< 1278806801 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, first frame Satellite Road 3 exit is visible: #13377. Last frame: #14078. So ~700 frames, which is about 11.6s. In that time, the ship moves 70 tiles. So structures are visible at least 70 tiles out... < 1278807693 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, upload these please < 1278807772 0 :SevenInchBread!~adam@h209.46.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1278807870 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those frames are nothing special. Actually larger structures are visible 120+ tiles out. < 1278807872 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1278807915 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in that case, the structures were 1 unit wide, 2 units high and couple units long blocks). < 1278807942 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1278807954 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :CakeProphet < 1278808026 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1278808153 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1278808160 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1278808588 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1278808619 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, I *was* wondering why the texture selection looked a bit strange; turns out there's two more levels of indirection from "texture numbers" to actual bitmap indices. < 1278808620 0 :jberryman!~jberryman@c-24-125-153-250.hsd1.va.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1278808767 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now they look a lot more sensible: http://zem.fi/~fis/bots.jpg < 1278808784 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though the reactor isn't actually supposed to be lurking there.) < 1278809387 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :wareya_ < 1278809390 0 :wareya_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :wareya < 1278811445 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, timeout < 1278811477 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah now it works < 1278811482 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks nice < 1278811647 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Second round of "spot the exit pipes". 5-3 this time. Start: #19066. End: #20196. So about 1130 frames (110+ tiles). < 1278811778 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1278812006 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, what is the goal and such in that game < 1278812022 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never played it, and since you said levels where hard I'm unlikely to < 1278812145 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Skyroads? Make to exit pipe and drive through it without crashing your ship (too hard), falling off the road, running out of time, running out of fuel, running into dead end or touching burning block. < 1278812183 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kosmonaut had some additional ways to die (and funny messages when you failed). < 1278812218 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't burning blocks effectively like gaps in the floor? < 1278812221 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is there a difference? < 1278812228 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(apart from glitch-bouncing on the burning ones?) < 1278812275 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there's other difference. In fact, locking algorithm treats burning blocks the same as gaps (something I exploit in one level). < 1278812332 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1278812392 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To do X5-2 and X10-3 at full speed, one needs to really glitch the burning block. < 1278812459 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically the ship bounces from the burning block (but game doesn't recognize it) and then jump is done off burning block. < 1278812461 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's this? < 1278812484 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its grease! < 1278812487 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'lo < 1278812490 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've got it all over you < 1278812492 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, what game is this? < 1278812507 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: Skyroads. < 1278812510 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmkay < 1278812515 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: Actually, Xmas special of it. < 1278812518 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh skyroad! i remember that! < 1278812524 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was an awesome game :D < 1278812609 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was crazy when you had just played a map where you jump really high, and then begin to play a map where your ship barely jumps at all :P < 1278812630 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its amazing how badly you can destroy The Earth road 3 (the infamous "ship is leaking!" level) with frame-perfect play. In fact, you don't even have to lose a frame there. < 1278812650 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the keys for this? < 1278812652 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7-1 had lowest possible gravity (100), and 7-2 had highest (1700, NO JUMPING AT ALL). < 1278812670 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: Arrows and space, IIRC. < 1278812673 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1278812698 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: And then there's P (found that by trying) and ESC. < 1278812720 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, isnt it only the left/right arrow < 1278812733 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did you have the ability to control speed? < 1278812736 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Up/down => Acceleate/decelerate. < 1278812740 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1278812748 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Xmas special had 1600 gravity, which was just enough to jump one block. < 1278812750 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sooo so long ago i played that game ^^ < 1278812786 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TASing those games has gotten to the point where even race conditions are abused. < 1278812791 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dont think i ever tried no special edition < 1278812853 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many times when TASing Skyxmas, I was like "WTF? Did they really expect somebody to make through this in realtime???". < 1278812929 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait how do you TAS it? < 1278812992 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tas? < 1278812995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, you made it through in real time ever? < 1278813005 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuu, tool assisted speedrun < 1278813015 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what does that_ mean? < 1278813017 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have made through 28 of 30 Skyroads levels and 3 of 30 Skyxmas levels in realtime. < 1278813018 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah crazy < 1278813051 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: is it a hack to slow it down? < 1278813054 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(From Skyroads everything except Druidia 2 and 3, and from Skyxmas only snowbounds). < 1278813101 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuu: Play it frame at a time with ability to undo mistakes. In the end, one gets single play through it as result. < 1278813124 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1278813131 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: what tools? < 1278813136 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like an incredibly boring way to play a game < 1278813155 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuu: it's more for fun in watching the final result, than in playing it, I expect < 1278813165 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, makes sense < 1278813218 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: Usually those refer to savestates and frame advance (through there are others). < 1278813232 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i mean specific tools < 1278813280 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, aren't there automated speedruns. I seem to remember zelda oot with a tool to calculate optimal paths over the terrain < 1278813291 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would require no human input for those bits < 1278813329 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, there's scripting too. < 1278813348 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a set of "goto, x,y,z" "climb to x,y,z" "go to x,y,z", "hit green button", ... < 1278813380 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then there's TASes like Lunar Ball that have way more computer-generated input than human-generated. < 1278813389 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, oh? < 1278813406 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, was that the one that modified randomness to generate the end of the game object next to you? < 1278813410 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All those shot angles were caluclated. < 1278813415 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah not that one < 1278813441 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, and that one was obsoleted, the current version generates the end of game object straight under you. < 1278813448 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, haha < 1278813460 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, that's even better < 1278813502 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1278813508 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1278813516 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1278813520 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1278813530 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1278813550 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1278813551 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1278813555 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1278813611 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1278813615 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1278814608 0 :jberryman!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1278815582 0 :FireFly|n900!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1278816132 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@75-151-73-57-Spokane.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1278816952 0 :Wamanuz3!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1278817331 0 :Phantom_Hoover!c9e52a98@gateway/web/freenode/ip.201.229.42.152 JOIN :#esoteric < 1278817423 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1278818817 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: DOOD AUTOJOIN #MICROCOSM YAJERK < 1278819546 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-48-53.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1278819584 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Finally*, I managed to figure out how to make Enhanced CWEB to print out the correct line numbers! At least I could do it in one day. < 1278819884 0 :Azkar!~Azkar@pool-74-111-120-127.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1278819891 0 :bab!~jeffrey@174-126-249-160.cpe.cableone.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1278820323 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1278820429 0 :coppro!~coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1278820441 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1278820627 0 :Azkar!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1278821633 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1278822154 0 :coppro!~coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1278822516 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1278823137 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1278823842 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@75-151-73-57-Spokane.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1278823928 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1278824069 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, you know how Python does multiline comments? < 1278824075 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JavaScript is now using the same technique for /pragmas/ < 1278824100 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how Python does multiline comments < 1278824100 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1278824104 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ECMAScript 5 has a pragma to be stricter < 1278824108 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"use strict"; < 1278824123 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(multiline comments in Python are normally done by trapping them inside strings and throwing away the result) < 1278824141 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1278824160 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, docstrings, right < 1278824174 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, seriously, pragmas in strings. wtf < 1278824187 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, that is like, I have never done it. I have never written any programs in Python other than these: http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/PySol/ruleset/ < 1278824188 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does have a certain horrible logic to it < 1278824211 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it is done that way for compatibility? < 1278824214 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you evaluate a function in no context and it returns that string < 1278824233 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I can think of that too, it probably isn't supposed to do that!!!?? < 1278824271 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's for compatibility < 1278824277 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it should require you put a minus sign before the string, in a statement by itself, might help a little bit? < 1278824280 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: doesn't trigger the pragma, it's lexical < 1278824292 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like: -"use strict"; < 1278824301 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_Caring _About _Compatibility _Too _Much _Is _Dumb < 1278824322 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CACTMID? < 1278824326 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although ECMAScript is a speical case) < 1278824330 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: _______ < 1278824343 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's a C99 reference < 1278824357 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1278824486 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps load some of these files tell me if you like this game or not < 1278824507 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_Especially _As _Posix _Says _Screw _The _Rules _Anyways. < 1278824648 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I will add in more changes and then release "Enhanced CWEB version 0.1" < 1278824690 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm honestly surprised restrict was made a keyword < 1278824726 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean in C? < 1278824736 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1278824753 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how commonly used it is < 1278824775 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you don't like it to be a keyword, you can write #define restrict restrict_ < 1278824796 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1278824801 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: it's for an important reason, it makes C99 as expressive as FORTRAN < 1278824813 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the numerical calculations people were looking for something to migrate to < 1278824815 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I mean rather than having < 1278824818 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and C99 had a few changes to appease them < 1278824829 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: ah, with _Restrict the keyword? < 1278824833 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1278824857 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not a fan of the C committee because of that < 1278824909 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason they did all the legwork of making C90 code work, and then they missed an obvious point. < 1278825034 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1278825165 0 :CakeProphet!~adam@h74.52.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1278825366 0 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1278825398 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1278825440 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that I have TeX, maybe it means I can make a file for Icoruma and Icochash to send output to TeX file, as well < 1278825482 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every time you pick up a club card you have to say "It has three dots!" and then be crazy. < 1278825498 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1278825556 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1278826039 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1278826041 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1278826101 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1278826349 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wooooh < 1278826355 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got new ties from SolidColorNeckties.com! < 1278826367 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is like my favorite bizarrely-specific site EVARS! < 1278826388 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I have so much trouble finding solid-colour ties < 1278826392 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may have to look at that site < 1278826409 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't decide if you're kidding or not X-D < 1278826419 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you're not, I highly recommend it! < 1278826447 0 :Zuu!zuu@0x55529f1b.adsl.cybercity.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1278826447 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1278826447 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1278826449 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have: Lime green (this thing will BURN RETINAS), purple, and now pink and peacock blue - ALL OF THEM ARE AWESOME. < 1278826454 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'm not < 1278826457 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually a difficult thing to find in stores. They prefer somewhat shitty patterns. < 1278826461 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I normally go for shades of blue < 1278826467 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You like eye-burning don't you. < 1278826470 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I DO! < 1278826504 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pink ties are important < 1278826529 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(http://www.mathsoc.uwaterloo.ca/images/logo.jpg should explain why) < 1278826532 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have ... uhh, three ... more than I have pink shirts to wear them with, but then I usually pair pink ties with purple, or green if I'm feeling like murder. < 1278826541 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OHYEAH < 1278826545 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember the Waterloo pink ties! < 1278826601 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'm not sure whether I want to stab you or high-five you for the idea of green and pink. < 1278826608 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: remember? < 1278826627 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Last time I wore a pink tie to a conference people asked if I was from Waterloo :P < 1278826630 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I went all "huh?" < 1278826653 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ah < 1278826705 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Green and pink, plus I have an AWESOME sort of electric blue hat (not yet on the hat site since I bought it this summer) to go with it! < 1278826713 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an outfit that LITERALLY KILLS PEOPLE. < 1278826719 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK maybe not. < 1278826723 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's pretty awesomebad :P < 1278826727 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pics or it didn't happen < 1278826733 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: you're one of the few people likely to turn up in this channel that could actually pull that off < 1278826737 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is actually laughing out loud. < 1278826761 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30595531&l=c65d70c86e&id=1055580469 closest I have a picture of < 1278826773 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's actually not that bad < 1278826809 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to laugh at the speed with which I brought up a green-and-pink combo picture :P < 1278826821 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah yes, my bad style is known far and wide! I didn't even take that picture :P < 1278826836 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: That's a pink-on-yellow tie you know. < 1278826848 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1278826848 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Which CA was that again? < 1278826853 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That tie is pink-on-other-shade-of-pink < 1278826856 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's 30 < 1278826862 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1278826863 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: actually, green and blue is considered the worst color combo around < 1278826868 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CA? < 1278826870 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least green and pink has a shock factor to it < 1278826872 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :green and blue just looks bad < 1278826880 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Cellular automaton. < 1278826883 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1278826884 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't usually combine green and blue :P < 1278826901 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I try to go for either actually matching fairly well, or mismatching so horribly nobody can possibly think it wasn't intentional. < 1278826903 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Depends on the shades of blue and the context. < 1278826918 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: well, yes < 1278826925 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Typical clothing colors, though? < 1278826928 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh. < 1278826933 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant clothing < 1278826945 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh that's it. Now I have to wear a green shirt with a blue tie tomorrow :P < 1278826947 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*rummages* < 1278826948 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1278826959 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Congrats on defeating the dress code. < 1278826975 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1278826981 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, the tie in that photo is easily the best tie ever. < 1278827007 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly. < 1278827009 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.zazzle.com/rule_30_tie-151512244542121452 OMG SO MUCH AWESOME < 1278827039 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the recommended ties < 1278827064 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh pff at you :P < 1278827075 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: http://www.zazzle.com/classy_rule_110_tie-151952160559470088 This is actually a good-looking tie. < 1278827113 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody in this channel recommended I make that after I showed the yellow-and-dark-purple rule 110 tie. < 1278827117 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I totally don't wear black ties. < 1278827119 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's rife with lame. < 1278827254 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wears a cyan tie in AW < 1278827282 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aardvark Wagon < 1278827316 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I repeat the necrophilia comment < 1278827343 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, you going to keep repeating that comment even after it's stale and dead? < 1278827356 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently. < 1278827359 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1278827366 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that case I can toootally still call you pooppy. < 1278827370 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that's how I feel < 1278827383 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that someone quoted me is irrelevant, imo < 1278827424 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION was trying to make a joke :/ < 1278827434 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Have you considered bow ties? < 1278827441 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have exactly one bow tie. < 1278827445 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's purple and gold. < 1278827451 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in spite of the fact that it's awesome, *eh* < 1278827471 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wear with top hat. < 1278827476 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the number one reason to wear a necktie is to have a brightly-colored arrow pointing at one's crotch at all times. < 1278827479 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a bow-tie just doesn't do it. < 1278827520 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I repeat, wear with top hat. < 1278827540 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard you the first time :P < 1278827544 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FINE < 1278827553 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEN WHY ARENT YOU RIGHT NOW < 1278827556 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next time the top hat is voted for (which will be in late-August at the earliest) I'll wear the bow tie. < 1278827564 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because my top hat is 2,000 miles away :P < 1278827565 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALSO, CLEARLY THE TOP HAT IS THE BEST HAT < 1278827573 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not my top hat :( < 1278827579 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My top hat is showing its age. < 1278827584 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a new one, but they're all so damned expensive. < 1278827593 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but it is the best kind of hat. < 1278827614 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I disagree and cite the fez. < 1278827631 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, okay. I'll grant you that. < 1278827635 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1278827639 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, the top hat is a highly awesome hat. < 1278827639 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is LIKE a top hat. < 1278827653 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you can wear it in formal contexts and be *perfectly* valid in doing so! < 1278827671 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm never in formal contexts :P < 1278827690 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if I was, I would be exactly to code while actually being crazy and flamboyant and totally not formal at all. < 1278827690 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also just look awesome with it. < 1278827706 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hair down, green striped jacket with a yellow shirt and pink tie and a red fez! < 1278827709 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now THAT'S formal! < 1278827720 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternately, wear white tie formal dress. < 1278827733 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: only if you have money to spare. Needs tailoring.) < 1278827771 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I think I'm going to wear blankets. < 1278827774 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :While sleeping? < 1278827783 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll note that I'm a fan of archaicisms. ;) < 1278827791 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only no blankets because it's friggin' hot in here. < 1278827793 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*zzz* < 1278827805 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Atat%C3%BCrk_in_white_tie.jpg And you cannot deny that this looks more awesome than a tux. < 1278827977 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to update his mental model of awsistors to reflect the fact that they reside in multiple universes that can interact < 1278828586 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1278828623 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically you need a more awsome model? < 1278828788 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1278828861 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1278828865 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1278828999 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you have to learn this game too http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/mzx1/ASCMZXTO/screen.png or perhaps you prefer the sequel game? The sequel game even has some self-referencing and talking tree and talking spider, and library with top secret basement, globe you spin and find country nobody has ever heard of, and other stuff but sequel game is not finished being made yet < 1278829229 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crap, I accidentally pasted part of a legal document into a chat room < 1278829298 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What type of legal document was it? Is that secret? < 1278829325 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was something that I don't think should have been revealed to the world. I don't _think_ it needed to be top secret, but I'm not sure < 1278829415 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't sleep. Clowns will eat me. < 1278829421 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just told my dad, he's mostly worried about the fact that my last name was in there < 1278829454 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keep us apprised of all developments in this matter. < 1278829542 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you play a strange time signature 54/32 and playing 12 notes at once < 1278829566 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That reminds me, what's the difference between 4/4 and 2/2? < 1278829624 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Technically there is no difference. But the implication of using 2/2 is that you should be keeping two beats per measure, not four. < 1278829639 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of like how 6/8 is two beats per measure, even though it's mathematically equivalent to 3/4's three beats. < 1278829813 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6/8 is called compound time, so you count differently. But the same amount of notes fill up a bar as 3/4 it is same as same fractional < 1278829847 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't I just say that? :P < 1278829873 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost < 1278829894 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But 6/8 is like two groups of three < 1278830071 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 12/8 is four groups of three 8-D :P < 1278830912 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1278830948 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1278831002 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now play this music http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/img4/Death_waltz.jpg < 1278831023 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O < 1278831031 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, the Death Waltz. < 1278831048 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Arranged by Accident" < 1278831237 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely it can be done by computer < 1278831249 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1278831267 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that music does not make /sense/ < 1278831294 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as the bar with three clefs; one in 66/66 time, one in 66/1 time, and one in 1/66 time < 1278831344 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once heard a professed performance of it. < 1278831359 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gradually become agitated" < 1278831361 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, of something that consisted of all invalid portions of musical notation removed before performance. < 1278831382 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still: it's a freaking joke. < 1278831388 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gx02KOGhjes ? < 1278831391 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"release the penguins" < 1278831413 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n/m < 1278831414 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Please change the title, since this is not John Stump's "Faerie's Aire and Death Waltz". < 1278831414 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an arrangement of the beloved theme of Flandre Scarlet from a Touhou game, and the arranger tried to approach John's musical joke piece in terms of complexity and note density (and got quite close). < 1278831415 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the title is still wrong." < 1278831415 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I believe that is actually valid. < 1278831417 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what did it sound like? < 1278831423 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah < 1278831426 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Double-double sharps. Repeat marks with nothing to repeat. Twenty-three notes at once. Extremely wide dynamics. Different time signatures in different voices. Different key signatures in different voices. < 1278831430 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Insanity. < 1278831445 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I linked is still fun < 1278831450 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1278831517 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Faeries-aire.gif Better copy. < 1278831571 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes that is a better copy < 1278831573 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Play ball! < 1278831610 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I'm reminded vaguely of Desert Bus < 1278831631 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/img_0E/deathwaltz2.jpg < 1278831639 0 :Halph!~coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1278831654 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders how possible it would be to capture the notes without the.. nonsense < 1278831720 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1278831720 0 :Halph!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :coppro < 1278831735 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is now known as necrophile < 1278831752 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1278831797 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lostinthecloud.wordpress.com/2010/03/13/john-stump-composer-of-faeries-aire-and-death-waltz/ < 1278831804 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the guy's nephew. < 1278831860 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1278831944 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat < 1278831950 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love the Motoring Accident < 1278831972 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it playable? < 1278831974 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Tis nice. < 1278831990 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Not on the instruments it asks for. < 1278832043 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have never seen key signatures with double-flats (or double-naturals) before < 1278832101 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This is actually unplayable" < 1278832108 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can any of it be played on computer? < 1278832131 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Some of it could < 1278832143 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O at "Start Over" < 1278832147 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parts. < 1278832173 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, you could get all the notes in. < 1278832181 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1278832186 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just cacaphony. < 1278832216 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you couldn't get the instructions though < 1278832238 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely you could make a video though.. < 1278832238 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do like that it ends with "I've got blisters on my fingers". < 1278832284 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although only a computer could switch violins in a sixteenth-rest) < 1278832301 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkjX7Q-b1IM <3 the comments < 1278832312 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: ... Or have a chord spanning multiple octaves. On a violin. < 1278832323 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it's not a solo < 1278832330 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't you read the text? < 1278832342 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Ah right. < 1278832354 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still too few instruments. < 1278832367 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a really good score should have all sorts of implausible requests for the instruments too < 1278832374 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCgT94A7WgI < 1278832379 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "the violin must be played with a crowbar at this point" < 1278832400 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Use the most expensive violin that exists at the time of this performance." < 1278832419 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Followed by "Smash the violin. You're a rock star now." < 1278832433 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, I don't like mindless vandalism < 1278832445 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you are a 2nd Violinist, please do not use a 1st Violin. Use the 2nd Violin you were issued." < 1278832445 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about "fold this score into an origami drum and hit it as follows:" < 1278832453 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1278832458 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*"Wet reed" < 1278832466 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Okay, okay. < 1278832477 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one sounds difficult on a violin < 1278832500 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Flip page upside down and continue playing from the new top of page." < 1278832510 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Bach actually wrote a piece like that < 1278832513 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the the giant notes to be played mezzoforte < 1278832515 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it was the same both ways up < 1278832521 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Nice. < 1278832525 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, there's fortemezzopiano < 1278832552 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the frog < 1278832564 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frog should be an instrument. < 1278832584 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, which song are we on? < 1278832597 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, the score should also have a TC control structure, shouldn't it? < 1278832598 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same one < 1278832607 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a Minor (Motoring Accident) < 1278832610 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"swap your instrument with the player to the right, then repeat if you just played a c" < 1278832688 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes < 1278832707 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :repeat marks should happen in different places for different players, too < 1278832725 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Instant round! < 1278832729 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's true < 1278832744 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that seems like something a shrewd composer would actually do < 1278832792 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I missed the Death Waltz bit where the upper staff gets a note below the bottom staff on ledger lines :D < 1278832797 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :insane music might work better looking vaguely plausible than implausible < 1278832814 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: How's about having an RNG determine where you go to for a coda? < 1278833018 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Three string instruments, one tuned to 12-TET, one to 12-JI, one to Bohlen-Pierce, and one person plays the typewriter as a music instrument. Some notes have to be sustained for five years. Some notes are out of range. Some notes you have to play differently depending whether or not it is leap year. One guy has to commit suicide half way through but still has to continue playing the music. < 1278833034 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1278833088 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also like the things about the crowbars, and about flipping the music. < 1278833100 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1278833139 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm liking the mezzopianofortemezzoforte. < 1278833152 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to put blisters on your fingers to play this music. < 1278833169 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Sounds very much like Helter Skelter. < 1278833209 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: see the last one on that page < 1278833226 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just about performable. < 1278833272 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though the last note goes off the page. < 1278833282 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On ledger lines. < 1278833315 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Add additional Italian notations having nothing to do with music, such as "ragno" or "scopone" < 1278833341 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Molto burro al crema. < 1278833366 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only people whose last name is not starting with "K" is allowed to play this music. < 1278833420 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, very nice touch. < 1278833445 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The back of In A Minor (Motoring Accident) is a designated drawing area for violaists. < 1278833468 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On statutory holidays you can be given an exception, but only if the first letter of your first name is not a F with three dots directly above it. < 1278833616 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 17.25th soloist must be a big monster (not human) if this is impossible you must skip directly to the 17.26666666665th frame. < 1278833644 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1278833665 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The last note of the entire piece of music is too loud that anyone hearing it will die or something < 1278833679 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the first one is too quiet you don't know if you started yet or not < 1278833691 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1278833788 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to throw the dice to determine whether or not the conductor switches places with the first violinist or whether the pianist must now play an anvil instead. < 1278833851 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's the latter if and only if the result of the 17 dice thrown (with sides in the Fibbonacci series, starting from 3) is prime) < 1278833853 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After 1/sqrt(2) of the way through, everyone must sing in different languages that nobody else knows. < 1278833858 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude and the last hope? < 1278833946 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, hm? < 1278834296 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1278834321 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tune should have volumes measured in megabels < 1278834336 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1278834390 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I.. which tune? I don't see anything in Prelude and the last hope < 1278834416 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: we were discussing hypothetical silly music < 1278834421 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1278835199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1278835200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1278835458 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1278835487 0 :coppro!~coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1278837339 0 :Axtens!~Bruce@CPE-121-221-212-42.lns7.pie.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1278837470 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-38-246.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1278837483 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1278837495 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu < 1278837669 0 :Axtens!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1278838118 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-14-211.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1278838318 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have decided to use spivak on IRC, all over. < 1278838319 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1278838453 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spivak is generally awesome < 1278838524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1278838539 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reply to that: "it is" or "ey is"? < 1278838551 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, should I be gender neutral or completely neutral < 1278838553 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, ^ < 1278838583 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say "he" since the gender is known < 1278838594 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I much prefer "e" to "ey" < 1278838611 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, I can't figure out how to pronounce "e" < 1278838611 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1278838617 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ee" < 1278838619 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said all over < 1278838624 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even when gender is known < 1278838626 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it because it is like "he" and "she" < 1278838641 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, hm < 1278838641 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so I can use them in conversation without people really noticing < 1278838669 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, well I couldn't because I speak Swedish in general :P < 1278838674 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1278838676 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and on irc people still notice < 1278838713 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also I pronounce "em" like in "get 'em" < 1278838722 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1278838725 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cya < 1278838920 0 :Wamanuz3!~wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1278840272 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: I am leaving. You are about to explode. < 1278841990 0 :mappu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: bye < 1278842193 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-213-40.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1278842284 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1278843995 0 :relet!~thomas@c905DBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1278844778 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1278846224 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1278846249 0 :myndzi!myndzi@c-24-19-39-178.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1278847105 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: I'm using NO SCRIPT WHATSOEVER - Download it at file:///dev/null < 1278847820 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1278847869 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1278848042 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1278851371 0 :hiato!~nine@41-133-204-235.dsl.mweb.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1278851768 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why ain't alise here < 1278851775 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is she < 1278851779 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is fucking ridiculous < 1278852169 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan isn't here either < 1278852169 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1278852383 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: underflow < 1278852650 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1278854941 0 :hiato!~nine@41-133-205-46.dsl.mweb.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1278855126 0 :augur_!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1278855127 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1278855245 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :augur < 1278855618 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: good point about alise < 1278855624 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise is usually here on weekends < 1278855632 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps the bigbads discovered the iphone < 1278856044 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1278856129 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: food < 1278856514 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1278856534 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1278856539 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :she would've been home by now < 1278856544 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and has a computer at home < 1278856567 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: i'm thinking she got canned for good < 1278856649 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes true < 1278856659 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :canned for good ey < 1278856672 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :noo alise's mother is pretty hardcore against that i think < 1278856817 0 :aschueler!~alec@host86-131-213-11.range86-131.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1278856824 0 :CakeProphet!~adam@h206.23.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1278858709 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : canned for good ey <-- was that "ey" spivak or a strange variant of "yeah" or such? < 1278858817 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a faux canadianism < 1278858854 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, meaning= < 1278858857 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/=/?/ < 1278858923 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning nothing < 1278858924 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1278858929 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1278859517 0 :NIR[f]!~root@pppoe-44-053.prtcom.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1278860111 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-213-40.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1278860337 0 :alise463!~alise463@91.105.76.250 JOIN :#esoteric < 1278860377 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dell Latitude CPt V466GT, sporting a 463MHz Pentium Pro Celeron CPU, 64 megs of RAM and ... Windows XP Service Pack 2?! < 1278860413 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On 64 megs? That's impressive. < 1278860423 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have /no idea/ how slow this thing is. < 1278860431 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was fineish on 128. < 1278860438 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, sure, it's working smoothly one minute, then you switch windows and suddenly it hates you. < 1278860445 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :System Information? That's a high-end application, my friend. < 1278860507 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Did I mention I'm connected via WiFi? Yeah... this thing has a "Designed for Microsoft Windows NT / Windows 98" sticker on it, a serial port, no Ethernet port, and a PCMCIA card slot. < 1278860522 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1278860526 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it was running Windows 95. < 1278860531 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am so awesome. < 1278860567 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I couldn't even get an ancient version of Knoppix to do anything in less than ten seconds. < 1278860580 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An Ubuntu LiveCD from 2005 just refused to do ... anything. < 1278860588 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unsurprising. < 1278860590 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it beeps and refuses keys often. 2-key rollover, baby. < 1278860598 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Three keys is just too much for its tiny little brain. < 1278860678 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, uh, what else ... oh yeah, I battled with my router for, like, ever. One of them -- the one that was configured to use WiFi -- would allow me to make 1, on a good day, connection, then cut it off and not work until I /reset all settings/. < 1278860680 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So ... fuck that. < 1278860691 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1278860698 0 :MizardX!~MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1278860707 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it's likely someone was a bit worried by my absence; sorry, it's just that using a modern computer to get this working would be *cheating*. < 1278860723 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, uh, anyone have any tips for slimming down XP without reinstalling? < 1278860742 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't slim it down to be usable on 64M, I'm pretty sure. < 1278860760 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, it's running mIRC. < 1278860769 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: And I have /free/ /memory/. < 1278860783 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you *believe* that? < 1278860795 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WWell, okay, it is using 109 megs of the pagefile. < 1278860797 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure; it doesn't disk-cache the way Linux does. < 1278860797 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Well < 1278860804 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or if it does, it doesn't show it in the memory usage. < 1278860839 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And CPU usage is only 2-4%. < 1278860843 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is almost all defaults. < 1278860853 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I disable a lot of services -- use XPlite -- can't be so bad, can it? < 1278860868 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Why", a decent question, butQ! < 1278860870 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*but! < 1278860882 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll still be slow to switch windows etc, most likely. < 1278860943 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise463: I seem to recall you were looking for me the other day; was this for some particular reason, or just to tell me how weird I allegedly look? < 1278861002 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The latter. Although the dream's memory is now fuzzy, I still have a pretty good mental image. < 1278861067 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Your skin colour was -- not black, not brown, but ... dark grey, in a way, with hints of brownness/blackness. You were bald, I think. Quite bulky, but not especially fat. You were wearing sunglasses, I think, and brightish clothes: white, not particularly coloured. You said hi then said you were going to call your wife: you then talked on your phone about pizza in a high-pitched, < 1278861070 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically feminine voice. < 1278861078 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is, apparently, the Finnish accent. < 1278861091 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soyeah < 1278861125 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Uh." < 1278861141 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd probably not look out of place in one of the Matrix sequels. Which is always a bad sign. < 1278861156 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol looks sort of like Ron Weasely or however you spell it. < 1278861165 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thought you might all want to know. < 1278861202 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I'm a bit disappointed I spent this entire weekend messing with this computer instead of programming. < 1278861208 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another seven days to wait... < 1278861215 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More credible observers (i.e. people who've actually seen me) have told me I do have a weird sort of voice, but I don't think I look especially special. < 1278861258 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I have actually seen you. IN A DREAM. < 1278861276 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I presume Deewiant probably looks similar, except slimmer and he probably has whitish hair. < 1278861295 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Admittedly this was /not/ my mental image of you, and I sort of tried to get away from you as quickly as possible. < 1278861298 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You were creepy. :| < 1278861323 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise463: IIRC what fizzie looks like you're wrong on both counts < 1278861361 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Reading as s/whitish/lighter/; anyway my hair is dark brown) < 1278861419 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:22:11 * Sgeo__ is considering taking Winforms programming < 1278861419 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:22:16 Will this poison my brain? < 1278861426 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why ask? You'll take it anyway; you're just looking for reassurance. < 1278861433 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I'm correct on EVERY. ACCOUNT. < 1278861442 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is what fizzie looks like. < 1278861444 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, whitish as in actually white. < 1278861546 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:30:37 AnMaster: From a spelling you see in some fantasy works that want to feel that magick is special there < 1278861553 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or aleister crowley or however the hell you spell his name :p < 1278861574 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@75-151-73-57-Spokane.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1278861597 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1278861645 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise463, where are you? < 1278861647 0 :NIR[f]!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1278861648 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :considering the sucky system < 1278861795 0 :bab!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1278861873 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: w < 1278861877 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here i always am on weekends -- home < 1278861881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1278861883 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*where < 1278861886 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise463, you were missing yesterday < 1278861897 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. Because I was trying to get this to work. < 1278861905 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise463, why on earth < 1278861911 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise463, even your netbook is better iirc? < 1278861915 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, because I need to. < 1278861925 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Well, this has a bigger screen, a usable keyboard and a clit mouse. < 1278861929 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise463, what is wrong with your mac then? < 1278861940 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing. I don't use my mac either most of the time. < 1278861944 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1278861946 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I broke this so I had to get it working again. < 1278861949 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was playing with it because why not? < 1278861955 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1278861959 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As to why I have it, creative manipulation for the purpose of shits and giggles: < 1278861978 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1278861988 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Scene: Unit.] TEACHER: Here, look at the stuff on this USB stick over the weekend [hands USB stick with windows program on, displaying work and shit] < 1278862009 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ME: But teacher, all the computers I have at home are Macs! They will not run that program. [does not mention Linux for sheer having-to-explain-it-ness] < 1278862011 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TEACHER: Oh. Um. < 1278862018 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TEACHER: I have this old laptop... < 1278862022 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TEACHER: [takes it out, boots it] < 1278862028 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LAPTOP: Windows 95 -- Microsoft Internet Explorer < 1278862030 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1278862038 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ME: Yeah, I can get that working! [ha. ha. hahaha] < 1278862046 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1278862047 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TEACHER: I'm not just wasting your time with this am I? This will be useful? < 1278862050 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ME: Absolutely. < 1278862052 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise463, when did that happen? < 1278862056 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Friday. < 1278862059 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hah < 1278862079 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I managed to break the Windows install and that wouldn't be such a good idea what with Monday looming and all, so... < 1278862088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1278862089 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fixed it. < 1278862094 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That took a while; now here I am. < 1278862101 0 :wareya_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :wareya < 1278862112 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1278862135 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, let's see if that USB stick actually works. < 1278862204 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:03:40 Who wrote "my other car is a cdr" < 1278862204 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:03:43 WHO GETS A BEATING < 1278862208 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erik Naggum. He's dead. < 1278862218 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[awwwk-waaaard] < 1278862308 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1278862398 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Won't that just make the beating easier?) < 1278862585 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1278862585 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1278862689 0 :NIR[f]!~root@188.92.193.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1278862714 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1278862809 0 :aschueler!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1278862859 0 :alise463!~alise463@91.105.76.250 JOIN :#esoteric < 1278862931 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : coppro, well I couldn't because I speak Swedish in general :P < 1278862942 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you could use "hån" or something? < 1278862971 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "hän", that's the actual finnish < 1278863016 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan isn't here either < 1278863039 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we were off plotting against you. < 1278863193 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sneezing while eating is _not_ nice. in case you didn't know. < 1278863199 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:06:53 pikhq, hm what is 1 in base pi of pi is 10? < 1278863202 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 * pi^0 = 1 < 1278863222 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11 = (1 * pi^1) + (1 * pi^0) = pi+1 < 1278863225 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1,2,3,pi < 1278863231 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: did you end up with food in nose, snot in food, or both? < 1278863251 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :32 = (3 * pi^1) + (2 * pi^0) = (3*pi)+2 < 1278863256 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i managed to cover my mouth and keep most of it in. < 1278863272 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now -- what's 3.123 in base pi :D (3*pi)+(1/pi)+(1) < 1278863274 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1278863287 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now -- what's 3.123 in base pi :D (3*pi)+(1/pi)+(2 * (1/pi^2)) + (3 * (1/pi^3)) < 1278863340 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION imagines antropologists finding a tribe which _apparently_ can only count to 3 in natural numbers, but only because they use base pi < 1278863345 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*anthro- < 1278863403 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1278863487 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: base 2pi would be quite cool < 1278863507 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah then you could count to six < 1278863509 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what with radians < 1278863524 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which could be useful < 1278863543 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: /although/, base pi has a rather easy operation done by appending a 0 < 1278863593 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise463: oh and the anthropologists solve the tribe's counting problem by introducing them to biblical literalist missionaries < 1278863614 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1278863618 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ø = 10r < 1278863620 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so wait, how do we get 4 in base pi < 1278863621 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat :) < 1278863627 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1278863634 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :integers do get tricky in base-pi though < 1278863635 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise463: 11 you heathen scum! < 1278863640 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: degree sign fail < 1278863657 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise463: crossed circle == symbol for circumference < 1278863672 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably diameter though, nm :P < 1278863703 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but with decimals can we actually do it? < 1278863711 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise463: 3+1 < 1278863716 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course... < 1278863722 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, so what does it come out to :-) < 1278863729 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't < 1278863776 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat? < 1278863844 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it's pi.22... < 1278863910 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We don't have a pi digit, though. < 1278863917 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or do you mean 10.{22}, where {} is recurring? < 1278863941 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it cannot be recurring < 1278863951 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? < 1278863984 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant 10.22 followed by something < 1278863987 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that would be 2*(1/pi + 1/pi^2 + ...) = 2*1/(1-1/pi) which cannot be algebraic < 1278863990 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't calculate it further < 1278864012 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: haha, awesome. < 1278864059 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wouldn't be terribly surprising if it's actually impossible to represent any integer exactly < 1278864078 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's pretty surely representable with an infinite expansion < 1278864105 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: um, 0, 1, 2 and 3 < 1278864215 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, right :) < 1278864274 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :integers above pi then? < 1278864303 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ... I should write a program to figure it out, shouldn't I? < 1278864306 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are impossible with finite representation < 1278864329 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, I cba to turn on the computer, therefore I shall take the other laptop -- that isn't shit -- to a more comfortable place to code. < 1278864348 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shall be seeing y'all thar. < 1278864372 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the same kind of transcendentality reason, any finite representation is an integer polynomial in pi < 1278864387 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1278864398 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pi and 1/pi < 1278864476 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the polynomial has a non-constant term that cannot be algebraic < 1278864495 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1278864748 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I guess this also applies for any transcendental bases? (e.g. base-e too) < 1278864754 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say if you have pi^3 + 2 + 1/pi + 3/pi^2 = x, then multiply by pi^2 to get pi^5 + 2*pi^2 - x*pi^2 + pi + 3 = 0 < 1278864775 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if x is rational that is a contradiction. < 1278864793 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1278864793 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or IS it < 1278864823 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is, pi is not the root of a nontrivial polynomial in rationals < 1278864848 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok why doesn't ubuntu recognise this < 1278864851 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: or IS it < 1278864918 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i _think_ x cannot even be algebraic but i don't see that clearly at the moment < 1278864936 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Indeed, Seth Gold. < 1278864947 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seth Gold. G-O-L-D, Seth. Sgeo: Seth Gold. Seth "Sgeo" Gold. < 1278864955 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wrt: last name) < 1278864975 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm you prove that by inserting pi^3 + 2 + 1/pi + 3/pi^2 into any polynomial x would be root of, i think < 1278865060 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit someone make this work < 1278865118 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION would like his nose back < 1278865127 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: wait what < 1278865150 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's all congested. < 1278865182 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: hey fix my wifi issue < 1278865196 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it's probably BP's fault < 1278865232 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Maybe. < 1278865242 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise463: MAGIIIIC! < 1278865286 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1278865300 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: bn < 1278865305 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it modern ubuntu modern computer why no < 1278865306 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :work < 1278865350 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Won't that just make the beating easier?) < 1278865363 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is _naggum_ we're talking about. i wouldn't bet on it. < 1278865386 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise463: The only thing worse than WiFi on Linux is WiFi on Windows. < 1278865445 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: HOW CAN I MAKE THIS /WORK/ < 1278865453 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAKE IT WORK FUCKSHITTING FOO < 1278865463 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Later < 1278865628 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it no work !! < 1278865819 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;k < 1278865829 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: explain how the hell /ethernet/ won't work on linux < 1278865832 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THERE IS NO ETHERNET DEVICE. < 1278865834 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JUST WHAT. < 1278865891 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise463: AAAAAGH AAAAAGH AAAAGH < 1278865903 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRAY UNTO WHATEVER GODS YE HAVE < 1278865917 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IF YOU DONT HAVE A GOD GET ONE < 1278865921 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it /works with windows 7/ < 1278865932 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a /mainstream, *sane* laptop/ < 1278865933 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY IS THIS. < 1278865937 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuckfuckfuckwhatfuckfuck? < 1278865963 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fixitfixitfixitfixitfixit < 1278865979 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It is a toshiba satellite FIX IT < 1278865985 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UBUNTU 9.10 DFIX IT < 1278866045 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise463: APTGET INSTALL SMART < 1278866056 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: THERE NO "SMART" PACKAGE!!! < 1278866060 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND IT SHOULD BE APT-GET NOT APTGET AAAAAA < 1278866077 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE WHAT IS THE WHAT OF THE FUCK , I WANT TO PROGRAM -- - NOT USE . ; THIS - WINDOWS TO PROGRAM - IS NO < 1278866105 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make it work forever now thansk < 1278866111 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coLinux? < 1278866119 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i want ubuntu it is coo l < 1278866135 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coLinux can run Ubuntu just fine. < 1278866147 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's nothing more than a Linux kernel running in Windows kernelspace. < 1278866154 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thereby using Windows as the world's largest Linux driver. < 1278866157 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DUN XCARE < 1278866165 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WANT A NATIVE BUNTU < 1278866166 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WANT NO WINNOWS < 1278866293 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaa a make it work < 1278866347 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :realtek 8172 please work it < 1278866371 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Wait, seriously? < 1278866378 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're having trouble with one of those? < 1278866382 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT THE FUCK < 1278866400 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make it work :(( I'd google but can't, "realtek 8172 ubuntu wifi"?? plz < 1278866457 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait is that a wifi? I could have sworn I had a PCI ethernet card with a chipset with a name like that ages ago < 1278866460 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't even have the .,... urgh < 1278866465 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even care if its wifi < 1278866467 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just want it to work < 1278866472 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1278866481 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is fucfkin < 1278866481 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g bullshit < 1278866485 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise463, to me it sounds like ethernet. < 1278866486 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why can't ubuntu handle, like, every ethernet ever. < 1278866491 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even care just jesus christ. < 1278866493 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ethernet. < 1278866496 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1278866497 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking simple. < 1278866498 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :support it. < 1278866499 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or die < 1278866503 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google seems to indicate it is wifi < 1278866515 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :support. or. die. < 1278866517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise463, stop whining. It will not do help in any way whatsoever < 1278866519 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ethernet. Dammit! < 1278866524 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no, i'm pissed off. < 1278866533 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it irritates you, which is a function in and of itself. < 1278866550 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Hey, write an OS which does Ethernet. Thanks. < 1278866552 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise463, actually google indicates it is wifi. I think the ethernet I remember must have had a similar number < 1278866575 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu indicates there is no eth0! What! < 1278866581 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise463, try iwconfig < 1278866585 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see if there is any wlan0 < 1278866588 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise463: lspci! < 1278866589 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't need wlan0. < 1278866591 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need eth0. < 1278866594 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: 'tis listed. No driver, listed. < 1278866609 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise463, okay but realtek 8172 is wifi as far as I can tell from googling < 1278866611 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is NOT ethernet < 1278866622 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does ethernet too surely. < 1278866633 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh who cares < 1278866635 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : i don;'t need ethernet < 1278866648 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug* < 1278866652 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"as of karmic [...] driver is missing" < 1278866657 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"realtek provides linux native driver" < 1278866665 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1278866673 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Permission granted to stab people, alise. < 1278866749 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so I have to install build-essential linux-headers-`uname -r`; extract tar to /usr/src or wherever. cp -rf firmware/RTL8192SE /lib/firmware. sudo make. then < 1278866767 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cp HAL/rt18192/r8192se_pci.ko /lib/modules/*/kernel/drivers/net/ < 1278866771 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sudo depmod -a < 1278866800 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :users\elliott\downloads < 1278866822 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i can do this < 1278866835 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what is it with drivers < 1278866842 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened to standards, why does wifi need drivers < 1278866843 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a protocol! < 1278866862 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck drivers. < 1278866895 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise463: Hardware manufacturers went "Fuck sanity, each device needs its own hardware interface. Oh, and we'll only offer Windows drivers. Because fuck you." < 1278866905 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have a fondness for pissing off their customers, if you'll note. < 1278866943 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well realtek offer linux drivers -- thx -- but why ubuntu < 1278866946 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you fails < 1278867038 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu clearly flails. < 1278867044 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They fail so hard they flail. < 1278867062 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they flails < 1278867227 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm now what < 1278867232 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1278867264 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: oki nao has iwconfig worky - but how connect proply? < 1278867279 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise463: Do you have a bat handy? < 1278867368 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye < 1278867380 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apply directly to the forehead! < 1278867382 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CONNECTG SIDOJFOIDSFJIOSDJFOISDF < 1278867431 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOD DAMNIT SINUSES WHY MUST YOU BE ENTIRELY FILLED < 1278867438 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I JUST WANT TO BREATH < 1278867444 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAXIMUM CAPACITY!!! < 1278867462 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise463: Fuck you I wanna breath. < 1278867493 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ULTIMATE CAPACITTTTTTTTYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY < 1278867495 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :capacititty < 1278867576 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay seriously hwyyy < 1278867576 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1278867652 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what is a command to scan for wifi? < 1278867742 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno. < 1278867783 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, seriously, why would i have a good interface with a driver ... that won't connect? < 1278867830 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise463: They lovelovelove their automagic shit there in Ubuntu. < 1278867846 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moop < 1278867849 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I presume that NetworkManager is arguing with you. < 1278867863 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no, it tries to connect < 1278867868 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it just goes < 1278867869 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bl;ehdisconnected < 1278867874 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1278867875 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how can i manu-connecto-supremo < 1278867880 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW < 1278867918 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DARKE ARTSE < 1278867923 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need a pint of chicken blood, a golden pentragram inlayed in the floor, and a firm disregard for the future status of your soul. < 1278867932 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but but but but butbubtubtubububtubububutbubububtubububt < 1278867936 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tublike < 1278867958 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TUBGIRL < 1278867963 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two girls one tub < 1278867969 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(girl) < 1278867977 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see! Maybe wrong driver drive driver wrong drive. < 1278868042 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O FORTUNA VELUT LUNA STATO VARIABILIS < 1278868047 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'''( < 1278868095 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello alise < 1278868101 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we thought you weren't gonna come < 1278868115 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur got like real scared < 1278868116 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, you did < 1278868121 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read the logs < 1278868121 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no he just said one line < 1278868125 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mr. hyperbole < 1278868132 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise463, i was totally scurred < 1278868146 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : cheater99: good point about alise < 1278868146 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : alise is usually here on weekends < 1278868146 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : perhaps the bigbads discovered the iphone < 1278868151 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you go < 1278868155 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur talkin' bout u < 1278868162 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PIE IESV DOMINE, DONA EIS REQVIEM. < 1278868164 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i have eyes < 1278868179 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not one line, alise < 1278868180 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ONE < 1278868181 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TWO < 1278868182 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOUR < 1278868232 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: GRACIOUS LORD JESUS, GRANT US REPRIEVE < 1278868247 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it still no work < 1278868252 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the fail < 1278868259 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise463: Try chants. < 1278868268 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alle ist brokin. < 1278868276 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can make some vaguely Zen ones for if you'd like. < 1278868279 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no seriously. make this work < 1278868331 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: MU IS NOT MU < 1278868333 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :無理だ、このものが。何故無理何故無理何故無理〜。 < 1278868350 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise463: What, 無は無じゃ無い? < 1278868357 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mu wa mu ja nai) < 1278868385 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Muri da, kono mono ga. Naze muri naze muri naze muri~.) < 1278868428 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no please just tell me how to make this work :| < 1278868495 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Repeat after me: There is no kernel but Linux, and Tux is its mascot. < 1278868506 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(seriously, I got nothing.) < 1278868513 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would just program on windows but ... no < 1278868537 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(本当に、考えが無い) < 1278868706 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: a 32-bit driver won't work on 64-bit kernel right? < 1278868760 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise463: Not even slightly. < 1278868908 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1278868978 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1278868982 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just make it work < 1278869246 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: okay seriously i need advice... < 1278869250 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this shoulo dbe simple! < 1278869564 0 :Gracenotes!~chatzilla@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1278869620 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1278869733 0 :alise463!~alise463@91.105.76.250 JOIN :#esoteric < 1278869739 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The secret is to be running on 4 hours of sleep. < 1278869745 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does this even happen# < 1278869754 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now is reinstalled and wifi won't ... enabl e < 1278869763 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*enable < 1278869917 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i will pay you to FIX EVERYTHING < 1278869961 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1278870039 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ok, i'm just reinstalling ubuntu < 1278870049 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hokay < 1278870058 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though 10.04 sucks d'y b'ls < 1278870063 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1278870193 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kill it with fyr' < 1278870292 0 :Gregor!836b416f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.131.107.65.111 JOIN :#esoteric < 1278870293 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just tried to upgrade Ubuntu from chroot on a livecd because 9.10 wouldn't boot up < 1278870305 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arkyval uf matireals is veri important. < 1278870316 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I no longer have a non-functional 9.10, I have a non-functional 10.04 < 1278870328 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9.10 was sweet < 1278870334 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10.04 is pooy. < 1278870350 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to get sleeker every release < 1278870365 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not the slickness i dislike < 1278870367 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you get used to it and notice the bloat < 1278870368 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that 10.04 is crap < 1278870369 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION <3 sidux < 1278870380 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: and how well exactly would sidux work with this wifi card out of the box? < 1278870384 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is my last day. < 1278870386 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not at all. < 1278870394 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sidux is for people who like to manually configure shit :P < 1278870412 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(No, that's slackware, but still the point stands) < 1278870422 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What card is it? Is it a broadcom? < 1278870440 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :realtek < 1278870446 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Then you're fucked. < 1278870449 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1278870453 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ubuntu 9.10 didn'[t work with it < 1278870456 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*didn't < 1278870644 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fopjio] < 1278870790 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god ill have to unetbootin it < 1278870806 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1278870867 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is unetbootin called unetbootin. < 1278870872 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems like a completely wrong name < 1278870879 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :universal netboot installer or something < 1278870885 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "You netbooting" < 1278870955 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's NOT a netboot installer. < 1278870974 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or IS it < 1278870976 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It makes USB drives, not PXE installers. < 1278871021 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or DOES it. < 1278871038 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes ... yes it does. < 1278871146 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or DOES it. < 1278871365 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you lazily unmount something? < 1278871539 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umount -f < 1278871557 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Marks the mount for unmounting, will actually do it when there's no open files. < 1278871574 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Specifically, I want every process to see it as unmounted, but it not to actually be unmounted since I need that shit. < 1278871583 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not unmounting until all the files are closed would work.) < 1278871595 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mount -f does just that. < 1278871600 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's removed from /etc/mtab. < 1278871600 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is because the Ubuntu installer is trying to unmount the partition it's on. < 1278871601 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, uh, yeah. < 1278871602 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC < 1278871674 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like thunderstorm approaching and I will be away from home, so shutting down, cya. < 1278871698 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: "Device busy! Waaah!" < 1278871708 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-213-40.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1278871710 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just removes it from /etc/mtab. < 1278871752 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise463: Which is probably a symlink to /proc/mounts < 1278871759 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Heh. < 1278871762 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what have I done :) < 1278871773 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm... Not sure? < 1278871780 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I broke. < 1278871786 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I managed this before < 1278871940 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1278872020 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It's umount -l, silly. < 1278872030 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise463: Ah. That. < 1278872034 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1278872133 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION uses username 'alise' on whim < 1278872138 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, it works. < 1278872197 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq < 1278872202 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq the installer crashed < 1278872221 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agh. < 1278872225 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dooooods < 1278872229 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umount -f is force :P < 1278872237 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it basically never works. < 1278872249 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Thinko kays? < 1278872606 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1278872616 0 :alise_!~alise463@91.105.76.250 JOIN :#esoteric < 1278872630 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, who knows how to work the grub rescue console? < 1278872695 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously ... < 1278872698 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who knows how@? < 1278872701 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*how? < 1278872905 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one. < 1278872907 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's black magic. < 1278872921 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is seriously not helpful. I just want to boot one partition. < 1278872979 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use http://gujin.sourceforge.net/ < 1278872988 0 :aschueler!~alec@host86-131-213-11.range86-131.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1278873029 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, open links on this machine. Real smart idea. < 1278873039 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better idea, someone please tell me the command to boot from some partition. < 1278873430 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1278873452 0 :alise463!~alise463@91.105.76.250 JOIN :#esoteric < 1278873475 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone? Help? < 1278873508 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq. You help. :P < 1278873570 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already helped. You were all "no I donwanna download that I'm ascared" so feh to you. < 1278873576 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't speak GRUB :P < 1278873595 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you proprose I use it? < 1278873612 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stick it on a USB key, floppy, CD-rom, or anything else your computer can boot from. < 1278873622 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then watch it detect all your partitions and kernels. < 1278873633 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No usb stick no cdrom orfloppy dribe < 1278873642 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf kind of computer is this? < 1278873646 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it have a punchcard slot? < 1278873675 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A modern lightweight laptop aND A person w/o a usb drive < 1278873694 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, the lack of USB disk is a personal failing :P < 1278873710 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1278873735 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: can you just google 'grub recovery console' plz? < 1278873748 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... you're on IRC and you can't google? < 1278873776 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :463mhz 64mb ram < 1278873781 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :winxp ie6 < 1278873803 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds fully google-capable to me. < 1278873810 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1278873823 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this thing barely runs < 1278873885 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-4-144.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1278873942 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/# < 1278873945 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You want to load a kernel image, or just chainload a bootsector from some partiton? < 1278873954 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :latter < 1278873955 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*:/ < 1278874018 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's something like "set root=(hd0,1)" followed by "chainloader +1" followed by "boot" to make it go. < 1278874026 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rootnoverify (hd0,0) < 1278874036 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chainloader +1 < 1278874039 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this is the recovery console < 1278874059 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no command chainloader < 1278874109 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::// < 1278874173 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Grub's command-line shell should use the same commands; I'm not sure (and can't immediately see from googling) about any special recovery things. < 1278874209 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry - < 1278874214 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Rescue" console. < 1278874267 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhh, that's a grub2 thing, it looks like. < 1278874280 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good to know. How do I work it? < 1278874352 0 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1278874357 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I is trying to check. < 1278874375 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last time I had a broken thing it was pre-2 ages. < 1278874486 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm. < 1278874499 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ls" lists the (hd#,#) things. < 1278874516 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The following commands can be used in the grub rescue mode: [list which contains "chainloader"] < 1278874520 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The web claims the "chainloader" command should be available in rescue mo... < 1278874522 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1278874535 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also complained about some missing file when starting the console. < 1278874541 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is there some ... super-fundamental command list? < 1278874563 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"error: file not found \n grub rescue>" < 1278874575 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boot cat chainloader dump exit kfreebsd kfreebsd_loadenv kfreebsd_module help initrd insmod linux lsmod multiboot normal rmmod set unset < 1278874584 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's oh-so-modular nowadays, maybe you need to find the chainloader from somewhere. < 1278874597 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If additional commands are needed, the user might try loading the normal GRUB 2 module with insmod normal. If successful, help and additional commands will be available. < 1278874618 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :insmod is available, "insmod normal" says file not found. < 1278874623 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You seem to need to insmod to get the linux command, for example. < 1278874625 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I see no ls in Deewiant's list... < 1278874634 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-213-40.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1278874635 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No lsmod. < 1278874654 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise463: I think that's just an omission, there are examples using it. < 1278874679 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. So ... any other commands? "ls" and a useless "insmod" are all I have. < 1278874687 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and set/unset. < 1278874704 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, /boot/grub no longer exists so I can't load anything. < 1278874708 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :File Not Found: This error is the result of a GRUB 2 installation to /boot but a Master Boot Record ( MBR ) which still contains Grub legacy. < 1278874710 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it was wiped. < 1278874710 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. < 1278874712 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To recover from this error, GRUB 2 must be reinstalled. Go to Reinstalling from the LiveCD for instructions. < 1278874716 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any [[idea]] < 1278874731 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Good, good ... I have no media to boot from. < 1278874744 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is my only resolve to... buy a USB stick? < 1278874744 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may be phucked < 1278874760 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without the grub modules to insmod, you might indeed be suckered. < 1278874899 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I for one would like to be the first to say welcome to the year 2010. < 1278874909 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now go buy a USB stick ;P < 1278874931 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Sunday, 19:01. < 1278874933 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: I'm not sure how you're going to get gujin onto it if your only system is so much suckage) < 1278874942 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise463: If you were in the US, that would be a nonissue. < 1278874943 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But no. < 1278874945 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other system is not suckage, this is my suckage system. < 1278874957 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other system is a very good, now-bricked, laptop. < 1278874964 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise463: I meant downloading gujin and putting it on the USB stick. < 1278874966 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brickiness implies suckage < 1278874976 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I could do that. < 1278874981 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now give me a USB stick. < 1278874989 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shoves one through his monitor. < 1278874998 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well ... I have one next to me. I could back it up to the HD. < 1278874999 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got three in my pocket, plus an SD reader that would do the trick too :P < 1278875000 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And restore it after. < 1278875001 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. < 1278875013 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'll have to disconnect to insert it. < 1278875088 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, come on, that computer is not from 1975. < 1278875124 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one usb port. < 1278875139 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you have ... a USB ethernet adapter connected to it now? < 1278875139 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: So how do I install gujin to a USB drive on windows. < 1278875149 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a USB wifi adaptor connected to it. < 1278875151 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has no ethernet ports. < 1278875157 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does have a PCMCIA 56k+Fax modem, though. < 1278875159 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I removed that. < 1278875161 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweet < 1278875171 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*adapter < 1278875180 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, gujin on Windows to USB. How. < 1278875197 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wants me to download dd for windows. < 1278875199 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lovely. < 1278875204 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it does. < 1278875209 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, NOW you can browse that page :P < 1278875232 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oh, and it doesn't haev a pre-built image for <1Gb USB sticks! < 1278875233 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: I've never done it from Windows :P ) < 1278875235 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*have < 1278875240 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweet! < 1278875242 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY FUCKED. < 1278875244 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well then you're punked. < 1278875276 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idonno, you could try grubbing around with gparted live or something.] < 1278875297 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And how would I write that? < 1278875309 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unzip to drive, run .bat file to make bootable. < 1278875316 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's 200MB though :P < 1278875324 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't download that at these speeds. < 1278875329 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figgered. < 1278875335 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is internet over USB 1.0. < 1278875354 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1278875368 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On a scale from one to ten, you're screwed. < 1278875384 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, can I just get a GRUB 1 console on a livecd? < 1278875384 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks. < 1278875396 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idonno, probably? < 1278875445 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. < 1278875503 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, okay, that probably. < 1278875505 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aurghhhjgoijdfogidfjgoifdg < 1278875601 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, seriously. Is there not just a Windows --- appli-- thingy usb writing .. bloody hell. < 1278876067 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1278876079 0 :alise463!~alise463@91.105.76.250 JOIN :#esoteric < 1278876494 0 :alise463!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1278877157 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1278877168 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1278877172 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1278877172 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1278877212 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Freenode's hostname blocking would be 100% more effective if it didn't do that :P < 1278877233 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah. < 1278877311 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1278877313 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I wonder what would happen if we had blocked, say, *!*@unaffiliated/* < 1278877318 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1278877324 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it's not a real quit/join < 1278877438 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well +b also silences user if they are on channel for some reason. < 1278877448 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1278877457 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1278877597 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1278877613 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1278877845 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-48-53.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1278877865 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you make any 'patamagic (or 'patapsionics) feats in D&D? < 1278877883 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is metamagic so now we have to make the other one, which is 'patamagic < 1278879268 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh, someone pinged me < 1278880466 0 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1278880737 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1278881779 0 :CakeProphet!~adam@h48.40.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1278883515 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... 1377.75s of fullHD video taking 393MB... < 1278883893 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"HD" refers only to resolution, not quality :P < 1278883958 0 :coppro!~coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1278884010 0 :kwertii!~kwertii@ResNet-33-73.resnet.ucsb.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1278884313 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, at least it isn't overcompressed. :-) < 1278884919 0 :NIR[f]!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1278885006 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1278885019 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1278885139 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so anyone remember bugSophia? < 1278885148 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I just got some new ideas to complete the design < 1278885176 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :involving message-controlled gates, and making the bugs finite state machines rather than only byte values. < 1278885253 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :message-controlled gates is essentially a form of blocking. But I need to figure out other ways to coordinate behavior < 1278885747 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK now do that < 1278886142 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1278886150 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the figuring out part, is the obstacle to that. < 1278887389 0 :kwertii_!~kwertii@ResNet-33-73.resnet.ucsb.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1278887495 0 :kwertii!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1278887496 0 :kwertii_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :kwertii < 1278888028 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1278888312 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay.. rewad my logs.. CakeProphet was the one who wanted to write an OS < 1278888315 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read < 1278888359 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: is that something you are still interested in? < 1278888564 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes actually. < 1278888638 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what programming languages do you know? < 1278888662 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or would you prefer to program the os in an esoteric one? < 1278888690 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1278888702 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1278888722 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1278888726 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to write an OS perhaps use 888ASM and/or C < 1278888729 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1278888796 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C is boring, everyone uses that for OSes < 1278888810 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then use 888ASM or machine codes < 1278888839 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or an esolang compiled to an asm < 1278888876 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, if you want to write it using esolang, you can try that too < 1278888907 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps write it in INTERCAL or whatever < 1278888992 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it would'nt have to be limited to a signle esolang < 1278889011 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just whichever we wrote compilers for < 1278889023 0 :relet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :malbolgeOS anyone? < 1278889052 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so relet has volunteered to write the filesystem layer in Malbolge < 1278889056 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1278889080 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I suppose you can use multiple esolangs. You can even mix esoteric programming with normal programming, mix compilers with interpreters, mix low-level with high-level, and mix machine-codes with not-machine-codes. < 1278889089 0 :relet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll see to it that the file access methods will be worthy of the language. ;) < 1278889124 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't write subroutines in Malbolge...? < 1278889153 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: ping < 1278889162 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You would have to make it a entirely separate program that is then linked to the machine I/O and to the other program < 1278889208 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trick would be a VM that did not require special I/O calls to operate < 1278889232 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean like ports, interrupt calls, etc < 1278889255 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: C, Python, and Haskell are the ones I am most fluent with < 1278889259 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka have real experience with < 1278889268 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I "know" others. < 1278889283 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lowest common denominator is usually some kind of text i/o < 1278889302 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think C will be somewhat essential if we intend to use other languages < 1278889319 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :making Haskell standalone would require some C coding < 1278889332 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. But then write the VM using something else, such as C or assembler codes < 1278889338 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: right < 1278889359 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I write operating system, from nothing, I use machine-codes and 888ASM and Forth. < 1278889378 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :essentally the VM would be a kind of translating micro kernel < 1278889393 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: OK < 1278889408 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah not going to code that in python :) < 1278889420 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you could code it in python for the fake version < 1278889488 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: so you want to put everything in a VM? I'm down with that. < 1278889490 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know about system calls in Python (not even text I/O), because I have never used any < 1278889515 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: yeah I talked you out of it before, but it is the way to go if we want to include esolangs < 1278889551 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: wouldn't have to worry about system calls.. since python would be running on top of windows or linux or whatever < 1278889555 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright. so what kind of VM? And what do you want to program it in? < 1278889578 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually with some esolangs it is not necessary, such as some variants of INTERCAL can be written to allow direct system call under no other operating system < 1278889595 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: true.. some esolangs are more powerful than others < 1278889642 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Even if running on top of Windows or Linux, you still need the call to get input from the keyboard, display things on the screen, store things in a file (even if it is only one file), and so on < 1278889651 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I would be good with programming the VM in Python and then porting it to a combo of C and ASM for the real hardware version < 1278889696 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: surely you've done all those things in python before.. < 1278889707 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: No I have not done any of those things in Python before < 1278889716 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :import os, sys < 1278889723 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: eh, I'd prefer something other than Python. < 1278889728 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have only written some card games in Python < 1278889737 0 :karmicalise!5b694cfa@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.76.250 JOIN :#esoteric < 1278889743 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yo. < 1278889744 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I don't know Haskell < 1278889749 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't plan to write anything else in Python since there are other program languages I can use, such as C < 1278889752 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1278889753 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Can you believe it? < 1278889757 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fucking got it working. < 1278889762 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am a GOD DAMN GENIUS. < 1278889768 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I like python.. it owns < 1278889772 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now if only you can working get it fucking. < 1278889772 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HAVE CONQUERED COMPUTERS. < 1278889780 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: It's a good language except for the fact that it sucks. < 1278889784 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Indeed, indeed :( < 1278889784 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: why not just start with C for the VM? No point implementing it twice. < 1278889786 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: I have nothing against you to like Python, if you want to use it that is OK < 1278889803 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: not really.. < 1278889803 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: you could do the assembly/C, and I could do C. < 1278889805 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just don't use Python for anything else other than writing some solitaire card games. < 1278889822 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1278889825 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: thefake vm would be relatively simple < 1278889830 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And later I might prefer to write a solitaire game engine in Forth instead, so that some solitaire card games can be implemented in Forth < 1278889835 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It was so awesome though, I got your bootloader thing onto the usb stick which I had to keep (backed it up to the shitty laptop), but it didn't work so it finally worked with one that included super grub disk < 1278889841 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used the grub command line to boot into windows < 1278889846 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :booted into the unetbootin < 1278889850 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then did, from the interwebs < 1278889857 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mount -l to get the mount options for /cdrom# < 1278889859 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*/cdrom < 1278889865 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umount -r -f -l /cdrom < 1278889871 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: the real vm would probably use bios calls at first although we could get fancier later < 1278889873 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then right after the install started, remounted /cdrom < 1278889874 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*brain axplote* < 1278889874 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerching! < 1278889894 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it needs /cdrom later it seems, for some reason; -r -f -l gotta fuck shit up -- but if it's mounted at the start it'll break by trying to unmount it) < 1278889903 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: and then ubuntu installed an actual bootloader and now everything is perfect. < 1278889924 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Put me in front of any computer and I will BREAK IT AND THEN FIX IT AGAIN. < 1278889940 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that I can write: GAME: G.FREECELL 4 FREECELLS 8 ROWSTACKS ['] S.FREECELL *ROWSTACK NO-WORRYING-BACK INIT> DEAL-ALL-CARDS ; < 1278889955 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No worrying back, man. < 1278889956 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: so you're saying it would be best to write a quick VM so we can go ahead and start other components of the OS and then go back and make it more efficient? < 1278889969 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd prefer Haskell for that. You should learn it. :) < 1278889984 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: have fun then :) < 1278889990 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, it /is/ possible to make Haskell standalone if you implement all of the libraries that it links to. < 1278890001 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worrying back is usually disallowed in Freecell. But worrying back is allowed in some other games. Worrying back is more common in Klondike < 1278890015 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is worrying back? < 1278890033 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suck at functional langs.. so you'd pretty much be on your own < 1278890035 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taking cards back from the foundations after they have already been played < 1278890058 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :God damn I upgraded the shittiest laptop ever to Windows XP and then managed to fix this bricked system with barely anything. < 1278890064 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\m/ < 1278890075 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows XP... FTL < 1278890089 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Yeah, but I needed something that could, you know... do USB. < 1278890092 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was on Windows 95. < 1278890100 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :463 MHz Pentium II Celeron, 64 MiB of RAM. < 1278890111 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Running Windows XP. < 1278890112 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: ah... so? What language would you prefer to use? I really don't prefer Python, I'm simply familiar with it. I'd rather learn a new language than use Python. < 1278890130 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :karmicalise: so you think windows is the only os that can use USB? interesting < 1278890135 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a USB driver for FreeDOS? But not many programs are written in DOS these days < 1278890149 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Then learn Forth? < 1278890157 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: It needed to run a Windows program. < 1278890160 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :None of this is my choice. < 1278890161 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Sounds good. :) < 1278890163 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is worth it to learn Forth even if later you decide you don't like it and don't want it anymore. < 1278890182 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sometimes use Forth for some of my own things. < 1278890202 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: what do you want to use though? Python? Nothing else for the first version? < 1278890215 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have gforth, but I have also written additional Forth interpreters for other uses such as TAVSYS and MegaZeux. < 1278890217 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I thik we're getting ahead of ourselves < 1278890221 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:26:28 [Scene: Unit.] TEACHER: Here, look at the stuff on this USB stick over the weekend [hands USB stick with windows program on, displaying work and shit] 07:26:49 ME: But teacher, all the computers I have at home are Macs! They will not run that program. [does not mention Linux for sheer having-to-explain-it-ness] 07:26:51 TEACHER: Oh. Um. 07:26:58 TEACHER: I have this old lapto < 1278890228 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first we need to define the VM asm < 1278890236 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. okay. < 1278890239 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:27:08 LAPTOP: Windows 95 -- Microsoft Internet Explorer 07:27:10 hah 07:27:18 ME: Yeah, I can get that working! [ha. ha. hahaha] 07:27:26 :-D 07:27:27 TEACHER: I'm not just wasting your time with this am I? This will be useful? 07:27:30 ME: Absolutely. < 1278890245 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't know what the unit is, that will make no sense. < 1278890245 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :register? stack? both? neither? :) < 1278890251 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'll assume you do, though you probably don't. < 1278890266 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Stack of registers. < 1278890278 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like a kind of ASM that has both stack and registers < 1278890283 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not registers of stacks? < 1278890287 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or that. < 1278890293 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Queue. :P < 1278890301 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe even two stacks < 1278890310 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1278890314 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a stack of registers of stacks. < 1278890315 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1278890329 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1278890345 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could probably write a full VM interpreter in Haskell actually... < 1278890369 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't be very hard at all. Would be more efficient than Python by far. < 1278890382 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forth systems have at least two stacks. Gforth has four (or is it five? I don't know), and TAVSYS has three (the third is the object stack). < 1278890395 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: It will be slower without judicious use of either strictness annotations or reasoning based on an understanding of Haskell's execution semantics. < 1278890398 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. < 1278890441 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :karmicalise: the latter is what I will use. :) < 1278890448 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Then I hope you have such an understanding. < 1278890456 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, pikhq, you glorious bastard: I intend to beat the shit out of your coreutils! < 1278890462 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell is going to be faster than Python... in almost every situation. < 1278890476 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :judicious use of strictness annotations would be if you are trying to rival C < 1278890519 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely using ASM and/or machine-codes is more faster (but only if you understand what you are doing!!) < 1278890527 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1278890538 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question wasn't which is faster, merely what language we wanted to use. < 1278890556 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell just /happens/ to be faster than Python. We could write the first VM interpreter in either. < 1278890575 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell is a lot more pathological than Python though; it's often hard to predict performance. < 1278890579 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Laziness can be poisonous. < 1278890617 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you use Haskell if you want the VM to be mathematically correct? < 1278890663 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/correct/provable/ < 1278890684 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, "provable" is what it is, I think < 1278890693 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :karmicalise: I'm not sure laziness will be a problem. There are strict versions of many data structures / monads that gain performance benefits from being strictly evaluated. < 1278890696 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Haskell doesn't make things much easier to prove with. < 1278890702 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a common misconception. < 1278890707 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't mean "easier to prove"! < 1278890710 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Well, naivety is a gift. :-) < 1278890734 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just mean provable. Just being provable doesn't mean it is easy to prove (or any easier than anything else) < 1278890765 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :karmicalise: I prefer not to prematurely optimize, especially when the first interpreter isn't intended to be the standalone. < 1278890778 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC Haskell has no formal semantics. < 1278890779 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Noble, but do watch out. < 1278890782 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To which I say "haw" < 1278890905 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Obviously it /has/ them, but I don't know that anyone's laid them out. < 1278890906 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: alright. So here's what I propose. We/you brainstorm a VM design, and then we write it up in whatever language (I'd prefer Haskell as it's what I'm currently working with, but I'm up for anything). Once we finish the first VM we can start playing around with it and changing the design before we build the low-level interpreter. < 1278890913 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like how Enhanced CWEB prints the line numbers? < 1278890928 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :karmicalise: ... that statement makes no sense. < 1278890946 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: admittedly, with Haskell, performance is harder to measure. But it can be done. < 1278890971 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a lazy VM sounds fun. :) < 1278890978 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not really worried about performance < 1278890987 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this will be a toy < 1278890995 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :karmicalise: I think Haskell has at least enough formal semantics to be provable, but maybe not more than that < 1278890996 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It doesn't. < 1278891035 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise the program would not run < 1278891046 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION bashes everyone. < 1278891053 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Formal semantics" != "semantics" < 1278891056 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: the only performance I'm worried about is actually getting code written.. if I'm trying to learn a new lang, that isn't going to help :) < 1278891062 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Formal semantics" = "semantics which have been formalized" < 1278891071 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lazy evaluation creates pathological memory consumption more so than computation time. < 1278891111 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Well, yes. < 1278891132 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell obviously /has/ a formal definition of its semantics. It's just as of yet unpublished. < 1278891156 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a "Hask" category < 1278891170 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really. :P < 1278891174 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not necessarily true. Subtle differences in the different implementations of Haskell could negate that (depend on whether such subtle differences exist). < 1278891177 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's defined inside Haskell, which is cheating. < 1278891183 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus, it's an awfully philosophical statement :P < 1278891190 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Only because you haven't specified which definition of "Haskell" you're using. < 1278891197 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you specify it exactly enough, all implementations are equivalent. < 1278891214 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: if you're like me, learning new languages isn't too hard. But what langage do you prefer? < 1278891224 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :English! < 1278891252 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: if you decide on a language you'd like to use, I'll work with it. < 1278891278 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, writing truly elegant C is ... difficult. < 1278891284 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I suppose I misspoke.. I can learn new langs.. but will I actually be productive in it? < 1278891329 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: and hat's kinda hard to predict :) < 1278891334 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: ah. yes. I suppose. It did take me a while to become productive in Haskell. Mostly the theoretical obstacles, but it turns out you can just ignore those and just call the relevant functions. :) < 1278891369 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mumble embodies everything wrong with Haskell mumble < 1278891372 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mumble. < 1278891387 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so 32-bit registers and 32-bit pointers, to make life easier? < 1278891393 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha. "everything wrong with Haskell". that's a large statement. < 1278891399 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :33-bit < 1278891403 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one better < 1278891409 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a bit better < 1278891410 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: sure. < 1278891426 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :precisely < 1278891427 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: NO MEAN 64-BIT IS THE NEW AGE THIS IS A ENTERPRISE OS. < 1278891435 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1278891437 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*man < 1278891458 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do both, along side each other < 1278891476 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18-bit < 1278891477 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I was going to suggest 16 bit :P < 1278891497 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've always be fond of 17½ bit < 1278891500 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha. whatever works. < 1278891511 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q: if(argc <= 1 || strcmp(argv[1], "-n")) -- confusing condition? < 1278891518 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The strcmp without a !, in particular. < 1278891535 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :888ASM is good for 16-bit progrma on x86, but there are currently some things missing it is not as good for 32-bit and no good at all for 64-bits. < 1278891552 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe make a sqrt(-4pi) bits operating system < 1278891579 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thankyou guys for the entertaining peanut gallery < 1278891588 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Boo! Booooo! < 1278891592 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :karmicalise: no. not confusing. well, maybe a little. < 1278891654 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strcmp occasionally throws me off because of ! < 1278891658 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If strcmp without ! is confusing, then you should make it so that it does special optimizations with bool type and then define the preprocessor macro < 1278891665 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's strcmp in general, not that condition. < 1278891688 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well exactly, people read "strcmp foo bar" and think foo==bar < 1278891690 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ! is just noise < 1278891744 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then write a preprocessor macro to help (if it does special optimiziations with bool), or make it clearly by writing !=0 after < 1278891769 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm, maybe. < 1278891772 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0, might be better. < 1278891796 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that won't work if it is negative < 1278891812 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C is not Game Maker! < 1278891824 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: so what's the plan? < 1278891844 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: sorry, been working on the asm < 1278891845 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The plan is plan nine-and-three-quarters < 1278891853 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does strcmp return negative values? < 1278891862 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1278891866 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-1,0,1 < 1278891881 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :karmicalise: it compares the two strings for lexical ordering < 1278891907 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strcmp is strCMP < 1278891944 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After I make the Enhanced CWEB meta-macro language, then perhaps we can see whether or not it can be written something like that to fix that < 1278891955 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't want that, just use !! instead < 1278891965 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And hope the optimizer works < 1278891973 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell [1..] >>= swap replicateM ['a'..'z'] < 1278891999 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse error: possibly incorrect indentation < 1278892001 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1278892004 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is being used in a boolean context so even if it doesn't use bool type, it should be OK for optimizer might be able to optimize if you put !! at front < 1278892022 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, you can write !!strcmp < 1278892028 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell import Control.Monad; main = print $ [1..] >>= swap replicateM ['a'..'z'] < 1278892030 0 :Oranjer!~HP_Admini@adsl-243-209-183.cae.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1278892048 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell import Control.Monad; main = print $ [1..] >>= flip replicateM ['a'..'z'] < 1278892077 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I now realize this is probably a very computational intense operation. < 1278892077 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: well, here's the plan as I see it 1) devise the asm 2) write an assembler for it 3) test it in a basic vm 4) write a compiler for it from some esolang 5) try that out 6) based on our experiences with 1-5, decide on what the vm will look like 7) I hope get get that far < 1278892102 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*we get < 1278892109 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should make Enhanced CWEB treat !! as a single operator and print it in a special way (in case you don't want it printed in this special, you can put a space ! ! instead) < 1278892122 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: so is the asm the vm language? < 1278892125 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well, !! is as-bool < 1278892145 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: the machine code based on the asm, my bad < 1278892173 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see which mathematical symbol in Plain TeX I can use for that purpose < 1278892183 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell import Control.Monad; main = print $ [1..] >>= flip replicateM "abc" < 1278892207 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, wait, how does one obtain the error whose presence ferror detects? < 1278892219 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Which? < 1278892219 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: what do you think? does that sound like a good starting plan? < 1278892250 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: I think. for some reason your wording confused me. I thought we were just making a VM? Typically I refer to "the VM" as including the language that it runs off of. < 1278892252 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1278892257 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523! < 1278892264 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1278892279 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But for the strcmp, you might instead write @d streq !strcmp (if you are using plain C you can write #define instead of @d) < 1278892286 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :karmicalise: should I interpret your nick as "not lucid", or some other way? < 1278892291 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :karmicalise: Which? Of what are you asking? < 1278892295 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm running 10.04. < 1278892300 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Which symbol? < 1278892305 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i'll ask you, then: how does one obtain the error whose presence ferror() detects? The functions don't set errno, apparently. < 1278892307 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*I'll < 1278892311 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :karmicalise: I don't know yet I have to figure out < 1278892318 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: well the vm is going to have to run some kind of machine code.. so we can either reuse an existing one or invent our own.. which would you prefer? < 1278892323 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, oh. < 1278892328 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :karmicalise: 10.04 is nicknamed "lucid lynx" < 1278892332 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Ah. < 1278892333 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Oh. < 1278892334 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can see why I'm confused < 1278892335 0 :karmicalise!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :lucidalise < 1278892359 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have a suggestion which symbol I can consider it. < 1278892359 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lucidalise: there's a ferror and feof flag in the FILE structure, in most implementations < 1278892366 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I'm open to either, but I'd prefer something rather simplistic < 1278892383 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: ah okay. So you use "machine code" to refer to the VMs language, while the VM is the machine itself. That makes sense. Hmmm... I'd rather write a custom VM. I don't know much about existing VMs, but Erlang's BEAM is good. Parrot is neat but I think more suited to dynamically typed languages. < 1278892390 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you try to read from a file and something goes wrong, then the ferror flag gets set# < 1278892403 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :likewise, if you try to read but it's at EOF, it returns EOF and the feof flag gets set < 1278892420 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember offhand what causes the flags to be reset, though < 1278892449 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :siduxgor < 1278892455 0 :siduxgor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sidux doesn't have stupid nicknames. < 1278892458 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: I believe BEAM has the nice property of being easy to run standalone. < 1278892460 0 :siduxgor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because sidux is a true rolling release. < 1278892462 0 :siduxgor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bam. < 1278892465 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's poorly documented from what I remember. < 1278892472 0 :lucidalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :siduxgor: "Wah wah wah wah wah". < 1278892475 0 :lucidalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use Arch, so shut it. < 1278892486 0 :siduxgor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM A DEBIAN ZEALOT < 1278892489 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1278892489 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell print "test" < 1278892489 0 :siduxgor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZEALOT ZEALOT ZEALOT < 1278892491 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"test" < 1278892492 0 :siduxgor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PS <3 GNU < 1278892500 0 :lucidalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Die. < 1278892500 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1278892502 0 :siduxgor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1278892508 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :siduxgor: why aren't you running hurd? < 1278892508 0 :lucidalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU: It's like cancer, only worse! < 1278892512 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell mapM_ print [1..] < 1278892514 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1278892517 0 :lucidalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU: It's like the holocaust, only worse! < 1278892518 0 :siduxgor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Because Hurd sucks X-P < 1278892520 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell Control.Monad.replicateM 3 "abc" < 1278892522 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :["aaa","aab","aac","aba","abb","abc","aca","acb","acc","baa","bab","bac","bba","bbb","bbc","bca","bcb","bcc","caa","cab","cac","cba","cbb","cbc","cca","ccb","ccc"] < 1278892525 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :siduxgor: but it's GNU! < 1278892528 0 :lucidalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU: It's like the Armenian genocide, only worse! < 1278892532 0 :siduxgor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: I also use vim < 1278892536 0 :lucidalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU: It's like Bush's war crimes, only worse! < 1278892540 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: EgoBot does _not_ handle infinite output with no newlines < 1278892551 0 :siduxgor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot does not handle infinite output. < 1278892552 0 :siduxgor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Period. < 1278892553 0 :lucidalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU: It's like the growing damage caused by globalised neoliberal capitalism, only worse! < 1278892558 0 :lucidalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU: It's like GNU, only worse! < 1278892577 0 :siduxgor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU: It's awesome. <3 < 1278892592 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :siduxgor: my mapM_ print [1..] worked fine. though of course it cut off. < 1278892594 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU is not bad but there is some problems and different opinion < 1278892607 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like GNU long options, is one thing < 1278892609 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU stuff varies a lot in quality < 1278892610 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh.. what's a neoliberal? < 1278892631 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes < 1278892631 0 :siduxgor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: If its meaning is derived from that of "neoconservative", it means "not liberal" < 1278892632 0 :lucidalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Evil? < 1278892632 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell [1..3] >>= flip Control.Monad.replicateM ['a'..'z'] < 1278892635 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :["a","b","c","d","e","f","g","h","i","j","k","l","m","n","o","p","q","r","s","t","u","v","w","x","y","z","aa","ab","ac","ad","ae","af","ag","ah","ai","aj","ak","al","am","an","ao","ap","aq","ar","as","at","au","av","aw","ax","ay","az","ba","bb","bc","bd","be","bf","bg","bh","bi","bj","bk","bl","bm","bn","bo","bp","bq","br","bs","bt","bu","bv","bw","bx","by","bz","ca","cb","cc","cd","ce","cf","cg","ch","ci","cj","ck","cl","cm","cn","co","cp","cq","cr"," < 1278892637 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1278892640 0 :lucidalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :siduxgor: Pretty much. < 1278892654 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am leet password cracker. < 1278892656 0 :lucidalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neoliberalism is the philosophy espoused by those in charge of the global banks, etc. < 1278892697 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't describe GNU as liberal or conservative, because liberal and conservative words describe different things instead < 1278892711 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact I am too leet for EgoBot. Not handling infinite output? wtf. Doesn't /every/ IRC bot handle infinite output? < 1278892720 0 :siduxgor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1278892724 0 :siduxgor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo Oh nose! < 1278892733 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh nose! < 1278892744 0 :lucidalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I was merely comparing it to the damage caused by neoliberalism. < 1278892744 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo was sleeping on the job < 1278892748 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but fungot never fails to be prompt. < 1278892752 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lucidalise: OK < 1278892754 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1278892757 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except now apparently. < 1278892768 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like GNU long options that is why I wrote ARGOPT < 1278892769 0 :lucidalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Got my funges. < 1278892770 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lucidalise: by h. p. lovecraft and fnord h. fnord < 1278892775 0 :siduxgor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :date --iso < 1278892776 0 :siduxgor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cp -a < 1278892777 0 :lucidalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1278892780 0 :lucidalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fnord H. Fnord. < 1278892788 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1278892788 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc jargon lovecraft* nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube < 1278892791 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style youtube < 1278892791 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: youtube (Some YouTube comments) < 1278892793 0 :lucidalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :siduxgor: hello --mail < 1278892797 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey fungot what's the word < 1278892798 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: i can't bother with any sort of crap. nice try tho, oh no... lol but i totally effing love these guys get molly sims react to samberg jizzing in his hole!!