>.<----.>>>-.<+++++.>-.-.<<----------------------. [894] 17:48:02 [17:47] ehird: !bf_txtgen 17:48:02 [17:47] EgoBot: 20 ++[>+++++>>><<<<-]>. [17] 17:48:05 that's some efficient printing 17:48:12 well technically it's printing a newline 17:48:13 but, err 17:48:16 ++++++++++. 17:48:17 :D 17:48:27 Alright! Thanks a lot buddy! 17:51:31 -!- groonrix has quit (Client Quit). 17:53:30 -!- kar8nga has quit (Remote closed the connection). 17:57:29 i burst my keyboard typing that last sentence. who knew it was full of water. <-- wth 17:57:47 jelly! whole piles of jelly! stuck to my ceiling! 18:00:49 -!- fax has joined. 18:01:32 hi fax 18:04:33 -!- Guest76637 has joined. 18:12:29 -!- BeholdMyGlory has joined. 18:21:40 -!- Gracenotes has quit (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)). 18:23:33 -!- fax has quit (Connection timed out). 18:25:11 -!- Gracenotes has joined. 18:48:20 making a 4x3 font sure is hard 18:50:08 especially lowercase i 18:50:13 i think doing italics first would be easier... 18:54:28 -!- jix has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)). 19:12:06 -!- Gracenotes has quit (Remote closed the connection). 19:12:08 -!- jix has joined. 20:01:19 -!- fax has joined. 20:07:57 4px wide? 20:16:10 -!- ehird has quit (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)). 20:19:08 FireFly, possibly, but that seems odd 20:19:30 Indeed, but I'm used to seeing dimensions as width times height.. 20:19:33 anyway 4x3 isn't readable 20:19:42 nor 3x4 20:20:13 I once made a quite neat 3x5 font 20:20:28 * AnMaster wonders how many possible 4x3 patterns there are 20:20:59 well, easy enough to calculate it. First reduce it to a single line, then caclulate possible permutations. I think. 20:21:21 (reduce to single line would mean "caclulate 4*3") 20:21:31 it depends if it's black and white or not 20:21:43 I've seen a nice anti-aliased font of around that size 20:21:44 Asztal, I assumed 2 colours only 20:21:49 but hm 20:22:13 Asztal, I can't imagine how you can represent something like ä in it 20:22:18 or å 20:22:28 and don't forget Å 20:22:29 Meh 20:22:35 Who needs internationalization? 20:22:59 FireFly, I guess you never write in Swedish. Ever. ;P 20:23:12 Of course I don't 20:23:22 ... but you live in Sweden. 20:23:31 ...I was joking ._. 20:23:37 FireFly, so was I 20:23:42 Good. 20:23:51 But, I think it depends on what you want to use the font for 20:24:03 FireFly, well I can't think of any use for such a small font 20:24:14 I mean, if you just need a small font for diplaying highscore in a game, you only need 0-9 20:24:17 mainly because even on ~90 dpi it is not readable 20:24:27 Imagine Chinese in a 4x3 font... 20:24:33 Asztal, no. Just no 20:24:47 3x5 is pretty nice if you allow one-pixel empty spaces between letters. 20:24:56 Black box followed by black box followed by black box, followed by black box... 20:24:59 4*3 = 4095 different 'characters', minus the fact that a bunch are just translations 20:25:22 -!- Guest76637 has changed nick to iamcal. 20:25:26 Nice arithmetics, "4*3 = 4095". 20:25:32 :P 20:25:41 (2 ^ (4*3)) - 1 20:26:05 Why -1, though? It's not like the empty character couldn't well denote a Chinese character. 20:26:11 Well, as well as any of the single-pixel ones. 20:26:30 a single pixel is a period or aposthrophe, depending on position 20:26:35 with 8 shades for each pixel, you could represent enough, though it might be _slightly_ hard to tell them apart... 20:26:36 empty is empty 20:26:40 iamcal, what if it is in the middle? 20:26:52 multiplication dot I would say. 20:26:54 en-dash 20:27:06 oh, good call 20:27:09 http://www.iamcal.com/misc/fonts/ 20:27:39 iamcal, at native size for my screen I would be utterly unable to read those 20:27:42 this is 114 dpi iirc 20:27:51 or whatever 20:27:54 forgot exact value 20:28:16 then i have reached my goal! 20:28:19 If you're making a special-purpose 4x3 font, you don't have to make do with "empty is empty"; it's not like Chinese-the-language uses spaces between words. 20:28:20 iamcal, oh? 20:28:57 pixel fonts are mostly a waste these days, with bigger screens 20:28:59 fizzie, isn't this basically a 2D barcode by now? 20:29:20 That rfk86 port I wrote uses a 4x6 font, with the rightmost column and bottom row empty for most glyphs; that's very readable as long as you can distinguish unique pixels. 20:29:37 fizzie, TI-82 is extremely low DPI though 20:29:47 if my TI-83+ is anything like it 20:30:08 I'm not sure how -82 is related, since I'm talking about the TI-86. 20:30:28 It's got a bit more pixels (128x64, vs. 96x64 in the 83+) but I guess pretty much the same DPI. 20:31:00 On the N900 3.5" 800x480 screen (266 DPI), you'd get a very unreadable 200x80-sized text mode with that 4x6 font; a single character would be a bit less than 0.4 mm times 0.6 mm. 20:32:17 fizzie, oh right 20:32:23 typoed 20:32:24 meant 86 20:32:41 fizzie, also odd it has a larger screen 20:32:50 it is supposed to be more primitive iirc? 20:33:17 fizzie, what is N900? 20:33:31 That Debian-phone by Nokia. 20:33:31 Smartphone? 20:33:35 ah 20:33:57 -!- Gracenotes has joined. 20:34:18 And I'm guessing 83+ inherited the 96x64 screen from the non-plus model, which was less capable than the 86. 20:35:47 (In fact primitiveness is still debatable; the 83+ has just 32K of RAM, while the 86 has 128K; it's just that on the 86 all programs have to be stored in the RAM, while the 83+ has that half-a-megabyte Flash for data storage. 20:38:56 s/$/)/, my punctuation stack is leaky. 20:44:40 -!- Gracenotes has quit (Remote closed the connection). 21:07:21 -!- jix has quit (Read error: 148 (No route to host)). 21:17:35 -!- ehird has joined. 21:22:29 12:07:57 4px wide? 21:22:29 yes 21:22:33 12:19:33 anyway 4x3 isn't readable 21:22:34 wrong 21:25:07 12:27:09 http://www.iamcal.com/misc/fonts/ 21:25:08 crisp! 21:25:27 hmm, and now I must break my three-long chain of one-word responses 21:25:51 ehird, what do you need a 4x3 font for? 21:26:01 What do you need Befunge for? 21:26:07 4x3 is readable? Really? 21:26:15 Deewiant: Blown up sufficiently and aspect-ratio-corrected, yes. 21:26:25 (Designed for a non-square-pixel display.) 21:26:28 (Imaginary, that is.) 21:26:30 Bah, it's cheating if you blow it up. 21:26:39 ehird, rephrasing... what made you make a 4x3 font? 21:26:46 So what? It was readable at the original resolution of the... um... comput-o-tron! 21:26:53 AnMaster: Why not? 21:26:59 I like very small fonts. 21:27:06 ehird, good answer. 21:29:21 -!- Guest76637 has joined. 21:32:50 An actually readable 4x3 font (I mean, assuming no extra space between rows or anything) sounds like quite a thing indeed, but I guess I shouldn't go calling it impossible without seeing it. 21:33:04 http://zem.fi/~fis/font.png has the rfk86 font. 21:33:32 That's double the amount of pixels, though. 21:35:25 I mean, it's readable on a low-PPI screen with non-square pixels. 21:35:33 (So that 4x3 is square.) 21:35:33 I mean, it will be. 21:35:37 Once I've crafted the perfect letter forms. 21:35:50 I think I'll make it italic; seems to be the best way to get the most readable shapes out of it. 21:37:28 Yes, well, do provide some block-of-text examples when it's done; I would think that with only three pixel rows, you'd have a problem with staying legible when the bottom pixels of row 1 are directly adjacent to the top pixels of row 2. 21:37:46 -!- iamcal has quit (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)). 21:37:48 Well, obviously I'll have spacing. 21:37:59 I'm idiotic, but I'm not stupid. 21:38:35 I wonder if there's a way to render a more italics-like. 21:38:38 #**# 21:38:40 *##* 21:38:44 #*** 21:38:46 is what I have now 21:39:02 Let me rephrase. 21:39:05 *##* 21:39:07 #**# 21:39:09 *### 21:39:22 # is on. 21:40:27 Bah, I'm downloading an imagery-software designed for pixel-poushing. 21:41:05 *pushing 21:42:32 -!- GreaseMonkey has joined. 21:47:31 fizzie: Admittedly it's not easy. 21:52:34 3x4, on the other hand, is almost criminally easy... 21:54:58 Not counting the spacing in the character cell dimensions is also cheating, you know. (Or alternatively a matter of definition. But no, cheating!) 21:55:31 Ooh, making the j be friends with the i is hard. 21:55:45 (Well, not really.) 21:56:21 fizzie: What if some of my letterforms are smaller than others? 21:56:21 Is that acceptable? :P 21:56:27 Proportionalism! 21:58:08 Oh geez, "m" is gonna be hard for 3x4. 21:58:55 Make sure to do it like this: http://typophile.com/node/61920 ;) 22:00:18 Old; I linked it in here days ago. 22:00:34 But it's not really 3 x-pixels, since the colour is vital. 22:00:43 Yeah, that's where I first saw it. 22:00:47 night ↑ 22:00:47 Still rather awesome. 22:00:56 More fun than the actual font, incidentally, is StoneCypher's posts. He needs to be put in a nice, fluffy building with people in white coats. 22:01:34 Especially the part where he claims that one of the people who REALLY pioneered this stuff broke his hand by punching a brick wall because of miha's evil thread title. (I'm not joking) 22:02:18 Gah, all my attempts at 3x4 "m"s look like small-caps Ts. 22:03:22 I can only imagine things that look like Hs 22:03:29 That too 22:04:02 Make sure to do it like this: http://typophile.com/node/61920 ;) <-- that hurts to read. Really 22:04:09 it is as bad as cleartype 22:04:13 AnMaster: No, it doesn't. 22:04:19 ehird, to me it does 22:04:30 Yes, but your eyes are broken. 22:04:32 colour bleed. 22:04:35 Deewiant: Remember that lowercase letters should generally forego the top letter :-P 22:04:53 AnMaster: Your screen sucks; yes there is colour bleed, no it does not hurt the eye 22:04:54 s/etter /ine / 22:04:58 -!- Gracenotes has joined. 22:05:01 (What's that? Exaggeration? Gasp) 22:05:03 Deewiant: Erm, yes 22:05:15 Deewiant: (Lowercase lines should generally forego the top letter?) 22:05:25 ehird, all colour bleed hurts badly IMO. Guess why even on my laptop I hate subpixel stuff 22:05:35 ehird: No. /etter /, not /etter/. 22:05:42 Deewiant: Ooops 22:06:04 I don't know why I even bother doing these things correctly since everybody reads it wrong anyways :-P 22:06:09 *Oops 22:06:28 AnMaster, I suspect you've just not seen any even vaguely decent subpixel rendering. Believe me, text without antialiasing really, really, *really* hurts to read. 22:06:29 AnMaster: Either you have the non-existent condition colourbleedipainfultis, your screens are jaw-droppingly terrible, or you're exaggerating 22:06:45 pikhq: Oh, he barfs even at OS X's. 22:06:57 pikhq, yes indeed. Which is why I use non-subpixel antialias 22:07:02 ehird: Wow. OS X does font rendering very, very well. 22:07:03 pikhq: He uses full-hinted greyscale antialiasing, which is basically like gently hovering pencil above a paper. 22:07:12 And then erasing it a few times. 22:07:15 -!- Gracenotes has quit (Client Quit). 22:07:21 Gives you a result about half as wispy as the text rendering. 22:07:28 ehird, turned off for small sizes 22:07:36 *facepalm* 22:07:43 which is 8 and below iirc 22:07:48 What? Antialiasing makes vector fonts READABLE at small sizes. 22:08:05 ehird, at small sizes I tend to use bitmap fonts anyway 22:08:16 * pikhq vomits 22:08:19 And never consume others' content, right. 22:08:36 pikhq: Hey now, bitmap Helvetica at 12px is a damn fine sharp font. 22:08:44 But properly subpixelled text is better, of course. 22:08:50 -!- Pthing has quit (Remote closed the connection). 22:09:04 ehird, yes bitmap Helvetica is awesome indeed. 22:09:15 so is good old Fixed. 22:09:17 Not what I said. 22:09:21 (some x11 font probably) 22:09:29 Fixed is Courier. 22:09:35 ehird: Well, yeah. It's kinda hard to screw up Helvetica. 22:09:36 ah right yes seems right 22:09:46 ehird, and courier is awsome 22:10:00 oh actually it was 6 and below AA was turned off for. 22:10:01 not 8 22:10:25 Why are you even using such small font sizes? 22:10:30 ehird, I'm not 22:10:34 I use 8 but nothing below 22:10:37 Then... 22:10:50 ehird, then it is completely irrelevant yes 22:12:16 SUDDENLY, HYPER-ADVANCED DIMENSIONAL VORTEX BEING 22:13:29 anyway 22:13:50 fully hinted greyscale AA is 1) readable 2) doesn't hurt my eyes due to colour bleed 22:15:37 Well, for the record (and I've said it before too) I do greyscale-only antialiased fonts too, because one of my screens has that 90 degree rotation, and I haven't managed to get Xinerama to provide different subpixel orders (rgb and vertical-rgb) for different screens, and anyway it's pretty ugly for the vertical-rgb screen. 22:16:43 I'd say that THE MAGICAL OS X could do that, but it probably can't. I'm not even sure how I'd go about setting up a rotated display. 22:17:15 It probably applies some sort of patch to physically rotate the subpixels back; it's that clever. 22:17:28 Yes. 22:17:37 Just plug it in, RRRRRRRRRRRRRIP, your display is all rotated. 22:26:33 -!- GreaseMonkey has quit ("HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.org <- Nobody cares enough to cybersquat it"). 22:46:11 -!- ehird has left (?). 22:46:17 -!- ehird has joined. 22:53:49 -!- adam_d has quit ("Leaving"). 22:54:23 I don't suppose anyone has a Mac Classic ROM just, you know, lying around? 23:02:02 -!- FireFly has quit ("Later"). 23:05:48 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Remote closed the connection). 23:09:09 Because that would be sweet. 23:47:29 -!- coppro has joined.