< 1274832103 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1274832170 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I figured it was too late there < 1274832182 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid timezones :-P < 1274832479 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : OK, so can a von Neumann CA be represented as a non-planar graph? < 1274832502 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, the neighborhood graphs for _both_ von Neumann and Moore neighboorhoods are planar. < 1274832544 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you mean anything else by represented, please specify. also, please read the logs. < 1274832566 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er wait < 1274832573 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not Moore < 1274832586 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but definitely von Neumann < 1274832985 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Rugxulo < 1274833325 0 :Oranjer!~HP_Admini@adsl-243-203-60.cae.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1274833548 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translate Ellas comen unos tostitos. < 1274833564 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1274834071 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: that lazy bum Gregor told me we should fix `translate ourselves < 1274834083 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'll show him. i'll out-lazy him! < 1274834086 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm bin/translate < 1274834088 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1274834088 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fixed. < 1274834098 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Win. < 1274834107 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translate I don't think that makes a difference < 1274834108 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1274834126 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1274834702 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1274835042 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1274835895 0 :Oranjer!~HP_Admini@adsl-243-203-60.cae.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1274835999 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-106-123-171.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1274836035 0 :coppro!~coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1274836121 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1274836506 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :pikhq < 1274837513 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1274837964 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1274838296 0 :Zuu!zuu@0x55529f1b.adsl.cybercity.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1274838296 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1274838297 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1274838474 0 :bsmntbombdood!~gavin@174-16-196-52.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1274841454 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1274841805 0 :augur!~augur@ool-4a5806a9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1274842404 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1274842626 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1274843320 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1274843620 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :javawizard2539 < 1274843624 0 :javawizard2539!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :javawizard < 1274843626 0 :javawizard!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :jcp < 1274843982 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1274844129 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1274844325 0 :Oranjer!~HP_Admini@adsl-243-203-60.cae.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1274845096 0 :augur!~augur@ool-4a5806a9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1274845579 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1274845675 0 :augur!~augur@ool-4a5806a9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1274845815 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brussel sprouts are so good omg < 1274845900 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially with butter, heavy cream or something like that? :-> < 1274846004 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's "Brussel's sprouts" < 1274846014 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm < 1274846018 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minus the apostrophe :P < 1274846040 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's hard to type Brussels without thinking it's a possessive. < 1274846102 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no < 1274846119 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Easy when you recall that Brussels is a place name. < 1274846120 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brussels sprouts, broccolo, oil, salt, pepper, baked < 1274846121 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg < 1274846182 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to brustle -- to bro rustle, that is, to steal bros from a field as they graze on natty ice < 1274846227 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"broccolo"? < 1274846245 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is this strange language you speak, augur? < 1274846263 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :broccolo, you know, one head of broccoli < 1274846267 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to mean heads < 1274846270 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are broccoli! < 1274846289 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Broccoli glans < 1274846335 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(broccoli glans is the head of broccoli :P ) < 1274846369 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet it is < 1274846462 0 :sshc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1274846631 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1274846655 0 :augur!~augur@ool-4a5806a9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1274846663 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1274846728 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1274846745 0 :augur!~augur@ool-4a5806a9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1274847757 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-106-123-171.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1274847909 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1274848349 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-106-123-171.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1274848389 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1274848972 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-106-123-171.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1274849099 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1274850258 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1274851072 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very meta, xkcd < 1274851099 0 :sshc!~sshc@unaffiliated/sshc JOIN :#esoteric < 1274851168 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xkcdsucks is gonna have a field day < 1274851198 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought the comic itself was nice < 1274851209 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the alt text could have been better < 1274851214 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same. < 1274851448 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The xkcdsucks for 744 isn't up yet < 1274851513 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wikisuperosity.com/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges Somehow, I don't think I'm going to bother to get involved with this wiki < 1274851566 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't say O_o < 1274851924 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1274853028 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1274853892 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : very meta, xkcd <-- argh, parsing the alt text hurts < 1274853903 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, title="" < 1274853904 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not alt < 1274853907 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but meh < 1274854249 0 :coppro!~coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1274856987 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1274857454 0 :tombom!~tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1274858419 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1274860273 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1274860780 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1274860799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1274860800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1274861163 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1274862454 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1274863482 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1274863505 0 :augur!~augur@ool-4a5806a9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1274863570 0 :MizardX!~MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1274864115 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1274864377 0 :atrapado!~rodrigo@193.144.79.241 JOIN :#esoteric < 1274864456 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone know of an X server that just forwards to another X server, but can have the target server disconnected and another one reattached later? < 1274864902 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, eh, like screen for X? < 1274864910 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1274864910 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or how do you mean < 1274864917 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly like screen for X < 1274864917 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alas, no < 1274864933 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, have a running xserver + X11vnc or such? < 1274864942 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's too much work though < 1274864946 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you mean forward as in, reattach to desktop? < 1274864959 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which vnc won't provide < 1274864973 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it should run them in the local server < 1274864984 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I don't know one < 1274864987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go code one < 1274864994 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure a lot of people would find it usefuk < 1274864997 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :useful* < 1274865000 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the toughest bit would be handling reattachment I think < 1274865001 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I certainly would < 1274865022 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, well, you need to hide deattch/reattach from the programs < 1274865033 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the program never notices < 1274865035 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since X can't handle that sort of stuff < 1274865045 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, also opengl would be a pain < 1274865064 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1274865071 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I guess, yeah < 1274865083 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1274865087 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid X persistent resources < 1274865087 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example: nvidia drivers mmap stuffs iirc < 1274865089 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1274865091 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the tricky bit < 1274865095 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X mmaps stuff if local < 1274865101 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shared memory communication < 1274865108 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than socket < 1274865118 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes this quite hard < 1274865146 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The local server would have to maintain anything like resources that might get buggered by a server restarting < 1274865168 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortunately, an application already has to cope with being moved onto a new screen < 1274865185 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, hm? that is the same X server isn't it? < 1274865187 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1274865197 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that way you don't have to change as much < 1274865219 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but so things like random "you lose OpenGL" are already accounted for (in theory) < 1274865243 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't lose opengl due to moving between screens do you? < 1274865243 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1274865262 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they have different cards and one has no drivers, you might < 1274865267 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, as I said, I'm pretty sure X11 uses shm for local clients. And for opengl it would be very slow to use the socket method < 1274865299 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shm = shared memory? < 1274865311 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1274865324 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I'll need to spoof it into thinking it's nonlocal < 1274865335 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, and that is quite a speed difference < 1274865336 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if I do in fact do this) < 1274865358 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :opengl over non-shm is not feasible I suspect < 1274865375 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: This is mostly intended for network use anyways. OpenGL speed is not a concern < 1274865377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, of course you could use shm against the client but then socket to the server < 1274865386 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or shm to both < 1274865394 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it depends on how much you are willing to do < 1274865401 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd have to research the spec more. It's quite possible OpenGL isn't really feasible to implement < 1274865428 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, there are other stuff than opengl that could cause issues < 1274865429 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect < 1274865432 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I know < 1274865442 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything that X persists would have to be intercepted by the proxy < 1274865458 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would have to persist them itself, and establish new copies of them when it connected to a new server < 1274865459 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, what about xinerama? < 1274865475 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that matters? < 1274865488 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, you would have to forward such info to the client I suspect < 1274865495 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or things could go strange < 1274865515 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any info that the proxy doesn't need to handle is forwarded directly < 1274865531 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever tried a non-xinerama build of firefox on a dual head X server (using nvidia twinview, not multiple screens)? < 1274865537 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1274865540 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had menus appear on the wrong screen < 1274865550 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like file menu showed up on the other monitor from the application window < 1274865571 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1274865586 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, rebuilding with xinerama support fixed it < 1274865619 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the proxy would retrieve any screen/display/xinerama/whatever info upon connecting to a server, and inform the client about the changes. Anything beyond that is handled by the communication directly between the server and client < 1274865641 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, there are some extensions that could cause issues still < 1274865654 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, well, those could be handled on a case-by-case < 1274865661 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would you do if client used xrandr for example? < 1274865674 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forward directly to the server, do not pass go, do not collect $200 < 1274865681 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, "X RandR is used to configure which display ports are enabled (e.g. LCD, VGA and DVI), and to configure display modes and properties such as orientation, reflection and DPI." < 1274865687 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what it does < 1274865689 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1274865723 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see how it's an issue. The goal is to make the client act as if it's connected the target server, except that the target server might randomly change. < 1274865782 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it does, the proxy needs to handle any aspect of that change so that the client, other than possibly noticing a radical change in geometry, can proceed normally < 1274865782 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, yes and that is the issue. You would have to notify it about xrandr changes and such to reset the client's state when you change the "host" server < 1274865789 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I just explained that < 1274865805 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, and what with all the X11 extensions that could be quite a messy task < 1274865806 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all geometry info is retrieved when connecting to a new server; clients are informed of the changes < 1274865815 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after that, geometry communication is server-client < 1274865851 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a server is disconnected, nothing happens until a new one is connected, so it's like the application was just left idle normally < 1274865881 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tricky thing is handling any persistence info, like window IDs < 1274865886 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or resources or something < 1274865906 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the proxy needs to create a virtual set of them that the client sees < 1274865931 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and reestablish them upon connecting < 1274866003 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, what is the app grabs the mouse and hides the pointer < 1274866010 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will that be auto restored on reconnection? < 1274866018 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(say, a game or whatever) < 1274866033 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not at first, for sure < 1274866040 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, that could confuse the app < 1274866088 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I've seen it happen with badly-written applications before. The result is an immovable default cursor in the default position; the game's cursor works fine < 1274866094 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not horrible < 1274866101 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1274866123 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this occurred when using Debian's virtual terminals to switch away from X and back to it) < 1274866159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1274866163 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"debian's"? < 1274866177 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know that is a linux feature, not specific to debain < 1274866177 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if other distros have it; I know Debian does < 1274866178 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :debian* < 1274866181 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1274866185 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't sure on that one < 1274866187 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ctrl-Alt-F* < 1274866193 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could also imagine a situation where the default cursor is mobile, but the game is still tracking its own cursor. It would also be weird < 1274866202 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, they would have had to patch to kernel for it ;P < 1274866215 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I wouldn't put them past it. < 1274866228 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1274866258 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways, I think I'd just see what events X normally passes if it loses screen control like that and replicate them upon a reconnection < 1274866324 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then let badly-written applications eat cake. < 1274866345 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... what should this be called... Also, Erlang. < 1274866366 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, what? X11 protocol in erlang? < 1274866372 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shudders
< 1274866384 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erlang's the obvious candidate for this! < 1274866446 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, I would have said that C was < 1274866460 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for managing tons of connections simultaneously? no thanks < 1274866462 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since then you can use X11 header files for stuff < 1274866484 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, you mean multiple apps per "bouncer"? < 1274866492 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for name. xdtach? < 1274866495 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes, it would be a full server < 1274866510 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is dtach which is like screen but with most features except deattaching and reattaching removed < 1274866527 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, sounds about right < 1274866537 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, but I can't pronounce xdtach < 1274866551 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ecks-dee-tatch < 1274866573 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or XD-tach < 1274866593 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dtach.sourceforge.net/ <-- strangely enough this is not a project from the authors of dwm and slock (as far as I know). It would fit right into that category though < 1274866654 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally you could even run a DM through it, but that's another can of worms < 1274866662 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, can't do XD-tach. XD(TM)(R) memory cards(TM)(R) < 1274866664 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1274866667 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1274866680 0 :augur_!~augur@ool-4a5806a9.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1274866692 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, oh yeah... how do you handle dbus? < 1274866697 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1274866700 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, a lot of apps these days use dbus < 1274866703 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: SILENCE < 1274866715 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, a lot of those wouldn't work correctly then < 1274866731 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, anything like gtk or qt apps would be a pain < 1274866751 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, simple motif apps or such, no problem I bet < 1274866794 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1274866794 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd probably need a similar daemon that would do the same with dbus < 1274866817 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm how does dbus interact with ssh X11 forwarding? < 1274866822 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt ssh forwards dbus < 1274866851 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, so it might not be required < 1274866853 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows < 1274866871 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you could just run it locally and hope that keeping it disconnected from the target machine wouldn't explode things < 1274866881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1274866884 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, no, you musn't actually need it < 1274866895 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh? < 1274866899 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least run it connected < 1274866916 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think of a non-ssh network X connection < 1274866922 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could be connecting to /anything/ < 1274866930 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :including a Windows machine < 1274866943 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1274866946 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah probably < 1274866960 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, still what about interacting with window manager < 1274866985 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, I suspect it might be problematic if you switch from a host with, say, metacity to one with kwin < 1274866995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even worse, from a "normal" one to a tiling WM < 1274867004 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, tiling WMs open up a new can of worms < 1274867007 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Not much different than replacing a running WM < 1274867062 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, that can cause buggy behaviour in my experience < 1274867076 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, it would be slightly easier < 1274867085 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, also, I can't imagine how replacing a non-tiling one with a tiling vm would work well < 1274867091 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since a reconnection would involve the proxy opening up a new set of windows < 1274867128 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, in a tiling wm it might be problematic to allocate the correct window sizes < 1274867140 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the wm's problem < 1274867166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure the X standard suggests it is the problem of the client to fit into the space given by the wm :P < 1274867180 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, yes < 1274867196 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the client's problem to do that < 1274867210 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you said " that's the wm's problem" < 1274867223 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you said "allocate the correct window sizes" which is the wm's problem < 1274867230 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the client's problem to fit in them < 1274867237 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, it might give you a smaller size back < 1274867241 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :than what you requested < 1274867241 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1274867248 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :happens all the time < 1274867268 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the proxy could help by forcibly resizing the window down < 1274867275 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes sure < 1274867282 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after that, it's the client's call < 1274867283 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that is more logic < 1274867292 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the window stuff will be the toughest < 1274867299 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't use a tiling WM, which is also important < 1274867332 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus, if this is as ridiculously useful as it seems like it would be, it will become and instant it, I will receive song and praise and volunteer developers < 1274867338 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*an instant hit < 1274867361 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1274867377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, you think there are enough people interested who know erlang < 1274867385 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'll learn! < 1274867389 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'll all learn! < 1274867392 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mwahahaha! < 1274867397 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, also using erlang more or less makes opengl impossible < 1274867404 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1274867421 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need very high performance for it probably. < 1274867421 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the protocol? < 1274867426 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus < 1274867436 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc you need to use shm to get reasonable speed < 1274867455 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure you think about network but most people would probably like to use it locally < 1274867488 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HIPE if necessary. Shm is a serious cluster if you detach from a local server and move to a remote one. < 1274867511 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HIPE doesn't help that much < 1274867543 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, also the thing could use shm against the clients, and non-shm "upstream" < 1274867550 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and X11 protocol is a mess < 1274867563 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I realize both of those things. < 1274867579 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus I'm not sure how stable it is. As in, clients being supposed to use the stable APIs of libx11 (or more recently, libxcb iirc) < 1274867597 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how well defined is the actual protocol < 1274867598 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue < 1274867640 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X is pretty well-defined < 1274867648 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've read the spec before < 1274867684 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's got to be stable or else servers which implement the protocol directly would break < 1274867721 0 :yiyus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see why tiling wms would be a problem, if a client request a fixed size is usually handled as "floating", else it will only see a resize request < 1274867783 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1274867840 0 :yiyus!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least that is how dwm and wmii work, and afaik most of tiling wms are based on them < 1274867904 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The X core protocol hasn't changed in 5 years, and then probably not by much < 1274868503 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1274868513 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will still be a very complex task < 1274868516 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1274868899 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1274868910 0 :Halph!~coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1274868922 0 :Halph!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :coppro < 1274870184 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1274871002 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION stumbled over this code http://okmij.org/ftp/Prolog/QueensProblem.prl
< 1274871024 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while not that much esoteric, would anyone explain to me how permute works? < 1274871040 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is trying to translate that into a more esoteric language
< 1274871291 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1274872322 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1274873813 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so dbus crashed, then gnome-settings-daemon < 1274873822 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now everything looks strange even after restarting those < 1274873828 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to restart X < 1274873837 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and: [251808.083600] gnome-settings-[1841]: segfault at 8 ip 00007fab28a5ad12 sp 00007fff642dfcb0 error 4 in libclipboard.so[7fab28a58000+5000] < 1274873851 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how? well I just closed kate.... < 1274873858 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what kate has to do with gnome at all < 1274873877 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also second time it happened, last time the computer was idle when it happened < 1274873894 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is not easy to reproduce on demand < 1274874007 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah back < 1274874146 0 :gm|lap!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1274874154 0 :gm|lap!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a something < 1274874180 0 :gm|lap!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :next time you see cpressey, can you tell him that it's possible to get >5 keys in bubble escape 2K, and that, if you do that, you can't win? < 1274874189 0 :gm|lap!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you will? thanks.\ < 1274874235 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gm|lap, haven't seen cpressy for a long time < 1274874244 0 :gm|lap!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww :/ < 1274874262 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gm|lap, and what on earth is bubble escape 2K? < 1274874273 0 :gm|lap!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: a game he wrote for the C64 < 1274874277 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1274874286 0 :gm|lap!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, i don't have a C64 so i just use VICE < 1274874405 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to imagine a language for which qwerty is actually an efficient layout
< 1274874478 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, I don't know enough about how to make efficient layouts to figure that out < 1274874479 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Topline? < 1274874487 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ? < 1274874494 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Topline IIRC < 1274874509 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waits for browser to load
< 1274874528 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even so, though, you'd probably need 6 fingers on each hand < 1274874531 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I meant natural language < 1274874543 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it doesn't really care about the letter keys, just the punctuation marks < 1274874559 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: then you probably asked in the wrong channel < 1274874576 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1274874583 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was just general musing < 1274874596 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1274874696 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1274874717 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[11:50] hmm, a problem I'm working on at University is basically an esolang issue < 1274874718 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[11:50] [CTCP] Sending CTCP-PING request to ais523. < 1274874720 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[11:50] OTOH, I'd probably get in trouble if I asked here for the answer < 1274874721 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[11:50] so I'll try to solve it first and then tell everyone what it is < 1274875000 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, I'm bored and slightly mad, I'm going to update Ubuntu to a new distro version unless someone stops me to tell me it's a really bad idea < 1274875027 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see if it fixes that intermittent problem with sound that I could never reliably reproduce < 1274875402 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's EVIL, remember? < 1274875425 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you install it Satan will jump through your monitor and eat your soul! < 1274875432 0 :gm|lap!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fredfredfredfredfesdfresdresdfredfredfredfredfredred < 1274875438 0 :gm|lap!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm going to bed, gnight < 1274875451 0 :gm|lap!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ilua < 1274875688 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, too late < 1274875692 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this computer's a laptop, though < 1274875696 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so technically doesn't have a monitor < 1274875710 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I don't believe you < 1274875865 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It happened to me! < 1274875886 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if your soul has been eaten, why are you still talking here? < 1274875982 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would I need a soul to discuss esolangs? < 1274876051 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How absurd. < 1274876566 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What on earth is a Kolmogorov machine. < 1274876599 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it does anything less than teleportation I will be sorely disappointed. < 1274876849 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah, it's a type of computing machine thing. < 1274876863 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does teleportation fall under Turing-completeness? < 1274877079 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Echo... < 1274877083 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo... < 1274877257 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1274877314 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnop < 1274877457 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :¸ < 1274877481 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can someone else zoom in on that and tell me if it looks like a glider? < 1274877724 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah, Raymond has commandeered it for himself. < 1274877731 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shall have to use the other phase. < 1274878465 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is a and ¬b universal? < 1274878582 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only three pixels with a bit of antialiasing, hard to tell /what/ it looks like < 1274879321 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : [11:50] so I'll try to solve it first and then tell everyone what it is <-- figured it out yet? < 1274879329 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1274879335 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the middle of a distro upgrade atm < 1274879462 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which esolang? or is it general computation theory stuff or such? < 1274879532 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ¸ <-- isn't it a . ? < 1274879534 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm no < 1274879539 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but wth is it < 1274879555 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea. < 1274879557 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Bah, Raymond has commandeered it for himself. <-- ? < 1274879569 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The image of the glider. < 1274879580 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In one of its phases. < 1274879586 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the other can be mine! < 1274879588 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, eh, that is in unicode? < 1274879595 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so. < 1274879606 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it looks like two pixels with antialias here < 1274879620 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just look up the unicode codepoint from that char < 1274879820 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It obviously isn't meant to be a glider. < 1274879829 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just looks like one in my font. < 1274880248 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: if you want a bit of fun, https://review.source.android.com/#patch,sidebyside,14699,1,libc/memset.c < 1274880254 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the sort of diff I thought you would like < 1274880257 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it requires JS to read < 1274880271 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort-of worrying that that wasn't caught earlier... < 1274880340 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, XD < 1274880357 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, says a lot about how memset's used in practice < 1274880375 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, android has it's own libc? < 1274880382 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems so < 1274880387 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has its own pretty much everything < 1274880390 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except kernel < 1274880399 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's Linux, but it isn't any of the things that are commonly bundled with Linux < 1274880401 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also strange it doesn't use something more efficient, considering embedded system and so on < 1274880410 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not /that/ embedded < 1274880430 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Why are they even doing that as a loop? They should just be calling memset(). < 1274880452 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :way to miss the point < 1274880455 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, XD < 1274880463 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, joke or serious? < 1274880470 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not clear from context < 1274880476 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I'm guessing serious < 1274880582 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sort of like the source-code to libgcc < 1274880592 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which defines the implementations of, say, multiplication < 1274880595 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on systems that don't do it natively < 1274880615 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it must be a real pain to try to write an efficient multiplication routine in C without accidentally defining it in terms of itself < 1274881318 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They broke memset? < 1274881365 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1274881578 0 :Tritonio_GR!~Tritonio@ix.ceid.upatras.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1274881821 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, fixed it, but it was broken for ages < 1274881825 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :set to 0 rather than to the argument < 1274881834 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1274881836 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, apparently IE4 could be scripted using Haskell < 1274881838 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my mind is blown < 1274881970 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Internet Explorer? < 1274881982 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The insanity of it fits. < 1274882034 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, Internet Explorer < 1274882043 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun thing: When I typed "internet explorer has" into Google for that, the suggestions was "internet explorer has stopped working". < 1274882050 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IE[0-9]+ seems to be an abbreviation reserved for Internet Explorer nowadays < 1274882051 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: haha < 1274882055 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try the same thing with Bing < 1274882079 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1274882084 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the ironing! < 1274882106 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does Bing say? the same? < 1274882115 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : OK, so can a von Neumann CA be represented as a non-planar graph? < 1274882116 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bing was infamous for its autocompletions on "linux" < 1274882122 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which included "linux microsoft" and "linux windows" < 1274882136 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the neighborhood graph for von Neumann CAs is planar < 1274882142 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They seem to have wisened up. < 1274882148 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Why? < 1274882175 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see why it would be for Moore, but not VN. < 1274882179 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :take a cell, draw a line to all four neighboring cells < 1274882207 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1274882226 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing that for all cells gives no crossing lines < 1274882227 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Try putting "Windows has" into Bin for a laugh. < 1274882233 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Bin/Bing/ < 1274882254 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd need to remove several layers of browser lockdown to use Bing correctly < 1274882277 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What sort of lockdown? < 1274882309 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: in that case, i suspect you've switched the definition of moore and von neumann neighborhoods < 1274882334 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I've confused "planar". < 1274882343 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1274882359 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, planar means no crossed lines, essentially < 1274882369 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: in Bing's case, mostly against non-static content < 1274882375 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't get suggestions, just a textbox < 1274882384 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, I'm not even convinced I get the background image, I haven't used it in a while < 1274882387 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION checks
< 1274882403 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, it's just really busy and grey < 1274882429 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I get no suggestions < 1274882432 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION searches for INTERCAL
< 1274882438 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is my standard query for testing search engines < 1274882485 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, results better than they used to be, about as good as Google's and worse than Wikia's used to be < 1274882553 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikia have a search engine? < 1274882573 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought they just hosted innumerable pop-culture wikis. < 1274882674 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they used to < 1274882677 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then gave up < 1274882679 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to lack of funding < 1274882686 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was pretty good while it was there, though < 1274882714 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the sense of "provided good results that were different from Google's" < 1274882736 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1274882738 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe slightly worse than Google's on average, but being different was good as it let you find different pages < 1274882809 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : it must be a real pain to try to write an efficient multiplication routine in C without accidentally defining it in terms of itself <-- that is why it iirc uses a lot of inline asm versions for various arches < 1274882819 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, whenever it can < 1274882826 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, it isn't even inline asm < 1274882833 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it goes in the .md file, in sections reserved for writing asm < 1274882835 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, a lot of it is iirc. < 1274882838 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1274882843 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay that is just silly < 1274882846 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's asm, but not "inline" < 1274882848 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1274882854 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the .md file's /meant/ to contain the asm < 1274882864 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because otherwise, htf could it know what asm instructions to output? < 1274882870 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, but isn't that for defining codegen? < 1274882876 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than for writing libgcc < 1274882885 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, good point < 1274882895 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be inline asm in libgcc if you wanted it to be an actual function < 1274882898 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idea for an esolang: you specify a fitness metric, then the interpreter/compiler evolves a neural network according to it. < 1274882904 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for things like multiplication, if it's short enough you probably want to inline it < 1274882909 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then runs it. < 1274882917 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes and then libgcc isn't involved at all afaik < 1274882920 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1274882923 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would it be? < 1274882941 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well I thought libgcc was the context: " it's sort of like the source-code to libgcc" < 1274882943 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing either of us said in the conversation leading from that conversation implied libgcc was involved < 1274882950 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that was the context of a /different/ conversation < 1274882956 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well I was log reading < 1274882959 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and replying to that < 1274882963 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just quoting a line from an old conversation doesn't necessarily drag in all its context < 1274882965 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as you could see from me quoting part of it < 1274882967 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it's been done, though, < 1274882981 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: evfunge, but the internet's short on details concerning it < 1274882993 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be pretty interesting to find a copy of the code involved, or its output < 1274883131 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why would you use bing anyway? < 1274883139 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are *2* entries for it on Google. < 1274883151 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'm not sure < 1274883164 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :amusement value, possibly < 1274883169 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1274883172 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or because you like pretty backgrounds < 1274883178 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder when they will rename it next < 1274883180 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or because it's your default search engine and you don't know how to change < 1274883191 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :win7 actually has a bing search widget on the start toolbar < 1274883195 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, taskbar < 1274883215 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not by default, but I've seen installs that do < 1274883229 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : or because it's your default search engine and you don't know how to change <-- hm but doesn't IE ask about that during first run? < 1274883239 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"want to get more search engines" or such < 1274883248 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly, but people are trained to click Cancel < 1274883252 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or OK < 1274883255 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or really, any button at random < 1274883261 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sad < 1274883274 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one of the things that makes Windows tech support so hard < 1274883278 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most people just use what is default. < 1274883284 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people dismiss dialog boxes out of habit, rather than reading them < 1274883290 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1274883295 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People used Live Search over Google in my old school. < 1274883310 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's why Firefox greys out the "OK" button for three seconds on the "do you want to run/install this" confirmation screens < 1274883324 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect as much < 1274883328 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I doubt it is enough < 1274883346 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on Linux, it's pretty rare that a dialog box comes up that isn't a) important, or b) asking for information needed to do what the user just asked it to do < 1274883348 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I *hate* it when people type "google.com" into their address bar. < 1274883351 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a blessing, really < 1274883363 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU HAVE A SEARCH BAR IN YOUR BROWSER. < 1274883363 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, now, firefox's "sure you want to continue with invalid ssl cert" is certainly hard to just get through by random clicks < 1274883370 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, agreed < 1274883382 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love the way it has two buttons which are both "cancel", and the get-past isn't a button at all < 1274883383 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, do they? Depends on browser < 1274883386 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks in w3m
< 1274883390 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nop, no search bar ;P < 1274883396 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IE, Safari and Firefox and Google have. < 1274883401 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Google/Chrome/ < 1274883403 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: w3m doesn't have an address bar either, though < 1274883403 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, two? huh < 1274883409 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well true < 1274883409 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can type U for a prompt for address < 1274883411 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that isn't quite the same < 1274883413 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1274883416 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, but iirc w3m-mode does < 1274883418 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION checks
< 1274883441 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I think there's one button that takes you to homepage, and another that explains why the site was blocked < 1274883448 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder what the best way to check is < 1274883454 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a "test malicious page" for Firefox? < 1274883475 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks for one
< 1274883490 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I know some urls at my university with broken and/or self signed ssl certs < 1274883490 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort-of like that test file which is not malicious, but is flagged as a virus by all antivirus software < 1274883494 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but since you filter urls anwyay < 1274883496 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug* < 1274883496 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to existing as a test for antivirus software < 1274883504 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, I'll try to find one myself < 1274883510 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :self-signed certs can be easy enough to find < 1274883523 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, I even have some self-signed files on my local computer < 1274883531 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, plus I don't know if they fixed it. They seem to break it in different ways every now and then < 1274883549 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange, mozilla.com's taking ages to load < 1274883552 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and randomly fixing it for a short period < 1274883582 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It's fine for me. < 1274883595 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit slow for me < 1274883606 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's doing something, it's redirected once already < 1274883609 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's taken over a minute < 1274883610 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but considering the length of the traceroute... I'm not surpirsed < 1274883615 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21 hops < 1274883617 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, you're in Sweden, I'm in the UK, ais? < 1274883621 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also in the UK < 1274883642 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :took about 20 seconds to load here < 1274883643 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but unless mozilla.com was on a massively slow nextwork, you can easily do 21 hops in a minute < 1274883666 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also slow in what sense < 1274883671 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :latency? < 1274883676 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bw? < 1274883683 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if it's latency or throughput < 1274883689 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the headers seem to have arrived, though < 1274883693 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm guessing it's throughput < 1274883703 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, the