< 1257206989 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-51-125.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1257207028 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1257207037 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-159-107-94.range86-159.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1257207106 0 :cal153!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1257207277 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1257207334 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just saw a glimpse of the AW SDK, and I'm horrified < 1257207347 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'm not seeing something here, but the http://wiki.activeworlds.com/index.php?title=Aw_object_click#Usage makes my eyes bleed < 1257207362 0 :cal153!n=cal@c-69-181-46-213.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1257207413 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1257207811 0 :Jerry!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1257207824 0 :Cerise!i=jerry@81-89-105-25.blue.kundencontroller.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1257207852 0 :Cerise!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Guest90640 < 1257208048 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1257208876 0 :augur!n=augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr2.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1257211152 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1257211313 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1257213996 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1257214847 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1257217744 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Hofstadter < 1257217752 0 :Hofstadter!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :AUGUR < 1257217774 0 :AUGUR!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :augur < 1257218260 0 :Oranjer!n=Owner@adsl-243-220-33.cae.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1257221455 0 :bsmntbombdood_!n=gavin@97-118-124-13.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1257221856 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1257223387 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xkcd has contributed no funny to the world today < 1257223396 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it HAS contributed a wonderful data visualization technique < 1257223397 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://infosthetics.com/archives/2009/11/visualizing_movie_characters.html#comments < 1257223430 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I saw that < 1257223440 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit, I thought of that like, two days before < 1257223441 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1257223459 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you follow up your thought by drawing it out and posting it to your webcomic? < 1257223467 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARE YOU RANDALL MONROE?! < 1257223470 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1257223472 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope! < 1257223482 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1257223491 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why has sourceforge gotten so bad < 1257223492 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I suspect he at least takes more than two days to do each webcomic? maybe? < 1257223510 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/timelines/ < 1257223511 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAT < 1257223533 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one would hpe it does not take more than two days to do the comics < 1257223539 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seeing a show theyre released every two days! < 1257223544 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: EXCEPT HE USE MOVIE LOTR AND NOT THE NOVEL < 1257223569 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch, coppro < 1257223582 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: shut up < 1257223585 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you even know < 1257223585 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1257223592 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Saruman dies in Isengard < 1257223600 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1257223613 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the book, he goes to the Shire < 1257223650 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1257223651 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1257223656 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have not read the book < 1257223658 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i dont care < 1257223661 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1257223676 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(s) < 1257223678 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cardinal sin of eekery < 1257223683 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+g < 1257223708 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yawn < 1257223711 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like i care < 1257223715 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have only read The Hobbit < 1257223721 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my reading is limited to non-fiction < 1257223729 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also forgot to return that book to the library, several years ago < 1257223731 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops! < 1257223732 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cant stay interested in fiction writing < 1257223746 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a cardinal sin, then, but still bad < 1257223749 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, augur, I've had trouble reading fiction lately < 1257223849 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I have to go to sleep < 1257223850 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see ya < 1257223880 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1257225296 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1257228472 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :bsmntbombdood < 1257230692 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ponders how to compile Unlambda.
< 1257230708 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To compile Unlambda, one must first compile to Unlambda. < 1257230744 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could try in lua < 1257230761 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lua has a function that compiles a program from a string < 1257230780 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so translate the unlambda program into lua and run that < 1257230813 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neh. < 1257230965 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who not < 1257230968 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not < 1257231022 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to compile it into a language into which it is not that easy to compile stuff like Unlambda. < 1257231043 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I want to compile between Unlambda and BF. < 1257231137 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, I'd rather come up with some languages that can actually be compiled nicely. < 1257231361 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BD in unlamda sounds feasible < 1257231378 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlambda in bf sounds pretty damn hard though :D < 1257231404 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, the esolangs Wikipedia has articles about are LOLCODE, Befunge, Brainfuck, Chef, FALSE, the OISC gang, Piet, Shakespeare, Whitespace, INTERCAL, and Taxi. < 1257231405 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it involves, what, tail call recursion, garbage collecting < 1257231440 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very variable size data < 1257231586 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to ignore all of those but Befunge, Brainfuck, FALSE, and OISC. < 1257231631 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1257231681 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlambda is my favorite by far < 1257231703 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :followed by brainfuck probably < 1257231748 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I'm going to add /// and Unlambda. < 1257231757 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I'm going to toss FALSE. < 1257231905 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I'm going to refine OISC into Subleq. < 1257231949 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about rule 110 automata < 1257231973 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll do that later. < 1257231988 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Radiateur" < 1257232033 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@77-100-194-169.cable.ubr04.pres.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1257232110 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that makes the list Befunge, Brainfuck, Subleq, ///, Unlambda. A fun bunch. < 1257232961 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1257233004 0 :cal153!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1257233562 0 :cal153!n=cal@c-69-181-46-213.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1257235199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1257235200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1257235303 0 :adam_d!n=Adam@AAnnecy-751-1-2-50.w90-52.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1257236558 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1257237782 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1257238908 0 :adam_d!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1257244589 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@p5B137580.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1257244740 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1257245057 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, this website has the stupidest validation ever < 1257245102 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, every letter you type in the forms, it sends off an AJAX request to the server to verify what you wrote < 1257245122 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even more fun, if you type more than a few characters in a second, it thinks you're trying to DOS it with all those AJAX requests < 1257245157 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it doesn't allow punctuation marks at all < 1257245171 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even in textboxes where you'd expect them to be used, such as "how did you hear about us" < 1257245198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why answer the form then? < 1257245202 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and/or what website? < 1257245208 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: trying to create an account, and opencores.org < 1257245225 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that website about? < 1257245230 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: open-source hardware < 1257245239 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. File a bug report about the web form then < 1257245271 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it is open source I would expect them to not just ignore it < 1257245271 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: nowhere obvious to file it, there isn't even an obvious contact address < 1257245277 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1257245291 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the website doesn't /act/ open-source < 1257245301 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://opencores.org/opencores,contact ? < 1257245303 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's made by people used to closed hardware support that don't get open source < 1257245314 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah hm < 1257245324 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, large company behind it? < 1257245327 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, their FAQ is GPL < 1257245333 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so almost certainly, they don't really get what they're doing < 1257245339 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha indeed < 1257245346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why create an account then? < 1257245355 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC you need one to download from it < 1257245361 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :their account-creation system isn't even automated < 1257245364 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems it was sent off to a human < 1257245378 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, this FAQ is unusable < 1257245386 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it shows the answers to the questions on-hover < 1257245403 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes and it does that even with js turned off < 1257245405 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means that when you stop using one question and have a look at the next, the question moves so it's no longer under your mouse and collapses again < 1257245407 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means they used css for it < 1257245423 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this place is like a mix of best practices and worst practices... < 1257245432 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, best in what way? < 1257245453 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: things like graceful fallback for no JS < 1257245459 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh good point < 1257245467 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"OpenCores reserves the right to charge for advertising or SPAM sent to any mailing list" < 1257245467 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries lynx
< 1257245508 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. not very good in lynx. But the menu looks ok < 1257245516 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too little spacing between headers though < 1257245526 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like no blank line between paragraphs < 1257245536 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, of their own lists I assume < 1257245541 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they didn't say that < 1257245543 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hm. How strange < 1257245547 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm more amused at the naivety of it all < 1257245614 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. I have to leave soon. To take the bus. Test in discrete math this afternoon. < 1257245619 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm was that the right word < 1257245622 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"discrete" I mean < 1257245637 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ^ < 1257245653 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, probably < 1257245655 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are two words in English that are very similar, but the same word in Swedish < 1257245660 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"discrete" = opposite of continuous < 1257245665 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, indeed < 1257245669 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"discreet" = without causing a fuss about it < 1257245673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1257245685 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, same word for both in Swedish + very similar in English < 1257245700 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure you can understand my confusion about the terminology in English < 1257245755 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye. < 1257246010 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1257252372 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1257252456 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:43:07 xkcd has contributed no funny to the world today < 1257252456 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:43:16 but it HAS contributed a wonderful data visualization technique < 1257252483 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xkcd.com < 1257252484 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was about my thought too - i was annoyed there was no way to zoom in :D < 1257252496 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is too lazy to actually focus a web browser to go there
< 1257252500 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and clicks on a link in IRC instead < 1257252534 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am assuming this was actually yesterday's xkcd - checking now < 1257252618 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh now there is a zoom < 1257252728 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a zoom yesterday too; at least yesterday our time zone, maybe not when you visited it. < 1257252743 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe i managed somehow to miss it < 1257252771 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :657 is pretty impressive < 1257252775 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may have been confused by the hover text < 1257252776 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, well; when the title is "Movie Narrative Charts", you can't really complain that much about using the movie LOTR. < 1257253020 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the funny is the ones at the bottom right, I think < 1257253172 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The labels in the Jurassic Park graphs did make me smile; especially the "must go faster" one. It is very evocative of the scene. < 1257255143 0 :MigoMipo!i=3e779bfd@gateway/web/freenode/x-6d0ede7d9d8b0b03 JOIN :#esoteric < 1257255934 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Reboot" < 1257257890 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1257258318 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1257259387 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@77-100-194-169.cable.ubr04.pres.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1257259663 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : You dont have permissions to view this page. You might need to login or your account might be disabled. < 1257259667 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice ambiguous sentence, there < 1257260173 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even more fun, someone's storing tarballs (well, .zip files) in svn, rather than the original files < 1257260176 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, lecture time < 1257261084 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Page closed" < 1257261747 0 :augur!n=augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1257262104 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"I am leaving. You are about to explode." < 1257262397 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :left the lecture halfway through, it was that bad < 1257262399 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1257262408 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, 10 seconds before halfway, I didn't quite time it correctly < 1257262507 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://abc.go.com/shows/v/ < 1257262512 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish this would just happen already < 1257263447 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1257264370 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-51-125.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1257264623 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@77-100-194-169.cable.ubr04.pres.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1257264786 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1257266963 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-159-107-94.range86-159.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1257266982 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1257268406 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1257268514 0 :fax!n=somebody@unaffiliated/fax JOIN :#esoteric < 1257269475 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, there is a way to zoom in. click the image < 1257270664 0 :Azstal!n=asztal@host86-159-107-94.range86-159.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1257270740 0 :Guest90640!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Cerise < 1257270760 0 :Asztal^_^!n=asztal@host86-159-107-94.range86-159.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1257270832 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1257271463 0 :Asztal_!n=asztal@host86-156-193-221.range86-156.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1257271647 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1257271654 0 :Asztal_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Asztal < 1257271724 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1257271832 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster: i didnt say that. < 1257271857 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh indeed. oerjan had stopped quoting at that point < 1257271860 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry didn't notice < 1257271940 0 :Asztal^_^!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1257272515 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1257272518 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sillyboy < 1257273661 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1257273856 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1257274109 0 :ais523_!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1257274265 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1257274315 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, what was the name of that chroot thing you used? < 1257274582 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[0x7f6e0c0081b8] v4l2 demux error: cannot open video device '/dev/video1' (No space left on device) < 1257274582 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a bit strange error from a video device. (I'm sure it has some sort of silly meaning, but anyway.) < 1257274600 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1257274750 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah, that was really strange < 1257274760 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the applications I have segfaulted, then the kernel paniced < 1257274768 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the syslog is in the wrong format and talks about a Trojan < 1257274771 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION runs a virus scan
< 1257274829 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1257274830 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, on nix? < 1257274832 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1257274838 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on Linux, yes < 1257274840 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohci_hcd 0000:00:12.1: leak ed ffff8800378152d0 (#81) state 2 < 1257274840 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usb 4-2: usb_submit_urb() failed, error -28 < 1257274840 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to be usb_submit_urb that returns ENOSPC. Don't know why. < 1257274840 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ais523 < 1257274845 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, a trojan? < 1257274850 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what exactly < 1257274868 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and time for clean reinstall + restore files you can verify by hand from backups < 1257274875 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 350720:6cfac1d7dfe66763441977dc8bcaf41c:Trojan.Agent-116143 < 1257274885 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that isn't the format syslog /should/ be in < 1257274890 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think an actual trojan is unlikely < 1257274893 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1257274897 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing I'm wondering about is ClamAV going mad < 1257274904 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and accidentally dumping part of its virus database into memory < 1257274913 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and causing a panic, and that bit ended up getting saved to syslog < 1257274924 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, but what about all those other apps? < 1257274994 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me paste the relevant pastebin section < 1257275031 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.ca/1655187 < 1257275044 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atm, I'm grepping the entire hard drive for "Trojan.Agent-", and also doing a virus scan < 1257275051 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the relevant syslog section < 1257275121 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my /theory/ is that ClamAV's virus database contains a line that looks like that, and that it somehow got dumped to sylog < 1257275144 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's nice to have two drivers for this webcam (sn9c102 and gspca_sonixj) of which only one works. Should make some rules to prioritize the working one in module-autoloading. < 1257275152 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1257275176 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I would also run memtest btw < 1257275185 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did a while back < 1257275190 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, again I mean. < 1257275193 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a few bitflips are unlikely to cause /that/ < 1257275201 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, kernel messed up big I suspect < 1257275201 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think software bugs are more likely < 1257275209 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: same here < 1257275224 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, should try to reproduce and file a bug report < 1257275230 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, it's even possible that the offending lines were added to the syslog by fsck < 1257275232 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any kernel crash dump file? < 1257275237 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: where would it be? < 1257275252 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, eh wait, fsck had to fix something that bad? < 1257275253 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh uh < 1257275259 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it ran after I restarted it < 1257275266 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and cleaned up loads of inodes < 1257275270 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I would run, from a cd, some verifier tool < 1257275277 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, what if the ext3 journal got corrupted? < 1257275282 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to check that all packages have correct md5sum < 1257275287 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, see suggestion above < 1257275289 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :livecd. Now < 1257275291 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1257275312 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also use smartctl in case disk is dying < 1257275317 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't have a relatively recent one on me < 1257275349 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, an older one could work. Point is, something that you can run a tool like debsums on (iirc you use a debian based distro? < 1257275385 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Palimpsest says the disk is fine < 1257275395 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Palimpsest? < 1257275405 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GUI SMART-parameter extractor thing < 1257275440 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, manually check the error log < 1257275447 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :smartctl -l error /dev/sda < 1257275447 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one? < 1257275449 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever < 1257275466 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also look at -A (attributes) < 1257275469 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have smartctl installed < 1257275469 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and -l selftest < 1257275479 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how would this Palimpsest read things then < 1257275487 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same way smartctl does, presumably < 1257275492 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1257275502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well look at the SMART error log and such < 1257275507 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume your tool can < 1257275510 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never used it < 1257275551 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't seem to have an option to < 1257275685 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, sounds like a shit tool < 1257275700 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it was on here as part of the default distribution < 1257275709 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's mostly meant for setting up RAIDs and fscking drives and so on < 1257275792 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cp /dev/urandom /tmp/chroot/dev < 1257275797 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would think that would work < 1257275798 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no < 1257275804 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cp doesn't copy the special file < 1257275818 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :result is: < 1257275822 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(same as) < 1257275832 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat /dev/urandom > /tmp/chroot/dev/urandom < 1257275959 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use ls -l and mknod to do the same thing < 1257275974 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if mknod can be used to escape from a chroot if you have root
< 1257275995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes but more work < 1257276019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, just trying to get su to work inside the chroot < 1257276027 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can drop privs in there and run the thing I need < 1257276033 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does su need /dev/urandom? < 1257276046 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I think it is the dynamic linker that does. < 1257276052 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heap randomisation or something is my guess < 1257276063 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it happens before several mprotect calls < 1257276066 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :early on < 1257276069 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to strace < 1257276092 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which exact addresses varies < 1257276345 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :su: Module is unknown < 1257276346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1257276488 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, argh ubuntu: su wants dbus (indirectly) < 1257276492 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather, a pam module does < 1257276644 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PAM makes things complex. Hooray. < 1257276736 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# chroot /opt/chroot /bin/su foo < 1257276736 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Password: < 1257276736 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash-3.2$ su - < 1257276736 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :su: must be run from a terminal < 1257276740 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two odd things < 1257276746 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) it asked root for password < 1257276758 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2) it wanted to be run from a terminal the second time only < 1257276769 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just did that to test. su isn't suid in there < 1257276986 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION did that to run unstuff with no harm
< 1257276992 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically I don't trust that thing one bit < 1257277000 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah this was in a VM on top of it < 1257277080 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1257277240 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's unstuff? < 1257277583 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, for working with *.sit < 1257277587 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's closed source < 1257277600 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only option there is on *nix though for recent versions of the file format < 1257277611 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and *.sit is used on macs. mostly pre-OS X < 1257278122 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-44-9.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1257278234 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1257278299 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1257278613 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I got sheepshaver to boot as far as install cd for OS 9 at least < 1257278674 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, for some reason the disk still get the OS 7 look for the icon < 1257278676 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very strange < 1257278682 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no it wasn't formatted there < 1257278709 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh the cd tells me it can't be used with this computer :/ < 1257279049 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1257279134 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well lets see if the 8.6 CD works < 1257279830 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Annoying. There's this composite-video (and mono-audio) "AV cable" for my camera, but the video output seems to be enabled only in playback mode. I could've used it as a much-better-sensor webcam; even blurry composite-video PAL is better than the horrible far-too-dark cheapo webcam otherwise. < 1257279890 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The manual says "Even if you set [VIDEO OUT] to [PAL], the output signal will still be NTSC in the recording mode", which sounds like there should be something going out in the other mode too, but that doesn't seem to be the case. < 1257280153 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you mean there is no signal at all in the recording mode? < 1257280176 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though manual says there will be? < 1257280180 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1257280202 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, idea: use it, then a web cam on the LCD screen preview XD < 1257280248 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the manual doesn't exactly say it very clearly, just that one sentence sort of implies it. On the other hand, when it talks about the TV out settings there's a "[playback mode only]" tag in those parts. < 1257280668 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they could be using some of the same DSP bits for both showing the moving preview picture on the LCD as well as doing the TV out video signal generation. At least I hope there's a sensible explanation like that; it would be pretty silly if it were just a completely unnecessary programmatic limitation, added in hopes of getting people to buy dedicated video cameras instead. < 1257280758 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I think the latter is more probable < 1257280771 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Meh." < 1257280831 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm trying to set up some sort of video recording thing to see whether the cat does anything else than sleeping during the day when we're both at work.) < 1257281024 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay.. seems "couldn't be installed on this computer" meant "do not emulate so much ram" < 1257281025 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1257281683 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, installing OS 9 sure is a lot slower than installing OS 7 < 1257281699 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw OS 9 cd did boot on 16 MB RAM but then refused to install < 1257281706 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :512 MB was the upper limit < 1257282211 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Half a gigabyte is quite a lot. < 1257284804 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hah < 1257284813 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh and... sheepshaver is buggy < 1257284815 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very much < 1257284818 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crashes a lot < 1257285201 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure there are very many alternatives. Rosetta is OS X -only and doesn't run the Classic environment anyway, PearPC doesn't emulate the necessary powermac bits, and I guess qemu's not very complete either, though it does have some powermac peripherals. (At least I can't find many references to running Mac OS with qemu-system-ppc.) < 1257285215 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SheepShaver might work better on a powerpc arch, though. < 1257285320 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though on Linux/PPC you could just run Mac-on-Linux.) < 1257285362 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, "mac on linux"? < 1257285377 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1257285382 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mac-on-linux.sourceforge.net/, you know. < 1257285390 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit dead nowadays. < 1257285424 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs Linux/PPC, Mac OS X or Mac OS 7.5.2 - 9.2.2 on a Linux/PPC host. < 1257285460 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it doesn't do PowerPC emulation at all, so you can't run it on an Intel box, so I guess people have lost interest after Apple did the Intel switch. < 1257285499 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried it on that Performa, actually, and it seemed to work reasonably well. Haven't tried on the iBook, though. < 1257285546 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh I found a cd with norton utilities for mac < 1257285559 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no "symantec" mentioned there < 1257285567 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so old < 1257285580 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and it has some disk checker and some disk defrag apps iirc < 1257285859 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah can't get it to boot from a cd now :/ < 1257285866 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just completely unable to < 1257285872 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the OS is installed < 1257285876 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't complain too much < 1257286037 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it mostly seems that it is mostly stable when you mostly don't access that "Unix" thing < 1257286689 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you could manage to get qemu-user to work, then you could do the MISC binary format support thing and get PPC binary emulation going... < 1257286708 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, so you can run mac binaries there? < 1257286716 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, old mac games < 1257286717 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and such < 1257286723 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is what I'm interested in < 1257286726 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Ah. < 1257286740 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How old? < 1257286748 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, new enough to be PPC only < 1257286757 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PearPC? < 1257286764 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, would need classic still < 1257286772 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it is PPC classic that is relevant here < 1257286775 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm... < 1257286778 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, Ever played avernum? < 1257286784 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or possibly exile < 1257286794 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Freaking tricky. < 1257286800 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, avernum? < 1257286804 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1257286804 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something else? < 1257286806 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1257286815 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what is "freaking tricky" then? < 1257286824 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qemu-user-ppc and Mac-on-Linux is the only way I can think of to do it... < 1257286837 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.. sheepshaver kind of works < 1257286840 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Run PPC non-Unix Mac binaries. < 1257286840 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just very unstable < 1257286842 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@p5B136E7F.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1257286872 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks for a copy of MPW
< 1257286885 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://developer.apple.com/tools/mpw-tools/ < 1257286886 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh look < 1257287009 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1257287073 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking slow download though < 1257287074 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1257287091 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yes, those have been released quite a while ago. < 1257287116 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had them installed on the Performa, for example (I *do* keep talking about it, but it's your fault really); you get a reasonably shell-like thing with it. < 1257287136 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a Make-alike, IIRC. < 1257287176 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that too. < 1257287369 0 :Oranjer!n=Owner@adsl-243-220-33.cae.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1257287445 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, true < 1257287451 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for rasonably < 1257287451 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1257287455 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reasonably* < 1257287460 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well could be debated < 1257287463 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, see logs < 1257287466 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :link is in /topic < 1257287471 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1257287488 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, please please stop saying "what" or such as often < 1257287495 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1257287519 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I completely forgot how it worked though < 1257287570 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I do keep wondering why ftp downloads from apple.com are running at around 30 K/s < 1257287571 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irritating < 1257287719 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow at 40 K/s now < 1257287930 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, any luck with networking in it? < 1257288340 0 :adam_d!n=Adam@AAnnecy-751-1-2-50.w90-52.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1257288472 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffs. < 1257288484 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now apple's ftp is messing up sometimes wanting login < 1257288487 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and working randomly < 1257288641 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1257288656 0 :augur!n=augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1257288712 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: debsums did find one file (and its manpage) that was wrong, but it was pdftoppm, in poppler-utils < 1257288715 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reinstalled, anyway < 1257288734 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the manpage looked normal, so I think the wrong version got installed somehow < 1257289047 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1257289635 0 :Oranjer1!n=Owner@adsl-243-220-33.cae.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1257290180 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1257290185 0 :Oranjer1!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Oranjer < 1257290611 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1257290700 0 :cal153!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1257290826 0 :cal153!n=cal@c-69-181-46-213.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1257290852 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1257292053 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection