< 1256429854 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Cray stuff and the dynamic demo stuff was a bit of a disappointment; the actual alternative demo compo wasn't that bad, though. At least not everything in it. < 1256430244 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1256430259 0 :fax!n=somebody@unaffiliated/fax JOIN :#esoteric < 1256430490 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooo < 1256430568 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO < 1256430572 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, help me < 1256430573 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer: i could not fnord refrain from telling what i found was only this that the horses had become utterly frightful, and i therefore read long in the dark. there is little in common between garrulous country folk and a paralytic who cannot see, hear, or speak to them it may be that he also had distinct affections amongst the other cats in other parts of the < 1256430590 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1256430591 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1256430607 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see ya < 1256430609 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :peoples < 1256431448 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1256431449 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see ya < 1256431459 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to close my eyes now, though < 1256431460 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1256431464 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<- < 1256431466 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and by that < 1256431469 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean going to sleep < 1256431489 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah -> < 1256431517 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<- < 1256431557 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1256431588 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> -> <- <- -> -> -> <-<-<- < 1256431606 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a new esolang? < 1256431613 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DDR-based? < 1256431615 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_could_ be... < 1256431633 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deutsche demokratische republik < 1256431655 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1256432281 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1256433692 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes to bed
< 1256436153 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1256436254 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek backwards time travel! < 1256437663 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just messing with time. Wonder what stories will appear in RISKS this time... < 1256442518 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... On password hall of shame, one site is described as: "Permits only alphanumeric characters; passwords are case-insensitive; limits passwords to 20 characters". Hmm... Doesn't sound that bad to me. < 1256442683 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like, the sort of limitations real people have < 1256442894 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Entropy: ~103 bits. The strongest passwords I have had where ~59 bits... < 1256442921 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*were < 1256443221 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Case-insenstive alphanum racks ~5.17 bits of entropy per symbol. Printable ASCII racks ~6.57 (~6.55 without space). Couple extra symbols make up the difference. 11 symbol alphanum case-insensitive password is stronger than 8 symbol full printable ASCII. < 1256443743 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh... Unicode 5.2 adds some Egyptian Hieroglyphs.. < 1256443757 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1256444084 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also lots of SAMARITAN, CANADIAN SYLLABICS, TAI THAM, VEDIC, LISU, BAMUM, JAVANESE, TAI VIET, MEETEI MAYEK, IMPERIAL ARAMAIC, OLD SOUTH ARABIAN, AVESTAN, INSCRIPTIONAL PAHLAVI, OLD TURKIC, KAITHI stuff. < 1256444105 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go Canada! < 1256444159 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1256444160 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asztal: you want all space eliminated, than to wait for < 1256444172 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must be my DNS :( < 1256444706 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why it seems that all more serious "sudden acceleration" cases involve cars with automatic transmission and start buttons? < 1256444806 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe because they don't tend to have a mechanical safety mechanism to prevent the card from starting in anything but park? < 1256444819 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(might have something to do with clutch disconnecting engine from wheels, and traditional ignition key lock being able to mechanically disconnect ignition power...) < 1256444829 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal" < 1256444846 0 :Azstal!n=asztal@host86-166-171-19.range86-166.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1256444862 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Interesting fact: I have a tendency to park slightly uphill, meaning I sometimes don't discover I haven't started the car until halfway out of the parking stall, wondering where the power steering went) < 1256445067 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reminds me of that one incident when my father parked car in quite steep downhill. He then got the idea that since there is barrier ahead that needs to be moved anyway, he's going to release the brakes and roll to that barrier without starting engine... < 1256445095 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That didn't go very well... < 1256445130 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, this is pretty funny, even if you don't play Magic: http://magiclampoon.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Thran-Generator.gif < 1256445163 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no brake power assist => almost no brakes). < 1256445204 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIGHT... < 1256445317 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1256445380 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, malfunctioning ABS can kill brakes pretty efficiently... < 1256445543 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1256445552 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The standard automatic transmission interlock prevents shifting out of park without brakes being held... < 1256445753 0 :Oranjer!n=Owner@adsl-243-209-62.cae.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1256445790 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the point of that? < 1256445793 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1256445793 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc* jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube < 1256445803 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style discworld < 1256445803 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: discworld (a subset of Terry Pratchett's Discworld books) < 1256445930 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, what color is the librarian? < 1256445931 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: ' what's happening?" he said. < 1256445963 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1256445974 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, that's not an appropriate answer < 1256445974 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer: ' what about those?' she said. < 1256445989 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, are all of discworld's quotes actual quotes? < 1256445991 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer: " the sea, and birds, and magical leakage, which has far too many dimensions for anyone to find their niche. they'd welcomed him, or them, rather. they seemed to think that i just used to build sweat lodges and smell like a blacksmith's armpit and drink scumble and dance around the fire with horns on and piss in the trees, < 1256446003 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahhahaha < 1256446021 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: That interlock? Well, prevent that incident that gave Audi the backronym "Accelerates Under Demonic Influence": 1D10T pressing gas instead of brake until the car crashes... < 1256446051 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1256446060 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari are you a person < 1256446069 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people have driven cars with manual transmissions with no such interlock for ages < 1256446097 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought we already established all the finns were AIs. or was that the swedes... < 1256446124 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Probably the swedes < 1256446133 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, describe the Great A'tuin < 1256446134 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: " um," said carrot. " i thought perhaps the food-tasters were getting fnord and fnord < 1256446147 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... Pretty sure fnord isn't discworld < 1256446150 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit all that fnord is clogging up the results < 1256446160 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think fnord is just fungot < 1256446161 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer: ' they weren't real,' she said wearily. < 1256446165 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1256446217 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, fnord is used to replace any word that only exists once in the corpus < 1256446224 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: It might also have something to do with pedal layout of that Audi... < 1256446741 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the programming equivalent of "mu" is a page fault < 1256447242 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1256447717 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/Fypvj.jpg ^^Actually, this was in Gregor's Facebook stuff < 1256448171 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Radiateur" < 1256448963 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1256449950 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1256450040 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1256451433 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1256452375 0 :augur!n=augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr2.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1256452681 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey guys < 1256455348 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1256457599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1256457600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1256458130 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1256461222 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1256464453 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1256465913 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't fnorded every corpus, but what oerjan said applies to most of them. < 1256466136 0 :adam_d_!n=Adam@AAnnecy-751-1-12-146.w90-52.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1256466589 0 :adam_d!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1256466737 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1256473815 0 :jix!n=jix@e179236147.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1256475144 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1256476877 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, iwc < 1256476893 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y ic < 1256476910 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1256476930 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*small woosh* < 1256476957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, possibly < 1256477007 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has been reading a changelog containing lots of odd typos. Like "breath search" instead of "breadth search"
< 1256477041 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :breath search is performed _entirely_ through whooshes, me thinks < 1256477119 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect "chanhing" is meant to be "changing" though. "grphics" is probably "graphics". And "chnages" looks somewhat interesting too. < 1256477155 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :switched na probably < 1256477186 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what about the extra h though (if you referred to "chanhing") < 1256477195 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err wait < 1256477197 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :misread that < 1256477198 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah grphics is *probably* graphics, could be tons of other stuff too. < 1256477210 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like gruphics < 1256477212 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :always grope your hics < 1256477213 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "ADD: ambient sound effects (for all grphics + forest + beaches)" < 1256477222 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, ambient sound effects for grphics? < 1256477233 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1256477247 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, i'll take that back < 1256477291 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and "goods" was typoed as "gods" in one place. Routing algorithms for gods, hm? < 1256477373 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you ignore the typos the grammar are in many entries quite awkward. < 1256477381 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just as long as they don't route it through a hyperspace bypass < 1256477425 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh I think they fixed the bug where you could create a tunnel *over* water some versions ago. < 1256477518 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's discriminatory toward underground oceans! < 1256477542 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1256477816 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1256478534 0 :fax!n=somebody@unaffiliated/fax JOIN :#esoteric < 1256479038 0 :Rugxulo!n=chatzill@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1256479141 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :negative remainders ... what would be the use of that? (e.g. Befunge) < 1256481623 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1256481659 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you ever used negative remainers? < 1256481706 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it undefined in befunge what happens with negative arguments < 1256481717 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is the fingeprint MODU with some specified variants < 1256482005 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1256483300 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are negative remainders? < 1256483370 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess from mod (%)'ding a negative number < 1256483398 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i even often need mod for floating point numbers < 1256483406 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know, I just noticed some remark from Jeffrey Long's fungus test suite < 1256483461 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but (mod z) should always reduce the number between [0, z), basically find a representative for x + z*Z from that inteval... the remainder should never be negative < 1256483489 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, official handles it okay, so it must be a bug in one I'm using < 1256483501 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: That is a matter of taste, really; Scheme, for example, defines both "modulo" and "remainder", with different behaviour for negative arguments. < 1256483512 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge 09-2%.@ < 1256483512 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-1 < 1256483545 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: haven't really seen a use case for negative remainders < 1256483567 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just want "reduce to interval" < 1256483575 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, reduce onto interval maybe < 1256483588 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that interval is different for negatives, well, that's just stupid < 1256483598 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, probably there are use cases if scheme does that < 1256483622 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cuz, well, i hear scheme is pretty awesome < 1256483651 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: The "remainder" is defined the way it is so that (= n1 (+ (* n2 (quotient n1 n2)) (remainder n1 n2))) is #t for every integer n1, n2 as long as n2 is not zero. < 1256483788 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose that makes sense < 1256483794 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and modulo is the reduction thingie < 1256483840 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes; (modulo n1 n2) always has the same sign as n2. < 1256483846 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't suppose that, that is the superior way; for quotient, negatives and positives should be treated symmetrically, so there needs to be a function that gives you the sensible remainder. < 1256483941 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate how complicated trivial things are < 1256483962 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, I forget the name, but Pressey's site has a really small Scheme subset that can compile itself < 1256484247 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you mean http://catseye.tc/projects/pixley/doc/pixley.html < 1256484259 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1256484260 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"minimal subset of Scheme that was still expressive enough to permit writing a Pixley interpreter without too much pain" < 1256484470 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1256484631 0 :ehird!n=ehird@212.183.140.18 JOIN :#esoteric < 1256484696 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1256485071 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:28:35 AnMaster: maybe < 1256485072 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:28:44 but liking mirc is enough of a reason to ban someone < 1256485073 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an uncommonly assholish and idiotic statement coming from you. < 1256485085 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing madbrain linked to was talked about earlier by fizzie, FYI < 1256485146 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:34:21 this channel can be a good place to learn until people tell you off for spamming < 1256485146 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Preoccupied with something, are we? < 1256485152 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Burn the witch! < 1256485195 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:35:23 befunge93 is not interesting < 1256485195 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you is not not an idiot for saying thatt < 1256485196 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that < 1256485291 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a Befunge93 interpreter plugin for mIRC < 1256485318 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:55:32 SimonRC, I'm reading OSDev right now < 1256485318 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm almost entirely sure you do not have the prerequisite knowledge. < 1256485371 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to read? :-P < 1256485381 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To write an OS. < 1256485394 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some really really simple OSes out there, though < 1256485406 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking 512 bytes < 1256485419 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks for that. Totally irrelevant. < 1256485439 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like Befunge93? :-) < 1256485470 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd be good at word association, I see. < 1256485499 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I be not not bad, true < 1256485757 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:15:17 http://i.imgur.com/Fypvj.jpg ^^Actually, this was in Gregor's Facebook stuff < 1256485758 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a stalker, Gregor! < 1256485803 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says "sale" but do they mean use? < 1256485951 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1256486226 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1256486529 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: say one good thing about someone, right now. < 1256486546 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like you oklopol < 1256486562 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm twitching now, I think it's a stroke! < 1256486568 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) < 1256486571 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM LIKED! < 1256486572 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM LIKED! < 1256486572 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM LIKED! < 1256486572 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM LIKED! < 1256486572 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM LIKED! < 1256486573 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM LIKED! < 1256486574 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM LIKED! < 1256486576 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM LIKED! < 1256486578 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM LIKED! < 1256486580 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM LIKED! < 1256486582 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM LIKED! < 1256486582 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU ARE LIKED! < 1256486583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU ARE LIKED! < 1256486583 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU ARE LIKED! < 1256486584 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU ARE LIKED! < 1256486584 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM LIKED! < 1256486585 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU ARE LIKED! < 1256486586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU ARE LIKED! < 1256486590 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1256486596 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEHEEEHEEEHEEHHEEHEEHHEHHEHHEEHHEEEEEHHEEHEEHHH < 1256486599 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEHEEEHEEEHEEHHEEHEEHHEHHEHHEEHHEEEEEHHEEHEEHHH < 1256486599 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEHEEEHEEEHEEHHEEHEEHHEHHEHHEEHHEEEEEHHEEHEEHHH < 1256486599 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEHEEEHEEEHEEHHEEHEEHHEHHEHHEEHHEEEEEHHEEHEEHHH < 1256486599 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEHEEEHEEEHEEHHEEHEEHHEHHEHHEEHHEEEEEHHEEHEEHHH < 1256486605 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokjkokokokookkokoo < 1256486606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit < 1256486613 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokoko < 1256486614 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokoko < 1256486615 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokoko < 1256486621 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(o) < 1256486640 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokpkokokokokokokokokokokokokokokoko < 1256486640 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect apart from that p < 1256486652 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit, i need to go outside :< < 1256486666 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokoko < 1256486674 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect apart from nothing < 1256486697 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokookokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokoko < 1256486702 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell yeah < 1256488055 0 :adam_d__!n=Adam@AAnnecy-751-1-12-146.w90-52.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1256488208 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now there's something I haven't heard before (someone claiming that Apple's advertising means that anyone who considers Macs easier or smoother to use is *under a placebo effect*_ < 1256488212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*effect*) < 1256488419 0 :adam_d_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1256488764 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1256489105 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1256489527 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@77-100-194-169.cable.ubr04.pres.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1256489567 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1256490374 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-142-65.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1256491468 0 :Jakepii!i=Jakepii@84-231-35-191.elisa-mobile.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1256491533 0 :Jakepii!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehh... esoteric programming... not esoteric/occcult philosophy then... :P < 1256491561 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You worked it out without us telling you! < 1256491567 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's new. < 1256491586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously the average person interested in the latter doesn't trust deductive reasoning enough to figure it out... < 1256491591 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awwww < 1256491597 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so much fun when they don't < 1256491600 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: I know, right? :( < 1256491606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jakepii: Sacrifice a goat anyway. < 1256491622 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WE CONJURE THE SPIRITS OF COMPUTERS WITH OUR SPELLS < 1256491632 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't the cover of SICP pretty esoteric? < 1256491644 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mystical parentheses. < 1256491805 0 :Jakepii!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, but what the hell is esoteric programming? < 1256491824 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did you figure it out from just this room? < 1256491825 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm curious! < 1256491832 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jakepii: ever heard of brainfuck? < 1256491835 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INTERCAL? < 1256491895 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your silence is stunning. < 1256491925 0 :Jakepii!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just trying to figure out all your output. < 1256491942 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny, that's what the average esolanger does. < 1256491957 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jakepii: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esoteric_programming_language < 1256491996 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tl;dr a deliberately pathological programming language, intended either for our amusement or to explore new language-design ideas; often purposefully over-minimal < 1256492006 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :often designed deliberately to be hard or frustrating to use < 1256492013 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/ is us. http://esolangs.org/wiki/ < 1256492028 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that still redirects to the voxelperfect mirror < 1256492032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page < 1256492083 0 :Jakepii!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha ok. interesting stuff but not exactly what i'm looking for right now. Thank you all for these enlightening moments < 1256492088 0 :Jakepii!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lähdössä" < 1256492105 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-166-171-19.range86-166.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1256492108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I love is the massive barrier between us and then < 1256492147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolanging is a logic-based pursuit that requires a good amount of intellect and reasoning (to make a good one, that is) < 1256492150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even to use one < 1256492193 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteryck magyck is just meaningless context-free bullshit thrown together until it seems vaguely aesthetically pleasing, then accepted as dogma until someone decides that it isn't unmeaningful enough < 1256492552 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1256492565 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about that "Jakepii" above < 1256492573 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa, people. < 1256492577 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My blinds are mown. < 1256492589 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, they grow grass or something? < 1256492596 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Totally. < 1256492599 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to mow them. < 1256492604 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, cool. Where can I get some < 1256492613 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every day, oh look at my blinds... better go blow my minds < 1256492614 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1256492616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean mow my blinds < 1256492635 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, interesting use of plural there :D < 1256492652 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some split personality thing? < 1256492653 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just pointing out my spoonerism due to the rather high chance you didn't get it. < 1256492695 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1256492714 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1256492737 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: why'd cwalker ragequit? < 1256492781 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: no clue < 1256492785 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e didn't even FAGE < 1256492806 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like eir deregistration email < 1256492815 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1256492821 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess this is about some nomic? < 1256492827 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agora. < 1256492836 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clue is in the spivak < 1256492850 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :B has spivak too < 1256492881 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but 90% of everyone stopped giving a shit about B after they took Agora's ruleset and made it crappier. < 1256492889 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spivak hm... Could it possibly mean "speak" or "speech" or such? (thus refer to the non-standard words used) < 1256492903 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Michael Spivak, mathematician. < 1256492912 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In his books, used e/eir/etc pronouns for gender neutrality. < 1256492915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1256492921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Said someone else invented them, but didn't know the name. < 1256492927 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they're Spivak pronouns. < 1256492946 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that story sounds familiar now that you mention it < 1256492948 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e, eir, em < 1256492962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :emself or eirself, who knows, nobody's said it < 1256492962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eirs < 1256492972 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spivak_pronoun < 1256492976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we use spivak (original) < 1256492977 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, rofl at BobTHJ threatening to quit over a repeal of random stuff < 1256492991 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: random stuff that he helped shape, he says < 1256492994 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/almost/ makes me actually want to repeal cards < 1256492998 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely by now you know he's an authoritarian egotist? < 1256493006 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: sure. Doesn't make it unfunny < 1256493011 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1256493021 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my repeal proposal is better because it's more fun :( < 1256493026 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it < 1256493034 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :highly scammable too :D < 1256493038 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[The original pronoun set was not created by me. I think I read about it in a newspaper clipping, perhaps from the Boston Globe, during the time I taught at Brandeis, and I believe it was credited to an anthropologist; later on, when I wanted to use it, I was unable to locate the source. In "The Joy of TeX", I wrote "Numerous approaches to this problem have been suggested, but one strikes me as particularly simple and sensible." I assumed people would figu < 1256493038 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was using a construction I couldn't properly credit, and not consider me so immodest as to praise my own invention (though I guess that was a rather immodest assumption).]] — Spivak < 1256493047 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: erm, only if you have enough friends < 1256493060 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., yes, if you have a bunch of partners in crime, you can repeal a bunch of stuff... you could also use a proposal < 1256493066 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly it makes it AI 1 instead of AI 2, so to speak < 1256493073 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but really, that's not a huge thing < 1256493098 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: but the thing is that this rule could easily erase half of a collection of rules < 1256493105 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and leave the rest scammable < 1256493113 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's true < 1256493117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not majorly scammable, I don't think < 1256493123 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be fun chaos for a bit, but the game would go on < 1256493129 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would! < 1256493161 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and murphy would spend hours detailing the effects of appealing various lists of rules before and after :P < 1256493234 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: think it'll pass with the typo? without? < 1256493247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i figure it'd cause people to vote against it, but i like it < 1256493254 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I'd be fine with the typo personally, and I'll vote < 1256493256 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOR < 1256493261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but others? < 1256493263 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember to play around with Chamber < 1256493273 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, i have to learn that shit? < 1256493284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been practicing the policy of totally ignoring chamber card blogosphere automatics < 1256493301 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chamber's pretty easy < 1256493315 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are three Titles and three Chambers, being red, green, and purple < 1256493315 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, do you think it'll haev more of a chance of passing iwth the typo? methinks so < 1256493321 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like rock-paper-scissors < 1256493327 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: maybe. Not hugely < 1256493334 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll do it < 1256493343 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'cause at AI 2, this is pretty tenuous anyway < 1256493463 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: distrib-u-matic? < 1256493475 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah, we can't submit proposals freely. < 1256493493 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I really did turn my mind off to Agora when it started sucking < 1256493501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I don't even know if I have one, what're the reports titled? < 1256493544 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: hang on, I have an Anarchist database right now < 1256493573 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have 6 < 1256493586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like Christmas! < 1256493602 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: does that elevating-as-separate-action-then-tallying-the-elevations actually work? I wouldn't be arsed to make any state < 1256493604 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*couldn't < 1256493611 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: what? < 1256493626 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elevating a rule doesn't change anything, it's a no-op action < 1256493631 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the rule picks the rules elevated most < 1256493641 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes... < 1256493645 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just wondering if that works or if I have to keep track of the elevations e.g. as a part of the rule < 1256493649 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, you know, legalistic assholes < 1256493665 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. Agora's platonic gamestate includes whether or not a rule has been elevated < 1256493671 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in theory nothing needs a tracker < 1256493689 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not whether or not it has been elevated, it's how many times :) < 1256493690 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sure < 1256493698 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many times as well < 1256493702 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1256493705 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The game is all-knowing < 1256493710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aum < 1256493714 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :auuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuum < 1256493720 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a question of whether its players are ;) < 1256493735 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, I'm about to make 10+ proposals distributable! < 1256493751 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, noooo! < 1256493755 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I miscalculated! < 1256493762 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOO < 1256493762 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY LIFE < 1256493764 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOWN THE DRAIN < 1256493770 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, time to make it distributable < 1256493780 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who wants to bet that ais523 will intend to make it undistributable? < 1256493782 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, ehird, are you active? < 1256493784 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :failing that, BobTHJ? < 1256493787 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: um < 1256493788 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1256493789 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so < 1256493798 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody deactivated me, unless it was in the 200 messages I didn't read < 1256493801 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you aren't < 1256493814 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you submit proposals while inactive? < 1256493814 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I did as part of my clout win < 1256493814 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1256493840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I spend one Distribu-o-Matic to make this proposal distributable." this is the syntax right>? < 1256493842 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*right? < 1256493847 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1256493848 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'll work < 1256493857 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw it should be Distrib-o-matic < 1256493863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly someone never tried to pronounce it < 1256494071 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, we need more officers < 1256494075 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, a Promotor would be nice < 1256494096 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I would like to have an office. But Promotor is too linked to our current broken distributability rap. < 1256494099 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crap. < 1256494104 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And everyone distrusts me :P < 1256494208 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Distributability isn't broken right now < 1256494213 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damaged, maybe, but not broken < 1256494219 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :propose to repeal it; I'll vote FOR < 1256494276 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like the idea. < 1256494303 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The solution to "TOO MANY PROPOSALS AAH MY BRAIN" isn't "high barrier to using the actual nomic part of the game, and have it easy for people to stop it being distributable to boot" < 1256494312 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's "promote more moderation" < 1256494350 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, then let's do that by repealing Distributability < 1256494415 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But people would take it as "ROLLLLLLLL IN THE PROPOSALS". < 1256494425 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's do it vai my crazy repealing proposal! :P < 1256494426 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, for about a week < 1256494427 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*via < 1256494452 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you only have 7 hours go < 1256494475 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: ? < 1256494485 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: to submit before this week's distribution comes due < 1256494504 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't wanna detract the focus from my crazy repealing :) < 1256494510 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I should vote for both your proposal and mine < 1256494520 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine. I'll propose; you Distrib-u-Matic it? < 1256494522 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although that'd result in over 50 rules being repealed < 1256494528 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Ehh. < 1256494541 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not too interested in individual repeal proposals right now. < 1256494544 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a lot more cruft in the game than just that. < 1256494569 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yes. But a lot of things (like Distributability) need to be removed with a scalpel, not an axe < 1256494585 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the scalpel comes after! :-P < 1256494592 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can do both at once < 1256494600 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some 20-odd different repeal proposals in the Pool < 1256494603 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If my repealer gets through, you bet that the 20 repeals will shortly turn into 30 to clean everything up.) < 1256494603 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Eh, fine. < 1256494653 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you transfer cards? I am an ascetic. :P < 1256494801 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yes you can < 1256494809 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll pay the going rate in zm if you like < 1256494821 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't believe in the IBA < 1256494907 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1256494913 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should, it's pretty awesome < 1256494933 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any bank based on the same basic rate-setting as the RBoA is one I won't support. < 1256494955 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sort of rate-setting do you want? < 1256494962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone should make a bank based on the PBA's ideal, considering that the final text of the PBA was, uh, free-market capitalism. < 1256494989 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: based on market activity, scarcity... < 1256495014 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: the IBA is in theory - or would be, if comex bothered to update it ever < 1256495032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I hallucinate those manual rate chhanges. < 1256495034 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*changes < 1256495981 0 :BeholdMyGlory_!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1256496248 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"would fig I was" <-- your client line breaks strangely < 1256496272 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :figure that I was < 1256496281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does not account for some length, I think; the hostname, perhaps. < 1256496287 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1256496291 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you have the +/- thing enabled, obviously that adds a character. < 1256496317 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yeah but that was indeed more than just one char cut off < 1256496601 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: how small did you get that kernel? < 1256496719 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, mine? Same as I said last time yesterday. Didn't bother to continue after that < 1256496725 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks for the size
< 1256496800 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apperently I compiled your kernel last < 1256496813 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION runs make clean, copies his .config and runs make
< 1256496827 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm way too lazy to make a Linux VM :( < 1256496834 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, same < 1256496839 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant < 1256496841 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to actually compile mine < 1256496842 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1256496875 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1256496942 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1256496962 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1256496970 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, too busy with irl stuff to actually compile your < 1256496975 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compile my? < 1256497012 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, your kernel < 1256497014 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want again < 1256497019 0 :adam_d__!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :adam_d < 1256497023 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compile my. < 1256497232 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, that is what I'm too busy IRL to do yes < 1256497248 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too busy to compile my. < 1256497252 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh and mine was 331280 < 1256497257 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You fail at grammar, btw. < 1256497264 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I said "your" < 1256497274 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your kernel < 1256497277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"too busy with irl stuff to actually compile your" is not a sentence. < 1256497289 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, sure. < 1256497306 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And why should I care? It is IRC. < 1256497316 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no, that is not a good reason :P < 1256497347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The sad thing is that you probably started both of those sentences with and in some ludicrous attempt to make me mad... < 1256497400 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no. Not both < 1256497411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me guess < 1256497415 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wah, there were three sentences < 1256497417 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only remembered it by the second one :P < 1256497434 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, good catch. But no I didn't mean that either :P < 1256498152 0 :BeholdMyGlory_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :BeholdMyGlory < 1256499049 0 :Rugxulo!n=chatzill@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1256499357 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHO IS EVEN A PERSON < 1256499382 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1256499522 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EHIRD MAKES NO SENSE < 1256499530 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOUR FACE MAKES NO SENSE < 1256499563 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT'S NOT WHAT YOUR MOM SAID < 1256499591 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, don't forget to respect your elders ;-) < 1256499728 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then I'd have to stop flinging shit at everyone in here < 1256499730 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what would I do then < 1256499732 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*everyone in < 1256499734 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK < 1256499734 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS < 1256499735 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KEYBOARD < 1256499780 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Cherry? < 1256499812 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: fucking keyboards tends to break them < 1256499827 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh, I thought you were making a reference to mechanical keyswitches yesterday, since the same Cherry makes most of them and I'm looking for a high-quality keyboard < 1256499828 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i was like < 1256499831 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um how did you know < 1256499832 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes < 1256499835 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes this keyboard is made by cherry < 1256499837 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and fuck it < 1256499842 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: true. < 1256499847 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, how do you know this? < 1256499861 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :induction < 1256499880 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :force and sticky liquids are bad enough on their own, never mind together < 1256499894 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why have you... thought about this, SimonRC < 1256499907 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it took maybe a second to do so < 1256499947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :keyboards don't even have any appropriate holes. < 1256499952 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT IS A NONSENSICAL TOPIC < 1256500720 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, at least your mom does! < 1256500736 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost unfunny. < 1256500739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't even unfunny. < 1256500748 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so bad it is good? < 1256500749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or worse? < 1256500773 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't anything. < 1256500780 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah that level < 1256500818 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ponders doing a "your mom" on that line, but decides not to
< 1256500842 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your mom is fat. Also a whore. < 1256500844 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH sNAP < 1256500846 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WITH A CAPITAL S < 1256500878 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sNAP is better < 1256500886 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like... s-NAP < 1256500895 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of just a plain loud snap < 1256500896 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :secure NAP? < 1256500913 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, when you can take a nap and know no one will shoot at you. < 1256500993 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't that require omniscience < 1256501023 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yeah that is probably why it isn't very common < 1256501175 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-63-111.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1256501526 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1256501559 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Virtual machines are such fun. < 1256501661 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-S < 1256501708 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: btw, does that 300 KiB kernel of yours boot? :) < 1256501782 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, didn't have time to test it. Nor do I now < 1256501795 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and computer is turned off and in my backpack already < 1256501912 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1256501934 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stop peeing all over the place < 1256501937 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did it really just install gnu emacs 20 < 1256501937 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what was that? space space space ... [0010] ...? < 1256501946 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm spacing all over the place! < 1256501946 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what did? < 1256501956 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that mastodon linux distro thing! trying with another vm < 1256501984 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was 0x10, ^P < 1256501995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yes just showed what my client showed it as < 1256502000 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Data Link Escape" < 1256502008 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, how fitting < 1256502010 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irssi shows it as an inverted P < 1256502021 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird emits those every now and then. < 1256502038 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird. < 1256502047 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't figure out how to get irssi to put arbitrary control characters into things < 1256502109 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sdgdhgsdfg < 1256502112 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dsdgf < 1256502121 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, ^J and ^M do the same thing < 1256502185 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lkjdPlsdj < 1256502186 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1256502240 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some control chars self-insert < 1256502253 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some appear to self insert but do special things < 1256502259 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some are emacs-like commands < 1256502390 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bearocracy < 1256502393 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a society ruled by bears < 1256502448 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be ursulocracy < 1256502456 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but mine is a pun :( < 1256502464 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1256502471 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uranocracy. < 1256502808 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1256503100 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : hmm, that still redirects to the voxelperfect mirror <-- i don't think that's a mirror, just an alternative hostname? < 1256503111 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, right < 1256503280 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, btw can you compile recent 2.6 kernels with gcc 3.x any longer? < 1256503651 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if you turned into a mansion, how would that affect your daily life? social? < 1256503651 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck, there goes my 1 GB < 1256503667 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: less restaurant visits < 1256503679 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more space < 1256503701 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i could invite people, should be an improvement < 1256503809 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it _could_ be an improvement overall < 1256503869 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_ _testing_ < 1256503887 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :__ _more testing_ < 1256503901 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip72-211-146-170.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1256503906 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems underscore is identical to underlining on this terminal < 1256503948 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once_more _with feeling_ < 1256503982 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irssi attempts to turn underscores into unining sometimes < 1256503999 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise you can use ctrl-_ to turn underlining on and off < 1256503999 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably. < 1256503999 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and how would your family feel about this? < 1256503999 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you feel pressure to spend time with more house-like peers? < 1256503999 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or perhaps just the mansionic? < 1256503999 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's what i was testing < 1256504004 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: invite people into yourself? < 1256504006 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a pg-13 channel, oerjan. < 1256504008 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now back to the topic of you turning into a mansion < 1256504022 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that _was_ on topic < 1256504023 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's irrsi < 1256504049 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i cannot be sure irssi doesn't use underlining for _all_ underscores < 1256504056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*irssi < 1256504070 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, connection is lagging < 1256504102 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will disconnect soon :( < 1256504129 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i cannot see any difference from an underscore in a shell either < 1256504135 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is up with it?# < 1256504180 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it's hard to spend time with house-like peers if you cannot move < 1256504228 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a mansion is isolated per definition isn't it < 1256504242 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`define mansion < 1256504254 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* sign of the zodiac: (astrology) one of 12 equal areas into which the zodiac is divided \ * a large and imposing house \ [22]wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn < 1256504284 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slooow < 1256504315 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am of course assuming i still have access to broadband... cannot make it _too_ horror-like either... < 1256504355 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION recalls a sketch parodying every makeover program at once
< 1256504375 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that _was_ on topic just appeared < 1256504385 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they made over a 35yo bachelour into a lovely georgian mansion < 1256504386 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1256504390 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i guess there are dual mansions < 1256504441 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :up to simonrc slooow < 1256504441 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did my thing about house-like peers appear when oerjan said that? < 1256504441 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cause damn, i said it ages earlier < 1256504450 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: no < 1256504514 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either ehird is not responding to pings or he is horribly lagged < 1256504529 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if he doesn't respond to pings than he _deserves_ it *MWAHAHAHA* < 1256504569 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*then < 1256504595 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ping < 1256504681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems my connection has finally died.. < 1256504681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :farewell < 1256504759 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :secrets about ducks < 1256504769 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here use thunderbird? < 1256504810 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep < 1256504849 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEY ARE QUIZZICALLY LOOKING AT YOUR HOUSE < 1256504849 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: pong < 1256504849 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this pong may be delayed due to stupid ISPness) < 1256504849 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:06] oerjan: ehird: no < 1256504851 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:06] oerjan: either ehird is not responding to pings or he is horribly lagged < 1256504853 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:06] oerjan: and if he doesn't respond to pings than he _deserves_ it *MWAHAHAHA* < 1256504855 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:06] oerjan: *then < 1256504857 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:06] oerjan: ehird: ping < 1256504861 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Yep what < 1256504869 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1256504869 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thunderbird < 1256504876 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 minutes or so < 1256504895 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"4 minutes or so" < 1256504901 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4:13 < 1256504910 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 seconds or so :) < 1256504916 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:07 < 1256504945 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tell me when you receive "20:07"; I sent it as soon as the clock hit 20:08, pretty much < 1256504945 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Tell me as in the time) < 1256504956 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-10-25 22:08:36 ( ehird) 20:07 < 1256504974 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we're down to sub-minute lag? (20:09) < 1256504975 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irssi doesn't show seconds < 1256504977 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1256504985 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does if you configure it to. < 1256504986 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it does if you set the right variable < 1256504990 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that's what my 20 seconds meant < 1256505046 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see "/set timestamp" for useful suggestions < 1256505093 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i won't, it would use up 3 chars of my precious visible left overlapped window estate < 1256505149 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about removing the colons to compensate? < 1256505161 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Received what you said at 20:09 too) < 1256505161 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:10] Deewiant: 2009-10-25 22:08:36 ( ehird) 20:07 < 1256505178 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about not really caring? < 1256505204 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As you can see, my irssi timestamp is 20 characters, including the trailing space. :-P < 1256505205 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:13] oerjan: irssi doesn't show seconds < 1256505224 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: up to 4 minutes again :( < 1256505235 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's highly fluctuating < 1256505276 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:13] Sgeo joined the chat room. < 1256505276 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:13] Deewiant: It does if you configure it to. < 1256505276 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:13] SimonRC: oerjan: it does if you set the right variable < 1256505276 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:13] oerjan: ehird: that's what my 20 seconds meant < 1256505276 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:13] SimonRC: see "/set timestamp" for useful suggestions < 1256505278 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do what I do, have the timestamps at the right side. < 1256505280 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: irssi may SUCK TOO MUCH to do this.) < 1256505332 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: won't work, i also use the timestamps to get an idea how long the channel has been silent < 1256505344 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:14] oerjan: how about not really caring? < 1256505364 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:14] Deewiant: As you can see, my irssi timestamp is 20 characters, including the trailing space. :-P < 1256505364 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:15] oerjan: ehird: up to 4 minutes again :( < 1256505364 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:15] oerjan: i guess it's highly fluctuating < 1256505394 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: have you tried connecting to a different irc server? < 1256505396 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:13] ehird: Do what I do, have the timestamps at the right side. < 1256505396 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:13] ehird: (Note: irssi may SUCK TOO MUCH to do this.) < 1256505396 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FWIW < 1256505396 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sent this at 20:16) < 1256505403 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: are you on any busy channels? < 1256505414 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:16] oerjan: ehird: won't work, i also use the timestamps to get an idea how long the channel has been silent < 1256505445 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20:17] oerjan: Then put just the seconds at the right side! (Note: Seconds made up) [:34] < 1256505556 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I can't figure out how to get irssi to put arbitrary control characters into things < 1256505560 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any connections pretend to be the Vodafone topup HTTP server, I believe. < 1256505560 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could join #ubuntu. < 1256505560 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, nope. < 1256505560 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^V < 1256505561 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can connect to Freenode. < 1256505563 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making another connection now. < 1256505565 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't seem to work in Colloquy. < 1256505575 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: ^V < 1256505629 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: not in irssi < 1256505643 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :P < 1256505645 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1256505647 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: works in mine, i may have set it though < 1256505652 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is just reverse-text < 1256505661 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/bind ^V escape-char or something < 1256505666 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kkasdf%^&578asd < 1256505672 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, just reverse-text < 1256505685 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, probably sending to the new connection lags. < 1256505705 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the CTCP pings to ehird are just over a minute < 1256505842 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*tests < 1256505849 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1256505863 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tests explicit ^A
< 1256505969 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: the channel still censors many control characters though. although irssi won't notice it since it echoes your own messages itself. < 1256506038 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: actually if by "into things" you mean things other than messages, i am not so sure what it does < 1256506053 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1256506073 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope nobody in here runs a Geocities site < 1256506150 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all free Geocities sites disappear tomorrow < 1256506255 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear < 1256506267 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as if there weren't enough missing ones already :-( < 1256506353 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, sucks < 1256506370 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip72-211-145-161.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1256506375 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google can buy them up, obviously < 1256506391 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Geocities will still exist (as a Yahoo! service), but the free part won't < 1256506410 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like it didn't deserve to be dragged out back and shot ... but it still had some good stuff < 1256506431 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and WayBack isn't exactly reliable :-/ < 1256506431 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1256506454 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHERE OH WHERE HAS MY LITTLE EHIRD GONE? OH WHERE OH WHERE CAN HE BE? < 1256506782 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo, so download them all < 1256506789 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all those geocities sites I mean < 1256506807 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and create an archive < 1256506828 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with opt-out functionality of course) < 1256506832 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lalala < 1256506835 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first of all, I wouldn't even know how, secondly I don't think its ALL worth saving < 1256506837 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to make it legal probably) < 1256506861 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thirdly, they have bandwidth limits < 1256506882 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo, hm? < 1256506892 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on how much your browse their site? < 1256506900 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or on how much each site is browsed? < 1256506902 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :download limits < 1256506905 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1256506905 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :per hour < 1256506910 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo, per site? < 1256506915 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so, yes < 1256506927 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ok, so just run the script, and make it continue after one hour for the rest < 1256506928 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, it's 5 MB per hour per site (but I could be wrong) < 1256506937 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo, is it per ip or globally < 1256506951 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think? globally < 1256506954 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1256506961 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense < 1256507408 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reading tzdata package changelog is quite fun < 1256507437 0 :ehird!n=ehird@212.183.140.16 JOIN :#esoteric < 1256507512 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like: "Disable DST switch for Argentina tomorrow, as the Argentina government decided yesterday. Careful planning is boring." < 1256507608 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We had that in here a few days ago < 1256507610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe a week or so < 1256507618 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JFS seems awesome, incidentally, from my research! < 1256507620 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh? Someone mentioned it already. Right < 1256507631 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, jfs is almost as awsome as xfs yes < 1256507640 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Summary seems to be: It's like XFS, except you don't need to fear horrible death if your system crashes, and it's ever so slightly slower. < 1256507652 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, faster at metadata operations like creating files, etc. < 1256507653 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MUCH faster. < 1256507658 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, smaller community. < 1256507669 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In conclusion: JFS roolz, XFS droolz,. < 1256507673 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*droolz. < 1256507676 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what about ext4 then < 1256507685 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ext is soooooo orthodox. < 1256507701 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, if I watch one more mandatory fdisk scan, I'm going to go on a killing spree. < 1256507704 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVEN HFS+ DOESN'T DO THAT < 1256507705 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I never found xfs to be slow at metadata stuff < 1256507707 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's like 20 years old < 1256507712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It is, in benchmarks < 1256507713 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heyo < 1256507717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing in filesystems is slow perceptibly :P < 1256507719 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Also, if I watch one more mandatory fdisk scan, I'm going to go on a killing spree. < 1256507720 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1256507728 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disable them and risk my data, yes. < 1256507731 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or use something that isn't ext. < 1256507733 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1256507741 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and risk your data? < 1256507752 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Howso? < 1256507760 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XFS loses data on crashes, yes, but JFS doesn't. :P < 1256507813 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so it journals file data too? < 1256507819 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ordered at least < 1256507822 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like ext3 < 1256507829 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both XFS and JFS are journalled. < 1256507831 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unlike ext4 was in the beginning at least) < 1256507853 0 :Oranjer!n=Owner@adsl-243-209-62.cae.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1256507854 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes... but what exactly is. Metadata or metadata+data? < 1256507863 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is quite a large difference < 1256507864 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZFS looks interesting too... < 1256507867 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure. I believe both. < 1256507869 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhhh hey < 1256507871 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: Yes, but licensing. < 1256507874 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: And stuff. < 1256507876 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is non-mutating, I think < 1256507882 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and that was what the whole "ext4 can destroy your files" stuff was about < 1256507885 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JFS is usable right now, stock. < 1256507887 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means you get snapshots for free < 1256507893 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No. < 1256507894 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apple just abandoned ZFS for Mac, so that sucks < 1256507895 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It was about fsync stuff. < 1256507896 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vs. "ext3 made developers sloppy" < 1256507900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: Due to legal issues. < 1256507904 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes apps not doing fsync < 1256507906 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which sucks more < 1256507907 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as required < 1256507917 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apple have enough cash to make a great filesystem. < 1256507918 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, which actually falls back on this on a low enough layer < 1256507921 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you check it out < 1256507947 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ordered < 1256507947 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : This is the default mode. All data is forced directly out to the main file system prior to its metadata being committed to the jour� < 1256507947 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : nal. < 1256507961 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from man mount < 1256507969 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :search for "data=journal" < 1256507974 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you will find the right line < 1256507981 0 :calamari!n=calamari@ip72-211-145-161.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1256508068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should make my own Linux distro, also change my name to zzo38. < 1256508084 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION stares at stunning 1024x768, 64 thousand colour Linux framebuffer console booting
< 1256508091 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the colours on that Linux logo make a man proud. < 1256508125 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh? < 1256508128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"JFS journals metadata only, which means that metadata will remain consistent but user files may be corrupted after a crash or power loss. JFS' journaling is similar to XFS where it only journals parts of the inode." < 1256508129 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well. < 1256508131 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who cares! < 1256508146 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well that is what all high performance ones does < 1256508188 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[["It's easier said than done." < 1256508189 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... and if you don't believe it, try proving that it's easier done than said, and you'll see that "it's easiser said that 'it's easier done than said' than it is done", which really proves that "it's easier said htan done".]] < 1256508189 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :— fortune < 1256508189 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oww, my head. < 1256508191 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*than < 1256508194 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Typed out from a VM.) < 1256508202 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hahah < 1256508220 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite nice. < 1256508238 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should install fortune maybe < 1256508247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slackware+xfce: Putting the floppy drive on the desktop since 2009. < 1256508264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Immediately, all 3 users of floppy disks pipe up with a complaint.) < 1256508277 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm does it really fit onto a floppy? < 1256508282 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1256508285 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1256508287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It fits on something like 6 CDs. < 1256508298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is using Slackware in a VM, except he only had the first two disk ISOs, so it's the first two disks of slackware
< 1256508302 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION downloads uclinux
< 1256508302 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It runs XFCE just fine! < 1256508314 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: DOESN'T COUNT FOR THE GAME < 1256508318 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I do wonder if uclinux is usable on a desktop < 1256508324 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I didn't say it would < 1256508325 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, at least my distro wouldn't be cookie-cutter! < 1256508334 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No kernel modules, no dynamic linking! < 1256508342 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No hideously convoluted filesystem structure! < 1256508388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(JFS by default? :P) < 1256508395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(No swap by default!) < 1256508405 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think DeLi uses uclibc < 1256508424 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Delhi Linux. < 1256508438 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, DeLi < 1256508475 0 :immibis!n=IceChat7@125-236-169-64.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1256508492 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um. uclinux != uclibc :P < 1256508528 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though close) < 1256508538 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uClinux is a kernel, yes. < 1256508545 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But can it boot desktops? < 1256508570 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, define desktop < 1256508570 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, sorry ... misread < 1256508574 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The main design goal of JFS was to provide fast crash recovery for large filesystems, avoiding the long filesystem check (fsck) times of older Unix filesystems." < 1256508577 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Modern desktop. < 1256508578 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Computer. < 1256508580 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86. < 1256508582 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe even _65. < 1256508583 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ah x86 < 1256508584 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*64 < 1256508584 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1256508589 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know < 1256508591 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bog-standard modern peripherals. < 1256508592 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will check < 1256508595 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(uClinux still has an MMU if you want it, right?) < 1256508604 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, mmu is optional I think < 1256508610 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it looks quite complex < 1256508623 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: re JFS safety lag time: < 1256508627 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"X window system with KDE, GIMP, Nvu, and text editor all with open files, plus a shell script that inserted records into a MySQL (ISAM) table. The script I wrote was an infinite loop, and I let it run for a couple of minutes to make sure some records were flushed to disk." < 1256508630 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"About 3 seconds to replay the journal log. All open files intact, database intact with a few thousand records inserted, but the timestamp on the table file had been rolled back one minute." < 1256508645 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1256508648 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2 seconds for both console+text editor with 1 file, X+KDE+GIMP+Nvu+editor in xterm, all with open files) < 1256508651 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the console: < 1256508652 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :About 2 seconds to replay the journal log. Changes I had not saved in the editor were missing but the file was intact. < 1256508657 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the other X: About 2 seconds to replay the journal log. All open files were intact, unsaved changes were missing. < 1256508661 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so some stuff missing then < 1256508662 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1256508668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Barely anything. < 1256508695 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Remember that even ext doesn't recover all that stuff with its years-long fscking. < 1256508709 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So 3 seconds to recover all of that, and be a much, much faster filesystem than ext*... impressive. < 1256508825 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1256508862 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, apparently you can't shrink JFS partitions, just grow them. < 1256508893 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, but someone made a tool to shrink them, apparently. < 1256508917 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ext doesn't recover by fsck < 1256508923 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actual journal recovery is quite fast < 1256508932 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes, but that 3 second figure is for JFS's actual fsck. < 1256508934 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is just it fscks every n mounts < 1256508942 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2-3 second fsck. < 1256508948 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, sounds like it didn't do a throughout job :P < 1256508958 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with verifying all structures < 1256508979 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have your ext fscks ever done anything more? A well-designed filesystem doesn't mean a cheating filesysteem. < 1256509073 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well it never detected any errors < 1256509082 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"On the other hand, you have different fingers." < 1256509091 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is just like we say in Sweden "bälte och hängslen" < 1256509100 0 :immibis!n=immibis@125-236-169-64.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1256509101 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks for a translation for the third word
< 1256509122 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes suspenders. < 1256509142 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it means "belt and suspenders" < 1256509177 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : how can I make ChatZilla auto-identify? < 1256509186 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis: Set a server password. < 1256509188 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Works for Freenode. < 1256509193 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise, set up a command to be run on connect. < 1256509194 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very low-tech. < 1256509249 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay...but I can't find where to set a server password < 1256509314 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's somewhere. < 1256509330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis: Oh, and you can disable the obnoxious show-highlights-in-the-server-tab thing, too. < 1256509553 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems that Slackware includes only the vital packages on the first two disks — you know, like both vim and emacs. < 1256509582 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and both Firefox and Seamonkey. < 1256509787 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vim and emacs are tiny compared to some apps < 1256509812 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but including both Firefox AND Seamonkey? < 1256509829 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, heh. what the hell is on the rest of those disks then? < 1256509840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blackjack and hookers? < 1256509854 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(An office suite of some sort?) < 1256509911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Annoying how xfce only includes tools to configure itself, not the system. < 1256510036 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't seem to want to talk to my network. < 1256510159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh? just use ifconfig or whatever < 1256510166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what about the text config files < 1256510169 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm used to that :P < 1256510191 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, the nice thing about Gnome is that I don't have to fuck around with that bullshit. < 1256510199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Says the person playing with Slackware.) < 1256510237 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, ifconfig just gives lo. < 1256510326 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, ifconfig -a < 1256510326 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then < 1256510332 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to show all possible interfaces < 1256510349 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True, that gives an eth0. < 1256510363 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ifconfig eth0 up, no luck. < 1256510367 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works, but Firefox doesn't load. < 1256510403 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, dhcp? < 1256510408 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so set that up < 1256510411 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and dns < 1256510416 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know. Nothing hard < 1256510418 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trivial stuff < 1256510440 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how does slackware normally config the network? < 1256510440 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I know. < 1256510449 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trivial stuff that there's NO REASON THAT I HAVE TO DO. < 1256510474 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, busywork. Automatable manual labour. i.e., what computers were DESIGNED TO AVOID. < 1256510531 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hey if you selected slackware you have to bite the bullet < 1256510548 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why it's in a VM and not my disk. < 1256510556 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well then. Stop complaining < 1256510565 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're the one who's replying. < 1256510628 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, thats what your mom said. < 1256510656 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ow my finger < 1256510723 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, keyboard? < 1256510729 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, JFS2. < 1256510732 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell is it with you and keyboards. < 1256510736 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No, just the nail. < 1256510753 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder if JFS2 was ported to Linux. < 1256510792 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1256510827 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what nail < 1256510832 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE nail? < 1256510835 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so. where is it < 1256510898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fingernail. < 1256510995 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why people stopped using lilo. < 1256511048 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, um, because it was a lot of work to remember to rerun lilo every time you updated the kernel? < 1256511055 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was a bit awkward to use < 1256511068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, GRUB has to be run too. And how so? < 1256511083 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/etc/ilo.conf seems just as simple as grub.conf to me. < 1256511085 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*lilo.conf < 1256511117 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, not for kernel upgrade < 1256511135 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how did you edit command line arguments for lilo from the prompt? You know, for when things went wrong < 1256511139 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, at least, I'm pretty sure Ubuntu does that. Anyway, that's silly; it's one line in the package manager to do it. < 1256511149 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, not sure. I'd have to look it up. < 1256511213 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, http://lwn.net/Articles/89772/ is interesting < 1256511216 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just seems to me that lilo is a lot simpler than GRUB, and it isn't in "ONLY BUG FIXES LOL USE OUR MASTURBATORY GRUB 2 CRAP" mode like GRUB 1 is. < 1256511218 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on this topic < 1256511297 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"GRUB has a more powerful, interactive command line interface." // silly bloat that doesn't belong in a bootloader < 1256511310 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so... you hate freebsd bootloader then? < 1256511314 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"LILO stores information about the location of the kernel or other operating system on the Master Boot Record" // simple, as it should be. the distro should obviously automatically update lilo on kernel upgrades < 1256511314 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it even has forth < 1256511318 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Did I say that? < 1256511327 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just said that that feature is silly bloat that doesn't belong in a bootloader. < 1256511333 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well, extrapolation :P < 1256511357 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a mis-configured LILO configuration file may leave the system unbootable" < 1256511358 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are you changing the lilo configuration yourself without double-checking it works? This is just carelessness. It's easy to break GRUB too. < 1256511381 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Unlike LILO, GRUB has a web site." < 1256511381 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, GRUB has its useless website! I hereby swear off LILO forever. < 1256511391 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a very convincing article. < 1256511397 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, indeed < 1256511406 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I didn't argue for grub or lilo myself < 1256511409 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LAWL WHY DONT WE JUST COMPILE EVERYTHING IN. CONFIG FILES ARE T3H SUCK. < 1256511421 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"reboot" < 1256511422 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You will note that I said none of that. < 1256511431 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or anything for similar idiocy. < 1256511445 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just saying that if you put stuff in the bootloader configuration file — yes! You may break your bootloader. < 1256511448 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually think that "broken menu.lst is possible to work around" is quite an useful feature < 1256511453 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I, personally, believe that [both are] a grave injustice, because the boot loader is the most important software of all. I used to refer to the above systems as either 'LILO' or 'GRUB' systems." < 1256511454 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :— GRUB developer < 1256511465 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes < 1256511466 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("So, if you ever hear people talking about their alleged 'GNU' systems, remember that they are actually paying homage to the best boot loader around: GRUB!") < 1256511466 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1256511470 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure it's joking. < 1256511475 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so am I < 1256511476 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Boot loader, must important? That's fucking retarded. < 1256511480 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's not, that's some pretty unprecedented hubris. < 1256511488 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: The whole quote seems to be a joke: < 1256511489 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people like to acknowledge both the operating system and kernel when they talk about their computers, so they might say they use 'GNU/Linux' or 'GNU/Hurd'. Other people seem to think that the kernel is the most important part of the system, so they like to call their GNU operating systems 'Linux systems'. I, personally, believe that [both are] a grave injustice, because the boot loader is the most important software of all. I used to refer to the above < 1256511491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :systems as either 'LILO' or 'GRUB' systems. Unfortunately, nobody ever understood what I was talking about; now I just use the word 'GNU' as a pseudonym for GRUB. So, if you ever hear people talking about their alleged 'GNU' systems, remember that they are actually paying homage to the best boot loader around: GRUB! < 1256511492 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, then. < 1256511495 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1256511499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's not, wow. < 1256511512 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Booting Linux is, what, 100 lines of code? :P < 1256511595 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The -R command line option is also very useful when you have a dual boot system, for quick shutdown from one system (e.g. Linux) to reboot into another (e.g. Windows) without the timed out delay waiting for the user to select which system to boot." < 1256511598 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, that's a nice lilo thing. < 1256511607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could make a desktop icon for the other OS. < 1256511622 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just have it elevate to root with a graphical thingummie, do the LILO -R, and reboot. < 1256511641 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently there's a patch for GRUB, and it might have got in since 2004, I guess. < 1256511727 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, is it really that useful? 3 second delay? < 1256511731 0 :MizardX!i=MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1256511734 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and uh, arrow key, enter < 1256511747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's good to have. < 1256511754 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, if you just have Linux and Windows it doesn't matter too much.. < 1256511757 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*much. < 1256511760 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But some people have 4, 5 OSs. < 1256511766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I would say eye-candy because it isn't exactly that. But similar < 1256511773 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hm. I want such a large harddrive :P < 1256511774 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, no? < 1256511780 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For one, people use it for unattented kernel upgrades on servers. < 1256511785 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the comments of that article. < 1256511811 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*unattended < 1256511828 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, there is a better way for that in grub. Fallback kernel. And if the new kernel reboots it will fall back on the old if you haven't manually set it to the newer one < 1256511829 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's a command with a minor practical use for users with quite a few OSs, major practical use for server administrators, requires little code, doesn't bother those who don't need it, and has little opportunity for failure. < 1256511831 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what's the problem? < 1256511833 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, fallback savedefault < 1256511837 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, on grub if you have a messed up configuration that stops you booting, you can boot linux manually from the grub command prompt < 1256511840 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: And lilo's is more general andd simpler. < 1256511856 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :immibis: I know that, and it's silly. < 1256511878 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :First, lilo balks if your configuration file is invalid when you run it. Secondly, don't put stuff in the configuration file unless you double-check it first. Failing that, just pop in a live USB stick. < 1256511884 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, sure, minor usage, but still. < 1256511886 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a huge thing. < 1256511899 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, so what is so much *better* with lilo than grub? < 1256511955 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Compiling in configuration to the bootloader? :P < 1256511960 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More minimalist, doesn't have the creaky default behaviour of put-stuff-in-unallocated-sectors that GRUB does, is simple, is not in GRUB's ridiculous "bug-fix only mode because we have a new child and its name is GRUB 2". < 1256511961 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, well yes < 1256511980 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("More minimalist, […] is simple" Guess I'm not a minimalist!) < 1256511996 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it can boot LVM partitions, from what I gather. < 1256511999 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"is not in GRUB's ridiculous "bug-fix only mode because we have a new child and its name is GRUB 2"" <-- so someone actually adds new features to lilo? < 1256512009 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you don't need a regular /boot partition. < 1256512023 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I don't know, but the GRUB maintainers clearly don't like maintaining GRUB 1. < 1256512037 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well true < 1256512045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LILO's last release was in 2007, so it's not really that dead. < 1256512045 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, XD < 1256512046 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That is quite a while, but it *has* been in development since 19992.) < 1256512049 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 2009 now < 1256512051 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*1992 < 1256512051 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :late 2009 < 1256512065 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should just release every year changing the copyright date if they don't have any meaningful changes to make. < 1256512071 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and booting lvm is nice. What if the lvm partition with the kernel moves around? < 1256512074 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens then < 1256512085 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the kernel ends up split over multiple disks < 1256512087 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know. < 1256512098 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read the manual or whatever. < 1256512121 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1256512200 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: why are you comparing lilo to grub 1? why not compare lilo to grub 2? < 1256512201 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: With Lilo, shit breaks. < 1256512220 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if the device number happens to change. < 1256512237 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With GRUB, mu, because it can't do LVM. < 1256512238 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my limited experience, grub 2 just automatically detects all the kernels and writes the config file I want < 1256512243 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: because nobody uses grub 2. < 1256512248 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BRB < 1256512249 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, I do < 1256512250 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*brb < 1256512262 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :debian unstable does < 1256512264 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With GRUB 2, it groks LVM. < 1256512350 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oddly this debian despite being a product of 2009 doesn't use GUIDs for mounting stuff < 1256512441 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC, great. Because I had to change that on my ubuntu laptop. UUIDs break with encrypted root + crypttab < 1256512497 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it can be hard to know what the kernel is going to call a partition in situations in which you can't boot the kernel < 1256512500 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1256512516 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, there might be enough stuff in the initrd to find out < 1256512539 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the initrd is rather neat; it even has an editor in it < 1256512555 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back in the day it would have counted as a well-equipped unix system < 1256512570 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for lack of compiler I suppose < 1256512768 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC, initramfs you mean < 1256512773 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :initrd != initramfs < 1256512787 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, maybe < 1256512795 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the difference? < 1256512813 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initrd < 1256512824 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a comparsion there < 1256512842 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comparison* < 1256513062 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1256513072 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grub 2 is even more bloated :) < 1256513076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is the developers' plaything < 1256513086 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, sounds great then < 1256513100 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you like unstable, bloated software? < 1256513117 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes if you don't ;P < 1256513122 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no, not really) < 1256513131 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really hate using windows 3.0 as a main OS < 1256513133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUICK, AnMaster < 1256513133 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DO IT < 1256513143 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1256513150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Real memory management, to make GNU GRUB more extensible." < 1256513154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GRUB 2: Now with memory management. < 1256513159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh but you hate me agreeing with you < 1256513169 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so. Thus I agree windows 3.0 is painful < 1256513170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Graphical interface." < 1256513179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GRUB 2: Please, spend all your time in me. < 1256513182 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, sounds like EFI++ < 1256513186 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't want to boot those OSs. I have everything they have! < 1256513190 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Scripting support, such as conditionals, loops, variables and functions." < 1256513214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now! Use an AI to decide which OS to boot! < 1256513214 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the feature you've all asked for! < 1256513217 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :port firefox to it < 1256513220 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In conclusion: lol grub 2 suxz < 1256513222 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sux < 1256513250 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are those things really downsides? < 1256513251 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grub 1 is nice though < 1256513259 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bloat is a downside. < 1256513269 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, then freebsd bootloader is bloated < 1256513271 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it actually matter on modern machines? < 1256513272 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fact that what I quoted constitutes a large part of GRUB 2's feature list means that they aren't spending time on important things < 1256513275 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it supports AMS forth < 1256513277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIKE ACTUALLY MAKING A DECENT BOOTLOADER < 1256513303 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what dose it not do that you want it to? < 1256513304 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: That may be so. < 1256513352 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is it better than LILO? Does it add anything useful over it? The thing that's been mentioned is LVM support, i.e. bringing it in line with LILO. < 1256513369 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And bloat is definitely a downside, so that's a point against it. < 1256513397 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I find that the "possible to recover from error" to be a pretty good reason. < 1256513403 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for grub1 at least < 1256513408 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grub2 I don't know < 1256513410 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC is specifically telling me to do LILO vs grub2. < 1256513425 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is one advantage of grub 1, however, IMO, it is not a big one, and LILO has other points in its favour. < 1256513435 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does lilo automatically get informed when you install a new kernel, so it gets used on next reboot? < 1256513443 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, IMO it *is* a big one < 1256513444 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But GRUB 2? GRUB 1, plus bloat, plus LVM support, which lilo has. < 1256513453 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I have argued against that. But sure, give that point to GRUB 1. < 1256513465 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: Yes, if your package manager tells it afterwards. < 1256513470 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1256513474 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it doesn't? Sounds like your distro is populated by GRUB users. < 1256513483 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like when kernel ended up seeing it has hd0,0 but grub as hd1,0. Easy to recover. Oh and I tried lilo back then too. It ended up with same issue < 1256513485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not really fair to lilo that the distros don't do it. < 1256513492 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was "is pata or sata disk hd0" < 1256513494 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically < 1256513540 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, my experience is that I install grub 2 and it just works (here) < 1256513550 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I lack the knowlege to say much more < 1256513573 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mwahaha disarm the opponent with false humility, making him look bad) < 1256513578 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1256513584 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops did I actually type that? < 1256513586 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignorance is not the same as humility :P < 1256513596 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a distro that supports calling it automatically (probably not many nowadays), and not putting random stupid shit into the config file, lilo should just work too. < 1256513611 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, use lilo then < 1256513629 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget who was on the lilo side < 1256513644 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not me < 1256513647 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on the grub1 side < 1256513655 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :odd < 1256513671 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone uses GRUB 1, dude. :P < 1256513673 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I'm on the lilo side. < 1256513704 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just realised that I was all boo, lilo is old and crufty, yay, GRUB is awesome and then I realised that GRUB had some points I don't like about it and I couldn't actually reason why GRUB was better, so I investigated. < 1256513716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it turns out that lilo might actually be better, so yeah. It's just me investigating common dogma. < 1256513787 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elilo can boot efi iirc < 1256513790 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that isn't lilo < 1256513793 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is elilo < 1256513796 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a fork iirc < 1256513849 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elilo is just lilo for EFI./ < 1256513851 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*EFI. < 1256513857 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's basically the only native EFI loader. < 1256513871 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funny, though, to have the bloated GRUB2-ish EFI boot into the minimalist lilo. < 1256513939 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh yeah < 1256513946 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, can't grub2 handle EFI iirc? < 1256513951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And your toaster. < 1256513958 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, and your mom < 1256514416 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1256514455 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIP SimonRC ????—2009 < 1256515159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night ⤥ < 1256515192 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're still here, AnMaster