< 1273104605 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1273104859 0 :Oranjer!~HP_Admini@adsl-34-17-217.cae.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1273104908 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1273105023 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does one become a millionaire? < 1273105039 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you really want to know? < 1273105055 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you start as a billionaire and then you use money like crazy < 1273105074 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that does not count < 1273105090 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Malcolm Gladwell has some theories in his book Outliers, nooga < 1273105095 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :highly recommended < 1273105146 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, one needs 10,000 hours to become a good enough expert in a field to make the big bucks < 1273105226 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't even bargain properly < 1273105376 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: Two options: luck, and being born a millionaire. < 1273105429 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I disagree--luck provides the opportunity, perhaps, but hard work is usually necessary to act on it < 1273105471 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure that iI < 1273105486 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'I've spent more than 10000 hours using my computer < 1273105706 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10,000 hours is roughly 10 years < 1273105715 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it isn < 1273105743 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't just "using" something, it's practicing something--continually pushing toward the perfection of this use < 1273105790 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1273105821 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think another aspect of success is that you have to dare < 1273105843 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to take action and risk < 1273105848 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10,000 hours is about 5 years working full time. < 1273105888 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 1.56981132075472 < 1273105897 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :years < 1273105905 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :working 24/7 < 1273105920 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Working 24/7 is plausible, if dreaming counts. < 1273105958 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer: 10,000 hours is a year and a couple months. < 1273105980 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, not 24/7 < 1273105983 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`calc 10000 hours in years < 1273105986 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 000 hours = 1.14079553 years < 1273106012 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl's estimate is better--I am wondering how Gladwell came up with the ten years he often cites in his book < 1273106036 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who *merely* works full time on something? :P < 1273106038 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :roughly it's like working 4 hours a day for 1 years < 1273106039 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By assuming you practice for 20 hours a week, I guess. < 1273106062 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10* < 1273106083 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i've had error because of int/float conversion < 1273106083 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the time you hit competence, you're likely to spend much, much more time doing... Whatever. < 1273106094 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 hours a day seems like it wouldn't be your job, just a hobby < 1273106096 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming you actually give a damn about it. < 1273106109 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean, pikhq < 1273106132 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try and make it so you could get paid doing $thing? < 1273106156 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'm going to go try to save the world again. < 1273106166 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Again" attaches to "try" there, not "save".) < 1273106171 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, the three are venn diagram, pikhq? < 1273106178 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :paid for, enjoy, good at? < 1273106201 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :save the world how, uorygl? < 1273106201 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've noticed that i love to do stupid things like esolangs and i can spend days on stupid experiments with electronics < 1273106216 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but when i must code something useful - i procrastinate < 1273106231 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2010/05/04/f-gollom-arizona-immigration.html < 1273106325 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :useless and bizzare = cool < 1273107050 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, there's nothing better than setting your alarm clock in cron < 1273107769 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1273109483 0 :augur!~augur@c-68-34-18-48.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1273111214 0 :Tritonio_GR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1273112037 0 :ojomistico!~albert_53@adsl-8-208-200.mia.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1273112081 0 :ojomistico!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1273112194 0 :coppro!~coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1273112305 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :`q` < 1273113176 0 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1273116270 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1273116331 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1273116859 0 :cal153!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1273117289 0 :Alex3012!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1273120116 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1273120303 0 :bsmntbombdood!~gavin@97-118-202-110.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1273120471 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1273123392 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1273123421 0 :coppro!~coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1273125183 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1273125192 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1273125403 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1273126325 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1273127174 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: restart < 1273128661 0 :coppro!~coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1273129408 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1273129659 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1273129671 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am learning qwerty! < 1273129683 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so difficult! < 1273130099 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what < 1273130108 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qwerty wasn't the first layout you learned? < 1273130110 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1273130111 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :   | < 1273130111 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  /´\ < 1273130249 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1273130261 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i learned dvorak first < 1273130267 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :many years ago < 1273130278 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now switching is hard! < 1273130279 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1273130282 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did that come about? < 1273130289 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i switched the other direction ;) < 1273130292 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i found it quite easy < 1273130384 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe because qwerty is just harder :) < 1273130436 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1273130448 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o/ < 1273130448 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                         | < 1273130448 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                         >\ < 1273130449 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's less natural feeling, yes < 1273130454 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't suspect it's any harder to learn < 1273130464 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are, of course, avoiding dvorak like the plague? < 1273130478 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only real way to learn is to go cold turkey on what you know < 1273130481 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im especially confused by the letters b and y < 1273130486 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yeah < 1273130489 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck that, i always mix up b < 1273130491 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and x < 1273130495 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not so much y < 1273130500 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're very close to their dvorak positions, but on opposite hands < 1273130508 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much exactly why < 1273130544 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could always learn colemak or something haha < 1273130547 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is #esoteric after all < 1273130548 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also i just keep instinctively typing in dvorak < 1273130551 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never < 1273130554 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why restrict it to just languages? < 1273130564 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's all type in esoteric keyboard layouts too! < 1273130573 0 :cal153!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1273130576 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :colemak is a dvorak substitute < 1273130585 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :honestly it took me about a week to learn to touch type dvorak from knowing qwerty < 1273130598 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't expect it will take you much different to do the reverse, if you just irc a lot < 1273130614 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eventually i relearned qwerty and now i'm pretty much bilingual < 1273130618 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im touch typing, just really slowly < 1273130621 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can type about 100wpm in either < 1273130626 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yeah < 1273130629 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the think-and-peck stage ;) < 1273130635 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah :) < 1273130647 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i was up to about 30wpm in a month < 1273130656 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one-letter-at-a-time stage < 1273130664 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but without the pauses for "where the hell is that key?" < 1273130665 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you ever confuse layouts < 1273130668 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1273130677 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly because of environmental conditioning < 1273130682 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd be hard pressed to type qwerty at home < 1273130693 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though i have an easier time typing dvorak arbitrarily on any other keyboard < 1273130695 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im especially worried about things like vim < 1273130708 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man < 1273130716 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hjkl on qwerty is dumb :) < 1273130717 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did you get by in a program like that with dvorak as your la yout? < 1273130720 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :layout* < 1273130723 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1273130727 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very easily < 1273130727 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1273130738 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most vim shortcuts are mnemonics < 1273130744 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for hjkl < 1273130752 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that helps i guess < 1273130758 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and those actually make more sense on dvorak imo < 1273130767 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of games and various programs have button choices based on physical location on a qwerty layout though, at least in part < 1273130775 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1273130778 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hjkl makes no sense on dvorak :P < 1273130785 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zxc is big < 1273130788 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :h and l are completely arbitrary < 1273130790 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes lots of sense < 1273130800 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if jk was like left-right then i guess that pair would be ok at least < 1273130810 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't actually know vi keys, but i think hjkl was navigation? < 1273130812 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right hand is for moving horizontally < 1273130822 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :h is for left, l is for right < 1273130832 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it worked out that way < 1273130835 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats why they're on opposite sides < 1273130839 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on dvorak) < 1273130845 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's still a bit of a stretch to say it makes sense :P < 1273130852 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :left hand is for moving vertically < 1273130866 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and j and k are both very convenient < 1273130901 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on qwerty its stupid because you cant actually put your fingers over hjkl < 1273130921 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right hand: one space to the left < 1273130921 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :done < 1273130927 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you move them from the home position in a way in which you would never do otherwise < 1273130952 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and moving your hand away from home key is better than using TWO hands in weird arbitrary ways? ;) < 1273130955 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i wanted to move my hand from the home position, id use a mouse < 1273130985 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hl on dvorak is not exactly home position either < 1273130988 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor is jk < 1273130989 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is < 1273130999 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :l is on the top row < 1273131004 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :h is the only homerow key < 1273131008 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so? h remains on h < 1273131025 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your hand is on the home position if any fingers are on the right home keys < 1273131042 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your mind knows the exact location of everything < 1273131045 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1273131062 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have little bumps on the index home row buttons < 1273131065 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are plenty to orient me < 1273131087 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly, that's why there're only two bumps and not 8 < 1273132236 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1273132799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1273132800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1273133303 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1273133602 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1273133880 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1273136191 0 :gm|lap!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1273137291 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1273138382 0 :Tritonio_GR!~Tritonio@150.140.229.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1273141331 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1273141467 0 :lereah_!~lereah@nanpc301.in2p3.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1273142052 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-66-252-197.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1273144769 0 :gm|lap!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ilua < 1273144844 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1273146803 0 :hiato!~fdulu@41-132-16-47.dsl.mweb.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1273150764 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1273151111 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1273151139 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1273151172 0 :Leonidas!~Leonidas@unaffiliated/leonidas JOIN :#esoteric < 1273151178 0 :jix!~jix@tomakin.h-ix.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1273151468 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1273152171 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1273152674 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1273152968 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1273153088 0 :Tritonio_GR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1273157471 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1273157939 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1273158242 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: underflow < 1273158357 0 :phantomhoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1273158379 0 :phantomhoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It appears that there is no Core Wars fanfic on the web. < 1273158384 0 :phantomhoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This must be rectified < 1273158391 0 :phantomhoover!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Phantom_Hoover < 1273158742 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1273158743 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it's a machine that looks like you! you shall find bekkler! executing program. please let me go... put me out! he's really a tricycle! pass him! < 1273158756 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Help. < 1273158757 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: by thy leave, crono?!! you brought back my cat! thank you, crono! < 1273158775 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you, fungot. < 1273158776 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the king awaits. you saved our queen? you see, the mammon machine!? < 1273158784 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That will be enough. < 1273158941 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does he do this every time someone says "fungot"? < 1273158942 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i'd like to see that mystical sword for myself! geez! < 1273159440 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungotfungotfungot < 1273159445 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot fungot fungot < 1273159454 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1273160184 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1273160253 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: adu < 1273161187 0 :jix!~jix@tomakin.h-ix.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1273163048 0 :beinghuman!~beinghuma@unaffiliated/curtb JOIN :#esoteric < 1273163081 0 :beinghuman!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is esoteric programming? < 1273163098 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programming for insane people. < 1273163104 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolang.org/wiki < 1273163140 0 :beinghuman!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they insane because their wiki doesn't load? < 1273163145 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki < 1273163151 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always get that wrong. < 1273163196 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More generally esoteric languages that aren't designed for practical programming. < 1273163247 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some are to investigate ideas, some are meant to be deliberately impossible, and some are just jokes. < 1273163279 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and minimalism. Mustn't forget minimalism. < 1273163292 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :painful minimalism < 1273163302 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scheme is minimalist, but its not esoteric because its actually usable. < 1273163309 0 :beinghuman!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm looking for a room on freenode full of people willing to beta test opensource software < 1273163332 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try #opensourcebetas < 1273163369 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1273163397 0 :beinghuman!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1273163438 0 :beinghuman!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: thanks. as soon as I mentioned it in that room about 50 people volunteered. < 1273163444 0 :beinghuman!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then left < 1273163538 0 :beinghuman!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's up with the topic? < 1273163559 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mentioned it a while ago and alise thought it was hilarious. < 1273163568 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No-one's been bothered to change it since. < 1273163590 0 :beinghuman!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get why it's hilarious < 1273163594 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Not infact a place to find opensource beta testers. | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1273163595 0 :beinghuman!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not surprising really < 1273163649 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Not, in fact, a place to find open-source beta testers. < 1273163652 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grammar. < 1273163668 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :link. < 1273163669 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops. < 1273163675 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also fuck your grammar, bitch < 1273163680 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that aint grammar < 1273163682 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats spelling < 1273163695 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was both, actually < 1273163699 0 :beinghuman!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's esoteric pro-grammar < 1273163700 0 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1273163703 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not, in fact, a place to find open-source beta testers. | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1273163704 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it wasnt both. < 1273163712 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY BRAIIIIIIIIIIIIN < 1273163733 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about it? < 1273163734 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was nothing but orthography. < 1273163741 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Commas, too. < 1273163745 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :commas are orthography. < 1273163753 0 :beinghuman!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah < 1273163771 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTML is decadent and capitalist! < 1273163777 0 :beinghuman!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://conservapedia.com/Conservapedia:Richard_Dawkins_Project#Dawkins_the_clown < 1273163793 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: But not spelling. < 1273163800 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true. < 1273163806 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence why i said it was nothing but orthography < 1273163811 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afterwards. < 1273163816 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not, however, grammar. < 1273163820 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aye < 1273163831 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beinghuman: Out of curiosity, how did you find this place? < 1273163833 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you know about ortography! < 1273163837 0 :beinghuman!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /list < 1273163840 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: im a linguist. < 1273163841 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to spell it! < 1273163889 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as you can seen from wikipedia, i don't consider orthography to be grammar: "Linguists do not normally use the term to refer to orthographical rules, although usage books and style guides that call themselves grammars may also refer to spelling and punctuation." < 1273163892 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: check out ż/rz h/ch Å„/ni Ä…/om ć/ci and separate nie- < 1273163901 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("the term" there being "grammar") < 1273163930 0 :lereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1273163931 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine. s/Grammar/Orthography/ < 1273163937 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Happy? < 1273163939 0 :beinghuman!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol at this shit storm for dawkins calling the pop a soft pedophile < 1273163943 0 :beinghuman!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pope < 1273163952 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1273163978 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. Now we can go back to... Um... < 1273163997 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not beta testing software. < 1273164042 0 :MizardX!~MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1273164241 0 :beinghuman!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.truefreethinker.com/about < 1273164243 0 :beinghuman!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't tell < 1273164248 0 :beinghuman!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this site an elaborate joke? < 1273164255 0 :beinghuman!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or am I falling prey to Poe's law here? < 1273164276 0 :beinghuman!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that picture just makes me think it could be fake < 1273164285 0 :beinghuman!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean... he can't be serious < 1273164392 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Not, in fact, a place to find open-source beta testers. | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1273164451 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Clearly there should be a language where all the punctuation is actually grammatically relevant. < 1273164483 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1273164492 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :punctuation is an orthographic device conventionalized to demarcate different grammatical properties < 1273164500 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suck at this whole topic thing. < 1273164506 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but punctuation doesn't exist in the language itself < 1273164615 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. My thoughts were more along the lines of making punctuation just be a very, very short way of writing some sort of word or phrase that should be said in various places. For instance, "foo, bar, qux quuxy." would be read as "foo comma bar comma qux quuxy stop". < 1273164620 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is, of course, silly. < 1273164647 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plenty of programming languages do that. < 1273164691 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1273164695 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways. All this is still kinda beside the point. < 1273164717 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That being "orthography is not 'part of the language' but rather just some conventions to encode it" < 1273164743 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it evidently isn't part of the language. < 1273164749 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't pronounce it. < 1273164866 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: its doable. in written japanese, for instance, i believe the convention is to use periods to end sentences. asking a question is either "nani nani ka." or "nani nani?" < 1273164866 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The language I'm speaking would still be English, even if I opted to write it using Chinese characters. < 1273164880 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the ? sort of consumes the ka (and .) < 1273164907 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chinese characters aren't built for expressing English < 1273164927 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Not *quite* the same. "?", much like in English, is merely indicative of an inquisitive tone. < 1273164936 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor, in fact, are Latin characters. < 1273164944 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why English spelling is insane. < 1273164948 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then what? < 1273164961 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: Surprisingly, it works quite decently when you treat it a bit like Japanese does. < 1273164969 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: well, syntacticians would say the inquisitive tone is actually the result of a silent "ka" in there ;) < 1273164986 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Isn't necessarily *actually* a question. < 1273165000 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither are things in english with said tones! < 1273165005 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1273165011 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ášášƒášŠášŒ < 1273165019 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas with "ka", it absolutely must be a question. < 1273165027 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true enough < 1273165029 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: listen to Japanese speaking English < 1273165042 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: ? < 1273165055 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bible black -> baiiuburu buraku < 1273165061 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rissen tsu japonizu supeakingu ingurishu < 1273165067 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that. < 1273165068 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1273165078 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer listening to Japanese speaking Japanese. < 1273165099 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The English mangling, it is much less. < 1273166033 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1273166051 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1273166091 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hellote. < 1273166098 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellote < 1273166099 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1273168178 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1273168296 0 :beinghuman!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1273168327 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1273168374 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're dropping like flies... < 1273170503 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1273170528 0 :phantomhoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1273170727 0 :kwertii!~kwertii@ResNet-33-228.resnet.ucsb.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1273170871 0 :Rugxulo!~user@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1273171144 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is confused ... wtf is Conservapedia? < 1273171168 0 :phantomhoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The right-wing Christian version of Wikipedia. < 1273171173 0 :phantomhoover!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Phantom < 1273171181 0 :Phantom!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Phantom_Hoover < 1273171190 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's what they claim to be. < 1273171282 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1273171385 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never heard of it < 1273171400 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew there were other *pedias (uncyclopedia, most notably), though < 1273171416 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conservapedia was pretty funny back in the day. < 1273171432 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it's just a bunch of trolls and morons trolling and being moronic. < 1273171520 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vs. the rest of the Internet??? < 1273171549 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, and the rest of the Internet isn't entertaining. < 1273171563 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And contains no Core War fanfic, which is appalling. < 1273171666 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not even erotic Core War fanfics? How strange. < 1273171678 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would that work...? < 1273171686 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to think about that. < 1273171717 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why'd you ask, then? Anyway, I assume you'd just describe the actions of the programs in a sexy way, or something. < 1273171736 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.atariage.com/software_page.html?SoftwareLabelID=119 < 1273171755 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry, it's very tame ;-) < 1273171780 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tame? There's photorealistic (well, almost) pictures of nude people in it! < 1273171812 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :photorealistic? hardly < 1273171818 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very bad pixelated art < 1273171823 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very very pixelated < 1273171837 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I try to write erotic Core War fanfic here as a joke, but I can never finish the sentences. < 1273171884 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, this is one argument against unlocked consoles ;-) < 1273171893 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: You just need to squint a bit. < 1273171895 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people make strange stuff sometimes ;-)) < 1273171920 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can barely tell who the man is! < 1273171948 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a bit less work-safe more of same, there's a cracked.com list, http://www.cracked.com/article_17206_the-10-most-perverted-old-school-video-games.html < 1273171962 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't click if you're not the sort of person who should be clicking that sort of links, and so on. < 1273172049 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's hardly too bad if it's fake art < 1273172096 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strip Fighter? heh < 1273172206 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, I think Atari was offended that their unlocked 2600 had so many lame games from third parties, hence they made later consoles have to be signed first < 1273172614 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1273172769 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rotflmao : http://cdn-www.cracked.com/articleimages/ob/seanbaby/naughty04b.gif < 1273172777 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Atari 2600 graphic, horribly bad) < 1273172784 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/bad/badly drawn/ < 1273172830 0 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1273172866 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that doesn't make you laugh, nothing will ;-) < 1273172943 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boong-ga Boong-ga ... ha, lamest . game . evah < 1273173098 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1273173244 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol "WHY THE HELL WOULD ANYONE STICK THEIR FINGER UP RANDOM STRANGER'S ASSES FOR FUN. < 1273173244 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GODDAMNIT JAPAN WHY?" < 1273173287 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the damn comments are funnier than the article! < 1273173305 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will award one internet to the first person who can write erotic Core War fanfic. < 1273173325 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can make it slashfic you win first prize. < 1273173462 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In Japan, there is even a TV gameshow where a celebrity routinely kanchÅs random people" ... yikes! < 1273173559 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kanchou is... Fucking bizarre. < 1273173571 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1273173586 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even by Japanese standards. < 1273173609 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1273174304 0 :pgimeno!~pgimeno@195-5-95-34.usul.arrakis.es JOIN :#esoteric < 1273174512 0 :cal153!~cal@client-235-129.events.shownets.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1273175447 0 :phantomhoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1273175572 0 :cal153!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1273178051 0 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1273178064 0 :phantomhoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1273178222 0 :phantomhoover!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Phantom_Hoover < 1273178248 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs) < 1273178460 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!pmars < 1273178465 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell < 1273178502 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell (\f x -> f $ f $ f x) < 1273178591 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c *0; < 1273178594 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not compile. < 1273178652 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int *p = (int *) 0; printf("%d\n", *p); < 1273178654 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :./interps/gcccomp/gcccomp: line 52: 1679 Segmentation fault /tmp/compiled.$$ < 1273178663 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh ls /tmp < 1273178664 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :input.1700 < 1273178695 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh ls / < 1273178696 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin < 1273178711 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1273178719 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1273178720 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help . < 1273178729 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help userinterps < 1273178730 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :userinterps: Users can add interpreters written in any of the languages in !help languages. See !help addinterp, delinterp, show | !userinterps. List interpreters added with !addinterp. < 1273178739 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help addinterp < 1273178740 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :addinterp: !addinterp . Add a new interpreter to EgoBot. This interpreter will be run once every time you type ! , and receive the program code as input. < 1273179164 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c ((void(*)())NULL)(); < 1273179165 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :./interps/gcccomp/gcccomp: line 52: 1887 Segmentation fault /tmp/compiled.$$ < 1273179182 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perfect. < 1273179223 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What other outcome did you expect? < 1273179273 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly I expected there to be a function at NULL. < 1273179282 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Clearly*. < 1273179680 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c 0xFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF < 1273179696 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d\n", 0xFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF); < 1273179697 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-1 < 1273179703 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error: Murder. < 1273179712 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d\n", 0xFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF); < 1273179713 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-1 < 1273179716 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d\n", 0xFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF); < 1273179717 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-1 < 1273179738 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%p\n", 0xFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF); < 1273179739 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0xffffffffffffffff < 1273179754 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Congrats, you've learned about truncation! < 1273179765 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was curious, OK? < 1273179771 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... And a little bit about two's complement. < 1273179780 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already knew about that! < 1273179791 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-a = ~a+1 < 1273179795 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt that! < 1273179856 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just demonstrated that I do! < 1273180240 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lies and I feel like having a sandwich! < 1273180390 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1273182691 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Seeeeeya < 1273183396 0 :dbc!~daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1273183398 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1273183842 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1273183860 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1273183891 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, what party best represents the views of the esoteric programmers? < 1273183936 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1273183950 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on region, particular esoteric programmer, and whether or not we have to pick ones that are in any way influential. < 1273183997 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I thought hagbart was the guy in the Illuminatus! trilogy. < 1273184048 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm could be, i haven't read that < 1273184067 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But whose policies consider the downtrodden esoteric programmers? < 1273184077 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :another machine here is named tyrell, obviously from bladerunner < 1273184088 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't read it either... < 1273184098 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Puroguramatou! < 1273184111 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :プログラマ党! < 1273184111 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh hagbart is a norwegian name < 1273184122 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly not a real party. < 1273184141 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some of the other machines (at least used to be) named after norwegian children's movie characters < 1273184151 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(kanutten & romeo-klive) < 1273184238 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Norway seems interesting... < 1273184279 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvg's first server was named swix, after a norwegian ski wax < 1273184291 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it was a vax running ultrix) < 1273184320 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NVG? < 1273184328 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nettverksgruppa < 1273184342 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translate nettverksgruppa < 1273184350 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :var sl_select, tl_select, web_sl_select, web_tl_select;var ctr, web_ctr, h;var tld = ".com";var sug_lab = "";var sug_thk = "";var sug_exp = "";var dhead = "Dictionary";var dmore = "View detailed dictionary";var tr_in = "Translating...";var isurl = "";var show_roman = "Show romanization";var hide_roman = < 1273184357 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1273184362 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that helps. < 1273184364 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assumed you got hagbart from my hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no reverse ip address < 1273184369 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1273184377 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the network(ing) group" < 1273184383 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a computer club < 1273184392 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are computer clubs? < 1273184412 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real Programmers don't spend time with other people! < 1273184413 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the ntnu university < 1273184435 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it actual has two computer clubs (the other being pvv, programvareverkstedet) < 1273184438 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ly < 1273184463 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well i haven't visited the actual club location for years < 1273184506 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not since the great move (part of the merger of the two parts of university that the two computer clubs were at) < 1273184524 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just use my old shell account and web page there < 1273184552 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You people and your big networks. < 1273184557 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in earlier times, we used to have pizza nights and stuff < 1273184586 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is possible the more active people still do < 1273184592 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real Programmers eat whatever's stuck in their chair! < 1273184608 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not really a real programmer anyway < 1273184618 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evidently. < 1273184784 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in fact i've been wondering about that hagbart name myself, it's not a character i recognise < 1273184800 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's actually Hagbard. < 1273184917 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1273184935 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there were enough hits for hagbart celine that i didn't notice < 1273184940 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what do you do? < 1273184962 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only hagbard has a wikipedia page, obviously < 1273184976 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, absolutely nothing < 1273185005 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would appear that hagar the horrible is called hagbard in danish < 1273185019 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and hÃ¥rek in norwegian fwiw) < 1273185132 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both being more genuine viking names < 1273185228 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vikings! < 1273185515 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still feel that the world needs Corw War fanfic. < 1273185522 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Corw/Core/ < 1273185555 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erotic fanfic would be even better. < 1273185786 0 :gm|lap!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1273186047 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: null < 1273186729 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1273186933 0 :adam_d!~Adam@cpc2-acto6-0-0-cust48.brnt.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1273187432 0 :phantomhoover!~phantomho@cpc5-sgyl29-2-0-cust220.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1273187713 0 :cal153!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1273187822 0 :phantomhoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1273188151 0 :gm|lap!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ilua < 1273188659 0 :P4!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1273188667 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1273188800 0 :coppro!~coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1273188924 0 :P4!P4@unaffiliated/p4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1273189330 0 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric