< 1257552504 0 :cal153!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1257552858 0 :cal153!n=cal@c-69-181-46-213.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1257555703 0 :augur!n=augur@208-59-119-22.c3-0.161-ubr1.lnh-161.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1257556119 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.5/20091102152451]" < 1257556302 0 :augur_!n=augur@208-59-119-22.c3-0.161-ubr1.lnh-161.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1257556380 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1257556907 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1257557910 0 :augur!n=augur@208-59-119-22.c3-0.161-ubr1.lnh-161.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1257558170 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1257558186 0 :augur!n=augur@208-59-119-22.c3-0.161-ubr1.lnh-161.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1257558270 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1257558382 0 :augur_!n=augur@208-59-119-22.c3-0.161-ubr1.lnh-161.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1257558714 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1257558848 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection reset by peer < 1257560515 0 :iamcal!n=cal@c-69-181-46-213.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1257561810 0 :cal153!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1257561962 0 :augur!n=augur@208-59-119-22.c3-0.161-ubr1.lnh-161.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1257562008 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1257563583 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1257564027 0 :dbc!n=daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1257564314 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1257564560 0 :augur___!n=augur@208-59-119-22.c3-0.161-ubr1.lnh-161.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1257565905 0 :augur___!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1257567313 0 :augur!n=augur@208-59-119-22.c3-0.161-ubr1.lnh-161.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1257568726 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1257569056 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1257569072 0 :oklopol!n=oklopol@a91-153-117-63.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1257569842 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1257571764 0 :zzo38!n=zzo38@h24-207-48-53.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1257571919 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1257572802 0 :zzo38!n=zzo38@h24-207-48-53.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1257572804 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it good? Did I forget anything? http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/dnd/raw_transcripts/Vyb_back_story.txt < 1257572886 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, in 8 hours there has been still only join and quit < 1257572987 0 :augur!n=augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr2.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1257573021 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1257573372 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1257573550 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@97-118-124-13.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1257575046 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1257575851 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Radiateur" < 1257578212 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1257579714 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1257580531 0 :pikhq_!n=pikhq@r02jjw8v9.device.mst.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1257580677 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1257580799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1257580800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1257581484 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :pikhq < 1257583637 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is experimenting with a new alarm... this better not mess up < 1257584672 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1257588592 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1257589538 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, alarm for? < 1257589543 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in alarm() ? < 1257590350 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-169-6-186.range86-169.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1257592108 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1257592185 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-169-6-186.range86-169.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1257593284 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1257594002 0 :rodgort!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1257594012 0 :rodgort!n=rodgort@li14-39.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1257594506 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@77-100-194-169.cable.ubr04.pres.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1257596113 0 :Slereah_!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-120-216.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1257597149 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1257597742 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1257598204 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-120-216.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1257599200 0 :jix!n=jix@188-192-190-77-dynip.superkabel.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1257600456 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1257600480 0 :jix!n=jix@188-192-190-77-dynip.superkabel.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1257600520 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1257601527 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1257601570 0 :ehird!n=ehird@212.183.134.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1257601655 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1257601812 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1257602623 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1257603526 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-120-216.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1257603820 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :sendak.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1257604255 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-120-216.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1257604512 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frailties. < 1257604594 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :sendak.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1257604651 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:25:05 yes, myself <-- do it! < 1257604651 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by myself i evidently meant you. < 1257604665 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1257604949 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:42:26 oerjan, and a question about it. Wondering if you can figure out why < 1257604950 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:42:36 (why jamie said that in the last panel I mean) < 1257604950 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:46:39 experience? < 1257604951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:46:56 oerjan, eh? why it was inevitable < 1257604951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:47:18 oerjan, what do you mean? < 1257604951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:47:55 that _is_ the kind of universe that is. i am sure ehird can come up with some way of deriding you for not having noticed. < 1257604953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Au contraire; AnMaster is an expert in unintentionally deriding himself. I could not possibly top him. < 1257604988 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-120-216.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1257605044 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:25:38 coppro, alarm for? < 1257605045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:25:43 as in alarm() ? < 1257605045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also an expert in intentionally misunderstanding < 1257605049 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(cue "it was a joke") < 1257605138 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I did find alarm() unlikely. But what sort of alarm it was was rather unclear. Perhaps alarm for overheating? Or an alarm clock to wake up in the morning? < 1257605151 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but surely you can tell me which one he meant < 1257605151 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was pretty obviously for waking up. < 1257605734 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Silence! < 1257605803 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: as in waking up < 1257605819 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, right < 1257605825 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, obvious why? < 1257605832 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's obvious. < 1257605866 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, nice circle argument. < 1257605889 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With such stunning spelling of "circular argument", it's clear that you are a higher authority than I on what is obvious in English text. < 1257605920 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes as I expected... you are back on OS X < 1257605923 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ehird- VERSION Colloquy 2.3 (4617) - Mac OS X 10.5.8 (Intel) - http://colloquy.info < 1257605930 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been on OS X for weeks. < 1257605947 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, okay, maybe you just had a bad day? < 1257605950 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure a circular argument (even if it was one) beats a completely unsubstantiated ad hominem, though. < 1257605963 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION puts ehird on ignore for now. < 1257605966 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially one without any backing logic or reason, just a splatter of data points selectively sampled. < 1257605990 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sure would be nice if AnMaster would /ignore me for more than 5 minutes. < 1257606089 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what mood AnMaster will divinate^Wscientifically assign to my Linux; perhaps "slightly mellow with a hint of cynicism". < 1257607690 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@p5B1363F6.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1257608118 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1257608195 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1257608229 0 :fax!n=somebody@amcant.demon.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1257608236 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to swat FireFly, misses and swats ehird instead -----### < 1257608252 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't you have hit fax instead? he's closer < 1257608286 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well apparently he didn't < 1257608344 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure there was probably karma involved < 1257608403 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i'm sure "i'm sure there was probably" is probably not an ideal way of expression < 1257608492 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm pretty sure a circular argument (even if it was one) beats a completely unsubstantiated ad hominem, though. < 1257608502 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just say that because you're an idiot < 1257608511 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ranking invalid arguments is so reasonable, I tell you. < 1257608522 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm no idiot! I am, however, stupid. < 1257608545 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes you are an idiot. as that quote proves. < 1257608629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your, uh, pa is an idiot. < 1257608737 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's almost more offensive than joking about my dead mother. mostly because i sometimes think so myself. < 1257608860 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i am insulted that you have still not recognized my use of a circular ad hominem < 1257609470 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops. < 1257609530 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: your non-existent long-lost sister is an idiot, then < 1257609557 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can agree with that. < 1257609600 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you sound so angry when you're not joking :D < 1257609633 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm grumpy today. < 1257609666 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, well, your non-existent long-lost sister's... face? < 1257609667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what? < 1257610977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Drawing a serifed m in 7x10 pixels is the hardest thing I've done all day. < 1257611693 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1257611764 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SERIFY DAT B*TCH < 1257612089 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :B*TCH? Srsly? < 1257612108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reason login(1) delays on an incorrect password is to prevent brute-forcing, right? < 1257612134 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :botch a batch of butch bitches < 1257612655 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was "butch" < 1257612965 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yeah I guess < 1257612978 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty stupid, since you can just spawn a bunch of login(1)s. < 1257613003 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or even detect the delay and go onto the next one (keeping the old process open in case it's just slow). < 1257613024 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a machine only has so many login processes around usually < 1257613071 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one for each virtual terminal I think, but not for xterms or anything < 1257613105 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if they keep getting killed to fast, init will stop producing them (in case they have neterd a loop of some kind) < 1257613112 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for about 5 mins usually < 1257613113 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That property is to prevent brute-forcing to people who have NO account, not to people who have an account and want root. < 1257613134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: How can you run a brute-forcing program from the login(1) prompt? < 1257613134 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ordinary users can't spawn a login < 1257613140 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :telnet < 1257613155 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1257613159 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You can detect the delay over telnet, too! < 1257613170 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And make a bunch of telnet connections. < 1257613187 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latter is easily prevented, the former is unhelpful. < 1257613206 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh. < 1257613212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems kinda pointless nowadays to me. < 1257613217 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nowadays it certainly is. < 1257613217 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially when we have SSH keys... < 1257613219 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's outdated. < 1257613223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thought so. < 1257613227 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's a product of past. < 1257613229 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess that's why you said telnet. < 1257613234 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1257613235 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I can probably remove it. >:) < 1257613245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :— I'm even trying to avoid PAM, not sure how that'll go < 1257613246 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sshd doesn't even spawn login anyway < 1257613270 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1257613277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It still delays on connect, though. < 1257613279 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm < 1257613281 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On invalid login. < 1257613287 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, that might just be because ssh is slow; < 1257613289 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*slow. < 1257613411 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sta.li/faq ;; What's this? Sanity? Astonishing. < 1257613442 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(http://github.com/dryfish/openbsd-pdksh sweeeeeet) < 1257613478 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although did they have to make it use autoconf? < 1257613588 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I hope automake defaulting it to GPLv3 is just a mistake... < 1257613989 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION likes the ldd exploit < 1257614013 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it portably allows arbitrary code execution. < 1257614016 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1257614100 0 :mad!n=madbrain@modemcable175.136-81-70.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1257614105 0 :mad!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :madbrain < 1257614145 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: yep < 1257614156 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's totally unintuitive, yet it's not a bug(!) < 1257614164 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's not a bug any more than static linking itself is a bug... < 1257614483 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION fiddles with ksh prompt < 1257614546 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it is a bug then it is a design-time bug < 1257614877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :precisely < 1257614898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PS1="\e[47;4;30m\$(pwd | sed 's@^$HOME@~@')$\e[m " seems to produce quite a pleasing prompt; makes underscores ugly, thouggh < 1257614900 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*though < 1257614920 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(underlined, light-grey backgrounded "~/foo$", then a space) < 1257615070 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PS1='\e[47m\e[m ' is nice too (light-grey tab-sized space, then a space) < 1257615094 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :means you have to look at the title bar to see where you are, though (assuming you've set that up) < 1257615679 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have looked at my ldd, and I find that it has a list of known loaders and calls them with --verify and the executable name before invoking the executable itself. I guess that checks that the executable's loader is a known-safe one first < 1257615718 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: does that propmt change when you change directories? < 1257615729 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, note the \ before $( < 1257615739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ksh expands the PS1 'fore printing. < 1257615766 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically I should have the horrible hack ksh uses to denote non-printing characters in there, but I'm lazy and it doesn't change much < 1257615774 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the prompt just disappears when the line scrolls to the right earlier) < 1257615786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in fact my `man ksh` doesn't mention it so maybe the openbsd version doesn't have it < 1257615798 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? ksh does some kind of scrolling prompt? < 1257615814 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash uses \[ and \] to denote zero-width parts of the prompt < 1257615826 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa[…], press a < 1257615838 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa < < 1257615851 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< meaning "yo, there's stuff to the left" < 1257615869 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat < 1257615876 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can caret (v. to manipulate a caret) to the left to see the earlier stuff < 1257615877 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bahs just uses multiple lines < 1257615878 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no marker if you do that) < 1257615883 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*bash < 1257615886 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, multiple lines is maybe a better solution < 1257615896 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially for pipelines < 1257615904 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but eh, it's easy to hit enter after | < 1257615939 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, preferably, notice you're writing an involved shell command and spawn an rc :-P < 1257616014 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION does `sudo chsh` by mistake so often < 1257616019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it feels like it should require root! < 1257616029 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it prompts for a password, which makes my sudo-sense tingle < 1257616083 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*though (not thouggh; ha, good luck finding the line I typoed this in) < 1257616203 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is irritated that when invoking root-requiring things from the GUI, he is prompted for the root password < 1257616234 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no root password; it should spot that and try a GUI sudo instead! < 1257616317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu does :-P < 1257616334 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: symlink su to a shell script calling sudo ;-) < 1257616338 0 :sharada!n=somebody@unaffiliated/fax JOIN :#esoteric < 1257616343 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why that hasn't got upstream < 1257616387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, make it `sudo realsu $*` < 1257616401 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or whatever < 1257616405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :root doesn't need to give passwords to su, so... voila! < 1257616422 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't fix GUI sus, but you could just do something similar there. < 1257616436 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make gksu do gksudo realsu $*, etc. < 1257616451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, I'm helpful, me. < 1257616463 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1257616490 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should do it and test it so I can go yay, I'm clever. < 1257616571 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cba < 1257616610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1257616619 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly the only rational course of action is to kill myself. < 1257616769 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1257616808 0 :sharada!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :fax < 1257616899 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION listens to the excellent Undone, on the radio. < 1257617155 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Why do you say that he is a fundamentalist ? Do you mean that he is right ?" < 1257617550 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1257617625 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1257617644 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quote. < 1257617655 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but from where < 1257617774 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mailing list thread. Clearly the speaker is non-native (if the email header name "QUINTIN Guillaume" wasn't enough of a giveaway). < 1257617781 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the spaces before question marks. < 1257617783 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, it's amusing. < 1257617809 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems an easy mistake to make: "fundamentalist" → "of the fundamentals". < 1257617835 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, it could also be that right ~ right-wing? < 1257617878 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In context, both previous and following, that seems unlikely. < 1257617888 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1257617894 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides, I think any non-native speaker, at least, would think right far more important a word than to abbreviate right-wing to it. < 1257617926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which means that the native speakers that abbreviate it put political alignment above facts! Or something.) < 1257617931 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i mean, they could be the same word in his native language, or he doesn't know that "wing" applies < 1257617989 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the names of the two oldest political parties in norway translate as simply "left" and "right"... < 1257618022 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that is true. < 1257618034 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But still, context seems to paint that as unlikely. You might be right though. < 1257618059 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :french uses "de gauche" and "de droite"... could happen < 1257618063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but would anyone making such a question really confuse fundamentalism and right-wing? < 1257618071 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it was just a theory (like evolution *ducks*) < 1257618076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make a connection of that type, I'd have to translate fundamentalist back to English as a non-native speaker < 1257618085 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would almost certainly reveal the true meaning to me, thus negating the question < 1257618112 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like it's a connection you could only make if you knew what fundamentalist means already < 1257618114 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: well, fundamentalism/evangelicals aren't common asides from in USA, so it's definitely possible that he'd confuse them < 1257618131 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fundamentalism is everywhere. Do you really think it only applies to religion? < 1257618142 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example norwegians (i.e. me) have a hard time remembering to use left-hand or right-hand in english, since that is a case where we just use the bare words < 1257618159 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok maybe not me nowadays, but once upon a time < 1257618164 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: My right is right, but my left is left. < 1257618174 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE POLITICAL AFFILIATION OF MY NORWEIGAN HANDS < 1257618179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*NORWEGIAN < 1257618187 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BETTER: < 1257618190 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Better: < 1257618195 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My left is right, but my right is left. < 1257618281 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: how you doing < 1257618286 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: totally total < 1257618289 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1257618291 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should have just said < 1257618292 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: totally < 1257618303 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1257618304 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: while we do use the word "fundamentalisme" in norwegian, i assume this is mainly caused by recent US influence < 1257618305 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i "see" < 1257618322 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fundamentalism doesn't just apply to religion dammit < 1257618327 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least in its current use < 1257618357 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: what i mean is we may not have used that word much before the USA recently started blasting it out everywhere < 1257618384 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1257618591 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1257618609 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with nntp you can access messages sent before you "subscribe" can't you? < 1257618612 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming the server keeps the < 1257618614 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*them < 1257618697 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit the last update of avg claimed to do some kind caching to avoid scanning every file every time, but it _still_ goes into the damn java runtime jars... which i recall from before is what takes about half the scanning time < 1257618702 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*kind of < 1257618722 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't protect viruses, because they don't protect me. < 1257618757 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irrefutable logicz < 1257618761 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had hoped for some major speedup :( < 1257618800 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1257618858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: pirate nod32 < 1257618862 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fast as a speeding virus scanner < 1257618866 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: sure you can < 1257618879 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1257618884 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to the nntp) < 1257618910 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yeah, messages should be accessible < 1257618927 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the nntp request for subscribing anyway? < 1257618928 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :""Fundamentalism is everywhere. Do you really think it only applies to religion?"" ah, ok, then we're talking about 2 different things: "fundamentalists" as general people that take temselves way too seriously (incl. communists,etc..) and the specific "born-again" protestant movement < 1257618942 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: dunno if it even has one < 1257618958 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain: yeah; the second is the formal definition but it's fine, imo, to use it for the former < 1257618961 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if it didn't have one, how would your question make sense? < 1257618976 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain: when used in norway i would say > 50% of the time it refers to islamists < 1257618977 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: well, exactly < 1257618981 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use Giganews and it has plenty of coverage back to the early 90s at least < 1257618986 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: islamists? you mean muslims. < 1257619017 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, you mean fundamentalist muslims... < 1257619017 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: islamist ~~ rabid fundamentalist muslim < 1257619018 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that word isn't actually, you know, real < 1257619020 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: he's referring to fundamentalist islamists < 1257619035 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf who created this word and didn't tell me about it < 1257619041 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it's how the word islamist is used in norwegian afaik < 1257619049 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to exist. < 1257619054 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and islamism as a word is afaik real at least in french and also used all the time < 1257619084 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :muslim = religion; islamism = political movement < 1257619085 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it's what people use when they are pretending not to be against islam itself ;) < 1257619095 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1257619119 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain: the religion is definitely not called muslim, it's called islam < 1257619123 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and its adherents are muslims < 1257619137 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1257619168 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's islam vs islamism < 1257619186 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pesky arab grammar, those are the same root... < 1257619208 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha true < 1257619212 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how deep! indeed insanity does have the same root as religion < 1257619223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1257619225 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain: i was refering to muslim as well there < 1257619225 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ditto shit and science, IIRC < 1257619242 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: what, like, really? the words? < 1257619252 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1257619258 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oearjan: true, islam and muslim are both "SLM" < 1257619258 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1257619276 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shitty Lactating M— no, this acronym isn't working. < 1257619309 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain: why isn't muslim mslm? < 1257619315 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which in those languages mean they're the same root... of course, that gets lost in loaning and they become two different morphemes < 1257619328 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's M+SLM yes < 1257619337 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's derived < 1257619344 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you actually know something, i thought you just meant they have those consonants < 1257619356 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadism, Loving, Masochism < 1257619365 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(was just making sure i didn't imagine the m, basically) < 1257619387 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: arab languages use sets of 3 consonants as roots, and derive them by adding different patterns of vowels and extra consonants < 1257619450 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool. < 1257619464 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's only 17,576 valid roots in arabic < 1257619470 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously english is mostly concatenative+various irregularities all over the place so that mechanism is lost in loans < 1257619484 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WATCH OUT INDIANS! YER DERN ANTI-MERICAN LANGUAGE GONA COME TO AN END WHEN WE INVENT US SOME MORE WORDS! < 1257619519 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that's kinda like in chinese: chinese has only about 5000 morphemes < 1257619520 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: they have 26 consonants? < 1257619522 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, that's another one to my list of crimes: speaking English natively < 1257619530 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: oops :-D < 1257619538 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are combined into thousands of compound words < 1257619544 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: also i hate you < 1257619546 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why so < 1257619550 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1257619551 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RUINING MY JOKE < 1257619566 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay they have < 1257619577 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one two three four five six seven eight nine ten eleven twelve thirteen fourteen < 1257619581 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fifteen sixteen seventeen < 1257619588 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eighteen nineteen twenty twenty one twenty two twenty three < 1257619596 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :twenty four twenty five twenty six twenty seven < 1257619614 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY 7.62559758 * 10^12 ROOTS THEN < 1257619627 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are those all english numbers? < 1257619628 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO WE HAVE TO MAKE UP A FEW MORE WORDS < 1257619629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO WHAT?! < 1257619634 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arab is weird < 1257619640 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_language#Consonants < 1257619644 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell of a lot of consonants < 1257619663 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only two vowels too? < 1257619671 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 28, huh < 1257619671 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Arabic alphabet has 29 basic letters." < 1257619675 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :28 consonants? < 1257619678 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, must've misunderstood the table < 1257619683 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :27 i said? < 1257619685 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21952 < 1257619685 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it 28 < 1257619686 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two? i thought it had 3 which could be long or short... < 1257619689 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i count wrong < 1257619695 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a i u < 1257619698 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: argh i am so confused < 1257619703 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW MANY CONSONANTS DOES ARABIC HAVE < 1257619710 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain, ehird: i got 28 by a quick look, may be wrong. < 1257619722 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure what it means that there are two characters in each box < 1257619735 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, I swapped my ^ arguments kekekekekeke < 1257619740 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: one is ipa or english or w/e < 1257619741 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1257619745 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: the arabic alphabet is basically consonantal and vowels are an afterthought iiuc < 1257619747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway 21,952 then < 1257619748 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO LIMITED < 1257619768 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: langton's ant touches an infinite number of squares with any possible initial configuration, has this already been ruined for you? < 1257619809 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure you love trying to solve my homework (this one i've solved) < 1257619822 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruined how < 1257619831 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seen/found proof < 1257619838 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat. < 1257619839 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :english has, uhm, 24 consonants by comparison, not many less < 1257619847 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i'm not sure i may have seen it mentioned < 1257619849 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it's a problem, you have to prove that < 1257619852 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*, i < 1257619854 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :homework??? where?? < 1257619854 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is it ruining < 1257619855 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1257619872 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :english has many more vowels though :D < 1257619874 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you know the solution, there's nothing to solve < 1257619877 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION convinced his dad that an Active Worlds subscription will help him with classes < 1257619879 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fax: langton's ant < 1257619891 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: how? < 1257619914 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, bots for AW can be written in C or C++, and I'm taking a C++ class, so.. < 1257619928 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you make bots? < 1257619940 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Congratulations! You are either the best convincer ever or your dad is the most convincable ever. < 1257619959 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, planning to < 1257619962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(BETTER THAN CONGRATULATIONS: Spatulations) < 1257619979 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, probably the latter < 1257619993 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, kind of < 1257620005 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He didn't really ask questions >.> < 1257620022 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Orrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr he just doesn't really care all that much < 1257620032 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: btw all those letters in the [[WP:Arabic alphabet]] table are consonants, it's just some double occasionally as vowels < 1257620044 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ish < 1257620094 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, arabic doesn't put much emphasis on vowels < 1257620140 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the number of possible vowel patterns is limited, so if you add enough extra information in the writing, they become unambiguous < 1257620149 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that also works in hebrew < 1257620191 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear Firefox: Please stop randomly freezing on me. Love, Sgeo < 1257620199 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a language that's all vowels would be fun < 1257620206 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yes, I know that technically nothing (or at least, very little) a computer does is random) < 1257620207 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Stop using Firefox. —ehird < 1257620246 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: dunno if that's plausible, although you can definitely have a language with lots of vowels and not so many consonants for instance < 1257620264 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole fun is that it's all vowels < 1257620270 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it sounds like you're just doing baby-style vocalisations! < 1257620335 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ah, but then /i,u/ would turn into /j,w/, then probably /J\,b/ and eventually /t~k p/ < 1257620352 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to the speed at which you'd have to talk < 1257620354 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, forbid any such pesky combinations then. < 1257620391 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty much impossible, the vowel inventory would expand until one vowel changes into /i/ and one into /u/ < 1257620466 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1257620472 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, once /i,u/ turned into consonants, then /e,o/ would raise to /i,u/ and then in turn become consonants too < 1257620474 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, why would you have to talk quickly? < 1257620485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just take it sloooooooowly. ooooooooooooooooooooooy. < 1257620489 0 :boily!n=boily@dsl-173-206-14-197.tor.primus.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1257620494 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION boils boily < 1257620497 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you're boilier. < 1257620497 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the less possible different syllables you have, the faster you have to speak < 1257620514 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain: UNLESS YOU'RE RETARDED. < 1257620520 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just sayin' < 1257620536 0 :boily!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I wonder what is my boiling point? < 1257620536 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda like spanish, the have less possible vowels etc... so they speak twice as fast to compensate :D < 1257620540 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, that killed the conversation < 1257620547 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it works because they have less slow sounds < 1257620553 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bad timing for me to say that huh < 1257620563 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they have less slow sounds bevause they have less possible vowels etc.. :D < 1257620571 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Evidently <= room temperature, if you're boily now. < 1257620585 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could be in some sort of heating contraption though, technically. < 1257620594 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My calculation is that you have to have about 50bits per second < 1257620599 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where do you get your durable keyboards and mice?! < 1257620620 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain: you're slowist. < 1257620632 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have some languages with huge syllables full of information (say, 10 bits) that go slower (like 5 syllables/s) < 1257620635 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently swedes talk much slower than danes, i seem to recall reading recently. i don't think the phoneme set sizes are that different... < 1257620650 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although pronunciation certainly is < 1257620680 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inversely you have languages with small syllables (like ~6bit in japanese) but they can go faster since all the syllables are simple (say, 8 syllables/s) < 1257620734 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain: optimising a language for efficient bit transfer would be fun < 1257620741 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it would be hard to have a vowel set that is large enough while also being fast, since the faster the vowel, the less time you have to glide to the next one so the more approximative they become < 1257620751 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, you can talk quickly (thus feeling like you're communicating faster) but with enough bits to be efficient < 1257620754 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yes :D < 1257620760 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :voila, everyone feels like they're talking really quickly < 1257620771 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they are, just not by that much < 1257620816 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So with vowels only, suppose you'd have to reach 64 syllables at least, can you do that? :D < 1257620863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but oklopol can. < 1257620882 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I CAN! < 1257620898 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :64 syllables what < 1257620918 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :including diphthongs and triphthongs? < 1257620921 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~60 different possible syllables < 1257620940 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but that's dangerous, basically you're putting in /j,w/ with those :D < 1257620985 0 :boily!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't forget reversed "h" < 1257620987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain: do you mean you'd have to speak @ 64 syllables/s? < 1257620992 0 :boily!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION consults his sampa table... < 1257620996 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you want 64 pure vowels? i vaguely recall there's some south-east asian language which comes close < 1257621005 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus you'd have syllable boundary problems probably... still better than a fully pure vowel system < 1257621018 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :STOP CORRUPTING THIS FOLLY'S PURITY < 1257621037 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, no, it could have diphthongs I guess :D < 1257621072 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh tones could help < 1257621081 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: no, not speak @ 64 syllable/s, you have to have at least 64 different possible syllables in your language < 1257621087 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1257621091 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: true! < 1257621106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain: how fast would you have to speak then for 50 b/s? < 1257621108 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, wait < 1257621115 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on how fast you can speak a syllable ofc < 1257621130 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1257621131 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language doesn't have 64 syllables? < 1257621132 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since that means 1 syllable = 6 bits < 1257621133 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, suppose you have 8 pure vowels only, that's 3 bits, so you'd have to speak at about 17 syll/s < 1257621138 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: one only using vowels < 1257621140 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1257621147 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain: oklopol can do that! < 1257621149 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*do that < 1257621150 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(probably) < 1257621166 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with 3 finnish vowels, 512 syllables < 1257621202 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: hmm... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirah%C3%A3_language might have less than 64, or more... < 1257621218 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: rotokas < 1257621244 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 consonants and 5 vowels < 1257621247 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yes, Pirahã... < 1257621255 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pirahã can be whistled, hummed, or encoded in music. <<< are you sure it's even a well-defined question? < 1257621259 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait < 1257621267 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and only one vowel per syllable? < 1257621271 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not pure cv, as the final s shows < 1257621281 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so probably won't work < 1257621290 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: how many syllables of pure vowels can you speak per second < 1257621291 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's <= 70 < 1257621292 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rotokas afaik has many non CV syllables too < 1257621321 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain: you're a linguist like augur? < 1257621329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :conlanger i think < 1257621334 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not professionally < 1257621335 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur is too, admittedly < 1257621337 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: 8 isn't too hard < 1257621344 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1257621346 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more like a nerdy hobby to me :D < 1257621348 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain: does student count as professional, if not augur isn't either :P < 1257621350 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's 8 vowels < 1257621352 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... < 1257621362 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain: you're not boring like augur, thankfully! < 1257621363 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i kinda put them in separate syllables if i just talk in vowels < 1257621366 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, don't tell augur i said t haht < 1257621368 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that < 1257621392 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: i'm sure augur doesn't know his linguism bored you < 1257621394 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*bores < 1257621422 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i need to leave irc now, remember to love each other like i do < 1257621423 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1257621452 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a finn loving? ha! < 1257621560 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the finns cannot love it would mess up the sauna culture < 1257621629 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about making a language with only 10 consonants and no consonant-vowel-consonant syllables but 5000+ syllables? :D < 1257621638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cries. my poor pixel font is being ruined by the impossibility of "m"! < 1257621659 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :m? < 1257621668 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: what is your char size? < 1257621669 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah for m you have to compromise < 1257621674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you try making an m glyph with serifs that fits in 7x10 < 1257621679 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(8x12; rest of pixels used for spacing) < 1257621689 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most fonts I've seen make the "m" with a only 1 pixel wide bar < 1257621690 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially one that fits in with my other characters... < 1257621696 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this includes fixedsys < 1257621704 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain: yes, my non-bold chars don't have such doubled d lines < 1257621706 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my bold chars do though < 1257621710 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll do bold m and debold it < 1257621719 0 :Rugxulo!n=user@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1257621739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k was a challenge too but i'm semi-satisfied with what i have < 1257621740 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: http://elinux.org/Kernel_Size_Tuning_Guide < 1257621745 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, fixedsys m is like: < 1257621754 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: why thank you! < 1257621760 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :###### < 1257621761 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :## # ## < 1257621762 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :## # ## < 1257621763 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try 1110100 0101010 ... 0101011 < 1257621763 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :## # ## < 1257621768 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: especially the list of config options < 1257621784 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: is each block vertical or horizontal < 1257621786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess vertical < 1257621793 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, no < 1257621794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1257621799 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(repeat the middle bit) < 1257621801 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, unrelated, but I did hack that tiny DOS Befunge93 interpreter again, it's now 1024 bytes w/ simple LFN and 386 check (so it won't crash on older cpus) < 1257621804 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: also you can use the top contour of the letter as a cue < 1257621837 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: oh that's good < 1257621837 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: or use the "empty row" at the right of the char, making it 8 wide instead of 7 < 1257621845 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that 1 at the very end makes it look good < 1257621857 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not fat at all like my other characters, but I have to compromise for m, it seems < 1257621858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1257621861 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain: yes, I'm considering that too < 1257621871 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: uh, ok < 1257621872 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain: but it'd make the neighbouring character bash right into it < 1257621874 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you said you wanted serigs < 1257621886 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: yeah, but I couldn't get them looking good < 1257621900 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know how it would look, since I just typed it in < 1257621913 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you can reduce the spaces between the lines so that they touch, it should be readable still since you'll recognize it by density instead of by line configuration < 1257621962 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :another avenue to explore might be making the middle line shorter < 1257621965 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to look okay < 1257621988 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really like most of this font so far... < 1257622010 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain: making the lines touch would look very unlike the other characters; they're very thin < 1257622044 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're making it only 1 line thick? < 1257622059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, apart from the bold characters < 1257622064 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the look so far is very distinctive < 1257622067 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then m should not be a problem! < 1257622078 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, but I need to make it fit — and the other characters look fit < 1257622080 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus, serifs < 1257622086 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have a very good candidate, though! < 1257622095 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, without bold you have ample space for that < 1257622106 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#..#..# < 1257622110 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ssh < 1257622113 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop sending for a sec < 1257622113 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shh < 1257622117 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ < 1257622118 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :### # < 1257622118 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : # # # < 1257622118 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : # # # < 1257622119 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : # # # < 1257622119 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : # # # < 1257622120 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :### ### < 1257622122 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :]] < 1257622124 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks pretty good < 1257622128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think I should reduce those serifs though < 1257622148 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, but you can also let the serif go into the empty line! < 1257622167 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but none of my other characters do that; and the spacing is nice — it fits with the outlines; the characters breath a lot < 1257622169 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so to speak < 1257622208 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain: you can continue sending that char you were sending now < 1257622267 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about < 1257622267 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# # ## < 1257622267 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :## # # < 1257622267 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# # # < 1257622267 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# # # < 1257622268 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# # ## < 1257622290 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the assymetry on row 2 isn't very nice < 1257622309 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude, this is serif country < 1257622314 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we hate symmetry :P < 1257622338 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked your one < 1257622339 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain: lemme copy that into my image editor < 1257622343 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION finds compression funny yet weird ... 7za a -mx9 produces 1025-byte file from a 1024-byte .COM while aPACK -x produces 1023 bytes < 1257622354 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain: btw, my letters are mostly 6px high < 1257622357 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll adjust for that < 1257622362 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they aren't designed to work on things that small < 1257622372 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously ;-) < 1257622377 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: ahh, but the serifs make my font what it is < 1257622377 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also if you use half-solid pixels you can use to anti-alias the shape, too < 1257622382 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be bland otherwise < 1257622386 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain: half-solid? < 1257622393 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although 624 -s gets 1016 < 1257622405 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, like, say, white-gray-black instead of just white-black < 1257622429 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1257622433 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain: that m you showed has a problem many of my ms have had — a little dirt-looking artifact when zoomed out onn a high-res screen < 1257622442 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain: also, naw, don't have nothin' like that < 1257622456 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant "Rugxulo: the compression programs aren't designed to work on anything that small" < 1257622461 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah :D < 1257622466 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :another option might be dropping serifs on m < 1257622471 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, nice ambiguity < 1257622489 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain: considered that; I definitely don't think a serif on the middle line is practical < 1257622518 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION considers something; tries it < 1257622530 0 :boily!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1257622572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1257622578 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna try a bold m and debold it < 1257622582 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for all the suggestions < 1257622584 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really helps < 1257622597 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, haven't done a bold l yet < 1257622598 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in really tiny typefacse, you get M being things like 111 111 101, and it can work < 1257622619 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: yeah, I did something similar with my 4x3 typeface (with spacing 5x4) < 1257622620 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a 1-bit font? < 1257622623 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1257622630 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rfk86 m is "110 111 101"; n is "110 101 101". < 1257622635 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need sub-pixel rendering! < 1257622640 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like what Apple do < 1257622662 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ouch 1-pixel difference < 1257622662 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: http://typophile.com/node/61920 :-) < 1257622687 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they tend to look a bit rainbowy though < 1257622689 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as interesting for the font as it is for gawping at StoneCypher's serious mental illness) < 1257622713 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, Apple aren't the first nor last to do subpixel font rendering < 1257622717 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even Microsoft do it (ClearType) < 1257622724 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's the default in Ubuntu < 1257622734 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: Well... if you have ff3.5 or something that does font-embedding like that (and scripts on), you can see it "live" at http://zem.fi/rfk86/ [not a shameless plug at all] -- it's not so bad. And actually both had one "101" more, since it's 6x4-sized cells. < 1257622808 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: looks like Linux 2.4 got updated today (2.4.37.7) < 1257622837 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION realises he fucked up a character width in the bold font < 1257622838 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f u c k < 1257622855 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, the VGA font has serifs only on some letters < 1257622856 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for unlawful carnal knowledge < 1257622863 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, I can sort it out later < 1257622882 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i enter them as bit arrays :-) < 1257622917 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it meant for a terminal? < 1257622945 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mainly for English text, although I like it so much that I've considered using it for a terminal. < 1257622954 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly monospaced is kinda crap for English. < 1257622965 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :linux-2.4.37.7.tar.bz2 -- 29.7 MB (ouch) < 1257622981 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, a whole 30 MiB? I have to buy a new drive, man. < 1257622983 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd go for a font with 2 pixel wide lines for terminal though < 1257622985 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I'm from 1980, dude. < 1257622988 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is why I'm saying man, dude. < 1257622996 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ie make bold the default < 1257622997 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain: Then use the bold variant. < 1257623006 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But in the Unix world we don't do that crap. :D < 1257623027 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :linux-2.4.0.tar.bz2 18.9 MB 1/3/01 6:00:00 PM < 1257623027 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1257623053 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it basically doubled in size < 1257623088 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, Rugxulo, technology is going down the drain, 10.8 MiB increase over eight years is basically the downfall of humanity, people who don't support the 286 are incompetent. < 1257623094 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not as bad as XP (1.5 GB) to Vista (16 GB) < 1257623095 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please stop complaining about it. < 1257623134 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it wasn't an epidemic, I wouldn't care < 1257623145 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but when everything (Python, Perl, etc.) all bloats up ad nauseum, it gets annoying < 1257623146 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you *have* to complain, you should compare compiled images containing a mostly-identical set of compiled-in drivers; it's not like the source size is so terribly important. < 1257623162 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not only is the kernel getting bigger and bigger (including all the modules it uses) but they took years to add support for $obscure_hardware_that_noone_uses! < 1257623167 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cough* < 1257623182 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : IT INCREASES SIZE? Strip it out strip it out! < 1257623185 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAYS PASS < 1257623196 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Why doesn't Linux boot on my IBM PC after updating? < 1257623200 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : sigh... < 1257623214 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION found TinyPython, wonder if it's any good ... < 1257623248 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've found a sudden affinity for the #esoteric-should-be-about-esolangs-only folks. I announce the new creation of ##bloat-epidemic. < 1257623265 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gogogogogo < 1257623284 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good no bloat, only one user :-) < 1257623286 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but which would have the ColorForth discussion in it?> < 1257623293 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#forth probably < 1257623303 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: IT WILL NEVER BE BLOATED WITH MORE PEOPLE < 1257623305 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank god < 1257623325 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woot, optimal size now ;-) < 1257623345 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: you know what ColorForth is, right? < 1257623345 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, making a hugely parallel cpu requires solving a few data routing problems: < 1257623355 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I) Routing problem (easy) < 1257623358 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Y) Routing problem (easy) < 1257623376 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(reverse Y) Routing problem (harder) < 1257623387 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(feedback) Routing problem (even harder) < 1257623415 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1257623418 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain: http://www.longnow.org/essays/richard-feynman-connection-machine/ < 1257623421 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Memory address interference problem (even harder) < 1257623427 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feynman solved 'em :-P < 1257623466 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC, I've heard (and seen) a few websites on ColorForth, never used it personally though < 1257623475 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I'm having a nostalgia trip for OS 9 and older atm < 1257623479 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hypercard yay! < 1257623482 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: k. < 1257623506 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :post-sys7 sucks hugely, post-sys6 sucks quite a bit < 1257623509 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh I found something on called "adobe golive 4.0.1" on my ibook. Didn't remember that. < 1257623522 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, I just find it annoying that Linux now requires more RAM than Win95 did HD space :-/ < 1257623522 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :os 9 sucks in a colossal manner unsurpassed by any other OS, even Windows < 1257623531 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doubt it < 1257623554 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain: care to give me fixedsys's m? < 1257623557 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fixedsys' < 1257623615 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :###### < 1257623617 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :## # ## < 1257623619 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :## # ## < 1257623621 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :## # ## < 1257623622 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :## # ## < 1257623625 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :## ## < 1257623632 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that's simple :P < 1257623658 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixedsys has 2-px wide vertical lines < 1257623743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's such a shame that optical illusion-style tricks don't really work at 7x10. < 1257623752 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At 4x3 I even faked the slant on the n... < 1257623971 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tweaks bold c and e and maybe d and g to make the metrics more similar to bold a (and thus more similar to roman a, c, d, e and g) < 1257624006 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think ehird's going to kill someone http://www.turtleflight.com/mbh/behavior_table.gif < 1257624019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo the great repeater. < 1257624034 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I have both PPC and 68k emulated here :) < 1257624036 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last time, when I posted that, you weren't here, iirc < 1257624042 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one is 7.5.5 the other being 9.0.4 < 1257624043 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I don't care. < 1257624045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I logread. < 1257624055 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tweaking my characters feels so wrong; destroying my wonderful babies! < 1257624071 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, what is that supposed to be? < 1257624080 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you logread, I can't see your reaction < 1257624089 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, Magsbot behavior table < 1257624091 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1257624112 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magsbot: http://www.turtleflight.com/magine/mb.html < 1257624123 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You can see my reaction if you logread too. < 1257624150 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, what day? < 1257624177 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOund it < 1257624189 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My tweaked characters are slightly uglier but more consistent :( < 1257624210 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there we go. < 1257624211 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same prettiness now, exce— < 1257624218 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that must be why I tweaked them. < 1257624277 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are more consistent, granted; but they do not look fat any more. < 1257624291 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The metrics are now matched, but the perceived metrics are ruined. < 1257624345 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe if I put them back, and tweak the a instead... < 1257624375 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a bit strange is that in this gnome-screensaver, there's a "leave a message" option; the message is then shown when the actual user unlocks the screen. The strangeness is in that the dialog showing the message has no special labels, just the message you leave; and it has both "Cancel" and "OK" buttons in it. < 1257624386 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.forbes.com/2009/11/02/toxic-cities-pollution-lifestyle-real-estate-toxic-cities.html hm, maybe I shouldn't go to Pycon :/ < 1257624447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, everyone in the cities listed there die days after arriving. < 1257624449 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I left some sort of "aaaggagagah zombies!" message on ineiros' laptop the other day, and it was a bit confusing to see a mostly unlabeled "zombies! ok or cancel?" popup as a result. < 1257624464 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Offensive, less sarcastic response: Translation: Hurrrrrrrrrr) < 1257624473 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: :D < 1257624493 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which did you click, be ehonest < 1257624499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*be honest < 1257624524 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was him doing the screen-unlocking (and clicking), but I think it was "OK". < 1257624548 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMBIES ARE NOT OK < 1257624600 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magnatune's end-of-track ads ruin Riding the Faders :( < 1257624609 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I think he's a zombie sympathizer. < 1257624610 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're OK if cooked well and served on toast with saurkraut and Russian dressing. < 1257624653 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funny < 1257624654 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All these tracks are supposed to be played without interuption < 1257624655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is your mom < 1257624663 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was at Gregor < 1257624667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DO NOT GET OFFENDED SGEO :P < 1257624684 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although Sgeo's mom DOES ruin Riding the Faders. < 1257624695 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: See, here's a publicly available picture of him: http://irc-galleria.net/user/ineiros/picture/58380030 < 1257624701 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Sgeo's mom is also supposed to be played without interruption. < 1257624711 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHE IS ALSO DEAD DID I MENTION < 1257624718 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You must now feel bad like I felt bad. < 1257624727 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I did not feel bad for oerjan because nobody cares about oerjan.) < 1257624736 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((JOKE OKAY JOKE)) < 1257624769 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: he looks ambiguously gendered < 1257624770 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1257624774 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1257624875 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Well, so's you! < 1257624992 0 :fungot!n=fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1257625015 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def source ul (http://git.zem.fi/fungot/blob/HEAD:/fungot.b98)S < 1257625016 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined. < 1257625018 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^save < 1257625018 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1257625153 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1257625376 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1257625410 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION decides to go back to n later < 1257625448 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's such an addictive game < 1257625459 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What game? < 1257625461 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :har har har < 1257625462 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :N < 1257625463 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n < 1257625465 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1257625482 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit, someone link me to that unapproved-of swf'd N < 1257625493 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...you mean that's not the official N game? < 1257625495 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :need me some ninja-tappin' action ILLICITLY IN MY BROWSER < 1257625499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it's identical < 1257625501 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :extracted from the .exe thingy < 1257625523 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that the .swf ... I didn't realize that it was intended to be distributed as a .exe < 1257625557 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me guess, I've shattered your infinite nostalgia and now your mind is blown in an incredibly profound way. < 1257625570 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have N related nostalgia < 1257625577 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow < 1257625666 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain: what do you think of my lowercase k, by the way? I think I did quite well < 1257625666 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :## < 1257625667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : # < 1257625667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : # < 1257625667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : # ## < 1257625668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : # # < 1257625669 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : # # < 1257625671 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : # # < 1257625673 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ## # < 1257625675 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : # # < 1257625677 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :### ## < 1257625692 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite big < 1257625692 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah looks good < 1257625703 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my bold uppercase k is a bit more iffy, though < 1257625724 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :### < 1257625724 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ## < 1257625725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ## < 1257625725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ## < 1257625725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ## ### < 1257625726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ## ## < 1257625726 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : #### < 1257625728 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ##### < 1257625730 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ## ## < 1257625732 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :### ### < 1257625749 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically, the lower bit looks like it's curved < 1257625750 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reverse serif looks weird < 1257625773 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should make the serif go into the "forbidden area" instead < 1257625791 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's forbidden for a reason! :P < 1257625796 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't really look weird zoomed out tbh < 1257625801 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a bit curvaceous < 1257625816 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it'll connect a bit with the next letter, but that's ok actually < 1257625828 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I'll consider it < 1257625841 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 pixel is ok < 1257625861 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what doesn't work is when you have a whole line that connects :) < 1257625921 0 :zzo38!n=zzo38@h24-207-48-53.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1257625930 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my g having no serif looks weird next to my p < 1257625931 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1257625941 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also wiider by one pixel in the maain area bit < 1257625941 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1257625941 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you going to use these letters on? < 1257625951 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how abot replacing rows 8 and 9 with 0111100 0110110 ? < 1257625956 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a little pixel font at the best size (in my opinion) for English text! < 1257625960 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: in which letter? < 1257625965 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bold k? < 1257625965 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bold k < 1257625979 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would look less squashed < 1257626026 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the lack of serifs makes it look very weird < 1257626043 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1257626054 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tat keeps the serifs < 1257626072 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, I'm not seeing it here < 1257626077 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I drew it wrong; make a .png? < 1257626122 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, I think I see what you mean < 1257626135 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, not sure < 1257626136 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks jagged < 1257626143 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and doesn't fit with the other chars. < 1257626233 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it is ok for serifs to connect with other letters, because they are intended to keep the eye on the row < 1257626276 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just using them for flavour ;-) < 1257626284 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*:-P < 1257626286 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate ;-) < 1257626290 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think it'll work there < 1257626291 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nope < 1257626297 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just looks shiteating and/or suggestive like always < 1257626386 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :know what'll be horrific? < 1257626387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :italics < 1257626439 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :italics you could do by using the righmost row as spacing on the bottom, but the leftmost one on the top < 1257626455 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1257626489 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :onto r < 1257626580 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my r seems a bit crooked at the end! oh well, I can fix it later < 1257626641 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*gulp* < 1257626641 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1257626739 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was... worryingly easy. < 1257626811 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :computers must really infuriate typesetters in some ways. Now everyone thinks that slanted is the same as italic < 1257626824 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1257626838 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thankfully no systems nowadays ship with commonly-used fonts without proper italics. < 1257627044 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some guy thinks he's going to start a company that.. resells publishing from pfmpricing.com or something. I basically told him that I'll help him set up the sample site, but I'm not putting any money, or much time, into what I feel is a scam < 1257627074 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: offering help to people he thinks are scammers and then proceeding to tell us all about how he's not going to really try hard since 2009. < 1257627173 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think this person is a scammer, just an idiot. It's pfm pricing's services that make me think "scam" < 1257627245 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION decides to go onto italics < 1257627266 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: So why not tell him he's an idiot and... not help? < 1257627283 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain: what did you say about italic spacing? < 1257627311 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's very little effort to "help" in the way that I offered? < 1257627331 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do anything for him? < 1257627337 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: So helping an idiot in a scam-related activity is fine as long as you (a) don't do much work and (b) tell us all about it? < 1257627341 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dude, get a blog. < 1257627401 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's either I help him, or he pays $500 for the company to set something up.. although in the latter case, I suspect they'd tell him he misunderstands everything < 1257627447 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helping an idiot save $500 to set up an idiotic scheme related to a scam? And thus, in your opinion, preventing an opportunity that might make him stop? < 1257627464 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your logic keeps getting more and more robust! Wait, no, the other thing. Flimsy. < 1257627507 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At any rate, I seem to have lost contact with him, so it may be a moot point < 1257627552 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bad thing about all this is, I was talking to him at the same time someone online was telling me about a project I support, so now my feelings about this guy have partially transferred over to the thing I support :/ < 1257627576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have serious issues. < 1257627614 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the curse of indisciminant associative memory < 1257627625 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should see what I have for some of the meeting roms in my office < 1257627627 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: You too. < 1257627658 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's mostly a case of remembering the one every time the other is experienced < 1257627725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION attempts to draw an italic glyph, fails horribly < 1257627914 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/dnd/raw_transcripts/Vyb_back_story.txt Now, if some people are more on than yesterday (when there was 8 hours with only join/quit), can you tell me if it is good, or if I missed anything? < 1257627951 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The universe didn't exist ten thousand years ago, and there's only one God. Why do you have Christians? < 1257627958 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(↑ Joke.) < 1257627983 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a Forgotten Realms campaign setting for D&D game < 1257628057 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't play D&D, but would somewhat like to get started < 1257628064 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has GMed Paranoia < 1257628101 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1257628115 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I played it, I was.. not that good < 1257628132 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION put himself in danger to save another troubleshooter >.> < 1257628133 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is 3.5 edition, which I would recommend < 1257628166 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can give some hints on 3.5 edition if you would like it too, because I played it and am good at defensive play in D&D < 1257628182 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/PgUuU.jpg What's wrong with this picture? Answer via /msg. < 1257628250 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see what's wrong < 1257628258 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see what's wrong immediately < 1257628261 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ditto < 1257628282 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the newspaper pose is a more subtle way to show that < 1257628301 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah, you're all too details-oriented. :P < 1257628318 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ooh, ooh ooh, let me try testing detail orientation < 1257628322 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION finds the video < 1257628457 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :avoid spoilers until you are done watching: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voAntzB7EwE < 1257628491 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1257628493 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, ehird's picture has a seriously SBHJ level of jpeg artefacts) < 1257628502 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you sent text messages by telephone by morse-code? < 1257628513 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC, seen it < 1257628516 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1257628526 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got it from Phil Platt I think < 1257628532 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Plait < 1257628536 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I haven't found the issue with ehird's picture yet :/ < 1257628543 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody tell him < 1257628544 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: depends on the phone < 1257628551 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I gave up < 1257628580 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: if it's a pocket computer, you can just download a morse-to-sms app < 1257628611 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ur unf fvk qvtvgf ba rnpu unaq < 1257628628 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION searches for a trackball < 1257628634 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: i said no telling < 1257628636 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, I wonder if you can tell me a proper answer for the Vyb_back_story question, like, do you like this?, and, did I forget anything?, and, is it good?, and, etc.? < 1257628643 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC, um, no < 1257628646 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION decodes it < 1257628661 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that < 1257628661 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how to assess campign settings < 1257628667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't even notice that < 1257628690 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :odd < 1257628731 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: I meant, like, if you have no keyboard and are sending from a standard telephone, or, if you do the reverse, SMS text -> landline. First it should check for fax and TTY, and then, send to voice by morse code, text-to-speech, or spell out, or numeric, etc, depending on some options < 1257628738 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr, why aren't there more mice/trackballs with real third buttons as well as mousewheels < 1257628752 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, so either SimonRC didn't get it either, or he was messing with me < 1257628760 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latter < 1257628770 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1257628771 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Former, I guess < 1257628786 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I didi spot something odd < 1257628804 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/msg it < 1257628812 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The file is my character's background story text, in case you forgot or didn't know.. < 1257628829 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I mean I did spot something odd that I then spelt out in rot-13 on the channel < 1257628835 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1257628838 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's not what i meant < 1257629003 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: noticed none < 1257629007 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't see why i should've < 1257629049 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no need to notice stuff you're not explicitly asked to notice < 1257629091 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it can be helpful < 1257629119 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, except when watching a magician < 1257629121 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example studies of "lucky" and "unlucky" people tend to show that the lucky ones notice irrelevant details more easily < 1257629144 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1257629169 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a pretty stereotypical scientist, i have no idea what's going on < 1257629183 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually < 1257629292 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, I have not heard of those studies. But it seems correct, a bit < 1257629354 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I'm just fucking with you, it's the fingers < 1257629373 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...oh < 1257629378 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the finger thing was trivial < 1257629387 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Quick! How much did I just shatter your world? < 1257629432 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TBH all it did to me was give me that slight sick feeling I get when people make me feel stupid in certain specific ways. < 1257629437 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: your rot13 is wrong < 1257629439 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beyond my self-irritation that I didn't include that as a possibility when talking to SimonRC, not much < 1257629453 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming i guessed the sentence correctly < 1257629460 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: You're crazy! Just like everyone else here. < 1257629464 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know rot-13 anymore, it seems < 1257629475 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it says "he has six digits on each hand" < 1257629483 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh digits, damn < 1257629494 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your MOTHER has etc. < 1257629497 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BRB < 1257629502 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgot there are synonyms < 1257629507 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr, why aren't there any three button mice with separate wheels < 1257629521 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have see them < 1257629535 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wheel in the middle of the buton is a bit inconvinient < 1257629543 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, you need the openoffice mouse < 1257629546 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why you put it at the very top < 1257629550 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with about a zillion buttons on it < 1257629551 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or to the side < 1257629570 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol@taht mouse < 1257629575 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfectly describes openoffice < 1257629576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that < 1257629578 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice joke < 1257629601 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Preferably it'd be a trackball for me < 1257629607 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, say, trackball on thumb, < 1257629616 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :three buttons on the next fingers < 1257629625 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a wheel below the third button, perhaps? < 1257629633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or perhaps between the first button and the wheel. < 1257629639 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This episode makes me recall the fucking Basil puzzle again, which made me lose my appetite a little for a day or two until I learnt to ignore it. Nevery again will I doubt plausibility when a character in some story become dangerously obsessed with something. < 1257629657 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait. OpenOfficeMouse ISN'T a joke? < 1257629657 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Never again < 1257629659 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa < 1257629666 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1257629672 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: See, no, you were right to be skeptic. < 1257629682 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: You just didn't account for the fact that you're crazy. :P < 1257629682 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :skeptic? when? < 1257629691 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Nevery again will I doubt plausibility when a character in some story become dangerously obsessed with something." < 1257629695 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1257629704 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if I can be that mad, they can be more than that mad < 1257629725 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the way that other people were finding it easy that I didn't like < 1257629736 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basil puzzle? < 1257629742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Terrible idea: Keyboardmouse. It's a keyboard you can move around! < 1257629749 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it tracks as a mouse. < 1257629918 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: might not exist now that nonlogic has gone down < 1257629932 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who created it BTW? < 1257629963 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'cause if that person didn't take backups of the website, they might want to contact me < 1257629991 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the website was world-readable on nonlogic, and I took a copy < 1257630001 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(then I told them it was world-readable) < 1257630017 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nonlogic went down, so I expect they might want a backup < 1257630049 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they didn't mak eone themselves < 1257630191 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rodger created it. < 1257630213 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/4OPEu.png I'd pay $100 for this trackball < 1257630224 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1257630240 0 :ehird!n=ehird@212.183.134.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1257630246 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he said, before crashing and burning. < 1257630300 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't amazon and he like had 100 differnt trackballs available? < 1257630310 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*and the like < 1257630318 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: *have *different < 1257630326 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1257630328 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, nope. Basically nobody makes trackballs any moree. < 1257630329 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*more < 1257630344 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the ones that exist are either pre-scroll wheel, or one-button-scroll-wheel-another-button. < 1257630353 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My design there is unique, as far as I can tell. < 1257630380 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get out a hacksaw and some glue? < 1257630381 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And far superior, too — you can use your... um... finger-right-of-thumb (I suck at the finger names) to scroll, which is much more comfortable than using your middle finger. < 1257630393 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :index finger < 1257630394 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fore < 1257630395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yet your other fingers can rest on the left and middle buttons. < 1257630405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can follow links and open new tabs in a web browser while scrolling and mousing. < 1257630406 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On Thursday, I was writing something and made up something a bit strange: Matrix accounting. < 1257630408 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or index < 1257630411 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I use my index finger on ordinary mice too < 1257630424 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More comfortable, almost as easy to access, much better middle button usage. < 1257630427 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOMEONE MAKE IT QUICK < 1257630428 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sounds like Matrix management < 1257630441 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Matrix accounting is accounting, but with matrix math. < 1257630448 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbh that design is inferior to what a real product would be; the trackball should be lower < 1257630448 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right also first finger < 1257630450 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But whatever, it's close enough. < 1257630455 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1257630461 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not very good for recording transactions, but everything else it does correctly < 1257630469 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what sense is it the first one < 1257630470 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FAWN OVER IT, PEOPLE < 1257630471 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the concepts "creative" and "accounting" should not go together < 1257630475 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, everything in normal accounting has conversions here < 1257630483 0 :Gregor!n=gregor@65.183.185.22 JOIN :#esoteric < 1257630488 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You would never actually use it for recording transactions and stuff. < 1257630494 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess fingers are zero-indexed. < 1257630498 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would it do then? < 1257630498 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: also, a hacksaw and glue probably wouldn't help. < 1257630509 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: are you the guy who nade the basil puzzle? < 1257630515 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1257630516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Rodger. < 1257630517 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I told you. < 1257630521 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At first I wrote it to figure out how to represent partnership agreements in a matrix. And then I realized that everything in accounting can be represented this way. < 1257630521 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, missed that < 1257630527 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or was it Roger < 1257630531 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rod?gerTheGreat < 1257630533 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rodger the great < 1257630552 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rodger the great edible mountain < 1257630565 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1257630572 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1257630582 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION WTFs at his um, trackpad < 1257630606 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I accidentally touch it, and it closes out of a tab < 1257630625 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, ehird reminded me that I'm hungry >.> < 1257630638 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm really hungry and really tired but too lazy to eat or sleep. < 1257630658 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and the trackball ought to include a foam rest fit to the trackball's shape. < 1257630684 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm so full it hurts, but i'm also very thirsty, which is not a good combination, and i'm also too lazy to sleep even though i'm tired < 1257630692 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i think i win < 1257630743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw darnit. < 1257630743 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that really a bad combination? < 1257630746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dog gammit < 1257630758 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: can't drink but have to? < 1257630760 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc < 1257630771 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, suppose < 1257630782 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: i can't drink. < 1257630790 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trick is not to eat that much < 1257630792 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, what a fun prompt < 1257630798 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :": prompt goes here; " < 1257630802 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: but it's all-you-can-eat < 1257630805 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can execute it and it's just a nop < 1257630808 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1257630810 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and man can i eat < 1257630814 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so copy-and-middle-click command repeating becomes easy < 1257630815 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION recalls people saying that human thirst is broken, but not sure what is meant by that < 1257630825 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also pizza, and that's why i'm so full. < 1257630847 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to literally live on pizza < 1257630859 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU MEAN YOU LIVED ON A GIANT... < 1257630861 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nm < 1257630867 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been there < 1257630890 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't easily eat pizza until I'm full. I lack the practice to absorb that much fat at once and find myself not wanting to eat more even though there is room. < 1257630892 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on my last year of high school i basically spent all my days sitting in my armchair eating pizza and watching tv series < 1257630905 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a ridiculously fast metabolism < 1257630909 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: pussy < 1257630916 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess my parent brought me up too healthily. < 1257630917 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so I am always so thin as to be considered dangerously underweight no matter how much I eat! < 1257630921 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*parents < 1257630921 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is, uh, fun < 1257630925 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you like being bothered all the time < 1257630940 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just doesn't have much of an urge to eat < 1257630947 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love eating. < 1257630958 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, food is awesome < 1257630963 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people always miss out part of the energy equation... < 1257630966 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i wouldn't go that far < 1257630969 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most food is crap < 1257630977 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: which part < 1257630983 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, then don't buy the crap food < 1257630985 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me rephrase that < 1257630987 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean < 1257630993 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :delta fat = energy in * digestive efficiency - energy expended < 1257630995 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain: i don't < 1257631021 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I often see people forgetting that differnet peopl absorb different amounts of energy from the same food < 1257631047 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, if you practice for an eating competition, your digention becomes faster therefore less effective < 1257631052 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ PS1='$(echo ~+)$ ' < 1257631052 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :feel free to say "wat" < 1257631054 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1257631055 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ PS1='$(echo ~+)$ ' < 1257631057 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/Users/ehird$ < 1257631064 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A ~ followed by a + or - is replaced by the value < 1257631064 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : of $PWD and $OLDPWD respectively." < 1257631148 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What software do most people use to make those videos that are just pictures and music? < 1257631164 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MS movie maker ;-) < 1257631175 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1257631176 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if that is a good suggestion or not < 1257631202 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making such an annoying video is a bad idea in itself. < 1257631218 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also: 20 minute tribute video consisting of pictures and music: Good idea or bad idea? < 1257631247 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on how well it is done and what it is about < 1257631263 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bad idea bad idea bad idea bad IDEA. < 1257631283 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's about a game called Mutation < 1257631309 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arrgh IRC is such a fucking time-sink < 1257631322 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the only reason it's 20min long is because that's the sum of how long all the music from the game as < 1257631323 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*was < 1257631347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: so go do something else. < 1257631389 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: do like me and try to do something useful on the side < 1257631398 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and do unlike me and manage to actually do it < 1257631406 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or should i say undo like me < 1257631494 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes < 1257631508 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that might work even better < 1257631516 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to go < 1257632959 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1257633403 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION decides that < 1257633404 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ < 1257633404 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Permission is granted to copy, modify and distribute this work. < 1257633405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1257633405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THERE IS NO WARRANTY. < 1257633405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :]] < 1257633406 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the best license, or if the permission to use software really isn't implicit, then < 1257633408 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ < 1257633410 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Permission is granted to use, copy, modify and distribute this work. < 1257633412 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1257633414 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THERE IS NO WARRANTY. < 1257633416 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :]] < 1257633418 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Copywrong! < 1257634512 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem with madbrain is that he doesnt know what the fuck hes talking about < 1257634522 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so while he may seem interesting, its only because he's full of shit < 1257634523 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Decisive. Aggressive! < 1257634525 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Popcorn. < 1257634533 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just bought a popcorn maker. < 1257634556 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you cause ehird to jump back in surprise at the offensiveness of an instance of insulting, you know you're on the edge. < 1257634567 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, okay, I didn't *physically* jump back. < 1257634575 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain. Retort! < 1257634585 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest saying that augur is full of shit. < 1257634624 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, check it out < 1257634633 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive invented a cute little model of syntax, very simple < 1257634637 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and stack based! < 1257634653 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem with augur is that he presents everything really shittily. < 1257634656 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it manages to explain to largely inexplicable phenomena in one fell swoop < 1257634657 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1257634663 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So while he may seem really boring, it's only because he's not full of shit. < 1257634669 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, that didn't work. < 1257634674 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1257634683 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but true, i think < 1257634692 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, the latter statement failed. < 1257634698 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feynman was interesting and not full of shit. < 1257634698 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still true! < 1257634703 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know madbrain from elsewhere, incidentally? < 1257634707 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1257634708 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just here. < 1257634713 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are you just really aggressive :P < 1257634735 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he just has a really weird notion of what qualifies as the information content of a string of phonemes < 1257634745 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that its incredibly difficult to compute that < 1257634760 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that relevant to whether it's a good model or not? < 1257634763 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so < 1257634765 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1257634772 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that really a problem < 1257634775 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that it's hard to compute < 1257634823 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a problem if you're making claims about the information content of a string of phonemes, yes. < 1257634974 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wanna know about my little model of syntax? x3 < 1257635029 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are only three core operations! < 1257635153 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to think the bit-measurement when people say things like "english gets 6 b/s" was actual informational content < 1257635160 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, it actually carries 6 bits of actual information < 1257635163 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just distinct elements of the language < 1257635170 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but see thats very hard to quantify < 1257635174 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i kept wondering how people worked out the exact actual bit contents of some information < 1257635190 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also how come things on earth about humans can be 6 bits < 1257635196 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, we're enumerating the entire logical space here :P < 1257635216 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so let me tell you my little mode < 1257635217 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :l < 1257635218 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i realised it was not that awesome < 1257635220 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was so boring < 1257635222 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you're so boring < 1257635223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and shut up < 1257635225 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you < 1257635230 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::Have I written this spell good and correctly: http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/dnd/other_stuff/Suppress_Lycanthropy.txt < 1257635239 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :proably < 1257635241 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*probably < 1257635247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did not write that word good and correctly < 1257635357 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok here we go ehird < 1257635367 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and shut up augur < 1257635370 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here is my model of All Human Language Syntax < 1257635374 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :READY? < 1257635381 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i hate you augur < 1257635383 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i really do < 1257635396 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, more than me? < 1257635398 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1257635405 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i have thought of something i haven't actually tried, i'm going to put you on /ignore because i am like, fight or flight here < 1257635412 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i can't kill you over the internet < 1257635427 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, heh? you are ignoring augur? < 1257635428 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1257635437 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so i am going to have to flight by which i mean /ignore goodbye temporarily please do not take it personally thank you i will probably logread because i have no self control bye < 1257635449 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1257635451 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay logreading now./ < 1257635456 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\/$// < 1257635458 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1257635470 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster! wanna know about language? :o < 1257635477 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are sad don't be sad NO I NEVER READ THAT < 1257635480 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never read your lines < 1257635482 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the log < 1257635484 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, one line < 1257635485 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :youll LITERALLY be the first person other than me to know this stuff < 1257635486 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm kinda tired. < 1257635486 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1257635489 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't, you know < 1257635490 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :count < 1257635557 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kinda lonely without augur babbling < 1257635560 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :feels lonely < 1257635567 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean it's okay when it's just normal silence < 1257635572 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this is silence sans augur babbling < 1257635576 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is like... explicit silence < 1257635579 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is of my own doing < 1257635580 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is my undoing < 1257635588 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore my doing is my undoing and all my acts are wrong < 1257635600 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would jump out of a window but since that is a thing that i would do it is clearly the wrong thing to do < 1257635608 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : anmaster! wanna know about language? :o <-- noooooo < 1257635612 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1257635669 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i do not suggest /ignore as a remedy it causes extreme cancer of the sadness organ < 1257635674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's a church organ) < 1257635674 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, but isn't then not doing it something you would do? < 1257635677 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as you just did it < 1257635681 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO < 1257635683 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inaction is not action < 1257635685 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1257635700 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hehe I read that as "church oerjan" first < 1257635732 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your most excellency augur, < 1257635745 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please telepathically transdivinate whether me unignoring you would result in unpleasant babbling < 1257635753 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps a return to serene silence, not this noisy, upsetting silence < 1257635757 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yours truly sincerely, < 1257635760 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, conjecture: you can not decide (by free will) to do something you wouldn't do. < 1257635761 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott hird < 1257635767 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you ruined my beautiful letter < 1257635772 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you could be forced to though) < 1257635784 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oops didn't see. I was busy writing it < 1257635787 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you are cluttering my name space and augur thinks my name is ehird, conjecture: you can not decide (by free will) to do something you wouldn't do. < 1257635788 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott hird < 1257635808 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your absolute excellent-champion augur, < 1257635808 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, XD < 1257635811 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am < 1257635812 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1257635814 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1257635816 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please discard this letter < 1257635823 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? XD < 1257635826 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know this spell I wrote is an exception to the general rule for creating potions. But I made it like this anyways. < 1257635829 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your above-excellent super-liminal superlative augur, < 1257635833 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my name is in fact elliott hird < 1257635834 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :love, < 1257635836 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott hird < 1257635836 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I haven't laughed out < 1257635839 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :loud < 1257635841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all week before < 1257635850 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : love, < 1257635850 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ehird, I haven't laughed out < 1257635850 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott hird < 1257635851 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah! < 1257635859 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was fine at my end AND THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS < 1257635862 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for I am a solipsist < 1257635864 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, meh < 1257635866 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an IRC solipsist < 1257635873 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am the only client that exists. < 1257635882 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why are you still on irc then < 1257635894 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the only game you can play on macs. < 1257635902 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, intel macs? < 1257635911 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, if you have classic you can play quite a few more at least < 1257635914 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use macintosh system software 5 < 1257635914 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea about intel ones < 1257635923 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :system 6 is too bloated for my meagre brain < 1257635930 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, never seen system 5 < 1257635931 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever < 1257635931 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't actually own a macintosh, i just execute the instructions in my head < 1257635935 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :system 1 and system 6 yes < 1257635939 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 7 8 and 9 < 1257635949 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I thought you did? < 1257635964 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the physical world isn't real either, so everything is in my head really < 1257635968 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it sounds better this way... < 1257636007 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dear augury augur, < 1257636014 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i substantiate the unignorance of your persona. < 1257636016 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very lovely day time, < 1257636018 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott hird < 1257636024 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dear augury augur, < 1257636027 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean night time. < 1257636030 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1257636030 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very lovely correction time, < 1257636032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott hird < 1257636033 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooooooo < 1257636034 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not again < 1257636040 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1257636041 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1257636046 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ... < 1257636046 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : very lovely correction time, < 1257636046 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott hird < 1257636050 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that here < 1257636051 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW ABOUT SUKKY SUKKY LOVE YOU LONG TIME? < 1257636060 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, XD < 1257636066 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats awesome < 1257636069 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1257636075 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a reply I mean < 1257636076 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apostrophes are awesome < 1257636080 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the act in fact < 1257636081 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT THAT YOU'D EVER KNOW THAT < 1257636084 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you didn't use them < 1257636103 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you mean single-quotes? < 1257636116 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"thats awesome" < 1257636118 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU HATE THEM < 1257636118 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, anyway augur doesn't use them a lot either < 1257636125 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, and i hate him too < 1257636126 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HATE < 1257636131 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, now for a bout of semi-coheerency < 1257636133 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1257636136 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why is that? < 1257636145 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.quadibloc.com/comp/images/enhpc.gif < 1257636146 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ONE KEYBOARD TO RULE THEM ALL < 1257636148 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ONE KEYBOARD TO FIND THEM < 1257636151 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ONE KEYBOARD TO BRING THEM ALL < 1257636159 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND IN THE SCANCODES BIND THEM < 1257636160 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wellnowwhat.net/linguistics/syntax.html < 1257636163 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1257636165 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hah < 1257636175 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, nice link (as a contrast) < 1257636177 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't open it < 1257636178 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"One multi-function keyboard layout that tries to combine all the functions of: < 1257636179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The normal 104/105-key PC keyboard < 1257636179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 122-key terminal emulation keyboard < 1257636179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Sun keyboard (notice the HELP key on the left) < 1257636179 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An APL keyboard (APL symbols are on the right half of the keys) < 1257636180 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A LISP keyboard of the Space Cadet variety (Meta, Super, and Hyper... and the symbols on the left half of the keys, even unshifted (. ). and :)" < 1257636205 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, awesome < 1257636225 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all it needs is a trackpoint, a trackpad, a trackball, a mousing surface and a tablet < 1257636227 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, "and :)"? < 1257636235 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can just drop it on your desk and sit there FOREVER < 1257636246 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: unshifted ( ) : < 1257636250 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was in parens < 1257636255 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1257636255 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Meta, Super, […] (. ). and :) < 1257636260 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :confusing I know < 1257636270 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbh I'd probably buy a keyboard like that < 1257636275 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster: INNIT AWESOME? < 1257636281 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why are there two sysrq? < 1257636283 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats a whole theory of syntax right there. < 1257636285 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously. < 1257636285 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, didn't open it I said < 1257636289 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: one's print screen/sys req < 1257636290 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think im joking but < 1257636291 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and won't < 1257636291 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the regular key < 1257636293 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1257636294 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1257636294 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one's a one-key sysreq < 1257636303 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: just like there's shifted and unshifted () < 1257636307 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, hum < 1257636311 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there'd be something satisfying about lobbing that thing on your desk < 1257636311 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huge < 1257636317 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, the feeling of being able to control everything < 1257636318 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all there < 1257636320 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all you'd ever need < 1257636320 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, how do you set the "mode" or something? < 1257636328 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: shift or something, who cares < 1257636330 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1257636339 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd have to be made with capacitive buckling springs, like the Model F < 1257636344 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even older, and more clicky, than the Model M < 1257636353 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, it needs localised versions for all possible languages. ALL IN ONE < 1257636354 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in < 1257636359 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it'd have to have a huge bezel < 1257636359 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all buttons has all languages < 1257636369 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh and both qwerty and dvorak < 1257636373 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that classic beige < 1257636374 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be < 1257636375 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GLORIOUS < 1257636413 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ < 1257636413 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1257636414 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :super_merge ([F..., X......F, ...], H, P) = ([X...... → F... X......F, ...], H ∪ {F...}, P) < 1257636414 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
< 1257636415 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sub_merge ([F, X...F, ...], H, P) = ([X... → F X...F, ...], F, P ∪ {F...}) < 1257636415 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :]] < 1257636418 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: you fail at XML forever. < 1257636432 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also HTML, also XHTML, also choosing sane markup formats, also at writing markup in said format < 1257636447 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, husuh < 1257636450 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hush. < 1257636459 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its supposed to be quick and dirty < 1257636460 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it works < 1257636482 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then why is the fucking xml declaration there < 1257636485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the / in
< 1257636496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck, firefox won't even render that < 1257636504 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll take one look at it and spew out an XML error < 1257636519 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1257636529 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the declaration is there fore unicode. < 1257636536 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1257636548 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :congratulations, you fail at quick and dirty hacks! < 1257636560 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :::shrug:: < 1257636599 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixe < 1257636600 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d < 1257636601 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy? < 1257636613 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesnt work properly tho < 1257636650 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, you did it stupidly. < 1257636657 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i didnt < 1257636668 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :put as the first like, replace
with
, and it'll work juuuuuuuust fine. < 1257636670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*line < 1257636691 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its the unicode that doesnt work, cuntface < 1257636730 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1257636737 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I retract my advice, though. Cuntface. < 1257636780 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION fucks you up so hard < 1257636824 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was so much happier when I was ignoring you. < 1257636971 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there ehird < 1257636973 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no unicode at all < 1257636976 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just ugly text :| < 1257636985 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is decidedly not an improvement. < 1257636989 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not! < 1257636990 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1257636998 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its the best i can do :( < 1257637013 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great, xhtml. < 1257637015 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1257637019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it's at least ten times as shitty as the last iteration. < 1257637021 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEXT ILL DO HTML5 < 1257637035 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny, adding that to the start was all you needed to have valid html5. < 1257637041 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also to trigger standards mode < 1257637044 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would have fixed shit. < 1257637050 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, gave up the /ignore? < 1257637054 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: alas. < 1257637056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reconsidering. < 1257637057 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except i did that ehird :( < 1257637060 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it didnt work :( < 1257637081 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well fix your fucking server and get it to send the right content-type header, that is my suggestion < 1257637087 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your mother. < 1257637109 0 :iamcal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1257637158 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how now < 1257637162 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BETTER? < 1257637181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, link? < 1257637205 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wellnowwhat.net/linguistics/syntax.html < 1257637224 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, looks ok in konqueror? < 1257637227 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : super_merge [([F..., X......F, ...], H, P), ...] = [([X...... → F... X......F, ...], H ∪ {F...}, P), ...] < 1257637227 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : sub_merge [([F, X...F, ...], H, P), ...] = [([X... → F X...F, ...], F, P ∪ {F...}), ...] < 1257637227 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : adjoin [([Y, ...], Hi, Pi), ([X, ...], Hj, Pj), ...] = [([X → Y X, ...], Hj, Pj), ...] < 1257637233 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that is what it should look like < 1257637234 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1257637236 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however some font issues < 1257637247 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks correct when pasted in irc client < 1257637256 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but has some boxes in konq < 1257637270 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeh, thats the theory of syntax :o < 1257637289 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, pretty. But I have no clue what it means < 1257637293 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1257637319 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok the things that look like X...f with the ...f in subscripts, and nothing in superscripts < 1257637320 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, and this is lynx: < 1257637323 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : super_merge [([F[...], X[...]^...F, ...], H, P), ...] = [([X[...]^... [...] X[...]^...F, ...], H F[...]}, P), ...] < 1257637323 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : sub_merge [([F, X[...F], ...], H, P), ...] = [([X[...] X[...F], ...], F, P F[...]}), ...] < 1257637323 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : adjoin [([Y, ...], H[i], P[i]), ([X, ...], H[j], P[j]), ...] = [([X X, ...], H[j], P[j]), ...] < 1257637327 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means "An X that needs an f" < 1257637342 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ok let me rephrase that < 1257637343 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, I DIDN'T ASK WHAT IT MEANT < 1257637348 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok fine :| < 1257637349 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just said I didn't understand it < 1257637364 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're a lameface < 1257637383 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, maybe. But I'm sure there are stuff I'm better at < 1257637424 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grammar argh fix it < 1257637436 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, eh? < 1257637460 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: it is manifestly inferior to anything else because it's xhtml. < 1257637470 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even that; inconsistently-capitalised xhtml < 1257637472 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"PuBLIC" < 1257637475 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"en-uS" < 1257637479 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even sure that's valid. < 1257637485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: there is stuff i'm better at < 1257637485 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not are < 1257637524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, am you sure about that? < 1257637529 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :die die die < 1257637541 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why are that? < 1257637548 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK DEATH DIE ARGH RAGE < 1257637551 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCREAMING FIRE < 1257637568 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why is you reacting this strongly to it? < 1257637577 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiredness :D < 1257637580 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and mirth < 1257637592 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah :D < 1257637594 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god < 1257637597 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you did it in that line < 1257637599 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUUUCK ARGH sfjgsdiofhgljh < 1257637603 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm so tired i didn't notice < 1257637606 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1257637608 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't trust ANYTHING that happens until I sleep < 1257637612 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :am I even actually typing this? < 1257637616 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, yes < 1257637617 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does my computer actually exist? < 1257637617 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no < 1257637619 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1257637620 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do *I* exist? < 1257637636 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well you asserted you were the *only* thing existing before < 1257637651 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it is the reverse? < 1257637657 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are the only thing *not* exisiting < 1257637674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man i am freaking out! < 1257637679 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you tell that to someone on drugs? < 1257637680 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? < 1257637684 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEN DON'T TELL ME WHEN I'M TIRED < 1257637688 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you are on drugs? < 1257637693 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but same thing basically < 1257637720 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, maybe no one exists < 1257637728 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we are all dreaming that we exist < 1257637732 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe nothing exists < 1257637738 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1257637740 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said that < 1257637743 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one < 1257637745 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is not nothing < 1257637749 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you peoplecentricitythingy < 1257637750 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1257637762 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant "nothing" though probably < 1257637785 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i exist more than you < 1257637952 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, except since ∀x(Human(x) → Existance(x) → 0) that "more" is insignificant < 1257637968 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note to self: don't mix syntax from different parts of math like that, it's confusing) < 1257637981 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second arrow is "limit" the first is "implies" < 1257637987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just to clarify < 1257638031 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great what the hell. That wasn't supposed to happen. < 1257638032 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :note to AnMaster, don't futz together some random mathematical notation in a blatantly obvious "look at me i know mathematics" < 1257638034 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh so tired < 1257638038 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION prods rythmbox < 1257638052 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, no it wasn't that. < 1257638078 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rhythm. < 1257638083 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah whatever < 1257638105 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I think it fucked up anyway. Some sort of shuffle even when that was disabled < 1257638123 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sighs and note he should go back to the command line alternative again. Works better. < 1257638144 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i care, i really care, i'm trying to care, don't be a bastard < 1257638146 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't do it < 1257638149 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really don't care. < 1257638173 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, about? < 1257638180 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[23:55] • AnMaster sighs and note he should go back to the command line alternative again. Works better. < 1257638184 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don'ts care about? < 1257638194 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zgjk;' < 1257638194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1257638197 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OW < 1257638198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, what? < 1257638204 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i rolled my finger along the home row < 1257638209 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, why? < 1257638211 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it hit the spiky edge of my enter key < 1257638217 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :propped up slightly < 1257638219 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it's a bit broken < 1257638221 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ow ow ow ow ow < 1257638225 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oooh nice spiky keyboard < 1257638225 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(scissor-switch board = sharp key edges) < 1257638239 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think everyone is sleeping in this housees or something < 1257638240 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so quiet < 1257638255 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*house < 1257638290 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A trackball mouse with a foot pedal!" < 1257638294 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a wonderful idea! < 1257638295 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1257638301 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, the pedal would be for? < 1257638305 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clicking < 1257638305 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clicking? < 1257638306 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1257638306 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably < 1257638333 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trackball mice for your toes. < 1257638340 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, would be trivial to wire up to the toe brakes of some flightsim rudder pedals < 1257638342 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get some use out of those buggers. < 1257638345 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In the Cool Accessories Dept., the TopTrack comes with a silver and gold fabric mouse cozy. A mouse cozy! My wife wonders why anyone would need to keep a mouse warm. Obviously she has no heart. Personally, I can see reasons for modem cozies as well." < 1257638346 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^___^ < 1257638347 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you would have left/right click < 1257638352 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: No, heels! < 1257638354 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, just a few lines in the X config I expect < 1257638369 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs to be a good foot pedal though < 1257638372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no gradual action needed < 1257638376 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs to be tactile < 1257638385 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, well hm. ok < 1257638398 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sure am looking forward to never double-clicking again