< 1281657652 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know how to pronounce this word? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svirfneblin < 1281657680 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it says at the page, but doesn't help much < 1281657762 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Deep gnomes. < 1281657768 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, perfect ;P < 1281657768 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sveerfneblin? < 1281657792 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The s to v bit is tricky but possible. < 1281657805 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sv I don't have problems with < 1281657815 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the fn that is the main issue < 1281657824 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Two different syllables. < 1281657829 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, hm < 1281657841 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sveerf-neb-lin < 1281657845 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rf isn't that easy either < 1281657868 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Not really. < 1281657870 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how could sv be a problem to pronounce? < 1281657871 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perf-ect < 1281657885 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a rhotic vowel followed by a consonant. :) < 1281657895 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, fnord? < 1281657912 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, yeah how do you pronounce it ? < 1281657926 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :herfnord and hampshire < 1281657934 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1281657951 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You make an f sound, then move your tongue to make an n sound. < 1281657953 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay rhoticism < 1281657993 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, I suppose it's a bit more difficult if it's pronounced rhotically, but it's still possible. < 1281658020 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use the time saying the "f" to move your tongue from the "r" position to the "n" position. < 1281658043 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1281658065 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://membres.multimania.fr/bewulf/Russell/Maya.jpg < 1281658072 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best math notation < 1281658082 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's make an esolang out of that < 1281658104 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. < 1281658112 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That guy is fugly. :D < 1281658132 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-P, I love how it says "in red" and is all black and white < 1281658176 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION storfnyser av AnMasters manglende rfn-uttale < 1281658177 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-P, yet clearly it is a colour scan < 1281658193 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I ... have no idea what you're referring to. < 1281658194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, nä nu får du ge dir! < 1281658196 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dig* < 1281658202 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-P, read the text below that image < 1281658206 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1281658215 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how you're randomly telling Gregor. < 1281658216 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did I confuse Slereah and Gregor-P < 1281658221 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you think i'm being too harsh? :D < 1281658223 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1281658225 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, cal153. < 1281658249 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-P, I guess it was just something I expected you to link and say < 1281658250 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1281658251 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, Flonk. < 1281658256 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ok so i combined stor- and fnyser on the spot, it's still pronouncable) < 1281658263 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, okay, I love how it says "in red" and is all black and white' < 1281658266 0 :Flonk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: hm? < 1281658271 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/'$// < 1281658271 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flonk: nothing < 1281658275 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Eh, we've all done worse. < 1281658277 0 :Flonk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright. < 1281658284 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flonk: not talking to you, you were just my unwilling victim :) < 1281658316 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes in Swedish it works < 1281658326 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, or Norwegian < 1281658328 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: This seems to be an effective way to raise idlers from the dead :P < 1281658338 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, since "uttale" is not Swedish < 1281658353 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, and s/av/åt/ for Swedish < 1281658362 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this IO monady thing might actually work... < 1281658369 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and manglande* < 1281658375 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuu! rodgort! < 1281658377 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wamanuz3! < 1281658395 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314! jix! distant_figure! mtve! Boy are you guys gonna hate me! < 1281658395 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-P, I saw flonk speak earlier today < 1281658403 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_... < 1281658407 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahah < 1281658409 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuu: <3 < 1281658414 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I blame Gregor-P. < 1281658418 0 :Flonk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION lurks around. < 1281658431 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you "fnyser" probably only exists because it sounds funny, anyway < 1281658433 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i balem Gregor-P too < 1281658442 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*blame < 1281658455 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I think it might be partly onemat < 1281658462 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc, sshc Quadrescence SimonRC yiyus_ ! < 1281658479 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1281658488 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Killerkid, Leonidas ineiros! < 1281658496 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LET'S JUST PING EVERYONE LOL < 1281658500 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuu coppro Gregor-L yiyus__ distant_figure mtve SimonRC sshc Deewiant Leonidas Warrigal jix fungot myndzi cal153 Mathnerd314 MizardX Killerkid cpressey jcp Wamanuz3 oerjan cheater99 Phantom_Hoover alise_ CakeProphet sebbu Gregor-P Flonk relet AnMaster Sgeo__ BeholdMyGlory olsner pikhq Slereah lifthrasiir mycroftiv fizzie bsmntbombdood Quadrescence dbc comex rodgort yiyus_ EgoBot HackEgo clog Ilari ineir < 1281658500 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, hah < 1281658501 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :os Ilari_antrcomp chickenzilla < 1281658501 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: you are right, and while it's not implemented yet so it'd be less-than-perfect. < 1281658503 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* ineiros < 1281658510 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1281658514 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to hide < 1281658519 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I noticed I have a metric ton of lovers. < 1281658520 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: Good thing you pinged HackEgo :P < 1281658525 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc, hah < 1281658528 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc: Metric FUCKton, I'll have you know. < 1281658531 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc: ... sweet. < 1281658531 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :onomatopoeion < 1281658539 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, not that one :P < 1281658561 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :onomatopoetic, then < 1281658564 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1281658565 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one < 1281658594 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1281658651 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"he was crushed under a metric fuckton of lovers" < 1281658655 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :less reactions than hoped for < 1281658658 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to say < 1281658672 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :our idlers are professionals, AnMaster. we cannot break their steely determination. < 1281658677 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it worked better when i did < 1281658684 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+it < 1281658686 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1281658689 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too many people have me on ignore < 1281658691 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1281658691 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, hah < 1281658699 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1281658704 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, world cup in idling < 1281658710 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, also MAYBE that means something < 1281658718 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if many people have you ignore < 1281658720 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just saying < 1281658725 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing personal < 1281658729 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a joke. < 1281658734 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody has me on ignore right now. < 1281658735 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I have to go. Will be back sometime or other :) < 1281658741 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At least, nobody who talks at all, ever.) < 1281658743 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: there _was_ a norwegian comedy sketch about that, lemme check youtube < 1281658759 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, thanks < 1281658776 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: ... *I* have you on ignore right now! < 1281658786 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, I'm putting you ALL on ignore! < 1281658786 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I like that Norwegian one about system upgrade from scrolls to book, and calling helpdesk < 1281658798 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mwahahahahaha! < 1281658802 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1281658802 0 :augur!~augur@c-71-196-120-234.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1281658805 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're all so annoying. Even that card.freenode.net fellow. < 1281658806 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXa9yT3EcMU < 1281658826 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, "Even that card.freenode.net fellow." <-- how so? < 1281658886 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: They spammed me with some junk about Orson Scott Card when I connected! < 1281658919 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, bad recording < 1281658928 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1281658960 0 :Flonk!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.8/20100722155716] < 1281658995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes, periodic clicks in the sound < 1281659002 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and strange patterns in the image < 1281659004 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1281659049 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was probably recorded at home by someone during the 70s-80s < 1281659175 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1281659183 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, why couldn't the Swede win ;P < 1281659202 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well THAT musch is obvious < 1281659205 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*much < 1281659206 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, besides they all looked distinctly Norwegian < 1281659207 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO < 1281659227 0 :relet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1281659229 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1281659446 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oerjan Scott Card. That is all. < 1281659455 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(he is a racest) < 1281659462 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most race-est. < 1281659468 0 :chickenzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's just pong alise_ lol < 1281659486 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1281659488 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chickenzilla: Crazy idea. You may be a heathen. < 1281659595 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO PONGING < 1281659615 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whew, you pong. When was the last time you washed?! < 1281659622 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL FUNAY. < 1281659800 0 :CakeProphet!~adam@h36.9.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1281659817 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, no, not very funny at all < 1281659833 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I MAED A FUNAY < 1281659906 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SAY NAY TO FU < 1281660043 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1281660053 0 :augur!~augur@c-71-196-120-234.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1281660116 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU GUYS do you know the SIGNIFICANCE of Thursday? < 1281660141 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HINT: It starts with "New Futur"! < 1281660144 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO T-Rex! Tell me about the significance of Thursday! < 1281660194 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dude if I were T-Rex I'd be slashin' it up with Utahraptor RIGHT NOW. < 1281660221 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to remember if Utahraptor is the gay one or not < 1281660242 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See latest comic :P < 1281660255 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha < 1281660279 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty epic X-P < 1281660317 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bronto needs some sweet lovin' < 1281660320 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe with the girl < 1281660427 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Her heart belongs to T-Rex (who stomps on it) < 1281660438 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-P: http://www.qwantz.com/index.php?comic=1771 Evidently < 1281660444 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :These relationships are polyamorous < 1281660520 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1281660532 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I call Rule 34 on Dinosaur Comics. < 1281660594 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must ... not ... Google ... < 1281660621 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Googling < 1281660621 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DINOSAURS PROBABLY DIDN'T EVEN HAVE PENISES YOU GUYS THAT MAKES FOR LAME PORN < 1281660655 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rule34 images 10001-20000 (download torrent) - TPB < 1281660655 0 :Wamanuz3!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1281660656 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :31 Oct 2009... gary daily dinosaur comics dinosaur comics dromiceiomimus qwantz ..... plz google "rule 34" and it will become apparent to you what it ... < 1281660666 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Methinks that it exists. < 1281660702 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is up with dinosaur comics < 1281660706 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they look... strange < 1281660712 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, not the usual images < 1281660719 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'S called guest comics < 1281660723 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha! < 1281660766 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-P: http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5141335/rule34_images_10_001-20_000 Here, you download this and filter out only the Dinosaur Comics ones. XD < 1281660771 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE WORLD MUST SEE < 1281660784 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... no u < 1281660793 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, what the fuck is that? < 1281660827 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-P: No, I searched "dinosaur comics rule 34" and all that came up was this http://rule34-images.paheal.net/_images/dd585ae25ea540c918685636b3ced97b/144209 - Alyx_Vance Dinosaur Half-Life_2 Half-life comic dino eli_vance gmod raptor.jpg (NSFW NSFM NSFany damn thing) < 1281660850 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I called rule 34 on dinosaur comics, Gregor tried to resist Googling it, I refused to be so petty, googled it, and found a torrent purporting to contain such material. < 1281660860 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1281660868 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how large is that torrent? < 1281660876 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I'm about to download it < 1281660879 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: I see no purporting of such. < 1281660889 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-P, search that list < 1281660890 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 1 GiB. < 1281660890 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is in it < 1281660895 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1281660897 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, download it yourself < 1281660901 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :daily dinosaur comics < 1281660902 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dinosaur comics < 1281660902 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dromiceiomimus < 1281660902 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qwantz < 1281660908 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Hey, I have *dignity*! < 1281660908 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1281660915 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...But not much! Downloading! < 1281660918 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, what, really? < 1281660923 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you? dignity? < 1281660935 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAMMIT, it's all in one big rar < 1281660943 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there are ~no peers. < 1281660952 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fail to combine them in one sentence, and I have problems combining it on one line < 1281660973 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1281661065 0 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1281661258 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-P: Okay ... searching the keywords for dinosaur comics listed in that torrent I have found the source image. < 1281661260 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rule34-images.paheal.net/_images/b2422e6d9ebbae52053d084befb3c51f/280201 - Daily_Dinosaur_Comics Dinosaur_Comics Dromiceiomimus qwantz t-rex tehwalrus webcomic.JPG < 1281661269 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot, in good conscience, recommend loading this URL. < 1281661279 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too late < 1281661306 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bahahahahah < 1281661316 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That ... is awesome. < 1281661359 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should have checked out the URL before clicking < 1281661388 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is possibly the worst drawn T-Rex penis I have ever seen tonight < 1281661394 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*tonight. < 1281661408 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, you seen ones before? ... < 1281661417 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tonight! < 1281661422 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: XD < 1281661527 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No such thing (probably) anyway :P < 1281661537 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much to Gregor-P's dismay. < 1281661550 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALAS < 1281661733 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is tempted to use Cincom Smalltalk for the AW stuff < 1281661765 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least they have may have working FFI right now < 1281661773 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*working decent FFI < 1281662014 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1281662486 0 :CakeProphet!~adam@h26.8.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1281662609 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1281662612 0 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1281663134 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1281663140 0 :augur!~augur@c-71-196-120-234.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1281663329 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, in another channel, I say "tyvm", and that's apparently an "SMSism" < 1281663532 0 :JneTOnope!~xab@gprs11.swisscom-mobile.ch JOIN :#esoteric < 1281663557 0 :JneTOnope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1281663569 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1281663751 0 :JneTOnope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this an english chan only? < 1281663829 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1281663915 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1281663919 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not if you count Befunge, Brainfuck, Malbolge, Feather as being non-english < 1281663922 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. etc. < 1281663951 0 :Gregor-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people speak other languages, but English is certainly the primary language. < 1281663976 0 :Mathnerd314_!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1281664053 0 :Mathnerd314_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Mathnerd314 < 1281664112 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JneTOnope: 英語は普通の言語ですが、他の言語も良い。けど、他の言語が分からないかもしらない。 < 1281664119 0 :JneTOnope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ < 1281664138 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JneTOnope: English is the normal language, but other languages are OK. However, you probably won't be understood in other languages. < 1281664140 0 :JneTOnope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha non moi je voyais plus la langue de Flamel! < 1281664174 0 :JneTOnope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But no prob im gonna try in english! < 1281664236 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :French < 1281664251 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha I saw no more the language of Flamel! according to Google Translate < 1281664256 0 :Gregor-L!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: Good spotting there, captain. < 1281664262 0 :Gregor-L!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Gregor < 1281664319 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :DeannaTroi < 1281664337 0 :JneTOnope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha it's an exacte translate. But this is an expression im french. < 1281664345 0 :JneTOnope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In* < 1281664371 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beep < 1281664372 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boop < 1281664389 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blip < 1281664391 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blip < 1281664393 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what server does the logbot run off of? < 1281664404 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idonno, ask clog < 1281664427 0 :DeannaTroi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see how clog would be able to respond, it's just a bot. < 1281664467 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clog < 1281664470 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :respond! < 1281664537 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parlez-vous français? (I'm reasonably sure I'm not conjugating "parler" correctly. :P) < 1281664595 0 :JneTOnope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's correct. < 1281664601 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, great. < 1281664605 0 :JneTOnope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ < 1281664616 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I speak not your cedelia-having craziness. < 1281664619 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: oui < 1281664629 0 :JneTOnope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pareil! < 1281664663 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JneTOnope, Ja andra språk kanske inte förstås av andra < 1281664665 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Je ne pas le parle. Sil vous le parlez, je ne pas t'aprende. < 1281664683 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a feeling that sometimes the "pas" does not go directly after the "ne". :P < 1281664691 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any mistakes there, or am I on a roll? < 1281664705 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal, I think it may be "Je ne parle pas" < 1281664715 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a "le" there, though. < 1281664716 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my French is rusty to say the least < 1281664720 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that interfere? < 1281664720 0 :JneTOnope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+1 AnMaster < 1281664722 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal, then I don't know < 1281664748 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JneTOnope, I'm much better at Swedish than French < 1281664761 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I about exhausted my French knowledge already < 1281664776 0 :JneTOnope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ve some problème with my swedish sorry. < 1281664783 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Je ne le parle pas. < 1281664784 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1281664791 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still working on the second sentence < 1281664796 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, are you sure about that le there < 1281664799 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems.... wrong < 1281664800 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me < 1281664807 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't parle a verb? < 1281664809 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1281664810 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1281664816 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1281664822 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :parle is a verb; le is a pronoun referring to the antecedent < 1281664823 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Je ne savoi pas antes que je parle françois! There I'm pretty sure I'm conjugating "savoir" incorrectly. < 1281664823 0 :JneTOnope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nô it's right. Je ne LE parle pas < 1281664833 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :le is like the isn't it? < 1281664841 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :french often does < 1281664848 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this case, "le" is "it". < 1281664851 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no fscking clue about the declination or whatever of "parle" < 1281664851 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1281664864 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, "I do not the speak" < 1281664865 0 :JneTOnope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know thé rules better than me coppro ... < 1281664867 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds broken < 1281664883 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal is right; le translates best as it < 1281664886 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1281664893 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :leaving le out is like saying "I do not speak." vs. "I do not speak it." < 1281664900 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1281664913 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except that "I do not speak." would be "Je ne parle pas." < 1281664917 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Je jamais parle! < 1281664923 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, nevermind < 1281664926 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is that "je ne jamais parle pas"? < 1281664933 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue what jamais meant < 1281664940 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Je n'a jamais parler, if I recall correctly < 1281664941 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Jamais" is "never", I'm pretty sure. < 1281664949 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1281664950 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1281664954 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That too. < 1281664969 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least English only have one tricky verb, and that is "be" < 1281664978 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where did the "pas" go there? Does "jamais" replace it? < 1281664981 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the other ones are reasonably straight forward < 1281664982 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: One? Only one? < 1281665001 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, you do first/second/third persons and such the same for all verbs < 1281665007 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for be < 1281665011 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: oh, I moved to a past tense. Je ne parle jamais would be a more appropriate tense, I think < 1281665016 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, French does not afaik < 1281665022 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: We have tons of irregular verbs though. < 1281665033 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, sure, but not in the sense I meant < 1281665036 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The past is simply "a parler"? That's easy. < 1281665045 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, there is stuff like cut and so on < 1281665057 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, it is still "he cuts" not "he cuta" < 1281665059 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait. Germanic speaker -- you're familiar with strong verbs and hence you have fewer problems. :P < 1281665061 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What verb is "a"? "Avoir" comes to mind. < 1281665066 0 :JneTOnope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-->je ne parle jamais^^ < 1281665081 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yes that I don't have a problem with. What I have a problem with is stuff like that I mentioned < 1281665094 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm mentally pronouncing "jamais" like the Spanish "jamáis" would be pronounced, which is probably totally wrong. < 1281665105 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It *is* a problem for most learners of English. < 1281665108 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Native included. < 1281665127 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, well yes to some degree it is a problem < 1281665129 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mostly because there's so *few* of them around that there doesn't seem to be a pattern) < 1281665155 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, but way less of a problem than "I am, you are, he/she/it is" < 1281665167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, and there is only "be" that behaves quite as badly as that < 1281665175 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is still have/has < 1281665190 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think that's is? < 1281665205 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, "If you were to speak French, I would not understand" is "Si vous parlerez francais, je ne vous comprenerais pas." < 1281665216 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Mmm? < 1281665220 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise it is the simple append s (or sometimes es, if plain s doesn't work) < 1281665224 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: is there a pattern? < 1281665227 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for third person singular < 1281665237 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, and French has the le/la problem < 1281665313 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: Yes; they're pretty much all a class of verbs called "strong verbs". They're only considered irregular because English has lost most of its strong verbs, and so they seem to be exceptions to the rule, rather than having rules. < 1281665331 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: Other Germanic languages retain these to a much greater extent. < 1281665354 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Je n'a jamais estudier français, ignorant quand a leger Wikipedia. < 1281665356 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, doesn't strong verbs basically just mean irregular? < 1281665363 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No. < 1281665364 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1281665366 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I was under that impression in Swedish < 1281665369 0 :augur!~augur@c-71-196-120-234.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1281665381 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Just more complex conjugation rules. < 1281665386 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: is there a way to guess whether a word is strong beyond simply looking at its past forms? < 1281665386 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, indeed < 1281665395 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: jamais is like "ZHAM-eh", where ZH is same consonant sound as in Asia, and eh is similar to (but sharper than) the first vowel in lever < 1281665403 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: Past forms? Very much yes. < 1281665432 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it, then? < 1281665436 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: Does the word become past via a vowel change? If so, it's strong. < 1281665456 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, or irregular? < 1281665466 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said "beyond". < 1281665485 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: Oh, *beyond*. < 1281665486 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I'm quite certain "be" is more than just strong, it seems completely irregular < 1281665499 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "be" is completely and utterly irregular. < 1281665510 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what about has? < 1281665515 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or have < 1281665517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather < 1281665536 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do natural languages ever undergo a phase of having no irregularities? < 1281665562 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal, I doubt it, it is going to be left in stuff like be and other commonly used words < 1281665576 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because people can remember it < 1281665588 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, when a language first emerges from the chaos, does it have a phase before irregularities ever develop? < 1281665593 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you wouldn't remember a pattern like "be" if it meant "scratch your head" < 1281665597 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just wouldn't work < 1281665604 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it wouldn't be used often enough < 1281665614 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"to wonder if one should run around aimlessly a bit" < 1281665623 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that < 1281665638 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal, I doubt anyone today knows < 1281665701 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1281665702 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Languages do emerge from the chaos every so often. < 1281665709 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the most recent one was Nigaraguan Sign Language. < 1281665714 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nicaraguan, rather. < 1281665759 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1281665780 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal, constructed languages is where you should look for all regular < 1281665786 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lojban probably < 1281665788 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1281665793 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, Lojban is all regular. < 1281665809 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal, you speak it iirc? < 1281665814 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though, strangely, it has a single word for "my name is" that is not used for sentences like "his name is" or "my dog is". < 1281665818 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, kind of. < 1281665821 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better than French. < 1281665836 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Though, strangely, it has a single word for "my name is" that is not used for sentences like "his name is" or "my dog is". <-- what the fuck? < 1281665838 0 :DeannaTroi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :la uorygl. nanmu < 1281665846 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :having such a word < 1281665848 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean < 1281665856 0 :DeannaTroi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I missed a ., didn't I < 1281665857 0 :DeannaTroi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1281665865 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DeannaTroi: yeah, before "uorygl". < 1281665879 0 :JneTOnope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Che cazzo dite?!! Parlate italiano minchia!! < 1281665897 0 :DeannaTroi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cxu iu parolas Esperanton? < 1281665910 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lo siento, mi italiano es peor que mi francés. < 1281665927 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mi esperanto es aún peor que mi italiano. < 1281665930 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nä nu får det vara nog me alla dessa sörlänningars språk, lite gammal hederlig Svenska eller Norska nu! < 1281665937 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eller vad säger du oerjan? < 1281665951 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :svenska* norska* < 1281665952 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mi... como se llama... < 1281665978 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mi sueco es aún peor que mi esperanto. < 1281665980 0 :DeannaTroi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"lo" used to have a very specific meaning in Lojban. Now, it means whatever you want it to mean < 1281665987 0 :JneTOnope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :E parlo spagnolo comme una vacca tedesca.. < 1281665987 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DeannaTroi: yup. < 1281665997 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "lo" used to have a very specific meaning in Lojban. Now, it means whatever you want it to mean <-- huh? < 1281666001 0 :JneTOnope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holland! < 1281666029 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: "lo gerku" used to mean "a/the dog". Now it means "that which is related to dogs somehow, or which I felt like referring to using the word 'dog' for some reason". < 1281666057 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal, huh, can a language like that develop < 1281666063 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems so... fixed < 1281666082 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, night < 1281666084 0 :DeannaTroi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lojban is a constructed language < 1281666087 0 :DeannaTroi!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Sgeo < 1281666094 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, it's like every "the" has scare quotes after it. < 1281666102 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"lo gerku" now means "the 'dog'". < 1281666103 0 :Zuu!zuu@0x55529f1b.adsl.cybercity.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1281666103 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1281666103 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1281666116 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuu: your cloak is ineffective. < 1281666120 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ma mo ma ma ma ma < 1281666130 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go'i < 1281666132 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Zuu (zuu@0x55529f1b.adsl.cybercity.dk) has joined #esoteric < 1281666132 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Zuu has quit (Changing host) < 1281666132 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Zuu (zuu@unaffiliated/zuu) has joined #esoteric < 1281666134 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is indeed < 1281666141 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :identify before joining < 1281666145 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the keyword < 1281666149 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or keyphrase I guess < 1281666159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night really → < 1281666168 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The key phrase. < 1281666170 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION puts AnMaster to sleep < 1281666218 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, I have to wonder if you found #jbopre too scary for your taste. >.> < 1281666237 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal, I just forgot about its existence, is all < 1281666266 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods. < 1281666292 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1281666307 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1281666312 0 :augur!~augur@c-71-196-120-234.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1281666554 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I find that for my codenomic, I'm looking for a scripting language whose entire state is easily made persistent. Does anyone have any recommendations? < 1281666613 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JavaScript doesn't really seem to have that, you see. < 1281666628 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure it does < 1281666643 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dump variables and eval < 1281666662 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the "dump variables" part is the hard-sounding part. < 1281666679 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smalltalk! < 1281666738 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, except for GNU Smalltalk, that's practically what Smalltalk _is_ < 1281666757 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except maybe for the scripting language part < 1281666768 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's dynamic and has an API, it's a scripting language. < 1281666774 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In all honestly, Smalltalk. < 1281666778 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: actually i think the past is "a parlé", not "a parler" < 1281666781 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Embarrassingly, I didn't know Python had an API until now. < 1281666813 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Smalltalk also have security, like callbacks when one person's code tries to read someone else's data? < 1281666843 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, um... you could probably write code that does that < 1281666853 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And threading? < 1281666856 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1281666861 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends, but likely. < 1281666863 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's good. < 1281666892 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what weird thisContext-related magic would be required to accomplish the security though < 1281666937 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm certain it's theoretically possible, though. It might be easy, might not be < 1281666971 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, we could all just learn Newspeak, but IMO it's too... new < 1281667021 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.gnu.org/software/smalltalk/manual/html_node/Security.html#Security < 1281667035 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conclusion: GNU Smalltalk is inherently, inalienably insecure. :P < 1281667037 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't use GNU Smalltalk < 1281667051 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not for that reason, though. It's not image-based < 1281667056 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1281667064 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And has extra syntax stuff < 1281667082 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you said "except for". < 1281667083 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all smell-based! < 1281667084 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, if Magma works on GNU Smalltalk, I guess it would be usable < 1281667108 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU Smalltalk is weird, and it smells funny. < 1281667145 0 :JneTOnope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye < 1281667146 0 :JneTOnope!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1281667207 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: so, what implementation would you recommend? < 1281667240 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless there's some implementation that I don't know about that has object-capability-based security, Pharo < 1281667252 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's nice and open-sourced under the MIT license < 1281667360 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tempted to implement JavaScript myself. :P < 1281667371 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That can be, like, a neat little side project or something. < 1281667513 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION once again pushes towards Smalltalk < 1281667521 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a bit obsessed < 1281667533 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1281667578 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Familiarity with JavaScript made me gravitate toward it! < 1281668111 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, RandalSchwartz suggests that locking things down might be very difficult < 1281668120 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : as an exercise, someone put up a Seaside image that in theory had a "safe" smalltalk execution window. And after six attempts to lock it down, based on friendly feedback from squeak-dev, it was taken down and declared a failure. < 1281668204 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, do you actually need users to be able to try code on the image? < 1281668222 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is pretty much *the* feature that I need. < 1281668236 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My codenomic doesn't need to have any other features. :P < 1281668375 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal, get in #squeak < 1281670639 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1281671210 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1281672052 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1281674051 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal, so Smalltalk prettyprettyplease? < 1281674075 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Write Smalltalk -> llvm < 1281674112 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm asking myself to go with JavaScript about the same way as you're asking me to go with Smalltalk. < 1281674270 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going to take my sleepysleepynightnight pills now < 1281674286 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good night. < 1281674327 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Benadryl + Melatonin < 1281674338 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dad suggested it. I'm assuming it's ok < 1281674370 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would guess that melatonin doesn't really interact with anything. When in doubt, ask a pharmacist. < 1281674374 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a doctor. < 1281674410 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My dad's a doctor, so < 1281674422 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, cool. < 1281674482 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/tmp/GRegor-op13-mov2-wipp3-beginning.pdf Have some sheet music y'all! < 1281674774 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could always go Lua < 1281674780 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has great sandboxing capabilities < 1281674818 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I don't know how easy it would be to protect interactions with others code < 1281675248 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION begins imagining how exactly he'd sandbox Smalltalk stuff < 1281675268 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have a root class and its metaclass have an inaccessible class < 1281675277 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scan for and forbid primitives < 1281675315 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intercept messages, make sure that the only thing that can access instance variables is itself < 1281675450 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disconnecting soon < 1281675467 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds a lot easier with SpiderMonkey. < 1281675503 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Howso? < 1281675518 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you write the protections in Javascript? < 1281675520 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you don't have to examine the code; you can just have a callback. < 1281675552 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm.. sure that's somehow doable in Smalltalk < 1281675568 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instance variables should be the easiest to protect thing < 1281675658 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, just intercept instVarAt: < 1281675660 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And related < 1281675716 0 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1281675723 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Computer off < 1281675741 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Computer Orff < 1281675767 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should put the phone down and sleep < 1281675788 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ill do that right now, in fact < 1281675791 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1281675943 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1281676274 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xkcd seems to be going for the wtf lately < 1281676450 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1281676575 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since over fifteen minutes ago, the nick lengths of the people who speak have steadily been increasing in increments of two. < 1281676580 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how long this pattern will continue. < 1281676602 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for long < 1281676611 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it's just sort of oscillating. :P < 1281677090 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1281677445 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1281677457 0 :augur!~augur@c-71-196-120-234.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1281678736 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1281680797 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1281681065 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to reorganize my music page ... eventually for every piece I'll have OGG, MP3, FLAC, DPR, DPR-pedal, PDF, RG and Ly files. That's a lot of files! Hard to make them all accessible and yet not just be a confusing mess. < 1281682590 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise needs 2 stfu. < 1281682681 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People say that quite often in fact. < 1281683970 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1281686269 0 :Quadrescence!~Quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence JOIN :#esoteric < 1281686399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1281686400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1281688329 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1281688498 0 :Quadrescence!~Quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence JOIN :#esoteric < 1281692367 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-8-249.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1281694544 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@92.233.174.117 JOIN :#esoteric < 1281695302 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1281695639 0 :Flonk!~chatzilla@80-123-47-154.adsl.highway.telekom.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1281695649 0 :Flonk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good morning everyone. < 1281695659 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good morning, Flonk. < 1281697588 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, the Lazy K IO quasi-monad works! < 1281698184 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Or not. < 1281698786 0 :cal153!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1281698943 0 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1281699020 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: New quit message. Entering 2006 in style. < 1281699600 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1281699692 0 :Wamanuz2!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1281699949 0 :Wamanuz!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1281700460 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl29-2-0-cust326.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1281702703 0 :Wamanuz3!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1281702764 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1281702792 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-8-249.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1281702832 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1281702904 0 :Wamanuz2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1281703187 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1281703239 0 :tombom_!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1281703382 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1281704343 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha, found the problem. < 1281704355 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You weren't using Smalltalk? < 1281704398 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole *point* was to use Lazy K. < 1281704431 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I'm really compiling to Lazy K from the lambda calculus. < 1281704473 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esolangs are exempted from the "It needs to be Smalltalk" rule that I unilaterally claim is in place < 1281704478 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem was that I was appending the arrays incorrectly. < 1281704606 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, it still doesn't work... < 1281704783 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it could be because it's trying to evaluate the input before it does any output... < 1281704854 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, no, it needs to be haskell < 1281704858 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless an esolang < 1281704888 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you translate the SKI calculus straight into Haskell? < 1281704900 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the typesystem will get in the way. < 1281704944 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I thought so < 1281704962 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell (\x y z -> x z (y z)) id id < 1281705039 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Remember the discussion the other day about Linux/ELF wasting space for linking functions by name always? I recently saw a rather crafty trick to work around that; description follows, but will take me a while to write. < 1281705147 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, bind works in certain circumstances! < 1281705156 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah interesting < 1281705159 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1281705170 0 :tombom_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1281705184 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(bind (return str) putstr) works as expected, so I suppose there's hope. < 1281705266 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe not, since that could imply that it's a problem with the base language, not my code. < 1281705362 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1281705399 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now (bind (putstr str) return) works properly as well, so now I just need to try composing IO actions. < 1281705408 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, there's this "DT_DEBUG" tag you can put to an ELF file's dynamic section, and if it is there, the dynamic linker will put the (runtime) address of a r_debug struct in there. < 1281705422 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the components of r_debug is a linked-list chain of r_map structures, one for each loaded library object. In the r_map, there's (among other stuff) the base address where the library was loaded (this time), and a pointer to the library's dynamic section. < 1281705438 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, the trick is to put only the libs you want as "DT_NEEDED" values into your dynamic section, but to include no symbol table or symbol relocs at all. < 1281705453 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead, there's a table of hash values (say 4-byte ones) of all the symbols you want to look up. Then at the entry point there's a bit of code that goes through the library chain, the symbol table of each library, hashes thesymbol names there, and compares against your table. < 1281705477 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the hashes match, it adds the library base from r_map to the symbol value, and replaces it in the table. < 1281705492 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you can use those values as function pointers to call the functions. < 1281705517 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it assumes there won't be any hash conflicts, but there "probably" won't be, at least unless you link to a whole lot of libs. < 1281705626 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The entry point code takes about a hundred bytes; what you save depends on things like how much better the names would compress than the hashes (probably somewhat), how many symbols you need, and so on. < 1281705730 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I disassembled this stuff out of the Linux 4k asm2010 entry -- http://sprunge.us/KVeb -- but it turns out it's using someone else's code, that's borrowed from yet another someone else, and those are freely available somewhere. Still, I don't mind the exercise. < 1281705750 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That linker bit is also a bit suboptimal; mine is few bytes smaller.) < 1281705805 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course the whole DT_DEBUG only works with glibc's dynamic linker. The ELF spec says of the tag: "DT_DEBUG: This member is used for debugging. Its contents are not specified for the ABI; programs that access this entry are not ABI-conforming." < 1281705846 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's officially used by gdb to grok the dynamic linking environment better.) < 1281705868 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phew, that was quite a monologue. < 1281705959 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1281706063 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1281706063 0 :MizardX-!~MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1281706065 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very much so < 1281706142 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently there's a pile of Linux 1k intros, all using this thing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKX1wKUIzyc and also Th0WBoevI9Y .. viqkXLxaVxo .. eD3JMvCY6hE < 1281706144 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1281706151 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're all pretty one-effect-only, but, well, 1k. < 1281706152 0 :MizardX-!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :MizardX < 1281706334 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also no soundtrack, which is a shame, but perhaps also understandable. < 1281706340 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so? < 1281706382 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, /dev/dsp should be more than enough for these purposes < 1281706420 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You still need code to actually make the sort of sounds people would like to listen to. < 1281706426 0 :alise!~alise@91.104.239.187 JOIN :#esoteric < 1281706447 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, got the monady IO half-working. < 1281706450 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows 1k's are again more impressive-looking: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMaNxyHhH6A < 1281706454 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay. < 1281707303 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION impatiently waits for new Futurama to be posted < 1281707564 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the meantime, I'll try watching some SGU < 1281707648 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:31:02 Yeah, the "dump variables" part is the hard-sounding part. < 1281707652 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can iterate through objects < 1281707655 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :including window < 1281707694 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION would rather Smalltalk < 1281707709 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but you're in your obsession phase and thus are best ignored for such opinions < 1281707718 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I did some work on a SmallNomic at one point...) < 1281707747 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has my obsession for a language ever been as strong as now? < 1281707776 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but that's just because you're being a neophile; Smalltalk is very different. < 1281707781 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has many flaws. < 1281707795 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Vorpal < 1281707865 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, explain. < 1281707878 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not compiled, might be a bit slow? Ok, what are some actual flaws? < 1281707879 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, explain what? < 1281707887 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, the name change. < 1281707890 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and no object-capabilities < 1281707899 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is why I'm looking forward to Newspeak someday < 1281707899 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I decided to try a new nick, got tried of my old one < 1281707909 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, it isn't like that is unknown to happen < 1281707918 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, what were you before/ < 1281707935 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, .... look in scrollback, some 10 lines up < 1281707941 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and see what I changed from < 1281707950 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then stop acting stupid < 1281707967 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, OK, that was badly-worded. < 1281707980 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What nick changes have you had before AnMaster? < 1281708002 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, hm none, I meant that it wasn't unknown for it to happen in general < 1281708014 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird → tusho → alise < 1281708016 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as an example < 1281708022 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He was tusho? < 1281708030 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a strange name. < 1281708030 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, at one point yes < 1281708037 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird → tusho → ehird → alise < 1281708041 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it was fairly arbitrary < 1281708041 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ah true < 1281708063 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to have stuck with alise, though; the confusion it occasionally causes is worth it. < 1281708066 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes snicker-snack < 1281708091 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that fits with alise < 1281708096 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unintentional actually < 1281708112 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be alice for that to work best though < 1281708122 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Phantom_Hatter < 1281708127 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1281708150 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah mad hatter is registered < 1281708157 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mad_hatter* < 1281708171 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :borogove < 1281708178 0 :Phantom_Hatter!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*orogrove < 1281708181 0 :borogove!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm terribly mimsy. < 1281708183 0 :Phantom_Hatter!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*borogrove < 1281708191 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you are < 1281708199 0 :Phantom_Hatter!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Mome_rath < 1281708200 0 :borogove!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hatter: erm, no < 1281708209 0 :borogove!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's borogove. < 1281708211 0 :Mome_rath!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh? < 1281708212 0 :Mome_rath!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1281708215 0 :borogove!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1281708220 0 :borogove!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mome_rath: You outgrabing? < 1281708223 0 :Mome_rath!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1281708227 0 :borogove!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :slithytove < 1281708235 0 :slithytove!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gyres and gimbles in the wabe < 1281708235 0 :Mome_rath!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Wabe < 1281708245 0 :slithytove!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not intend that sexually. < 1281708250 0 :Wabe!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Bandersnatch < 1281708261 0 :slithytove!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Jabberwock < 1281708266 0 :Bandersnatch!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION feels frumious < 1281708270 0 :Jabberwock!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have jaws that bite, and claws that catch! < 1281708281 0 :Bandersnatch!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :JubJub_bird < 1281708295 0 :Jabberwock!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't described. < 1281708297 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha! < 1281708297 0 :Jabberwock!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :alise < 1281708301 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes snicker-snack! < 1281708302 0 :JubJub_bird!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't, is it? < 1281708310 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Too late, I'm alise now. < 1281708315 0 :JubJub_bird!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Tum-tum < 1281708316 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, indeed I saw that < 1281708324 0 :Tum-tum!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Tum-tum_tree < 1281708331 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1281708332 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, what are Smalltalk's flaws? < 1281708334 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, I'm not alise_human. < 1281708340 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can just say Tum-tum. < 1281708343 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I'll explain later. < 1281708348 0 :Tum-tum_tree!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Snark < 1281708373 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I just realised. < 1281708376 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm Alise in Wonderland. < 1281708382 0 :Snark!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Boojum < 1281708392 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I said that above < 1281708397 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION decides that alise is slow < 1281708401 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bellman is used :( < 1281708406 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1281708417 0 :Boojum!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone switch to "Baker", if possible. < 1281708419 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, and yes, I agree with you < 1281708431 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think anyone is that insane :P < 1281708455 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Vorpal_ < 1281708456 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Baker < 1281708459 0 :Vorpal_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Vorpal < 1281708471 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, since I'm likely switching to this as my main nick < 1281708474 0 :Baker!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1281708486 0 :Boojum!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That should have been soft and sudden. < 1281708488 0 :alise!~alise@91.104.239.187 JOIN :#esoteric < 1281708495 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : That should have been soft and sudden. < 1281708498 0 :Boojum!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Phantom_Hatter < 1281708514 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did my part message come through? < 1281708517 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* You have left channel #esoteric ("for the Snark WAS a Boojum, you see") < 1281708525 0 :Phantom_Hatter!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It did < 1281708540 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The SGU pilot seems rather... different. High-quality visually, or something < 1281708546 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, ? < 1281708555 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Well, if you're watching it in HD, that would explain it. < 1281708566 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is very high-budget. < 1281708662 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1281708725 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, what is SGU here? < 1281708736 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stargate Universe < 1281709282 0 :Phantom_Hatter!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1281709303 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1281710102 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@78.104.81.79 JOIN :#esoteric < 1281710155 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 5 years or so, we should make a Newspeak nomic! < 1281710179 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm more enamored with the idea of Newspeak than I am Smalltalk, but it's nowhere near ready for use with anything right now IMO < 1281710330 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1281710447 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, you make less sense than zzo atm < 1281710456 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can't be having with that < 1281710474 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing I said should have been unintelligable < 1281710480 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To someone with the power of Google < 1281710521 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, Newspeak's kind of hard to Google for. Here's a hint: It's a programming language. Nother hint: Related to smalltalk. Full explanation: It's object-capability based < 1281710536 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1281710547 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, I knew only about the 1984 sense of that word < 1281710649 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1281710658 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I love it when my Internet connection disconnects for no apparent reason. Don't you? < 1281710791 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1281711151 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume the show after SGU will have 10-chevron addresses? < 1281711777 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1281712353 0 :cpressey!~CPressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1281712404 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Unlikely. < 1281712405 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi cpressey. < 1281712412 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Morning alise < 1281712427 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Afternoon, cpressey. < 1281712443 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, why not? That's been the pattern, hasn't it? from 7 (normal) to 8 to 9 < 1281712457 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the 10th chevron leads to parallel universes < 1281712469 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Because "Air, Part 1" states there is only one 9-chevron address. < 1281712482 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"THE" nine-chevron address found in the Ancient database, < 1281712500 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. < 1281712518 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going to watch from the top < 1281712522 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the fact that when they fix their 9-chevron dialing in Air, Part 1 it still leads to the same place where the "intended" dialing would go ... or something < 1281712529 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: have you watched Air, Part 1 yet? < 1281712532 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not IGNORE PREVIOUS MESSAGE < 1281712534 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, um, parts < 1281712538 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not a huge spoiler, but eh) < 1281712549 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm looking for a different source right now < 1281712557 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since YouTube took down one of the parts apparently < 1281712560 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: I know a torrent of an HD version of episodes 1-10... < 1281712571 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh < 1281712652 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does your father say torrents are bad, too? x_x < 1281712728 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say I don't like torrents. Too slow, and too difficult to get one ep at a time < 1281712736 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahaha, too slow. < 1281712746 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you have a shitty, shitty ISP that blocks torrent traffic. < 1281712768 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Popular torrents regularly download at 800 KiB/s for me, and I don't have a very good connection. < 1281712780 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Difficult to get one ep? Excuse me, you just only check the box for that one episode. < 1281712781 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously. < 1281712793 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Open a .torrent in Transmission, it lists all the files, click the outermost folder to decheck everything, check the one episode. < 1281712795 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1281712796 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sheesh. < 1281712816 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then how long does it take to get that one ep? < 1281712825 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh, what? < 1281712833 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hahaha, too slow. < 1281712835 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Because you have a shitty, shitty ISP that blocks torrent traffic. < 1281712835 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Popular torrents regularly download at 800 KiB/s for me, and I don't have a very good connection. < 1281712846 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1281712895 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The HD SGU rip is around 100 KiB/s for me, but that's because my upload isn't very good, making other clients dislike me, and because I insisted on getting the Blu-Ray rip rather than a saner, better-seeded HDTV rip. < 1281712942 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: If your connection can handle it, very-well-seeded torrents surpass any other kind of download except perhaps crazy metalink madness; you can download your favourite version of Ubuntu at something like 40 MiB/s. < 1281712987 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also the issue of disk space... < 1281713000 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much of it do you have? < 1281713205 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.36GB. A bit more than I thought < 1281713253 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't realise Active Worlds took up so much space. < 1281713258 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Either that or you own the World's Smallest Hard Disk.) < 1281713317 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using about 6GB to store AW cache files. I could delete them, but I'm a cache pack rat < 1281713378 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jesus christ, you are insane. < 1281713411 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION isn't Jesus Christ. < 1281713552 0 :relet!~thomas@c905DBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1281714013 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: I do note that you did not object to the "insane" bit. < 1281714057 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Heh, ClickToFlash uses YouTube's for-iPhone H.264 files to play without Flash. Sounds like an interesting route; FLV is pretty shit. < 1281714184 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's just ?fmt=18. < 1281714225 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1281714514 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Off to watch SGU pilot < 1281714544 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Parts 1 & 2? < 1281714549 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1281714549 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Part 1 isn't the pilot, just the cut syndication version. < 1281714552 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pedant! < 1281714771 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems that Google Public DNS' FAQ never actually says "No, we won't log your requests." < 1281714773 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Creepy. < 1281714818 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, it does: < 1281714819 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What information does Google log when I use the Google Public DNS service? < 1281714820 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google Public DNS complies with Google's main privacy policy, which you can view at our Privacy Center. With Google Public DNS, we collect IP address (only temporarily) and ISP and location information (in permanent logs) for the purpose of making our service faster, better and more secure. Specifically, we use this data to conduct debugging, to analyze abuse phenomena and to improve our prefetching feature. After 24 hours, we erase any IP information. For < 1281714820 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : more information, read the Google Public DNS privacy page. < 1281714835 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries namebench < 1281714858 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Location information" in this case means, of course, which room of your house you were in when you made the request < 1281714883 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also the location of your body, e.g. whether or not you were wearing clothes. < 1281714893 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1281714986 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/zaOpT.png < 1281715109 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1281715115 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OpenDNS resolves www.google.com as google.navigation.opendns.com. < 1281715117 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very shady. < 1281715124 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1281715137 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrt a problem related to it: "We're going to fix this ASAP. This happens if you have shortcuts enabled in your account. A temporary fix is to turn off shortcuts. A permanent fix will be put in place tomorrow morning." < 1281715154 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can disable it, but... between that and the shitty ad-search you get on an unresolved domain by default: < 1281715155 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck it, I'll take Google. < 1281715159 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or whatever namebench suggests. < 1281715273 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, a Tk interface that /doesn't/ make me want to puke. < 1281715275 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like it uses Tile. < 1281715279 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figures. < 1281715289 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, no. < 1281715294 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool. < 1281715351 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DUN QUERY THE LOT YO < 1281715514 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1281715514 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1281715518 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1281715533 0 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1281715590 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi Hack/Ego/Bot. < 1281716243 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1281716265 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal, my cloak was very effective with regards to the reason i got it. < 1281716290 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"...Sexy reasons." < 1281716293 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It even led to fixing of the ircd < 1281716324 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Howso? < 1281716370 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got the cloak for the reason of testing if peoples hostmasks could change silently, which i found that they could < 1281716393 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :later the ircd guis decided to fix that 'problem' < 1281716396 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*guys < 1281716478 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really dont care if people have my IP, in fact i might get more visitors on my website if i cared to remove my cloak < 1281716533 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now they do a fake reconnect thing. < 1281716534 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Craaaazy < 1281716560 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, i couldnt come up with a better solution, other than altering the protocol < 1281716562 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Freenode, of course they're crazy. < 1281716579 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuu: How about as a nick change? < 1281716592 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Zuu!old@host is now known as Zuu!new/host < 1281716603 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wouldnt suggest a change of the actual host part of the hostmask < 1281716613 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suggest to whom? < 1281716625 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone on the network < 1281716645 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does to humans. < 1281716690 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we both know that not only humans are connected to this network :) < 1281716691 0 :cheater109!~cheater@p5B216917.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1281716717 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuu: I also know not of a single bot that cares to know when someone's hostname changes, rather than just looking it up when required. < 1281716735 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my bot would care < 1281716738 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bots may be fine, but what about all the _clients_? < 1281716744 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you know of at least one, hence i tested it ;) < 1281716759 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they might be trying to understand nicks too, and not expect !'s in them < 1281716781 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or their relevant commands) < 1281716821 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough, I just don't think it's a Big Deal < 1281716825 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also think cloaks are stupid. < 1281716847 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd just make the ircd not display any IPs, what's the point of revealing them? < 1281716863 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise!~alise@. < 1281716868 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :making it possible to ban people? < 1281716887 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Cloaks stop that anyway; banning with cloaks ~= banning an account < 1281716908 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1281716947 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1281716976 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. i expect ordinary bans are not the main defense against people "clever" enough to manipulate their irc identity, anyway. < 1281716989 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not that i actually _know_) < 1281717014 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :manipulate? cloaks are officially supported :-P < 1281717015 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more that bans send a message: "Go the fuck away. Seriously." < 1281717017 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just ask for one < 1281717027 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, circumventing bans is really awfully easy < 1281717030 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: manipulate by changing things after being banned, duh < 1281717032 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so /shrug < 1281717034 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ah. < 1281717050 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you mean... not identifying to your account (if using cloaks)? < 1281717053 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sad thing is when even that message is unreceived < 1281717057 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's clever < 1281717058 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1281717061 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :real difficult < 1281717072 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or getting a new account < 1281717083 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@kekkonen.cs.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1281717088 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or changing IPs < 1281717110 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or anything. < 1281717123 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are the obvious ways to me, anyway < 1281717582 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I played ZAngband again last night. After not playing it for ... well, years. < 1281717622 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's all. I don't have anything interesting to say about it. < 1281717635 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it any good? :P < 1281717656 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a great time-waster... < 1281717685 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit annoying on a laptop keyboard where you have to Fn your way to a pseudo-numeric-keypad. < 1281717764 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess, as far as Moriaoids go, it's my favourite. Even though I'm rather meh about Zelanzy proper. < 1281717861 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION devises Gnomic < 1281717874 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Zelazny < 1281717905 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zen-lanzy. < 1281717908 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*lazny < 1281718018 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lazy zen < 1281718053 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey hey, this is a goood idea < 1281718057 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Gnomic) < 1281718059 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, relatively. < 1281718096 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lazy zen, where the sound of one hand clapping is merely regarded as a partial evaluation of the act of clapping < 1281718102 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moribund moriaoids < 1281718122 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah, where's that nomic ... < 1281718284 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know: That one nomic. < 1281718309 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one nomic to bind them all? < 1281718342 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait a minute < 1281718349 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, in 5 years, want to help with NewspeakNomic? < 1281718378 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-all, or *rule < 1281718403 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: I believe your opinion on Newspeak is terribly wrong, but also that Newspeak Nomic is not a very interesting idea. < 1281718431 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How am I terribly wrong about Newspeak? < 1281718478 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe your opinion that "Newspeak isn't ready for use for anything" is wrong; things are not not-ready-for-use merely because they are young, and Newsqueak rests on the shoulders of giants -- i.e. Squeak -- meaning it inherits all the useful things from Squeak. < 1281718483 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore there is no particular reason Newsqueak is not ready for use. < 1281718499 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Newspeak the language itself is relatively solid and I see no reason not to consider it mature. < 1281718519 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, Newsqueak is probably not very useful; but that is only because Squeak itself is not very useful, with its detached-world philosophy. < 1281718524 0 :tombom_!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1281718561 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't the syntax still undergoing changes? < 1281718566 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also believe that real-world-usefulness of a language is /completely and utterly irrelevant/ for nomic. It's a bloody game. < 1281718597 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: I don't know; I don't think it's undergoing /significant/ syntactic revision, if it is undergoing any at all; and besides, Newsqueak probably won't catch up to the changes for a while if it's changing a lot. < 1281718685 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1281718951 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goosqueak < 1281719052 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Reference to the GOO language, I hope! < 1281719074 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The impression I got is that the creators of Newspeak want it to become smaller over time. If they're also ignoring the idea of a release cycle and just saying "the syntax is subject to change", they're dead in the water w.r.t. "real world usefulness". < 1281719085 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1281719101 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I think they're more trying out syntax theoretically, rather than actually fucking with the prototype language. < 1281719103 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: It wasn't, but if there is such a language, I change my vote! < 1281719286 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: http://googoogaga.org/ < 1281719310 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: It's a "theoretical-style OOP" (i.e. not Javaesque) Lisp-syntaxed typed thingy. < 1281719319 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorta (pretty) dormant, but there you go. < 1281719360 0 :cheater209!~cheater@p549737B2.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1281719423 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I change my vote again < 1281719544 0 :cheater99!~cheater@p5B217BCB.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1281719546 0 :cheater109!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1281719571 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Wha? GOO is great. < 1281719575 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite innovative. < 1281719594 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very interesting. < 1281719644 0 :cheater209!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1281719665 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The article on "Why" is completely non-compelling. < 1281719859 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever; it's interesting and that's that. < 1281719924 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: It's not like it has a shitty object system; typed multimethods. < 1281719973 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Typed how? < 1281719979 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: It also uses Smalltalk-style save images, avoiding e.g. file IO. < 1281720038 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have failed to find an article so far on that site that actually informs me of "what the deal is with the language", so to speak. < 1281720076 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bad at justifying themselves != bad < 1281720093 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://people.csail.mit.edu/jrb/goo/goo-intro.pdf gets close, I guess. < 1281720096 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not saying it's bad. < 1281720193 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Predicate types -- I assume this means not statically checked < 1281720213 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Based on, if they were statically checked, they would say "dependent types") < 1281720228 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( at dormancy < 1281720431 0 :Flonk_!~chatzilla@80-123-32-213.adsl.highway.telekom.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1281720452 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, apparently, "Internal correctness checks (e.g., typechecking) to avoid errors" < 1281720544 0 :Flonk!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1281720547 0 :Flonk_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Flonk < 1281720658 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And types are also optional. < 1281720669 0 :Gregor-W!836b416f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.131.107.65.111 JOIN :#esoteric < 1281720713 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Freenode webchat introduced a capcha. Since when has re-capcha presented only non-words? < 1281720739 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*captcha < 1281720745 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatevz < 1281720751 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :“If --recaptcha < 1281720760 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sure hope you accept Unicode, bitch. < 1281720770 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently. < 1281720779 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently indeed. < 1281720792 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What do you mean, non-words? < 1281720802 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, the fact that the words don't make any sense? < 1281720807 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foreign, perhaps? < 1281720810 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got "said" just now. < 1281720814 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1281720821 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fact that they're not English words. < 1281720852 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two guesses: (a) Foreign (they appear to be in a different style to some English words, suggesting a foreign-language book); (b) litmus tests to see how accurate the enterer is at transcribing the words < 1281720854 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"varrify" "joicang" "woodles" <-- three words I just snagged < 1281720864 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(e.g. if you transcribed "fijrg verily" as "penis penis", it'd reject it) < 1281720865 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"varrify" is obviously just a tpyo < 1281720888 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well recaptcha is the clever one that includes one word they know and one word they're trying to farm out the OCR on. < 1281720888 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: Time for Jabberwocky 2: Electric Boogaloo. < 1281720911 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It makes me feel dirty and used and yet I respect it. < 1281720926 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: They only know it from other people, though. < 1281720934 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yeah < 1281720963 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(UNRELATED) It amuses me that LilyPond's motto is "Music notation for everyone" < 1281720971 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When really it's "Music notation for people who can figure out TeX" < 1281721015 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W, I think I like this show < 1281721029 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The joicang woodles varrified / as finett aspions, excurely / lownsanned mummium. < 1281721029 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tremen parosides scantr / while isixing coucrics havese / and torkne offmanes grasik. < 1281721035 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: Yeah, why are music tools for Linux so crap? < 1281721042 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: I blame you, of course. < 1281721042 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Uh, LilyPond is excellent. < 1281721052 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: LilyPond is fucking amazing. < 1281721072 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, modulo typesetting tools. < 1281721078 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't do music, but if I did, fuck yeah, LilyPond. Extremely high-quality typesetting of musical notation, no fucking with stupid GUIs. < 1281721094 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've wasted I don't know how many hours now just trying to get Rosegarden to run. < 1281721094 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I need a GUI for inputting music :P < 1281721126 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. I've gotten used Rosegarden. It's not great ... I actually output LilyPond from Rosegarden, then make changes to that. To keep that maintainable I keep the whole thing in an hg repo with the original and modified in different branches X_X < 1281721174 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really what helps the most in Rosegarden is just MIDI input :P < 1281721184 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's basically just sufficient to allow me to input from MIDI, then output LilyPond :P < 1281721208 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My computer can play video no problem, oh but to deal with MIDI, I need a "kernel that supports high resolution timing"? < 1281721244 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The joicang woodles varrified / as finett aspions, excurely / lownsanned mummium. < 1281721244 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tremen parosides scantr / while isixing coucrics havese / and torkne offmanes grasik. < 1281721244 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Apskins," said the conept / "with marmods, schervy / these very fouttis oundir / and thfiert backabil. < 1281721244 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Verily, Zeman the Inindor / as stmatans and euntions / ofertifts so manionly / as tarlber and scrairefs too." < 1281721248 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: You realize you can ignore that warning, right? < 1281721255 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: You are truly an artiste. < 1281721267 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: Just call me Alise Carroll. < 1281721273 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1281721274 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Wonderland. < 1281721294 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: Well no, I didn't. I don't normally assume I can safely ignore warnings. < 1281721338 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Basically without such a kernel it doesn't know quite when the MIDI data has made it through that whole subsystem and actually been spit out as sound, so it can't keep the play bar perfectly in sync with the output. Still works though, it's just not perfectly synchronized. < 1281721372 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also if you had other audio it wouldn't be able to coordinate it, but I never do so *eh* < 1281721400 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway once you get past that warning the real hell begins, because then you're actually using Rosegarden X-P < 1281721446 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a MIDI instrument anyway, so I will have to find some kind of renderer software (it told me about some packages the first time I started it up, but has not repeated that useful information on subsequent starts I believe,) and I will have to hope that it has decent manual entry. If not, I'm looking at trackers. Or just giving up on composition. < 1281721486 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cause, you see, this kind of shit does not exactly put me in a creative mood. < 1281721491 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In C++, if I have a string variable and a char pointer, can I just assign the variable to the pointer and everything just work? < 1281721537 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Yeah, 's annoying. fluidsynth . Use this piano soundfont: ftp://musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix/sf2/Steinway_IMIS2.2/ . Look for "Chorium" for a good everything-else soundfont. Use the command line fluidsynth -l -a alsa .sf2 < 1281721607 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: Thanks. (This is complicated by only-sporadic-internet-access-for-machine-this-is-on.) < 1281721627 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I asked a question whose answer I can easily determine experimentally. Oops. < 1281721655 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: In my experience, all this crap does deter from the music-writing mood, but once you've got it all in place and can bring things up quickly, it's JUST tolerable! Wooooh tolerable! < 1281721719 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: Behold: The Thrappas of Bagriga. http://pastie.org/1090723.txt?key=zjgqcnbndjcbfih6qnkeda < 1281721742 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A poem by Conacred Visturs. < 1281721760 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Your quote use is inconsistent. < 1281721769 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Orly? < 1281721770 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Howso? < 1281721794 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The third stanza has an unterminated quote, but all other quotes are terminated. < 1281721805 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: That is because the third stanza's speech continues in the fourth stanza. < 1281721828 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Spakk onderstannablee, eenfydels! < 1281721846 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I've ever seen that corner of English written as such ... < 1281721848 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But okidoke. < 1281721863 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: It is standard practice to not terminate a quote if it continues in the next paragraph. < 1281721865 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Foo, bar, baz. < 1281721868 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Quux bar blah. < 1281721871 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Abc." < 1281721893 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I blame Britland. < 1281721909 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has seen that convention before < 1281721916 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't remember where < 1281721920 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Time Machine by H. G. Wells features it, at least. < 1281721924 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think The Lord of the Rings does too. < 1281721935 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still blame Britland. < 1281721939 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's a common screwed-up convention. < 1281721942 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC when Gandalf decides that the next paragraph should be entirely his recounting of events. < 1281721956 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Yes, but English is screwed up; so the conventions shall be adopted. < 1281721965 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like commas coming inside the end of a quote and all that. < 1281721986 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That convention I refuse to uphold. < 1281721995 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Actually, that sometimes makes sense," said Alise, "because it denotes an actual pause." < 1281722001 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Other times, this may be more acceptable." said Alise. < 1281722006 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"But not really this, " said Alise. < 1281722018 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: But { "Foo", said Bar } is far worse. < 1281722027 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It simply looks hideous when typeset. < 1281722032 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*waaaaaah* < 1281722048 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{"Foo." said Bar} is perfectly unobjectionable. < 1281722080 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it's ambiguous. Did the quote say Bar, or did Bar say the quote? X-P < 1281722080 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ "Indeed; I also think that..." said Bob } I'd write as -- if that was for some reason unacceptable -- { "Indeed," said Bob; "I also think that..." } < 1281722106 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: What's that? { "X" said Y } is the only occurance of OVS in English, and translates to { Y said "X" }? Gaspeth! < 1281722110 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had NO IDEA. < 1281722110 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Re recaptcha, I recently got one where the second word was upside-down. I couldn't help wondering if they had one whole page scanned upside-down in there; most likely. < 1281722129 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Hahahawesome. < 1281722377 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, using Chrome 6 yet? < 1281722434 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If by "Chrome 6" you mean "Midori", then yes, I am using Chrome 6. < 1281722484 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember you were a fan of Chrome at one point < 1281722505 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it well enough; but on Linux its defiance of standard window conventions makes it a pain. < 1281722514 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chrome on Windows, lovely; on other OSes, not so much. < 1281722548 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are standard window conventions on Linux? < 1281722551 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1281722574 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, a box with a title around the window shouldn't be "weird" to the program. < 1281722579 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is with Chrome, which likes to decorate its own stuff. < 1281722796 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Department of Extreme Morphology. < 1281722819 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Morphic? < 1281722933 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, just morphology. < 1281722951 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I prescribe some any-language-but-bloody-Smalltalk to shut you up! :P < 1281722968 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All recent browsers like to make themselves look like shit. < 1281722972 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you seen Firefox 4.0b2? < 1281722987 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: I like how Chrome looks on Windows, it's a nice UI concept. < 1281722991 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's taking its UI design lesson from Opera. OPERA. Idiots. < 1281722991 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But on other OSes, it falls down hard. < 1281723005 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ouch, looking at Firefox 4.0b2. < 1281723007 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's crazy. < 1281723017 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should learn BancSTAR! < 1281723018 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They took all the worst bits from Chrome and all the worst bits from Opera. < 1281723027 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BancSTAR ftw < 1281723028 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have Chrome's tab-bar-title-bar thing WITHOUT ACTUALLY MAKING IT THE TITLE BAR. < 1281723028 0 :mutoga!~Shiva@3615mylife.foreverlovingjah.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1281723037 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have TWO menus! Why?! < 1281723050 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HATE Chrome's tab-bar-title-bar thing. HATE < 1281723060 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it. < 1281723065 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BancSTAR has supplanted my love for Smalltalk! I love BancSTAR! < 1281723066 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But only on Windows. < 1281723081 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: But what about NewSTAR?! < 1281723085 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not ready yet! < 1281723094 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: However, FF4.0b2 doesn't have two menus, I don't know what you're on about there ... < 1281723111 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.betaarchive.co.uk/imageupload/1278232295.or.41572.PNG < 1281723118 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION can barely breathe from laughing < 1281723122 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Firefox V" < 1281723125 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"File Edit ..." < 1281723139 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: That's weird. Not sure how they got that. I don't have that. < 1281723150 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they enabled it. < 1281723211 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can enable the menu bar but not the Firefox V dropdown, or I can enable the Firefox V dropdown but not the menu. < 1281723221 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firefox V is the marketing name for Firefox 5 < 1281723224 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION really, truly hates music piracy < 1281723229 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: :P < 1281723234 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I totally interpreted that the wrong way for a second. < 1281723236 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: PLEASE PIRATE MY MUSIC < 1281723241 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I was about to KILL YOU. < 1281723251 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: :P < 1281723264 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why oh *why* must torrents have such crappy tagging? < 1281723275 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a discography torrent with *untagged* files! < 1281723294 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tag my files! < 1281723294 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank God that MusicBrainz takes care of 99% of the work. < 1281723306 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Also suggestion: Ex Falso. < 1281723308 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although some of the olde ones are probably untagged. < 1281723314 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: ? < 1281723319 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Very capable multi-file tag editor *and* renaming-based-on-tags-itor. < 1281723329 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Ah. < 1281723330 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I tag all my shit with it. < 1281723342 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Does it use MusicBrainz? < 1281723354 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: No, it's a manual editor. You could use it to clean up after MusicBrainz. < 1281723355 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1281723358 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cause I quite like being able to look up sane tagging info for 99% of stuff. < 1281723369 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MusicBrainz -> Tweak with Ex Falso, I'd suggest. < 1281723375 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds good. < 1281723376 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then I'm weird; I don't even use any genre tags. < 1281723379 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's too difficult to decide!) < 1281723384 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Genre tags are useless. < 1281723401 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: I'm pretty sure that I've *got* them, but it's not like I *care*. < 1281723401 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: Unless you do the GENRE/STYLE system, where you have one hopelessly vague GENRE and crazily specific STYLEs. < 1281723404 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They offend me because there's only one tag for all music before 1920. Or I guess two or three, but not many is the point :P < 1281723413 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: Oh, ID3. < 1281723415 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who uses ID3? < 1281723421 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I don't even *care* about the genre of music. < 1281723422 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ogg tags, man. < 1281723438 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's good, then I'm satisfied regardless of genre. If it's shit, then, well, it's shit. < 1281723440 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What we REALLY need is an ontological taxonomy for genres! < 1281723451 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that we can specify the genre of music with a list of tags, each of which has relations to other tags! < 1281723471 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, we could have a rule that... Iunno, "some-genre = (a + b) - c". < 1281723473 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if it *is* prog rock or something, it's still shit. And if it's good, it's good in spite of being, say, rap. < 1281723485 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. "Oh yeah, some genre music is like a with b, but without the c aspects." < 1281723486 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you can now see my biases) < 1281723504 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tag all music as either "classical" or "post-classical" < 1281723519 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what formula metal is < 1281723529 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Depends. < 1281723534 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :metal = rock + (symphonic - orchestral) + noise, perhaps < 1281723540 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, clearly we need scaling factors < 1281723541 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Metal" is a ridiculously vague genre. < 1281723548 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Of course; that's why you have subgenres. < 1281723554 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :progressive+metal, for instance, is the obvious thing. < 1281723592 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doom-metal = metal + slow + low-tuned + ... < 1281723597 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you have progressive+doom-metal. < 1281723605 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does "low-tuned" mean ... < 1281723613 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: The guitars are tuned low. :P < 1281723614 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, Led Zeppelin and Anal Cunt are both metal. < 1281723624 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: So ... they're out of tune? < 1281723628 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prog metal? Like, um -- Living Color? < 1281723629 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: Shut up. < 1281723638 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider a song which is 1/3 rap, 1/3 metal and 1/3 rap-metal. < 1281723639 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, Anal Cunt is a real band.) < 1281723647 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :genre = (rap, metal, rap+metal). < 1281723651 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That surprises me none whatsoever. < 1281723653 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You COULD have scaling factors here... but no. < 1281723657 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W, after I finish watching Air Part 3, can I skip straight to Time? < 1281723658 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Anal Cunt are awesome. < 1281723670 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Don't skip episodes of TV series. That's fucking retarded. < 1281723678 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: I don't think any of them are skippable. < 1281723682 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Depends on the series. < 1281723698 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: Well, I guess you could skip all of Lost but the first and last episodes. < 1281723705 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1281723711 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone will probably pipe up "Naruto", but I'll reply that you should skip all of Naruto because jesus christ you have no taste. < 1281723715 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, save yourself some time and skip all of Lost. < 1281723723 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, nowadays Led Zeppelin hardly even comes across as hard rock, much less metal... < 1281723746 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(god damned music evolution. :P) < 1281723769 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: One advantage of this ONTOGENREONOMY is that you could search, e.g. "thick + synthesised" (where synthesised refers to the "stereotypical" synthesiser sound, like 80s) < 1281723775 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and stuff. < 1281723795 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR < 1281723802 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could just not tag genres! < 1281723822 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what the hell you folks are talking abuot < 1281723823 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION registers ontogenreonomy.com < 1281723831 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MOO < 1281723853 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: They're discussing the nature of a concept I disdain due to its poor ability to classify all of my favorite music :P < 1281723870 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arguably they're developing it into something I would find more useful. < 1281723871 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: But the ontogenreonomy would be so subtle and ... huge, that you could classify all your music precisely! < 1281723873 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :track 01.ogg <-- ALL MY MP3S LOOK LIKE THIS < 1281723878 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you devoted years to it! < 1281723881 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Your mp3s have weird file extensions. < 1281723883 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Or weird containers. < 1281723886 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MP3 in OGG, fuck yeah. < 1281723984 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, can anybody recommend a COMMAND-LINE tagging tool for GNU/Linux that isn't terrible? < 1281724096 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :metaflac < 1281724107 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, uh, command-line tagging is a bit of a bitch; tagging can get quite complicated. < 1281724120 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a whole science behind it I hear < 1281724121 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean tagging my own stuff. < 1281724125 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is mostly automatic. < 1281724154 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just need to supply a title and year, the rest is always consistent. Also, metaflac is FLAC-only last I checked :P < 1281724175 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need something that I can just say "Tag these .mp3, .ogg, .flac, .whatever files all the same DO IT DO IT DO IT" < 1281724229 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Clearly we need to divide things into lyrical and musical themes. < 1281724240 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :christian-gangster-rap = lyrical:christian + ganster-rap < 1281724275 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: You need to choose something better than a hyphen, it keeps making me think "minus", which is also a useful operator. < 1281724284 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, fine; quoted names. < 1281724292 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes we must devise a complete system < 1281724301 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'christian gangster rap' = lyrical:christian + musical:'gangster rap' < 1281724317 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lyrical:christian = @{lyrical:religious} < 1281724323 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The @{...} means "more than the sum of these parts". < 1281724325 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it could be @ +. < 1281724328 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lyrical:christian = @ + lyrical:religious < 1281724338 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because that's the only related theme, but it's something new; a new atomic concept, of Christian lyrics. < 1281724372 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah yes, the genre that puts Bach and (wtf, Christian gangster rap?) in the same group. < 1281724392 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: Eh? Which? < 1281724409 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- You do realise that lyrical:christian wouldn't be used as a genre by itself, right? < 1281724410 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lyrical:christian < 1281724418 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a component of other genres, like 'christian gangster rap'. < 1281724437 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see what the purpose in making this distinction is. < 1281724443 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no distinction. < 1281724452 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then lyrical:christian is a genre. < 1281724455 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But nobody sane would tag their files genre = {lyrical:christian}. :P < 1281724461 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough :P < 1281724465 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could also say things like {lyrical:christian + 'progressive rock'}, since nobody's crazy enough to define 'christian progressive rock'. < 1281724473 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you SEARCHED for lyrical:christian, you'd get both Bach and Christian gangster rap. < 1281724474 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only reason I defined 'christian gangster rap' is because it's one of the Nullsoft genres. < 1281724488 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: Yes, such are the consequences of awful searches. < 1281724501 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless that's what you were looking for! < 1281724508 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed! < 1281724515 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just want the Love of Jesus photons to wash over you, you don't care where they're from. < 1281724554 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, lyrical: is perhaps not the best tag; it's really vocal. < 1281724557 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then it's lyrical too. < 1281724561 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. vocal:female < 1281724575 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then vocal:female is a relatively silly tag as nobody will be that specific. < 1281724588 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arguably "lyrical" means that the speaking is somehow "to" the music, so it's not spoken-word. < 1281724595 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas "vocal" just means "here there be voices" < 1281724615 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would you denote lyrical-including-spoken-word-text? < 1281724618 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe textual: < 1281724621 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :textual: and vocal: < 1281724640 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So textual means it's not just sounds produced by the human voice, but in a language? < 1281724651 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: Well, almost. < 1281724661 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: In fact, yes, I think so. < 1281724663 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1281724681 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: Although e.g. textual:vonlenska would be a valid tag, even though that isn't a "real" language. < 1281724690 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vocal:glossolalia < 1281724717 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I think this system of metagenres will catch on ANY DAY NOW. < 1281724742 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's for people who REALLY REALLY CARE. < 1281724747 0 :AnMaster!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1281724750 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :key:e_flat < 1281724756 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: *key:'e flat' < 1281724760 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: What if it changes keys? < 1281724760 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH SORRY < 1281724770 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, you missed major/minor/other modes. < 1281724774 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: something having a genre X only means that it has aspects of that genre, etc. < 1281724776 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not necessarily exclusively < 1281724787 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{key:'e flat' + key:a} is a perfectly acceptable genre. < 1281724795 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :key:"f major" key:"b flat minor" wooooh < 1281724807 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And key:"f major" = key:f + key:major < 1281724813 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :key[1]:'e_flat' mode[1]:'major' key[2]:'c_sharp' mode[1]:'minor' < 1281724830 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er mode[2] < 1281724831 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: OMG mode[1] is both major AND minor! < 1281724832 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever < 1281724844 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :conflicting tags < 1281724847 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'M LOOKING FOR SOMETHING WHERE THE SECOND MODE IS MINOR < 1281724866 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why we have devised this complete system for you < 1281724870 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now < 1281724878 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crimes that the lead singer has been comitted of < 1281724899 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1281724900 0 :leBMD!~chatzilla@174-23-7-241.slkc.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1281724903 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now < 1281724906 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interface with RDF < 1281724907 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arson, murder, jaywalking, defenestration < 1281724909 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :external < 1281724912 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: RDF inspired this! < 1281724918 0 :leBMD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi guys < 1281724920 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need to incorporate EmotionML < 1281724925 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for denoting the precise emotion of parts of the song < 1281724930 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: needs to interface to external RDF databases so's I can run my queries < 1281724940 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-emotionml-20100729/ < 1281724973 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :leBMD: You've walked in while we talk about stupid stuff :P < 1281724982 0 :leBMD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it seems like that. < 1281724986 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: You mean, he walked in while we were doing our usual thing? < 1281724987 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chord[1].notes=1 + note[1].value=c4 + note[1].duration=1/4 + chord[2].notes=2 + note[2].value=c4 + ... < 1281724994 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^^ Now that's a genre < 1281724996 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :leBMD: are you here for the religious stuff < 1281725003 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: YOU'RE JUST SPECIFYING THE ENTIRE SONG < 1281725007 0 :leBMD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean by that? < 1281725008 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: NORLY? :P < 1281725017 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :leBMD: He's being a pessimist, ignore him X-P < 1281725023 0 :leBMD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ok. XD < 1281725024 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: vocalisation-by-drummer="raw audio data" < 1281725027 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :leBMD: esoterica < 1281725030 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :leBMD: we get a lot of people in for that < 1281725037 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas we are for the programming stuff. < 1281725040 0 :leBMD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, are you guys...making a music macro language? < 1281725077 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :leBMD: We STARTED OUT defining the Ontological Genre Taxonomy Database to rule over all other genre systems. < 1281725087 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's the monster responsible for 320kbps MP3? < 1281725091 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never again would your searches not find the subtlest elements of genres in your songs; never again shall your tracks not be accurately tagged. < 1281725100 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :leBMD: As that genre system got more ridiculous, I decided to mock it by defining the entire piece as a "genre" :P < 1281725104 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :leBMD: BUT THEN-- Gregor made it into a complete musical-piece-specification system because he is even more insane than us. < 1281725110 0 :leBMD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1281725120 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Someone who never realised that they're using LAME. < 1281725129 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I know! sample[0].value=0 sample[1].value=1 sample[2].value=1 ... < 1281725135 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now THAT'S a genre! < 1281725153 0 :leBMD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's what you do: look for a major followed by a quick minor, repeated twice. Then, you tag that as a "legendary" song. < 1281725184 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION writes a quick legendary song. < 1281725189 0 :leBMD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. < 1281725192 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, it's one measure long. < 1281725199 0 :leBMD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just go with the four chords used in every other legendary song. < 1281725212 0 :leBMD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like in the beginning of "Streetlight people" by Journey. < 1281725215 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It goes like this: C major chord, C minor chord staccato, C major chord, C minor chord staccato. < 1281725227 0 :leBMD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. < 1281725260 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in 5/4, one measure long, and ends with a quarter rest. < 1281725274 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C major chord / C minor chord (staccato) / C major chord / C minor chord (staccato) -- sung to the beginning of Beethoven's fifth played twice < 1281725305 0 :leBMD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, by the way, how do I add a language ot the wiki? < 1281725314 0 :leBMD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to* < 1281725314 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :leBMD: Go to the page, edit it. < 1281725321 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use the search box or change the URL. < 1281725330 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make sure to categorize it as appropriate so it'll be listed somewhere. < 1281725339 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Category:Appropriate]] < 1281725378 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1281725441 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, like I said. < 1281725603 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@m-164.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1281725631 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1281725651 0 :leBMD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way to put stuff in a box, kind of like quote boxes on a forum? < 1281725741 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For quotes, or? < 1281725742 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1281725743 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For code, or? < 1281725852 0 :leBMD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for code, yes. < 1281725866 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh crap, then there's all that mess with setting up JACK, I completely forgot. < 1281725897 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W, is all of SGU going to be people fighting? < 1281725927 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Pretty much. With a lot of soap-opera-esque pseudodrama and painfully obvious rivalries. < 1281725930 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asking someone with a low opinion of a work with a negative question is not going to produce a positive response. < 1281725975 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W, as long as that's not the point of many episodes a season, I think I'll be ok < 1281725987 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hated the Earth politics episodes of SG1, but I survived < 1281726008 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naw, I don't think it's QUITE the same style of badness. < 1281726020 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1281726087 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And at least these characters are human. I have trouble imagining flaws in the SG-1 characters < 1281726155 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah because it's not like SG-1 had any humans. < 1281726197 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Characters without flaws shouldn't be considered human < 1281726214 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.. Sam was gullible once < 1281726250 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Give it time, the characters in SGU will become inhuman in the other direction. < 1281726326 0 :leBMD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, boys. Here is my work: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Noobinary < 1281726327 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah, we just need $ARBITRARY_TELEVISION_NETWORK to give the green-light on Odyssey and we'll finally have decent character-based sci-fi on TV. < 1281726414 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I made an interpreter in Smalltalk, would I be slapped? < 1281726449 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1281726662 0 :leBMD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried using Little Smalltalk once. < 1281726667 0 :boily!~boily@poste205-171.wl.t.ulaval.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1281726681 0 :leBMD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't handle having to highlight all my code. Maybe if I played with it more I'd learn a better way. < 1281726700 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt-d/p work without selection in modern squeak < 1281726786 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, that only does one line, I think < 1281726820 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W, what's with the religionness? < 1281726875 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: indeed it does < 1281726882 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the religionness"? < 1281726896 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some Christ thing < 1281726901 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1281726905 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you talking about? < 1281726909 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that, in SGU. < 1281726912 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Air Part 3 < 1281726914 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Protip: It's not really there < 1281726922 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Protip: What happens if you're in the desert for ages and don't drink? < 1281727112 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, more important question: WHY IS MY SOUND SCREWING UP?!?!?!? < 1281727124 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BECAUSE YOU SUCK < 1281727125 0 :leBMD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOR THE SAME REASON THAT THE DINOSAURS DIED. < 1281727131 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :leBMD: which is because he sucks < 1281727134 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you touch yourself at night. < 1281727209 0 :leBMD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I'm gonna go read a book or kick puppies or something. < 1281727216 0 :leBMD!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: maybe both at the same time? < 1281727318 0 :relet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1281727358 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1281727423 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I restart sound on Windows? < 1281727432 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What?# < 1281727433 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*What? < 1281727472 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By restarting Windows, is my guess. < 1281727494 0 :Quadrescence!~Quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence JOIN :#esoteric < 1281727612 0 :relet!~thomas@c905DBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1281727677 0 :relet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1281727781 0 :relet!~thomas@c905DBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1281728287 0 :cpressey!~catseye@adsl-99-97-98-190.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1281728493 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/bin/jackd: symbol lookup error: /usr/bin/jackd: undefined symbol: _jack_get_microseconds < 1281728529 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :miniseconds < 1281728532 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wonder Rosegarden can't connect to Jack < 1281728639 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :archeolomist < 1281728843 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a bar of quarter notes. Next challenge: make sound. < 1281728914 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Select: Audio. Select: Generators > Oscillators. Select: FM Oscillator. CRASH. < 1281729020 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Vorpal < 1281729284 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: What are you attempting to do? < 1281729291 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Uhhh, why are you using audio generators in Rosegarden instead of just MIDI synth? < 1281729304 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Mind you, that still shouldn't crash, but this is Rosegarden :P < 1281729354 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1281729454 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rosegarden crashed his IRC client. < 1281729646 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1281729729 0 :cpressey!~catseye@adsl-99-97-98-190.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1281729736 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bloody laptop < 1281729815 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: blood conducts electricity rather well < 1281729824 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it thus doesn't mix well with electronic equipment < 1281729922 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCP idea: A computer made entirely out of organic matter; communication is by tubes filled with blood... < 1281729924 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HUMAN blood... < 1281729976 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's quite disturbing. I like it. < 1281730010 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and it's incredibly powerful, if you can figure it out... but after a while, users of it seem to...disappear... < 1281730019 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the computer is growing. THEN WHO WAS PHONE? < 1281730032 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I believe I have got to the point where the million dollar question is: How do I tell Rosegarden "fluidsynth is running! you should talk to it!" < 1281730103 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a "talk to fluidsynth" "synth plugin" or something? I have no synth plugins. < 1281730176 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aparently there is < 1281730181 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dssi-fluidsynth < 1281730184 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imagine that < 1281730227 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Internet bye-bye < 1281730525 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1281730553 0 :Phantom_Hatter!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl29-2-0-cust326.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1281730661 0 :Phantom_Hatter!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, interested in seeing Lumenos try to explain his philosophy to mortals? < 1281730809 0 :Phantom_Hatter!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I assume not. < 1281730819 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hatter: Yes. < 1281730831 0 :Phantom_Hatter!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/K5Xb5eQ2 < 1281730910 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He needs a slap. < 1281730936 0 :Phantom_Hatter!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh. He's pretty harmless. < 1281731127 0 :Phantom_Hatter!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I love the picture on my Lumeniki article. < 1281731274 0 :diofeher!~diogenes@li20-198.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1281731663 0 :Phantom_Hatter!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rats, I have been foiled by Lazy K's innate lack of reliable IO scheduling. < 1281731923 0 :Phantom_Hatter!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's impossible to schedule things to output 'a', then input something, then output 'b', then print the aforementioned something. < 1281732012 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ahem* < 1281732015 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prose before hoes. < 1281732053 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1281732195 0 :Phantom_Hatter!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, found a hack that fixes it. < 1281732215 0 :Phantom_Hatter!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it does rather nasty things to my beautiful abstraction. < 1281732792 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know, I would answer cpressey's questions, but he's not online :P < 1281732799 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If he's asking that question, then he's doing it all wrong :P < 1281732801 0 :Phantom_Hatter!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W, what questions? < 1281732816 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w.r.t. making Rosegarden talk to fluidsynth. < 1281732839 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think TV Tropes just massively spoiled "Light" for me < 1281732845 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I didn't even look at any spoilers! < 1281732856 0 :Phantom_Hatter!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, "Light"? < 1281732865 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hatter, episode of SGU < 1281732891 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably did < 1281732902 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that episode will get spoiled if you watch anything afterwards < 1281732923 0 :Phantom_Hatter!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, very bad move. < 1281732947 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, I've been watching these eps in order < 1281732962 0 :Phantom_Hatter!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reading TV Tropes on anything you haven't finished watching/reading/telepathing is generally going to spoil it. < 1281732985 0 :Phantom_Hatter!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a strange habit not to spoiler out tropes like "everybody dies". < 1281733116 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should make a not-shitty music player for his phone < 1281733229 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: I have fixed the offending spoilers < 1281733277 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternately, I could just install X11 on it and call it a day. < 1281733289 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Too late now, what has been seen cannot be unseen! < 1281733296 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a Debian chroot, of course. < 1281733312 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION implements delegation in javacsript < 1281733314 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*javascript < 1281733338 0 :boily!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1281733346 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll implement your MOM in JavaScript. < 1281733379 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm doing a nomic in Javascript to steal Warrigal's thunder >_> < 1281733389 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please do. < 1281733422 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hard to imagine how that could work well as a nomic since JavaScript is all client-side. < 1281733439 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's Free, I can incorporate pieces of it into my own. < 1281733455 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: it's difficult to imagine how a programming language itself can be client-side. < 1281733460 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: Just for saying "Free" with a capital F I'll make sure it's not. < 1281733480 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: sorry. Do you have any other English usage guidelines I should follow? < 1281733483 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: Since ALL JAVASCRIPT IMPLEMENTATIONS ARE CLIENT-SIDE (excluding shitty half-baked server-side JS systems) < 1281733489 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: Yes: prose before hoes. < 1281733489 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still alternately... Any SDL programs that'd be nice to have on here? < 1281733500 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should be able to just cross-compile and it'll "just work". < 1281733502 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: If it's FREE AS IN FREEDOM < 1281733502 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: Apart from Rhino, SpiderMonkey, V8, ... < 1281733523 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And while I don't like node.js, I would hardly call it "half-baked". < 1281733528 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nodejs.org/ < 1281733530 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's based on V8. < 1281733540 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it isn't purely server-based, either. < 1281733560 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :God I hate you people. < 1281733565 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: yeah, I'm not sure what makes a JavaScript implementation client-side, either. < 1281733572 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: Why? < 1281733576 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I'm right? :P < 1281733578 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SpiderMonkey seems to be pretty agnostic as to where you run it. < 1281733582 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Quit < 1281733604 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can put it in clients. You can put it in servers. You can put it in toaster ovens. < 1281733619 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I've even used SpiderMonkey in wildly non-browsery contexts, but here's the facts: When you write JS code, you're either writing code to be run in a browser, or never to be run at all. < 1281733634 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that case: < 1281733636 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, fuck. < 1281733647 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION takes coppro's name out of the lottery < 1281733674 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :node.js, lest there be confusion, goes into the "never to be run at all" category. < 1281733676 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: Unless you're making your own infrastructure. Gasp! < 1281733693 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how you're completely ignoring all the people that use node.js just because it isn't very common and you don't like it. < 1281733699 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Making your own infrastructure fits quite squarely into "never to be run at all" < 1281733701 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's so bad about node.js, besides not being Smalltalk? < 1281733704 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the same token, we should not create a Brainfuck Nomic. < 1281733709 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's impossible, because it's code that's never to be run at all! < 1281733715 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got it. All non-browser JavaScript is heathen. < 1281733724 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: Yeah, people are never going to load http://javascriptnomiclol.org/ and click around. < 1281733727 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe even type in some characters. < 1281733735 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is because server-based JavaScript is never to be run at all. < 1281733739 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're being stupid, by the way. < 1281733743 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I did start writing a BFnomic, but gave up < 1281733745 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was too difficult < 1281733752 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You people. You people are so stupid. I'm making a SOCIOLOGICAL statement here. < 1281733752 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION takes Gregor-W's name out of the lottery < 1281733755 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote it was too difficult < 1281733763 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: And that ... doesn't make you stupid? < 1281733766 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :212| it was too difficult < 1281733772 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote You people. You people are so stupid. I'm making a SOCIOLOGICAL statement here. < 1281733772 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a particularly /good/ quote... < 1281733774 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :213| You people. You people are so stupid. I'm making a SOCIOLOGICAL statement here. < 1281733781 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it is one I previously thought would never be uttered, however < 1281733789 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the one where oklopol said he didn't understand or something < 1281733800 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1281733806 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :am I not allowed to be honest about my own limitations? < 1281733815 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have LIMITATIONS? < 1281733819 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you'd think it much more likely of me to admit I couldn't do something, than to claim I could anyway < 1281733820 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It's simpler than that, you're not allowed to have limitations. < 1281733823 0 :Phantom_Hatter!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, NO < 1281733849 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you are now playing in Advanced Mode. All limitations now count against you. < 1281733858 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, if you die now, you die permanently. < 1281733871 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weren't those the rules beforehand? < 1281733873 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you rape a puppet, IT DIES. < 1281733876 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in life, as it is in NetHack? < 1281733899 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. Back then, you were in Basic Mode; limitations didn't really count and death only resulted in a penalty. < 1281733919 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That should be an esolang < 1281733940 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1281733958 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You misspelled "Kant". < 1281733993 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Technically, he misspelled "can't". < 1281733998 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No! Kant. < 1281734005 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Technically he misspelled "cunt" < 1281734011 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kunt. < 1281734015 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, technically, he misspelled every word except "cant". < 1281734025 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Immanuel Kunt < 1281734025 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Künstlerroman. < 1281734061 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo PORK < 1281734063 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PORK < 1281734065 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo GRAPES < 1281734067 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GRAPES < 1281734104 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have we ever had a JavaScript bot in here? Because that would be kinda nice. < 1281734107 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION grumbles at Chloe/Non-..game guy < 1281734140 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: SOAP OPERA < 1281734158 0 :Phantom_Hatter!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agh, why will my getline function not work. < 1281734206 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Wow, I forgot game guy's name already. < 1281734227 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would've remembered it if you guys hadn't just beamed forgetness at me. < 1281734248 0 :Phantom_Hatter!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/68AqfN8r is the current state of the code, BtW. < 1281734272 0 :Phantom_Hatter!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I slightly patched lazier.scm and prelude.scm to make them work properly. < 1281734276 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: Yeah, that's what happened to me... < 1281734281 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Dammit, why did you make me forget?" < 1281734304 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eli < 1281734340 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yay webernets :P ) < 1281734460 0 :Killerkid!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1281734593 0 :Phantom_Hatter!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does noöne care about my getline blues? < 1281734660 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. Screw you. < 1281734681 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1281734689 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hatter: That ... was the greatest use of a diaeresis mark ever. < 1281734702 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a perfectly normal use. < 1281734747 0 :Phantom_Hatter!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ssssh! < 1281734747 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a perfectly correct use. It was not a perfectly normal use. < 1281734788 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks pretty weird for us Finns (or at least me), what with the ö being a letter of its own and all. < 1281734814 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Screw you Finns and your lack of coöperation with obscure English. < 1281734862 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sorry, cooperate was the only word I could think of :P ) < 1281734881 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep 'noöne' 2010-08.log | wc -l => 6; six times in a month on this channel, that's pretty normal already. < 1281734898 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guh? < 1281734903 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't noticed this! < 1281734909 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: We like the diæresis. < 1281734924 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All are Phantom_Hooverisms. Plus one example from alise in 2010-03. < 1281734925 0 :Phantom_Hatter!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W, both me and alise use them regularly. < 1281734936 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use them so much because they're a bitch to type. < 1281734942 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Okay, the last is a Hatterism instead of a Hooversim.) < 1281734942 0 :Phantom_Hatter!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, compose? < 1281734948 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want TeX in my IRC input line. \"u -> ü < 1281734965 0 :Phantom_Hatter!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, again, s/\// < 1281734971 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I don't mean any ol' diaeresis mark. < 1281734976 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hatter: Yes, but hitting compose is meh. < 1281734983 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean "no one", collapsed, diaeresis'd. < 1281734988 0 :Phantom_Hatter!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, map compose to backslash? < 1281734989 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lucky us, we've got dedicated keys for ä and ö. < 1281734990 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :noone is a word < 1281734995 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as is no-one ergo no\"one < 1281735003 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sets compose to right windows key, discovers he has no right windows key < 1281735012 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sets it to the menu key < 1281735016 0 :Phantom_Hatter!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I use that stupid little menu key. < 1281735019 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :noöne could think that typing like this was easy < 1281735029 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so inconvenient to use your thumb to hit menu then go all the way up to " < 1281735032 0 :Phantom_Hatter!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noöne knows about compose. < 1281735040 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dude, I'm on a MacBook, and even I have a right Windows key. < 1281735045 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use compose all the time. < 1281735049 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dude, I don't care about having a right Windows key. < 1281735050 0 :Phantom_Hatter!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal, no you don't. < 1281735052 0 :Phantom_Hatter!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really.. < 1281735052 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you don't. < 1281735057 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(On my X box) < 1281735058 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a right Option key. < 1281735063 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a right Command key, depending which you think is which. < 1281735067 0 :Phantom_Hatter!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a command key, which is completely different. < 1281735067 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: On your Xbox?! < 1281735070 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have compose in menu key too, but in this keyboard they've hidden the menu key as fn-printscreen, of all things. It's very awkward to type. < 1281735073 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: No, my X box. < 1281735081 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have a Command key, which is exactly the same thing. < 1281735091 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A box (computer) running X (windowing system) < 1281735094 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: I wish \"b was a char so I could say "On your X\"box?!" < 1281735097 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And an Option key, which is something entirely different. < 1281735099 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: Erm, no. < 1281735110 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Option key is where the Windows key is. < 1281735113 0 :Phantom_Hatter!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, compose-?-! for great interrobang. < 1281735115 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Command key is where the Alt key is. < 1281735129 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the Option key works like an Alt key and the Command key works like a Windows key. < 1281735168 0 :Phantom_Hatter!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal, no, it *really* doesn't. < 1281735173 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems I don't have GB files for compose. So I assume it's using the C locale. < 1281735175 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: No. < 1281735183 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Command+X is a regular shortcut; on Windows it would be Control+X. < 1281735184 0 :Phantom_Hatter!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Command is basically a surrogate control. < 1281735203 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Windows key on Windows pops up the Start menu or e.g. Win+L locks the system. < 1281735209 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., it's for system-wide stuff, mostly. < 1281735212 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Win+R brings up the Run... dialog. < 1281735229 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes, by "works like", I mean that pressing Command on this keyboard in some operating system does the same thing as pressing Windows on a different keyboard in the same operating system. < 1281735231 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU ARE WRONG AND YOU SHOULD FEEL BAD. < 1281735236 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: Only by default. < 1281735240 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is configurable. < 1281735240 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1281735255 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, it SHOULD be changed; the two keys are in the wrong place otherwise on other keyboards. < 1281735315 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( Compose - + doesn't give a \mp, it gives a \pm. < 1281735335 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : : "“" U201c # LEFT DOUBLE QUOTATION MA < 1281735335 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RK < 1281735335 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : : "“" U201c # LEFT DOUBLE QUOTATION MA < 1281735335 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RK < 1281735335 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : : "”" U201d # RIGHT DOUBLE QUOTATION M < 1281735336 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARK < 1281735338 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : : "”" U201d # RIGHT DOUBLE QUOTATION M < 1281735340 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARK < 1281735342 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What an abomination. < 1281735352 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be `` and ''! < 1281735355 0 :Phantom_Hatter!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ah, where are the compose key listings? < 1281735358 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Compose ' ' -> ´ < 1281735364 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And compose `` does nothing, but ``` does ` < 1281735374 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hatter: /usr/share/X11/locale/[en_US.UTF-8] < 1281735374 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` does `. That's really useful. < 1281735375 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1281735385 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there may be GB files < 1281735386 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for me < 1281735387 0 :Killerkid!~l1am9111@host86-176-45-101.range86-176.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1281735389 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION creates his personal compose file < 1281735391 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Compose Compose ` ` ` Compose ` ` ` Compose ` ` ` also give you `? < 1281735397 0 :Phantom_Hatter!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, WHERE? < 1281735405 0 :Phantom_Hatter!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. the custom file. < 1281735416 0 :Phantom_Hatter!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I've been wanting to fiddle with it for ages. < 1281735421 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hatter: ~/.XCompose but you need to add some stuff, lemme tell you the stuff you need to add < 1281735422 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :second < 1281735429 0 :Phantom_Hatter!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For one thing, compose-p-i should obviously be pi. < 1281735445 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the fact that ``` does ` comes from the fact that `` does nothing. < 1281735449 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, compose-\-p should be pi or something < 1281735453 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compose-\-x should be greek x < 1281735463 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chi or xi? < 1281735473 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hatter: okay, put this in ~/.XCompose < 1281735480 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :include "... path to inherited Compose file" < 1281735483 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then your stuff < 1281735486 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# foo is a comment < 1281735494 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: x was a variable < 1281735499 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1281735522 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hatter: include "%L" includes the default one for your local < 1281735544 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Knowing what would happen made me happy when Dr. Rush was happy because I knew what he learned < 1281735590 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : : "by the way" # Compose b t w < 1281735590 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :

: "

" # Compose < p < 1281735595 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, you can do that? < 1281735614 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What terrible compose sequences X-D < 1281735641 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : : "HAHAHAHAHA" # Compose lol < 1281735641 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                   < 1281735642 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                   < 1281735652 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wat < 1281735664 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1281735664 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :   | < 1281735664 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  /< < 1281735668 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1281735672 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1281735673 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    | < 1281735673 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :   /< < 1281735674 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1281735674 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    | < 1281735675 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to see that one again. < 1281735675 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :   /< < 1281735676 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :watt < 1281735679 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : : "HAHAHAHAHA" # Compose lol < 1281735679 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                | < 1281735679 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                >\ < 1281735682 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O < 1281735694 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahh, ^S is my favorite byte. < 1281735699 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol his legs got cut off < 1281735700 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1281735705 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too long < 1281735709 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bahahahaha < 1281735712 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1281735719 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I had a "Cthulhu" key back when; it wasn't a compose thing, and it was pre-xkb, I think; but there was some sort of function key mapping system. It might've been even something lower-level. < 1281735730 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1281735741 0 :Phantom_Hatter!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does saving .XCompose cause the configuration to be immediately updated? < 1281735743 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1281735744 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   | < 1281735744 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  /'\ /'\ /<   |\ /<  /<  /<   |\ /<   |\ /< < 1281735747 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally. < 1281735760 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: The first two are flashing you. < 1281735768 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's nice. < 1281735793 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you obtain a female stickfigure? < 1281735795 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hatter: No. < 1281735801 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would it look like? < 1281735802 0 :Phantom_Hatter!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ah, that explains it < 1281735812 0 :Phantom_Hatter!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I force it to update? < 1281735812 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: With the Unicode infinity symbol. < 1281735842 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :☃ < 1281735878 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hatter: I dunno, I just restarted X. < 1281735880 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love that Unicode has a redirect for that glyph. < 1281735891 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A redirect? < 1281735895 0 :Phantom_Hatter!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ctrl-alt-backspace? < 1281735899 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hatter: Sure. < 1281735905 0 :Phantom_Hatter!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok... < 1281735907 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E2%98%83 < 1281735928 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH MY GOD < 1281735931 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ONE OF MY FONTS HAS THE UNICODE SNOWMAN < 1281735934 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SURROUNDED BY MANY, MANY SNOWFLAKES < 1281735936 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1281735937 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND WEARING A HAT < 1281735939 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT IS AMAZING < 1281735943 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DEAR GOD < 1281735944 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which font? < 1281735945 0 :Phantom_Hatter!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, IT IS < 1281735949 0 :Phantom_Hatter!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, Libertine < 1281735958 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: By Unicode, you mean Wikipedia. < 1281735973 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/✄ < 1281735977 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/✈ < 1281735990 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: That ... is epic. < 1281735997 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: What, in particular? < 1281736002 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The snowman or the redirects? < 1281736003 0 :Phantom_Hatter!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WP has a sense of humour? < 1281736009 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: The redirects. < 1281736013 0 :Phantom_Hatter!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what about "the weather in London"? < 1281736016 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hatter: Only a bureaucratic one. < 1281736017 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yes. XD < 1281736030 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't they disable the ctrl-alt-backspace kill by default in many places? (Option "DontZap" "on" and so on.) < 1281736037 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_weather_in_London&redirect=no < 1281736038 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes. < 1281736048 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"View history" --Wikipedia < 1281736049 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X_X < 1281736049 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thou shalt not zap. < 1281736051 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/☄ < 1281736055 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was wrong with "History"? < 1281736118 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/☐ < 1281736123 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, THAT'S epic :P < 1281736142 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to think of a nice compose sequence for the unicode snowman < 1281736149 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps *:) < 1281736199 0 :Phantom_Hatter!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit, GNOME, let me enable ctrl-alt-backspace. < 1281736227 0 :Phantom_Hatter!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, found it. < 1281736255 0 :Phantom_Hatter!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1281736259 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just log out and in again ... < 1281736268 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl29-2-0-cust326.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1281736288 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND COMPOSE-p-i STILL DOESN'T WORK < 1281736417 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guh, beta is apparently commonly romanised to v now < 1281736422 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck that shit, I'm sticking with b < 1281736449 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well, is that modern Greek? < 1281736469 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1281736472 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :v is < 1281736504 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems sensible. < 1281736516 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phonetics have mutated since Ancient Greek. < 1281736554 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just gonna do it in the way that seems obvious to me < 1281736557 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does Javascript have a set type? < 1281736559 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, \eth can't be e, that's epsilon. < 1281736569 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something similar that I can use for insertion and checking if a string is in it? < 1281736580 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't do with n, that's \nu < 1281736586 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: yeah, an object. < 1281736587 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: :P < 1281736590 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can't get .Xcompose to work, and it's a Gnome/GTK+ app it's not working in, you might be suffering for the senseless compose-table hardcoding GTK+ does: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GtkComposeTable (There's a "use XIM" workaround available.) < 1281736610 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: how do I do that? < 1281736617 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is a javascript noob < 1281736629 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: var poop = {}; < 1281736637 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"x" in poop (or something) < 1281736646 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :poop["x"] = true; < 1281736696 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, AAAARGH < 1281736705 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bloody GTK < 1281736759 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And delete poop["x"]; if you need that one too. < 1281736778 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Now now, that never seems to happen (the not-working) for me. < 1281736784 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless it hard-codes a very big compose table. < 1281736798 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It hardcodes a table that's been derived from the X tables. < 1281736808 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shift+Ctrl+U doesn't work for me. < 1281736812 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So presumably I'm on xim. < 1281736820 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds reasonable anyway. < 1281736834 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, what's your desktop setup, then? < 1281736835 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I think it uses xim by default these days. < 1281736837 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's always worked for me. < 1281736841 0 :mutoga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: :) ♪ © ¿ !~§¤[1;21] 0.6+8*9X²2¨@#|/[_.-{3,4°5^5"'€&6,55957(FR)<7%0=1=0%6>?&£`"5^5°4,3}-._]\|#@¨2²X9*8+7.0 [12;2]¤§~¡ ? 12±¾ ® ♪ (: < 1281736844 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Mu. < 1281736855 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use pekwm. < 1281736860 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some software. < 1281736881 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's all in lovely grey, I made sure of that by writing my own themes. :P < 1281736892 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The shift-ctrl-U trick works here; so this one is with GTK's thing. It also looks spiffy; it writes an underlined thing there. < 1281736918 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1281736924 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to find an old blog post of tuomov's; it had a Compose setup with Greek romanisations < 1281736929 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I would like to see so I can steal them < 1281736930 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately I don't really remember Unicode codepoints, and if I have to run gucharmap, I'd probably just copy the things in instead of using any spiffy unicode-composition trick. < 1281736934 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl29-2-0-cust326.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1281736957 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: If you want a set of something other than strings, you're punked though. < 1281737101 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: s'okay < 1281737116 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, upsilon is romanised as y, not u. < 1281737118 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find that weird. < 1281737431 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not really. < 1281737434 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, again, why? < 1281737445 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Because the lowercase form looks like a u. It's more an instinctive thing. < 1281737466 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Latin and Greek alphabets have been separated for millenia; of course they're going to be pretty different. < 1281737478 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm. < 1281737485 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now devise me a single-character romanisation scheme; mine sucks < 1281737486 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sucks. < 1281737525 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well, one very well mightn't exist. < 1281737547 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it does; I just made one up. < 1281737550 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was a deliciously tortured sentence, but anyway. < 1281737564 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23 letters in the Greek alphabet. < 1281737584 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, do you want a Romanisation that is fairly pronouncable? < 1281737670 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What this world needs is MORE PLOF. < 1281737676 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are several single-character romanisation schemes used in fonts designed for Greek, aren't there? < 1281737685 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. q = theta is pretty common, or v = theta < 1281737732 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, true, but v or q for the "th" sound looks *really* weird. < 1281737744 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :l/win 26 < 1281737769 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Qin cloq? < 1281737827 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Additionally, delta→d is untrue to modern Greek, since it's a voiced "th". < 1281737861 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It's better than romanisation schemes for Chinese. < 1281737862 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d is closest to the thorn < 1281737869 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear, chinese < 1281737870 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cries* < 1281737875 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pinyin *sob* < 1281737882 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y used to be used to "typewriterise" the thorn < 1281737890 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why you get "the" spelt as "ye" in old texts < 1281737906 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, printing press originally, rather than typewriter < 1281737910 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"q" is [tɕʰ]. < 1281737916 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gamma→y is actually pretty nice, since it's either voiced velar fricative or the "y" sound, both of which sound similer. < 1281737922 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"j" is [tɕ] < 1281737942 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"x" is [ɕ] < 1281737945 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sob* < 1281737953 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c-with-a-curl is what in the IPA? < 1281738025 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Voiceless alveolo-palatal fricative" < 1281738026 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Voiceless alveolo-palatal fricative. The Japanese "sh"... < 1281738044 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I think I can approximate that. < 1281738076 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the least sensible romanisation scheme I know of. < 1281738157 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION realises why his getline wasn't working < 1281738189 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one's just like a higher-pitched sh, isn't it? < 1281738194 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I'm curious. < 1281738201 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Protip: writing anything without any typesystem *at all* is a path to insanity. < 1281738209 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Not higher-pitched, but it is a very close sound. < 1281738217 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W, basically, I was binding it to putstr. < 1281738262 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... lawl < 1281738263 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But getline returns a Church array of ASCII-encoded characters, while putstr takes an appending Church array. < 1281738294 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I must be doing it wrong < 1281738306 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where an "appending Church array" is a function which takes a value and sticks it in the cdr of its last cons. < 1281738377 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As such, the output was being unpacked with (cons 256 256), rather than having it appended to it. < 1281738464 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pinyin is so bad that it makes me want to learn Mandarin for the sole sake of being able to ignore Pinyin. < 1281738467 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, now I just get a runtime error. < 1281738480 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least I know that it's just being completely wrong. < 1281738871 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes that he wasn't using return. < 1281738906 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...And now it works. < 1281739414 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : alise, do you want a Romanisation that is fairly pronouncable? <-- I don't really care < 1281739427 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, then just map them directly. < 1281739470 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alpha->a, beta->b, gamma->c, delta->d, epsilon->e, zeta->f, eta->g, theta->h? < 1281739506 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not? < 1281739524 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like something I can us without memorising my special scheme. < 1281739530 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll just use what the letters look like in English. < 1281739682 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the next best option. < 1281739844 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I have right now: < 1281739856 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :αβγδεζηθικλμνξοπρστυφχψω < 1281739857 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :abgdezhqiklmnxoprstufcyw < 1281739943 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION finds out how babel's greek option does it < 1281739996 0 :tombom__!tombom@86.26.79.31 JOIN :#esoteric < 1281740065 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :babel uses abgdezhjiklmnxoprstufqyw < 1281740076 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is almost exactly mine < 1281740089 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would it use q for \chi?! < 1281740150 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beats me. < 1281740164 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would it use j for theta? < 1281740168 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my alphabet is the best so far. < 1281740169 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say, why don't you use letters with similar/same orthography? < 1281740178 0 :tombom_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1281740183 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Whaddya mean? < 1281740184 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, no, that fails for stuff like theta. < 1281740187 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use letters that look similar? < 1281740189 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, sounds the same. < 1281740195 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1281740197 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Orthography is writing. < 1281740209 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: No, letters that derived from the same letter in Phoenecian script. < 1281740215 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, Oracle just sued Google < 1281740218 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Okay. You go find those letters out. < 1281740221 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :over Android/Java < 1281740222 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: just = a little while ago < 1281740232 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just = since I was last online < 1281740238 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know what the allegations are? < 1281740244 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1281740250 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :& i don't particularly care < 1281740260 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copyright and patent infringement, apparently < 1281740264 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1281740268 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/ne/pdfs/FINAL_Complaint.pdf < 1281740268 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, OpenSolaris is dead. < 1281740280 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you trudge through the legalese < 1281740301 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: * no longer officially supported as a source+binary release < 1281740304 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet someone will fork < 1281740328 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to be over Android's Java implementation, which Google wrote themselves. < 1281740341 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How dare they. < 1281740351 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oracle shouts intellectual property, suing happens. < 1281740366 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess as to what this is about is: Java's license requires you to stick to the Java standards < 1281740373 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Android doesn't follow those standards < 1281740386 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, anyone want to bet on the probability that this would have happened if oracle /didn't/ acquire sun? < 1281740390 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my bet is 0 < 1281740397 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking oracle < 1281740402 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, probably. < 1281740410 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sun did sue Microsoft for much the same reason, and win < 1281740420 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's likely to have encouraged Oracle to take on Google < 1281740450 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, the scribd link stops working after several pages < 1281740459 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the program to copy stdin to X11 clipboard/selection? < 1281740460 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget < 1281740473 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so use the pdf < 1281740476 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/ne/pdfs/FINAL_Complaint.pdf < 1281740480 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scribd is bullshit anyway < 1281740486 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, there's a PDF? < 1281740488 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aren't there tonnes of 3rd-party Java implementations? < 1281740488 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1281740490 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i keep linking it < 1281740492 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but your stupid filter stops me < 1281740493 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gaaaawd Scribd is bad. < 1281740494 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry < 1281740498 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll grab it from the log < 1281740501 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: agreed < 1281740504 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: suggestion: replace links with "[link]", instead of filtering them out entirely < 1281740506 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/ne/pdfs/FINAL_Complaint.pdf < 1281740507 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yes, but they mostly follow the standards < 1281740508 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you go < 1281740510 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I do < 1281740519 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, (link) < 1281740533 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok, how about replacing them with (link /tmp/foo) where /tmp/foo contains the url >_> < 1281740536 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pornthataiscanthave.com/ < 1281740540 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR, how about just making them a dimmer colour. < 1281740544 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops, misspelled Kant. < 1281740553 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what sort of domain "i.i.com.com" is < 1281740556 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: Don't worry, ais523 won't miss it. < 1281740559 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: com.com = cnet < 1281740568 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.i = the weirdest smiley ever < 1281740573 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: ab(g or c)dezh(DNE)(i or j)klmnxo(DNE)rsty(DNE)(DNE)(DNE)(DNE) < 1281740585 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1281740587 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DNE? < 1281740587 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Well, that's not helpful. At all. < 1281740592 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Does Not Exist, I'd assume. < 1281740595 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1281740598 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Find an earlier common route :D < 1281740599 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1281740602 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*common ancestor < 1281740611 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: The common ancestor *was Greek*! < 1281740612 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a later one, if that's the issue. < 1281740619 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Dog gammit < 1281740631 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Roman alphabet just didn't borrow enough. < 1281740634 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, this complaint isn't particularly interesting < 1281740642 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Google's response will be more interesting, along the lines of "we have a license" < 1281740647 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Would you like me to fill in the blanks with other things that make sense? < 1281740668 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes. Here are my romanisations for the blanks, just for the record: < 1281740681 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it looks like Oracle are just stropping over Google writing their own Java VM. < 1281740692 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :q, p, fcyw < 1281740697 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have upsilon as u instead, since y is psi) < 1281740751 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: y comes from upsilon. < 1281740751 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1281740764 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that. < 1281740766 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :German name for y is "Ypsilon" < 1281740766 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then what of psi? < 1281740773 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :again: then what of psi? < 1281740791 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I am absolutely not using q for theta; that's reserved for the (no longer used) Qoppa. < 1281740792 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't be bothered to Google variadic functions in Scheme; someöne here tell me how to do them. < 1281740794 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1281740804 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Oh, shut UP wrt Qoppa. < 1281740810 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(okay, I may not have a choice) < 1281740814 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: (lambda (foo . rest) ...) (lambda rest ...) < 1281740816 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rest is a list < 1281740832 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: wrt that diaeresis: you need it on a bunch of other words too < 1281740842 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. the second a in variadic < 1281740850 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I'm not going to reuse that one. < 1281740853 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suggestion: only diaeresis identical vowels. < 1281740856 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a one-off. < 1281740876 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, I can't think of a good romanisation for psi. < 1281740885 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: In some languages (most notably German), the name upsilon, (üppsilon) is used to refer to the Latin letter Y as well as the Greek letter. < 1281740888 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that doesn't gel with what you said < 1281740906 0 :Wamanuz4!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1281740907 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I'm going by what I was taught in school < 1281740919 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't find it completly implausible that the textbook was lying < 1281740962 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh. Phi, chi, and psi have unknown origins. < 1281741065 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :abgdezhqiklmnxoprstyfcjw -- ? < 1281741099 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The j is totally arbitrary. < 1281741117 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1281741130 0 :Wamanuz3!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1281741159 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anybody have suggestions for how I should arrange my music web site to clearly but non-confusingly give access to OGG, MP3, FLAC, DPR, DPR-pedal, PDF, RG and Ly files for each thing? :P < 1281741191 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W, group by track? < 1281741231 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So == op1 ==\n*mp3\n*ogg\n*flac... < 1281741266 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That much is obvious, but it's information overload to just have an enormous pile of links under each one. < 1281741267 0 :FireFly!~firefly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1281741275 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1281741275 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1281741277 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W, drop-down menu? < 1281741282 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: Yes, I do have an idea. < 1281741297 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Drop-down menu is good! < 1281741312 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Are you considering sharing this idea? :P < 1281741321 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sec < 1281741332 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W, it probably requires a redesign of the very concept of networks. < 1281741334 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's DPR{,-pedal}? < 1281741349 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Digital piano roll, and same with the pedal replaced by held notes. < 1281741368 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A MIDI file, but I don't like to call it "MIDI" since that implies that some MIDI metadata is meaningful which isn't in DPRs. < 1281741374 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inscrutable icons -- preferrably completely made-up -- for different formats is also good. < 1281741380 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: Performance - Notation < 1281741390 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: Performance drop-downs to the audio files and the DPR files. < 1281741396 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Notation drops down to the PDF, RG and Ly files. < 1281741405 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note: I thought of this before Phantom_Hoover, I just read it a bit later. :| < 1281741412 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1281741421 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody gets credit for the idea either way, so no crying ;) < 1281741434 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest the ordering for the menus be: < 1281741440 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, how do you know when I thought of it? < 1281741463 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{OGG, MP3, FLAC, DPR, DPR-pedal} and {PDF, Rosegarden, LilyPond} < 1281741484 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: So, the order I listed them in. Thanks X-P < 1281741489 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: Oops. < 1281741492 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did manually order them :P < 1281741503 0 :augur!~augur@c-71-196-120-234.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1281741509 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rationale: OGG should be above MP3 for advocacy reasons and the fact that most people can play Ogg Vorbis these days; FLAC afterwards because most people don't want FLAC, and DPR lastly because nobody knows what the fuck DPR is. < 1281741521 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants FLAC < 1281741524 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PDF first for notation since most people just want to take a look, Rosegarden for the tinkerers, and LilyPond for people who want to criticise your source code. < 1281741527 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Which is why it's in the list. < 1281741530 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: True. < 1281741539 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1281741545 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because freaks like me that are offended that there is not-FLAC in ~/audio < 1281741551 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because of, rather. < 1281741556 0 :augur!~augur@c-71-196-120-234.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1281741588 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Hell, I'm offended that non-Blu-Ray exists in ~/video. < 1281741601 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, dammit, it should be ~/music. Unless you really keep random audio in there. < 1281741602 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blu-Ray isn't comparable to FLAC, it's still lossy :P < 1281741612 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: It's not all music. < 1281741629 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: Yes but UNFORTUNATELY I don't have that kind of hard disk or ability to force everyone to release in that format. < 1281741629 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about ~/media . That word is so broad as to be useless, therefore it's perfect. < 1281741630 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: "Best you can get" in general, though. < 1281741637 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: Even editing is done with lossy formats! < 1281741640 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just very high-quality lossy formats. < 1281741645 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: The worst kind of editing. < 1281741647 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, technically FLAC is still lossy. Just doesn't lose any data that humans can here. < 1281741655 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: But but ~/video~ < 1281741662 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: Erm ... you do realise even the most HD movie is still edited in lossy format? < 1281741665 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/o~/o!/ < 1281741666 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Also, technically FLAC is still lossy. Just doesn't lose any data that humans can here. < 1281741667 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incorrect. < 1281741673 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is as lossy as zip. < 1281741680 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I'm just using "the worst kind" as a broad statement :P < 1281741685 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deflac . flac = id < 1281741689 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: No, no, the *audio encoding* is itself lossy. < 1281741693 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Oh. < 1281741700 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FLAC is "lossy" in that you can't get audio to the input format of FLAC without loss, but that's a stupid argument. < 1281741702 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's raw digital audio data being lossy, not the FLAC encoding. < 1281741708 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but still. < 1281741723 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Show me a better analogue audio storage method than vinyl, and I'll consider your objection! < 1281741726 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaker . deflac . flac . microphone != id, though anyone who can *tell* is named Clark Kent. < 1281741728 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's like saying PNG is lossy because you can't take a photon-per-photon accurate picture. < 1281741730 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1281741735 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: It IS. < 1281741736 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1281741753 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So wait, a tool that edits JPEGs without causing any quality distortion -- say rearranging parts of the image or something -- is lossy because JPEG is? < 1281741762 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That MP3 cutting tool is lossy? < 1281741763 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I'm being silly is all. < 1281741767 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1281741807 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways: it still upsets me that people actually *make* greater-than-41kHz audio recordings. < 1281741816 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BDXL < 1281741816 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The BDXL format supports 100GB and 128GB write-once discs[154][155] and 100GB rewritable discs for commercial applications. It was defined in June 2010. < 1281741817 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG. < 1281741821 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blu-Ray just got even hotter. < 1281741822 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll give 48kHz a pass, but only barely. < 1281741844 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You must hate CDs. < 1281741853 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Thinko. < 1281741859 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, useful for backups < 1281741862 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is about all < 1281741874 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : pikhq: So wait, a tool that edits JPEGs without causing any quality distortion -- say rearranging parts of the image or something -- is lossy because JPEG is? < 1281741876 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1281741880 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used such a tool yesterday < 1281741885 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: What, a 128 GiB disc you can fit in a large-sized pocket? < 1281741890 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is only useful for backups? < 1281741891 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: We're just making fun of pikhq :P < 1281741893 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are the most boring fucking person alive. < 1281741902 0 :clumsy_!~clumsy@f051139132.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1281741912 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One: Effectively infinite porn collection. Two: Multiple high-definition movies. < 1281741917 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W, ah < 1281741919 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Three: IT'S 128 GIB IN A FUCKING CD-SIZED DISC < 1281741920 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my day is now better < 1281741922 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT HAS EVERY USAGE THAT EXISTS < 1281741925 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Effectively infinite my foot! < 1281741928 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can code and watch Futurama simultaneously < 1281741941 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: How high-quality is your porn?! < 1281741942 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: That would barely cover one of the dozens of GENRES of porn in my collection! < 1281741949 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Three: IT'S 128 GIB IN A FUCKING CD-SIZED DISC <-- yes? < 1281741951 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Genres? I hope they're ontologically taxonomic! < 1281741964 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Classical" "Hard rock" < 1281741977 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My rock is so hard, baby. < 1281741989 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, my /home is larger than 128 GB < 1281741991 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to imagine what kind of penis could be called a "rock" XD < 1281741996 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly due to virtualbox < 1281742028 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Anyway, Nyquist-Shannon sez that digital audio can very well be lossless from analogue. < 1281742044 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: a rock cock, obviously < 1281742051 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Not in any real-world circumstance, though. < 1281742069 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: rock cock, portmanteau time! Wait ... that's just "rock" < 1281742080 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1281742091 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yeah, but... Good god, what is the possible benefit of going, say, 4 *times* that? < 1281742111 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Sexy times < 1281742115 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :128 kHz PCM audio. This is a real thing. < 1281742130 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: or geodude's pokecock < 1281742143 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably they reproduce, and they're made of rock < 1281742143 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1281742164 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol "Philip Fry" < 1281742172 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: they reproduce asexually < 1281742175 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: awesome < 1281742177 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: lies < 1281742203 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'm willing to believe that moar bitz than 16 help, though. That HDCD rip was noticeably different from the CD version. < 1281742215 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume they didn't master the two separately, considering they were released at the ~same time. < 1281742224 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yes, there exist actual differences from bitness. < 1281742242 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You get a higher amount of dynamic range possible with higher bits. < 1281742251 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: This wasn't even a /proper/ more-bitness; "HDCD encodes the equivalent of 20 bits worth of data in a 16-bit digital audio signal by using custom dithering, audio filters, and some reversible amplitude and gain encoding; Peak Extend, which is a reversible soft limiter and Low Level Range Extend, which is a reversible gain on low-level signals. There is thus a benefit at the expense of a very minor increase in noise.[2][3][4][5]" < 1281742251 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : augur: they reproduce asexually <-- didn't they reproduce through pokemon daycare? < 1281742256 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1281742274 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even there, going beyond 24 bits is absolutely retarded. < 1281742275 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But it did sound better (the rip was processed with a DSP and spat out to a 24-bit FLAC) < 1281742280 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*FLAC). < 1281742286 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 4 extra bits were just zeroed out. < 1281742315 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most compelling reason to go beyond 24 bits is that there are no 24-bit computers. < 1281742317 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: pokemon reproduce sexually, or lay eggs < 1281742318 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, unless you are going to do something strange to it < 1281742322 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*and lay eggs < 1281742326 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And we <3 powers of 2. < 1281742334 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strangely, even the genderless ones reproduce sexually, but only with Dittos < 1281742334 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Wow, Pokésex is actually canon? < 1281742341 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: it's kind-of brushed over < 1281742344 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, such as processing it < 1281742347 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's canon enough < 1281742347 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: Okay, true. 32-bit audio has reasons. < 1281742349 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to just playing it < 1281742350 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even competitively relevnat < 1281742352 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*relevant < 1281742356 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That's not how anything works at all. < 1281742359 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Presumably Dittos are hermaphroditic. < 1281742360 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flawless dittos are highly valued as good parents < 1281742360 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are lots of 24-bit DSP chips in audio hardware, though. < 1281742363 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, well it does for images < 1281742368 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: they're shapechangers < 1281742371 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No. < 1281742373 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :willing to act as either gender < 1281742375 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Wow. < 1281742376 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You are thinking of *compression*. < 1281742378 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, viewing in 16 bits works fine, I use more for HDR processing though < 1281742381 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and can even become the opposite gender to "genderless", whatever that is < 1281742383 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "This time, *I'll* have the cock!" < 1281742387 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, THAT is what I'm talking about < 1281742394 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: strangely, dittos can't breed with each other < 1281742399 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only with other species < 1281742399 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, HDR for audio doesn't make much sense though < 1281742402 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, I don't think you grok. 24 bit audio is enough to represent *the total dynamic range possible in air*. < 1281742406 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: This is getting hotter by the second! < 1281742410 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, ah < 1281742412 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, cool < 1281742419 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ditto: [appears as attractive female Pikachu] Pikachu: Pika... < 1281742420 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1281742422 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Hm, that seems ... unlikely ... < 1281742427 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: presumably the opposite of genderless is the entire gender spectrum < 1281742428 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what about other materials? < 1281742430 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of a gender overload < 1281742434 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps < 1281742438 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(IIRC) < 1281742464 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I actually have a flawless ditto on my own Pokémon cartridge, specifically for if I need to breed a flawless baby Pokémon) < 1281742479 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks to make sure not talking out of ass < 1281742526 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and used it to breed a flawless shiny Beldum, for use in a tournament) < 1281742533 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: The dynamic range in decibels is *approximately* 6 dB per bit. < 1281742536 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: So wait, can a Ditto impregnate a female of another species with a Ditto? < 1281742553 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the child is always a member of the other species < 1281742562 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no canon-supported way to get a baby ditto < 1281742570 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes it quite a mystery where the things come from < 1281742586 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, mitosis? < 1281742592 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(more confusingly, a ditto + a male of the other species can give a baby of the other species; presumably the ditto lays the egg in that case) < 1281742624 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: perhaps, they're the right shape for it in their "natural" form < 1281742654 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1281742707 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, dunno if you'll be interested, but I got the Lazy K IO thing working, and I'm trying to get a basic do notation working. < 1281742718 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1281742737 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well do notation is simple, the haskell report contains explicit translation rules < 1281742753 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yeah, but it does some weird stuff. < 1281742776 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course, you have to engineer around Lazy K's lack of explicit scheduling by hand. < 1281742787 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the fail part is not relevant < 1281742828 0 :mutoga!~Shiva@3615mylife.foreverlovingjah.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1281742831 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you add some kind of exceptions to your monad. or for that matter, pattern matching that might fail to your language < 1281742889 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't think the lack of scheduling would be a problem as long as your bind does it properly? < 1281742901 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but if Dittos are specified to sexually reproduce it can't be mitosis < 1281742907 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's not really reproduction if it's not a Ditto < 1281742914 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, yes < 1281742922 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can see /why/ the canon glosses over the details < 1281742925 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and only lets you see the end results < 1281742934 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you'll need to use reading operations that give the right scheduling when applied to the lazy input, i guess < 1281742946 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a result, the details of inheritance, etc, are well known, the mechanisms aren't < 1281742949 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, have you read Gould's article on Lazy K? < 1281742959 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It explains the scheduling problems. < 1281742961 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: pertinent question from friend: "...what if two dittos became the same Pokémon?" < 1281742973 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no, link? < 1281742976 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: canonically, they don't mate in that situation < 1281742978 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I have no idea why < 1281742994 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It comes down to the fact that Lazy K is non-strict, so you have no guarantee in which order IO will be performed. < 1281742995 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also question: what if a Ditto becomes pregnant while female, then reverts to genderless form? < 1281742996 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise couldn't dittos do both? < 1281743002 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: where does the baby go? how does the baby get born? < 1281743012 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: pokemon reproduction happens /very/ quickly < 1281743017 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as I said, they lay eggs < 1281743023 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: very well < 1281743026 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, http://homepages.cwi.nl/~tromp/cl/lazy-k.html , look for "fall from grace". < 1281743028 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: um i thought it should work as long as lazy k is maximally lazy < 1281743031 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've known one Pokémon to lay two eggs in the same minute before < 1281743031 0 :mutoga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Excess Flood < 1281743037 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although the eggs take quite a bit longer to hatch) < 1281743045 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok, what if the ditto changes back before the egg has hatched, really quickly? < 1281743058 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you never get to see that bit < 1281743060 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the canon is silent < 1281743076 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :form a wildly guessing theory, that's the thing fans are good for < 1281743093 0 :mutoga!~Shiva@3615mylife.foreverlovingjah.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1281743104 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just invoke rule 34 on dittos? < 1281743109 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, you did that :P < 1281743112 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well yeah it's a problem if you don't assume lazy-k is maximally lazy, yes < 1281743123 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but presumable it is, so you can get around it < 1281743126 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ly < 1281743129 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: inducing rule 34 on Pokémon is completely pointles < 1281743131 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*pointless < 1281743137 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're the world's best rule 34 example ever < 1281743140 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like half the rule 34 out there is pokemon < 1281743157 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I realised that after I said it < 1281743162 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yeah, you can get around it, but there are certain niggly cases which I can't think of how to deal with using the bind operator alone. < 1281743175 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could probably easily find ditto porn < 1281743178 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just wouldn't be canon < 1281743178 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, night → < 1281743180 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1281743187 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: confirmed, ditto porn exists < 1281743210 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sheds no light on this situation < 1281743210 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: it exist for every species that's been officially announced or even leaked unofficially, even if we don't know the details yet < 1281743215 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it exists < 1281743221 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess nobody is crazy enough to create ditto pregnancy porn < 1281743229 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: hm... i could imagine it would be a problem if you had some f such that a >>= f does not cause a to be looked at at all until it's too late... < 1281743272 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yeah, that's the niggly issue. < 1281743274 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://thedailypos.org/content/coralmayhem/images/baddittobad.jpg <-- This Ditto is apparently just hugging, as it has no genitals. < 1281743289 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also pertinent question from the same person: "Can dittos love?" XD < 1281743295 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: so you need to write your bind such that it forces a to be applied first < 1281743304 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yeah, that's the trouble. < 1281743314 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I don't think there's a really common shipping involving dittos < 1281743325 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you get all sorts of that sort of thing at the fringe < 1281743332 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's certainly possible for Pokémon to love, though < 1281743344 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they asked it because they were considering the sad situation of two dittos attracted to each other < 1281743351 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH all of the IO functions give appending strings, so it's not as much of an issue in practice. < 1281743374 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I'm getting slightly tearful just thinking about it < 1281743386 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1281743418 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries some tests. < 1281743433 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: waitwait, dittos can breed with genderless pokemon? < 1281743435 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW HOW HOW < 1281743445 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beats me < 1281743450 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not /all/ genderless pokémon, admittedly < 1281743452 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but quite a few < 1281743463 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it produces genderless children, of the same time as the parent non-ditto < 1281743466 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in eggs) < 1281743471 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same time? < 1281743481 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so, wait, can dittos transform into dittos? < 1281743489 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, they can < 1281743498 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because then a ditto could have sex with a ditto because dittos can transform into genderless pokemon to breed with genderless pokemon < 1281743499 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it tends to be kind-of pointless < 1281743505 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ergo if two dittos transform into a ditto, they can reproduce < 1281743506 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: as I said, not all genderless pokemon < 1281743510 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit < 1281743524 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not all gendered pokémon too, fwiw; e.g. ditto+latias does nothing < 1281743533 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* ditto x latias < 1281743544 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because crosses are more normal in this sort of hypothetical discussion < 1281743564 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe dittos don't reproduce, baby dittos just spontaneously form < 1281743570 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Not /? < 1281743582 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ means something slightly different < 1281743590 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it'd be specific members of a species < 1281743592 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right? < 1281743596 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember < 1281743599 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1281743602 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't read that sort of fiction ;) < 1281743620 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I bet you could find an expert on Pokémon slashfiction if you tried < 1281743623 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That ;) turned it from a regular ais523 statement to something entirely more creepy for some reason I can't put my finger on. < 1281743639 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: because I never use that particular smiley < 1281743645 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was actually a typo for :) < 1281743657 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it's more because the ;) always seems vaguely sexual to me < 1281743659 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a creepy way < 1281743661 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I do use occasionally, for ironic reasons of my own < 1281743673 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, there's a disc that can contain 1 to 10 TiB < 1281743675 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_Versatile_Disc < 1281743685 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hot < 1281743687 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: *Anyways*. The maximum volume in air is 194 dB. 24-bit audio gets up to 146 dB. And 32-bit audio gets up to 194 dB. < 1281743689 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hot. < 1281743699 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what about SPACE MUSIC < 1281743702 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: So clearly, 32-bit audio is the maximum audio bit rate that makes any sense at all. < 1281743764 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though even that makes only some sense; 130 dB is where the sound starts *directly causing pain*. < 1281743810 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Below that, it only causes pain indirectly by being shitty music. < 1281743818 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1281743872 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :194 dB will cause pain to pretty much everything with the ability to feel pain. < 1281743900 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ab/Trinity_explosion_film_strip.jpg A photo of 194 dB sound. < 1281743910 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: note that if the fundamental thing you do with a >>= f is to look at its _output_ (which it should be) then a _is_ always considered first. so what you want to ensure i think is that whenever you look at the output of a primitive action, it's input effect is guaranteed to be produced first. if this is true for primitive actions i think it will work for composed ones < 1281743976 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for bind, you need to ensure that the output part of a can be extracted from a >>= f without looking at f. < 1281743991 0 :clumsy_!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?