00:06:03 <Sgeo> Mathnerd314, protip: Start looking into it in February or so, instead of a week before the deadline
00:06:16 <Sgeo> Wait, I misinterpreted that as GSoC
00:11:10 <Mathnerd314> but no, no activity since Dec 2009 on GHOPC
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00:45:03 <uorygl> Mathnerd314, you're in high school?
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01:53:59 <oerjan> <oklopol> so i tell this uni friend about toi and he's fucking checked it out already :(
01:54:09 <oerjan> splendid! so when is he coming here? :D
01:54:19 <oerjan> (i mean, he must already be mad so...)
01:56:04 <oerjan> <Gregor> Despite my attempts, I can't find a way to make that a humorous statement due to the use of the word "fucking" ... it's hard to have sex with the action of checking out source files ...
01:56:24 <oerjan> (but i am _not_ checking)
02:01:39 <oerjan> what, i _said_ i wasn't checking.
02:02:27 <oerjan> just pointing out fundamental memetic law.
02:10:33 <oklopol> that is, at least he says he doesn't
02:10:40 <oklopol> perhaps he's here, spying on me
02:11:15 <oklopol> I KNOW YOU'RE HERE REVEAL YOURSELF
02:12:06 <oklopol> he's a bit of a noob in esolanging, just invented tree rewriting first time like a week ago
02:12:26 <oklopol> (when we had term algebras in universal algebra)
02:13:11 <oerjan> well sounds like a good time to invent it
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02:51:45 <uorygl> Tree rewriting? That sounds like the soul of Haskell.
02:53:05 <oklopol> tree rewriting is harder not to invent than to invent
02:53:34 <oklopol> it's the soul of everything
02:54:17 <oklopol> except in soviet russia, everything is the tree rewriting of a soul.
02:55:55 <Gregor> That was nonsense, then stupid, then DEEP.
02:56:27 <oklopol> that was what i thought too, although then i started wondering if it indeed still was stupid?
02:57:00 <oklopol> or more like actually than indeed, sometimes these meaningless words i like to add in sentences get in the way of meaning.
02:57:32 <oklopol> anyway i'm not sure i get it, but there's definitely something to it
03:09:05 <Mathnerd314> oklopol: how many tree rewriting languages do you know?
03:09:14 <uorygl> Oh boy. Regular expressions.
03:10:01 <uorygl> If a line looks like "c06p minra 59.64 reflect/mirror 3/4o lower score no conflict", I want the second word. I identify these words by the fact that they're a letter or a number, followed by two numbers, followed by maybe some letters, followed by some whitespace, followed by five letters, followed by some whitespace, followed by anything.
03:10:27 <uorygl> If a line looks like "jin mirr aina espex zierkal mira", I want all of it. I identify these lines by the fact that they have exactly six words and no letters or symbols.
03:10:28 <oklopol> Mathnerd314: dunno, none that make it explicit i guess
03:10:34 <uorygl> s/identify these words/identify these lines/
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03:10:46 <uorygl> So, would AWK or sed or something do that for me?
03:10:47 <oklopol> regexes aren't tree rewriting
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03:11:18 <oklopol> string rewriting is different than term rewriting
03:11:45 <oklopol> in my term-inology, it's a tree
03:12:11 <oklopol> i'm using "term" in the sense universal algebra uses it
03:13:07 <oklopol> so it's a tree, rooted ordered tree
03:17:29 <oklopol> yes, that's what a tree is
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03:22:19 <oklopol> but anyway by your definition regexes are term rewriting
03:22:32 <oklopol> why smallish? how do you define term exactly
03:22:48 <SgeoN1> http://i.imgur.com/244LT.jpg
03:23:42 <oklopol> i never look at a pic and then say shopped
03:24:31 <oklopol> god i hate it when people say things are shopped
03:24:51 <oklopol> "dat shadow tharr is completely wrong lol"
03:24:59 <oerjan> oklopol: btw soviet russia did some tree rewriting too, google for Refal :D
03:25:53 <oklopol> Unlike Lisp, Refal is based on pattern matching. Due to that, a typical program in Refal is on average two or three times shorter and more readable than a Lisp analog. Compared to Prolog, Refal is conceptually simpler. Its pattern matching works in the forward direction rather than backwards (starting from the goal) as in Prolog. This is a more natural approach to writing algorithms which also makes them easier to test and debug.
03:27:04 <oklopol> "Defining control structures is easy"
03:27:36 <oklopol> "the language XX is nice i like it see how easy better than Y"
03:28:07 <oklopol> no offense to anyone who takes offense in things like this
03:28:57 <oklopol> i'm gonna go to sleep now, wake up tomorrow and do stuff, but first the sleep
03:29:11 <oklopol> that sounds like a good plan
03:30:20 <oklopol> apparently i'm not allowed to go to sleep yet
03:33:22 <oerjan> in soviet russia, sleep allows you
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03:42:20 <oklopol> but anyway now i finally am allowed
03:42:25 <oklopol> and therefore i shall do it
03:42:41 <oklopol> and remember to behave as if god was watching
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05:38:55 <pikhq> Things like reconstructed proto-languages convince me that we should do linguists a major favor. Get them a time machine and a tape recorder.
05:44:48 <oerjan> i think the paleontologists would like a piece, too
05:45:39 <pikhq> And the creationists could be made to shut up quite easily.
05:46:23 <pikhq> Show them a few billion years of evolution in a few hours.
05:46:36 <pikhq> Oh, wait. Creationists. "THATS DEMON ELECTRICITY!"
05:46:50 <coppro> That's not a time machine; that's an elaborate hoak
06:11:42 <lament> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrubNXkm6IQ
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17:54:41 <fax> OH HEY GUYS
17:54:42 <fax> http://www.ted.com/talks/stephen_wolfram_computing_a_theory_of_everything.html
17:54:47 <fax> I just gave a talk
17:57:00 <fax> um sorry it's not actually me thats talking
17:57:18 <fax> I just say that incase alise is reading
17:59:16 <ais523> hmm, ah, you gave a talk without talking?
17:59:30 <fax> I just gave the link to it :x
18:01:32 <ais523> that seems a rather strange meaning of what you just said...
18:02:35 <fax> I was being silly because ehird makes fun of me about wolrfam
18:03:56 <ais523> hmm, thought inspired by conversation on #irp: we should write a program that causes random errors when run
18:04:02 <ais523> it wouldn't really matter if it were buggy
18:04:13 <ais523> in fact, such a program might be platonically not buggy
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19:28:32 <uorygl> Hmm, I sort of want to learn about non-US politics.
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19:29:57 <ais523> uorygl: you could learn about UK politics if you like?
19:30:04 <ais523> we have an election coming up
19:30:20 <uorygl> But I also sort of want to read Hackiki's source code so I can see how it works and estimate what it would take to turn it into a certain codenomic thingy.
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19:56:51 <pikhq> It wouldn't take much.
19:56:59 <pikhq> Hackiki is really not much code.
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20:15:17 <fizzie> oklopol: Why is your 'p' so small?
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20:34:06 <uorygl> Indeed, Hackiki is small.
20:34:58 <uorygl> I think, though, that Gregor has said that modifying it like this would mean modifying most of it.
20:36:28 <oklopol> fizzie: i decided to switch to uppercase at some point, but decided it'd be too much work to fix the existing text
20:39:37 <pikhq> LLVM 2.7 out. Glee.
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21:16:19 <pikhq> Perl is not a *terrible* language, it just makes no concessions to readability.
21:16:36 <ais523> pikhq: arguably, it's like it is /because/ it makes concessions to readability
21:16:37 <pikhq> And it is very much hackish.
21:16:41 <ais523> it gives the programmer a lot of leeway to make the code more readable
21:16:51 <ais523> ofc, the same leeway also lets them make it less readable, if they prefer
21:17:33 <pikhq> It's very good for quickly hacking something together.
21:17:52 <pikhq> And CPAN has a lot in it.
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21:52:04 <sekuoir> http://www.lovethecock.com/videos/fucked-from-behind-1782.html
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21:54:14 <ais523> sekuoir: are you being useful or just spamming?
21:56:08 <ais523> I find it hard to believe that a link like that could be ontopic
21:56:14 <ais523> and if it is, it has a rather unfortunate URL
21:57:29 <pikhq> Google Translateを使うのが好きだね。
21:57:51 <Mathnerd314> yeah, why are pikhq and sekuoir talking in japanese?
21:57:52 <Gregor> sekuoir, augur. augur, sekuoir.
21:58:05 <pikhq> Mathnerd314: That's what I do with trolls.
21:58:18 <pikhq> As for sekuoir, he seems to have found Google Translate.
21:58:50 <sekuoir> so I do not know language enough
21:58:58 <pikhq> Oh, so he's just writing Japanese that's weird-looking. Got it.
21:59:00 <fax> sekuoir: that's just gay sex
21:59:31 <Gregor> `addquote <fax> sekuoir: that's just gay sex <sekuoir> I am learning though!
21:59:47 <HackEgo> 154|<fax> sekuoir: that's just gay sex <sekuoir> I am learning though!
21:59:54 <sekuoir> fax, I am straight, I just send these links
22:00:04 <Gregor> sekuoir: Whatever you want to tell yourself.
22:00:27 <pikhq> sekuoir: It's okay, we don't judge.
22:00:28 <fax> I don't get along with 'straight' people
22:00:35 <sekuoir> pikhq, am I an embarrassment to my own people?
22:00:50 <Mathnerd314> fax: is that channel #haskell-whatever still going?
22:01:00 <fax> it died very quickly
22:01:10 <pikhq> (I'm questioning the scare quotes, not the meaning of the word, FWIW)
22:01:36 <fax> they aren't meant to be square quotes
22:01:49 <sekuoir> http://www.lovethecock.com/videos/bang-that-ass-4696.html
22:02:00 <ais523> I just don't understand why someone would come here to spam us with gay sex links
22:02:16 <Gregor> And I really don't understand why that's a "hahahahahaha" thing to do.
22:02:19 <ais523> and will casually namedrop a few ops in the hope they notice: fizzie oerjan lament
22:02:35 <Gregor> Those of us who enjoy gay porn have some free gay porn links, those of us who don't just ignore *shrugs*
22:02:41 <pikhq> I presume he likes phalluses.
22:03:14 <ais523> Gregor: I dislike ignoring people, really
22:03:27 <Gregor> I don't mean /ignore, I mean ignore.
22:03:50 <ais523> the ridiculous thing is, we could probably scare off trolls simply by having an /ontopic/ conversatoin
22:04:26 <pikhq> (BTW, sekuoir said "I am married to a woman." and I responded with "I don't believe you.")
22:04:37 <Gregor> Well, he's a woman inside.
22:04:43 <fax> http://i.imgur.com/4Cdlp.jpg
22:04:48 <ais523> how polite or insulting were the comments?
22:04:57 <ais523> fax: I guessed from context, but still
22:05:04 <Gregor> fax: laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawl
22:05:09 <ais523> hmm, I wonder if there's any way to get my IRC client to block links altogether? after all, i never click them
22:05:30 <fax> ais523: (I was kidding, it's a silly comic - nothing lewd)
22:05:43 <ais523> meh, I never click links /anyway/
22:06:21 <Mathnerd314> gtranslate keeps dropping the nots, I think
22:06:45 <pikhq> Mathnerd314: Google Translate sucks pretty hard-core at Japanese.
22:06:49 <ais523> someone link me to goatse or something, I want to check this
22:07:02 <pikhq> ais523: http://goatse.cx
22:07:06 <sekuoir> 韓国あなたは好きではない？これらの日本帝国主義のようですか？
22:07:23 <fax> that's not goatse
22:07:45 <ais523> fax: I think that's the first time I've seen someone disappointed in clicking a link and finding it wasn't goatse
22:07:50 <pikhq> あのね。その日本語はちょっと違うと思う。
22:08:11 <fax> I am thinking of installing ubuntu, but I'm worried it might be too difficult
22:08:33 <fax> furthermore, if I did install it - then how do I know it wont just break soon
22:09:42 <ais523> fax: installing it is pretty easy, but I wouldn't trust it to not randomly break
22:09:46 <ais523> that said, I use it as my only OS
22:10:02 <ais523> Mathnerd314: no, what a terribly horrible idea
22:10:37 <sekuoir> 日系アメリカ人です私の友人は、彼らが好きなように見える台湾外省人よりも中国。
22:11:18 <sekuoir> http://www.lovethecock.com/videos/twink-stud-dylan-2769.html
22:11:24 <fax> ais523 I put mac os x on my USB thing and that worked... I wonder if ubuntu will
22:11:27 <pikhq> I... Don't think I've ever seen such ungrammatical Japanese before.
22:11:43 <fax> well I guess I should try it
22:11:46 <ais523> fax: wait, hardly anything runs Mac OS X, except for actual Macs
22:11:53 <pikhq> I think he's starting to use English grammar?
22:11:54 <ais523> what sort of USB thing are you talking about?
22:11:55 <fax> I bought one of these USB things so I didn't ahve to burn so many CDs
22:12:06 <pikhq> Well, that was entertaining for a short bit. /ignore
22:12:07 <fax> ais523 yeah that's the problem.. I bought this computer a long time ago and it's a mac
22:12:22 <fax> so linux support is (I imagine) a lot less robust than otherwise
22:12:34 <ais523> meh, Linux support is almost official on Macs, at least if you pay them enough money
22:12:40 <Mathnerd314> yeah: "Goatse programing language: so open, it hurts." http://code.google.com/p/go/issues/detail?id=9#c248
22:12:54 <fax> ais523 - I don't mean people to ask help
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22:13:05 <fax> I just mean like... the thing breaks sometimes for no apparent reason
22:13:05 <ais523> because Apple have the "our hardware is the only hardware that runs all the three major OS lines" thing
22:13:14 <ais523> on the other hand, it doesn't do so as often as Windows
22:13:17 <fax> I had problems before
22:13:22 <ais523> and if you really care, you can normally discover the reason
22:13:33 <sekuoir> Anyone here use a distro other than Ubuntu
22:13:38 <fax> not me personally :/
22:13:43 <fax> I don't know anything about this stuff
22:13:53 <fax> that's probably why it breaks... to try and make me learn stuff I don't want to know
22:14:17 <ais523> sekuoir: that sort of trolling won't work here, incidentally, there are too many varying opinions who don't think that the other people's opinions are worthless
22:14:25 <ais523> and that's not a very conducive environment to start a flamewar in
22:14:35 <ais523> I mean, even the Emacs fans here think vi is perfectly usable, and vice versa
22:15:02 <sekuoir> I am an Ubuntu user too so I am not starting a Flamewar!
22:16:07 <ais523> actually, that's a good point, I haven't had a decent flamewar in a while
22:16:27 <Mathnerd314> I go to every channel; they say, "oh, we had some epic flamewars" -- 10 years ago
22:16:41 <sekuoir> Mathnerd314, flamewar embroild us to Unessesary link like porn and random trolls
22:17:01 <fax> I am not interested in anythign you guys are talking about
22:17:28 <fax> I am going ot download unbut
22:17:34 <ais523> hmm, maybe we should have a flamewar on the topic of stacks vs. queues
22:17:45 <fax> stacks vs. queues? THATs not even a VALID QUESTION
22:17:55 <sekuoir> they only have the RC release of Ubuntu 10.04
22:18:14 <fax> oh for goodness sake, it's not OUT yet
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22:18:15 <ais523> fax: download the stable version, not the beta of the next one
22:18:22 <sekuoir> no a flameware on Debian and Redhat
22:18:26 <fax> ais523, would that be 9.10
22:18:33 <fax> (that's what it says on /download)
22:18:33 <ais523> there are some pretty nasty bugs in the 10.04 beta, IIRC, which is why it's not out yet
22:18:38 <ais523> fax: yep, 9.10's what I'm using atm
22:18:47 <Phantom_Hoover> When I went from 9.04 to 9.10 it took ~5 hours to update.
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22:19:09 <ais523> the only nasty bug I've found there is one in the bootup screen that makes it hang for about half an hour, pretending it's forever
22:19:25 <ais523> Phantom_Hoover: new installs are actually faster than upgrades, as upgrades upgrade /all/ the software you have installed at the same time
22:19:33 <pikhq> ais523: vi is ENTIRELY UNUSABLE
22:19:44 <pikhq> Vim-mode, however...
22:19:50 <ais523> personally, I like to use the repos in Sweden
22:20:01 <ais523> they tend not to get overloaded much, and aren't that far from the UK
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22:20:25 <fax> 21:18 < ais523> the only nasty bug I've found there is one in the bootup screen that makes it hang for about half an hour, pretending it's forever
22:20:32 <fax> that's exactly the sort of thing I had problems with!!
22:20:35 <fax> but that was back on 9.10
22:20:44 <ais523> no, it's 9.10 I was referring to
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22:20:55 <fax> ais523 has it been fixed ?
22:21:00 <ais523> they rewrote all that code
22:21:08 <ais523> so yes, but the new version has some other nasty bugs IIRC
22:21:15 <ais523> maybe they've fixed those too now
22:21:18 <fax> it's impossible to do anything
22:21:52 <ais523> really I'd go back to 8.04 if I wanted something that actually worked properly for me, but different versions seem to work better for different people
22:23:27 <fax> it was frustrating because I bought this USB thing since someone told me arch would definitely work with that (it wasn't booting off CDs) ... turns out it didn't wokr
22:24:50 <fizzie> I have complained about this on and off, but since you're talking about Ubuntu repositories; I have an old-ish PowerPC iBook, and since they've de-officialized the PowerPC Ubuntu port, the mirrors won't carry packages for it; there's just ports.ubuntu.com, and that's slow as.. a slow thing. (Well, not always. But often.)
22:25:41 <fax> why do they call them "thumb drives" They don't have thumbs and they aren't a disk drive
22:25:59 <ais523> they're vaguely thumb-shaped, and they act like a disk drive
22:26:04 <fizzie> Someone installed one in place of an (amputated) thumb, also. I think.
22:26:18 <ais523> also, looks like the troll's gone now
22:26:24 <fizzie> "Jerry Jalava replaces amputated finger with 2GB USB stick"
22:26:31 <fax> I can link to gay porn if you need
22:26:39 <fizzie> http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/wacky/nerds-finger-now-usb-stick/story-e6frev20-1111119167767
22:26:43 <fizzie> I'm not exactly sure why.
22:26:47 <ais523> I don't particularly need gay porn links
22:26:57 <fizzie> "When I'm using the USB, I just leave my finger inside the slot and pick it up after I'm ready."
22:27:12 <fax> idk that sounds dumb
22:27:21 <fax> I wonder how fast he can type
22:27:46 <fizzie> He lost the finger in a crash, that is; he didn't just lop off a perfectly good finger.
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22:28:02 <fizzie> That would be rather sillier.
22:28:50 <pikhq> ais523: Presumably you can Google.
22:29:13 <ais523> I'm not particularly good at finding anything via Google
22:29:28 <pikhq> ZOMG YOU CAN'T GOOGLE NOES
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22:30:29 <ais523> possibly because I have Google locked down really tightly from my primary browser, it isn't even allowed to set cookies
22:33:57 <fizzie> Fungot nethack tweetery: "and finally brought down again and again he waved the green thing. then at last had to give it to open it; it was..." -- gets cut off right when it turns interesting!
22:35:28 <ais523> that would have been great to quote at the troll
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22:39:08 <fax> ais523, interesting
22:39:15 <fax> why did you do that? (I think it sounds very wise)
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22:49:45 <ais523> fax: oh, mostly because I'm really dubious about half the stuff it does
22:49:53 <ais523> and because it works just fine without scripts or cookies anyway
22:51:50 <fax> ais: so am I but I don't do anything about it :S
22:52:25 <ais523> time to go home, anyway
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23:17:30 <oerjan> <ais523> I just don't understand why someone would come here to spam us with gay sex links
23:17:41 <oerjan> somehow i don't find that surprising at all
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23:24:48 <oerjan> <fax> I am going ot download unbut <- unbuttu, would that be the goatse operating system?
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23:26:29 <fax> is not good
23:26:37 <fax> that's all I have to say
23:26:53 <oerjan> it seemed a natural consequence of the conversation previous to what i quoted
23:27:53 <oerjan> <fax> stacks vs. queues? THATs not even a VALID QUESTION <-- people who ask such questions are just not playing with a full deque
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23:35:31 <oerjan> <fax> why do they call them "thumb drives" They don't have thumbs and they aren't a disk drive <-- i cannot really put my finger on it
23:39:59 <oerjan> why the sad, mechanical face
23:40:39 <fax> I lik liatx
23:41:28 <nooga> my gsoc project was not accepted
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