< 1264723328 0 :cheater2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1264723509 0 :mad!n=madbrain@modemcable175.136-81-70.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1264723516 0 :mad!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :madbrn < 1264724014 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is so fricken cold outside < 1264724809 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1264727389 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000t! < 1264727447 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro < 1264727448 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1264727453 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got accepted! < 1264727483 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Congratulations! [Accepted to what?] < 1264727516 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my anus < 1264727592 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UWaterloo! < 1264727806 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wishes 8-bit Weapon was on Grooveshark < 1264727812 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, some songs are, but not all < 1264729275 0 :augur!n=augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr2.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1264732543 0 :uorygl_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, coppro got accepted to UWaterloo! < 1264732553 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay! < 1264732565 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just need to decide between Math and CS before the end of May < 1264732580 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CS < 1264732587 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Math is for losers. < 1264732592 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1264732597 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<_< < 1264732615 0 :uorygl_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you? I've been at my school for nearly a year and I still haven't decided between math and CS. < 1264732629 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both. < 1264732683 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl_: my understanding is that switching between them should be relatively easy as there's a lot of course overlap (especially if I pick my courses to increase that overlap), but I have to pick one entrance program < 1264732893 0 :uorygl_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww, entrance programs. < 1264733286 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/music/vg/zee4.ogg The first piece of VG music I've written that may actually fit somewhere into the game I want to fit it in to. < 1264733464 0 :uorygl_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I wonder: < 1264733477 0 :uorygl_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This channel is publicly logged. Does that pretty much mean that I can use the logs as I see fit? < 1264733523 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure who "owns" logs. < 1264733545 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the very least, even if there is some legal restriction on what you could do with them, it would be nigh-on impossible to enforce. < 1264733630 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the meantime, although i'm not sure this would be an appropriate channel to ask, i'm suffering strange itch in freenode < 1264733640 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it goes like: < 1264733641 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:33 [Freenode] -!- vtilmicegzko: No such nick/channel < 1264733641 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:46 [Freenode] -!- nysptgqss: No such nick/channel < 1264733699 0 :uorygl_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes, I'm getting those, too. < 1264733699 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's ... weird. < 1264733705 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm ... not? < 1264733708 0 :uorygl_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may have heard this before. < 1264733717 0 :uorygl_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s//of/ < 1264733731 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ofI may have heard this before. < 1264733754 0 :uorygl_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Precisely. < 1264733774 0 :uorygl_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was called "whois spam", and is some sort of bug in freenode's software. < 1264734202 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and freenode is planning an ircd migration tommorrow < 1264734258 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll wait and see if it's been fixed < 1264734318 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/WLNJ < 1264734330 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My C, it is slightly crazy. < 1264734354 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(very much work in progress) < 1264734392 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: *brain explodes* < 1264734419 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Hahahah. < 1264734426 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just functional lazy C. < 1264734443 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C: the most verbose functional language. < 1264734467 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pax Deorum is a pretty awesome song < 1264734481 0 :uorygl_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lux Aeterna is also a pretty neat song. < 1264734496 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may, once I'm done making that into a Lazy K interpreter, go back and make it mostly standard C... < 1264734504 0 :uorygl_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does your song title mean? Godly Peace? < 1264734509 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As nice as Lux Aeterna is, it's ooooooooooooo overused. < 1264734513 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sooooooooooooo < 1264734525 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl_, don't know < 1264734535 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://listen.grooveshark.com/#/song/Pax+Deorum/12536556 < 1264734578 0 :uorygl_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, "Peace of the Gods". I didn't know that the genitive plural could be used like that. < 1264734603 0 :uorygl_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it's a good thing, then, that I never hear it except when I choose to. < 1264735098 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1264735388 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1264736560 0 :jpc!n=jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1264741537 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1264742018 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1264743882 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1264744170 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1264748485 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1264748881 0 :tombom!i=tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1264749346 0 :tombom_!i=tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1264749610 0 :FireFly!n=firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1264750376 0 :jpc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"I will do anything (almost) for a new router." < 1264750457 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1264750836 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1264751059 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"#dsdev on irc.blitzed.org exists" < 1264751449 0 :tombom_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1264751735 0 :cheater2!n=cheater@ip-80-226-31-123.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1264751999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1264752000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1264752188 0 :immibis!n=immibis@125-238-252-17.jetstream.xtra.co.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1264753061 0 :madbrn!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Radiateur" < 1264755050 0 :immibis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1264756243 0 :scarf!n=scarf@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1264756533 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.org <- Nobody cares enough to cybersquat it" < 1264757479 0 :Milchm!n=Sandra@p5499D806.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1264757497 0 :Milchm!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello all < 1264757828 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Excess Flood < 1264757849 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1264757860 0 :Milchm!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not shure if anybody can read what I'm writting < 1264758254 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1264758256 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Milchm: I can see it < 1264758281 0 :Milchm!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks scarf < 1264758297 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what brings you here? < 1264758314 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's likely to be relatively empty this early, many of the brits will be at school, and the americans will be asleep < 1264758330 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and likewise, scandinavians have a similar problem to the british, although most of them are out of school nowadays < 1264758337 0 :Milchm!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its crowded enough scarf < 1264758342 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's mostly idlers < 1264758373 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's usual for people to leave their computer in a channel even when they aren't there themselves, so they can see what was said when they get back < 1264758387 0 :Milchm!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, scarf, I'm searching for more information bout http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dream_yoga and tummo < 1264758405 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, you may be in the wrong channel / on the wrong server < 1264758413 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Freenode's a programming server < 1264758418 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this channel's about esoteric programming languages < 1264758433 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, languages designed without practicality as one of their goals < 1264758435 0 :Milchm!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooops, I'v never been *that* wrong ;-) < 1264758449 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry, it's an easy mistake < 1264758457 0 :Milchm!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my shell is esoteric enough for me ;-) < 1264758474 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately we don't know where to send people instead; if you find out, let us know and we'll be able to help other people in your position in future < 1264758539 0 :Milchm!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try UNDERNET < 1264758540 0 :Milchm!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#buddhism now, but this won't help you in most cases < 1264758565 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1264758574 0 :Milchm!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye scarf < 1264758579 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1264758581 0 :Milchm!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1264758608 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also some of the people on the channel are sneakily lurking. < 1264758679 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, you were here all along? < 1264759004 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. And yet you never knew! < 1264759980 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1264759997 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I indeed was in school < 1264766272 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :scarf|away < 1264766282 0 :scarf|away!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :scarf < 1264767701 0 :MigoMipo!n=migomipo@84-217-3-178.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1264769922 0 :MissPiggy!n=quantum@unaffiliated/fax JOIN :#esoteric < 1264770743 0 :MizardX!n=MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1264772786 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"leaving" < 1264773073 0 :puzzlet!n=a@61.251.165.103 JOIN :#esoteric < 1264774182 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :scarf|away < 1264774273 0 :scarf|away!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :scarf < 1264776350 0 :BeholdMyGlory!n=behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1264776742 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1264777432 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :scarf|away < 1264778594 0 :cpressey!n=CPressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1264778919 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) < 1264779160 0 :AnMaster!n=AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1264779380 0 :Shakeal!n=run@41.0.103.197 JOIN :#esoteric < 1264780368 0 :scarf|away!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :scarf < 1264780416 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Do you happen to know if there is a no-cost telephone number lookup service for Swedish numbers? (I am aware of one Finnish place that gives address information -- name data costs a fraction of an euro, but the address is sometimes enough -- but of course that's Finnish-only.) < 1264780470 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And wasn't your country code +46?) < 1264780730 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, try eniro.se < 1264780734 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also debugging X crashes < 1264780742 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atm I'm testing older nvidia driver < 1264780744 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to see if that helps < 1264780769 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it only crashes after a moderatly long idle period (independent of DPMS it seems!)... < 1264780775 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is annoying to debug this < 1264780793 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also maybe hitta.se < 1264780799 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that map only(?) < 1264780809 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway eniro.se is basically telefonkatalogen < 1264780834 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway leaving desktop for a while, going to make food, will check afterwards if it locked up or not < 1264780860 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Screensaver? < 1264780862 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, none < 1264780889 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, also I had to reboot to fix it last time. It was so bad that the nvidia card changed to "unknown device" in lspci < 1264780901 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and dmesg contained lots of those infamous nvidia Xid messages < 1264780920 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, recent change: replaced old monitor with a new larger one < 1264780923 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: How did you reboot? Alt+SysRq+{S,U,B}? < 1264780940 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, yes, the times when it worked < 1264780943 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't work every time < 1264780959 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, and sometimes it was enough to ssh in and kill X server, then type reboot < 1264780984 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You ever tested what happens if you ssh in, shut down X and then try to restart it? < 1264780986 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, one time I got a blinking led situation (kernel oops) < 1264781002 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, well that time was when it showed up as unknown pci device after < 1264781007 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it refuses to start X < 1264781017 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the display was corrupted (but still readable) < 1264781033 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was like the framebuffer was stretched so every other pixel was used or so < 1264781052 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :scarf|away < 1264781053 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl now < 1264781061 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh... Sometimes X keyboard driver locks up here (have to do Alt+SysRq+R, Alt-F2, Alt-F7). < 1264781086 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some site called vemringde.se seems to implicate it's some phone marketing place... didn't know those call to other countries. < 1264781612 0 :scarf|away!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :scarf < 1264782003 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: You're right, Burro doesn't form a proper group. I think the way to fix it is to have (/) act like {\} when there is undo information available. Then (/) is its own inverse, and {\} can be removed. Whether it can still be TC after that, though, I don't know... < 1264782031 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: neither do I, but it isn't obviously sub-TC, and that's a good sign < 1264783312 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, hasn't crashed yet < 1264783789 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys < 1264783794 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I might be turing complete :( < 1264783799 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what should I do? How can I tell my parents < 1264783806 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: do you have infinite memory? < 1264783810 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, there's nothing to worry about < 1264783821 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have infinite memory but I can write things down < 1264783841 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a limit to how much you can write down before you die < 1264783848 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*PHEW* < 1264783879 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, MissPiggy: what if science find a way to extend the life before MissPiggy dies? < 1264783894 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, still the heat death of the universe < 1264783897 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: then, that means that MissPiggy isn't turing-complete /yet/ < 1264783912 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1264784342 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We just need to make MissPiggy be immortal in an infinite universe. < 1264784619 0 :oerjan!n=oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1264784651 0 :tombom!n=tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1264785627 0 :kar8nga!n=kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1264786106 0 :Pthing!n=pthing@cpc11-pres4-0-0-cust168.pres.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1264786346 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently lazy church numerals are confusing. < 1264786421 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1264786676 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, even when applying them, they might or might not be fully evaluated, dependent on representation? < 1264786695 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1264786747 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is just going to write his fromChurch function in terms of the zero predicate. < 1264786755 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the successor function. < 1264786771 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PITA, but less of a PITA than figuring out where in the world the thunks are going. < 1264786798 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. Predecessor. < 1264786802 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION lazys up the C church predecessor function. < 1264786817 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you apply it to a function that is always strict in its arguments, then you are ensured the church numeral is evaluated fully, i think < 1264786857 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay then. < 1264786862 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes sense. < 1264787051 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the behavior I'm seeing. < 1264787057 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Laziness in C is hard. < 1264787294 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm getting the distinct impression something here is *too* lazy. < 1264787350 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you need to apply it to a strict function and another argument, of course. < 1264787368 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : dethunk(callerT(toChurch(2), 2, tmp, I)); < 1264787380 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where tmp is strict in its argument. < 1264787517 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1264787542 0 :MissPiggy!n=quantum@unaffiliated/fax JOIN :#esoteric < 1264787563 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :schrödinger's pig < 1264787606 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im a catastrophic failure < 1264787660 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how many did your experiment kill? < 1264787684 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or cause to never have been born, if it involved time travel < 1264787772 0 :sebbu2!n=sebbu@ADijon-152-1-3-71.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1264787800 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's too hard to count, an approximate number of planets/galaxies/universes is also acceptable < 1264788063 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The precise count is only available as an unevaluated Church numeral, sorry. < 1264788270 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay located a service manual for my old monitor < 1264788274 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this should be interesting < 1264788347 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm definitely being too lazy in something. < 1264788355 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably the successor function. < 1264788367 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, get to work then ;P < 1264788392 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too lazy. :P < 1264788422 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's amazing how hard it is to write "λn f x → f (n f x)" in C. < 1264788428 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too lazy, so no successing < 1264788441 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got half a mind to just convert that to SK... < 1264788449 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I know that my S and K work right. < 1264788449 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, also try haskell, I heard they liked lazyness < 1264788481 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also heard that mathematicians are lazy. It explains a lot about a) mathematical notation b) haskell < 1264788579 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) < 1264788676 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1264788701 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proof of that last statement is left as an exercise for the reader. < 1264788754 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://catseye.tc/projects/burro/doc/website_burro.html <<< what if we have {} inside () < 1264788783 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"{: Make the most recently added child of the current node the new current node" < 1264788789 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: {} needs to go away :) < 1264788789 0 :bsmntbombdood!n=gavin@174-29-94-40.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1264788794 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1264788794 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1264788810 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as scarf pointed out, it's not a group, because {} doesn't have an inverse < 1264788843 0 :Shakeal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1264788850 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically just the natural inverse of (), it's just not thought through < 1264788855 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to have stacks that go two ways < 1264788889 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I was thinking of just making () its own inverse (i.e. behave like {} if there is stuff on the stack) < 1264788890 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which really is obvious, i guess the author just got confused, can't imagine why < 1264788902 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1264788906 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would that work? < 1264788924 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I can't imagine why I would ever get confused, either :P < 1264788925 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just add a nop () after every () < 1264788939 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea if it would work yet < 1264788950 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically every second () is negative < 1264789012 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway what my sarcasm was trying to convey is i'm rather confused about all this, not sure this is something i can revolutionize instantly. < 1264789014 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, good point about nop ()'s. < 1264789016 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if (/) inverses (/), you no longer have a stack, but a one-element buffer < 1264789021 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1264789027 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one-bit, in fact < 1264789030 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was the idea, except would that work for nesting < 1264789031 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh. < 1264789042 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting flow chart this... it has "YES" and "NG"... < 1264789048 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :consistently < 1264789073 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it was scanned and automatically converted to text < 1264789092 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the parts that looked like letters, that is; sounds pretty probable < 1264789094 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, maybe, but then someone added in the arrows for the flowchart again? < 1264789103 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and such < 1264789137 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nono, they have a pic, and they put it through a program that searches for stuff that looks like letters, and changes everything to one given font. < 1264789219 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, also I doubt they would do that for a service manual. After all asking someone to check the third pin of U105 after properly discharging C54 (for safety) would be very different from asking someone to do the same but discharge 59 (for example) < 1264789278 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, I doubt they would want dead service technicians (this is troubleshooting the high voltage part of a monitor that is used to drive the backlight) < 1264789284 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds like it could be troubleshooting-talk for "No Good" then < 1264789295 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, oh maybe < 1264789311 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1264789338 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I seem to lack a multimeter (as expected) so there isn't much I can do to track it down < 1264789345 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't know whether two programs do that same thing, so clearly it's *impossible* to make all this work < 1264789352 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't know whether the thing you have should do nothing < 1264789365 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1264789367 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all I know is that the display renders but backlight is off, and I see no obvious faults (such as burned out components or broken cables when I look < 1264789383 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1264789388 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's crappy logic, it's enough for the problem to be in RE for it to be implementable here < 1264789389 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1264789398 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay this seems funny < 1264789421 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: White screen -> LVDS Cable Reinsert -(OK)-> Workmanship < 1264789528 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that seems funny. < 1264789547 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great the schematic is really low res < 1264789555 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't read the labels < 1264789575 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can barley see that something looks like a resistor-ish line < 1264789653 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah this part is more readable, and it looks like it *might* be relaced to the CCFL < 1264789668 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait no, just the built in speakers XDS < 1264789670 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD* < 1264789719 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, also strange thing: < 1264789730 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Someone, Document Number: DCINPUT < 1264789734 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the scanned schematics < 1264789734 0 :muni!n=opera@metroeth-nat91.217.146.194.generacja.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1264789740 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was in one corner of it < 1264789816 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: There could still be a stack, but it could be manipulated with explicit commands, maybe? Like "v" push bit down, "^" pull bit up. < 1264789841 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Title: Someone", huh. < 1264789858 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, also DCINPUT was more apt as a title < 1264789882 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :summary: be sceptical of Acer monitor service manuals < 1264789889 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the exploded diagram is wrong too < 1264789900 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1264789903 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, partly right < 1264789920 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be related to DVI vs VGA versions < 1264789954 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says it is DVI version, and for the VGA version it says (in red, without quotes): "(We will update later)" < 1264789962 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I have the VGA version < 1264789969 0 :augur!n=augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1264789972 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no actual exploded diagram for the VGA one < 1264789979 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Useful thing in a service manual, that. < 1264789984 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, yeah < 1264790011 0 :muni!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, is it that tricky to read two numbers separated by space in Whitespace language? Because reading number, then character (space) and then number again doesn't work as I wish. < 1264790015 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I'm unable to find the spec of the voltage for the CCFLs < 1264790032 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl lunch < 1264790155 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :muni, never used whitespace. Don't really know < 1264790208 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, for when you get back: there are some strange thing going on in the safety precautions too. I don't know where Acer is based, it could possibly be bad translation. < 1264790219 0 :muni!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: That's a shame. < 1264790227 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :muni, befunge is my speciality < 1264790253 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Successor in SKI is ugly. < 1264790254 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(S(KS)K)(S((S(KS)K)(S(KS)K)I))((S(S(K(S(KS)K))S)(KK))((S(KS)K)(S(S(K(S(KS)K))S)(KK))((S(KS)K)((S(KS)K)(S(KS)K))((S(S(K(S(KS)K))S)(KK))((S(KS)K)(S(KS)K)I)I)))I) < 1264790260 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeargh < 1264790274 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: may be more efficient ways. I did not compile that by hand.) < 1264790326 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love ski < 1264790375 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways. Now I just make my churchSucc thunk compile that, and voila. < 1264790463 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the SKI compiler fails. < 1264790468 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: we can go skiing when you come to finland < 1264790476 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh ok < 1264790503 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm in the 1% of finns who likes it < 1264790511 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well young ppl anyway < 1264790526 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also maybe like < 1264790527 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, yeah it is norway where it is national sport isn't it? < 1264790541 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well apart from oerjan, iirc he hates it < 1264790546 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :global_thunk(static, churchSucc, NULL, {return dethunk(eval(genList("(S(KS)K)(S((S(KS)K)(S(KS)K)I))((S(S(K(S(KS)K))S)(KK))((S(KS)K)(S(S(K(S(KS)K))S)(KK))((S(KS)K)((S(KS)K)(S(KS)K))((S(S(K(S(KS)K))S)(KK))((S(KS)K)(S(KS)K)I)I)))I)")));}); < 1264790551 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only it worked. < 1264790631 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea what's the national sport of anything < 1264790645 0 :muni!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: OK, I get it, Whitespace is silly :) < 1264790668 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :muni, I didn't say that < 1264790673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it is < 1264790679 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact it is a great idea < 1264790728 0 :muni!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Why? < 1264790736 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not < 1264790785 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :muni, certainly it would be much harder in INTERCAL I assume < 1264790795 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to do basically anything < 1264790871 0 :MigoMipo!n=MigoMipo@84-217-3-178.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1264790957 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :muni: do you write whitespace in actual whitespace? < 1264790977 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The esolangers lost their Robozzle addiction? < 1264790979 0 :muni!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: What do you mean? < 1264790993 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :personally i would cheat, there's not even any sort of verbosity problem if you compile some saner syntax into it < 1264791005 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lessee, succ = \n f x -> f (n f x) < 1264791012 0 :soupdragon!n=quantum@unaffiliated/fax JOIN :#esoteric < 1264791013 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :muni: do you write in tabs and spaces and shit, or do you type ... or something, and compile < 1264791044 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That's hard in C. < 1264791068 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: how much have you solveD? < 1264791070 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*solved < 1264791077 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now I'm suspecting something's screwy with "eval"... < 1264791079 0 :muni!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Oh, well, I write in tabs and spaces and shit. But I have them marked, it's not like I can't see them at all. < 1264791082 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1264791123 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := \n f -> S (K f) (n f) = \n -> S (S (K S) K) n = S (S (K S) K) < 1264791158 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Within the last 24h, 0. Total, 81 < 1264791163 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no all in all < 1264791165 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1264791169 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan wins < 1264791309 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how fast do you do that? < 1264791342 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a minute or so? < 1264791364 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay? < 1264791370 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That's a much shorter one. < 1264791380 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And more likely to not be screwed up. :P < 1264791390 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgot all those rules < 1264791393 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll give it a shot in a bit. < 1264791395 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just wondering how fast you do that, i'm damn slow at it < 1264791531 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh lol actually i can do that quite fast < 1264791543 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: you get a lot of verbosity if you don't use the \x -> f x = f rule, ending up with S (K f) I instead < 1264791564 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Mmm. < 1264791592 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it was lucky that the n ended up only at the end, at the end < 1264791599 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is defining a "lazy lambda" macro ATM... Should be less painful to write. < 1264791897 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that segfaults. < 1264791902 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Definitely something buggy. < 1264791911 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's actually easier to do in unlambda notation, because then it's nearly character substitution < 1264791999 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :` -> ``s, + functions < 1264792008 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1264792015 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: you don't say < 1264792052 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is \n -> S (S (K (S n)) K) n = S (S (S (K S) (S (K K) S)) (K K)) I correct? i'm sure you can check with ease < 1264792067 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1264792081 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evaluate it yourself < 1264792082 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't think so < 1264792090 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should start with S (K S) ... < 1264792091 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: faster this way < 1264792107 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, an irc channel with an oerjan oracle < 1264792111 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1264792194 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S (S (K S) K) n f x = S (K S) K f (n f) x = K S f (K f) (n f) x = S (K f) (n f) x = f (n f x), just checking mine above < 1264792224 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn, I had to lock down hackiki.org to require login to edit :( < 1264792274 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay i get \n -> (S (K (S n)) K) n < 1264792311 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i got confused by all the S's < 1264792317 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there were too many of them < 1264792336 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: that's the part that gets easier with unlambda notation < 1264792370 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1264792542 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks at the call graph < 1264792667 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So far all I can tell is that xgc_malloc gets called a lot. < 1264792728 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone knows if VGA and DVI are guaranteed to be hot pluggable? < 1264792738 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and hot *un*pluggable) < 1264792768 0 :impomatic!n=chatzill@87.115.160.139 JOIN :#esoteric < 1264792772 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi :-) < 1264792787 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't VGA damn old < 1264792788 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a CROBOTS tournament taking place soon, http://crobots.deepthought.it/home.php?link=91 < 1264792795 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, well yes but still < 1264792883 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before USB i hadn't really _heard_ about hot pluggability. admittedly i'm about the platonical ideal opposite of a hardware guy. < 1264792939 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cromulent crobots < 1264793128 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: This is of course not conclusive proof, but Wikipedia's infobox on DVI says "Hot pluggable: Yes"; the infobox for the VGA connector does not list either. < 1264793160 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, VGA is not guaranteed to be hot-pluggable. < 1264793203 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VGA is quite often plugged hot, though. Switching monitor cables around is more frequent than many other types of cables. < 1264793290 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you're probably safe doing it, but there was no design constraint for it. < 1264793351 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember trying to explain this concept to someone on the freebsd-questions list once. They had a hard time believing that RS-232 (I think?) wasn't guaranteed to be hot-pluggable, because THEY never had a problem with it. < 1264793410 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hardware questions on freebsd-questions can be quite entertaining. < 1264793678 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221164558]" < 1264793817 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://python.pastebin.com/m541353e < 1264793846 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's every day that I have a need to retain the last value that the loop variable took on in the loop. < 1264793900 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I've just been doing a lot of Python lately. I like it, overall, but mainly because I know that the number of things that irritate me would probably only be greater in most other languages. < 1264793900 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uuh < 1264793906 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is that not the expected behavior? < 1264793914 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would loops have their own scope? < 1264793944 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why shouldn't loops have their own scope? When is it useful to know what the value of the variable was on the last iteration, after the loop is over? < 1264793987 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If "expected behaviour" means "behaviour we've come to expect from using crappy languages for decades", yes, it's the expected behaviour :) < 1264794115 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's bad form anyway < 1264794127 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your loop variable shouldn't shadow another < 1264794295 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I can't expect the language to treat shadowing a variable as a syntax error either, though. It's my fault for not correctly cataloging the 'n' variable names used in this scope so far, in my head. :) < 1264794836 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vaguely recalls perl allows you to decide whether loop variables get their own scope, by adding "my" < 1264794998 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION confirms this < 1264795063 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it does. Also C lets you open a new scope in an anonymous block, at least. < 1264795149 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C99 does; older Cs don't let you declare variables except at the top of a function. < 1264795182 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, I thought it was ANSI... < 1264795189 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, C89 < 1264795219 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Declarations after statements are errors in C89 < 1264795243 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: but what about in an inner block? < 1264795247 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C89 allows declarations in blocks < 1264795252 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just functions < 1264795253 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought so < 1264795267 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn, I thought {} was considered a statement < 1264795277 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :void x(void) { int x; x = 15; { int y; y = 12 } } should be ok < 1264795308 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hmm, that I didn't expect at all < 1264795309 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, with the possible exception of the function name being shadowed -- that was unintentional < 1264795314 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1264796027 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, you appear to be deewiating from the spec. :) < 1264796075 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just had to pressey the issue, right < 1264796080 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{(...)} is a statement < 1264796090 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ({...}), i can't remember < 1264796171 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vaguely recalls reading ({...}) being a gcc extension? < 1264796172 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... and you're oerjan me to make another pun. < 1264796184 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was c99 < 1264796212 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i probably read it on this channel, so... < 1264796299 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather, ({...}) was an expression containing a statement < 1264796442 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ ... } is also a statement; it's called "compound statement". But you can still stick declarations there, because it's: compound-statement: { declaration-list statement-list } < 1264796586 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think C99 has the ({ ... }) trick, though; at least the GCC docs about it don't mention C99, which is what they often do with many other things that are GCC extensions in C89/C90 and also legal C99. < 1264797318 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asked fungot to spew out some song lyrics; it replied: "confronted shame what they're sayin / it's more than before / dis-leur que je pars. / mais loin, l-bas, / quelque part, kept mention / im prayin fraid death pre-hook been / patti crips establish colder; functions hunt so in life / oh a smooth savage chronicles aint true" < 1264797319 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: good god! give it up. < 1264797354 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot style < 1264797355 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :({ }) is not legal C99 < 1264797355 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon: ive never asked you before mentioning that you were not " here" < 1264797386 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The particular style that generated that stuff is not in the bot yet. It's also not very good.) < 1264797394 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Why shouldn't loops have their own scope? When is it useful to know what the value of the variable was on the last iteration, after the loop is over? <-- happened to me, so just declare the variable outside the loop < 1264797420 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, C does the right thing for scope in imperative languages IMO < 1264797430 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, a fungot < 1264797432 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: fair automaton.) a variety of colorful fish and wildlife hella cool < 1264797453 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fungot, a fair automaton; also a variety of colorful fish and wildlife. < 1264797477 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: That was a nice self-description you had there. < 1264797478 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: as in you will save some consing yet? < 1264797554 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I don't think C99 has the ({ ... }) trick, though; at least the GCC docs about it don't mention C99, which is what they often do with many other things that are GCC extensions in C89/C90 and also legal C99. <-- indeed ({...}) is a GNU extension and is not allowed in a conforming C program < 1264797561 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or was it "strictly conforming"?) < 1264797590 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1264797590 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc* jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube < 1264797602 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon, learn the commands ;P < 1264797655 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon disliked being called MissPiggy? < 1264797678 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the default name on this system is different... < 1264797694 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1264797945 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What spamming attacks? < 1264798059 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: http://blog.freenode.net/2010/01/javascript-spam/ < 1264798278 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" < 1264798483 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1264798847 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style ff7 < 1264798848 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: ff7 (Full script of the game Final Fantasy VII) < 1264798873 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, give me a line of wisdom < 1264798874 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: now we've saved aerith, you have the lunar harp you're after. we almost have the promised land, so shu'up jackass! < 1264799056 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: That sounds more like a random set of quotes mashed together than genuine wisdom. < 1264799057 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: now then... this ship's gonna save the planet, merge with one another and roam the planet is hurt, are you saying? < 1264799076 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: No, I most definitely am not saying that. < 1264799076 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: we're talking about, professor... someone's in here... you were trying to say... < 1264799109 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style lovecraft < 1264799110 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: lovecraft (H. P. Lovecraft's writings) < 1264799118 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) < 1264799121 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that one ever worked very well. < 1264799121 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I think that's more appropriate for this venue, don't you? < 1264799122 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: subconscious alarm in his fnord to humour the fellow. if i could but learn to discover and read them? i did not have to ask. < 1264799153 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh. < 1264799174 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"* I'm too lame to read BitchX.doc *" < 1264799204 0 :whtspc_!n=whtspc@g231187.upc-g.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1264799209 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: feeling particularly noneuclidean today? < 1264799210 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what i did see was not spectacular, not grotesque or terrifying, yet it was none of nahum's family at all who made the family name as celebrated in ethnology as in exploration. in 1815 sir robert married a daughter of the seventh fnord fnord and fnord disordered sound; abysses whose material and fnord properties, and whose frightened appeals for government inquiry and action brought on the fnord arkham innsmouth newbury < 1264799230 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, I had just in the process of writing some sort of non-Euclidean reference, too. < 1264799235 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i say! < 1264799307 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style bunnicula < 1264799307 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not found. < 1264799313 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: hast du hastur? < 1264799314 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that night fnord me, i shut my eyes and beheld myself upon the platform of that lighthouse whence i had sailed so many aeons ago, before even the gods had danced upon its pointed peak, that mountain had spoken with fire and roared with the voices of ulthar's many cats, but that the priests in the masked and hooded columns are not human beings. < 1264799327 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too much fnording. < 1264799345 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style c64 < 1264799345 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: c64 (C64 programming material) < 1264799348 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too fnord, or not to fnord, that is the fnord < 1264799364 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: So, lay it on us. < 1264799364 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: to pass in front of, or in conjunction with the program above to allow an easier way to create a < 1264799708 0 :whtspc__!n=whtspc@g231187.upc-g.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1264799723 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. How can malicious Javascript cause a connection to a server other than the one hosting the malicious Javascript? < 1264799835 0 :soupdragon!n=quantum@unaffiliated/fax JOIN :#esoteric < 1264800088 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: By causing the client to submit a POST request that has contents that look like IRC connection initiation; I mean, JavaScript is perfectly capable of pressing the submit button of a form, and the form action field can be any URL. < 1264800116 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At least that's my guess; I'm not a web person.) < 1264800214 0 :Sgeo_!n=Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1264800222 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on the comments, that's somewhat close to what happens; they do say that their new ircd is clever enough to not just ignore the HTTP headers sent by the client. < 1264800288 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1264800296 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm going to register Sgeo_ and Sgeo__ < 1264800359 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is what they recommend. Sort-of, anyway. < 1264800366 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It's useful, but not required, to have an alternate nick grouped to your account. For example, if your primary nick is foo: < 1264800366 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /nick foo_ < 1264800366 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then < 1264800366 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /msg nickserv group" < 1264800382 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1264800383 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops < 1264800393 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I unregister this? < 1264800423 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Nick collision from services. < 1264800430 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Sgeo < 1264800443 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Sgeo_ < 1264800450 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny, switched monitor to dvi < 1264800459 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I get X display but not console < 1264800467 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder how to switch the frame buffer over to dvi < 1264800471 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone knows? < 1264800491 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the best shell script web server? < 1264800502 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Sgeo < 1264800507 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Sgeo_ < 1264800584 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Sgeo < 1264800592 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Sgeo_ < 1264800641 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Sgeo__ < 1264800653 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Sgeo < 1264800881 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Matroxfb had a custom option for selecting outputs; if it's vesafb, I doubt it has any way of choosing anything else than what the card thinks of as the primary thing when it gets initialized. Might be wrong, though. < 1264800941 0 :cheater3!n=cheater@ip-80-226-232-163.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1264800950 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My nvidia card (which, admittedly, has just two DVI connectors) sends the VGA text console to both outputs; I don't quite remember what the framebuffer console did. < 1264800975 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, mine has one vga and one dvi < 1264800989 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one it sends to depends on which was connected at boot < 1264801001 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soupdragon, the one written with dd/sh < 1264801020 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and yes it is vesafb < 1264801048 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well; do you happen to see the connectors as separate /dev/fbX devices or what? I don't really remember how that works; I would think it's just a single device. < 1264801058 0 :tombom_!i=tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1264801070 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, there is just /dev/fb0 < 1264801086 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ever noticed that option "digital vibrance" in nvidia-settings? What the heck is the point of it? < 1264801089 0 :cheater2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Connection timed out < 1264801116 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :SgWoggleNot < 1264801130 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume it does some made-to-look-more-colorful-to-a-layperson colorspace mangling. I don't remember when I last looked at nvidia-settings, though. < 1264801137 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their Windows display drivers are full of stuff like that too. < 1264801156 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1264801199 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"DVC is a patent pending innovation for controlling color separation and intensity and is bundled with the ForceWare software for desktop, workstation, platform, and mobile solutions." < 1264801204 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, they're even trying to patent it. < 1264801213 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the patent application -- if you can find it -- should say what it does. < 1264801232 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1264801244 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That was from the http://www.nvidia.com/object/feature_dvc.html hype-page.) < 1264801266 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Dry presentations receive a dramatic boost with more visual intensity." See, it can even make your boring powerpoint presentations interesting. < 1264801275 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would hope it changes the content there too. < 1264801352 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1264801374 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, btw, even monitor these days provides various "look better to lay persons" modes < 1264801399 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. Not to even start with digital cameras. < 1264801433 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine has a food photography mode, for example. < 1264801487 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and a "soft skin" mode, which applies some sort of a blur effect on all skin-colored parts of the image. < 1264801494 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :food photography? < 1264801501 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is one I never heard < 1264801508 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heard before* < 1264801513 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This mode allows you to take pictures of food with a natural hue without being affected by the ambient light in restaurants etc." < 1264801540 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, there is a skin tone option in my monitor's menus- < 1264801545 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/-/./ < 1264801546 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"* I'm too lame to read BitchX.doc *" < 1264801548 0 :muni!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1264801551 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what it does, it is greyed out < 1264801563 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably due to it being in "standard sRGB mode" < 1264801574 0 :SgWoggleNot!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Sgeo < 1264801604 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A friend has a camera that has a smile photography mode. When you turn it on, it uses the face recognition stuff to find faces, then waits until it sees something that approximates a smile (teeth showing is a good way to make it trigger) and then rapidly takes three pictures, though unfortunately with a two-seconds-or-so delay. < 1264801671 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh btw they call it "Splendid - Video Intelligence Technology" on the monitor < 1264801713 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh < 1264801771 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just pealed away the big colourful sticker saying "Splendid try me "/ < 1264801788 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/pealed/peeled/ < 1264801867 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1264801888 0 :soupdragon!n=quantum@unaffiliated/fax JOIN :#esoteric < 1264801943 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there goes the other stickers: Vista ready, HDCP, 8000:1, aspect control, "Asus RoHS Compliant" (wth is that?), and the model number. Sadly they were all on one. I would have been happy to keep the model number < 1264801960 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the glossy surface on the *sticker* was unacceptable < 1264801968 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reflections < 1264801976 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RoHS is some sort of not-too-toxic-stuff-used-when-building-the-thing spec. < 1264801983 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah well < 1264801986 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Directive on the restriction of the use of certain hazardous substances in electrical and electronic equipment". < 1264802007 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how did the abbrev come from that < 1264802011 0 :tombom__!i=tombom@82.27.31.203 JOIN :#esoteric < 1264802016 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also strange but I can find *no* TCO label < 1264802022 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They call it "Restriction of Hazardous Substances Directive" among friends. < 1264802105 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This one just has a tiny "HD ready" sticker -- which is not actually even very glossy -- in the corner. But maybe I have already removed some; I probably would have, if they had garish colors or something. < 1264802137 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, my old one just had some on the base of the monitor, in grey/white < 1264802147 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc vista ready and TCO99 < 1264802161 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"* I'm too lame to read BitchX.doc *" < 1264802169 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also why is every monitor black around the edges these days < 1264802176 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I much prefered light grey or beige < 1264802193 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like my old samsung syncmaster (very long ago) < 1264802216 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had adjustable height, unless you pay a lot these days, adjustable height also seems hard to find < 1264802224 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strange to call a 1920x1200 monitor "HD ready" anyway; I thought that -- around these parts, at least -- "HD ready" was the euphemism for the lower 1280x720 thing, with everything that has enough pixels for 1080p being called "Full HD". < 1264802240 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh < 1264802260 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1264802266 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm, I think all my monitors have adjustable height; can't be *that* uncommon. (Admittedly I haven't bought a monitor in the last few years. And there were some fixed-stand models around when I last looked, but not that many.) < 1264802278 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, this monitor is 1680x1050 < 1264802285 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that doesn't mean it is 19:9 < 1264802286 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because < 1264802299 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : resolution: 90x88 dots per inch < 1264802303 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from xdpyinfo) < 1264802304 0 :soupdragon!n=quantum@unaffiliated/fax JOIN :#esoteric < 1264802311 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's incorrect I believe) < 1264802352 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, the logo in fact looks like the "official" -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_ready -- one. I guess it does HDCP and such then. < 1264802399 0 :whtspc__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1264802422 0 :whtspc_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host) < 1264802463 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, really I don't want anything much larger than this. I already find the extra width a bit annoying < 1264802467 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would appear part of my problem is that church1 is not doing what you'd expect. < 1264802474 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(namely, \f x -> f x) < 1264802484 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never trust organized religion, that's a good motto. < 1264802486 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what is it doing instead? < 1264802489 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, :D < 1264802510 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Not evaluating its arguments. < 1264802515 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\f x->() < 1264802519 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1264802521 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so disorganised and unorganised ones are okay? < 1264802540 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, in the sense that they get less harm done. < 1264802540 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone heard from ehird? < 1264802547 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For curiosity's sake, I've gone ahead and made it strict in its arguments. < 1264802551 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: No, I haven't. < 1264802559 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what about Buddhism? < 1264802575 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly organised, but hardly very harmful. < 1264802605 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know about buddhism... the dude with the smile sort of looks like he's plotting something. < 1264802699 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, they mention stuff like "don't belive everything I tell you, use some critical thought" and "each to his/her own" (the latter is more specifically: other religions are okay as long as they aren't causing harm to people) < 1264802716 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also wordings aren't exactly thouse < 1264802718 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those* < 1264802738 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, well, maybe that's just what they *say*. I'd be a bit wary. < 1264802802 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, still, better than most religions. In part it is more of a philosophy than a religion < 1264802873 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"No matter what happens, never call on the government, the church, or any other massive controlling authority for help. They'll just send a brigade of soldiers to burn your entire village to the ground." -- The Grand List Of Console Role Playing Game Clichés < 1264802894 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well yes that is games. < 1264802906 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also link to that < 1264802919 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://project-apollo.net/text/rpg.html < 1264802931 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a feeling http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CorruptChurch might link to it too. < 1264802943 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At least there are several links to the list from tvtropes.) < 1264802946 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION whips out w3m < 1264802955 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w3m -dump even < 1264802981 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? no links < 1264803015 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err that is links as in , not as in /usr/bin/links < 1264803042 0 :soupdragon!n=quantum@unaffiliated/fax JOIN :#esoteric < 1264803077 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's certainly safer than lynx/links -dumps for tvtropes. < 1264803113 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1264803122 0 :tombom!i=tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1264803148 0 :soupdragon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1264803157 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that explains at least *some* things. church1's thunks are the only ones being called. < 1264803182 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow, it never ends up dethunking its arguments. < 1264803188 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even the one that it dethunks and calls. < 1264803278 0 :tombom_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1264803286 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, just tried lynx dump, it includes all the links at the end < 1264803295 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unacceptable < 1264803301 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So does "links -dump" too. < 1264803304 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ah < 1264803358 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do "lynx -dump -nolist" though. Though w3m asciifies some things better. < 1264803374 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also seems to use UTF-8 bullet-points for me by default.) < 1264803418 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection < 1264803422 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and it seems my terminal uses bitstream vera not dejavu < 1264803783 0 :augur_!n=augur@c-76-21-248-42.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1264803791 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, btw I played a bit of mario rpg recently, it was.... interesting... < 1264803841 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've played it a very very very tiny bit, too, but I've completely forgotten what it was like. (If you're talking about that SNES thing.) < 1264803908 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They do have those newer things too.) < 1264803945 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, snes of course < 1264803952 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are newer rpgs? < 1264803964 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I managed to get zsnes to produce a broken save < 1264803968 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so meh < 1264803969 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the Paper Mario series. < 1264803983 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, remember that locking up mupen64plus < 1264804001 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first one is N64, second one GameCube, and third one for Wii. < 1264804011 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1264804046 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also a couple of portable things named "Mario & Luigi: whatever"; one for the GBA and two for the DS. < 1264804060 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's worth doing, it's worth doing more for even more money. < 1264804089 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is paper mario about? < 1264804105 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You rescue a princess (gasp!). < 1264804113 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's a given < 1264804144 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't played them, I've just heard-of. < 1264804169 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, btw number 30 on that list does *not* apply to mario rpg < 1264804179 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that is due to mario of course < 1264804240 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, well, I doubt you can find any game to collect all of them. (Unless someone has explicitly had that as a goal. Hmm...) < 1264804244 0 :tombom__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) < 1264804264 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1264804451 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, in rule 42, what is "FMVs"? < 1264804479 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Full Motion Video", I believe. Not often seen in SNES games, for obvious reasons. < 1264804496 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what about zelda oot? < 1264804508 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in when you first approach the castle town < 1264804518 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that what it means < 1264804552 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It means any precalculated/actually-videographed movie-like cutscenes that aren't rendered with the game engine. < 1264804582 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm not rendering with the game engine would be rare wouldn't it? < 1264804636 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, now... it's not that rare to have "properly rendered" 3D cutscenes. PSX RPGs at least seem to do it a lot; you can fit a lot of video on the discs. < 1264804671 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any emulator for those? < 1264804702 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, didn't chrono trigger for that newer device do something like it? < 1264804709 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was drawn, not rendered iirc < 1264804717 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, they added some animation clips. < 1264804725 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the DS version includes those, actually. < 1264804737 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that is what I said < 1264804745 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the snes one is more original though! < 1264804757 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "newer device" I was thinking of was the Playstation 1. < 1264804765 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's where those chrono trigger videos were first seen. < 1264804766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh they ported it to that too? < 1264804815 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They did. There wasn't that much new in the PS version, except those video clips. < 1264804823 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1264804840 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bonus world-areas in the DS version are DS-only, for example. < 1264804848 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonus world? < 1264804850 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1264804866 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only played snes beyond the baasics < 1264804866 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lost Sanctum, Dimensional Vortex. Those two weren't in the SNES version. < 1264804875 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, where did you reach those? < 1264804928 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can go to Lost Sanctum after getting the wings for Epoch. < 1264804959 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is there? < 1264804962 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for Dimensional Vortex, you have to complete the game once to get there. < 1264804974 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what is there? < 1264804987 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lost Sanctum has a horrible number of really boring "fetch quest"-style things, which mainly involve incredible amounts of walking. < 1264804996 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I did them all, and it was quite a chore. < 1264805018 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You get all kinds of bits and pieces for reward there. < 1264805025 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what time period was it? < 1264805070 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in two; 65,000,000 B.C. and 600 A.D. < 1264805076 0 :soupdragon!n=quantum@unaffiliated/fax JOIN :#esoteric < 1264805078 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And most of the walking comes from flipping between those two. < 1264805088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1264805201 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for the dimensional vortex, that one sort-of is in the remaining three time periods (12000 B.C., 1000 A.D. and 2300 A.D.; I don't think 1999 counts); it's partially built from randomly selected maps from the "actual" game, plus some brand-new bits in the end. < 1264805270 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Story-wise the Lost Sanctum adds nothing important (well, it's a village of surviving reptites, but it's not like they *mean* anything); the Dimensional Vortex is a some sort of tie-in to the Chrono Cross story. < 1264805381 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You also get new items from those new bits, but, well, "meh". < 1264805430 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1264805448 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an upgraded version of the Rainbow, for example. < 1264805455 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1264805493 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has an attack power of 240 (compared to the Rainbow's 220) and does criticals 90 % of the time (compared to Rainbow's 70 %). < 1264805508 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1264805528 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course you get it from doing the final boss at the end of the Dimensional Vortex, so when you've gotten it, there's nothing in the whole game it won't be an overkill for. < 1264805539 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a couple of related tvtropes tropes about this sort of thing. :p < 1264805561 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :number 78 (pretty line syndrome) is at least not as common in snes rpgs. Some are slightly open-ended < 1264805577 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I much prefer open-ended btw) < 1264805654 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PC games -- well, the Elder Scrolls games, that is; I don't really know about much else -- have a bit of an edge in the open-endedness. In the console ones "open-ended" mostly seems to mean "just before finishing up the story, there's some free time to do sidequests". < 1264805670 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah :/ < 1264805778 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It's very much a genre thing. < 1264805805 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. I sort-of like both, so I don't really mind. < 1264805819 0 :coppro!n=coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1264805821 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that list really does contain some very common things. < 1264805825 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night all → < 1264805992 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Good night" < 1264806002 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Leaving" < 1264806882 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just heard one of the most horrific things I've ever heard playing on a radio in my life. < 1264806895 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An "emo-coustic" cover of Van Halen's "Jump". < 1264808135 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :"Nighty" < 1264809437 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote closed the connection