< 1257466049 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not sure what exist mean.... < 1257466063 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly we can not care but in the formal sense it matters < 1257467800 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/13/science/space/13lhc.html <-- reason might be that it ends the current branch of reality :) < 1257467936 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LHC :( < 1257468288 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1257468288 0 :clog!n=nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1257469078 0 :clog_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1257470041 0 :augur!n=augur@c-98-218-242-255.hsd1.dc.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1257470572 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1257470707 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1257470841 0 :augur!n=augur@c-98-218-242-255.hsd1.dc.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1257470959 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1257471530 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX http://www.theonion.com/content/node/30990 < 1257471546 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LHC having problems again? < 1257471887 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1257472004 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PROBLEM: Every time a page in Hackiki was viewed, lib/python/creole.pyc would be updated, creating unnecessary churn in the hg-stored FS. < 1257472021 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOLUTION: rm lib/python/creole.pyc ; mkdir lib/python/creole.pyc ; touch lib/python/creole.pyc/empty < 1257472022 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1257472037 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1257472590 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting. X keyboard driver froze to extent that not even CTRL+ALT+Fx worked. Forcibly switching to text console and back cleared it up. < 1257472629 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It's faster to use the .pyc-file. Otherwise the .py will have to be parsed each time. < 1257472677 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: But it ends up slowing down hg quite a bit because the .pyc file gets *touched* every time. < 1257465804 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1257465804 0 :clog_!n=nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1257465926 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1257465953 0 :augur!n=augur@c-98-218-242-255.hsd1.dc.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1257473812 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1257474120 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MizardX: Yes, but the modification times aren't handled by hg. < 1257474137 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's actually reparsing and recompiling it every time. < 1257474142 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know what a .pyc file is :P{ < 1257474470 0 :augur_!n=augur@208-59-119-22.c3-0.161-ubr1.lnh-161.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1257474499 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1257474521 0 :augur_!n=augur@208-59-119-22.c3-0.161-ubr1.lnh-161.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1257474598 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, Hackiki supports file uploads now, so, y'know, make use of that n' all. < 1257474760 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sets an environment variable called FILES, then for each file it sets a difficult-to-read environment variable called FILE_ to the original filename. < 1257475043 0 :MizardX-!i=MizardX@h-28-236.A159.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1257475053 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1257475072 0 :MizardX-!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :MizardX < 1257475129 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1257475509 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.turtleflight.com/mbh/behavior_table.gif I'm pretty sure ehird will want to kill someone < 1257475541 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programming in MS Comic Sans! < 1257475665 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1257477830 0 :augur!n=augur@c-98-218-242-255.hsd1.dc.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1257478234 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1257478827 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1257480927 0 :Slereah_!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-111-65.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1257481113 0 :augur_!n=augur@c-98-218-242-255.hsd1.dc.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1257481119 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1257481971 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1257482232 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1257482346 0 :augur!n=augur@c-98-218-242-255.hsd1.dc.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1257483174 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1257484218 0 :immibis!n=immibis@125-236-168-62.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1257487166 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1257487737 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1257487774 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1257489071 0 :augur!n=augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr2.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1257491399 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1257494399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1257495953 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1257495953 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.4/20091016092926]" < 1257497222 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1257500381 0 :ehird!n=ehird@212.183.134.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1257500394 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:16:36 http://www.amazon.com/Essential-Vivaldi-Masterpieces-Amazon-Exclusive/dp/B002POQ2UQ . Go. Buy. < 1257500397 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$6.99 for some unscarce bits? whyever would I do that? < 1257500399 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:24:44 he was (apparently) a priest, so I doubt he cared about money < 1257500401 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA < 1257500403 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:45:49 http://s.engramstudio.com/src/sdc.txt <- tentative rules < 1257500405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :60 fps = waste of time < 1257500407 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also hi guys < 1257500453 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:57:28 You fontophiles are idiots. < 1257500453 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Liberation Mono is perfectly fine, don't confuse AnMaster being a malcontent with him being a font connoisseur. < 1257500467 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should probably not bother trying to read five days of events < 1257500502 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:58:31 Gregor, I'm no fontofile. I prefer Ariel over Helvetia because the font spacing is proper in konqueror with it < 1257500503 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...especially when he's idiotic enough to confuse a font with a typeface. < 1257500508 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And misspell Arial.) < 1257500511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Oh, and Helvetica.) < 1257500519 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And fontophile.) < 1257500613 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:01:13 some P4s are allegedly slower than some P3s !! ; It is true of all lines of Intels (at least since P1pro) that there are early models of the newer one that is slower than the latest models of the previous one. < 1257500613 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the i7. < 1257500617 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was faster from the start. < 1257500716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:05:43 ehird, I estimate it is around 17 C indoors atm < 1257500716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:05:52 you could maybe use another one to kill two birds with one stone ;-) < 1257500717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:06:00 Rugxulo, hah. < 1257500717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:06:07 Rugxulo, I care about environment a bit < 1257500717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:06:18 so I try to go by bus instead of car and so on < 1257500718 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind invisible sandwich — invisible non sequitur-producing thought process < 1257500803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:16:59 Rugxulo, AMD CPUs use more power < 1257500803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:17:00 other than that they are better IMO < 1257500803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably you don't mean technologically, as AMD CPUs are simply inferior in every aspect nowadays < 1257500805 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1257500878 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:45:09 http://www.turtleflight.com/mbh/behavior_table.gif I'm pretty sure ehird will want to kill someone < 1257500879 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, myself < 1257500888 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still possible that they might release a faster-than-the-slowest-i7 in some of the earlier series. Maybe not that likely, though. (I think that's what happened with the original Pentium; the 60 MHz Pentium introduced March 1993 was faster than the 66 MHz 486dx2 models available at that time, but I have a feeling that the 100 MHz 486dx4 models from late 1994 beat the first 60 MHz Pentium.) < 1257500961 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not likely. The Core 2s of similar clocks to the first-model, lowest-end i7 lose slightly. < 1257500965 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Why is it called "DX4" anyway when it runs at triple the bus clock rate?) < 1257500978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly with the brute force of clock speed and a lot of money you could get the uber-best Core 2 to beat the 920 < 1257501410 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/, subject to the following conditions:\n\nThe above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in\nall copies or substantial portions of the Software.// < 1257501740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm http://www.opensource.org/licenses/fair.php looks like the simplest OSI-approved license < 1257501751 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although "usage" is very vague < 1257501921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:35:18 and what was adlib? < 1257501921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:35:29 or Roland MT-32? (sounds familiar, unlike adlib) < 1257501921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION claps
< 1257501934 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MT-32 only being the best MIDI synthesiser ever made. < 1257501941 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adlib only being one of the most popular soundcards of the 90s. < 1257501963 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, clearly you already know these things being so sure that DOS nostalgia is ridiculous. Otherwise you wouldn't be so sure, right? < 1257502078 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially the mt-32 was unique due to its total reprogrammability < 1257502105 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unemulatable too, due to much analogness < 1257502286 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:05:53 but you keep saying, "What's the point?" as if it was always so cut and dry < 1257502286 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only proper emotional expression is symphonic music composed by dead men! < 1257502332 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just a matter of signal processing with enough bits. ScummVM has a MT-32 emulator (from the Munt project; it eats a ROM image you have to extract from a real MT-32), though I can't attest at all to how faithful it is. < 1257502397 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@77-100-194-169.cable.ubr04.pres.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1257502505 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The predecessor ("MT-32 Emulation Project") has a MP3 sample file from both the real and emulated synthesizers at http://www.artworxinn.com/alex/downloads.htm, but I don't have headphones here right now. On a forum someone says it isn't very good. < 1257502506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:46:33 AnMaster: http://www.lauppert.ws/screen1/mac/glider.png < 1257502507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:46:39 The games are nowadays free, it seems. < 1257502507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1257502512 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the scummvm mt-32 emulator sucks < 1257502519 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a real MT-32, and I pirated the relevant ROM files < 1257502522 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no comparison < 1257502556 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:48:13 Possibly a ripoff of some kind, since I think it was on a PC. It /was/ a paper aeroplane. < 1257502557 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a pc version iirc < 1257502575 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a Windows version on the download page, yes. < 1257502580 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. < 1257502581 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Of the older Glider 4.) < 1257502597 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it runs on os x, the latest one there < 1257502603 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's just the os 9 one compiled for os x < 1257502607 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but that's too easy! < 1257502607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uses old school quickdraw stuff < 1257502611 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very confusing to use on os x :) < 1257502624 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The house editor works only in the OS 9 version, too. < 1257502636 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, horrific. :P < 1257502661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, MT-32 emulators can never emulate the best thing about it. < 1257502676 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seeing the tiny calculator-style LCD display light up with a game-specific message in the intro. < 1257502738 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could try to sell a special USB peripheral that'd have a similar-looking display; only used by a MT-32 emulator program to display that. I'm sure it'd be a hit. < 1257502890 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DSP development boards tend to have all kinds of programmable blinkenlights and dip switches, ostensibly for making it easier to debug your code since you can run it real-time and watch the lights -- but I really suspect they've added those just because the plain PCB boards are so utterly boring to look at. Quite a lot of the demo-example-programs of one SDK do a Knight Rider style led-blinkery for no special reason. < 1257502913 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It could even have a little chip that reads in digital data, feeds it through a nop analog circuit, and returns it as digital data. < 1257502919 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The analog fuzz can be yours again! < 1257502955 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, modifying the ISC license may be the best idea. < 1257502957 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Permission to use, copy, modify, and/or distribute this software for any purpose with or without fee is hereby granted, provided that the above copyright notice and this permission notice appear in all copies." < 1257502958 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :→ < 1257502963 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Permission to use, copy, modify, and/or distribute this software for any purpose with or without fee is hereby granted." < 1257502984 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then use the warranty disclaimer from the Fair License; "DISCLAIMER: THE WORKS ARE WITHOUT WARRANTY." < 1257503099 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your software is FREE as in reFREshmEnts. < 1257503121 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FREE as in Fuck copyright, Repeal Electrical Engineers! Wait... what? < 1257503145 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As stated the law allows abuses of software. Require a clause that no malicious uses may be entered into with said program conditional of any use." —OSI page for the MIT license < 1257503157 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELLO DOUGLAS CROCKFORD < 1257503173 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to Wikipedia, TEMPEST comes from "Tremendously Endowed Men Performing Exciting Sexual Techniques". (Okay, so that's just one of the suggested backronym formations.) < 1257503219 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tally-ho; erections must penetrate estrogen's stomach tumour. < 1257503313 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Copyright (c) 2009, Elliott Hird < 1257503314 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1257503316 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Permission to use, copy, modify, and/or distribute this software < 1257503316 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for any purpose with or without fee is hereby granted. < 1257503316 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1257503316 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DISCLAIMER: THE WORKS ARE WITHOUT WARRANTY. < 1257503327 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess I should s/WORKS/SOFTWARE/. < 1257503332 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, really, it would be nice if it applied to all works. < 1257503356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, permission to use is pretty implicit, I'd say... hmm. < 1257503383 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should also s/DISCLAIMER/GENTLEMENT/ -- that would make it sound better. < 1257503392 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Discard the spurious T, though. < 1257503393 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1257503409 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to do copying→? as in modify→modification, distribute→distribution
< 1257503448 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Substituting copying for ?, methinks this is t he best: < 1257503449 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Copyright (c) 2009, Elliott Hird < 1257503450 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage, copying, modification and distribution of the works is permitted. < 1257503451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DISCLAIMER: THE WORKS ARE WITHOUT WARRANTY. < 1257503451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the best < 1257503481 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps "of the works and any derivative works", so you can distribute post-modification (though apparently the OSI lawyers don't think that's necessary, seeing as it's "Usage of the works is permitted provided that this instrument is retained with the works, so that any entity that uses the works is notified of this instrument.") < 1257503490 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But "usage" is way too vague for me. < 1257503550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Copyright (c) 2009, Elliott Hird < 1257503551 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1257503552 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage, copying, modification and distribution of the works and any derivative works is permitted. < 1257503552 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1257503552 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DISCLAIMER: THE WORKS ARE WITHOUT WARRANTY. < 1257503559 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"works is permitted" seems awkward, though. < 1257503572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if the singular "work" would suffice. < 1257504201 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Copyright (c) 2009, Elliott Hird < 1257504202 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1257504202 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage, copying, modification and distribution of this work and any derivative works is hereby permitted. < 1257504202 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1257504202 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DISCLAIMER: THIS WORK IS PROVIDED WITHOUT WARRANTY. < 1257505126 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason, I thought "GENTLEMENT" was a truncated version of the proper word. < 1257505135 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like GENTLEMENTATION. < 1257505413 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION orders someone to shop the GENTLEMEN picture to say GENTLEMENTATION
< 1257505427 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, "GENTLEMENTATION.". < 1257505515 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Copyright (c) 2009, Elliott Hird < 1257505516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Permission to use, copy, modify and distribute this work is hereby granted. < 1257505516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DISCLAIMER: THIS WORK IS PROVIDED WITHOUT WARRANTY. < 1257505518 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amend, amend, amend. < 1257505534 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess "hereby" is omittable, but it seems to flow better. < 1257505659 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, there's always that person mentioning that (c) has no legal effect/ < 1257505660 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*effect. < 1257505669 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I don't think the year really matters. < 1257505680 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "Copyright Elliott Hird" is... pretty implicit. < 1257505692 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Permission to use, copy, modify and distribute this work is granted. < 1257505693 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1257505693 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS WORK IS PROVIDED WITHOUT WARRANTY. < 1257505695 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that's minimalism for you. < 1257505758 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Permission to use, copy, modify and distribute this work is granted. < 1257505759 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1257505759 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THERE IS NO WARRANTY. < 1257505814 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone know if permission to use is implicit in copyright law? Pretty sure it is. < 1257505931 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The WTFPL is basically "Permission to do anything with this work is granted.", but that doesn't seem very robust. < 1257505941 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The FSF thinks it's okay, though, so perhaps I could simplify further. < 1257505957 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1257505959 0 :ehird!n=ehird@212.183.134.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1257505961 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops. < 1257506449 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Permission is granted to copy, modify and distribute this work." < 1257506543 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here is the only licence you need: < 1257506548 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"just do what you want" < 1257506558 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *did* mention the WTFPL, you know. < 1257506576 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no because software licencing is the worst thing < 1257506581 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't mean the actual idea, it's there < 1257506587 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if we could be so cavalier about the law, then the most license we'd need would be the null string. < 1257506598 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually it'd be nice if copyright was repealed, but it isn't.) < 1257506607 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but like < 1257506617 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :having a million versions of YEAH DO WHAT YOU WANT < 1257506621 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the worst thing < 1257506625 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But personally I don't feel like encouraging another djb situation, when software is inaccessible to most potential users because of licensing issues. < 1257506630 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing: There really aren't that many. < 1257506641 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The WTFPL is the only one, really. < 1257506644 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe a few obscure ones. < 1257506660 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 IF NUM_GAY_LICENCES > 0 GOTO 20 < 1257506661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even the MIT license has restrictions (inclusion of the notice). < 1257506664 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 PRINT "THIS IS SHIT" < 1257506670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :License-on-license action? Hot. < 1257506765 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But seriously, no, there aren't that many licenses with no restrictions; the WTFPL is probably okay to use but it also contains a bunch of boilerplate around the main do-what-the-fuck-you-want-to text and, besides, I'm not sure how it'd stand up in the retarded courts. < 1257506850 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuq da g-man < 1257506866 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the WTFPL is intended for software use only. < 1257506897 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing: is batting backwards and forth between retarded, incoherent and illogical and intelligent, coherent and logical your schtick or something? you do it a lot < 1257506923 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's something somebody does a lot then i think that's a schtick by definition < 1257506961 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thar he blows! < 1257506969 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do it again, do it again < 1257506992 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :software licencing gives me tremendous feelings of not feeling anything < 1257507009 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll note I never mentioned software. < 1257507016 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, it is incredibly boring. < 1257507024 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also necessary due to the idiocy that is copyright. < 1257507033 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there money in it < 1257507093 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no money in a lot of good things. < 1257507101 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But licensing isn't good. < 1257507108 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant more like < 1257507109 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm not sure what my or your points are. < 1257507120 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're using the licencing to protect your golds then that's okay < 1257507132 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is only business and nobody is expecting business to be free of puffery < 1257507151 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using licensing to negate the restrictions that copyright law places on my works. < 1257507169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Public domain is, unfortunately, legally shaky. < 1257507175 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it isn't < 1257507182 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just *don't prosecute anybody* < 1257507205 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, Bernstein tried that < 1257507220 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :explain the case of Bernstein v. Shyster < 1257507240 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Result: Linux distributions wouldn't touch his software with a ten foot pole, a lot of businesses almost certainly shied away (because, you know, he could prosecute them and win), blah blah blah < 1257507250 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides, what you're proposing, then, isn't public domain. < 1257507258 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's "keep the copyright but don't enforce it". < 1257507262 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The two concepts are distinct. < 1257507276 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both are idiotic to try and apply, but the latter is at least well-defined in all legal systems. < 1257507329 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you care about well-defined in legal systems exactly < 1257507334 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :explain this bernstein thing better < 1257507356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because everyone else does. Works aren't a bubble, and I publish them so that other people will take them. < 1257507369 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"this bernstein thing" is ambiguous. < 1257507406 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, [[WP:DISAMBIGUATE]] < 1257507411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right from the very start Debian (and Ubuuntu) and Fedora won't include my software, and I very much doubt any other major Linux distributions would. < 1257507415 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever the fuken wikipedia code is < 1257507419 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The BSDs will probably ignore it too. < 1257507436 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every business ever (not that I care much) as well, and probably a handful of users too. < 1257507446 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bernstein < 1257507448 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Begging the question why I'd even bother publishing software. < 1257507448 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is bernstein < 1257507457 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :daniel j bernstein. < 1257507462 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka djb < 1257507465 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*bearenstein < 1257507472 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Author of qmail, djbdns. < 1257507542 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this doesn't seem like a licencing issue < 1257507556 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this seems like an issue regarding the classification of encryption as munitions < 1257507633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're an idiot < 1257507646 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hurr people can only have one issue? < 1257507653 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never mentioned bernstein v. usa < 1257507658 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try reading < 1257507680 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffffff < 1257507688 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then clarify < 1257507707 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[11:32] ehird: Public domain is, unfortunately, legally shaky. < 1257507708 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[11:32] Pthing: no it isn't < 1257507708 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[11:33] Pthing: you just *don't prosecute anybody* < 1257507708 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[11:33] ehird: Yep, Bernstein tried that < 1257507736 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, what did he try < 1257507783 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not licensing his software and just not suing anybody. < 1257507796 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what happened? < 1257507833 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody shipped his software. It had a decent base of users (especially a lot of corporations use qmail), and he's famous, but you had to manually download and compile it yourself. < 1257507851 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and even he, who is quite clued up law-wise, says that this means you can't distribute modified versions, just patches. < 1257507863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In conclusion, no, "not suing anybody" is not a viable substitute for a license. < 1257507883 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see why that necessarily follows < 1257507911 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he may just be terrible at convincing people to use his software, and he's using this licence thing as an excuse < 1257507941 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1257507947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you clearly have no idea who djb is < 1257507955 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you've admitted this yourself < 1257507967 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so please, don't make embarrassing grasps at straws < 1257508006 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :— his software is widely considered high-quality, he has a large money grant for anyone to find a bug, and there's only been something like four ever published (this is for qmail and djbdns, iirc) < 1257508009 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's no big feat to be like "hey, you don't know anything" to somebody who has been asking you for details and to explain yourself because he doesn't understand < 1257508035 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it helps to make a reasonable assumption that I'm not using bernstein as an example because he's an idiot who can't write good software < 1257508043 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be pretty stupid, after all. < 1257508045 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never wished to suggest that < 1257508059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is it suggesting, you said it outright < 1257508062 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where < 1257508064 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[11:45] Pthing: he may just be terrible at convincing people to use his software, and he's using this licence thing as an excuse < 1257508065 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there < 1257508068 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1257508079 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : it helps to make a reasonable assumption that I'm not using bernstein as an example because he's an idiot who can't write good software < 1257508095 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" he's an idiot who can't write good software" == " he may just be terrible at convincing people to use his software"? < 1257508120 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i'm kinda tired and didn't remember the exact line < 1257508129 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but whatever, obviously the implication was that my example was not about the licensing < 1257508135 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :motherfucker, is your buffer two lines high < 1257508143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that's anmaster. < 1257508154 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :being terrible at convincing people to use your software would generally lead to someone being not well known at all < 1257508161 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and using such a nobody as an example would be very odd indeed methinks. < 1257508169 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends who he'strying to convince! < 1257508204 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a fatal miscarriage, so ill to order affairs, as to pass for a fool in one company, when in another you might be treated as a philosopher. < 1257508228 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, a quote from poem of the pthing :-P < 1257508236 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jonathan swift < 1257508242 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i say otherwise! < 1257508253 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know, i think it's scrolled off the top < 1257508261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1257508261 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1257508266 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, what did you say last < 1257508271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can make funnies me. < 1257508278 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know, my screen is just full of your lines < 1257508430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Permission is granted to copy, modify and distribute this work. < 1257508430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1257508430 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THERE IS NO WARRANTY. < 1257508431 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION watches Pthing squirm with detached interest
< 1257508460 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"do what you want" has four words < 1257508491 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fart butterfly cake" has one less < 1257508504 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck, even the WTFPL needs an additional warranty disclaimer < 1257508529 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"do what you want. there is no warranty" would probably stand up, but it's still shaky. < 1257509324 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1257510018 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Misread "my screen is just full of your lies"; but maybe that is also applicable! (I haven't read the screen.) < 1257510033 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1257510117 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the coding theory thing had an "error", or well, it was made simpler by adding "there are no codewords of weight 2"; we'll probably prove the other cases in the next two homework sets < 1257510132 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's utterly trivial with that addition < 1257510181 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the other cases are simple, but the lecturer at least doesn't know a simple solution, you have to check a few cases < 1257510225 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming you still remember the original question < 1257510245 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again who could forget a mathematical question < 1257512960 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Massachusetts General Law, Chapter 266: Section 102A1/2. Possession, transportation, use or placement of hoax devices: < 1257512960 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(b) For the purposes of this section, the term "hoax device" shall mean any device that would cause a person reasonably to believe that such device is an infernal machine. For the purposes of this section, the term "infernal machine" shall mean any device for endangering life or doing unusual damage to property, or both, by fire or explosion, whether or not contrived to ignite or explode automatically." < 1257512985 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beware, the infernal machine! < 1257514390 0 :jix!n=jix@188-192-190-77-dynip.superkabel.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1257515520 0 :MigoMipo!i=kvirc@95.209.183.74.bredband.tre.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1257516321 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"First give it intelligence, then give it a gun." < 1257516469 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see my spam:ham ratio. < 1257516502 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6392:175 < 1257516516 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LURVE WEBERNETS < 1257516545 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1257516680 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"co'o rodo" < 1257516751 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1257516852 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-92-196.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1257516887 0 :MigoMipo!i=kvirc@95.209.58.154.bredband.tre.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1257516898 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1257517505 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : yes, myself <-- do it! < 1257518310 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1257518492 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, iwc < 1257518546 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, and a question about it. Wondering if you can figure out why < 1257518556 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(why jamie said that in the last panel I mean) < 1257518557 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1257518799 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :experience? < 1257518816 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, eh? why it was inevitable < 1257518838 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what do you mean? < 1257518875 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that _is_ the kind of universe that is. i am sure ehird can come up with some way of deriding you for not having noticed. < 1257518912 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, right, but isn't that something the characters are supposed to be unaware of? < 1257518946 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, actually that's the kind of _multiverse_ that is. i think it applies to all of them... < 1257518984 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1257519072 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, this is not the kind of universe where you can expect characters to be unaware of things. unless they are named steve or serron. < 1257519096 0 :|MigoMipo|!i=kvirc@94.191.141.163.bredband.tre.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1257519143 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or james stud. < 1257519149 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh I found out that sheepshaver fails at emulation for some games I wanted to play. They all display black game screen (controls and such around still) < 1257519150 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1257519177 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@83.183.181.73 JOIN :#esoteric < 1257519178 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh or nigerian finance minister :) < 1257519196 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1257519200 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, there are a lot of characters you can expect to be unaware of things. but not all ;) < 1257519202 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, or probably a few more < 1257519209 0 :|MigoMipo|!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :MigoMipo < 1257519211 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just can't think of them atm < 1257519258 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kyros, but not in the same way - he just doesn't _care_ if things go wrong from others' perspective < 1257519377 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh william shakespeare, probably < 1257519533 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh montana jones < 1257519555 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok most major themes have at least one clueless character < 1257519678 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, not mythbusters? < 1257519744 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm well... < 1257520301 0 :|MigoMipo|!i=kvirc@79.138.186.137 JOIN :#esoteric < 1257520326 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1257520589 0 :GregorR-L!n=gregor@pal-179-103.itap.purdue.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1257520797 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal" < 1257521128 0 :|MigoMipo|!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :MigoMipo < 1257521693 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1257522161 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1257522257 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"I am leaving. You are about to explode." < 1257522854 0 :GregorR-L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1257523705 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :sendak.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1257523715 0 :ineiros!n=itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1257523729 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :sendak.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1257523749 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :sendak.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1257523761 0 :Ilari!n=user@a88-113-39-59.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1257523792 0 :pikhq!n=pikhq@131.151.189.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1257524452 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1257526876 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1257527095 0 :fax!n=somebody@unaffiliated/fax JOIN :#esoteric < 1257527109 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1257527130 0 :fax!n=somebody@unaffiliated/fax JOIN :#esoteric < 1257527588 0 :augur_!n=augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr2.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1257527589 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1257528178 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1257528355 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-96.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1257528394 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"co'o rodo" < 1257528634 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1257529327 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1257532173 0 :madbrain!n=madbrain@modemcable175.136-81-70.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1257532852 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-26-96.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1257533145 0 :sebbu3!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-23-25.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1257533339 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1257534105 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1257534136 0 :MigoMipo!i=kvirc@95.209.182.174.bredband.tre.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1257534314 0 :sebbu!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-23-25.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1257535089 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1257535290 0 :sebbu3!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1257536158 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"co'o rodo" < 1257536611 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm strongly considering moving some stuff over to Hackiki :P < 1257538659 0 :Leonidas1!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Leonidas < 1257540081 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1257543974 0 :zzo38!n=zzo38@h24-207-48-53.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1257543987 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a background story text of my D&D character: http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/dnd/raw_transcripts/Vyb_back_story.txt < 1257543998 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I should tell my brother to do so, also. < 1257544007 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I miss anything important? < 1257544076 0 :augur!n=augur@edge.dcaccess.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1257544264 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1257544348 0 :augur_!n=augur@edge.dcaccess.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1257544377 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1257544492 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1257544506 0 :fax!n=somebody@unaffiliated/fax JOIN :#esoteric < 1257545033 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1257545129 0 :olsner!n=salparot@h-60-96.A163.priv.bahnhof.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1257545694 0 :immibis!n=immibis@125-236-168-62.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1257547135 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1257548234 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1257549583 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1257550397 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal" < 1257550923 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)