< 1280793607 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Nah; know it a little, but... < 1280793624 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION leaves before he finds out what "the FLR" is < 1280793626 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1280793644 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agora, sheesh! :P < 1280793669 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, FLR? < 1280793676 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, maybe? < 1280793683 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The Full Logical Ruleset of Agora Nomic. < 1280793707 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Full Logical? < 1280793714 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1280793717 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: This month's copy of the FLR, I presume? < 1280793731 0 :Mathnerd314_!~mathnerd3@nat-wireless-guest-reg-158-122.bu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1280793747 0 :Mathnerd314_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Mathnerd314 < 1280793772 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Maybe I could AUTOMATE IT. /salivates < 1280793779 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, provide little page numbers above rule references! < 1280793786 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It's logical because it is. It's full because it includes rule history. < 1280793790 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Short Logical Ruleset doesn't. < 1280793792 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things that will be done when I am in charge: all image transforms will be banned. < 1280793910 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, all image transforms in the context of photographs of oneself. < 1280794034 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was assuming it would be automated < 1280794056 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you make epubs from LaTeX? I'd assume so... < 1280794090 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1: Uh, maybe. < 1280794095 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1280794102 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I need typographical opinions! If you are using drop caps, and start a chapter with a quote mark, how to set it? < 1280794110 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there used to be chronological rulesets. I glanced at Agoranomic back in 2003 or 2005 or so. < 1280794117 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should the drop cap be {``E}? If so, does the `` extend into the margin? (Yes.) < 1280794125 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or should it be {E}, with a normal `` in the margin preceding it? < 1280794131 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the latter, how can I achieve this with LaTeX/ < 1280794173 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@nat-wireless-guest-reg-158-122.bu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1280794250 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*LaTeX? < 1280794255 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I'm pretty sure it should be drop-cap'd {``E}, with `` extended into the margin. < 1280794264 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How you achieve this, I know not. < 1280794270 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But then the closing '' looks unbalanced. < 1280794377 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1280794390 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but... Everything else is ugly. < 1280794397 0 :Mathnerd314_!~mathnerd3@nat-wireless-guest-reg-158-122.bu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1280794411 0 :Mathnerd314_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Mathnerd314 < 1280794413 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Small quote mark? *ugh* < 1280794469 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, it could work, if in the margin. < 1280794479 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing I shouldn't be the one to epub-ify the FLR, given my cluelessness when it comes to typography < 1280794549 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it would make me as famous as comex! Ok, not really, but I'm jealous < 1280794665 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a fucking iPhone jailbreak. < 1280794689 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Wii hacking. < 1280794819 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That garners rather less fame. < 1280794932 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1: chroniclor < 1280794961 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds more like an office < 1280794972 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is < 1280794976 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should take it < 1280794977 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and do it < 1280794979 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, CFJs should be epubbed < 1280794979 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and become famous < 1280794980 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION indents his first paragraph in latex < 1280794984 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*her < 1280794987 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? Because it's only one line. < 1280795022 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1280795041 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd only be Agoranomic...known < 1280795064 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My phone has agoranomic as an autocorrect < 1280795309 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, Bjorn is the worst poet ever. < 1280795439 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1280795635 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1280795895 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye < 1280795914 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1280796007 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: no < 1280796027 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No what? < 1280796032 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the worst poet ever < 1280796039 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh really? < 1280796039 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worst poet ever died when Earth exploded obv < 1280796055 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Incorrigible shopkeeper thou, < 1280796055 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who cannot even fields plow: < 1280796055 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :‘Dear sir, I must be sure < 1280796055 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you frolick and play in manure?’ < 1280796055 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is a question I’m sure you’re oft asked; < 1280796056 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And this divine duty with which I’m tasked? < 1280796058 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To retrieve my stolen Device.” < 1280796078 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Douglas Adams cannot emulate a truly terrible poet as well as a bad poet can. < 1280796165 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1280796300 0 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1280796334 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who wants to test our home-built 8088 computer? < 1280796464 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cutr.pl/dd54681099 <- the core :D < 1280796698 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would, if I understood it. < 1280796708 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to be like Dickens, and release my terrible novels in serial form. < 1280796721 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here I present the first instalment of A Device Lost, a Bjorn tale! < 1280796722 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://filebin.ca/rhgbku/bjorn.pdf < 1280796747 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note: Bjorn has Infinite Personality Disorder. < 1280796806 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: it's almost like oooold IBM PC < 1280796823 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bjorn would never use a computer he couldn't eat. < 1280796824 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that was the actual photo of working processor < 1280796841 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1280796855 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, disorder, i see < 1280796913 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1280797461 0 :Wamanuz3!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1280797659 0 :Wamanuz2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1280798746 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1280798990 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cutr.pl/5cffb3360e behold < 1280799873 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/NtXHf.png < 1280800589 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1280800618 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/tmp/teddynom.gif < 1280800619 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i was to build a lisp machine < 1280800635 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would probably look exactly like QED < 1280800726 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1280800774 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: would you like to test this lovely bunch of ICs and wires? < 1280800802 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1280800809 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CAN I TEST IT WITH MY TONGUE? < 1280800823 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but you can ssh the maintenance machine < 1280800834 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and PROGRAM it < 1280800838 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG < 1280800843 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PROGRAM IT WITH CODEZ < 1280800855 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just check out early code samples < 1280800876 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just check out motd < 1280800895 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just check out < 1280800898 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just check < 1280800901 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just < 1280800902 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1280800904 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1280800984 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1280801110 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :³ < 1280801279 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if i was to build a lisp machine < 1280801279 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : it would probably look exactly like QED < 1280801281 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which sense of QED? < 1280801352 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@nat-wireless-guest-reg-158-122.bu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1280801353 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :QED is the name of that 8088 computer i showed you < 1280801359 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quantum Explosion Dynamp < 1280801361 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dynamo < 1280801777 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:59:59 Haskell doesn't suck. < 1280801779 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO WRONG. < 1280801915 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:23:05 Gregor-P: re recursiveC: DOUBLE COMPILE. (reference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WxJECOFg8w and related) < 1280801921 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gosh. It's compiled twice. < 1280801969 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1280802032 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :recursiveC? < 1280802117 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/10.08.02. < 1280802139 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RecursiveC is a hypothetical C-based language with "static" parts that are bits of C code that output C which replaces the original code. Run those static bits over and over 'til you reach fixed-point, then voila! You could implement OO in header files :P < 1280802206 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP? < 1280802248 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... huh? < 1280802307 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing :D < 1280802400 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP is a dangerous drug. < 1280802433 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate it < 1280802749 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/cwep1/the_neverending_finite_loop/c0vt9vf?context=4 < 1280802754 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Badum-tish < 1280803112 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Infi-Loop I always use... < 1280803113 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x = 1; < 1280803113 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while(x > 0) { if (x < 2) x++; else x--; } < 1280803113 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--reddit < 1280803118 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This person has never even considered while(1). < 1280803489 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely that poster was joking? < 1280803757 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope so. < 1280803890 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to be up in a bit less than 6 hours. < 1280803893 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should bed soon. < 1280803962 0 :derdon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1280804874 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1280804958 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1280804978 0 :Mathnerd314_!~mathnerd3@nat-wireless-guest-reg-158-122.bu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1280804994 0 :Mathnerd314_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Mathnerd314 < 1280805053 0 :cal153!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1280805536 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1280805543 0 :Wamanuz3!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1280806568 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1280806588 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight. < 1280806593 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodday. < 1280806596 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye. < 1280806598 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1280806713 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to design a font using METAFONT (once I figure out how; neither this channel nor the #LaTeX channel was of much help), http://sprunge.us/OiNh is that a good encoding of list of chaacters to be included? < 1280806748 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't exactly know how some of these should look though < 1280806773 0 :cal153!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280806796 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, other than a few obvious ones, which might be taken from Computer Modern and then changed a bit < 1280806806 0 :comex!comex@c-98-210-154-193.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280806831 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there is blackboard bold, does that mean somebody will invent whiteboard bold? < 1280806841 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1280806850 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1280806876 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of Unicode. < 1280806878 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And do it well. < 1280806886 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I especially don't know the control graphics < 1280806921 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I can't do all of unicode, that is a lot. I only want a subset, which might however include some things that are not part of unicode < 1280806980 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know if unicode has Greek blackboard bold, for one thing, and I don't know if these control graphics would be the same as unicode, my idea was using some special symbols to represent these control graphics instead of the way unicode does it) < 1280807026 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you might have noticed or not, the control graphic numbers are the same as the lowercase letters for those codes in a C program, for the ones that are usable in C strings. < 1280807050 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :('\e' is GNU C only, but I included it so that it can be used with GNU C) < 1280807140 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of the things in WEBMATH are already included in AMS, but I want one usable with Plain TeX and only one font for all the extra stuff < 1280807203 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many codes does Unicode have these days, anyways? < 1280807296 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tons. < 1280807314 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But how many? One million? < 1280807318 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some 75% of it is Han Unified Ideographs... < 1280807330 0 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280807339 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :107,361 as of October 2009. < 1280807347 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1280807348 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is going to eat his first hamburger soon < 1280807361 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1: ... Your *first* hamburger? < 1280807368 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My dad says I've eaten hamburgers before, but I don't remember < 1280807371 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you're in... America. < 1280807375 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1: When are you going to eat your first "burgerham"? < 1280807392 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My dad has been paranoid about mad cow disease < 1280807395 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, what? < 1280807405 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, now I understand (I think) < 1280807405 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode has 246,943 assigned codes < 1280807442 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: When do you ever think it will reach one million if it ever does? < 1280807457 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it's not going to be in hamburger buns, just slices of bread ;( < 1280807466 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, :( < 1280807474 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Tell us EVERY DETAIL of your FIRST HAMBURGER EVAR < 1280807479 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1: How do you *avoid* eating hamburgers in the USA? < 1280807480 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: long time < 1280807500 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a bit like avoiding seeing a fat person. < 1280807554 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Freenode whois doesn't tell you which server someone's on, just which server location you're on < 1280807580 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're on jordan.freenode.net in france. hth. < 1280807617 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I wanted to do is make a WEBMATH font (I might need help in many different ways), and then add a option in the next version of Enhanced CWEB to make it use this font, and then instead of overtyping the \ and n on each other it can use the TYPEWRITER CONTROL GRAPHIC NEW LINE OR LINE FEED character from the WEBMATH font. < 1280807623 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: huh < 1280807628 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe seven doesn't have that feature < 1280807641 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that was about when it changed < 1280807646 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The WHOIS does tell you. < 1280807667 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the 312 line. < 1280807675 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, but for a while (probably on the old ircd) it would always reply with the server you were on, not the server the target of the request was on < 1280807688 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Well, it works now (at least for me) < 1280807692 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, me too < 1280807721 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: also, CJK ideographs fall just short of 75% < 1280807724 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely recall it replied with irc.freenode.net for a while < 1280807736 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Aaaaw. < 1280807751 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Throw in kana and bopomofo, and what do you get? :P < 1280807776 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably 75% :D < 1280807784 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I posted this as my Facebook status: "I'm unhappy that UTF-8 can't be extended indefinitely. Eight-byte UTF-8 wouldn't break too many invariants, since the value 255 never appears in conforming standard UTF-8, but nine-byte UTF-8 would almost unavoidably create ambiguities with two-byte UTF-8 :(. 42 payload bits is NOT ENOUGH. When we have to tell our new alien overlords that we can't fit their language into our encoding sch < 1280807784 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eme, they're gonna be PISSED." < 1280807787 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two people have "liked" it. < 1280807794 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm quite sure that neither of them have any idea wtf I'm talking about :P < 1280807795 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are according to wikipedia 74384 ideographs and 107361 characters < 1280807814 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: extending UTF-8 is easily done < 1280807832 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To eight bytes, yes. To nine bytes, no. < 1280807881 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you care about the invariants < 1280807886 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, yeah, you're stuck at 7 < 1280807898 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Nine bytes is a TRIVIAL extension. We deprecate UTF-8 and move on to UTF-G_64. < 1280807901 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yeah. If we're gonna break all the invariants, what's the point :P < 1280807910 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:D < 1280807920 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, nah, it's easy < 1280807939 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0b11111111 says that the next byte says how many more bytes are part of the same character :D < 1280807949 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and they all start with 0b10 < 1280807978 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That way you can extend to more than nine bytes, then. < 1280807998 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 0 means to look again < 1280808007 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the next 2 bytes < 1280808009 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1280808016 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can run the sequence up indefinitely < 1280808020 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Hmmmm, you've stuffed another layer of encoding into UTF-8, awesome X-d < 1280808022 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*X-D < 1280808177 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the 7-bit WEBMATH I don't have anything in 0x6D 0x6F 0x70 0x71, and in 8-bit I don't have anything in the high codes, but if you can make suggestion I can write it in < 1280808235 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or if anything I already have duplicates Computer Modern, I should also change it < 1280808255 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WEBMATH? < 1280808328 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : cpressey, I thought lament's real name was Nikita something? < 1280808333 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I want to invent a font called WEBMATH and can be used in TeX and METAFONT < 1280808334 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/OiNh < 1280808344 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :famous hot russian female: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-B0628-0015-035,_Nikita_S._Chruchstschow.jpg < 1280808355 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is the list, you can see some spaces are not filled in yet < 1280808434 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you use a font in METAFONT < 1280808438 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I know some of the characters duplicate ones in AMS, but I want this to be able to be used without AMS) < 1280808448 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I do not support this project < 1280808466 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: You can write the codes for it, and then write other codes to make it load into TeX and other programs < 1280808474 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is how you use a font in METAFONT. < 1280808477 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fonts that do not respect Unicode should be shot < 1280808496 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was eh < 1280808516 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: That makes sense in most cases to use Unicode fonts, but TeX isn't Unicode based, so instead we put 256 characters in one font < 1280808546 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why aren't you using iTeX yet? < 1280808559 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iTeX? < 1280808609 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro's method seems like it would be rather big < 1280808623 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to use iTeX, I want to use Plain TeX < 1280808625 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think by the time you get up to 9 bytes another encoding method would be preferable for efficiency reasons < 1280808649 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: THINK OF THE CHILDREN < 1280808652 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..on the other hand, if you're using 9 bytes to represent one character, i guess another byte is having less of an effect at that point than it would be if you were using only two < 1280808807 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: XeTeX is Unicode based. Suck it. < 1280808852 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked at the iTeX description, and it completely makes nonsense! < 1280808879 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Can XeTeX work with Plain TeX? < 1280808889 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1280808949 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What differences does XeTeX have from normal TeX? < 1280809020 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses Unicode as its encoding, it supports OpenType fonts directly, and it outputs to PDF. < 1280809124 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Then that means I can't use DVI with it? < 1280809138 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it also mean METAFONT can't be used with it? < 1280809173 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also supports METAFONT. < 1280809177 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't do DVI. < 1280809182 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DVI is an archaicism, anyways. < 1280809316 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I still prefer the normal TeX system. < 1280809349 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does LaTex use? Does it fit over any of these.. thingies, or is it TeX-only? < 1280809379 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, if you haven't seen, it, you need to watch http://river-valley.tv/media/conferences/tug-2010/Don-Knuth/ < 1280809428 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia article for XeTeX says it uses LaTeX < 1280809475 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I learned some things about METAFONT, I think it is not a bad program for designing fonts, however I cannot get it to work < 1280809476 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is now 20 different types of confused < 1280809486 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soon I'll be confused tracking all the ways I'm confused! < 1280809487 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: LaTeX is a set of macros for TeX. < 1280809955 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION terminally fails at references < 1280809962 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing I like about Plain TeX opposed to LaTeX, is that in Plain TeX I can run "tex" only once and still have all cross-references and everything correct, with no auxiliary files. < 1280810528 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I like Plain Text. < 1280810618 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did they make LaTeX require multiple passes and a separate program to make index, and so on? < 1280810787 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do I need to make METAFONT work on MiKTeX? < 1280810839 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you watched the video yet? < 1280810876 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The video won't play < 1280810885 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1280810896 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's Flash < 1280812297 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got METAFONT to work now, but it still doesn't work in interactive mode? < 1280812392 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can fonts with METAFONT be converted to other formats, in case some other programg uses other formats? < 1280812730 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's possible to make ePub files by hand! < 1280812738 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1280812748 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, I won't, but I will attempt to make an automated epub creator for Agoran Rulesets < 1280812762 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can ePubs reference other books? I doubt it, but that would be awesome for the Agoran stuff < 1280812773 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crosslinks between CFJs and the FLR < 1280812820 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If your book is in the HTML format, you can use Book Glutton to convert it to ePub" < 1280812846 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better idea < 1280812851 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's make a SVG version < 1280812865 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way we can make it as small as we want it ;) < 1280812880 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ePub will be very useful to me soon < 1280812890 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1280812910 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Getting an eReader soon hopefully < 1280812912 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1280812940 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, def. want custom thing for the FLR... there's a Table of Contents thing in the spec, apparently < 1280812943 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I find it funny that we as a people are now starting to move away from PDF because it does exactly what it was designed to do) < 1280813189 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BookGlutton costs $5 :( < 1280813191 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No ty < 1280813256 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, if I got a Nook, would I be able to have it automatically retrieve the latest version of the ePub somehow? < 1280813328 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vaguely wonders how far back RTRR goes < 1280813335 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 ePub for each RTRR! < 1280813861 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When was coppro playing Mafia? < 1280813871 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With people I don't recognize? < 1280813875 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1280813889 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Found a text file wolfgame.txt < 1280813892 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like an IRC log < 1280813902 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, by that name, I guess you call it Werewolves < 1280813916 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where? < 1280813936 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea < 1280813948 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can list names of the participants though < 1280813964 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you have found a file but not know where you found it? < 1280813964 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :modargo, Narrator, Crispy-, coppro, Coboney, Leecifer < 1280813969 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! < 1280813975 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was #wolf of EFNet < 1280813992 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most importantly: Why do I have a log of this? < 1280814008 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was in my Downloads folder... < 1280814042 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I linked it? < 1280814060 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you send me a copy? Maybe there is something special about it < 1280814140 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, email it to you? < 1280814157 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1280814241 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sent < 1280814263 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PDF has too many stupid features in my opinion < 1280814290 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1280814293 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... I remember that game < 1280814298 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing particularly remarkable about it < 1280814323 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue why you'd have a log < 1280814427 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plain TeX is much more better than LaTeX why don't you believe it? < 1280814478 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just wants to make epubs < 1280814557 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is epubs? < 1280814593 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A file format usable by most ereaders < 1280814597 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*epub < 1280814633 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, the Map of Agora isn't exactly reflowable < 1280814674 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does epub work? < 1280814716 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrugs* < 1280814807 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it like HTML or like PDF or DVI or like bitmap picture files, or how does it work? < 1280814933 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like HTML than like bitmaps < 1280814952 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very much like HTML, I think, actuallhy < 1280814967 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is its feature support, colors, fonts, printout, etc? < 1280815025 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No clue < 1280815354 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I can make Icoruma->ePub, even, if I want to, or if anyone else wants to write a converter program for Icoruma documents. So, it would be useful if you wanted to write the rules for a role-playing game on ePub < 1280815909 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone implemented any variant of INTERCAL in TeX? < 1280816714 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, what do you have against Python? < 1280816733 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I just don't like it much. C is more better in my opinion. < 1280816762 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have nothing against Python, though. < 1280816774 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This user is made out of userboxes < 1280816840 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you looking at my Wikipedia? < 1280816860 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1280816898 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1280816913 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1280816914 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Feel free to change it if you don't like it; it is a wiki page and anyone can edit it) < 1280816942 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would I change it? It's a page about you! < 1280816958 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Because you found a mistake in it, perhaps? < 1280816988 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or to make improvement? < 1280817009 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a userbox for TeX? < 1280817011 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the only mistake that could be present in a page of userboxes is a syntactical failure to include a userbox properly < 1280817185 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1280817343 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feel free to add, remove, change, and improve. Just don't deny anyone else these same rights, including the right to distribute and use it. That is all I ask. If you want to call it your own, go ahead. If you want to sell it and earn a lot of money from it, that is OK, too. Just don't deny other people these same rights. < 1280817452 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280817638 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1280817657 0 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280817738 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is userboxes related to LaTeX, but not for Plain TeX. < 1280817743 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should add some < 1280819075 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1280820079 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1280822086 0 :relet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1280822399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1280822400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1280823801 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: New quit message. Entering 2006 in style. < 1280825032 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1280825659 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1280825671 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1280826851 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-15-233.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280827889 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@92.233.174.117 JOIN :#esoteric < 1280828376 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1280828390 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@92.233.174.117 JOIN :#esoteric < 1280829053 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1280829566 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1280829600 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@92.233.174.117 JOIN :#esoteric < 1280830227 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1280830505 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1280830505 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: eval ( 4 ( atan 1)) ( if ( equal? ( 3 4))? i < 1280830524 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1280830524 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc* jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube < 1280830580 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, don't go into programming. < 1280830580 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: im no good at it too, fnord... um... 2 lectures or so, which one should i install in /usr/ lib < 1280830598 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, exactly. < 1280830742 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also pondering making an epub of all of the CFJs in Murphy's db < 1280830785 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders why you'd want to install a lecture in /usr/lib < 1280830791 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INTERCAL object-orientation reference? < 1280830903 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, considering epub'ing the SLR instead of the FLR < 1280831054 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, answer ais' question. < 1280831054 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: java isn't too bad.' this is valid. < 1280831075 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, well, I'm sure ais would agree... < 1280831087 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not as bad as people make it out to be < 1280831105 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's far from the ideal programming language < 1280831116 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if it might be better to programmatically create DocBook stuff < 1280831128 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since there's an easy DocBook -> EPUB converter < 1280831335 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, are you there? < 1280831344 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot? < 1280831348 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUNGOT! < 1280831394 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: fungot has an anti-spam thing, it won't respond to the same person too many times in a row < 1280831395 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: like a caged environment for innocent little newbie schemers to keep them in mind :) ttyl i'm going to < 1280831416 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate you, fungot. < 1280831417 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: fnord wanted dialog...... huh......really? oh a net address! oh, the question needs to be < 1280831429 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, is that so? < 1280831759 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style fisher < 1280831759 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: fisher (Fisher corpus of transcribed telephone conversations) < 1280831770 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Maybe you could be a bit more casual there. < 1280831770 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: exactly and and the cases they deal with are usually very depressing < 1280831884 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the hell is npviewer.bin? < 1280831893 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION depresses fungot  < 1280831893 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: you hit on a really like annoying cliff hanger like not like you go to the next place and then the < 1280831918 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, ingenious < 1280831923 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, we know fungot is a teen girl < 1280831923 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: you know i'm making dinner table or something you know and and < 1280831927 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sentence talking about a really annoying cliff hanger < 1280831938 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then stopping just before it explains what the cliff hanger is < 1280831967 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's the fungot version of "how do you keep an idiot in suspense?" < 1280831967 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ( ( fitness and health)) i've ( ( wanted)) to talk to you again laughter but be careful seriously oh that's wonderful < 1280831969 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ Directed by M. Night Shyamalan ] < 1280832041 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :npviewer.bin is usually Flash. < 1280832050 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a "Netscape Plugin", after all. < 1280832093 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think it's nspluginwrapper's thing around the 32-bit Flash on a x86-64 system.) < 1280832131 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1280832590 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, OK. < 1280832735 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1280832779 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1280833399 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1280833412 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1280834194 0 :cal153!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1280834830 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does fungot work? it takes sentences from the logs? < 1280834830 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: it just seems like you know like < 1280835004 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: it has a bunch of data; IRC logs is its current data source < 1280835009 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can set it to other things too < 1280835011 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style agora < 1280835011 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: agora (a large selection of Agora rules, both current and historical) < 1280835028 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, now it's drawing from current and historical rulesets of Agora < 1280835031 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: say something < 1280835031 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: a frankenstein monster, and the minimum hand size shall be four classes of cards exist than its own content, and < 1280835045 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it looks for common words at different places in the data source < 1280835056 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and jumps from bit to bit as long as there are words in common < 1280835061 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the result makes sense locally, but not globally < 1280835095 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC it was optbot which quoted random literal lines from logs, rather than merging many together like fungot does < 1280835095 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but after taking all other rules, or < 1280835139 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: is that a clear enough explanation? < 1280835717 0 :distant_figure!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1280835820 0 :distant_figure!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1280835829 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1280835836 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1280835885 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: New quit message. Entering 2006 in style. < 1280837151 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1280837231 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, Emacs removed all of their yows but one for copyright reason, < 1280837237 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/,/s/ < 1280837259 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1280837557 0 :dbc!~daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1280838232 0 :derdon!~quassel@p5B3E5C42.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280838253 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I'm beginning to think that this department has trouble tracking personell < 1280838256 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*personnel < 1280838261 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first, they seem to forget I exist < 1280838280 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, we get an email saying "if you notice someone new working in your office, send round an email to introduce them" < 1280838604 0 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1280838713 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1280838719 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1280839491 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, after randomly browsing reddit, I just had a really evil idea < 1280839510 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you do is, you decide that you want a class that contains, say, run() and eval() methods < 1280839531 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, you get your OO language (say Java) to load every class it can access, and inspect it to see if it has those methods < 1280839539 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it does, you instantiate it and then run the methods < 1280839545 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what could possibly go wrong? < 1280839555 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Bonus: this is actually how object orientation works in CLC-INTERCAL) < 1280839579 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although at least it checks whether there's only one appropriate class, first) < 1280839842 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you sensibly enumerate classes in Java, though? Reflection via a ClassLoader lets you look things up by name, but I'm unsure about listing them. < 1280839872 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just try all possible legal identifiers in sequence < 1280839890 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, the brute-force method. < 1280839951 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatively, you could use a bit of knowledge about how the default ClassLoader works, and just look through the entire filesystem to get the names of things that could be potentially loaded < 1280839953 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and use those < 1280840027 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember looking for a "list all classes you so far know about" method in java.lang.Package, but there wasn't any; even though there's a static java.lang.Package.getPackages() which asks the ClassLoader to list all packages it has seen. < 1280840324 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The AI competition game GUI app looks for all .jar files in the current directory and its immediate subdirectories; for each .jar it peeks at the manifest for metadata that indicates a bot. I didn't really want people to have to fiddle with classpaths or so if they wanted to try out a bot-.jar they had. < 1280841040 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1280841264 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of fungot, the explanation up there is conceptually speaking feasible, although if you want to pick some nits, technically speaking it's not "jumping from bit to bit", but instead it collects frequency counts for all n-tuples of consecutive words (where n is about 3 or 4 or so), and then just decides next word randomly based on the frequencies of all (say) 4-tuples where first three words match the current context. < 1280841264 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: " first-class person becomes a registered player, by announcing that e insists. a player is ineligible to < 1280841416 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, it comes to the same thing, but it's a rather different implementation from what I suggested < 1280841481 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course everyone can just take a peek at the sources to immediately see the implementation strategy. < 1280841514 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's even a comment in there. < 1280841544 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmn, it seems that the comment simply says "pickword:", which might be a bit ambiguous. < 1280841820 0 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1280842106 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1280842118 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl29-2-0-cust326.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1280843386 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Reboot < 1280843456 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1280843472 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl29-2-0-cust326.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1280843547 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1280843710 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-0-186.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280843768 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1280844063 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1280844992 0 :mquin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Changing server < 1280845078 0 :mquin!~freenode@freenode/staff/mquin JOIN :#esoteric < 1280847341 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1280847516 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1280847517 0 :Ilari_antrcomp!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Ilari < 1280847895 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1280848226 0 :Ilari_!~user@2002:5870:32ae:1:4261:86ff:fe96:fca JOIN :#esoteric < 1280848753 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1280848864 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Ilari_antrcomp < 1280848864 0 :Ilari_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Ilari < 1280848970 0 :relet!~thomas@c905DBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1280849510 0 :cpressey!~CPressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280851471 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1280851588 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1280853783 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1280855083 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl29-2-0-cust326.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1280855200 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing is happening. fungot, rectify this. < 1280855200 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: any order issued, the date of the period of < 1280855215 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who made his style boring? < 1280855356 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 is the one who agorafied him. < 1280855359 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style europarl < 1280855359 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: europarl (European Parliament speeches during approx. 1996-2006) < 1280855373 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Now you're the definition of excitement and unborigness. < 1280855375 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the impressive number of projects in the energy efficiency measures have not halted, still less for commercial or economic reasons. veritable ' dictatorship' by the stock exchange lists of all european agriculture systems and not just for those in financial difficulty. we hope that, because trafficking in human beings < 1280855434 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Who's trafficking in human beings? Is this some sort of preliminary stage of the coming robot revolution? < 1280855435 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: mr president, first i should like to thank the commissioner for the attention they are given recognition on this level. we welcome the consideration of environmental integration than on other reform aspects. we are not the guilty party. for those engaging in these activities are carried on in denmark, as jens-peter bonde emphasised, and other elements as well. < 1280855462 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He sounds *just* like a politician this way. < 1280855676 0 :cal153!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280855744 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, what activities are carried out in Denmark? < 1280855747 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i declined to vote in favour of the proposal on biofuels, which i cannot accept amendments nos 11, 15, 26, 28, 33, 36 to 43 and, in accordance with the compromise that we reached, fortunately, we were discussing a different proposal and this report, and a rights guarantee system. we will not be the case but they must be built upon in vienna, so that we can avoid a number of consumer protection and to preserving < 1280855823 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the danish human trafficking, obviously < 1280855832 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Is something rotten in the state of Denmark? < 1280855834 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: mr president, i would add the injury of indifference to the well-being of patients suffering from inherited diseases have been told here that national legislation on pay, and those that follow will help us to ensure that there is room for the benefit of the alcohol market is satisfactorily addressed by this proposal for codecision is the result of the way there. turning to another important european union decision: enla < 1280855949 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, what about enla? < 1280855950 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :si.zb: mr president, commissioner, the aid procedure. my concern, personally, i believe, on the basis of the international conventions, needs for protection and family reunification. < 1280855971 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, you met a bug. < 1280855997 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, no, that's my true name < 1280856011 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay; then it's just the usual clairvoyancy thing. < 1280856014 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't part of any mortal character encoding. < 1280856147 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"93 9f 97 84 82 95 9b 8b 99 73 98 69 8d 9a 9e 2e 7a 92 88 91 8c 62"; that's not a very obvious sequence of bytes. < 1280856237 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, so, what else do you know? < 1280856237 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: mr president, ladies and gentlemen, i would like to congratulate mr blokland on the classification of european export shares to asia as a proportion of publicly financed social and economic difficulties there, its crisis of political confidence and its restrictions of democratic freedom, which only brings together members of the new millennium < 1280856345 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All hail Mr. Blokland; sounds like a LEGO thing. < 1280856356 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :another danish scheme < 1280856389 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :financing asian social and economic difficulties < 1280856475 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!~phantomho@92.233.174.117 JOIN :#esoteric < 1280856478 0 :cpressey!~CPressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280856479 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, what are Denmark planning? < 1280856480 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: in its short justification, the committee on budgetary control, we should be penalising employers who shamelessly exploit immigrants who have no desire to hand over the issue of comitology. i welcome the fact that all this may bring to bear on those principally responsible for the 500 000 protesters were perfectly aware of the problem demands that we close our eyes to the facts. < 1280856583 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i note that the fnords are not visible in this style - clearly this shows that this _is_ an illuminati plot < 1280856616 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well, several < 1280856653 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1280856667 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A confluence of illuminati ploti? < 1280856711 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CONFLVENTIA PLOTORVM ILLVMINATORVM < 1280857622 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Phantom_Hoover < 1280857657 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, isn't -orum singular genitive? < 1280857668 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or perhaps dative... < 1280857679 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, plural < 1280857776 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'k < 1280858152 0 :Gregor-P!~AndChat@99-203-245-78.pools.spcsdns.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280858656 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so I have a parser for Eightebed done, and the beginnings of a type checker. I just need to finish that, extend it to do simple validity analysis, write the translator (to C), and write the runtime for the translated code (in C)... < 1280858780 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1280858878 0 :yiyus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1280858967 0 :yiyus!~124271242@67.202.106.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1280858967 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CPS is very similar to the standard x86 calling convention... < 1280858991 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1280858995 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ? The standard x86 calling convention uses the stack IIRC... < 1280859059 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it uses an address rather than a continuation, of course. < 1280859115 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : cactus stack obv < 1280859151 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Actually, it's more that *call stacks* are very similar to CPS. < 1280859154 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1280859169 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, "similar" is commutative, isn't it? < 1280859176 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Call stacks are crippled continuations < 1280859184 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, that was my point. < 1280859310 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Except when you add stronger stack manipulation. < 1280859345 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in particular things like stack-swapping coroutines...) < 1280859443 0 :Gregor-P!~AndChat@99-203-245-78.pools.spcsdns.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280859827 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Granted. But I would say even the fanciest stack arrangement limits the power of continuations. < 1280860034 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Quit < 1280860105 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Not really. One can use each stack as a continuation. :P < 1280860151 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is most useful for the setup provided by getcontext et al, where each new stack has, at its bottom, the start of a function that will jump to a different stack...) < 1280860191 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: OK, fine. Two stacks and you have a Turing tape anyway, right. < 1280860210 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Correct. < 1280860216 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1280860274 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then if you have a Turing machine, who needs functions or continuations anyway? See, this is not at all what I was getting at... < 1280860304 0 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1280860333 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1280860593 0 :cal153!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1280860602 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moo < 1280861781 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see the Python debugger is just as much a debugger as all other debuggers. < 1280861785 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Bugger!) < 1280862102 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you do the empty set in TeX? < 1280862110 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or union, for that matter. < 1280862205 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\emptyset, \cup or \bigcup . iirc. < 1280862262 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1280862275 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is $\emptyset$ for empty set symbol in TeX? < 1280862305 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know if it is different for LaTeX, or for AMS-LaTeX) < 1280862346 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I checked now, it is $\emptyset$ < 1280862510 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what's the difference between $\emptyset$ and \emptyset ? < 1280862523 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are not in math mode you have to enter math mode first < 1280862554 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise you would normally use it inside of a mathematical equation, so put $ around the entire equation instead of only around the \emptyset part < 1280862675 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"many people prefer the look of AMS's \varnothing ... to that of LaTeX's \emptyset. < 1280862678 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1280862696 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose if you are using AMS you can use \varnothing instead < 1280862717 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/info/symbols/comprehensive/symbols-a4.pdf which is _too_ comprehensive, took me ages to find the last one) < 1280862853 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have idea to add a few additional commands into TeX \rawread \rawwrite \boxpush \boxpop \boxenqueue \boxdequeue \tokpush \tokpop \tokenqueue \tokdequeue < 1280862905 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that document seems to use LaTeX2e as the lowest common denominator, so nothing about just TeX specified < 1280862996 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AMSTeX is the only TeX that matters < 1280863002 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Just trying to start a fight) < 1280863025 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I don't think so, there are many kinds that are used, they all matter < 1280863061 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care about TeX - I just want a sed that handles UTF-8 properly < 1280863083 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: O, perhaps you can modify sed to do that, if you want it like that? < 1280863106 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd sooner write a Perl script to do the replacements for me < 1280863134 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Python, considering I have an idea of how Python's Unicode support works, but know nothing about Perl;s. < 1280863223 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, it does. I was just writing a bad regexp previously. Heheh. < 1280863242 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://omega.albany.edu:8008/Symbols.html is a bit more maintainable :D < 1280863255 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why the :8008? < 1280863263 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could they not get 80 < 1280863269 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/$/?/ < 1280863280 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: My sed doesn't handle UTF-8 properly in the sense that it'd understand multibyte sequences to be one character, but you can still do some simple operations even while it just thinks as sequences of bytes. < 1280863288 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the heck should i know, i just googled "tex symbols" < 1280863361 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, sed at home actually seems to be locale-aware. Freaky! It must've been some other sed that didn't do it right. (Or maybe I, too, wrote a bad regexp.) < 1280863361 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the date "11 Jan 95" _could_ be a hint < 1280863409 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"echo ä | sed -e 's/./x/'" => "x"; "echo ä | LC_CTYPE=C sed -e 's/./x/'" => "x¤". It certainly does locale-specificity. < 1280863418 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The union of any set with the empty set is equal to the original set, isn't it? < 1280863430 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1280863486 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :love the favicon on that page < 1280863491 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: also, \cup is used as a binary operator, while \bigcup is generally used for indexed stuff, like the sigma sum symbol < 1280863512 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More addition commands into TeX \pushmode \popmode \undefhandler < 1280863524 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like + vs. \sum < 1280863714 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1280863793 0 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1280863828 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: incidentally with the table called "delimiters" iirc you can put \left or \right commands before some of them to make them expand in size. e.g. matrices can be put between \left[ and \right] < 1280863851 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even more additional commands into TeX \foreach \alltolerate \readglue \readmuglue \processglue \processmuglue < 1280863911 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :glue? < 1280863932 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\notolerate \krystalnacht \myhead < 1280863938 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Do you use TeX? < 1280863954 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you could use \left( and \right) as parentheses if your formula is so big the usual ones become awkward < 1280863954 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-P: And what would \krystalnacht and \myhead mean? < 1280863974 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I tried using LaTeX, once, years ago. Safe to say I've forgotten almost everything about it. < 1280864002 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*kristallnacht < 1280864044 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Thanks, I knew that was all wrong but can't check on my phone :P < 1280864056 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Maybe in LaTeX you don't need to deal with glue. But Plain TeX uses glue values, which means the natural length, as well as how much it is allowed to be shrink and how much it is allowed to be long, for inserting spaces, such as spaces between words in lines of paragraph text. < 1280864098 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This must be why I've never "progressed beyond" HTML. < 1280864100 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1280864144 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: LaTeX has various length designations, some expandable, some not < 1280864162 0 :cal153!~cal@70.36.237.178 JOIN :#esoteric < 1280864180 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Perhaps you could try using TeX for some thing one time, I use it and it works. < 1280864208 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And if you want to type the rules of a role playing game, you might use Icoruma and then compile Icoruma files into other formats, such as TeX and HTML) < 1280864234 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1280864265 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, < 1280864281 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1280864310 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although I prefer Plain TeX, but different people might prefer LaTeX or other packages) < 1280864323 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38's wikipedia user page just ate my brain < 1280864344 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i suspect most non-programmers will find TeX to require too much handling of details < 1280864352 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: O NO I DIDN'T KNOW WIKIPEDIA PAGES HAS TO EAT!! < 1280864353 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*plain TeX < 1280864362 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia pages don't have to eat < 1280864383 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only the people that write it has to eat. (But not necessarily eating the pages!) < 1280864481 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, you are probably right. But the programming that can be done in TeX is what makes it good idea in my opinion! < 1280864486 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You are so totally one of those grey aliens pretending to be a human, aren't you? < 1280864523 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: No, I don't think so, not as far as I know, anyways. < 1280864548 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants to believe < 1280864553 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1280864571 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am one of those humans that perhaps it is not meant to be humans but is instead supposted to be some kind of weird monsters that actually doesn't exist and nobody knows nothing about, not even me. < 1280864577 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But this is also doubtful. < 1280864590 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: OK, believe what you want to believe either way < 1280864601 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But I am warning you!) < 1280864624 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warning duly noted. Constraining belief systems, please wait... < 1280864647 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ye of little faith < 1280865017 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My Wikipedia userpage mentions rotary telephones, I still use them (I use touchtone as well), but I also use phone that must be pulsed manually, which is the easiest kind to build. < 1280865029 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, zzo38 is another result of the Device. < 1280865034 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because is simple and uses less component of others < 1280865057 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Sorry, what Device do you mean? I don't know. < 1280865069 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, yes, the Device tends to cause that. < 1280865074 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't worry about it. < 1280865085 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really surprised that there are any phone companies in NA that still support pulse dialing. < 1280865096 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NA? < 1280865107 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was just reading an article about technologies going "obsolete", by concidence < 1280865109 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :north america, presumably < 1280865145 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the technologies on this list is the "Computer Mouse" < 1280865147 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think everyone should still continue to support pulse dialing < 1280865187 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that anyone can build a telephone from just a few wires and it will work < 1280865194 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you think everyone should continue to support unsliced bread? < 1280865286 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, I think you can, however you can make it at home baking it, so you don't need to have it commonly available at the store if you do not want to < 1280865301 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think DIP packaging should be banned. Only surface-mount packaging should be manufactured. This will make it much, much harder for pesky individual hobbyists to experiment with electronics. < 1280865351 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I think both DIP packaging and surface-mount should be remain available. < 1280865389 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, facetiousness should be punishable by being beaten with a sausage. < 1280865409 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: What is the purpose of that? < 1280865433 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my first degree was in electronic engineering < 1280865441 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and surface mount is entirely possible to handle, just more annoying < 1280865458 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, call me back when you invent surface mount wire < 1280865466 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Which is why both ways should remain available. < 1280865842 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, it are possible, but if only SM was available, I would probably choose something like kite-building over electronics as a hobby. < 1280865851 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, it are! < 1280865901 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's something I'm missing though, about hobbies I mean, but that's a different subject. < 1280865940 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@nat-wireless-guest-reg-158-122.bu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1280866178 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION kisses Google < 1280866680 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1280866688 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, why? < 1280866707 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a problem. Google had the solution < 1280866720 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BRB < 1280867103 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1280867200 0 :AnMaster!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1280867484 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280867666 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, now I'm having a different < 1280867669 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :different problem < 1280867674 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And finding no solutions :( < 1280867910 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's RDP support in Ubuntu, right? < 1280868098 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RDP? < 1280868107 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1280868127 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remote Desktop Protocol? < 1280868159 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :System>Preferences>Remote Desktop < 1280868217 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Applications>Internet>Remote Desktop Viewer? < 1280868260 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not in Ubuntu right now < 1280868263 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on Windows < 1280868417 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1280868625 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There has to be a better way < 1280868644 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Raptor Defense Protocol < 1280868679 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RAPTORS! < 1280868684 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ready the Device! < 1280868868 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1280868892 0 :Mathnerd314_!~mathnerd3@nat-wireless-guest-reg-158-122.bu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1280868903 0 :Mathnerd314_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Mathnerd314 < 1280869032 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1280869050 0 :Mathnerd314_!~mathnerd3@nat-wireless-guest-reg-158-122.bu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1280869065 0 :Mathnerd314_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Mathnerd314 < 1280869275 0 :deathmoniac!~turing@187.35.34.18 JOIN :#esoteric < 1280869610 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280869832 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1280870965 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1280871015 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Googling for Icoruma is an adventure! < 1280871271 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1280871442 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://jyte.com/cl/i-have-used-at-least-10-different-programming-languages < 1280871496 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just counted -- I've used 18 "for serious". Counting Visual Basic, 8-bit Microsoft BASIC, and Business BASIC as different languages, and x86 and 6502 as different too. < 1280871503 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1280871568 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't count, like, Forth or Prolog, because I've just never gotten very serious with them. < 1280871849 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used 0 programming languages, then. < 1280871905 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Not even school projects? That you've enjoyed? I've done a school project in Prolog, and if I had enjoyed it, I would have included it... < 1280871914 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was kind of meh though. < 1280871942 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, I have whined endlessly about how terrible my school's computing course was. < 1280871946 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prolog is an excellent tool for expressing logical relations. A programming language -- not so much. < 1280871959 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: OK, ok. < 1280871975 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like Prolog, though. < 1280872099 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Write something you care about in it, and you could raise that 0 to a 1. (Just sayin'.) < 1280872122 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I've written things I care about before. < 1280872138 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not in a way that you'd consider "for serious"? < 1280872148 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they were all for my own amusement. < 1280872203 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://jyte.com/cl/i-have-used-at-least-10-different-programming-languages <-- what is jyte? < 1280872208 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'm not really using that as a criteria. Almost everything I've written in Haskell or 6502 assembly has been for my own amusement. < 1280872229 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It came up during my google search for Icoruma. < 1280872239 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, what is icoruma? < 1280872268 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1:36:24 PM) zzo38: (And if you want to type the rules of a role playing game, you might use Icoruma and then compile Icoruma files into other formats, such as TeX and HTML) < 1280872288 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, define serious btw. < 1280872297 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No. < 1280872301 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, oh go to zzo's website. He is NIH < 1280872306 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's intentionally vague < 1280872341 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, really? I was strongly under the impression that zzo was invented here. < 1280872361 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, har har < 1280872383 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: fungot 2.0 < 1280872384 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: mr president, commissioner, this is one of numerous documents which we ourselves have done in which you are facing up to the year 2012. < 1280872400 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, AHA, so 2012 is involved too? < 1280872401 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: mr president, as several speakers have drawn attention to the needs of a european space strategy together with the proposal on the general headquarters of the united nations. < 1280872421 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course! < 1280872444 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The UN are going to destroy the world in 2012 with European orbital weapons! < 1280872448 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT ALL MAKES SENSE < 1280872694 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AHA < 1280872876 0 :calamari!~jeffryj@32.97.110.61 JOIN :#esoteric < 1280872879 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1280872931 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helloooooo calamari. < 1280872995 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi cpressey < 1280873244 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1280873680 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@nat-wireless-guest-reg-158-122.bu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1280873840 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1280873999 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the whole gang! < 1280874127 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1280874136 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's one eBook I can find only in the Kindle store :( < 1280874552 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It's the whole gang"? < 1280875147 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jinkies! < 1280875585 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1280875605 0 :Mathnerd314_!~mathnerd3@nat-wireless-guest-reg-158-122.bu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1280875620 0 :Mathnerd314_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Mathnerd314 < 1280875869 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can someone please do a /me in a few seconds? < 1280875890 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION refuses to cooperate with coppro < 1280875899 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1280876092 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, what nefarious deeds are you up to??? < 1280876123 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :testing my client < 1280876211 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, plans for 2012 clearly