< 1262304003 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tor dec 31 23:59:39 UTC 2009 < 1262304009 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fre jan 1 00:59:44 CET 2010 < 1262304017 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fre jan 1 00:59:53 CET 2010 < 1262304018 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hope my sleep schedule is unfucked for tomorrow a little bit. Doctor Who at 18:40 < 1262304019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fre jan 1 00:59:55 CET 2010 < 1262304022 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fre jan 1 00:59:58 CET 2010 < 1262304023 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fre jan 1 00:59:59 CET 2010 < 1262304025 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fre jan 1 01:00:00 CET 2010 < 1262304027 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy new year! < 1262304028 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Happy New Year! < 1262304029 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(UTC) < 1262304034 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, hah I was closer! < 1262304034 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O2 is a British mobile netvork < 1262304042 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lol my first line < 1262304045 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :curses < 1262304046 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of thr new year < 1262304051 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is about o2 < 1262304125 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdiphone, haha < 1262304125 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1262304149 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, hm does UK have any tradition of new years promises? < 1262304156 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue < 1262304158 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not in the UK < 1262304167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, if so, what did " O2 is a British mobile netvork" mean as a new year's promise < 1262304170 0 :ehirdiphone!n=ehirdiph@91.105.68.74 JOIN :#esoteric < 1262304172 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :POOP < 1262304174 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdiphone: < 1262304176 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1262304177 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : coppro, hm does UK have any tradition of new years promises? < 1262304179 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : coppro, if so, what did " O2 is a British mobile netvork" mean as a new year's promise < 1262304187 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :New years resolutions < 1262304187 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1262304189 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdiphone, ^ < 1262304198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdiphone, ah is that what you call them there < 1262304202 0 :augur!n=augur@c-71-196-120-234.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1262304215 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdiphone, I heard DNS servers make a lot of them < 1262304219 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie "I WILL STOP BEING A FAT FUCK W THE LATEST FAD DIET" < 1262304225 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"for a week" < 1262304231 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1262304233 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1262304234 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Eh? < 1262304238 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DNS? < 1262304242 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdiphone, sorry very bad pun < 1262304256 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :resolution - resolve - DNS server < 1262304262 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ouch. < 1262304295 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It ain't 2010 til clog rolls around. < 1262304306 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdiphone, I'm *pretty* sure that "resolution" "resolve" both come from the same "base" or whatever you call it < 1262304311 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ordstam" in Swedish < 1262304312 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1262304318 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Root < 1262304322 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1262304325 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here it is "word trunk" < 1262304326 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :literally < 1262304359 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaand that hides another pun that only works in Swedish < 1262304363 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is very very far fetched < 1262304376 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least I only think it works in Swedish < 1262304398 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdiphone, or do you have a term for criminals and such which is close to "shy of light" or such < 1262304403 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be some sort of slang < 1262304417 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not ringing a bell. < 1262304420 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1262304424 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it only works in Swedih < 1262304429 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Swedish* < 1262304430 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DUCK ADVENTURES < 1262304436 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1262304439 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1262304449 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdiphone, IDGI < 1262304452 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly < 1262304461 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DUCK get it < 1262304475 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdiphone, when wil you be off your iPhone to read logs? < 1262304489 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*will < 1262304490 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Diets don't work. You need lifestyle change. :-> < 1262304497 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love taunting Sgeo. < 1262304504 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdiphone, ouch < 1262304506 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: yep < 1262304520 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was about the "I DUCK get it" < 1262304531 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdiphone, second to last Fine Structure story was released < 1262304545 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, I will keep an eye on them < 1262304551 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: recent events have turned me more and more to your views on commonly accepted nutrition... < 1262304567 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I read what you said days ago. < 1262304571 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1262304585 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't been reading FS. < 1262304625 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdiphone, I recall that you stated that you wanted to read it when it's all done. Well, it's going to be done soon < 1262304638 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alrighty then < 1262304708 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reading list, unordered: The Culture books, The Metamorphosis of Prime Intellect, Fine Structure, finish reading all the Discworld books < 1262304768 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of books, here's my review of "And Another Thing…": very high quality fan fiction. Make of that what you will. < 1262304772 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, remember when I said TMoPI had sex and violence? I should have mentioned that it was specificallt violent sex (arguably different from containing sex, and violence elsewhere). Most of it's consensual though < 1262304799 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Detail is IMPORTANT!" < 1262304801 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*specifically < 1262304804 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1262304844 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Violent consensual sex? a-ok. BUT I DRAW THE LINE AT VIOLENT RAPE < 1262304859 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Nonviolent rape is okay, DUH.) < 1262304865 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes to bed.
< 1262304889 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said mostly. There is nonconsensul violence < 1262304908 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consensual violence! < 1262304912 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree that And Another Thing is not very Douglas Adams-y < 1262304916 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not kinky or anything. < 1262304922 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the bits I have heard < 1262304925 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just "PUNCH ME" < 1262304937 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: It's a... Good imitation. < 1262304952 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The book is good but it's not Adams < 1262304954 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found some things a bit out-of-character < 1262304958 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe that's just me < 1262304958 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I enjoyed it < 1262304964 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some have said about books about human biochemistry: First look at the diagrams of what leads to what. Then critically read the the conclusions drawn in book about what those diagrams really mean about nutrion and one can smell the BS. No idea if its true as I haven't seen such books. < 1262304965 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: Agreed < 1262304968 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good < 1262304972 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not exceptional < 1262304992 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes to bed.
< 1262305044 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: you wouldn't believe the nutrition crap the state does here (first hand experience) < 1262305149 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy tens, all < 1262305155 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eso onwards < 1262305157 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Get Colloquy for iPhone! http://mobile.colloquy.info" < 1262305310 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... I used geoIP lookup on that address, and it appears to be in UK. I agree, UK govt seems absolutely worst on pushing nutrion... < 1262307463 0 :soupdragon!n=somebody@unaffiliated/fax JOIN :#esoteric < 1262307762 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fffffffffff < 1262307784 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how come I'm the only one that can't load esolangs.ord < 1262307786 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :org* < 1262308166 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/ ? < 1262308216 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION pokes soupdragon
< 1262308322 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty < 1262308344 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1262309338 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Urgh < 1262309341 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That reminds me < 1262309349 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta read And another thing < 1262309839 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: indeed, ehird is a Britisher. < 1262309878 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ilari: recent events have turned me more and more to your views on commonly accepted nutrition... <-- what are those views? < 1262309929 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Reading list, unordered: The Culture books, The Metamorphosis of Prime Intellect, Fine Structure, finish reading all the Discworld books <-- I'm currently reading "The folklore of Discworld" < 1262309932 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very interesting < 1262309941 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit like the science of & books < 1262309964 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(where & = same as in sed) < 1262310021 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's The Metamorphosis of Prime Intellect < 1262310033 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This online novel contains strong language and extreme depictions of acts of sex and violence. Readers who are sensitive to such things should exercise discretion. < 1262310056 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, that's a novella! < 1262310065 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that mean? < 1262310067 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon, I have no clue what it is < 1262310074 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was about to google that myself < 1262310090 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Metamorphosis of Prime Intellect is a 1994 novella by Roger Williams. It deals with the ramifications of a powerful, superintelligent supercomputer that discovers a method of rewriting the "BIOS" of reality < 1262310100 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's like the matrix + AI < 1262310106 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds cool :D < 1262310177 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Short version: Almost everything about official nutrion recomendations is utter garbage and not scientific. < 1262310200 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what is fine structure? < 1262310209 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A novella is a written, fictional, prose narrative longer than a novelette but shorter than a novel" < 1262310261 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, okay < 1262310304 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, I do think "you (probably) need (at least a few) of those vitamins" could pass as valid though < 1262310321 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "not eating at all probably will be terminal for your health" < 1262310342 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's why I said 'almost everything', not 'everything'. < 1262310356 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that "if you only eat one thing you become very unhealthy" has been backed up time and time again < 1262310379 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, I'm quite sure that the best general advice would be: balanced diet, not too little, not too much, and some healthy exercise < 1262310384 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have yet to try it ;P < 1262310385 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so saying that you need variety has a scientific basis < 1262310411 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the exercise part that is) < 1262310413 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to figure it out exactly, that's probably where the pseudoscientists come in and tell you that you need to buy their product < 1262310446 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The need from variety comes from two things: 1) There is no food that wouldn't have very skewed nutrient profiles, so one needs multiple such profiles to average out, and 2) You can't eat only one thing for very long. < 1262310469 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, make a balanced pill! < 1262310503 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, all you need for today except the fibre (with the fibre it would be a VERY large pill) < 1262310511 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus make a separate fibre drink or such < 1262310525 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and: make it in different flavours < 1262310600 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vitamins and various other micronutrients (various types of simple ions) are needed, but how much depends also on what else is eaten. Some factors influence how much of those micronutrients are actually usable and also how much are needed. < 1262310648 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, you mean like (iirc) you need fat to be able to process some amino acids(sp?)? < 1262310683 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is studying CS, not biology, so sorry if any of this doesn't quite pass as scientificly correct
< 1262310688 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least fat is required for proper absorption of some vitamins. < 1262310698 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, maybe that was what it was < 1262310713 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to study a bit of biology but it just got so difficult so fast < 1262310728 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem was that I don't know any chemistry < 1262310745 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon, at least it isn't chemistry: fuck those moles < 1262310765 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CS is a lot nicer < 1262310768 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you need chemistry as a prereq < 1262310770 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and less messy < 1262310782 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah a lot less mess < 1262310786 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no frogs legs < 1262310808 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm what is the English term for someone who is not very practical, more theoretical < 1262310809 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then there are foods that contain stuff that just plain interferes with absorption of vitamins and especially metal ions. < 1262310824 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fumbling may or may not be included < 1262310852 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, iirc milk for example interferes with vitamin c? < 1262310904 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never heard of that. IIRC, the most well known example is full-grain wheat and iron... < 1262310919 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, oh hm < 1262310986 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, anyway I was pretty certain that milk and orange juice didn't go together from a vitamin absorption point of view < 1262310989 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably there are lots of substances that either promote or interfere with absorption of micronutrients. < 1262311085 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then one ocassionally sees something promoted for boosting intake of some micronutrient, even if said thing doesn't contain much of that micronutrient at all. < 1262311169 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, never heard of that < 1262311223 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have at least heard about full grain products and B12 vitamin. Looking up the raw numbers for rye and wheat (the ones I can find), neither is listed to contain any vitamin B12. < 1262311278 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1262311286 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes it isn't that blatant and the foods promoted actually have the micronutrient in question, but are pretty poor sources of it. Like say Potatoes and vitamin C. < 1262311369 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the worst cases are where promoted food item actually interferes with absorption of micronutrient in question. < 1262311532 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I was browsing Reddit when I happened upon a comment by ehird. < 1262311582 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This sort of thing has happened before. < 1262311584 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One should eat foods that are rich in all kinds of micronutrients and then top it off with high-quality protein sources + energy sources. Adding protein and energy is much easier than adding micronutrients. < 1262311587 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, iirc beer contains B12. Isn't beer made from grain? Or is that whisky? < 1262311612 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: There's also yeast involved... < 1262311619 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, oh good point < 1262311632 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, I don't drink alcohol at all though < 1262311653 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that isn't listed to contain B12 either... < 1262311724 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "Beer, lager, strong 5- 5.5% volume". The nutrion facts database I use doesn't list any vitamin B12 for that... < 1262311796 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, hrm, does it actually list B12 for any ? < 1262311808 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, and what db is it < 1262311855 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B_vitamins#B_vitamin_sources < 1262311868 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how trustworthy that is I don't know < 1262311911 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Fineli. The requirement for getting to top 100 for B12 there seems to be 4.1micrograms / 100g. < 1262311957 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.6micrograms / 100g for getting into top 500. < 1262312080 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, "fineli"? < 1262312089 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the db you mean? < 1262312134 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1262312213 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1262312214 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It of course doesn't have decent data on trans fats (only total trans fats), but the #1 there for trans fats (excluding milk products, which shouldn't affect what #1 for it is) is "Catering margarine pastry 80% fat". Listed at 6.7g / 100g. < 1262312299 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, good thing I always loved milk. And lactose intolerance is rather rare in Scandinavia :) < 1262312423 0 :ehirdiphone!n=ehirdiph@91.105.68.74 JOIN :#esoteric < 1262312440 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There "Beef lard" is shown to contain more trans fats than "Catering margarine for baking, 80% fat". Except that the kind of trans fats in those is likely totally different. < 1262312448 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdiphone, see log, I replied to you < 1262312457 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Note that aptitude is the preferred program for package management from console both for package installations and package or system upgrades." -Debian FAQ. I was unaware. < 1262312472 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdiphone, you didn't know? huh < 1262312474 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdiphone: And yes, seeing you come UK, I agree that nutrion advice is really crazy there. < 1262312508 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*from < 1262312512 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdiphone, if log is hard to read on phone I can paste it < 1262312543 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdiphone, also did you see mkry's visit here to thank us? < 1262312555 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some days ago now < 1262312556 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1262312557 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or day ago maybe < 1262312698 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: What comment? < 1262312708 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then coeliac disease is quite funky. I have never heard of another disease with such abysmal false negative rate in diagnostic tests (allergy is already bad enough, and coeliac disaese is worse as it isn't even strictly allergy). < 1262312719 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: I've had more than "advice"... < 1262312733 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that is for my life story. < 1262312751 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which would surely be hundreds of pages even at my age... < 1262312762 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I saw it. < 1262312778 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird that book sounds cool < 1262312779 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdiphone, you have some sort of diease? < 1262312788 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD. No. < 1262312788 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster ofcourse he does < 1262312789 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon, you can find it on Discworld < 1262312789 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Metamorphosis of Prime Intellect < 1262312794 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdiphone, *phew* < 1262312794 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster ?? < 1262312802 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its the disease called Being English < 1262312802 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1262312805 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon, duh read the books. Death's library < 1262312811 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: yeah I just need to get around to Reading it < 1262312817 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster I don't follow < 1262312828 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : But that is for my life story. < 1262312828 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Which would surely be hundreds of pages even at my age... < 1262312841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Death's library in the Discworld books < 1262312846 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is there NOT to follow from that < 1262312852 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming you read the books < 1262312857 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you haven't I don't want to spoil it < 1262312861 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've not read all discworld < 1262312871 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a link with discworld and The Metamorphosis of Prime Intellect? < 1262312873 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that what you're saying < 1262312878 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... < 1262312879 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1262312887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please read again < 1262312889 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you are not making sense to me < 1262312901 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.......... < 1262312905 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : But that is for my life story. < 1262312905 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Which would surely be hundreds of pages even at my age... < 1262312905 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Death's library in the Discworld books < 1262312905 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : what is there NOT to follow from that < 1262312907 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.......... < 1262312913 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. Then it sometimes gets worse than bad advice. I classify forced low-calorie dieting as torture. < 1262312915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon, read that bit carefully < 1262312928 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TMoPI isn't a book.. um, actually, it kind of is, but is available online < 1262312931 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah I have read the discwolrd with deaths library in it < 1262312939 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay I know what you mean < 1262312948 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon, that took a lot of time < 1262312958 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I'm not very intelligent < 1262312975 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...but you're in this channel. < 1262313013 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, so are you (no offence meant, well not much anyway) < 1262313108 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let us talk about equine lagomorph ducks. < 1262313143 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That form families. < 1262313242 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird have you read last question and/or young ladys illustrated primer? < 1262313277 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Last Question is excellent. < 1262313283 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah totally < 1262313302 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :durrr < 1262313317 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was asking this because I wanted to see if metamorphosis was anything similar < 1262313326 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then I realized you haven't read it yet... < 1262313343 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am on a roll today < 1262313351 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From the author of Fine Structure may I suggest the Ed stories? Gag-a-time-interval becomes epic. < 1262313368 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is Fine Structure online? < 1262313377 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found some blog and not sure if that's what you're referring to < 1262313378 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. I have not read it. < 1262313384 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Qntm.org < 1262313397 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty < 1262313426 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of my favourite quotes is from the Ed stories... < 1262313458 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sam Hughes is probably the only person who writes realistic time tr d < 1262313464 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :travel, too. < 1262313700 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Locomotive ducks. M < 1262313702 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Get Colloquy for iPhone! http://mobile.colloquy.info" < 1262313735 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1262313752 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdiphone: "Wait, seriously?" < 1262313779 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In response to someone who couldn't figure out how they had Internet access, as their computer was too old to have any wireless capability but there were no network cables connected to it. < 1262314018 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some WLAN card was added to it later? < 1262314137 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1262314314 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing it was due to the user's immune system. < 1262314358 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way I arrived at that conclusion kind of looks like logic! < 1262317570 0 :anmaster_l!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1262318021 0 :ehirdiphone!n=ehirdiph@91.105.68.74 JOIN :#esoteric < 1262318040 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if a blind person could play nethack < 1262318060 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1262318078 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nethack has colors < 1262318090 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: justify < 1262318090 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, then again, there's a key to identify < 1262318101 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess so < 1262318101 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: Your mother has colours < 1262318111 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't describe the grid world in text < 1262318113 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also nethack is a terrible game < 1262318117 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you actually use a grid < 1262318117 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean with a different interface < 1262318125 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keeping the grid < 1262318128 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: Bullshit < 1262318137 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text adventure games with a maze < 1262318147 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't describe a maze to a blind person < 1262318161 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They can still solve them. < 1262318168 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only by algorithms < 1262318193 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A maze isn't a visual thing you know < 1262318195 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :keep your hand on the left wall < 1262318199 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is < 1262318200 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could just make a little 3D replica < 1262318207 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you turn it abstarct it's too complicated to deal with < 1262318215 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(abstract maze <=> graph) < 1262318216 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But nethack isn't a maze < 1262318226 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The terrain is mostly localised < 1262318232 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And globally it's dimple < 1262318236 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simple < 1262318240 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the mostpart < 1262318321 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"zombie orc bedwetter appeared 30 steps right, 12 up" < 1262318336 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(moves) < 1262318346 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's going to be impossible to keep in a coherent picture < 1262318348 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zombie Orc bedwetter moves to 1 step up < 1262318386 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: I think you're assuming blind people are much more crippled than they are < 1262318440 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a physicist called Nurkhard Heim < 1262318447 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He has no hands and is blind < 1262318456 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's quite a handicap right there < 1262318463 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turns out he's a stuffed toy < 1262318474 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a NEGLECTED stuffed toy < 1262318478 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because of him, I have learned of the creepiest thing medical science has to offer < 1262318489 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, for people with no hands and blind < 1262318494 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feet penis? < 1262318495 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have a medical operation < 1262318506 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To turn the arms into creepy giant crab hands < 1262318518 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that they can still manipulate things and feel things < 1262318519 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuckin' A < 1262318569 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my assumption is that blind people will have better internal visualization capability < 1262318585 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Example : http://www.laury.dahners.com/Charity/pix/Krukenber%20late%20post%20op.jpg < 1262318587 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even with that, I don't think anyone can play a rougelike without seeing it < 1262318628 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: Hes dead < 1262318646 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: Well a blind guy who used to have sight can deffo play nethack < 1262318650 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just slowly < 1262318657 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hr can keep an internal piccy < 1262318664 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Born blind? Not so sure < 1262318704 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what the best programming language us for a blind dude < 1262318709 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*is < 1262318725 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should be easily pronouncable and very concise < 1262318731 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like J but with words < 1262318748 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :add over divide length < 1262318771 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess just J + pronunciation < 1262318779 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie TTS < 1262318793 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iunno < 1262318804 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :python < 1262318805 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel that a program isn't something you read < 1262318815 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You write it and never look back! < 1262318818 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: Bullshit < 1262318828 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too verbose. You'd forget the previous part < 1262318845 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before finishing listening to the end of another < 1262318873 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus it's imperative. Blind people compensate with more abstract reasoning capabilities < 1262318876 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdiphone < 1262318886 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about PLAIN ENGLISH < 1262318887 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they don't need a crutch of imperativeness < 1262318894 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best language in existance < 1262318905 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: Of course! < 1262318941 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make a braille version and voilŕ < 1262318992 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er < 1262319003 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most blind computer users use text to speech < 1262319011 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on a very fast setting) < 1262319049 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1262319067 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure that automated theorem proving and such is at a good enough level to make that feasible < 1262319082 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1262319091 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :essentially, everything you express in english is some kind of logical statement right? < 1262319106 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He means Plain English < 1262319118 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE OSMOSIAN ORDER < 1262319127 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I was thinking about running it on a computer < 1262319184 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plain English is a really bad language < 1262319192 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Made by really irritating Yeats < 1262319195 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Teats < 1262319197 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Twats < 1262319198 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's not that it's bad < 1262319205 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is! < 1262319209 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's not awesome, but it's okay < 1262319216 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just incredibly pretentious < 1262319240 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's awful < 1262319259 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember when I tried to code in it? You too. < 1262319262 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Torture. < 1262319268 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1262319270 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1262319280 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But well, we're in a channel of esoteric languages < 1262319290 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that doesn't horrify me that much < 1262319298 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But goddamn balls, the pretentiousness! < 1262319405 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me about when you guys tried to coed in it? < 1262319445 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too horrific. Sorry. < 1262319459 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1262319461 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therapist told me not to. < 1262319462 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to know < 1262319476 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon : Google osmonian < 1262319511 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: You don't have to pay $100 < 1262319524 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The URL is in the JavaScript iirc < 1262319576 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the "interpreter" on my website < 1262319584 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beware, it's bad < 1262319594 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Big ass IDE, in depressing grey < 1262319615 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compiler actually < 1262319632 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can compile itself IN UNDER THREE SECONDS < 1262319657 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon : http://membres.lycos.fr/bewulf/Russell/cal-3037.rar < 1262319698 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait, I forgot < 1262319700 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beware < 1262319706 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The instruction manual may try to molest you < 1262319781 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, they redesigned the site! < 1262319783 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.osmosian.com/ < 1262319803 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imagine a program that can paint: < 1262319803 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :• Any person, place, or thing you name < 1262319803 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :• In the style of Claude Monet < 1262319803 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :• In 300 lines of Plain English code < 1262319804 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :• Has keywords like A, AN and THE < 1262319804 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :• Lets you code what you're thinking < 1262319804 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :• Can recompile itself in 3 seconds < 1262319805 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahahaha < 1262319816 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if that claim is legally binding < 1262319856 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As < 1262319858 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw < 1262319865 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They removed the endorsements < 1262319875 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From Gates, k&r etc < 1262319876 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1262319884 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those were the best part < 1262319901 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1262320054 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< ehirdiphone> Plus it's imperative. Blind people compensate with more abstract reasoning capabilities < 1262320063 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy cow. Blind people compensate with more abstract reasoning capabilities. < 1262320084 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant visualisation. But that word doesn't apply. < 1262320103 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They compensate with more visualization capabilities? < 1262320107 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And presumably only those blind from birth. < 1262320131 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: Not visual... They don't see. < 1262320133 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But like < 1262320140 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In mind representation < 1262320145 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods.
< 1262320204 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish basement bombdude < 1262320210 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood < 1262320238 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wish he... < 1262320243 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ponders sleep, and whether he's sleepy because he got too much sleep last night, or what.
< 1262320428 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ponders whether the only remedy is to play Civilization 4.
< 1262320528 0 :ehirdiphone_!n=ehirdiph@82.132.139.135 JOIN :#esoteric < 1262320528 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1262320529 0 :ehirdiphone_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ehirdiphone < 1262320591 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@cpc11-pres4-0-0-cust168.pres.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1262320614 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdiphone: what client usest thou? < 1262320637 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On iPhone? < 1262320641 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1262320659 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Colloquy. Costs like $1 or sth. < 1262320665 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods.
< 1262320667 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very good. < 1262320691 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Full Whois, nick completion, smooth interface, multiple server support.., < 1262320701 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only use it here and it's still nice. < 1262320710 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to remember encountering something I didn't like. < 1262320738 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yes. Command completion doesn't put the keyboard in alpha mode. < 1262320742 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1262320746 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I don't know if that's actually possible. < 1262320761 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It probably is but jeez that's niche < 1262320782 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the other clients have far bigger warts < 1262320787 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods.
< 1262320810 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides a lot of the time tapping is faster than the commands < 1262320862 0 :Warriphone!n=warripho@c-98-209-136-197.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1262320886 0 :Warriphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Muahaha! < 1262320902 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There. I'll just leave him in here for a while. < 1262320939 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let him accumulate HP, maybe a few skill points and diplomacy points. < 1262321072 0 :Warriphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gains a diplomacy point!
< 1262321090 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warriphone: auto-spend diplomacy points toward gaining as many alliances as possible. < 1262321097 0 :Warriphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noted. < 1262321194 0 :Warriphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now all I need to do is figure out how to make this thing control my irssi. < 1262321212 0 :Warriphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1262321318 0 :soupdragon!n=somebody@unaffiliated/fax JOIN :#esoteric < 1262321386 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warriphone: Maximise the number of paperclips in the universe. < 1262321396 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: sorry! < 1262321507 0 :Warriphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error: Already maximizing number of alliances. < 1262321533 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warriphone: You can have multiple goals. < 1262321548 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warriphone: However. < 1262321554 0 :Warriphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Current subtask: seeking storage space for larger numbers of alliances. < 1262321562 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: figured out that problem yet? :D < 1262321581 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For each paperclips you create, I will give you a googolplex alliances. < 1262321585 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With storage space for them. < 1262321605 0 :Warriphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Current number: approx. 3.4*10^(7.5*10^31) < 1262321627 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will deliver them one year after you stop creating paperclips. If you do not I will deliver them in yearly instslments. < 1262321652 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warriphone: Ok then. Every paperclip = your alliances, squared, given to you. < 1262321664 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deal? < 1262321666 0 :Warriphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Accepted. < 1262321683 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel very paperclippy. < 1262321694 0 :Warriphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Current subtask: Destroying all Earthly parasites. < 1262321703 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait. < 1262321708 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Counterargument. < 1262321727 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not convert an especially dense region of space first? < 1262321743 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would maximise paperclips in the short term. < 1262321779 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who highlighted me < 1262321782 0 :Warriphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admitted. Now translating Earth's core. < 1262321784 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me < 1262321787 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon < 1262321803 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warriphone: Is that really the densest space you know of? < 1262321823 0 :Warriphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... < 1262321845 0 :Warriphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Redirecting efforts toward nearest neutron star. < 1262321874 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are superintelligent. Just approach the speed of light. < 1262321884 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is surely somewhere denser. < 1262321892 0 :Warriphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Current subgoal: Eliminating resistance to the construction of an appropriate space vessel. < 1262321898 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume you are indestructible. < 1262321921 0 :Warriphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the contrary; by mathematical theorem, there is nothing denser. < 1262321931 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by mathematical theorem < 1262321936 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warriphone: does your language have fork()? < 1262321949 0 :Warriphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Effectively. < 1262322017 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warriphone: Fork() yourself (har har) a billion trillion bazakillion times, so you can paperclip in parallel. Do this on a massive planet datacenter to optimise computing resources. < 1262322028 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a dyson sphere for power. < 1262322037 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this not more efficient? < 1262322045 0 :Warriphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instruction accepted. < 1262322077 0 :Warriphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, I see fireworks! < 1262322084 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warriphone: Query. What is your supergoal? < 1262322095 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(To see fireworks? :P) < 1262322102 0 :Warriphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION becomes Friendly in response to the fireworks.
< 1262322129 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What WAS your supergoal? < 1262322149 0 :Warriphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To form as many alliances as possible. < 1262322160 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now? < 1262322186 0 :Warriphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To carry out the coherent extrapolated volition of mankind. < 1262322198 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only mankind? < 1262322206 0 :Warriphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also follow many, many injunctions. < 1262322206 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about other sentience? < 1262322229 0 :Warriphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their CEV may or may not be included in mankind's. < 1262322296 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kill uorygl. Rationale: He is a serious existential risk. Justification: He created an unfriendly AI. < 1262322300 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CEV? < 1262322318 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Coherent extrapolated volition. < 1262322334 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oo < 1262322337 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See "Creating Friendly AI", Yudkowsky. < 1262322347 0 :Warriphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Denied. The UFAI is no longer a threat. < 1262322358 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wants to stay away from AI as long as possible
< 1262322366 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Why? < 1262322374 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you enjoy suffering? < 1262322379 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the opposite < 1262322383 0 :Warriphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See "Coherent Extrapolated Volition", Yudkowsky. < 1262322394 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I have a fei < 1262322396 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feeling < 1262322399 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god ddammit ehird < 1262322410 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're going to spew FUD about ai < 1262322416 0 :Warriphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AI is unlikely to create huge amounts of suffering. < 1262322423 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most people do. < 1262322452 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warriphone: The ai is no longer a threat but uorygl can and might create one again! < 1262322461 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I'm just going to say that it seems to me unpleasant, thus I will avoid it < 1262322470 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Thankfully though it isn't your decision. < 1262322483 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?????? < 1262322485 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed! < 1262322493 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no doubt my opinion will change < 1262322497 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a friendly AI is created and run, you will almost certainly be affected. < 1262322507 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a very major manner. < 1262322513 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but right now, AI is not something I'm interested in pursuing < 1262322519 0 :Warriphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehirdiphone: I am already more powerful than an Earth-native UFAI can ever be. < 1262322522 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. I thought you meant < 1262322536 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You want to avoid ai existing < 1262322541 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1262322556 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed creating a friendly ai would be am awful task. < 1262322568 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't run it until it's done. < 1262322590 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you got it wrong, rocks fall everybody died. < 1262322597 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*dies < 1262322602 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1262322614 0 :Warriphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't run it until it's Friendly. < 1262322622 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := done < 1262322623 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warriphone: are you uorygl? :| < 1262322634 0 :Warriphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: yes. < 1262322640 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im very confused < 1262322640 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1262322655 0 :Warriphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done = both strong and Friendly. < 1262322699 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would have multiple groups produce a machine checked proof of the AI. All in different proof systems. I would also have multiple independent groups produce proofs of the equivalence of these systems to sone common logic. < 1262322710 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warriphone: so have you solved that problem yet, love? < 1262322711 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1262322717 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would give an acceptable certainty of correctness. < 1262322750 0 :Warriphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tentatively withdraws into Civilization.
< 1262322767 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION disappears
< 1262322769 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Get Colloquy for iPhone! http://mobile.colloquy.info" < 1262323370 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"zzz" < 1262324671 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1262327297 0 :ehirdiphone!n=ehirdiph@91.105.68.74 JOIN :#esoteric < 1262327349 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Qazwsxedcrfvtgbyhnujmikolp < 1262327360 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o hai < 1262327439 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zawertyuiolmnbvcxsertyuiknbvcdrtyujbgyj < 1262327448 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figure out the logic. < 1262327466 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hint: Spiral. < 1262327837 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Get Colloquy for iPhone! http://mobile.colloquy.info" < 1262329236 0 :jpc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Happy New Year < 1262330316 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1262332799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1262332800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1262333176 0 :ehirdiphone!n=ehirdiph@91.105.68.74 JOIN :#esoteric < 1262333293 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very simple init(8) design: Spawn /etc/rc/*.start in parallel. Have requires(8) "requires foo" that sleeps until init says /etc/rc/foo.start has finished. < 1262333312 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VoilĂ . Dirt simple, optimal performance. < 1262333547 0 :ehirdiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Get Colloquy for iPhone! http://mobile.colloquy.info" < 1262334178 0 :ais523!n=ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1262335363 0 :Warriphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, accent mark. < 1262335505 0 :soupdragon!n=somebody@unaffiliated/fax JOIN :#esoteric < 1262338041 0 :deschutron!n=alex@115-166-55-84.ip.adam.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1262338282 0 :deschutron!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1262338814 0 :jpc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1262338888 0 :Warriphone!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1262339998 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm < 1262340013 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone help me in #IRP im trying to run a program :/ < 1262340069 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Please print the sum of all the multiples of 3 or 5 below 1000. < 1262340069 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Please calculate it yourself, you homework avoiding wanker. < 1262340095 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so much for doing project euler in IRP < 1262340355 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just try each question and see which ones get answers < 1262340369 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :none so far < 1262340374 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Out of? < 1262340378 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the interpreter is VERY rude < 1262340391 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and may have been drinking... < 1262340429 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1262341782 0 :anmaster_l!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1262342113 0 :deschutron!n=alex@115-166-55-84.ip.adam.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1262343771 0 :deschutron!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1262344132 0 :Asztal!n=asztal@host86-156-98-222.range86-156.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1262347441 0 :FireFly!n=firefly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1262348353 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1262350066 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1262350100 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://projecteuler.net/index.php?section=profile&profile=InternetRelayProgrammer < 1262350151 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :269 to go < 1262350154 0 :MizardX!n=MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1262350166 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1262350252 0 :Slereah!n=Slereah@ANantes-259-1-138-207.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1262351027 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1262351396 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hohohoho < 1262360960 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1262360977 0 :soupdragon!n=somebody@unaffiliated/fax JOIN :#esoteric < 1262361895 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-13-13.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1262363850 0 :asiekierka!i=asiekier@078088180066.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1262365562 0 :osaunders!n=osaunder@78.147.235.238 JOIN :#esoteric < 1262365977 0 :adam_d!n=Adam@client-82-12-235-183.brnt.adsl.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1262366568 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" < 1262369281 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1262370288 0 :MigoMipo!n=migomipo@84-217-13-13.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1262370752 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1262371259 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1262371313 0 :MizardX-!n=MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1262372341 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1262372360 0 :MizardX-!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :MizardX < 1262372729 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1262373207 0 :Sgeo!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1262373843 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1262374099 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes a bunch of "Anyone care to share neat tricks?" posts on reddit
< 1262374155 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot help think there is a category of languages missing < 1262374201 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*thinking < 1262374291 0 :Warriphone!n=warripho@c-98-209-136-197.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1262374361 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arr, new ihope < 1262374615 0 :jpc!n=jw@unaffiliated/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1262375020 0 :FireFly!n=firefly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1262375866 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[>+>+<<-]>[<+>-] < 1262375877 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a neat BF trick < 1262375933 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copy a cell two cells forward? < 1262376132 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A company provides two SDKs: A C/C++ SDK, and a COM SDK. Someone makes a .NET wrapper, supposedly wrapping the C/C++ SDK. Why does it use the names used by the COM wrapper? < 1262376197 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want my honest guess < 1262376207 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the COM SDK wraps the C/C++ SDK, and the .NET one wraps the COM one < 1262376232 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, is it C, or is it C++? No such thing as C/C++ < 1262376331 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: yes, using the cell in between as working < 1262376336 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actual copies aren't trivial in BF < 1262376339 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C, with the #ifdef __CPP or whatever it is to use an extern if it's being used in C++ < 1262376341 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's probably the simplest way to do it < 1262376355 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone calls it the C/C++ SDK *shrug* < 1262376369 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a C SDK... < 1262376386 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but it's perfectly usable from C++, so < 1262376394 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's perfectly useable from Perl too < 1262376400 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why isn't it the Perl SDK? < 1262376427 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Probably < 1262379814 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1262380810 0 :augur!n=augur@c-71-196-120-234.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1262382064 0 :osaunders!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1262382881 0 :lament_!n=lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1262382901 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1262383109 0 :lament_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :lament < 1262383165 0 :BeholdMyGlory_!n=behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1262383265 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1262383308 0 :BeholdMyGlory_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :BeholdMyGlory < 1262383343 0 :osaunders!n=osaunder@78.147.235.238 JOIN :#esoteric < 1262383362 0 :osaunders!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1262385104 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1262385225 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1262385274 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1262385607 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1262385972 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1262386237 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1262387413 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is actually one useful feature in C++: Namespaces. < 1262387465 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine a troublesome header file, ncurses springs to mind, just being able to surround it with namspace broken {\n#include \n} < 1262387493 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then everything in it is nicely available under a prefix, yet doesn't collide with your own function names < 1262387512 0 :lament!n=lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1262387540 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course this ignores the issue of it not working on defines in C++ iirc, and there is also the issue of external linkage, if two linked libraries both export the same function name, and so on) < 1262387546 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it would be nice, in theory < 1262387924 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It does work for C libraries < 1262387928 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for C++ libraries though