< 1263772855 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1263773092 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1263773435 0 :augur!n=augur@c-68-54-80-152.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1263773552 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How dare you say Python sucks??? < 1263773606 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :python is a programming language < 1263773680 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(an awesome one) < 1263773732 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It does. < 1263773971 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Type system sucks: you get types like (draw :: None) and you could pass either a Cowboy or a Pencil for it, which is nonsensical. Types are only checked at runtime. Statements are not expressions. IO is not explicitly declared, and so mysterious side-effects are easy. Lambdas can only contain an expression, thus making them effectively useless because of "statements are not expressions". Creator is an idiot who thinks you don't need tail-call optimisation be < 1263773971 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tail-*recursive* functions can be written as a loop. < 1263773985 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*because < 1263773986 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not be < 1263773987 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid client < 1263774089 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Alexa said "Most visited website"" That is NOT a reason to rate a site as trustworthy or good! < 1263774101 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gee, you didn't complain about that yesterday. < 1263774340 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow feeling slightly related, has an internet mob ever got an innocent person killed yet? < 1263774366 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's bound to happen eventually < 1263774452 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, thinking about it, I'm kind of surprised it hasn't happened yet (perhaps I just missed it though) < 1263774503 0 :ehird_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1263774699 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :bsmntbombgirl < 1263775015 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has an Internet mob ever killed anyone? < 1263775071 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Alexa said "Most visited website"" That is NOT a reason to rate a site as trustworthy or good! <-- context? < 1263775106 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/www.python.org < 1263775119 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same user does it for other sites, including ones that everyone else rates as untrustworthy < 1263775318 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, doesn't seem like a credible site that "mywot" < 1263775489 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night → < 1263775492 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Night < 1263775560 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Web of Trust is credible enough, it's just stupid. < 1263775927 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, you make Python sound like a worse version of Haskell. < 1263775938 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: That's because it is. < 1263775942 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods.
< 1263775943 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most languages are. :P < 1263775983 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, we should take Python and change it so that it's exactly like Haskell. < 1263775994 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We could call it Haskell. < 1263776004 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except it'll still look like this: < 1263776006 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :def main: < 1263776013 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : putStr("Hello, world!\n") < 1263776023 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thereby making it inarguably inferior. < 1263776045 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You said *exactly* like Haskell. < 1263776055 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it'd be main = putStr("Hello, world!\n") < 1263776056 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1263776366 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yeah. "def x:\n 3" and "x = 3" would be equivalent. < 1263776366 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rubbish, it'd be main = putStrLn "Hello, world!" < 1263776381 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :main = putStr("Hello, world!\n") is valid Haskell. < 1263776392 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also valid Python! < 1263776393 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but _so_ unidiomatic < 1263776432 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1263776455 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This would make it actually work the way it looks like it should work: < 1263776460 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :def putStr: < 1263776467 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : some stuff that makes it return a thunk < 1263776478 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :main = putStr("Hello, world!\n") < 1263776479 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :main() < 1263776513 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :python.com? < 1263776518 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*def putStr(x) < 1263776526 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1263776528 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombgirl: Change it so it's exactly like haskell.com. < 1263776539 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUILDING PORN < 1263776648 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1263776679 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Porn depicting edifices? < 1263776680 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsflash: Uranus may contain liquid carbon < 1263776718 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :liquid carbon? < 1263776721 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that work? < 1263776730 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond#Material_properties < 1263776751 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Research results published in an article in the scientific journal Nature in 2010 suggest that at ultrahigh pressures and temperatures (about 10 million atmospheres or 1 TPa and 50,000 °C) diamond behaves as a metallic fluid." < 1263776764 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works by having lots of carbon atoms that attract each other strongly enough that they undergo surface tension but weakly enough that they can move relative to each other. < 1263776782 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And by "move relative to each other", I mean "undergo Brownian motion". < 1263776786 0 :Slereah!n=Slereah@ANantes-259-1-21-45.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1263776819 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how attainable those conditions are < 1263776840 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the rest of the section says, neptune and uranus may have them < 1263776856 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pouring a 50,000 degree metal into my butt sounds like a good idea < 1263776862 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1263776901 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, artificially < 1263777053 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah here is a popular article: http://news.discovery.com/space/diamond-oceans-jupiter-uranus.html < 1263777070 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What makes it diamond if it's liquid? < 1263777080 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/popular/popsci/ < 1263777105 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's like taking wood, vaporizing it, and calling the result wood vapor. < 1263777114 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombgirl: it seems to imply these were actually produced in a laboratory < 1263777237 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Diamond is an incredibly hard material. That alone makes it difficult to melt." my trust in this popsci article is suddenly dropping swiftly :/ < 1263777266 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that was to be expected < 1263777277 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Diamond is the hardest metal < 1263777285 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what happens when it recrystalizes < 1263777288 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@cpc11-pres4-0-0-cust168.pres.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1263777292 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet you could make bigger diamonds that way < 1263777308 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but my intuition tells me it is unlikely that that implies anything directly about its melting < 1263777324 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Diamond doesn't melt, as far as I know < 1263777328 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It BUUUURNS < 1263777332 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's made of carbon < 1263777337 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: incredibly high pressure < 1263777357 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then again < 1263777358 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see the pressure/temperature chart in my wp link above < 1263777361 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's melted < 1263777365 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not diamond < 1263777372 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Diamond is about the crystal structure < 1263777392 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's molten _from_ diamond though < 1263777409 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to from another form < 1263777413 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, it's just a catchy title < 1263777438 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The kind they use to make scientific discoveries more interesting than they really are < 1263777508 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well metallic fluid carbon is pretty interesting in itself < 1263777578 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yet not enough to get in the title :o < 1263777642 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :another interesting fact: the solid form floats on the liquid one < 1263777712 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now we just need diamond-based lifeforms :D < 1263777721 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone called? < 1263777730 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my heart is a ferrofluid < 1263777735 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people don't like being around me, apparently it's noisy < 1263777804 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anvilicious < 1263777998 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would just be so cool if there were methane-based life on titan, diamond-based on uranus and plasma-based in the sun's atmosphere... < 1263778008 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan : You know what else does? < 1263778010 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WATER < 1263778016 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1263778026 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google just uncensored google.cn, apparently < 1263778039 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but iiuc there are very few examples < 1263778070 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: that sounds... dangerous < 1263778084 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, china are going to fly to the us, collectively < 1263778088 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and murder the giant corporation < 1263778089 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least for their employees in china < 1263778096 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1263778098 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still censored < 1263778099 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1263778102 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just lies LIES and LIES < 1263778132 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i assumed. i really doubt google would do something that would risk their chinese employees being arrested < 1263778164 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think they are much more likely to just shut down the office, assuming they don't chicken out < 1263778291 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :lindbohm.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1263778291 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :lindbohm.freenode.net irc.freenode.net < 1263778456 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does google need an office in china, anyway? < 1263778472 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/package/acme-now < 1263778483 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to earn money there? < 1263778493 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :drop a couple datacenters there, obviously < 1263778515 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're going to need someone who understands the culture < 1263778559 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and to deal with the government. < 1263778590 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise they would not have a chance of not getting thrown out, i bet < 1263778664 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you see, no matter how much some people would like it, google is _not_ going to be able to actually fight the chinese government in any way from within the country. that is just absurdly optimistic. < 1263778716 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well, they *did* convince the government of the United States of America to take a good hard look at China because of their illegal actions... < 1263778722 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is quite a lot of power... < 1263778759 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well true... it might help against the actual hacking. but i doubt china will budge many millimeters on the censorship. < 1263778909 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. < 1263778950 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :mycroshift < 1263779622 0 :augur!n=augur@c-68-54-80-152.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1263779622 0 :MizardX!n=MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1263781783 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ./sparkline < 1263781784 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 2 3 2 1 < 1263781784 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :▁▅█▅▁ < 1263781784 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ./sparkline 1 2 3 < 1263781784 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :▁▅█ < 1263781787 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck yeah, Haskell! < 1263781799 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ wc -l sparkline.hs; wc -l ~/bin/sparkline < 1263781800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 32 sparkline.hs < 1263781800 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 36 /Users/ehird/bin/sparkline < 1263781803 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck yeah, Haskell! < 1263782009 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has the vague memory of writing such a program in haskell before, possibly for lambdabot on #haskell
< 1263782022 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~/bin/sparkline is python, btw < 1263782023 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and old < 1263782058 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but does yours handle this? < 1263782059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ sparkline 10000 -3.4 99 2348 9 4888 9000 < 1263782059 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :█▁▁▂▁▄▇ < 1263782100 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not, it was just a quick lambdabot command or something < 1263782121 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ sparkline 1 2 3 4 5 6 < 1263782121 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :▁▂▃▅▆█ < 1263782122 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ sparkline 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 < 1263782122 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :▁▂▃▄▅▆█ < 1263782122 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ sparkline 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 < 1263782122 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :▁▂▃▄▅▆▇█ < 1263782124 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ sparkline 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 < 1263782126 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :▁▁▂▃▄▅▆▇█ < 1263782224 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reading this through the logs, IE doesn't seem to align all those blocks at the bottom < 1263782234 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the last one isn't aligned for me < 1263782237 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the rest are < 1263782254 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer this, though, because without those chars there isn't much resolution < 1263782280 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1263783211 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm looking through all the QBASIC programs I wrote when I was a kid! They're quite adorable. < 1263783256 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also in the same folder were some interesting text documents... very interesting.. < 1263783295 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also lolling at a book report I typed out: "I would recommend this book to a friend because it's a wonderful and exciting book. I loved it because you can't wait to hear what happens next. I adored the adventurous plots Georgie went through but I wished the Goose Prince hadn't died. That's what I think of this book." < 1263783347 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION attempts to reconcile that line with its predecessor, fails
< 1263783376 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's trivial! < 1263783427 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh, what if we let them fight to the death instead < 1263783442 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also some christian fiction piece that I apparently started and thankfully didn't get too far with. ugh. < 1263783552 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That must be really boring fiction, deus ex machinas everywhere < 1263783557 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"And then, Jesus did this thing! AXIOMATICALLY!" < 1263783596 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as I remember, it was more like a god-discovering mary sue < 1263783651 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that I'm reading it, oh jeez. it's such a mary sue :/ < 1263783672 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes is female! < 1263783678 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or transgendered.) < 1263783687 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, or john sue. or something. < 1263783689 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mary sue, jesus. sue jesus, mary < 1263783694 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the male equivalent thereof < 1263783712 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Marty Stu apaprently < 1263783714 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Gary Stu < 1263783786 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha the originator of the term is hilarious < 1263783787 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.fortunecity.com/rivendell/dark/1000/marysue.htm < 1263783848 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking at my dreidel program again... the one where you press keys and win fake gelt < 1263783861 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1263783925 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :das ist so falsch < 1263784280 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can paste a giant ascii dreidel into the channel now if you want :| < 1263784295 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made four varieties in said program. one for each side. < 1263784440 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i assume you were jewish :p < 1263784443 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait, christian < 1263784446 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with... jewish culture? < 1263784482 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is confusing! < 1263784497 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jewish family. which went on the Christian side some time in 2001 < 1263784532 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowadays they attend church weekly. well, two+ times a week < 1263784553 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messianic_Judaism < 1263784591 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nowadays, mostly run of the mill christianity, plus a few jewish holidays < 1263784722 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is now less confused
< 1263784797 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and me, well, with reddit's religion of choice < 1263784833 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hinduism! < 1263784938 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-. < 1263784976 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.- < 1263785218 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism_in_Hinduism < 1263785263 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, yes, we get it, people say atheism when they mean rationalism < 1263785266 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :big news :P < 1263785346 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, atheists believe they are rational < 1263785394 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm actually that should be i think < 1263785398 0 :mycroshift!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i dont quite understand atheism from a strictly rational perspective - because there seems to be this weird implicit acceptance of an arbitrary a priori definition of the word 'god' < 1263785414 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called "the West" < 1263785429 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's < 1263785439 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, perhaps < 1263785486 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroshift: I don't agree < 1263785496 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesntexist(god) doesn't imply makessense(god) < 1263785509 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because things that don't make sense don't exist, obviously < 1263785517 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i disagree! < 1263785527 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making sense to who? < 1263785528 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, an interferer is perfectly sense-making < 1263785535 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well as an omniX one for restricted definitions of omniX < 1263785538 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: as in, logically < 1263785540 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coherent idea < 1263785542 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :consistent < 1263785561 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some definitions of "god" are a coherent idea < 1263785567 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are < 1263785644 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :pikhq < 1263785649 0 :mycroshift!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, obviously there is huge diversity under the label, but sometimes you get the strange sense that rationalists who strongly identify with the atheist label are determined to advance the claim that there is somehow both a 'correct' definition of god - and that it is maximally absurd < 1263785662 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesss < 1263785664 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the worst part of this < 1263785677 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the correct definition of god is some kind of american protestant fundamentalist god < 1263785695 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they buy into the fundamentalist bullshit as surely as the fundamentalists, except don't get any fun out of it < 1263785700 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are definitions of "god" that most would call "incorrect": "God" = table, for instance < 1263785757 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there are levels most atheists recognize. rejecting Christianity, rejecting deism, rejecting theism < 1263785772 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroshift, Epicurus or whoever reminds me of that. "If he is neither willing nor able, then why call it god?" < 1263785813 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but even if there's not a clear consensus definition-wise, there are things atheists tend to reject and accept which are part of atheism < 1263785844 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: so a god that knows everything about the present and past, and can do anything that isn't logically contradicting, including interfering with our world < 1263785846 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you wouldn't call that god? < 1263785858 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :epicurus attacked the idea of a BENEVOLENT god < 1263785859 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a god < 1263785869 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you accept godlike powers + lets evil happening < 1263785871 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I didn't say I agreed with Epicurus < 1263785873 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you have a perfectly consistent, evil god < 1263785886 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would call an evil god a god. < 1263785921 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, actually, that holds true even if I say that anything evil cannot be a god. Let me rephrase that. < 1263785941 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would call an evil thing "that knows everything about the present and past, and can do anything that isn't logically contradicting, including interfering with our world" a god < 1263785955 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1263785959 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :way to accept "evil" < 1263785965 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but get pissy about "god" < 1263786000 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1263786011 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do we actually need to define "evil" to use it in context of defining "God"? < 1263786018 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh well i sure hope so < 1263786028 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because evil is an even more incoherent and unreal idea than god < 1263786096 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only if you don't have a well-defined moral system — but, of course, identifying as having one just makes you whine about groups and philosophy or something. < 1263786112 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all that talks about is human beings < 1263786114 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is an interesting argument. "Evil cannot be defined!" "Well, I have a definition that I use..." "You suck!" < 1263786129 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing: in an argument evil obviously means "evil as I perceive it" < 1263786132 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't get to apply this "evil" to trees or rocks or quasars or gods < 1263786149 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, oh well then let's just say god obviously means "god as I percieve Him" and we can all be speechwriters < 1263786180 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moral :: Action → Universe → SomeFuzzyIntegerBooleanThing < 1263786231 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All this boils down to is that morality and ethics are very hard to deal with in a coherent manner. :P < 1263786261 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and therefore are very hard to exist < 1263786263 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :APPARENTLY < 1263786297 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: well, I'd call my system of ethics WHICH I REFUSE TO NAME BECAUSE OF PTHING :| rather simple... < 1263786324 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should never be ashamed to be yourself :3 < 1263786337 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just trying to avoid you blabbering :) < 1263786341 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*blabbering :) < 1263786356 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: Categorical imperative? < 1263786386 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CoughcoughuticoughlitarcoughiancoughcoughcoughHACKismCOUGH. < 1263786403 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what < 1263786410 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit, i thought that would dissuade pthing < 1263786411 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can say utilitarianism, i don't give a shit < 1263786417 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you think i give a shit < 1263786426 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the last time I did you ranted for 50 days. < 1263786447 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you were probably saying something stupid related to utilitarianism that I forget what it was < 1263786465 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only said that my system of morals was consistent and logical. < 1263786468 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah < 1263786471 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is really stupid < 1263786473 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any problems with "desire" utilitarianism? < 1263786476 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Logical not as in the "everyone should accept it". < 1263786477 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1263786484 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Logical as in consistent, so, uh, redundant. < 1263786488 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: define that < 1263786510 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get < 1263786517 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how you can even ASSERT a thing like that < 1263786518 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing: stfu < 1263786520 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks for where he first read about it
< 1263786523 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, but how?? < 1263786532 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing: Well, utilitarianism is consistent. < 1263786533 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it simply is < 1263786536 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what < 1263786540 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is about you < 1263786546 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You never run into a situation where something is seemingly both good and bad. < 1263786551 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1263786552 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And everyone gets the same results from it. < 1263786557 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What other definition do you have of "consistent"? < 1263786581 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you talk about "running into situations" but also utilitarianism in the abstract < 1263786592 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that no one situation happens identically the same < 1263786606 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not relevant to what I said. < 1263786611 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not < 1263786626 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it can't deal with real shit on the ground, it's a pretty terrible system of morals < 1263786633 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure it can. < 1263786650 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it's an approximation. All quick human thought is, more or less. < 1263786659 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't find it :/
< 1263786662 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beg pardon? < 1263786670 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Well, explain it. < 1263786673 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is an approximation to what < 1263786688 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing: What you use to "deal with real shit on the ground" is an approximation of utilitarianism. < 1263786691 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see if I remember it properly < 1263786698 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is what i would consider a moral response < 1263786700 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All quick thought, e.g. when dealing with real shit, on the ground, is essentially an approximation. < 1263786719 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the quick thought is all that is the case! < 1263786725 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no systems of morality are truly calculatable in a real senes. < 1263786730 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well see < 1263786731 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They all say "happiness" or "pain" or whatever. < 1263786737 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have this problem that shit actually has to make sense < 1263786739 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1263786746 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There exist desires and beliefs. A "good" desire is one which helps other desires get accomplished. A "bad" desire is one that hinders other desires. A "good" action is one that could be initiated by someone with a "good" desire, whether or not the desires that actually iniated the action are "good" < 1263786753 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might have gotten it wrong, though < 1263786771 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't really help anyone to be able to assert that like < 1263786775 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: that doesn't terminate < 1263786778 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the axiomatic desires < 1263786786 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there exists a response in this situation that is consistent with all other responses! < 1263786795 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise we'll just have everybody trying to further everyone else's desire to further everyone else's desire to— < 1263786807 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, I don't know < 1263786822 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=772 is what I think is the source, but I don't remember reading a PDF < 1263786826 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember reading a webpage < 1263786832 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :negative utilitarianism seems to be the best; it avoids the Repugnant Conclusion < 1263786842 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is still largely similar to regular utilitarianism < 1263786859 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=776 an FAQ, apparently < 1263786871 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://alonzofyfe.com/article_du.shtml this is what I read < 1263786911 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also! < 1263786912 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird < 1263786919 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you bring approximations into it < 1263786924 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION currently makes no stance as to whether or not it's a helpful system of moralityy
< 1263786927 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*morality < 1263786933 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it follows that you cannot bring *any real situations* into discussions of morality < 1263786940 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pthing: disagree < 1263786942 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since they are all approximations, and so introduce errors! < 1263786952 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :consistency is ruined < 1263786953 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you're misinterpreting my words and i do not know how to fix that < 1263786960 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :buy better words < 1263787056 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to buy a word for $10 < 1263787069 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay your word is "meaninglessness" < 1263787345 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1263787580 0 :ehird!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1263787628 0 :oerjan_!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1263787690 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1263787966 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :morning < 1263788249 0 :oerjan_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Lost terminal" < 1263789044 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Not being on Linux makes me feel uncomfortable. < 1263789069 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though I've been on Windows for the past... while. < 1263789223 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I wonder now what distribution I should get. < 1263789240 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LFS! < 1263789249 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't sound like it's a distribution. < 1263789275 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1263789336 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does LFS mean you download the kernel, BusyBox, wget, gcc, install them, and then do the rest from there? < 1263789395 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: No, it means you do the entire thing from an existing build system. < 1263789420 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That too. < 1263789465 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's what you would do to install Linux on an iPhone. < 1263789657 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Uh, no. < 1263789677 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read the damned first chapter of the book. < 1263789897 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be nice if I had the book. Or knew very well that a book existed. < 1263790322 0 :augur!n=augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr2.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1263790386 0 :mycroshift!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :mycroftiv < 1263791618 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Linux From Scratch" is a book. < 1263791636 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's at linuxfromscratch.org < 1263791766 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, he's offlne < 1263791771 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He might not look it, but he is < 1263791784 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm going to go eat now < 1263793185 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... I've got a new idea < 1263793189 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want an XML format for nomograms < 1263793228 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :said XML format will have an XSL to turn it into an SVG < 1263793494 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: since ehird isn't here, I hereby declare that the task of deriding my idea falls to you < 1263794074 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LFS is the most awesome distribution ever. < 1263794098 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LFS: The only distribution that's a book (probably?) < 1263794768 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: fine, you comment < 1263796917 0 :FireyFly!n=firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1263798547 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1263800028 0 :FireyFly!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :FireFly < 1263800229 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If this guy goes with multithreading, considering that we're using a non-thread-safe SDK, I'll slap him < 1263800510 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a book with the source code for minix < 1263800620 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coincidentally, there is also a kook with the source code for minix. (I believe.) < 1263800868 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you calling me a liar < 1263800876 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if you are < 1263800878 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get it < 1263800930 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally i wonder if tomato juice goes bad if kept for a week in room temperature < 1263800967 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would a regular tomato? (Call you a liar.) < 1263801014 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1263801043 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tastes sorta funny < 1263801053 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again i guess it always does < 1263801113 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aren't those packages supposed to have storage instructions? < 1263801127 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh great idea < 1263801143 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't slept yet so sorta have no idea what's going on < 1263801201 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once opened blah blah 4 days refrigerator < 1263801244 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you just have to guess as to what sort of safty factor they've engineered in. < 1263801599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1263801600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1263801683 0 :bsmntbombdood_!n=gavin@174-16-77-44.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1263802017 0 :bsmntbombgirl!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1263803109 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's safty < 1263803144 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Safety, misspelteded. < 1263803169 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. < 1263803180 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i get it < 1263804633 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel like vomiting a liter of tomato juice < 1263804635 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleep time -> < 1263805040 0 :scarf_!n=scarf@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1263805062 0 :scarf_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :scarf < 1263805127 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1263805418 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1263805539 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1263806554 0 :MizardX!n=MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1263806938 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"I am leaving. You are about to explode." < 1263808468 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1263809038 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :scarf|away < 1263809215 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@cpc11-pres4-0-0-cust168.pres.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1263811038 0 :scarf|away!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :scarf < 1263814768 0 :rodgort!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1263814799 0 :rodgort!n=rodgort@adsl-71-142-227-255.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1263814921 0 :cheater!n=gast@62.176.155.187 JOIN :#esoteric < 1263814928 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiiiiii < 1263814961 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1263815510 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :K-lined < 1263816250 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1263816692 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1263818074 0 :Deewiant!n=deewiant@kekkonen.cs.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1263818101 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi scarf < 1263818112 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1263819146 0 :zeotrope!n=zeotrope@bas3-kitchener06-1096650646.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1263819392 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :No route to host < 1263821270 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1263821364 0 :FireFly!n=firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1263821406 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@cpc11-pres4-0-0-cust168.pres.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1263821952 0 :MigoMipo!n=migomipo@84-217-0-205.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1263823100 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1263823260 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Konversation terminated!" < 1263826010 0 :cheater2!n=cheater@ip-80-226-230-231.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1263826193 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1263826384 0 :cheateur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1263828629 0 :cpressey!n=CPressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1263830272 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1263830870 0 :MigoMipo!n=migomipo@84-217-12-253.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1263830877 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1263830893 0 :MigoMipo!n=migomipo@84-217-12-253.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1263832019 0 :MissPiggy!n=quantum@unaffiliated/fax JOIN :#esoteric < 1263834335 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, funny; Debian sid upgraded to X.org 7.5, and now when I move my mouse cursor to one of the three monitors and press a key while it's there, X crashes with "Segmentation fault at address 0x38" somewhere under mieqPointerUpdateSprite. < 1263834363 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other two screens work just fine, though. < 1263834367 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Oh well." < 1263834388 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian sid, AKA Debian "unstable" :) < 1263834432 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I guess I don't have anyone else to blame. It's just that it is only sporadically when I feel like debugging things like this, not all the time. < 1263834459 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, I use sid(ux) < 1263834475 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1263834498 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that crashing screen's the one that's on the integrated Radeon display thing; the other two are on a separate graphics card. It's never really worked all that well. < 1263834534 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1263834543 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my experience, mix n' match graphics cards is rarely a good idea. < 1263834575 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly, but it's the stupid that it's not a good idea; there's no theoretical reason why it shouldn't work. < 1263834598 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like I'm trying to do anything very demanding, like some sort of SLI dual-use of non-related cards. < 1263834601 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello fizzie, welcome to Earth. < 1263834667 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1263834732 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1263835512 0 :bsmntbombdood_!n=gavin@174-16-77-44.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1263835784 0 :Slereah_!n=Slereah@ANantes-259-1-69-215.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1263835798 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION returns to the lambda-in-C-ness.
< 1263835805 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Church numerals, anyone? < 1263835975 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hell, Imma go ahead and make it all explicitly curried, just for the lulz. < 1263835980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1263836073 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I spray-paint a "9" on the wall of the local Episcopalian chapel, does that count? < 1263836280 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :churchSucc is ugly as hell. < 1263836282 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooray. < 1263836305 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1263836344 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only way I could make this uglier is to do thunks. < 1263836457 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1263836490 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1263836599 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : return lambda(m, (closure m, closure n), return call(call(m,churchSucc),n);); < 1263836606 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :God, that's awful. < 1263837238 0 :cheater2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :cheateur < 1263837717 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION can has church numerals
< 1263838609 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/WDhU < 1263838652 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got half a mind to make the xgc_malloc a closure, as well. < 1263838977 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq do a lambda calculus meta interp in it? < 1263839007 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll give you scheme code if you want < 1263839029 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe later. < 1263840414 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The predecessor function is... Ugly as hell. < 1263840518 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The explicit closing doesn't help matters any. < 1263840848 0 :AnMaster_!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1263841444 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Success < 1263841469 0 :AnMaster_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1263841665 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/CJXC Yeah, that's the most ugly predecessor function I've seen. < 1263841736 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1263842246 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION blinks at the syntax "closure m"
< 1263842277 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1263842359 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1263842804 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck my isp. they changed reverse dns completely today < 1263845385 0 :augur!n=augur@pool-71-163-216-224.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1263845722 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: in what manner? < 1263846085 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: Now all the PTR records too resolve names to IPs. < 1263846092 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Disclaimer: speculation.) < 1263846132 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember what PTR records are supposed to do anyway < 1263846173 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Point to the names corresponding to the IPs the records are named after. < 1263846221 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1263846240 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the .arpa stuff? < 1263846254 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1263846286 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, no < 1263846303 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it went from *.cust.tele2.se to *.bredband.skanova.se < 1263846310 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(modulo spelling) < 1263846314 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a strange complaint; reorganizing the way dynamic IPs are named sounds like the prerogative of an ISP. < 1263846340 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as they don't resolve to Church numerals, right? < 1263846352 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it broke the oper block on an irc network I'm an operator on. < 1263846357 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :had to ssh in and fix it < 1263846377 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes, well, that is primarily your fault, for relying on something you had no business to rely on. < 1263846382 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it went from adsl2+ to adsl2 < 1263846385 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as I can tel < 1263846388 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell* < 1263846401 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Saunalahti (a Finnish ISP) uses (or at least used to use) roman numerals for names for dynamically allocated IPs. < 1263846407 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure I only have 8 mbit down but why would it change like that. < 1263846420 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: nice. < 1263846423 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they artificially limited it before, so... < 1263846501 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Few lines from last: < 1263846502 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :htkallas pts/67 Thu Jan 14 11:21 - 11:30 (00:09) mmmdcccxxi.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi < 1263846506 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :htkallas pts/55 Tue Jan 12 12:58 - 13:10 (00:12) yymmdcxxvi.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi < 1263846509 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, "last -a". < 1263846951 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"yy"?! < 1263846976 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y? I only know M, D, C, L, X, V and I (and the line on top versions).... < 1263846998 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a feeling Y is their own custom notation for ten thousand. < 1263847000 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's a really funky date format string. < 1263847001 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe y = MMMMM MMMMM < 1263847013 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: MMMM, MARABOU. < 1263847013 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y comes after x < 1263847019 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? < 1263847037 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder if there is 'w' also... < 1263847041 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: http://www.brandsoftheworld.com/catalogue/M/49321.html < 1263847049 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a brand of chocolate. < 1263847061 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1263847068 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not marborou then < 1263847074 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Marlboro < 1263847103 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it is not perhaps so convenient to have a combining upper-bar or whatever to do an X̅. < 1263847110 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a domain name, I mean. < 1263847118 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though IDNs do exist, but still. < 1263847153 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go poke the RDNS of those netblocks and see what roman numbers come up? < 1263847194 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a kmmcdxvii.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi I have used before. < 1263847243 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Can you find one with both 'y' and 'k'? Any others than [YKMDCXVI] you can find? :-) < 1263847244 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1263847265 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can forward-lookup those names and start poking yourself. < 1263847342 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forget X̅, I want whitespace in my domain name. Specifically, tabs. < 1263847511 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1263847521 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, U+2001 is not enough? :-> < 1263847834 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like Y is a myriad and K is a half-myriad. < 1263847844 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do those numbers denote, anyway? < 1263847859 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In any case, I'd number them as if they were newly-discovered atomic elements. < 1263847890 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : SimonRC: MMMM, MARABOU. <-- XD < 1263847904 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Myriad => 10 000... < 1263847981 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Excess Flood < 1263847990 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, I want right-to-left override in my dns < 1263848005 0 :MigoMipo!n=migomipo@84-217-12-253.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1263848050 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Excess Flood < 1263848076 0 :MigoMipo!n=migomipo@84-217-12-253.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1263848105 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IDN, anyone? < 1263848128 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mentioned there above < 1263848196 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. That's what I get for reading channel logs in a random order. < 1263848401 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm, well; 85.76.191.100 maps to zyyykmmccxcix.dsl.sl-laajakaista.fi. I guess z could be 50000, then. < 1263848524 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :K is definitely 5000, though: < 1263848525 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :101.180.76.85.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer ZYYYMMMCMXCIX.dsl.sl-laajakaista.fi. < 1263848528 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :102.180.76.85.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer ZYYYMK.dsl.sl-laajakaista.fi. < 1263848695 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't see anything past z yet; 85.76.191.255 is only zyyykmmcdliii.dsl, and the next one (.192.1) is a different block altogether, since that's yymdc.gprs. < 1263849031 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zyyykmmcdliii => 87 453 or something? < 1263849042 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I think. < 1263849090 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhh, and there was that great noise when another dialup ISP had ROT-13'd "silly" (sometimes a bit... questionable) reverse-DNS names for clients. < 1263849191 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things like "gheirahvwn" -rot13-> "turvenuija", which is... can someone who does English more idiomatically provide a translation that captures the tone? < 1263849264 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Finnish-speaking folks can take a look at the historical list at http://www.lmmz.net/files/mtv3hosts/hurf/ < 1263849285 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something bit akin to redneck? < 1263849389 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's things like "smelly corpse", "new-media clown", "alcoholic", "jew" (in a derogatory tone), "commie", "rat food", "humanist", "beer gut" and other such less polite names. < 1263849425 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"rectal expert", for example. I wonder if someone actually got fired over this stunt. < 1263849478 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there's even separately "humanist" and "computer-illiterate humanist". < 1263849504 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or it is what resulted when someone's logic bomb gone off? < 1263849527 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so; after all, they *were* rot13'd. < 1263849540 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what is y then? < 1263849556 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 10000, wasn't it? < 1263849604 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1263849613 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also some of those are just strange (or alternatively I don't know the corresponding slang); for example "abscissa" isn't really especially disparaging, I don't think. < 1263849618 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For bit more difficulty, they could have used some random substitutions (same for all names). Those are crackable, but not as simple as rot13. < 1263849853 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their PR release about it at least says it was done by a single employee with a "sick sense of humor" (their words). < 1263849923 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1263849989 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :last xkcd was quite good btw < 1263850121 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1263850132 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, _really_ sick... < 1263850293 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I should play with ADO.NET < 1263850421 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and the second-level names (like "titaa", "taatititi", ...) are single characters in morse code, in alphabetical order, denoting the third IP address byte. (With "ti" = dot, "taa" = dash.) < 1263850436 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least almost. < 1263851009 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are many duplicate lowest-level names... There are total of 631 names for 3810 hosts. Only 2 of those names appear only once. 'kannibaali' (cannibal) and 'tremolo' (tremolo?) both appear 13 times. < 1263851391 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1263851933 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :MigoMipo_Zwei < 1263852208 0 :MigoMipo_Zwei!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :MigoMipo < 1263852351 0 :augur!n=augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr2.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1263853137 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1263853172 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here have experience with SVG? < 1263853179 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some < 1263853203 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION assassinates XML
< 1263853207 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, that was tasteless < 1263853229 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't think before I spoke < 1263853255 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://github.com/ <-- "GitHub is Temporarily Offline." huh < 1263853285 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION can has cons cells
< 1263853456 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: The twitter link also gave me a 503 :-) < 1263853466 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, 503? < 1263853472 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Service unavailable < 1263853476 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1263853496 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worked on a refresh though. < 1263853613 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OpenVPN gets IPv6 in the "tun mode" (in addition to tap devices); openvpn-devel has the behind-the-scenes story: "After planning to force a student to write this part of code (who unfortunately sensed our plot and ran for his life) Gert Doering finally yielded to our begging and promises of beer and wrote the code." < 1263853790 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1263853808 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, a little, but only by hand < 1263853823 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: good, I'm looking for help with doing it by hand < 1263853834 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just generated SVG with Perl. (A match made in heaven!) < 1263853892 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what is the diff between tun and tap? < 1263853917 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually used w3schools for learning SVG :| < 1263853924 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w3schools is pretty solid < 1263853942 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard they're pretty outdated when it comes to JS < 1263853942 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use befunge to generate svg < 1263853949 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to get my image to center vertically using viewBox < 1263853952 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not working :( < 1263853964 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, coppro ^ < 1263853973 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "tap" is a virtual ethernet device; you can run anything that Ethernet can carry over it. In contrast, the "tun" device can only tunnel IP packets through, it's a sort of a point-to-point tunnel thing. < 1263853984 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1263853986 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, I want to '0' y coordinate to hit the middle of the screen < 1263853990 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: hmm? < 1263854003 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, I've never used viewbox :P < 1263854011 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, TURT is implemented in cfunge (and iirc also ccbi) as generating a svg < 1263854018 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oo < 1263854038 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, it is turtle style drawing. Might not suite your needs < 1263854052 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no thanks, I'm looking for raw SVG < 1263854066 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, iirc it centers nicely < 1263854083 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems I can get it to work if I make it go 3x as far above the origin as below < 1263854087 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why that is I cannot fathom < 1263854193 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1263854369 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I can use an transform < 1263854386 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1263854684 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, btw have you seen how bloated the svgs that inkscape produces are? < 1263854701 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes < 1263854706 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use cfunge, it produces the very minimum really! < 1263854719 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on two lines. One for the doc type, one for the rest < 1263854721 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(iirc) < 1263854854 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1263854861 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heap contains 13472 pointer-containing + 4096 pointer-free reachable bytes < 1263854862 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems excessive < 1263854869 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooray, ridiculously inefficient bignums! < 1263854884 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oo < 1263854908 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use the genx library to do it < 1263854908 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so blame it < 1263854992 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually trying to learn SVG so I can write an XSLT to it < 1263855025 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cough* http://codu.org/rxml.php *cough* < 1263855147 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1263855342 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Heap contains 13472 pointer-containing + 4096 pointer-free reachable bytes <-- how is it implemented? < 1263855383 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, at least it compresses well < 1263855504 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, reduced to about 2.4% I think < 1263855728 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I managed to read the link "Hats" at that page as "Guns". That's rather impressive. < 1263855779 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, famous for wearing a different kind of gun on his head every day, chosen by web-vote. < 1263855989 0 :mycroftiv!n=infernus@h69-128-47-243.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1263856421 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1263856683 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night → < 1263856795 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : closure l = call(call(gen_list, church0), call(toChurch, 10)); < 1263856798 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whooo.... < 1263857432 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I'm an atheist! < 1263857438 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night really → < 1263857639 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Implemented? Why, church numerals! < 1263857688 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should use binary trees of booleans of course < 1263857734 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :acutally a guy I know worked on the proper representation of integers in dependantly-typed languages < 1263857747 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather, Nats < 1263857770 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the answer he (a type theorist) got was 3 cases: < 1263857773 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to figure out why in the world his code is executing: fromChurchBool fromChurchNum
< 1263857797 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just... Why? < 1263857819 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all zero bits, first half zero and second half a half-the-length number, both halves a half-the-length number < 1263857845 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget why that slightly odd representation was chosen, but I assume he knew what he was doing < 1263857880 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've read some JFP about efficient binary numerals in lambda calculus, < 1263857922 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's just \zw.zzwwwzw for 1011100 < 1263857960 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't work in a typed calculus though < 1263858034 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: it looks strange to have a special case for first half zero when you already have a case for all zero... < 1263858155 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd think there would be multiple representations of the same number then... < 1263858300 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone familiar with XSLT here? < 1263858366 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, I forgot, there are the obvious restrictions on parts not being zero, to avoid redundancy < 1263858370 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: a little < 1263858385 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$2 = {func = 0x1, close = 0x0} < 1263858388 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... Such a wrong closure. < 1263858389 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: How do I match against an element that is not a member of another? < 1263858392 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such a very, very wrong closure. < 1263858402 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: huh? < 1263858424 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC: matches a bar that is a child of foo < 1263858430 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to match a bar that is /not/ a child of foo < 1263858440 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1263858491 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure yet < 1263858506 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1263858579 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1263859041 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is something horribly wrong with this code. < 1263859056 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION was unaware that 0x8 was the address of a closure.