< 1275005339 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's... My God, my Internet is working NORMALLY < 1275005645 0 :Portponky!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: chicken is nature's potato < 1275007936 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NORMALLY < 1275009096 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1275009461 0 :Zuu!zuu@0x55529f1b.adsl.cybercity.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1275009461 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1275009462 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1275012550 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMGREUBENSODELICIOUS < 1275013612 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275014554 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1275014724 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1275014858 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1275015136 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : It's... My God, my Internet is working NORMALLY <-- i guess it must be the end times then < 1275015484 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, stopped working right again. < 1275015533 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1275016931 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1275017620 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: have you ever tried eating your arm? it's quite tasty. < 1275017646 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My arm in particular? < 1275017669 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :human arms in general < 1275017685 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are few cannibals on IRC. < 1275017703 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: [citation needed] < 1275017727 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just submitted a troll post to Reddit < 1275017754 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess it depends how you define "troll" < 1275017771 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :big, brutish, should avoid sunlight? < 1275017798 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/iamaf/comments/c8w9v/iamna_person_trolling_riamaf_with_this_post/ < 1275017822 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh a comment < 1275017833 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1275017838 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a comment, it's a submission < 1275017861 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hm < 1275017917 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: from what I can see, anything goes on IAMAF < 1275017946 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's fully true that I'm not trolling, then? Hm < 1275017954 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should have said that I am trolling < 1275017980 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I think that's said in IAmNA, which does imply that it's a fictional persona? < 1275017983 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1275018010 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: just so long as you follow the unencyclopedia guideline of "try to be funny and not just stupid" < 1275018039 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I can add anything that would be funny and not just stupid < 1275018043 0 :coppro!~coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1275018125 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, just consider "IAm(N)An invisible pink unicorn." < 1275018656 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translate Alexander Pánek ist dezent nasal inkontinent. < 1275018674 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1275018695 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What HackEgo means to say, of course, is "Alexander Pánek is decent nasal incontinent." < 1275018705 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that right? < 1275018709 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translate Derecho. < 1275018711 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1275018714 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1275018744 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which cat < 1275018746 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/bin/cat < 1275018752 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cp /bin/cat bin/translate < 1275018758 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1275018762 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translate Alexander Pánek ist dezent nasal inkontinent. < 1275018763 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1275018782 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cp /bin/cat bin/translate < 1275018784 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1275018786 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translate Alexander Pánek ist dezent nasal inkontinent. < 1275018787 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1275018794 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls -l bin/translate < 1275018800 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-rwxr-xr-x 1 5000 0 56296 May 28 02:52 bin/translate < 1275018810 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls -l /bin/cat < 1275018812 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-rwxr-xr-x 1 0 0 56296 Jun 5 2009 /bin/cat < 1275018838 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :¡Ay. < 1275018840 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, translate is broken. < 1275018841 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FIX IT < 1275018843 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm bin/translate < 1275018845 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1275018852 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cp /bin/echo bin/translate < 1275018854 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: cat doesn't take it's file as a command line argument < 1275018854 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1275018861 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translate Alexander Pánek ist dezent nasal inkontinent. < 1275018862 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alexander Pánek ist dezent nasal inkontinent. < 1275018863 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, well, you know what i mean < 1275018866 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There, fixed! < 1275018883 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translate I can now translate anything at a rapid rate of speed. < 1275018884 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can now translate anything at a rapid rate of speed. < 1275018946 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can quickly translate anything at a rapid rate of fast speed. < 1275019066 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is intrigued by some of Google Translate's translations. < 1275019080 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to Grand Valley State University. -> Bienvenido a la Universidad Estatal de Grand Valley. < 1275019095 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to Grand Rapids State University. -> Bienvenidos a Grand Rapids State University. < 1275019113 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to Grand Attitude State University. -> Bienvenido a la Universidad Estatal de Grand Actitud. < 1275019119 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :la grande rapido universidad estatal < 1275019131 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*rapida < 1275019140 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to Large Attitude State University. -> Bienvenido a la Universidad del Estado de gran actitud. < 1275019156 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...right < 1275019169 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to Large Rock State University. -> Bienvenido a la Universidad Gran Estado Rock. < 1275019173 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It never ends! < 1275019242 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Argh, noise < 1275019250 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bienvenido a la Universidad Estatal del Valle Grande. Bienvenido a Gran Rapids State University. Bienvenido a la Universidad Estatal de Grand Rock. < 1275019269 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bienvenido a la Universidad de Green State Reaper. < 1275019412 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bienvenido a la Universidad Gran Rostro Estado. Bienvenido a la Universidad Estatal de Grand cara. Bienvenido a la cara de la Universidad del Estado. < 1275019427 0 :myndzi\!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translate Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo. < 1275019428 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo. < 1275019428 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why it said "Bienvenidos" precisely once. < 1275019430 0 :myndzi\!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :myndzi < 1275019454 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: Buffalo Buffalo búfalo búfalo búfalo búfalo búfalo búfalo búfalo búfalo búfalo. < 1275019472 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. < 1275019482 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's missing two more proper nouns < 1275019632 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, impressive. < 1275019639 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spanish sentence: La rata que el gato que el perro mordió persiguió escapó. < 1275019649 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its Google translation: The rat the cat the dog bit chased escaped. < 1275019674 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The impression ends there, however. < 1275019680 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back to Spanish: La rata, el gato al perro mordió perseguido escapado. < 1275019698 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back to English: The rat the cat the dog bit chased escaped. < 1275019702 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is kind of impressive, actually. < 1275019766 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That Spanish sentence actually means "The rat, the cat bit the dog that had (been) chased and escaped." < 1275019822 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And is a strange way of saying it. < 1275020476 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it comes back to English unscathed. < 1275021817 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275023201 0 :gm|lap!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1275027148 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1275030189 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1275030336 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1275030831 0 :relet!~hirtho@159.162.68.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1275033215 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1275033599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1275033600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1275034253 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1275034892 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@75-151-73-57-Spokane.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275035938 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1275037080 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1275038713 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : The only reason i havent compiled it for linux yet, is because of some pcre foop :) <-- hm? libpcre not installed or? < 1275038807 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1275039009 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should probably do something blasphemous, like sleep < 1275039032 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's half nine! In the morning! < 1275039467 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should make a song of the various semantics of assignment in different languages, to the theme of the llama song < 1275039505 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, I thought it would begin "C and C++ make copies", but I'm not sure that that's accurate for C++ < 1275039554 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C#'s really a strange bugger, sometimes copies, sometimes... < 1275039594 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-8-77.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275039617 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should say "the assignment operator", since it can sometimes be used for things that aren't actually assignment (Ruby, C#, Python, others?) < 1275039842 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1275040024 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-8-77.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275040359 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can overload the assignment operator in C++, can't you? < 1275040512 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.. know there's a copy constructor, don't know how that works with operator overloading < 1275040513 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then there are things like Haskell. < 1275040540 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell has an assignment operator. It's just more.. permanent < 1275040563 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more of a definition operator, really... < 1275040599 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably sleep < 1275040603 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's almost 5am < 1275040695 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes. < 1275040703 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your ungodly American time zones. < 1275040732 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I was your age we had one time zone, and we were happy with it! < 1275041178 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hm, I thought it would begin "C and C++ make copies", but I'm not sure that that's accurate for C++ < 1275041179 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh? < 1275041202 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, C has a fairly straight forward assignment < 1275041233 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it makes copies if you consider the variable itself. You copy the pointer and so on. < 1275041504 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1275041854 0 :Slereah!~jews@ANantes-259-1-124-28.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1275047709 0 :Tritonio_GR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1275048664 0 :atrapado!~rodrigo@193.144.79.241 JOIN :#esoteric < 1275049846 0 :endebrito!~kriu@84.77.255.176 JOIN :#esoteric < 1275050060 0 :gm|lap!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ilua < 1275051726 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Saliendo < 1275052868 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1275052943 0 :oklopol!~oklopol@a91-153-122-35.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1275052949 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :party! < 1275052990 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well?? < 1275053012 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1275053050 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright < 1275053346 0 :hiato!~nine@41-132-217-28.dsl.mweb.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1275053431 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Damn f* headache < 1275053662 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.2.3/20100401080539] < 1275054081 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1275054105 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all better now? < 1275054125 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1275054156 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ouch < 1275054192 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, btw nice backronym in iwc today < 1275054210 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it's not so much headache as my noise sensitivity being extra bad today < 1275054231 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yeah < 1275054254 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're more noise sensitive than the average human? < 1275054260 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, a little headache too < 1275054281 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think so < 1275054364 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never met anyone with as low a threshold for early pain as myself < 1275054676 0 :ineiros!~itniemin@dhcp66.ics.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1275054845 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : you're more noise sensitive than the average human? <-- I am. Due to better than average hearing (had this tested many years ago) < 1275054862 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially at the typical "background noise" frequencies < 1275054895 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION isn't sure DMM's explanation of why three satellites is needed is correct < 1275054911 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh? what would be wrong in it? < 1275054941 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you don't actually get the distance from the signal of a single satellite, i think, unless your receiver also has an atomic clock < 1275054958 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you only get the _difference_ between the distances to the satellites < 1275054962 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1275054968 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my hearing is average < 1275054979 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, and are all the GPS satellites geostationary? < 1275054986 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do they broadcast their own position? < 1275054988 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of them afaik < 1275054994 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they broadcast their position < 1275055011 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also our dog has an awesome hearing but she's not that sensitive to loud noises < 1275055018 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i don't think there's necessarily a connection < 1275055096 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, different species. Could have a lot higher inherent noise insensitivity < 1275055120 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, and there are other factors than just how well you hear when considering noise sensitivity < 1275055135 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I would maintain that (for humans at least) it is one of the factors < 1275055137 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay then; a friend of mine has a much better hearing than me, but is not at all sensitive to loud noises < 1275055163 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i expect a lot of my noise sensitivity is psychological, anyway < 1275055170 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, better hearing at which freqs? < 1275055195 0 :ineiros_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: AARGH < 1275055198 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like doesn't have to wear ear plugs in concerts whereas my ears start hurting if i use earphones for too long (good ones) < 1275055210 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes but if you are noise sensitive then hearing more noises than most people (due to better hearing) will only make it worse < 1275055217 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus there is a connection in some sense < 1275055239 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: not tested, i just know i have an average hearing, and he can tell species of motorcycles by their sound < 1275055240 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm _immensely_ annoyed by coughing and sniffling < 1275055253 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe i should say races < 1275055282 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, that depends on how loud. Some people are worse than others when it comes to coughing. < 1275055282 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm annoyed by nothing < 1275055313 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever < 1275055326 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: loudness is almost immaterial for me there < 1275055333 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1275055335 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well at least with humans, i get insanely annoyed with machines all the time tho < 1275055499 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err well actually i guess i have a better than average hearing < 1275055512 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't have a phenomenal hearing < 1275055549 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think one of my ears got the second best possible score when it was last checked < 1275055554 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the other one was perfect < 1275055562 0 :endebrito!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1275055604 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :score, as in i didn't hear the highest note < 1275055628 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, "Three satellites might seem enough to solve for position, since space has three dimensions and a position near the Earth's surface can be assumed. However, even a very small clock error multiplied by the very large speed of light[23].the speed at which satellite signals propagate.results in a large positional error. Therefore receivers use four or more satellites to solve for the receiver's location and time." < 1275055740 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't exactly believe in light, has anyone actually SEEN light, like ever? < 1275055779 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i was asked to give a seminar on esoteric programming languages < 1275055815 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and on cellular automata) < 1275055818 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275055826 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well maybe more like presentation w/e < 1275055840 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lecturation < 1275055989 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ejacula--i kid < 1275056009 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not entirely sure about the CA talk because i have yet to read my first paper about that stuff < 1275056028 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: want me to give the CA seminar instead < 1275056030 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i know the topology stuff from the theory of tiling < 1275056044 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you like this computability stuff right? < 1275056050 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1275056054 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1275056057 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you did < 1275056060 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :formal languages < 1275056062 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I kind of do < 1275056071 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it when it's practical. < 1275056077 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay < 1275056201 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like it when the problems are interesting, but i guess i prefer it if the results are useless < 1275056268 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At heart I'm someone who likes things to be implemented. < 1275056301 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the theory of computability can help me determine if something is implementable, great. < 1275056327 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1275056352 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO HAVE YOU GUYS SEEN THAT NEW HIP PAPER ABOUT FIXED POINT TILE SETS < 1275056561 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay wtf. filling out a form has a question for age, with ranges like "31-40", "41-50" and so on. However there is "younger than 20" and "21-31". No option for exactly 20... < 1275056608 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are 20-yo's supposed to be filling it? < 1275056620 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's it about < 1275056621 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: clearly it was written by people with a specific hate against 20 year old pedants < 1275056622 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, well yes. < 1275056639 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure there isn't a separate form for 20-yo's? < 1275056646 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: WTF someone made a mistake < 1275056648 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, it is from my university, they are doing some survey on how you travel there. Like "by bus" "by car", ... < 1275056650 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLYYYYYYYYY SHITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT < 1275056680 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quadrescence: your keyboard is hung up, hth < 1275056683 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, and I'm pretty sure it is aimed at 20 years old yes. Surely they know how old I am at the university. < 1275056708 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"less than 20" was probs supposed to be "20 or less < 1275056709 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1275056714 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster asking what hth means: shut up < 1275056728 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I didn't ask... < 1275056742 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I JUST WANTED TO SAVE YOU SOME WORK THERE < 1275056783 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :today there was this paper where they said it's in RE to check if a tile set has at least one tiling and all its tilings have exactly the periods (0, km) and (km, 0) for all k \in N < 1275056788 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was like wtf < 1275056816 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, I assume that tile has some very specific meaning here? < 1275056817 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh umm and their sums < 1275056825 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WANG tiles < 1275056829 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1275056833 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL WANG < 1275056838 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um well you can emulate turing machines using tiles, so RE results or not exactly unexpected < 1275056841 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you fill Z^2 with tiles, each tile has a color on each side < 1275056842 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*are < 1275056850 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the colors have to match < 1275056853 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but it's not in RE! < 1275056857 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's harder < 1275056866 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hm < 1275056875 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah even I know RE isn't TC < 1275056880 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider T1 \union T2 for some weird-ass set T2 and T1 which is m-periodic < 1275056892 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: was this for _any_ set of tiles or a specific class? < 1275056899 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any set of tiles < 1275056919 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay what are tiles in this context really? < 1275056930 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you fill Z^2 with tiles, each tile has a color on each side < 1275056932 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the colors have to match < 1275056947 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like top and bottom have to be the same if a tile is on top of another < 1275056957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1275056973 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait are these tiles squares? < 1275056977 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1275056990 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not jigsaw puzzles here :D < 1275056998 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, sounds like a game I remember playing ages ago, but there it wasn't Z² but a 6x6 gird < 1275057006 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you can translate jigsaw to wang < 1275057011 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1275057014 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry wang to jigsaw < 1275057019 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought so < 1275057027 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and reasonable jigsaw to wang < 1275057046 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other way would require the jigsaw pieces to have compatible sizes i guess... < 1275057056 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah indeed wang tiles does seem like those used in that game. Thought it was a bad joke at first. ;P < 1275057065 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some sense. i don't know much about the geometric aspect < 1275057070 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, define reasonable < 1275057083 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i can't, i don't know anything about the geometric aspect < 1275057086 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1275057094 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, also you forgot 3D jigsaws < 1275057101 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably you meant 2D ones only? < 1275057117 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i said Z^2, obviously you can do any Z^n < 1275057151 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, well but you couldn't translate a Z^3 jigsaw to Z^2 wang tiles right? < 1275057169 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw that gave me an idea for a game, jigsaw on a torus. < 1275057178 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(probably been done already) < 1275057180 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway all the problems are undecidable for wangs so you they are undecidable for more general sets too; the translation from wangs to jigsaws is trivial, you just add bumps < 1275057183 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and dents < 1275057263 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no you can't translate a R^3 jigsaw to Z^2 wang tiles, you can't even translate R^2-jig to Z^2-wang in general < 1275057285 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, indeed < 1275057300 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but weren't those two statements equivalent? Or is jig != jigsaw? < 1275057305 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wang tiles != wang? < 1275057321 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you said this was a paper so i presume the proof was non-obvious < 1275057322 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, the latter is a person, but in the context of that sentence I meant) < 1275057329 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wang = wang tile, jig = jigsaw tile, i meant any shape homeomorphic to a ball < 1275057336 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, ah < 1275057340 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1275057352 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the proof for RE was "obviously" < 1275057359 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, I misread that as innuendo. doh < 1275057379 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1275057423 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what they were actually proving was E and O are in RE and inseparable, where E and O are tile sets that are m-periodic with even and odd m respectively < 1275057441 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's true they are inseparable (the nontrivial part), but the RE claim is not true < 1275057468 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*E and O are the families of tile sets ... < 1275057473 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, so make an article disproving it? < 1275057490 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/make/write/ < 1275057503 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was like lemma 56 with "this claim is not actually interesting by itself, but illustrates the technique well" above it < 1275057509 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1275057542 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um so the paper was wrong? < 1275057543 0 :Tritonio_GR!~Tritonio@150.140.227.55 JOIN :#esoteric < 1275057569 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong about RE, right about the nontrivial part of inseparability < 1275057636 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1275057666 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just wanted to insert my version of wtf someone made a mistake < 1275057703 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also they probably meant to say that an m-periodic tile set is one that allows at least one tiling with period m in both directions, this is obviously in R < 1275057705 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*RE < 1275057709 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you were not initially very clear about this being why you said wtf ;) < 1275057780 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i know < 1275057796 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i prefer unclear conversations < 1275057873 0 :relet!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1275057889 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : um well you can emulate turing machines using tiles, so RE results or not exactly unexpected <<< do you just know from wp or something or have you read stuff about this < 1275057902 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess that's folklore < 1275057906 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"or something", i guess < 1275057924 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know affine maps can emulate turing machines in R^2 and up? < 1275057934 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, no < 1275057977 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot quite connect the concept of affine maps to emulating anything, there... < 1275057995 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically you have (r_1, q + r_2) as state, you can move on the tape by multiplication by constant, and change state and tape values by adding constantes < 1275057997 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*constants < 1275058019 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: gonna install official ati drivers < 1275058100 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um you mean using an affine map as the machine state? < 1275058117 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also turns out you can emulate affine maps with tilings (my supervisors idea), which i'm trying to use to add new fun properties to aperiodic sets < 1275058125 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no machine state is two reals < 1275058127 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a point < 1275058134 0 :MizardX!~MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1275058138 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1275058154 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then depending on the square you're in, which depends on q and the first digits of r_i's (tops of stacks) < 1275058159 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you move on the tape and shit < 1275058168 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is an old idea < 1275058172 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you move on the tape and shit" ~quote of the day < 1275058202 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well. but conditioning on the square you're in is not an affine operation afaik < 1275058237 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sorry i guess the term is partial affine maps or something < 1275058245 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote you move on the tape and shit < 1275058255 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :166| you move on the tape and shit < 1275058278 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you split the domain in some sort of areas and there's an affine map for each domain < 1275058283 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for each area < 1275058284 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1275058309 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a frequent thingie to do in dynamic systems stuffology < 1275058331 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1275058331 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i've mingled with people who did that sort of thing :D < 1275058351 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you mean DYNAMICAL systems < 1275058351 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(tilings and translation stuff) < 1275058354 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that word is always weird to me < 1275058356 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dynamical < 1275058369 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in 1d most problems become decidable, if the affine map is continuous, but if it's not then no one knows anything < 1275058405 0 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1275058412 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dynamical okay < 1275058425 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i first heard the term like two weeks ago < 1275058437 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sort of a newbie < 1275058458 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nb < 1275058525 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i find that unlikely, given that it's in the title of at least some of my articles i believe < 1275058535 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1275058546 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant decidability stuff < 1275058554 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you know about that, it would be VERY useful < 1275058601 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think we did much of that no < 1275058609 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopolology < 1275058706 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay i guess it's not that important anymore, my current problems are related to immortality of turing machines, so if you know good anything about that stuff, would be useful < 1275058785 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically i need to enforce certain properties for tm output no matter what tape it's started on, and usually it's complicated to prove this stuff because a tm like that can't do any sort of unbounded search < 1275058810 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the initial random tape can have infinitely many non-blanks < 1275058907 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean a tm whose output has some property given any initial tape can't have any sort of repetitive behavior because you can cheat it into some sort of infloop < 1275058950 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i retract that, all the articles i thought of just seem to just say "minimal systems" in the title < 1275058960 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are minimal systems < 1275058982 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dynamical systems that are minimal, of course *cough* < 1275058984 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :affine systems with no closed subsystems? < 1275058989 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay dynamical < 1275059012 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every orbit is a dense subset, is one of the equivalent formulations < 1275059056 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay that's actually exactly the kind of stuff i would've needed last week < 1275059057 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1275059085 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :another is that there are no closed or open subsets preserved by the dynamics, other than the empty set and the whole space < 1275059106 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :preserved as in maps to inside it? < 1275059107 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :self < 1275059111 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1275059136 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay lol < 1275059161 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least those are equivalent in the context we studied (single transformation on a compact hausdorff space) < 1275059193 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mostly cantor sets) < 1275059235 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's sort of obvious because the closure of an orbit is a preserved set) < 1275059254 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would've needed some sort of ways to show a system of affine maps does not have a period < 1275059256 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*invariant set, may be the terminology < 1275059342 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the usual cantor sets? < 1275059358 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and well minimal systems don't have periods, true, but minimal is a pretty strong condition < 1275059371 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: or homeomorphic to it < 1275059389 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it, because they are all homeomorphic to each other < 1275059394 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1275059399 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm so proud i knew that < 1275059528 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: hm that repetitive behavior of a tm, it occurs to me you can control things somewhat by making sure the stuff you've already seen is in a known format < 1275059559 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's to the left of the tape head isn't a problem < 1275059655 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although if you then move left, you need to be sure the boundary to the unknown region is clearly marked so it doesn't trick you when you move back... < 1275059665 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :things like that < 1275059698 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh umm bi-infinite tape < 1275059719 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. well you need to make sure the beginning is clearly marked too, then < 1275059734 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you at some point need to go back to the marker < 1275059740 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh umm < 1275059743 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i failed to mention is < 1275059749 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the turing machine can also start in any state :) < 1275059754 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1275059758 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you at some point have to go to a marker... < 1275059767 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if there isn't one < 1275059799 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed now it looks hard < 1275059815 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to assume anything can happen because we're encoding all this in a real number and the affine system has to have convex and compact domains < 1275059857 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for minsky machines it's trivial to show mortality is undecidable, the "stacks" have a finite number, so you just have some counter N, simulate N steps, reboot and simulate 2N and so on < 1275059865 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can someone sum up what you have been talking about over the last ~2 hours? < 1275059881 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shitting on tapes < 1275059886 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly < 1275059910 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was discussion over GPS and IWC. < 1275059932 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Incidentally, I found the thing about ICBMs rather funny) < 1275059960 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's rather obvious once you think of it < 1275059994 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ICBMs? < 1275060002 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it didn't say IC < 1275060025 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's obvious < 1275060045 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that you don't want terrorists to be able to use GPS for missiles < 1275060058 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using commercially available parts < 1275060068 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't they make their own GPS receivers? < 1275060088 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or do the satellites not send enough data to calculate? < 1275060093 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no they can make missiles but gps is too hard < 1275060115 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it probably actually is a lot harder, i haven't tried making either < 1275060120 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the technology secret, or just nigh-impossible to build at home? < 1275060149 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also who cares about GPS and IWC when there's tiles involved < 1275060160 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, tiles < 1275060162 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiles! < 1275060180 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a professional jigsaw puzzle composer < 1275060180 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wang tiles, am I right? < 1275060183 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1275060202 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i don't think it's secret but it will be harder for the terrorists if they need to get their own expertise and maybe even factories... < 1275060204 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, I think jigsaws and Wang tiles are equivalent. < 1275060224 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although they can probably just buy from North Korea :( < 1275060233 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a piece of discussion about that < 1275060251 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but wang tiles can be compiled into jigsaws by adding bumps and dents < 1275060280 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1275060286 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I was thinking of. < 1275060338 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first thing you do one a tilings course < 1275060341 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*on a < 1275060347 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other way around apparently has subtleties < 1275060348 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe not < 1275060402 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, jigsaw to Wang tiles is complicated... < 1275060438 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so Phantom_Hoover do you know all about aperiodic tile sets < 1275060452 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i'm really misquoting oklopol there) < 1275060461 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No! < 1275060476 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sort-of know what Wang tiles are! < 1275060480 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and aperiodic tile set is one that allows tilings, but no periodic ones < 1275060490 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know what they are. < 1275060498 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aperiodic is pretty essential for those tile sets that turn into minimal dynamical systems, iirc < 1275060498 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Penrose tiles being another example. < 1275060528 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah penrose tiles are one of the geometric constructions < 1275060581 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i _think_ the space of penrose tiles under translation was a minimal system < 1275060589 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1275060600 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are 3 known ways to make aperiodic tiles, one is the geometric ones that have some sort of recursive structure (although the details can vary lots), then there's the all-new fixed point tile sets that can do almost anything, and then there's the one based on beatty sequences made by my supervisor (smallest known) < 1275060608 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they probably need to be at least somewhat compatibly oriented < 1275060625 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you've done tiling minimality stuff? < 1275060636 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've heard of it < 1275060649 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh, it's been like two weeks and i still don't know anything :< < 1275060654 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i said above, i've mingled with that kind of people < 1275060664 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should go read stuff prolly < 1275060673 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1275060731 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soon i'll go < 1275060739 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soon < 1275060742 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate irc < 1275060751 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for those 3 ways, does it include cutting planes of higher dimensional tilings? < 1275060769 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i recall penrose tilings could be got by cutting something five-dimensional < 1275060774 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know of proofs that were originally based on those < 1275060779 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that < 1275060786 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah i suppose that's different < 1275060807 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: You aren't a mathematician too, are you? < 1275060814 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think penroses were just later noted to be cuts like that, or something < 1275060821 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm or maybe it was just 3, but with a suitable angle < 1275060841 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: if i'm something, then i'm a mathematician; but i don't think i'm anything yet < 1275060860 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it may not have been penrose's original construction. then i don't really recall. < 1275060876 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*but then < 1275060887 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so i guess the third category is "geometrical stuff" < 1275060909 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ones where you actually think about them as tiles and not just local constraints on C^(Z^2) < 1275060931 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1275060953 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C^(Z^2)? < 1275060955 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1275060964 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the geometric ones aren't nearly as flexible as the fixed point thing (where you can basically make a tm compute anything on the tape), and hopefully the thing i'm doing now < 1275060985 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: elements of that are integer lattices filled with elements of C < 1275060987 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: oklopol has switched from computer science to mathematics since he came here < 1275061013 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lattice...? < 1275061020 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if he's responsible for that < 1275061024 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the cartesian product Z * Z < 1275061107 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C is just an arbitrary set here, i presume < 1275061110 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the set of pairs with both elements of Z < 1275061114 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, i hit a random key < 1275061116 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1275061136 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i would suppose the complex numbers _would_ be big enough for all your needs < 1275061142 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU ARE CONFUSING. < 1275061176 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could have picked T, or, W, or something without a well-known prior definition, but noooo. < 1275061187 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A^B is the set of functions f : B -> A, A^2 is the cartesian product of A with itself < 1275061194 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so C^(Z^2) < 1275061202 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you were confused about complexes right < 1275061239 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lattice_(group) < 1275061239 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case, what oerjan said, you can interpret it as complex numbers < 1275061258 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking of just lattice as a geometrical idea, but okay :P < 1275061318 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1275061320 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's that < 1275061328 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well, this is as opposed to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lattice_(order) < 1275061345 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1275061362 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just had the exam about universal algebra btw, GUESS HOW IT WENT < 1275061377 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a completely different meaning, although there is probably _some_ connection (almost _everything_ in math is connected to the latter one, isn't it) < 1275061381 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1275061394 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there's a connection between the geometric intuition and both of them < 1275061466 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well i guess you aced it, as otherwise you would have been miserably complaining already if i know you ;D < 1275061472 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1275061484 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah not much to complain this year, i've been studied much more < 1275061486 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* < 1275061489 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :studying < 1275061528 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :math is more motivating than programming for mobile phones and software engineering < 1275061536 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh forgetting to eat again < 1275061594 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1275061594 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko < 1275061595 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1275061596 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko < 1275061599 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okoko < 1275061600 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko < 1275061601 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1275061601 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko < 1275061601 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1275061726 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should eat too, although my stomach hurts from drinking coffee all day < 1275061812 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you may be partly responsible, but i think it was more the math courses i took, so don't feel bad < 1275061866 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't exactly a calculated decision, i was told i should switch to math and i was like fuck that's true < 1275061918 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at some point all my cs had been replaced with math cells, without me knowing it < 1275061982 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : You could have picked T, or, W, or something without a well-known prior definition, but noooo. <-- he didn't use unicode blackboard bold chars < 1275061989 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if he had it would have been way more confusing < 1275062009 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But *no-one* uses them here, and he used Z for the nats. < 1275062032 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I use unicode notation if I remember to and I'm not too lazy < 1275062054 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's not like i would feel bad even if i were responsible, though ;D < 1275062122 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cackles evilly just for good measure < 1275062327 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1275062331 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leading impressionable youth into your evil line of "mathematics". < 1275062334 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: why not do like oerjan and read my mind :P < 1275062364 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the first thing you do when you don't understand something < 1275062367 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read the speaker's mind < 1275062394 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AUUUUUM < 1275062435 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1275062437 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 btw < 1275062444 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i presume A, U and M are arbitrary sets there < 1275062467 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, is that the product of the sets or something then? < 1275062528 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1275062550 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually i've seen it mean the multiplication of pairs of elements of the languages X and Y < 1275062569 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean {xy | x \in X, y \in Y} < 1275062602 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if there isn't a multiplication then cartesian product might be the next logical interpretation < 1275062613 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the logic of intuitivity < 1275062642 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh is it just me or has the download system on sf.net gotten slower and more complex to use over time? < 1275062648 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just shakes his head < 1275062658 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but bye for now, oerjan can say my lines from now on -> < 1275062667 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh! < 1275062672 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*bye < 1275064125 0 :Tritonio_GR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1275064376 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once ticked all of the boxes in a survey according to the Thue-Morse sequence. < 1275064389 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The world must know! < 1275064440 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION did that for his suitcase combination < 1275064468 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*briefcase < 1275064491 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha! < 1275064500 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know your suitcase combination! < 1275064508 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh! < 1275064524 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can steal your effects! < 1275064549 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Personal or not! < 1275064559 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dream on < 1275064582 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION books plane tickets to Norway < 1275064599 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googles < 1275064609 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION chants the ancient curse of eyjafjallajökull at Phantom_Hoover  < 1275064628 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's in Iceland! < 1275064654 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless... < 1275064673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, Thue-Morse sequence? < 1275064685 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0110100110010110... < 1275064694 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the pattern < 1275064699 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it has great powers to thwart your plane flight < 1275064726 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION books a boat < 1275064732 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh! < 1275064749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, Norway has that maelstrom iirc < 1275064750 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Start with 0, then concatenate it with the complement < 1275064752 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so beware < 1275064762 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION starts digging < 1275064769 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what? < 1275064775 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION climbs on board a ballistic missile. < 1275064791 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, could also get into issues from volcano < 1275064793 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1275064796 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: So iterating it goes 0, 01, 0110, 01101001... < 1275064822 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, hm why does that remind me of gray code... < 1275064860 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The algorithm is superficially quite similar < 1275064887 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION uses a Kolmogorov machine to teleport into oerjan's office < 1275064896 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/office/whatever/ < 1275064904 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((0)(1)):^!S(~::^S!^*a~^~*a*~:^):^ < 1275064905 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :011010011001011010010110011010011001011001101001011010011001011010010110011010010110100110010110011010011001011010010110011010011001011001101001011010011001011001101001100101101001011001101001011010011001011010010110011010011001011001101001011010011001011010010110011010010110100110010110011010011001011010010110011010010110 ...too much output! < 1275064915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, hm true < 1275064928 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275064931 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament! < 1275064942 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help < 1275064942 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool < 1275064947 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help ul < 1275064947 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool < 1275064952 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Underload. < 1275064977 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to imagine a gray code computer. < 1275064990 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for all integers and such < 1275065000 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how to represent a signed number in gray code < 1275065023 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gray codes are sequences, aren't they? < 1275065087 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, hm? an n-bit gray code encoding can be mapped 1:1 to an n-bit binary encoding < 1275065120 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gray codes as in the differs-by-one-bit sequences? < 1275065147 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, well yes that is the point that they differ by only 1 bit between any pair of numbers next to each other < 1275065193 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it still goes through all combinations. For an example: < 1275065194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bin Gray < 1275065194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00 00 < 1275065195 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01 01 < 1275065195 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 11 < 1275065195 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11 10 < 1275065203 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I get it now. < 1275065209 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1275065237 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, while an adder for a 4 bit gray code number would probably be quite a pain it shouldn't be impossible < 1275065288 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, another important thing with gray code is of course that there is only one bit difference between first and last element too < 1275065296 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, of course. < 1275065372 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why of course? < 1275065373 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how infeasible basic arithmetic would be in gray code... < 1275065398 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know why i asked that :P < 1275065408 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1275065430 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Encoder_Disc_%283-Bit%29.svg < 1275065440 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1275065451 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, imagine that is a disk used in some machinery to read the angle of rotation < 1275065469 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, it uses lamps and sensors to see if an area is black or white < 1275065473 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by that read the value < 1275065489 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, now in practise these might not be perfectly aligned < 1275065496 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm imagining. < 1275065505 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :resulting in you could get an inconsistent reading when right at an edge between two values < 1275065536 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a binary coding you could end up at the wrong side of the disc in your reading that way < 1275065538 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with gray code you can't < 1275065540 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what you're saying is "of course, because that makes most sense" < 1275065553 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not "of course, because the last one is forced" < 1275065562 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, and since it is a circle it must match up between max value and least value < 1275065576 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, I know the engineering reason for it :P < 1275065578 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl food < 1275065594 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Doing addition and subtraction mechanically would be easy. < 1275065628 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would? < 1275065654 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1275065723 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a very regular structure so you could imagine there's a faster addition than looped increment (i guess maybe you could just translate between binary?) < 1275065730 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With one of the wheels, a non-destructive copy routine. < 1275065741 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh mechanically < 1275065742 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although that's just looped increment. < 1275065761 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And would take ages. < 1275065769 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it would look amazingly cool. < 1275065780 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i interpreted your "mechanically" as "") < 1275065793 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1275065797 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever it'd look like < 1275065829 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd make whirring noises. < 1275065847 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I should tell those Rube Goldberg computer people about it... < 1275065861 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so grey -> binary should be easy, first bit is first bit, then you just invert or something if the first bit was one and recurse < 1275065881 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember the exact construction, but i think there's some simple way < 1275065887 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doing arithmetic in binary kind of defeats the point. < 1275065917 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :math is all about cheating :P < 1275065932 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but umm < 1275065938 0 :hiato!~nine@41-132-88-37.dsl.mweb.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1275065939 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once you know how to do it with the translations < 1275065948 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cheating with esoteric stuff is boring. < 1275065949 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1275065953 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can try to do it without them by just looking at what it's doing < 1275065956 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose maybe < 1275065970 0 :hiato!~nine@41-132-88-37.dsl.mweb.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1275065991 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, for 2-bit values +2 is identical to complement. < 1275066007 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, is the thue-morse sequence simply the last bits of the gray codes? < 1275066031 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well how are the grey codes constructed? < 1275066053 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1275066053 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait no < 1275066056 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((0)(1)):^!S(~::^S!^*a~^~*a*~:^):^ < 1275066056 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :011010011001011010010110011010011001011001101001011010011001011010010110011010010110100110010110011010011001011010010110011010011001011001101001011010011001011001101001100101101001011001101001011010011001011010010110011010011001011001101001011010011001011010010110011010010110100110010110011010011001011010010110011010010110 ...too much output! < 1275066072 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it cannot be, because it sometimes changes twice in a row < 1275066087 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall in grey codes you first do some 2^n lines L and then you add a one in the beginning and do L's inverted or something < 1275066088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1275066094 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it'd be thue-morse? < 1275066096 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1275066099 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: Doing addition and subtraction mechanically would be easy. <-- yes but I meant electronically < 1275066113 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would mean it got back where you started since only one bit can change at a time for the gray code < 1275066117 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, also, multiplication and division looks *really* tricky < 1275066124 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1275066180 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : it has a very regular structure so you could imagine there's a faster addition than looped increment (i guess maybe you could just translate between binary?) <-- as I said above I was considering a computer that only used gray code, no binary encoding < 1275066202 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps I should tell those Rube Goldberg computer people about it... <-- what? < 1275066207 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :link! < 1275066214 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you don't reverse or flip any bit sequences, you just do R in reverse order < 1275066218 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*L < 1275066221 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if it was a joke I'm disappointed!) < 1275066225 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :L being the bit strings used sofar < 1275066237 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.diycalculator.com/sp-hrrgcomp.shtml < 1275066246 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some very cool ideas. < 1275066252 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : okay so grey -> binary should be easy, first bit is first bit, then you just invert or something if the first bit was one and recurse <-- iirc the standard way is some xor gate net < 1275066254 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 1 11 10 110 111 101 100 1100 1101 1111 1110 ... < 1275066259 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was that for computing parity? < 1275066269 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe both < 1275066273 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least that way you can make a thingie that always changes one bit < 1275066282 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One idea for the clock was an electrical arc. < 1275066338 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1275066361 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it would seem the last bit of gray code just goes 0110 indefinitely < 1275066368 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, obviously < 1275066400 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and each other bit does the same, just slower < 1275066406 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, that is a trivial result of how gray code is generated < 1275066424 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first they go 0110, let that be a_0, then you always add the same things in the reverse order, so a_(i+1) = a_i (a_i)^-1 < 1275066431 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well yeah it was just relevant to my thue-morse question < 1275066436 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same for the other bits < 1275066438 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1275066448 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ah < 1275066476 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and w w^-1 iterated with that rule is always just (w w^-1)^n's < 1275066492 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not exactly those but among those < 1275066571 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1275066581 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" oerjan, that is a trivial result of how gray code is generated" <<< i retract my statement, proof by AnMaster is better < 1275066623 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: um you were saying the same thing < 1275066625 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, I did not consider that it needed any proof. It should be self evident if you know the algorithm for generating it. < 1275066633 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but i started rambling < 1275066646 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's what i said < 1275066657 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1275066668 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, read my mind and not my messages < 1275066684 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, I can't. Distance too large < 1275066747 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1275066831 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did no-one read the thing on the Rube Goldberg computer? < 1275066869 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i openef < 1275066872 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d it < 1275066929 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I looked at it. Somewhat interesting < 1275066974 0 :ineiros_!~itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1275067098 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I have a better idea for the pneumatic ram < 1275067103 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, that is, for how to read it < 1275067122 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm? < 1275067147 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, suction, and check if you get an under-preasure in the tube. Then the cone connected to it is blocked < 1275067157 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahh. < 1275067170 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than having conducting balls and some wires < 1275067197 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course I'm not sure how feasible it would be to get a tight enough fit for that < 1275067501 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, why are they using 8 bit words btw < 1275067511 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems silly to _not_ use something else in this case < 1275067529 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1275068356 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ( )S((S(0 )S)(S(1 )S))(~:^()~^!:^*(:)~*a~^~*(:)~*a*~:^):^ < 1275068356 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 1 0 1 0 0 1 1 0 0 1 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 1 0 1 1 0 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 1 1 0 0 1 0 1 1 0 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 1 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 1 1 0 0 1 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 1 0 1 1 0 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 1 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 1 1 0 0 1 0 1 1 0 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 1 1 0 0 1 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 1 0 1 1 0 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 1 1 0 0 1 0 1 1 0 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 1 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 1 1 0 0 1 0 1 1 0 0 1 1 ...too much output! < 1275068362 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1275068420 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ( )S((S(0 )S)(S(1 )S))(~:^()~^!:^*((0)~*:)~*a~^~*((1)~*:)~*a*~:^):^ < 1275068421 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 11 10 111 110 010 011 1111 1110 0110 0111 0010 0011 1011 1010 11111 11110 01110 01111 00110 00111 10111 10110 00010 00011 10011 10010 11011 11010 01010 01011 111111 111110 011110 011111 001110 001111 101111 101110 000110 000111 100111 100110 110111 110110 010110 010111 000010 000011 100011 100010 110011 110010 010010 01 ...too much output! < 1275068452 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grmbl < 1275068526 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...oh < 1275068628 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1275070308 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, Norway's coastline has a Hausdorff dimension of 1.52 < 1275070316 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Baah, the UK only has 1.25. < 1275070355 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*MWAHAHAHA* < 1275070391 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's norway, always bringing chaos to the world < 1275070603 0 :Tritonio_GR!~Tritonio@150.140.227.55 JOIN :#esoteric < 1275071160 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.86.86 JOIN :#esoteric < 1275071198 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:36:17 elliottcable: What's the language for? < 1275071199 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:36:29 Also, your first name is suspiciously similar to that of alise. < 1275071199 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:37:00 I've never seen the two of you in the same place. < 1275071201 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably because I hate him. < 1275071224 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, it uses Unicode excessively. Why am I not surprised? < 1275071227 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is he a total cable < 1275071229 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and everyone else trying to leech off your precious name < 1275071272 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is it that I never feel comfortable on a Friday before my palms sweat? < 1275071277 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mysteries of the universe. < 1275071300 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er what < 1275071326 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one tried my language yet? < 1275071337 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what lang < 1275071350 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my RegexPL language < 1275071359 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1275071362 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s PL < 1275071366 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: er what exactly. < 1275071368 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it what i think it is < 1275071376 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's truth, though: my hands feel icky until I do. < 1275071381 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Regular Expression Programming Language :P < 1275071386 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes < 1275071391 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blargh. < 1275071427 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: that's a weird thing to not feel comfortable before happening < 1275071467 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: sweaty palms < 1275071484 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i've described it here: http://zuu.dk/regexpl.php < 1275071492 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably it's some crazy psychological washing the unit off or somet < 1275071517 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the virtual home" What, that website is not a physical establishment? < 1275071548 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dont know if someone else have made something remotely similar, but it is a quite different way of performing computation than soo many other programming languages < 1275071566 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hmm, Norway's coastline has a Hausdorff dimension of 1.52 <-- how do you compute that? < 1275071572 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So; I thought I was getting next week off. I am not. < 1275071573 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: yeah :P < 1275071578 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WP says so. < 1275071581 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise! < 1275071598 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that, at least, I would get sufficient time to meet up with some friends; even though some couldn't make it it would still be better than nothing. Nope; I don't have any two days off in a row. < 1275071608 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here is the ludicrous schedule for next week: < 1275071615 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monday -- bank holiday < 1275071621 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tuesday -- come in on the afternoon, IIRC, as day patient < 1275071624 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wednesday -- off < 1275071630 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thursday -- come in /and then sleep as an inpatient/ < 1275071639 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friday -- leave at 10:30, making the sleeping utterly pointless. < 1275071665 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may just stop bothering to make sense of anything, and go crazy. < 1275071682 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If bureaucracy had a point, it would be something else. < 1275071704 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Do it now, it's very enlightening. < 1275071719 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look at Time Cube. < 1275071720 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more like a dictatorship in this instance. < 1275071729 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They get sexual pleasure from authority, I think. < 1275071733 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is the only way to explain their actions. < 1275071762 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, power suffers from Adams' Point. < 1275071781 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone who wants to be in a position of power is almost certainly unfit to hold it. < 1275071863 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The unit is a wonderful collision of all sorts of incompetency. < 1275071893 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1275071909 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what do you even do in one? < 1275071920 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Extreme power, bad psychology & psychiatry (which is, I might add, almost entirely all of it: this isn't some fringe unit, this is part of the national health service), ... < 1275071959 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION impulsively wants to calculate the dimensions of the Rorschach inkblots < 1275071976 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Imagine a tiny, tiny boarding school (no homosexuality tho) that teaches far, far below your intelligence. Imagine it has "group time" in-between lessons, of which there are only two in a day, and are almost always taught by the same person. Now imagine you can't have a computer or a mobile. < 1275071989 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shudders < 1275071990 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Add a dash of patronisation and bullshit psychology -- < 1275072016 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- and various threats to force you to go there like the Mental Health Act and in my case even being threatened with being fostered if my mother doesn't make me attend -- < 1275072020 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you end up with the unit. < 1275072128 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't know anything about neural networks I will have to start taking my frustration on family members. < 1275072224 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't < 1275072247 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's OK, I pre-empted that. < 1275072273 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And patronisation pervades everyone claiming to be trying to help you. < 1275072329 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1275072370 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's a Law Of The Universe. < 1275072379 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I can develop some theory from it... < 1275072461 0 :Oranjer!~HP_Admini@adsl-243-205-116.cae.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275072467 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer! < 1275072473 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hola < 1275072477 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you oranjer than? < 1275072484 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An oranje? < 1275072500 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Orange+(-ge)+jer < 1275072510 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jer being the first three letters of my name < 1275072577 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, orange is more orange than oranges, you know that < 1275072615 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, but orange was named after oranges, so oranges are the orange against which all other orange is measures. < 1275072631 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/s\./d\./ < 1275072654 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not anymore < 1275072670 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is the fundamental orange! < 1275072715 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the concept has evolved away from its namesake < 1275072736 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now we have other orange things to measure orange with < 1275072742 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as?? < 1275072781 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :safety cones, I guess? < 1275072786 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :orange-flavored ice cream < 1275072826 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of them derives directly from oranges; the other is generally brown from abuse. < 1275072837 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess which is which/ < 1275072870 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both < 1275072927 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXACTLY. < 1275072939 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm glad < 1275073032 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION must research neural nets < 1275073229 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION commits tab mass-murder < 1275073432 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/images/f/f7/Capture_eb416eade6d81876a512df8d3dcb298b2c2f540b.png From the guy who brought you the Richard Dawkins Project < 1275073503 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.conservapedia.com/User_talk:Aschlafly#Considering_An_Open_Letter_to_Richard_Dawkins_at_Conservapedia <-- More insane < 1275073631 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1275074010 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also a video. < 1275074178 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1275074204 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The word "MACHEEEEESMO" is often said. < 1275074229 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ma: Cheese? -Mo'! < 1275074551 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Concrete Roman si a strange, but likeable, font. < 1275074745 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AARGH, A TYPOGRAPHY NERD! < 1275074793 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey now, appearance of information is quite important < 1275074804 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*is < 1275074830 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, liking a font is being a typography nerd now? Boy, as a typography nerd, can I just say that I am sorely upset at the dumbing-down of its requirements. < 1275074840 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, what?! AMS Euler doesn't have bold? < 1275074863 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, you've previously demonstrated dangerous typographical urges! < 1275074965 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes. < 1275074979 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something wrong with typography? :-) < 1275075028 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's odd. < 1275075035 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only an EVIL person would use something other than Microsoft Word! < 1275075111 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Typography is the granddaddy of both (good) design, information presentation, and interfaces. < 1275075140 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Bah, what's wrong with pen and paper? < 1275075149 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your mother. < 1275075159 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how Concrete Roman makes your document look like it was typed out on a typewriter, except it still looks typographically good. < 1275075182 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: That's quite a feat. < 1275075190 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, this is Knuth we're talking about... < 1275075213 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, it is Knuth. < 1275075239 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A guy who went on sabbatical to learn how to do typography right so he could teach a computer how to do it right. :) < 1275075302 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, so I noticed that the (a,b)-representing-(a-b) construction of Z and the (a,b)-representing-(a/b) construction of Q are very, very similar. < 1275075311 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, they are the same transformation -- on N and Z, respectively! < 1275075331 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider a set S and a binary operation * : (S,S) -> S with identity element e. < 1275075332 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then: < 1275075335 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inj(x) = (x,e) < 1275075341 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inv (a,b) = (b,a) < 1275075346 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a,b) ~ (c,d) = (a*b = c*d) < 1275075352 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a,b) *' (c,d) = (a*b, c*d) < 1275075368 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, wait, that one is wrong. < 1275075373 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a,b) *' (c,d) = (a*c, b*d) < 1275075379 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a,b) *i (c,d) = (a*d, b*c) < 1275075408 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then we have *' being the analogy to * and *i the inversion. < 1275075756 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this a well-known transformation? It must be; it's so trivial. < 1275075868 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1275075933 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dilemma when using a significantly different body and mathematics font: To follow, or not, the standard punctuation rule of putting punctuation in the end of quotes, instead of outside them, or not. < 1275075965 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things usually flow better if you put the punctuation inside the mathematics, but for "." this is not so; the "." in mathematical fonts are usually much thicker and bolder than those in text fonts, so things look a bit strange. < 1275075966 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Opinions? < 1275076081 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION puts all punctuation inside apart from "." for now. But that seems so strange. < 1275076135 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I heard that you know someone's a programmer if they put punctuation on the outside in writing < 1275076148 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer: ... Or British. < 1275076155 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1275076160 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, cool < 1275076185 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I must admit I find myself putting some punctuation on the inside. < 1275076207 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've misplaced yourself < 1275076211 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having a seeming "space" between the space where the quote mark is (which are so high up they're "invisible" in a way) and the punctuation. < 1275076216 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- is strange < 1275076240 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, just in case nobody's written about this transformation before (p ~= 0), I am hereby the first: http://filebin.ca/owxsdu/extend.pdf < 1275076262 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, I just did that for the very remote possibility it's not a known thing. < 1275076262 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: You realise that the only reason why punctuation ends up inside is that the quote mark slugs where small, right? :P < 1275076281 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*were < 1275076292 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Well, a lot of things are silly. < 1275076300 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ou" spellings are a hypercorrection, for instance. < 1275076312 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1275076338 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still. < 1275076351 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For mathematical fonts it's different. < 1275076364 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since you have a mathematical-font character and then a jarring differently-styled punctuation mark right after. < 1275076521 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Anyway -- "According to the Cambridge Handbook for Editors, Copy-editors and Proofreaders, periods and commas that are part of the persons speech are permitted inside the quotation marks regardless." < 1275076529 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which covers most instances such as, say, speech. < 1275076560 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1275076671 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like Middle English. < 1275076733 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc5-sgyl29-2-0-cust220.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1275076807 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, does anyone want to tell me how Lost ended? I don't know a fucking thing about it, so this should be fun. < 1275076822 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I know a thing or two. < 1275076825 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But still. < 1275076831 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was his sled. < 1275076835 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::PO < 1275076848 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::PO; what species are you exactly? < 1275076875 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[The flash sideways is revealed to be a type of purgatory for the main characters, where they reside until accepting their life and death, and are then able to "let go" and "move on."]] < 1275076878 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is so boring < 1275076885 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait a second... that was the ending of Ashes to Ashes, too. < 1275076894 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must. Create. Conspiracy. Theory... < 1275076919 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1275077213 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I want to make a rap involving certain differences in programming languages < 1275077262 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At first, I thought maybe on the subtle differences in assignment, but I think equality and identity comparision might be more useful, because those tend to vary more widely and insanely < 1275077295 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-46-68.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1275077308 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo < 1275077317 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you're insane. < 1275077321 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a q about blowfish < 1275077330 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you know you're really insane, because I'm insane, and even I think (sanely) that you're insane. < 1275077331 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is parametrized, how do i decide what setup cost i should be using? i understand it is dictated by the hardware the attacker might be using < 1275077339 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: are you hashing passwords? < 1275077343 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1275077344 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1275077345 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not going to have all languages < 1275077346 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: use bcrypt < 1275077358 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It probably needs to include PHP though, which I know nothing about < 1275077361 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the idea < 1275077367 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't know what complexity to use < 1275077369 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: ah. < 1275077380 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: well, is this an irc server or a bank? < 1275077392 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, it's not Blowfish that's parameterised; it's bcrypt. < 1275077401 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, the default for at least the Python library is 12, but you can get away with a lot more than that. < 1275077418 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: Just pick a big value such that making it much bigger would make password hashing take an unreasonable amount of time. < 1275077425 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, this will be excessive, but it's not like that's harmful. < 1275077431 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how do i know if it's good or not? < 1275077444 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bigger is better < 1275077449 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not necessarily < 1275077454 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's ridiculously secure so even low values like 12 should be good. < 1275077455 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*better. < 1275077458 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want 2 people logging in at the same time to take down the server. < 1275077463 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if I were in charge of a bank I'd go higher. < 1275077475 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: Then experiment with values until it's fast. < 1275077485 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.openbsd.org/papers/bcrypt-paper.ps is the paper; maybe it has some suggestions. < 1275077487 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then it might not be secure enough. < 1275077501 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't read ps < 1275077538 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How likely do you figure are people to spend thousands of computer-years trying to crack a single password? < 1275077542 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1275077547 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: why not? What OS? < 1275077562 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If Windows, I don't know; Google it or something. If Linux, yes you can. If OS X, yes you can. < 1275077566 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If phone, get a computer :-) < 1275077576 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or if it's an iPhone, I think you can still; I know it does PDFs.) < 1275077611 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: linux on gprs and no software to read ps < 1275077656 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, i need to understand what complexity takes how long to break a password < 1275077673 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: gprs -- so mobile. < 1275077674 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: You're scaling between hundreds of years and millions of years. < 1275077679 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, just bad mobile internet. < 1275077685 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: do you have xpdf? Evince? < 1275077689 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Umm... anything?! < 1275077695 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have... < 1275077696 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash < 1275077705 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does bash read ps? < 1275077732 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what is a reputable source that quotes those numbers? < 1275077734 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No... < 1275077741 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what year was that estimation made? < 1275077744 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would Bash read ps? < 1275077749 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try gs. < 1275077751 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, you tell me < 1275077784 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it's called a rhetorical question. < 1275077791 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Perhaps you could ps2ascii for him? < 1275077793 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha. < 1275077825 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bloody rhetorical questions... < 1275077827 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i think i have evince < 1275077835 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'll read pses. < 1275077896 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|| || | | || < 1275077896 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|| || /` | | /~~\ || < 1275077897 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :||==|| | ~\ | | | | < 1275077897 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|| || \___ |, |, \~~/ ** < 1275077898 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ps2ascii < 1275077919 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so alise < 1275077928 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy fuck that sucks. < 1275077938 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i make the connection of complexity <-> number of years required to crack < 1275077981 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no, I did that manually :D < 1275077983 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define complexity? < 1275077993 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was quite good thank you very much! < 1275078003 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: magic; anyway, I think the paper has a sum < 1275078004 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1275078020 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How are we defining complexity? < 1275078044 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm hallucinating. I thought I heard my computer beep lightly, but the sound's all the way down, and no one pinged me on IRC or anything < 1275078075 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evidently aliens. < 1275078087 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I do that often. < 1275078212 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It irritates me that there aren't any really good mathematical fonts. < 1275078224 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1275078231 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me guess; Computer Modern? < 1275078239 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1275078242 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's Didone, for heaven's sake! < 1275078249 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's wrong with bloody TeX? < 1275078258 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Congratulations; you don't know what a font is. < 1275078266 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course I do! < 1275078274 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please go to your nearest euthanisation booth. < 1275078275 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But why do you need mathematical ones? < 1275078285 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you even know what TeX /is/? Or what Computer Modern is? < 1275078289 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes! < 1275078295 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, not Computer Modern. < 1275078299 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Replying to "[request for font]" with "TeX" makes no sense! < 1275078314 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably you mean TeX's /default/ font -- which is ABSOLUTELY changeable -- Computer Modern! < 1275078326 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I already preempted and responded to: But it's Didone, for heaven's sake! < 1275078342 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I get it now. < 1275078347 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay < 1275078367 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's wrong with Didonity? < 1275078368 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have my grievances with TeX-the-typesetting-system too, but that's neither here nor there. < 1275078376 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It's ghastly. < 1275078384 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1275078390 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Computer Modern is admittedly one of the better specimens of Didonicity. < 1275078401 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Why does shit stink? < 1275078403 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's stinky. < 1275078410 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a font! It specifies a way for symbols to be displayed on the screen! < 1275078417 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, actually, it's a typeface. < 1275078431 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it specifies some constraints with parameters on abstract glyphs. < 1275078433 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yesyesyes < 1275078438 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like? < 1275078444 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look up METAFONT. < 1275078458 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Computer Modern's sans variation, for instance, is produced merely by setting the relevant serif-controlling parameters of Computer Modern to zero. < 1275078466 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Similar with the bold font, etc. < 1275078474 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure about the italic font. < 1275078492 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the specific problem? < 1275078501 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With Didonicity? < 1275078507 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aesthetic value! < 1275078516 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because for a font F, Didonicity(F) is almost exactly equal to Fugly(F). < 1275078534 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes there is a very large value of DesignerWithGoodTaste(F) which outweighs this; the only known example is Computer Modern. < 1275078550 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, computer modern is a family of typefaces < 1275078553 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not a typeface < 1275078555 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear god, I never thought I'd *ever* be having a heated discussion over this. < 1275078561 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: Okay, okay, you win the pedant war. :) < 1275078570 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you don't win the MORAL HIGH-GROUND! < 1275078593 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't intend to - i enjoy being immoral < 1275078602 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now explain this complexity parameter to me < 1275078606 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THERE IS NO MORAL HIGH GROUND FOR TYPESETTING. < 1275078607 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and find good citations < 1275078612 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: No, vagrant. < 1275078615 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, die < 1275078623 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DIE: The moral high-ground < 1275078627 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, that's King Vagrant for you < 1275078648 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's typesetting! You make words and stuff, it appears on the screen! Morals don't come into it! < 1275078679 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`define moral < 1275078682 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1275078685 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Typesetting/typography -- it's about words and stuff." < 1275078690 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate you for saying that! < 1275078690 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1275078692 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1275078694 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DIE, SIR, DIE. < 1275078700 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!define < 1275078703 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!define moral < 1275078709 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAH < 1275078726 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls < 1275078728 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ cube2.base64 \ cube2.jpg \ hack_gregor \ hello.txt \ help.txt \ huh \ netcat-0.7.1 \ netcat-0.7.1.tar.gz \ out.txt \ paste \ poetry.txt \ quotes \ share \ test.sh \ tmpdir.3738 \ wunderbar_emporium < 1275078732 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls bin < 1275078733 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? \ addquote \ calc \ commands \ creatures \ define \ esolang \ etymology \ fortune \ google \ helpme \ imdb \ karma \ marco \ minifind \ paste \ ping \ quote \ rec \ roll \ runfor \ sayhi \ strfile \ swedish \ toutf8 \ translate \ translatefromto \ translateto \ unstr \ url \ wolfram < 1275078751 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`define moral < 1275078752 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1275078763 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT IS A WORD YOU STUPID PROGRAM. < 1275078773 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`define define < 1275078775 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1275078780 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run define define < 1275078781 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1275078787 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...This isn't a dictionary, is it? < 1275078791 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run define < 1275078793 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define what? < 1275078795 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run define what < 1275078797 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1275078805 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, besides, you lose any moral ground since you're by default on the wrong end of the antiqua-fraktur dispute < 1275078808 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run define Why the hell this doesn't work < 1275078810 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1275078812 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run define --help < 1275078813 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1275078820 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run define --help 2>&1 < 1275078822 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ Looking up 127.0.0.1:3128 \ Making HTTP connection to 127.0.0.1:3128 \ Alert!: Unable to connect to remote host. \ \ lynx: Can't access startfile http://google.com/search?q=define:%2d%2d%68%65%6c%70 < 1275078825 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: You /like/ Fraktur? < 1275078832 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's w hy it doesn't work < 1275078841 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't read german books in latin script < 1275078858 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: Yes, I can quote too. < 1275078868 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: More to the point: you /like/ German? < 1275078877 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: Yes you do. Unless you write German in runes? < 1275078882 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a wonderful language to be angry in. < 1275078889 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i write german with a sword < 1275078893 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in your chest. < 1275078901 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My point exactly. < 1275078952 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, what emotions do languages map to... < 1275078955 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Now now, we both know what that quote means. < 1275078966 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :French: romance. Or pretentiousness. < 1275078978 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you don't: Latin Antiqua script vs. German Fraktur script dispute.) < 1275078995 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Latin: pretentiousness. < 1275079009 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fraktur, note, is ugly except in very specific circumstances. < 1275079020 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fraktur is such a pain to read. < 1275079032 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Certainly I'd rather read a book in Antiqua than Fraktur no matter what the language; Fraktur basically embodies hostility to the reader -- "you cannot read this". < 1275079051 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is almost as if it is intentionally designed such that only the sufficiently patient and determined can make sense of its forms. < 1275079060 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: German: POWER. < 1275079085 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Grass script is worse. (note: only relevant for Chinese characters) < 1275079099 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not Japanese? < 1275079107 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks that up. Ow. < 1275079108 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OW. < 1275079115 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to cry < 1275079116 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Japanese uses Chinese characters as well. < 1275079132 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should be called "fuck you script". < 1275079172 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortunately, it's only used for calligraphy, not for writing... < 1275079187 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because *nobody can freaking read it*) < 1275079219 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Calligraphy irritates me some. < 1275079240 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chinese calligraphy is quite nice when it's not grass script. < 1275079261 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(semicursive script and regular script are nice. Mmm.) < 1275079263 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fraktur is so easy to learn and quite beautiful to behold < 1275079284 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and easy to read < 1275079300 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you expect to be able to read cyrillic off the bat without having actually been taught < 1275079338 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Fraktur is nominally *the same damned script*. It's just a very hard to read rendering thereof! < 1275079339 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not beautiful. It's pretty much the opposite of beautiful: pointless flourish and agonising at times, painfully fractured (how appropriate) the rest. < 1275079356 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's not. < 1275079359 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not easy to read; no way can you read it as fluidly as Antiqua-descendants. < 1275079372 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Continuing... < 1275079381 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :English: instruction manuals. < 1275079381 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I'm quite uninterested in the opinion of anyone who likes Fraktur; even if it's an opinion about Fraktur. < 1275079384 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1275079410 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fraktur is as similar to antiqua as greek is similar to orthodox cyrillic < 1275079425 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: Failure. < 1275079439 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...They're both Latin scripts? < 1275079446 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, they're not < 1275079455 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go read a book < 1275079473 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes, Fraktur is a style of Roman script. As is Antiqua. < 1275079503 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: Linguistics failure. < 1275079508 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: Yes they are. They both use Latin characters. < 1275079516 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What more could you possibly want? < 1275079533 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone who uses a Roman script will be able to recognise Fraktus as a very ornate rendering of Roman script. < 1275079543 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Fraktus/Fraktur/ < 1275079576 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, it's closer to Antiqua than handwritten cursive is. < 1275079636 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, you want an authentically German script? Learn runes. < 1275079748 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, not really < 1275079763 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, they use roman characters... there's no such thing as latin characters. < 1275079777 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same difference. < 1275079790 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what I meant. < 1275079833 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, according to WP "Latin" and "Roman" are interchangeable. < 1275079877 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, why are there so many quote marks? < 1275079890 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: "Not really" what? < 1275079892 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runes? < 1275079911 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are a script legitimately meant for Germanic languages. < 1275079964 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1275079998 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yareally. < 1275080009 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you're saying that the Roman characters were reinvented for Germanic languages? < 1275080018 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at cheater, not pikhq) < 1275080179 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? < 1275080364 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so why is Fraktur not Latin? < 1275080369 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Egyptienne is a nice slab serif. < 1275080420 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because Latin is a language < 1275080433 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a Latin Script is a script used for that language < 1275080445 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Failure*, cheater99. < 1275080447 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Fraktur has never been used for Latin books < 1275080447 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Failure*. < 1275080480 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, that didn't have the effect you desired the first time around, and it won't even if you hammer it a thousand times < 1275080487 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might have a different effect though! < 1275080489 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: It's still true! < 1275080522 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, your mom. < 1275080529 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your statements are so bloody ignorant it makes my brain bleed! < 1275080560 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Latin script, more commonly called the Roman script, is the script originally developed for use in Latin, and later adapted to a *large* number of languages. < 1275080586 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has had many, many different stylistic variants, simply because it has been in use for a couple millenia now. < 1275080600 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you copypasting that from anyone-can-contribute-pedia? < 1275080610 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I'm not. < 1275080623 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prove it. < 1275080631 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have HTTP access ATM. < 1275080642 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hearsay < 1275080670 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You, sir, are an idiot, who needs to learn more about linguistics before talking about writing systems. < 1275080681 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pity our resident linguist isn't around ATM. < 1275080693 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love you too < 1275080710 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: Actually refute what he's saying, rather than accusing him of getting it off WP. < 1275080737 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i absolutely do not care enough for this to happen < 1275080752 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, what you're saying is... You're a troll? < 1275080791 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, what i'm saying is i had an interesting conversation with alise and you came in with your boring interjections and spoiled it < 1275080825 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I hate both of you? < 1275080830 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems fair. < 1275080854 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Please, do. I have precious few enemies of late. It makes life more interesting to have good enemies. < 1275080857 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: can't rape the willing < 1275080873 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Though, note that you too have the obligation to provide references. < 1275080884 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I am incapable of doing so ATM. < 1275080892 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then chill a bit :) < 1275080903 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. ([Pikhq's Memory]) < 1275080906 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's my citation. < 1275080906 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1275080911 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shit, my life ranks pretty damn high on the shitty scales and even I'm chilling right now. < 1275080924 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: You think I'm worked up? < 1275080947 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, perhaps not; but your text was. < 1275080960 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a serious problem with that. < 1275080960 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so alise < 1275080969 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I noticed. I do too < 1275080970 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :want 2 talk about what's putting you down? < 1275080976 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: You hate like everyone. < 1275080982 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My discussions can get significantly more inflammatory than they are meant to be. < 1275080982 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: If you're in here you should know :-) < 1275080990 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i don't < 1275080995 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i am only here periodically < 1275081008 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: but i care for this channel, fill me in < 1275081022 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, apology accepted < 1275081028 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: Suffice to say that I'm falsely forced to be in a bureaucratic children's mental institution Monday to Friday that is basically a relic of the 60s; and to a large degree I'm treat like a 7-year-old there. < 1275081031 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: :P < 1275081042 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: HEY I NEVER APOLIGISED! (j/k) < 1275081049 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I have tried to protest by not attending they first threatened to invoke the Mental Health act on me; then, they threatened (to my mother) to put me into foster care. < 1275081059 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My life is shitty; discuss. < 1275081072 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: how old r u < 1275081082 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14. < 1275081086 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, it's 'FML, discuss' < 1275081092 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I'm male; this name is a long story < 1275081093 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Am I allowed to ask why in the first place? < 1275081101 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: They think I'm crazy < 1275081107 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want something more specific ask more specifically :P < 1275081112 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: every time i see your nickname i think of the gif of alisee waving her hips < 1275081119 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the version with a huge penis stuck on < 1275081135 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Why do they think you're crazy? < 1275081141 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: Good to know, good to know. < 1275081147 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: if i were you i would be really nice to your mom and ask her to put you in a better place than tht < 1275081150 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that < 1275081161 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: My mother isn't the one doing it! She's sane enough to hate it too. < 1275081170 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then who's 'doing it' and y? < 1275081177 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When she cooperated with my not attending, they told her that if she didn't force me to attend they'd put me in foster care. < 1275081194 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: The Over-Arching Happy Fun State of Great Britain; specifically the "National 'Health' Service" division. < 1275081198 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*'Service' < 1275081218 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are they doing that to you < 1275081230 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do they think you're crazy? < 1275081236 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: they think I'm crazy < 1275081239 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1275081246 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: because they looked at me and decided in their expert opinion that i am crazy < 1275081248 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: The Queen in Right of Britain seems to like enabling power trips. < 1275081254 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's as much a puzzle to me as it is to you. < 1275081255 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why have they 'looked at you' < 1275081263 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not: The Queen in Right of Britain is a quite distinct entity from Her Majesty) < 1275081279 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evidently an unhealthy interest in typography. < 1275081282 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: That's quite a long story & one I'd rather not go in to, least of all because it isn't entirely to do with me. < 1275081297 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They had no prior reason to believe I was crazy, though. < 1275081306 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: so can your mom put you in a different place? < 1275081319 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: No. < 1275081328 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: No, but they can expatriate. < 1275081346 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :expatriate meaning move out of britain? < 1275081383 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is what happens when one expatriates from a country in Great Britain. < 1275081408 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though typically someone who wishes to expatriate would like to leave the UK, not just one of England, Scotland, or Wales. < 1275081412 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1275081416 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't they stop you doing that too? < 1275081427 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Not really. < 1275081430 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not unless I've committed a crime. < 1275081431 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: No; it's the NHS. < 1275081441 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd be surprised... < 1275081455 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am pretty sure I am not on any terrorist watch lists < 1275081470 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Workers of the NHS have often prevented me from leaving the country. < 1275081471 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :& I am also pretty sure that they would not have the foresight to preemptively block a completely unexpected flight. < 1275081473 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have the power to declare someone in their care in need of hospitalisation. < 1275081477 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Oh? < 1275081479 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do tel. < 1275081481 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*tell < 1275081499 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They do not have the power to declare someone in another nation in need of hospitalisation. < 1275081500 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, my parents have never let me leave the country without me, so... < 1275081516 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/me,/them,/ < 1275081528 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd have trouble leaving without me too < 1275081530 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Cheesy. < 1275081533 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALso, curse your s// < 1275081538 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Also < 1275081564 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway what they say I have is OCD & some high-functioning autism spectrum disorder. < 1275081571 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They don't work for the psychiatric bits, so I'm not fraternising with the enemy) < 1275081579 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will accept that I have aspects of both but together they are two labels too strong. < 1275081587 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, that's a reason to effectively lock you up WHY? < 1275081592 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, why is that grounds for sectioning? < 1275081594 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also definitely reject that I need to be sleeping in an institution all week. < 1275081596 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Indeed! < 1275081599 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The irony being that all their treatments are likely to make either one *worse*. < 1275081599 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the most crazy thing. < 1275081608 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ONOEZ HE WILL ARRANGE THINGS < 1275081611 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only sane response even if I /did/ have those disorders would be to treat me at home! < 1275081619 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Putting me in an institution is an unacceptable response. < 1275081633 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, did I mention I'm not allowed any internet connection? < 1275081634 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At all? < 1275081637 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND WILL ARRANGE THINGS WHILE NOT TALKING TO PEOPLE < 1275081640 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I think socializing might be an important part, though < 1275081643 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So maybe that's the goal? < 1275081645 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only time you're allowed to use the internet is on the well-monitored, filtered-to-shit school computers. < 1275081653 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Ah, but you might arrange things and not talk to people *online* < 1275081655 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Socialising? You can't even go out without a trip of some sort being planned. < 1275081662 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I have no access to the internet... < 1275081668 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I could only socialise with the very few people at the unit. < 1275081675 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoop de doo, I am newly integrated into society < 1275081681 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Autism != not talking to people. < 1275081698 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was not, in fact, being serious. < 1275081705 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION , being autistic, would know < 1275081711 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION would also < 1275081714 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway if they knew anything about Asperger's-ish syndromes they'd know that taking one away from their "obsession" (which any right-thinking person working under the assumption that I had Asperger's would definitely deduce to be computers) is psychologically traumatic. < 1275081721 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they're fucking retards any way you cut it. < 1275081723 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not all autistic people understand autism *looks selfwards* < 1275081728 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: No fucking shit. < 1275081731 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: :P < 1275081733 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not to mention that even if all this was the "right" thing to do... it violates the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. < 1275081737 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I don't believe you have autism. < 1275081739 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, is anyone here *not* autistic? < 1275081744 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Aspergerial? < 1275081745 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes, almost everyone. < 1275081746 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a sec brb < 1275081750 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asperger's, well, no. < 1275081753 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wanna know why? < 1275081755 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well, Asperger's, according to a doctor a while ago, according to my dad < 1275081764 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asperger's syndrome is SO BROADLY DEFINED that /anyone/ of a nerdy disposition has it. < 1275081772 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And even a lot of people /without/ such a disposition. < 1275081781 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC Aspergers and autism don't have well-defined boundaries < 1275081784 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a useless label -- it refers to /nothing/. < 1275081797 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Autism is very well-defined, and very noticeable. < 1275081799 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asperger's is soon to cease being a diagnosis. < 1275081802 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asperger's nowadays means nothing. < 1275081808 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As indeed I said. < 1275081808 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes; they're removing it from the DSM, aren't they? < 1275081811 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, the DSM is a pile of shit. < 1275081812 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yes. < 1275081824 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So soon I will be just "autistic"? < 1275081831 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Soon you will just be nothing. < 1275081831 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes. < 1275081835 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your diagnosis was almost certainly wrong. < 1275081837 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, depends. < 1275081847 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you've only ever known me online < 1275081847 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But when even the DSM thinks some diagnosis is a stupid piece of shit, you can be pretty sure it's a stupid piece of shit. :P < 1275081850 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're an antisocial nerd; nothing wrong with that. < 1275081856 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: If you were autistic... We'd know. < 1275081861 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're not zzo38. < 1275081869 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or pikhq. < 1275081876 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Wait, you're not particularly odd. < 1275081887 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(zzo38 is fucking obvious, though. I mean damn.) < 1275081890 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: What are you trying to say? < 1275081892 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ... < 1275081900 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'd say you have pretty mild autism, based solely on your IRC persona. < 1275081908 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have weird definitions of *everything* < 1275081909 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My dad kept emphasizing "mild" < 1275081912 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, zzo38 is a most wonderfulest person. < 1275081918 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Mild, but noticable, yes. < 1275081927 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Mild Asperger's? Asperger's is already so mild as to be more a block of nothing than cheese! < 1275081938 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My IRC persona is pretty much the same as my IRL persona. < 1275081941 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm, cheese. < 1275081950 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, even including pedantic usage of language. < 1275081955 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: In which case, meeting you would be awesome. < 1275082003 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION must. learn. neural. nets. < 1275082005 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1275082021 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he suffered from extreme self-awareness < 1275082025 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He, himself, was a neural net. < 1275082030 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1275082035 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Hahahah. < 1275082079 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, remember how you said I shouldn't work on this project unless I'm getting paid, or think it's incredibly incredibly important, or (forgot what the third condition was)? < 1275082098 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes. < 1275082105 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're hypothetically getting paid, I assume? < 1275082109 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figure that I will get paid in attention < 1275082128 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you'd be the profit's kind suffixed by "whore". < 1275082145 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there anyone who isn't? < 1275082162 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm what is normal harddrive temperatures? < 1275082166 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My introductory speech for my speech class was how attention-seeking isn't inherently a bad thing < 1275082183 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :31-32 C doesn't seem too bad < 1275082251 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"except it still looks typographically good" <<< you mean typographically non-monospacedly crappy? < 1275082252 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I'm not an attention whore, I don't think. Just an attention slut. < 1275082261 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew oklopol would come in <3 < 1275082275 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you'd like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concrete_Roman it's like it's monospaced < 1275082280 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it also appeases typonerds like myself. < 1275082286 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, what's the difference, exactly? < 1275082299 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Look up the specs for your model. Typically up to around 50 is fine, I think. < 1275082307 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, well that is a given if it was alise that said it < 1275082350 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Firstly, shut up. < 1275082362 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, ah good idea. And yeah 31 C should be fine considering the indoor temp. It went to 39 C the day it was 27 C inside. And today it is about 18 C. < 1275082366 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Secondly, it was a product of Knuth; conflicting raging-AnMaster-opinions alert. < 1275082378 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: slut is slightly less severe :-) < 1275082389 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: of course N->Z and Z->Q are the same thing, you're adding inverses to an operation lacking them (it's possible i haven't explicitly realized this tho) < 1275082390 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: My God, I want Concrete Roman as a terminal font. < 1275082392 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1275082402 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it was something you could have said though < 1275082414 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yeah but the point is that you can do it "automagically" < 1275082428 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it always comes out as tuples (a,b) representing op_inv(a,b) < 1275082481 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275082496 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, hm... Non-monospace would be a pain in a terminal < 1275082503 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same goes for irc < 1275082526 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only in a shitty Unix terminal. < 1275082529 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1275082533 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I use a serifed font for IRC. < 1275082570 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, how does the listing in "/msg nickserv help" (without quotes, duh) look to you? < 1275082585 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Readable enough. < 1275082592 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably the second column is not very well aligned though? < 1275082594 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're missing out \o/ < 1275082594 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                      | < 1275082594 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                      >\ < 1275082596 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't have to be aligned to see what the commands do; and how often do you look at nickserv help? < 1275082599 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Far more often I talk. < 1275082606 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv: No, it's great because it looks ridiculous < 1275082608 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well operserv then? < 1275082612 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1275082621 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not authorized to use OperServ. :P < 1275082634 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well duh not on here. But aren't you an oper anywhere? < 1275082638 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Everything you've learned in life. In five words. GO." ;; if you can answer this, you haven't learned much. < 1275082640 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No. < 1275082645 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't want to be. < 1275082647 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I'm kind of surprised in fact. < 1275082668 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? You know that #esoteric is about 90% of my IRC usage. < 1275082683 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1275082697 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, no I didn't < 1275082703 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. < 1275082708 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must... stop... trying.. to.. be.. verbose.. on.. Twitter < 1275082710 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I thought you were in #haskell and various other channels too? < 1275082711 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure whether to be flattered or not, then. :P < 1275082717 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, #haskell sometimes. < 1275082719 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still all Freenode, though. < 1275082728 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" alise: You hate like everyone." <<< she doesn't hate me < 1275082740 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just all you idiots < 1275082742 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, freenode is a large part of my channel list too < 1275082744 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, here's my obligatory five-word summary: "Keep calm and carry on." < 1275082747 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-you < 1275082749 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*obligatory joke < 1275082791 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, 50% or so from a quick guesstimate based on ocular inspection of the channel list. < 1275082815 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ocular. Really now. < 1275082820 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway. < 1275082827 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well, it is correct. < 1275082843 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even like being an op :-) < 1275082852 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grah, removing spaces and punctuation just to fit 140chars hurt my soul < 1275082857 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually I'm only an op so that crappy people don't become ops :p < 1275082867 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: So don't use Twitter. < 1275082877 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ocular: [...] 3. Seen by the eye; visual < 1275082878 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I mostly follow people and bots < 1275082884 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ocular < 1275082887 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who follows you? < 1275082888 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I know. < 1275082890 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: But come on. < 1275082896 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, a surprisingly large number < 1275082901 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: 4? < 1275082905 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I rather liked the phrase "quick guesstimate based on ocular inspection" < 1275082908 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :37 < 1275082912 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : you're more noise sensitive than the average human? < 1275082916 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, my secondary account has 104 followers < 1275082927 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know I am; all my senses are quite a bit sharper than ordinary. < 1275082936 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which makes me wonder: what is everyone else missing? < 1275082945 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Why "of course"? < 1275082949 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it sounds so.... hm.... hard to describe it. Not scientific. Not bureaucratic. But something along those directions. < 1275082961 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Verbose? < 1275082962 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it's a bot, just tweets when a new OOTS is up < 1275082966 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Far more interesting than I am < 1275082967 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Ah. < 1275082967 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ah thanks :) < 1275082997 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is jealous < 1275083018 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It occurs to me upon this present time that, as I sit at my computer typing on IRC, I should consider a fact; that fact would enlighten the populace of the #esoteric channel, or at least one member of it; and it would be a very good thing to say now; and I must also consider that the identity of that fact should be known as the fact that AnMaster could be the next Dickens. < 1275083021 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, plus I seen "ocular inspection" used in a protocol to describe the process of checking a house for water damage. < 1275083038 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Wait, is anyone here *not* autistic?" <<< i'm a normal brained healthy boy < 1275083051 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who eats dog food < 1275083051 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seemed rather silly. It sounds even sillier in Swedish (which was the language of the protocol): "okulär inspektion" < 1275083065 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okulr Inspektion would be a kick-ass band/album name < 1275083076 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, wonderful statement above < 1275083083 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You'd like Dickens. < 1275083093 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which also indicates that you have terrible taste. < 1275083095 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hm I read David Copperfield < 1275083102 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't like it that much < 1275083103 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a feeling I can now ping pikhq to invoke horrible rage upon the name Dickens. < 1275083117 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My sentence there was modelled upon the opening of Great Expectations. < 1275083118 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was kind of "meh" < 1275083140 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has been out of touch with non-Pratchett literature for years < 1275083151 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dickens is a bit... older than that. < 1275083157 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, don't you find writing in various verbose and bureaucratic stylistic styles fun? < 1275083160 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/91/JapaneseTtypewriter.jpg I cannot even begin to fathom how glad Japanese people must have been to have computers do typesetting. < 1275083166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, quite a lot older < 1275083179 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Dickens' style was hurt quite greatly by being paid by the word. < 1275083181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, how does that work < 1275083183 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I don't think I've read much fiction outside of Pratchett < 1275083188 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Poorly. < 1275083200 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, well yes but where are the keys < 1275083203 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I have an innate dislike of the man himself; he was quite overly sentimental. < 1275083206 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: it's not monospaced, impossible to read < 1275083213 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, sorry for not saying anything all day < 1275083216 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's time for me to go home < 1275083224 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, cya < 1275083224 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, does Calculus the Easy Way count as fiction < 1275083226 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1275083234 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :His novels seem shallow to me: they're fancies in the land of irrelevancy; disconnected to any experience that we know because they take place in a hackneyed, fake universe. < 1275083239 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's a fictional sto.. the answer's obviously yes, isn't it < 1275083239 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, ? < 1275083244 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: YES BCUZ LOL CALCULUS IS HARD LOL < 1275083259 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, um? < 1275083260 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : pikhq, well yes but where are the keys < 1275083261 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1275083264 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: I was imitating an idiot. < 1275083265 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, brb. < 1275083270 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, yes that is what I asked about < 1275083293 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I'm unable to spot anything remotely like keys in http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/91/JapaneseTtypewriter.jpg < 1275083316 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like I haven't learned any math since 7th grade or so < 1275083332 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on oculating my chanlist freenode is 40% of my channelity < 1275083344 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, heh < 1275083381 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-106-123-171.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275083404 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sensitivity to senses is one of those things self-described aspies love < 1275083409 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways. What'd I miss? < 1275083409 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, best bureaucratic phrase of all time, which I seem unable to translate to English: "grönfoderomvandlande mjölkproduktionsenhet" < 1275083416 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for those who know Swedish however... < 1275083419 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You move the handle around to select the type slug, and then the machine strikes the slug against the page. < 1275083425 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last line to/from me. < 1275083425 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(btw it means "cow", which is usually "ko" in Swedish) < 1275083453 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Calque it? < 1275083454 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, ah < 1275083457 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, what? < 1275083466 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1275083467 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Calque"? < 1275083471 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Translate each individual component? < 1275083477 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1275083478 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1275083481 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :pikhq < 1275083492 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Calques are absurdly common in English. < 1275083515 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" who eats dog food" <<< it all tastes almost the same, i've found < 1275083529 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, something like: "green fodder converting" "milk production unit" < 1275083543 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure of "fodder", got it from google translate" < 1275083548 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/"$// < 1275083574 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Fodder" is the *cognate* word. < 1275083588 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what the heck does cognate mean? < 1275083605 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same etymological origin. < 1275083614 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1275083623 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" His novels seem shallow to me: they're fancies in the land of irrelevancy; disconnected to any experience that we know because they take place in a hackneyed, fake universe." <<< the less a story has to do with life as we know it, the better it is < 1275083654 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, anyway, this was from a report from some municipality. A journalist I know told me about this. She had to read the report. < 1275083679 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, why does the Sirius XM app want to directly call phone numbers? < 1275083686 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, Told me she called the person who wrote it and asked how on earth he thought when he wrote it. He seemed unable to understand why it was an issue. < 1275083713 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of sad really < 1275083749 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay i finished the log < 1275083755 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now shut the fuck up plz < 1275083761 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What report is this? < 1275083778 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-106-123-171.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275083788 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi pikhq_ long time no see < 1275083795 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1275083795 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, forgot the details < 1275083799 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same etymological origin. < 1275083804 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Examples of cognates are English "gift" and German "gift". < 1275083807 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the English means "gift". The German means "poison". It apparently developed into "poison" out of a euphemism.) < 1275083813 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or "royal", "real", "regal", "raj", and a few other words. (we've got cognates for that from every single branch of Indoeuropean in the same language!) < 1275083820 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, and the journalist in question died a few years ago. So no chance of asking her. < 1275083857 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have cognates from the finnish "kuninkaallinen" < 1275083858 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1275083873 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right, kingy < 1275083885 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1275083889 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those aren't that close < 1275083898 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except i guess cognate isn't about that < 1275083904 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: "Close" doesn't necessarily mean "not cognate". < 1275083911 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Cow" and "bovine" are cognate. < 1275083916 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes this i realized before i even said what i said < 1275083917 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, hm? < 1275083919 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1275083934 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1275083934 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-err < 1275083936 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They were the same word in Proto-indoeuropean. < 1275083942 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, and what was that word < 1275083950 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems kind of hard to see a common part < 1275083962 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Lemme check. < 1275083981 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the finnish "lehm" is a pretty good gcd < 1275083994 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo < 1275084088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, gcd? as in greatest common divisor? < 1275084103 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cannot has checking. < 1275084143 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, eh? < 1275084143 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1275084152 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, there was just a few simple phoneme shifts into "cow" and "bov", and a bunch of odder shifts from there in English... < 1275084157 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1275084166 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"gcd", "inf", "meet" < 1275084206 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a very, very large number of cognates in English with a different English word, simply because we've got a lot of vocab from two major branches of Indoeuropean. < 1275084242 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : " His novels seem shallow to me: they're fancies in the land of irrelevancy; disconnected to any experience that we know because they take place in a hackneyed, fake universe." <<< the less a story has to do with life as we know it, the better it is < 1275084242 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we imagine a tree with words as vertices and children being new cognates of their father, and take the natural meets in this tree < 1275084248 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and the full list of cognates: "right, rich, raj, regalia, reign, royal, real". All cognate. < 1275084249 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dickens' stories do not happen in any even imaginable universe. < 1275084281 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"right" :D < 1275084286 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh also real < 1275084290 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok sweeties i'm back < 1275084295 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I feel like I haven't learned any math since 7th grade or so < 1275084297 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we should call them royal numbers < 1275084298 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you really not understand calculus? < 1275084303 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am reading your scrollback < 1275084320 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even I understand calculus < 1275084324 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't "understand" calculus < 1275084333 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I learned simple calculus concepts in 6th grade, started to gain some actual understanding in 7th < 1275084336 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to "see" it for yourself < 1275084337 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then I stagnated < 1275084362 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like saying you "understand" addition; which i guess is perfectly sensible. < 1275084365 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: f'(x) = lim h->0 (f(x+h) - f(x))/h < 1275084368 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably you understand that. < 1275084370 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Indeed. < 1275084377 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Calculus is a very simple concept, of course. < 1275084380 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1275084391 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, gah, we've also got cognates from Latin and French and from French and French. < 1275084402 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: What about cognates from ENGLISH < 1275084412 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:48:07 Can someone opinionated on this tell me what the difference between software and normal patents is? < 1275084416 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I learned everything I know from Calculus the Easy Way. Things like the quotient rule were not covered < 1275084417 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :normal patents are on mechanism < 1275084423 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :software patents are usually on abstract algorithms etc < 1275084426 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We went over it in class once, I completely forgot it by now < 1275084428 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the quotient rule again < 1275084428 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are expressly forbidden in normal patents < 1275084431 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I could easily redetermine it < 1275084432 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Define "from English". < 1275084434 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :derivative of f/g? < 1275084441 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's not many words native to the language. :D < 1275084442 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yeah < 1275084483 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Oooh, here's one. < 1275084484 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ultimately, it's just chain + multiplication + exponents(which is trivial) < 1275084504 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Shadow, shade, and shede" are all from Old English sceadu. < 1275084507 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the quotient rule is useless to memorize, you can just wp it, and once you learn differentials for functions : R^n -> R^m, you can just always deduce it in your head < 1275084508 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. Shed. < 1275084511 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't care much about the actual menial-labour side of finding derivatives. < 1275084527 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Knight" is one < 1275084535 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so in short < 1275084538 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: A shed is a shadowy shade. < 1275084546 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: What's knight cognate with? < 1275084558 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1275084565 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's native to English < 1275084572 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Yes, yes it is. < 1275084575 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 6th grade however, I didn't quite understand that 1/x = x^-1 < 1275084578 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow < 1275084579 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:36:40 Phantom_Hoover: software patents have a much longer timespan relative to the length of time the thing they implement remains useful for, than hardware patents < 1275084580 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:37:04 a 50-year-old internal combustion engine might be outmoded nowadays, but it's still potentially useful < 1275084580 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:37:11 50-year-old software is basically useless < 1275084580 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:37:27 so the idea of patents - to give people a limited monopoly in return for disclosing how the thing works - is subverted < 1275084581 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:37:42 especially as software patents tend not even to disclose how the things works nowadays < 1275084583 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:37:50 old inventions, the idea was you could reproduce the whole thing from the patent < 1275084583 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tldr: alise is assburgers and gets canned in for being an evil person who plots how to explode people's hearts by dividing big numbers in his head < 1275084585 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:38:15 many modern hardware patents have the same problem, tbh < 1275084587 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also this < 1275084590 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: presumably because they didn't explain that's just a definition < 1275084591 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i sum it up right alise < 1275084598 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This hindered my efforts to find an ideal solution to my class's "Star Lottery" < 1275084608 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: yes... except i'm not assburgers any more than anyone else in here is, and I'm useless at mental arithmetic < 1275084621 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried working it out in 7th grade, but when I tried to determine the equation that I needed to differentiate... it was 0 < 1275084630 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's mainly their ocd diagnosis they care about, neither ocd nor aspergers warrant being an inpatient though < 1275084638 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: tried working what out? < 1275084647 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a "star lottery" < 1275084651 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: that's what you think. in fact you are only a fractional-consciousness of a bigger, more evil mind < 1275084652 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The class's currency was stars < 1275084678 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every day or week, I forgot which, the students would put in a number of stars, to get a chance of winning all the stars put in < 1275084684 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: the one way out for you that i see is to become a t-girl, get a hormone therapy and implants, and sue anyone who treats you how you don't want 'em to < 1275084706 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: That's a brilliant solution! Or, maybe I will just move country. < 1275084712 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of moving towards cuntry. < 1275084719 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Being OCD warrants being a not-inpateint, in fact. :) < 1275084721 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xDDDDDDDDDDD < 1275084726 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, i moved out of the uk for good reason < 1275084727 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: awesome one < 1275084733 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: Where do you live now? < 1275084741 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: why thank you. Somehow I think you're being sarcastic :p < 1275084745 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a fucking depression there and there is absolutely no outlook for people who want to succeed < 1275084750 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently germany < 1275084754 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i don't know whether i am < 1275084761 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thinking a bit of china < 1275084767 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: Oh, not China. < 1275084772 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :China's probably a bad idea. < 1275084772 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have /some/ principles! < 1275084778 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my biggest hang-up is that i'm not that into asian women < 1275084790 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm probably destined for the EU. < 1275084795 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asian women are small and make squeaky noises when you fuck them < 1275084800 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Easy to migrate to, and, well, most of the nice countries are there. < 1275084804 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Considering some Nordic country. < 1275084805 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only problem with them is you can't see their genitals < 1275084805 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for Hong Kong; I could probably *manage* to live there. < 1275084807 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: yes, you should come to germany with me < 1275084812 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but usually you wouldn't anyway during sex < 1275084817 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: hahaha i love you < 1275084831 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Hahahah. < 1275084831 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: no, you guys like fraktur < 1275084844 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you know, mice are also small and make squeaky noises when you fuck them < 1275084847 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't see their genitals, either < 1275084851 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure you're not confusing the two? < 1275084870 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: germany is one of the few places in europe without a fucked up economy OR fucked up government < 1275084873 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Mice don't have pixelation bars over the genitals. < 1275084877 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: But me likey Nordic countries. < 1275084884 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: They do on my hard drive 8) < 1275084891 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: yeah but they aren't humans, humans make the best sex targets < 1275084892 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: :P < 1275084898 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: germany has a lot of nordic appeal to it < 1275084906 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without being extremely expensive < 1275084910 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: Besides, you're all Nazis. < 1275084916 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'we'? < 1275084917 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm polish < 1275084920 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True, Nordic countries are... on the pricey side. < 1275084923 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: Shut up. < 1275084925 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc5-sgyl29-2-0-cust220.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1275084934 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, oblig.: You left the UK? GOOD RIDDANCE < 1275084936 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, no u < 1275084944 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :u < 1275084945 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, no u < 1275084951 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :u < 1275084951 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: does germany have 100mbit interwebs < 1275084952 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, no u < 1275084953 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, u. < 1275084955 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :u < 1275084958 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, u. < 1275084960 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :u < 1275084963 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :u. < 1275084963 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :u < 1275084965 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1275084966 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :u... < 1275084966 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no u < 1275084968 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No "u"s. < 1275084969 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :u! < 1275084970 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: If you want 100mbit interwebs, avoid the hell out of the US. :) < 1275084973 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: okay < 1275084976 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no u < 1275084980 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I would do that anyway, sir. < 1275084986 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: no alise said no u < 1275084986 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: yes, it does < 1275084987 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about South Korea? < 1275084995 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :South Korea is nice. < 1275084995 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAIK they have good interwebs. < 1275085007 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you mean cheater99, never mind; if you mean me: I can't move out of the EU. < 1275085010 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it has the problem of being next to North Korea. < 1275085013 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or rather, I'm not going to. < 1275085015 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: So does Japan. < 1275085017 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Immigration is Hard. < 1275085023 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also heard us people think the sun revolves around the earth and that god exists < 1275085026 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though that has the problem of having lingering racism. < 1275085032 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :south korea... umm... hello south korea is in a war with north korea? < 1275085042 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: As is the US. < 1275085048 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who cares < 1275085055 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have been for all of my grandmother's life. < 1275085063 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :south korea would get mushroomed < 1275085078 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, no. < 1275085079 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: they're not de facto in a war < 1275085083 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only de jure :P < 1275085092 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :South Korea is at about as much risk as China. < 1275085095 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seoul would get hammered with artillery for a weak. < 1275085101 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/weak/week/ < 1275085105 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :North Korea fires at South: Seoul suffers... then North Korea disappears overnight. < 1275085111 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :North Korea would cease to support life. < 1275085122 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like spicy food but radioactive isotopes punching through a concrete wall, then my face and finally landing on my tongue is a bit too extreme < 1275085142 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: North Korea will not fire at South. < 1275085144 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: North Korea couldn't even get a nuke *beyond Pyongyang* if they tried, y'know. < 1275085149 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simple as that. < 1275085161 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Pyongyang being the capital of North Korea) < 1275085177 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they've got, what, 0 nukes ATM? < 1275085184 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y'all are underestimating human stupidity < 1275085194 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we talk more about derivatives or oriental vaginas? < 1275085198 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'all are overestimating North Korea's firepower. < 1275085203 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all this politics is going over my head < 1275085216 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fact: kim jong-il is not a total idiot < 1275085219 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They've got about a week's worth of artillery. < 1275085222 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, prevent every 2nd word is 'vagina' or 'asian' randomly < 1275085223 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's evil, yes; evil but smart. < 1275085226 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neural networks! < 1275085233 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He would not obliterate his plaything by firing weaponry at Seoul. < 1275085237 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: Prevent it! < 1275085248 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm fed up with all of this reading. < 1275085251 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only reason we don't just give them the finger is that they *could* make life suck for Seoul. < 1275085253 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : *pretend < 1275085305 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: Anyway, just go to Japan then :P < 1275085317 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kinda like MAD, except that one side will lose a city and the other side will lose the ability to live. < 1275085319 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know a bit of japanese < 1275085321 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiny bit < 1275085355 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know most hiragana and katakana and know the 'desu' form < 1275085362 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my accent is, like, perfect < 1275085372 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: do you mean i should not use those words as often as i do? < 1275085376 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I highly doubt that your accent is perfect. < 1275085392 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given that what you know is at most a few day's worth of learning. < 1275085402 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, no, i mean you should replace every second word in our polotics conversation with those words < 1275085407 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How's your pitch stress? < 1275085412 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1275085415 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you want vaginas instead of polotics < 1275085415 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/stress/accent/ < 1275085419 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: oh pretend < 1275085433 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: Polotics? < 1275085434 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yez < 1275085437 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yez < 1275085444 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: because you talked about polish people < 1275085454 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is biopic pronounced "by opick"? If not, it should be, < 1275085456 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*be. < 1275085459 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...No I didn't. < 1275085473 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: how else? < 1275085473 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Some stress differences, but basically. < 1275085476 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: Seriously, I *highly* doubt your accent is "perfect". :) < 1275085488 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good, so it's not "byoh pick". < 1275085493 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, it's as perfect as it can be < 1275085494 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: Well, it's bio-graphical pic-ture. < 1275085501 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, that's how I would say it. < 1275085502 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: Doubtful. < 1275085507 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Byoh-pick < 1275085510 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"By oppik" is nice; the how-you'd-think "Bio pick" is not. < 1275085516 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: See, I don't like that. < 1275085530 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't realise biopic was an abbreviation for "bio pic" at first, so I came to pronounce it as "by oppik". < 1275085540 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's "bio" and "pic" squished together. < 1275085540 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably don't even get "r" right. < 1275085541 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, you're comin through as a bad person again < 1275085560 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What accent? < 1275085564 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :English or what? < 1275085575 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: A "Japanese accent". He claims to have a perfect accent in Japanese. < 1275085586 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1275085589 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, having spent several years learning Japanese, doubt this. < 1275085597 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not polish < 1275085603 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, of cours.e < 1275085605 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the polish accent is very similar to japanese < 1275085614 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: Hahahahah... No. < 1275085615 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Japanese and Polish are closely related languages. < 1275085631 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I note that the main part of your seemingly-angry-speak is apparent egotism. < 1275085643 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: I am making this comment as an entirely-detached observer, not an antagonist.) < 1275085651 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Alas. < 1275085667 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I tend to be egotistical about subjects I know a lot about. < 1275085685 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a friend who is half-Japanese. < 1275085694 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, i think it's a projection-expectation motivated by low self-esteem which produces expectation of low value in other people < 1275085702 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: is it pikhq_? < 1275085712 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: Or, he could just be autistic. < 1275085713 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1275085734 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As autistic communication tends to have vastly less emotional content than is usual. < 1275085748 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either way, i was told i have a good accent by two different japanese teachers, one who was japanese, the other lived in japan for a couple decades or something like that < 1275085752 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's projection-expectation < 1275085769 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was asked the other day if i used to live in america < 1275085771 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: Care to record yourself speaking in Japanese for a bit? < 1275085771 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, i explained further in the same line < 1275085782 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, no microphone < 1275085794 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the guy who asked was a french guy so i guess that's doesn't say much :D < 1275085797 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I've noticed that Japanese teachers seem to set the bar absurdly low for foreign learners. < 1275085798 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*and*, more importantly, i don't care to continue a pointless argument with you < 1275085799 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Fancy form of "I know you are, but what am I?" < 1275085817 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and i was asked that because of my accent, i guess that's sort of important < 1275085817 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: I don't think pikhq_ is actually arguing... < 1275085818 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stuff like "Oh, you'll only ever learn a few hundred kanji, give up trying to do more". < 1275085819 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, maybe that's just projection < 1275085833 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: what is he doing then? < 1275085843 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: Strongly disagreeing. < 1275085855 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: oh okay < 1275085877 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite strongly. < 1275085878 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so did you mean "projection -- expectation ..." < 1275085892 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did you mean projection-expectation, and i'm still misunderstanding < 1275085894 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Projexpectation. < 1275085900 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i meant 'projection-expectation'. < 1275085906 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Projspectation. < 1275085918 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :projspecatcumshot < 1275085920 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prospectation. < 1275085929 0 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275085934 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proctation < 1275085942 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Protation. < 1275085944 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(seriously, though, "know the desu form"? Congrats, you've spent a couple minutes learning the language! YOU ARE WINNER) < 1275085945 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Potation. < 1275085948 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Potato. < 1275085970 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am showing irc to my grandmother < 1275085979 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a good idea. < 1275085980 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've learned about a hundred chinese kanji whatever they're called from just watching tv series with subtitles < 1275085989 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, Sgeo's grandmother! < 1275086017 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also know someone who once did Chinese. < 1275086023 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(desu is the copula. Japanese has a SOV sentence order. Subjects are followed by "wa" or "ga". CONGRATS, YOU, THE READER, KNOW THE DESU FORM!) < 1275086049 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Copula? < 1275086062 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Kanji, hanxi, hanja, chu nom, depending on the language. < 1275086073 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu < 1275086074 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: actually i'm not even 100% it's chinese < 1275086077 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1275086091 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Copulas in other languages are "is", "estas", "est"... < 1275086097 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i call it the language i decided to start learning from subtitles < 1275086100 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: What language? < 1275086113 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's this streaming place called tudou < 1275086116 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : and the longer you expose the ASIC wafer to the doping agent, the deeper the p-type or n-type region goes < 1275086121 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Doping agent" is officially the best name for weed ever. < 1275086134 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm exposing my thinking wafer to the doping agent... maaaan" < 1275086155 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i" is this weird x thing, plural is one of the few characters where density is distributed as |^| < 1275086157 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: hanja and chu nom no longer in use as normal orthographies.) < 1275086160 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:32:59 Oh, god, the Koreas are at it again. < 1275086162 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, it started again? < 1275086166 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure you can deduce it from that < 1275086184 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: No newspapers in the unit? < 1275086198 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: South Korea has accused Chosen of an act of war. < 1275086200 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: No. I could watch the news, I guess, if I went to my room and fought with the tiny television. < 1275086206 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't much see the point, though. < 1275086213 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Because? < 1275086213 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chosen is responding by preparing for war. < 1275086225 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :newspapers can be dangerous for your weak mind < 1275086227 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chosen torpedoed a South Korean vessel. < 1275086273 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: So, you made me google Chosen. < 1275086278 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Howsabout we call it North Korea? < 1275086287 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll settle for Corea if you're gonna be That Guy :P < 1275086298 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"but weekday mom, what is all this violence doing in the world :(" < 1275086310 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol weekday mom < 1275086316 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :best i could do < 1275086325 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the interchangability of staff as the shifts wade in and out is actually quite unnerving < 1275086329 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people just disappear and appear. < 1275086338 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise < 1275086345 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's something i never understood in britain < 1275086349 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you never see kids < 1275086350 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVER < 1275086354 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where are they < 1275086355 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define kids. < 1275086359 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see teenagers an awful lot. < 1275086365 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :persons of age under 17 < 1275086367 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: They're too busy knifing each other. < 1275086369 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...But... children... huh, you are right. < 1275086371 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, you're a kid yourself < 1275086376 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1275086377 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: you have to look down, they're small hahaha < 1275086377 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's our overprotective culture. < 1275086382 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: I know that much. < 1275086384 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, aww < 1275086384 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1275086385 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1275086393 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm small and light! < 1275086395 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: ok, so let's say a 12 year old < 1275086396 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, they're never allowed out in case of paedophiles. < 1275086397 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :39 kilos or thereabouts < 1275086397 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Sorry, that's the Japanese coming through. < 1275086405 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: this < 1275086408 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they get woken up and stay at home until 8 then go to school yes? < 1275086410 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never seen alise q.e.d. < 1275086416 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then they're at school until say 4 pm < 1275086418 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's next? < 1275086422 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens? < 1275086425 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: PRAYSTATION TREE < 1275086444 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never go outside either. < 1275086450 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: It's normally shortened as 韓国 for South Korea and 朝鮮 for North Korea. < 1275086457 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Korea" and "Chosen", translated) < 1275086464 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean prayushtashyonu tri < 1275086472 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the North, Kijong-dong features a number of brightly painted, poured-concrete multi-story buildings and apartments with electric lighting. These features represented an unheard of level of luxury for rural Koreans, north or south, in the 1950s. The town was oriented so that the bright blue roofs and white sides of the buildings would be the most distinguishing features when viewed from the border. However scrutiny with modern telescopic lenses reveals tha < 1275086473 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there unfortunately tend to be other youths outside whenever I doo. < 1275086473 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t the buildings are mere concrete shells lacking window glass or even interior rooms[17][18], with the building lights turned on and off at set times and the empty sidewalks swept by a skeleton crew of caretakers in an effort to preserve the illusion of activity.[19] < 1275086474 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow < 1275086520 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol wtf is that? < 1275086520 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow indeed. < 1275086524 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahah < 1275086534 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: it's in the demilitarised zone < 1275086536 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like that movie with jim carrey < 1275086543 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where he's in a big tv set < 1275086549 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi how are you < 1275086549 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :south korea has one too although people are actually there < 1275086552 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: truman show < 1275086554 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah lol < 1275086556 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1275086557 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1275086559 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like they're trying to convince each other < 1275086567 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was my grandmother typing < 1275086569 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I know we've agreed not to kill each other here... but my dick is way bigger than yours." < 1275086576 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1: I hope your grandmother doesn't see that. < 1275086577 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is all < 1275086579 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1, tits or gtfo < 1275086587 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1275086600 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was wondering why that didn't happen the first time Sgeo_ mentioned what was happening < 1275086608 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1: have you never been to irc? < 1275086610 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't notice < 1275086634 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The official position of the North Korean government is that the village contains a 200-family collective farm, serviced by a childcare center, kindergarten, primary and secondary schools, and a hospital.[10] However, observation from the south suggests that the town is actually an uninhabited Potemkin village built at great expense in the 1950s in a propaganda effort to encourage South Korean defection and to house the PRK soldiers manning the extensive net < 1275086634 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :work of artillery positions, fortifications and underground marshalling bunkers that abut the border zone.[3][4][11][12] Though no visitors are allowed, it is the only settlement in North Korea within direct eye- and earshot of the Korean DMZ, and by extension, the West. < 1275086636 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you asking me or her? < 1275086648 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so anyways < 1275086657 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the german eurovision contestant actually sings well < 1275086658 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is hot < 1275086664 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i would shag her < 1275086672 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :she's still loli enough for me < 1275086676 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :german women aren't hot, they're engineered superhumans. < 1275086686 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1: well i guess i was assuming you didn't want your grandma to see anything dirty, i'm not sure why. < 1275086688 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try Sine < 1275086690 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :she's very well engineered indeed < 1275086697 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1: Your grandmother is presumably having an apoplectic fit by now. < 1275086700 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: are you british english, or are you from an immigrant family? < 1275086710 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oklopol, she can barely see the screen < 1275086744 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :British. < 1275086747 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :She's not reading any of this, I'm reading for her < 1275086749 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm about as native as they come. < 1275086759 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: who's loli now < 1275086769 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, german eurovision girl < 1275086791 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lena_Meyer-Landrut < 1275086792 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i looked it up < 1275086793 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If Sgeo's grandmother knows what loli is I'm more than a little disturbed. < 1275086802 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: are you like, the kind of british person who wouldn't look out of place spectating polo or tennis or in a gentlemen's club? < 1275086804 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAH! < 1275086807 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, she want to eat now. I'm saying bye on her behalf < 1275086814 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: Um. I'm 14. < 1275086823 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: yeah, but i mean when you grow up < 1275086824 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and are 30 < 1275086825 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I look very female though :P < 1275086829 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1, BYE!!! COME BACK SOON < 1275086835 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you wear ridiculous dresses? < 1275086836 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: EAT COCKS < 1275086842 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lise: tht's not what i'm asking about < 1275086846 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: No, I just have long hair and a relatively ambiguous face. < 1275086846 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise* < 1275086856 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Tht < 1275086862 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Always capitalise the first letter of sentences < 1275086863 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: i wouldn't say she's very loli < 1275086868 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Wear a fake beard. < 1275086871 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, would you make a good t-girl < 1275086872 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1275086879 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, she's got a small build < 1275086887 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: You just want me to grow breasts, don't you. < 1275086890 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a moustache. < 1275086897 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, you should see her in 'live' broadcasts < 1275086900 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: yes < 1275086907 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, you could have a ridiculous handlebar. < 1275086907 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha I thought by she you meant me < 1275086913 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i want you to be a magnificent being < 1275086921 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND SIDEBURNS/ < 1275086922 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: yes probably < 1275086923 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Creepy level rising. < 1275086936 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've seen alise in live broadcasts < 1275086939 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan! fizzie! lament! < 1275086943 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least ones recorded just for me < 1275086947 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is even better < 1275086950 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: you should totally get on stickam < 1275086969 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was not for masturbation purposes, it was about music < 1275086970 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no you haven't :P < 1275086975 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh umm < 1275086975 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think < 1275086977 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't recall < 1275086979 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sort of music? < 1275086982 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i think i have < 1275086987 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: It was me demonstrating my inability to play the theremin < 1275086993 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :partly < 1275086995 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I am not going on webcam. < 1275086998 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a theremin? < 1275087000 0 :bsmntbombdood_!~gavin@174-16-213-108.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275087000 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clothed or otherwise. < 1275087002 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes. < 1275087007 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to play one. < 1275087012 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With my cat. < 1275087016 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It's hard. You won't be able to do it. < 1275087019 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm gonna play one when i go visit alise < 1275087020 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1275087023 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm gonna own at it < 1275087024 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or indeed to put my cat on it. < 1275087027 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, the key is to maintain relative pitch.. you can't maintain absolute pitch on it < 1275087028 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I told her that there are some people who, upon seeing that someone brought their grandmother to IRC, would say dirty things just to be mean, she said she didn't want to talk to that sort of person < 1275087029 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I thought I was visiting you < 1275087031 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise is gonna go like WTF DUDE < 1275087032 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1275087034 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well bring it < 1275087038 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: lollll < 1275087044 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ok < 1275087054 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION heads for alise's location with a giant magnet < 1275087056 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But no, she only knows what I told her of chat, which is very, very, little < 1275087078 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So she didn't hear anything of lolis, or Tits or GTFO, or any such thing < 1275087085 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what!! < 1275087089 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Until 2004, massive loudspeakers mounted on several of the buildings continuously delivered DPRK propaganda broadcasts directed towards the south as well as propaganda radio broadcasts across the border.[17] In May 2010, due to the sinking of the ROKS Cheonan, South Korea resumed broadcasting news, western music and programmes comparing the political and economic situations on the two parts of the peninsula.[20] < 1275087091 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Theremins? < 1275087092 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't say lolis to be mean < 1275087098 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i said tits or gtfo to be nice < 1275087106 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: lol < 1275087107 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with you man :< < 1275087122 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" alise, the key is to maintain relative pitch.. you can't maintain absolute pitch on it" kinda like you can't sing in absolute pitch < 1275087147 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can sing in absolute pitch *sometimes* < 1275087155 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if there are good IRC channels for seniors < 1275087163 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1275087163 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not on Freenode. < 1275087166 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a list on lemonparty.org < 1275087168 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for this your voice and/or hearing have to be imperfect in very specific ways < 1275087170 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1275087176 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irc.lemonparty.org < 1275087206 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: my point was (you'd know if you'd read my mind) that that's not helpful to alise in any way < 1275087209 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i don't remember the irc server's domain.. check lemonparty.org for their list of ervers or something < 1275087222 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, that totally didn't come through < 1275087231 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i didn't say anything related to it < 1275087239 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. you haven't. < 1275087259 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have my own ways of communicating and people seem to love them < 1275087270 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason I'm flattered that cheater99 thinks i should grow breasts < 1275087274 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think that actually makes any sense < 1275087280 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awww lena is so cute < 1275087285 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's lena < 1275087291 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it happened to Turing... < 1275087301 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i herd turing was a homo < 1275087302 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really bad taste, that. < 1275087309 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that neurovision girl from germany < 1275087313 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lena is presumably that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lena_Meyer-Landrut girl again < 1275087315 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel sullied having said it. < 1275087326 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1275087329 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1275087332 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't read the name < 1275087334 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1275087339 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :turing was the first trans-sexual in computing! < 1275087349 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You fail at stuff. < 1275087355 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the first snow white < 1275087358 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i heard something like he was a gay homosexual < 1275087360 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He was chemically castrated. < 1275087368 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're filling big shoes alise < 1275087370 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read a book about him < 1275087374 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a kid < 1275087387 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no he wasn't castrated he was given estrogen < 1275087395 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which made him grow breasts < 1275087400 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := trans < 1275087400 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99 speaks truth. < 1275087403 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chemically castrated. < 1275087411 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: is it really trans/gender/ if he was male, though? < 1275087415 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :transsexual, yes. < 1275087417 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :transgender no < 1275087428 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i said trans-sexual < 1275087437 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trans-gender means post-op i think < 1275087441 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i might be wrong < 1275087451 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1275087452 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1275087457 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Turing was given a choice between imprisonment or probation conditional on his agreement to undergo hormonal treatment designed to reduce libido. He accepted chemical castration via oestrogen hormone injections.[41]" < 1275087461 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe turing was actually transhuman, and would've outgrown any human sex or gender eventually? < 1275087465 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :transgender -- gender identity; i.e. "you" in your mind; transsexual -- genitals < 1275087474 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Not* transsexual. < 1275087475 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually transgendered people have a goal to become transsexuals. < 1275087484 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor transgendered, in fact. < 1275087485 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: estrogen, though. < 1275087487 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he grew boobs. < 1275087489 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the same. < 1275087492 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :QED. < 1275087494 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he grew tits < 1275087500 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not transsexual. < 1275087501 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q FUCKING E D < 1275087511 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover is trolling < 1275087512 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!op < 1275087518 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Secondary sexual characteristics != transsexual. < 1275087520 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean he was pretty awesome, much of the stuff neumann is world-famous for was done by turing as well, and iirc turing has some sort of machines named after him too < 1275087528 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then hermaphrodite < 1275087529 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :twice the fun < 1275087537 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO! < 1275087539 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean von neumann? < 1275087539 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(probably some sort of gay sex machines but it's still pretty cool) < 1275087543 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1275087552 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you mean neumann the guy who came up with microphones < 1275087552 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1275087558 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i'd probably go for an hermaphroditing operation, that would be cool < 1275087575 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waits for someone to check if that's even consistent timelinewise < 1275087581 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really trust my memory < 1275087584 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've seen some post-op porn < 1275087586 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't hot < 1275087600 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1275087603 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look, Turing had oestrogen. This caused him to be chemically castrated (i.e. making him infertile and reducing his libido) < 1275087610 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: www.buckangel.com < 1275087610 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but post-op gets rid of your penis < 1275087613 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It did *not* make him female. < 1275087613 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and gives you a bad vagina < 1275087628 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hermaphroditation would keep the peen < 1275087632 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no loss, you see < 1275087640 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the vagina is still bad < 1275087650 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: why do you want this to be looked at, it's irrelevant < 1275087661 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: ffff why did you link me to that < 1275087667 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pedantry. < 1275087668 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: who said, i'm describing a magical operation < 1275087673 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's always relevant < 1275087679 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody's thought of how to do it yet, therefore i declare that it produces a perfectly fine vagina < 1275087690 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: so you know what you're gettin' in2 < 1275087717 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: I never said I would get into it < 1275087725 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I jokingly said I would hypothetically get into a hypothetical operation < 1275087730 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : actually i'd probably go for an hermaphroditing operation, that would be cool < 1275087739 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*actually* is the opposite of *hypothetically* < 1275087756 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not when the operation itself is hypothetical. < 1275087756 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shut up* is the opposite of *don't shut up* < 1275087762 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I said < 1275087764 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"actually, I'd ..." < 1275087767 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you fix the punctuation < 1275087771 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this instance actually means < 1275087775 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"contrary to what I previously said, ..." < 1275087783 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who wouldn't be hermaphrodited, you'd get to do all kinds of stuff < 1275087811 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel it necessary at this point to mention the Culture. < 1275087822 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to read the Culture books sometime. < 1275087824 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's the culture? < 1275087831 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh books < 1275087841 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: DO IT. < 1275087855 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless books aren't allowed into the unit. < 1275087880 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Start on The Player Of Games) < 1275087891 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Consider Phlebas is just confusing) < 1275087903 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: you're trying to talk yourself out of what you are < 1275087903 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1275087920 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean < 1275087947 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: go and pioneer the hermaphroditing operation then < 1275087952 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll be 43rd in line < 1275087966 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok but first you have to jack off to that: http://buckangelentertainment.com/promo/muscleman.jpg < 1275087967 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first 42? < 1275087981 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I will start at the beginning and continue on until I reach the end, and then stop. < 1275087993 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: no < 1275087999 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well it might go wrong < 1275088006 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on < 1275088016 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't be a fun spoiler < 1275088026 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sort of doubting that you're not kidding now :P < 1275088032 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: you don't see the pussy that well < 1275088052 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's art < 1275088053 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, http://buckangelentertainment.com/promo/laidback.jpg < 1275088066 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :witness the magnificence < 1275088078 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :much better < 1275088098 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Anyway, I'm delaying reading too many books 'til I'm out of the unit. < 1275088104 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a clear enough mind to fully enjoy them. < 1275088106 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, how old are you? < 1275088111 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: he's 21 or sth < 1275088116 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's always been this fun < 1275088118 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah or sth < 1275088119 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow that was quick < 1275088124 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, 21.. < 1275088127 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or sth < 1275088128 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not loli enough anymore ;[ < 1275088140 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure he still looks loli < 1275088143 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although is it loli when it's male < 1275088145 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it is sir < 1275088175 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait was cheater99 gay < 1275088189 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you considered "bi" < 1275088198 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who what < 1275088199 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just plain "pedo" :p < 1275088200 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1275088205 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have not < 1275088215 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you people must be talking about someone else < 1275088249 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" not loli enough anymore ;[" <<< i understood this as you being sad about not being able to get a boner off me anymore < 1275088249 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok is the movie 'anatomy' cool < 1275088254 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's a german movie < 1275088255 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i'm too old < 1275088256 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't know < 1275088258 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore gay pedo < 1275088267 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they start off by showing a naked woman < 1275088275 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: i use sven s porst to get all my german opinions < 1275088288 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is sven s porst < 1275088293 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's this guy http://earthlingsoft.net/ssp/blog/ < 1275088329 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That reminds me of Quarter Life... < 1275088427 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: it's rude not to answer and not to say you're not gonna < 1275088436 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275088440 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ok, why? < 1275088453 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, as in, why are you reading that blog in the first place < 1275088465 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: because he used to be a nice ranty guy when i used os x and was sufficiently OCD about tiny things that apple fucked up... so i just started reading his blog < 1275088485 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :need: "german guy who has opinions": satisfied < 1275088499 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did you have that need < 1275088499 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have an opinion < 1275088511 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you need finnish guy who has an opinion < 1275088514 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: well you just asked me an opinion on a german thing < 1275088514 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... < 1275088516 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yes < 1275088522 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what is your opinion < 1275088522 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nnnnice. < 1275088525 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on what? < 1275088560 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you said you had an opinion < 1275088560 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it < 1275088564 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: yes, but i think you said you had that need before you started habitually reading his blog < 1275088566 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1275088570 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that it's a good thing < 1275088583 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what is it < 1275088586 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: nope < 1275088590 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: What is your opinion of oranges. < 1275088599 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat den < 1275088607 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't particularly care for oranges, because they are hard to eat < 1275088617 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1275088626 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oranges are just a bit meh. < 1275088627 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1275088633 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this guy woke up on an operation table < 1275088642 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nd they're cutting out his guts < 1275088644 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha nice < 1275088647 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not a lol thing < 1275088651 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275088658 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a HOLY MOTHER OF FUCK PAIN PAIN PAIN PAIN thing < 1275088664 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: no it's a lol thing < 1275088670 0 :Rugxulo!~Rugxulo@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275088674 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh rofl < 1275088681 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would you feel if I told you that that happened to me? < 1275088684 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow this is fucking amazingly terrible < 1275088687 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: gahahaha. < 1275088690 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you guys need to watch this movie < 1275088691 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my opinion food should be eatable without any complications, i tolerate a few minutes of preparatory work per serving, but oranges need concentration during the whole eating process, because they spill their spillings everywhere and shit < 1275088695 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: It didn't happen to me) < 1275088719 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i spill my spillings everywhere and shit LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO < 1275088722 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahem < 1275088728 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he looks at his hand < 1275088731 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and his fore-arm is like < 1275088739 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: if it happened to you it would not be funny, if it happened to someone i don't know, it's pretty funny. < 1275088740 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :half-stripped of flesh in random places < 1275088757 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what movie? < 1275088757 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks fairly silly but it's believable in the moment < 1275088788 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :caring about people you don't know is against human nature and makes everyone sad < 1275088806 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'anatomie' < 1275088810 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 'anatomy' in english < 1275088827 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about people known by people I know? < 1275088841 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: ah, interesting < 1275088843 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get five degrees < 1275088846 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let us think about this < 1275088846 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :six includes everyone < 1275088849 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so five is the max < 1275088857 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :five degrees of kevin bacon < 1275088866 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :six degrees of paul erdos < 1275088876 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eight degrees of bill gates < 1275088895 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one degree of hivemind < 1275088900 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1275088903 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1275088909 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it would be zero degrees < 1275088915 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what degrees < 1275088921 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_ < 1275088921 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kelvin < 1275088924 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what shocked me < 1275088929 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, ^ < 1275088930 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the '1' < 1275088935 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :: i think you should pretend to care about them when interacting with people who know them < 1275088941 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the humane thing to do < 1275088951 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, who was that directed to? < 1275088956 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that if oklopol were ever to come into control of the world, we would all be fucked. < 1275088962 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm not even sure which sense of the word I mean. < 1275088968 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, XD < 1275088983 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: DOG FOOD FOR EVERYONE < 1275088985 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i would be a great dictator just because they say dictators always go mad with power and kill everyone < 1275089007 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, aww, no soylent green? < 1275089010 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sort of reverse psychology works well on me < 1275089022 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i would really hate it if you said "quack" right now < 1275089037 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that kind does not < 1275089047 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's well known that oklopols do not say "quack". < 1275089048 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever < 1275089060 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, I suggest you say "tweet" right here < 1275089062 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1275089064 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's better already < 1275089066 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tweet < 1275089070 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1275089076 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better than quack anyway < 1275089087 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"tweet" right here boy ;P < 1275089089 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;;;;P < 1275089093 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1275089110 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :be less stupid alise you sound like a 14-yo kid < 1275089122 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want pizza but to get it i would have to make it < 1275089130 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would mean microwave < 1275089135 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't cae sentence < 1275089147 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what yes < 1275089148 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just call up a pizza delivery place and give them moneys < 1275089156 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't have clothes on < 1275089166 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i don't want to put any one until i absolutely have to < 1275089171 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*on < 1275089178 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who said you have to < 1275089197 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't want to be creepy < 1275089212 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: that, my dear friend, you have already failed at. < 1275089213 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? really? < 1275089254 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :put the money through the mail slot, they'll leave it at the door, get it when they leave < 1275089254 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm considered hivemind? < 1275089288 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: that sounds like a really complicated social procedure < 1275089299 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hello pizza bad english man here" < 1275089312 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you could use your internet-connected pizza dispenser < 1275089314 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in other ways too < 1275089316 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be plugged into your computer < 1275089321 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish i had one of those < 1275089323 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go to pizza:/// to browse the available pizza options for that device < 1275089328 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you mean my gf < 1275089330 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you will receive your free internet pizza < 1275089343 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: haha that works < 1275089382 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you mean http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizza_box_form_factor ? < 1275089394 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually it's the other way around, she's pretty lazy < 1275089399 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, AnMaster lives < 1275089407 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yawn* < 1275089407 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nedroid.com/comics/2010-01-01-beartato-newyearnewchanges.gif < 1275089414 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo, try go on at times I'm more awake < 1275089415 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dumb question, but do you get out for summer break over there? < 1275089419 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Free internet pizza. < 1275089424 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: partially, I presume. < 1275089425 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo, what? < 1275089431 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :school < 1275089431 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: unit, presumably. < 1275089449 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh summer break starts in about 1-2 weeks or such < 1275089459 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ends sometime in August < 1275089463 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is Rugxulo swedish < 1275089464 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, all I wanted to say the other day was that Erlang seems a bit strange for Befunge-98 < 1275089467 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1275089467 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, no < 1275089470 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :American < 1275089476 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1275089479 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not me then :P < 1275089489 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some (most?) schools over here just started break < 1275089503 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: are you really embarrassed < 1275089509 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, last dead line is June 11. for a lab report < 1275089518 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: oh, and Rexx supports bignums out-of-the-box, but it may not be what you want < 1275089522 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1275089523 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some exams on monday and uh thursday iirc < 1275089525 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no < 1275089532 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo, rexx? < 1275089538 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, remember I mentioned it before? < 1275089547 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo, yeah but I don't remember what it was < 1275089550 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I remember the name < 1275089562 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: good to know < 1275089563 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :popular scripting language for OS/2 and Amiga and IBM mainframes < 1275089575 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo, none of those platforms are relevant to me < 1275089580 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1275089595 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also been ported to most other platforms (see Regina or BRexx for Linux) < 1275089598 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo, now, if plan9 had been in the list it might have been different. < 1275089602 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1275089621 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember? I mentioned ooREXX, which you didn't seem too impressed with ;-) < 1275089623 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go write befunge98 in it yourself :) < 1275089637 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't want or need to (and already wrote B93, which was easy) < 1275089664 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo, apart from smalltalk and (to some degree) objc, there are few languages which are doing OOP the "right way" IMO < 1275089676 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the other advantage of REXX is easy to learn, no reserved keywords, good string handling, etc. < 1275089678 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOP the right way: "Nothing whatsoever" < 1275089688 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOP is a big buzzword for most things these days < 1275089694 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well, relatively speaking. Also I thought you liked smalltalk? < 1275089695 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost all languages have it < 1275089703 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all hyped languages, anyways < 1275089707 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smalltalk is not "OOP" at all really. < 1275089716 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet it inspired Objective-C < 1275089737 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well, maybe, depends on exact definition of OOP < 1275089754 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask Alan Kay if you don't believe me :) < 1275089760 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, who? < 1275089768 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?! < 1275089777 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only the most important person in the history of personal computing. < 1275089787 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bill Gates? ;-) j/k < 1275089787 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I invoke ais523 on you < 1275089793 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Invented the portable computer -- Dynabook; invented Smalltalk; major guy at Xerox PARC... < 1275089796 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo, Linus Torvalds! < 1275089800 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, seriously; ais523 knows who Alan Kay is. < 1275089803 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about Douglas Engbart (sp?) ? < 1275089814 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: Yes, him too. < 1275089820 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RMS invented teh GNU, he pwns Lin00z! < 1275089823 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But seriously... anyone who doesn't know Kay should not be in computing. < 1275089825 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sarcasm) < 1275089832 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait. Theo de Raadt! < 1275089835 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION runs < 1275089853 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and don't forget Andy Tannenbaum, Kernighan and Ritchie, Wirth, etc. etc. < 1275089877 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I suck at remembering names. Had to google openbsd to check the name of the guy (Theo de Raadt that is) < 1275089885 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fabrice Bellard probably counts too ;-) < 1275089898 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Actually I made up the term "object-oriented", and I can tell you I did not have C++ in mind. ...Or Smalltalk." --Alan Kay < 1275089902 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(inventor of Smalltalk) < 1275089921 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ borrowed from Simula < 1275089926 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or so I heard < 1275089933 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt anyone could have C++ in mind when discussing anything vaguely related to good design. < 1275089938 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, heh < 1275089956 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_++ < 1275089956 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, Kay is a genius and even his recent work at VPRI is great. < 1275089961 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :pikhq < 1275089965 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ is perfect! (five years later) no, now it's perfect! (five years later) okay, seriously, now it's perfect < 1275089969 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(pun intended) < 1275089982 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo, it never was and never will be < 1275090009 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: Even a *simple* change would make using it less like getting kicked in the crotch: garbage collection. < 1275090016 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, why does every language get extended into OOP? < 1275090024 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: hype. < 1275090036 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"object-oriented programming is the roman numerals of computing" --Rob Pike. < 1275090043 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(still annoying, but god... *Manual memory management* with all that going on.) < 1275090053 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo, no. Erlang doesn't have OOP. < 1275090088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there is a HUGE resistance to it amongst the core devs. < 1275090093 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erlang++ < 1275090108 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every other language seems to tack it on < 1275090110 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: Haskell allows for abstract datatypes which can contain functions that can close over the value of that abstract datatype. < 1275090127 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, do you know why erlang doesn't JIT btw? Because it makes the (soft) realtime properties harder to predict < 1275090132 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus, it allows for OOP by accident. :P < 1275090143 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soft and welcoming. < 1275090152 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i turned you into a haskell zealot < 1275090152 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1275090153 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gives Erlang an Exlax so it can JIT properly < 1275090154 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cute < 1275090159 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuu: btw you are familiar with thue right? < 1275090162 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: no mutation, thus making "OOP" not useful.) < 1275090163 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3 < 1275090171 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo, exlax? < 1275090176 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :laxative < 1275090184 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get the joke still < 1275090194 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :poop inducer < 1275090197 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless... no it can't be that bad < 1275090203 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: :P < 1275090204 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo, yes I know what a laxative is < 1275090205 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JIT as in rhyming with sh*t < 1275090217 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo, okay even worse than I thought < 1275090218 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has to explain his horribly corny joke, ugh, sounds worse than it was < 1275090219 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: You seem to not grok what a JIT does. < 1275090220 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shame on you < 1275090226 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Wait. < 1275090229 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Terrible pun. < 1275090235 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You seem to make terrible puns. < 1275090236 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I thought it was a pun on "shit just in time or such" < 1275090239 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this is worse < 1275090241 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :much worse < 1275090246 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I admit, my humor is lame < 1275090254 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo, worse than mine in fact < 1275090257 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is quite a feat < 1275090301 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that was horribly bad < 1275090307 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shame on you < 1275090327 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes i like to poop out these horribly bad jokes just because i can < 1275090330 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quack, tweet, ... < 1275090342 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, here's some demonstration of elliottcable faggotry < 1275090347 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[/* I wrote Hello, world! for whatever mad, mad genius wrote this version of Brainfuck: http://pastie.org/private/siw6uoan1cd6shuao7r8hw */]] < 1275090360 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mad, mad genius for OMG REASSIGNING SOME OF THE BRAINFUCK COMMANDS TO BE SIMILAR LOOKING SYMBOLS < 1275090366 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ``unicode quotes'' < 1275090404 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get that at all < 1275090421 0 :gm|lap!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1275090424 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can the parens be un matched like that < 1275090444 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :itz wacky < 1275090447 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, I think it is two columns? < 1275090452 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1275090455 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of those is one instruction < 1275090459 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHAHA EVIL GENIUSDF sdoijghk hAHAhasf < 1275090465 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, one of the is C! < 1275090467 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i see the program? < 1275090479 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it too scary < 1275090486 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Ayttm logging off < 1275090491 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, so yes I think it is two columns, one weird, and one C < 1275090493 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, elliottcable calls **s "metapointers". < 1275090504 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gist.github.com/402586 < 1275090509 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, would ***s be hyperpointers then? < 1275090510 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the name of the language is "bewbs" < 1275090513 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha ha ha ha ha ha ha < 1275090528 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gist.github.com/290108 you make me want to murder your person < 1275090533 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, superpointers, ****s would be hyperpointer < 1275090536 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gist.github.com/raw/295344/fbf2ac6ab9e5df7414a126d8f98272ee745d0fcd/gistfile1.txt <-- ITT: irritating retard < 1275090547 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(elliottcable that is) < 1275090551 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also he's a republican < 1275090553 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in alaska < 1275090558 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.E.: he likes sarah palin < 1275090586 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1275090589 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, he was part of the overnight Let's Fuck Up IRCNomic with Stupid Rules that Only Further the Game's Demise, then Say "lol" About It brigade < 1275090596 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I am saying is: if he returns here... < 1275090601 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's tell him to fuck off < 1275090608 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :up to youy < 1275090610 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you* < 1275090621 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm absent 5/7 weekdays. < 1275090623 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I don't remember that < 1275090633 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: i was the only one who read the logs < 1275090640 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and fixed shit < 1275090651 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do the logs still exist anywhere? < 1275090658 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, iirc, I sold my soul to you < 1275090700 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think metapointer might be okay terminology in some contexts < 1275090708 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: he just made it up to sound faggy there though < 1275090712 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and to cover up the fact that he doesn't know C < 1275090718 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also note that he painstakingly uses unicode ellipses < 1275090722 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where three .s would do < 1275090729 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1275090738 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< clusty> what does dmesg have to say abut it? < 1275090738 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-!- You're now known as dmesg < 1275090738 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< dmesg> nothing. < 1275090738 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-!- You're now known as elliottcable < 1275090739 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--his BLAG < 1275090742 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha ha HAHAHAHAHAhahash < 1275090745 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's fucking hilarious. < 1275090753 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that was horrible, that's like non-monospaced^7 when you take ... and squeeze it in one letter < 1275090770 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://elliottcable.tumblr.com/post/614173094/http-elliottcable-tumblr-com-post-389548350-terna half the posts on his blog are just himself being fucktarded < 1275090793 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, are you obsessed with this guy or? < 1275090802 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well of course, they have the same name < 1275090803 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, no < 1275090809 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just he was a huge fucking retard & asshole to me a while back < 1275090810 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is very curious about what alise says behind my back < 1275090815 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I decided to dredge up everything about him I could < 1275090825 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to admire how idiotic he was < 1275090837 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also all of this is very easy to find in like a few clicks and i don't have anything else to do < 1275090839 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: not much. < 1275090868 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://elliottcable.tumblr.com/post/597606519/we-want-to-fly-the-plane-say-snakes-but <<< xD < 1275090870 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i lol'd < 1275090902 0 :Rugxulo!~user@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275090927 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's going on bitches < 1275090953 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, your mother is a bitch. < 1275090955 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not much < 1275090979 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, why does Pandora have my RL name? < 1275090980 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1275090981 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slightly warm pre-summer weather < 1275090994 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a conspiracy, Sgeo. < 1275091005 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: I don't know Seth Gold < 1275091009 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, i didn't get the one about plane/tail < 1275091011 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does Pandora have Seth Gold's real name? < 1275091012 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :explain it to me < 1275091037 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have my FB picture < 1275091045 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who, Pandora? < 1275091051 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: i don't get it either < 1275091057 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember signing onto FB from my normal Pandora account < 1275091061 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might have signed in once < 1275091063 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, ok < 1275091064 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was just such an absurd reference < 1275091064 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Facebook lets you share some info with other domains now < 1275091074 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like it tracked the fact that I signed on from normal, and FB, from the same computer < 1275091077 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably got lost amongst all their privacy changes < 1275091078 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, WELCOME TO THE MATRIX < 1275091078 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now has connected them < 1275091079 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea what he was going for < 1275091086 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but funny < 1275091100 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, don't worry about it until it bites you (which is probably never) < 1275091114 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1275091117 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dirty harry 3 is on < 1275091133 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you feel lucky, punk? < 1275091140 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you? < 1275091148 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGAkpRncNbQ < 1275091153 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION counts the shots ... nope, not lucky enough < 1275091161 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, time for some more gvim-time < 1275091166 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very much like sexytime < 1275091168 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's vim time < 1275091179 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i don't know why i typed the 'g' there, gvim needs to get out of my head < 1275091198 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because everything must be graphical or OOP (or preferably both), you will be assimilated!