< 1275957358 0 :jabb_work!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1275957664 0 :relet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1275957704 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1275960478 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here used wu.js ? < 1275961652 0 :Luyt!~Luyt@gandhi.xs4all.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1275961742 0 :Luyt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoah, I didn't know that there were *that* much esoteric languages! < 1275961756 0 :Luyt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks at http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/Language_list < 1275961852 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well anyone can make one :) < 1275961913 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh some make dozens (i'm looking at you zzo38) < 1275961953 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or i would, if he were in a channel at the moment < 1275961966 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the channel < 1275962035 0 :Luyt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it'd require a certain mindset to create a new language, even if it's outrageous. < 1275962065 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose i should mention Chris Pressey as well, he was here just a couple hours ago < 1275962114 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the inventor of befunge, one of the most famous ones. he's rarely here.) < 1275962147 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you have to be a geek by definition < 1275962222 0 :Luyt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a stochastic chance description notation I once wrote for a random music generation program would qualify too, as a language? < 1275962239 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1275962251 0 :Luyt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'd classify that more as a DSL < 1275962255 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a number of people here doing music things < 1275962270 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although not always at the same time as esolanging < 1275962314 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Luyt: take a look at Fugue (iirc) < 1275962324 0 :Luyt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : > would mean octave up, + a semitone up, ? a new random note within the current scale context, = the same note again, a pause, etc.... very obvious. < 1275962370 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a language for programming with music though, rather than the reverse < 1275962439 0 :Luyt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, Fugue is actually something similar which I used for my program. Only my intervals were dependent on scale context, rather than always a fixed musical interval. < 1275962474 0 :Luyt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus, my DSL was/is used to generate music, not computations ;-) < 1275962536 0 :Luyt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoah, this concept of notating computational operations using musical notes is weird < 1275962579 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@63.164.255.79 JOIN :#esoteric < 1275962580 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably one of the more unusual languages on the wiki < 1275962607 0 :Luyt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess conventional programmers would cry out that such things should not exist < 1275962773 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1275962783 0 :Luyt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION made a bookmark for posteruty < 1275962787 0 :Luyt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :posterity* < 1275962816 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see you obsess about spelling, you'll fit right in here :D < 1275963016 0 :Luyt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not really someone who gets a kick out of strange languages (although I find them interesting) < 1275963082 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1275963085 0 :Luyt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm all for clear expression and readability and maintainability. < 1275963120 0 :Luyt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, at least in my work. < 1275963137 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1275963141 0 :Luyt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe this esoteric language thing is more like a hobby or something? < 1275963173 0 :Luyt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't write my company's production code in Piet! < 1275963210 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd think. it's not exactly a career choice... afaik. < 1275963269 0 :Luyt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imagine you'd inherit a code base of 100.000 lines of COBOL. < 1275963279 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa < 1275963334 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION only programs for fun, anyhow < 1275963364 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not that often, actually < 1275963377 0 :Luyt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. For me it's both a hobby and work. And some more, too. < 1275963386 0 :Luyt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some kind of life-fullfillment < 1275963443 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1275963598 0 :Luyt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's not much I could do otherwise. Maybe become a baker's apprentice, or a farmhand perhaps < 1275963609 0 :jabb!~475e1fa6@gateway/web/freenode/x-rmlojdqfxdabxyhg JOIN :#esoteric < 1275963622 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1275963648 0 :Luyt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What else would a deep knowledge of Python's standard library be good for? < 1275963667 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very important for bakers, you say? :D < 1275963682 0 :Luyt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Au contraire: totally irrelevant < 1275963730 0 :Luyt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A good knowlegde of Python's libraries would/is be great if you program python, but when nobody wants python programs, such knowledge is useless. < 1275963731 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure bakers are very object oriented < 1275963774 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is generally pun oriented < 1275963803 0 :Luyt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and abandoning computing and switching to industrial jobs immediately makes all your knowledge useless < 1275963821 0 :Luyt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead you have to learn how to knead dough. < 1275963922 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess python cannot be used for all your kneads < 1275963940 0 :Luyt!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither can any other computer language ;-) < 1275963942 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hey, you _were_ warned) < 1275964123 0 :aoper!~joshua@S01060011243f2bfa.ok.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275964882 0 :Mathnerd314_!~mathnerd3@63.164.255.79 JOIN :#esoteric < 1275964885 0 :aoper!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1275965004 0 :Mathnerd314__!~mathnerd3@63.164.255.79 JOIN :#esoteric < 1275965016 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1275965025 0 :Mathnerd314__!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Mathnerd314 < 1275965230 0 :Mathnerd314_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1275965576 0 :lifthras1ir!jBj3nm3c@haje12.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1275965588 0 :pineappl1!~pineapple@cpc3-aztw11-0-0-cust24.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1275965628 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1275965628 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1275965629 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1275965630 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1275965762 0 :Quadrescence!~Quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence JOIN :#esoteric < 1275966671 0 :Mathnerd314_!~mathnerd3@63.164.255.79 JOIN :#esoteric < 1275966717 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@user980.newres.utoronto.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1275966767 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1275967034 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: you are hereby expelled for truancy. Get out. < 1275967036 0 :Mathnerd314_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1275967054 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooooh, truancy. < 1275967072 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@63.164.255.79 JOIN :#esoteric < 1275967088 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`define truancy < 1275967088 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Failed to clone the environment! < 1275967094 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION whistles innocently < 1275967176 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yikes < 1275967179 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Excess Flood < 1275967206 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`define truancy < 1275967215 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1275967228 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/define < 1275967232 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/bash \ if [ ! "$1" ] \ then \ echo 'Define what?' \ exit 1 \ fi \ \ QUERY=`echo -n "$1" | od -t x1 -A n -w1000 | tr " " %` \ \ lynx --cfg=/dev/null --lss=/dev/null \ \ --dump --width=1000 'http://google.com/search?q=define:'"$QUERY" | \ grep -A 3 'Definitions of' | \ head -n 4 | tail -n 3 < 1275967250 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty lame :P < 1275967299 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@63.164.255.79 JOIN :#esoteric < 1275967324 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks everything that depends on google is broken < 1275967365 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Crystal healing, astrology, oracles, divine and occult knowledge, esoteric programming languages, ethereal projection | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1275967422 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Crystal healing, astrology, oracles, divine and occult knowledge, esoteric programming languages, ethereal and astral projection, government conspiracies to deny common paranormal events | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1275967444 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Excess Flood < 1275967462 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been half-expecting zzo38 to make an esolang based on tarot soon... < 1275967575 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@63.164.255.79 JOIN :#esoteric < 1275967851 0 :Mathnerd314_!~mathnerd3@63.164.255.79 JOIN :#esoteric < 1275967881 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: is most of that topic taken from somewhere else? < 1275967894 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1275967900 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just spewed it from my brain. < 1275967918 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. i guess you were channeling it, then. < 1275967925 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yesh :P < 1275968025 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1275968027 0 :Mathnerd314_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Mathnerd314 < 1275968296 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1275968470 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kudos for the title < 1275968473 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*topic < 1275968584 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1275969375 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1275969955 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275970097 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-48-53.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1275970123 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:24:22:oerjan: I have been half-expecting the same thing, actually < 1275970146 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1275970190 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, i have divinatory powers! *MWAHAHAHA* < 1275970508 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have invented a few card games using tarot cards. (In the games the cards were designed for, they are trick-taking games with the majors being trumps) (But it is possible to design other games as well) < 1275970576 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where do we go to print a deck of cards? (I mean just any kind of deck of cards, in general) < 1275970610 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't know about such things < 1275971025 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not easy. Cards have some vital properties that can't be replicated at a print shop. < 1275971032 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namely the coating. < 1275971207 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Carta Mundi < 1275971221 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yes that is why I ask. < 1275971225 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ M/m/ < 1275971247 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is Cartamundi anyways? < 1275971255 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the biggest card printer in the world < 1275971282 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which cities do they have buildings in? < 1275971289 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only a few factories < 1275971295 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they aren't cheap < 1275971357 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're looking for something personal, I don't know where you'd go < 1275971369 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you were making a board game or something, they're the guys to talk to first < 1275971445 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, at first, it is just something personal I would be looking for. Later on it might be differently < 1275971520 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I should do, is sell the ULTRACARD set, and then the Spider Tarot Deck (including a book), and the Spider Tarot Deck Standards Document (so that anyone else who does so, even if the deck has differences, as long as it follows the general rules described in the standards document, can then say they are conform the standard!) < 1275971599 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you played D&D recently? The last time I played, I made some serious mistakes that I realized after the session, which I will have to correct, because I did some things wrong < 1275971753 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Crystal healing, astrology, oracles, divine and occult knowledge, esoteric programming languages, ethereal and astral projection, government conspiracies to deny common paranormal events, someone who has divinatory powers | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1275972028 0 :augur!~augur@pool-74-96-29-39.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275972426 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1275972518 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Remember to close the light. < 1275973233 0 :Luyt_!~Luyt@gandhi.xs4all.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1275973296 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1275973298 0 :Luyt!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1275974190 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1275974674 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-90-91.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1275976359 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-90-91.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1275976538 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1275976538 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu < 1275977564 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've achieved a new low in PBEM Diplomacy < 1275977579 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I pretended to typo so that my "secret" messages to each player were sent to everyone < 1275978424 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1275978510 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1275979673 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1275979877 0 :jabb!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1275980359 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1275980450 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275980563 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275980857 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1275980867 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1275981090 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1275981151 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1275981921 0 :jabb!~475e1fa6@gateway/web/freenode/x-onogegroimslkjem JOIN :#esoteric < 1275982025 0 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1275982257 0 :pineappl1!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :pineapple < 1275982259 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275982377 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/comics/comments/cch7p/the_best_friend/c0rmqlj < 1275982401 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1275982418 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1275983427 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1275983681 0 :Vegabondmx!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Vegabondmx < 1275983869 0 :MizardX!~MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1275983999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1275984000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1275985247 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.org <- Nobody cares enough to cybersquat it < 1275985402 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1275985728 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1275986195 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 259 seconds < 1275986285 0 :myndzi!myndzi@c-24-19-39-178.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275986459 0 :jabb!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1275986560 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1275986812 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275987020 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1275987068 0 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-24-19-39-178.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275987098 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1275987192 0 :jabb!~grue@71.94.31.166 JOIN :#esoteric < 1275987455 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1275987651 0 :Adrian^L_!adrian@phalse.2600.COM JOIN :#esoteric < 1275987676 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1275987794 0 :myndzi\!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1275987818 0 :k!~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275987837 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1275987840 0 :k!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :kar8nga < 1275987881 0 :mycrofti1!~ircguy@h69-128-47-242.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275987919 0 :chuck_!~charlie@yourwiki/staff/charlie JOIN :#esoteric < 1275987931 0 :Deewiant_!~deewiant@kekkonen.cs.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1275988177 0 :fizzie`!~fis@2001:1bc8:102:587b:230:18ff:fea9:6f01 JOIN :#esoteric < 1275988181 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1275988181 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1275988181 0 :chuck!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1275988181 0 :yiyus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1275988181 0 :Adrian^L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1275988181 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1275988682 0 :myndzi!myndzi@c-24-19-39-178.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275989258 0 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1275989855 0 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-24-19-39-178.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275989874 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1275990898 0 :MigoMipo!~John@62.119.155.253 JOIN :#esoteric < 1275991694 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1275992832 0 :jabb!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1275993473 0 :AndroUser!~androirc@62.140.137.100 JOIN :#esoteric < 1275993499 0 :AndroUser!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1275994284 0 :Deewiant_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Deewiant < 1275994662 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is getting crazy language ideas. < 1275994666 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's probably not a good thing. < 1275994917 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1275995155 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular... I was thinking you could have a Haskell-related language with types as first-class entities, and a means to run certain functions at compile time instead of runtime to implement things like constraints. < 1275995229 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x :: Int | inRange(0,Inf) < 1275995335 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the function a) has constant arguments b) does not compute side-effects... then it could be ran at compile-time via an interpreter. < 1275995387 0 :jacobSmit!~plop@202.90.207.191 JOIN :#esoteric < 1275995568 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1275995627 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In psuedo-Haskell speak... (|) :: (Constraint c) => t -> c t -> (t | c) < 1275995677 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| isn't really an operation though... just a declaration of sorts. But those are the types it accepts. < 1275995734 0 :jacobSmit!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1275995829 0 :MigoMipo!~John@62.119.155.253 JOIN :#esoteric < 1275996324 0 :jacobSmit!~plop@202.90.207.191 JOIN :#esoteric < 1275996358 0 :jacobSmit!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK < 1275996361 0 :jacobSmit!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1275996363 0 :jacobSmit!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :accident < 1275996468 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a fun accident < 1275996751 0 :jacobSmit!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess < 1275996765 0 :jacobSmit!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many people on this channel actually exist? < 1275996963 0 :myndzi!myndzi@c-24-19-39-178.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275997084 0 :myndzi\!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1275997229 0 :jacobSmit!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1275997259 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1275997272 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1275997286 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13YlEPwOfmk < 1275997288 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1275997503 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think most of the people here exist < 1275997508 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only a small subset actually pay attention < 1275997517 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, he's left < 1275997763 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I have a message to you from cpressey < 1275997774 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it? < 1275997784 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2010-06-07 23:30:56 ( cpressey) I come to announce Burro 2.0: http://catseye.tc/projects/burro/doc/burro.html < 1275997787 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2010-06-07 23:34:37 ( cpressey) Well, if you see him before I do, let him know that his offhand observation that Burro was broken, resulted in months of work for me fixing it :) < 1275997790 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2010-06-07 23:34:52 ( cpressey) Not actual full months -- spare-time-months, of course < 1275997796 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"him" being you < 1275997796 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, aha < 1275997808 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: sorry < 1275997835 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was the observation? < 1275997853 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that two of the commands weren't actually reverses, or something like that < 1275997862 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright < 1275997905 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, it was that {} didn't have an inverse < 1275997911 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as mentioned in what that link probably was < 1275997920 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just because I filter links doesn't mean I can't navigate the Cat's Eye website...) < 1275997921 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that link does actually state it < 1275997946 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I managed to stop before getting that far < 1275997970 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, done with typical cpressey thoroughness, I like reading his work < 1275997974 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or her, I suppose < 1275997982 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't even deduce the gender from the name in that case < 1275998193 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Concatenation of instructions is defined as composition of functions" < 1275998197 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's even made it concatenative! < 1275998204 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it doesn't seem to use typical concatenative control flow < 1275998343 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder what sort of category is implied by the group of Burro programs? < 1275998593 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you need to ping me otherwise i odnt know you're talking to me. < 1275998594 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are you. < 1275998601 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't < 1275998624 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was mostly talking to cpressey in the abstract, even though he wasn't here < 1275998630 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and to the channel in general < 1275998669 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, that documentation gives me a worrying thought that Markdown might have been invented /just/ to work with >-style literate Haskell < 1275998734 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. < 1275998740 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard to know! < 1276000807 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1276001397 0 :oktolol!~oklopol@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe28dc00-70.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1276002279 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1276002761 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : also, that documentation gives me a worrying thought that Markdown might have been invented /just/ to work with >-style literate Haskell < 1276002813 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the > style literate programming was invented before haskell. also it's email/usenet quoting. < 1276002957 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1276002972 0 :oktolol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1276003293 0 :oktolol!~oklopol@a91-153-122-35.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1276003572 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM THE QUEEN OF FRANCE. < 1276003675 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OFF WITH HER HEAD! < 1276003691 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's what the french do with their queens, right?) < 1276004046 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I liked d&d annotation today < 1276004069 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hasn't got to that tab yet < 1276004082 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : OFF WITH HER HEAD! <-- I think that quote is from Alice in Wonderland though < 1276004092 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was a while ago I read it, so I could be wrong < 1276004098 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1276004213 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I just realised a nice way to measure ambient temperature if you don't have any thermometer handy is to wake a laptop from s2ram and check harddrive temperature right away < 1276004235 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it needs to have been suspended for long enough for the harddrive to cool to ambient temperature for this to work < 1276004261 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just unsuspended his laptop and according to that measurement indoor temp is ~23 C < 1276004309 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if Bernard is cockney rhyming slang, and what it means < 1276004320 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i failed to google it) < 1276004375 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries harder < 1276004503 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is, but it doesn't fit the comic < 1276004709 0 :oktolol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1276005121 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1276005243 0 :relet!~hirtho@159.162.68.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1276005580 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... does Haskell have a set typeclass? < 1276005591 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :built-in and all. < 1276005675 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: not really. < 1276005680 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...should. < 1276005698 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could define the set operators for a type... and not the implementation. < 1276005765 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: it would have to be multiparameter, which is already an extension... < 1276005778 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(set _and_ contained type) < 1276005795 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's probably a package somewhere < 1276005948 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "Seriously, that last one is no fun whatsoever." indeed < 1276006041 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(where somewhere = hackage, naturally) < 1276007017 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1276007018 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : | < 1276007018 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/| < 1276007621 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are 3D editing so awkward I wonder. I mean stuff like 3D modellers, 3D cad programs and so on. They are use awkward to use and the camera controls for the perspective view is usually awkward. And if you realise you need to add something that isn't on what is currently the "outside" of the model, things are really awkward... < 1276007675 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1276007707 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, I think the current user interaction system for those (and it is pretty similar for all 3D editors, just some small differences like which mouse button does what in the perspective view and so on...) needs some major rethinking. Not that I have any idea for a better UI that would work with a normal mouse < 1276007717 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Later < 1276007761 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some 3D positioning glove or such would probably work rather well, but would on the other hand be fairly impractical for people who don't do 3D editing professionally... < 1276008746 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two words: matrix jack < 1276008754 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the human brain is the best UI. < 1276008883 0 :relet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1276008939 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they're easy to make. Just a) figure out, in detail, a consistent and unique pattern that the state of the human brain for a given thought. b) create a computerized implant that can not only poll the brain for these impulses but recognize them as specific thoughts c) ???? d) PROFIT < 1276009359 0 :cpressey!~CPressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1276009406 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just got a new buzzword: program-oriented programming < 1276009414 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :POP... that's catchy. < 1276009464 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric should deploy POP as an abstract business solution for concerned markets. < 1276009556 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In POP everything is a program. This program-oriented environment allows programs to reason about the programs that program what they're programming. Even integers are programs. < 1276009620 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1276010226 0 :relet!~thomas@c905DBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1276010238 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1276010317 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Subject-Oriented Programming is an object-oriented software paradigm in which the state (fields) and behavior (methods) of objects are not seen as intrinsic to the objects themselves, but are provided by various subjective perceptions (“subjects”) of the objects. < 1276010322 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :....lolwat < 1276010787 0 :relet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds reasonable. If you want to split that string, better bring your own axe. < 1276010950 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Unlambda, Underload < 1276011077 0 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1276011258 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1276011268 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :referring to your POP concept < 1276011269 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it turns out there's a lot of pedantic dickfaces who program < 1276011276 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that doesn't surprise me at all < 1276011287 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it seems a lot of them enjoy programming language IRC channels. < 1276011293 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :many good programmers, and probably many bad ones too, are very pedantic < 1276011306 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a large number of programmers use the Internet, which has an unusually high proportion of dickfaces < 1276011315 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it would therefore be surprising if there wasn't a large overlap < 1276011341 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could probably write what you just said in Prolog. < 1276011384 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but why would you? < 1276011388 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-15-69.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1276011466 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well the motivation was never a consideration. :P < 1276011483 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1276011499 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in #esoteric, "why not?" is a good enough reason for many programming-related tasks < 1276011502 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although probably not all of them < 1276011552 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, only if they are esoteric. < 1276011557 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise there must be reasons. < 1276011617 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how you could make person-oriented programming. < 1276011656 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"XMLParser and BusinessLogicManager perform a handshake and eat at a nice thai restaurant." < 1276011860 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1276011861 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1276011861 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1276011926 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, new page: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Tubes < 1276011941 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :horrifically formatted and hard to read, but it seems like a legit attempt to make an esolang < 1276012123 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cabal will deliberate on who to sacrifice in exchange for an esolang page. < 1276012127 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION summons the cabal. < 1276012164 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, my name's cpressey and I'll be your cabal today. Can I interest you in the collusion soup? < 1276012217 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1276012238 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made an (unimplemented) language that looks similar to Tubes. < 1276012276 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/BugSophia < 1276014493 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1276014504 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1276014853 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, what happened to the topic? < 1276014896 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the international hub for esoteric programming language development and deployment | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1276014916 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I think I probably screwed the topic up somewhere < 1276015465 0 :MizardX!~MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1276015734 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Guess I got my swagga' back. < 1276015758 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1276015935 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: you need to at least put the log link in < 1276015938 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :freenode rules < 1276015945 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's a ridiculous topic < 1276016017 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Guess I got my swagga' back | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1276016023 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3 < 1276016048 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry. I've been listening to some quality dubstep so I feel a little dirty. < 1276016272 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1276016958 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1276018537 0 :MizardX-!~MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1276018703 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1276018717 0 :MizardX-!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :MizardX < 1276018928 0 :Nikobal!~Nikobal@p4FE5C3BE.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1276018935 0 :Nikobal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi there!! < 1276019031 0 :Ilari_antrcomp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nikobal: Hi... Got any ideas for new esolangs? :-> < 1276019079 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1276019372 0 :Nikobal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari_antrcomp, what are eso-langs? < 1276019399 0 :Ilari_antrcomp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nikobal: Esoteric programming languages (the topic of this channel). < 1276019558 0 :Nikobal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm < 1276019565 0 :Nikobal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am new here < 1276019584 0 :Ilari_antrcomp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nikobal: Doing things the sane way in them is not a requirement (in fact, it should be avoided). :-> < 1276019588 0 :Nikobal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wana get a channel about esoteric, not a programming language < 1276019599 0 :Nikobal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1276019603 0 :Nikobal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wana start python some time < 1276019616 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-241-30.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1276019618 0 :Ilari_antrcomp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nikobal: Its not one programming language, it is whole group of them... < 1276019652 0 :Nikobal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye, so brainfuck like stuff < 1276019668 0 :Nikobal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i am here with focus on esoteric, this is way older then computers. < 1276019683 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But brainfuck et al are so much more enlightening :) < 1276020253 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has alize made it to the news yet < 1276020339 0 :Nikobal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- < 1276020561 0 :Vegabondmx!~Vegabonds@99.18.30.58 JOIN :#esoteric < 1276020562 0 :Vegabondmx!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1276020562 0 :Vegabondmx!~Vegabonds@unaffiliated/vegabondsx JOIN :#esoteric < 1276020771 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: Uh oh, has there been more drama recently? < 1276020914 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :she's 'separated' < 1276020929 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hm < 1276020935 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it 'isolated'? < 1276020973 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: "he" < 1276021028 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the nick wouldn't be alize if alize didn't secretly want to be called 'she' < 1276021036 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't she say that she wanted to see that happen < 1276021075 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1276021115 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: You mean, she's stuck offline again? < 1276021125 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1276021251 0 :asiekierka!asiekierka@078088180066.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1276021255 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1276021263 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have been attempting to design an esolang... again < 1276021263 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i just hope alize makes it through the week ok < 1276021267 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1276021270 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and its unlike dobela < 1276021278 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka, welcome to the ESO language support channel < 1276021284 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What ho, asiekierka! < 1276021290 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has 17 commands < 1276021294 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :including NOP (space) < 1276021299 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it has 16 actual commands < 1276021304 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first, it's 2D < 1276021310 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the concept evolves around binary and a stack < 1276021315 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in you can input either 0 or 1 to the stack < 1276021322 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the stack could be "1,0,1,1,0,0,1" < 1276021335 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, i'll continue in a few mins < 1276021338 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :asie[brb] < 1276021371 0 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-24-19-39-178.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1276021547 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1276021730 0 :asie[brb]!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1276021731 0 :asie[brb]!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :asiekierka < 1276021743 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so our stack looks like "1,0,1,1,0,0,1" < 1276021745 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :left being top < 1276021747 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right being botton < 1276021749 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bottom* < 1276021753 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, there's a JOIN command, "=" < 1276021760 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :executing it on our stack will make it < 1276021765 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"10,1,1,0,0,1" < 1276021772 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :effectively turning the 2 binary digits into a binary number < 1276021774 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :running it again gives < 1276021779 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"101,1,0,0,1" < 1276021794 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, we might not want such a mode, so we use the SPLIT "#" command < 1276021797 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :running it on this gives < 1276021801 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1,0,1,1,0,0,1" < 1276021823 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also a way to swap the two topmost elements of the stack < 1276021827 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"@" < 1276021831 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"0,1,1,1,0,0,1" < 1276021841 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT what if we want to get to the FIFTH part and not the second? < 1276021843 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't worry < 1276021844 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this will do it < 1276021849 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on "1,0,1,1,0,0,1" < 1276021857 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :===@ < 1276021860 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 3 join's will do < 1276021863 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1011,0,0,1" < 1276021865 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the swap does < 1276021868 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"0,1011,0,1" < 1276021873 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :voila! we have accessed what we wanted < 1276021878 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to go back we just have to do @# < 1276021902 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we also have other commands < 1276021911 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like X - remove from stack (result: "0,1,1,0,0,1") < 1276021921 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ - XOR (result: 1,1,1,0,0,1) < 1276021938 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ - terminate (result: C:\_ for you MS-DOSers, and something else for you Unixers) < 1276021950 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! - perform a NOT (result: 0,0,1,1,0,0,1) < 1276021962 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? - skips the next command if the binary value is nonzero < 1276021967 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the result being it does skip it) < 1276021974 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> - outputs, modulo 256 < 1276021978 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< - inputs into the stack < 1276021993 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and / \ - rotates the IP left or right, respectively < 1276021999 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and finally: < 1276022003 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ - adds the 2 binary numbers < 1276022017 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- - subtracts the 2 binary numbers (if the result is <0, it's kept as 0) < 1276022022 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is all so far < 1276022027 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any quest---wait... < 1276022029 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did anyone listen? < 1276022115 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND is essentially =- < 1276022126 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR is, uh... < 1276022170 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, new command < 1276022175 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% - clone current binary value < 1276022188 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we have (1,0) < 1276022201 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, we have < 1276022239 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: the "something else for you Unixers" is probably a $, actually < 1276022243 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1276022247 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1276022249 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1276022252 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im thinking how to pull off an OR < 1276022253 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least < 1276022260 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the default bash prompt ends in $ < 1276022281 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1276022288 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to replace ? (abused in so many 2D esolangs) < 1276022294 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to [...] - BF equalivment < 1276022422 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :=[1@X] < 1276022434 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here you go, an OR implemented in an as-of-yet unnamed language < 1276022582 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, i've realized i dont need [...] in 2D < 1276022584 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we stay at ? < 1276022602 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my friend kindly made a 1D OR working for that < 1276022605 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :=?1?@?X < 1276022683 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my friend is now going to make a hello world < 1276022728 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that OR work? < 1276022733 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, heh < 1276022740 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see at the example of a (1,0) stack < 1276022743 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it first joins it to make 10 < 1276022744 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting observation: We can think of [...] as a way to extend 1D into ~1.5D (consider the added stack to be something close to "half a dimension"), precisely because 1 dimension isn't enough to be Turing-complete. < 1276022756 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's non-zero, it inputs 1 < 1276022759 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's (1,10) < 1276022763 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it swaps if it's nonzero < 1276022765 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's (10,1) < 1276022767 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it deletes the 10 < 1276022769 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :giving (1) < 1276022773 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1276022781 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :another example, (1,1) < 1276022795 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1,1) -> (11) -> (1,11) -> (11,1) -> (1) < 1276022805 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a 1-bit OR, though < 1276022809 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but whatever < 1276022815 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the XOR and NOT are not 1-bit though < 1276022859 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make a more than 1-bit OR would require a lot of tinkering < 1276022866 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by storing those < 1276022896 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(10,01) -> (11) < 1276022977 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might add extra AND/OR commands because of that, tho < 1276022990 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and get rid of NOT < 1276022995 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... < 1276022997 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1276023002 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1276023009 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, if you have (100) to NOT < 1276023012 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just do < 1276023015 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why get rid of not? < 1276023019 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :111==- < 1276023026 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in < 1276023032 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(100) -> (111,100) -> (011) < 1276023035 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can easily emulate it < 1276023040 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without a proper command < 1276023064 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i don't understand esolang design, then < 1276023079 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can just do it without a command on it's own < 1276023089 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my esolang goal is to never make commands that can be done with other commands < 1276023105 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it kinda takes "if there's a way to do a command without using it, then don't include it" to the hardcore extreme < 1276023115 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's a SIMPLE way < 1276023116 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to do that < 1276023122 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it took like 101 commands < 1276023124 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would include it < 1276023139 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if it only takes (bits*2) commands to do that? < 1276023148 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in for a 5-bit value it takes 5*2 commands < 1276023171 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like the reason why complex.h doesn't have the cis function < 1276023197 0 :Ilari_antrcomp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that just exp(i*x)? < 1276023197 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND, OR and XOR can be emulated with other commands but only for 1 bit < 1276023209 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than that it's pretty hard < 1276023214 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that might show a weakness < 1276023218 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari_antrcomp: or cos(x) + I*sin(x) < 1276023223 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for values bigger than 1 bit it's hard to do MUCH operations between tem < 1276023229 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :between them* < 1276023245 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe that might warrant one more command < 1276023249 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) - rotates the stack < 1276023255 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in the topmost item gets pushed to the very bottom < 1276023262 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1276023277 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like that without the opposite instruction < 1276023282 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the opposite can be done < 1276023290 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, it can't < 1276023292 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is it needed? < 1276023294 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1276023301 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see? < 1276023303 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1276023306 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do (kinda) get it < 1276023335 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im thinking how to do ( < 1276023341 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :easier than typing )))))))))))))))))) < 1276023351 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also we don't know the stack size < 1276023397 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking < 1276023400 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could do a command, "S" < 1276023410 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S - output the current stack size to the stack < 1276023446 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i've realized < 1276023449 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the addition of ) < 1276023455 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can in theory move any value anywhere < 1276023462 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use join to get to the 5th value < 1276023464 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :swap them < 1276023467 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use ) < 1276023472 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then split the joined one < 1276023477 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get the 5th value to the bottom < 1276023484 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then join to get to the 4th value < 1276023500 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :swa---wait < 1276023511 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's it, i add in ( as it is in fact needed < 1276023521 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i was really evil < 1276023527 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldnt include right rotation < 1276023530 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as that's an opposite < 1276023539 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you join to get to the 4th value < 1276023544 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do ( < 1276023546 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :swap, < 1276023548 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and split < 1276023554 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to move the 5th value to the 4th < 1276023601 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes it 19 commands < 1276023637 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :example mover: moves 3rd value to 2nd < 1276023682 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :=@)#(@ < 1276023711 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not for the lack of an = at the end < 1276023723 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'd have a code palindrome... or something < 1276024068 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i wonder < 1276024076 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IS IT TURING COMPLEETED < 1276026184 0 :jamesstanley!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1276026601 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: I don't think I saw anything that would serve as an "if", but I wasn't paying full attention < 1276026986 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cute, a self-modifying sieve of Eratosthenes: http://muaddibspace.blogspot.com/2008/05/prolog-chr-prime-seive-one-liner.html < 1276026995 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders where fax is these days < 1276027025 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1276027032 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found out about the CARDIAC paper computer < 1276027168 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc2-belf9-2-0-cust994.2-1.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1276027202 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is CakeProphet's swagga' so important? < 1276027241 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Several theorems rely on it < 1276027259 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, such as? < 1276027327 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION points to one such theorem as it drifts past < 1276027500 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is CakeProphet's swagga'? < 1276027668 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a good question. < 1276027678 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably best answered by CakeProphet. < 1276027760 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. < 1276027771 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a crunk form of locomotion often attributed to gangsters such as myself. < 1276027887 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a distinctly American ideal. < 1276027895 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is all-American. < 1276028172 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does it pertain to mathematics? < 1276028204 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I thought all-American accents were rhotic? < 1276028312 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha. Depends on how fast you're speaking < 1276028342 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and... doesn't everything pertain to mathematics? At least, that's what my mathematics professors always tell me. < 1276028369 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the alternative is that they were all just arrogant pricks. < 1276028374 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and that can't be right. < 1276028579 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything is mathematics. < 1276028585 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except swagga's. < 1276028607 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If anything, "swagga'" is all-Australian) < 1276028638 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that was "swagman". Specifically of the "jolly" variety. < 1276028749 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, just in terms of rhoticity. < 1276028759 0 :Adrian^L_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1276029231 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I would also stipulate that everyone is /not/ our current understanding of mathematics. < 1276029236 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a point that some people seem to gloss over. < 1276029276 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...meaning that most systems can be modelled mathematically, but we do not necessarily have the knowledge or endurance to do the modelling. < 1276029283 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course. < 1276029325 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also. here is where I found my swagga': http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpAePSP-ni4 < 1276029341 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though you might be offended by my musical tastes. < 1276029365 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have my speakers turned off. < 1276029369 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha. < 1276029383 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if you click on the link < 1276029407 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll see some nice album art, a moving slider, and some intelligent commentary. < 1276029826 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of those was present. < 1276029842 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha. < 1276029848 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such wit. < 1276029858 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, /some/ album art. That's two. < 1276029901 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You explicitly said "nice". < 1276029968 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice in the sense that it was courteous of the submitter to include an image to look at as you watch the slider move. < 1276030033 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways. I'm going to go play a game of Risk. I will likely not return for several days. < 1276030046 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but actually it'll be like 3 hours or something. < 1276030056 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Farewell. < 1276030135 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, we hate Java here. But what else do we hate? < 1276030139 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++? < 1276030142 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C#? < 1276030148 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I actually like all of those languages... < 1276030198 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... < 1276030203 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I had to pick I would say Java. < 1276030220 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it basically is just C# without any of the good features. < 1276030230 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they're all fine. < 1276030240 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell seems to be popular... < 1276030270 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1276030295 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of us like Lisp as well < 1276030299 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is now gone. < 1276030490 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of us hate Python... < 1276030501 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, "hate" is too strong a word. < 1276030505 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel sorry for Python. < 1276031262 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dont like Pyhon < 1276031263 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python* < 1276031267 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just dont like the syntax < 1276031274 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly, nobody understands me < 1276031291 0 :jabb!~4a73b064@gateway/web/freenode/x-jhspopisovmdimgk JOIN :#esoteric < 1276031349 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I quite like Python. < 1276031380 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I'm bored and don't want to search through reams of documentation to do things. < 1276031553 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use 6502 ASM for that < 1276031557 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit more < 1276031561 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'll have it memorized < 1276031573 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1276031648 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been doing a fair amount of C64/VIC20 coding lately, and I almost have it memorized. Except for BIT of course. < 1276032078 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mind Java, per se, for the most part. The world that most Java coders inhabit, on the other hand... < 1276032487 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BIT? < 1276032673 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.obelisk.demon.co.uk/6502/reference.html#BIT < 1276032687 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who can remember all that? ;) < 1276032711 0 :Oranjer!~HP_Admini@adsl-243-205-116.cae.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1276032743 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe if I was really into testing what bits 6 and 7 are, I would care enough to... < 1276033728 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1276034178 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1276034567 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1276034669 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan! < 1276034704 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ectoplasm_Scooper! < 1276034759 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll run out eventually. < 1276034780 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hint: The Ghost that Sucks < 1276034780 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was my thought too, just before writing that < 1276034804 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer: i think i did that before < 1276034820 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1276034855 0 :fizzie`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For what its for, I've never really needed the N and V flag-settings of BIT, and it's reasonably easy to remember the "main" functionality of it (and A and memory, throw away the result but set zero flag accordingly). < 1276034950 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So BIT is to AND as CMP is to SBC (roughly)? < 1276035304 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : it kinda takes "if there's a way to do a command without using it, then don't include it" to the hardcore extreme < 1276035312 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's almost what "tarpit" means < 1276035328 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo < 1276035375 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you will note our wiki has a specific category for Turing Tarpits (tarpits that are turing complete) < 1276035378 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1276035417 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A set of features of X is minimal for Y if removing any one of those features from X results in something that's no longer Y < 1276035480 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1276035615 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* cpressey wonders where fax is these days <-- i banned her a while ago, after she went completely ballistic. < 1276035677 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only for a few days though, but she hasn't shown up since afaik < 1276035712 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh great, more eso drama. < 1276035753 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Her last blog entry was March 29, so I was wondering. < 1276035755 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't recall that much drama otherwise, other than alise's and AnMaster's semi-friendly bitching < 1276035759 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1276035782 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that it's a really frequently-updated blog < 1276035800 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it a mathematically-oriented ballistic? :) < 1276035810 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i _think_ it was later than that, i'm not quite sure < 1276035823 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1276035834 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's was a previous one that sort of was, iirc < 1276035910 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, she took a joke as a completely serious insult, an spammed a wall of "fuck you"s back < 1276035916 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*and < 1276035975 0 :Rugxulo!~user@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1276035995 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O < 1276036001 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sees a ghost < 1276036037 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: it's a pretty sucky ghost. unless you see someone other than i do < 1276036051 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey ^_^ < 1276036067 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey is no ghost. afaik. < 1276036094 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ain't heard from him yet, so ... < 1276036107 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(neither is he sucky, just to be clear) < 1276036170 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I'm not dead *yet*. < 1276036176 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;-) < 1276036206 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just so you know, I wrote Rexx and Pascal interpreters for B93, also hacked up a DOS assembly one (not yours) to be 982 bytes < 1276036231 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rexx. Very nice. < 1276036237 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not as impressive as AnMaster (CFunge) and Deewiant (CCBI) < 1276036255 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, should've said dual Borland-ish / ISO 7185 (compiles in both without changes) < 1276036268 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although there's no built-in random in ISO 7185 < 1276036280 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it just ignores that ;-) < 1276036356 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways, I posted them to comp.lang.rexx and comp.lang.pascal.{borland,ansi-iso}, respectively < 1276036370 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that it really matters, but since you're here anyways ............ < 1276036444 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fax's blog? < 1276036446 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Link? < 1276036458 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? < 1276036459 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to go, but I'll logread tomorrow. < 1276036465 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Far above. < 1276036476 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://muaddibspace.blogspot.com/ < 1276036689 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"now stop worrying and enjoy your life" ... yeah, that was worth putting up a billboard for :-P < 1276036831 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1276036944 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1276037017 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways < 1276037702 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: there are also assembly B93 interpreters for Win32 and {Open-,NetBSD} on FASM's forum, though I didn't write 'em ;-) < 1276037721 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though for some odd reason (terminal comfortability???) the *BSD dude used 41x25 :-/ < 1276037759 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreePascal 2.4.0 compiles mine to 30k (static!), UPX halves that < 1276037765 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting. You mentioned mine -- befia? Is it still floating around out there somewhere? < 1276037778 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on your site??? < 1276037788 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's on my site?? < 1276037796 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of these are based upon that (which, AFAICT, was loosely based upon befos or maybe the C version or both??) < 1276037806 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not anymore. < 1276037811 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you want the FASM forum link, I can show you < 1276037832 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's on your site, last I checked < 1276037845 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1276037853 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, as long as they pass Mycology, I'm happy. < 1276037857 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How long ago did you check? < 1276037861 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://catseye.tc/projects/befos/src/turbo/bf93.tasm < 1276037867 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :three seconds ;-) < 1276037875 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh crap, hah. < 1276037894 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :message db 'befia v0.90, usage: befia ', 13, 10, '$' < 1276037921 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other words, it doesn't work out-of-the-box (e.g., in DOS, Win32, etc) < 1276037924 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I guess befia wormed its way into BefOS, even though IIRC it's not used heavily in it. < 1276037941 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Used to be its own project on the site -- not anymore. < 1276037946 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, just to tell you two very minor details: < 1276037968 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Borland is still around (somewhat), but they spun off the development tools / IDEs to CodeGear, which is now owned by Embarcadero < 1276037984 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turbo C++ Explorer 2006 (which never installed correctly for me) was freeware, and it had latest / last TASM32 5.3 < 1276037992 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they don't offer it online anymore :-( < 1276038017 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and NASM by default aligns data section to four bytes, so you have to say "section .data align=1" if you want to avoid that (whereas you just ignored that directive altogether for same effect) < 1276038047 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. I converted all my TASM sources of note to NASM. Except befia. But it still lives in the old TASM directory of BefOS. < 1276038061 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember running into some damn alignment issue when converting Shelta to NASM. < 1276038075 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, I saw you mention somewhere in there < 1276038088 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would've e-mailed you, but I couldn't find one, so I guess you didn't want to be bothered < 1276038112 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION only learned Befunge93 since around September of last year, so ... < 1276038135 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's on my site if you look hard enough. < 1276038176 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's moot now ;-) < 1276038573 0 :Rugxulo`!~user@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1276038599 0 :Rugxulo`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, now I'm the ghost! :-P < 1276038714 0 :Rugxulo`!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: *shakes fist* < 1276038716 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1276038791 0 :Rugxulo`!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1276039151 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1276039407 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1276039946 0 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1276040608 0 :MizardX-!~MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1276040632 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1276040636 0 :MizardX-!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :MizardX < 1276041145 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1276041228 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?