< 1279929600 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you are attempting to argue with the facts of a fictional universe using an incorrect argument from RL < 1279929612 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, incorrect? how so? < 1279929622 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pointing out the origin of the name Bjorn < 1279929623 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incorrect in that people often do give their children misspelt names < 1279929626 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is Scandinavian < 1279929649 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bjorn ran into Barack Obama, ex-First Lady of the United States of America, and argued with it for five hours on the subject of whether sap is technically "tree semen" and what the implications of this would be if it were indeed true. They swapped sides every half hour to make it a fair fight, and Bjorn eventually KO'd Barack while they were getting accustomed to their new side of the argument. < 1279929650 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is more properly spelled with an ö and/or ø < 1279929653 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your argument is along the lines of "Bjorn can't be named Bjorn because it isn't spelt like that" < 1279929654 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes no sense < 1279929669 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm true < 1279929698 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KO'd ? < 1279929722 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might as well argue that alise's nick is wrong because the name has a capital A < 1279929732 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :potassium oxided < 1279929744 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, alise's nick would be a lot more effective with a capital A, I think < 1279929781 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I like it like this. < 1279929795 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, OK < 1279929801 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: knocked out with blow, esp. in boxing < 1279930088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ah < 1279930119 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, oh and sap is more like tree blood < 1279930129 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's what Bjorn argued, for half the time. < 1279930134 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1279930143 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you always have to take turns, you know. < 1279930171 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, yeah when people do that you know they are arguing for the sake of arguing, rather than arguing for what they believe in. Not that that is wrong < 1279930190 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/believe in/believe in or think is right/ < 1279930191 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no they don't < 1279930195 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1279930197 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ? < 1279930202 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1279930207 0 :Wamanuz5!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1279930214 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you missed the metajoke < 1279930225 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh.... *doh* < 1279930239 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets switch sides :P < 1279930242 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but bbl < 1279930296 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I did a bit of arguing-the-opposite-side with coppro in our Great Copyright Debate. < 1279930311 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sort of argued for his side of the story to support a sub-conclusion I was making, and then backtracking it later without destroying the sub-conclusion. < 1279930320 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least it is my impression that I did that. < 1279930337 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the name of that game in which the goal was to zero a flag? < 1279930352 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: Nim? < 1279930356 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and two programs were writing the memory, and the language was AFAIR brainfucky < 1279930376 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm trying to google it but with no luck < 1279930461 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1279930466 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1279930467 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fukyorbrane < 1279930469 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and bf joust < 1279930472 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :babies \ bin \ cube2.base64 \ cube2.jpg \ hack_gregor \ hello.txt \ help.txt \ huh \ netcat-0.7.1 \ netcat-0.7.1.tar.gz \ out.txt \ paste \ poetry.txt \ quotes \ qw.pl \ share \ tmpdir.20750 \ wunderbar_emporium < 1279930480 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor and Goethe/ais523 respectively < 1279930495 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, *Kerim Adyin (marine biologist) < 1279930503 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Aydin < 1279930530 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1279930539 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: goethe wrote this: http://www.fish.washington.edu/seminars/spring_08/aydin.html < 1279930545 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, "G." :P < 1279930561 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: bfjoust is on egobot, if egobot were here < 1279930569 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1279930580 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's on egobot even if egobot isn't here, although what you said doesn't contradict that < 1279930589 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except arguably the common use of if to mean iff in English. < 1279930600 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: NO IT'S NOT. QUANTUM. < 1279930674 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah oerjan is here < 1279930695 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was also looking for some examples of heavy use of haskell interpreter here on channel < 1279930700 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but logs are hard to grep ;f < 1279930840 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... wunderbar_emporium < 1279930860 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: some linux exploit that doesn't work. < 1279930896 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: ooh, let me check < 1279930916 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Kerim Aydin and he's linked to his website which says he's a fisheries research marine biologist < 1279930923 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and has a picture of him that is listed in several other places in such a context < 1279930928 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did know he was a marine biologist already < 1279930933 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :saying he got his phd from washington university where that page is < 1279930939 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :q.e.d. < 1279930940 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although he's also worked on translating legal documents < 1279930989 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Kerim Aydin (marine biologist)" is my Sgeo-meme < 1279931013 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: !haskell is alas also on egobot < 1279931031 0 :relet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1279931130 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :walk -> < 1279931211 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: at this time? you'll fall into your Norwegian Venice's canal. < 1279931266 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i know that, now i'm trying to find a log that shows its use < 1279931291 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is really frustrating < 1279931349 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have this applet that is working, but i dont know where it's getting the code from < 1279931474 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the name of this drink which can *potentially* replace food ? < 1279931483 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beer < 1279931486 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1279931488 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDDDdd < 1279931490 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash'd < 1279931494 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1279931507 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, but beer is not a complete protein source. < 1279931522 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Add some soy sauce! < 1279931526 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soybeer < 1279931528 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beersoy < 1279931540 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Miso & beer < 1279931574 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, that vanilla-flavoured one < 1279931584 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, seriously, who's a java pseudoexpert < 1279931586 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i needs help :( < 1279931594 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: < 1279931598 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise? < 1279931628 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: ? < 1279931633 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm no java person < 1279931637 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : what was the name of this drink which can *potentially* replace food ? < 1279931640 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, Ensure? < 1279931647 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: Some of those VLCD drinks (yuck)? < 1279931648 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1279931651 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's it < 1279931655 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx alise < 1279931658 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you drunk a lot of Ensure Plus, and *trust* those guys... < 1279931665 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, if you're ais523, ProSoBee. < 1279931692 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: I don't think you can get Ensure Plus apart from on prescription and I doubt Ensure itself will sustain anyone to a good level (alive, yes, but not healthy and well). < 1279931694 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it tastes gross. < 1279931698 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically food is the better option here. < 1279931753 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dr. HJKL and Mr. vi < 1279931770 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: my mom is a pharmacist ;> < 1279931800 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm. And you think this makes her a competent nutritionist? The title "nutritionist" doesn't even do that. < 1279931824 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just extremely curious how does it feel to drink your meal < 1279931829 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who was it here that had completely nerded out about nutrition again? < 1279931841 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: oh come on, it's just a test < 1279931850 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: Well, you won't be able to get Ensure Plus, probably. < 1279931856 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ensure should be easy. < 1279931857 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Ilari < 1279931862 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahyes. < 1279931875 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: Vanilla Ensure Plus tastes like really overly-sweet but somehow not nice fake vanilla taste. Very horrible. And metallic. < 1279931879 0 :Wamanuz!~wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1279931884 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They ALL taste vaguely metallic and have a strong metallic aftertaste and they are thick. < 1279931890 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not thick thick, still liquid, but thick liquid. < 1279931895 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically i can get everything, even if it's perscription only < 1279931906 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The chocolate one tastes like kinda gross metalic chocolate. < 1279931909 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost everything* < 1279931911 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: So, an irresponsible pharmacist, then. < 1279931912 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: And how would you know this? < 1279931919 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Unit. "Malnutrition". < 1279931922 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the metal is probably the iron. < 1279931930 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the iron and the five billion other metallic things in there. < 1279931941 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ensure plus: 1400Cal to 100% RDA? Somebody figured out how to do that in <800Cal without involving special drinks... < 1279931941 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1279931946 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but those are in trace, not-tastable amounts for the most part. < 1279931963 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There will be a *lot* of iron, though. < 1279931964 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough. < 1279931971 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: No; >1000 kJ. < 1279931989 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One bottle of Ensure Plus is like 330 kcal. < 1279931997 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i can, but it does not mean that i would < 1279932012 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's got to be having more iron than red meats... *Which are red because of the freaking iron in them*. < 1279932029 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1279932038 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: But it is a "complete balanced nutritional supplement" so if they didn't get it horribly wrong and your body is relatively normal it should keep you alive. < 1279932042 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some foods are just plain superrior in nutrient density. < 1279932044 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They give it to people with e.g. throat cancer apparently. < 1279932060 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow ... < 1279932060 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SEEEMS EXTREMELY COOL < 1279932060 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ensure.com/ < 1279932066 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are marketing it as a consumer product. < 1279932073 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes me sick. < 1279932096 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, you didn't realise that? < 1279932105 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew you could basically just buy it. < 1279932117 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know they were telling relatively-healthy or on-the-road-to-health people to drink it. < 1279932126 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways: Ensure Plus is also given for feeding via feeding tubes. < 1279932131 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since, y'know, it's liquid. < 1279932132 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Add one delicious Ensure Shake daily to a healthy diet and make a change for the better." < 1279932136 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to kill myself now. < 1279932155 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: They also make specific tube feeds; the anorexic girl was on Jevity for a while. < 1279932157 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's been adveertised in the US for, oh... 20 years now, I guess. < 1279932169 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So she lugged around this machine connected into her nose and liquid slowly dripped inside. < 1279932183 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found nutrion facts for Ensure Plus. Doesn't look too healthy... About 20g of sugar and 1g of SFA 5g of PUFA and that's per serving doesn't looke too good. < 1279932185 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yeah, I'd imagine that. < 1279932203 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: A day. < 1279932209 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no < 1279932211 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more than one shake a day < 1279932216 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1279932221 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was prescribed 2 and I still ate < 1279932223 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... A hell of a lot of sugar. < 1279932227 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*prescribed two < 1279932240 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Get Delicious Ensure Recipes". Oh joy, I wonder if this is the one where they suggest putting the no-flavour (i.e. metal flavour) one on cereal. < 1279932251 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess because a spoonfull of sugar makes the medicine go down? < 1279932292 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Fast Hot Chocolate" "Cheddar Turkey Quiche" "Blueberry Breakfast Toast" < 1279932297 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GUYS, ENSURE TASTES HORRIBLE. NOT SURE IF YOU REALISED. < 1279932312 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Not registered with Ensure.com? Sign up." < 1279932314 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I really don't want to. < 1279932331 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[What are the best food items to carry with me when out shopping and running errands? < 1279932331 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is important that your daily calorie intake be based on your usual activity level. If you are considerably more active on any given day or are away from home, plan ahead to eat appropriately to manage your food intake. It's best to prepare your own foods so you can control what goes into a meal and avoid hidden calories. On a busy day, carry along one medium apple and a bottle of great-tasting Ensure®.]] < 1279932336 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DRINK ENSURE EVERY DAY, EVERYONE. < 1279932365 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... I cannot imagine that being a good idea. < 1279932404 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAY! < 1279932410 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I REFUSE < 1279932415 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: http://ensure.com/ask-a-nutritionist/nutrition-faq Quick, debunk it all. < 1279932430 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely the digestive system dislikes nothing-but-nutrition for long periods of time? < 1279932441 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ensure and Ensure Plus® got a makeover. The flavors you love will soon be in an all-new bottle." < 1279932444 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gee golly jeepers. < 1279932456 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It has fibre in I think. Or at least some form of it does. < 1279932459 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, yay, Ensure poop. < 1279932466 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Rich Dark Chocolate Ensure Hits Shelves < 1279932466 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The wait is over! Get healthy and stay healthy the delicious way from the nutrition in Rich Dark Chocolate Ensure." < 1279932469 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will cry now. < 1279932476 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :intestines enjoy processing poo < 1279932501 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I defintely would not use ensure plus as part of a weight-loss diet. It could work for weight gain diet, but I consider use for even that too dangerous. < 1279932504 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: http://ensure.com/products/ensure-plus < 1279932511 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: the nutrition stuff from the source < 1279932514 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol "homemade vanilla" < 1279932517 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they sure have spiced up the product names < 1279932524 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: It probably has some of that 'fiber powder' bullshit. < 1279932526 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: yeah for me it was weight gain < 1279932541 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is only technically fiber; doesn't really help digestion much) < 1279932556 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: "Dietary fibre" < 1279932563 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fiber; darned Americans. < 1279932564 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's because there < 1279932574 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s barely anything to digest < 1279932581 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yes; that's called "bullshit". < 1279932589 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figurative, not literal. < 1279932617 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone pirate-released a TV series or movie in full 1080p yet? I presume so, but I've never seen it. < 1279932628 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Surprise — neither. Yes, it may be a trick question, but because nearly 100% of their calories are derived from fat, neither butter nor margarine is the best choice for cooking." AAAAAAAAAGGGGGHHHH < 1279932636 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, sorry. < 1279932640 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Which is healthier for cooking: butter or margarine?" < 1279932651 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LARD! < 1279932660 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody fails at fucking nutrition. < 1279932685 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: They've been doing Bluray dumps for a while now. < 1279932696 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A or B; which is better?" "C!" < 1279932707 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Isn't Blu-Ray 1080i? < 1279932715 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Or 1080p. < 1279932724 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Is soy sauce a good source for soy protein? < 1279932725 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although soy sauce is a product of the soybean (fermented soy) and tends to liven up many of our favorite dishes, it contains only 1 to 2 grams of soy protein per tablespoon and is high in sodium. If it's soy protein you're looking for, good sources include soy burgers, soymilk, and isolated soy protein powders. < 1279932730 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1279932734 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Any major 1080p releases yet? < 1279932740 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::F < 1279932747 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh... I searched Fineli for foods with most Folic acid per mass. Liver, Liver, yeast, liver, liver, liver, liver, liver, liver, liver, liver, wheat germ, liver, kidney, kidney, liver, liver, liver... < 1279932747 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: All films. < 1279932748 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm, soy sauce. < 1279932766 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Cool. < 1279932779 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: :-) < 1279932783 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: So, all plants, obviously. < 1279932789 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As we all know, liver is a plant. < 1279932792 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WRONG ANSWER. Soy sauce is not a good source of protein, but you want some good sources of protein from soy? Not stupid, fecking retarded, processed "soy protein" BS. < 1279932813 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So, how big are H.264 Blu-Ray rips? < 1279932819 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soy milk. Tofu. Miso. Soy *beans* (roast and salt them, mmm delicious). Processed soy protein is... Not worth-while. < 1279932823 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome GiB or ORGASMIC ON-SCREEN QUALITY GiB? < 1279932825 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: 25-50 GB. < 1279932837 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Dammit why aren't disks cheaper. < 1279932844 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a 10 TiB disk. < 1279932850 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. 10 TB would work too. < 1279932872 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh. Blu-ray tops out at 1080i for 60fps content. < 1279932904 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's 1080p for 24fps stuff. < 1279932919 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As it so happens, almost all films are 24fps. < 1279932940 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: 1080p 60fps. Yes sir, yes I do want it sir. < 1279932943 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a very large number of (American) TV shows. < 1279932948 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if one would take bioaviability into consideration, that wheat germ could be sent far back. < 1279933033 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So, how are the quality of Blu-Ray rips? You see, there is a rather nice 37" 1080p LG TV in this house and I would like to experience its gloriousness. < 1279933046 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: So, this is somehow meant as a food replacement, while basically being a very crappy milkshake with a vitamin pill dumped in. < 1279933062 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Blu-Ray dumps are *dumps of the bitstream on the disc*, after being encoded. < 1279933070 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, decrypted. < 1279933072 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not encoded. < 1279933075 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Okay, rephrase. < 1279933104 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Can you get Blu-Ray rips in .mkv? What kinda specs do I need to decode them? How good are Blu-Ray films as far as picture quality goes? < 1279933115 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Well, I know it is "possible" to survive on Ensure Plus since patients who cannot eat do. < 1279933141 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP yuck < 1279933172 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worst language after C++ and Java that became popular < 1279933179 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Almost certainly, a fairly-decent modern system, and the picture quality varies greatly based on whether or not the encoder of the disc was an idiot. < 1279933193 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nno, actually it's the first, before C++ and Java < 1279933194 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: You can get really-stupidly encoded MPEG-2 or wonderfully encoded x264. < 1279933213 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Any things-to-avoid wrt MPEG-2? < 1279933221 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, anywhere from "What the hell this is shit" to "... THE BEAUTY!!!" < 1279933224 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonderfully encoded H.264 sounds good. I doubt the encoders used x264. < 1279933228 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's commercial in any way. < 1279933242 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Not really; if it's even so much as well-encoded MPEG-2 it should actually be quite nice. < 1279933259 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but ... H.264. < 1279933266 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to experience full, 1080p GLORY. < 1279933293 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the video stream is 40 Mbit/s. < 1279933317 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wo < 1279933325 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is at the point where well-encoded MPEG-2 achieves transparency. < 1279933335 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ks.uiuc.edu/Research/cryptochrome/ <- kinda cool piece of research < 1279933373 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Whereas H.264 becomes invisible. < 1279933375 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for comparison, OTA HD in the US is 19 Mbit/s per physical channel, and that is often split into two or more virtual channels.) < 1279933471 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: See, right now that TV is plugged into a Sky (the satellite TV service in Britain) box via /SCART/. < 1279933485 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? Because you need Sky HD to get HDMI. This costs >£100 for the box and like £10 or more a month. < 1279933489 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: THE RAPE! THE EYERAPE! < 1279933498 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conclusion: Fuck that shit. Bring on the downloads. < 1279933519 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Ehh, on actual SDTV, which is low-quality anyway, it's not noticeable. < 1279933522 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only in the menu interface. < 1279933612 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might I suggest Freeview? (surely they have HD on Freeview?) :P < 1279933661 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and thereby avoid subsidizing Murdock's murder of journalism) < 1279933671 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, Murdoch? < 1279933679 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Freeview ... lacks a lot of channels that are actually worth watching. < 1279933681 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1279933683 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as: Sky 1. < 1279933693 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worth watching as far as TV goes that is. < 1279933696 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is not much at all. < 1279933699 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Rupert. Fucking. Murdoch. < 1279933710 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yeah, I know. You do realise Sky own a chunk of Freeview? < 1279933721 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Besides, WE DON'T RECEIVE FREEVIEW HERE. < 1279933725 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we have no choice. < 1279933729 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, yes, but you don't pay for it. And waitwhat? < 1279933739 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't all the Freeview channels received via Sky? < 1279933742 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have no reason not to, after all < 1279933748 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes. < 1279933748 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: er, no, via the old ondigital network < 1279933755 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you mean the satellite? < 1279933757 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably, who knows < 1279933783 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Freeview HD has recently been released, but ... < 1279933799 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, there's not exactly Discovery on Freeview. Or Sky Movies. < 1279933807 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're gonna get HD ... < 1279933815 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... but this is all moot, downloading ist he far superior option. < 1279933820 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: So... The UK is worse at HD than the US. Good to know. < 1279933824 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WE'RE SUPERIOR AT SOMETHING! < 1279933859 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it is, nowadays, nearly impossible to not receive HD in the US. You have to go to the Alaska/Russia border or something crazy like that.) < 1279933890 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You also switched over to digital TV in, like, the blink of an eyelid and handled the transition almost perfectly. < 1279933907 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're doing it over the course of 2007 to 2012, slowly, with a lot of complaints, setbacks, mishaps and public confusion. < 1279933921 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Not really. We'd been broadcasting in digital for about a decade prior. < 1279933934 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, most people don't watch TV OTA. Making it easy. < 1279933936 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1279933950 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: so we can all expect a lot of hilarity when the uk finally decides to switch to right hand side driving? < 1279933954 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, whatever. < 1279933969 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yeah, they'll switch a county at a time. < 1279933976 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1279933983 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And have transition points at the borders of counties. < 1279933985 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has heard some old jokes from when sweden did so < 1279933986 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:D < 1279933995 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU ARE NOW ENTERING A RIGHT-SIDE ZONE. < 1279933998 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PLEASE SWERVE. < 1279934024 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: actually that'd never happen < 1279934029 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :along with switching to the euro < 1279934030 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'd have riots < 1279934055 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guy Fawkes would need to rise from the grave and finish off Parliament first. < 1279934069 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then fail at bringing back full-on monarchy. < 1279934076 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leaving the country in total chaos. < 1279934090 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have problems with crossing a street in the UK < 1279934096 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to mention driving a car < 1279934111 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember, remember, eternal september, or wasn't that how it went < 1279934146 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember, remember, the fifth of November / Gunpowder, treason and plot. / I see no reason why gunpowder treason / Should ever be forgot. < 1279934147 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember remember the Fifth of November, the gunpowder treason and plot. < 1279934152 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: No "the". < 1279934165 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i heard that swedish switched from LHD to RHD in 50's < 1279934166 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Darnit. < 1279934169 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks someone didn't notice he was joking < 1279934176 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: yes < 1279934181 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember, remember, eternal September / newbies smoking pot. / I see no reason why eternal unreason / should ever be forgot. < 1279934183 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I did. < 1279934200 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they;ve had riving wheels on the proper side all the time < 1279934204 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Anyways. People in the UK must really hate how that darned movie made people quote that without having the foggiest clue what it meant. < 1279934216 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we norwegians joked about how they'd switch only the trucks initially < 1279934228 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1279934231 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Wait, which movie? < 1279934257 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: So which is the best Scandinavian country, Sweden or Finland? < 1279934260 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: V for Vendetta < 1279934261 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Remember, remember, eternal September / newbies smoking pot. / I see no reason why eternal unreason / should ever be forgot. <-- ooh nice < 1279934266 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No, horrible. < 1279934266 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION actually learned that from reading sandman. he thinks. < 1279934277 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, what? < 1279934289 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Same guy as did Watchmen, I believe? < 1279934299 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or was it 300? < 1279934300 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : i heard that swedish switched from LHD to RHD in 50's <-- if talking about driving. Then yes < 1279934321 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, we're talking about rabbit haemorrhagic disease. < 1279934334 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: The comic was by the same guy who did Watchmen and Swamp Thing. < 1279934335 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And large helical devicse. < 1279934337 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*devices. < 1279934339 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I mean the film. < 1279934345 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Matrix. < 1279934345 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i have never been to finland, actually < 1279934352 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know who Alan Moore is. < 1279934361 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, did you ever get around to reading TMoPI? < 1279934363 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wachowski Brothers. < 1279934367 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Ah. < 1279934379 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder what only drinking few cans (just enough to break that 1400Cal limit) would do... Probably wouldn't be fun to watch (unless you are sadist). < 1279934381 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Not yet. < 1279934388 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That was not my desired response. < 1279934408 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well finland isn't scandinavian, either :D < 1279934420 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The filmmakers removed many of the anarchist themes and drug references present in the original story and also altered the political message to what they believed would be more relevant to a 2006 audience." < 1279934421 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, kill me. < 1279934427 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, why would that line be horrible < 1279934439 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I invented it on the spot and I am no poet. < 1279934459 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If one wants horror stories about diets gone horribly wrong, then various accounts of Minnesota starvation experiment are good... < 1279934472 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION boggles < 1279934482 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Quick! Think of words! < 1279934490 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol @ Minnesota starvation experiment < 1279934496 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Japan has both RHD and LHD commonly used. < 1279934498 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: the sandman story i mentioned was about how shakespeare invented (half of) the initial poem. it wasn't intended to be good :) < 1279934499 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I know! Let's STARVE people. ...for SCIENCE, of course." < 1279934501 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, RHD and LHD *vehicles*. < 1279934513 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all LHD *roads* of course. < 1279934514 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Hm what. < 1279934520 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: aww I almost got interested < 1279934523 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1279934526 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Whoops, *swerve*" < 1279934527 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: it's fiction < 1279934531 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right < 1279934533 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I just lost context < 1279934539 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you should be one < 1279934540 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1279934550 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: What, a poet? < 1279934553 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, yes < 1279934555 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, thanks. You have horrible taste in poetry. < 1279934558 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, it was only semi-starvation. But the results were quite horrid... < 1279934567 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, try making a poem about a bridge or something next ;P < 1279934579 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way you HAVE to be better than the worst case < 1279934586 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Okinawa Prefecture was RHD from 1945 to 1978, unlike the rest of Japan. < 1279934592 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: "Whoops, *swerve*" < 1279934608 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: hey i was going to link to that < 1279934615 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(沖縄県) < 1279934616 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: link to what? < 1279934623 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, :P < 1279934630 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, that's a fucking polyglot. Effs yes.) < 1279934655 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tay_Bridge_Disaster < 1279934663 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(okinawaken in Japanese, uchinaaken in Okinawan) < 1279934678 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" (one subject amputated three fingers of his hand with an axe, though the subject was unsure if he had done so intentionally or accidentally)" < 1279934687 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1279934717 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remind me to not even volunteer for something that might have damaging psychological effects < 1279934719 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it is interesting to note he starts out trying to make it rhyme and then gives up halfway through each of those quotes < 1279934732 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Hell, it's easy enough to write poetry worse than that. < 1279934738 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well actually he only really gives up in the second one < 1279934742 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already know that the only way I'll volunteer for a drug trial is if I know I'll die otherwise < 1279934785 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: um i actually suspect he thought they _did_ rhyme < 1279934809 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Mwahahahah. < 1279934820 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Some UK military bases are right-hand drive. < 1279934849 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : For the stronger we our houses build < 1279934849 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : The less chance we have of being killed" < 1279934853 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, that doesn't rhyme < 1279934863 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Behold, a worse poem about a bridge: http://pastie.org/1057838.txt?key=ods2djouutsgcvmpp2a < 1279934868 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Build / killed rhymes. < 1279934871 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least, almost rhymes. < 1279934876 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Billed, killed. < 1279934883 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, bill'd. < 1279934903 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, exactly. It doesn't actually rhyme. Just nearly so < 1279934908 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Savoy-court-drive-right-out.JPG < 1279934935 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Or are you actually going to say http://pastie.org/1057838.txt?key=ods2djouutsgcvmpp2a is better than Tay Bridge Disaster? < 1279934949 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hm okay, but that doesn't count. You intended to write it badly < 1279934960 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point of the original one was that it wasn't intended to be bad < 1279934967 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, uh, then I surrender. < 1279934978 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1279934985 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you could write better than The Tay Bridge Disaster if you tried to < 1279934988 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1279934993 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, that was my point < 1279934998 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes. < 1279935023 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"McGonagall also considered himself an actor, although the theatre where he performed, Mr Giles' Theatre, would let him perform the title role in Macbeth only if he paid for the privilege in advance. Their caution proved ill-founded, as the theatre was filled with friends and fellow workers, anxious to see what they correctly predicted to be an amusing disaster. Although the play should have ended with Macbeth's death at the hands of Macduff, McGonagall be < 1279935023 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lieved that the actor playing Macduff was trying to upstage him, and so refused to die." < 1279935053 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, -_- < 1279935054 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1279935120 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw I wonder what upstage means < 1279935124 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look it up. < 1279935136 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pah, they link to Wesley Willis in the See Also section. Wesley Willis is far more of a poet! < 1279935163 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah hm < 1279935196 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"He is my greatest singer < 1279935196 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He was my kind of guy < 1279935196 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He can really rock < 1279935196 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He can rock this place apart" --Wesley Willis, "Elvis Presley" < 1279935203 0 :iamcal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1279935220 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well pretty bad still < 1279935222 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO < 1279935231 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Play that rock lead guitar < 1279935231 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rock it like a magikist < 1279935231 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rock and roll is the joyride music < 1279935231 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whip that snow leopard's ass < 1279935232 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rock Saddam Hussein's ass (x2)" -- Wesley Willis, "Rock Saddam Hussein's Ass" < 1279935238 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can you deny the ... sheer genius? < 1279935251 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, *(x4). < 1279935255 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ouch < 1279935259 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is just so bad it is bad < 1279935271 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not starwars holiday special yet < 1279935275 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I will merely link to the lyrics of "I'm Sorry That I Got Fat (i Will Slim Down)": < 1279935277 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.lyricstime.com/wesley-willis-i-m-sorry-that-i-got-fat-i-will-slim-down-lyrics.html < 1279935281 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*I Will < 1279935287 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1279935290 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.79.116 JOIN :#esoteric < 1279935291 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops. < 1279935319 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Do note that Wesley Willis was a severe schizophrenic who usually played random crap over a built-in keyboard demo track and basically yelled over it. < 1279935323 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, okay THAT is starwars holiday special quality < 1279935331 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He was awesome. < 1279935353 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[["Warhellride" is a term used by Willis to describe his encounters with "demons," which occurred mainly on the CTA bus lines in Chicago.[citation needed] Willis, diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia, often claimed that demons were trying to ruin his "Harmony Joy Music" or "Harmony Joy Rides". Willis also used the term to describe general harassment: In one of his songs he says, "He gave me a yelldown warhellride." When asked about the demons or Warhellri < 1279935354 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :des, Willis would often comment that he was trying to "stay the hell out of prison" by "not hitting people in the street with bricks." In several songs, both terms are used openly. One of Willis' songs is entitled "I Deserve a Warhellride".]] < 1279935579 0 :cal153!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1279935600 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Any Minion progress? >_> < 1279935653 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NAI! < 1279935698 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: WELL PROGRESS IT. < 1279935730 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TI SSERGORP LLEW, YOURSELF! < 1279935737 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Fine, I'll typeset a book in Minion. >_> < 1279935754 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But which book, I wonder. < 1279935761 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, no, no, noiniM. < 1279935777 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... RTL English... < 1279935796 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...hsilgnE LTR ...mmH < 1279935813 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.driew si sihT < 1279935832 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This laptop is awesome. Buy this laptop. < 1279935867 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kawatakunai kedo... < 1279935918 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is Minion? < 1279935921 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Food may be good to eat. < 1279935950 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Meh, food! < 1279935953 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: A typeface. < 1279935956 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1279935961 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, link to sample? < 1279935977 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: That attitude causes Ensure Plus. < 1279935979 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/01/MinionPro.svg < 1279935984 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not so good at the big size there. Reduce it a little bit. < 1279935998 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1279935999 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Reboot < 1279936002 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1279936018 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Suggest a book to typeset! < 1279936022 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Night. < 1279936031 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/3rCwy.jpg < 1279936043 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Hmm... Beowulf. < 1279936061 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Hmm. I'm thinking "no". < 1279936061 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More of an epic, though. < 1279936076 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://i.imgur.com/3rCwy.jpg <-- wtf < 1279936077 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poetry is something I've never done and ... well ... I don't really like Beowulf. < 1279936077 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT THORN! WYNN! < 1279936082 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LONG S! < 1279936084 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you've not seen that video? < 1279936089 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, yes I have < 1279936090 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1279936095 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way they use it there < 1279936104 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called poking fun < 1279936112 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, at themselves? < 1279936121 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have that sort of humour? < 1279936126 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, Microsoft is not 100% soulless. < 1279936133 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, strange tidings indeed < 1279936135 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Departments of Microsoft can be nice. < 1279936136 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It takes a soul to create that much agony. < 1279936139 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft itself sucks. < 1279936147 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A very brutally twisted soul, mind, but still. < 1279936147 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, haha < 1279936148 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I mean, GHC is basically developed by Microsoft Research. < 1279936159 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simon Peyton Jones, what's that other guy, both work for Microsoft Research. < 1279936163 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, yes but that is MSDN not MS Research < 1279936182 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making one reference doesn't mean they're not crazy, you know. < 1279936187 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well true < 1279936187 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1279936204 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night really now however → < 1279936250 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Night. < 1279936286 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'd set Finnegans Wake, but the possibility of even one error... < 1279936393 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Not public domain. < 1279936420 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I don't give a damn. < 1279936433 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/decss-haiku.txt < 1279936439 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So, tell me, why isn't linux32 working? < 1279936445 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird@dinky:~/Downloads$ sudo linux32 ./AdbeRdr9.3.3-1_i486linux_enu.bin < 1279936445 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :linux32: ./AdbeRdr9.3.3-1_i486linux_enu.bin: No such file or directory < 1279936506 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: How bizarre. < 1279936515 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, you don't need linux32 to run a 32-bit binary. < 1279936523 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Well, it doesn't work without. < 1279936531 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sudo: unable to execute ./AdbeRdr9.3.3-1_i486linux_enu.bin: No such file or directory < 1279936531 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Waithwat? < 1279936539 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^?ELF^A^A^A^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^B^@^C^@^ < 1279936542 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's a normal ELF. < 1279936562 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could you objdump that? < 1279936634 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Most likely thing missing is the appropriate dynamic linker. Sure you've got 32-bit libs installed? < 1279936804 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My friend and his boyfriend and their picture of them dressed as Mario and Luigi is slash-ing my inner child to death waaaaaaah < 1279936842 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I take it the file actually exists? < 1279936863 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes... yes it does. < 1279936867 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: No. Not sure. Know the Debian package? < 1279936873 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: No. < 1279936877 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Which usage of the term slash are we using here? < 1279936878 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: objdump objdump objdump. < 1279936885 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Both < 1279936886 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Also objdump objdump objdump. < 1279936891 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Hence the hyphen :P < 1279936929 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Kirk/Spock THERE GOES YOUR INNER CHILD < 1279936943 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That's substantially less of an issue because THEY'RE NOT BROTHERS. < 1279936972 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The term is "wincest" now I believe, so you have nothing to worry about. < 1279936983 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: But that is the sole cause of all slash! < 1279937009 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sobs quietly to self in the fetal position* < 1279937027 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE FETAL POSITION MAKES MOTHERS SEXUALLY AROUSED* < 1279937029 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*SCIENTIFIC FACT < 1279937029 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1279937158 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: How are you with writing really annoying server-side code (PHP/Python/whatever, SQL, whatever) to fit with really-annoying client-side code mockups? X-P < 1279937167 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay adobe am work < 1279937176 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oh sure, don't ask the INSTITUTIONALISED ORPHAN* first. < 1279937179 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Not actually an orphan. < 1279937204 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I was going to ask you after a week of pestering pikhq and getting no result! < 1279937218 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're just lower on my "pester-and-get-no-result" list. < 1279937224 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is why we can never be lovers. :| < 1279937230 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being second on the list. < 1279937234 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT IS UNACCEPTABLE FOR AN ORPHAN. < 1279937240 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Orphans have an important desire to be first in everything. < 1279937242 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think. < 1279937254 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: NO < 1279937273 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That is not a valid answer! < 1279937293 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Then mu I say, 無! < 1279937358 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: How are you with writing really annoying server-side code (PHP/Python/whatever, SQL, whatever) to fit with really-annoying client-side code mockups? X-P < 1279937392 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Good, but I sort of kind of don't want to do it. ...at least not without an amount of money with which to buy booze to drown out my subsequent sorrow. < 1279937437 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you even old enough to drink and hit on semianonymous guys in chat rooms *glares* < 1279937449 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm 7 and a half! < 1279937456 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, you have a crazy definition of semianonymous :P < 1279937458 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: In Germany. < 1279937467 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pseudoanonymous < 1279937473 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*I'm < 1279937487 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: We know your real name, what university you go to, and what you look like. < 1279937491 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are not anonymous in any way :P < 1279937496 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence pseudoanonymous. < 1279937506 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How are you even that? < 1279937510 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your name is YOUR NAME. < 1279937518 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, OK, fair enough X-D < 1279937526 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I don't even have a false pretense of anonymity. < 1279937534 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :CouldBeGregorOrN < 1279937538 0 :CouldBeGregorOrN!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh foo < 1279937542 0 :CouldBeGregorOrN!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ProbablyNotGrego < 1279937545 0 :ProbablyNotGrego!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn it. < 1279937554 0 :ProbablyNotGrego!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :GRAGGORSMASH < 1279937559 0 :GRAGGORSMASH!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Close enough. < 1279937602 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Graggor Smash Brothers < 1279937609 0 :GRAGGORSMASH!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :G'ahhhhhh < 1279937611 0 :GRAGGORSMASH!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE SLASHINESS < 1279937613 0 :GRAGGORSMASH!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sobs* < 1279937614 0 :GRAGGORSMASH!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Gregor < 1279937691 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still think the Armstrong/Aldrin was the best slash ever. < 1279937748 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit out of this world, i expect < 1279937817 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Oh my word Minion for LaTeX is beautiful. < 1279937834 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It... it just... it just looks perfect. < 1279937850 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... New instructions to implement: Read code memory, write code memory and append code memory. :-) < 1279937867 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Mmm. < 1279937919 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: BTW, I'm sure there's better. < 1279937927 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Typefaces? It's all relative. < 1279937938 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minion is a fine typeface. For god's sake, the Elements of Typographical Style is set in it. < 1279937942 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't get much more approved than that. < 1279937956 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Here, look at this PDF produced with LaTeX and Minion Pro. < 1279937959 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://filebin.ca/tyykob/MinionPro.pdf < 1279937962 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tell me it's not amazing. < 1279938064 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... With those code code memory operators, I don't need swap operators for TCness. Except that TCness with code memory operators is a lot more difficult than with swap operators. :-) < 1279938098 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: That is not amazing. That is Beauty Incarnate. < 1279938117 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: BTW, you can just copy-paste the commands at http://lglinux.blogspot.com/2007/09/myriad-and-minion-for-latex.html, except you have to adjust the Adobe Reader directory two times. < 1279938126 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(After running through the Adobe Reader installer.) < 1279938155 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since code memory is unbounded in size... < 1279938170 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But one can access only current window. < 1279938216 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION loves him some text figures < 1279938240 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So in order to allow unbounded memory, one would have to copy code around. < 1279938241 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But you can have lining figures /in math mode only/! < 1279938244 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's amazing. < 1279938250 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently there's a tornado watch for where I live < 1279938254 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Beautiful. < 1279938261 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's where lining figures belong. < 1279938267 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My dad says that it's unlikely that there would be a tornado, and even if there is, the basement wouldn't help < 1279938329 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My dad says your dad says a lot of things. < 1279938345 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He says it's not the right type of shelter < 1279938391 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your dad says a lot of stupid things. < 1279938406 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm going to go down there anyway < 1279938422 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1279938425 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1279938430 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Suggest a book for me to typeset! < 1279938456 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Name to me some authors you like. < 1279938476 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Older ones; < 1279938484 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PD text is findable. < 1279938490 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm, too many to list. I'm mainly looking for something to do, really. < 1279938493 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I care not for copyright. < 1279938508 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Maybe you could try homeopathy to fix your botched nose job." "Maybe you could try homeopathy to fix your irrational belief in things that have no scientific basis." < 1279938512 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if Alice's Adventures in Wonderland would go with Minion... no. (I gotta typeset it /some/time.) < 1279938521 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, then. The Metamorphosis of Prime Intellect. < 1279938524 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: FEISTY. < 1279938527 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'd rather read it first. < 1279938532 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What *would* be appropriate for Adventures in Wonderland < 1279938534 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Do so. < 1279938542 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: When I'm not tired. When I'm discharged. < 1279938561 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Quick, what's that wonderful serif Japanese font again? < 1279938562 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Origin of Species? < 1279938577 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :malleus maleficarum < 1279938579 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Serif? Hmm. Sazanami? Takao? < 1279938581 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that's not a font. :P < 1279938591 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Hmm ... what was that one that was common on Linux? I forget. < 1279938602 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, is that Takao? < 1279938617 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I named two such fonts. < 1279938631 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that one that's... grr, I forget. < 1279938640 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kochi? < 1279938645 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1279938648 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Kochi or Takao better? < 1279938658 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't recall, actually. < 1279938678 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shall find type samples again < 1279938747 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My dad suggested that the air in the basement might not be so great < 1279938753 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: My dad! My dad! My dad! < 1279938787 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Actually, Bitstream Cyberbit has some really nice Japanese glyphs. < 1279938826 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to breath unhealthy air if the place affords no protection < 1279938932 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... < 1279938942 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Sazanami Mincho and Kochi Mincho appear to be about on par, glyph-quality wise. < 1279938948 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe if I keep some sort of alert thing open to warn me if it becomes a warning... < 1279938955 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They also both include Opentype tables for vertical text. < 1279938963 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As long as I keep my shoes on, I should be able to quickly go into the basement < 1279938980 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, I don't know how to get good CJK typesetting going < 1279938988 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/malkovich < 1279938994 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1279939059 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My mind has just been blown... < 1279939068 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emacs supports multiple character sets in the same text file. < 1279939073 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What. < 1279939076 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My God that's... Wow. < 1279939084 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1279939090 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: It's most useful for non-Unicode TeX. < 1279939109 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1279939109 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll switch its character set parsing based on which language you told TeX to use. < 1279939114 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Cute. < 1279939137 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Getting you multilingual text without Unicode. Clever, if bizarre. < 1279939225 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise < 1279939227 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION needs an easy way to stay alert for severe weather warnings < 1279939240 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do u know C < 1279939268 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WeatherBug for Android shows me a Tornado Watch for Pennsylvania < 1279939270 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Utterly useless < 1279939279 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excelsior, brilliant, diamond, pearl; agate, nonpareil, mignonette and minion; brevier, burgeois, long primer and small pica; pica, english, great primer, and double pica; double english, double great primer, french canon and five line pica; and six line pica, and eight line pica. < 1279939281 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: Yes. < 1279939296 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sorry i said 'u' < 1279939300 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgot you don't like it < 1279939309 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you recommend a good book for it that isn't K&R < 1279939340 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :K&R2 < 1279939350 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1279939385 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm planning on writing a host for a Lua interpreter in C < 1279939416 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now how do i tell adobe reader NOT TO BE DEFAULT PDF READER. < 1279939418 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: K&R < 1279939458 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might rawaw be a good name for a table that holds the AW functions? < 1279939561 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1279939567 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, why not? < 1279939612 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of fascism < 1279939619 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1279939661 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: how did you create the title of your The Time Machine again? < 1279939878 0 :goldweard!~bretts@cpe-70-112-118-61.austin.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1279940074 0 :goldweard!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: IRC for iPhone < 1279940086 0 :BRETTs!~bretts@cpe-70-112-118-61.austin.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1279940154 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1279940182 0 :BRETTs!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1279940704 0 :Quadrescence!~Quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence JOIN :#esoteric < 1279940715 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1279940764 0 :CakeProphet!~adam@h23.0.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1279940985 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: can you recommend a good book for it that isn't K&R < 1279941031 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No; there are no others. Explain your problem with K&R. < 1279941198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :K&R is outdated < 1279941201 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is one issue < 1279941246 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need a K&R third edition < 1279941247 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for C99 < 1279941256 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes quite < 1279941258 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would solve it < 1279941382 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1279941387 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c89 is fine, c99 is just a few things to learn < 1279941393 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :K&R2 plus just ... googling c99 should do it < 1279941413 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i don't think the inventors of C actually really like c99 that much. < 1279941420 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so K&R3 won't ever happen < 1279941421 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite possibly < 1279941425 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C99 was designed by committee < 1279941437 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What to typeset, what to typeset... < 1279941438 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of the stuff in it is fairly good though < 1279941463 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's alright but it's much less of a coherent language than C89. < 1279941467 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It feels half-done. < 1279941490 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, what about % behaviour for negative numbers? < 1279941546 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also // is convenient. Oh and stdint.h is a *very* good idea for portability < 1279941551 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, I don't even know anything about that. I don't believe I've ever died of it. < 1279941557 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :// may be convenient but it's ugly. < 1279941565 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stdint is yet another header file, big deal, we know how to learn those < 1279941565 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and breaks on Usenet < 1279941578 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :urgh, they're working on C1X < 1279941578 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1279941580 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why oh why < 1279941580 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C99 has a bunch of useful headers, actually < 1279941587 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Alignment specification (_Align specifier, alignof operator, aligned_alloc function) < 1279941588 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Multithreading support (_Thread_local storage-class specifier, header including thread creation/management functions, mutex, condition variable and thread-specific storage functionality) < 1279941592 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_Hooray _Im _So _Excited < 1279941604 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, if you need to read exactly a 32-bit int from a file you have some problems in C89 < 1279941604 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C1x multithreading? < 1279941612 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, standardising that would have to be a pain < 1279941613 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun... Got smartcard and smartcard reader. The smartcard reader is compatible. The smartcard itself isn't. < 1279941625 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you can't do that anyway without knowing the endianness < 1279941632 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm good point < 1279941638 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reluctantly installs Skype. < 1279941643 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, alignment is useful for kernel/embedded < 1279941646 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have an "exactly a 32-bit int", whatever's forcing it 32-bit is probably forcing a particular endianness at the same time < 1279941651 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deal with x86 data structures < 1279941654 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: _I _Know < 1279941656 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise you'd have "a native int" and not care about the 32-bit-ness < 1279941658 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: _Fuck _The _Committee < 1279941666 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, what is up with the leading underscores < 1279941667 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1279941676 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: _C99 _Onwards _Do _This _For _All _Their _New _Names < 1279941680 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1279941686 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_See: _Bool, _Align, _Thread_local < 1279941691 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1279941692 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_Isn't _It _Wonderful? < 1279941710 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, stdbool.h has typedef _Bool bool though < 1279941717 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, header files. < 1279941725 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lovely header files < 1279941725 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because reserving "bool" would be basically /murder/. < 1279941736 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it would break backward compat < 1279941742 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohh, I'm so sad. < 1279941753 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes threads < 1279941754 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1279941757 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact I feel a tear coming on. Aww. < 1279941762 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should add directories before threads < 1279941774 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it is getting just pure ridiculous < 1279941787 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But dude, SMP GigamegaMUMA. < 1279941795 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NUMA* < 1279941802 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MUMA. < 1279941809 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is MUMA < 1279941824 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, compatible with what? < 1279941862 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1279941869 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Whatever OS I have. < 1279941903 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm not even sure!" < 1279941924 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Debian Sqeeze on x64). < 1279942471 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1279942481 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing does vertical text right. < 1279942495 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Granted, it's not *needed* for Japanese. It'd just be nice. < 1279942507 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quick! Someone name a short novel they want typesotten. < 1279942610 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Un momento < 1279942655 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must be in English, mind. (or have an English translation, of course) :P < 1279942691 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn it; you should totally do Genji Monogatari. < 1279942710 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. I will not! < 1279942718 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is the first novel. < 1279942819 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arguable. Anyway I don't want to. < 1279942856 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, okay. < 1279942866 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you feel about Swift? < 1279942892 0 :Wamanuz!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1279942938 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very modest < 1279942962 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you like, then: "Travels into Several Remote Nations of the World, in Four Parts. By Lemuel Gulliver, First a Surgeon, and then a Captain of several Ships". < 1279943000 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the actual title? or just a subtitle? < 1279943008 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That's the actual title. < 1279943028 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: this is the 1700s < 1279943031 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course that's the actual title < 1279943048 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also known as "Gulliver's Travels", a name never given to it by Swift. < 1279943070 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I know of the book < 1279943092 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1279943098 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not so obvious from the long title < 1279943103 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, his Modest Proposal was in fact: "A Modest Proposal For Preventing the Children of Poor People in Ireland from Being a Burden to Their Parents or Country, and for Making Them Beneficial to the Publick". < 1279943130 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm well aware of both that Modest Proposal in particular, and Modest Proposals in general < 1279943141 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I /think/ I just got a dictatorship in B Nomic by proposing it and people voting FOR < 1279943161 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah. < 1279943170 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a boring way to get a B dictatorship < 1279943177 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how am I meant to pull off scams if they pass even without scamming? < 1279943180 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the great way is to make a proposal people really don't want but vote in anyway, and make that get you a dictatorship < 1279943183 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just for the sheer confusion < 1279943206 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just say "if you don't enact this proposal, era 2 will never have begun" < 1279943208 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem slved < 1279943209 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*solved < 1279943229 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect B would question a mere statement to that regard < 1279943239 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: your proposal doesn't create a rule < 1279943246 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, why? it's happened like 500 times before :-) < 1279943265 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would've been perfect if you could've found the comment bug. < 1279943276 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say that if you aren't voted dictator, you will undo everything. < 1279943280 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not say how. < 1279943282 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it /need/ to create a rule? < 1279943287 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here, at least, we can argue about whether I win or not < 1279943292 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you become dictator, retcon the commenting thing to have never happened. < 1279943299 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, I /did/ find the comment bug < 1279943331 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I care more about the proposal passing (because I get a win if I pass any proposal, with B's current gamestate), then about what it actually does < 1279943336 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Onwards headed Bjorn; his destination was the Barregan camps of far away, but his intermediate destinations were, in order: the pub, the edge of town, the pub again, the edge of town again, maybe a few more visits to the pub, home, the pub, the edge of town, and finally the shops. < 1279943368 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate to think what Bjorn's definition of "far" is < 1279943372 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :These he visited with stunning punctuality and energy, and he fit right in to their native cultures; he patted himself on the back for a job well done, deliberately forgot about the camps, and went home, content in knowing that he hadn't saved the world. < 1279943412 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: A few yards. < 1279943421 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1279943428 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't figure out whether it was a very short or very long distance < 1279943433 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or both simultaneously < 1279943435 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, now even I can't tell. < 1279943436 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's say both. < 1279943524 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As Bjorn woke the next morning, he was, much to his chagrin, reminded of his exploits-to-be by his least favourite region of the brain, which was whatever part stored memories; Bjorn wasn't really sure how the brain operated, apart from that he wished it wouldn't do so in such an efficient and unforgetting manner. So he trundled off again to the pub, and finally got up the energy, spirit, courage, and complete lack of anything else to do to leave the town, < 1279943524 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he did so. On the way, he ran into a merchant, and was planning to buy whatever he was selling, when suddenly, out of nowhere, the sun disappeared. < 1279943526 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suspects Bjorn can't tell, either < 1279943528 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1279943543 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1279943554 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Now wherefore's that, ey?" inquired Bjorn, while pointing a finger meant to be accusing but that actually just looked rather peculiar at the merchant. < 1279943602 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I've no idea what sir's talkin' 'bout, sir, though if sir woz talkin' 'bout buying me fine goods, perhaps I'd be more knowledgeable about that there subject." replied the merchant. < 1279943615 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Well," said Bjorn, "I'd like to buy the sun back." < 1279943653 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The merchant tottered away uneasily, and decided to get a job that involved fewer crazy people. Say, telemarketing. Bjorn voyaged on through the dark for maybe three meters before giving up and resting for the night. < 1279943769 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=91808&id=105695596138468 < 1279943807 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, it's the world's most stupid comic, it says so right?) < 1279943832 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bjorn was a great fan of verbose verbiage, and had a long extent of time in which to exercise this hobby of his upon meeting a priestly figure in a nearby village; not a priest exactly, or at least Bjorn had no reason to believe he was a priest, but he had a Church of Him going, so there was that. The priest spoke from the Bible of Him, which was a load of nonsense to Bjorn, and they ended up getting lost in their verbosity. A few days later, Bjorn emerged < 1279943832 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the village, in tatters but alive. < 1279943861 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ha ha, i understand norwegian < 1279943875 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have my doubts < 1279943893 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(obviously i mainly linked it for the name) < 1279943928 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In pursuit of Liberty," Bjorn had extolled to the priest-alike, "one must sacrifice many things such as Essential Toiletries, Calculating Devices and Mechanical Toys such as Potable Timepieces." < 1279943943 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Don't you mean portable timepieces?" said the priest-alike. < 1279943947 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"No," responded Bjorn. < 1279943959 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders non-calculating computers < 1279943974 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I suppose most liquids make rather inaccurate potable timepieces < 1279943980 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :via the rate of evaporation < 1279943989 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or dripping, in a suitable container < 1279943996 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: this is exactly the way Bjorn thinks, except he thinks it rather more dumbly. < 1279943998 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very honest and straight forward computers < 1279944052 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Mmm, water clocks. < 1279944068 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1279944077 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1279944081 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"will be considered non-computable until further research proves otherwise" about a trivial stack language < 1279944085 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Filth < 1279944085 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1279944087 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :water clocks in at 10 m / s < 1279944125 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well this _is_ madk, expect further research to happen quickly < 1279944208 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, he's been gnoming faster than anyone else < 1279944214 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the spam is buried under a deluge of legit edits < 1279944226 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: as I said, IEP syndrome < 1279944235 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IEP? < 1279944243 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=DoubleFuck&curid=1899&diff=18097&oldid=8583 < 1279944247 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :linking isomorphism < 1279944249 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is not a legit edit < 1279944254 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like linking "the" on wikipedia. < 1279944262 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Initial Esolang Prolificity < 1279944267 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK < 1279944276 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I don't quite think it's overlinking < 1279944284 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah um he just went and linked every instance of isomorphism < 1279944290 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1279944290 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even twice in the same paragraph < 1279944292 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is very anti-wiki < 1279944293 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I check every edit for spam < 1279944340 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i ... think someone should tell madk to slow down. < 1279944359 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do so yourself, if you like < 1279944375 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait hm, filth is not madk's language, he only interpreted it < 1279944423 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders about a "global" brainfuck-alike i.e. where all operations are on the entire tape (string) < 1279944429 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(finite but arbitrary string) < 1279944469 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the trivial version sounds useless, since all cells would have the same value... < 1279944504 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe + and - could do carry and borrow to the next cell? < 1279944541 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except then exiting loops would need all tape to right be 0 < 1279944551 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds fun < 1279944553 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the right < 1279944553 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would that work? < 1279944592 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt it. < 1279944613 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the carry/borrow might work < 1279944628 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1279944716 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but if we say the string is finite? < 1279944747 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1279944761 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ending loops only when the whole tape is 0 is rather weak < 1279944812 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :naturally < 1279944822 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe if we had multiple tapes? < 1279944868 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you could probably simulate a counter machine < 1279944905 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, good night < 1279944911 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1279945466 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1279946156 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1279946167 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1279946297 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1279946354 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1279946358 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1279946363 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1279946572 0 :CakeProphet!~adam@h61.31.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1279946718 0 :SevenInchBread!~adam@h61.31.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1279946767 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1279946772 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :CakeProphet < 1279947025 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION combines CakeProphet with 5" bread and pays $5 < 1279948423 0 :adadnl!~adadnl@rrcs-97-79-146-89.sw.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1279948440 0 :adadnl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is magic just getting something from nothing? < 1279948468 0 :adadnl!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1279948474 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhhhhh < 1279948477 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1279948608 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhhhh, wtf. < 1279948625 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agreed. < 1279949669 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1279949927 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1279951182 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1279953322 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not quite the shortest helloworld (but working): 118e8e818e8e8e8W11188e8e8e818e8e818W11188e8e818e818e8e8eeWW111888W118e818e818e8e8W118e8e8e8e8W118e818e8e818e818e818W11188e8e818e818e818e818eW111888W11188e8e818e818e8e8W11188e8e8e818e8e8W118e8e8e8e818W118e818e8W0P < 1279953667 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much simpler one: 118e41OHWe41OeWe41OlWe41OlWe41OoWe41O,We41O We41OWWe41OoWe41OrWe41OlWe41OdWe41O!W41OW0P < 1279953846 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That code actually uses code memory operators. < 1279954073 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is the hello world encoded in that? < 1279954087 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I've just spotted the letters of hello world interspersed among the general mess < 1279954116 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That in the program is actually one of the characters in message. < 1279954231 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The starting part is 118 (which loads 2 into stack), each character except last is printed by 'e410W', last character is done by '410W'. '0P' is exit the program with status 0. < 1279954395 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I removed the swap operators and replaced them with code memory operators. Makes it really "fun" to use unbounded memory. < 1279954427 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 is write code memory and 6 is append code memory. < 1279956935 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1279956990 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: I'm using NO SCRIPT WHATSOEVER - Download it at file:///dev/null < 1279957489 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, that is a LOT of carbohydrates I consumed these past few days < 1279957513 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One serving of this soda is about 10% DV for carbohydrates (all sugar) < 1279957518 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus my box of pasta... < 1279957529 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I've been drinking a LOT of this soda < 1279957553 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to American dietary patterns. < 1279957571 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel sugary < 1279957636 0 :Wamanuz!~wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1279957718 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SAD, or what was the term... < 1279957778 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My understanding is that it's not possible to get diabetes from sugar consumption < 1279957812 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't be sure about that (especially if there are other stuff that could enhance damage sugar does)... < 1279957848 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wheither sugar alone can cause diabetes... Maybe, maybe not. < 1279957871 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I shouldn't have had soda right before bed < 1279957875 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But this stuff's ADDICTIVE < 1279957924 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cream Soda < 1279957989 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One diagram I printed out blames fructose (sugar), linolic acid (soft fats) and gluten (grains). But gluten is not the only nasty thing in grains. < 1279958025 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION had a lot of pasta tonight < 1279958027 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What IS know is that sugar + refined flour => Trouble. < 1279958029 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just like every night < 1279958051 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*known < 1279958086 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say the single most worrisome thing about American diets is not the amount of single things. It's the *total amount*. < 1279958109 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shovelling down a day's worth of meals a meal is not exactly conducive to good health. < 1279958123 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :om nom nom nom < 1279958149 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just how you think body responds if fatty tissue is stealing energy? < 1279958176 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh. Omnomnom? < 1279958395 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) Provoking more hunger to replace the energy lost and 2) Decreasing enegy consumption. Do these two sound familiar? < 1279958399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1279958400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1279958419 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what you think happens if fatty tissue is stealing energy? < 1279958456 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... Fatty produces fatty tissue. Fuck. That explains how people freaking balloon. < 1279958518 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't really have to worry about such weight gain < 1279958523 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless it's relative or something < 1279958531 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've always been on the thin side < 1279958535 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That energy gets stored as fat. And it won't be released easily. < 1279958558 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I weigh 130 lbs, so I'm not really worried about what I eat making me get fat. < 1279958568 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wareya: Unless you're 3'. < 1279958572 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which case HOLY FUCK < 1279958576 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1279958584 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm 5 foot 6 or so < 1279958654 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some hypotheses say diabetes type II results when one tries to get fatter but one can't get fatter anymore. And that limit can be quite low, even within normal BMI. < 1279958692 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I 5'4" or around there < 1279958699 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't remember offhand < 1279958706 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fat cell size limit? olo < 1279958731 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Around 110lbs < 1279958740 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :111 < 1279958758 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember because I weighed myself recently to see if I was eligible to be a marrow donor < 1279958777 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also eligible to give blood, but my dad doesn't want me to due to my nutritional issues. < 1279958896 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In normal persons, if they get fatter, leptin secretion increases, which decreases hunger and increases energy consumption. < 1279958922 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, can you rephrase that? < 1279959058 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leptin reduces apetite (reducing energy intake) and increases energy consumption. And the more fat mass there is, the more leptin gets secreted. < 1279959149 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is integral part of feedback loop that (tries to) control body weight. < 1279959284 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1279959300 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I say is the single most worrisome thing about SAD is that it includes some stuffs that cause biochemical damage that then manifests as variety of health problems. < 1279959347 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SAD? < 1279959362 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Standard American Diet. < 1279959579 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There have been experiments on what happens when one eats amounts far beyond what one needs: 1) Overeating is not fun (same as what happens on Caloric Restriction). 2) Energy consumption goes way up (essentially inverse of CR) . 3) The fat gained is very easily lost (inverse of CR). < 1279959957 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think with food "what" is much bigger worry than "how much"... < 1279961209 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-8-120.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1279964137 0 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1279967460 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 253 seconds < 1279968054 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1279968080 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just concluded from this invoice that my mobile carrier use MiB for data traffic, while my phone use MB < 1279968086 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is like the reverse of the usual < 1279968344 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: End of saga: the fcam folks said next version will use type 4 in that field, because they'd like their files to be readable with dcraw too. (And even if the authot condescends to fixing it, there's a lot of dcraw-derived code floating around.) < 1279968385 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1279968523 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strange; this latest N900 firmware has split the data counters in two ("home network" and "roaming network"), but the home network stays at zero while the roaming network counter keeps increasing. < 1279968568 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, very strange indeed < 1279968592 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm btw, does the n900 use a PIN code or does it use a more linuxy user/password login? < 1279968612 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or both? < 1279968640 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the pin code for phone/SIM side, and then a lock code for booting/unlocking. < 1279968661 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1279968667 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The lock code is unfortunately limited to 8 numeric digits. :/ < 1279968696 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, couldn't that be somewhat easily modified? < 1279968703 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all it is full and unlocked linux < 1279968741 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly, but I don't know if anyone's done that. You'd probably need to modify the unlocking sreen UI. < 1279968807 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1279968818 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually the screen accepts up to 10 digits, but only first 8 are significant; for that I think someone had a fix already. < 1279968883 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1279969176 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, maemo bug #10941: "Home network data connection detected as roaming (Saunalahti, Finland)" < 1279969178 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~chatzilla@89.242.174.213 JOIN :#esoteric < 1279969186 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems I'm not the only one, then. < 1279969193 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the only what? < 1279969289 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only one with this bug. It's nothing very interesting, check them logs if you must. < 1279969297 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very off-topicy and so on. < 1279969468 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1279969491 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "Nokia comment: "We cannot do anything. Saunalahti SIM is roaming in Elisa network. And we cannot in a consistent and general way detect that this Saunalahti is part of Elisa. Only way to fix this would mean maintaining a list of such operators that roam in their home network which is not practical."" < 1279969514 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, roaming in home network < 1279969515 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1279969545 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saunalahti is one of those virtual operators, they use Elisa's network. < 1279969556 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1279969580 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently some newer Saunalahti SIMs have the correct numbers so that they work correctly. < 1279969594 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1279969622 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This SIM card is probably at least 7 years old. < 1279969636 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1279969652 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, strange it does 3G then. I had to get a new SIM card to get 3G working < 1279969679 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe that is because the network menu lists both [2G icon] TELIA and [3G Icon] Telia < 1279969747 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1279969778 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a "secondary SIM" for the 3G stick, maybe that one would work right. It'd just be a bit silly to use it, since it has some really strange trickery to make both cards work at the same time. < 1279969803 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hah < 1279969824 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, do you roam often? < 1279969834 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not it doesn't seem that much of an issue < 1279969881 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really, but I'd like to keep the "ask for data connections in roaming network + warn if much data is sent" flags on, just in case. < 1279969888 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1279969897 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that could cause some issues indeed < 1279969924 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently I keep the ask-for-permission on anyway, and the just ack it whenever it asks, so it's not such a huge problem. < 1279970034 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1279970143 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1279970366 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~chatzilla@89.242.174.213 JOIN :#esoteric < 1279970412 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1279970577 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1279970623 0 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1279970664 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~chatzilla@89.242.174.213 JOIN :#esoteric < 1279970677 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan! < 1279970686 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hides < 1279970720 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The topic hasn't changed in a ridiculously long time... < 1279970738 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ridiculous for this channel, anyhow < 1279970744 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1279970811 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1279970825 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, to what can we change it (dear Liza, dear Liza)? < 1279971080 0 :nooga!~nooga@194.116.253.238 JOIN :#esoteric < 1279971128 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1279971653 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heyo < 1279971670 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how < 1279971673 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who was here earlier as i was kvetching about java? < 1279971687 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hides again < 1279971690 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not me < 1279971700 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dont worry, its all sorted now :D < 1279971709 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you ever visit kurzweilai.net? < 1279971758 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't recall, but i've heard a little about kurzweil < 1279971768 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*read < 1279971790 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the old site, prior to the 5th of this month, had a feature called The Brain < 1279971811 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1279971825 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was basically a java-based mind-map GUI interface to a very minor encyclopedia of transhumanist/singularitarian relevant articles < 1279971863 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately, the new site doesnt have this, and the archival version of the old site is unnavigable for the relevant purposes < 1279971912 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic < 1279971916 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the data was all still there! < 1279971951 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ive downloaded it, fixed it up to not require java, and now i have a copy of the whole thing :D < 1279972027 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soon you'll find out they took it down because it was approaching evil sentience. you've doomed us all! < 1279972121 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1279972135 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless HTML can compute, i dont think theres much to worry about x3 < 1279972153 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :My other car is a cdr | Exciting new features!!! OK not really | Topic updated | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1279972159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, there ^ < 1279972194 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: O KAY < 1279972214 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1199 articles, oerjan! all for us! < 1279972223 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1279972233 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1279972511 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Later < 1279972618 0 :tombom_!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1279972750 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1279974368 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1279974417 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-25-180.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1279974885 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: omghaahhahaohwow < 1279975021 0 :Quadrescence!~Quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence JOIN :#esoteric < 1279975419 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1279975428 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1279975670 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1279976038 0 :tombom_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1279976261 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1279978241 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1279978249 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1279980735 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1279980745 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1279980835 0 :chickenzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: error:1408F10B:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_RECORD:wrong version number < 1279981057 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1279981064 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1279981066 0 :mquin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: boing < 1279981326 0 :chickenzilla!~chicken@olol.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1279982935 0 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1279983139 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1279984449 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1279984460 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1279984942 0 :mquin!~freenode@freenode/staff/mquin JOIN :#esoteric < 1279985097 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1279985109 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1279985110 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1279985115 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1279986224 0 :Arzgarb!~Ilkka@dyn70-121.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1279986854 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1279986864 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1279988036 0 :Arzgarb!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1279988169 0 :ClaraVC!~ClaraVC@190.183.110.123 JOIN :#esoteric < 1279988182 0 :ClaraVC!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1279989066 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1279989075 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1279991821 0 :AnMaster!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1279991831 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1279992650 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1279992659 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1279993731 0 :AnMaster!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1279994722 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tr.froup.com/tr.pl?1023 < 1279994824 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tr.froup.com/tr.pl?1025 < 1279997153 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1279997289 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@75-151-73-57-Spokane.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1279998581 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16456 <-- argh < 1279998734 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1279999069 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1280000091 0 :atrapado!~roper@46.188.116.91.dynamic.mundo-r.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1280000262 0 :CakeProphet!~adam@h81.48.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280000803 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1280003561 0 :Wamanuz!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1280004330 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1280004805 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys, are there any algorithms that automatically detect and analyse encryption? < 1280005172 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd imagine that there's some encryption designed not to be detected < 1280005205 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Impossible in the general case; probably algorithms for specific encryption schemes though. < 1280005227 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the general case, you've got to deal with stuff like one-time pads. < 1280005249 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which are, without the pad, undistinguishable from random noise. < 1280005315 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One goal of all encryption algorithms is (generally) for encrypted data to be indistinguishable from noise. < 1280005340 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats what i figured < 1280005353 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes; a one-time pad provides this perfectly. Most others get absurdly close, and probably can't be distinguished readily without metadata. < 1280005365 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If encryption algorithm is decent, its output appears to be random noise. < 1280005387 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Effectively most others are generating a one-time pad in a deterministic way so that somebody else can generate the same pad (symmetric ones anyway) < 1280005389 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But who regularly transmits random noise? < 1280005390 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but im curious tho, then, how normal cryptography these days can be detected at all and defeated even < 1280005400 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you see random noise, it's probably encrypted? < 1280005404 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only possiblity to identify encrypted data from random data is via associated metadata and other structures. < 1280005431 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*decently encrypted data < 1280005440 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Not necessarily. < 1280005450 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if you just want to distinguish encrypted data from other data, you just discount the possibility of random data since most people don't just throw random data around :P < 1280005452 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are, in fact, transmitters of random noise. < 1280005479 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, if you have some sort of pseudorandom number generator, and both the source and the destination have these synched up < 1280005502 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: nc Sgeo: One can generate MD5 collisions; hence, it is broken. <-- one can in theory do this for any hash given enough time. However, what I think you mean is that "one can generate such a collision in feasible time on existing (though high end) hardware" < 1280006192 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes. < 1280006208 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, one can actually *go out and produce real-world collisions if you feel like it*. < 1280006221 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I mean, given enough time I could generate a SHA-512 collision with an Intel 80286 too! < 1280006225 0 :Wamanuz!~wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1280006233 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :High-end hardware such as gaming consoles. (I think the "rogue CA from MD5 collisions" attack demonstration used 200 PS3's.) < 1280006247 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably heat death of universe first, though that is mere conjecture. Haven't made any calculations on it. < 1280006264 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes, but you may well have the 80286 suffer from radioactive decay first. :P < 1280006270 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, PS3 does have that rather high end Cell CPU < 1280006287 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1280006287 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, hah, didn't think of that one < 1280006291 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: High-end 5 years ago. < 1280006311 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell let kol = 1:2:2:(concat.zipWith replicate.drop 2 kol)cycle[1,2] in take 100 kol < 1280006336 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell main = print $ let kol = 1:2:2:(concat.zipWith replicate.drop 2 kol)cycle[1,2] in take 100 kol < 1280006346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, still I seem to remember reading that Cell is way more suited to this task than common x86-64 CPUs and such are. < 1280006358 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1280006367 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GPUs. < 1280006376 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1280006432 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note: EgoBot might not actually work :P < 1280006439 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("Hi") < 1280006444 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1280006448 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, it might *shrugs* < 1280006456 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell main = print $ let kol = 1:2:2:(concat.zipWith replicate(drop 2 kol)$cycle[1,2]) in take 100 kol < 1280006459 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1,2,2,1,1,2,1,2,2,1,2,2,1,1,2,1,1,2,2,1,2,1,1,2,1,2,2,1,1,2,1,1,2,1,2,2,1,2,2,1,1,2,1,2,2,1,2,1,1,2,1,1,2,2,1,2,2,1,1,2,1,2,2,1,2,2,1,1,2,1,1,2,1,2,2,1,2,1,1,2,2,1,2,2,1,1,2,1,2,2,1,2,2,1,1,2,1,1,2,2] < 1280006476 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They call it a SPU, for "Synergistic Processing Unit", for maximum buzzword compliance. < 1280006533 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sinner-jizztic processing unit < 1280006613 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Each certificate we purchased from RapidSSL cost us USD 45. However, the CA allowed us to reissue each certificate up to 20 times for free, which meant that a single certificate request cost us only USD 2.25. In total, we spent USD 657 on purchasing certificates for this project." But on the other hand: now you have your own CA, and can have all the certificates you could ever want, for free! (Even for other people's domains.) < 1280006634 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1280007284 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh... This one site, ISP's recursive resolver resolves it, my own recursive resolver doesn't (SERVFAIL). < 1280007308 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I set CD bit in query, then I get NXDOMAIN. < 1280007372 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your ISP's resolver is probably broken. < 1280007403 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISP's resolver doesn't have DNSSEC enabled. My own has (TA list includes just TA for .). < 1280007419 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION works in a demonic lair < 1280007455 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. '.' is DNSSec-enabled now. < 1280007519 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is 8.8.8.8 DNSSEC enabled? < 1280007532 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea. < 1280007669 0 :MizardX!~MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1280007849 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, I think so: dig +dnssec @8.8.8.8 www.nic.cat < 1280009358 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I think one of my boxes has a motherboard that's on coreboot's (impressively long) list of supported motherboards. (I don't think I'm experimental enough to try it out, though.) < 1280009840 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1280010060 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1280010166 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1280010653 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1280010657 0 :Wamanuz!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1280010729 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, back home at last. And more relevantly, back with my Linux laptop. < 1280010895 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION finally installs Agda < 1280011048 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders Self < 1280011051 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where's alise? < 1280011191 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does he never not come here when he can? < 1280011388 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So anyway, I was wondering earlier today how one would represent the computable reals in a proof checker? < 1280011484 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My first and so far only idea was to have a function and a proof that it converges. < 1280011541 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1280011560 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ais523? < 1280011645 0 :CakeProphet!~adam@h110.5.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280011680 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a function from naturals to rationals, you mean? < 1280011688 0 :Wamanuz!~wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1280011805 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In theory, all computable reals should be mappable to a natural, I think < 1280011820 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm technically such a function could converge (and thus to a computable real) even if there is no proof of that fact >:D < 1280011838 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never quite believed that the CRs were countable. < 1280011866 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure you can diagonalise them. < 1280011880 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're probably not countable internally to a constructive/computable logic prover < 1280011891 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god, Agda is giving me Mysterious Parse Errors. < 1280011906 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, module definition. < 1280011907 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1280011926 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, which gives you a noncomputable real. < 1280011935 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it? < 1280011948 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely you can make a list of them computably. < 1280011951 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming you start with a list of all computable reals, it should < 1280012002 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not necessarily. as i said, it may be unprovable whether a particular function gives a computable real < 1280012034 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so then you can have a thing that goes along the (computable) list, then finds the (computable) nth digit of the nth term, then changes it and concatenates it onto its diagonal. < 1280012048 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there might be computable reals that have only nonprovable functions converging to it < 1280012075 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, is that in response to my idea on how to represent them? < 1280012101 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just < 1280012111 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a common representation, i think < 1280012124 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm pointing out you cannot make a list < 1280012133 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, OK. < 1280012140 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But surely that makes them uncountable? < 1280012149 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a _computable_ list < 1280012159 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohh. < 1280012186 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, can we go back to the CR-as-function-and-proof-of-convergence idea? < 1280012200 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can solve the halting problem etc., you can easily make a list < 1280012213 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing is there might not be a proof < 1280012221 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1280012232 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So how can you tell if it's a CR? < 1280012237 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cannot < 1280012241 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAA < 1280012269 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I'll have to stick for CRs for which the generating function is provably converging. < 1280012322 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right... in which case you can make a list of them, and when you diagonalize i _think_ you get a CR for which there is no proof < 1280012346 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*a computable list < 1280012381 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nonono, I was wondering if it was a practical way of manipulating members of a subset of the CRs in a proof assistant such as Agda. < 1280012412 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1280012442 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure at all about how to do the proof of convergence. < 1280012450 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm not familiar with proof assistants so i don't know how these subtle differences affect things < 1280012467 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All functions must be provably terminating, for a start. < 1280012493 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well the proof would be specific to each function, obviously < 1280012533 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's the annoying bit. < 1280012579 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, a proof assistant _might_ allow you to prove things about all computable reals (by logic), despite not being able to represent all of them with a proof that they are CRs < 1280012634 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once you have the proof bit, most other things are trivial. < 1280012644 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not quite. < 1280012663 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a and b are CRs, is ab? < 1280012671 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a+b? < 1280012681 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1280012701 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are easy, you just multiply or add each rational value of the functions < 1280012714 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excellent. < 1280012742 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1280012797 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, you can get at least one constructor for the convergence proposition, then. < 1280012873 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Converges : (N -> Q) where < 1280012921 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : _,_ : Converges f -> Converges g -> Converges (\x -> f x * g x) < 1280012926 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something like that. < 1280013040 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The same for f x + g x. < 1280013080 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is deep maths; I have no idea how this would work. < 1280013083 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure alise would be better to talk about all this with, he's done it all before i think :) < 1280013103 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awww. < 1280013113 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where's the fun in being told how to do it? < 1280013145 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, for one thing your definition of "converges" should probably be that it's a "cauchy sequence" < 1280013192 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :essentially, that the values of the function eventually get close to _each other_ < 1280013224 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure it can't use native functions, come to think of it. < 1280013498 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume it's impossible to tell if a function from N to Q is a Cauchy sequence? < 1280013588 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1280013647 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so by "function" we mean "code for a function". < 1280013669 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rice's_theorem < 1280013681 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, references! < 1280013719 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, but I gave up on proving convergence for everything. < 1280013720 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1280013737 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The set only works on those functions that converge. < 1280013755 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And can be proven converg...y? < 1280013769 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :convergent < 1280013778 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1280013809 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks. < 1280013848 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, perhaps you can have a type Convergent the constructors of which build a code for a convergent function. < 1280013873 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1280013890 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making non-trivial functions constructable would be tricky. < 1280014070 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1280014071 0 :relet!~hirtho@port-92-206-46-81.dynamic.qsc.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1280014213 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, to start off with, k is always convergent. < 1280014599 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aagh, I don't know enough to do this properly. < 1280014853 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :walk -> < 1280014861 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Walk? < 1280014864 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :run -> < 1280014881 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fly -? < 1280014894 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you not familiar with oklonotation? < 1280014900 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1280014910 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means i'm going away to take a walk, now < 1280014936 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly oklopol may have stopped using it. < 1280014945 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least as much. < 1280014950 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1280014970 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1280014976 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make tea ->, then. < 1280014986 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1280015193 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cig -> < 1280015424 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone read A Deepness in the Sky? < 1280015436 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<- cig < 1280015445 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not me. < 1280015459 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can Google it and pretend to have, though. < 1280015603 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection