< 1280102925 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1280103089 0 :calamari_!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280103958 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/tmp/teddy.gif < 1280103996 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :om nom nom nom? < 1280104332 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmmmmm < 1280104333 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Human < 1280104682 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1280104869 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: http://codu.org/tmp/teddynom.gif THIS HAS NO CONVERSATIONAL RELEVANCE < 1280104874 0 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1280104955 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8D < 1280104981 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for the nom, which was obviously added because of it < 1280105013 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Actually I made a more optimized version and had to give it a new name :P < 1280105045 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I stole that from http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0Xa4bHcJu8 , which you should watch if you feel you're no longer in need of your sanity. < 1280105204 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i'm definitely in need of my sanity. now if i could just remember where i put it... < 1280105315 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1280105380 0 :Madk!~Madk@c-71-63-79-112.hsd1.va.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280105651 0 :SevenInchBread!~adam@h164.10.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280105834 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1280108949 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.79.116 JOIN :#esoteric < 1280109029 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh my life. < 1280109046 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh? < 1280109254 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, it's pretty late for you to be online < 1280109267 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm usually on at this time. Why? < 1280109287 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, you normally come online earlier < 1280109290 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and would be leaving around now < 1280109299 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not around now, no. < 1280109306 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I note it's a Monday, and yet you aren't on your iPhone < 1280109326 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably because you don't have to go there until what normal people consider the morning? < 1280109334 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only 2 hours since aliseiphone left < 1280109341 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, aha < 1280109357 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes; I haven't slept yet. < 1280109526 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@bas5-toronto47-1176439055.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1280110830 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1280110838 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: looks like you have a stalker. :) < 1280110842 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :CakeProphet < 1280110845 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm? < 1280110852 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god damnit IRC. stop disconnecting me and changing my nick. < 1280110865 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: in ais523 < 1280110867 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1280110879 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not really < 1280110884 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just being sociable < 1280110909 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...my humor is not appreciated, it seems. < 1280110927 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :humour generally needs to actually be funny < 1280110983 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bjorn vork'd stairs were up the -- he saw light -- trod onwards what's this spicy light ; frightening events -- trod trod trod. stairs. more stairs and steeper now vertical climb screes rocks bjorn hooks on with teeth as legs fall... stretch crumble scrummage up towards top, what's top. angel angel okay "this is " what is "the thing you need--" he fell "--bjorn!" caught by angel with newfound adolescent delight & fury he climbed. -- rocks fall up up vertica < 1280110984 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :l pushing so gravity makes glonk glonk go feet plod in light & bjorn climbs & bjorn climbs & bjorn climbs & it's the top & he's there & unfantastic light humbly casts upon him & he absorbs it in & it is nothing much & it is nothing special & it is home < 1280111149 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bjorn is, like, the most confused person ever. < 1280111151 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Bjorn Chronicles < 1280111154 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :His life keeps jumping wildly between uncorrelated events. < 1280111159 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*unrelated < 1280111162 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did I say uncorrelated? < 1280111165 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need to fix that < 1280111170 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. < 1280111171 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uncorrelated seems just fine in that context < 1280111175 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I didn't mean uncorrelated, not really. < 1280111175 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably more fun < 1280111176 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Anachronicles < 1280111272 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i was thinking "The Chronicles of the Life and Times of Bjorn, [long list of ridiculous titles]" < 1280111564 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1280111574 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1280111590 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1280111762 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there once was a person who bjorn < 1280111762 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :had good inkling of thought to scorn < 1280111762 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : but this man did say < 1280111762 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "i'll tell you, okay, < 1280111762 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why and how are our fates are born." < 1280111763 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1280111765 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"tell me young man with grandeoise plans, < 1280111767 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know of the various & diverse clans?" < 1280111769 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : to bjorn's reply, the young man devised < 1280111771 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : a suitable response without any lies: < 1280111773 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"those issues are those of man's." < 1280111775 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1280111777 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"codswallop, trivial and wrong; < 1280111779 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll have you singing my song < 1280111781 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : before the end of the day < 1280111783 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : your thoughts will sway < 1280111785 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you'll realign your ways, dear mong." < 1280112011 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1280112141 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/yawn < 1280112315 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:33:49 * cheater99 suddenly finds a forgotten stash of porn movies. < 1280112316 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:43:00 * pikhq is certain you will soon regret finding it < 1280112318 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"...Mother?!" < 1280112331 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw < 1280112338 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1280112338 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's cuuuute < 1280112365 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1280112366 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT < 1280112367 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CUTE < 1280112407 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1280112409 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incest is best < 1280112421 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote incest is best < 1280112423 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :197| incest is best < 1280112436 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you probably didn't know alise is actually my younger sister < 1280112516 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1280112581 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :en-GB-oed is weird < 1280112583 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahhhhh. I didn't realize he'd actually gotten the sex change operation. < 1280112591 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(real-IZE but ana-LYSE) < 1280112601 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: "he" :P < 1280112616 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1280112616 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ex-he < 1280112646 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't the appropriate word in that case be "she"? :P < 1280112667 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION proposes we remove gendered pronouns < 1280112692 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suggest us something that isn't obviously a good idea. < 1280112744 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remove _all_ pronouns < 1280112748 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1280112759 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remove all language. < 1280112769 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should start communicating with direct mental imagery. < 1280112774 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now THAT would be nice. < 1280112795 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but then imagine communicating with /you/. < 1280112807 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I AM PROJECTING PORNOGRAPHY ONTO YOUR VISUAL CORTEX." < 1280112810 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would totally intimidate you < 1280112816 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it wouldn't be pornography < 1280112832 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be the most mind-twisting imagination of R^n for n>3. < 1280112836 0 :calamari_!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280112856 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Turn English into pro-drop? Amenable. < 1280112876 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you wouldn't stand a moment, alise. < 1280112897 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow i don't believe cheater99 can actually see in >3D. < 1280112899 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gasp < 1280112904 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1280112907 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having removed, English becomes concise. Like. < 1280112909 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be wrong < 1280112918 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you obviously don't know jack, alise < 1280112943 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my mental prowess is beyond anything you could put a finger on. < 1280112944 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq is dumb. think wants a simpler language; think will find hopes are misguided, as language becomes incomprehensible. < 1280112956 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: only matched by your humbleness. < 1280112974 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only matched what? < 1280112981 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't understand. < 1280113003 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will stop being silly? < 1280113021 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Incomprehensible? No worse than Japanese; pro-drop too. < 1280113036 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i beg to differ. < 1280113041 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anata is a simple pronoun. < 1280113046 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so are kore, watashi, etc. < 1280113050 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: how do you say "him and I" in Japanese? < 1280113056 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: And they are hardly ever used. < 1280113056 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1280113063 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do say "and" in Japanese? :P < 1280113069 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1280113071 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: to < 1280113076 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to, yes < 1280113095 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it was a joke < 1280113099 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"him and I", how do you say that. < 1280113101 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: they're hardly ever used but they're not inexistant < 1280113105 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kare to watashi < 1280113161 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: They're also etymologically derived from not-pronouns. "Anata" is something akin to "in that direction", kore is "the item over here", boku is "your humble servant", omae is "Honorable person over there", kimi is "Lord", and so on... < 1280113182 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pronouns are pronouns < 1280113195 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :polish doesn't use pronouns for day to day simple conversation < 1280113202 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather < 1280113204 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so without pronouns, are all confused; but is simpler, so all rejoice, seems. < 1280113212 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses a lot of them, but not personal ones < 1280113227 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Not confused; quite simple to understand. < 1280113242 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are special rules because the information carried by many pronouns is carried in the words surrounding them. < 1280113256 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: but throw away metasyntactic version of "pikhq"? why? < 1280113283 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Japanese just omits pretty much any part of the sentence that is obvious. < 1280113306 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, a virus is a stand-alone program; a worm can only infect another program < 1280113311 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :talk about a reversal < 1280113403 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1280113409 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where did you get those definitions from < 1280113417 0 :iamcal!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280113511 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? < 1280113512 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia using it offhand was what inspired me to make that remark; but i knew it already < 1280113543 0 :cal153!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1280113552 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are some dumb definitions < 1280113571 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're the widely-accepted ones ... < 1280113591 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're widely accepted if you suck < 1280113650 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: what sort of music do you listen to? < 1280113667 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i listen to white noise and the sound of GLOBAL WARMING < 1280113675 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1280113683 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't listen to CESIUM DECAY???????????????? < 1280113696 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's a given < 1280113705 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok good. < 1280113708 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was beginning to worry. < 1280113775 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you ever listen to electronic music, alise? < 1280113800 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, sometimes i listen to the 50hz tone underlying our electrical system. < 1280113826 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1280113828 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what else? < 1280113839 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :innocent babies dying < 1280113852 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got any more insanely smart remarks, or can we get on with the conversation. < 1280113864 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not electronic, alise < 1280113881 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: nope and nope < 1280113886 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless their dying is actuated through midi < 1280113886 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1280113900 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: omfg i'm going to KIRRRR U < 1280113912 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/zee/vg/zee5.ogg Technically electronic music! :P < 1280113934 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: give me a useful answer to my question, or DIE < 1280113937 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in pain. < 1280113941 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: no. < 1280113953 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: The correct response was "NO U" < 1280113954 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1280113964 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: U. < 1280113974 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.gamerevolution.com/manifesto/happy-japanese-kirby-angry-american-kirby-500 < 1280113977 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KIRBY HATES THE UNITED STATES. < 1280113981 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, that was a mislink above < 1280113985 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/music/vg/zee5.ogg Technically electronic music! :P < 1280113998 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think i've ever finished kirby for snes < 1280114002 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was too fucking bland < 1280114003 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it gba < 1280114005 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways < 1280114015 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/yce2x.jpg --> http://i.imgur.com/PrR02.jpg < 1280114019 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :america just ruins everything < 1280114062 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1280114066 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-236-245.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1280114069 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1280114075 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: do you listen to electronic music? < 1280114082 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: From nondescript to "why is this featureless semihuman mess on my box" < 1280114093 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i listen to electronic moo-sic < 1280114097 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sounds of androidal cows < 1280114105 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f u < 1280114108 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Hey, I think the first image is pretty. < 1280114115 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not being very friendly today < 1280114126 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: but you're being inane < 1280114128 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As opposed to all other days. < 1280114128 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Do electric cows dream of robots? < 1280114161 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Also, AAAGH THE AWFUL ART DEAR GOD WHAT SORT OF MONSTER WOULD DO THAT < 1280114166 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1280114204 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That game, incidentally, violates the GPL: http://astrange.ithinksw.net/ico/ < 1280114215 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: die already < 1280114231 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: if you don't like me, maybe stop talking to me < 1280114239 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like you right now. < 1280114240 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1280114259 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll probably like you later. < 1280114263 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm like that. < 1280114293 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should sleep soon. < 1280114532 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and never wake up. < 1280114636 0 :Wamanuz!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1280114758 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :must sleep < 1280115468 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye. < 1280115469 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1280117581 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1280117931 0 :calamari_!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280118717 0 :CakeProphet!~adam@h100.61.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280120460 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1280120469 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1280120471 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1280120475 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1280120537 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1280120639 0 :CakeProphet!~adam@h46.24.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280120921 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1280121036 0 :CakeProphet!~adam@h46.24.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280121653 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1280122466 0 :calamari_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1280125051 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1280126133 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1280129488 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1280129539 0 :CakeProphet!~adam@h23.52.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280130002 0 :MizardX!~MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1280130684 0 :coppro!~coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1280131199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1280131200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1280133642 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah... Found out why pushes were failing sometimes: Socat was involved and it was configured with default half-close timeout of half second(!). So if the remote end didn't respond in half second, socat would close the connection completely, causing failure. :-/ < 1280133774 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The source end half-closes the connection when its done and then starts to wait for response... < 1280133855 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Half a second is quite low timeout... < 1280134481 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1280134883 0 :Madk!~Madk@c-71-63-79-112.hsd1.va.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280135030 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I have a pano coming up later. Need to be anonymised (some faces blurred) first. < 1280135105 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also taken with a friend's camera. So kind of different quality (slightly worse than mine) < 1280135220 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-5-69.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280135272 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1280135275 0 :gm|lap!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1280135460 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1280137198 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1280137210 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1280137513 0 :oklopol!~oklopol@dsl-trebrasgw1-fe86f900-163.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1280138491 0 :aliseiphone!~ehirdipho@91.105.79.116 JOIN :#esoteric < 1280138771 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1280139079 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1280139086 0 :aliseiphone!~ehirdipho@82.132.139.78 JOIN :#esoteric < 1280139396 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1280139580 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1280140165 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone, do you have to go to the unit in the summer? < 1280141031 0 :gm|lap!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: I'm using NO SCRIPT WHATSOEVER - Download it at file:///dev/null < 1280142637 0 :choochter!~choochter@nat/ibm/x-hzyyifdekazmqgjg JOIN :#esoteric < 1280145189 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, http://omploader.org/vNTFzag < 1280145198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :free hand, so kind of wonky < 1280145226 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shouldn't the house wrap to the right of the image? < 1280145265 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, not 360° < 1280145269 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so :P < 1280145328 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks very... bucolic. < 1280145346 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googles bucolic < 1280145368 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh sure. kollonilottsomrÃ¥de < 1280145374 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure how to translate < 1280145436 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds like it's the same thing as fi:siirtolapuutarha, but I don't know if there's an English word for it at all. < 1280145483 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I can't read that ;P < 1280145510 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what does it mean though? < 1280145527 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1280145750 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's this sort of gardeny area divided into (rather small) pieces of land you can rent. Usually there's a small cottage on it, where they take us every midsummer even though there's nothing much to do there, and I just end up playing around with the phone all the time, and... I think I got a bit sidetracked there. < 1280145775 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm yes < 1280145783 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, though I'm not sure it is rented here < 1280145801 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, bought maybe < 1280145803 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1280145809 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's my grandparents who owns it < 1280145828 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps rent it < 1280145906 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why on earth does *.tif default to opening in evince? < 1280145911 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and where does one change that in gnome < 1280145930 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmn. Around here I've understood the land is owned by the city, though the cottages I think are built/bought by the tenants. < 1280145976 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and there's some sort of technical endless waiting-list if you want a spot (since all the areas are totally full), but it's completely useless, since no-one ever leaves; they just keep passing the place on to friends and relatives if someone gets fed up. < 1280145995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I know my grandfather (mother's side) build the large house that is partly outside the picture by himself many many years ago. The small brown one is more recent iirc, and he didn't build that < 1280146039 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I'm kind of surprised it turned out that well with a mean control point distance of 9.5 and max of 49.8 < 1280146053 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find any seam < 1280146089 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foliage is an "easy" target when it comes to seams, enblend can usually make it disappear somewhere inside the mess. < 1280146134 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true but the seams in the preview were all on houses < 1280146197 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's an aerial photo of one local "siirtolapuutarha" place: http://kartat.eniro.fi/m/pAZrf -- I think it's a non-Flash thing, though it does need all those scripts. < 1280146214 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, on the other hand, I had to do all control points by hand. The automatic ones all ended up in the white sky and WAY wrong < 1280146264 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-flash indeed < 1280146266 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's that one cloud-detecting heuristic, I've been wondering if I should try it some time. Of course it wouldn't really help if all the points are there. < 1280146303 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it doesn't work on overcast skys < 1280146309 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes on several they were all up there < 1280146426 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl29-2-0-cust326.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1280146426 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, for example it ended up hiding that "portal" before, matching up the bushes on either side. And no, the controlpoints only did image pairs < 1280146439 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, however, it did put all in the sky like in opposite corners < 1280146444 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah it ended up hidden < 1280146479 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh and source material was jpg, couldn't find raw on that camera. < 1280146520 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh and I couldn't get my card reader on my laptop to work. It did accept the XD card from the camera, but it never showed it in dmesg or elsewhere < 1280146524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder why < 1280146701 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, did you see the bird btw? < 1280146774 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1280146819 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not, since I can't seem to find a bird now either, even though you said there's one. < 1280146825 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, in front of that person standing there < 1280146842 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talgoxe < 1280146845 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there. < 1280146889 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's fi:talitiainen, or more colloquially known as fi:talitintti. < 1280147102 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is again very off-topicy for this channel, but I was recently linked to http://www.effectgames.com/demos/canvascycle/?sound=0 and can't resist the impulse to pass it on; palette-rotation based animation is almost a lost art nowadays. < 1280147112 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, did you see the other birds < 1280147123 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only see them because I know they were there < 1280147159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, look on the opposite side to the first bird < 1280147167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the ground < 1280147181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some potatos left over from dinner there and some birds next to that < 1280147181 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1280147204 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two to be exact < 1280147223 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there. Yes, they're rather unobvious. < 1280147232 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I think at least one is either http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gr%C3%A5sparv or http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilfink < 1280147246 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants to write a series of 7625597484987 books. < 1280147314 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is kind of hard to tell the difference between those < 1280147330 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm I think I have some close images on them < 1280147382 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1280147384 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION uploads < 1280147429 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, first image http://omploader.org/vNTF0bA < 1280147443 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and second http://omploader.org/vNTF0bQ < 1280147563 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your Wikipedia links are fi:varpunen (lit. "small twig") and fi:pikkuvarpunen (lit. "small small twig"), respectively; our bird nomenclature leaves something to be desired. < 1280147679 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, XD < 1280147693 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, tree sparrow and house sparrow it seems to be for English < 1280147709 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and um. that very first one next to the person: "great tit" < 1280147715 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :innuendo at it's finest < 1280147773 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, there's tons of horrible, horrible, even-worse-than-oerjan-level puns on tits. < 1280147840 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1280148212 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1280149421 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1280149718 0 :Madk!~Madk@162.84.95.122 JOIN :#esoteric < 1280150085 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-5-69.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280150422 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1280150438 0 :MizardX!~MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1280150794 0 :aliseiphone_!~ehirdipho@82.132.139.26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1280150864 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone made a language that's easily compilable into a Turing Machine? < 1280150970 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck is pretty easy to compile in a Turing machine < 1280151002 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a language that is a Turing machine, which is even easier to compile into a turing machine! < 1280151067 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1280151069 0 :aliseiphone_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :aliseiphone < 1280151088 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, preferably high-level and non-obfuscated. < 1280151160 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, neither are obfuscated, but high level languages aren't common, and I doubt they'd be easy to compile into a turing machine < 1280151172 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends what you mean by high level < 1280151196 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turing himself defined a set of functions for his machine to make it easier to program in, does it qualify? < 1280151211 0 :aschueler!~alec@host86-165-128-91.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1280151267 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, hmm. < 1280151280 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose tape-based things are harder to moduarise. < 1280151289 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/moduarise/modularise/ < 1280151442 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He defined functions that can be used to find a character on the tape, go back to a certain marker, copy characters, erase particular symbols, replace elements, stuff like that < 1280151456 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is extremely easy to compile into a turing machine < 1280151463 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to implement that, but got lazy < 1280151494 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1280151540 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By "high-level" I mean abstracted from the details of tape management and the like. < 1280151557 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not "make a C to TM compiler". < 1280151571 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making BrainFuck 5D < 1280151592 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's BrainFuck with 5 dimensions to maneuver the memory pointer in < 1280151601 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's awesome :D < 1280151610 0 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1280151614 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iunno$ < 1280151631 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, making brainfuck in any number of dimension isn't particularly hard < 1280151638 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so? < 1280151638 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It generalizes easily < 1280151641 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still fun < 1280151647 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In what way? < 1280151701 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beats me < 1280151717 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :making the arbitrarily large array work in 5 dimensions, perhpas? < 1280151731 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madk, doesn't seem *too* hard. < 1280151735 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's turning out to be pretty fun < 1280151745 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, but it's still a challenge < 1280151747 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just make an array of array of array of array < 1280151750 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a language with arbitrarily sized arrays in the first place. < 1280151777 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the language I'm working in has extremely inefficient arbitrary arrays < 1280151781 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to make it challenging, try doing it with a folding function :3 < 1280151792 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a bit of a system I've worked out for myself < 1280151801 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's for 1d arrays. < 1280151804 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not 2d. < 1280151809 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not 3d. < 1280151812 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even 4d. < 1280151822 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah, I get to rewrite it < 1280151832 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not *too* hard, really, but not easy, for sure. < 1280151863 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck is easy to implement, really, whatever the nuances < 1280151873 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the interesting part isn't so much resizing the array when needed < 1280151886 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's handling when the memory pointer moves into negative indexes < 1280151908 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and finding a good way to check 5 of these at once isn't the most relazing thing in the world < 1280151954 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madk, which language? < 1280151967 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's called BlitzMax. < 1280151985 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a lot of people know about it, but we who use it love it < 1280152085 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's expensive, so that deters a lot of people, too. < 1280152123 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not expensive if you PIRATE IT < 1280152215 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Based on BASIC". That seems suspect. < 1280152273 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slereah: It's by an independant developer who listens to the community. Don't steal from the little people ._. < 1280152290 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :phantom_hoover: ehhh.. that's mostly because of its predecessors < 1280152303 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were totally basic, but BlitzMax is more OO < 1280152312 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's nive because it can do both < 1280152319 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BASIC and OO? < 1280152344 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C and OO? < 1280152347 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So wait, what fantabulous features does it have? < 1280152350 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait, that didn't turn out too well < 1280152351 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's got a basic-like syntax that makes it fast to code and relatively easy to read, but the core OO concepts are stillt here < 1280152365 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*coughpython* < 1280152369 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :._. < 1280152372 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :python sucks < 1280152378 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Easy to read and OO? < 1280152382 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is at war with Madk . < 1280152383 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is so. < 1280152398 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madk, why? < 1280152401 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION steals Madk < 1280152408 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AHHHHHhhh-slience- < 1280152438 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rarely use it, but it's a good language to write quick programs that you're writing for the halibut. < 1280152489 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have more Python experience than any other language < 1280152506 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also good because it's totally cross-platform on PCs - windows, max, and linux, and plans to add support for ARM-processor-based systems < 1280152519 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madk, but it's commercial! < 1280152528 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's worth it. < 1280152537 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :give mark silby a chance < 1280152542 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it compiled? < 1280152567 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, OK. < 1280152572 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1280152576 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes it tolerable enough. < 1280152579 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Google) < 1280152591 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"compiled"? < 1280152611 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in compiler vs interpreter, right? < 1280152620 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compiled into a binary that can be run without it installed. < 1280152624 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1280152630 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why I hate python < 1280152638 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's interpreted? < 1280152647 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically it compiles into x86 assembly < 1280152653 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, it compiles < 1280152662 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*at leat on windows, it does < 1280152666 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/It's/Python's/ < 1280152696 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, clarifying: you hate Python because it's interpreted? < 1280152721 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't use it as a C++ substitute, I guess < 1280152739 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :phantom_hoover: that is correct. < 1280152757 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo: it can import C++, C, and Obj-C code, if that matters to you any < 1280152760 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madk, I still think it's a bad idea to write an esolang interpreter in a commercial language. < 1280152769 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why's that? < 1280152776 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION was referring to Python < 1280152789 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I see. < 1280152819 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's being written for programmers, so it seems rather bad form to make it impossible to toy with your interpreter without buying the language. < 1280152834 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1280152850 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can download the trial if they want to mess with it < 1280152859 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then hopefully they'll like it enough to buy it :P < 1280152873 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus, esolang programmers are going to have a high proportion using Linux or BSD or something weirder, so you'll need to supply tonnes of binaries. < 1280152981 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I digress. < 1280153033 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madk, what are the arbitrary-sized arrays like? < 1280153048 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :phantom_hoover: there are 3 options - < 1280153052 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :linked lists, < 1280153066 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maps (every object has a key to reference it by), < 1280153071 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and resizable arrays < 1280153075 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is all. < 1280153102 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the arrays are very fast, the linked lists are a tad slower, and maps are not a wise option for intensive data management < 1280153112 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they're still there, regardless < 1280153167 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Pretend that we wrote this echo server for an elementary school, and the PTA has requested that profanities be censored and unechoable. The parents of PTA also happen to be not very bright and have taken the euphemism “4-letter word” too literally. They have requested that we block all 4-letter words." < 1280153183 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whaaat? < 1280153193 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://snapframework.com/docs/tutorials/snap-api < 1280153205 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :**** makes absolutely no sense. < 1280153209 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :**** < 1280153211 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :th at < 1280153214 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_o < 1280153245 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madk, linked lists are pretty good for tapes. < 1280153257 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arrays are better < 1280153262 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo, at least < 1280153265 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :faster < 1280153283 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madk, true, but what happens when you start appending backwards. < 1280153295 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :things slow down a little < 1280153298 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1280153315 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meanwhile back and forward are the same for a linked-list tape. < 1280153434 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, what happens when a program accesses cell 100, flips it around a bit, then sets it back to 0? < 1280153472 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what you're trying to describe, but my system works fine :/ < 1280153498 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all my interpreters I've written with arbitrarily size tapes use it < 1280153515 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1280153523 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really need to finish my AGBIC entry .-. < 1280153535 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been putting it off for a week now < 1280153558 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AGBIC? < 1280153569 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIGSource A Game by its Cover < 1280153619 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://forums.tigsource.com/index.php?topic=13851.0 < 1280153817 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I have to sqeeze unit movement and handling and an AI opponent into a week < 1280153826 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gonna be fun, I say. < 1280153867 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you doing that in ThingyMAX? < 1280153960 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aye < 1280154134 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1280154293 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan! < 1280154345 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madk, for the 5D Brainfuck, please make the 4D movement commands 'i' and 'u'. < 1280154357 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... why? < 1280154427 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Culture reference. < 1280154444 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still trying to be radically new? in which case you better first consider Infinifuck < 1280154444 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought as much. To what? < 1280154454 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh? < 1280154465 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(infinite-dimensional brainfuck) < 1280154478 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right _now_ I'm trying to get some work done on my AGBIC entry < 1280154487 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't touched it in a week < 1280154497 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AGBIC? < 1280154498 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid esolangs had me distracted :P < 1280154502 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://forums.tigsource.com/index.php?topic=13851.0 < 1280154514 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TGISource A Game by its Cover competition < 1280154604 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION assumes without clicking that's a competition where you design only the cover of games < 1280154611 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you assume wrong. < 1280154643 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're making games based off fake cartridge.box art < 1280154650 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that . is meant to be a / < 1280154666 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hurrah for typos < 1280154682 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah so the cover is given < 1280154688 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw anyone OS X here knows if mplayer works on it? < 1280154696 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a mind of speaking < 1280154721 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*manner < 1280154916 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://forums.tigsource.com/index.php?topic=13851.0 <-- what console is that cartridge for? < 1280154937 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fake < 1280154967 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madk, yes but checking other ones they use similar cartridge shapes. So they have a collection of blank ones you can photoshop? < 1280155018 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://forums.tigsource.com/index.php?topic=13392.0 < 1280155032 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine and most are from Famicase 2008-2010 < 1280155039 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://famicase.com/08/index.html < 1280155043 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madk, Famicase? < 1280155106 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madk, wtf is a famicase? < 1280155118 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster: hold on a second < 1280155124 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madk: oh and paintfuck was all the rage for a short while, although that's only 2d < 1280155150 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it got reddited and stuff < 1280155156 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suggestion: trefunge extended to higher dimensions < 1280155159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :been done < 1280155166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :107 is max I heard of < 1280155176 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster: http://gamevideos.1up.com/video/id/17046 < 1280155177 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that < 1280155191 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madk, no flash on this thing. < 1280155197 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_o < 1280155209 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madk, on a Linux/UltraSPARC < 1280155217 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madk, also playing music, would prefer written desc < 1280155222 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :107? did they stop because they didn't have room for more than 214 distinct direction characters, or something like that? < 1280155227 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I'm streaming live music < 1280155242 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's where a bunch of japanese people who like retro games come together and make fake cartridge art for fake games < 1280155248 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, no clue < 1280155264 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madk, yes but where did they get the plastic cases < 1280155309 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beats me : < 1280155367 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madk, oh and even on my x86_64 at home and such I have no flash of course < 1280155373 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't trust closed source < 1280155380 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anmaster: w/e ._. < 1280155387 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure I'm stuck with my BIOS and various firmware < 1280155413 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and on one computer, nvidia drivers (need 3D, hope the noveau drivers get that soon!) < 1280155419 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1280155464 0 :CakeProphet!~adam@h16.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280155739 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Random, probably stupid idea: a CAS written in a proof assistant. < 1280155808 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1280155853 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Have you checked if your MB happens to be on coreboot's list nowadays? Slim chance, I know, but then you'd get rid of that BIOS. < 1280155931 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1280156026 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: And mplayer does run on OS X. (There's also a native simple GUI frontend, which is not so impressive, but the command-line side works like you'd expect.) < 1280156367 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what's an open-source BIOS good for? < 1280156401 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ignore that, actually, I have a better question. < 1280156418 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to the NASM manual, GAS can't properly write 16-bit code. < 1280156428 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this true? < 1280156620 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a .code16 directive, but it might be defective. < 1280156660 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can write 16-bit code, but I'm not sure about "properliness". < 1280156755 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me neither. < 1280156776 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does GAS actually have support for flat executables? < 1280156786 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/executables/binaries/ < 1280157066 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what the Greek in today's IWC means. < 1280157085 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it's just mock greek based on an abba song < 1280157097 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got that. < 1280157098 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually english with greek characters < 1280157103 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got that, too. < 1280157114 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's to wonder, then? < 1280157115 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wondered if someone else had done the work for me. < 1280157128 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only in my head, alas < 1280157194 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.lyricsfreak.com/a/abba/dancing+queen_20002554.html < 1280157196 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can objcopy gas-assembled objects into flat binaries, it doesn't need any more special support than that. Or ld with output-format binary. < 1280157202 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the chorus, naturally :D < 1280157220 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had that "DOS .com out of Linux gcc" mini-example here a while ago. < 1280157225 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Iu ar the dansing kuen, iung and suet, wnli seph(?)enten. < 1280157273 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dansing kuen, phel the bet phrom the tamboren, w iea. < 1280157331 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iu kan danz, iu kan iaiph. Aphing the taim oph ior laiph. Oooo. < 1280157372 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Se that gerl, uatch that sen, digin the dansing kuen." < 1280157386 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEST. IWC. PUN. EVER. < 1280157398 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what pun < 1280157502 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pun tang < 1280157505 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol lol lol. < 1280157525 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't get _that_, either < 1280157533 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't know what poontang is? < 1280157539 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the poonany? < 1280157546 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1280157546 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what poontang is. < 1280157557 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You Americans and your weird slang. < 1280157564 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not american < 1280157565 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: Have you checked if your MB happens to be on coreboot's list nowadays? Slim chance, I know, but then you'd get rid of that BIOS. <-- yes I checked, even if it was however, I wouldn't want to risk bricking my computer < 1280157581 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, oops, mistook you for CakeProphet. < 1280157584 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry. < 1280157594 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You Germans and your weird slang, then. < 1280157600 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i know < 1280157603 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's worse is you mistook me for an american < 1280157607 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm not german either < 1280157608 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1280157610 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets insulted < 1280157623 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, AAAA < 1280157624 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: That'd be one big brick. (Away for now.) < 1280157626 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, .de < 1280157626 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're neither american nor german, just creepy < 1280157633 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, so what are you? < 1280157650 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am a sentient cloud of plasma. < 1280157656 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, indeed. either mini-tower sized or thinkpad sized < 1280157658 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am beyond space or origin. < 1280157666 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I don't like the prospect of either < 1280157666 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, a sentient cloud of plasma where? < 1280157685 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could send you an incidence matrix < 1280157690 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sentient clouds of plasma have to be somewhere, you know. < 1280157692 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm not sure your hard drive is 50 petabytes big!!!\ < 1280157738 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, what is the average of the position of your particles with respect to Earth? < 1280157759 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're not german, why are you connected through a german isp < 1280157802 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, Mycenae was a tourist attraction for the *Romans*. < 1280157817 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's, like, *old*. < 1280157828 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to take up a form that makes it convenient and even possible for your species to understand my communication < 1280157842 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And this form is in Germany? < 1280157849 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/in // < 1280157859 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahahaha. < 1280157860 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well convenient maybe, not sure about the possible < 1280157871 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then, by definition, you are German. < 1280157876 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1280157897 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, or a tourist. Or emigrated < 1280157899 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, Germany isn't a cloud of plasma. < 1280157913 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not _yet_ anyway < 1280157919 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1280157919 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, he says he *is* Germany. You cannot get any more German than that. < 1280157961 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1280157962 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1280157967 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :missed that sed expression < 1280158983 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Later < 1280159252 0 :cpressey!~CPressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280159257 0 :relet!~thomas@c905DBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1280159263 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey! < 1280159284 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantoom_Hover! < 1280159791 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible that C++ really isn't as bad as I keep thinking it is? < 1280159830 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: No. Not possible. < 1280159855 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C+ isn't as bad as you think, maybe. But add the extra + on the end, and all bets are off. < 1280159867 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What language would one write, say, an IRC client in, or a web browser < 1280159871 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's XChat written in? < 1280159885 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there decent alternatives to C++ for that sort of thing? < 1280159893 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C. < 1280159931 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thought that C wasn't intended for applications < 1280159957 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LHC things are written in C D: < 1280159961 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ actually < 1280160119 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, it isn't. < 1280160125 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can still do it. < 1280160142 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gnome is written in C, isn't it> < 1280160168 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take it that most sane people writing applications in C use something like GLib? < 1280160308 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sane people don't write applications in C. < 1280160356 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do sane people write applications in? < 1280160357 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++? < 1280160364 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I don't think so. < 1280160377 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From this, I conclude that sane people don't write applications. < 1280160391 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I was gonna say :P < 1280160602 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, lots of insane people don't write applications. < 1280160609 0 :Arzgarb!~Ilkka@dyn70-374.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1280161012 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of Gnome is written in Vala nowadays. < 1280161022 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1280161064 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1280161358 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. < 1280161362 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vala just compiles to C < 1280161384 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So did C++, at the start. < 1280161393 0 :aliseiphone_!~ehirdipho@82.132.248.68 JOIN :#esoteric < 1280161408 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if Vala is sane for general application programming < 1280161418 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just for GNOMEish stuff < 1280161421 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : What's XChat written in? <-- C < 1280161421 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1280161422 0 :aliseiphone_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :aliseiphone < 1280161425 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is gnome after all < 1280161449 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1280161451 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gtk+ rather < 1280161454 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not gnome < 1280161463 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's Chrome written in? < 1280161467 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue < 1280161481 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, I recommend Haskell, C or erlang < 1280161506 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Some of Gnome is written in Vala nowadays. <-- I never heard of Vala < 1280161524 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XChat is more Gtk+ than Gnome; I don't think it uses very many Gnome-desktopy libs at all. < 1280161550 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1280161556 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And anyway, people target Gnome with C++ (gtkmm) and C# (Gtk#) somewhat often nowadays too. < 1280161557 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vala uses reference counting. I remember hearing something bad about reference counting? < 1280161574 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to wean myself off of C# < 1280161580 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not real garbage collection, that's I guess what's mostly bad in it. < 1280161584 0 :aliseiphone!~ehirdipho@82.132.139.79 JOIN :#esoteric < 1280161593 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I used GTK#. Buggy stuff < 1280161596 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl does mostly reference-counting too. < 1280161620 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ref counting works well as long as you have no cycles < 1280161623 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used Gtk# now and then, and it's certainly been improving a lot. < 1280161636 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, Mono is decent? < 1280161644 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you _do_ have cycles ref counting is messy < 1280161651 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The documentation's still very spotty, and the API glue is not quite all there. < 1280161656 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1280161669 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, sure with GTK# if you want GUI it is quite okay if you insist on C# < 1280161671 0 :aliseiphone!~ehirdipho@82.132.248.65 JOIN :#esoteric < 1280161676 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is IMO a shitty language < 1280161687 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Writing GUIs in a non-strict language seems a bit weird... < 1280161700 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, such as? < 1280161706 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell, say. < 1280161711 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1280161716 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strict in that sense < 1280161732 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mono's WinForms reimplementation is very non-decent, I hear. Gtk# is probably the best thing for GUI in Monoland. < 1280161746 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and MonoDevelop's a bit buggy. < 1280161761 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used kate with mono < 1280161764 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :works well < 1280161767 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :build system was make < 1280161770 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, what's wrong with C#? Not that I like it or anything; I just don't know what's wrong with it. < 1280161774 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vala: base call inside constructor < 1280161775 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1280161780 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://live.gnome.org/Vala/QuickIntroForCSharpProgrammers < 1280161791 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used Nant for building (it's very ant-inspired) and it works pretty well, but the Emacs C# mode is not so good. < 1280161805 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does SharpDevelop work with Mono? < 1280161823 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, saner naming conventions in vala < 1280161826 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more C-like < 1280161848 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION likes lower_and_underscore < 1280161881 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, Vala is starting to look really nice < 1280161891 0 :lonelyfetus!~Mike@ip32.olive-tree.phx.ygnition.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280161898 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, and afaik sharpdevelop uses lots of windows specific stuff < 1280161906 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like native code < 1280161939 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any reasons not to use Vala? < 1280161945 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea < 1280161948 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never heard of it before < 1280161950 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, hyphens are The True Way. < 1280161969 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://live.gnome.org/Vala < 1280161970 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, oh yes for languages that allow it I agree < 1280161970 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1280161977 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, like lisp variants < 1280161993 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But *only* Lisp variants, unfortunately... < 1280162013 0 :aliseiphone!~ehirdipho@82.132.248.68 JOIN :#esoteric < 1280162025 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Agda has Haskell-derived syntax and has huge freedom in names, but it's hardly used for much. < 1280162043 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, erlang could allow it < 1280162049 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you would need to quote everything < 1280162057 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'like-this' < 1280162060 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just stupid. < 1280162069 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, well function names are any valid atoms < 1280162084 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if it works in GAS or NASM. < 1280162085 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atoms are either [a-z][A-Za-z0-9_]+ < 1280162104 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or '.*' (with \' for embedding ' iirc) < 1280162145 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, so you could have 'This is a function with spaces' and the null function '' < 1280162146 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sane people write applications in GAS or NASM. < 1280162153 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, XD < 1280162173 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, sane people do cat > a.out. < 1280162179 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, wait. < 1280162179 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, btw this work for module names too in erlang < 1280162188 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, though I could never get the module '' to work < 1280162200 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ones with spaces worked fine < 1280162208 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sane people do cat > /dev/sda and write an OS that is their application. < 1280162217 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, fuck you, Vala < 1280162221 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, ? < 1280162232 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Broadly speaking there are two types of data in Vala: reference types and value types." < 1280162239 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, yes? < 1280162243 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, that's like C < 1280162251 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pointers and data < 1280162268 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION blinks < 1280162277 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION was thinking more in terms of C# nightmarishness < 1280162283 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(function pointers being kind of their own weird sort of pointers) < 1280162302 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in C that is) < 1280162303 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's not like C; C doesn't hide the pointeriness. Well, unless you manually hide it inside a typedef, but still. < 1280162320 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, what's C# like? < 1280162337 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, what's wrong with C# in the first place? < 1280162369 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, in relation to reference vs. value, it's a weird division < 1280162374 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EMCA. Microsoft < 1280162389 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some types (types that are derived from System.Value) are value. The rest are reference < 1280162405 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And System.Value and derived seem.. a bit magical < 1280162432 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice vala has lambdas < 1280162464 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear god, Facebook has a "Visual Basic sucks" group. < 1280162491 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, can you derive your own from System.Value. One that isn't an enum I mean < 1280162507 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I agree that VB sucks < 1280162515 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can write structs in C#; those are value types. < 1280162521 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1280162525 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, I don't know if you can do it directly, but "struct" in C# just means derived from System.Value < 1280162534 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's System.ValueType, not System.Value. < 1280162537 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1280162540 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1280162540 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, what about a new integer? < 1280162549 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure < 1280162558 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :new 256-bit floating point? < 1280162578 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "int" is just a type alias for System.Int, which inherits from System.ValueType. < 1280162587 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, System.Int32. < 1280162624 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All languages suck. < 1280162625 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yes < 1280162628 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but those are magic afaik < 1280162640 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're not *very* magic, just a bit magic. < 1280162647 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, still magic < 1280162651 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEY'RE LIKE SUPER-MAGIC < 1280162664 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly there's constant-value propagation in the compiler, and literals, that you won't get in your 256-bit float. < 1280162691 0 :lonelyfetus!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1280162707 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm < 1280162720 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and you can only have "const" fields of built-in integers. < 1280162764 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and mine would be reference type I bet < 1280162793 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm? Well, if you mean you would make it a reference type, then yes. < 1280162799 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you want a value type, you can have one. < 1280162805 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, really? < 1280162806 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how? < 1280162809 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a struct? < 1280162811 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By making a struct, yes. < 1280162815 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1280162832 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dislike magic < 1280162833 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1280162833 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it's passed by value, and local variables of it contain the value, and so on. < 1280162837 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which languages has no magic? < 1280162847 0 :choochter!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: lang may yer lum reek.. < 1280162848 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-trivial that is < 1280162849 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Define it < 1280162852 0 :aliseiphone!~ehirdipho@82.132.139.26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1280162860 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, good question < 1280162864 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1280162866 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go for simplicity, and most of the magic seems to disappear. < 1280162872 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asm? < 1280162875 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps < 1280162882 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh I know, hardware < 1280162886 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps, though assembler pseudo-ops are a bit magicky. < 1280162896 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, true < 1280162905 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things that expand to more than one opcode, I mean. < 1280162917 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I'll take a VLSI design tool :) < 1280162934 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Vala performs a basic nullability check on the method parameters and return values. " < 1280162935 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, no magic there. < 1280162936 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooooooh < 1280162937 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's not much magic in BrainFuck, at least according to my unexplicable definition. < 1280162940 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like this language < 1280162967 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps, though assembler pseudo-ops are a bit magicky. Things that expand to more than one opcode, I mean. <-- so more like macros? < 1280162980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :macros are not very magic at all < 1280163000 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but they're macros that you didn't define anywhere. < 1280163003 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, magical. < 1280163016 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, try this: echo | gcc -dM -E - < 1280163023 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should give you some built in defines < 1280163025 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of gcc < 1280163053 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only constant defines, none with parameters afaik < 1280163054 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things like MIPS's 32-bit load immediate, which expands to two instructions, since there are no 32-bit immediates in there. < 1280163072 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so they are declared in a built in header < 1280163108 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, because you can't undef them with the macro-definition tools. < 1280163116 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay that is magic < 1280163124 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Disclaimer: perhaps you could, in some assemblers. I don't think I've ever tried.) < 1280163144 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TASM would do short-jump optimization and such. Somewhat magical perhaps. < 1280163166 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NASM does that if you ask, but it's so useful I can't be angry at the magick. < 1280163198 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially since it doesn't do it by default, on the assumption that you'd like to know exactly how wide instructions you get. < 1280163205 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1280163206 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd rather ask. I don't know if you could turn it off with TASM, it was sometimes annoying. Actually I think that was one of the motivations for the design for it in NASM < 1280163219 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, yes. < 1280163220 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes. < 1280163234 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1280163244 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to prefer gas however < 1280163249 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the primary design goals was to make it possible to tell what opcode would be generated just by looking an a single source line. < 1280163251 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :saner asm syntax < 1280163256 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Saner", bah. < 1280163261 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, really? < 1280163271 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you don't like AT&T syntax? < 1280163276 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%s and $s and the like? < 1280163282 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, indeed < 1280163284 0 :Arzgarb!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1280163288 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, why? < 1280163305 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I find intel syntax pretty much unreadable < 1280163307 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Percent signs and dollar signs in programming languages just scream sanity to me. < 1280163309 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: There's nothing saner in -4(%ebp, %edx, 4) compared to [ebp + 4*edx - 4]. < 1280163313 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vala supports RAII < 1280163317 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is squeeing < 1280163338 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, why? < 1280163345 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, don't know < 1280163348 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mov eax, 3 < 1280163354 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's unreadable about that? < 1280163359 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well neither is sane. < 1280163373 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, because you meant mov 3,%eax really < 1280163377 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, what about AT&T's insane addressing syntax? < 1280163380 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you messed up the order of the parameters < 1280163388 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone should use Vala! < 1280163390 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes insane < 1280163395 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I admit that is somewhat worse perhaps. But still not very bad. < 1280163410 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mov [rax+4*rbx-8], 3 < 1280163412 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I drew this. http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/2206/spaceman.png < 1280163419 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Like you should use "42 = b" to put value 42 into variable b? < 1280163420 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, see you put the target first < 1280163430 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's so crazy about that? < 1280163430 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I felt like making something that would remind me of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G7h0fegS-w&feature=related :P < 1280163449 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, no like I use "move x to y" or "Ans→X" on my TI-83+ < 1280163452 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compared to mov $3, -8(%rax,8,%rbx)? < 1280163475 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You got that wrong; the scale value is last, not second. < 1280163486 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, that is insane because it is incorrect < 1280163489 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It's obvious, you see! < 1280163494 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, indeed < 1280163496 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, see? < 1280163500 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, no < 1280163510 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm not putting up with this trolling any more < 1280163513 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got other stuff to do < 1280163515 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trolling? < 1280163530 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1280163554 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really, there's no reason why "target, source" would be any better than "source, target" (it's just a convention); and when it comes to addressing, [rax+4*rbx-8] is obviously better than -8(%rax, %rbx, 4), just because the first one uses the very same arithmetics used in everywhere else. < 1280163582 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, thanks. < 1280163613 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But which assembler would Buddha use? That's the question we really need to be asking. < 1280163623 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, besides you forgot %rip. Do that as RIP-relative < 1280163654 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there is a rip-relative form of *that*; there's just rip+displacement. < 1280163660 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1280163678 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how it's written in gas, either. "disp(%rip)"? < 1280163748 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not, since you'd like to point at a particular symbol, not try to calculate the actual displacement yourself. < 1280163766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, pretty sure yes < 1280163782 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay: you write it as "symb at rip(%rip)". < 1280163797 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1280163800 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :symbol(%rip) < 1280163801 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik < 1280163812 0 :aliseiphone!~ehirdipho@82.132.139.26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1280163818 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it is symb at rip(%rip) < 1280163830 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that just adds symbol to %rip. At least according to some very old mailing list messages. < 1280163847 0 :Gregor-P!~AndChat@174-145-76-121.pools.spcsdns.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280163848 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! @item AT&T: @samp{symbol(%rip)}, Intel: @samp{[symbol + 1234]} < 1280163848 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! Points to the @code{symbol} in RIP relative way, this is shorter than < 1280163848 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! the default absolute addressing. < 1280163848 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! @end table < 1280163849 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But this was when the syntax was being debated, so maybe they stabilized to something else. < 1280163852 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, diff from docs < 1280163863 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :found by google < 1280163876 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the intel sample is wrong < 1280163905 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing that strikes me is that gas was never intended to be human-writable. < 1280163912 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, so how *do* you write "symbol(%rip)" if you mean what it means when compared to everything else, e.g. "value of symbol + %rip"? < 1280163919 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not originally intended, I mean. Just as a backend for compilers. < 1280163930 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, no idea < 1280163949 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, yes and inline asm is how I use it most often < 1280163968 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inline assembly -- now THAT is magic ;) < 1280163978 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, agreed < 1280163996 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, binutils does MMIX already? Heh. < 1280164020 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, the only non-inline asm I written was an implementation of crt0.o < 1280164034 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that was h8300 asm < 1280164040 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1280164046 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I coded in PIC12F* asm too < 1280164059 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't remember any about that syntax < 1280164201 0 :Wamanuz!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1280164219 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, another AT&T dislike: if you want to say "mov eax, [foo+4*eax]" (addressing an array with 4-byte elements, say) you need to do "movl foo(,%eax,4), %eax" -- and that empty field in "(,x)" looks really silly. < 1280164226 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it's not like you couldn't use Intel syntax with Gas. < 1280164260 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, why would you want to use that messy intel syntax!? < 1280164273 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's better? < 1280164283 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1280164315 0 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1280164346 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and *yet* another AT&T dislike: if you want a simple "mov eax, [foo]", you have to write it as "movl foo(,1), %eax" -- and that (,1) is even sillier. Quoth the manual: "Note that base and index are both missing, but there is only one `,'. This is a syntactic exception." And we all know exceptions are for bad. < 1280164364 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" and that given a class and a subclass, a generic refined by the subclass can be used as a generic refined by the class." < 1280164366 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAD VALA < 1280164377 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want that unless I say I want that! < 1280164423 0 :Wamanuz!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1280164429 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intel syntax is very clean and readable. AT&T syntax is AGONY ITSELF < 1280164442 0 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1280164474 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: IIRC Java does that too, and I'm not sure why, but ISTR some theoretical problem with not doing it ("it's hard") < 1280164511 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, so covariance is the default in Java? < 1280164523 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or am I misunderstanding covariance or what they're saying here? < 1280164526 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I *think* so but I might be hallucinating. < 1280164534 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, why do you think Intel syntax is messy, though? < 1280164554 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Switching gears: why is it that http://esolangs.org/wiki/ redirects visibly to http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Main_Page while starting from http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page you can use the Wiki just well with that arguably nicer URL? < 1280164582 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, mostly parameter order and stuff like 80h < 1280164590 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :h for hex? < 1280164593 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is that joke < 1280164612 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also re assemblers, the great majority of the paucity and goriness of their syntaxes comes from the fact that the first ones had to be hand-coded in machine language. < 1280164613 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can write 0x80 if you want. < 1280164613 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, contact graue? < 1280164792 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1280164794 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1280164811 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, what's wrong with 80h in the first place? < 1280164831 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FWIW, I mostly write 0x80 in NASM, except that the argument for "int" I tend to accidentally write "XXh", for hysterical raisins. < 1280164902 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every environment seems to have its own way of denoting numbers, anyway. Z80 assemblers (and many others like that) use $f00 as a hex prefix, and #01101 for binary-number prefix. < 1280164958 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, UGLY < 1280164973 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, if you don't like it, don't use it. < 1280164975 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd guess gas likes "0xf00" primarily due to it's Unix, and therefore C, and therefore 0x-prefix background. < 1280165004 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, indeed < 1280165047 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of them understand multiple forms now. Though I'm not sure if gas in intel-syntax mode accepts XXh. Maybe it does. < 1280165052 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1280165197 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Oh, and re gas + 16-bit: there's a rather funky ".code16gcc" directive, which can take a gcc-generated .s file (GCC itself being unable to generate 16-bit x86) and convert the contents so that you can stick that code into a 16-bit segment and it will run properly. (It's done by adding opcode and operand prefixes as necessary, so it still won't run on a pre-386, but at least it runs in a 16-bit segment.) < 1280165274 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, but 16-bit is mostly useless except for boot loader code < 1280165283 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and early early kernel < 1280165299 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I expect going into 32-bit or 64-bit to be the first thing a kernel does < 1280165312 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's close to being the first thing, though it moves stuff around first. < 1280165342 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay that could be < 1280165348 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe prints "loading..." or such too < 1280165366 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On an EFI system, it's in 32-bit mode all the time, though. < 1280165377 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1280165389 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It still annoys me that even x86-64 processors need to start in 16-bit real mode. < 1280165395 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, agreed < 1280165473 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and a coreboot system runs in 32-bit mode very early too. :p < 1280165497 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Here's that DOS .com thing I briefly mentioned; it does .code16gcc: http://pastebin.com/eChGDKDy < 1280165595 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1280165635 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, how does the processor control the hard drive once the BIOS is gone?? < 1280165638 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/??/? < 1280165644 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1280165659 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gone where? < 1280165660 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It talks directly to the IDE controller. < 1280165673 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using in and out? < 1280165682 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the BIOS doesn't "go" anywhere. < 1280165694 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It ceases to be functional when you're in 32-bit mode. < 1280165827 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is what I meant by "gone". < 1280165895 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1280166190 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the heck about that .code16gcc example? It appears to use data segment 0 with Axxxx addresses in rmode? < 1280166209 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: If you were here when I talked about it, I did mention it shouldn't work, but works in dosbox. < 1280166218 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect dosbox isn't very careful about segment limits. < 1280166256 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can fix it pretty easily by initializing ds to 0xa000 up there and using offsets in [0, 320*200) if you like. < 1280166824 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just lost the game. < 1280166860 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I promise never to do that again. < 1280167054 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1280167094 0 :oklopol!~oklopol@dsl-trebrasgw1-fe86f900-163.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1280167177 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if Vala would make a good first language. < 1280167277 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What makes a good first language, though? < 1280167296 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you want everything abstracted away, so it's easy, or do you want to start low and work up? < 1280167335 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, GObject is C, isn't it? < 1280167342 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madness! < 1280167425 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other news, I've been drafting a little language. Now, it's very work-in-progress, and might not ever actually be anything more, but I put some preliminary specs -- boring -- and three example snippets (incl. the ubiquitous cat) -- hopefully a tiny bit less boring -- into my user page at http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Fizzie < 1280167452 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Vala is GObject without the PAIN and AGONY of GObject. < 1280167473 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't experienced the pain of GObject. < 1280167486 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I avoid GUIs like the plague. < 1280167487 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just the MADNESS of it? < 1280167497 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GObject and Glib are not gui-specific. < 1280167499 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:GObject_example.png < 1280167525 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've written some non-GUI C that does glib; it's a reasonably sensible way of getting containers and such in. < 1280167534 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some values of "reasonable", anyway. < 1280167539 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, Glib is a painful API. < 1280167543 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Possibly rather small ones.) < 1280167554 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Primarily because it's freaking *object-oriented C*. < 1280167558 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's certainly not *pleasant*. < 1280168114 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence Vala < 1280168153 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And/or an awesomely complex set of terrifying M4 macros. < 1280168173 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :M4! < 1280168185 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vala is impressive in that it makes me not vomit at the thought of using GTK in a program. < 1280168206 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you use KDE? < 1280168219 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1280168482 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XFCE? < 1280168485 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you use... pure XCB?! (Xlib's so last millennium.) < 1280168529 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: No. < 1280168535 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: No. < 1280168569 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CDE? < 1280168576 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1280168591 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LXDE < 1280168592 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1280168630 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XPDM? < 1280168645 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: No. < 1280168647 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-P: No. < 1280168660 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm having hard time thinking up more ridiculous suggestions. Win16? < 1280168665 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(<3 XFCE, btw) < 1280168677 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EDE, Étoile, Mezzo, ROX, UDE? < 1280168709 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, no, no, no, no, and (on Win16) HEEELLL NAW < 1280168710 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Raw Enlightenment, xmonad, for the love of god, surely not TWM? < 1280168722 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, no, no. < 1280168737 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reviews < 1280168742 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, is it GNOME? < 1280168749 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't XFCE basically Gtk, anyway? As far as GUI toolkits go, at least. < 1280168755 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOO... < 1280168778 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It uses Gtk, but it's written by people who aren't pro-bloat anti-feature maniacs. < 1280168783 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you don't bother with one of those decadent, capitalist GUI things. < 1280168792 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, pro-bloat anti-feature) < 1280168794 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: No. < 1280168822 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A clue, then? < 1280168833 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XUL?-) < 1280168868 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And what does the winner get?) < 1280168871 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Box < 1280168876 0 :cpressey!~CPressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280168877 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: No. < 1280168882 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Also, AGONY ITSELF < 1280168888 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MWAHAHAHAH < 1280168907 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FluxBox? < 1280168912 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know only the Flux, Open and Black boxes. < 1280168971 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, one of fizzie's? < 1280169024 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Fluxbox! < 1280169031 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You win AGONY! < 1280169047 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wooh..wait... < 1280169047 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Congratulations on your new-won AGONY. < 1280169151 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AgonyWM < 1280169167 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also known as CDE < 1280169262 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1280169286 0 :jix!~jix@tomakin.h-ix.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280169407 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JIX < 1280169414 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG < 1280169498 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1280170100 0 :Leonidas!~Leonidas@unaffiliated/leonidas JOIN :#esoteric < 1280170122 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1280170612 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1280170668 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1280170728 0 :CakeProphet!~adam@h217.16.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280170742 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1280170833 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: A rather action-filled one this time: "About NetHack: ! it's done with his intestines hanging out in steaming loops. instead he roared laughter, hands on a scare monster scroll..." < 1280171346 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl29-2-0-cust326.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1280172728 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-P: yeah? < 1280172761 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi jix < 1280172764 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :been a while... < 1280172766 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: How farest thou? < 1280172776 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix: Nothing, you just haven't been in #esoteric in forever :P < 1280172822 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't? < 1280172934 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a bug then < 1280173302 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I refer of course to an imperial forever, which is finite, not a metric forever. < 1280173337 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1280173367 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-P, what type of infinity is metric forever? < 1280173397 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover : it is defined as infinity seconds. < 1280173409 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :While the imperial forever is an infinity of forthnights < 1280173428 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unsigned, positive or negative infinity? < 1280173471 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1280173471 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1280173471 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1280173474 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :positive. < 1280173554 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1280173701 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-106-123-171.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280173964 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1280174011 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-236-245.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1280174016 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1280174040 0 :atrapado!~roper@46.188.116.91.dynamic.mundo-r.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1280174051 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1280174559 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1280174619 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1280176082 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-106-123-171.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280176118 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... How to create wikipages? Just navigate to nonexistent page and tell it to create it? < 1280176141 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep < 1280176158 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Type in the name, there will be a "create that page" link < 1280176161 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1280176163 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just click on edit < 1280176216 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1280176244 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1280176257 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1280176309 0 :CakeProphet!~adam@h144.35.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280176354 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1280176425 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1280176584 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want, you can also just create a link to a nonexistent page, then follow the redlink there, but that way there'll be a broken link visible for a while, which is perhaps ugly. < 1280177124 0 :lulinha!~dummy@189.115.10.86 JOIN :#esoteric < 1280177124 0 :lulinha!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1280178020 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1280178540 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would it have Fumito Ueda's credit card numbers on it or something? < 1280178623 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1280179097 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1280179269 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1280179286 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1280179468 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: I am quite sure that I do not code better when drinking. < 1280179652 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1280179659 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would indeed seem strange. < 1280179715 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, he's only made one post today. < 1280179723 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that was just ":o". < 1280179753 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, he raised the question last week sometime. < 1280179780 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So have you only just gotten around to drinking and trying to code? < 1280179813 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes, on the weekend. I mean, I'm sure I have before, but that was years ago, so I wanted some recent data. < 1280179834 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hardly rigorous. < 1280179982 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fitting, since this is hardly science. < 1280180626 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1280180679 0 :atrapado!~roper@46.188.116.91.dynamic.mundo-r.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1280181149 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, as for whether the activity of coding is more *interesting* while under the influence... well what isn't. < 1280181342 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1280181667 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1280181676 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1280182408 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1280182423 0 :atrapado!~roper@46.188.116.91.dynamic.mundo-r.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1280182657 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: hahaha. yeah. I can't say I've ever tried. < 1280183022 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1280183054 0 :CakeProphet!~adam@h75.9.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280183199 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1280183443 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1280183741 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1280183874 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1280184076 0 :CakeProphet!~adam@h81.42.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280184461 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MonoDevelop for Windows apparently doesn't have Vala support :/ < 1280184503 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1280184545 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerj...ah, I can't be bothered. < 1280184570 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apathetics anonymous < 1280184577 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would you even use MonoDevelop -- a not-so-hot IDE -- for something so non-Mono as Vala? < 1280184610 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's wrong with MonoDevelop? < 1280184619 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, other Vala IDEs... eh < 1280184650 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ValaIDE has no autocompletion or similar, and the other options are text editor stuff, or a barely supported Eclipse thingy < 1280184677 0 :Behold!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1280184688 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bugs, for one thing. The Stetic gets often in a "needs a MonoDevelop restart" confused state where it e.g. can't show properties of anything. Okay, so Stetic problems aren't perhaps an issue for Valailing. < 1280184689 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1280184695 0 :Behold!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :BeholdMyGlory < 1280184750 0 :SevenInchBread!~adam@h176.46.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280184777 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1280184780 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :CakeProphet < 1280184801 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh IDEs. < 1280184811 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The autocompletion also seems very annoying to me. If I write "else" after an "if { ... }" block, it has an auto-complete "Template for 'else'" visible, and then if I try to press enter (so that I'd get "else\n", in preparation for a { on the next line) the enter just dismisses the autocomplete and leaves the cursor on the wrong line. < 1280184874 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And sometimes (if it hasn't grok'd the preceding code, or things aren't built, or something) it autocompletes something completely ridiculous; like I have a local variable called "a", and I write "a" and space, and it auto-autocompletes in "AddNotification". < 1280184902 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant for things like members of .. oh, you're referring to MonoDevelop's autocomplete in particular? < 1280184908 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1280184920 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VS sometimes does that if I'm doing something wrong syntactically < 1280184928 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like forgetting to give a member a name < 1280184964 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly I should just configure the autocomplete to activate only when I specifically ask for it, but then I'd probably never remember to use it. < 1280184980 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the "GNU/Emacs" keybinding scheme leaves a lot to be desired. :p < 1280185012 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'd really rather just stay in Emacs, but csharp-mode.el is completely refusing to work with Ubuntu's emacs-snapshot + whatever extra cruft I have collected myself.) < 1280185026 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just bind "pound-violently-on-keyboard" to "do-what-I-mean" < 1280185052 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Get Colloquy for iPhone! http://mobile.colloquy.info < 1280185060 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, oh, and MonoDevelop's version control plugin only supports Subversion, not Git or anything. (Actually, maybe I should get working on that; they do mention Git support as a major TODO item there.) < 1280185104 0 :aliseiphone!~ehirdipho@82.132.139.26 JOIN :#esoteric < 1280185110 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last time I used Eclipse (a while ago) I seem to recall I was equally annoyed at the autocomplete, so my experiences won't perhaps really translate over. < 1280185148 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even fizzie is coding C# now? < 1280185153 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1280185189 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: Not *seriously*, just, you know, experimenting with things. Many young people do that, there's nothing wrong with me! Stop judging me! You don't understand! < 1280185203 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Blurring is reversible. Delete. < 1280185213 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: *snorts coke* < 1280185246 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do we hate C#? < 1280185251 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eeeew. < 1280185255 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to know! < 1280185262 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know nothing about it! < 1280185269 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't hate C# < 1280185276 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, not interested! < 1280185284 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: hey carbonated beverages in your nose _hurts_ < 1280185285 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deja vu < 1280185291 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Don't you like C++, though? < 1280185294 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would not recommend it < 1280185313 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: fizzie: those plots of land are "allotments". < 1280185331 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: "like" is not the verb I'd choose < 1280185340 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Eeeew C# or coke? :P < 1280185350 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I know < 1280185362 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: C# < 1280185366 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: once I had cola laughing out my nose < 1280185375 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it BUURNS < 1280185393 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: so that's how you became a traumatized child. got it. < 1280185424 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: "Mom... Dad... I use C#. (and heroin)" "C#?! Oh my fucking god! *sobs*" < 1280185438 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no that's just how I got my superpowers < 1280185445 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1280185457 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my brother was mauled by bears in a cave when I was 3 < 1280185462 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's the trauma < 1280185468 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :figures. < 1280185507 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone, what are your thoughts on Vala? < 1280185512 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Bears in the gay sense. And his brother was 19. And a willing participant) < 1280185516 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: Blurring is reversible. Delete. < 1280185518 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :context? < 1280185552 0 :CakeProphet!~adam@h235.39.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280185635 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night → < 1280185654 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Night AnMaster < 1280185755 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Faces. < 1280185780 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a good medic. < 1280185789 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-P: Just tell yourself that while you masturbate to my poor brother. < 1280185808 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1280185816 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, I do. < 1280185820 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If Madk ever, ever calls piracy "stealing" again — < 1280185828 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bears will maul again. < 1280185844 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweet. Post pics. < 1280185851 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to imagine a situation in which piracy actually is theft < 1280185862 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see any reason why the two are necessarily mutually exclusive, although it's hard to contrive a situation < 1280185864 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd also say "or advocates commercial software" but, you know, start gently. < 1280185869 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: When you replace all instances of "copy" with "move". < 1280185873 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow. < 1280185876 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: How about actual piracy :P < 1280185877 0 :SevenInchBread!~adam@h76.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280185882 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn. I'm still a zealot, just one of a different ideology. < 1280185886 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well! < 1280185887 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copyright infringement is nonetheless illegal, but for different reasons for theft being illegal < 1280185893 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1280185904 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-P: I thought of that already < 1280185909 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You say it like things have to be illegal for a reason. < 1280185909 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I mean, in the colloquial sense < 1280185916 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which isn't true. < 1280185922 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: generally, there has to be at least half a reason < 1280185933 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MPs or Congressmen don't stay brainwashed /all/ the time < 1280185942 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, but the reason can easily be that Congressmen are idiots. < 1280185947 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: One eighth of a reason. Let's say. < 1280185953 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I'll buy that < 1280185955 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, for instance, how programming is illegal. < 1280185966 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: are you referring to software patents? < 1280185971 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1280185973 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1280185991 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being a mindreader is such fun. < 1280186008 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such a pity that In re Proudler isn't precedent-setting < 1280186013 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pokes aliseiphone  < 1280186020 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There might also be someone's reason; like "don't want to lose our money-making business so let's lobby all this stuff is criminal". < 1280186024 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Vala. — < 1280186038 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such a pity that it's only illegal, and not criminal, to program. < 1280186046 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should be a felony or something. Much more interesting. < 1280186064 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I imagine most people don't even realise there's a difference between those two words < 1280186072 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has, coincidentally, *ceased* to be a crime to watch DVDs on Linux. < 1280186079 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone, yes, if you've played with it, any thoughts? < 1280186092 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it never was in the first place, but there's only just been precedent about it < 1280186114 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It's C#-ish — not so good; but it is mostly tasteful. Makes GObject sane, wow. Nothing astonishing. But good, good. Please, look at Genie; an alternative "syntax/language" for Vala like Python without the crap. < 1280186117 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you talking about the recent ruling that anti-circumvention measures that only prevent use and not copying aren't protected by the DMCA? < 1280186118 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The law made circumvention devices entirely illegal. < 1280186140 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: well, the law was about anti-copying circumvention devices < 1280186142 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recommend Vala or Genie to anyone who wants to make a GTK+ program, or whatever. < 1280186144 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and DeCSS doesn't stop copying at all < 1280186167 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just to a byte-for-byte, or even pit-for-pit, copy and it'll work fine < 1280186170 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one that said that circumvention of DRM that is not being used to copy is not protected by the DMCA. < 1280186178 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any good Vala IDEs for Windows? ValaIDE doesn't really seem to be all that nice, and MonoDevelop on Windows supposedly doesn't support Vala < 1280186178 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1280186184 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1280186184 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's been *two* landmark cases regarding that law today. < 1280186185 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: pit? < 1280186201 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: the individual unit of data-carrying on CDs and DVDs < 1280186202 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Emacs. Don't complain. Just use it. < 1280186207 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't it recently that they (in the states) almost made not abiding to website's terms of service a felony (through the computer fraud and abuse and whatever "hacking" laws)? I seem to have read some EFF victory-of-sanity in a higher court on this. < 1280186211 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah it sucks. So does everything. < 1280186214 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone, does it have an Intellisense-like feature? < 1280186217 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not quite the same as bits, because you can't have two 1s in a row the way they work physically < 1280186217 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes. < 1280186225 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's a small level of encoding to translate sets of pits into bytes < 1280186250 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone doesn't know everything? < 1280186250 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Probably somewhere. But don't use it! GTK and GLib names are quite short. Make yours too. < 1280186257 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :US legislators seem to feel that computers are magic devices with completely and utterly different standards of sanity. < 1280186272 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1280186275 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: No! I was just asking ais523 for the benefit of everyone else. < 1280186277 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1280186280 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, I think you have to have a 1 every now and then in order to stop the laser getting confused as to where on the disk it was) < 1280186284 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think, besides non-workiness, the lack of Intellisense-like thing is my only complaint about ValaIDE < 1280186300 0 :Gregor-W!836b416f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.131.107.65.111 JOIN :#esoteric < 1280186303 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's ugly, but that doesn't count as a complaint. < 1280186311 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: hey, aliseiphone isn't a qualified electronic engineer < 1280186314 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Computers mean that IT MAKES SENSE TO MAKE IT A CRIME TO MODIFY ANYTHING. ALSO, MONOPOLIES HELP COMPETITION! DIGITAL IS MAGIC!" < 1280186337 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/tmp/teddynom.gif This is my response. < 1280186337 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Stop becoming dependent on Intellisense. It's a code smell; a symptom. < 1280186353 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's OK for me to know something he/she doesn't if it's my (ex-)job to know < 1280186353 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows libraries make it necessary with verbosity. < 1280186361 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GLib/GTK don't! < 1280186363 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: Intellisense is a symptom of the language, not the IDE < 1280186367 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the libraries < 1280186373 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I know. < 1280186378 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I said. < 1280186380 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't like to program in Java without an intellisense equivalent < 1280186386 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: IRC messages crossing < 1280186386 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's convenient not having to look stuff up < 1280186390 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't like to program in Java. < 1280186394 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm saying Vala doesn't need it. < 1280186400 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ?? < 1280186410 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for Perl, I make do with M-x perldoc < 1280186414 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You use methods based on name? < 1280186419 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some langs, like Underload, I can do without documentation at all < 1280186427 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without checking how they work fully? < 1280186434 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow... < 1280186439 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone, what if I fully know how it works, but the name escapes me offhand < 1280186455 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1280186465 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: I generally use NetBeans autocomplete to get a list of plausible names, and then load the javadoc < 1280186468 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Then quickly google it. You gotta anyway to research algorithms and stuff. < 1280186490 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but actually, its main use is that method names are /so long/ < 1280186496 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ability to "tab-complete" them is massively useful < 1280186497 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: I'm using NO SCRIPT WHATSOEVER - Download it at file:///dev/null < 1280186499 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, google is (sad or no) the only means I use to find out the method or function I want. < 1280186516 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do most of my programming when I'm not online < 1280186518 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: In fact since glib gtk classes tend to be quite small and docs are good < 1280186518 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, in Microsoftland, they like to give obscenely long names to everything. Intellisense just saves you hours of typing. < 1280186525 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I have a (legal, I even read the license!) offline copy of the Java documentation < 1280186526 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just google the class name < 1280186536 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone, I'm thinking about making a .vapi for the AW SDK < 1280186571 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: heh, even when I'm online I don't use a search engine, but rather the list of all classes in the API documentation < 1280186572 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Anything but that...! < 1280186578 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what's up with my huge distrust of search engines < 1280186598 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it's knowing how they work < 1280186602 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: google is like ctrl+f except it knows what site I want < 1280186605 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's great! < 1280186608 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RÊ€RÊ€R! < 1280186613 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For Mono-stuff I've been using monodoc-browser for docs; it's funny because it has "edit" buttons on every page, plus a "upload contributions" tool to send out your edits. < 1280186618 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :near useless for actually searching though < 1280186635 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost like a wiki, except not at all! < 1280186639 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :offline wiki < 1280186652 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC the published-book subset of Wikipedia comes with a postcard you can use to mail in edits < 1280186656 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if anyone uses it < 1280186664 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1280186665 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have I mentioned recently that Hackiki is the greatest idea in wiki software since the invention of the wiki itself? < 1280186671 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel I have been negligent in mentioning this fact. < 1280186680 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be if those contributions would get automatically accepted. I think there's some sort of review thing. < 1280186682 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: Gay bear wikis. Duuude < 1280186695 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I just totally outclass your idea or WHAT < 1280186707 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(WHAT is not an option) < 1280186710 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhhhh, you just described a wiki's content, not its software :P < 1280186715 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1280186719 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't. < 1280186719 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sads < 1280186722 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could easily make a gay bear wiki with Hackiki :P < 1280186724 0 :CakeProphet!~adam@h200.2.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280186726 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the amazing thing. < 1280186735 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking about the software. < 1280186747 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: :( < 1280186763 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I disrespectfully disagree :P < 1280186914 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone, should I make a Lua thing for the AW SDK, or a .vapi for the AW SDK? < 1280187032 0 :SevenInchBread!~adam@h44.20.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280187045 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1280187050 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :CakeProphet < 1280187115 0 :relet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who was it mentioning nomic the other day? was it here? < 1280187120 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite possibly < 1280187124 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are several nomic players here < 1280187134 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so conversation can drift to that topic from time to time < 1280187143 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nomic was mentioned in #nethack recently < 1280187144 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the correct channel for nomic discussion is ##nomic, although it's often inactive < 1280187149 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: that was me by mistake < 1280187157 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got the wrong channel with a name starting with n < 1280187159 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but it was still mentioned =P < 1280187163 0 :relet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. I'll have to wander over there some time. < 1280187163 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when trying to explain how to get the op list for a channel < 1280187173 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION remembers < 1280187175 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm normally willing to chat there even when nobody else is < 1280187187 0 :relet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone mentioned implementing nomic in his esolang-in-development < 1280187452 0 :relet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering if I could get some of the subset of nomic players that also love the code in a game of programmer's nomic < 1280187465 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1280187467 0 :relet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or some ideas on http://localhost:8080/cgi/fossil/index < 1280187490 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't happen to be running a server on localhost. < 1280187496 0 :relet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1280187515 0 :relet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nomjyc.ath.cx:8080/cgi/fossil/index < 1280187529 0 :relet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry about that. < 1280187711 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: ok this may be a mean thing to mention, but you used exactly _one_ indefinite article in your wiki article, and you got the a/an distinction wrong XD < 1280187730 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is adding more as he speaks < 1280187740 0 :ivancastillo75!~ivancasti@201-130-209-75-cable.cybercable.net.mx JOIN :#esoteric < 1280187780 0 :ivancastillo75!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Escriba el texto aquí....So how many real initiates are on line? < 1280187792 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh. < 1280187794 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, three. < 1280187813 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1280187815 0 :ivancastillo75!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whats the topic at this point? < 1280187819 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I don't think the AW SDK works with GCC on Windows < 1280187823 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteric programming languages! < 1280187824 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it always is < 1280187825 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ivancastillo75: Haha < 1280187833 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ivancastillo75: Sacrifice a goat < 1280187839 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Hush you! < 1280187840 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: you're not helping... < 1280187845 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jeez. The idiots we get! < 1280187848 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you know the topic... < 1280187848 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: thanks for the log comment was just so ridiculous that they even continue making the series, and i < 1280187849 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :print("ivancastillo75"); < 1280187864 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1280187879 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ivancastillo75: Contemplate the significance of sleeping Ariadne! < 1280187890 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ivancastillo75: your belief system is mindless dogma like the rest. this is not the true path to enlightenment... and we are not the ones you are searching for. < 1280187891 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chatter ivan = new Chatter.wrong_esoteric("ivancastillo75"); < 1280187921 0 :ivancastillo75!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh I get it you guys just use this space to do nothing ? < 1280187930 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and no, we don't know where the right one is. But if anyone finds out, let us know, so we can redirect other people who come here by mistake) < 1280187937 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ivancastillo75: that's depressingly accurate < 1280187949 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's surprisingly hard work, considering it's nothing. < 1280187954 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ivancastillo75: Whereas mindless Latin < 1280187955 0 :CakeProphet!~adam@h82.7.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280187961 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Oh I get it you guys just use this space to do nothing ? < 1280187962 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idiotic beliefs — < 1280187964 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so true < 1280187968 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are "something"? < 1280187970 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :198| Oh I get it you guys just use this space to do nothing ? < 1280187986 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Clearly the "right one" would be well hidden. In plain view, no less. < 1280187995 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate occultists. They're religious people who can't even admit it ... < 1280187997 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What we supposedly talk about is weird languages that no sane person wants to know. < 1280188005 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: would you like to be banned? < 1280188016 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: that actually isn't that far off the other meaning of "esoteric" < 1280188020 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I said nothing! < 1280188041 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but i'm fairly sure that wouldn't last. < 1280188042 0 :ivancastillo75!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is any one the least bit interested in finding the path? < 1280188053 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ivancastillo75: Yes. < 1280188055 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ivancastillo75: I only ask that you consider the value of exploring strange programming languages as a path. < 1280188059 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you really want a path, make your own. < 1280188066 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...turns out you might already be on it. < 1280188072 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stop looking. < 1280188092 0 :ivancastillo75!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really mean no harm in any way shape or form to anyone in this chat room. < 1280188096 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION remembers when a cultist of some anti-color cult came into AW < 1280188104 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: you're insulting someone, and you started it < 1280188106 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ivancastillo75: And us none to you. < 1280188114 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ivancastillo75, we know, but this isn't a discussion about supernatural topics < 1280188116 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I insulted nobody. < 1280188122 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idea: Supernatlang < 1280188126 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1280188144 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: grr, now this channel is no longer well-formed XML! < 1280188147 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The cruddiest of all names. < 1280188156 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone might have put the closing tags in someday... < 1280188158 0 :ivancastillo75!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I JUST HAVEN`T HAD ANY REAL MEANINGFUL CONVERSATION SINCE I GOT BACK FROM XIBALBA-BE, IN CHICHEN-ITZA < 1280188175 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just got capsploded. < 1280188180 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ivancastillo75: TOTALLY < 1280188190 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ivancastillo75: CAPITALS ARE MEANINGFUL < 1280188193 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ivancastillo75: i find that i don't need to find the path, i'm being dragged along it no matter what i want < 1280188199 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ivancastillo75, we have meaningful conversation. More meaningful if you're a computer science person < 1280188199 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DON'T YOU THINK < 1280188199 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :put it this way: freenode is a network about open-source progamming < 1280188201 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a math person < 1280188208 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore, channels there tend to be implicitly programming-related < 1280188218 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Save the 86857756 social channels. < 1280188231 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: officially discouraged, surely? < 1280188244 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Only de facto. < 1280188245 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if this channel really was a social channel, it would be better at it < 1280188253 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you mean "de jure", surely? < 1280188255 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think #defocus is an official channel < 1280188259 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"de facto" means "in practice" < 1280188267 0 :ivancastillo75!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, oerjan, don't be so weak willed!! < 1280188276 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Freenode is Wikipedia and WordPress fanboy etc.; OFTC is the programmer's network < 1280188281 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: er, ofc < 1280188296 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: I can see how Wikipedia would fit on Freenode < 1280188303 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mess that is Wikipedia IRC channels is rather unrelated < 1280188313 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, the fact that it doesn't work in practice doesn't preclude it being correct in theory < 1280188315 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: *fanboys I meant to say < 1280188324 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that word is important :P < 1280188337 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is outside the and < 1280188338 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1280188340 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in it < 1280188356 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vaguely wonders what the strangest programming-related concept with fanboys is < 1280188359 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ivancastillo75: You may or may not be able to find meaningful conversation here. I sometimes do. < 1280188374 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a sad statement X-D < 1280188376 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends a lot on your proclivities, I suppose. < 1280188380 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ivancastillo75: but the meaningful conversation probably isn't going to be on a topic you want to discuss < 1280188394 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: it's a pity really, this channel could be really useful and productive < 1280188399 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for esolang meanings of "productive" < 1280188405 0 :SevenInchBread!~adam@h123.38.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280188410 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm just happy it's not a pit. < 1280188410 0 :ivancastillo75!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you for being honest! < 1280188438 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ivancastillo75: It's all lies! < 1280188447 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION compiles ivancastillo75  < 1280188452 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're really an esoterica channel. < 1280188452 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1280188464 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bet we got you there eh? Haha! Welcome! < 1280188475 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1280188482 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Layers upon layers, you see... < 1280188486 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here, we all speak PSOX. < 1280188487 0 :ivancastillo75!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alisephone are you a programmer too? < 1280188501 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waits for someone to slap him < 1280188509 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ivancastillo75: All of us are :P < 1280188515 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Word, bro. < 1280188531 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION adds a slap command to Plof then invokes it to slap Sgeo. < 1280188547 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION also adds a "slappage" page to Hackiki and adds Sgeo to its index. < 1280188558 0 :ivancastillo75!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's :P < 1280188571 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P is sticking your tongue out < 1280188573 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION furthermore writes a Slapper class in Glass and applies its "slap" method to Sgeo. < 1280188617 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P is a flag on your colon. < 1280188663 0 :ivancastillo75!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like I'm in Wonderland! < 1280188665 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ivancastillo75: it's a smiley. turn your head to the left and it looks like a face. < 1280188704 0 :ivancastillo75!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anybody here speak plain English? < 1280188718 0 :ivancastillo75!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get it! < 1280188719 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1280188724 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only on Tuesdays. < 1280188731 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, aliseiphone and others speak only the Queen's English. < 1280188737 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: that term's outdated < 1280188737 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of the rest of us speak only Yankee. < 1280188739 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ivancastillo75: Well, you have to take into account that this *is* the Internet, and all. < 1280188748 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's evidence that the Queen's accent has slipped towards Cockney < 1280188748 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: It IS? < 1280188752 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ivancastillo75: Plain? I speak'th not the plain English. < 1280188756 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh boy. I had no idea. < 1280188764 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OFF WITH HER HEAD < 1280188774 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: You took a wrong turn at that truck stop outside of El Paso, I tell ya.