< 1280016193 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@(D $) (D -) $ < 1280016319 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1280016659 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%(* Y) ' _ % ! '(7 :) < 1280016659 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :` . `(_ 7) !(0 W) < 1280016659 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%(1 3) < 1280016661 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1280016666 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beh < 1280016669 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut up HackEgo < 1280016953 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% < 1280016956 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%hello < 1280016965 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, ` . < 1280017393 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_ @(? ~(`(I _(3 X)) 9)) .(*(%($ `(! =)) $(? _)) /(% *)) + & < 1280017398 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty < 1280017863 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Random irritating thing: why can't the integers be abbreviated to I, rather than Z? < 1280017942 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, hm I is something else, isn't it? < 1280017950 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zintegers < 1280017972 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's short for "Zahl", so it might be because a German named them. < 1280018005 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q makes sense, as do N and R. < 1280018019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q does not. It should be K < 1280018026 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a letter for the algebraic numbers? < 1280018029 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Z should be H < 1280018037 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, why K and H? < 1280018038 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :N does make sense, and so does R < 1280018038 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not to my knowledhe. < 1280018044 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, because that matches Swedish < 1280018049 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's one for constructible numbers, I think < 1280018052 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kvoter and Heltal < 1280018056 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q is for "quotient". < 1280018060 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahh. < 1280018070 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, why so English centric < 1280018079 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is what I'm trying to poke fun at < 1280018082 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1280018084 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got a book < 1280018086 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, H is the quaternions for very good reasons. < 1280018089 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Says algebraic are A < 1280018095 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :constructibles are gamma < 1280018095 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, well that would be Q then < 1280018105 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q = Quaternions < 1280018108 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good point. < 1280018121 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quaternions are H < 1280018127 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, anyway, I was trying to poke fun at you being too English-centric < 1280018131 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For Hypercomplex < 1280018160 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, I just want consistency! < 1280018162 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um not for Hamilton? < 1280018166 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe < 1280018167 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iunno < 1280018175 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make them all Swedish, or all German, or all English. < 1280018181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, but the other letters probably matches German? < 1280018181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or? < 1280018186 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe not H < 1280018194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Q R and N I would assume do < 1280018194 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're all of historical origins, Phantom_Hoover. < 1280018198 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q should of course be B, for brøk < 1280018201 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As are every scientific things. < 1280018207 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, I know, of course. < 1280018211 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes that would work for Swedish too, BrÃ¥l < 1280018212 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1280018215 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BrÃ¥k* < 1280018236 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, wait you use an ö there!? < 1280018237 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1280018240 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously < 1280018256 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course not, i use an ø < 1280018287 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brÃ¥k means noise in norwegian < 1280018363 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SGI's math library has a single-precision-float-pair complex number type "complex", but the double-precision variant is called "zomplex"; I had a hard time not to think of zombies or "zomg, complex numbers!" every time I heard it. < 1280018383 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, brÃ¥k means ~brawl in Swedish as well < 1280018385 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :enter the zomplex at your own risk < 1280018421 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, did they provide any rationale? < 1280018465 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, that gives me an idea. < 1280018496 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nomplexes are a+bi where a, b \in N < 1280018535 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zomplexes are a, b \in | < 1280018542 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/|/Z/ < 1280018563 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Qomplexes in Q, and Romplexes in R. < 1280018580 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zomplexes are therefore more commonly known as Gaussian integers. < 1280018583 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm brÃ¥k could also be trouble. not brawl i think, maybe riot. < 1280018629 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait english brawl can mean that too? < 1280018649 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, riot could be included in brÃ¥k too < 1280018650 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can, pretty much < 1280018677 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a brawl is a relatively disordered combat between a bunch of people, normally with no or improvised weapons < 1280018694 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um i meant, brawl can mean things not involving fighting < 1280018696 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and generally they're just attacking whoever's nearest or whoever they hit < 1280018702 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, really? < 1280018708 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but brÃ¥k could also be a lot milder. You could have some children "brÃ¥kande" about some toy or such as well. < 1280018715 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Polish brak means lack of sth < 1280018717 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in English neither riot nor brawl would work there < 1280018725 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google define: says so... < 1280018727 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed < 1280018733 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to AnMaster) < 1280018759 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brak is an omnemat word in Swedish for something breaking or such. Or falling down with a large noice < 1280018766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :noise* < 1280018771 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? =(- &(% C)) ^(1 $(@(1 =) `(* T))) ^(! +(_ 8)) = < 1280018778 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, what esolang? < 1280018787 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know yet < 1280018795 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm trying to generate one < 1280018801 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the denotation of brÃ¥k is afaik about the noise, while for brawl it's about the fighting, even if they can overlap < 1280018811 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, the answer to that equation should be 42 < 1280018815 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1280018821 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brak is an onomatopoeion in norwegian too < 1280018827 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunder og brak < 1280018831 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1280018844 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunder och brak in Swedish < 1280018870 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brÃ¥k can't be noise in Swedish though < 1280018900 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1280018946 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I think they took that from BLAS/LAPACK function names, which use a single-letter prefix S/D/C/Z depending on whether the routine operates on single/double/single-complex/double-complex args. Don't know why a z there, but there's not really an obvious choice to take. < 1280018964 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, also att brÃ¥ka is also some technical step in the process of making linnen from flax iirc < 1280018995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm < 1280018995 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also double-precision complex might have been added later than the others. < 1280018996 0 :Wamanuz!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1280019091 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, obviously they decided they weren't going to add any other "class" of functions, thus decided to be final about it with the choice of the last letter < 1280019132 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: z is the usual name for complex variables, isn't it? < 1280019138 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like the complex version of x < 1280019157 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1280019159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point < 1280019221 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: hm the noun brÃ¥k apparently has something to do with flax in norwegian too < 1280019234 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Etter at linet var tørket (pÃ¥ bastu eller kjone, se dette), ble den trelignende kjernen i linstenglene knust, oftest ved hjelp av (lin-)brÃ¥k, f." < 1280019352 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kjone? < 1280019353 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm verb too < 1280019356 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"NÃ¥r det var høveleg turt, tok me det pÃ¥ brÃ¥ke og brÃ¥ka det. BrÃ¥ki var ein kubbe som stod pÃ¥ tvo føter i eine enden, men lÃ¥g nedpÃ¥ jordi med hin. Dei brukte mykje attÃ¥t visse, kunnige kjerringar te brÃ¥ke." < 1280019367 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's some hideously old nynorsk :D < 1280019386 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, brÃ¥k is a noun and verb in Swedish < 1280019401 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well actually, brÃ¥ka is the verb < 1280019412 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well this is about the flax meanings < 1280019425 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure there < 1280019445 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea what kjone means, bastu is ~sauna < 1280019500 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well bastu is bastu in Swedish too < 1280019504 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I could guess that < 1280019524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, iirc you mess up the meaning of the word "roligt" too, to mean something else than "fun" < 1280019551 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was really confused today when at my favorite restaurant < 1280019564 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1280019573 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's this swedish waiter, and she said something involving "roligt" < 1280019613 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i _know_ the difference in meaning, but she actually used it for the norwegian meaning... < 1280019641 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA < 1280019664 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(norwegian rolig means ~sv:lugnt, she was talking about how it was a slow day i think) < 1280019686 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my brother studies norwegian philology :D < 1280019747 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally the _modern_ norwegian word for sauna is badstu with a d < 1280019771 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i guess that was just a typo, then < 1280019796 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was ta typo? < 1280019813 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a* < 1280019852 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bastu in that norwegian quote above < 1280019869 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you know where Floro lies?? < 1280019898 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hm < 1280019906 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, or they used the proper spelling < 1280019907 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Florø < 1280019910 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1280019920 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats AnMaster -----### < 1280019927 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: well i can find out < 1280019928 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, I guess on the veil island < 1280019939 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if that joke carries over to Norwegian < 1280019951 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;p < 1280019959 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flor is more about flowers, although it's not very common in norwegian < 1280019970 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"blomster stÃ¥r i flor" < 1280019975 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1280019989 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1280019990 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"stÃ¥ i blomster" exists in Swedish < 1280020002 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but well, "blomster stÃ¥r i blomster" would be just silly < 1280020006 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though that would work < 1280020009 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beh < 1280020023 0 :relet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1280020044 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"stÃ¥r i blomst" is also possible < 1280020047 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cutr.pl/612967a049 < 1280020054 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, btw how come I never see any Norwegians working in Sweden? < 1280020067 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy < 1280020070 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: swedish is a low-salary country compared to norway < 1280020074 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweden < Norway < 1280020076 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1280020087 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EU < Norway < 1280020088 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, higher unemployment < 1280020092 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :World < Norway < 1280020103 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also low-price, if you live close to the border and either work at systembolaget or in a supermarket that is significant) < 1280020109 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, don't you have higher living costs iirc? < 1280020112 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i _think_ norway has about the lowest unemployment in europe < 1280020118 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well so they say < 1280020137 0 :Madk!~Madk@c-71-63-79-112.hsd1.va.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280020139 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw norwegians working in scotland < 1280020145 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey hey hey < 1280020150 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :check THIS out < 1280020158 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my newest esolang idea :D < 1280020158 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Gerbil < 1280020168 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gerbil? isn't that a rodent? < 1280020174 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That AI will be horrible to code < 1280020176 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :libger < 1280020178 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yes < 1280020186 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it's german based < 1280020225 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: it's supposedly the westernmost town in norway < 1280020231 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I also created Cardinal, I'm not so against animal names :P < 1280020265 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: sounds (like it could be) related to "libgrr, fueled by anger" < 1280020277 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: uhuh < 1280020321 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madk: you get N plus-points for application of gerbils and kittens to esolangs < 1280020335 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1280020350 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 internets < 1280020354 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd say < 1280020386 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: of course, there is an official exchange rate for plus-points to/from internets < 1280020406 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno what value for N correspond to 2 internets though < 1280020530 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madk: reminds me a bit of Hunter < 1280020639 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1280020657 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although not so much details in common < 1280020712 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the 2d and the moving animal theme < 1280020760 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know that i'm thinking about a language like famous Feather? < 1280020824 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and at the base level it still looks pretty much like Scheme :| < 1280020868 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madk, suggestion: drop @ < 1280020885 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madk, rather program should terminate where there are no gerbils left < 1280020895 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that seems like a good idea < 1280020921 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madk, that makes cat/kittens more required too < 1280020931 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1280020950 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it'll be a real challenge to code in - technically once could just do M [code] % but then you'd have no loops < 1280020960 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ could mean division by 0 and therefore estruction of simulated universe < 1280020970 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d* < 1280020985 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you wanted a loop of any sort, you'd have to introduce dispensers and reproduction and cats and obstacles and a plethora of other elements < 1280020987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, mine is harder to code it < 1280020988 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in* < 1280021000 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oh, and I meant M [code] %* < 1280021002 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1280021028 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the gerbil heads for the feed and does the instructions but dies before the feed is reached < 1280021034 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madk, the exact behaviour of cats, kittens must be defined in the spec < 1280021038 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1280021039 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, underload is so elegant < 1280021045 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise, it would be implementation defined < 1280021046 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing will be random < 1280021052 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that would be bad < 1280021056 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madk, very nice esolang < 1280021068 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I need to see how things will play out before I set anything in concrete < 1280021077 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1280021086 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you _might_ need a one way door or such < 1280021096 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps. < 1280021115 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's already one < 1280021125 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bridge? < 1280021126 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1280021130 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use #.#(## < 1280021131 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that allows two directions < 1280021138 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. being where the door should shut < 1280021156 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. is output? < 1280021157 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :need to reopen in, _)#.# < 1280021163 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just blank space < 1280021166 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to show < 1280021177 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I see no way to programmatic control a door at all < 1280021243 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 - returns the memory cell pointer to 0 < 1280021246 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madk, define returns < 1280021278 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :setting gerbil in concrete, how cruel < 1280021285 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :set it to the 0 address < 1280021293 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :P < 1280021329 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : need to reopen in, _)#.# <-- what is _ < 1280021343 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, this imbicile looking for hackers to help him went to ##C, then to #nethack < 1280021347 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now he's asking me for help < 1280021355 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#nethack... < 1280021359 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster: _ was a blank space < 1280021362 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any ideas on what I could do? >:D < 1280021370 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madk, I use a mono space font. I can see spaces < 1280021374 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, /ignore < 1280021385 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, I mentioned #nethack in ##C, wondering if they experience the problem more < 1280021394 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1280021400 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those () are supposed to be <> < 1280021410 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1280021455 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll start coding it a bit later, I'm not looking forward to getting A* to work :| < 1280021459 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madk, what activates ><^v < 1280021467 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me: "I do know of places that would laugh at you, and places that would probably attack you for merely making the suggestion." < 1280021481 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madk, A being? < 1280021484 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe only gerbils and kittens, don't know yet < 1280021491 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah < 1280021540 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it's going to involve at lot of highly unpredicatble (but still nonrandom and definite) AI, I don't want to settle on much of anything yet < 1280021554 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I code AI, I like to overdo it < 1280021556 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1280021559 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1280021567 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madk, do cats with neural networks then < 1280021573 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't overdo much more than that < 1280021583 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster: neural nets aren't suited for this < 1280021586 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first they ignore you, then laugh at you, then hate you < 1280021590 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I _have_ written one before < 1280021590 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madk, true < 1280021597 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night → < 1280021605 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :goodnight < 1280021649 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster: neural nets are for pattern recognition, not logical behavior < 1280021682 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's why getting a neural net to recognize XOR logic is so difficult < 1280021705 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm apparently the original is by gandhi < 1280021772 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: First they ignore you, then they continue to ignore you, then they go do something else while you cry in the fetal position. < 1280021793 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i don't _think_ that's how gandhi said it < 1280021805 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: original what? < 1280021806 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They misquoted him. < 1280021818 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madk: quote < 1280021837 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1280021848 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." < 1280021862 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: And then, you make some salt and somehow years later you are remembered forever. < 1280021881 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah it's apparently disputed that gandhi said it < 1280021904 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madk: it just fit with sgeo's hacker < 1280021914 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1280021961 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so because of Sgeo he is now destined to take over all the world's computers and become world dictator. alas. < 1280021961 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today's lesson in how to be offensive: Mahatma-X < 1280021980 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the "then you win" part) < 1280021989 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A movie, "based on a true story", chronicling Mahatma Gandhi's secret life as a hitman for the mob. < 1280022010 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on a true story in that the parts in which he isn't killing people are taken from his real life. < 1280022037 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i thought you were going for mingling in some malcolm X there too < 1280022047 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: *cough*Gandhi II*cough* < 1280022069 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: GANDHI/MALCOLM-X SLASH GO < 1280022078 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: in which he is revealed to be an alien from another planet *ducks and runs* < 1280022141 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... What, did nobody else see Weird Al's UHF? < 1280022171 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't recall that scene :P < 1280022172 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently not, i'm just making a parallel to another film i've never seen < 1280022175 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Had to go look it up on YouTube. < 1280022182 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Curses. < 1280022203 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can you forget the idea of Gandhi returning? And this time, it's personal!? < 1280022207 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Alas. < 1280022257 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: throw in the buddha, maybe? < 1280022274 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Awesome. < 1280022290 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, throw in the Laughing Buddha, too. < 1280022302 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd also throw in jesus, except he _did_ get personal in at least one scene at the temple < 1280022311 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*HIGH PITCH SCREECH* < 1280022315 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*DRAWN OUT* < 1280022319 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*IT'S BUILDING* < 1280022325 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*STARTING QUIETLY* < 1280022326 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Arguably Jesus took everything personally. < 1280022334 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*THE CAMERA BLINKS ON* < 1280022356 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*THERE'S A PRE-REVOLUTIONARY US ARMY" < 1280022387 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*THERE'S A LOT OF INFANTRY* < 1280022393 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*AND SOME HORSES* < 1280022407 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*THE CAMERA IS PANNING, SHOWING THE ARMY* < 1280022429 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*THE GENERALS ARE FALLING* < 1280022435 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*BUT THE SOLDIERS ARE NOT* < 1280022435 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm yes there's that whole "No One Comes To The Father Except Through Me" thing < 1280022453 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*THE CAMERA SHOWS MORE GENERALS AND ARMY* < 1280022458 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*THEY ALL FALL* < 1280022461 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*THEN* < 1280022473 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*A GENERAL ON A WHITE HORSE* < 1280022489 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ALL THE SOLDIERS AROUND HIM FALL BUT HE DOES NOT* < 1280022499 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the buildup stops, it's silent < 1280022509 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flames are flickering but otherwise it's black < 1280022518 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the flames start to reveal the face of an indean chief < 1280022522 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he mumbles < 1280022529 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I wanted to meet the man.." < 1280022536 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: He's also remembered for such feats as telling a corpse to walk out of the grave. < 1280022537 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :".. who bullets could not kill." < 1280022549 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: details, details < 1280022550 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cue epic drum solo < 1280022555 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1280022566 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bunch of war scenes flash quickly < 1280022576 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :low movie announcer voice < 1280022583 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"GEORGE WASHINGTON" < 1280022591 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"in theaters this summer" < 1280022640 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... And then everybody dance naked on top of the building, singing Uganda's national anthem and flogging themselves with young rhubarb < 1280022647 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? < 1280022662 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: i _think_ you may be confusing it with another movie < 1280022666 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1280022684 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a hunch, mind you < 1280022695 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with washington played by the guy neo in matrix (and the star in speed) and I can't recall his name < 1280022729 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be like an action-biography < 1280022735 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :keanu reeves < 1280022750 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know there are a ton of epic rumors about washington before he'd become president < 1280022761 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sounds familiar, yea < 1280022779 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only know about a certain tree and axe < 1280022784 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1280022785 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that trailer description is rumored to have actually happened < 1280022795 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's said his clothing was full of bullet holes < 1280022818 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also (I think this one's true) said he had 3 horses shot from under him in some battle < 1280022818 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you say so < 1280022830 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA < 1280022845 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got an idea for an awesome arcade game < 1280022848 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something that happened to jackson could be fusged to fit george though < 1280022868 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before he was quite president, a man tried to shoot and assassinate andrew jackson < 1280022873 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :his handgun failed twice < 1280022879 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a 6 shot revolver < 1280022885 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all 6 rounds had been loaded < 1280022903 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C-C-C-C-C-... < 1280022904 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that, I think, is an actual event < 1280022908 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :COMPILE ERROR < 1280022911 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;F < 1280022912 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1280022940 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, adrew jackson took place in a lot of duels < 1280022950 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was riddled with lead by the time he died at a ripe old age < 1280022960 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was that stonewall < 1280022967 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really don't remember .-. < 1280023017 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On January 30, 1835, what is believed to be the first attempt to kill a sitting President of the United States occurred just outside the United States Capitol. When Jackson was leaving the Capitol out of the East Portico after the funeral of South Carolina Representative Warren R. Davis, Richard Lawrence, an unemployed and deranged housepainter from England, either burst from a crowd or stepped out from hiding behind a column and aimed a < 1280023017 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pistol at Jackson, which misfired. Lawrence then pulled out a second pistol, which also misfired. It has been postulated that moisture from the humid weather contributed to the double misfiring.[50] Lawrence was then restrained, with legend saying that Jackson attacked Lawrence with his cane, prompting his aides to restrain him. Others present, including David Crockett, restrained and disarmed Lawrence. < 1280023024 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's Andrew Jackson? < 1280023032 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a president of the US < 1280023043 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never heard of < 1280023051 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16th othe 7th < 1280023059 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 7th president* < 1280023111 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah lame assasination methods < 1280023141 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Senator Crockett was such a badass. < 1280023158 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, he was a lam-o < 1280023197 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't they just crash one plane with half of government, high command and the president :D < 1280023230 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: of course not, they hadn't invented planes yet < 1280023235 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1280023331 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, that reminded me a situation from yesterday: they've put big cross in front of presidential palace in Warsaw < 1280023372 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the battle beagn because some ppl want the cross to be there and others don't like it < 1280023396 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait crockett only was a representative, not a senator < 1280023397 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then pastafarians came and put big bowl of spaghetti in front of the palace < 1280023445 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then catholics got extremelly pissed off < 1280023535 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ridiculous < 1280024111 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1280024661 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bedtime < 1280024663 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gn8 < 1280024668 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1280024669 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DON'T LEAVE < 1280024672 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooo < 1280024685 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel so alone < 1280024723 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boo < 1280025214 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bees < 1280025780 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz < 1280025783 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt < 1280025786 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zz < 1280025790 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz < 1280025797 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric 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:pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1280032862 0 :coppro!~coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1280033344 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-106-123-171.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280033895 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1280034213 0 :coppro!~coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1280034306 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1280034314 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1280036054 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1280043229 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suddenly finds a forgotten stash of porn movies. < 1280043780 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is certain you will soon regret finding it < 1280044799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1280044800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1280044875 0 :Madk!~Madk@c-71-63-79-112.hsd1.va.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280045442 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1280045444 0 :MizardX!~MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1280048322 0 :yiyus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1280048324 0 :yiyus!~124271242@67.202.106.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1280049029 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1280049042 0 :MizardX!~MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1280050616 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1280050767 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1280051286 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1280052438 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1280054428 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1280054448 0 :relet!~hirtho@port-92-206-46-81.dynamic.qsc.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1280054503 0 :MizardX!~MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1280056314 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-11-128.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280056594 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1280057050 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1280057632 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: I'm using NO SCRIPT WHATSOEVER - Download it at file:///dev/null < 1280057684 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1280057911 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1280058366 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1280058477 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know, write anything on this channel? < 1280058483 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/know/now/ < 1280058487 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1280058536 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No-one's mentioned anything of interest, and I can't se the point in bringing up last night's discussion without at least oerjan, ais or alise. < 1280058546 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1280058664 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I play Dungeons and Dragons game, I try to avoid to kill someone, in nearly all cases, sometimes there is exceptions. Other player characters and non-player character sin the same team are differently though. My brother's character is NINJA < 1280058687 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He is NINJA? < 1280058711 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I'm unfamiliar with D&D. < 1280058716 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's an NPC sin? < 1280058717 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I capitalized it just for emphasis only < 1280058729 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/character sin/characters in/ < 1280058736 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I put the space in the wrong place by mistake) < 1280058739 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww, that would have been cool. < 1280058866 0 :Wamanuz!~Markus@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1280058892 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are some non-player characters in the same party, one of which not human. Mostly those non-player characters are the king's guards and so on, and might use magic missiles and swords and various things. But I don't use any of that stuff. I use things like "Control Light" and webs. < 1280058954 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you think you would play a game such as D&D, in your opinion? < 1280058962 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea. < 1280058982 0 :relet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1280058987 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a terrible feeling that I would be unable to take everything seriously, at least at first. < 1280059018 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always win because I do everything always unexpected < 1280059049 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I jump off a cliff wearing my underpants on my head." < 1280059066 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quite like that, but.... < 1280059097 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1280059107 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The DM makes up situations they don't know how to win but the players do figure it out anyways < 1280059114 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, also, is there no channel on freenode dedicated to D&D? < 1280059120 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, BORING. < 1280059126 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what? < 1280059143 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: There is on other IRC networks < 1280059146 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D&D : zzo38 :: Active Worlds : Sgeo? < 1280059149 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, let's not let him distract us from all of our on-topic conversations. < 1280059191 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no need to be distracted when you have any on-topic conversations! But currently is few people on here < 1280059261 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But when I do kill someone in D&D (which is rarely), I would often eat them or let Obkwag eat them, or both eat them < 1280059276 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But usually there is 100 other choices no need kill someone < 1280059292 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eating one's enemies is indeed unexpected. < 1280059344 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : D&D : zzo38 :: Active Worlds : Sgeo? <-- no, zzo38 does trading games too < 1280059347 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1280059356 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like magic the gathering < 1280059359 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do non-AW things! < 1280059359 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or such < 1280059367 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, okay you have PSOX too < 1280059367 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Often when they are still live. Obkwag does the same < 1280059392 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The scary thing is, that was the easiest example to think of offhand < 1280059396 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, why eat them < 1280059402 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, have you tried the Spanish Inquisition for an unexpected thing? < 1280059414 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition! < 1280059427 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION watches that on Youtube. < 1280059445 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, take that last one too, where everybody does < 1280059452 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote an interpreter for http://esolangs.org/wiki/Foobar_and_Foobaz_and_Barbaz,_oh_my! < 1280059457 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes I have thought of that idea once, where I thought it might be useful. < 1280059457 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly, that was a long time ago < 1280059462 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And rather cruddy < 1280059507 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You waste the body if you do not eat them? Also because someone is more hungry? < 1280059511 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Java < 1280059520 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do *you* think?? < 1280059561 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1280059578 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, how about MORTGAGE? < 1280059596 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has one command, MORTGAGE, which prints your mortgage interest. < 1280059684 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also because Obkwag is otyugh and my character is ettercap. But most character are human < 1280059702 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The names "Obkwag" and "Vyb" were selected by rolling the dice for each letter) < 1280059738 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You roll 1d6 to select type (vowel/consonant/stop) (6 means stop), and 1d6 for vowel, 1d20 for consonants.) < 1280059742 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, a d26? < 1280059754 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or how many letters the English alphabet has < 1280059757 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never remember < 1280059768 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No you use the 1d6 and 1d20 like I described < 1280059780 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, right, lag, didn't see that until after < 1280059789 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1280059794 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, still that seems to not be completely fair < 1280059798 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I thought < 1280059821 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: If you don't like the name generated, modify it or reroll another name or just make one up yourself < 1280059828 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1280059851 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, Markov chain thingy? < 1280059851 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The name "Vyb" was at first "Vb" but I then added the "y" in the middle by manually. < 1280059870 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I would suggest roll 1d10 for length, then do completely fair rolls for each letter < 1280059888 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would require some custom dice I suspect < 1280059895 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You can do that too if that is the way you prefer. < 1280059920 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another way is using d% and assigning a group of numbers to each letter corresponding to how likely you want each letter to occur < 1280059926 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there are more ways < 1280059932 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, you could roll 1d2 for upper/lower case of each letter < 1280059947 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another way could be to use Furryscript < 1280059950 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, d100? that exists? < 1280059963 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes but anyone uses it? < 1280059964 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, how can you combine a probability of 1/6 and 1/20 to get 1/26? < 1280059972 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't need d100, you can use d% which means 2 of d10 dice, one with 00-10-20-... and the other 0 to 9 < 1280059982 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1280059987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, "Furryscript"? < 1280059988 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phamtom_Hoover: The probabilities are not even. < 1280059998 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly. < 1280060023 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first 1d6 for each letter selects the mode (vowel/consonant/stop), the second 1d6 selects a vowel, the 1d20 selects a consonant < 1280060030 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahh. < 1280060035 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, what is Furryscript? < 1280060064 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/furry/webform.php < 1280060068 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not use 1/3 and 1/10, then map some punctuation to 27-29? < 1280060084 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not written a name generator script in there yet, but I might do so later, or you might do so. < 1280060091 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can get stuff with apostrophes, and that always looks delightfully weird < 1280060122 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can access http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/furry/custom.php if you want to write your own script without downloading the program (in case you don't have PHP on your computer) < 1280060150 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1280060151 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, what is parameter used for < 1280060174 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Nothing, in any of the scripts in the selection list, yet. < 1280060177 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan! < 1280060189 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1280060223 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you write new scripts, the commands PAR PA PA+ can use the parameter value. < 1280060230 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I'm not sure "The well has turned clear." is such a great adventuring idea but heh ;) < 1280060261 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you are using the custom.php form, you can use the PAS command to enter parameter values) < 1280060266 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION peeks carefully < 1280060286 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION jumps off a cliff wearing his underpants on his head < 1280060296 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DIDN'T EXPECT THAT, DID YOU? < 1280060299 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, entertainment! < 1280060327 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not really < 1280060452 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, chaotic neutral I see < 1280060462 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : What's an NPC sin? <-- anything that gives you the slightest excuse to kill them, obviously. such as existing. < 1280060467 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, what alignment do you play? < 1280060479 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, also, which version of D&D do you use? < 1280060480 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want a plain-text version of Furryscript.php (without syntax highlighting): gopher://zzo38computer.cjb.net:70/0furry*FURRYSCRIPT < 1280060487 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: NG, 3.5e < 1280060496 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My brother plays NN < 1280060528 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION knows that he will have to shovel through 3 weeks of webcomics sooner or later. < 1280060536 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, hm I always preferred NN or LN. Though I played CN a few times. < 1280060551 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: That's OK, play the alignments you prefer < 1280060565 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, can't be having with those pesky good people ;) < 1280060577 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I play NG and try to avoid to kill someone in most cases, try other ways too < 1280060607 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I don't get how people can play either LG or CE though < 1280060612 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as telling someone else maybe they can learn to be good also, or tell them to surrender, or make a tricky way of doing something strange, etc... < 1280060639 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: All nine alignments are possible, you can play LG or CE just as much as CG or LE or anything else. < 1280060641 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, the last one sounds like chaotic < 1280060672 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes it does, but I do many things law/chaos in between sometimes too. < 1280060677 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, well I can understand how people can think in terms for LE and CG actually < 1280060679 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, can I get Summon Bigger Fish in D&D? < 1280060689 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, XD < 1280060696 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Write that spell and get it reviewed! < 1280060704 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, you read D&D? < 1280060706 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1280060709 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darth and droids < 1280060710 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is < 1280060715 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1280060717 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1280060721 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is what Phantom_Hoover referenced < 1280060726 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hang on, I'll get a link... < 1280060741 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But either way... < 1280060775 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.darthsanddroids.net/episodes/0033.html < 1280060784 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's the first time it appeared. < 1280060785 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, what do you think about NWN? < 1280060794 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No opinion. < 1280060800 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, after all that uses D&D rules for it's game engine < 1280060812 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know much about NWN. < 1280060818 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1280060828 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, what do you think about multiclassing then? < 1280060831 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, you can't play proper D&D as a computer game you need to use paper to play good way D&D < 1280060849 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I would assume you need a human for the GM. < 1280060858 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : zzo38, I would suggest roll 1d10 for length, then do completely fair rolls for each letter < 1280060862 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`simpleacro < 1280060867 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, actually, NWN supports that for multiplayer games < 1280060872 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1280060878 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think multiclassing in D&D is good (although I don't like the "favored class" stuff and would rather no XP penalty and instead just waste XP normally instead < 1280060882 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...now what < 1280060890 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls bin/s* < 1280060891 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, indeed < 1280060892 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/sayhi \ bin/strfile \ bin/swedish < 1280060894 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My own character is many multiclass < 1280060899 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show < 1280060899 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo reverb rev rot13 rev2 fib wc ul cho choo pow2 source help hw srmlebac uenlsbcmra scramble unscramble asc ord < 1280060903 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`swedish < 1280060905 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1280060908 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`swedish hello < 1280060909 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellu < 1280060922 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help userinterps < 1280060923 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :userinterps: Users can add interpreters written in any of the languages in !help languages. See !help addinterp, delinterp, show | !userinterps. List interpreters added with !addinterp. < 1280060928 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find that deeply satisfying for some reason. < 1280060929 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!userinterps < 1280060930 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Installed user interpreters: aol austro b1ff bc bct bfbignum brit brooklyn bypass_ignore bytes chaos chef chiqrsx9p choo cockney ctcp dc decisionengine drawl drome dubya echo eehird ehird fudd funetak google graph gregor he hello id jethro kraut num ook pansy pirate plot postmodern postmodern_aoler redneck reverse rot13 sadbf sfedeesh sffedeesh sffffedeesh sffffffffedeesh simpleacro slashes svedeesh swedish valspeak warez yodawg < 1280060936 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh < 1280060938 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!simpleacro < 1280060938 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!simpleacro < 1280060939 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!simpleacro < 1280060944 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1280060946 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you do play D&D on computer, it is best done using plain text, over IRC or play by mail. < 1280060953 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, hm < 1280060958 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it is better without the computer. < 1280060960 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wth < 1280060962 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1280060962 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help . < 1280060965 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KZASDROE < 1280060965 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTT < 1280060965 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZPZ < 1280060966 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, actually I found NWN works quite nicely < 1280060975 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it is just slow < 1280060987 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, the three simultaneous requests clogged it. < 1280060995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!simpleacro < 1280060997 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZFWTODHEDE < 1280061003 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's essentially the method you said, and it has no guarantee of being pronouncable < 1280061012 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, no. It just tends to be like that when not recently used < 1280061027 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, nor does the method zzo38 suggested < 1280061044 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, but KZASDROE is quite nice < 1280061086 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least you can base a nice name on it: KZASDROE → Kzasadore < 1280061087 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, is your character human character? < 1280061098 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, mine in nwn? yes < 1280061128 0 :Wamanuz!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1280061144 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiclassed fighter/wizard, NN < 1280061155 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 levels in fighter, 5 in wizard < 1280061181 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: he adjusts the vowel/consonant/stop frequencies, that can give a higher chance < 1280061190 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hm true < 1280061217 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!simpleacro < 1280061220 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XCWJNYEE < 1280061223 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!simpleacro < 1280061225 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TBRTNXNLCM < 1280061227 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!simpleacro < 1280061230 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BHUO < 1280061234 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My character in D&D is, ettercap, multiclassed factotum/psion/erudite/beastheart/semigestalt/etc, NG, I select the Speak Language skill a lot < 1280061236 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay you do have a point < 1280061257 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which method are those names using? < 1280061259 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, you can do that many classes? Maybe different rules... < 1280061279 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, iirc NWN1 (which is what I have) uses 3e rules < 1280061284 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not 3.5 < 1280061284 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You can have any number of classes, but the total level must add up to your experience level < 1280061317 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which only lets you have 3 classes, and once you switched you can't level up in one of the former ones any more < 1280061334 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!show simpleacro < 1280061334 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell import System.Random; import Control.Monad; main = do {len <- pick [2..10]; putStrLn =<< (replicateM len $ pick ['A'..'Z'])} where pick a = randomRIO (0, length a - 1) >>= return . (a !!) < 1280061359 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :replicateM? < 1280061383 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :randomRIO? < 1280061389 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :repeat the action len times and take a list of the results < 1280061396 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell :t replicateM < 1280061408 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, :t doesn't tell you everything you want to know < 1280061424 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It gives the type, which is enough to guess. < 1280061443 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, after all, not and identity for boolean would have the same type, just as an example < 1280061453 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, obviouswly. < 1280061457 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/w// < 1280061459 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: randomRIO is a class method for generating random values from ranges, using the seed in IO rather than passing your own seed around < 1280061468 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ah < 1280061490 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But given the type and the name, I can make an educated guess. < 1280061506 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish ghci had proper online docs < 1280061507 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell :t Control.Monad.replicateM < 1280061509 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Monad.replicateM :: (Monad m) => Int -> m a -> m [a] < 1280061511 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like python does for example < 1280061525 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or heck even bash < 1280061530 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: there's a big online manual? < 1280061541 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, not online as in "integrated into the tool" < 1280061552 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: um that's the _opposite_ of online < 1280061558 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, man man < 1280061563 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, no... offline manual = on paper < 1280061572 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :online manual = on computer or on internet < 1280061574 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : man - an interface to the on-line reference manuals < 1280061590 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I need something I can use in a terminal with no internet connection, and without X running < 1280061594 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Confusing, I'll give you that. < 1280061596 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: hm i always think of online as net < 1280061611 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, recursive wget + w3m or lynx? < 1280061617 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, the internet is new fangled stuff < 1280061628 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And screen, of course. < 1280061630 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, not as convenient though < 1280061637 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as having, say: < 1280061638 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll give you that. < 1280061642 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::h Foo < 1280061649 0 :mephju!~mephju@dslb-088-070-039-193.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280061662 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could always have a Haskell function to do it, then make ghci load it. < 1280061668 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps < 1280061686 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, wouldn't be a function starting in : though would it? < 1280061704 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but can you define your own : things? < 1280061710 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION starts ghci < 1280061731 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would thus change that it "variable" < 1280061742 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::def? < 1280061749 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: oh and btw my installation of the haskell platform _does_ include a copy of the ghc manual < 1280061763 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, oh cool < 1280061779 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I don't think mine does < 1280061807 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in html format < 1280061813 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, still fails then < 1280061830 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, ghc-doc on Ubuntu. < 1280061831 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erlang at least have erl -man < 1280061843 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is less convenient than python's or bash's docs < 1280061844 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"C:\Programfiler\Haskell Platform\2010.1.0.0\doc\html\index.html" < 1280061846 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still better < 1280061855 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I don't use ubuntu on this system < 1280061857 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arch linux < 1280061874 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, check your package manager. < 1280061878 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I do however have /usr/share/doc/ghc/html/ < 1280061888 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I very much doubt arch linux splits packages < 1280061895 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like debian and ubuntu do < 1280061917 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, arch has as a goal to follow upstream as closely as possible < 1280061940 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means that the ghc package is _huge_ < 1280061957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Installed Size : 681026,00 K < 1280061966 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1280061971 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is Swedish , < 1280061972 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems < 1280061979 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is decimal separator < 1280062003 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 665 MB it seems < 1280062035 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ du -sh /usr/share/doc/ghc/html/ < 1280062035 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :33M /usr/share/doc/ghc/html/ < 1280062043 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I wonder where the bulk of that is < 1280062076 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thought du could give you a list of subdirectories too < 1280062163 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, well then I wouldn't use s < 1280062167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s is summary after all < 1280062180 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, and with bulk I meant "bulk of ghc install size" < 1280062183 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not bulk of the docs < 1280062213 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_and_offline at least partially agrees with me (i haven't read all) < 1280062228 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, and? I use the man meaning < 1280062299 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: hm that might be from back when you connected to unix servers via a network from a terminal. that would be online, while using your desktop/laptop with linux is less so < 1280062313 0 :oklopol!~oklopol@dsl-trebrasgw1-fe86f900-163.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1280062333 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although one of the sections lists even being connected to power as being online in some situations < 1280062334 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, maybe. But I use the meaning prescribed by the holy man documentation. Though linux isn't that old < 1280062347 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, indeed < 1280062360 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Quit < 1280062390 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See the list of gopher://zzo38computer.cjb.net:70/0furry*%3Fadventure they are from various sources, including some I wrote myself. Which ones do you like best? Do you have any additional ideas? < 1280062403 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: while offline browsing is exactly the meaning i suggested < 1280062434 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use "online documentation" in the man meaning too < 1280062443 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, no, that would be while on battery ;P < 1280062453 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, oerjan: that is because you both use windows < 1280062458 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, as opposed to printed documentation. < 1280062462 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1280062470 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, that is because you use windows :P < 1280062473 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It has nothing to do with what operating system I use. < 1280062500 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION forces oerjan to use BSD 4.3 for the next month < 1280062525 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: um zzo38 agreed with your terms, not mine < 1280062532 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes I misread < 1280062570 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, found out how def works. < 1280062617 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for windows it uses "arbeide frakoblet" iirc ;D < 1280062632 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what? < 1280062638 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does "arbeide frakoblet" means? < 1280062641 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: norwegian version < 1280062647 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes but what does it mean < 1280062659 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is unparsable in Swedish < 1280062659 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: work offline, assuming you agree with my meaning of offline :D < 1280062684 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I think they use "arbeta offline" in Swedish < 1280062693 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which sucks as a translation really < 1280062708 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mind using "online"/"offline" in multiple ways, many words can have multiple meanings often depending on context < 1280062714 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :checking the menu *arbeid frakoblet < 1280062782 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I especially like the last four entries on the adventure idea list, all of which are my own idea (although the last one was slightly inspired by Godel Escher Bach) < 1280062815 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of the other ones are good, too, though. < 1280062820 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: doesn't swedish have a word like frakoblet, then? (frÃ¥nkoblad?) < 1280062839 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some are based on templates, which is why some come strange thing sometimes not always < 1280062877 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :frÃ¥nkopplad, says google < 1280062917 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, the line "<.> CAP" itself uses the ADVENTURE template, adds a period to the end, and then capitalizes the first letter of the result (which is useful if the first word is another template!) < 1280062938 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ah frÃ¥nkopplad < 1280062953 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it might use that < 1280062954 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1280062971 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do *you* think?? < 1280063011 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I have no idea < 1280063033 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Did you look at the last four? Have you read Godel Escher Bach? < 1280063042 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, no and no < 1280063047 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, link to the list? < 1280063065 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gopher://zzo38computer.cjb.net:70/0furry*%3Fadventure < 1280063094 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want it on HTTP: http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/furry/scripts/adventure.txt < 1280063107 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : zzo38, d100? that exists? < 1280063118 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually you have two d10 of different colors < 1280063145 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Or, one of them has 00,10,20,30,etc and the other 0,1,2,3,4,etc < 1280063149 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or one marked 10 ... right < 1280063154 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they might or might not also be different colors < 1280063164 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, why are the first ones numbered? < 1280063178 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Because of the sources they come from are numbered. < 1280063184 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1280063223 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, I have modified them (mostly by adding templates or by shortening them if they are too long), so they are not exactly the same as the sources they come from. < 1280063244 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ones without numbers are various things from various sources, a lot of them are my own ideas, too. < 1280063309 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d100s do also exist. < 1280063323 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Yes they do, but it is rarely used, and I don't like to use d100s < 1280063336 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not? < 1280063377 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is just my opinion! < 1280063384 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the golfball! It's the neat! < 1280063384 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough I guess < 1280063449 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, get a d1000 < 1280063455 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just a d500 < 1280063461 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get a d(infinity) < 1280063462 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think d100 is the biggest that exists. < 1280063479 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exists in common use, anyway. I'm sure someone's done a bigger as a novelty thing. < 1280063485 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, that would be a perfect sphere < 1280063491 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d100 is already a novelty thing. < 1280063497 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes! < 1280063498 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, indeed < 1280063500 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not really "in common use". < 1280063553 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I guess it's more common than a d30, but that could just be because nothing uses a d30. < 1280063568 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, Freefall's story has actually started moving. < 1280063569 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's common enough that I've seen them on a roleplayer's messy desk. < 1280063591 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, huh, I haven't read that for over a year or so < 1280063595 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of the adventure ideas are from ADOM, such as this one: < 1280063597 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least it's safer than a d4 w.r.t. stepping on one. < 1280063600 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would have quite a bit to catch up with < 1280063625 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, ADOM, isn't that some computer game? < 1280063627 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea at all why so much happens between interesting things. < 1280063633 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, roguelike. < 1280063636 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, XD < 1280063636 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d4 is difficult to roll the dice a bit < 1280063650 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about D2? < 1280063651 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1280063653 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d2* < 1280063658 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean, flip-a-coin? < 1280063676 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, well presumably yes < 1280063678 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I want a d1 < 1280063684 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a one-sided coin < 1280063696 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i'm not sure freefall is moving _faster_. it's coming to a pivotal point, however. < 1280063703 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it half-sphere so it can land only one way? < 1280063705 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, someone has opinions: "In 1985 a man named Lou Zocchi invented the 100-sided die or "Zocchihedron." You know, because two D10s were just so damn heavy to roll in tandem. Well, this die certainly rolls -- it rolls and rolls, which makes sense, because it has a hundred sides, or almost enough to become a perfectly round sphere. Good luck finding out which number it's actually landed on. Is it 2, or 57? You won't know. You won't goddamn know because the die < 1280063705 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rolled off your table. The D100 almost has to rolled in a box, or the padded cell that you should be kept in if you insist on using this. I think any die that needs an enclosure isn't a die, it is a pet for the insane." < 1280063709 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, fair enough. < 1280063718 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, perhaps, but that can still land in two ways < 1280063733 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, but actually I want the d1 to just have a single side < 1280063735 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, d1 is a Möbius band. < 1280063743 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not physically possible of course < 1280063747 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a Klein bottle. < 1280063752 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1280063761 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Mobius strip does have two sides. It is just that both sides are the same side. < 1280063767 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both of which are physically possible. < 1280063774 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, no it doesn't... < 1280063790 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, a klein bottle isn't physically possible in 3D < 1280063800 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need 4D for it < 1280063806 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is if it intersects. < 1280063815 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Why it doesn't...? < 1280063817 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, you can't make it in 3D < 1280063831 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool, 4 2-letter words beginning with i... < 1280063849 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1280063850 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1280063854 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a mobius strip there is one other side from any side, but it is the same side as the first side! < 1280063855 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, you can't... embed or orient or immerse (one of them) it in 3D. < 1280063895 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, and IWC is heading or another cataclysm. < 1280063900 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/or/for/ < 1280063912 0 :Wamanuz2!~Markus@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1280063946 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A mobius strip cannot be silver-plated on one side and gold-plated on the other side (assuming you mean entirely and that these are mutually exclusive), unless you mean locally to one part of the mobius band, it can be. But not for the entirety. < 1280063954 0 :Wamanuz2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Wamanuz < 1280063978 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster, you can't... embed or orient or immerse (one of them) it in 3D. <-- that is what I said < 1280063983 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like to agree or disagree or whatever? And for what reasons? < 1280064006 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, but you can put one in 3D if it self-intersects. < 1280064040 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, yes but that isn't possible to make without access to a fourth dimension < 1280064063 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, like you can't make a möbius band without access to the 3rd dimension < 1280064085 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you can immerse a Möbius band in 2D. < 1280064175 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, hm < 1280064178 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can fake it, such as if you make a chess variant with a board that acts as a mobius geometry < 1280064188 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, that's not immersion. < 1280064206 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phamtom_Hoover: Yes I know! < 1280064207 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's doing stuff on the surface of an MB. < 1280064244 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, perhaps you can immerse an MB in 2D. < 1280064256 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Klein bottles are immersable in 3D, btw. < 1280064259 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can embed the mobius band perfectly well in the _projective_ plane iirc (of which you can make a chessboard) < 1280064265 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually you can even fake a standard chess game on a 1-dimensional board (and I have done so). < 1280064279 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, wait, the MB is unimmersable in 2D. < 1280064308 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See http://www.chessvariants.org/index/msdisplay.php?itemid=MSeeeeeeeeeeeeee < 1280064331 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, by using an N^2->N bijection? < 1280064350 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEX! Chess is exactly the same as chess even though it is extremely different from chess. < 1280064371 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do arbitrary games on an unbounded board in 1D. < 1280064389 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you immerse a 2D surface in the plane, the orientability of the plane itself, forces the surface to also have a consistent orientation, i think. while embedding 2d in 3d this doesn't happen. < 1280064434 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means you also cannot immerse a MB in a sphere or a torus < 1280064457 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1280064484 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEX! Chess has 12 kind of pieces (instead of 6 as in chess), it has unequal armies, it has a deck of cards, win is by capture not checkmate, yet, the game is exactly the same as chess, despite all of these differences!!! < 1280064489 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you obviously can on a KB or the RPP. < 1280064502 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love these acronyms... < 1280064529 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the orientations have to match locally consistently, and the global orientation of the superspace forces global consistency of the immersed space. i think. < 1280064532 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1280064613 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look at the rules for my one-dimensional game and tell if if I did a good job of it, or not. < 1280064652 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEX! Chess seems to be missing en passant < 1280064722 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No it isn't. Simulating en passant is what the Oranges is for. < 1280064728 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are you saying EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEX? < 1280064734 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm a mook is a castle that can still castle, right? < 1280064736 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, aah < 1280064743 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes < 1280064756 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh that's the first comment < 1280064781 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That is, the most recent comment. < 1280064793 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1280064813 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only the five most recent comments are displayed unless you select the "List all comments and ratings" link. < 1280064843 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, that EE+X Chess is truly a brilliant idea < 1280064909 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes it is, and your idea of abbreviating it EE+X is also good idea, I think. < 1280064930 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, that or do it like l10n or i18n < 1280064946 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except I couldn't be bothered to count number of letters < 1280064970 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really care the number of letters either, though. < 1280064986 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :E32X < 1280064999 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have written various other chess variants as well on there < 1280065006 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ echo -n EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEX | wc -c < 1280065007 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :34 < 1280065065 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Why are you saying EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEX? <-- should be obvious if you read more than half of what was actually said on IRC for once < 1280065134 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only missed one comment, then got confused! < 1280065147 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My brother also had some ideas, which I then typed out and fixed the rules a bit. One of them is Bland Chess, where there is no diagonal moves (but knight moves are still allowed). < 1280065167 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Diagonal mode of movement of any pieces is not allowed. This means bishops cannot move at all.) < 1280065184 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, heard of that Discworld chess variant ? < 1280065194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with two extra columns < 1280065195 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the assassins? < 1280065199 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, exactly that one < 1280065203 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I have. < 1280065214 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it could be quite playable < 1280065224 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how exactly it is supposed to work but I guessed and wrote an implementation < 1280065231 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1280065240 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have it in the discworld compendium < 1280065243 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks < 1280065253 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Games_of_the_Discworld < 1280065300 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, right < 1280065306 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So can one go to check in a move? < 1280065319 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in normal chess? no < 1280065327 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in stealth chess: probably not < 1280065328 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Discworld chess. < 1280065380 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :White moves assassin in right slurk to 7; they can capture up to 6 moves away; it's 5 moves to black's king. < 1280065443 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, assassins only go 1 square at a time. < 1280065451 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1280065488 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But still, after 8 moves in the slurks an assassin can capture any piece on the board, can it not? < 1280065540 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :says 15 on wikipedia < 1280065592 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15 moves overall, yes. < 1280065658 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that means that as soon as white has made 8 moves it has mate, doesn't it? < 1280065710 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is why it is necessary to make other guesses about things < 1280065748 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here is an example game, played by the computer program against itself: http://sprunge.us/YEWG < 1280065799 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh at last schlock mercenary is moving again < 1280065816 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has been very slow going for a while < 1280065849 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1280065857 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, hi there < 1280065880 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1280065901 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also invented Xorix Shogi, it is a shogi game that any piece that captures another piece has its powers XORed with the piece it is capturing. < 1280065957 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Communist Chess, where every time you capture an opponents piece you must destroy one of your own pieces of the same type (although you can choose which one), and if you promote, you must select an opponent's pawn and change it into the same kind of piece you promoted into. < 1280066001 0 :Madk!~Madk@c-71-63-79-112.hsd1.va.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280066039 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : That is why it is necessary to make other guesses about things <-- such as? < 1280066100 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: See the example game < 1280066144 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I meant, what are the extra rules. I can't figure that out from the example game < 1280066146 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also Protomorphic-Chess: http://www.chessvariants.org/index/msdisplay.php?itemid=MSprotomorphic-c < 1280066183 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I had to modify the rules a bit, for various reasons. Also I don't know what the proper rules are supposed to be exactly, anyways. < 1280066204 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, how did you modify them < 1280066208 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is what I'm asking < 1280066215 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does this help tell you? http://sprunge.us/ELdN < 1280066238 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really. It is some LISP I see. < 1280066249 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Later < 1280066287 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the best help I can give at this time.... < 1280066301 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1280066330 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1280066389 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Const gerbil%=1 < 1280066389 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Const kitten%=2 < 1280066389 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Const cat%=3 < 1280066394 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HAVE BEGUN < 1280066399 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1280066402 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a strange language < 1280066418 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madk, have you fully defined the AI behaviour of those? < 1280066428 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's almost all I've done so far < 1280066431 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just started XD < 1280066433 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise I fear it is impossible to do a FOSS implementation < 1280066441 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a really open language < 1280066450 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOSS? Your acronym confuses me < 1280066460 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Free/Open Source Software < 1280066475 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madk, I believe freenode (this irc network) uses it in it's motd < 1280066479 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I assume you read < 1280066491 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed so it does < 1280066502 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no "FOSS" in the motd < 1280066508 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOSSCON < 1280066528 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fossevents < 1280066534 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay for letters? < 1280066543 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madk, ? < 1280066549 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Issue the MOTD command if you need to see it again; still, it doesn't say what FOSS stands for, it just uses it.) < 1280066558 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, exactly < 1280066567 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus I assume people check what it means < 1280066569 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madk doesn't know hoe to use irc commands < 1280066576 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay < 1280066583 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madk, /motd < 1280066587 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :check server tab < 1280066592 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't do anything < 1280066593 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are using XCHAT. I do not know how to use XCHAT < 1280066606 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madk, it does in xchat, check server tab < 1280066610 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not channel tab < 1280066621 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooh < 1280066637 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it is your responsibility as a user on an IRC network to read and understand the network rules given in motd < 1280066640 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :upon connecting < 1280066655 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* - By connecting to freenode you indicate that you have read < 1280066655 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* - and agree to adhere to our policies and procedures as per < 1280066655 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* - the website (http://freenode.net). [...] < 1280066670 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not reading motd is a bad idea < 1280066703 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That assumes you have a web-browser software installed..... Perhaps if they used plain-text, it would not requires so. < 1280066716 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, everyone had that nowdays though < 1280066729 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, however if you don't why not go complain in #freenode :P < 1280066745 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like in my IRC server, all help files are accessible using HELP command. < 1280066766 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do have web-browser software on this computer, however. < 1280066769 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, this ircd has help too < 1280066787 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however /motd and/or /rules are the relevant ones to check for network rules < 1280066788 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :._. I'm not an open-source guru. Unless I intend otgers to see and use the source to my programs, I don't open-source them < 1280066799 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it does, but not to list FAQs and policies and so on. < 1280066802 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madk, otgers? < 1280066806 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :others < 1280066807 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :type < 1280066808 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1280066810 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :typo < 1280066836 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually O-S my tools and things, and don't my games. < 1280066846 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1280066859 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Personally I truly believe in FOSS. < 1280066877 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I open-source all my programs as much as possible, sometimes making it public-domain, or sometimes GNU GPL, sometimes multi license. I do this for various reasons, including: freedom, portability, in case other people has ideas to improve it, and more. < 1280066882 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :COMMIES!!! < 1280066887 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XP < 1280066896 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madk, point is, it would be nice if you documented your esolangs well enough that anyone else could implement it completely from the spec < 1280066902 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even the games I like to do so. < 1280066904 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without checking your interpreter < 1280066938 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are BSD-style licenses and stuff, but I don't use them. I just GNU GPL or else just public domain. < 1280066944 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster: I basically describe exactly what the interpreter does in the commands section < 1280066952 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what else there is to include < 1280066965 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madk, I seem to remember there was some confusion over exactly how the AIs of cats and such works < 1280067016 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although in one case, I wrote a program which is dual-licensed "GNU GPL version 2 or later version, or Microsoft Reciprocal License". < 1280067021 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no interpreter for gerbil yet < 1280067023 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madk, I mean, your spec leaves a lot or room for how the AI of cats and such works. < 1280067031 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't finished deciding < 1280067035 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madk, right < 1280067045 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the AI is going to leave a lot of room for unpredictable behaviour < 1280067048 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madk, as long as you document it enough at some point I'm happy < 1280067055 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That dual-licensed program is useful for Windows only, and might even be useful for Microsoft to include in later versions of Windows, but it might be useful for ReactOS as well) < 1280067065 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once the interpreter is written, I'll describe it fully. < 1280067096 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madk, good. It would be rather inconvenient if two different implementations did differ in small details about that < 1280067112 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know < 1280067123 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is your opinion on free software licensing? < 1280067137 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: who, me? < 1280067142 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, me? I use GPL3 or BSD < 1280067150 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone who wants to answer < 1280067153 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could use LGPL3 too < 1280067156 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU GPL < 1280067164 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I haven't yet made any projects where I found that fitting < 1280067177 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I usually use when I release something < 1280067191 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl29-2-0-cust326.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1280067192 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: OK. I generally use GPL3, and public domain, but I don't apply BSD licenses to my software, unless it already is. < 1280067204 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, how comes? < 1280067224 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Omygodneilgaimaniswritinganepisodeofdoctorwhoaaaaaa < 1280067234 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could use LGPL3 too, if I write a software for which I find its use that I should use it for. < 1280067239 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, oh my indeed < 1280067246 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, that should be _most_ interesting < 1280067258 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: BSD-style licenses is just permissive, that I don't require copyright and just make it public domain. < 1280067261 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I read good omens, haven't read sandman < 1280067284 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, read 1-3 of Sandman, the universe is conspiring to stop me from reading 4. < 1280067293 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I like getting some recognition that I wrote it. < 1280067319 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I have nothing against *you* using such licenses, it is just that I don't. < 1280067328 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've also read American Gods and Fragile Things. < 1280067330 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I didn't claim you did < 1280067339 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, not read those :/ < 1280067371 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1280067395 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't require recognition that I wrote it. Even if it is GNU GPL, I don't really care about that as much. I only care that copyleft is adhered to. < 1280067411 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can see that I wrote it from where you got the software at first, if you want to. < 1280067505 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have licensed the Icosahedral Role Playing Game under CC-BY-SA, but I don't care much about the attribution requirement. I only care about the share-alike requirement. < 1280067561 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, there is no updated version of CC-SA so I used CC-BY-SA instead. < 1280068129 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1280068304 0 :mephju!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1280068518 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1280068531 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl29-2-0-cust326.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1280069080 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1280070774 0 :Wamanuz!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1280070918 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1280070933 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl29-2-0-cust326.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1280071295 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-0-174.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280071380 0 :tombom_!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1280071491 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1280072133 0 :mephju!~mephju@dslb-088-070-039-193.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280072283 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION starts building Oolite < 1280072331 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it'll crash my X server again... < 1280072698 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1280073240 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1280073244 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agggh < 1280073259 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My GPU still hangs when it tries to do fancy shaders. < 1280073424 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird; APT has mit-scheme-doc but no mit-scheme < 1280073431 0 :aliseiphone!~ehirdipho@91.105.79.116 JOIN :#esoteric < 1280073439 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone! < 1280073451 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1280073467 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was told to ask you about how the computable reals might be handled in a proof assistant. < 1280073479 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With difficulty. < 1280073497 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Protip: computable reals are limited < 1280073504 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Which assistant? < 1280073510 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you writing one? < 1280073514 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1280073521 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering if it was doable. < 1280073533 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course. < 1280073546 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proof assistants use type theory. Well. Most of em < 1280073554 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The assistant in mind was Agda. < 1280073554 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. Easy. But < 1280073562 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't use Agda. < 1280073568 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1280073594 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's powerful but unstable - falsehoods have been proven several times only to be "patched up" - < 1280073603 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1280073605 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and actually writing proofs is very difficult < 1280073608 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which one then? < 1280073613 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coq. < 1280073634 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same basis in dependent type theory? < 1280073650 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very old and proven (80s), expressive and powerful, and with a very easy proof method < 1280073654 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yup < 1280073676 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed Gpedels first incompleteness theorem has been proven in it < 1280073694 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by Russell O'Connor http://r6.ca < 1280073746 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: My Coq recommendation: Use Emacs with Proof General. Three window mode and electric mode. < 1280073757 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proving is smooth like butter. < 1280073798 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Citation for the problems with Agda? < 1280073818 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1280073849 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-0-174.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280073850 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: have none. But note that in agda you must write proof terms manually < 1280073865 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1280073866 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is almost impossuble for anything complex < 1280073874 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In coq it is interactive < 1280073879 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, OK. < 1280073882 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And easy. < 1280073893 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which case, can we go back to the CRs? < 1280073900 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. < 1280073922 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The obvious defn.: < 1280073931 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In pseudocode < 1280074007 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CR := sum (f : Q+ -> Q). forall (e1 e2 : Q+). abs (f e1 - f e2) <= e1 + e2 < 1280074022 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: This is a Cauchy sequence of rationals < 1280074048 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"pi 0.01 = 3.14 or more accurate", basically < 1280074071 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a cr is a function like that with a proof of being Cauchy < 1280074092 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The proof of Cauchyness being the hard bit, then? < 1280074102 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Quite so. < 1280074121 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You can't even prove < 1280074126 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ye < 1280074134 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, got that from oerjan. < 1280074140 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x < 0 \/ x = 0 \/ x > 0 < 1280074149 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for all CR x < 1280074176 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since a proof would have to construct a proof of equality < 1280074184 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a disproof < 1280074189 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is impossible < 1280074296 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1280074307 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what about a subset of the CRs for which proofs exist? < 1280074324 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, is there a nice set name for the CRs? < 1280074410 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Call CRs "R". < 1280074422 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're THE reals inside the theory. < 1280074434 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Um just because proofs exist < 1280074448 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't mean a single algo can generate all of them < 1280074499 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A subset for which we have manipulatable proofs? < 1280074509 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do not understand < 1280074526 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and I cannot explain) < 1280074562 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Russell o'connor has already developed all this in coq btw < 1280074580 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's in ccorn; if not, his thesis < 1280074585 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right. < 1280074637 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: /my/ pet project is developing continued fractions in Coq; very hard < 1280074661 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think it would be useful or at least interesting < 1280074811 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might. < 1280074818 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it would. < 1280074952 0 :MizardX-!~MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1280074954 0 :MizardX-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1280074963 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1280075023 0 :MizardX-!~MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1280075142 0 :mephju!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1280075180 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1280075201 0 :MizardX-!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :MizardX < 1280075948 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi pikhq. < 1280076072 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yo. < 1280076447 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. Operating system design. < 1280077248 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pu < 1280077251 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops < 1280077262 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: WHAT U < 1280077266 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IF < 1280077273 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT IF PROCESSES < 1280077278 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are rationals. < 1280077281 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Duuuude. < 1280077890 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oY < 1280078005 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: I think you're drunk. < 1280078010 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or high. < 1280078012 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or both! < 1280078179 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Or ENLIGHTENED. < 1280078219 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn, I should smoke weed and then design aliseOS. The perfect OS for baked idealists. < 1280078227 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, you know, not. < 1280078378 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So I'm thinking that objects are basically... < 1280078414 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Collections of slots + a bunch of running code contexts (like threads) < 1280078437 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1280078440 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the slots are the whole namespace it can access plus it's own stuff < 1280078445 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*its < 1280078470 0 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-205.vpn.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1280078477 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi oklopol. < 1280078507 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Say, what theoretical monster has your OS morphed into along with yourself? :P < 1280078989 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Hmm. What if we have ... Dynamic namespaces? < 1280079000 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Instead of slots bei g defined in memory < 1280079003 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*being < 1280079020 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: A process in the object gets name requests < 1280079023 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Ans < 1280079030 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*And returns objects < 1280079138 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if you have... COFFEE. < 1280079146 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that makes everything better. < 1280079151 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially MORNING. < 1280079320 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Why do people think "dark co < 1280079327 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :medy" means < 1280079338 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"comedy where bad things happen" < 1280079391 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: Funny, I thought dark comedy involved the comedy itself being *about* various bad things. The more horrid the better. < 1280079451 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comedy with bad things: Bang bang bang! Hmm, you are without a head. [laugh track] < 1280079472 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Okay, I phrased it poorly. < 1280079479 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dark comedy: Not good enough writer to write example < 1280079501 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I get what you were trying to say. < 1280079506 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmkay. < 1280079997 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: [ lookup: (name) => { if name = :happy then {:yes} else {42} } ] < 1280080004 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sketch. Of something. < 1280080097 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I want some influencii from Haskell too though... < 1280080185 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: aliseOS gets fuzzier by the day. < 1280080217 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: STATIC TYPING < 1280080232 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALSO MAKE IT HASKELL BUT AWESOMER < 1280080237 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Static...object...typing! < 1280080255 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :These arent so much objects as servers < 1280080482 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Counter: [ (n): 0; increment: => ~[ n: n+1 ]; value: => n ] < 1280080503 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ~[...] is object augmentation. Look ma, no side effects! < 1280080580 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Private variables (n) are done by having the lookup method check who's asking for the slot. < 1280080835 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Say I want to install puppy to a partition. < 1280080841 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much disk will it use? < 1280080858 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :100~200 megs? < 1280080891 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1280080923 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, 4 gig drive. 3 gigs windows 1 gig puppy? < 1280080963 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. < 1280081013 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Actually about 1.5 for puppy < 1280081022 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should be comfortable, right? < 1280081037 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More than comfortable. < 1280081107 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Now how do I make puppy understand a USB wifi? < 1280081114 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno. < 1280081119 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu groks it I'm pretty sure. < 1280081802 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Wow. XP is installing slowly. < 1280081821 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it does that when you don't de-shit it. < 1280081865 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: And use an oooold co < 1280081871 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mputer. < 1280081880 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's mostly the shit it retains. < 1280081883 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wish I had a disc of my MiniXP :P < 1280081886 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remove the fecal matter, and all shall be well. < 1280081921 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1280082310 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION winces... < 1280082317 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ? < 1280082326 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Japanese's pre-WWII orthography. < 1280082332 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wut < 1280082339 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Their syllabary wasn't phonetic* < 1280082372 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, rather, it was. *In Middle Japanese.* < 1280082414 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Tokyo", for instance, was actually written as "toukyau"... < 1280082425 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think XP has given up on installing. < 1280082459 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"En" was written as "Yen"... < 1280082474 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("ye" has *ceased to be a valid syllable in Japanese*.) < 1280082478 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In kanji you mean? < 1280082488 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: Kana. The syllabary. < 1280082494 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1280082509 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, literal-romanisation-of-kana. < 1280082529 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. Not even fully such. < 1280082553 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"toukixyou" was written is "toukiyau" and "enn" was written as "yenn". Thar. < 1280082555 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they used different kana or different romanization? < 1280082564 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*romanisations < 1280082578 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: They used kana differently. < 1280082584 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Non-phonetically. < 1280082585 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1280082616 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And romanisations were all sorts of fucked up before WWII. < 1280082640 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider for a moment the word "yen". Which is "en" in Japanese... < 1280082642 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl29-2-0-cust326.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1280082669 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if one could create a language resistant to parsing < 1280082685 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Perl 5. < 1280082698 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Badum-tsh < 1280082707 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only parseable by a UTM. < 1280082713 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Not a joke. < 1280082728 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which bit of it? < 1280082731 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Motiiru", to use, was written as "motiwiru" or "motihiru". Urgh. < 1280082734 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl's syntax depends on the result of arbitrary Perl code. < 1280082743 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, indeed. < 1280082749 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perligata and such. < 1280082754 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1280082757 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yes < 1280082763 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But also BEGIN < 1280082782 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google perl is unparseable or whatever. The perlmonks article. < 1280082786 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proves it. < 1280082794 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"t`os`ixyou" (dojou), a type of fish, was written "t`ot`iyau" (dodiyau)... < 1280082841 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=663393 < 1280082853 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl has always seemed foreign to me. < 1280082866 0 :CakeProphet!~adam@h49.15.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280082871 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet! < 1280083036 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hates it when an orthography encodes sounds that have ceased to be in the language < 1280083109 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I should publish the implementation of aliseOS as a Ph.D. thesis XD < 1280083115 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: :P < 1280083134 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAARRRRRGGGGHHHRIGHT < 1280083177 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Get Colloquy for iPhone! http://mobile.colloquy.info < 1280083181 0 :aliseiphone!~ehirdipho@91.105.79.116 JOIN :#esoteric < 1280083182 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They had a completely seperate written language until the 1900s. Because commonly available writing fixed the written language a few hundred years back.] < 1280083186 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They had a completely seperate written language until the 1900s. Because commonly available writing fixed the written language a few hundred years back.] < 1280083195 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF < 1280083203 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amazon suggests the following as my "pay phrase": < 1280083205 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Gregor's Architectural Manuals" < 1280083206 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you recent history for making Japanese less of a pain. < 1280083213 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: XD < 1280084624 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1280084662 0 :oklopol!~oklopol@dsl-trebrasgw1-fe86f900-163.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1280084745 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol < 1280084750 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flar duh ghee. < 1280084759 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*gbee. < 1280084797 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Klaatu barada nikto. < 1280085189 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I desperately want to create a language called "can't be parsed". < 1280085200 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trivial to do, actually. < 1280085246 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make the parser depend upon the haltingness of the previously parsed code. < 1280085340 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, the pun may live! < 1280085358 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But the code after inf loop doesn't matter... < 1280085409 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: Except that you make it so that the code after an infinite loop can make the infinite loop not happen. < 1280085422 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simplest solution is, of course, to have COMEFROM in the language. < 1280085429 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Lawl. < 1280085543 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, y the way. < 1280085561 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could you implement TwoDucks' time travel with call/cc? < 1280085592 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but you could probably do it with the time travel monad. < 1280085597 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ContT State) < 1280085627 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why couldn't you/ < 1280085629 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1280085635 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s|/|?| < 1280085639 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do it with IOT. < 1280085662 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: What, does it also time travel the IO? < 1280085668 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1280085671 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iirc. < 1280085678 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, you'd need IOT for that. < 1280085678 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's super TC... < 1280085682 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*iirc < 1280085684 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, sorry; StateT Cont. < 1280085700 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IOT Cont would be nice to have. < 1280085840 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have come to the conclusion that Neil Cicierega is Doctor Who's brother. < 1280085846 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT ALL MAKES SENSE. < 1280085875 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It...doesn't. < 1280085987 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It makes sense for a given value of "sense". < 1280085988 0 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.115.83.71 JOIN :#esoteric < 1280086008 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, omygodneilgaimaniswritinganepisodeofdoctorwho < 1280086009 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi impomatic. < 1280086014 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Trivial to do, actually." <<< indeed, you can pretty much name things any way you want < 1280086036 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HI aliseiphone < 1280086077 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: :D < 1280086088 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yesiknowomgthatshallbeawesome < 1280086106 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my head hurts < 1280086141 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yesyesyesyesyes < 1280086155 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imustgointosuspendedanimationuntilitsbroadcast < 1280086178 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so umm why isn't one marker useful for a finite state automaton? < 1280086208 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have an FSM that can carry a marker around on the input string, detect it when over it, carry it, and drop it elsewhere < 1280086216 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I'll go into the future while holding onto a continuation so I can pass back a continuation. < 1280086223 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm, IOT Cont. < 1280086225 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one marker isn't useful, can anyway explain why exactly? < 1280086270 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, everyone knows you can't go into the future with a continuation! < 1280086299 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes you can. If you went there the long way and used one to go back while holding onto a continuation FROM THE FUUTUUURE < 1280086303 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1280086322 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you need suspended animation in the first place. < 1280086330 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or patience. < 1280086480 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1280086496 0 :oklopol!~oklopol@dsl-trebrasgw1-fe86f900-163.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1280086504 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I have no patience for Neil Gaiman /\ Doctor Who. < 1280086567 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No abusing /\ :( < 1280086661 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: That's why I'm bringing the continuation back for you. < 1280086673 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool. < 1280086674 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION passes Phantom_Hoover a continuation. Be sure to retain the current one! < 1280086687 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, got the continuation. < 1280086707 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION call/ccs to get the current one. < 1280086712 0 :bsmntbombdood!~gavin@97-118-205-198.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280086720 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, continuation-passing style time travel. < 1280086724 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, how do I apply the Gaiman one? < 1280086735 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Call it with yourself as an argument! < 1280086741 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moreover, what's the probability that I'll meet you after time travel? < 1280086748 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1! < 1280086756 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm struggling to find a domain name. I'm after something like tinycode.com < 1280086781 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the decent names are taken, but most are just parked :-( < 1280086817 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, how do I call things in reality? < 1280086858 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ghci; :m +IOT; continuation (fromReality "Phantom_Hoover") < 1280086906 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: mincode.st :P < 1280086936 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, no Scheme continuations? < 1280086966 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, also, where will this continuation take me? < 1280086976 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: continuation isn't a Cont function is it? < 1280086989 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hardly want to end up in pikhq's house. < 1280086990 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: ... No. That was a bit erroneous. < 1280087008 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It will take you to a theater I rented for the sole purpose of displaying that episode. < 1280087016 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool. < 1280087033 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I stole a lot of money and then made the money not have been stolen while still possessing the money. < 1280087036 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1280087036 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know... Doctor Who kinda sucks. < 1280087049 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone, BUT NEIL GAIMAN < 1280087066 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It used to be entertaining not-sci fi. Now it's vaguely entertaining *anti*-sci fi. < 1280087069 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: ... Okay, UK citizenship hereby revoked. < 1280087083 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Under control of a fanboy trying to leave his mark < 1280087086 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been getting more dissatisfied with it, but in any case NEIL GAIMAN < 1280087095 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(who USED to produce excellent episodes) < 1280087112 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Deny it if you want. It's the truth! < 1280087131 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone, none of this affects the fact that IT'S NEIL GAIMAN < 1280087185 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can we make everything awesome by connecting it to Gaiman? Let's start with amanda fucking palmer and trace outwards. < 1280087195 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: < 1280087201 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read you some Gaiman. < 1280087208 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Im kidding ffs < 1280087221 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dislike doctor who now; but this is joking < 1280087341 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way, have I stated my outrage at the absence of vol. 5 of The Sandman from ANYTHING. < 1280087368 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey. Gaiman used to be a scientologist. < 1280087377 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously? < 1280087381 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore Scientology is awesome! < 1280087386 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yup. < 1280087393 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See Wikipedia bio. < 1280087404 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yeah. < 1280087410 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Second-generation, though. < 1280087422 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Gaiman < 1280087428 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: So's Beck. < 1280087441 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still a scientologist no matter the generations. < 1280087462 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, but I can understand more if it's because of your parents. < 1280087613 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"His father's position as a public relations official of the Church of Scientology" < 1280087620 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Precisely. < 1280087621 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dayum. :) < 1280087639 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not as if he was sane, then became a Scientologist. < 1280087640 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... I should make pages for esolangs I have designed on Esowiki... < 1280087653 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He was a Scientologist, then became sane. < 1280087721 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I even have decent descriptions for first two (apart from reference implementation code). < 1280087766 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-25-180.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1280087977 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dog gammitting < 1280088223 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Amish! < 1280088693 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1280089099 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone, where were you yesterday? < 1280089144 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Busy. < 1280089147 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry. < 1280089215 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should be! Being on-channel is the stern duty of everyone, no excuses. < 1280089230 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is on-channel even when sleeping < 1280089241 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: Say, why the iPhone while freedom-having? < 1280089288 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone is free? < 1280089301 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Is weekend. < 1280089323 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's SUNDAY? < 1280089326 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION blinks < 1280089355 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Long story. Right now fixing the shit laptop. < 1280089403 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: People have good reason to fear for me when I'm not here :P < 1280089425 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll be out so soon... then it's over. < 1280089465 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess, it was just the tone. < 1280089512 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1280089907 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1280090437 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any windowser around? < 1280090453 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I upgrade to sp3 before disabling product activation? < 1280090473 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is a Windowser, but doesn't know the answer < 1280090476 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should totally, totally slipstream SP3. < 1280090483 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't it depend on how you disable it? < 1280090497 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd imagine some ways might not block upgrades, and some would < 1280090500 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1280090523 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just listen to pikhq < 1280090546 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on SP0. < 1280090562 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the FCKGW key :) < 1280090577 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So upgrade to sp3 disable wga disable activation? < 1280090598 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sp0 will not work on my comp < 1280090729 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sp0 seems faster than sp3 < 1280090852 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it? < 1280090895 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Until you put it on the Internet and get every virus simultaneously. < 1280090919 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: This thing has 64 megs ram < 1280090927 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Viruses would run out of memory. < 1280090957 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: You'd still have them all. < 1280090962 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd just be swapping forever. < 1280090982 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this thing is bearable! Sp3 wasn't. < 1280091001 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MiniXP SP3. < 1280091012 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it *will* cease to be bearable once it's on the Internet. < 1280091028 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not even "once you do something stupid like run the ILOVEYOU email". < 1280091039 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Packets come in and you're fucked.* < 1280091045 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's on the Internet XD < 1280091052 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you're fucked. < 1280091060 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clean it and install again. < 1280091061 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not yet... < 1280091066 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, yet. < 1280091072 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1280091095 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It has received 3703 packets. < 1280091097 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would not trust an unpatched XP system that has ever been on the Internet at all. < 1280091105 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have loaded maybe 7 pages. < 1280091112 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All packets accounted for. < 1280091112 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would not trust an unpatched XP system that has ever been on the Internet at all. < 1280091117 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would not trust an unpatched XP system that has ever been on the Internet at all. < 1280091123 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: And no open ports < 1280091127 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would not trust an unpatched XP system that has ever been on the Internet at all. < 1280091129 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Router NAT < 1280091132 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would not trust an unpatched XP system that has ever been on the Internet at all. < 1280091156 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shut up and use your brain. I can't install sp3 without downloading it < 1280091170 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use a different system to download the SP3 EXE. < 1280091173 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would not trust an unpatched XP system that has ever been on the Internet at all. < 1280091183 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't. And STFU. < 1280091189 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would not trust an unpatched XP system that has ever been on the Internet at all. < 1280091199 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1280091203 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S < 1280091204 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :T < 1280091204 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :F < 1280091205 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :U < 1280091208 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, XP SP0 is the least secure system ever. < 1280091225 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is why I only connect for the time I load a page. < 1280091235 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not kidding when I say that *putting it on the Internet* gets it infected. < 1280091238 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT IS BEHIND A NAT < 1280091245 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOBODY CAN ACCESS ANY PORT < 1280091249 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ANY* < 1280091281 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*YOU COULD BE INFECTED BY A FUCKING IMAGE ON ONE OF THOSE WEBSITES FOR GODS SAKE*. < 1280091301 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. On google and the xplite site < 1280091353 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are running an arbitrary-native-code-execution-engine on your system and feeding it sites from the Internet. Wipe the fucking drive. < 1280091372 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh... Reminds me that I once got attacked before routing tables were updated (which happened few seconds after connection was up). < 1280091381 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh shut up. I'm being very careful. < 1280091386 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no other option. < 1280091413 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You ran unpatched IE from an unpatched XP system. In short, you are fucked. < 1280091437 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are putting blind ideology before the facts. < 1280091485 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The facts are: you'd be more secure if you were accessing the web soley via downloading arbitrary COM files and running them in DOS, if only because hardly anyone bothers to attack DOS any more. < 1280091510 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You know I am going to run a scanner after upgrading. < 1280091529 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HACKED SCANNER < 1280091548 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: Won't necessarily help. Many viruses, once installed, will patch virus scanners so they don't get detected. < 1280091585 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :God pikhq is paranoid. :) < 1280091592 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm bring very careful. < 1280091596 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*being < 1280091601 0 :SevenInchBread!~adam@h193.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280091617 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1280091623 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're running the least secure OS with virtual memory. < 1280091628 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: What's that wga inhibitor? < 1280091654 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :muBlinder < 1280091686 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1280091736 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It wants me to register. Jeez < 1280091749 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, to download it < 1280091764 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may've made a bugmenot account for it, can't remember < 1280091786 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: "About NetHack: between hurworth and neasham. (bulfinch's mythology, by alexandre dumas): anya, get out of spain. one finds all kinds. (...)" < 1280091788 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bugm3n0t works < 1280091822 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I probably did, because I think there wasn't one when I got it < 1280091844 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Heh. It doesn't run. < 1280091854 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fails to initialize. < 1280091871 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Needs .NET < 1280091883 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have it, beats me. < 1280091884 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1280091896 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't remember which version; it might say on the page. < 1280091907 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1280092233 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK < 1280092267 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Winstaller 4 needs sp2. Sp2 won't install without muinder requires net requires winstaller < 1280092272 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solution? < 1280092308 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: Install some more secure browser and use that and forget the SP? < 1280092340 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: But then pikhq will rape me until I smash it with a hammer. < 1280092467 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Can you upgrade to sp2 using an xpsp2 disk? < 1280092470 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CD < 1280092486 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno < 1280092598 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CHEKKIT OUT http://esolangs.org/wiki/BF2C < 1280092606 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My first compiler, rather than an interpreter < 1280092633 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does it have an article? < 1280092642 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1280092646 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's awesome < 1280092653 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1280092664 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's because I want to only have links on my user page < 1280092671 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You wrote like 99% of the wiki by now. < 1280092676 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slow down. < 1280092676 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I have to put that somewhere < 1280092679 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XP < 1280092682 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it translates brainfuck to C, you can barely call it a compiler; also. < 1280092691 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Want doesn't justify spam. Stop. < 1280092696 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :._. < 1280092703 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not spamming. < 1280092717 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't created a page if it wasn't for something useful < 1280092743 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've implemented all but my newest esolang idea, and I've implemented a handful of previously unimplemented languages < 1280092762 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A BF to C compiler takes about 10 lines. There are thousands. < 1280092763 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey all < 1280092765 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey lia < 1280092767 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. aliseiphone < 1280092776 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it do advanced optimisations? < 1280092781 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw a link to one on the BF page < 1280092790 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does some < 1280092793 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. An external link. < 1280092794 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very little, though < 1280092807 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See esotope. That should have a page. < 1280092966 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1280093330 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl29-2-0-cust326.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1280093877 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madk: some people have been complaining about some of your edits to Esolang; I've given you some advice at http://esolangs.org/wiki/User_talk:Madk which should hopefully help to avoid problems in the future < 1280094208 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for the first point, I don't recall doing anything like this. < 1280094226 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I intentionally try to only link to another page once < 1280094271 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You are the very model of a modern mediator. < 1280094297 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madk: ah, OK; just relaying what people have said, it's great that you're doing that already < 1280094362 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1280094398 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: He's information vegetable, animal and mineral! < 1280094459 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That's the very model of a singularitarian, sorry. < 1280094524 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I could add that if you want a link to BF2C, you could just link to "Brainfuck#Implementations" (isn't that the section-link syntax?) with BF2C in the visible link text; anyone reading will probably understand that the link conceptually points to the one implementation named in it. < 1280094546 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan! < 1280094569 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, < 1280094603 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, that's the correct syntax < 1280094757 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madk, what does BF2C have over other compilers? < 1280094763 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like esotope. < 1280094791 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm... I did not see that there were other compilers. Had I seen any, I would've kept to my business with it < 1280094799 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw esotope, yes, but no others < 1280094814 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's gigantic tons of compilers. < 1280094832 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madk: see external resources section in http://esolangs.org/wiki/brainfuck < 1280094839 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then thst was judt my mistake :/ < 1280094861 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, did you make that compiler to x86 assembly, by the way? < 1280094861 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, there are a ton of interpreters, of course < 1280094874 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Tokyo", for instance, was actually written as "toukyau"... < 1280094883 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only the one seems to be capable of getting a bf source file into an executable < 1280094885 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's almost the english pronunciation isn't it :D < 1280094889 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I did make one, yeah. < 1280094892 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No. < 1280094897 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madk, it kind of says in the article that BF was *created* to be compiled. < 1280094902 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is also at least one called "BF2C": http://bf2c.sourceforge.net/ < 1280094905 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Also, I screwed that up. "Toukiyau". < 1280094909 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :._. < 1280094913 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1280094914 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My apologies, as I said < 1280094938 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't awib a compiler? < 1280094947 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one's notable due to being written in BF itself < 1280094947 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes. < 1280094959 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It generates ELFs. Directly. < 1280094962 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's notable due to the awesome name. < 1280094964 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1280094982 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madk, there's also c2bf. < 1280094991 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Also Written In BrainFuck is also written in brainfuck." < 1280094998 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it's not perfect. < 1280094999 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I get it, I get it. < 1280095012 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ("ye" has *ceased to be a valid syllable in Japanese*.) < 1280095022 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? But we're just pontificating on BF stuff now. < 1280095035 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's a bijection from the nats to BF. < 1280095037 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, you mean their currency isn't actually pronounced "yen" in japanese? < 1280095081 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "yen" would be a different syllable to "ye" < 1280095119 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I should've said "mora", not "syllable". < 1280095122 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... Postselection time travel... Requires nonlinear QM... Wouldn't that imply that BQP would equal PSPACE? < 1280095122 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: um yen(n) was the example pikhq used of ye. < 1280095127 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1280095131 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Japanese is a mora-structured language. < 1280095134 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"n" is a mora. < 1280095146 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ye" is no longer a mora. It was a few hundred years ago. < 1280095181 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Their currency is pronounced "en", yes. Also, "Iwo Jima" is not pronounced that way any more. < 1280095220 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The *kana* for wo only exists for the object particle, and is only read *as* "wo" in a few dialects of Japanese. (... And rock music.) < 1280095307 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's got "wo", "kwa", "ye", "yi", "we", or "wi" in it, the romanisation is horrifically wrong. < 1280095335 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1280095374 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1280095451 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if it's got "di" or "du", it's suspect... < 1280095488 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1280095505 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl29-2-0-cust326.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1280095509 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(nowadays the voiced "t" in those are read "ji" and "zu", *but* some romanisations will do those as "di" and "du", to disambiguate with the voiced "s", read "ji" and "zu") < 1280095691 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bjorn was deathly afraid of beetles. DEATHLY afraid. < 1280095733 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to prevent stack overflow when recursive calls come in the middle of a function? < 1280095739 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, I'm having an argument (turning into a bit of a flamewar) in another channel as to what proportion Macs are out of all computers in existence, even broken ones < 1280095751 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone's claiming it's less than 0.01%, I'm claiming it's a lot higher, around 1% or even a bit more < 1280095789 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes, but you will instead get absurdly large continuations. < 1280095804 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternately, you will have absurdly large *thunks*. < 1280095820 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that person is patently an idiot. < 1280095821 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Do Apple IIs count? < 1280095833 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: I don't know, but I doubt it matters < 1280095840 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's say anything marketed by apple with "Mac" in its name < 1280095843 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If so... It's more like 20%. < 1280095845 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a computer < 1280095863 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: it may have been at the time, but more recently produced computers probably massively outnumber Apple IIs < 1280095872 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe. < 1280095888 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: All computers in existence? < 1280095898 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That depends on how you define "computer". < 1280095901 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: agreed < 1280095912 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the discussion seems to be assuming "desktop or laptop/notebook computer" < 1280095920 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1280095932 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then lets say 10% macs or more. < 1280095948 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If servers. God knows. < 1280095953 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: Mac market share has historically never been above 10% < 1280095958 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how could it be above 10% now? < 1280095963 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why is this person hysterically anti-Mac? < 1280095973 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd call it 2%-ish. < 1280095976 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Fanboy.y < 1280095979 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: he said he saw thousands of computers working in tech support < 1280095984 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You cannot infer that < 1280095991 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect he may have been a Windows tech support person, in which case of course he was only called out to Windows shops < 1280095999 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from what ais said about him < 1280096018 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Then 7%. < 1280096035 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably, only Microsoft knows < 1280096036 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'd suspect Mac computers go in less. < 1280096048 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have more accurate PC and Windows share figures than anyone else < 1280096053 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What with them being somewhat better hardware and less flakey OS. < 1280096058 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps < 1280096086 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly, I can imagine that there are a lot more low-quality PCs than low-quality Macs < 1280096092 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But old macs... < 1280096118 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vaguely wonders what the shortest sequence of letters with no Google hits is < 1280096125 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION guesses 5 or 6 letters < 1280096128 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: Still work. < 1280096129 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1280096158 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do i install sp2 when it rejects my key? < 1280096172 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, don't forget long pages of quasi-random ASCII < 1280096185 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I'm not < 1280096196 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 or 6 seems to be the right level to make combinations that all those pages miss by chance < 1280096209 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's what made me reject 4) < 1280096234 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, but Google doesn't accept a lot of printable ASCII < 1280096397 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: *Characters*, or letters in ASCII? < 1280096498 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASCII letters < 1280096508 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said "letters" for a reason, but forgot to qualify which language < 1280096510 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curses. < 1280096920 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1280097171 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: haven't found one yet, there's a particular kind of spam that keeps getting me a single hit on things like tpqxkc < 1280097182 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed < 1280097188 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, I'm surprised you're actually trying < 1280097209 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i first tried with 5 but couldn't get it below a few hundred hits < 1280097233 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm only trying with very unpronouncable things containing rare letters, obviously < 1280097324 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah! ntqkxc works < 1280097362 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(until google gets to these logs, anyhow >:D) < 1280097368 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now make an esolang called that. < 1280097417 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Notify, Talk, Queue, Kill, eXecute, Create. < 1280097424 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on processes clearly. < 1280097675 0 :tombom_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1280097924 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit < 1280097936 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1280098016 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupid XP < 1280098112 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1280098208 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1280098596 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1280098604 0 :Zuu!zuu@0x55529f1b.adsl.cybercity.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1280098604 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1280098604 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1280098652 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: see non-hit above in case you didn't notice < 1280098680 0 :Madk!~Madk@c-71-63-79-112.hsd1.va.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280098706 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yep, I noticed < 1280099141 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1280099203 0 :Madk!~Madk@c-71-63-79-112.hsd1.va.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280099968 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha: "'the ruthlessness of a COBOL compiler forces you to create readable, structured code' [...] You should ALTER your views on this subject.". < 1280100061 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There probably isn't esolang with implments segmentation and ALTER like COBOL... < 1280100103 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: I'm using NO SCRIPT WHATSOEVER - Download it at file:///dev/null < 1280100333 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1280100423 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell replicate' n x = x : replicate (n-1) x; kol = concat . zipWith replicate' kol $ cycle [1,2]; main = print $ take 100 col < 1280100435 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell replicate' n x = x : replicate (n-1) x; kol = concat . zipWith replicate' kol $ cycle [1,2]; main = print $ take 100 kol < 1280100438 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stack space overflow: current size 8388608 bytes. < 1280100447 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1280100459 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Get Colloquy for iPhone! http://mobile.colloquy.info < 1280100467 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh duh < 1280100468 0 :aliseiphone!~ehirdipho@91.105.79.116 JOIN :#esoteric < 1280101002 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1280101349 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1280101517 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to come up with an esolang idea that is radically different from anything already existing. I'm trying to fugure something out that is as far from a turing machine as possible, but would perhaps still be turing-complete < 1280101537 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those esolangs are the best esolangs < 1280101541 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best things I've come up with would be totally unusable for writing a program < 1280101542 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although ofc it's quite hard to think up that sort of thing < 1280101555 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it's TC, it's unlikely to be completley unusable < 1280101592 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Start with recursive neural networks. And work from there? :P < 1280101595 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best things I've been able to come up with are along the lines of 1D cellular automata < 1280101630 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor: that wouldn't be any good, I don't want the program to be unpredictable, just different < 1280101656 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said START from there, not FINISH there, it's up to you to figure out how to make it deterministic (or at least deterministic in certain cases) < 1280101696 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :._. < 1280101891 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1280101895 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone pinged me but now they're gone. < 1280101909 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :CakeProphet < 1280101918 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : That's what they get for pinging me! MUAHAHAHAHAHAH < 1280101919 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover < 1280101920 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SevenInchBread: YOU WERE THEIR ONLY HOPE AND NOW IT'S TOO LATE < 1280101929 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUUUUUUUUUUUUU < 1280101938 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Gee, we both went in such different directions with that :P < 1280101972 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great minds think radically different < 1280101982 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(see above) < 1280102009 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alas 1d cellular automata aren't new either < 1280102013 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but I think that great minds think the same! < 1280102032 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't say they were good ideas, just my best < 1280102077 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Get Colloquy for iPhone! http://mobile.colloquy.info < 1280102086 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm putting off gerbil because pathfinding is going to be horrific .-. < 1280102151 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :teach your computer Taoism < 1280102154 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they will know the Way