< 1257724940 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought Feather was unimplementable? < 1257724981 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or are we waiting for the spec? Or is my memory pure crap>? < 1257724982 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1257725006 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is probably implementable. < 1257725019 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 is implementing it to figure out what the spec is, I think is the basic idea. < 1257725022 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometime. < 1257725085 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is making and distributing MIDIs of copyrighted songs considered copyright violation? < 1257725104 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably < 1257725130 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what shouldn't annoy me but does? < 1257725131 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So AWI comitted copyright violations? < 1257725142 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AWI? < 1257725163 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Active Worlds Incorporated, I think < 1257725180 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*committed, and I wouldn't call a victimless crime something you can commit. < 1257725181 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I get all worked up about downloading something that I feel really bad for doing (e.g. an indy game) and then discover it's on a CC license < 1257725239 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, the guilt of one who, somewhere in their mind, has a vague, denied feeling that this amazing sharing technology can't be immoral but still deludes themself into thinking it is so. < 1257725241 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember that! < 1257725313 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I don't feel the same level of guilt for things made by idiot companies - it's only indie stuff < 1257725328 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally irrelevant to what i said < 1257725352 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I was responding to the underlying sarcasm < 1257725365 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, any underlying point had nothing to do with that either < 1257725420 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mutation (in Active Worlds) played MIDId versions of the Conan the Barbarian theme, Lothlorien, a Tomb Raider song, a FF7 song, a song from the Fifth Element, and probably some others I don't remember offhand < 1257725473 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's user-created, isn't it? < 1257725511 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it really relevant? < 1257725517 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mutation, yes, although it was known to everyone < 1257725538 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An AWI world did play MIDId versions of copyrighted stuff, though < 1257725604 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Sgeo has an obsession about every aspect of old VR games (mostly Active Worlds) that borders on the creepily unhealthy. < 1257725618 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: yeah, I've noticed < 1257725649 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AWGate played MIDId versions of Come on Eileen, Africa, Breakfast at Tiffany's, Closing Time, Flagpole Sitta, Another Brick in the Wall, Losing my Religion, Zoot Suit Riot, and much more < 1257725655 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it wasn't amusing I'd be tying him and Rugxlo or however you spell it together and dumping them in the middle of the Amazon < 1257725669 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and AWGate is owned by AWI) < 1257725751 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a) yes, that's infringement < 1257725756 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :b) no one cares < 1257725794 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It is the responsibility of every citizen to ignore dumb laws." —Ian Clarke < 1257725884 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Copyright is, more or less, a type of law that's designed to provide remedies for egregious circumstances and ignore the trivial ones < 1257725891 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1257725905 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have absolutely NO doubt that that was NOT on the minds of ANY of the lawmakers that produced copyright. < 1257725919 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wouldn't have conciously been in mind, no < 1257725935 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it fails terribly at that, FWIW < 1257725947 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it does < 1257725950 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd also disagree strongly that the circumstances it kicks in are egregious — *any* of them < 1257725955 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the Internet came and screwed everything up < 1257725964 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They certainly are if you come at them from the old way of thinking... < 1257725976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Personally I'm not a fan of neo-Ludditism, though. < 1257726024 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I'm talking things like someone mass-marketing copies of a film. < 1257726043 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gathered. < 1257726066 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And probably you would be surprised to find out that I don't think copyright has a place there either. < 1257726071 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I wouldn't be < 1257726075 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because we've had this talk before < 1257726084 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I disagree with your opinion, though < 1257726111 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nonsense; we all know that I am unable to have rational debate and just cover up for my ignorance with childish insults. Uh, unless that was another coppro. < 1257726211 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*buys a trackball* < 1257726296 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION attempts to decide between writing his document authoring tool and writing an httpd
< 1257726316 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :document authoring tool: more unique, less interesting < 1257726320 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :httpd: less unique, more interesting < 1257726400 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :httpd would be a lot more challenging, too, although perhaps easier < 1257726415 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats the point of either < 1257726421 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think that's a contradiction < 1257726699 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to use. httpd is more of a fun reinvention thing, but document authoring tools are seriously subpar. < 1257726879 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agree! < 1257728081 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is a document authoring tool < 1257728220 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfV93ZMSmOQ&feature=related < 1257728926 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1257734949 0 :immibis!n=immibis@125-236-168-62.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1257735444 0 :calamari_!n=calamari@ip72-211-145-161.tc.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1257735922 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5lGOMYvxxU < 1257736309 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :__nick < 1257736318 0 :__nick!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :coppro < 1257736339 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :__mikem < 1257736344 0 :__mikem!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :coppro < 1257736448 0 :zzo38!n=zzo38@h24-207-48-53.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1257736471 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have invented a new power and a new feat. http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/dnd/options/Backward_Heal.p http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Useless_Magecraft_%283.5e_Feat%29 < 1257736486 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please review < 1257736656 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1257737112 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"-____" < 1257738306 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1257738416 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1257739209 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1257740065 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1257741790 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.5/20091102152451]" < 1257744372 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1257744375 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1257748878 0 :FireFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1257750312 0 :Gracenotes_!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1257750487 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1257750498 0 :Gracenotes_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Gracenotes < 1257750972 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1257751000 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1257752335 0 :MigoMipo!i=3e779bfd@gateway/web/freenode/x-sjycnzrnoeotsfoi JOIN :#esoteric < 1257753500 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1257753599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1257753600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1257754179 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Page closed" < 1257754570 0 :Slereah!n=butt@ANantes-259-1-12-93.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1257754926 0 :cal153!n=cal@c-69-181-46-213.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1257755663 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1257757436 0 :ais523!n=ais523@147.188.254.115 JOIN :#esoteric < 1257757474 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1257765867 0 :jix!n=jix@188-192-190-77-dynip.superkabel.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1257768282 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1257768287 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1257769209 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: probably the most boring thing i've ever heard < 1257769275 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay the elements are great, but there isn't enough for more than a minute of music < 1257769650 0 :oklopol!n=oklopol@a91-153-117-63.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1257770727 0 :oklokok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1257771446 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1257771795 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-156-193-82.range86-156.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1257772907 0 :fax!n=somebody@unaffiliated/fax JOIN :#esoteric < 1257773156 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1257774469 0 :FireFly[DS]!n=nds@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1257774514 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@p5B13389F.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1257774576 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@77-100-194-169.cable.ubr04.pres.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1257775691 0 :jix!n=jix@188-193-95-175-dynip.superkabel.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1257776221 0 :FireFly[DS]!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Success < 1257776402 0 :FireFly[DS]!n=nds@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1257776809 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1257777038 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1257778643 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1257781069 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1257781697 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it possible to make a program that computes a random sequence if you have a halting oracle? < 1257782002 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1257784221 0 :jix!n=jix@188-193-95-175-dynip.superkabel.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1257785203 0 :augur!n=augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1257785526 0 :FireyFly[DS]!n=nds@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1257785588 0 :FireFly[DS]!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection reset by peer < 1257785604 0 :FireyFly[DS]!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :FireFly[DS] < 1257786559 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1257786563 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1257786885 0 :puzzlet_!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1257787670 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1257787983 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1257788084 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1257788259 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1257788272 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1257788424 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1257788490 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1257788502 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : is it possible to make a program that computes a random sequence if you have a halting oracle? < 1257788502 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1257788512 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on your definition of random i would assume... < 1257788595 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :random as in no pattern detectable by any computable program, maybe... < 1257788663 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hmm a finite sequence is not random? < 1257788668 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, it might still be possible to detect it if you had a halting oracle of the next degree (for the language with the first halting oracle included) < 1257788770 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm with kolmogorov complexity a finite sequence is random if it is incompressible, isn't it. < 1257788783 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay < 1257788791 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a halting oracle might be able to verify that. < 1257788803 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, reboot < 1257788804 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1257788840 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case I think we could generate every terminating program (size less than n) that produces a length n sequence and take the biggest sequences < 1257788875 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you should be able to generate randomness (other than chaitins omega) with a halting oracle < 1257789032 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1257789242 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1257789569 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1257790398 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chaitin's omega is random enough. < 1257791027 0 :puzzlet!n=puzzlet@147.46.241.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1257791048 0 :puzzlet_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1257791215 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1257792490 0 :FireFly[DS]!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection reset by peer < 1257792892 0 :ais523!n=ais523@92-236-187-64.cable.ubr08.king.blueyonder.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1257793924 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything better than graphviz for making an ER diagram (needed for current module at uni. Otherwise I wouldn't do this) < 1257793941 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graphviz is basically a pain for this. < 1257793973 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1257793986 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if ais523 knows
< 1257794013 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I don't < 1257794038 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1257794040 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, iwc < 1257794128 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once again, sound financial advice there < 1257794142 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, in the annotation yes < 1257794151 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there too < 1257794156 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hah < 1257794378 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is wondering slightly why neither inkscape nor firefox seems to handle underlined text in svgs.
< 1257794389 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I checked the spec to make sure I was correct < 1257794517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ffs. Now I'm really annoyed. I should have *known* CTAN would have something for it < 1257794553 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't find it before though < 1257794602 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PGF hm. Never heard of it before. Seems to be in texlive though < 1257794671 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm the ER part doesn't seem to be default. At least I can't locate that < 1257794680 0 :FireFly[DS]!n=nds@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1257794893 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yay /usr/share/texmf/tex/generic/pgf/frontendlayer/tikz/libraries/tikzlibraryer.code.tex is there < 1257794969 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm not texlive. Have it for some other unknown reason < 1257795773 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1257795776 0 :Gracenotes!n=person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1257795944 0 :MigoMipo!i=54d90b59@gateway/web/freenode/x-dpifrxscdatewmon JOIN :#esoteric < 1257795947 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1257796957 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1257798533 0 :FireyFly[DS]!n=nds@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1257798726 0 :FireFly[DS]!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection reset by peer < 1257798783 0 :FireyFly[DS]!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :FireFly[DS] < 1257799312 0 :FireyFly!n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1257799472 0 :FireyFly!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :FireFly < 1257799719 0 :ehird!n=ehird@91.104.250.25 JOIN :#esoteric < 1257799736 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, x'y" ~= x.y m < 1257799756 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a sufficiently vague definition of ~= < 1257799771 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1'44" = 1.42 m, at least < 1257800009 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nabs a Logitech TrackMan Marble for £20.07
< 1257800012 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And selecting x and y how? That's also 4'8" :-P < 1257800012 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(including shipping) < 1257800014 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:31:39 to use. httpd is more of a fun reinvention thing, but document authoring tools are seriously subpar. < 1257800014 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:34:39 Agree! < 1257800014 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for once! < 1257800031 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Erm... ignore me, I'm ... stupid >_< < 1257800047 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:54:41 wtf is a document authoring tool < 1257800047 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a thingy < 1257800049 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1257800055 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a document format + a processor for this format < 1257800063 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION = HELPFUL
< 1257800104 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid + HELPFUL = dAnGeRoUs MaDnEsS < 1257800216 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't believe how cheap that trackball is :| < 1257800444 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) < 1257800650 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a fever < 1257800674 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the only cure is less stupid references < 1257800678 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: oink! < 1257800682 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was fun at first to have such a different sort of imagination, but i cannot do math, not at all. < 1257800686 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :geddit geddit < 1257800693 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: 2+2= < 1257800717 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get anything < 1257800726 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's not math, i can execute algorithms just fine < 1257800757 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is an algorithm! < 1257800773 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes i mean i can execute deterministic algorithms < 1257800825 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol is not yet quantum < 1257800861 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: everything is deterministic < 1257800881 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just construct the simulated universe so that it has no patterns like the numbers you give to it as random! < 1257801056 0 :jix!n=jix@188-193-95-175-dynip.superkabel.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1257801075 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!n=nice@p5B133427.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1257801127 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i... don't understand you < 1257801175 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor i, oklopol < 1257801176 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor i < 1257801177 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey Gregor < 1257801183 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah hey greg < 1257801186 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have two (2) submissions to t-rex is lonely < 1257801188 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's the party < 1257801190 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. the first two panels of today's comic < 1257801194 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. the first two and last panels of today's comic < 1257801206 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :title: < 1257801209 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Backstory < 1257801212 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did t-rex is so lonely continue? < 1257801223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lonelydino.com/ < 1257801235 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dino is a cute word < 1257801259 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :horrible plagarism < 1257801260 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lonelydino.com/?id=75 xD < 1257801271 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fax: the word is plagiarism, and how on earth is it plagiarism? < 1257801279 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a derivative work, yes; it's not plagiarism < 1257801292 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : And selecting x and y how? That's also 4'8" :-P <-- how many " makes up a ' ? < 1257801304 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3i2 < 1257801314 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should be inferrable from that exchange < 1257801321 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, too tired? < 1257801331 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe he just doesn't want to hand you stuff on a silver platter < 1257801334 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd've googled it in the time you've spent thus far < 1257801342 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :units(1) to the rescue < 1257801346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 12? < 1257801351 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: AnMaster doesn't BELIIIIIIIIIEVE in google < 1257801364 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, correct. Like you said you didn't believe in paper. < 1257801400 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is true, out-of-context and completely irrelevant. < 1257801414 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Congratulations. You have reached the Altar of the Stupid Trifecta! < 1257801469 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was just a creative no < 1257802330 0 :ehird_!n=ehird@91.104.248.78 JOIN :#esoteric < 1257802592 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://22.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kqd6xcT6AP1qzqhmeo1_500.jpg < 1257803170 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice :-D < 1257803215 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-S < 1257803218 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1257803218 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ehird < 1257803233 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah colloquy, you and your ninja nick-grabbing < 1257803233 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, auto-rename < 1257803235 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1257803239 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no ghosting for you, just wait... and... pounce < 1257803304 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1257803524 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://14.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ks8bucdZ4W1qz4rgro1_500.png < 1257803525 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DEBIAN USERS: So generous < 1257803881 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1257803931 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I don't get it. < 1257803948 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should have specified. Statistics from a pay-as-much-as-you-want system. < 1257803953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Game, World of Goo. < 1257803962 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1257804020 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on how many times the links generated to a given person were retrieved, or what? < 1257804024 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://2dboy.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/bycountry.png < 1257804024 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SWISS DEBIAN USERS: They love you < 1257804035 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Presumably you can only buy one. < 1257804052 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, I got it and it gives you links for all the platforms. < 1257804065 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the pay-what-you-want system? < 1257804069 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1257804075 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they set up a "WHICH PLATFORM WILL YOU USE THIS ON LULZ" field? < 1257804079 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you'd remember. < 1257804081 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who knows. < 1257804082 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, because I have the .tar.gz, mac one, and windows one. < 1257804090 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT DO YOU HATE DEBIAN OR SOMETHING < 1257804106 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't actually recall a .deb there at all. :-P < 1257804109 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You probably paid like -$0.01 < 1257804114 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's the same thing as the .tar.gz anyway. < 1257804116 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: DO YOU HATE RPMS < 1257804134 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know enough about them to have an opinion. < 1257804145 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well they hate you. Because you PASSED THEM BY < 1257804148 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IGNORED themm < 1257804158 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I paid $4 once and $1 once. < 1257804175 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*them < 1257804191 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Later" < 1257804480 0 :FireFly[DS]!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1257804840 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1257804894 0 :augur!n=augur@pool-71-163-207-43.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1257806101 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, wb ehird < 1257806104 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't seen you here for a while... < 1257806109 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1257806110 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have I just not been paying attention? < 1257806128 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was here on the weekend. < 1257806134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not for a week before, thereabouts < 1257806340 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can anybody guess what causes this: "relocation R_X86_64_32 against `.text' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC". :-) < 1257806355 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ld error message) < 1257806372 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you're using dynamic linking. Stop that < 1257806423 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adding -fPIC to line doesn't do anything to that error... < 1257806794 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(answer: Trying to link X64 object file into X86 shared library). < 1257806850 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: it says recompile with -fPIC, not re-link < 1257806864 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, a bit obscure < 1257806892 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you know that R_X86_64_32 means turning 64-bit code into 32-bit code or whatever < 1257806900 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, for that file, it is "Re-Assemble". < 1257806901 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: the fukka switches suck yeah? < 1257806919 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it the XMs < 1257806931 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know which they were < 1257806948 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think fukka < 1257806968 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the filco font is nice < 1257807062 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/mmw3Z.png < 1257807090 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :twatter or farcebook? < 1257807186 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reddit. < 1257807201 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rabbid < 1257807205 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you want a hee-larie-us corruption of that name, SimonRC? < 1257807209 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could give it a try. < 1257807216 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cough* < 1257807232 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: shut up, they ruined the rayman franchise < 1257807242 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1257807280 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1257807368 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google/wp to the rescue < 1257807381 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm is that like gnu/linux < 1257807396 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the other way around < 1257807426 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that picture looks rabid enough < 1257807476 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION played Rayman 2 for the conworlding
< 1257807483 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the music < 1257807487 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh gods that yes < 1257807496 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know: wrecktit! < 1257807522 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wreckdit might be better speeling < 1257807550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: rayman 2's music is awesome < 1257807568 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda silly thing to say, everything about it is awesome :P < 1257807613 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's even well-coded enough that you can run it in widescreen and there's no glitches... although you have to edit an .ini to set it < 1257807623 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno if forcing anti-aliasing works; prolly < 1257807648 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"wrekkit" < 1257807674 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1257807747 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha python sucks so much (correction: rc is so much cooler) < 1257807756 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for some things) < 1257807759 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(THE ONLY THINGS THAT MATTER) < 1257807792 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1257808037 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :_[] < 1257808045 0 :_[]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay it was free < 1257808307 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you feel more complete? < 1257808345 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_[]: what language is that? < 1257808366 0 :_[]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, my nick? none? < 1257808367 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :char _[] = "foo"; is valid C < 1257808375 0 :_[]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, true < 1257808376 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed < 1257808385 0 :_[]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be valid befunge too < 1257808392 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything is valid befunge. < 1257808393 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also probably valid Prolog, on the basis that most strings of punctuation marks are valid Prolog < 1257808394 0 :_[]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, almost everything could < 1257808400 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although IIRC square brackets can be an exception < 1257808409 0 :_[]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, no. Not the bytes 1 1 1 < 1257808421 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_[]: It's valid. It's a program that never halts. < 1257808427 0 :_[]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, probably valid perl? < 1257808434 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so < 1257808437 0 :_[]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dh, < 1257808441 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see < 1257808445 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_ is a bareword in that context < 1257808451 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it is valid Perl, in the right context < 1257808460 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it calls a function called _ on a reference to an empty list < 1257808462 0 :_[]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it's the secret easter egg. to erase your harddrive < 1257808468 0 :_[]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, XD < 1257808473 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that means you have to define a function called _ first < 1257808477 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nobody would really want to do that < 1257808494 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it's a silly name for a function < 1257808502 0 :_[]!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :[]_ < 1257808545 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sub _ {print shift,"\n";} _[]" gives me the output ARRAY(0x8f6d880) < 1257808560 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[]_ is probably a syntax error, though < 1257808573 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Bareword found where operator expected at - line 1, near "]_" < 1257808576 0 :[]_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, on top of all users lists but ##c it seems < 1257808584 0 :[]_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some [1]st is on top < 1257808584 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's before you? < 1257808588 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1257808589 0 :[]_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is too lazy top copy it
< 1257808606 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ChanServ's beating you on user lists where it's there too < 1257808610 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what is o good about the name _[]? < 1257808611 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because my client sorts ops to the top < 1257808618 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: is your s key working properly? < 1257808626 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ssssss < 1257808628 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it's valid Perl! in the right context... < 1257808629 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think o < 1257808634 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*rimshot* < 1257808643 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :**rimhot* < 1257808653 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This channel is PG-13! sometimes. < 1257808709 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I could do with some on-topic conversation, given that I've been teaching Java all < 1257808710 0 :[]_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* rizzuh is now known as [0]_1 < 1257808710 0 :[]_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<[0]_1> YAY! < 1257808710 0 :[]_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Mortimon: what is nonworking? < 1257808710 0 :[]_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : frickenate: maybe your platform doesn't really support getrusage < 1257808710 0 :[]_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<[0]_1> []_, in your face #2! < 1257808710 0 :[]_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* [0]_1 is now known as rizzuh < 1257808711 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :day < 1257808712 0 :[]_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1257808715 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need decontamination < 1257808727 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1257808727 0 :[]_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I need to sleep soon < 1257808738 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: have you no ethics? < 1257808743 0 :[]_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and teaching java. eww < 1257808783 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have been coding Java a lot of the day. < 1257808802 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: yes, but you work for an enterprisey corporation and have no soul :P < 1257808805 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah, what happened to ? < 1257808806 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ratehr verbose, and crap in some ways, but gives me a few new and interesting ways to think < 1257808810 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest of the website is still there < 1257808816 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the homepage seems to have gone mostly missing < 1257808817 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: in much the same way as alcohol < 1257808835 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1257808846 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, not ddsh editor, he really is slipping < 1257808850 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I work for a small company on an [Aa]gile team, but the company works for [redacted] who aren't too bright at times < 1257808877 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, is it agile as in strict methodology agile? sweet, it's like meeting a cultist! < 1257808893 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i guess cc (that's his initials right?) gave up on life and jumped off a bridge or something, gotta tie up those loose ends beforehandn < 1257808896 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*beforehand < 1257808897 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, I would never have thought of testing C using mock functions had it not been for JAva < 1257808898 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :his server right? < 1257808900 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: clc < 1257808911 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, claudio l. c.? < 1257808917 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as in CLaudio C. < 1257808929 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how Agile we are, but we try to do things in tiny steps < 1257808933 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, it moved < 1257808935 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to http://clc.intercal.org.uk/ < 1257808941 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we do write unit tests < 1257808953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lepton.kuonet-ng.org/ick-0.-2.0.29.pax.gz is down, btw < 1257808961 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no < 1257808965 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Your comment is subject to review, and will normally be included below: the review is simply to exclude unacceptable language (such as Java) < 1257808965 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: both pages previously existed < 1257808966 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think what we do is called bright people managed well < 1257808973 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: clc.intercal.org.uk is new since I last looked < 1257808979 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, no idea < 1257808983 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there was c.intercal.org.uk but not clc.intercal.org.uk) < 1257808990 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep droping hints about Scala, but nothing is changin yet < 1257808996 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: what a great description; "we are clever and we do things well" < 1257809000 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not < 1257809017 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is http://overload.intercal.org.uk/favicon.png, anyway? < 1257809029 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1257809045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i wonder if c-intercal will work on my distro (probably) < 1257809055 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know marginally more about management than you do about processor design < 1257809062 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: should do < 1257809063 0 :[]_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :{}_ < 1257809067 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also — < 1257809068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[C-INTERCAL has long shipped with code to make it run better on Emacs; < 1257809068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly this is biased. This latest beta, therefore, includes support < 1257809068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for syntax-highlighting for vi, in the hope of redressing the balance.]] < 1257809068 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a lie; vim is not vi < 1257809073 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in theory, it should work on anything < 1257809077 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ouch, good catch < 1257809077 0 :{}_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1257809080 0 :{}_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason for this < 1257809083 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Emacs is close enough to a synonym as GNU Emacs, but vi is not vim by a long shot) < 1257809085 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly, the only solution is to patch vi so it works on that too < 1257809090 0 :{}_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that {}_ and []_ maps differently on hyperion < 1257809095 0 :{}_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but won't on their future ircd < 1257809096 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus making the statement technically correct < 1257809106 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they did that it's called elvis :P < 1257809116 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, in that case the statement's technically correct already < 1257809119 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I needn't worry < 1257809120 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1257809122 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was joking < 1257809130 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elvis is The Other Extended Vi < 1257809134 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't vim compatible or anything < 1257809137 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's older than vim, IIRC < 1257809145 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(elvis is more minimal than vim, naturally) < 1257809150 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is vim genetically vi? < 1257809152 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is no < 1257809162 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vim is kind of un-vilike < 1257809174 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but people who want a vi just ignore the vimmy parts because it's the most modern vi clone at its core < 1257809201 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{}_: http://search.cpan.org/~dconway/Acme-Don-t-1.01/t.pm was linked from reddit today, I'm hoping the syntax will horrify you sufficiently < 1257809212 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I'm the sort of person who'd rather have a vim than a vi < 1257809213 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway, static binaries + a.out + tiny kernel with lots of things omitted and some uncommon choices + newlib + non-gcc compiler (probably pcc) < 1257809223 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you think C-INTERCAL would work? < 1257809233 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: if it doesn't, that's a bug < 1257809243 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1257809246 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, if it doesn't work on a PDP-11, that's a bug < 1257809247 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but do you think it will? I guess so < 1257809252 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not entirely sure how easy that would be to test < 1257809271 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the reason the most recent release was marked beta was that it hasn't been tested at all on anything but Linux) < 1257809273 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pdp-11 emulators are available, I believe < 1257809292 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: I went to a load of effort trying to make autotools act how it actually should act < 1257809295 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than how it does ac < 1257809297 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*act < 1257809298 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think I tried it on OS X at one point < 1257809299 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and reported on it < 1257809303 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all that portability effort has to go somwhere < 1257809312 0 :{}_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : {}_: http://search.cpan.org/~dconway/Acme-Don-t-1.01/t.pm was linked from reddit today, I'm hoping the syntax will horrify you sufficiently *looks* < 1257809331 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that *looks* is very ambiguously attributed < 1257809337 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: don't worry, making this distro will result in my becoming an expert at mangling autotools systetms < 1257809339 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually there is a real PDP-11 online somewhere < 1257809339 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*systems < 1257809345 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i will hate it < 1257809350 0 :{}_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it makes me laugh < 1257809350 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can toggle in your own bootloaders even < 1257809354 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more fun, Perl doesn't exactly allow ' in identifiers, which might be your first reaction on seeing that < 1257809359 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet the code is still syntactically correct < 1257809388 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sub don't (&) {} < 1257809395 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is it distinguishable from not allowing them? < 1257809397 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very simple source, yes < 1257809401 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: it's namespacing < 1257809406 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't is legacy syntax for don::t < 1257809421 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the module itself is ACME::Don::t < 1257809422 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1257809428 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering why it was Don::t < 1257809435 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apostrophes are an ADAism aren't they? < 1257809439 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: yes < 1257809454 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, Ada is very strongly one of the languages that INTERCAL isn't < 1257809457 0 :{}_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : more fun, Perl doesn't exactly allow ' in identifiers, which might be your first reaction on seeing that <-- it doesn't? didn't know < 1257809471 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: C-INTERCAL does funny stuff with the stack, doesn't it? < 1257809471 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{}_: seriously, how many languages allow ' in identifiers? < 1257809475 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Haskell < 1257809478 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1257809481 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FORTH < 1257809484 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Special thanks go to Joris Huizer, Elliot Hird, Arvid Norlander, < 1257809484 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU < 1257809486 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALGOL-68 < 1257809487 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1257809490 0 :{}_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, erlang? using backslashes < 1257809499 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: not really, it messes around with setjmp and longjmp but it's all in a strictly portable way < 1257809499 0 :{}_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, like 'an\'atom' < 1257809500 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: ? < 1257809508 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or common lisp using < 1257809510 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| < 1257809511 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in |don't| < 1257809515 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: Two Ts two Ts two Ts! < 1257809520 0 :{}_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, probably scheme too? < 1257809523 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1257809528 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scheme has a'b as a (quote b) < 1257809529 0 :{}_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm kay < 1257809536 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: what if you use vertical bars too? < 1257809550 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: portable in theory yes, but in practice? < 1257809552 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, btw, I rewrote the elisp CGI script in Perl, to save my sanity < 1257809555 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it only took about an hour < 1257809563 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strangely, the result wasn't a CGI script, it turned out that that bit was unnecessary < 1257809563 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :joey hess reported a C-INTERCAL bug? haha < 1257809573 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: he /was/ its maintainer < 1257809574 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for ages < 1257809578 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never kne < 1257809580 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/$/w/ < 1257809590 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian maintainer, that is < 1257809594 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so he was downstream, I was upstream < 1257809596 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1257809607 0 :{}_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :joey hess? < 1257809620 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently he's done quite a lot of things < 1257809626 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's ironic that I only know him via INTERCAL < 1257809667 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Joey Hess is the main guy behind Debian-Installer, all-round Debian guy, Palm Pre hacker, creator of ikiwiki... < 1257809683 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ikiwiki probably being the most publicly visible of those < 1257809693 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh accomplished people envy envy envy < 1257809742 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't call him exactly accomplished; he had a post on his blog recently about he pays for almost nothing by sheer luck iirc < 1257809746 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may be misremembering it slightly < 1257809754 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool, though, definitely < 1257809826 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/nethack/ add another item: "nethack player" < 1257809876 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a copy of his C-INTERCAL Debianisation git repo < 1257809879 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to prevent it being lost < 1257809942 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that anyone at Debian's been particularly eager to unorphan the package... < 1257810034 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll maintain a package for $distro_name! < 1257810040 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1257810190 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1257810493 0 :{}_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you could call it that < 1257810496 0 :{}_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$distro_name < 1257810499 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :methinks not < 1257810499 0 :{}_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1257810503 0 :{}_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not < 1257810508 0 :{}_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be nice < 1257810516 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dns forbids me for naming a domain that. < 1257810520 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*from < 1257810524 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid standards. < 1257810538 0 :{}_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, good point < 1257810804 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)