< 1256860914 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1256861629 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1256861835 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Somehow "be-" strengthens the verb, giving it a wider or more intense meaning. räkna (count) -> beräkna (calculate); sitta (sit) -> besitta (posess, occupy) < 1256861853 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you in those two cases they also turn the verb transitive afaict < 1256861880 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :be- is a prefix borrowed from german, i'm not sure it has a clear meaning there either < 1256861932 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually the transitivization may be a general part of it, but i don't feel it says everything < 1256862036 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is trying to think of an example of be- added to a verb that is already transitive. maybe there aren't any.
< 1256862083 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are. I thought of one a few minutes ago, but can't remember it right now... :S < 1256862088 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also besitte is not the same as sette, another way of making sitte transitive. < 1256862165 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :röra (transitive) -> berära (transitive) < 1256862171 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bröra* < 1256862196 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, that's also in norwegian (røre/berøre) < 1256862196 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though, in this case, the meaning is almost unchanged. < 1256862217 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well røre is more like "move", berøre is "touch" < 1256862238 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :berøre is sort of less drastic :) < 1256862251 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :röra could mean both move and touch < 1256862255 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means in this case be- is _not_ an intensifier, hm < 1256862333 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"röra" in the sense of "to touch" vs. "beröra" is slightly intensfied, in a sensual way. < 1256862341 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have somehow this general feeling of vagueness for all those german "unseparable" verb prefixes (be- ge- er- come to mind) < 1256862379 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it probably gets even worse for borrowing into our scandinavian languages < 1256862576 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er- = 1) Inseparable verbal prefix that indicates a successful conclusion, leads to the wanted result. 2) Inseparable verbal prefix that indicates killing or dying. < 1256862730 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er ist ermördet geworden! < 1256862748 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the killing part comes from elsewhere, there < 1256862804 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait no ö just o < 1256862830 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fooled by swedish :D < 1256864942 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1256865093 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1256865189 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of my favourite words from the little bit of German I learned in school: the verb entgegengehen -- "to go toward something", approximately -- and especially the past perfect tense: entgegengegangen. < 1256865199 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Handwritten, it looks especially juicy. < 1256865287 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I can get a legal copy of Virtual PC, should I? < 1256865413 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's one of those funky separable German verbs -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_language#Separable_prefixes -- so in the (for example first-person singular) present tense it's a reasonably boring "Ich gehe ... entgegen"; it's just the past perfect tense "Ich bin ... entgegengegangen" where it really shines. < 1256865575 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never go against an ent, i say < 1256865610 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Virtual PC 2007 doesn't cost anything, so that shouldn't be the problem; VirtualBox is better though. < 1256865610 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's sad that the only place I've heard of Ents are Runescape < 1256865621 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming you're talking about Microsoft Virtual PC < 1256865827 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPT_3PEjnsE is inspiring me to power up my old computer < 1256865851 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1256865862 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Collect the AWGate songs (that song is an AWGate song), collect some pictures, and find the oldest file on the computer < 1256866743 0 :adam_d!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1256869117 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@77-100-194-169.cable.ubr04.pres.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1256869147 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1256869180 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where < 1256869194 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, AWGate in AW used to play MIDIs all the time < 1256869210 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh-huh < 1256869222 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of those songs are now songs that, when I hear them, trigger what I guess is nostalgia < 1256869251 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My reaction when I hear the full version of one of those songs for the first time is rather extreme < 1256872621 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here? < 1256872671 0 :Kalagar!n=email@68.43.90.165 JOIN :#esoteric < 1256872715 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*chirp* < 1256872723 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1256872725 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks, oerjan < 1256872754 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just lamenting the fact that apparently everyone in the world lacks the capacity to make a decent organizational chart < 1256872797 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know anyone who knows how? < 1256872857 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan? < 1256872876 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure i have never done so :D < 1256872918 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't organizational charts pure instruments of evil, anyhow. < 1256872941 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ones you know of, maybe < 1256872968 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's probably because they were doing it the wrong way < 1256872970 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mostly know them from dilbert, of course ;D < 1256872973 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1256873005 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it seems apparent that corporations royally suck at making such things < 1256873018 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there *is* a good way of making them < 1256873046 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, tell me what's wrong with this: < 1256873047 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mc-med.eu/Chart.htm < 1256873185 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i detect that it was made by evil muslims < 1256873316 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will be fine as soon as they admit the armenian genocide. < 1256873337 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, don't expect a serious answer from me on such matters. < 1256873414 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hopes Oranjer is not turkish or at least is not taking me seriously
< 1256874113 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1256874115 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1256874126 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, we were making oreo pudding pie stuff < 1256874312 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1256874382 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah just like you to leave me here going off the deep end < 1256874411 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION eats some bread
< 1256874416 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1256874427 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1256874477 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you seem to be taking me seriously. didn't i already warn you against that? < 1256874503 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sorry < 1256874510 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1256874515 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I apologize, prime minister oerjan < 1256874525 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will cease taking you seriously < 1256874529 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_much_ better < 1256874561 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except on mathematics. i sometimes behave rationally on that subject. < 1256874601 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, how you joke, sir! *laugh track* < 1256874642 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose that is an improvement < 1256874642 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION curses the very existance of "sfArk" files
< 1256874653 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a "sfArk" file? < 1256874664 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION blesses the very fact he doesn't know that
< 1256874667 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A compression method for SoundFont files < 1256874673 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1256874681 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Requires special software to open < 1256874683 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you had to ruin my state of bliss! < 1256874708 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh-huh < 1256874717 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, MizardX, are you there? < 1256874723 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1256874727 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1256874734 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry for leaving you hanging as well :( < 1256874740 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but! I did research < 1256874796 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it turns out that there must not exist a single place on the internet where one can find either: an explanation as to how the European Parliament does their decision-making; and a goddamn organizational chart for the EU < 1256874843 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1256874950 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.hardtechgroup.eu/fileadmin/hg/img/en/org-chart_1.gif < 1256874954 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, oerjan < 1256874972 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that chart is indecipherable to a ten year old < 1256874979 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no fuckin' excuse < 1256875022 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, finally < 1256875023 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.dadalos-europe.org/int/Images_neu/gk4_sb02.gif < 1256875028 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the best I've found so far < 1256875105 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.dadalos-europe.org/int/grundkurs4/eu-struktur_1.htm < 1256875109 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, that's the site < 1256875124 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's a fairly good overview of the structure < 1256875428 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES YES OOOOOOOOOOH YES YES YES < 1256875429 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer: all you really need to know is the stuff at the very bottom! < 1256875442 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell < 1256875449 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I GOT TIMIDITY WORKING WITH UNISON < 1256875459 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that mean < 1256875466 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, MIDIs play BEAUTIFULLY < 1256875471 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1256875513 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used Timidity+Unison a long time ago to turn my midis into Ogg Vorbis files, and it's what I'm used to, so it's also a beautifully familiar sound < 1256875533 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal, what do you mean? < 1256875540 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, okay, Sgeo < 1256875548 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay midis? < 1256875571 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer: the stuff at the bottom of http://www.hardtechgroup.eu/fileadmin/hg/img/en/org-chart_1.gif < 1256875586 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Innovation Fairness Harmony ? < 1256875632 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :goshdarnit why does every corp-o in existence need a three word slogan? they sound so evil < 1256875663 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Secure. Contain. Protect. < 1256875666 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1256875671 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Omnicorp? < 1256875674 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know < 1256875682 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scp-wiki.wikidot.com < 1256875691 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1256875742 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome, Sgeo, what's that? < 1256875773 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, the SCP Foundation has files on the ... things that it contains < 1256875781 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see that < 1256875790 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they remind me of several things < 1256875824 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. the Warehouse from Indy, 2. the Warehouse from Warehouse-13, 3. The items in "The Lost Room" < 1256876077 0 :Kalagar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wow. GOTO plus plus < 1256876080 0 :Kalagar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aahaha < 1256876092 0 :Kalagar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, GOTO++ rather < 1256876105 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1256876116 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer: does that include google's "Don't Be Evil"? :D < 1256876120 0 :Kalagar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just going through the huge list of languages < 1256876129 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, oerjan, you and your paradoxes < 1256876136 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what languages, Kalagar? < 1256876145 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*"Don't be evil" < 1256876153 0 :Kalagar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on esolangs.org/wiki/Language_list < 1256876175 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I mean three words that are not in the same sentence < 1256876200 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, three separate concepts that, working together, are supposedly what the company works by/toward < 1256876214 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the more nicer they sound, the eviller the company < 1256876230 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1256876238 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Peace. Truth. Prosperity." < 1256876252 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Good. Nice. Yay!" < 1256876334 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Butterflies. Rainbows. Unicorns. < 1256876344 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1256876358 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cookies. Candy. You. < 1256876358 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Part of a balanced diet. < 1256876363 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahahaahahaha < 1256876373 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your comment makes more sense after mine < 1256876375 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could apply to both of those... < 1256876385 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Cookies, Candy, You. Part of a balanced diet.: < 1256876388 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*" < 1256876394 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :freakin' beautiful < 1256876459 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://shc.osu.edu/blog/food-is-an-important-part-of-a-balanced-diet/ < 1256876529 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1256876548 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i just pasted it for the title < 1256876565 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theonion.com/content/node/39313 < 1256876570 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I pasted that for the content < 1256876584 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am sorely disappointed in its url < 1256876625 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1256876658 0 :Kalagar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the TwoDucks language broke my brain < 1256876661 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it would take a ramanujan to find that url interesting < 1256876669 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :link please Kalagar < 1256876674 0 :Kalagar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/TwoDucks < 1256876682 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1256876998 0 :immibis!n=immibis@125-236-169-73.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1256877048 0 :Kalagar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, shakespeare is amazing and I want to try it < 1256877068 0 :Kalagar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://shakespearelang.sourceforge.net/ < 1256877102 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard of that < 1256877124 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's too full of extraneous info, though, but that's just me < 1256877134 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*not info, text < 1256877157 0 :Kalagar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well its definately not a minimalized language if that's what you are going for < 1256877254 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1256877256 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To code, or not to code, that is the question. < 1256877272 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want as minimalized as possible, allowing for readibility < 1256877292 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, if it's not readable, it's too minimalized < 1256878746 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1256879090 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This place feels like a Geocities site in 3d < 1256879113 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1256879115 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what place < 1256879118 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! < 1256879122 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ActiveWorlds? < 1256879140 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, a place in AW, yes < 1256879162 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone who thinks this channel feels like a Geocities site in 3d clearly has ingested something bad < 1256879170 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1256879180 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol oerjan < 1256879187 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1256879196 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that just gave me a horrible idea < 1256879209 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an irc client that displays the letters in three D < 1256879215 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just for the helluvit < 1256881009 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This hotel looks... crappier than my nostalgia remembers :( < 1256881023 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1256881067 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, there's a picture here, that's supposed to come from Geocities :( < 1256881104 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1256881596 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.4/20091016092926]" < 1256885170 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1256885721 0 :Kalagar!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1256886625 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1256887582 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1256888030 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1256888270 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1256888270 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1256888272 0 :Rembane!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :wolfe.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1256888394 0 :Rembane!i=rembane@frikod.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1256888554 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-142-65.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1256888612 0 :Gregor!n=gregor@65.183.185.22 JOIN :#esoteric < 1256889599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1256889600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1256903074 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-155-73-22.range86-155.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1256904106 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1256904203 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-155-73-22.range86-155.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1256905637 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1256905762 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-155-73-22.range86-155.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1256906924 0 :fax!n=somebody@unaffiliated/fax JOIN :#esoteric < 1256909041 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Success < 1256909069 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-155-73-22.range86-155.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1256911164 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1256911289 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-155-73-22.range86-155.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1256912338 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1256912349 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1256912370 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-155-73-22.range86-155.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1256913050 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1256913465 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1256913571 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-155-73-22.range86-155.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1256914759 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Success < 1256914889 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-155-73-22.range86-155.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1256916592 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :time for my connection to time out again < 1256916647 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it should have done so already, maybe it's stopped < 1256917186 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1256917915 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1256917964 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1256917980 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1256918183 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, seems new ubuntu version was released < 1256918188 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any major issues? < 1256918244 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, by the way, for how many days does the old release keep being supported? < 1256918248 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, ex4 seems to have corruption problems with large files < 1256918257 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, 18 months for ordinary releases < 1256918259 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ouch. I use ext4 < 1256918267 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with extents < 1256918271 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can't go back to ext3 < 1256918271 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every third or fourth is a long-term release supported for longer < 1256918279 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, jaunty for me so... < 1256918285 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it isn't confirmed yet, and they're having trouble reproducing it < 1256918294 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I will wait with upgrade then < 1256918323 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so jaunty is supported for 18 months from when it was released or from when the next version is? < 1256918325 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on ext3, anyway, so it shouldn't affect me < 1256918328 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: from when it's released < 1256918333 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, when was that? < 1256918338 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :April this year < 1256918342 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah good < 1256918531 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Upstart jobs cannot be run in a chroot" hm < 1256918537 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly it might affect my 32-bit chroot < 1256918804 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm about ext4... When I tried karmic beta in a VM some time ago I did get fs corruption on ext4. Severe such (making that VM completely unbootable, and fsck didn't manage to recover) < 1256918822 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tried again from clean, and it worked < 1256919081 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1256919209 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-155-73-22.range86-155.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1256919474 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeargh. A thread on a mailing list, so deep that when using tree view some of the messages end up outside my screen < 1256919482 0 :ais523_!n=ais523@147.188.254.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1256919489 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh guess you missed that then < 1256919492 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : yeargh. A thread on a mailing list, so deep that when using tree view some of the messages end up outside my screen < 1256919498 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1256919500 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ais523 < 1256919536 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would guess it is around 50-60 levels deep < 1256919543 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or more < 1256920211 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1256920249 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, argh it seems worse: http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14354 < 1256920251 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff like that < 1256920272 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1256920276 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kernel does karmic use? < 1256920279 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.6.31? < 1256920289 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-155-73-22.range86-155.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1256920290 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I use ext4 on top of dm-crypt... < 1256920468 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1256921561 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1256921609 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-155-73-22.range86-155.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1256922997 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1256923049 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-155-73-22.range86-155.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1256923518 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1256923536 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1256924062 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"." < 1256924966 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1256925438 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is fun < 1256925454 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the distro upgrade's just replaced libc6 with libc-bin < 1256925456 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I should be careful not to close any programs, in case they don't open again < 1256925648 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, Perl still seems to work < 1256925654 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as does nethack < 1256925746 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as does Emacs, but it took a while to load < 1256925753 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably because its dependencies weren't in disk cache < 1256926178 0 :fax!n=somebody@unaffiliated/fax JOIN :#esoteric < 1256926958 0 :Oranjer!n=Owner@adsl-243-209-62.cae.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1256927250 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1256927374 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, who are you saying "what" to? < 1256927387 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone and everything < 1256927407 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you part of that, AnMaster? < 1256927413 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, what exactly did the line " what?" mean? < 1256927426 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it some weird sort of sgeo-ish greeting? < 1256927428 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a greeting of sorts < 1256927432 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1256927434 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1256927439 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, rather confusing < 1256927444 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's better than the usual ":O" < 1256927453 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1256927482 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, "hello" "hi" "good evening" and similar phrases are more usual. The latter one is probably not recommended over IRC due to time zones < 1256927495 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes it is 18:31 local time and already pitch dark outside
< 1256927507 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1256927511 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PARTY! < 1256927519 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, "aww" in response to? < 1256927532 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :teh darkness outside your house < 1256927544 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like their music, but still. we all got limits < 1256927599 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1256927604 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's up? < 1256927672 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I like their music, but still. we all got limits <-- my turn to say "what‽" < 1256927689 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Darkness is a band < 1256927695 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, never heard of it < 1256927700 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1256927705 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, I don't care about popular culture < 1256927714 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"popular culture" < 1256927719 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be one of those numbered rules: if it's a phrase, there's a band named it < 1256927745 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you realize that if I realized I cared about popular culture, I would have to commit ritualized suicide? < 1256927746 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atm I'm listening to the 1700 century composer Kraus. Symphony in C Sharp Minor, movement 1 < 1256927784 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Darkness is contemporary glam metal, I would guess < 1256927788 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kraus is sadly rather unknown. Better than Mozart IMO < 1256927792 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, "glam metal"? < 1256927796 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aye < 1256927800 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :falsetto voices < 1256927809 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hairspray all over the place < 1256927810 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, huh. Strange are the ways of modern music < 1256927816 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"modern"? < 1256927824 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, well. Anything after the jazz < 1256927830 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you realize glam metal is distinctly 80's < 1256927840 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, see my last line < 1256927846 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, and no I don't < 1256927852 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I have no clue what glam metal is < 1256927904 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you may not appreciate the last 40 years or so of western human culture, but that's no reason to have never have heard of glam metal < 1256927904 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1256928017 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only time I come in contact with music composed after 1950 or so is when I play some old snes games and such. And fantasy game music tends to be inspired by some mix of classical music (I here use the phrase "classical music" in the vulgar sense that includes the romantic period too, not just the classical period during which, for example, Mozart lived) and a tiny bit of techo < 1256928023 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :techno* < 1256928042 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay techno! < 1256928047 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, not really < 1256928055 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yayayayay < 1256928066 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said tiny bit. :P < 1256928092 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1256928252 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways < 1256928398 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, anyways what? < 1256928408 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways, anything < 1256928415 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the next topic? < 1256928422 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*is* there a next topic? < 1256928454 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/music/ < 1256928456 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1256928468 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION points to Gregor in here.
< 1256928476 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He has quite a "good" music taste ;P < 1256928537 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* I hate that I have no program that can play oggs < 1256928543 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, you fail < 1256928548 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardly < 1256928555 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bloody oggs < 1256928567 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wantin' to standardize music under my nose < 1256928573 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blargh! blargh! < 1256928576 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, yeah *.flac is better < 1256928582 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-lossy < 1256928587 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh-huh < 1256928613 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have yet to find anything else that is non-lossy and gives as good compression < 1256928629 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.exe < 1256928631 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1256928638 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh that made no sense < 1256928671 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha! < 1256928673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, anyway you can encapsulate flac inside ogg (instead of vorbis like usually) < 1256928681 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, okay < 1256928688 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know what that means < 1256928708 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ogg is a container format. Usually it contains vorbis. But other formats are supported. < 1256928714 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1256928717 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like theora (spelling?) for video and such < 1256928728 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1256928728 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and flac, though usually flac is used stand-alone < 1256928737 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1256928803 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, anyway ogg should be easy. vlc? mplayer? xine? /usr/bin/ogg123 (command line, but tiny compared to those other ones mentioned, since they are full featured media players) < 1256928813 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, anyway. What linux distro? < 1256928822 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be trivial to install something able to handle it < 1256928826 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahahahahaha < 1256928831 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think I use linux < 1256928833 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1256928850 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I used linux, I would already have had an .ogg program < 1256928854 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAIT < 1256928858 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vlc plays oggs? < 1256928859 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could try VLC < 1256928860 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1256928862 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, it should < 1256928875 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1256928877 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool, thanks < 1256928879 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, unless possibly if it was some very very ancient version < 1256928886 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vlc just keeps surprising me < 1256928935 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general vlc can play anything. And if it can't at least mplayer can. Or (only seen this once, with a rather unusual multi-part quicktime video from nasa...) xine if everything else fails < 1256928974 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1256929002 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, in general xine is less likely to work than the other ones though < 1256929014 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mplayer is probably most likely to work, but yeah the UI is rather sucky < 1256929024 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1256929041 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love vlc's keyboard controls < 1256929127 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, not really < 1256929145 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1256929147 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? < 1256929172 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're the only ones that I've seen that let me use the keyboard to rewind/skip forward < 1256929174 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, wow http://codu.org/music/GRegor-op11.ogg was awesome. And awesomely realistic piano. What soundfont was THAT? < 1256929183 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, was it a live recording of you playing? < 1256929198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, awesomely professional sound recording < 1256929233 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, pretty sure mplayer does that. With the arrow keys < 1256929256 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I've found < 1256929257 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, would love score for http://codu.org/music/GRegor-op10.ogg < 1256929264 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shall try it now, though < 1256929270 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, you used any front end to mplayer? < 1256929288 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, well maybe that is why < 1256929288 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so.. < 1256929293 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION meant raw mplayer with no buttons and such
< 1256929308 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1256929379 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, the midi files you might have more trouble with. Unless you have a good sound card with hardware midi and a good sound font < 1256929407 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope! < 1256929407 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION uses airfont340 personally. One of the best free ones I found that have a good representation of all instrument
< 1256929412 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instruments* < 1256929424 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION loves his Soundblaster Live! 5.1
< 1256929478 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1256929925 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge a"!dlorw ,olleH">:#,_@ < 1256929937 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge a"!dlorw ,olleH">:#._@ < 1256929942 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what have I done wrong? < 1256929943 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unsupported instruction 'a' (0x61) (maybe not Befunge-93?) < 1256929943 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unsupported instruction 'a' (0x61) (maybe not Befunge-93?) < 1256929960 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 a"!dlorw ,olleH">:#,_@ < 1256929966 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems slow < 1256929969 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, wrold! < 1256929970 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1256929971 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help . < 1256929977 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 a"!dlorw ,olleH">:#,_@ < 1256929979 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1256929980 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge a"!dlrow ,olleH">:#._@ < 1256929984 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge a"!dlrow ,olleH">:#,_@ < 1256929984 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unsupported instruction 'a' (0x61) (maybe not Befunge-93?) < 1256929986 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, wrold! < 1256929988 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unsupported instruction 'a' (0x61) (maybe not Befunge-93?) < 1256929991 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the helow command was not as slow < 1256929992 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 a"!dlrow ,olleH">:#,_@ < 1256929995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*help* < 1256929997 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1256929997 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world! < 1256929998 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help . < 1256930012 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen Maybe busy? < 1256930015 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!info < 1256930016 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot is a bot for running programs in esoteric programming languages. If you'd like to add support for your language to EgoBot, check out the source via mercurial at https://codu.org/projects/egobot/hg/ . Cheers and patches (preferably hg bundles) can be sent to Richards@codu.org , PayPal donations can be sent to AKAQuinn@hotmail.com , complaints can be sent to /dev/null < 1256930019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help languages < 1256930020 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :languages: Esoteric: 1l 2l adjust asm axo bch befunge befunge98 bf bf8 bf16 bf32 boolfuck cintercal clcintercal dimensifuck glass glypho haskell kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain perl qbf rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 underload unlambda whirl. Competitive: bfjoust fyb. Other: asm c cxx forth sh. < 1256930031 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, asm is in esoteric list? < 1256930036 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well as the "other" list < 1256930036 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl? < 1256930049 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX, perl is in the right section :P < 1256930052 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :138 +++++++++++[>+++++++++++>+++++++>+++>+<<<<-]>>.++++++++++++++++++++.<.>+.+++.>-.<---.<----.--.++++++.>>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>-. [260] < 1256930073 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I suspect uptime on the system EgoBot is running on would output some rather high load avg < 1256930138 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print $_ for 1..9; < 1256930147 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :123456789 < 1256930158 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, Perl isn't an esolang < 1256930178 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print 1..9 < 1256930184 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :123456789 < 1256930236 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what is $_ ? < 1256930250 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: a pronoun < 1256930256 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, it's a variable used as the default < 1256930260 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't specify one < 1256930262 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm < 1256930272 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I could just write it like this < 1256930275 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print for 1..9; < 1256930279 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that would be even more confusing < 1256930281 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :123456789 < 1256930300 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the for modifier uses $_ as the iterator, because you can't specify it) < 1256930326 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what about for in front? < 1256930328 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1256930333 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like SANE languages do it < 1256930345 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl for my $a (1..9) {print $a;} < 1256930347 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :123456789 < 1256930355 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, plus what about Deewiant's solution above < 1256930370 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's entirely different, he's printing an array rather than looping < 1256930375 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just it comes to the same thing < 1256930379 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1256930380 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yeah that was my point < 1256930398 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl $,='a'; $/='b'; print 1..9; print for 1..9; < 1256930398 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1256930404 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1a2a3a4a5a6a7a8a9123456789 < 1256930410 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does ogg theora still use *.ogg? < 1256930413 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$/? < 1256930413 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl $,='a'; $\='b'; print 1..9; print for 1..9; < 1256930417 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1256930420 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1a2a3a4a5a6a7a8a9b1b2b3b4b5b6b7b8b9b < 1256930421 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: line separator on input < 1256930425 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant line separator on output < 1256930426 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1256930469 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what is $, and $/ ? < 1256930477 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why so short names < 1256930491 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: $/ is line separator on input, $, is array element separator on output < 1256930503 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and $\? < 1256930507 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they're short because why make them long? also, all-punctuation variables can't be defined by the user < 1256930512 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and $\ is line separator on output < 1256930527 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well ok. But why not use a single prefix like $. < 1256930529 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1256930534 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$.OUTLINESEP < 1256930537 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever < 1256930558 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, the overuse of hard to remember punctuation is one of the main issue I have with perl < 1256930637 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl use English; $OUTPUT_RECORD_SEPARATOR='b'; $OUTPUT_FIELD_SEPARATOR='a'; print 1..9; print for 1..9; < 1256930639 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better? < 1256930641 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1256930647 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1a2a3a4a5a6a7a8a9b1b2b3b4b5b6b7b8b9b < 1256930659 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :personally I think the punctuation is easier, I had to go look the long names up < 1256930715 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the long names were the default you'd've had to look the punctuation up < 1256930868 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, because no Perlist wants to type lines that long < 1256930890 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do a lot on a line with Perl, you don't want to waste half of it typing long complicated variable names like that < 1256931033 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just disagreeing with your statement that the punctuation is easier < 1256931052 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're used to it; that doesn't make it intrinsically easier < 1256931059 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I'm giving a reason why people would memorise the short names not the long names < 1256931067 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're both written next to each other in the documentation < 1256931086 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and writing use English; isn't an issue, I'm used to that sort of thing (and knew that was the directive to change off by heart) < 1256931100 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$_ being only two chars long is pretty important, though < 1256931112 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like "it" is only two letters long < 1256931126 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : personally I think the punctuation is easier, I had to go look the long names up <-- that is just because you are used to it. < 1256931128 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It helps that pretty much every tutorial and piece of documentation probably uses the punctuation :-) < 1256931130 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it makes it harder to learn < 1256931142 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: and pretty much every program uses it too < 1256931153 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've ever seen a program that uses the long version of $_ rather than $_ < 1256931154 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That follows from the documentation < 1256931165 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the fact that the long names are newer than the punctuation < 1256931169 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, the man page gives mnemonics for all the punctuation variables < 1256931209 0 :ehiird!n=ehiird@91.105.101.218 JOIN :#esoteric < 1256931239 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : they're both written next to each other in the documentation <-- so English is some official one rather than an Acme one? < 1256931239 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :helo < 1256931251 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1256931254 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ehiird < 1256931289 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah this client is so awesome < 1256931327 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:02:25 This is what's wrong with Python. And //-based comments. < 1256931327 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are a bad person also wrong < 1256931329 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1256931350 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1256931362 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: English is in the Perl distribution < 1256931368 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:06:10 ais523, what about that yencode or whatever it was called < 1256931368 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:06:19 pretty sure I seen it somewhere on usenet < 1256931368 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.exit109.com/~jeremy/news/yenc.html < 1256931368 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's for binaries; plus it only does one file < 1256931368 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :together with various other modules < 1256931406 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 03:02:25 This is what's wrong with Python. And //-based comments. <-- iirc they are # not // < 1256931424 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: those are two separate complaints < 1256931440 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you mean, not related to python? < 1256931443 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. Python has trouble with line-wrapping, and //-based comments also have trouble with line-wrapping < 1256931449 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't imply that //-based comments are in Python, though < 1256931467 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why does // have more issues than # in python or perl? < 1256931470 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was out of context < 1256931482 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: they don't, but they have an alternative, which is /* */ < 1256931490 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, python does? Huh? < 1256931493 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I think the discussion at the time was about some lang which had /* */ < 1256931495 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably C < 1256931499 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no < 1256931500 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1256931502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1256931506 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, languages with // also have /* */, generally speaking < 1256931507 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what about perl? < 1256931508 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:00:33 ais523, that would only make sense if every file had that < 1256931508 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:00:39 which is not the case < 1256931508 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:00:47 just two out of around 20 or so < 1256931508 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:00:48 oh, where I've seen that, every file /did/ have that < 1256931508 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:01:48 ais523, plus catting them together would be a bit strange. Oh and it wouldn't be very useful since there are both server/main.c and client/main.c (only the former has such a comment at the end btw) < 1256931510 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:02:07 and yeah it would be an insane way to distribute a program < 1256931512 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:02:25 This is what's wrong with Python. And //-based comments. < 1256931514 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, ah right < 1256931516 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I remember < 1256931520 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas languages with # generally don't have #{ } < 1256931521 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, why the extra i btw? < 1256931521 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hi Perl6) < 1256931522 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems totally out of context. < 1256931532 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: using the ii filesystem-based, <500 lines IRC client < 1256931536 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but python does, """...""" < 1256931536 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's totally kick-ass! < 1256931537 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, oh hah < 1256931547 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: that is technically a string :-P < 1256931550 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess you knew that, and it's not as flexible < 1256931571 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird: are you using cat, then? < 1256931575 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to actually communicate? < 1256931579 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird: well yes, but it's also a very official form of commenting < 1256931581 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vi < 1256931584 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1256931587 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect < 1256931588 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, I thought doc strings were for help("module name goes here")? And was only possible in some special places. Like directly below a def foo(): line or such < 1256931588 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and multitail to view the log as it goes < 1256931594 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and class obviously) < 1256931598 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: vim technically < 1256931599 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and probably a few more) < 1256931602 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not quite as purist < 1256931629 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: possible everywhere, and you don't need to use them just for doc strings, for instance i've obviously never used those < 1256931632 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I have a lot of windows open atm < 1256931634 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, I have a vi somewhere from the heirloom project thingy iirc < 1256931636 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean docstrings < 1256931661 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh lag < 1256931662 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :distro upgrade, so I daren't shut them again < 1256931662 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird: incidentally, I've been using Windows 7 on my office computer < 1256931662 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the taskbar is really annoying me < 1256931664 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the method I have to use to switch to a window with the mouse depends on how many of them are open < 1256931666 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1256931671 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I set vim up like this: < 1256931671 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means I can't muscle-memorise it < 1256931671 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :map we :w >>irc.freenode.net/\#esoteric/indg < 1256931671 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imap /me ACTION^[OD < 1256931671 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, that is totally false < 1256931674 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1256931686 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything from " distro upgrade, so I daren't shut them again" to " also, that is totally false" arrived at once < 1256931688 0 :Oranjer1!n=Owner@adsl-243-220-33.cae.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1256931695 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, did I break this < 1256931696 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird: what would you suggest I do, then? < 1256931703 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, did I break this < 1256931714 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1256931716 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm happy to hear improvements, especially as I'm stuck with it < 1256931723 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that map we is old < 1256931726 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, what about unicøde? < 1256931735 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hopes this break something for ehiird
< 1256931738 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make it: map we :w >>irc.freenode.net/\#esoteric/in:%d < 1256931749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃☃☃☃ < 1256931762 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you're free to fuck off if you're going to say things with the explicit purpose of breaking my client, but no, at the moment I do not have it set up to handle unicode correctly < 1256931799 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, not breaking as such. Rather testing that it works. As a helpful service < 1256931810 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, sure. < 1256931820 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, since I'm likely to use unicode later. And then it might be more annoying if it breaks < 1256931826 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, btw, what OS are you on atm? OS X? < 1256931832 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, it should be: map we :w >>irc.freenode.net/\#esoteric/in:%d < 1256931841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION guesses linux or OS X
< 1256931844 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really fail at vim command history < 1256931853 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird: that wasn't an attempt to break your client; I was wondering what would happen < 1256931856 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: os x. switching to linux soon. < 1256931859 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume that ii doesnt' really parse ctcps < 1256931863 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I was talking to Anmaster < 1256931867 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1256931868 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*AnMaster < 1256931878 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I can just use sed or something if I want pretty ACTIONs. < 1256931879 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's a respon-to-ctcp-version-by-hand style client? < 1256931902 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you all SHUT UP while i copy this command from the irc window, my terminal sucks at seelection when things move < 1256931905 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*selection < 1256931917 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tada < 1256931920 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanx < 1256931933 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1256931949 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ehiird: that wasn't an attempt to break your client; I was wondering what would happen <-- about? < 1256931954 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the unicode? < 1256931958 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I /ctcp versioned him < 1256931961 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1256931971 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway, no, it doesn't support ctcp < 1256931975 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah; didn't even notice < 1256931980 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have the server tab open < 1256931986 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(tab; i.e. file opened in multitail :P) < 1256931994 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : can you all SHUT UP while i copy this command from the irc window, my terminal sucks at seelection when things move <-- fail. Or something. Something fails at least. < 1256931996 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is multitail, btw? < 1256932011 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :multitail is like tail -f but you can scroll and search and stuff and it handles split-screens of files < 1256932016 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multitail < 1256932017 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it puts a little header at the bottom of each file < 1256932025 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, hey you are the one who tells him to google usually < 1256932026 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1256932036 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION uses tail -F a lot nowadays
< 1256932062 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway, I could trivially script ctcp responses < 1256932071 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why -F? < 1256932074 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a GNUism, I think; it's like tail -f, except that if the file's deleted or renamed, then recreated, it follows the new one < 1256932075 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's the entire code of an annoying bot: < 1256932075 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/sh < 1256932075 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tail -n 0 -f out | < 1256932075 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while read line; do < 1256932075 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if echo $line | cut -f4- -d" " | grep -i 'rhee\+t' >/dev/null; then < 1256932076 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : echo "Ding!" >in < 1256932078 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : fi < 1256932080 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :done < 1256932084 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's useful for following logfiles that rotate quickly, for instance < 1256932084 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1256932093 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm. Such as? < 1256932102 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION can't think of any that rotate more than once every few hours
< 1256932103 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forwarding a channel is just tail -f #chan/out >#chan/in < 1256932117 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, not sure that is a good idea XD < 1256932121 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: TAEB's, which can rotate once every few minutes if I keep restarting it < 1256932127 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well ok < 1256932129 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I did it yesterday with #esoteric-blah < 1256932136 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, to where? < 1256932140 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here. < 1256932161 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what was/is #esoteric-blah about? < 1256932166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, and what about rate limiting? < 1256932172 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a lot of people is talking in there < 1256932174 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric-blah = spam and bots. < 1256932175 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1256932179 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: um, ii handles that, duh < 1256932183 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, ah right < 1256932183 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :being, you know, an irc client < 1256932189 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, well. Who knows < 1256932195 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kay, forwarding #esoteric-blahh < 1256932198 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :feel free to try it < 1256932206 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*blah < 1256932215 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, would work if better if you were in there < 1256932220 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-10-30 18:50 -!- AnMaster(n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster) has joined #esoteric-blah < 1256932222 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1256932230 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :methinks I am :P < 1256932230 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. I went to #esoteric-blahh indeed < 1256932235 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you said that < 1256932253 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-10-30 18:50
VERSION
< 1256932256 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1256932267 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, got any version replies to yourself from that? < 1256932272 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: say "rheet" or "rheeeeeeeeet" (or whatever) in #esoteric-blah < 1256932277 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, dunno. < 1256932289 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my client doesn't handle ctcp except as whole line) < 1256932297 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-10-30 18:51 quux? < 1256932304 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1256932308 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has to be rheet-onic < 1256932312 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is going to slap vanBasco's Karaoke Player
< 1256932314 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-10-30 18:51 why? < 1256932348 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just do it ffs < 1256932356 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, what does "rheet" in fact mean? < 1256932364 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google's define: wasn't helpful < 1256932373 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-10-30 18:52 xyzzy < 1256932376 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It means an infiniite plane of green. < 1256932387 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh goddammit, just say /rhee+t/ < 1256932392 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Matches, that is < 1256932411 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-10-30 18:53 -!- oklopol(n=oklopol@a91-153-117-63.elisa-laajakaista.fi) has joined #esoteric-blah < 1256932416 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone have any suggestions for good MIDI players? < 1256932424 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-10-30 18:53 -!- oklopol(n=oklopol@a91-153-117-63.elisa-laajakaista.fi) has left #esoteric-blah < 1256932424 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-10-30 18:53 -!- oklopol(n=oklopol@a91-153-117-63.elisa-laajakaista.fi) has joined #esoteric-blah < 1256932427 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-10-30 18:53 -!- oklopol(n=oklopol@a91-153-117-63.elisa-laajakaista.fi) has left #esoteric-blah < 1256932427 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-10-30 18:53 -!- oklopol(n=oklopol@a91-153-117-63.elisa-laajakaista.fi) has joined #esoteric-blah < 1256932428 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-10-30 18:53 -!- oklopol(n=oklopol@a91-153-117-63.elisa-laajakaista.fi) has left #esoteric-blah < 1256932429 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-10-30 18:53 -!- oklopol(n=oklopol@a91-153-117-63.elisa-laajakaista.fi) has joined #esoteric-blah < 1256932433 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-10-30 18:53 :P < 1256932435 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, oklopol is the one flooding here. < 1256932439 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JUST SAYIN' < 1256932455 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-10-30 18:54 -!- Sgeo(n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #esoteric-blah < 1256932456 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's to say what's to say < 1256932458 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: if you don't say rheet I'll do something vaguely insulting < 1256932464 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-10-30 18:54 rheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet < 1256932465 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-10-30 18:54 Ding! < 1256932471 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, there he said it. < 1256932479 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-10-30 18:54 rhaat? < 1256932483 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-10-30 18:54 murheet < 1256932483 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-10-30 18:54 Ding! < 1256932484 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Technically, I didn't say "rheet" < 1256932496 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEHOLD THE POWER OF < 1256932496 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/sh < 1256932496 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tail -n 0 -f out | < 1256932496 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while read line; do < 1256932496 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if echo $line | cut -f4- -d" " | grep -i 'rhee\+t' >/dev/null; then < 1256932497 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : echo "Ding!" >in < 1256932499 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : fi < 1256932501 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :done < 1256932505 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, so I could have omitted that /bin/sh line to floot less. < 1256932510 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-10-30 18:55 oklopol, is that Finnish? < 1256932510 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHO CARES :P < 1256932516 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is < 1256932517 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-10-30 18:55 AnMaster: yes < 1256932522 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-10-30 18:55 oklopol, what does it mean? < 1256932536 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dudes! Admire my totally kick-radding script that works without any scripting layer in my IRC client! < 1256932541 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's totally kick-radding. < 1256932542 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1256932553 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-10-30 18:55 err < 1256932555 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-10-30 18:55 like < 1256932558 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-10-30 18:55 woes < 1256932560 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Oranjer < 1256932563 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-10-30 18:56 kick raiding? Should tell lament that you are stealing those kicks then. < 1256932564 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-10-30 18:56 FUCK YOU vanBasco! < 1256932564 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-10-30 18:56 sorrowz < 1256932568 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-10-30 18:56 sad stuff < 1256932571 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-10-30 18:56 flood flood < 1256932572 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-10-30 18:56 flood < 1256932572 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-10-30 18:56 flood < 1256932576 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KICK-RADDING < 1256932577 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I LOVE IT < 1256932584 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ONLY FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT BABIES < 1256932589 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-10-30 18:56 oklopol, "woes"? Google's define indicates it is "WOES (91.3 MHz) is a non-commercial, educational radio station that broadcasts from Ovid-Elsie High School. It is known as "The Polka Palace."" < 1256932595 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-10-30 18:56 which is probably not what you meant < 1256932617 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Maybe you should look at dictionaries instead of Google define < 1256932626 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-10-30 18:57 AnMaster: next time try a translator and not a google < 1256932631 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:34:35 Oranjer, the conway thing. Expand on that please < 1256932631 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A three-group team will produce a three-pass compiler. < 1256932634 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, doesn't have anyone handy atm. I'm on a train, using the wlan there < 1256932636 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah a bit hard < 1256932643 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dictionary.reference.com < 1256932643 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :laptop is all I have handy atm. < 1256932644 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :en.wiktionary.org < 1256932645 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1256932646 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems there's a redunday in finns on the channel < 1256932647 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ok < 1256932649 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*redundancy < 1256932650 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thefreedictionary.com < 1256932674 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-10-30 18:57 google define *usually* works < 1256932695 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But when it doesn't I'd check something else before complaining < 1256932696 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-10-30 18:58
ACTION wonders how an ctcp action translates here
< 1256932700 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1256932704 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not what I expected < 1256932711 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No CTCP support. I'll probably sed-handle ACTIONs, though. < 1256932717 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it's quite the ugly. < 1256932718 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, so what does: < 1256932721 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION test
< 1256932723 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :look like < 1256932725 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to you? < 1256932738 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like that. < 1256932741 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No processing at all. < 1256932744 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1256932750 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^A displays as an inverted . on this terminal, fwiw. < 1256932759 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or rather, with multitail, at least. < 1256932780 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, you know, for clients that implements CTCP properly (unlike mine for example) that will look like you said it. < 1256932786 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, my me mapping is so awesome < 1256932794 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1256932799 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-10-30 18:59 so from
and onwards everything is inverted ehiird? < 1256932806 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I type /me, it literally becomes ^AACTION^A, with my cursor just before the second ^A. < 1256932812 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I see it expand right in front of me. < 1256932823 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No, just the . < 1256932828 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION loves this client!
< 1256932838 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, just the.? < 1256932845 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just the . < 1256932847 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1256932856 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the space. Right < 1256932886 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries sic. You know, just to see if he can be even more hardcorely minimalist.
< 1256932896 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, link? < 1256932897 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Of course, if I really was that I would swear off IRC.) < 1256932916 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tools.suckless.org/sic < 1256932917 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, telnet + ping script like zzo? < 1256932933 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, sic doesn't have the fun UNIXness or filesystem scriptability. < 1256932945 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just in ii (irc it). < 1256932959 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1256932964 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is, like, DOUBLE the size!! zomg < 1256933010 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, hm. Does sic really require :m in front of every message? I would hate that < 1256933026 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so. < 1256933046 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, that's not really bad; I send message here with Ctrl+c w e and it's fine. < 1256933053 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*messages < 1256933059 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Ctrl+c to exit insert mode.) < 1256933084 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly it's more annoying at the start. < 1256933084 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 68 if(msg[0] != ':') { < 1256933084 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 69 privmsg(channel, msg); < 1256933084 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 70 return; < 1256933084 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 71 } < 1256933084 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, typing normal lines is the most common action on irc < 1256933086 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 76 else if(strncmp(msg + 1, "m ", 2) == 0 && (p = strchr(msg + 3, ' '))) { < 1256933086 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 77 *(p++) = '\0'; < 1256933088 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 78 privmsg(msg + 3, p); < 1256933090 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 79 return; < 1256933090 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more common that server commands < 1256933092 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 80 } < 1256933111 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore to me it makes sense that by default it should be "send to current channel" < 1256933112 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So? The goal is simplicity. More work makes you think about what you say, anyway. but this is irrelevant; it has it. < 1256933115 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*But < 1256933120 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RTFCodesnippets. < 1256933128 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Snippets, I guess. < 1256933137 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, too tired to. *yawn* < 1256933166 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reading a few lines of C is easier than sending that line and you know it < 1256933167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, this is what university does to you :/ < 1256933191 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally mentally exhausted after the day < 1256933216 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently your exhaustion begins at precisely the moment you're rebutted. < 1256933246 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, no. I haven't had to read any other code today here. Well one line of perl. But that was all < 1256933263 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:40:35 Oranjer, it seems (to me) obvious that people who can communicate better, and are working on a project will have less problems than people who *can't* < 1256933263 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:40:44 which seems to be all that law says < 1256933263 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, no < 1256933279 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from those you can't derive "a three-group team will produce a three-pass compiler" < 1256933289 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl. < 1256933296 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: dude, they were 4 lines each, more or less. < 1256933302 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of trivially short code < 1256933388 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:20:22 Most of those songs are now songs that, when I hear them, trigger what I guess is nostalgia < 1256933388 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you realise you're going to die in nostalgia? < 1256933411 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1256933429 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not for certain. you could die saying ? too :P < 1256933475 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:46:51 * oerjan eats some bread < 1256933475 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:46:56 sorry < 1256933475 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:47:07 :( < 1256933475 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, poor bread, that you were murdered :( < 1256933588 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:03:48 YES YES OOOOOOOOOOH YES YES YES < 1256933588 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:04:09 I GOT TIMIDITY WORKING WITH UNISON < 1256933588 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:04:26 Oranjer, MIDIs play BEAUTIFULLY < 1256933588 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:05:13 I used Timidity+Unison a long time ago to turn my midis into Ogg Vorbis files, and it's what I'm used to, so it's also a beautifully familiar sound < 1256933588 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you considered looking for a support group for your orgasmic nostalgia? < 1256933610 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1256933627 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was only half-joking. < 1256933636 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lc < 1256933644 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lambda calculus. < 1256933658 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...it was supposed to be a half "lol" < 1256933668 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1256933687 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh, noow I can't stop seeing lc as a half-lol < 1256933692 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C IS FOREVER DAMAGED IN MY MIND < 1256933706 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fact, also applies about the language. < 1256933722 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err. unison? isn't it a file sync app < 1256933744 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, http://www.personalcopy.com/sfarkfonts1.htm < 1256933748 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No two people have EVER named two things Unison. < 1256933750 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a soundfont < 1256933761 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, at least in this font c is more than half an o < 1256933770 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/ and http://www.panic.com/unison/? SAME THING? The file syncer is OS X only and works via Usenet! Also it plays MIDI I guess? < 1256933770 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks for a true half circle in unicode
< 1256933776 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*SAME THING! < 1256933782 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o isn't always a circle. < 1256933787 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, well true < 1256933796 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c was the closest I could get to half-o < 1256933808 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, without looking through Unicode stuff < 1256933831 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, btw, that sound font seems rather small? what is the uncompressed *.sf2 file? < 1256933845 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How big is it? Hold on < 1256933845 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1256933847 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how large yeah < 1256933848 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 jiggabytes < 1256933881 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :27.9MB < 1256933884 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1256933886 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~/soundfonts $ du -sh a340.sf2 < 1256933886 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :77M a340.sf2 < 1256933891 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the one I normally use < 1256933905 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has... acceptable quality < 1256933911 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is zero cost < 1256933925 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember why I went with Unison < 1256933962 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, you have a sb live card so you can load them? :) < 1256933970 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, I'm using TiMidity++ < 1256933974 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait you said timid... < 1256933975 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1256934003 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, timidity always seemed buggy to me. segfaulting a lot. And even when it worked, it was rather jerky sound < 1256934026 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also used freepats as a backup (to Unison). Apparently, the quality of this song is entirely dependent on freepats :/ < 1256934054 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, backup to? < 1256934058 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is unison incomplete? < 1256934075 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"backup (to Unison)" < 1256934075 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"backup to?" < 1256934092 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, that's the only way I can explain the discrepency between what I hear now and what this .ogg file is sounding like < 1256934107 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :placebo < 1256934114 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, no it's not < 1256934148 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: so how awesome is sweden < 1256934157 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you realise that's what someone placeb...ing would say? < 1256934185 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, I'm playing the two side-by-side < 1256934198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: so how awesome is sweden <-- in what sense? < 1256934202 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:37:04 Oranjer, well. Anything after the jazz < 1256934202 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And jazz is whippersnapper enough to call it the jazz! The rock music. < 1256934203 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :social security? < 1256934204 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either TiMidity++'s malfunctioning, or this song doesn't work with just Unison < 1256934207 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: in the awesome sense < 1256934224 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, varies between different areas I would say < 1256934264 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, atm the day time is rather unawsome for example. Sunset around 16:00 iirc. And it gets worse later during the winter < 1256934274 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand, in the summer we have very long days < 1256934275 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sunset is like 16:00 here too. < 1256934286 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't sweden get those awesome tons-of-light, tons-of-night cycles at one point? < 1256934298 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, north parts of Sweden yeah < 1256934300 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe only in the horrible-weather subarctic kinda parts < 1256934304 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1256934304 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that is past the polar circle < 1256934327 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically sweden is bipolar in both day length and ... polarness < 1256934330 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hyuk hyuk < 1256934330 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is about one night's travel by train from here < 1256934349 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sleeping on the way up is the only sane way to travel that distance < 1256934364 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apart from crystal meth! < 1256934367 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, you said sane. < 1256934369 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never mind. < 1256934371 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1256934412 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, actually not very sane because you wake up a lot due to acceleration and deacceleration around the stations on the way < 1256934461 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I guess I know Sweden is awesome, since it doesn't actually exist, it's just Finland < 1256934472 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, I'm also told (mostly by US people) that the girls in Sweden are supposed to be awesome. I have no idea why they think this < 1256934491 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're probably just thinking of ABBA < 1256934495 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably because the girls in the US are terrible? < 1256934500 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just guessing. :P < 1256934500 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which they remember is vaguely Scandinavian < 1256934507 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, but why nothing about UK girls then and such? < 1256934518 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vaguely scandinavian? they are actually swedish you know < 1256934523 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: because ours are worse. < 1256934523 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ABBA *is* Swedish. Not just vaguely Scandinavian < 1256934525 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, argh too fast < 1256934546 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, worse than US? < 1256934558 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what about Norwegian and Danish girls then? And so on < 1256934562 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :German? < 1256934567 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, on average. Also, I have no idea. < 1256934604 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Unidentified viral outbreak in Western Ukraine. State of Emergency Declared." < 1256934604 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :First thought: It's not lupus. < 1256934604 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Second thought: Has Madagascar closed their port? < 1256934604 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My brain is infected too, it seems. < 1256934623 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Have Madagascar or *closed its, pick one. < 1256934631 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird: seriously? link? < 1256934644 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/9zcrn/unidentified_viral_outbreak_in_western_ukraine/; http://zik.com.ua/en/news/2009/10/29/202374 < 1256934752 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1256934755 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the world is in trouble < 1256934763 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it turns out to be really bad at spreading, or something < 1256934763 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it ever not? < 1256934766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, the second one pops up a HTTP auth dialogue for "ZIK News Mangement Sysytem"[sic] < 1256934767 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1256934770 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird: I mean, more than usual < 1256934771 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: better than H1N1 < 1256934779 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, no < 1256934781 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird: for all we know, it might /be/ H1N1 < 1256934784 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's killing faster than H1N1 < 1256934785 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they haven't identified it yet < 1256934792 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and H1N1 is pretty crap < 1256934795 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pussier than regular flu < 1256934797 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and viruses are annoyingly capable of mutating < 1256934798 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that doesn't say much < 1256934818 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: a mutated H1N1 is a safe bet. < 1256934902 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I just realised what's wrong with Epiphany < 1256934906 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it currently has no toolbars at all < 1256934909 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even a status bar < 1256934913 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is ADrive considered reputable? < 1256934914 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zik.com.ua/en/news/2009/10/29/202374 is rather badly written it seems? < 1256934916 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You didn't notice that? < 1256934921 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the options to turn them on are both marked as selected, and grayed out < 1256934923 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yeah fuck those ukranians < 1256934927 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird: I didn't notice it at first < 1256934929 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why aren't they perfect at english < 1256934935 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was only when I tried to hover a link to see where it went... < 1256934935 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, when even *I* notice it... < 1256934946 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's perfectly reasonable, it's just not very idiomatic. < 1256934949 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*readable < 1256934961 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I'm not even sure it's Epiphany < 1256934967 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just calls itself "Web Browser" in the about dialog < 1256934967 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, well yes. Just some parts rather awkward < 1256934968 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and: < 1256934975 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has the same icon, though < 1256934978 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[“In all, 262 patients are treated in hospitals, of these 16 in serious condition. !* children have died in rural areas and 70 in Ternopil,” he says.] < 1256934979 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why I thought it was Epiphany < 1256934981 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most useless midi name ever: stheme5a < 1256934983 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.mid < 1256934983 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wasn't completely readable to me < 1256934986 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that !* thing < 1256934995 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A technical error. < 1256935003 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no clue what the name of the actual song is < 1256935012 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, they may have held down shift while typing 18 for some reason. < 1256935014 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I remember being told in 2003 that it was from a game < 1256935030 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Before you say "they should double-check", getting news out takes precedence.) < 1256935050 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: http://www.adrive.com/? Looks like shit and will almost certainly be out of business soon enough. < 1256935103 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One, because offering 50 GiB of free storage is not profitable; two, because the website is cheesy and ugly; three, because these businesses are a dime a dozen, which is saying something -- every internet business already is a dime a dozen. < 1256935114 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I certainly wouldn't trust them with anything not encrypted, either. < 1256935120 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, maybe < 1256935189 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, found it < 1256935197 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, I wouldn't use such online storage anyway. < 1256935198 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a "hide toolbars" option that hides all the toolbars < 1256935202 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is mostly using it to transfer files between his computers
< 1256935203 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than, you know, just hiding them by hand < 1256935218 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, options like that, to hide toolbars and menubars and such are always annoying < 1256935231 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially when they are hard to get back < 1256935234 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it feels rather anti-Gnome to me < 1256935234 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: online storage can be useful. < 1256935242 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Why do you ask questions and then ignore the answers? < 1256935245 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's really annoying and you do it a lot. < 1256935251 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, sure. I didn't say that. I just said *I* wouldn't use it < 1256935259 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there other things I can use? Any companies more reputable? < 1256935272 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :filebin.ca is good for quick transfers. < 1256935288 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :between computers? What about using nfs or samba or such < 1256935295 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then I'd have to zip the files < 1256935299 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :samba if windows is involved < 1256935301 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: obviously not networked, or at least a not set up network < 1256935310 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: are you retarded? it's taken you longer to whine < 1256935320 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, it is networked < 1256935324 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use a less obvious form of going "well, I didn't want an answer other than the one I expected..." < 1256935330 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, I have to point out a flaw here. If you can reach the online storage you obviously have network connection < 1256935335 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So maybe I'll play with samba < 1256935342 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can at the very least use something like sshfs < 1256935358 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I remember trying to get it working, and I couldn't < 1256935366 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Note "networked". < 1256935369 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, routers. < 1256935373 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not so easy to start a server. < 1256935378 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to use Samba once. It didn't happen. < 1256935411 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, um. Isn't it? < 1256935427 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Start server on port 80, look at it from another computer, oops, that didn't work, because your router isn't forwarding that port. < 1256935432 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, just require one computer able to do it. Then you wan use a VPN to it for the rest < 1256935449 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go to router config page, remember password, try a few more, open it, find the config item, add, click, click, click, TCP, port number, port number, find your local IP, insert it, OK, logout. < 1256935458 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Die of sheer boredom. < 1256935459 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, password is in keychain < 1256935462 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1256935474 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know my router password! < 1256935477 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also local ip is easy to remember < 1256935484 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :192.168.0.64 < 1256935485 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me < 1256935496 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :192.168.0.71 for the laptop when using ethernet < 1256935502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and .72 for wlan < 1256935506 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Epiphany seems to be Webkit in 9.10, rather than Gecko < 1256935509 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: missing the point since, uh, I don't think he ever *started*, per se... < 1256935512 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it is. < 1256935529 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, and I need quite a lot fewer clicks on my router < 1256935535 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My local IP is 207.72.191.67, which makes me happy. < 1256935538 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus it has a telnet interface < 1256935539 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I want tha < 1256935541 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that* < 1256935544 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: STFU < 1256935546 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that takes longer < 1256935574 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, anyway. Once you have VPN or at least ssh set up you can do everything through that. < 1256935575 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1256935598 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I should install Linux. < 1256935616 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ponders the viability of iTunes under Linux.
< 1256935641 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would anyone want to use iTunes? < 1256935654 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's competent and usable on OS X and that's it. Not Windows, definitely. Rhythmbox is better. < 1256935671 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, opinion on IPsec? < 1256935687 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I'll check out Rhythmbox. < 1256935699 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, ehiird, you're useful sometimes! < 1256935715 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rhythmbox comes with Ubuntu, btw. < 1256935725 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rythmbox is ok-ish. I still prefer for i in *.flac; mplayer "$i"; done < 1256935758 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I have none, apart from noting that nobody uses it. < 1256935763 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal, ^ < 1256935763 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal, I thought you were ignoring ehird? < 1256935765 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, ah. < 1256935765 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: That does not handle playlists, shuffling, skipping forward and backwards, searching artists, titles and albums with one field, iPod syncing, ... < 1256935783 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*forwards, if it's backwards, I guess. (*blah, I guess. is my new catchphrase.) < 1256935785 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'm ignoring *!n=ehird@* and *!i=ehird@*. ehird is currently neither of those. < 1256935789 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, ah playlists. I was working on a script for shuffling between playlists < 1256935791 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :recently < 1256935795 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird isn't even online. < 1256935795 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :half-way done < 1256935802 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to be pedantic < 1256935804 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, actually, I'm ignoring *!*ehird@*. < 1256935815 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: CONGRATULATIONS! You're writing a music player. < 1256935822 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, that is a simple shell script < 1256935823 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1256935826 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you want to: < 1256935826 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a) accept that you do in fact see a use of them, < 1256935826 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(b) ignore this wheel-inventing? < 1256935843 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, no, I'm joking, b of course... < 1256935894 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, neither, since I realised I had no use for it. I tried it early on and well... I tend to prefer to listen to some specific song based on my current mood and such < 1256935929 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then why are you writing one? < 1256935933 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "I think I want to listen to that slow Largo in Händel's Xerces about now" < 1256935935 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1256935967 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, well as I said, I'm not working on it any more < 1256935978 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is why I used past tense when I mentioned it < 1256935981 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"was working on" < 1256935985 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than "am working on" < 1256936015 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, I suddenly wonder what you would think of a prediction market where the statements are mathematical sentences and closed automatically. < 1256936046 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example. Atm I feel like listening to Gregor's opus 7 (or was it 6? will have to listen to check which one I'm thinking of) < 1256936054 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure Warrigal's thoughts literally have no context at all. < 1256936081 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal, heh? < 1256936091 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal, expand on this concept? < 1256936120 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird: I have no idea what the context of my last thought was. < 1256936128 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well, do you know what a prediction market is? < 1256936135 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal apparently thinks throwaway votes can accurately reflect the truth of a statement. < 1256936142 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Prediction markets prove this to be true for some things.) < 1256936155 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal, slightly < 1256936155 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Mathematical statements that require picking apart and analyzing are not one of these things.) < 1256936166 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Regardless of what the free-market-can-do-anything idiots say...) < 1256936177 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal, as in: I just checked on wikipedia and it sounded familiar < 1256936181 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be kind of neat at the very least. < 1256936201 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd just reflect what Wikipedia says like 90% of the time. < 1256936214 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remind me what Wikipedia says is the probability that P = NP. < 1256936252 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It probably says "most mathematicians[citation needed][goat needed][i need to go pee] say[what does this word mean?] that P probably isn't NP[disambiguate][poop flower de-luxe]". < 1256936263 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods.
< 1256936278 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :P=NP may be slightly more to the yes side than is reasonable because people might want it to be true. < 1256936289 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or rather, people want it to be true; voters might. < 1256936321 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll be Bayesian, too. >.> < 1256936350 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friendly Bayesian AI markets, sucking the cock of Eliezer Yudkowsky! < 1256936357 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me P = NP seems unlikely. I'm no expert on this sort of stuff however < 1256936410 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably false. < 1256936414 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually have no good reason to believe it would involve any Bayesian updating. I just meant that it will acknowledge the existence of Bayes' law. < 1256936535 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So uh, guess who else acknowledges the existence of Bayes' law? < 1256936538 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOUR < 1256936538 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MOTHER < 1256936679 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My mom is in Sine. < 1256936693 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Was that context-free?) < 1256936711 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A statistical anomaly. < 1256936735 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fact that my mom is in Sine, or the precise context-free-ness of that statement? < 1256936737 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Was that context-free?) <-- what line? < 1256936744 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about Sine? < 1256936745 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1256936747 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, here are my socks. < 1256936748 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT LINE WAS CONTEXT FREE < 1256936752 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THERE IS NO WHAT LINE < 1256936752 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that Sine the chat? < 1256936752 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA HA < 1256936759 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's the actual sine wave itself. < 1256936761 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, Sine the chat. < 1256936775 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, there could be further usages than those two afaik < 1256936798 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is "than"? The word? < 1256936805 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :She's one of the digits of the sine of sqrt(163). < 1256936807 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There could be further usages. < 1256937268 0 :adam_d!n=Adam@AAnnecy-751-1-12-146.w90-52.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1256937539 0 :ais523_!n=ais523@147.188.254.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1256937789 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There could be further usages. < 1256937960 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1256938020 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://news.google.com/news?edchanged=1&ned=sv_se has a broken translation heh < 1256938027 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1256938032 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "all news" thing in the sidebar < 1256938046 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is translated to "Vilket innehåll som helst" < 1256938049 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah vt100 terminals are a pile of shit < 1256938087 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means "any contents at all" < 1256938091 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than "all news" < 1256938114 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it unidiomatic? because that's an ... alright translation < 1256938135 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, very awkward yeah < 1256938136 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also fuck you, my google is in svedish now < 1256938138 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and confusing < 1256938140 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol "jag har tur" < 1256938149 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jag har tur, punk?! < 1256938153 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, "i'm having luck" < 1256938164 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Swedish sounds so ridiculous < 1256938166 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"E-post" < 1256938170 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, e-mail < 1256938171 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you guys actually call it that < 1256938184 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, well sv:post == en:mail < 1256938185 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah < 1256938190 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you have post office in English < 1256938193 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you? < 1256938193 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only the rfc guy saays e-mail < 1256938207 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, you post(v.) an item of mail(n.) < 1256938207 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, what does non-rfc people say? < 1256938210 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :email < 1256938217 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, *what do non-rfc people say? < 1256938227 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, hm. epost and e-post are both common I would say < 1256938227 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird: I do believe that when said instead of typed, those are fully equivalent < 1256938232 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's just the RFC editor that prefers it that way. they're anal, in case you didn't know) < 1256938246 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: what, en:post and en:mail? < 1256938253 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, hah hah < 1256938266 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird: No, e-mail and email < 1256938277 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, they're equivalent; but e-mail looks stupid and is archaic < 1256938287 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ain't beein' the 70s no' mo' < 1256938292 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :''' < 1256938296 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you say so; it's what I've always used < 1256938300 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should have said 70's < 1256938309 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then, I capitalize Internet. < 1256938317 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, what was those three ''' on the next line? < 1256938329 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :, AnMaster. Nothing. < 1256938333 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1256938335 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1256938336 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing, AnMaster. Nothing. < 1256938369 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prime fever < 1256938373 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, I was considering at first that it might have been trying to close unclosed ones. but 1) they didn't match up 2) ' and ' are the same, so that just wouldn't work < 1256938381 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :primary fever in the liver (pronounce leever) < 1256938381 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, sounds interesting < 1256938394 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, heh I read that as "pounce" < 1256938398 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something something diva < 1256938405 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, read the digest of reader? < 1256938410 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reaver. < 1256938422 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also digest for reader i guess < 1256938450 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, happy wrong date set mailman day < 1256938458 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes I actually got one of them today) < 1256938465 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with the wrong date in) < 1256938482 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean Clock-Skewed Mailman Mailing List Reminders Day. < 1256938489 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, yeah :) < 1256938495 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds better < 1256938530 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should make continually longer and longer-named Mailman-related holidays until calendars are as wide as magazines < 1256938537 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND THEN WE WILL HAVE VICTORY < 1256938542 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA < 1256938563 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, err I was just about to go for the "??? PROFIT" one there. But you did something else before I could :( < 1256938587 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupid terminal word-breaking; I was wondering how you prof something. < 1256938603 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's even mnore annoying when it breaks just before a space, so you get a space on the next line. Like it just did with this line in vim; argh!) < 1256938634 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*more. If only I had not sinned^Wtypoed, it would not have happened. < 1256938652 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, it broke in the middle of the word? < 1256938659 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, just before a space. < 1256938670 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in < 1256938674 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\n PROFIT" < 1256938675 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1256938690 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It's even more annoying". Please use your brain on that, and the preceding line. < 1256938753 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, where did it break in the line " ehiird, err I was just about to go for the "??? PROFIT" one there. But you did something else before I could :(" < 1256938753 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PROF\nIT? < 1256938759 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is confused now
< 1256938761 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION claps
< 1256938784 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" ehiird, it broke in the middle of the word?" " No, just before a space." <-- made me believe that was not the case first < 1256938785 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1256938794 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was talking about my line. < 1256938801 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you were too. < 1256938848 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, ah < 1256938877 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, can't you just fix it in vim? < 1256938882 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit of vimscript or such? < 1256938898 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't fix the multitail or any other program. < 1256938899 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is pretty sure it can be done in emacs, since some modes do.
< 1256938907 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, good point < 1256938908 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm way too lazy to hack around idiotic architectures. < 1256938926 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like erc. I get word wrapping there. < 1256939014 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I could code some hardware. You can get rid of a need for a program that way, after all. < 1256939022 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*code up some hardware < 1256939109 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, learn VHDL? < 1256939142 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes there is a course about the basics of VHDL during this spring
< 1256939145 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or module < 1256939148 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe the term is < 1256939169 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd have to buy VHDL chips, a display, blah blah blah. And that's rather overkill if you want a computer. And very overkill if you want an at least semi-fast one... (I need to make that Linux distro, but have no desire to deal with the hardware oddities of the iMac. Also, it'd be incredibly cognitively dissonant.) < 1256939223 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, "need". :P < 1256939382 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, what about that computer made with wires wound around things < 1256939392 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably been mentioned in here < 1256939396 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, semi-fast < 1256939400 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forget I said anything < 1256939415 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd have to buy the materials, a display, blah blah blah. And that's rather overkblaaaaaaaaah < 1256939433 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, at least that imac is far from as bad as that performa fizzie keeps mentioning < 1256939466 0 :rodgort!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1256939480 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, the EFI system will be bigger than my distro. < 1256939492 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, not hard at all < 1256939500 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1256939504 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1256939505 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not that big, you know. < 1256939509 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what she etc. < 1256939512 0 :rodgort!n=rodgort@li14-39.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1256939538 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, does Ω and Ω look the same to you? < 1256939541 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err wait < 1256939543 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no unicode < 1256939545 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit < 1256939549 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what about you < 1256939552 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they look the same < 1256939557 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why yes, inverted ... looks like inverted ..! < 1256939565 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, :P < 1256939573 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, Konversation seems to have deleted all my logs since June < 1256939578 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I can see é though. < 1256939583 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. Damn you, multitail! < 1256939584 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, most of the channels I care about are logged publically anyway < 1256939599 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ^ < 1256939600 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA! With ii, you read the logs directly! < 1256939600 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so cool) < 1256939621 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Konversation moved its logs from flatfiles to a weird database thingy last version < 1256939638 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TECHNOLOGICAL PROGRESS --------> < 1256939646 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the upgrade worked, I think < 1256939649 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alas, if only IRC had diagonal arrow support. < 1256939662 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bootup seems to take longer < 1256939669 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, err sure < 1256939670 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the shutdown is very quick < 1256939671 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sec < 1256939674 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What?! < 1256939674 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^ < 1256939675 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it shuts down before I can count to 6 at a normla rate < 1256939677 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : / < 1256939679 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9.10 sped up boot massively. < 1256939680 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh < 1256939682 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, no < 1256939686 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, I'm not entirely sure if it's shutting down or crashing < 1256939701 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird: I know, but upstart seems to dislike me < 1256939710 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even sure if it's using kdm or gdm as the login manager < 1256939741 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it do the KMS magic thing? < 1256939745 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, ais523: < 1256939746 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure < 1256939748 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ↗ < 1256939748 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ╱ < 1256939748 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :╱ < 1256939752 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of like that? < 1256939752 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, I get "Starting up..." < 1256939755 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very good < 1256939761 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then, an Ubuntu logo on the centre of the screen for ages < 1256939764 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then a mouse pointer < 1256939771 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then a throbbing bar < 1256939772 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that probably signifies that the process is shaky or something < 1256939774 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then, the login screen < 1256939775 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Do you get the fancy animated Ubuntu logo with the brownish/purplish background and a fancy wavy progress meter thing? < 1256939785 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird: eventually, although in black and white < 1256939788 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you get anything else but that and "starting up...", it isn't working. < 1256939791 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's quite a lot of time spent before that comes up, though < 1256939793 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with just a logo < 1256939795 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, I haven't updated due to some reported issues with ext4 in the new version < 1256939795 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the middle of the screen < 1256939798 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't working, then. < 1256939802 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, thought os < 1256939803 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*so < 1256939808 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: so don't use ext4? < 1256939813 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can't find anything particularly useful in the syslog < 1256939820 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, a bit late now < 1256939826 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what drivers? < 1256939836 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird: I don't know < 1256939838 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what drivers for what? < 1256939839 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, I'm waiting for that bug to close or if it doesn't before jaunty support expires I'm going xfs < 1256939844 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or jfs < 1256939855 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: tar cdfgjkdfg / fuckext.tar; gpg --AWESOME fuckext.tar; cp fuckext.tar /thecloudomg < 1256939858 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe even ext3. But those would all be equally painful < 1256939864 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JFS, bitch! < 1256939866 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, 50 GB? < 1256939869 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or more < 1256939888 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, and that would take ages on my connection < 1256939889 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XFS but with way faster metadata YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH. AND NO DATA LOSS CROM CRASHES. YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH < 1256939891 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :literally < 1256939898 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JFS fuck yeah. Storing files 'n shit. < 1256939900 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, err not correct < 1256939906 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1256939908 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, correct. < 1256939915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, it doesn't journal that < 1256939919 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm going ext3 then < 1256939921 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1256939925 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice vague "that". < 1256939947 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, that = data (non-metadata) < 1256939951 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xfs doesn't either < 1256939962 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who cares? JFS recovers data just as well as ext. < 1256939964 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ext3 can do it, but the ordered mode is somewhere in between < 1256939988 0 :Oranjer1!n=Owner@adsl-243-220-33.cae.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1256940009 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JFS: XFS but with much faster metadata operationnos, no data loss from crashes, good and fast post-crash recovery, and low CPU usage. Totally kick-flippin'. < 1256940031 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: haha fail (ordered mode = only journal metadata) < 1256940035 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know ... like JFS < 1256940059 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It doesn't journal non-metadata, so I'll use ext3." "ext3 doesn't either." "Oh." < 1256940069 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I mean, it does if you use journal. < 1256940074 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, not exactly < 1256940090 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A more accurate conversation: "It doesn't journal non-metaadata, so I'll use ext3." "Well, okay." "In ordered mode." "Um." < 1256940096 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, pretty sure jfs is like writeback < 1256940112 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than ordered < 1256940126 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes to try BleachBit
< 1256940136 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"JFS uses this level of journaling, but ensures that any "garbage" due to unwritten data is zeroed out on reboot". But really, it's pretty irrelevant. JFS has an excellent data recovery level and is very fast. How often does your machine crash while writing important files? < 1256940139 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, the fonts seem messed up < 1256940143 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a bit blurry < 1256940149 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they've done something negative to font rendering < 1256940149 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many of these writes are ruined by some seconds being lost? < 1256940151 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh. < 1256940158 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird: you're good with fonts, what settings do you recommend? < 1256940162 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it is unchanged afaik. < 1256940172 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: What do you want? It depends on your goals. < 1256940173 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they changed the font itself, then < 1256940182 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You don't really care about typography, and you have very limited screen space. Correct? < 1256940191 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, and not all that limited < 1256940195 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's 1280x800 < 1256940196 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very limited. < 1256940197 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, idea: battery backed external RAID 5 case to bring with the laptop < 1256940206 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not) < 1256940214 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Then full hinting + subpixel. No autohinting. < 1256940238 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I just changed the settings to < 1256940241 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from slight hinting) < 1256940248 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: If you want typographically accurate, butter-smooth fonts, slight hinting + greyscale. If you can deal with a bit of colour fringing and get the closest to OS X, slight hinting + subpixel. < 1256940260 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, got it < 1256940261 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fringing is pretty bad though. (The last one is the default.) < 1256940268 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's Firefox in particular that's messing up with fonts < 1256940269 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : well, it's 1280x800 <-- not very limited. Same as a previous laptop of mine had. Worked well. < 1256940277 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very limited. < 1256940286 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't work with it at all. < 1256940287 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, not really. it worked fine < 1256940298 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider that 1680x1050 is tolerable for me. < 1256940302 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like a bit more. < 1256940310 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, 1400x1050 is of course the optimal resolution to me < 1256940322 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :higher but same aspect ratio would be ok < 1256940338 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Less common resolution, so less support, and less pixels with no benefit to 1680x1050? < 1256940340 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woohoo < 1256940342 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :party < 1256940370 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, got it < 1256940373 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1680x1050 hasn't really a disadvantage vs 1400x1050; comfortable vertical resolution, and you can put stuff side-by-side easily. < 1256940379 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Aha, got it. Ah, got it. < 1256940382 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DejaVu Sans is defaulting to "ExtraLight" in Firefox rather than "Book" < 1256940385 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thou doth repeat yourself. < 1256940390 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1256940397 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there seems to be no way to change it < 1256940445 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use Arora or something. I'd say Epiphany, but the Webkit version is seriously fucked up. < 1256940455 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*WebKit < 1256940640 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird: in what way? < 1256940645 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to be working fine for me < 1256940647 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder whether my oh-so-wonderful distro should be i686 or x86_64. < 1256940694 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Can't override the base font size, it's always your GNOME preference (it should be 16px, pretty much; everything is too small this way, especially Google). It tries to download files to /; if you set another directory, it's set back as soon as you open Preferences again. < 1256940728 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The progress-bar-in-address-field looks ugly and you still need the status bar anyway, because the hover-over-to-show-URL thing you get without it is fugly. < 1256940741 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering why 16px in Firefox = 9px everywhere else < 1256940783 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember us arguing about this and you defended it? Presumably you like your document font size but don't want the web to have tiny fonts... Dilemma time :P < 1256940823 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, all those things I mentioned are regressions from the older Gecko version. < 1256940825 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird: I think 9px should be the same in both places < 1256940840 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean you think 16px should be the same, presumably? < 1256940846 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Creatures Wiki is now using Monaco :/ < 1256940858 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: oh shit it's fugly < 1256940864 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're moving now, surely < 1256940876 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, set Firefox to 9px and it looks better now < 1256940892 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it doesn't < 1256940896 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: >_< < 1256940896 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The point < 1256940896 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your head < 1256940908 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the height of a 9px font - in pixels - is different in Firefox to what it is elsewhere < 1256940918 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing to do with context < 1256940921 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's using different units, somehow < 1256940939 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firefox ignores dpi settings. < 1256940944 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is your dpi 96? < 1256940947 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Check GNOME font settings. < 1256940954 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If not, Firefox says fuck you and doesn't care about your display. < 1256940960 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good luck finding the about:config incantation. < 1256940967 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's 96 < 1256940977 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Try a hand-stand. < 1256940979 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, 12px Firefox units seems to be 9px Gnome units < 1256940985 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now I have the font the same in the two of them < 1256940986 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It won't solve your problem, but you get to do a hand-stand. < 1256940991 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1256941118 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Copernic! < 1256941118 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1256941135 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Was reading an Uncyclopedia article and they had a screenshot of some Copernic thingy) < 1256941152 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have search-software-related nostalgia now < 1256941194 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, Sgeo, you have problems. People are not that nostalgic. < 1256941255 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION isn't that nostalgic about this, actually
< 1256941269 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... I need x86_64 if I want to support machines with more than 2 GiB of RAM without the PAE hack thing. < 1256941272 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes, but still. < 1256941564 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh I have two weird fonts here ehiird. according to a font selector < 1256941568 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you can help: < 1256941573 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Helvetica [linotype]" < 1256941575 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1256941584 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Helvetica [Adobe]" < 1256941594 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are both outline or is one pixel? < 1256941607 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, the adobe one seems more blocky < 1256941630 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you pirated those, they'll be the Helvetica from Linotype and the Helvetica from Adobe (included with the Creative Suite and stuff). < 1256941642 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make a screenshot of text in both and I'll give a judgement. < 1256941648 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12px. < 1256941673 0 :nooga!n=nooga@sc82.internetdsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1256941675 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1256941679 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1256941691 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1256941692 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help . < 1256941702 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_textgen czesc idioto < 1256941710 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen czesc idioto < 1256941718 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, pretty sure I didn't. Unless it was from a mac < 1256941734 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, and sure. sec < 1256941737 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh/ < 1256941741 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :108 +++++++++++[>+++>+++++++++>+++++++++++>+<<<<-]>>.>+.<++.>-------.<--.<-.>++++++.-----.+++++.++++++.>+.<.>>-. [528] < 1256941824 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, as for 12 px. I can only find these in the konq font selection dialogue < 1256941827 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that is what you get < 1256941841 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I may be unable to tell. < 1256941864 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, worth a try at least < 1256941880 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I should go for x86_64 for >2 GiB RAM without horrible hacks, but what about ze old hardwarez. < 1256941912 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, http://omploader.org/vMm5wYg < 1256941953 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adobe Helvetica is the X11 bitmap Helvetica font that everyone has. < 1256941958 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, right < 1256941963 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, the middle one? < 1256941966 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linotype Helvetica is, you know, an outline Helvetica. < 1256941973 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helvetica Neue is Helvetica Neue. From a Mac, probably. < 1256941984 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, yeah, it looks horrible however in konq. space between letters is all wrong < 1256941991 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which < 1256941992 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, yes I know what the third one is < 1256941995 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/$/? < 1256942004 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/$/\// < 1256942006 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, "linotype" "looks horrible however in konq. space between letters is all wrong" < 1256942014 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-10-30 21:32 Linotype Helvetica is, you know, an outline Helvetica. < 1256942014 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-10-30 21:32 Helvetica Neue is Helvetica Neue. From a Mac, probably < 1256942014 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1256942014 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-10-30 21:33 ehiird, yeah, it looks horrible however in konq. spa < 1256942016 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unclear. < 1256942030 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, see my clarification ^ < 1256942044 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... x86_64 has the disadvantage of breaking 16-bit binaries :P < 1256942055 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You seemed like you were implying I could have figured it out myself. < 1256942061 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, no? < 1256942069 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, it was a timing issue < 1256942070 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make it portable to either, including in the same session < 1256942074 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reverse order here < 1256942076 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug* < 1256942088 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no < 1256942090 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, context? < 1256942098 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: try reading < 1256942100 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :works wonders < 1256942107 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86_64? < 1256942110 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 32- vs 64- bit < 1256942112 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :helvetica? < 1256942113 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1256942126 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, it doesn't make sense with Helvetica, so you don't need to ask. < 1256942130 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay magical communication < 1256942131 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :64-bit Helvetica > 32-bit Helvetica! < 1256942136 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally man. < 1256942219 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders how long before there is a 64-bit unicode
< 1256942224 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I BET THEY CAN FILL IT UP < 1256942239 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there isn't even 32-bit, yet < 1256942240 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cowbirdsinlove.com/668 < 1256942245 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode goes up to 0x10ffff < 1256942246 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur would like that one. maybe. < 1256942254 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isn't even a whole number of bits < 1256942269 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's somewhere between 20 and 21 < 1256942279 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, some of them are used as surrogates and so don't count) < 1256942292 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, sad, but the letter spacing is all correct with Ariel < 1256942303 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helvetica Neue should be better-hinted. < 1256942313 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linotype Helvetica is of course not hinted because Macs don't hint. < 1256942322 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least not hinted well. < 1256942324 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, helvetica neue looks even worse. Just look at the \ line in the N in that screenshot < 1256942328 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why don't macs hint? < 1256942356 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, and helvetica neue is from a mac < 1256942363 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the linotype helvetica I don't know < 1256942375 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because < 1256942375 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. designers and typographers use this shit, and they need it to look right < 1256942375 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. at 100 ppi, who cares? < 1256942391 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux can't only because freetype really sucks. OS X font rendering is pretty crisp. < 1256942500 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'd just not feel right if my keyboard was worth more than my computer." [on paying for more than $200 for a keyboard, on a keyboard forum no less] < 1256942511 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, not even more; just paying >= $200 < 1256942522 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder who's going to tell him that most people's computers cost more than $200... < 1256942537 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would someone spend $200 on a keyboard, but only get a really cheap computer? < 1256942547 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They wouldn't, in this case. < 1256942552 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably it's more a really old computer. < 1256942569 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Anyway, e.g. a writer doesn't really care. < 1256942584 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it can run Word 97 they're probably fine, but it's important they can type comfortably and quickly. < 1256942590 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I just installed bootchart < 1256942595 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm going to reboot to see what it displays < 1256942597 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At least, most writers, I'd say.) < 1256942602 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: < 1256942608 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"bootchart - 90% of boot time" < 1256942608 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes? < 1256942616 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it'll slow it down < 1256942620 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm kidding < 1256942622 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll disable/uninstall it when I'm done < 1256942628 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A project I just did in the last 24 hours to come up with a translator using Wikipedia as a datasource. Let me know what you think." < 1256942630 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh shiny < 1256942632 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, I don't think it can profile itself < 1256942640 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It doesn't seem to work. But other than that, it looks fantastic." *g* < 1256942645 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1256942682 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, heh < 1256942774 0 :sierinjs!n=gulash@unaffiliated/sierinjs JOIN :#esoteric < 1256942798 0 :sierinjs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how big really is brainfuck's data block? -- 1000, or 1024? < 1256942810 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it 30000 officially? < 1256942825 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: sort of. < 1256942836 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the implementations had a different limit, iirc. (in the original distribution) < 1256942844 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh. < 1256942845 0 :sierinjs!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... mkay :] < 1256942849 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sierinjs: 30,000 if you want something canonical; unlimited if you want something TC. < 1256942869 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :30000? such an uneven number :/ < 1256942890 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your mom is so uneven. < 1256942899 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wan osx fonts on linux ;f < 1256942918 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird: since when is this about your mom? < 1256942929 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it stopped being about your mom in the last line, I guess. < 1256942940 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1256942992 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really need the server file open so I can see people quit. < 1256943023 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you really don't need to, but you may want to < 1256943062 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I really need to go pee < 1256943062 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : TECHNICALLY FALSE. You could go without peeing, but you may want to to avoid death! < 1256943398 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to take 53 seconds to reach the bit where it's supposed to reach almost instantly < 1256943405 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although 20 of those were a fsck I canceled < 1256943420 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that will change things; since upstart does parallel things < 1256943424 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*things, < 1256943483 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed, it will < 1256943497 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was slow before the autofsck < 1256943591 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tune2fses to set the mount count to 28
< 1256943596 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it normally checks every 30) < 1256943607 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :set it to 100000000000000000000000 < 1256943613 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1256943618 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like messing around as root < 1256943647 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why's 28 better than 30 < 1256943666 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: because ext sux0rzz!13981276345687 < 1256943682 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: because 30 would force a check < 1256943684 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I want to avoid one < 1256943686 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but have it recheck soon < 1256943698 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1256943723 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reboots
< 1256943725 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1256943735 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, he's setting the count, not the check interval < 1256943746 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes more sense < 1256944001 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1256944019 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HI AIS523 DO YOU HAVE PROBLEMS WITH SOME HOUSEHOLD CLEANERS < 1256944093 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird: I don't think so < 1256944129 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ohthehugemanatee.net/word-o-matic/649/ < 1256944129 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :languages that need to be made (enable js) < 1256944134 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Oh. < 1256944142 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. Um. Look at this penny. Good as new! < 1256944285 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh where is oerjan when you need him < 1256944358 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird (and anyone else who's interested): http://imgur.com/kp2KH.png is what my boot process looks like < 1256944385 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, that gives me the idea for an animated bootchart thing. < 1256944388 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks
< 1256944389 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See it all go! < 1256944401 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, 110 seconds?! < 1256944410 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: regression < 1256944413 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, does it usually take that long? < 1256944421 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on what you mean by "usually" < 1256944422 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9.10 takes like 20 seconds for most people. < 1256944423 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jaunty was faster < 1256944427 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that Karmic is slower is a bug < 1256944429 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523's hardware is just fucked up < 1256944434 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, "with/without bootchart" < 1256944438 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not a bug, it has been optimised < 1256944443 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is faster for almost everyone < 1256944465 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your configuration is an edge-case, therefore < 1256944466 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bootchart hardly made a difference to the speed < 1256944469 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you use winbind? < 1256944475 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all those < 1256944482 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Winbind? What are you, gay?" < 1256944496 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, I just find it rather unlikely that he actually use it < 1256944569 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*uses < 1256944569 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on jaunty disabling some services I didn't use helped a lot. From maybe 40 seconds to around 25 or so < 1256944569 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARGH lag < 1256944594 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, eh? "some services I didn't uses"? < 1256944597 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My distro will boot in something like 5 seconds with a hard disk, 3 on an SSD~ < 1256944604 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: < 1256944604 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-10-30 22:14 ehiird, I just find it rather unlikely that he actua < 1256944604 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lly use it < 1256944604 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-10-30 22:15 *uses < 1256944610 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1256944611 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lly? < 1256944616 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the shutdown speed is amazingly fast, btw < 1256944617 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh your line breaking < 1256944655 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, potential issue. Some of those things begin outside the left edge of the chart? < 1256944672 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My printk times reach about 3.5 seconds, from then on the time is dominated by me typing passwords < 1256944681 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's showing they have no pre-dependencies < 1256944690 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, arch? < 1256944697 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I'm not surprised < 1256944703 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arch on x86-64 < 1256944712 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, really? Then I should be able to do faster. < 1256944712 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not sure which question you were asking) < 1256944715 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, err I meant near the bottom async/1 and such < 1256944724 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's say 2 seconds on a disk, <1 second on an SSD. < 1256944729 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And this is on a plain 7200RPM disk < 1256944749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, do you use timidity? < 1256944750 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After all, add up the static binaries (less startup overhead), really minimalist system, very simple init system, minimal X11... < 1256944751 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example < 1256944751 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it's a known bug on laptops with slow hard-drives < 1256944752 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes < 1256944754 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do < 1256944757 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I installed it deliberately < 1256944757 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yes, that includes X11 and WM startup) < 1256944764 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ouch that will hurt me. Mine has 5400 RPM after all < 1256944773 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yeah, less than 1 second startup on an SSD is pretty achievable methinks. < 1256944775 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there's a few seconds of service startup before the password prompt as well < 1256944782 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: That's not slow < 1256944788 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slow is 4800 rpm < 1256944791 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how slow is yours? < 1256944804 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably 4800 rpm; his machine cost £300 or something < 1256944805 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure; how do I fing out? < 1256944807 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*find < 1256944815 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They call 'em fingers etc. < 1256944823 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and lighttpd? Do you need it. If not always it might be better to start it only when you do < 1256944840 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, seriously, cutting down on some services could help a great deal < 1256944844 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it doesn't make an amazing amout of difference < 1256944848 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He didn't ask for help, AnMaster. < 1256944850 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the issue is not "boot is slow" < 1256944855 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh? < 1256944856 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's "karmic boot is slower than jaunty boot" < 1256944873 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have already cut out some services; I got rid of mysql because I wasn't using it and it was annoying me) < 1256944876 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, SENDMAIL‽‽‽‽ < 1256944877 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Regressions are never allowed even if it improves the situation for most people? < 1256944884 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooray! The endless march of progress. < 1256944886 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I bothered to setup some kind of dependency solving for my services it'd be faster: the major wait is waiting for a network connection, which I can't start in the background since some other things depend on it < 1256944900 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird: I don't think it was a deliberate regression < 1256944918 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's most likely that there's a mistake somewhere, just because a regression implies that it's definitely possible to do better < 1256944922 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :via a known method < 1256944922 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I bet I can do 2 seconds with a disk, getting a network connection. < 1256944924 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably serially. < 1256944930 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird: wired, or wireless? < 1256944935 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wired. < 1256944937 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how does bootchart figure out what depends on what? < 1256944938 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ethernet. DHCP. < 1256944943 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it doesn't. < 1256944944 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Waiting for a DHCP response takes around 5-10 seconds, I think < 1256944955 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or whatever it does; I presume that step is the major wait < 1256944962 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, that much? around 2-3 seconds over ethernet here < 1256944968 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird: it does, or at least it gets the info from somewhere < 1256944970 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably init < 1256944988 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Oh. Without DHCP then. < 1256945004 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you need to do much setup without DHCP < 1256945008 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, point is that my distro will be totally kick-ass I guess? < 1256945020 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Clearly you don't use it if your startup only takes 3.5 < 1256945022 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, services starting after login window? < 1256945028 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'course, these are things that you can't really change by changing the distro < 1256945029 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LEVEL PLAYING FIELD, BITCH < 1256945037 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Passwords being skipped. < 1256945047 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, hm? < 1256945050 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it's not really level; mine includes X11 and window manager startup, whereas Deewiant's doesn't. < 1256945052 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what? < 1256945059 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: For benchmarking purposes, you dolt. < 1256945064 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, well right < 1256945085 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, I meant, you can't manage that on a dual core system. Some stuff are generally CPU bound during boot < 1256945092 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while some are IO bound < 1256945101 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, dpkg now has a progress bar < 1256945111 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's nice, I have so much stuff on here it takes a while to read the database < 1256945113 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what is the point of that? < 1256945117 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah the db < 1256945117 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1256945122 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anmaster: ??? you're talking nonsense < 1256945122 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is useful < 1256945128 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't do what on a d ual-core CPU < 1256945130 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*dual < 1256945148 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, maybe. Depends on how many services you start and when you count the end < 1256945148 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: bootchart uses colours to show if something's CPU-bound or IO-bound < 1256945154 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or neither, it might just be idling < 1256945177 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You can't do WHAT? < 1256945181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm how does it figure out < 1256945191 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, ffs < 1256945205 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gets a mad idea
< 1256945213 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: presumably the same way top does < 1256945241 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea: use bootchart to benchmark cfugne. Just start whatever is needed to run cfunge + mycology and use bootchart on the whole thing < 1256945249 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what? < 1256945257 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what? < 1256945257 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could, I suppose, if you ran cfunge as a service < 1256945262 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yeah < 1256945271 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why would you use a boot profiler in order to profile a user-mode non-service program? < 1256945276 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well my plan was more of /etc/init doing it < 1256945287 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :init is in /etc? < 1256945291 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no other tool I know of produces such a nice graph < 1256945303 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, err whatever the first script executed is called < 1256945306 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/etc/rc? < 1256945311 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this varies between systems < 1256945313 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/etc/init seems to be a directory for me < 1256945338 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the sort of init Debian (and therefore Ubuntu) uses puts the services in an init.d < 1256945342 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1256945348 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah true, nothing like *bsd style < 1256945381 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /etc/rc is a stupid name becaues you can't name a good shutdown script. < 1256945392 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*because, *no space at start (gets interpreted as /e, I guess) < 1256945396 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, doesn't arch have some /etc/rc.sysinit or so? < 1256945403 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, what? < 1256945414 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you stop fucking saying what to the most trivial lines < 1256945418 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1256945419 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to < 1256945422 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /etc/rc is a stupid name becaues you can't name a good shutdown script. < 1256945425 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the other one < 1256945425 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1256945430 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's a trivial and easily understandable line < 1256945431 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes, it does < 1256945432 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus christ < 1256945448 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, what is wrong with /etc/rc < 1256945464 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and rc is not shutdown, but boot < 1256945466 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://www.bootchart.org/docs.html explains how it works, if you're interested < 1256945472 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah thanks < 1256945490 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... Compiz seems more responsive than before in Karmic < 1256945499 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Because /etc/rc and /etc/shutdown-script or whatever is inconsistent < 1256945504 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compare with /etc/init.start, /etc/init.stop < 1256945509 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or rc.start, rc.stop; whatever. < 1256945515 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rc.boot, rc.shutdown, yada yada yada. < 1256945531 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bad name because it has no opposite. < 1256945542 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: better intel drivers, probably < 1256945547 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, err... /etc/rc.sysinit /etc/rc.shutdown iirc on *BSD? < 1256945551 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe arch < 1256945553 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird: seems reasonable < 1256945557 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't have either handy atm
< 1256945564 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Then it's not named /etc/rc, duh < 1256945572 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, /etc/rc prefix... < 1256945576 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I complained about naming it /etc/rc, you see? Very simple? < 1256945581 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, you called /etc/rc the first executed script < 1256945585 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And said it varies < 1256945594 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, and yes I think I seen /etc/rc too < 1256945609 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly, I'm saying that's a bad name < 1256945617 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, and /etc/rc.stop on that system to stop < 1256945644 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1256945648 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your mom < 1256945651 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1256945664 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, she just commented on your! < 1256945669 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On my? < 1256945672 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1256945685 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How dare? < 1256945690 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my mom commenting on your. Making a his mom joke. < 1256945700 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grammar fail. < 1256945710 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Incidentally: "Grammar fail.": Grammar fail.) < 1256945722 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, well yeah that is my failure at grammar. < 1256945729 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, that's a meme isn't it < 1256945730 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"My mom commenting on yours", fwiw. < 1256945751 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in soviet russia mom's make your son jokes? < 1256945753 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or something) < 1256945765 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and yeah that was meme fail) < 1256945824 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beh, they removed unlambda from the repos < 1256945835 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Soviet Russia make your son jokes beloning to mom? < 1256945842 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Soviet Russia mom is make your son jokes? < 1256945857 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: probably unmaintained < 1256945862 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1256945867 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it really need maintenance, though? < 1256945878 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ehiird: there *is* an rc in ais523's bootchart. Around midway < 1256945893 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :base of a huge block < 1256945904 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your mom is an rc < 1256945907 0 :nooga_!n=nooga@sc82.internetdsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1256945911 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to go home, anyway < 1256945912 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1256946001 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, PAE is just for over 4 GiB of RAM. < 1256946021 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, over 3.25 GiB of RAM or so, accounting for reserved areas. < 1256946037 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, and for NX < 1256946040 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1256946057 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody cares. < 1256946067 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you don't count because you won't use it anyway. it's not bloated enough. < 1256946067 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :correction: you don't care < 1256946080 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, eh? < 1256946086 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what NX is? < 1256946090 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No Execute < 1256946094 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I do. < 1256946105 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then that insult made no sense < 1256946116 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know I'm paranoid. Thus it makes sense I use NX < 1256946127 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't take what you want for it into account because you won't use it anyway, you see, and I don't care if you do. < 1256946143 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the fact that you want NX isn't relevant. < 1256946163 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what made ehird behave like this suddenly
< 1256946171 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, anyway, are you planning 32-bit system? < 1256946178 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because otherwise PAE won't matter < 1256946184 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "it" as in his distro, not NX. < 1256946185 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not behaving like anything. < 1256946188 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since on 64-bit it is always in effect < 1256946192 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it with people reading emotional contexts into my owrds? < 1256946197 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, oh hah < 1256946208 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: >_< < 1256946217 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't that really obvious? < 1256946227 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't it really obvious that it wasn't obvious to him? < 1256946248 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1256946266 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, you're all idiots < 1256946268 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He sounded like he was being hyper-literal about "nobody uses it" even after I explained that he wouldn't use the distro anyway. < 1256946270 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite so < 1256946273 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: wasn't it really obvious it wasn't obvious to him it wasn't obvious to AnMaster? < 1256946282 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I'm trying to decide what bittage to use, AnMaster. < 1256946301 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :disclaimer: i have no idea what you're talking about < 1256946309 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Wasn't it really obvious that it wasn't obvious to him? <-- of course < 1256946310 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i686 is more compatible and uses less memory, but without PAE cruft we're stuck with a bit over 3 GiB of RAM available. < 1256946320 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Of course it was, it was a rhetorical question < 1256946334 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd rather not use x86_64 unless I have to. < 1256946339 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: yeah, i just like patterns < 1256946340 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it is slightly less crufty. < 1256946365 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was obvious to me is was obvious to you it wasn't obvious to him it wasn't obvious to him. < 1256946370 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, x86_64 actually uses PAE? < 1256946372 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION facepalms
< 1256946384 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, yes and no. < 1256946391 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"On x86-64 processors, PAE is obligatory in native long mode" < 1256946395 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1256946414 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That pretty much uses any reason I have to go x86_64, then (4 GiB of memory and up without PAE rubbish) < 1256946435 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since x86_64 actually has the PAE rubbish... what stupid design. < 1256946439 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, more registers? < 1256946444 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh < 1256946456 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, i686 is register starved < 1256946456 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not a ricer < 1256946482 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, also isn't some of the newer SSE versions and such only for x86_64? Like that new AVX one iirc < 1256946491 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may misremember < 1256946501 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still not a ricer (also scientists are practically agents of the devil, so they should be prevented from computing) < 1256946528 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1256946531 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, strictly there's no reason you couldn't implement them on 32-bit CPUs < 1256946541 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just that all the processors that do or will implement them are 64-bit < 1256946557 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I thought you couldn't enable those features in legacy mode? < 1256946589 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since when do they need to be explicitly enabled? < 1256946597 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird: You realise that PAE is nothing more than adding another level of depth in the page table, right? ;) < 1256946632 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've mentioned that Performa more than half a dozen times or so. < 1256946639 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, since SSE? Because CPU has to save and restore register state between context switches. < 1256946645 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you get 100 Mb/s in any of the Nordic countries apart from Finland? Always wondered why not < 1256946650 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They all seem to cap out at 50 < 1256946659 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, new registers/extended register size = new explicit enabling control register bit < 1256946687 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, that 4 GiB one? < 1256946707 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh? < 1256946716 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's 4 Gb. < 1256946720 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, if the register has run out of bits on 32-bit CPUs then you may be right. I haven't looked into it. < 1256946721 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And only one person has it. < 1256946729 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they use it to try their laundry. < 1256946731 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird, true < 1256946733 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They might not even still have it. < 1256946773 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehiird: Vast improvement on the status here. < 1256946784 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where almost nobody has 50 Mbps. < 1256946785 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1256946803 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(rather, has it even available) < 1256946872 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I know, but 50 Mb/s feels so half-hearted, doesn't it? :P < 1256946887 0 :ehiird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like, you've got the right pipe tech and all, and you go and blow it all on half the speed! < 1256946919 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods
< 1256947134 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal"