00:00:02 the uncursed food ration is rotten <3 00:00:21 * Sgeo barfs on alise 00:00:30 Why ... thank you ... 00:00:56 You know, <3 doesn't mean I actually love it 00:00:57 *it. 00:01:24 ais523: I have very poor vision; I see random things outside my vision. 00:01:26 This would be the mines? 00:01:38 yes 00:01:40 In tiles, the walls would be strange 00:01:50 Sgeo: ? 00:01:53 your visible-light vision only stretches one square 00:01:59 ais523: Mines are bad, right? At least for morons like me. 00:02:03 ais523: also, I see walls further 00:02:03 but you have infravision, which sees warm-bodied animals at a much greater range 00:02:10 but only walls 00:02:11 and they're slightly harder than the main dungeons 00:02:18 hmm, ? 00:02:57 ? 00:03:29 If your hunger is <200 (hungry is 150, so pretty close to it) and eat while hallu, the message is the rather nice "Oh wow, like, superior, man!" (instead of the usual "hit the spot" one). 00:03:50 (Though in fact just about all the hallucinating messages are great.) 00:04:03 Is there a way to use the hallucinating messages constantly but not have the other effects? 00:04:04 Thank you. :P 00:04:22 alise, there's a permahallu thing that you can compile in 00:04:26 But you get "other effects" 00:04:28 Darn. 00:04:34 ais523: AceHack feature request. 00:04:53 (I think) 00:05:06 -!- Flonk has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.8/20100722155716]). 00:05:25 2 food rations or a trip ration; any suggestions as to which is likely to be safest? 00:06:09 tripe is generally for animals I think 00:06:20 Om nom nom food ration 00:06:21 Tripe-eating hallu-msg: "Tastes great! Less filling!" 00:06:38 fizzie: :D 00:06:56 My "map out the whole level before descending" strategy isn't a very good one, is it? 00:07:25 People do the map-everything; I don't strictly adhere to it, but mostly. 00:08:05 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 00:08:25 (Oh, it's only "tastes great" if it would taste great: maybe_polyd(is_orc(youmonst.data), Race_if(PM_ORC)). The usual "Yak - dog food!" is not changed. 00:09:07 Ooh, a wand. ...Wands are good, right? 00:09:29 As long as it's not a wand of cancellation you're stuffing in your BOH. 00:09:37 My what now? 00:09:40 alise, don't zap it at yourself 00:09:41 Bag of holding. 00:09:44 BOH = Bag of Holding 00:09:54 Right, sorry, Holding with a capital eich. 00:09:54 They die when you put /cancel in 00:10:21 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 00:10:39 Uh, looks like Felix didn't want to follow me down. 00:10:44 Should I go and catch em or will e come? 00:11:06 It will not come, and may go un-tame if you leave it for too long. 00:11:08 Go and catch him 00:11:18 He needs to be next to you when you descend 00:11:31 OK. 00:11:45 Gnome lord. Eek? 00:12:14 Do, what do I do?! 00:12:20 I don't even know what a gnome lord IS. 00:13:18 It's just a gnome with a superiority complex. 00:13:27 Whack it with something sharp? 00:13:29 It means I'm in Minetown, doesn't it? 00:13:45 But I have a lot of vision -- I can see . many squares away. 00:14:03 Don't drink from the fountain.. especially if it's about to dry up 00:14:08 Actually, n/m 00:14:11 You should be warned 00:14:24 Sgeo: Yeah, I just quaffed a fountain before then remembered that's the thing you /shouldn't/ do 00:14:25 *do. 00:15:25 fizzie: Is it possible to get gnome lords outside of minetown? 00:15:34 I would think so, yes. 00:15:44 And will a long sword dispose of one? 00:15:49 But you get a whole lot of Gs in the mines. 00:16:04 They're not especially tough, if I remember right. 00:16:05 Wait, I already have it equipped. 00:16:17 fizzie: I can see .s more than one square away; so not Minetown, right? 00:16:36 The mines can be lit up sometimes. 00:16:42 What? You can have Pestilence as a pet? 00:16:45 fizzie: Okay, rephrase: How can I tell?! 00:16:57 alise, in Debug mode, definitely 00:17:19 If it has square rooms (and is not actually in the town bit), it's not the mines. 00:17:19 Sgeo: this is from an ascension 00:17:35 Sgeo: someone ascended while having pestilence as a pet. 00:17:39 fizzie: square = rectangular? 00:17:44 Right. 00:17:51 The normal dungeony stuff. 00:17:53 Really attack the gnome lord? [yn] (n) 00:17:56 That sounds ominous. 00:17:59 Squares can hold exactly 1 dragon. They can hold 1 kitten 00:18:00 Oh, it's friendly. 00:18:06 alise, means it's peaceful 00:18:08 n 00:18:10 Or at least non-hostile. 00:18:14 Okay. I'll just walk around it then. 00:18:52 Lycanthropy! 00:18:54 Oh, dear. 00:19:09 Any ... easy ... way to undo that? 00:19:28 (If you went through the normal mines and arrived a place with regular rooms, that's the minetown. I'm not sure which one you wanted to distinguish.) 00:19:59 fizzie: I was just trying to avoid anything that wasn't regular dungeon. 00:20:07 Anyway, yeah, Lycantrophy. 00:20:40 Cool, I'm going to turn into a rat. The most exciting werecreature there is. 00:20:46 You can pray, if it's safe in general. 00:20:51 You turn into a wererat! You can no longer hold your shield!--More-- 00:20:54 fizzie: So, just #pray? 00:21:02 Cool, I find I must drop my weapon. 00:21:05 It's a "major problem' and will be fixed ~first. 00:21:12 Use the command #monster to summon help.--More-- ;; what? 00:21:18 You can't even move a handspan with this load! 00:21:25 fizzie: #pray would be a good idea now wouldn't it? 00:21:34 You can summon more rats if you want. 00:21:37 *now, 00:21:46 fizzie: That sounds fun, but I can't move without dropping things, and I don't even have a shield or weapon. 00:21:51 If it's been long enough from your last prayer session. 00:21:57 I haven't ever prayed. 00:22:07 *I haven't ever prayed -- might have something to do with the fact that this is only level 5. 00:22:16 Yay, purified. 00:22:18 That's better. 00:22:56 Holy water will also unlycanthropize you, if you happen to have some around. But it's useful for blessing things too. 00:23:12 Y an apelike creature (monkey) [seen: infravision] 00:23:25 I just killed a great ape; go me. 00:23:46 Well, okay, so monkeys aren't great apes. 00:23:56 Monkeys steal stuff; that's annoying. 00:24:03 Yeah. Fuck monkeys! 00:24:14 No thanks 00:25:23 The pony kicks! The pony bites! 00:25:43 I think I'm going to die ... from a pony! 00:25:51 Nope, I killed it. Phew. 00:26:19 Felix suddenly disappears! -- he's dead now, isn't he. 00:26:46 He might have fallen through a hole, I'd guess. 00:27:06 ^ a trap (teleportation trap) 00:27:10 Oh. 00:27:15 He's gone, isn't he. 00:27:22 Then he's just elsewhere on the same level. 00:27:31 Better find him quick. 00:27:44 fizzie: Okay, there are Gs EVERYWHERE. This is surely minetown -- but I didn't go through any mines! 00:28:01 Or is it just the mines? 00:28:15 Oh, there aren't /that/ many gnomes. 00:28:19 Can't be the mines. 00:28:59 Oh, he's right there. 00:29:14 The minetown is easy to recognize, since it has one of the N (where N is small) fixed alternative maps in the middle (largest) part. 00:30:04 Anyway, if you saw those two downstairs, went down one, and it was still just dungeony, you're still in the main branch. 00:30:15 I only saw one downstairs. 00:30:22 I couldn't find another; but I didn't look very hard. 00:30:25 Just be careful, sometimes Gnomes carry wands of death... :-> 00:30:38 But there was only one G on the last level; Wikihack says there should have been loads, so there we go. 00:31:12 The mines are very different-looking, with irregularish walls and so on. 00:31:31 Yeah, this is just an usually G'ish level of the regular dungeon, I think. 00:32:11 A gnome infestation is no laughing matter! 00:32:54 You might consider the services of a gnomerminator. 00:32:58 Things that are here: 00:32:59 a looking glass 00:32:59 ┌───┐ a dark potion 00:32:59 │···│ ┌────────┐ ┌─────── a two-handed sword 00:32:59 │····##########·········│ │>······ --More-- 00:33:00 Ooh... 00:33:05 Yes please. 00:34:40 Don't break the mirror ("looking glass"), it's seven years (or -2) of bad luck. 00:34:58 Sweet. 00:35:37 You can apply it to yourself for a silly message, though. 00:37:08 You feel your magical energy drain away! Felix bites the orc zombie.--More-- 00:37:09 Hum ... 00:38:33 Anti-magic field; fun. 00:38:39 It just decrements yor energy ("MP") a bit. 00:38:47 Felix! Come next to the fucking downstairs. 00:39:00 Prosituting stairs? 00:39:12 Sgeo: You know, every time I curse you don't have to make a sexual joke. 00:39:18 Pick up all the whistles you see; a magical one is very useful for pet-management. 00:40:02 Chain mail. That's gotta be heavy. 00:40:09 I can probably drop a lot of these weapons, right? 00:40:13 +0 dagger, orcish dagger ... 00:40:41 *You know, you don't have to make a sexual joke every time I curse. 00:42:04 I NEED DROPPING OPINIONS, I AM UNABLE TO MAKE DECISIONS ON MY OWN 00:42:28 alise, you're turning into me? 00:42:34 Yes. 00:42:38 alise: you don't generally need a huge variety of weapons 00:42:50 +1 long sword, +0 dagger, katana, orcish dagger, two-handed sword, scimitar 00:42:56 which are droppable, which are keepers? 00:43:07 i /could/ google it, but asking people feels less like cheating 00:43:10 like ais523! 00:43:20 (wrt people-over-google, not ask-ais523) 00:43:28 *asking-ais523 00:43:40 alise: katana and long sword are the only usable ones as melee weapons 00:43:50 the daggers make decent thrown weapons 00:44:06 katanas are better, but you can make the long sword into Excalibur 00:44:09 if you're lawful 00:44:09 Also, katanas are just better, according to tvtropes. 00:44:13 Agh. 00:44:29 ais523: I'll drop one of the daggers -- orcish > +0, right? 00:44:30 (Too late there.) 00:44:43 +0 > orcish 00:44:47 orcish stuff is worse than plain 00:44:51 okay 00:44:53 * Sgeo doesn't see alise as particularly lawful 00:44:59 Sgeo: but my valkyrie is 00:45:00 Trust the orcs to never make anything right. 00:45:03 but if you're using them as thrown weapons, you probably want more than one 00:45:09 ais523: might just dropping stuff make bad guys pick it up? 00:45:25 yes, but it's not normally worth worrying about 00:45:34 I tend to keep only one dagger for floating eye -throwing, but it's a bit awkward to pick it up always. 00:45:37 * alise drops orcish helm 00:45:38 That's what Elbereth's for, partially 00:45:42 Uh oh, only food I have is a tribe ration. 00:45:46 *tripe 00:45:54 A tribal ration. 00:45:59 don't eat it, it won't help 00:46:03 ais523: indeed 00:46:03 you should be eating corpses more 00:46:04 I just play wizards. Easy to force-bolt floating eyes 00:46:13 I also have two scrolls, three potions, a ring, a wand, and a looking glass. 00:46:18 go into the mines and slaughter gnomes mercilessly so you can feast on their flesh 00:46:24 Those don't sound particularly heavy. I still have too many weapons. 00:46:24 or alternatively, pick up all the free food in Sokoban 00:46:28 assuming you dare go there 00:46:35 +1 long sword / +0 dagger / katana / orcish dagger / scimitar 00:46:37 gotta drop one or two... 00:46:42 drop the scimitar 00:46:49 ais523: I don't dare. But I will try to eat more corpses; it's just I'm so worried about being poisoned. 00:46:50 also, the large box, if you still have /that/ 00:46:58 Is chain mail any good? 00:47:02 alise: you learn what's safe and what's dangerous after a while 00:47:06 No, I put down the large box immediately after I realised looting it was a better idea. 00:47:06 and chain mail is decent, but heavy 00:47:16 Better than my uncursed +3 small shield, presumably. 00:47:27 I'll keep both, so I can drop the chain mail when prudent. 00:47:35 `addquote you should be eating corpses more 00:47:47 "Felix picks up a scimitar." 00:47:49 214| you should be eating corpses more 00:47:50 Okay, so the context is too obvious, but I still liked it. 00:47:50 I don't trust you with that, Felix. 00:47:52 fizzie: that's only amusing out of context 00:47:59 ais523: and HackEgo eliminates context 00:48:01 ^style nethack 00:48:01 Selected style: nethack (NetHack 3.4.3 data.base, rumors.tru, rumors.fal) 00:48:04 fungot: be relevant 00:48:04 alise: they say that no living thing could behold her without being turned into a trance before she spoke. ( encyclopedia mythica, ed. m.f. lindemans) 00:48:11 fungot: be relevant 00:48:11 alise: they say that you can taste the delicious wine that much that he does " because now i know not. we can eat, and that was a favourite, and setting his lance into shivers, carrying him and shouted, " those six feet marked in chalk? much i talk, more numerous formerly than they are quite difficult to kill large animals. 00:48:25 fungot: is delicious wine like delicious cake? 00:48:25 ais523: they say that rubbing a glowing potion is too small to hurt or help you. now, and secretly covets moloch's position. moloch doesn't trust him, and elrond their child. ( three songs to the incautious adventurer who can cause the traveller to feel the latter his winged shoes, approached medusa while she slept and taking care not to apply genocide to shopkeepers. 00:48:42 * ais523 insists on interpreting the first sentence as innuendo 00:48:53 Elrond is a child of Moloch? Revelations! 00:49:07 also, Moloch is female, it seems from that 00:49:16 or gay and somehow capable of reproducing, I suppose 00:49:17 ais523: that must be the most stretched innuendo ever 00:49:37 also: hermaphroditic 00:49:43 is also an option 00:49:48 I suppose 00:51:56 Bear trap -- shit! 00:52:26 move diagonally to escape for it 00:52:39 (no, I don't know what the flavour justification for this is either; to teach people to use the diagonals?) 00:52:40 that's /it/? 00:52:42 what a terrible bear trap 00:52:47 *escape from 00:52:49 and agreed 00:52:53 although it takes several turns of moving diagonally 00:52:58 so it is at least combat-relevant 00:53:05 "BEAR MOVE FORWARDS! BEAR MOVE BACKWARDS! BEAR MOVE LEFT! BEAR MOVE RIGHT! ... BEAR MOVE DIAGONALLY! [breaks free]" 00:53:14 haha 00:53:46 I've never seen so many giant ants in my life! (Two) 00:54:01 Go Team a! 00:54:02 uh-oh, ants 00:54:03 go team a! 00:54:08 grr, Sgeo beat me 00:54:23 wat 00:54:36 you nethackkers have the craziest memes 00:54:39 yup 00:54:46 what's your cutesy name for yourself ala pythonista? 00:54:47 ants do get more kills than pretty much anything else, though 00:54:59 ┌────┐# 00:54:59 │··a@│# 00:54:59 │··fa│# 00:55:04 Not the createst corner I can imagine myself being in 00:55:08 * alise displaces Felix 00:55:09 so it helps to back the winning team 00:55:24 if they're winning, you might want to consider Elberething, even though it's a cheap tactic 00:55:25 ais523: Ha, I just killed 'em both. 00:55:29 HP:41(62) 00:55:34 *smoooooth* 00:55:41 EXP 6 INDAHAUS 00:55:41 (also, rather like XML; if it isn't working for you, you need to do more of it) 00:55:45 haha 00:56:37 ais523: don't you need something to write with and on to elbereth? 00:56:49 No 00:56:51 also, how did anyone play nethack in the days before google/wikihack? 00:56:53 You can use your finger 00:57:00 And write in the dust 00:57:10 (on the ground) 00:57:11 alise: they lost, generally speaking 00:57:13 also, there was rgrn 00:57:16 and later, IRC 00:57:29 * Sgeo is the founder of Wikihack 00:57:33 it feels like cheating, looking up all this useful stuff 00:57:47 Sgeo: "14 edits since October 11, 2005" 00:57:49 Sgeo: In name only ... 00:58:18 Do note that I called myself "Absentee" founder 00:59:04 Very, very absentee. :P 00:59:18 Sgeo: be embarassed 00:59:27 ais523: why? 00:59:44 NOT ANOTHER GIANT ANT!!!! 00:59:48 alise: it tends to contain rather spurious tactics advice 00:59:56 good on facts, but dubious on opinions 01:00:00 ais523: i'm just reading it for facts 01:00:08 ais523: anyway, take a look at http://nethack.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Sgeo 01:00:29 ais523: he literally just created a tiny skeleton wiki in one day then disappeared for two years, returning to make four minor edits over two years 01:00:30 that's it :P 01:00:39 so he's hardly to blame ... or credit ... for anything 01:01:03 -!- FireFly has quit (Quit: swatted to death). 01:01:48 are giant ant corpses ok? apart from being incredibly unnutritional 01:01:56 I think they're poisonous 01:02:09 a | giant ant | Spd: 18 | Small | Genocidable | Lvl: 2 | AC: 3 | MR: 0 | Difficulty: 4 | Align: 0 | Small groups | Corpse wgt: 10 | Nutr: 10 | Atk: bite physical 1d4 | Flags: nolimbs, carnivore, oviparous, nohands, animal, hostile 01:02:13 I may have promoted it a bit 01:03:05 ais523: felix just ate it 01:03:08 so i guess it's alright 01:03:11 ah, ok 01:03:15 maybe it's soldier ants that are dangerous 01:03:30 * alise picks up a food ration 01:03:38 a | soldier ant | Spd: 18 | Small | Genocidable | Lvl: 3 | AC: 3 | MR: 0 | Difficulty: 6 | Align: 0 | Small groups | Corpse wgt: 20 | Nutr: 5 | Conveys: poison resistance | Atk: bite physical 2d4, sting drain str 3d4 | Flags: poison resistance, nolimbs, pois, carnivore, oviparous, nohands, animal, hostile 01:03:41 "pois", so presumably 01:03:44 yep 01:03:45 PinoBot? 01:03:51 Vorpal: some nethack bot 01:03:58 Vorpal: asking it #!info name=monster name produces that stuff 01:04:00 oh, I tend to use rodney 01:04:09 rodney is human-edited 01:04:09 i would, but i don't know its syntax :P 01:04:12 PinoBot gives stats 01:04:12 ais523, yes 01:04:12 ah 01:04:12 true 01:04:18 i an imp or minor demon (manes) [seen: normal vision, infravision] 01:04:19 alise: /msg Rodney ??soldier ant 01:04:21 or whatever 01:04:24 I forget how bad imps are ... 01:04:24 ais523, rodney gives useful info too 01:04:27 they're both useful, but for different things 01:04:31 also, manes are popcorn 01:04:33 alise, are imps bad? 01:04:37 they're really easy, and really numerous 01:04:38 ??soldier ant [silence] 01:04:40 -!- tombom has quit (Quit: Leaving). 01:04:42 ais523: ok 01:04:45 the red threw me off 01:04:55 purple is the color of bad in NetHack 01:04:55 ais523: I'm at level 8 but have barely done anything; am I not grinding hard enough? :P 01:04:58 apart from grid bugs 01:05:02 alise: that sounds about right 01:05:10 ais523: what exp should i be at, roughly? 01:05:20 Oh wow, the room is filled with imps. 01:05:25 Bear trap -- shit! <-- Gnaw your foot off! The solution for Real Men(tm). 01:05:31 alise, the rodney info on soldier ants was rather useful IMO 01:05:40 alise: early game it hardly matters 01:05:48 the enemies scale to your level 01:05:54 fizzie, alise: iirc you have greater chance if you try to move diagonally out of a bear trap 01:05:55 in fact, overlevelling can be bad for that reason 01:05:58 strange is the ways of the RNG 01:06:08 ring mail? pah, i have chain mail 01:06:09 go me 01:06:15 Vorpal: yes, that's what ais523 told me 01:06:22 Vorpal: apparently you can only get out diagonally? 01:06:26 that's what ais523 seemed to imply 01:06:28 orthogonally works too 01:06:30 but it's much slower 01:06:40 alise, I think there is a 1/32 vs. 1/5 chance or something like that 01:06:44 is never eating until weak a bad idea? 01:06:46 well might not be that large 01:06:55 and the numbers might not be exactly that 01:07:00 alise, what made you play nethack btw? 01:07:12 Vorpal: i got it set up for a friend *shrug* 01:07:18 thus inspiring me to play 01:07:19 heh 01:07:35 alise, playing monk? 01:07:38 Peaceful dwarf! Orc! That RHYMES. 01:07:43 Vorpal: No -- Valkyrie; why? 01:07:51 iirc being weak exercises WIS if you are a monk 01:07:55 "You see here 9 rocks." Ooh, I should totally pick those up. 01:07:56 Vorpal: ha 01:08:03 The Uruk-hai hurls a swirly potion!--More-- 01:08:05 alise, might be Slash'EM only 01:08:06 A potion! How SCARY! 01:08:07 not sure 01:08:16 It broke into shards and I'm dizzy now. >_< 01:08:18 alise, weak abuses str I think 01:08:22 Call a swirly potion: 01:08:37 Is "@-dizzier" a good name? 01:08:41 alise, wait, it is hungry that exercises WIS 01:08:47 and weak abuses STR 01:08:47 Vorpal: I eat as soon as I turn weak, though. 01:08:50 I think that is it 01:08:55 Vorpal: So there should be no effect. 01:09:22 hm 01:09:28 check the nethack wiki 01:09:33 You mean SGEO'S WIKIHACK 01:09:36 PRODUCTION 01:09:38 alise, no? 01:09:43 alise, I meant nethack on wikia 01:09:45 Vorpal: yes, sgeo founded it 01:09:46 it is rather useful 01:09:49 Hehe: if a foobear (owlbear or bugbear) gets caught in a bear trap, and it's not in sight (so you don't get the "is caught" message), it produces a You_hear("the roaring of an angry bear!"); 01:09:50 alise, wait, what? 01:09:54 Vorpal: which just came up 01:09:59 alise, ??? 01:10:06 Vorpal: he calls himself an "absentee founder", i.e. he made 11 edits, 7 of which were done on the first day 01:10:10 and then disappeared for two years 01:10:12 :P 01:10:20 we literally talked about it five seconds ago 01:10:22 alise, did he ever play nethack? 01:10:29 Yes ... he plays Nethack ... 01:10:44 alise, but it isn't a shitty VR thingy? 01:10:50 alise, not 5 seconds, I just checked my scrollback 01:11:10 some 15 minutes ago it seems 01:11:10 You know, he is reading this, and you're being pretty rude ... 01:11:18 Interest in shitty VRs != no interest in anyhing else 01:11:19 alise, I know 01:11:36 *anything 01:11:44 It's been a while since I last touched NetHack 01:11:56 Mostly because I don't want to screw up my decent game on NAO 01:12:03 lol 01:12:04 Also, laptopness and I haven't mastered vi keys 01:12:11 a decent, dormant game isn't very impressive 01:12:16 bah, vi keys are great 01:12:18 apart from diagonals 01:12:29 yes, yes they are 01:12:47 I don't play on NAO, way way too much lag from here 01:12:49 coppro has lost the amend faith ;( 01:12:59 amend faith? 01:13:08 faith in my platonically-perfect editor! 01:13:11 he has turned to the Vi Side 01:13:33 Does your editor even exist in any form other than in your mind yet? 01:13:43 No! 01:13:47 But it was going to, at one point! 01:14:22 I guess it's truly cross-platform, it has identical functionality on all platforms existent and non-existent 01:14:32 Yes! 01:14:43 And ALL its features are incredibly powerful and intuitive! 01:14:51 alise: no, I have not lost faith 01:14:56 (so long as amend supports vi keys) 01:15:32 coppro: you do realise that you're not meant to use the movement keys in vi much at all? 01:15:37 you're meant to use /, w, b, etc. 01:15:41 alise: Yes. 01:15:52 also Ctrl-U and Ctrl-D and the like 01:15:58 amend will have navigational features like that, but probably not direct vi key support 01:16:01 but that shouldn't really matter 01:16:04 who even knows if i'll write amend 01:16:19 honestly, the thing I like most about vi is modality 01:16:30 IMO, that's a thing to hate 01:16:33 don't try to stuff everything into one set of keybindings, because that's dumb 01:16:42 coppro: jef raskin hates you! 01:16:50 that and the commands accepting motions 01:17:14 I assume jef raskin is some emacs guy? 01:17:17 no 01:17:19 -!- Mathnerd314 has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 01:17:25 jef raskin is possibly the greatest human-computer interaction specialist ever 01:17:33 making the command and the text it operates independent is a good thing 01:17:36 designer of the original Macintosh, Canon Cat, author of The Humane Interface 01:17:58 later in life, advocate of zooming user interfaces and stuff 01:18:01 Jef Raskin is right in some ways but wrong in others 01:18:08 father of aza raskin, mozilla usability guy 01:18:12 coppro: agreed 01:18:23 I don't like modality, but I don't like Emacs-style keyboard control either. 01:18:25 who knows what i like. 01:18:26 simple interfaces are good. In cases where interfaces need to be easy to learn, that's good 01:18:49 on the other hand, power users need complex interfaces because they need to do a billion things 01:19:25 for the power user, I prefer modality to trying to stuff everything into one interface 01:19:29 So, for my vaporware SL product, should I make two products? Easy-to-use, and power-user? 01:19:39 coppro: I firmly believe that simple interfaces can do complex things -- if I didn't believe that simple things can be plugged together in simple ways and create complex things, I wouldn't believe in atoms. 01:19:47 coppro: It's just a matter of finding the right one. 01:19:51 Sgeo: No. 01:19:56 honestly, the thing I like most about vi is modality <-- and the lack of that is why I use emacs 01:20:16 Vorpal: you know, neither Sgeo's or your expression of that opinion was interesting, helpful or relevant in any way 01:20:53 alise, to quote you: You know, he is reading this, and you're being pretty rude ... 01:21:06 I was criticising what you were saying; you were insulting Sgeo. 01:21:20 alise, you were insulting him too 01:21:23 in that line 01:21:29 I was not. 01:21:37 I was saying that both what Sgeo said and what you said was utterly pointless. 01:21:45 alise, yes that is insulting 01:22:06 Vorpal: You're an idiot who doesn't understand what "insulting" means. See, only the first half of that sentence was insulting. Now just stop bothering me. 01:22:08 do Wiis have an SD reader? 01:22:12 ais523: what do I call a swirly potion i know nothing about? 01:22:19 CakeProphet: yes 01:22:19 you don't 01:22:25 Call a swirly potion: 01:22:26 it's just giving you the chance to name it as it just broke 01:22:28 ah 01:22:29 and you couldn't otherwise 01:22:30 just press enter? 01:22:34 alise, you fail to see what is insulting to some. Now shut up. 01:22:35 yep 01:23:05 Vorpal: Insulting is when I say something rude to you. "You just said something irrelevant" is not insultING, even if you are insulted; because only personal comments can be insults and therefore insulting. 01:23:39 Vorpal: Until you grasp this basic definition, please do not claim offence, as it is certainly not the most offensive thing I have said about you and it is definitely not as offensive as some things you have said about me; you are just looking for an argument. 01:23:46 I disagree, but I'm not going to discuss this further with you. 01:24:20 You know, trying to seem like the More Mature Party by tacking on peaceful retreat after peaceful retreat is really opaque. 01:24:25 there, no longer bothered by alise 01:24:26 The Uruk-hai shoots 2 poisoned orcish arrows!--More-- 01:24:34 ais523: this uruk-hai is irritating. 01:24:37 yup 01:24:40 they do that 01:24:48 Oh, announcing ignores, how wonderful. As if I even care what Vorpal says to me ... 01:25:08 ais523: first he threw a potion at me, then poisoned me ... he's quite a while away, what should I do? Throw a dagger? 01:25:28 that's what they're fore 01:25:30 *for 01:25:58 Felix yowls! The orcish dagger hits Felix!--More-- 01:26:18 HP:7(62) 01:26:22 ais523: How do you do Elbereth again?! 01:26:29 And ... Uruk-hais won't respect it, will they? 01:26:31 E- Elbereth 01:26:33 and they will 01:26:34 most things do 01:26:52 ha, just as I Elberethed Felix finished him off. 01:27:01 poisoned orcish arrows sound good to throw around 01:27:07 ANOTHER URUK-HAI?! 01:27:22 ais523: there's a penalty for excessive Elberething, isn't there? 01:27:25 no, there isn't 01:27:30 Something is written here in the dust. You read: "Fl|e-cth". 01:27:31 but it doesn't save you from ranged attacks 01:27:31 -!- Sgeo_ has joined. 01:27:33 That's not quite what I wrote ... 01:27:39 it corrupts if you fight from the square 01:27:45 also naturally over time if you stand on the square at all 01:27:50 are uruk-hai shields any good? i guess not compared to chain mail 01:27:56 you can stack armour and shield 01:27:58 but not really 01:28:20 6 arrows, nice 01:28:23 iron shoes? 01:28:28 Why would a DOWNLOADED avi glitch? 01:28:43 ais523: what are iron shoes? 01:28:49 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 01:28:49 shoes worth 2AC 01:28:51 rather heavy 01:28:52 sounds like they wouldn't be so good for walking 01:28:55 ais523: sounds rubbish 01:29:05 yep 01:29:10 quite a lot of items are 01:29:13 Another Uruk-hai? Sheesh ... 01:29:17 but they're the most protective of all shoes 01:29:18 I only have 5 HP. 01:29:24 w - a -1 chain mail (being worn) 01:29:28 ugh 01:29:28 That ... that isn't very good, is it? 01:29:29 probably cursed 01:29:33 it's less good than normal chain mail 01:29:34 Is that actually hurting me? 01:29:38 c - an uncursed +3 small shield (being worn) 01:29:38 w - a -1 chain mail (being worn) 01:29:40 Double protection! 01:29:45 no, it's beneficial, just not as much as normla 01:29:50 -1 = 1 less AC 01:30:40 how clever is drinking a random potion to get back health, on average? 01:30:46 not very 01:30:53 ... and does eating food bring back health? Wow, I need to pay more attention. 01:30:55 prayer works better, if you haven't done so recently 01:31:01 and no, most food doesn't heal 01:31:07 The last time I prayed was when I was lycanthropic, a few levels ago. 01:31:09 (you can pray for health if on below 1/7 of your max) 01:31:11 probably too recent 01:31:19 Experience level 7, so that's okay; 13 HP now. 01:31:51 Aguh! I'm blind-- 01:32:23 why? 01:32:34 Bloody uruk-hai. 01:32:43 I hear crashing rock, fun fun. 01:32:52 ais523: are things meant to suddenly get difficult on level 8? 01:32:55 You can make permanent Elbereths 01:33:07 alise: it's the average of your XL and dlvl that matters 01:33:24 ais523: exp 7, dlvl 8 01:33:25 Write in the ground with fire or lightning (lightning.. makes you what you now are) 01:33:37 Sgeo_: not blind any more 01:34:20 Barrow wight. 01:34:21 Huh. 01:34:34 I wonder if maybe I should run. 01:35:57 He deleveled me! The bastard! 01:36:38 FELIX! Stop fighting that dwarf! 01:36:53 ais523: is dwarvish stuff good? 01:37:00 yes, butter than normal 01:37:22 ah, they're so butter. 01:37:39 ais523: i don't need weapons -- short sword, mattock -- but are their cloaks, iron helms any good? 01:38:40 i should probably use the google 01:40:36 ais523: hmm, dwarvish cloaks seem crap 01:40:44 they are 01:40:55 dwarvish iron helms seem quite good? 01:40:56 but they provide 33% protection against things like level drain and poison 01:41:01 oh, that sounds nice 01:41:02 dwarvish helms are good, yes 01:41:11 alise: you can get more than 33% with various other cloaks 01:41:15 but 33% is still better than nothing 01:41:21 are dwarvish mattocks worth keeping? 01:41:32 they're heavy, two-handed, and dig through walls 01:41:37 normally no, but it depends on your playstyle 01:41:43 also, inaccurate but do massive damage when they hit 01:41:54 how massive? 01:41:58 not massive enough 01:42:02 i like anything that gets me out of a situation quickly 01:42:03 okay 01:42:06 cloak and iron helm it is, then 01:43:28 ais523: if i'm having difficulty on a level, best to stay on it until i'm confident, yeah? 01:43:31 yep 01:43:32 it's just that i'm a bit low on food. 01:43:34 or even to go up 01:43:40 Sokoban's a good place to aim if you're low on food 01:43:45 but I know you hate the place 01:43:50 yes, but I'll never get out of sokoban 01:44:06 it corrupts if you fight from the square <-- not if burned 01:44:14 yep 01:44:15 *sigh* I wish kobold corpses weren't poisonous. Mummy wrapping? Sheesh. 01:44:17 *Sheesh! 01:44:19 If there's no pick-axe around and you desperate to dig into something, a dwarvish mattock is fine too. (But it's heavier to lug around than a regular pick-axe.) 01:44:25 mummy corpses are worse than poisonous 01:44:28 they're a delayed instadeath 01:44:34 fizzie, wand of digging 01:44:40 ais523: sweet. any cure? 01:44:49 a few, but they're rare 01:44:52 ais523, eh? 01:44:53 prayer is the only common one 01:44:55 or unihorn, later on 01:44:55 they are? 01:45:03 Vorpal discovers that he's ignoring me 01:45:06 is utterly shocked by this fact 01:45:15 Vorpal: apart from unihorn and prayer, the other cures for foodpois are really obscure 01:45:25 ignoring people tends to mean you miss half the conversation... 01:45:34 ais523, no I meant, delayed instadeath from mummy corpses 01:45:44 alise: yes, the cures are rare 01:45:51 can you name a common one that isn't unihorn/prayer? 01:45:58 ais523, me? no 01:46:04 exactly 01:46:07 *Vorpal: 01:46:13 ais523, I can't even think of any other one 01:46:26 ais523, well lizard for cockatrice 01:46:28 that I know 01:46:34 iirc 01:46:40 err, that's nothing to do with foodpois 01:46:48 ais523, no, with instadeath 01:46:51 ais523, which is what I meant 01:46:59 Vorpal: the game has /more than one instadeath/ 01:47:04 ais523, indeed 01:47:14 ais523, you never answered my question about mummies above 01:47:23 yes I did 01:47:30 ais523, which was (reworded) "what sort of delayed instadeath from mummy corpses cause?" 01:47:35 they cause foodpis 01:47:37 *foodpois 01:47:42 ais523, as instadeath? 01:47:44 huh 01:47:47 that is strange 01:47:50 foodpois is a delayed instadeath 01:47:57 this is, if you eat them 01:48:00 ais523, right 01:48:07 ais523, so what are the rare cures for it 01:48:26 eucalyptus, some forms of polyself 01:48:32 ais523: if I go upstairs, will there be food, even if i previously vanquished the level? 01:48:32 higher-end healing potions 01:48:37 cure sickness the spell 01:48:38 well yeah polyself would work 01:48:42 alise: corpses, and only in small amounts 01:48:51 doesn't it against green slime? 01:48:55 ais523: good enough 01:49:07 ais523: actually, just went back up and can't see any corpsular things... 01:49:09 ais523, why eucalyptus? 01:49:12 Vorpal: it works against absolutely everything in the game, depending on which form you pick 01:49:14 ais523: probably best to descend downwards 01:49:17 Vorpal: because it's a foodpois cure 01:49:22 ais523: i'm hungry and need food urgently 01:49:27 ais523, ... right, why is it? 01:49:38 ais523, is it in real life? 01:49:39 because if you eat it, you're no longer foodpoisoned 01:49:41 and I doubt it 01:50:02 ais523, I was trying to ascertain why they selected eucaluptus for it 01:50:03 You feel that eating the large dog was a bad idea. 01:50:07 ais523: whoops? 01:50:10 eucalyptus* 01:50:19 alise: whoops, indeed 01:50:23 ais523: what did i do... 01:50:27 ais523: and why am I still hungry? 01:50:29 ate a domestic animal 01:50:34 okay, rephrase: 01:50:35 and you're hungry as it didn't provide much nutrition 01:50:39 what's going to happen to me? 01:50:42 how painful will my death be? 01:50:51 you annoy monsters for the rest of the game 01:50:54 and hey, the koreans do it! 01:50:56 ais523: Guh ... 01:50:58 ais523: How badly? 01:50:59 ais523: Any cure? 01:51:00 although, as a valkyrie, you get stealth which cancels it out 01:51:03 so hardly badly at all 01:51:05 although there's no cure 01:51:08 ais523: Wow, that's awful. 01:51:11 well, no plausible cure 01:51:13 ais523: Just eating one thing can impair you for the whole game? 01:51:16 yep 01:51:17 Implausible cures sound good. 01:51:19 List 'em. :P 01:51:32 gremlin attack at night removes one of your intrinsic abilities 01:51:42 there's a small chance it's agg monster rather than something you actually wanted 01:51:51 most of the time, they just remove your cold res or whatever 01:52:16 Damn. 01:52:17 ais523, is there equal chance for all intrinsics? 01:52:20 Vorpal: yep 01:52:41 ais523: so how much is this impairing my chance at ascension, taking it as read that i'm a bad player anyway? (even though it's a very low probability, how much has it been damaged?) 01:52:47 it won't hurt it much 01:53:02 your pet will be less tolerant of abuse, that's pretty much the only effect 01:53:05 Alright then. 01:53:08 I'd never abuse Felix! :< 01:53:10 because stealth cancels out the others 01:53:18 alise: didn't you hit him/her with a dagger earlier? 01:53:22 ais523: once; and that was a mistake 01:53:22 hm 01:53:29 but only that time, and i'll be more careful next time 01:53:42 ais523: You can't have two pets, can you? 01:53:47 you can, but it's a pain 01:53:52 ais523: BUT KITTENS. 01:53:57 you can have pretty much unlimited numbers 01:53:57 I want 50 kittens. 01:54:05 is there a record for number of pets? 01:54:08 I will beat it. With kittens. 01:54:25 record's probably in the hundreds, or even higher 01:54:36 anyone ascended with ridiculous numbers of pets? 01:54:43 most you can ascend with is 9 01:54:50 why? limited space? 01:54:50 it's probably been done, but 8 is more common as 9 is kind-of awkward 01:54:54 yep, limited space round the altar 01:54:57 heh 01:55:06 ais523: gotta be nice having all those pets though 01:55:15 little to no worry if one disappears, very efficient monster-killing machines 01:55:19 most people find them an annoyance 01:55:34 You are carrying too much to get through. 01:55:37 that's my signal to drop shit 01:55:46 y - 14 poisoned orcish arrows ;; they're not that heavy, are they? 01:55:53 no, they aren't 01:56:00 uncursed +3 small shield, -1 chain mail, +0 dwarvish cloak, +0 iron helm 01:56:01 hmm 01:56:04 I think I'll drop the shield 01:56:10 Someone once tried to dig as much as possible, polymorph rocks into gems, and ascend 01:56:21 are looking glasses heavy? 01:56:28 & what do they do? identify scrolls or something? 01:56:31 And one stupid mistake ruined everything 01:56:38 Sgeo_: for what purpose? 01:56:43 looking glass ... as in mirror? 01:56:51 Sgeo_: heh, DeathOnAStick? 01:56:53 he's started again 01:56:54 u - a looking glass 01:56:54 ais523, yes 01:56:56 As in looking glass. 01:57:00 Sgeo_, I done that, Have about 20 dilithium crystals in my current game 01:57:02 alise: monsters can be scared by their own reflection 01:57:08 or worse, if their gaze does something interesting 01:57:08 ais523: that sounds hideously pointless 01:57:10 Well, mirros are good against one particular named monster 01:57:21 most NetHack items are rather situational 01:57:25 ais523: worth keeping, or ... ? 01:57:28 *...? 01:57:32 meh, you'll find another by the time you need it 01:57:48 do i really need 20 arrows? :-) 01:58:02 not if you don't have a bow :) 01:58:14 i don't 01:58:16 night 01:58:18 i'll drop the 6 unpoisoned ones 01:58:21 alise, if you want to bring pets with you, especially if they're carrying something valuable, be sure to be careful what potions you drink on level 1 01:58:27 ais523: i can still throw them though 01:58:31 ais523: and they seem to hit well enough 01:58:32 Can you do any damage with a hand-thrown arrow? 01:58:38 Sgeo_: I'm on level 9; a bit late for that now. 01:58:44 I've drunk no potions so far out of cowardice. 01:58:49 fizzie: Well, I don't know, but they've hit. 01:58:50 fizzie: yep, I think 01:58:52 You'll be back to level 1 01:58:53 fizzie: Maybe the poisoned ones do more. 01:58:55 Unless you DIE 01:58:56 Sgeo_: Ah. 01:59:01 Sgeo_: Gasp, that sounds so unlikely. 01:59:17 Sgeo_: Maybe I should pick up all the valuable stuff my pet has before doing anything dangerous :P 01:59:34 My point was a bit different 01:59:41 Sgeo_: What? 01:59:58 There are certain potions that when cursed, take on a more literal meaning 02:00:16 If you want to go somewhere with pets, you want to not do that literal meaning, especially if it's irreversible 02:00:20 I don't follow. 02:00:23 * Sgeo_ likes being cryptic 02:00:23 I don't mind spoilers. 02:00:31 I know I'd never beat the game without them. 02:00:41 Cursed potion of gain level == you go up through the ceiling 02:00:42 alise: "potion of gain level" normally moves your experience level up 02:00:47 when cursed, it moves your /dungeon/ level up 02:00:51 so DOAS went from level 1... to level 0 02:01:01 Only possible when you have the Amulet 02:01:01 past the point of no return, and leaving all his gems behind 02:01:03 ais523: thus quitting? 02:01:05 or just ascending 02:01:14 Going to the endgame 02:01:17 he had the Amulet, so it just started the endgame 02:01:20 hee 02:01:24 Normally, this is good, as it ensures that you have the real amulet 02:01:35 Sgeo_: you ever ascended? 02:01:38 No 02:01:39 Sgeo_: that's an ingenious way to ID the amulet 02:01:41 i know ais523 has 02:01:42 i think 02:01:44 Never even came close 02:01:46 not a very strong senes of know 02:01:48 *sense 02:01:56 ais523: what happens if you offer a plastic amulet to your god? wrath? 02:02:01 all sorts of bad things 02:02:08 wrath is involved, but I think it isn't even just that 02:02:08 I think that's the worse sin you can possibly do 02:02:15 *worst 02:02:15 i meant wrath in a general sense 02:02:19 i.e. smiting 02:02:25 Sgeo_: nah, exploding a god's high altar is the worst sin you can possibly do 02:02:28 haha 02:02:30 that one's always fun 02:02:31 I think worse then smiting 02:02:31 BOOM 02:02:37 You can survive smiting 02:02:37 DAMMIT BY SMITING I MEANT THE REAL-WORLD SENSE 02:03:03 NetHack shouldn't have the power to anger your real-world god if you have one 02:03:10 i hate you al; 02:03:12 *all 02:03:42 alise: yes, the god does do bad things to you, quite possibly an expression of anger 02:03:45 is that what you wanted? 02:03:47 * Sgeo_ checks the source 02:03:52 ais523: YES 02:03:59 Where's the file with offer stuff? 02:04:04 pray.c I think 02:05:18 uH 02:05:33 It makes your god angry, but not smity, afaict 02:05:39 And makes you unlucky 02:05:39 The wide-angle disintegration beam is quite awesome. 02:05:50 http://nethack.wikia.com/wiki/Pray.c#Sacrificing_the_Amulet_of_Yendor 02:06:12 ais523: Do I really need an uncursed +3 small shield if I have a -1 chain mail, a dwarvish {+0 cloak and a +0 iron helm}? 02:06:29 the shield is lighter and better than all three of the other items 02:06:35 so it depends on if you really want to use your other hand for something 02:06:59 1285. pline("A cloud of %s smoke surrounds you...", 02:06:59 1286. hcolor((const char *)"orange")); 02:07:06 what does hcolor do, return the colour name in that colour? 02:07:15 ais523: I just want to shed weight. 02:07:15 when hallucinating, you can't see colours straight 02:07:23 drop the chain mail to shed weight 02:07:26 assuming you can even take it off 02:07:35 how do you unwear...? 02:07:39 T 02:08:17 ais523: I appear to not be able to take it off. Halp! 02:08:30 (Longish paste, 8 lines.) 02:08:31 this is why you don't put on random armour without cursechecking it... 02:08:35 521. if (!Disint_resistance) 02:08:35 522. fry_by_god(resp_god); 02:08:35 523. else { 02:08:35 524. You("bask in its %s glow for a minute...", NH_BLACK); 02:08:35 525. godvoice(resp_god, "I believe it not!"); 02:08:36 ais523: it's uncursed! 02:08:38 526. } 02:08:40 527. if (Is_astralevel(&u.uz) || Is_sanctum(&u.uz)) { 02:08:43 528. /* one more try for high altars */ 02:08:43 oh, take the cloak off first then 02:08:54 It's awesome how you can defy god. 02:08:58 ais523: nope, it is cursed. 02:09:02 told you 02:09:09 ais523: gruh! 02:09:11 ais523: what now? 02:09:22 well, you're hardly likely to be able to uncurse it this early 02:09:27 you'll just have to stick with your heavy cursed armour 02:09:40 oh well 02:10:41 N a naga (guardian naga hatchling) 02:10:43 Huh. 02:11:02 "Very rare" 02:11:06 ais523: am I exceedingly unlucky? 02:11:29 no, they're pretty common earlyish 02:11:37 both cursed stuff and nagas 02:11:46 Nope. 02:11:48 It was easy to kill. 02:11:57 well, it's only a hatchling 02:12:04 Yum, guardian naga hatchling corpse. 02:12:09 yep, eat it 02:12:12 ais523: Ooh, an Orcale. 02:12:13 *Oracle 02:12:19 Now am I *lucky*? 02:12:22 I guessed, just from the naga hatchling 02:12:32 and the oracle isn't particularly helpful to a spoiled player 02:12:35 my spoilers are better than hers 02:12:50 She says some kind of ... thing if you can't pay 02:12:57 I haven't found it in the source. 02:13:25 ais523: i'm basically cheating, aren't i :( 02:13:42 the way you're playing is fine 02:13:45 probably more fun than the alternative 02:13:46 It's either that, or dying 02:13:54 Yeah, I know. 02:14:00 But the Dev Team probably hate me. :P 02:14:05 ais523: is killing the oracle interesting in any way? 02:14:09 not really 02:14:14 she does fight back if you attack 02:14:24 strangely, /angering/ her doesn't do anything bad, because her only attack is a defense 02:14:55 can I talk to her? 02:14:58 yep, #chat 02:15:03 but she'll try to charge you money 02:15:06 to tell you spoilers 02:15:12 mmm 02:15:18 are the major ones any good? 850 zm 02:15:22 the minor ones are probably crap 02:15:25 i don't have that much money anyway 02:15:26 the minor ones are crap 02:15:27 just $690 02:15:30 the major ones are also mostly crap 02:15:36 but at least you can tell what they mean 02:15:37 You can get minor ones by eating fortune cookies 02:15:48 here, do you want a major consultation? I'll grab one from the game's sourcecode 02:15:54 You can also get lies from fortune cookies 02:16:02 the lies are pretty amusing 02:16:03 ais523: sure :P 02:16:18 Eek! Dingo. 02:16:19 http://nethack.wikia.com/wiki/Oracles.txt 02:16:24 If thy wand hath run out of charges, thou mayst zap it again and again; though naught will happen at first, verily, thy persistence shall be rewarded, as one last charge may yet be wrested from it! 02:16:24 All of the major consultaions 02:16:34 Leprechaun ... 02:16:36 (it takes 121 zaps on average) 02:16:44 ais523: Must be pretty desperate to do that. 02:16:49 alise: leprechauns steal gold, and do minimal damage 02:16:54 alise: it's generally only done with wands of wishing 02:17:13 although I've known people to wrest other wands before 02:17:24 VLC seems to have lost the ability to be not-fullscreen 02:17:32 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:17:44 -!- nooga has joined. 02:17:53 great 02:18:05 how do you kick again? 02:18:31 ctrl+d 02:19:22 ais523: Oh my god! It looted me -- then again when I tried to chase after it! 02:19:31 $690 to $168! 02:19:34 they do that 02:19:43 hint: if you aren't holding or standing on gold, they can't teleport 02:19:44 Can I kill it and reclaim my cash? 02:19:47 and yes 02:19:53 Will it be easy? Ish? 02:20:02 Also, I'm not just going to *put down all my gold* so he can take it! 02:21:22 ais523: do tripe rations help at all? 02:21:27 alise: they're pet food 02:21:37 ais523: correction: they're my /only/ food 02:21:49 they have negative total nutrition 02:21:49 ffs, what are you doing 02:21:55 nooga: playing nethack 02:21:55 ais523: fuck 02:22:04 -!- Gregor-P has joined. 02:22:06 ais523: ok, can i survive at dlvl9/10 with only $168? 02:22:10 or should i really try and kill that l 02:22:16 gold's mostly irrelevant 02:22:17 ignore it 02:22:33 good 02:22:36 i always liked the angband 02:22:44 ais523: but, then, what better way to get food than killing the leprechaun? 02:22:54 leprechaun corpses have... side-effects 02:22:59 i am currently hungry; i ate the rest of my partially-eaten corpse before and a few turns later i got hungry again 02:23:00 ais523: hallu? 02:23:06 nope, permanent teleportitis 02:23:14 a status that makes most people ragequit, even though it's technically optimal 02:23:20 ais523: you mean ... i'll just teleport everywhere? 02:23:28 or only around enemies? 02:23:31 teleport at random, every now and then 02:23:37 why is that technically optimal? 02:23:41 you can't turn it off, although with appropriate items or intrinsics you can control it 02:23:49 Be careful in shops 02:24:01 Leave an appropriate amount of money on the ground BEFORE picking anything up 02:24:03 and because it takes you out of danger when injured, on average 02:24:05 Unless you want to steal 02:24:27 the idea is: when on full health, etc, it doesn't matter where you are 02:24:30 ais523: ok, now here's my situation: all i have is pet food, there's nothing left on the level as far as I know, and I'm hungry, having just eaten a few turns ago 02:24:38 ais523: is there any hope? 02:24:43 if you're hurt, you're in danger, and you'll probably teleport out 02:24:44 can praying solve my hunger? 02:24:47 alise: once you become weak, pray 02:24:52 yep, it can, but only at weak or below 02:24:52 ok 02:24:58 i prayed maybe 3, 4 levels ago 02:24:59 is that okay? 02:25:05 i'm willing to risk it if the alternative is death 02:25:06 it's... random 02:25:10 It's based on turns, I think 02:25:12 addictive 02:25:22 very random, the random function involved is considered one of the most insane random distributions ever created 02:25:23 You could eat the leprechaun 02:25:29 ais523: ah yes, that one 02:25:33 http://nethack.wikia.com/wiki/Rnz 02:25:45 ais523: if i become weak, how many turns do I have before I die, roughly but conservatively? 02:25:46 if it helps, the median value's known to be 350 turns 02:25:51 alise: 100 02:25:56 it's definitely been more than 350 turns 02:26:05 ais523: ok, i'll walk a bit first 02:26:10 well, 100 before you become Fainting, which tends to kill you very quickly 02:26:24 The winter wolf cub breathes frost!--More-- 02:26:25 ?! 02:26:29 breath attacks 02:26:37 it won't hurt you as a valk, but will hurt your potions 02:27:04 thank you, Tyr 02:27:14 ok, that gives you another 900 turns 02:27:16 use them well 02:27:22 ais523: is praying too quickly an instadeath? 02:27:28 not the first time 02:27:33 the seventh or eighth time, maybe 02:27:35 ah 02:27:40 is it a smiting then, or harmless? 02:27:40 but it turns off your ability to pray 02:27:49 for how long? 02:27:51 I have just proven that my default course of action when bored is loading slashdot 02:27:52 first time, you can't pray successfully again until you give your god a nice enough offering 02:28:03 a monster of level 8 or higher, 12 if chaotic 02:28:05 it doesn't time out 02:28:06 I just got bored reading slashdot, so I loaded up slashdot to see if there was anything interesting 02:28:11 * Sgeo_ offers alise on an altar 02:28:13 coppro: I do that with reddit. 02:28:14 coppro: haha 02:29:03 Alise the Fighter St:18/02 Dx:13 Co:18 In:10 Wi:8 Ch:7 Lawful 02:29:03 Dlvl:9 $:168 HP:44(69) Pw:8(8) AC:0 Exp:7 02:29:06 ais523: any opinions on how well i'm doing? 02:29:20 typical early-game character, maybe playing a bit too slowly 02:29:24 and why don't winter cubs leave corpses? 02:29:28 ais523: yeah, i'm tending to map out every level 02:29:28 you made it to Dlvl 9 02:29:31 it's a random chance of leaving corpses 02:29:35 coppro: yes, i did 02:29:37 coppro: is that surprising somehow? 02:29:38 that's an accomplishment 02:29:42 i've found the game easy so far 02:29:46 * Sgeo_ is now playing Apples to Apples 02:29:47 very easy, in fact 02:29:51 anyway, for pretty much anyone I'd say "find Sokoban, the entrance is on the level after the Oracle" 02:29:53 until level 8/9 02:29:55 heck, finding a downstair in a roguelike is typically an accomplishment 02:29:55 "and loot all the food there" 02:30:04 coppro: haha, given what happened earlier 02:30:08 coppro: ah, you have a low opinion of them :D 02:30:14 ais523: wait, what happened earlier? i'm starting to forget myself! 02:30:16 oh, you mean 02:30:20 my impossible level 1 02:30:21 alise: Not at all! 02:30:21 :D 02:30:22 yep 02:30:28 coppro: I got stuck on level 1 02:30:42 coppro: it covered almost the entire screen, had a bunch of dead-end corridors that nevertheless didn't have anything hidden 02:30:46 alise: anyway, food generation chances in Sokoban are /very/ high 02:30:52 -!- Gregor-P has quit (Quit: Bye). 02:30:59 coppro: apparently had a vault somewhere 02:31:00 which is one of the reasons you tell newbies to go there, as they tend to run out of food quickly 02:31:01 (though i couldn't find it) 02:31:04 -!- Gregor-P has joined. 02:31:08 coppro: and I could not find a downstair 02:31:12 doesn't sokoban also start with lots of food on the ground? 02:31:21 ais523: Yes, but ... you have to do Sokoban. 02:31:28 coppro: it's that I Was referring to 02:31:36 alise: you could always look up a spoiler for the solutions 02:31:41 coppro: take a look: http://i.imgur.com/k06Kv.png 02:31:54 i gave up on /that/ game 02:31:54 Sokoban isn't mandatory. It's just a ridiculously good idea 02:32:04 ais523: that really /is/ cheating, though 02:32:32 alise: under the boulder in the west chamber? 02:32:55 coppro: wait, /under/? 02:33:10 alise: I did suggest that a while ago 02:33:13 and assumed you'd acted on it 02:33:15 coppro: I still have the save file if you want to try that, but you'll have to create an "alise" user or nethack will just delete it 02:33:16 alise: sure, a boulder can be on a staircase 02:33:19 ais523: i didn't recall you suggesting that 02:33:20 just push the boulder 02:35:00 ais523: haha, you're probably right too 02:36:18 ais523: i'm satiated now! hooray! 02:36:32 eating while just having prayed for food: best idea or GREATEST IDEA? 02:36:44 bad idea 02:36:46 *having just 02:36:47 who knows 02:36:49 coppro: yeah i realise. 02:36:53 coppro: but it would have spoiled! :P 02:37:45 ais523: I'm in a pit ... 02:37:51 Now I'm not! 02:37:54 keep moving, you'll climb out 02:38:02 alise: good idea, btw 02:38:03 ais523: So, I've just seen the Oracle; Sokoban's entrance is on dlvl 10, then? 02:38:08 alise: it's always on the level below 02:38:12 ais523: what? don't contradict each other! this game is complicated enough as it is 02:38:14 *is! 02:38:34 -!- Wamanuz has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:39:12 128 gold pieces, a light brown spellbook, a black onyx ring! Score, I think?! 02:39:28 probably 02:39:50 ais523: "You hear some noises." It's dark. Looks like a Miney-thing to me? 02:39:56 So the entrance to Sokoban is here, somewhere. 02:40:01 alise: probably just an unlit room 02:40:05 are gems worthwhile? 02:40:05 they become more common as the game goes on 02:40:10 and gems are almost worthless 02:40:13 also, how many levels are there, again? 02:40:16 except when they're /actually/ worthless 02:40:19 Oh no, a leprechaun! 02:40:20 and it's random, but around 50 on the main path 02:40:31 "The leprechaun escapes upstairs!" -- Hey! He probably has my money! 02:40:43 Now, am I stupid enough to chase after him for the sake of some zorkmids? 02:40:44 No. 02:40:54 ais523: where does it start getting actually hard? 02:41:08 alise: never, if you're good enough 02:41:16 but probably quite soon if you're inexperienced 02:41:31 ais523: presumably after dlvl 10, as this has been quite easy so far with the spoilers 02:41:47 I'd say sometime around 15, probably 02:41:55 or the bigroom, if it exists in your game 02:41:57 * alise thinks "Hmm, I should probably save, just in case"; realises that that won't help her in Nethack 02:42:55 around the quest level sounds right 02:43:13 usually I go to minetown after sokoban 02:43:49 ais523: I don't suppose Nethack features HM05? 02:44:03 alise: water walking boots, I suppose 02:44:15 should I be ashamed or proud that I got that right away? 02:44:15 -!- nooga has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:44:36 coppro: proud; I had to google it to remember the number, it's been a while 02:44:40 you definitely will need levitation at some point, although you can delay that for quite a while yet 02:44:47 ais523: HM05 is Flash ... 02:44:50 ah 02:44:50 you'll probably pick up a ring anyways 02:44:52 lamp, in that case 02:44:53 I'm in an unlit room, you see. 02:44:56 (surf is 3, isn't it/) 02:45:00 coppro: I have two rings. 02:45:06 and the mines are where you go for lightsources 02:45:06 I meant a ring of levitation 02:45:07 ais523: I think so; *it?) 02:45:11 coppro: Ah. 02:45:11 alise: coppro means a specific ring 02:45:17 I have a ring of wire and a ring of black onyx; not so interesting. 02:45:23 anyway, most people just learn to live without light 02:45:25 Also a zinc wand. The worst material for a wand. 02:45:29 you can still see most monsters, thanks to infravision 02:45:33 alise: ID that wand, by the way 02:45:36 ais523: how? 02:45:39 engrave something with it (9 letters or less) 02:45:43 Anything? 02:45:45 "Elbereth" is a common choice 02:45:46 And ... with my fingers? 02:45:47 but anything will do 02:45:53 engrave with fingers first 02:45:56 then with wand on the same square 02:46:06 then most of the time you can figure out what the wand is from its reaction 02:46:08 what's write again? 02:46:11 E 02:46:42 Oh, you may go blind 02:46:42 So just write Elbereth twice? 02:46:46 3 being surf sounds right; IIRC 2 is fly and 4 is strength. Beyond that it gets weird depending on the generation 02:46:53 just keep writing it 02:46:56 alise, should be different words 02:46:58 oh wait, you're testing a want 02:47:00 *wand 02:47:09 Second one Elbereth 02:47:11 Sgeo_: that doesn't matter, does it? 02:47:15 Sgeo_: Too late; the first one was Elbereth. 02:47:18 Well, for lightning... 02:47:26 Do you really want to be blind on a non-E? 02:47:27 Elbereth twice is fine 02:47:31 I don't care about *temporary* blindness. 02:47:32 so it hardly matters 02:47:39 The bugs on the floor stop moving! 02:47:44 either sleep or death 02:47:44 Cool ... I think? 02:47:51 ais523: I should hope for death, right? 02:47:52 much more likely to be sleep 02:47:57 sleep is useful, death is +++++ but very rare 02:47:58 although yes, death's better 02:48:05 Any way to find out for sure? 02:48:11 the important thing with both wands is to not catch yourself in the reflection 02:48:15 and you'll find out first time you use it 02:48:17 Zap someone other than yourself. 02:48:22 until then, you probably don't care which it is 02:48:25 Sgeo_: The leprechaun! (Nah.) 02:48:45 ais523: Sokoban has a high chance of making the game unwinnable if I suck at Sokoban, yeah? 02:48:55 no, it never makes the game unwinnable 02:48:58 because it's completely optional 02:49:04 you may make the Sokoban branch itself unwinnable 02:49:05 ais523: but if I go in there, start doing it, get stuck -- 02:49:09 but that's no worse than just ignoring it 02:49:10 oh, you can come back out? 02:49:11 alise: no; Sokoban is optional 02:49:17 yes, you can go back out any time you want 02:49:17 well that's better than I thought 02:49:20 I don't think you can make Sokoban completely unwinnable 02:49:26 How can I tell if an entrance goes to Sokoban? 02:49:29 Although you may incur luck penalties... 02:49:32 just go down it and look for -- ? 02:49:33 you can come back with a scroll of earth/wands of striking 02:49:35 Unless there are other ways to go out? 02:49:38 alise: Sokoban has an upstair 02:49:52 The priestess of Loki intones: "Pilgrim, you enter a sacred place!"--More-- 02:49:53 Whoa 02:49:57 coppro: just one? what if you block it off? 02:50:01 This is what money's good for 02:50:16 I have a strange foreboding feeling. Should I just, like, leave? 02:50:31 alise: I mean that the stair to Sokoban goes up, rather than down, so you'll know it when you see it 02:50:37 coppro: ah 02:50:42 coppro: indeed, I can see it. 02:50:48 now what about this preistly woman? 02:50:56 also, if you are dumb enough to put a boulder on the upstair in Sokoban, you will have to destroy the boulder (incurring a luck penalty) 02:51:01 *priestly 02:51:01 What happens if you donate to wrong alignment? 02:51:28 alise: you're in a temple, you're not chaotic. You can use the altar to identify but don't do anything else 02:51:38 coppro: How many things can I identify? 02:51:47 as much as you want, but only BUC-status 02:51:49 And will it accurately identify my wand, or just scrolls? 02:51:56 oh 02:51:57 that's it? 02:52:01 from the altar, yes 02:52:05 Should I just identify everything, then? 02:52:08 basically drop your entire inventory on it 02:52:15 Okay. 02:52:30 whatever you do, don't attack the priest or offer to the altar 02:52:46 There is an amber flash as an orcish dagger hits the altar. 02:52:50 Is that ... am I ...? 02:53:00 it's blessed 02:53:09 (don't both remembering; it will show up in the inventory) 02:53:28 coppro: Okay; dropped it all, apart from the stuff I'm wearing. 02:53:33 Sgeo_: the same as donating to right alignment 02:53:33 Well... 02:53:38 I guess I could ID some more stuff. 02:54:22 coppro: I should just not pick up the cursed stuff, right? 02:54:30 alise: cursed stuff is occasionally useful 02:54:31 alise: pick it u 02:54:33 but normally you just discard it 02:54:34 *up 02:54:47 drop it in a corner so you don't forget where the altar is 02:55:07 I'd try to sell it if that's an option 02:55:14 coppro: to whom? 02:55:18 there's nobody really around 02:55:21 no shops yet! 02:55:46 there will be a bunch in minetown, you can probably unload when you head down there 02:56:04 maybe wait to see if you can get a bag of holding from sokoban 02:56:04 okay; i should get food soon! 02:56:15 coppro: what happens if i skip sokoban, say by failing horribly? 02:56:28 you miss out on the XP and the prize 02:56:34 okay 02:56:39 that doesn't sound hugely terrible 02:56:43 the prize is really good 02:56:51 i see. 02:56:52 it's either an amulet of reflection or a bag of holding 02:56:58 well, okay. 02:57:02 both of which are items you want to have 02:57:07 now what am I gonna do in the way of food? 02:57:18 coppro: how stupid on a scale of 1 to 1,000,000 is attacking the priest for food? 02:57:22 pick it up off the floor, it's common in Sokoban 02:57:28 alise: likely instadeath stupid 02:57:34 alise: 1,000,000 02:57:42 ais523: but what if i /don't/ instadie? :D 02:57:52 then you're still in trouble 02:57:56 ais523: is it ok to explore the rest of this level before going down to sokoban? 02:57:58 attacking a priest is a bad plan with a fully-leveled and fully-equipped character 02:58:08 alise: Sokoban is /up/ from here 02:58:13 and it depends on your food situation 02:58:14 ais523: right, right, whatever 02:58:18 you can go in and out at will, remember 02:58:22 ais523: my food situation is 0, but i was satiated on the last level 02:58:28 how did you say i should discard my cursed chainmail? 02:58:36 is it on? 02:58:41 coppro: unfortunately. 02:58:44 oh, right, you still probably can't take that off 02:58:44 cursed -1 chainmail 02:58:51 you could try dipping it in a fountain; that's risky, but not fatally risky 02:59:02 you'll need holy water or a scroll of uncursing (or a fountain, as ais suggests) 02:59:04 You read: "Sparky -- he was a very good dog". 02:59:06 Aww ... how sad. 02:59:23 are you on nao? 02:59:35 coppro: no, sorry 02:59:39 is there a way to transplant a savefile to nao? 02:59:47 not afaik 02:59:48 nope 02:59:50 if not, what is that telnet site that broadcasts your tty? ais523? 02:59:53 because NAO is all about proving you aren't cheating 02:59:55 alise: termcast.org 03:00:13 ais523: port? 03:00:14 I don't play nethack offline any more 03:00:26 alise: there's a more complicated protocol to actually broadcast 03:00:30 coppro: you're North American; NAO isn't horribly slow for you. 03:00:31 let me find a shellscript 03:00:36 ais523: i've done it before, it's something to do with script(1), right? 03:00:47 coppro: i'm playing very slowly, mind; in the realtime sense 03:00:50 script -f >( cat ./ratry_login - | nc -q5 noway.ratry.ru 31337 > /dev/null ) "$@" 03:00:58 where ratry_login contains "hello username password" 03:01:03 without the quotes 03:01:06 omg, there's no hobbit netcat on archlinux 03:01:10 replace username and password by an actual username and password 03:01:11 ais523: how do you create a login again? 03:01:17 or is it automatic? 03:01:19 it creates the login if it's a username it doesn't recognise 03:01:22 automatically 03:01:36 * alise downloads netcat 03:02:03 You feel wise! You must have been very observant. 03:02:03 (credits: that script was written by sorear) 03:02:05 Not really ... 03:02:12 ais523: that script isn't copyrightable! 03:02:22 I can stil avoid plagiarising it anyway 03:02:37 plagiarism is slightly different to copyvio 03:05:48 ais523: so does that start a shell? 03:05:52 oh, "$@" 03:05:53 yep 03:05:58 ais523: clearly not 03:06:02 $@ would be the command, I assume 03:06:02 well, with no args it does 03:06:08 if you give args, it runs those instead 03:07:59 head -100 /dev/random takes forever 03:08:07 why did you do that? 03:08:12 (also, why not /dev/urandom?) 03:08:12 ais523: to sha1sum it to get a password 03:08:17 ais523: because it's a password 03:08:19 alise: heh, it hardly needs to be secure... 03:08:21 i know :D 03:08:26 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 03:08:52 alise, ping me if you go on NAO 03:09:17 nc: invalid option -- 'q' 03:09:23 it works without 03:09:33 but has a tendency to keep running even after you've closed the terminal it was running in 03:09:34 on occasion 03:09:36 ais523: how do you listen in? 03:09:40 telnet termcast.org 03:09:41 to a session 03:10:00 I've done that already, actually, just waiting for you to log in 03:10:01 ais523: bah, I don't have telnet :D 03:10:10 * ais523 watches alise 03:10:16 "dinky" is your hostname? 03:10:18 yes 03:10:20 for the laptop 03:10:34 hmm 03:11:11 ais523: can script's argument use shell stuff? 03:11:14 alise: I know a NetHack player who plays black-on-white with colours on 03:11:14 or can it only be one word? 03:11:25 alise: you can have multiple args, at least 03:11:31 ais523: owowoowow 03:11:34 you might have to do sh -c in order to get actual shell parsing 03:11:36 coppro: ? 03:11:44 ais523: that would hurt my eyes 03:12:40 ais523: so 03:12:51 script -f >(cat ./ratry_login - | nc noway.ratry.ru 31337 >/dev/null) nethack 03:12:52 should work fine 03:13:00 yep, I think so 03:13:10 presumably inside the recursively opened xterm? 03:13:27 ais523: something like that 03:13:49 also, "sudo vi" not "sudoedit"? 03:13:57 yeah, i'm a rebel 03:14:09 huh, -e takes multiple arugments 03:14:11 *arguments 03:14:12 how strange 03:14:42 exec uxterm -fa Mono -fs 10 +sb -bg black -fg white -title Nethack -e sh -c 'scr 03:14:42 ipt -f >(cat ./ratry_login - | nc noway.ratry.ru 31337 >/dev/null) nethack' 03:14:44 what a clusterfuck 03:14:52 yep 03:14:58 let's hope it works 03:15:10 nope 03:15:14 for a moment I thought you were about to termcast recursively 03:15:23 alise: let's hope it didn't delete your savefile 03:15:36 I know I've done that with weird combos of nethack and script before now 03:15:53 * alise copies it to ~ just in case 03:15:56 -!- GreaseMonkey has joined. 03:16:21 oh, ofc 03:16:23 script finishes quickly 03:16:34 is there a... 03:16:38 sh --run-at-startup '...'? 03:16:46 that's what sh -c does 03:16:49 no 03:16:49 except it exists just after 03:16:52 exactly 03:17:05 I suppose you could put a ; sh in the end of your command list 03:17:15 exec uxterm -fa Mono -fs 10 +sb -bg black -fg white -title Nethack -e sh -c 'scr 03:17:15 ipt -f >(cat ./ratry_login - | nc noway.ratry.ru 31337 >/dev/null) nethack && ex 03:17:15 ec nethack' 03:17:16 Oh yeah. 03:17:30 wait 03:17:39 If the argument file is given, script saves all dialogue in file. If no 03:17:40 file name is given, the typescript is saved in the file typescript. 03:17:42 that's not what the $@ does 03:17:48 ah 03:17:54 do you have a typescript file called NetHack? 03:17:59 nope 03:18:02 strangely enough 03:18:04 I know what's happened 03:18:17 no I don't 03:18:23 but how can options to script come /after/ the >() 03:18:30 my guess is that the $@ is just a mistake 03:19:35 two alises, heh 03:19:56 alise h was broadcasting nethack 03:20:02 yes, that was a test 03:20:05 alise g seems redundant 03:20:07 aha 03:20:09 sh doesn't support that syntax 03:20:12 only bash 03:20:13 lol 03:21:10 ais523: nope, the $@ WAS right 03:21:17 no it wasn't 03:21:43 ais523: there 03:22:03 coppro: there 03:22:19 A /pancake/? 03:22:28 not particularly nutritional, admittedly 03:22:31 but it's better than nothing 03:22:34 Picked up anyway. 03:22:46 "bare hands" 03:22:50 oops, i have nothing equipped 03:22:50 try re-equipping your sword 03:22:51 or worn 03:23:27 you may want to aim for Excalibur next, once you have the food situation under control 03:23:36 You can't resist the temptation to mimic a pile of gold.--More-- 03:23:41 was eating that corpse a bad idea? 03:23:43 no 03:23:45 just an amusing one 03:23:49 sometimes tactically useful, too 03:23:54 wait, i'm /mimicking a dwarf/? 03:23:57 say if monsters try to pick you up, you can ambush them 03:24:02 that's some Matrix shit nethack just pulled ther 03:24:03 *there 03:24:08 no, you are a dwarf 03:24:14 yes, but it says otherwise :D 03:24:17 You now prefer mimicking a dwarf again. 03:24:19 that isn't mimicking anything else 03:24:39 What kind of genetically-engineered mutant centipede is this? 03:25:28 try not to hit your pet 03:25:37 you can #chat before attacking to see if whatever's there mews 03:25:37 edible? 03:25:48 and killer bee corpses are an interesting choice 03:25:50 they're poisonous 03:25:55 but also have a high chance of poison res 03:25:59 so some people prefer to take the poison 03:26:01 hmmm 03:26:04 worth risking? 03:26:10 sokoban doesn't have many baddies, right? 03:26:12 I probably wouldn't 03:26:19 and sokoban's relatively - but not completely - monsterfree 03:27:23 how long til i can see? 03:27:29 what blinded you? 03:27:33 a light 03:27:38 a few hundred turns 03:27:41 lights are nasty 03:27:53 Black lights are fun! 03:28:02 -!- Gregor-P has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 03:28:21 ais523: shit! i just did 200 03:28:21 ugh, leveldrainer 03:28:26 -!- Gregor-P has joined. 03:28:29 ais523: what did that do? 03:28:33 200 nothings? >_< 03:28:39 backspace = control-h 03:28:46 = go west until something interesting hapens 03:28:46 *happens 03:28:46 Wait, is alise on NAO? 03:28:52 Sgeo_: no, termcast 03:28:52 Sgeo_: termcast 03:28:55 telnet termcast.org 03:29:46 ais523: i'm sick of blindness 03:29:50 There are some times that you just DON'T wnat to feel what's on the floor 03:29:52 there 03:29:53 well, it just finished 03:30:46 not worth dropping anything for that 03:30:58 for what? 03:31:02 the diagonal corridor 03:31:07 nope 03:31:53 How can you see the ^? 03:31:56 ais523: Sokoban. 03:32:02 Sgeo_: What do you mean? 03:32:05 Sgeo_: I see it with my eyes. 03:32:13 Not ^ usually 03:32:19 yep, this is Sokoban 03:32:26 Sgeo_: ? 03:32:26 Sgeo_: it's entirely visible 03:32:29 I meant, outside of Sokoban 03:32:29 I don't know what you mean 03:32:34 There was a visible trap 03:32:38 because i walked into it 03:32:51 ais523: so, get the boulders into the pits, right? 03:32:57 yep 03:32:58 alise, indeed! 03:33:06 ais523: how do i get to the other side? moving that boulder? 03:33:07 * Sgeo_ channels Teal'C 03:33:14 move the leftmost boulder down one square 03:33:20 then the top of the group of 4 to the right 03:33:23 ais523: no diagonal movement? 03:33:26 not in Sokoban 03:33:33 at least, not between boulders/walls 03:33:40 wait, the top four? 03:33:44 * Sgeo_ almost made a mistake in his thoughts 03:33:52 * alise is confused 03:33:54 That would have .. oh, done nothing fatal 03:33:56 move the top of the group you're standing next to to the right 03:33:59 the top of "that group of 4" 03:34:01 Just move this boulder right 03:34:15 ais523: til it touches the other O? 03:34:15 two more spaces, so you can get past 03:34:17 yep 03:34:24 it's not like you can do anything else 03:34:34 down again, i presume? 03:34:35 that one needs to move down one square 03:34:38 so you can get past 03:34:40 Wait, should there be some scrolls? 03:34:44 now race to the good before Felix gets there 03:34:50 *food 03:34:55 bloody felix 03:34:56 Sgeo_: bottom-left; alise can't see them yet 03:35:11 Be careful with displacing your pet 03:35:20 wAIT 03:35:22 alise: no, wrong boulder 03:35:28 haha 03:35:31 i am so terrible at sokoban 03:35:38 try not to get Felix trapped behind the boulders 03:35:39 Wrong move 03:35:39 shit 03:35:42 Don't know if that's fatal 03:35:43 what now? 03:35:46 leave that one, there are spares 03:35:52 and type slower 03:35:54 Don't displace your pet! 03:35:59 Sgeo_: why not? 03:36:00 it wasn't the typing, it was the thinking 03:36:04 there's no huge imperative not to 03:36:05 Sgeo_: i've done it thousands of times... 03:36:10 ais523, I thought he could get trapped in a pit 03:36:12 not even in Sokoban 03:36:18 Oh 03:36:25 >.> 03:36:27 Sgeo_: the important rule is to avoid trapping felix behind a boulder 03:36:31 that has nothing to do with displacing 03:36:33 Hello, pony. What do you want? 03:36:35 alise: ponies are /dangerous/ 03:36:40 it wants that melon you have, though 03:36:42 ais523: I know; I fought one a few levels ago. 03:36:44 throw it at the pony and it'll become tame 03:36:49 I think a unicorn killed me on sokoban 03:36:56 I thess this isn't a unicorn though 03:37:01 Sgeo_: it's a pont 03:37:02 *pony 03:37:12 alise: those are scrolls of earth 03:37:13 There should be an esolang called pont 03:37:20 also, turn on the hilite_pet option 03:37:23 so you can tell pets from hostiles 03:37:27 ais523: OK 03:37:47 I might have to resume my NAO game in here 03:37:56 ais523: so, has felix abandoned me? :P 03:38:00 nope 03:38:02 alise: no, he's just hiding somewhere 03:38:03 or she 03:38:04 now i have two pets, great 03:38:07 just what i need 03:38:16 most people abandon their pets around Sokoban 03:38:36 how cruel 03:38:41 I know 03:38:50 (I don't, btw; but I have more patience than many others) 03:39:01 My pets tend to die 03:39:04 I think 03:39:08 It's been a while 03:39:08 The boulder falls into the pit. The pony neighs!--More-- 03:39:11 You kill the poor pony! You hear the rumble of distant thunder...--More-- 03:39:14 if I'm going to abandon a pet, I do it early 03:39:15 alise: ugh 03:39:17 Well, that solved that problem. 03:39:30 ais523: am I Evil now? 03:39:31 oh well, at least the penalty for that wears off with time 03:39:38 alise: alignment and luck penalty 03:39:46 alise, alignment doesn't change... well, not that sort of alignment 03:39:48 quite a large one, but it wears off 03:39:51 You'll remain Lawful 03:40:05 Sgeo_: unless she tries to convert an altar 03:40:10 erm, right. And he 03:40:15 Oh, the character 03:40:20 Blarargh 03:40:21 and the IRC nick pronoun 03:40:23 alise the valkyrie is female, valks always are 03:40:31 and is a female nick 03:40:33 ais523: i like how it's better to be awful to a creature to start with rather than nice then awful 03:40:35 * Sgeo_ might not be thinking properly 03:40:40 that's a slightly strange kind of morality 03:40:44 for a game like this 03:40:48 well, you can set the game to no pets if you like 03:41:02 ais523: this gets much harder, doesn't it? 03:41:12 the first level's easy 03:41:18 one of the level 2 variants is the hardest puzzle there, strangely 03:41:19 In Sokoban, there are only two possible maps per level 03:41:26 (well, level 3, it's counted backwards for some reason) 03:41:39 don't displace felix into the pit, btw 03:41:43 that's only possible while you're inside 03:41:55 by the way, did you name those scrolls you picked up? 03:42:00 they're scrolls of earth, always 03:42:00 no; should I? 03:42:06 i've forgotten how to name 03:42:07 so you may as well name them for reference 03:42:09 #name 03:42:13 then n to name a type of item 03:42:19 you pressed y, not n 03:42:21 ZELGO MER, that is? 03:42:22 specific item 03:42:25 I think so 03:42:29 alise, that's what I remember 03:42:47 besides, you don't seem to have two of anything else 03:42:54 so that one must be earth 03:43:12 why don't winter fox cubs leave corpses? 03:43:17 and how am I still nourished? 03:43:28 Are you wearing any rings? 03:43:41 alise: small creatures are unlikely to leave corpses 03:43:43 Or, maybe not enough time has passed 03:43:46 and I don't think you've spent 900 turns 03:44:31 don't eat 03:44:32 poisonous 03:44:35 o.O 03:44:41 I never heard of a quasit before now 03:44:44 I would have eaten 03:44:58 Sgeo_: if you don't know, ask pinobot 03:45:10 Hm? 03:45:13 or #nethack, or maybe Rodney if he has an entry on the monster's corpse 03:45:32 How do I ask pinobot? 03:45:32 Sgeo_: #!info name=monster 03:45:43 alise: ugh, that's the hard variant 03:45:47 it took me ages to figure out this one 03:45:58 ais523: yeah, uh, a solution would be nice 03:46:05 There are spoilers 03:46:15 the horizontal corridor second-from-bottom, that's the first boulder you push 03:46:31 Pinobot helpfully only informed me that it confers poison resistance 03:46:43 Sgeo_: wasn't "pois" on the list? 03:47:04 i | quasit | Spd: 15 | Small | Genocidable | Lvl: 3 | AC: 2 | MR: 20 | Difficulty: 7 | Align: -7 | Corpse wgt: 200 | Nutr: 200 | Conveys: poison resistance | Atk: claw drain dex 1d2, claw drain dex 1d2, bite physical 1d4 | Flags: poison resistance, regen, stalk, infravision, infravisible, imp, drain resistance 03:47:20 hmm, did I remember wrong? 03:47:35 Or the bot's useless 03:47:48 Sgeo_: no, it's autogenerated 03:47:49 What's a poisonous corpse? 03:47:50 Rodney confirms, quasits really aren't poisonous 03:47:51 it can't be wrong 03:47:53 sorry, alise, misremembered 03:47:57 Sgeo_: pois 03:48:09 ugh, i don't feel like deciphering the move format use din http://nethack.wikia.com/wiki/Sokoban_Level_2a 03:48:37 I'm not 100% confident I remember the solution to this one; more like 90% 03:49:00 Someone could just decypher into channel 03:49:15 http://nethack.wikia.com/wiki/Sokoban_Level_2a :P 03:49:30 there is a reason i wanted to skip sokoban 03:49:33 You just linked 03:49:56 Sgeo_: indeed 03:50:01 Sgeo_: but it uses its own move syntax 03:50:02 *used in 03:50:11 which i will have to decipher in my semi-tired state 03:50:26 I can just spam the channel, of course 03:50:48 You already moved stuff around 03:51:01 yeah, i'm following it 03:51:29 why "dlll ll" 03:51:31 what's the space for 03:53:01 ais523: why god why? 03:53:16 alise: why what? 03:53:20 soldier 03:53:21 take that C_ration, btw 03:53:22 anything lootable here? 03:53:27 not as good as food ration, but good food 03:53:30 ignore the rest 03:54:25 was that felix? 03:54:43 sorry, I'm busy watching the final stages of a DCSS tournament 03:54:48 DCSS? 03:54:57 dungeon crawl stone soup 03:55:01 one of NetHack's competitors 03:55:13 NetHack has competition? 03:55:17 ais523: i killed a housecat 03:55:18 yup 03:55:20 alise: ugh 03:55:25 is the corpse named? 03:55:29 ais523: it left no corpse 03:55:34 double ugh 03:55:36 oh well... 03:55:38 ais523: it was felix, wasn't it? 03:55:42 probably 03:55:43 it was very weak 03:55:49 less likely, then 03:56:03 -!- GreaseMonkey has quit (Quit: New quit message. Entering 2006 in style.). 03:56:44 hmm 03:56:51 a pancake sounds nice for a weak character, don't you think? 03:56:54 Any messages when you killed it? 03:56:58 Or, a slime mold! 03:57:01 Sgeo_: none 03:58:14 ais523: good to eat? 03:58:21 yep 03:58:27 ais523: no it's not 03:58:28 not massively nutritious, but very delicious 03:58:31 slime molds, I mean 03:58:37 ais523: i meant the corpse, you !! 03:58:43 what corpse? 03:58:46 I wasn't watching 03:58:46 orc captain! 03:58:48 Blecch! Rotten food! The world spins and goes dark.--More-- 03:58:50 oh, those are safe 03:58:54 A mysterious force prevents the black unicorn from teleporting!--More-- 03:58:56 -!- Mathnerd314 has joined. 03:58:57 the blecch is a random side effect that can happen to anything 03:59:00 You are conscious again. 03:59:05 even food rations 03:59:10 now, unicorns = dangerous 03:59:19 but unicorns = unihorn source 03:59:40 careful 03:59:45 look what it did to your HP 03:59:51 oh, killed it already 03:59:51 can i eat its corpse? :D 03:59:54 definitely do 04:00:11 and finish the unicorn, if you weren't satiated when you started it's safe to finish 04:00:15 yeah 04:00:18 i'm satiated now 04:00:18 (they give poison res, often) 04:00:28 (although not that time it seems) 04:00:34 don't eat anything further 04:00:39 until you're unsatiated again 04:00:40 No kidding? 04:00:45 Sgeo_: ? 04:01:00 ais523: this is ridiculous for a second level of a segment 04:01:01 THat's one of the easier bits to remember, guess you haven't heard it yet 04:01:07 Sgeo_: i have 04:01:16 ais523: i'm having trouble just following the spoiler 04:01:19 alise: it's the hardest of the eight levels, IMO 04:02:01 shit 04:02:36 DCSS has automatic exploration? 04:02:39 How does that work? 04:03:15 Sgeo_: you press o, and it explores until a monster turns up 04:03:23 or something happens that actually requires a player decisoin 04:03:24 ais523: "lr" --spoiler 04:03:25 *decision 04:03:34 DCSS has really large maps, and mostly boring ones 04:03:37 so an autoexplore makes sense 04:04:16 ais523: am I doing well in general, btw? 04:04:22 yep 04:04:27 i realise i've had an inordinate amount of help but i've never got remotely near here before :P 04:04:33 standard valk, which is pretty impressive given it's a newbie playing 04:04:58 although experienced players would have been more efficient, and thus had less of a food problem 04:05:17 anyway, feel free to eat poisonous stuff from now on, as your unihorn will just unpoison you again 04:05:23 ais523: i'm mostly going slowly to make sure i don't miss stuff and to grind-train but i guess that doesn't matter so much 04:05:29 (I was worried about ending up in a difficult section unprepared) 04:05:37 valks rule the earlygame 04:06:04 I tried valk once 04:06:09 But almost always, I'm a wizard 04:06:11 ais523: is that snake going to be an issue? 04:06:17 what sort of snake is it? 04:06:20 Maybe I'd be better off with a valk again? 04:06:25 ais523: python 04:06:31 not until you end up in combat with it 04:06:44 and although pythons are rather powerful, you should be able to beat it, especially if you spam Elbereth pre-emptively 04:06:50 werewolf -- shit 04:07:15 kill it at range if you can 04:07:22 but you probably can't 04:07:30 I have knives. 04:07:33 Worth a shot, right? 04:07:38 daggers are better for throwing 04:07:43 especially as you actually have skill with them 04:07:44 alise: Knives? In Britain? 04:07:45 I have that too, but orcish, but blessed. 04:07:50 alise: But you might HURT SOMEONE! 04:07:51 or you could try the poisoned arrows 04:08:02 the best you're likely to do is soften it up, though 04:08:24 werewolves are immune to Elbereth, btw 04:08:37 stop 04:08:40 there's a trice behind you 04:08:45 Elbereth time? 04:08:46 ok, it didn't affect you that turn 04:08:50 yep, elbereth time 04:08:54 werewolves are affected in animal form 04:08:54 o.O 04:08:57 werewolves are affected in animal form 04:09:02 except the turn after they transformed 04:09:04 what of the cockatrice? let it be? 04:09:07 stack several Elbereths 04:09:09 and it'll flee too 04:09:17 it can't attack you while you're on an Elbereth square 04:09:24 Don't go blind and stumble on the square with its corpse 04:09:30 Have a lizard ready 04:09:39 if you have gloves on, it's fine 04:09:43 live trices aren't really that dangerous 04:09:51 and unfortunately, alise isn't wearing gloves 04:10:24 back to business 04:10:33 I assume adventurers are assumed to have shoes? 04:10:44 Sgeo_: no, but they're assumed to not step on corpses if they can help it 04:10:53 ais523: cockatrice is back 04:10:55 alise: just kill the trice 04:11:03 so long as you're weilding a weapon, it's safe to attack 04:11:07 ais523: it touched me! How inappropriate. 04:11:07 and good, no corpse 04:11:11 so you don't have to worry about that 04:11:34 WTF @ DOGS 04:11:38 Well, when you're blind and moving without feeling the ground... 04:11:39 are those wolves? 04:11:46 coyote 04:11:49 ah yes 04:12:12 coyotes should be a pushover at this point 04:12:30 Where's your turn counter? 04:12:34 turned off 04:12:35 Why is it disabled by default? 04:12:36 Sgeo_: i don't have one 04:12:40 "time" 04:12:45 how do I turn it on? 04:12:49 "time" 04:12:50 5549 04:13:00 rather slower than most experienced players 04:13:02 but not awful 04:13:12 "Now it depends on whether you want to be able to have all the boulders freely moving after you finish the level. In this solution all boulders can be moved freely. Create a pathway on the right, enter the middle room and remove boulder B and restore pathway in the left:" 04:13:15 I don't care :P 04:13:33 ugh, lycanthropy 04:13:33 Feverish. Hmm. 04:13:37 Oh, not again. 04:13:42 kill the wolf first 04:13:46 it can't infect you /again/ 04:13:50 until you're healed 04:13:53 Whoa, a lot of leather armor. 04:13:59 dead leather golem 04:14:03 (leather armor's pretty worthless) 04:14:05 Does unihorn fix lycanthropy? 04:14:08 nope 04:14:10 ais523: Last time I got lycantrophic I just prayed. 04:14:11 it fixes lots of things, but not that 04:14:16 It's been long enough since then to pray again. 04:14:18 alise: could work this time, although repeated prayer is risky 04:14:25 I'd probably try 04:14:26 Don't pray with - luck 04:14:30 Sgeo_: good point 04:14:32 ais523: I last prayed /ages/ ago, in that big hunger 04:14:33 when did alise kill Felix? 04:14:42 ais523: i'm not sure i did 04:14:44 it was a pushover 04:14:47 ah 04:14:49 You killed your pony 04:14:51 although i don't know what became of felix 04:14:54 Sgeo_: good point 04:14:56 probably got killed 04:15:00 Sgeo_: true, that was a while ago though 04:15:03 I can't remember if that's a 600- or 900-turn timeout 04:15:04 last screen, and this one has been hectic 04:15:14 ais523: ok, any suggestions then? 04:15:17 actually, 1200 or 1800 04:15:35 you could just live with the lycanthropy, although that's a pain 04:15:38 Did I just possibly save alise? 04:15:40 ais523: SHIT 04:15:46 ais523: I moved that block to my right right 04:15:49 alise: still loads of spares 04:15:49 ais523: I was meant to move it LEFT 04:15:54 ais523: yes, but now I can't use the solution 04:15:59 move the one below you right, then up 04:16:00 Sgeo_: Probably :P 04:16:09 err, that isn't right 04:16:14 ais523: Indeed. Whoops. 04:16:19 hmm 04:16:21 ais523: I've Royally Fucked This One Up. 04:16:27 let's see, you need 5 boulders to finish 04:16:31 With a capital royally fucked this one up. 04:16:34 the one near the bottom is completely free, and obvious 04:16:40 yes 04:16:41 I'll do that one 04:17:02 and you can free up 7 others 04:17:06 *sigh* 04:17:08 so still solvable 04:17:11 what now? 04:17:14 #monster? :D 04:17:18 well, you've escaped your cursed ring mail 04:17:24 it won't fit on a wolf body 04:17:34 heh 04:18:08 hmm, I might risk prayer now, although the downsides if it doesn't work are quite large 04:18:18 (they'll effectively prevent you from praying again for ages) 04:19:14 ais523: maybe I'll just s for a while? 04:19:25 that could work 04:19:29 how long; 50 turns? 04:19:31 although it'll hunger you and get monsters to turn up 04:19:37 ok, what about #monsters? 04:19:38 till you turn back 04:19:41 #monster summons pets 04:19:44 ah 04:19:55 ais523: tiger 04:19:58 ais523: I think it's praying time 04:20:04 well, it'll turn you back if you like 04:20:09 eh? 04:20:11 running out of HP in monster form = turn into player form 04:20:14 heh 04:20:18 although you'll then not have your equipment on you 04:20:47 ais523: correction, I still have my chain mail 04:20:49 unless it broke 04:20:52 it broke 04:21:04 slow down 04:21:08 Check HI 04:21:10 oops 04:21:10 it just hit you for half your remaining HP 04:21:11 oooh hsit 04:21:13 then the other half 04:21:14 i just died 04:21:18 so, anyone have a good solution to the expression problem? 04:21:20 in the midst of combat 04:21:22 :'( 04:21:28 if i'd just been more patient 04:21:32 i was so desperate to defend myself 04:21:33 argh! 04:21:35 Requiest in Peace, Elliott 04:21:39 *Alise 04:21:43 * alise slaps himself 04:21:57 ais523: AceHack suggestion: "Undo The Last Three Fucking Retarded Moves I Just Did" 04:22:11 haha 04:22:24 low HP is a lot more visible in AceHack than regular NetHack 04:22:31 I saw when your HP was down to 17 or 7 (forget which) 04:22:54 I tried to say something. Maybe I shoupd have just said HP 04:23:01 ais523: has nethack been known to cause depression? 04:23:07 not AFAIK 04:23:14 well it has now! 04:23:27 ais523: see, that'd have been better if it was more gradual rather than doing this well on my first game :D 04:23:44 second game 04:23:50 well ,yes 04:23:51 *well, yes 04:23:56 one where you don't get past the first screen hardly counts 04:23:57 Might it be better to play on NAO now? 04:24:00 Sgeo_: why? 04:24:04 Sgeo_: NAO's a bitch from the UK 04:24:07 Ah 04:24:07 what ais523 said 04:24:08 NEU tends to work better 04:24:12 at least it's in the right continent 04:24:14 and ais523 doesn't often swear :P 04:24:19 Sgeo_: but why? 04:24:20 that isn't a swearword 04:24:22 this is the fastest version 04:24:24 *shrug* 04:24:25 Mail 04:24:27 ais523: well, bitch as a derogatory term for something is 04:24:29 Bones 04:24:35 Sgeo_: I care very little. 04:24:41 "You are dead." you don't say 04:24:52 Your death announced in #nethack 04:25:02 it's just got announced here 04:25:31 while helpless? 04:25:56 no, while not paying attention to HP 04:25:57 ---------- 04:25:57 / \ 04:25:57 / REST \ 04:25:57 / IN \ 04:25:57 / PEACE \ 04:25:58 / \ 04:26:00 | alise | 04:26:01 | 597 Au | 04:26:04 | killed by a | 04:26:05 | tiger, while | 04:26:08 | helpless | 04:26:10 | | 04:26:12 | 2010 | 04:26:13 oh, must be while putting on armor 04:26:14 *| * * * | * 04:26:15 _________)/\\_//(\/(/\)/\//\/|_)_______ 04:26:18 while helpless 04:26:19 (i was busy equipping armour) 04:26:32 ...sniff 04:26:32 alise: if it's any consolation, the armour-equip code is hugely inconsistent in the way it handles time 04:26:39 ais523: it wouldn't have saved me 04:26:48 ais523: I should have prayed as soon as I became low on HP 04:26:52 yep 04:26:57 or Elberethed as soon as you rehumanised 04:27:07 What happens with elbereth as monster? 04:27:09 ais523: I'd start again... but it's half four. 04:27:13 Sgeo_: you run away from yourself 04:27:19 Sgeo_: Tomorrow, then, I will. 04:27:32 Sgeo_: I don't think jackals are physically capable of engraving 04:27:38 apart from that, it works just fine 04:27:40 *wolves 04:27:41 meh, both 04:27:56 Well this is irritating. 04:28:18 ais523: if I copy back my slightly older save file, nethack will creep into my window while i sleep and slit my throat, won't it? 04:28:24 (I copied it in case my script broke it) 04:28:38 alise: all of #nethack and rgrn will bitch at you 04:28:42 alise, what script? 04:28:49 and it's not considered to be a very good learning experience 04:28:52 Sgeo_: the termcast one 04:28:53 ais523: mm :P 04:29:03 but it won't be so bad that people kill you in RL. Probably. 04:29:09 Probably. 04:30:10 ais523: well, at least i've proved to myself that i have the attention span for nethack 04:30:21 except when fighting tigers 04:30:25 quite 04:30:31 it's quite strange, how i enjoy it 04:30:35 it's like a mild, background enjoyment 04:30:38 contentedness 04:30:39 Dying to tigers? 04:30:48 Sgeo_: Yes, I died to a tiger! Without armour! 04:31:07 I meant, that's how you enjoy it 04:31:11 Ah. 04:31:14 No, Nethack. 04:31:29 dying can be fun too, but the actual play is generally better 04:31:30 ais523: I think I did fairly well there. 04:31:34 so do I 04:31:38 For my first real game. 04:31:49 alise: http://www.gamespite.net/talkingtime/showthread.php?t=9571 if you're interested 04:32:00 it's someone else's Let's Play of NetHack, and one of the better ones on that site 04:33:37 ais523: i think a "GUI" interface using the ascii tiles but that has a little tooltip with the output of ; appear if you hover over a tile would be really useful 04:33:39 (with the mouse) 04:33:58 NETHAX did that, while it still existed 04:34:04 although it was pretty awful in other ways 04:34:19 ajax nethack? how strange 04:34:19 ; can certainly be improved, say by showing descriptions without having to press . 04:34:20 NETHAX? 04:34:25 alise: yes, AJAX NetHack 04:34:30 ais523: yes, but simply moving the cursor around is irritating 04:34:35 hovering would be so much nicer, the mouse is designed for that 04:34:39 (x,y) positioning 04:34:44 yep 04:34:53 if I ever make tiles AceHack, I'll think about it 04:35:05 ais523: on that let's play: 04:35:07 "In NetHack? None. I've never even made it to Sokoban." 04:35:13 HAH AT SOME POINT IN THE PAST HE WAS INFERIOR TO ME. 04:35:17 ais523: doesn't need tiles, just use the ascii 04:35:23 but in an x11 window 04:35:28 by "tiles", I mean "non-tty build" 04:35:31 IMPLEMENT EVERY FEATURE NOW :P 04:35:39 commonly, tiles that look exactly like ASCII characters are used 04:35:56 that doesn't let you configure font, though >:D 04:36:40 ais523: urgh, that let's play uses tiles 04:36:46 I know 04:36:51 it isn't an awful tileset, though 04:36:58 the tiles are based on letters 04:37:05 still 04:37:16 -!- GreaseMonkey has joined. 04:37:38 what do cockatrice corpses do again? 04:38:11 turn things to stone, on contact 04:38:28 this is applied pretty liberally throughout NetHack 04:38:34 wonderful 04:38:36 they can turn things to stone in over thirty different ways 04:38:40 there's a list of them somewhere 04:38:49 there's more than thirty ways to stone a monster 04:39:14 no, a player 04:39:21 most of the actions involved aren't ones monsters actually do 04:39:26 either because it isn't in their AI, or because they know better 04:39:48 it was a joke :| 04:40:00 fine 04:40:01 there's more than thirty ways to stone a player 04:40:32 and none of them involve cannabis 04:40:58 i was going to make that reference but deemed it too cheesy 04:45:46 ais523: RIP Felix, btw 04:45:51 *btw. 04:45:59 I'm not sure whether me or a monster killed him, but there you go. 04:46:03 ah, OK 04:46:06 how did you determine that? 04:46:06 Also RIP anonymous pony. 04:46:26 ais523: well, felix disappeared for a while, i fought an easy housecat, a bunch of difficult monsters attacked me after that, and I never saw Felix again 04:46:36 yep 04:46:40 therefore either he was the housecat, or one of the monsters got him 04:46:46 killing /both/ your pets is actually kind-of impressive 04:46:48 :D 04:46:54 i must have had terrible karma 04:47:09 i killed that pony by rolling it into a pit with a boulder, how awesome is that???? 04:47:27 NetHack deaths are often awesome 04:48:40 i wish i'd died by the tiger rolling me into a pit with a boulder 04:49:09 the only monsters that use boulders are giants 04:49:15 and they don't roll them, they throw them 04:49:23 giants can be an interesting challenge 04:50:36 anyone have the URL to the rotating SVG google? 04:50:43 nope 04:50:46 :P 04:53:33 You could google it 04:53:44 Or not 04:59:33 Green cards per players: Sgeo - 4, hurristat - 3, Maximinus - 8, NPCApple - 5 04:59:43 Maximinus - nearly twice as human as a bot! 04:59:58 what 05:00:02 looks like it was taken down 05:00:14 alise, shouldn't you be sleeping? 05:00:24 Sgeo_: is that A2A? 05:00:29 Yes 05:00:35 Sgeo_: meh 05:00:36 #applestoapples in Foonetic 05:00:36 Sgeo_: why? 05:00:41 Sgeo_: A2A with a bot... 05:00:51 that's such a bad idea 05:00:57 also, is that run by Dritz? 05:01:03 apples to SNAPPLES 05:01:09 Not the bot. The ...game... bot 05:01:11 Why? 05:01:18 Sgeo_: NPCApple is not a bot? 05:01:23 no 05:01:26 NPCApple is a bot 05:01:26 oh 05:01:27 NPCApple is a bot 05:01:28 but not Dritz's 05:01:33 okay 05:01:34 the game-running bot, Trilby, is Dritz's 05:01:35 exactly 05:01:36 note: I know nothing of this 05:01:39 I'm just good at parsing 05:01:46 yes, I get that 05:01:56 my question is, how does it make sense to play A2A against a bot 05:01:57 note: you get this 05:02:11 coppro, there were few players and we were desperate 05:02:18 Also, it made surprisingly good plays 05:02:19 desperate for comfort 05:02:25 At least, as judged by our judges 05:02:27 Sgeo_: ping me next time, I might come over 05:02:35 what if it's the judge? does it pick randomly? 05:02:50 It picks the same way as it picks cards from its hand, apparently 05:02:53 Which makes sense 05:03:52 ah, there's some heuristic? 05:04:07 Apparently 05:04:13 I have no clue what it is, though 05:04:21 I've never even heard of applestoapples before today, actually 05:04:47 No, not true, even ignoring the technicality of my timezone 05:04:55 I was in that channel once before, according to logs 05:05:14 I just remember absolutely nothing 05:05:55 how'd you find out about it? 05:06:06 Someone mentioned it in another channel 05:07:28 (I didn't know about the channel, but I've been poking around there, so when you said it was on foonetic Dritz came to mind) 05:08:14 I mean, he managed to play "Mom's cooking" on "deadly".... 05:09:28 lol 05:18:07 toldfjort 05:19:53 -!- zzo38 has joined. 05:20:14 The thing about magical system in Icosahedral RPG, is, it is mathematical! 05:20:18 GASP! 05:20:29 * coppro has considered trying out Paranoia 05:20:59 I perused the sourcebook today; it looks Highly Entertaining 05:21:46 murphy had a paranoia nomic thing going on at one point 05:21:48 coppro: YOU ARE NOT CLEARED FOR THAT INFORMATION, CITIZEN 05:22:00 PLEASE REPORT FOR TERMINATION 05:22:01 coppro: I thought perusing the sourcebook is considered cheating in Paranoia? But I don't know, I never played (and might not ever? possibly?) 05:22:03 coppro: BlogNomic inspired you? 05:22:16 zzo38: actually, letting on that you know the rules is against the rules 05:22:24 it's perfectly fine to know them, so long as you don't admit to it 05:22:58 ais523: yes 05:22:58 ais523: O, sorry, now I know. (Now I am cheating too.) 05:23:23 The biggest lie ever: "I have read and agree to the Terms of Use". 05:23:28 ais523: have you played it or is this Wikipediad? 05:23:33 (Wikipediaed?) 05:23:40 coppro: I have played it, three times I think 05:23:57 was it fun? 05:23:59 You break the Computer's rules in Paranoia anyway 05:24:12 * Sgeo_ gets terminated 05:24:21 I GMed a game once 05:24:26 cool 05:24:41 Someone suggested that the worst thing I did was listen to one of the other players 05:24:45 Well, one person said that 05:25:03 (Also, I can now usually know the title of the page I am looking for on Wikipedia directly, so I can just type C-l :w and type it in without having to search first.) 05:25:09 Ah, crud 05:25:22 The place where I was hosting the log got my password recently 05:25:34 I cleared out the malware-containing stuff, but never changed the password 05:25:42 So now everything's reinfected 05:25:44 I think 05:26:07 ais523, Sgeo_: You are not answering my question, in violation of good sense and decency. Please respond or face punishment. 05:26:20 coppro: oh, I didn't see the question 05:26:23 it's fun to play as a one-off 05:26:28 I haven't played much 05:26:31 although it would probably get tiresome as a continuing campaign 05:26:50 * oerjan has never played 05:27:20 in fact i'm always dead serious. 05:27:29 dead and serious 05:27:34 brains.. 05:28:27 walk -> 05:28:32 oerjan: zombies can't walk 05:28:33 they lurch 05:28:54 -!- MizardX has joined. 05:29:06 lurch -> 05:30:36 latch -> 05:30:44 I'm about to repost the log 05:30:48 To a safe place 05:30:54 A safe, warm place. 05:31:03 As soon as I figure out sed to a good enough degree to remove the malicious script 05:31:10 What? 05:31:22 What malicious script? 05:31:33 What log do you mean? 05:31:51 Of the game I GMed 05:32:03 coppro, A2A is starting 05:32:04 Sgeo_: what malicious script? 05:32:08 I won't be participating though 05:32:19 alise, I use a friend's hosting for stuff... the diagonalfish one 05:32:25 Sgeo_: and? 05:32:30 Malicious stuff was added. I removed it, but never changed the password 05:32:39 Sgeo_: What did you use to make the log, and why does it have a malicious script? 05:32:40 Sgeo_: umm ... just edit it out with an editor? 05:32:50 that isn't sed? 05:33:01 alise, good idea, ty 05:33:04 Sgeo_: >_< 05:33:11 Why are you still up? 05:33:15 Sgeo_: That was an incredible bout of stupidity, no matter who did that. 05:33:23 Because I have no reason to go to bed right now. 05:33:54 It's your fault you said "a safe, warm place" 05:34:03 lol 05:34:13 alise cares not for the cycles of your daystar! 05:34:26 i need blackout blinds. 05:34:48 WTF 05:35:09 Sgeo_: FTW? 05:35:37 http://snyfarvu.farmingdale.edu/~goldsj6/paranoia.htm 05:35:48 In Icosahedral RPG: The mana cost of a spell consists of numbers and values (w,u,b,r,g,X), all of which are commutative (although spells themself are not commutative). 05:35:53 Sgeo_: what about it? 05:36:01 The level of a spell is calculated from the mana cost by setting w=u=b=r=g=1 and X=0. 05:36:13 I misremembered where public_html was and thought it went missing, is all 05:36:26 are you sure you want to reveal your SURNAME OMG 05:36:38 * Sgeo_ pokes coppro 05:36:41 and the FIRST LETTER OF YOUR NAME 05:36:47 and what might be your middle name 05:36:49 and 6 05:36:54 (middle initial, that is) 05:36:59 *middle initial 05:37:19 And that I go to FARMINGDALE 05:37:28 zzo38: that was totally not based on Magic 05:37:33 A mana can be constructed from prime manas like positive integers can be constructed from prime numbers. There are five prime manas: w,u,b,r,g. 05:37:51 Sgeo_: AND .EDU 05:37:58 Sgeo_: And SNYFARVU 05:38:13 For example: If a mana cost of a spell is (2u+3) then the level is 5, and if a mana cost is (Xrrb+6r) then the level is 6. 05:38:15 I managed to slow it down to a crawl once and get other people in trouble 05:38:44 A mana you have can be general-use or assigned to a class. 05:39:09 oerjan: do you play Magic? 05:39:20 It is possible to calculate a spell added, subtracted, multiplied, divided, raised to a power of, another spell. 05:39:36 *zzo38 05:39:45 * 05:39:45 oerjan, zzo38, easy mistake to make 05:40:02 the keys are like right next to each other 05:40:08 -!- Mathnerd314 has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.2.8/20100722155716]). 05:40:18 Yes, I can play Magic: the Gathering. However this system is different (although somewhat based on it). 05:40:35 coppro: i too have a zzo38 key on my keyboard 05:40:41 (it's next to the any key) 05:41:23 zzo38: yeah, I noticed. my brain hurts already (btw wubrg was the obvious giveaway) 05:43:44 coppro: Yes. 05:44:00 alise: How can you have a zzo38 key on your keyboard (or why)? That doesn't even make sense? 05:44:07 coppro pronounces ZPM as Zed PM 05:44:09 zzo38: Why doesn't it? 05:44:20 zzo38: I press it and it inserts "zzo38". 05:44:24 zzo38: Right next to the Any key. 05:44:26 Sgeo_: duh. Meredith is totally right on that one. 05:44:29 alise: It just doesn't make sense...... 05:44:40 zzo38: Why not? 05:45:00 Some on-screen keyboards have a key to insert ".com" but that doesn't make sense either, at least it makes slightly more sense than one that inserts "zzo38" 05:45:09 Unless it is a macro key. If it is a macro key, it can make sense. 05:45:14 It's a joke 05:45:17 Nope, it's a bona-fide zzo38 key. 05:45:19 Sgeo_: No it's not :< 05:45:28 Well, okay 05:45:31 maybe it is SLIGHTLY a joke 05:45:32 SLIGHTLY 05:45:33 alise: What kind of keyboard do you have, anyways? Does it have a F13 key? 05:45:51 And F14 and F15 and F16 key? 05:46:05 zzo38: Yes, in fact it has up to F34. 05:46:10 It also has three numlocks. 05:46:19 It's a BIT of a STRANGE keyboard. 05:47:02 alise: Yes, I suppose it is a bit strange........ 05:47:26 It also has a "Detonate Nuclear Missiles" button. 05:47:29 Right next to the Q button. 05:47:46 alise: To the left or to the right? Or in a different direction? 05:47:55 To the right. 05:48:06 Q, Detonate Nuclear Missiles, W, E, K, T, Y, I, U, O, P 05:48:19 it's the rare qwekty layout -- ibm made this in late 70s, early 80s 05:48:24 i have an adapter plugged in 05:48:37 -!- alise has quit (Quit: Leaving). 05:48:52 I doubt IBM ever built such a keyboard with everything like that you mention, you must have built it yourself, if in fact it actually exists at all 05:50:23 In Icosahedral RPG, the method for paying mana cost of a spell can be formally mathematically described as follows (note: you hardly ever need this long formal dsecription, you can simplify it a lot): After selecting the non-negative integer in place of X, rewrite the mana cost as a sum of manas. 05:51:10 And then, you can multiply any of the terms by any manas. And then remove manas from the class manas that are the same as each term. 05:52:45 (The mana cost of a spell can be described as terms consisting of non-negative integers multiplied by manas, where X is a variable.) 05:54:03 ??Is this sensible to you?? 05:54:39 it seems to use the word "mana" in several unrelated contexts 05:54:41 which makes it hard to follow 05:54:42 as sensible as anything else I here in here 05:54:44 What's the point of the formal definition? 05:54:52 * Sgeo_ ducks 05:55:08 (Thanks!) 05:56:00 signs that I might want to leave a channel: there has been 0 activity in 60 hours (not even joins/parts) 05:56:16 o.O 05:56:31 ais523: The word "mana" is not used in several unrelated contexts in this game. It is used as a mathematical quantity (which is commutative), or as a mana that you have in a class or general-use, which is also a instance of one of these mathematical quantities. 05:56:32 Are there other people physically in there? 05:56:44 how can a quantity be commutative? 05:57:07 coppro: That means that (wu)=(uw) for example (where that means (w) multiplied by (u)) 05:57:20 so multiplication of mana is commutative, you mean 05:57:25 coppro: Yes. 05:57:36 Multiplication of spells is *not* commutative, however. 05:58:24 -!- CakeProphet has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 05:58:31 (A mana being commutative is actually (as far as I can tell) implied by the definition of a "mana" given above) 05:58:34 -!- Gregor-P has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 05:59:11 zzo38: saying that a qantity is commutative is not only meaningless but confusing 05:59:17 -!- CakeProphet has joined. 05:59:31 coppro: How is it confusing? 05:59:31 only operations can have commutativity 05:59:46 and there can be multiple operations on a quantity, some of which are commutative and some of which aren't 05:59:52 for instance, would you say numbers are commutative? 06:01:30 coppro: Normal numbers (including complex numbers) are commutative, but hypercomplex numbers are not commutative. 06:01:54 (Meta-complex numbers are commutative, however.) 06:01:59 zzo38: what about 2^3 not being equal to 3^2 06:02:01 zzo38: no, multiplication is commutative over complex numbers, but not over quaternions 06:02:11 this is a property of multiplication, not of the numbers themselves 06:02:20 just like addition is commutative over both, and exponentiation is commutative over neither 06:03:20 exactly 06:03:23 To me, that is how I abbreviate it, it should be assumed multiplication is meant (and that if you specify it just saying "these numbers are commutative", that addition is also commutative) 06:03:29 hardly! 06:03:38 coppro: That is because exponent is not commutative 06:03:45 exactly 06:03:54 Well, don't abbreviate it 06:03:58 you cannot say that "numbers" are commutative because they aren't 06:04:20 well, unless your numbers are functions themselves 06:04:33 don't misuse terminology if you're attempting to make a formal definition especially 06:04:33 Someone should make an esolang that does that 06:04:43 I can easily imagine (2 3 4) being valid in a lisp-like esolang, or 3 `2` 4 in a Haskell-like esolang 06:05:02 and it's common to use functions to represent numbers in Unlambda and Underlambda 06:05:14 Hmm, right 06:05:57 although they tend to be unary functions rather than binary, you can always uncurry 06:06:36 * Sgeo_ wonders how this can apply to the AW computer 06:09:49 coppro: no 06:10:03 oerjan: to? 06:10:10 oh 06:10:11 that was a typo 06:11:22 What was a typo? 06:11:38 * Sgeo_ takes his main ingredient in some OTC sleeping pills + hormone 06:11:48 pills :( 06:15:01 coppro: Would you prefer a suppository? 06:15:20 pikhq: ... thank you 06:15:33 you have made my life better 06:16:21 btw you should join blognomic 06:16:25 next dynasty will be fun 06:17:05 !haskell :t 3 `2` 4 06:17:37 !haskell "Boo!" 06:17:38 "Boo!" 06:18:21 !haskell 3 `2` 4 06:18:32 Why would that work/ 06:18:40 oh wait 06:18:58 !haskell main = print $ 3 `2` 4 06:19:00 it wouldn't 06:20:04 i was just wondering if it was a parse error (in which case you cannot do that in haskell) or a type error (in which case you could fix it with a Num instance for functions) 06:20:12 alas it's a parse error 06:20:38 !haskell :t 2 3 4 06:21:10 sadly, EgoBot seems not to know 06:21:13 !haskell :t 2 (3 :: Int) (4 :: Int) 06:21:14 2 (3 :: Int) (4 :: Int) :: (Num (Int -> Int -> t)) => t 06:21:32 according to my ghci, 2 3 4 :: (Num (t1 -> t2 -> t), Num t1, Num t2) => t 06:21:37 the type was too ambiguous i guess 06:22:54 -!- GreaseMonkey has quit (Quit: New quit message. Entering 2006 in style.). 06:23:10 i guess EgoBot is set with too strict options to give an answer or something 06:23:40 and if :t gives an error/warning, we'll never know 06:23:46 pikhq: have you never played BN? 06:24:40 ghci didn't give an error or warning when I tried 06:25:30 no but EgoBot may be using -wall or something? 06:25:54 !sh ls interps/haskell 06:25:54 /bin/ls: cannot access interps/haskell: No such file or directory 06:26:02 !sh ls 06:26:02 interps 06:26:26 !sh ls interps/ | fmt -w100 06:26:26 1l 2l Makefile adjust axo befunge bf_txtgen bfjoust boof c-intercal cat cfunge clc-intercal 06:26:45 er 06:26:51 !sh ls interps/ | fmt -w500 06:26:53 1l 2l Makefile adjust axo befunge bf_txtgen bfjoust boof c-intercal cat cfunge clc-intercal dimensifuck egobch egobf fukyorbrane gcccomp gforth_quit ghc glass glypho kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain qbf rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 underload unlambda whirl 06:27:22 !sh ls interps/ghc | fmt -w500 06:27:23 runghc 06:27:44 !sh fmt -w500 interps/ghc/runghc 06:27:44 #!/bin/bash if ! ghc -O2 -e "`cat $1`" 2> /dev/null then 06:27:52 coppro: No, but I have been Ambassador to it. 06:28:25 ah 06:28:48 !sh cat interps/ghc/runghc | fmt -w500 06:28:48 #!/bin/bash if ! ghc -O2 -e "`cat $1`" 2> /dev/null then 06:28:52 I've touched BN once 06:28:56 gah 06:30:23 hm actually that means it uses no options besides -O2 07:03:12 -!- myndzi has joined. 07:04:50 -!- myndzi\ has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 07:11:31 Enforcing hibernation npw 07:11:33 now 07:13:01 it's not working 07:13:03 I'm not hibernating 07:14:22 it's official 07:14:37 I'm addicted to watching the hours tick down to my BN vicotyr 07:14:39 *victory 07:17:10 -!- Sgeo_ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 07:23:37 coppro: you have BN victory on a /timer/? 07:24:06 * ais523 wonders, what exploit is this? 07:32:38 ais523: He must cackle as it goes down. 07:39:14 ais523: it should actually be pretty easily visible 07:39:24 or at least logically deducible 07:39:27 it's not even a scam 07:39:38 * coppro cackles for pikhq 07:39:55 :D 07:40:50 I don't see how you trigger either VC 07:41:40 or 2.4.1, fwiw, although I can see how you might have proposals designed to trigger that 07:41:46 which would explain the timer 07:42:48 you don't have -6 treason, and a method of pumping someone else up to UV would be considered a scam 07:42:58 so I find it hard to square the ruleset with your actoins 07:42:59 *actions 07:43:01 * ais523 checks proposals 07:43:25 "mantra of the unwashed" is clearly an attempt to trigger 2.4.1, btw 07:50:22 it's actually not 07:54:38 hmm 07:54:49 well, unless you're planning to bypass the ruleset entirely, you'll need to trigger it somehow 07:55:20 * oerjan suddenly envisions the concept of a nomic crank 07:55:57 someone who insists that their scam _does_ work despite all evidence to the contrary 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:01:56 lol 08:05:43 * coppro is bored 08:06:21 coppro: Play chess and be not bored, then? 08:06:30 nah 08:06:33 Or else, just rest? 08:06:42 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ). 08:36:10 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 08:55:18 -!- cheater109 has changed nick to cheater00. 08:55:45 -!- cheater00 has changed nick to cheateur. 08:55:49 -!- cheateur has changed nick to cheater99. 09:19:57 -!- Guest69640 has joined. 09:24:01 -!- Guest69640 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 09:46:30 -!- cheater109 has joined. 09:49:39 -!- cheater109 has changed nick to cheater00. 09:50:04 -!- cheater99 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 09:50:26 -!- cheater00 has changed nick to cheater99. 09:51:10 -!- cheater99 has changed nick to cheater00. 09:51:25 -!- cheater00 has changed nick to cheater1. 09:53:30 -!- Flonk has joined. 09:53:32 good morning 09:54:06 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 10:00:01 -!- comex has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 10:00:31 -!- comex has joined. 10:03:17 -!- Wamanuz has joined. 10:29:40 -!- ais523 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 10:44:34 -!- sshc_ has joined. 10:45:23 -!- sshc has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 11:01:02 -!- distant_figure has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 11:14:15 -!- tombom has joined. 11:17:34 -!- nooga has joined. 11:19:08 -!- derdon has joined. 11:35:18 -!- FireyFly has joined. 11:42:07 -!- FireyFly has changed nick to FireFly. 11:59:24 -!- distant_figure has joined. 12:06:29 -!- Slereah has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 12:13:11 -!- Slereah has joined. 12:47:23 -!- BeholdMyGlory has joined. 12:59:15 apparently monkey brains can neuroplastically adapt to brain machine interfaces 12:59:35 I say this is cool as fuck 13:05:07 Man, damn my stupid PEOPLE BRAIN that can't. 13:27:14 -!- distant_figure has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 13:36:23 -!- augur has joined. 13:45:43 -!- distant_figure has joined. 14:06:17 -!- alise has joined. 14:31:14 -!- sftp has joined. 15:38:36 -!- MigoMipo has quit (Quit: Quit). 15:56:50 -!- Sgeo has joined. 16:19:10 -!- tombom_ has joined. 16:20:21 -!- tombom has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 16:44:46 -!- Mathnerd314 has joined. 16:55:49 -!- Wamanuz2 has joined. 16:56:29 -!- Wamanuz has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 17:02:23 Sgeo: coppro: FWIW, I'll probably be starting another Nethack game in a little while. 17:04:52 On termcast or elsewhere? 17:05:52 Sgeo: Well, got any suggestions for elsewhere? 17:06:11 Someone suggested something called NEU? 17:06:11 I'm not going to use NAO; it's ridiculously slow on this part of the globe. 17:06:40 Sgeo: I'm looking for it on http://nethack.wikia.com/wiki/Public_server... 17:06:53 Sgeo: But I don't really see a huge problem with termcast. I much prefer the zero-latency gameplay. 17:07:15 Hmm, that's a point 17:07:18 Can you tell me what's wrong with termcast, apart from the ridiculous possibility that I modified the code to cheat, which is patently untrue as I do terribly? :P 17:07:44 with termcast, every keypress happens instantly, and it gets sent off to the server in the background 17:07:53 with servers you have to wait for the roundtrip 17:08:33 Can't find anything that looks like an NEU on that public server list. 17:10:29 Sgeo: Is there a way to get Nethack to colour the status line somehow? 17:10:37 Say, give a red background to things like low HP or blindness, etc. 17:11:04 (Inspired by this screenshot of UnNetHack: http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090621122957/nethack/images/b/b4/UnNetHack.png) 17:11:25 Um, there's a patch for that, that I think NAO uses 17:11:46 (I think) 17:11:55 There's a patch for that. NetHack. From the Dev Team. www.nethack.org 17:12:26 Oh, come on, laugh. 17:12:42 * Sgeo got it, but didn't feel a need to laugh in-channel 17:12:47 :| 17:13:20 http://nethack.wikia.com/wiki/Statuscolors 17:14:07 http://nethack.wikia.com/wiki/HPmon is what NAO uses 17:14:59 Sgeo: Actually, maybe not having it coloured will encourage me to be more careful. 17:15:02 I may watch some SGU 17:15:06 Think more, etc. 17:15:19 Or, alternatively, explorer.exe can crash 17:15:28 Ha ha, Windows user 17:15:30 *user. 17:17:00 Sgeo: Well, I'm going to start the game in a second. 17:17:24 Awesome, VLC's refusing to not be full-screened again 17:17:37 See! More reason to watch me play Nethack instead. :P 17:19:24 I should mention termcast to my UNIX professor 17:19:39 *Unix 17:20:13 (It's trademarked as UNIX but that's because of retardedness; the erroneous "UNIX" spelling comes from the fact that "Unix" was set in small caps in the original manuals.) 17:21:02 Do you have a source for this? (I want to be sure that you're not pranking me) 17:21:15 x_x 17:21:23 That would be the World's Worst Prank. 17:21:37 "Unix (officially trademarked as UNIX, sometimes also written as Unix with small caps)" --Wikipedia 17:21:42 Or do you want me to dig out an old Unix paper too?! 17:21:50 No, that's sufficient 17:21:52 :P 17:21:59 *checks Wikipedia article's history* 17:22:07 Jesus christ. 17:22:32 Ok 17:22:39 Sgeo: OK, so I'm being a little pedantic; old Unix guys have called it UNIX in media such as email before. 17:22:44 But that's probably just to emulate the small caps. 17:22:54 Anyway, a better justification is that Unix is definitely /valid/, and dammit, UNIX looks ugly. 17:23:24 Tell me when you're on termcast 17:23:38 Or not 17:23:46 Sgeo: Nonono wait 17:23:51 Sgeo: I need you to be pedantic in turn 17:24:02 Hmm? 17:24:02 Sgeo: My window is titled "Nethack" with a lowercase h, please beat me with a rusty stick 17:24:19 In my defence, "NetHack" looks SO ugly. 17:24:36 I'm not beating you with anything, perv! 17:24:38 17:24:53 Is there /anything/ you cannot turn sexual? 17:25:23 Something that's already sexual! 17:25:38 Sgeo: Okay, going on air in three... two... one... 17:25:51 Do you receive the test signal?! 17:25:52 :P 17:25:59 Watching 17:26:03 coppro: ^ also (in case you're silly enough to want to watch) 17:26:53 Hmm, that reminds me 17:27:04 Sgeo: What's the name of that nice bot that spoils you about all the monsters? 17:27:10 that ais mentioned yesterday 17:27:21 PinoBot 17:27:29 thanks 17:27:34 yw 17:27:55 Um 17:27:58 Sgeo: Lookat dat 17:27:59 XD 17:28:01 Do you know about vaults? 17:28:11 I know /of/ them; I don't know how I can get out of them. 17:28:21 You can drop your gold 17:28:24 And go with the guard 17:28:26 Or 17:28:28 Wait 17:28:38 If you want to keep it, say Croesus (I think) 17:28:40 Does it matter who I tell the Guard I am? 17:28:43 Lemme check 17:28:47 Sgeo: Apparently. 17:28:52 Now /that/ was cheating. :P 17:29:02 You may be trapped 17:29:10 Sgeo: What if I give him another name? 17:29:19 You'll have to drop the gold and leave 17:29:26 Can I leave? 17:29:27 And you can't come back through the trap 17:29:45 Sgeo: What if I kill the guard? 17:29:57 -!- Cavilador has joined. 17:30:01 I doubt you're strong enough. I don't know 17:30:07 Sgeo: Or, better idea: what if I pick up the gold again now, and resume following him? :D 17:30:17 I don't know 17:30:25 Worth a try. 17:30:36 Or it could be a terminally bad idea 17:30:37 "So be it, rogue!" Oh dear. 17:30:52 Sgeo: That was a quick death. 17:31:01 Note to self: In future, follow guards. 17:31:16 Sgeo: Okay, reconnecting. 17:31:21 Let's hope this game lasts slightly longer. 17:31:30 Connected? 17:31:36 -!- oerjan has joined. 17:31:37 Yes 17:32:36 Man, damn my stupid PEOPLE BRAIN that can't. 17:32:51 i would assume if monkey brains can, it's quite likely human brains can too 17:32:54 Sgeo: No point going to the vault, is there? 17:33:01 What vault? 17:33:10 Sgeo: I heard vaulty noises, says Nethack. 17:33:22 When you're stronger or have teleportitis 17:33:33 Don't know if anyone follows you if you teleport out 17:33:33 -!- nooga has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 17:33:33 Bloody dead-end corridor. 17:33:43 IS it a dead end? 17:33:46 there's just the slight problem of getting the testing past the ethical board... 17:33:51 Sgeo: I've searched ~60 times now. 17:33:56 So I'd assume so. 17:34:02 oerjan: any context? :P 17:34:11 Sgeo: Unless you want me to search more? XD 17:34:16 04:59:15 apparently monkey brains can neuroplastically adapt to brain machine interfaces 17:34:17 Meh 17:34:19 04:59:35 I say this is cool as fuck 17:34:48 I think your pet can be diagonal from you when you go down or up 17:35:03 Sgeo: Okay. I was being cautious. 17:35:11 A shop! 17:35:17 YAY LIQUOR 17:35:23 You can steal from shops, can't you? 17:35:27 -!- Cavilador has quit. 17:35:34 Yes... safest to do so with your pet 17:35:38 Ah yes, that. 17:35:46 Sgeo: Are shopkeepers difficult to kill? 17:35:52 For you, right now, yes 17:36:19 Sgeo: More to the point, do I actually need any potions at this point...? 17:36:36 I don't know 17:36:42 Ehh, I'll skip it. 17:37:41 Sgeo: How peculiar! 17:37:42 You can kick down doors, you know 17:37:44 I suppose there is a hidden door. 17:37:48 Sgeo: Wait, locked doors? 17:37:50 Yes 17:37:50 Really? 17:38:04 Guh 17:38:08 I've been playing without opening them at all 17:38:32 Wait 17:38:39 Waiting 17:38:41 Ok, look at HP. 17:38:48 Hmm, good idea. 17:38:51 That was the fox, wasn't it? 17:38:52 Also, note that grid bugs can't bite on a diagonal 17:38:59 I don't know 17:39:10 Well, whatever. 17:39:15 I don't really have any way to get the HP back. 17:39:30 Resting helps I think 17:39:52 There. 17:41:08 Eep 17:41:10 Um 17:41:19 WHAT NOW :P 17:41:22 That looks dangerous, but I forget exactly what it is 17:41:22 The B 17:41:30 Well, I killed it instantly, so there we go. 17:41:32 And possibly the o 17:41:35 Or not 17:41:41 Don't eat zombie corpses 17:41:52 OOoh 17:41:56 Yay altar 17:41:58 Drop stuff on it 17:42:01 yes 17:42:31 Sgeo: Why do NetHack pets all have ADHD? 17:42:43 I am not a NetHack pet! 17:42:55 Sgeo: Did I ever say that? 17:43:05 No, but still >.> 17:43:59 -!- nooga has joined. 17:44:01 Sgeo: What does zapping do, again? 17:44:07 uses a wand 17:44:12 I mean, grid bugs. 17:44:15 Oh 17:44:18 *shrug* 17:44:31 Oh, dear. 17:44:32 Werewolves. 17:44:58 Only kidding! 17:45:03 Ok, good 17:45:14 Well, that was clever. 17:45:17 Why would you.. 17:45:22 I thought maybe it was inactive! 17:45:29 Wait 17:45:35 Floating eye, hidihi. 17:45:37 Don't strike the floating eye in melee 17:45:41 Okay. 17:45:45 (Why?) 17:45:50 It will paralize you 17:45:57 And some pathetic weak monster will kill you 17:46:09 Kill it from a distance and eat the corpse 17:46:28 Daggers any good for throwing? 17:46:30 -!- Flonk_ has joined. 17:46:34 I don't know 17:46:36 oerjan: It was a stealth reference to a "man, I hate my stupid monkey blood!" Penny Arcade comic, actually. 17:46:38 Worth a try. 17:46:45 Also worth eating at some point 17:46:58 Sgeo: It left no corpse. 17:47:09 I was planning to eat the corpse. 17:47:10 :( 17:47:27 Conveys telepathy, what's that all about? 17:47:44 When you're blind and have intrinsic telepathy, you can sense monsters all around the level 17:47:52 A shitload of fountains on this level. 17:48:11 AIEEE! 17:48:15 -!- Flonk has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 17:48:20 Sounds like kernel panic! 17:48:25 -!- Flonk_ has changed nick to Flonk. 17:48:26 Dammit, Felix! 17:48:45 Poisonous. 17:49:14 ./kernel/exit.c: panic("Aiee, killing interrupt handler!"); 17:49:37 Sgeo: Ring mail's better than what I have, right? 17:49:42 I have no idea, sorry 17:49:43 ... but it's heavy and maybe cursed. 17:49:45 I'll pass. 17:49:50 Sgeo: I know it's worse than chain mail. 17:51:05 Them mines 17:51:09 Sgeo: I see no other way. 17:51:24 Under the corpse? 17:51:38 Perhaps 17:51:41 *Perhaps. 17:51:50 Sgeo: Or not. 17:52:01 Under the ring mail? 17:52:17 How can I tell? 17:52:22 Picking it up? 17:52:29 Um, doesn't look it, but you could try going down 17:52:49 Force bolt 17:52:49 Dumb idea. 17:52:50 Oh wait 17:52:56 =P 17:52:59 Sgeo: Looks like there's only one way out of this situation! 17:53:03 TO THE MINES 17:53:21 o.O 17:53:21 Sgeo: I have no long-range weapons. 17:53:26 Ha;lp 17:53:59 That's better. 17:54:07 A sink? 17:54:11 Sinks are good for IDing rings 17:54:16 There's a page on that 17:54:17 If only I had rings. 17:54:35 And for breaking your legs when you're levitating 17:54:41 "good" 17:54:53 Hey, if you're levitating against your will... 17:55:05 A ring 17:55:12 Sgeo: How convenient. 17:55:20 Was about to say the exat same thing 17:55:37 What's that splashing? 17:55:42 Um, IDing rings at a sink usually means losing the ring 17:55:45 Probably the sink 17:55:51 Wait ... then why ID them? 17:56:05 So you know what they are in the future 17:56:14 What if I forget? Does the game remember for me? 17:56:27 I don't remember if it asks you to Call 17:56:30 Loot! 17:56:53 Sgeo: Worth doing? 17:57:01 I... don't know 17:57:03 Worth a try. 17:57:07 And be more useful :P 17:57:09 You need a junk object 17:57:15 A fortune cookie? 17:57:29 It's food, not sure that it counts as junk :/ 17:57:52 Also, there may be otehr ways to ID rings 17:58:21 All rings may be identified by dropping them into sinks. The sink will show an effect depending on the type of ring. Rings other than searching and slow digestion will be lost with 95% probability; therefore it is a good idea to do this test only if you have another ring of the same type as the one being tested, or if you know that the ring is cursed, or you don't want it for some other reason. 17:58:31 Meh. 17:58:43 "but lying carries a small alignment penalty for lawfuls" 17:58:47 Sgeo: Why did Felix yowl? 17:58:56 Uh, crud 17:59:02 Don't know why, but it can't be good 17:59:14 You can #chat with your cat to get an idea of how it is feeling: 17:59:14 it will yowl if it is caught in a trap, confused, fleeing, or tameness is getting low. 18:00:17 Sgeo: Does Felix hate me :( 18:00:24 Not yet 18:00:46 He's still tame 18:01:02 Any catrearing tips? 18:01:49 Sgeo: He wanted food. 18:01:54 RIP Felix 18:02:06 ...can you feed pets non-pet food? 18:02:16 If they're hungry, I think 18:02:21 Sgeo: :'( 18:02:24 I starved it 18:02:26 Him 18:02:26 Her 18:02:28 Whatever 18:03:02 Sorry that I couldn't help 18:03:07 It's alright 18:03:08 My fault 18:03:26 You can tame almost anything, right? 18:03:27 Theoretically. 18:03:35 Um, not sure 18:03:41 There are some untamable things 18:03:45 Well if someone had PESTILENCE as a pet... 18:03:56 I don't think you can tame the Wizard of Yendor 18:04:01 :DD 18:04:02 Oops 18:04:08 Oh well 18:04:09 YOu may have broken a mirror 18:04:10 Or two 18:04:11 * alise kicks it some more 18:04:27 Sgeo: Not potions? 18:04:34 Or potions, hopefully 18:04:40 I may be mistaken 18:04:56 Ooh, statue 18:05:00 Aww, an iguana would have made a nice pet. 18:05:04 Sgeo: Yes ... several. Why? 18:05:13 Um, don't know 18:05:30 They may contain stuff? Not particularly useful for you 18:05:42 What's the |? 18:05:53 gravestone 18:05:56 Ah 18:05:57 no 18:05:58 headstone 18:05:59 whatever 18:06:04 encarved Beetlejuice Beetlejuice Beetlejuice 18:06:13 How do you loot statues ... 18:06:16 Just #loot? 18:06:22 Never thought of that 18:06:29 I was thinking of just breaking it open 18:06:30 How do they contain stuff, then? 18:06:32 Oh. 18:06:33 But you're not a wizard 18:06:42 It can't hurt to try, can it? 18:06:58 If there's one thing Nethack has taught me, it's this: it can ALWAYS hurt to try. 18:07:05 "The contents of the statue can be retrieved by either smashing it apart, or by using a stone to flesh spell to convert it to a living being, whereupon the contents will become the monster's inventory." 18:07:22 Sgeo: Ow. My leg. 18:07:55 You have autopickup on? 18:08:01 Sgeo: For a few items; why? 18:08:04 I picked up the rocks on purpose. 18:08:06 I am a bit silly. 18:08:07 Oh 18:08:24 $1004, wow. 18:08:42 It occurs to me that coins are great junk objects 18:08:47 XD 18:08:53 You can't drop just one coin, though, can you? 18:08:58 Yes you an 18:08:59 can 18:09:01 How? 18:09:22 Sgeo: Ehm ... do dogs like candy bars? 18:09:24 Um, not sure? 18:09:25 XD 18:09:28 with D, I think 18:09:32 Oh, dogs and candy bars? 18:09:33 No clue 18:10:03 to drop a coin, I think it's D1$ 18:10:07 I think 18:10:24 Taming wild dogs is usually easy, because all sizes of dog are considered domestic animals. Throwing a meaty treat, a safe fresh meat-based corpse, or processed human food at a hostile or peaceful dog will tame it. Throwing any other comestible at a dog will at least render it peaceful, with the exception of cream pies and eggs (which will break on impact). 18:10:40 There we go. 18:10:43 Doggy pal. 18:11:00 How do you name your pet again...? 18:11:02 I think it's N for pets? 18:11:05 Not sure 18:11:55 call 18:12:13 yeah 18:12:14 C 18:13:02 Throne room. 18:13:03 Hm. 18:13:44 Please don't kill your second pet 18:13:53 Sgeo: I'll try not to! 18:13:59 Yipping is apparently A-OK. 18:14:46 Helms are good! 18:16:01 Sgeo: Is it, uh, wise to enter throne rooms? 18:16:08 I don't know 18:16:34 Throne rooms contain an assortment of monsters, a throne, and a chest. There is a guaranteed throne room in Fort Ludios, in the Castle and in Vlad's tower. 18:16:34 http://nethack.wikia.com/wiki/Throne_room#Throne_rooms gives me no reason to think that they're peaceful 18:17:06 Unless they are, I guess 18:17:06 Sgeo: But the reward IS powerful, I get a throne. 18:17:15 Well, they aren't attacking me ;) 18:17:41 Sgeo: http://nethack.wikia.com/wiki/Throne#Sitting_on_a_throne 18:17:49 These seem like rather good outcomes. Maybe. 18:17:56 Possibility to genocide. 18:18:05 Get to make a wish. Identify items. 18:18:17 Some negative outcomes 18:18:23 Mm. 18:18:28 There's preparations you can take before sitting. 18:18:31 Sgeo: OTOH, fighting these guys seems like a nice way to train. 18:18:37 fizzie: /This/ early in the game? 18:18:48 Mostly, you can drop all your gold to the next square. 18:18:49 Sgeo: I can always flee. RAAAAMPAAAAAGE! 18:18:55 Because one of the outcomes is the loss of all of it. 18:19:13 How are you not dead? 18:19:20 Sgeo: Because I'm SO HARDCORE. 18:19:34 WTF is an aklys? 18:19:50 An aklys, known as a thonged club when unidentified, is a kind of weapon commonly used by gnomes and is hence frequent junk in the Gnomish Mines. It is lighter than the standard club at only 15 weight units compared to the club’s 30. Also unlike the standard club, the aklys is made of iron rather than wood. It is relatively worthless, having a base cost of only 4 zorkmids. The aklys does 1d6 damage (average of 3.5) to small creatures, and 1d3 damage (ave 18:19:50 rage of 2) to large creatures, identical with the standard club. 18:19:53 Junk. 18:20:20 alise, note HP 18:20:27 Yes, I'm resting for a little bit. 18:21:16 Sgeo: This is FUN! 18:21:34 Uh oh. 18:21:48 Sgeo: Good thing there's so many monsters here I can just flail wildly! 18:21:52 fizzie: You gotta see this. :P 18:22:03 I can open it on one screen; how? 18:22:11 fizzie: telnet termcast.org 18:22:13 I don't promise I'll be watching very closely, though. 18:22:15 Whichever one's "alise". 18:22:36 Heeeeere we gooooooooo 18:22:52 Aww, I'm not blind any more. 18:22:54 *anymore. 18:22:56 Okay, you appear to have eaten a bugbear; I guess I picked the right one. 18:23:31 The throne room is a lot easier with stealth; you don't wake up everything in there. 18:23:46 Okay, a pet might still go and awaken monsters, though. 18:24:16 alise starved his first pet 18:24:24 It's praying time soon. 18:24:36 Incidentally, is there some sort of a trick going on, or how do the line-drawing characters work on this UTF-8 term? 18:24:46 fizzie: It's the Unicode ones, I think. 18:24:50 I'm using DECgraphics. 18:25:05 fizzie: Although, wait, no. 18:25:12 fizzie: As I recall, most terminals automatically rejiggle those to work. 18:25:19 fizzie: For instance, elinks manages them fine. 18:25:20 Those, yes, I guess. 18:25:27 IBMgraphics is a bit more fiddlier to set up. 18:25:39 (But you get "top of integral sign" fountains and all.) 18:25:57 How am I not satiated yet?! 18:26:22 alise is going the way of Felix, but isn't aware of it yet 18:26:35 Sgeo: Hm? 18:26:42 Starving, you mean? 18:26:43 ^^joke 18:26:45 Yes 18:26:47 :P 18:26:55 I've eaten something like 10 corpses in the past few hundred turns. 18:26:55 Or more. 18:27:09 Sgeo: Would you look at that? 18:27:15 Awesome 18:27:19 I just vanquished an entire throne room without going very low on HP once! Yay. 18:27:30 fizzie: So, drop mah moneys, right? 18:27:45 Right. I don't think there's too much else to do, though I might just forget something. 18:28:04 Darn, no effect. 18:28:04 Well, that was useless. 18:28:17 fizzie: Not useless; I've got a lot of fightin' 'sperience doing that. 18:28:18 Also having it disappear on the first #sit is unlucky. 18:28:32 "If your Luck is strictly positive, you are blinded for 250 to 349 (more) turns; otherwise, your inventory is randomly cursed (as for a "malignant aura"). 18:28:32 " 18:28:42 349 turns, ha 18:28:48 Might there be something in the chest? 18:28:50 Sgeo: that's a 1/13 chance though :D 18:28:54 Sgeo: I already looted the chest 18:28:55 a gem 18:28:56 Oh, right: there's that chest next to the throne, it's a reasonably safe place to stick the money in before sitting. 18:29:13 Write in the ground with the gem 18:29:19 Oh, and hold onto the lizard corpse 18:29:21 Uh oh, eye. 18:29:21 Don't eat 18:29:25 Sgeo: Too late. 18:29:28 Sgeo: Scooby ate it. 18:29:44 Floating eyes, my favourite kind of floating eye. 18:30:29 Sgeo: !!! 18:30:31 Food poisoning. 18:30:33 Now would be a good time to pray 18:30:34 I'm fucked. 18:30:42 Or not. 18:30:44 Hooray for religion. 18:30:48 Get the flating eye corpse 18:30:52 None? 18:30:53 DAMMIT 18:31:17 Stunned. Lovely. 18:31:22 What does that do, again? 18:31:30 Walk around semi-randomly I think 18:31:34 Indeed. 18:31:36 Be careful near your dog 18:31:47 Oh, I know! I'll pray! 18:32:43 "Food poisoning is completely preventable (in NetHack) by avoiding eating old corpses." 18:32:57 Bitch! 18:32:59 >_> 18:33:08 But they look so fucking tasty 18:33:09 All I did was brutally attack her. 18:34:08 alise, note P 18:34:09 HP 18:34:11 yes 18:34:24 am I not prepared for this level, do you think? :/ 18:34:39 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Later). 18:34:44 Sgeo: OK; what now? 18:34:47 >_< 18:35:01 Ask in #nethack 18:35:16 "Hello; I've got myself into a stupid situation because I'm retarded. Halp." 18:37:19 Sgeo: Oh! Elbereth! 18:37:47 Sgeo: Won't that work? 18:37:54 Um, it might 18:37:55 Or do mummys count as humanoid? :P 18:38:06 you mean A Elbereth? 18:38:13 coppro: ? 18:38:20 I don't think #nethack realises that the mummy is actively attacking me. 18:38:24 A Elbereth Gilthoniel! 18:38:57 coppro: do *you* see anywhere I can move without dying next turn? http://i.imgur.com/dLUSe.png 18:39:10 Okay, Elbereth time. 18:39:36 No it didn't. 18:39:37 yes, Elbereth is good. Have a wand you can use? 18:39:40 coppro: No. 18:39:44 I Elberethed, the mummy fleed, 18:39:46 came back, kille dme. 18:39:49 *killed me 18:39:56 in situations like that, you just keep Elberething 18:40:06 alise, you moved! 18:40:06 *killed me. 18:40:08 since you will wear the old ones out 18:40:09 Sgeo: Did not. 18:40:28 Go team elf mummy. Go team new-game. 18:40:37 WHOA. 18:40:42 ? 18:40:44 Nethack picked dwarven Valkyrie for me. 18:40:47 I accidentally said yes. 18:40:50 lol 18:40:50 What are the chances? 18:40:58 Well, same time, same bat-channel. 18:41:00 Here we go again ... 18:41:04 coppro: (telnet termcast.org) 18:41:41 Sgeo: Chain mail on dlvl 1 18:41:42 *score* 18:41:59 nice 18:42:29 Probably cursed, but who cares? It's chain mail! :p 18:42:36 Fuck yeah axen 18:42:46 Items can be -enhanced 18:43:22 Sgeo: chaimail has high AC to start with, so a negative enchantment is likely to be a net win 18:43:40 Ah 18:43:45 I had -1 cursed chain mail for the majority of my game yesterday where I got to Sokoban. 18:43:47 Don't regret it one bit. 18:44:29 in fact, I don't think a harmful chain mail can be generated 18:45:11 +0 chain mail 18:45:12 score! 18:45:44 This is a surprisingly active dlvl 1. 18:46:08 Uh ... Felix? 18:46:20 He got transported to the vault, didn't he ... 18:46:36 There's a vault? 18:46:40 Yes. 18:46:58 Oh, Felix is down here. 18:47:21 Ooh, smoky potion 18:49:14 lol 18:49:18 I need more Exp 18:50:38 coppro: Sgeo: rate this idea: 200s until monster, kill, repeat 18:50:49 I need the next 22 hours to pass unremarkably 18:50:54 alise: bad 18:50:56 you'll starve 18:51:23 true 18:51:30 coppro: why? for the ****? 18:51:35 He'll pull a Felix? 18:51:38 the ***** **** ******* * 18:51:45 ***, not * 18:51:47 that is 18:51:49 **, not * 18:51:52 ?? 18:51:52 as * denotes a correction. 18:52:21 coppro: Q: What's better than a blindfold? 18:52:23 A: Two blindfolds! 18:52:37 Sgeo: RIP Felix 18:52:40 "RIP Felix" is now a meme. 18:52:51 You kill poor Felix! Welcome to experience level 3.--More-- 18:52:56 NetHack: Kill pet, gain experience 18:53:01 alise: what? 18:53:18 How'd mypu dp that? 18:53:25 killing a pet is a horrible idea 18:53:39 coppro: yep, it was an accident 18:53:47 Sgeo: viciously attacked a gas spore 18:53:55 without previously considering the implications of this 18:54:07 There is an open door here. You see here a kitten corpse named Felix. 18:54:12 coppro: If I eat it, can I become Chaotic? 18:54:16 >:D 18:54:21 did you hear the rumble of distant thunder? 18:54:30 Eating it is probably not a good idea 18:54:53 coppro: yep! <3 18:54:58 THUNDER IS LIKE THE GREATEST 18:55:00 alise: becoming chaotic in nethack will make the game unwinnable 18:55:10 also, congratulations, you suffered -15 alignment and -1 luck 18:55:15 YAAAY 18:55:16 your god hates you now 18:55:27 coppro: To be fair, I killed my pony pet in the game I got to Sokoban. 18:55:34 /And/ possibly killed Felix; either that or let him die. 18:55:47 (I killed an anonymous housecat who left no corpse, but I'm not sure if it was Felix; he was a pushover.) 18:55:53 (And Felix was not a pushover that game.) 18:56:15 eating your pet gives you a horribly annoying intrinsic that is almost impossible to remove 18:56:22 or even any other cat 18:56:31 Sgeo: You know, calling me "he" in a random channel will just confuse people. :P 18:56:56 q - a kitten corpse named Felix. 18:57:20 What do you want to write in the dust here? RIP Felix (also Elbereth) 18:58:15 is it just me, or is elbereth the biggest deus ex machina ever found in a roguelike? 18:59:45 It can be compiled out 19:00:18 *gulp* 19:00:24 Can you tame floating eyes? 19:00:36 It would be far better to kill and eat it 19:00:45 With WHAT? 19:00:52 I have nothing to kill it with, apart from melee. 19:00:57 I /do/ have food rations to tame it with. 19:01:17 \ How dangerous is zapping an unknown wand at something that's not likely to kill you? 19:01:17 depends on if it's polymorph and the RNG hates you or not 19:05:37 WHY WILL THEY NOT ANSWER MY IMPORTANT FLOATING EYE TAMING QUESTIONS 19:05:47 -!- sshc_ has changed nick to sshc. 19:06:55 My guess would be: it doesn't eat, so you can't tame it. 19:07:10 Without magick, that is. 19:07:15 Right. 19:07:39 I am having a hard time visualizing a floating eye snacking on a food ration, anyway. 19:07:53 fizzie: :D 19:08:17 fizzie: Should I throw weapons and armor at it, zap my unIDed want, or do the much more fun thing of throwing food at it? 19:08:24 I've already thrown potions at it so it's a bit drugged up. 19:08:47 alise, you can engrave-ID your wand 19:08:52 YES BUT THAT IS BORING. 19:08:58 fizzie: Okay that is another option added to the poll of you. 19:09:32 I usually try to lure them into some place where you can throw an item at it, wait for it to step aside, pick it up, and repeat ad nauseam. But they're not very good at following, and move slowly, so that's *very* boring. 19:09:49 Yes, I am optimising for fun here, seeing as I am only on dlvl 3. 19:09:50 I usually be a wizard 19:09:50 NOW PICK 19:10:13 Weren't there some rocks on earlier levels? 19:10:28 GOD WHY ARE YOU ALL SO BORING 19:10:31 I'm going to throw food at it. 19:10:34 Well, if you want fun, throw a food item at it to see what happens; in the interests of scientif... 19:10:35 Right. 19:10:41 The food ration misses the floating eye. 19:10:46 How close do I have to be? 19:10:52 Is being right next to it safe as long as I don't attack? 19:11:02 Yes, you can stand right next to it. 19:11:04 It should be, I th... WAIT 19:11:13 I AM WAITING!!!! 19:11:21 fizzie, tell me if I'm wrong, but if you're blind, the floating eye can't paralize you 19:11:31 That should be true, yes. 19:11:39 'e had a blindfold? 19:11:44 I have two. 19:11:45 2 of them! 19:11:50 No way to identify BUC though 19:11:56 You know ... floating eyes don't scare me that much ... 19:12:01 I'm not guaranteeing anything, but I think it's a gazey sort of thing. 19:12:17 They don't scare you because you haven't been bitten to death by a grid bug. 19:12:22 The food rations are "missing" the eye, so there you go. 19:12:23 fizzie: XD 19:12:42 "The wand misses the floating eye." 19:12:52 It's a wand of STRIKING. 19:13:05 lol 19:13:07 Heh: if a floating eye itself is blind, it also can't paralyze you. 19:13:10 Sgeo: How do I blind my fold? 19:13:19 (a)pply it, I think 19:13:22 alise: P I think 19:13:26 But you may be blind for a while if it's ursed 19:13:41 Can I melee the floating eye now? 19:14:28 yes 19:14:36 fungot: What would you do to a floating eye? 19:14:37 fizzie: marilith: the gnats of the twentieth century. it is biscuitish, keeps good indefinitely, is a cat by talking gently to it. 19:14:41 Now how do I take it off?! 19:14:43 ^style 19:14:43 Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc jargon lovecraft nethack* pa speeches ss wp youtube 19:14:52 alise: R 19:14:59 ^style europarl 19:14:59 Selected style: europarl (European Parliament speeches during approx. 1996-2006) 19:15:07 Sgeo: Floating eye corpse; you must be so happy. 19:15:08 ^style nethack 19:15:09 Selected style: nethack (NetHack 3.4.3 data.base, rumors.tru, rumors.fal) 19:15:11 Yes, I am 19:15:12 fungot: isn't topicality good?! 19:15:12 alise: blindfold: the hitchhiker's guide to fantasyland, by terry pratchett) a constellation of the very solemn venerable i-hsiu to our base for a great snake was gone. the sword to be untainted! beware the jubjub bird, and held aloft the sacred icon. the other. teeth and claws fear what they saw; but with the king, orcrist: the hades. poseidon is associated in many ways with horses and thus is the property of fortune cookies, 19:15:13 bo 19:15:21 Sgeo: I feel a strange mental acuity. 19:15:22 alise, congratulations 19:15:34 "the hitchhiker's guide to fantasyland, by terry pratchett" 19:15:37 Put the blindfold back on... oh, and you may want to name that one 19:15:42 I'd read that. :p 19:15:42 Since you know it's not cursed 19:15:43 Why put it back on? 19:15:48 You'll see 19:16:04 noncursed, but whatever 19:16:04 did he eat the corpse? 19:16:07 Yes 19:16:14 I know, I can see monsters. 19:16:21 yeah, then you get telepathy 19:16:23 Ooh. 19:16:26 What about exploration? 19:16:32 It won't show you all monsters though 19:16:35 Just ones with minds 19:16:56 Now can I take it off? :P 19:17:16 Can you tame humanoids? 19:17:25 You aren't going to search that area? 19:17:26 You'll also be feeling around for the cockatrice corpses and other nice things, if you walk around blindfolded. 19:17:36 Sgeo: Yes, yes, as soon as I get a hobbit for a pet. 19:17:46 fizzie: "nice" 19:17:54 So, yeah, can I feed hobbits? >_> 19:18:10 Bilbo, bilbo, bilbo BAGGINS! 19:18:16 Greatest little hobbit of them all! 19:18:25 Shut up, Spock. 19:20:14 IIRC, you can only tame the domesticated animals (dogs, cats, horses) by throwing food. 19:20:28 yeah 19:21:44 That was smart, alise 19:21:52 Sgeo: They both missed me and I got darts. 19:21:55 Yes it was. 19:22:32 Wait 19:22:35 nm 19:22:50 Flags: poison resistance, acid resistance, sleep resistance, petrification resistance, nolimbs, acid, mindless, amorphous, breathless, nohead, noeyes, nohands, neuter, wander 19:22:50 That was a bad idea 19:22:53 Good enough for me! 19:22:58 Sgeo: Well ... it's not POISONOUS ... >_> 19:25:19 Sgeo: Where are THOSE guys from? 19:25:59 EXPLAIN THAT, SCIENCE 19:26:15 L?!?!?!? 19:26:20 Sgeo: ????? 19:26:23 fizzie, take a look at this 19:26:29 What do you mean? 19:26:38 THE The L is the corner of a square :P 19:26:43 s/THE // 19:26:45 Oh 19:26:57 >.> 19:26:59 Why? 19:27:02 Oh, I see, they're powerful. 19:27:16 And there isn't a white one. 19:27:20 >.> 19:27:21 Sgeo: where are those ueBBs? 19:27:33 Someplace you haven't found yet, apparently 19:27:44 Thanks. 19:28:14 I'd suggest searching the room with a fountain or the room east of that 19:28:36 Uh 19:28:49 Don't lie, it's an align penalty 19:28:59 And don't die please 19:29:01 Is attacking an align penalty? 19:29:11 Sgeo: Well, you have to admit I'm not exactly doing well this game >.> 19:29:13 It's a "you die" penalty, probably 19:29:20 Not if I pray! 19:29:45 ... >_> <_< 19:29:58 fizzie, get in here and convince alise to surrender 19:30:09 I WANT THE MONEY 19:30:21 Since when do you even USE the money? 19:30:31 SHUT UP 19:32:13 Sgeo: Don't say alise is considering it 19:32:17 Dammit 19:32:17 Sorry 19:32:35 XD 19:32:44 It's just that you're only asking about the really stupid stuff I consider >__> 19:33:55 Sgeo: How about I start another game which I actually take seriously? 19:34:19 Or you could live in this one 19:34:25 Psssht 19:35:10 You have safe blindfold and telepathy 19:35:57 snif 19:35:58 *sniff 19:36:07 There's gold in that diagonal, don't know if it's safe 19:36:17 It's ... inaccessible. 19:36:46 Hmm, maybe dig for it at some point 19:37:05 At least you know it's there 19:37:41 BTW, the corridor should disappear when you leav 19:38:02 I got bored of dlvl 4. 19:38:06 -!- ais523 has joined. 19:38:11 Hi ais523! 19:38:13 Hi ais523 19:38:16 I'm playing Nethack like a moron! 19:38:20 I killed Felix. 19:38:27 I managed to talk alise out of vault-guard-related suicide 19:38:29 Then I tried to tame a floating eye. 19:38:33 Fun fact: they can't eat. 19:38:42 Then I considered fighting a vault guard. 19:39:25 ais523 is silently facepalming 19:40:01 at least you didn't /actually/ fight the vault guard 19:40:09 ais523: it's all on termcast, if you want to have a laugh 19:40:16 NOT ANOTHER FLOATING EYE 19:40:20 (hint: if you can leave the vault anyway, claim to be called "Croesus" and they'll go away; if you can't, you need the guard to lead you out) 19:40:23 I know that. 19:40:25 I couldn't leave anyway. 19:40:31 Can you drop just the amount you stole? 19:40:34 yes 19:40:35 Or does it have to be all your cash? 19:40:39 well, everything 19:40:44 it's how they get all their money 19:40:48 XD 19:41:01 Can you get two guards to fight each other? That would be amazing. 19:41:17 I'm not sure how you get two guards at the same time; revgeno, maybe 19:41:26 but you could probably get them to fight each other via conflict 19:41:46 are you watching? 19:41:50 yes 19:41:50 Oracle time 19:41:56 Erm 19:42:01 Don't eat the fungus 19:42:03 although not with very high levels of concentration 19:42:13 Whoops. 19:42:14 watch out for that golem 19:42:14 ... 19:42:17 What now? 19:42:21 also, why are you meleeing floating eyes? 19:42:25 alise: there's a monster in the bottom-left corner 19:42:29 ais523: that was a mistake 19:42:31 ais523: that golem turned to flee 19:42:33 btw 19:42:35 after i hurt it 19:42:45 finish it before it heals up 19:43:16 Wjat just hap 19:43:17 Holy sh! 19:43:19 Sgeo: Mordor orc 19:43:21 Threw a knife 19:44:03 Good thing I have telepathy. 19:44:14 wat @ that 19:44:19 It's cursed 19:44:33 7 ya? 19:44:47 a sort of arrow 19:44:48 Japanese arrow 19:45:01 Had to wiki that 19:45:46 Don't go team a! 19:45:58 Well, that was easy. 19:46:05 HP CHeck 19:46:13 55; so? 19:46:21 Weren't you just at 70? 19:46:30 alise: is the hpmon patch in your version? 19:46:33 Oooh, whistle. Good for pets 19:46:41 Equip these combat boots? 19:46:44 it's buggy (not in a bad way, just display glitches) but useful 19:46:47 check the options screen 19:46:54 ais523: statuscolours is a non-buggy, expanded hpmon ftr 19:46:55 and no 19:46:57 archlinux never patches packages 19:46:59 unless to fix breakage 19:47:06 there are a few pre-patched versions in the repos 19:47:11 but they have a bunch of useless crap too 19:47:34 isn't it Arch that installed NetHack suid root despite common sense? 19:47:41 i don't think so 19:47:44 or was that Gentoo? 19:47:47 probably 19:47:52 arch packages are very vanilla 19:47:55 basically just configure, make, install 19:48:03 gentoo like fucking things up with their useflags. 19:49:28 Sgeo: ANOTHER floating eye corpse! 19:49:35 Yes, I saw 19:49:52 Are you ECSTATIC? 19:50:01 You already have telepathy 19:50:05 Get a tengu 19:50:08 (or not) 19:50:16 Double-telepathy. 19:50:22 CANNIBAL YAY 19:50:27 Is now a good time to pray. 19:50:30 tainted 19:50:32 pray! 19:50:33 Well, pray or die 19:50:45 ... 19:50:48 Well, I /did/ kill Felix. 19:50:49 Check inventory 19:50:56 you die in around 30 turns 19:51:01 Sgeo: what isn't he happy with? 19:51:02 oh, I see 19:51:03 drink the unIDed potions, they're your best chance 19:51:05 I need something in my inventory 19:51:07 -!- ais523 has changed nick to ais523_. 19:51:08 ais523: all of them?! 19:51:11 oh, only two 19:51:16 ha 19:51:19 wow, first try as well 19:51:21 thanks, mysterious t potion 19:51:27 must have been full healing 19:51:35 Or extra? 19:51:36 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 19:51:41 "completely healed" 19:51:43 Ah 19:51:46 ais523_: If only I actually needed it, rather than got myself into a stupid situation. 19:51:51 besides, I doubt extra is powerful enough 19:52:18 I have a wand of striking; are those any good? 19:52:30 they're force bolt in wand form 19:52:31 -!- ais523_ has changed nick to ais523. 19:52:44 not much good for combat, but they destroy a bunch of inanimate objects 19:52:46 like doors and boulders 19:52:51 And statues 19:53:20 Exercise! 19:53:35 *GCK!* 19:53:47 Non-cursed extra healing does cure sickness: case POT_EXTRA_HEALING: .. healup(.. /* arg 3: */ !otmp->cursed ..); 3 is curesick. 19:53:59 ais523: incidentally, i completely wiped out a throne room before 19:54:03 ais523: with like exp 3 19:54:04 and a dog 19:54:06 maybe last game 19:54:14 took ages, but it was fun 19:54:18 the throne disappeared on the first go :P 19:54:35 now, raiding /this/ room without the ability to pray or a pet... wish me luck 19:54:38 potion.c:323, immediately above dodrink(): /* "Quaffing is like drinking, except you spill more." -- Terry Pratchett */ 19:55:12 Note rapidly-lowering HP 19:55:44 I wouldn't be concerned until it went down to 60 or so 19:55:54 at which point, you have to wonder why it went that low, and how quickly 19:56:05 Aiee! 19:56:09 haha 19:56:12 0-turn stun 19:56:39 -!- zzo38 has joined. 19:56:46 That's one batty level. 19:56:46 This is level with Sokoban entrance 19:56:53 Meep. 19:57:09 Phew. 19:57:11 She stole the unIDed one. 19:57:35 Ooooh shit 19:57:37 Do you like this D&D spell? http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/dnd/options/Good_Insane_Spell.s 19:57:46 I forgot whether you eat blue jellies 19:57:49 ooh, cold res 19:57:54 ais523: i'm a valkyrie 19:57:55 oh, valk 19:57:58 ais523: but i'm also stunned! 19:58:11 well, at least you're in a corridor 19:58:33 being stunned means any direction key you press counts as a random direction 19:58:39 ais523: Wrong corridor, sorry 19:58:48 so it helps to be in a corridor or somewhere like that to increase the chance of getting what you want 19:58:57 ais523: it's weighted, isn't it? 19:58:58 although, that rock mole seems to have dug the corridor much wider 19:59:04 and not AFAIK for sun 19:59:06 *stun 19:59:13 it's confusion where it's weighted to the direction you pressed 19:59:41 oh, right 20:00:00 hmm 20:00:05 i don't need scimitar, lance, 7 ya 20:00:06 Oh, at some point, engrave with the gems 20:00:38 What spell level should the spell that I wrote be belonged to? 20:00:49 L-E-V-E-L 20:01:02 ais523: axe, spear, lance 20:01:04 ais523: which sucks the most? 20:01:15 the axe has pretty much no legit use 20:01:21 the spear is only useful when thrown 20:01:23 (The word "level" is even a palindrome, if that cares at all........?) 20:01:27 ais523: lance? 20:01:30 and the lance is a polearm 20:01:36 you can (a)pply it to hit something at range 2 20:01:45 ais523: basically i need to drop shit 20:01:49 combat boots any good? 20:01:51 Does that count as melee against floating eyes? 20:01:52 drop it anyway, it's rather heavy 20:01:58 and combat boots are randomized-appearance 20:01:58 uncursed +3 small shield, +0 chain mail, +0 orcish helm, combat boots 20:02:00 * alise drops combat boots 20:02:05 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 20:02:06 they could be excellent, but also could be cursed fumbling or whatever 20:02:06 still too much 20:02:14 do i need the orcish helm? 20:02:14 ideally, you should BCU them, then wear them if not cursed 20:02:18 and no, you don't 20:02:20 it's only 1 AC anyway 20:02:44 Could you imagine if a seach revealed a non-diagonal route? 20:02:45 besides, don't really worry about being able to move diagonally 20:02:48 oh, helm = helmet 20:02:49 i just realised 20:02:49 Or that there was another way there? 20:02:50 >_> 20:02:59 you need to be at half your carry cap to do it 20:03:09 meh, fine 20:03:10 * Sgeo learns something new 20:03:39 alise: you seem to stockpile more weapons than everyone else... 20:03:46 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Quit: Leaving). 20:03:58 ais523: because I end up in sticky situations with a lot of monsters more than anyone else 20:04:57 -!- MigoMipo has quit (Client Quit). 20:04:59 and extra weapons, other than ammo, help how in that situation? 20:05:10 more shit to throw 20:05:17 Do you like any of these spells? http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/dnd/options/Good_Insane_Spell.s http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/dnd/options/Patamagician.c http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/dnd/options/Minimize_Spell.f http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/dnd/options/Self_Sacrifice.s 20:05:19 hmm, I suppose 20:05:31 ais523: i've got to points where i just start disrobing and chucking armour 20:05:34 most people would collect, say, 12 daggers and multithrow them, then throw scimitars and arrows and axes one at a time 20:05:34 it isn't terribly effective. 20:05:38 and no, it isn't 20:05:39 multithrow? 20:05:42 do you just mean throw a lot? 20:05:50 if you have a stack of many dagers 20:05:54 then you can throw more than one in a turn 20:05:56 dargers 20:05:59 ok, sokoban time 20:06:00 especially with practice 20:06:04 wait, this isn't the level i faced before 20:06:04 *daggers 20:06:08 is this the harder variant? 20:06:12 and no, two variants for each sokoban 20:06:20 that one probably is slightly harder, but still easy 20:06:27 Easy if you're good at Sokoban. 20:06:28 This looks easier to me, actually 20:06:38 nah, the bottom-right area's a bit harder 20:06:46 I'm not actually sure which move to make first :-) 20:06:50 alise: move the boulder to your right one square right, then all the way to the left 20:07:06 Ooh, wand 20:07:14 do slime molds preserve? 20:07:18 yes 20:07:20 They should, I think 20:07:27 they're a customisable-name item, "slime mold" is just the default 20:07:33 stop 20:07:35 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 20:07:39 leave those three until you've done everything else 20:07:40 ais523: just looking for food 20:07:43 ah, ok 20:07:48 ais523: Can they ever do it in Nethack that the Sokoban levels will sometimes be mirrored or flipped? Or only two variants? 20:07:51 anyway, "fruit" is the general name 20:07:59 slime mold is quite nice though 20:08:04 zzo38: some forks like UnNetHack will mirror or rotate Sokoban levels 20:08:09 but unpatched NetHack doesn't 20:08:16 is unnethack any good? 20:08:27 I dislike many of its gameplay changes, but the interface is much better 20:08:29 And what happens if you change the "slime mold" name to the same name as another kind of item? 20:08:30 it's rather harder than vanilla 20:08:46 zzo38: nothing special if it's not food; if it is, the name of the fruit is changed so you can tell the two apart 20:08:53 to what? 20:09:02 "candied cockatrice corpse", or whatever 20:09:18 ". You die..." --suggestion for slime mold name 20:09:29 it's been done 20:09:38 yes, it's from a page of them 20:09:55 correct, btw 20:10:02 move the lone one at the bottom 20:10:23 kill the goblin 20:10:27 or it'll be trapped behind the boulder 20:10:30 oh, too late now 20:10:31 i don't know where it is 20:10:36 just move the boulder, and throw stuff at it if you get stuck 20:10:45 READ ME = earth, btw 20:11:01 you probably want to name it now 20:11:33 What I think is Nethack needs is make the program treat player characters and non player characters all as the same. Also, no restriction race/class combination. And, also, in the class selection a "none" option, and in the race selection "enter any one" option, and a "Bishop's Curse" scroll you can move only diagonally, and a Forth interpreter built-in, and more ideas..... 20:11:43 ais523: if i get the difficult level 2 variant again i'm just going to kill myself in a comical way, okay? :P 20:11:59 zzo38: Everything's Forth with you, isn't it? 20:12:11 ugh 20:12:13 still doable 20:12:15 move the left one up 20:12:33 now just put that one into the pits 20:12:48 ais523: sorry; I am pretty much a thinko machine 20:12:50 rule of Sokoban you seem to be missing: if you /can/ move a boulder to the pits safely without disturbing any of the others, do so 20:12:54 hey, can i crawl out of that pit onto the _> 20:12:54 thinko? 20:12:59 ais523: no, i didn't miss that 20:13:01 alise: yep, but it only works on the bottom level 20:13:03 i just didn't realise i could move thato ne in >_> 20:13:04 Sgeo: like a typo 20:13:11 ais523: any penalties? 20:13:24 not for that 20:13:30 apart from damage for falling into a pit 20:13:37 it doesn't work on the other levels, though 20:13:38 yay the easy variant! (I presume) 20:13:40 yep 20:13:44 at least, compared to the other one 20:14:02 alise: Not everything is Forth with me all the time, I just think it should be added, and then various things can be rewritten in Forth, but not all features 20:14:03 I'll walk you through the solution if you like 20:14:11 ais523: lemme guess: push this one until i can move around it 20:14:15 then go and knock the first ones in 20:14:16 move the boulder to your left to make the top-left line of 2 into a line of 3 20:14:24 so, left 4 spaces, then up 1 20:14:26 Forth : zzo38 :: Smalltalk : Sgeo 20:14:34 sec 20:14:37 burdened 20:14:47 Sgeo: OK 20:14:47 sokoban 1 is a great place to stash your stuff, btw 20:14:54 easy to access, and relatively empty of monsters 20:15:00 and you can put your stuff under a boulder if you like 20:15:04 ais523: I'll drop combat boots, but what weapons are the crappest? 20:15:15 want to lighten my load a little 20:15:26 the ya as you don't have a launcher, the knife because it does pitiful damage, the axe because it's rubbish 20:15:35 also, the scimitar is heavy compared to its minimal use for throwing 20:15:41 and the lance is more useful but also heavy 20:15:49 use capital D to multidrop 20:15:53 ok 20:15:54 thanks 20:16:04 go down here, yeah? 20:16:07 move the boulder immediately below you up 20:16:14 Which? 20:16:21 the one 1 square below you 20:16:22 The one just below me? 20:16:24 yep 20:16:27 SHIT 20:16:28 that's not up 20:16:30 pressed the key by mistake 20:16:33 i was about to move around 20:16:36 BRB 20:16:38 I blame my keyboard, for once. 20:16:41 OK, none of those 4 move now without cheating 20:16:44 ais523: solvable? 20:16:44 you'll probably have to break one 20:16:50 is breaking one cheating :P 20:16:52 *cheating? 20:16:54 yes, but it's only -1 luck 20:16:57 ok 20:17:00 you should break the bottom-left one 20:17:00 just break it downwards? 20:17:03 with a wand of striking 20:17:07 diagonally 20:17:08 this one? 20:17:10 (one above) 20:17:16 not that diagonal1 20:17:23 you want to only break one boulder 20:17:26 so break it from there 20:17:27 this diagonal? 20:17:29 yep 20:17:35 (striking doesn't bounce, btw) 20:17:43 OK, move the leftmose boulder up 20:17:44 ok, now I'm at a loss 20:17:45 *leftmost 20:17:51 again? 20:17:52 further 20:17:56 as far as it goes 20:18:06 then move the centre boulder of those 5 right 20:18:06 here? 20:18:08 yep 20:18:12 again, as far as it goes 20:18:19 right? 20:18:21 yep 20:18:34 the boulder in column 4 moves 20:18:37 without disturbing the others 20:18:46 yep, just noticed 20:18:54 then you can do the two in column 5, then the two in column 3 20:19:16 leave the two in column 1 for now 20:19:31 now, you push the boulders from the room before 20:19:33 yep 20:19:45 this is remarkably easier 20:19:45 OK, luck hit gone 20:19:51 really? that was quick 20:19:56 turn 4800 is a turn that restores luck 20:19:57 are there any more things i can show on my status bar, btw? 20:19:57 Did you write any comment of the D&D spell, yet? 20:20:01 it's any turn divisible by 600 20:20:10 alise: showexp is the only thing you could turn on 20:20:11 zzo38: nope, ais523 is busy walking me through nethack sokoban :P 20:20:17 ais523: ah, that sounds quite useful actually 20:20:18 it shows how close you are to the next level 20:20:19 ais523: is it? 20:20:22 not massively 20:20:37 and it's lead to some fun instadeaths due to high level players not noticing they were deathly sick 20:20:43 due to showexp pushing it off the end of their status bar 20:20:44 heh 20:20:55 move the lower one in your current room left 20:20:56 ButterMuffin (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 29568 points, killed by an invisible stalker 20:20:58 then down one space 20:21:01 from the INTERNET! 20:21:24 now, those two in the right room 20:21:29 push them into the left room, then back 20:21:33 one at a time 20:21:42 clever 20:21:59 that lone boulder on the third row in the top-left room 20:22:00 ais523: I can't believe this is only turn 4978 20:22:04 push it into the top-right room 20:22:08 btw, couldn't i crawl out of the rightmost bit to go to the door? XD 20:22:10 at one point 20:22:32 I don't know what you mean 20:22:34 HOLY SHIT 20:22:37 bear in mind that Sokoban traps can't be escaped 20:22:39 move back one square 20:22:46 so you can fight them one at a time 20:22:55 Conga Line of Death 20:23:02 poisoned, not fatal 20:23:11 Deewiant: don't tell me you're watching too :D 20:23:13 with an angry god, it's probably not worth trying to eat them 20:23:19 Wow. 20:23:21 ooh, lucky first time 20:23:26 str dropped to 16, but you have poison res now 20:23:26 The killer bee corpse healed the killer bee corpse. 20:23:39 Whoops. 20:23:42 although anything can blecch 20:23:42 Oh well. 20:23:43 I have telepathy. 20:23:45 that wasn't your fault, just random chance 20:23:47 alise: I am now 20:23:57 move the one NE of you to the pits 20:24:09 how? 20:24:09 down two, left one, ... 20:24:11 Then the one E of you 20:24:15 not that one 20:24:21 yep, that's right 20:24:33 the one blocking the entrance to the northeast room moves next 20:24:36 push it right hten back left 20:24:45 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:24:51 and you still have five left over, even though you broke one 20:25:02 don't eat the bat, btw 20:25:08 Or the zombies 20:25:11 nor the elf zombies 20:25:22 -!- augur has joined. 20:25:35 eat the naga hatchling 20:25:44 stop 20:25:48 Whoops. 20:25:49 * alise eats 20:25:53 no don't 20:25:55 you're in combat 20:25:59 typical 20:26:00 Yes, but I'm going to tame it. 20:26:03 ah, ok 20:26:14 He has 70+ hp and it's a kitten :-P 20:26:19 kittens are dangerous 20:26:22 Something wrong with kittens? 20:26:24 Not that dangerous 20:26:30 well, OK 20:26:31 :P 20:26:35 I don't see why you aren't just going upstairs 20:26:39 STOP PLAYING WITH THE GIANT BAT CORPSE 20:26:40 ais523: resting for HP 20:26:41 Regening HP? 20:26:46 yep, but you're only down 10 20:26:51 yes, but 20:26:51 can't hurt 20:26:51 He was down 30 20:26:54 I'm not going for low turns 20:26:54 and it'll heal as you solve the next puzzle 20:27:11 Well done 20:27:12 I was going to say, kick the ring so you could pick it up later 20:27:12 I ... 20:27:29 What character class is that? 20:27:32 typical way to rescue non-fragile items from Sokoban holes 20:27:33 Valkyrie 20:27:34 and valk 20:27:41 Oh god DAMN it. 20:27:52 Wuss 20:27:57 Indeed 20:27:57 Elbereth won't help against the wand 20:28:06 * Sgeo is back 20:28:12 heh, they killed each other 20:28:17 firslty 20:28:18 this level is easy to mess up earlyt 20:28:19 what happened? 20:28:19 *firstly 20:28:23 so I'll walk you through the first few moves 20:28:25 did i just get rid of my kitten again? 20:28:28 coppro: i got onto sokoban 20:28:30 coppro: hilarity ensued 20:28:31 she's around here somewhere, I expect 20:28:37 ais523: 42 hp 20:28:41 you don't think i oughta rest? 20:28:42 push the boulder to your left left, then back right 20:28:45 you heal while moving 20:28:52 and monsters spawn just as fast 20:28:57 What exciting adventures did death did I miss? 20:29:05 careful not to let the kitten get trapped behind a boulder 20:29:08 Sgeo: No death so far! 20:29:09 ais523: indeed 20:29:10 kick the food 20:29:13 so you can pick it up later 20:29:13 ais523: I've already killed Felix this game 20:29:26 now, this is the subtle bit 20:29:34 grr, you screwed it up 20:29:35 Which I just fucked up. 20:29:36 ..not doing that 20:29:41 I thought I saw a clear path X_X 20:29:41 still solvable 20:29:48 I'm sorry for being useless :D 20:29:51 move to the top-right of this area without pushing any boulders 20:30:04 then push that boulder down 3 20:30:13 then the boulder to your SW down 3 20:30:25 down... 20:30:25 how? there's one in the way 20:30:30 move above it 20:30:36 stop 20:30:37 DAMMIT FELIX 20:30:39 Well. 20:30:39 you need to get your cat out of there 20:30:40 Non-Felix 20:30:42 wait a few turns 20:30:45 Then take the boulder to your W 20:30:46 ... 20:30:47 RIP non-Felix 20:30:47 better 20:30:48 he teleported 20:30:50 HOW 20:30:54 no, he's just faster than you 20:30:54 oh jesus 20:30:56 Fail 20:30:57 ....?????????????/ 20:31:00 i was trying to move around it 20:31:02 We need to add more class in NetHack: No-Class, Computer-Programmer, Alchemist, Pacifist, Evangelist, Slaves, Casino-Owner, Ninja, Serial-Killer, The-Boss, ...etc... 20:31:08 moved two squares a turn 20:31:08 THIS IS WHY I DON'T LIKE SOKOBAN 20:31:13 anyway, just shatter that boulder 20:31:18 if you want to solve the level 20:31:20 what, zap it? 20:31:23 with striking 20:31:27 Have to anyway, he blocked the down stairs 20:31:34 Wow, alise is unlucky 20:31:37 nah, you could bail out by jumping through the holes 20:31:40 Sgeo: *shitty 20:31:46 Right, fair enough 20:31:47 And unlucky 20:31:53 boulder to your left, push it 1 left then lots right 20:31:53 But assuming he wants to exit after solving 20:32:00 not now, the kitten's left 20:32:11 Then the boulder N of that 1 down and right 20:32:12 Do you know of anyone implemented these kind of classes I described, in NetHack or any other kind of roguelike games? 20:32:23 zzo38: there are programmers in ZAPM, I think 20:32:51 and Pacifist is a /conduct/ in NetHack 20:32:51 ais523: now this one down, right? 20:32:56 then go around and push it right 20:32:59 that'll work 20:33:01 For example, yes 20:33:20 They need to add a select for having no class? 20:33:40 zzo38: what would you do for starting equipment? 20:33:43 and stats, etc? 20:33:49 in NetHack, those are all determined by class 20:33:51 No stuff, all stats 3 20:33:56 ais523: Select average stats and no equipment 20:33:57 skill caps? 20:34:03 No skills 20:34:09 yep, to start with 20:34:14 skill caps? 20:34:16 No, at all 20:34:17 ais523: the most topright one, push down? 20:34:18 Zero cap 20:34:24 alise: topleft 20:34:26 right 20:34:47 ais523: topleft one left, down? 20:34:50 then the one to the right of the one you just moved, push it left and down 20:35:12 How many more agonising levels of this are left? 20:35:14 Just out of curiosityl 20:35:16 2 20:35:16 *curiosity. 20:35:16 just one after this 20:35:24 the next boulder's a bit tricky, though 20:35:24 * Sgeo blinks 20:35:24 STOP BEING INCONSISTENT :p 20:35:30 What they need, is, all player characters and non-player-characters all are treated in same way and are represented using the same structures in the program, except that the player character is a special variable and the "control" field is set to "CHCTRL_MANUAL_PRIMARY" 20:35:33 alise: I think sgeo was counting this one 20:35:40 move down 2 20:35:44 then push left 1 20:35:50 Did alise go up a level since I last checked? 20:35:51 then push the leftmost boulder up 1 20:35:54 Um, he did, ah 20:35:56 Sgeo: this is the third 20:36:00 Ok 20:36:14 then the bottom boulder left 2 20:36:20 (try not to let Felix II get trapped) 20:36:26 now, the boulder above you down 20:36:31 wait, no 20:36:32 Do you think this idea, including "control" field, is workable in any roguelikes? 20:36:34 Wait 20:36:35 you were right 20:36:41 leftmost up, then middle down 20:37:02 zzo38: it might screw up game balance 20:37:04 yay i get to have two cats 20:37:08 isn't that great? 20:37:17 There may be more monsters in that room 20:37:25 the leftmost moves left, up, left, left, then to the pits 20:37:36 ais523: btw, Felix died of starvation before! 20:37:39 he yelped and then just sort of died 20:37:41 You can have different constants for character controlling, such as: CHCTRL_MANUAL, CHCTRL_MANUAL_PRIMARY, CHCTRL_NOOP, CHCTRL_HOSTILE, CHCTRL_NEUTRAL, etc 20:37:42 (a few games ago) 20:37:48 if your pet starts complaining, chuck food at it 20:37:59 All I knew is that yelping is bad 20:38:02 I didn't know what to do 20:38:08 I have FAILED FELIX! 20:38:15 ais523: ^ wat 20:38:21 ais523: It won't mess up game balance if the rest of the game is designed around it to be not mess up game balance..... 20:38:24 alise: you know there was a creature there once, but not what 20:38:30 the I marks the place 20:38:40 Dammit, Felix! 20:38:42 generally, they aren't still there by the time you get there 20:38:43 Sorry. 20:38:45 alise: let felix kill it? 20:38:47 Dammit, Felix 2: Electric Boogaloo! 20:38:53 or do you really want to keep the wizard alive for some reason? 20:38:59 No, I just didn't want a fight :P 20:38:59 ymore 20:38:59 15:27 < Zepp> lol 20:38:59 15:27 < b4taylor> Paperclip? 20:38:59 15:28 < b4taylor> lol 20:39:04 you can still displace it out the way 20:39:05 lol 20:39:20 and you can move diagonally between monsters 20:39:24 or between a monster and boulder 20:39:24 even in sokoban 20:39:28 Wait what? 20:39:28 ouch nymph? 20:39:32 Yay nymphs 20:39:32 NYMPH! 20:39:36 can I kill it with the boulder 20:39:37 they steal items 20:39:38 pretty please 20:39:41 CHCTRL_SPECIAL, CHCTRL_VERY_HOSTILE, CHCTRL_RANDOM, CHCTRL_COMPANION, and so on.... 20:39:42 and probably not, unless it's in a pit 20:39:43 >_> 20:39:50 ais523: lance? 20:39:52 Kill it from a distance if you can 20:39:56 could work 20:40:05 switch back to sowrd now 20:40:07 Oh right, sokoban is non-teleport 20:40:08 wait, no 20:40:11 Not a problem then 20:40:12 lances don't work well at range 1 20:40:24 nymphs cna't run easily in sokoban, though 20:40:30 just lance that I 20:40:31 Now the nymph is blocking your boulder 20:40:32 it's probably the numph 20:40:36 *nymph 20:40:38 Oh, you can lance through a boulder? 20:40:41 You won't hit anything if you can't see that spot. 20:40:42 ugh, doesn't fit over the boulder 20:40:46 Didn't think so :-P 20:40:50 you could throw stuff, but it'd hit the cat 20:40:53 (the untame one) 20:40:56 that's okay 20:40:59 No, The DevTeam didn't think of everything? 20:41:02 as long as it frees this up? 20:41:03 well, given that she can't fight back 20:41:08 this is a free kill 20:41:10 ais523: am i meant to feel pitiful? 20:41:18 *pitying 20:41:20 not really 20:41:22 everyone hates nymphs 20:41:24 If you blind yourself so that you can telepathy-see it, you might be able to lance it 20:41:26 use the darts 20:41:28 Deewiant: Ha! 20:41:38 Nope. 20:41:39 ... 20:41:40 Deewiant: I think it's based on LOS, not line of telepathy 20:41:44 Good 20:41:49 I was hoping that wouldn't work :-P 20:42:04 alise, quiver 20:42:12 quiver isn't necessary, it's just a timesaver 20:42:16 as in, RL time, not gametime 20:42:16 quiver? 20:42:25 use Q in order to set an item as your default to throw 20:42:32 then you can throw it with f without selecting the item each time 20:42:33 You feel like an evil coward for using a poisoned weapon.--More-- 20:42:41 meh, the penalty's meaningless 20:42:41 The poison was deadly... 20:42:47 and it did instakill the nymph 20:42:55 Ooh, looking glass! 20:42:57 Ooh, mirror 20:43:01 the potion is /probably/ object detection, btw 20:43:02 Sgeo: LOOKING GLASS DAMMIT 20:43:03 but that isn't guaranteed 20:43:10 would you have called Alice's second book 20:43:11 alise: Identify it and it's a mirror, IIRC 20:43:12 Through the Mirror? 20:43:13 NO 20:43:29 push the top boulder down 20:43:30 ais523: down, left 20:43:31 up 20:43:32 then left 20:43:32 etc? 20:43:33 yep 20:43:34 yep 20:43:38 -!- Gregor-P has joined. 20:44:24 the boulder in the centre 20:44:25 An idea that can work in nearly any computer game with experience points, is this: After you reach maximum experience level, the experience points start working backwards instead. And then once it is back at minimum, it no longer changes during the rest of the game. This way you try not to waste too much time and stuff to complete the game 20:44:26 ais523: now it's the 00 bit, isn't it? 20:44:28 oh, no? 20:44:28 move it right two, then left 3 20:44:33 then up 2 20:44:41 then along the same path as the previous boulder 20:44:45 you have to run round at this point 20:44:54 wield a sword 20:45:04 edible? 20:45:08 yes but does damage 20:45:10 normally you don't care 20:45:12 Is this idea about experience level, sensible for you? 20:45:20 zzo38: yes 20:45:23 zzo38: In terms of being a simile for life though, that's weird. 20:45:27 zzo38: no, due to the ease of reducing your own XP 20:45:47 I like Wesnoth's XP system; after you reach max level, you get fully healed whenever you would level up 20:45:53 and also get a meaningless boost to max HP 20:45:59 "meaningless"? 20:46:08 like, from 60 to 64 20:46:14 ais523: why is Felix 2: Electric Boogaloo a bloodthirsty murderer? 20:46:18 because pets are like that 20:46:32 ais523: is two cats in sokoban insanity or AWESOME? 20:46:33 ais523: No, I don't like that.... I think for a computer game, my idea of experience points workable way!! 20:46:33 it's up to you whether to gain felix 3, or just kill that cat 20:46:35 alise: both 20:46:36 Because he's preparing to turn on you when you next try to kill him 20:46:42 ais523: i can always tame it and then let it die :D 20:47:07 * alise checks to see if Breakin' had a second sequel 20:47:13 darn 20:47:21 "Electric Boogaloo" - Ollie & Jerry 20:47:21 "Radiotron" - Firefox 20:47:23 let's go with Radiotron 20:47:41 uh-oh, wererat 20:47:42 dammit 20:47:45 let your pets kill it 20:47:50 that's what they're for 20:48:00 (to watch the action) 20:48:08 RIP Felix 2 20:48:11 wait, what killed felix 2? 20:48:16 Stupid enough to attack a gnomish wizard 20:48:16 something that doesn't show up on telepathy 20:48:20 ais523: hmm 20:48:23 who knows? 20:48:24 kill that rat yourself 20:48:34 wow @ those orcs 20:48:41 Gregor-P: Yes it is weird but it is a computer game 20:48:45 they're just popcorn 20:48:51 it's the wererat that's dangerous 20:48:53 Aren't you glad you didn't kill Felix 3 yet? 20:48:57 ais523: it's following me 20:49:00 take off the blindfold 20:49:07 why? 20:49:14 because there might be something hostile and mindless 20:49:22 you don't want to be cornered by a golem or whatever 20:49:27 just run from this wererat, right? 20:49:29 yep 20:49:33 or attack with lance if i must? 20:49:34 and run upstairs before it catches you 20:49:41 and sword's likely better 20:49:45 as the lance doesn't work at range 1 20:49:55 Ooh, smoky potion 20:50:01 ooh, amulet of reflection level 20:50:07 ... 20:50:09 this one is a pain, especially as two of the boulders are fake 20:50:10 see, i am not pleased here 20:50:12 you might me :P 20:50:23 (although you can see them via telepathy) 20:50:23 won't telepathy reveal the fake boulders? 20:50:25 fake? 20:50:30 Sgeo: mimics pretending to be boulders 20:50:30 Ooh, m? 20:50:31 mimics 20:50:39 ok, now we know where the fakes are, this is a bit easier 20:50:46 keep blindfold for now? 20:50:51 also: omg @ those monsters 20:50:52 I'd normally go without 20:50:56 what have i gotten myself into 20:50:59 and welcome to the boss at the end of Sokoban 20:50:59 -!- jcp has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 20:51:00 ais523: memorised the positoins? :P 20:51:04 alise: yep 20:51:08 BOSS? that's not a boss, that's a ... I don't know what that is 20:51:12 it's a zoo 20:51:13 ais523: well, I'll tame those two cats and dogs 20:51:15 to help me fight it 20:51:18 good idea? 20:51:22 yep, once you get there 20:51:26 first you have to solve the puzzle 20:51:29 anyway, first boulder goes right 20:51:31 yes, that is the difficult bit 20:51:42 kill the first fake boulder 20:51:48 it's the left of that pair to your left 20:52:02 Don;t eat 20:52:04 you can eat the corpse for a funny message 20:52:07 it doesn't do anything bad 20:52:09 Unless you want to be miney for a while 20:52:18 ais523: I love the "mimicking a dwarf again" bit 20:52:19 ok, go back to the original boulder 20:52:19 Wait, it doesn't take turns? 20:52:25 like, i start actually believing that i'm a mime. 20:52:26 Sgeo: not turns on which anything bad happens 20:52:28 mimicking a dwarf 20:52:40 if monsters turn up, you ambush them 20:52:41 push one right or one left? 20:52:44 right 20:52:47 two squares 20:52:51 push one right or one left? 20:52:52 which 20:52:53 ais523, ah, awesome 20:52:56 er 20:52:56 the one to your right 20:52:56 can onl be right 20:52:59 *only 20:52:59 push it right two squares 20:53:02 then up four squares 20:53:14 is this one meant to be near-impossible? 20:53:17 O, a lot of people can tame a dog and cat, tame somethings else. Tame a spider, or tame yourself, or the big monster with a lot of invisibility and so much poison that you are instantly dead if you touched it 20:53:18 then move the one to the right of the one you just pushed up one square 20:53:28 alise: well, I did it first time with only two mistakes, unspoilt 20:53:35 ais523: right, but you're good at sokoban 20:53:36 i'm awful 20:53:40 alise: the one to the right of the one you just moved, up two 20:53:49 zzo38: taming cats & dogs only takes a ration, though 20:53:56 although i'm out of tripe 20:54:04 oh come ON 20:54:07 zzo38: it can only go up one 20:54:07 One person supposedly tamed Pestilence 20:54:09 *ais523: 20:54:11 Sgeo: more than one 20:54:12 Sgeo: yes, and ascended with it 20:54:19 alise: you'll have to typo less often 20:54:21 ais523: oh to the right. 20:54:25 smash the boulder you just moved 20:54:31 whilst not smashing any of the others 20:54:35 so on a diagonal 20:54:38 ugh, you smashed two 20:54:40 * alise facepalm 20:54:44 I am a disgrace to humanity 20:54:45 kill the fake boulder, anyway 20:54:49 it's the one in the topleft corner 20:54:54 alise: Yes, of course, they are easy, ify ou can find ration, that is why you have to try for the other ways. Tame yourself instead, perhaps? 20:55:09 anyway, the boulder next to the centre room 20:55:12 push it left two spaces 20:55:21 -!- jcp has joined. 20:55:21 pick up the wand 20:55:24 how 20:55:29 (left /two/ spaces, that was one) 20:55:29 don't you mean THREE spaces 20:55:31 MR AIS523 20:55:32 err, yes, three 20:55:35 I can't count 20:55:40 and I can't type 20:55:45 then push the boulder to your left two spaces 20:55:48 we both have skills and flaws here! 20:55:48 (and it is two, this time) 20:56:00 push the boulder above you up one 20:56:02 Well, ya can't push it 3 anyway 20:56:03 not that one 20:56:04 that one 20:56:10 then the boulder over the left up one 20:56:13 wait, no 20:56:20 push the boulder below you down one first 20:56:28 below here 20:56:29 ? 20:56:31 yep, that one 20:56:36 now move the top-left up one 20:56:37 There's an easy to move boulder 20:56:41 then back down one 20:56:50 this one's obvious, at least 20:56:58 now move the rightmost of the ones you can move down one 20:56:58 i'm going to lose felix 3, aren't I? 20:57:05 ? 20:57:07 alise: as long as it's on the same level, it won't untame 20:57:09 this one 20:57:12 that one, down one 20:57:23 heh, zoo noise 20:57:26 move the top-left one up, right, rigtht 20:57:29 then to the exit 20:57:46 the next one is obvious 20:57:54 I dislike both of the level 4 sokobans 20:57:57 move the one blocking the centre room up one 20:58:02 I dislike [...] sokobans. 20:58:08 coppro: I like the solution to the BoH sokoban that doesn't block any boulders 20:58:13 alise: go back to the start 20:58:16 -!- myndzi\ has joined. 20:58:16 without moving boulers 20:58:18 *boulders 20:58:19 is bag of holding or this better? 20:58:30 this is better for survivability 20:58:30 as far as the prize 20:58:35 alise: the middle of the group of three, move it up 20:58:37 what does bag of holding do? 20:58:42 increases carry cap 20:58:44 it allows you to carry more stuff 20:58:45 Things stored in it weigh less 20:58:46 boring 20:58:49 heh 20:58:49 amulet of reflection protects you from most wands 20:58:51 three interpretations of it 20:59:03 ais523: up more? 20:59:04 amulet of reflection is better if you don't have magic resistance I'd say 20:59:06 all the way 20:59:17 coppro: it's better if you do have MR, too 20:59:18 Don't store unID'd wands 20:59:20 ais523: that middle one 20:59:22 because then you have reflection and MR 20:59:22 in the vertical three 20:59:23 right 20:59:25 then up all the way? 20:59:26 alise: yep, that works 20:59:30 Unless cancel is IDed 20:59:45 And don't store BoHs in BoHs 20:59:50 why? 20:59:52 ais423: Sure, but there is some overlap there 20:59:53 do they destroy spacetime? 20:59:53 well, this level doesn't have a BoH, so it's moot 20:59:55 they explode 20:59:55 alise: they explode 20:59:57 And don't store bag of tricks in BoHs, I _think_ 20:59:58 ais423 21:00:00 -!- myndzi has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 21:00:01 Sgeo: correct 21:00:02 100 lifetimes ago 21:00:05 Sgeo: yep, and don't store wands of cancellation 21:00:12 ais523: right up? 21:00:13 alise: that one 21:00:15 yep 21:00:21 don't trap felix 3 behind it 21:00:24 dammit felix 21:00:24 unided wands are fine if you engrave-test them as something other than cancellation 21:00:24 wait a couple of turns, it'll move 21:00:30 ok, now 21:00:32 you can push the boudler onto the I 21:00:42 it just marks the last known location of an invisible monster 21:01:01 the one on the far left moves up 2, right 2 21:01:15 don't eat, IIRC 21:01:18 but I can't remember why 21:01:20 i | imp | Spd: 12 | Small | Genocidable | Lvl: 3 | AC: 2 | MR: 20 | Difficulty: 4 | Align: -7 | Corpse wgt: 20 | Nutr: 10 | Atk: claw physical 1d4 | Flags: regen, stalk, wander, infravision, infravisible, imp, drain resistance 21:01:21 I have items that can't go in bags of holding highlighed in blue so I don't accidentally put them in 21:01:21 why not? 21:01:24 drain resistence? 21:01:25 *resistance 21:01:28 err, no reason not to, it seems 21:01:34 heh, blecch nayway 21:01:35 that's why 21:01:36 wait that off 21:01:42 you don't want to move in soko while confused 21:01:44 imagine stun in sokoban 21:01:44 :D 21:01:48 OK, leftmost boulder, up two right two 21:01:58 and to the exit 21:02:11 next, move the boulder in the centre room out through its left exit 21:02:12 what is it with cats and picking shit up and then dropping it? 21:02:14 then to the exit 21:02:17 alise: they're fetching for you 21:02:22 the behaviour was originally implemented for dogs 21:02:28 and cats and dogs are functionally identical 21:02:43 weirdest cat ever, that's all i'll say 21:02:47 ugh, not enough boulders left to complete the level 21:02:54 due to you breaking three earlier on 21:02:55 you're joking 21:03:00 ok, how do i create them? 21:03:00 well, all the remaining ones go in 21:03:05 you'll need a scroll of earth 21:03:06 and then we can create some with the scroll of earth 21:03:09 but do that afterwards 21:03:11 good, i have one 21:03:16 You should have 2 21:03:20 I think 21:03:22 ais523: down? 21:03:24 alise: no 21:03:26 Sgeo: i do 21:03:27 ais523: oh 21:03:31 move the top of the two boulders over the right up 21:03:35 to the centre room entrance 21:03:40 then push it through the centre room 21:03:45 Oh, and it will hurt a bit 21:03:49 ais523: which? 21:03:52 the one closest to the entrance? 21:03:52 hmm, either of the two on the top work 21:03:57 And be unlucky 21:03:58 although I was thinking of the one by the entrance 21:04:00 yeah? 21:04:00 ok 21:04:08 push it through the centre room 21:04:11 then to the exit 21:04:23 you can do that with all the boulders over the right 21:05:06 that one goes left 21:05:08 yep 21:05:29 the one at the far right 21:05:31 goes up 3 21:05:40 yep 21:06:04 OK, you need to move the near boulder down 21:06:05 ais523: push down? 21:06:07 then push it from the right 21:06:09 yep 21:06:10 i suggested that earlier! 21:06:14 -!- zzo38 has quit (Quit: q). 21:06:30 same with the other one by the centre room 21:06:37 stop 21:06:41 from the right 21:06:45 hmm, another cat 21:06:47 where did that come from? 21:06:48 oh well 21:06:49 Felix 4 time 21:06:50 that isn't felix, or it'd be named 21:07:06 Time Cube1 21:07:07 ! 21:07:35 He should last a while. 21:07:48 With alise as his owner? 21:07:49 heh 21:08:05 Oh, because he's not Felix 21:08:05 the last boulder moves right 21:08:08 then is pushed from below 21:08:10 Sgeo: no, because he's not fluffy 21:08:12 too 21:08:20 although, don't let your cats get trapped behind it 21:08:37 hmm, the zoo's awake 21:08:42 up 3 21:08:44 then from the right 21:08:45 Wha? How can you tell? 21:08:49 Sgeo: all the noises 21:09:00 there's a monster drinking potions, and a rock mole eating all the gold 21:09:03 ais523: how many pets can i expect to get in the zoo to help me? 21:09:13 alise: the difficulty is aiming at them 21:09:14 I have 4 rations, a clove of garlic, and a fortune cookie. 21:09:15 probably 0 21:09:18 aww 21:09:23 because of all the other monsters in the way 21:09:26 maybe 1 21:09:29 ok 21:09:31 earth scroll thing 21:09:32 how? 21:09:33 OK, time to use a scroll of earth 21:09:33 -!- myndzi\ has changed nick to myndzi. 21:09:36 you need to move to an open space 21:09:37 zap it? 21:09:41 nope 21:09:43 Actually, couldn't he do it there? 21:09:44 (r)ead it 21:09:45 Why not just use it before if you had to use it anyway 21:09:49 Sgeo: he'd be trapped on the way back 21:09:50 Would've sped things up 21:09:50 Deewiant: ais523 said not to :P 21:09:55 No he wouldn't I think 21:09:59 alise: that's the best square to use the scroll from 21:10:02 If it's 1 surrounding 21:10:03 Oh, n/m 21:10:05 ais523: is it? i picked well 21:10:05 but make sure your cats are well clear, you don't want to kill them 21:10:05 Not with felix next to you 21:10:14 there 21:10:16 is that clear enough? 21:10:16 ok 21:10:17 read it? 21:10:18 that's a safe distance 21:10:21 read a scroll of earth 21:10:32 Told you it would hurt 21:10:38 wait 21:10:39 I'm resting HP 21:10:42 before fighting these guys 21:10:44 let your pets get near too 21:11:01 once that hole is filled, all hell breaks loose, pretty much 21:11:07 errr 21:11:09 #esoteric: all Nethack, all the time. 21:11:10 especially if one of the monsters has figured out how to open the door 21:11:11 i think i killed felix 21:11:15 how? 21:11:17 pikhq: telnet termcast.org 21:11:17 check control-p 21:11:19 pikhq: listen in! 21:11:30 ais523: i dunno 21:11:32 seems alive to me 21:11:39 must be, it's fighting something 21:11:49 stop searching 21:11:50 Are you searching 21:11:50 go fight 21:11:53 you're on full health 21:11:57 alise: Wow, live Nethack. 21:12:01 pikhq: yep 21:12:09 pikhq: nethack.alt.org has that too though :P 21:12:14 the trick here's to use your pets to avoid being cornered 21:12:20 * pikhq puts it on his phone 21:12:27 On your PHONE? 21:12:28 haha 21:12:41 let the cat kill the ray 21:12:43 *rat 21:12:45 err, rock mole 21:12:53 I'm just going to let them trickle in 21:12:55 rather than fighting them in one spot 21:12:58 conga line of death 21:13:01 God *damn* the terminal emulator sucks. 21:13:01 it's a typical strategy 21:13:06 It's, like, not VT100. 21:13:22 not very fluffy sucks at hitting things 21:13:28 you're in a corridor! it's right next to you! 21:13:31 how can you miss it?! 21:13:40 Those spaces are large enough for dragons 21:13:44 And small enough for ants 21:13:52 everything is the same size in nethack! 21:13:53 even the giant things! 21:14:08 ais523: can i just kill the bloody rock mole 21:14:12 ais523: actually, can i go find fluffy? 21:14:15 yep, if you like 21:14:17 either, in fact 21:14:25 although I don't know how long fluffy will survive on its own 21:14:38 heh, it ran 21:14:42 sensible cat 21:14:56 god dammit 21:15:18 Roughly how unlucky is alise? 21:15:26 ais523: HOW DO I GET FELIX TO GO AHEAD OF ME 21:15:34 displace him 21:15:38 easy 21:15:41 Sgeo: Insufficiently. 21:15:45 He should eat his cat. 21:15:49 XD 21:15:52 move down one squaer 21:15:55 pikhq: I killed a pet pony by rolling it into a pit once 21:15:58 need moar luckstone 21:16:00 so felix can't get back behind you 21:16:03 *square 21:16:20 ok, that door must be open 21:16:24 things are walking through it 21:16:26 (it just isn't in LOS yet) 21:16:42 this is the easiest boss ever 21:16:44 Stupid @ 21:16:50 alise: with pets, it is pretty easy 21:16:54 lol 21:16:57 felix even picked up gold for me 21:16:57 most people don't bother dragging pets through Sokoban, though 21:17:04 ais523: I just let mine wonder 21:17:06 and do all the fighting 21:17:07 worked wonders 21:17:08 yep 21:17:14 yay, dead wererat 21:17:16 can't imagine doing this on my own 21:17:19 I suppose it's in the nature of cats to bite rats 21:17:21 ais523: can i go blind? 21:17:22 i wanna see the action 21:17:25 also, I've done it on my own, but it wasn't awake at the time 21:17:26 safely that is 21:17:26 and sure 21:17:42 only risk is that a mindless creature sneaks up behind you; if that happens, just take the blindfold back off 21:17:43 You hear a wererat reading a scroll labeled HACKEM MUCHE. 21:17:43 What 21:17:44 HACKEM MUCHE! 21:17:46 Is there a chance of c? 21:17:50 What the what what 21:17:53 hmm, I wonder what that did 21:17:54 press \ 21:18:01 see if you know what the label means 21:18:03 apparently not 21:18:03 nope 21:18:08 I'm guessing create monster, though 21:18:16 it's the only scroll monsters regularly read 21:18:20 MWAHAHAHA GO INTO THE ARENA PITIFUL KITTENS 21:18:25 ais523: it was a were-, though 21:18:32 so perhaps a @ at the time 21:18:35 yep, thus intelligent enough to read scrolls in @ form 21:18:50 i wanna tame the kittieeeees 21:18:51 ais523, is there a chance of c here? 21:18:55 of c? 21:18:56 Sgeo: yes 21:19:01 try not to move while blind 21:19:02 Then alise shouldn't be blind right now 21:19:07 in case you step onto a c corpse and die instantly 21:19:08 Or, yeah, don't move 21:19:13 you cna tame that kitten 21:19:17 it's in range 21:19:23 will a fortune cookie work? 21:19:25 yep 21:19:28 although it'll eat the fortune 21:19:49 yes, i am aware that is a kitten 21:19:51 not a dog 21:19:54 :) 21:19:59 So many cats. 21:20:05 this zoo's almost clear by now 21:20:06 Some fighter. 21:20:06 I know, I hope to drain the d too. 21:20:12 take the blindfold off; you can see in there /anyway/ 21:20:16 Fuck you, water nymph! 21:20:16 stop! 21:20:20 that is /dangerous/ 21:20:20 Attack? 21:20:22 if she reads that thing... 21:20:26 Attack? 21:20:28 yes, attack and hope to kill her first 21:20:36 phew, only had one hit left in her 21:20:37 what scroll did she steal? 21:20:40 earth 21:20:40 coppro: earth 21:20:40 earth 21:20:43 EARTH 21:20:43 oh, ow 21:20:57 would have probably killed all the pets simultaneously, also trapped alise from going any further 21:21:07 ais523: are fog clouds dangerous? 21:21:12 fog clouds are pretty harmless to players, but potentially dangerous to pets 21:21:12 ô_o what game are you talking about 21:21:14 if not, I want to go in and try and tame the dog 21:21:15 kill it yourself if you can 21:21:15 Flonk: nethack 21:21:17 Flonk: NetHack 21:21:19 Flonk: telnet termcast.org if you want to see 21:21:30 ais523: so it's ok to go in now, right? 21:21:33 yep 21:21:35 the leprechaun might rob me but i don't care 21:21:36 lets see 21:21:38 the zoo's almost empty 21:21:41 Flonk: i'm alise obvs 21:22:00 btw, you'll need to make multiple trips just to get more than two pets down the stairs 21:22:04 If I play NetHack later, will people here help me out? 21:22:07 Sgeo: probably 21:22:09 ais523: is garlic valuable? 21:22:10 Sgeo: sure 21:22:14 but i'm little help :P 21:22:18 alise: it scares vampires, so no 21:22:31 but it doesn't tame dogs, just make them peaceful 21:22:35 Eh, I can spare a food ration. 21:22:49 :D 21:22:56 It's a Kitty! Wait, no it's not! You liar! 21:23:04 Sgeo: And Shaggy Dog isn't shaggy, either! 21:23:05 ... Or a dog! 21:23:12 You're part of the Micky Mouse conspiracy! 21:23:14 ais523: is there a safe way to kill that leprechaun? 21:23:16 lance? 21:23:19 the leprechaon is harmless 21:23:23 *chaun 21:23:26 coppro: BUT MONEYS 21:23:26 the leprechaun can't teleport in Sokoban 21:23:27 Leprechaun can't teleport here 21:23:27 it can't teleport 21:23:28 so you get a free kill 21:23:36 it steals, you just steal back 21:23:37 Eating it gives you teleportitis 21:23:38 safe to eat? 21:23:40 if it steals moneys, you'll get them back when you kill it 21:23:40 ah 21:23:41 teleportitis 21:23:46 Which you may or may not want 21:23:49 It will let you escape the vault 21:23:55 NExt time you're there 21:23:59 ok, time to loot 21:24:06 Wait, did he eat it? 21:24:12 I think a pet did 21:24:15 also, "he"? 21:24:18 female character... 21:24:23 alise: check those rooms over the left 21:24:25 wait 21:24:26 i should have three cats 21:24:27 one should have an amulet 21:24:31 alise: one's probably just out of view 21:24:42 ha, what 21:24:45 wait, what happened to the amulet? 21:24:48 third one 21:24:48 duh 21:24:49 but 21:24:51 wtf @ elbereth 21:24:51 a monster must have spawned on it 21:24:51 wtf 21:24:55 ... 21:24:57 you are joking, right? 21:24:58 no, the amulet's generated on an elbereth 21:25:01 to stop things picking it up 21:25:02 HAHAHA 21:25:06 i just did sokoban 21:25:07 for nothing? 21:25:07 but if a monster spawns on the square, anything can happen 21:25:13 did you find an amulet anywhere else? 21:25:14 well, the amulet's probably still around here somewhere 21:25:17 unless something ate it 21:25:37 the door wasn't open, though 21:25:46 oh wait, it was 21:25:47 nvm 21:25:57 ais523: what do amulets look like? 21:25:59 " 21:26:04 " 21:26:09 check inventory 21:26:12 you might have picked it up already 21:26:16 hmm, apparently not 21:26:20 >< 21:26:21 amulets sort to the top of the list 21:26:23 ais523: maybe one of my pets have it 21:26:29 possible 21:26:34 oh, right, pets don't respect Elbereth 21:26:35 more than possible 21:26:37 kill them all obv 21:26:43 nah, just wait for them to drop it 21:26:43 coppro: what XD 21:26:48 cats and dogs don't hang on to amulets 21:26:50 "Your pets have something ... KILL THEM!" 21:26:57 yeah, just see if they drop it 21:27:06 maybe the dog has it 21:27:11 k, NVFAA doesn't have it 21:27:25 nope 21:27:27 :/ 21:27:35 must have been et 21:27:39 ... 21:27:41 Okay, what now? 21:27:45 Did I just go through Sokoban for nothing? 21:27:50 you got lots of xp and food 21:27:51 what should the amulet have been? 21:27:59 Mathnerd314: amulet of reflection 21:28:00 Mathnerd314: reflection or something 21:28:05 coppro: yes, but 21:28:06 I 21:28:06 HATE 21:28:07 SOKOBAN! 21:28:14 I've never seen that happen before 21:28:30 besides, you'll be better at sokoban in future 21:28:34 ais523: is there a way to shake my pets to make them drop stuff? :P 21:28:42 alise: they can only hold one item 21:28:48 every put has already picked something up 21:28:51 they'll drop it in time nayway 21:29:00 so now i have to go all the way back up? 21:29:04 Maybe it's on those [? 21:29:08 down 21:29:20 alise: that's the end of Sokoban, anyway 21:29:24 next stop, generally the Mines 21:29:31 down, yaeh 21:29:33 *yeah 21:29:37 although they're safer with the amulet, which I still haven't figured out where it went 21:29:41 ais523: how many pets do you think I'll have when i come out of sokoban? 21:29:50 depends on how patient you are 21:30:14 no, depends on how filled with love for my pets i am 21:30:15 you brute 21:30:26 * ais523 stops watching 21:30:30 why? 21:30:42 because I want to do something else now 21:30:46 how crazy 21:30:55 coppro: you're on stop-me-doing-something-retarded duty >.> 21:30:56 Sgeo: you too 21:31:49 anyone good at herding cats?! 21:32:11 Whistles 21:32:16 i have one 21:32:21 aE 21:32:24 just move a bit then blow it? 21:32:26 how long does it last? 21:32:28 like 21:32:29 how many times 21:32:30 If it's magic, it's awesome 21:32:34 Um, not sure 21:32:40 can i use it from an arbitrary distance? 21:32:46 Magic, yes 21:32:50 I know nothing about regular 21:33:05 lol 21:33:10 i killed a kobold by running 21:33:12 Might want to engrave-test the gem 21:33:12 pikhq: are you watching? 21:33:14 Don't run 21:33:16 Sgeo: how do you do that? 21:33:21 E gem 21:33:27 If it writes in the dust, you learn nothing 21:33:32 sHI 21:33:32 If it doesn't, it's valuable 21:33:36 Elbereth, right? 21:33:40 Green is valuable 21:33:51 ? 21:33:55 #name call that gem 21:33:58 Sgeo: green just engraved. 21:34:01 Yes 21:34:08 That means it's not worthless glasss 21:34:15 call it what? 21:34:17 valuable? 21:34:19 valuable green 21:34:39 You know nothing about black now 21:34:43 It could be valuable, or not 21:34:45 ah 21:34:56 Same with violet 21:35:13 alise: NEVAR 21:35:59 I still think you should be looking for " 21:36:10 after i get the kitty 21:36:12 Sgeo: but where? 21:36:35 You sure those [ don't hide it? 21:36:55 If I check now, my pets could become untamed... 21:37:02 No? 21:37:04 How long does it take? 21:37:08 I don't know 21:39:34 http://nethack.wikia.com/wiki/DeathOnAStick 21:39:56 alise: 75 turns 21:40:02 at least 21:40:40 Mathnerd314: if i go onto the same level then back that buys me another 75 turns, right? 21:41:06 I just took the first number from http://nethack.wikia.com/wiki/Tameness 21:41:07 BTW, there's a _ command 21:41:11 but probably yes 21:41:14 Sgeo: to do what? 21:41:21 Dammit think before you move 21:41:32 It lets you move quickly (in terms of RL) 21:41:38 (iirc) 21:42:16 Sgeo: It wasn't there. 21:42:17 Happy? :P 21:42:23 :( 21:42:28 * alise is blind lulz 21:42:40 Yes, that's your fault 21:42:40 ffdf! 21:42:52 You should have seen the light, you should have blindfolded yourself 21:43:17 I didn't realise what it was >_> 21:43:32 Finally, the gnomish wizard dies! 21:44:23 * Sgeo looks something up quickly 21:44:29 Sgeo: Where did the wererat go? 21:44:37 *shrug* 21:46:28 I have no idea what happens if you see Medusa via telepathy 21:46:35 I _think_ it's nonfatal 21:46:40 I'd still rather you have the "reflect 21:47:06 Sgeo: Unfortunately it has been eaten. 21:48:14 alise, you have the mirror, right? 21:48:17 Yes. 21:48:47 Ok, and you have the good blindfold 21:48:51 Should be no problem 21:49:52 I'm pretty sure Felix 3 doesn't love me any more. 21:50:01 Is the whistle magic? 21:50:07 Not as far as I can tell. 21:50:37 What's the message? 21:50:42 Wererat! Shit! 21:50:49 Sgeo: "You produce a high-pitched whistling noise." or words to that effect 21:50:55 Nothing special. 21:51:03 Sadly, that 21:51:09 that's not a message for any whistle 21:51:12 AMULET 21:51:20 ONE OF THE MONSTERS MUST AHVE ESCAPED 21:51:23 *HAVE 21:51:26 Sgeo: what are the messages? 21:51:27 maybe 21:51:31 it could be a random other amulet 21:51:41 high whistling for tin 21:51:53 high-pitched humming for cursed magic 21:52:07 coppro: pyramidal? 21:52:24 heh, you found the amulet? 21:52:30 _an_ amulet 21:52:37 We don't know if it's reflection or not 21:52:40 alise: don't know 21:52:48 alise: see if a pet will move on it 21:53:24 alise, do a non-cursed check 21:53:28 If it's not cursed, wear it 21:53:51 Sgeo: how do i do that check all the way out here? 21:53:58 ais523: a wererat dropped it; some werecreature was in that fierce battle 21:54:06 and, i suppose, could theoretically have escaped without me noticing 21:54:08 alise: hmm 21:54:12 Drop it, if a pet stands on it, it's not cursed 21:54:13 two levels down 21:54:16 and you can cursecheck by dropping it and letting a pet stand on it 21:54:25 Not Very Fluffy At All, Really moves only reluctantly. 21:54:28 cursed 21:54:30 Where did it move to? 21:54:35 Sgeo: dunno 21:54:36 ais523, it doesn't seem to be on the " 21:54:36 whatever it stepped on, that is 21:54:39 ah 21:54:42 well, see if it steps on the " 21:54:45 without moving reluctantly 21:54:54 none of them have stepped on it yet 21:55:06 uh oh, here comes trouble 21:55:06 Oh wow 21:55:11 oh no, a pony 21:55:12 ANOTHER PET YAY 21:55:20 ais523: do ponies like pancakes 21:55:41 Sgeo: oh wow? 21:55:46 alise: I think they make them peaceful 21:55:55 ais523: garlic? 21:56:02 i only have one food ration left! 21:56:02 no idea 21:56:04 but it's worth a try 21:56:09 (food rations don't tame ponies anyway) 21:56:14 it's tame now 21:56:28 * alise looks up names of My Little Ponys 21:56:54 What else in the vicinity could have been cursed? 21:57:08 the floor! 21:57:28 meh, i'll just call it Sparkle 21:57:40 ais523: pony just stepped on the amulet 21:57:41 no unease 21:57:50 You didn't pick it up just now? 21:57:50 no wait 21:57:51 i picked it up 21:58:05 ais523: could you tune in to termcast? 21:58:09 i'm not sure whether they're avoiding it just by chance 21:58:21 -!- ais523 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:58:24 or not 21:59:06 Keep waiting? 21:59:14 But at this point, it's looking dismal 21:59:25 BTW, don't wear cursed amulets 21:59:30 so this /isn't/ the sokoban amulet? 21:59:32 also, what does that do? 21:59:50 yeah, I'd say that's cursed 21:59:51 Cursed amulets? Well, one amulet can kill you in 6 turns 22:00:00 -!- tombom__ has joined. 22:00:01 and it's usually generated cursed 22:00:04 (always?) 22:00:07 how do you fix it? 22:00:12 alise, by removing it 22:00:16 what? 22:00:19 i mean 22:00:20 uncursing it 22:00:25 Holy Water is easiest 22:00:29 ok 22:00:30 or a scroll of uncursing 22:00:32 i'll hang on to it 22:00:35 should i name it cursed for now? 22:00:38 yes 22:01:05 out of sokoban! 22:01:06 now to get all my pets 22:01:12 coppro: how do I get to minetown, btw? 22:01:14 the other >? 22:01:16 well 22:01:16 the mines 22:01:27 Go up, and find the other > somewhere up there 22:01:37 Where the sky is blue, where baby burp and flowers bloom 22:01:42 coppro: did I miss a pet? 22:01:52 possibly? 22:01:59 not him again 22:02:02 I haven't been keeping it open 22:02:03 coppro: felix 3 never follows me but the others do 22:02:06 is it because he's older or something? 22:02:10 do i need to feed him 22:02:11 P 22:02:12 *:P 22:02:17 RIP Felix 22:02:19 -!- Mathnerd314 has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.2.8/20100722155716]). 22:02:20 he likes you more 22:02:22 err, less 22:02:23 -!- tombom_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 22:02:28 does feeding help? 22:03:15 yay 22:03:18 all five pets on one screen 22:03:24 whee 22:03:50 http://i.imgur.com/Jw8jG.png 22:04:00 -!- olsner has joined. 22:04:19 coppro: so now what, just head down to the >? 22:04:33 or go back to the mines 22:04:51 the entrance is on dlvl 2 or 3 iirc 22:04:52 erm 22:04:55 ah 22:04:57 is that the best idea? 22:05:32 you're probably safe for a few more levels on the main branch; I wouldn't recommend going below about 10 before the mines, but that's me 22:05:48 i'll just head to the mines then 22:06:08 the mines can be dangerous though because they are open and have lots of monsters, so be careful 22:06:15 (also the gwawod) 22:06:16 coppro: yes, but i have five pets 22:06:26 gwawod? 22:06:35 gnome with a wand of death 22:06:35 /Death would not be a concern if that amulet were there! 22:06:55 Sgeo: i have the amulet 22:06:57 it's just cursed 22:07:11 coppro, can the "ofReflection in Soko be generated cursed? 22:07:13 coppro: will the mirror work? 22:07:18 Sgeo: dunno 22:07:23 Sgeo: coppro said it's usually cursed 22:07:24 ... 22:07:24 alise: gwawod is rare 22:07:26 if not always 22:07:32 hey, deathonastick is playing? 22:07:34 no, I meant the "oStrangulation 22:07:37 oh 22:07:50 IIRC, bad jewelry is 90% cursed, and good is 10% cursed 22:08:05 is this amlet likely to be the reflection in any way? 22:08:12 wow 22:08:15 deathonastick doesn't use colour 22:08:19 the famous deathonastick! 22:08:21 alise, well, once it's uncursed, you'll find out 22:08:29 he has the amulet 22:08:31 but jesus 22:08:33 he's playing 22:08:36 with completely stock settings 22:09:04 uncoloured ascii 22:09:13 alise: we suspect he may be slightly old-fashioned 22:09:13 it's just a hunch 22:09:51 he doesn't believe in travel, shift-walk, or selecting a symbol on farlook it seems 22:10:40 how much shit is on these squares?! 22:10:43 anyway back to my game 22:10:47 coppro: so, ascend, yeah? 22:10:53 aliseyeah 22:11:01 man 22:11:04 my pets are killing machines 22:11:04 it's awesome 22:11:22 whoa whoa 22:11:27 i'm rapidly losing health 22:11:37 What was that wand? 22:11:44 orge was zapping striking 22:11:53 231 potions of holy water 22:11:54 that's... WTF 22:12:00 should i zap striking in return, or what? 22:12:34 yeah, give it one shot I'd say 22:12:42 coppro: you watching deathonastick? 22:12:45 no 22:12:45 you 22:12:46 he's bloody insane! 22:12:49 coppro: i know 22:12:53 but you should take a look anyway :| 22:12:57 he has the amulet 22:13:05 is this on nao? 22:13:08 Yes 22:13:14 yes 22:13:18 coppro: keep zapping him with it? 22:13:38 coppro: he's playing without graphics, without colour 22:13:44 he has 231 holy waters 22:13:46 he isn't using travel 22:13:52 or shift-walk 22:13:58 where is he? quest? 22:14:01 and he's apparently been farlooking every possible ghost 22:14:04 rather than changing the symbol 22:14:06 Dlevel 13 22:14:07 coppro: dlvl 13, he has the amulet 22:14:10 i'm not sure where that is 22:14:15 but he's close to ascending, sources say 22:14:24 coppro: also, these squares have two pages of items each on them 22:14:26 oh wait 22:14:30 also he is wearing tons of shit 22:14:31 and 22:14:31 he just dug the whole level out 22:14:33 haha 22:14:53 this is such a weird game though, it's just a different scale to anything except, I don't know, extinctionist? 22:15:01 Let's hope he doesn't make the same mistake twice 22:15:06 I wonder if he's going to enter the planes unburdened 22:15:06 I suspect... possibly not 22:15:15 lol 22:15:18 T:1479307 22:15:22 i wonder what he's trying to do 22:15:30 Same thing he tried last time? 22:15:33 he's blesssing everything in his inventory lol 22:15:41 Sgeo: no, he doesn't have any gems or anything 22:15:41 or pets 22:15:44 oh 22:15:45 alise: ascend with a stupid number of gems, I believe 22:15:56 that sounds likely 22:15:59 "Your wand of death glows with a light blue aura." 22:16:21 http://nethack.wikia.com/wiki/DeathOnAStick 22:16:34 yes 22:16:58 Don't zap /death at Death 22:17:19 Sgeo: Death? 22:17:23 oh, his game 22:17:31 i - a +0 orcish helm 22:17:31 q - an orcish cloak 22:17:32 No, Death, the monster 22:17:34 I don't need that helm, do I? 22:17:40 Sgeo: is death in my game right now? 22:17:56 He will be 22:18:02 If you get close to ascending 22:18:11 Also, don't try to eat Death. 22:18:15 * coppro ascended once 22:18:26 coppro: god dammit, i need leashes for all these pets! 22:18:27 * Sgeo never even crossed Medusa 22:18:28 how do you get leashes? 22:18:37 If it's not blessed, it's not good enough for DoaS. 22:18:37 dunno 22:18:52 What you need is a magic whistle; that's a good pet-management tool. 22:19:10 He has a whistle of unknown, but possible tin, type 22:19:23 wtf 22:19:23 did he dig out every single level? 22:19:23 ziedrich: yeah 22:19:28 it's tin 22:19:29 it's not magic 22:19:39 is there an easy way to get a magic one? :P 22:19:46 Wish 22:19:48 He's not insane, just a little compulsive, and also not getting with the times. (Or, blind an playing on a braille terminal while insane). 22:19:48 Iku_: huh, there's a theory I've never heard before 22:19:48 blind playing nethack. 22:20:15 I used to know someone who played on a braille terminal 22:20:16 ascended, too 22:21:10 wow 22:21:18 you know, you could just tell us to go into #nethack 22:21:31 note to self: self, the scroll you called enchant weapon is actually remove curse. 22:21:35 coppro: well, that's true. 22:21:38 but i'm like 22:21:40 Nethack 22:21:44 the Digest 22:21:50 I filter out the highest-quality #nethack material 22:22:00 lol 22:22:13 i need like 22:22:17 something that tells me how many pets i have on a level 22:22:19 to see if i missed one 22:22:58 yay 22:22:59 all my five pets 22:23:10 now THAT'S crazy prepared. 22:23:10 keeping cockatrice corpses in an icebox next to the 2 level downstairs. 22:23:41 coppro: dlvl 2 or 3 right? 22:23:42 for mines 22:23:44 yeah 22:23:47 it'll be a second downstair 22:24:02 You are laden with moisture and can barely breathe! 22:24:03 FOG CLOUD 22:24:04 HALP 22:24:08 :D 22:24:09 what do i DO 22:24:12 Kill it 22:24:17 -!- wareya_ has joined. 22:24:18 Sgeo: I'M INSIDE IT 22:24:19 -!- wareya_ has changed nick to wareya. 22:24:28 Doesn't mean you can't kill it 22:24:33 just hit the walls? 22:24:39 Yes, I _think_ 22:24:45 lol deathonastick has $0 22:25:00 alise, check your moisture-vulnerable stuff 22:25:10 The water nymph pretends to be friendly to Shaggy Dog.--More-- 22:26:07 i'm a bit low on food... 22:26:09 just a pancake 22:26:17 I live on jumk food 22:26:19 coppro: how far do you think i'll get? 22:26:20 junk* 22:26:23 wareya: i mean in nethack. 22:26:28 Me too 22:26:32 XD 22:26:44 That was a while ago, though 22:28:01 coppro: 2/3 or 3/4 for mines? 22:28:01 -!- Gregor-P has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 22:28:05 2/3 right? 22:28:08 alise: dunno 22:28:11 it'll be a second downstair 22:28:14 it's pretty obvious 22:28:16 -!- Gregor-P has joined. 22:29:20 When should alise dip for Excalibur? 22:29:32 he's at dlvl 1! 22:29:46 As interesting as DoaS might be, I think I might return to my game in search of a wand of cancellation. 22:29:46 And color. 22:30:52 i /think/ deathonastick is about to ascend. 22:30:55 Sgeo: yeah, when :P 22:31:19 rickRoll (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 20 points, killed by a succubus, while helpless 22:31:19 hehe, he's no stranger to love 22:31:21 rofl 22:32:51 lol 22:32:58 yes Sgeo, those are pets 22:33:01 what are they? 22:33:06 giants? 22:33:08 fire giants 22:33:13 :D 22:33:54 brb 22:34:07 nethack seems incredibly boring 22:34:42 lol 22:36:45 -!- oerjan has joined. 22:38:11 -!- tombom__ has quit (Quit: Leaving). 22:39:29 I may have posted this a long time ago, but fuck it: http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Redstone_circuits 22:39:45 It's essentially just NOT and OR gates anyway 22:54:56 ... 22:58:20 I have a friend who knows the creator of Minecraft. Am I special? 22:58:22 :P 22:58:48 well, 2 degrees of separation, how many _should_ that be? 22:58:52 oerjan: six! 22:58:54 olsner: it isn't 22:58:58 olsner: i thought nethack was boring too 22:59:01 but it perks up after a few levels 22:59:07 alise: no, you have 2 there 22:59:12 oerjan: yes 22:59:17 oerjan: what did your question mean, then? 22:59:20 oh 22:59:33 i mean how many people should be at 2 degrees of separation 22:59:41 ah 22:59:53 oerjan: depends 23:00:06 oerjan: the space of people squares every extra degree of separation, maybe 23:00:18 taking world population as 6.7 billion 23:00:21 well 23:00:25 although there's that scale-something thing, he may be a "hub", giving more people 23:00:29 as 6697254041 23:00:30 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 23:00:31 good enough :P 23:00:42 -!- augur has joined. 23:00:47 argh 23:00:48 oerjan: then 2 degrees of separation = 4 people 23:01:06 lilomar get back :( 23:01:08 coppro: ? 23:01:15 alise: I'm about to win BN 23:01:18 oh, b nomic 23:01:20 alise: er surely you know more than 2 people, and so does your friend :D 23:01:20 erm 23:01:20 blog 23:01:26 -!- Gregor-P has quit (Quit: Bye). 23:01:29 oerjan: well if six people is the whole world! 23:01:34 I just need lilomar to come back and award me the points 23:01:43 there's that 150 number that is sometimes mentioned 23:01:43 -!- Gregor-P has joined. 23:01:46 oerjan: got a better growth formula? 23:01:53 100 is meant to be the maximum you /can/ know, or something 23:01:56 not /do/ know 23:02:24 alise: anyway my scale-free thing applies iirc, some people are _hubs_ and are better connected, so your distance to them should be less 23:02:53 deathonastick[3]: If you ever see him in real life, please give him a hug and tell him that everything is going to be all right. 23:03:03 alise: we're all in #nethack 23:03:15 but you're getting the undigested version 23:03:15 * oerjan isn't 23:03:18 full of ... of THINGS 23:06:09 so if anyone is totally bored of watching daos 23:06:11 i'm playing again 23:06:59 it's fucking felix 3 again 23:07:04 how do you make a cat like you?! 23:07:19 i tried feeding it 23:07:20 the food MISSED 23:07:28 lolol 23:08:24 (a while ago) 23:11:32 coppro: are you watching this 23:11:35 coppro: felix 3 23:11:38 is actively moving away from me 23:11:57 coppro: is there any way to make a cat like me :| 23:14:00 alise: no 23:14:05 I'm not watching 23:14:44 too busy with DoaS i bet :'<<< 23:14:47 beard of sadness 23:15:29 alise: making images for my dynasty 23:15:55 know a good editor for pixel-level image editing? 23:16:23 coppro: pixen for os x :P 23:16:37 * coppro smacks alise 23:16:42 it's what i used 23:16:54 for what? 23:17:02 pixel art 23:17:04 it's designed for it 23:17:16 it's like ms paint on crack, steroids, layers and a few other drugs of questionable morality 23:17:23 and cocoa 23:17:29 so no luck on non-os x systems 23:17:50 cocoa's dumb anyway 23:18:27 it isn't the nicest toolkit to program in 23:24:59 coppro: should i just abandon felix 3, if he hates me so much? 23:25:05 possibly 23:25:19 coppro: like 70% of my herding time is devoted to chasing after him after all the others come 23:25:28 does abandoning a pet have any negative effects? 23:25:47 it might get feral and attack you later 23:26:09 coppro: yeah, but ... i can defeat a cat :P 23:26:14 so, no actual downsides then 23:26:33 ok, final question then: is there any way to make it like me? 23:27:32 tbh pixen looks cool 23:28:33 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 23:28:35 coppro: i'm on dlvl 3, so i should look for another downstairs? 23:28:40 wait, there is one 23:28:40 -!- augur has joined. 23:28:41 that was easy 23:28:46 alise: I normally explore every level 23:28:49 have you not been doing that? 23:28:52 yes 23:29:28 e's in Mines 23:30:05 i hate a pancake 23:30:08 it was rotten 23:30:09 and i'm still hungry 23:30:13 and confused 23:30:22 DAMMIT FELIX 3 23:31:07 * alise asks nethack for pet advice 23:31:40 i hate a pancake, i hate the daffodils 23:31:54 DeathOnAStick entered the Planes, on turn 1481268 23:33:13 he has 6000 hitpoints and AC -56 23:34:57 nethanck is unplayable 23:35:04 unlike the angband 23:35:52 it's nice 23:35:54 Sgeo: for the record 23:36:05 -!- MigoMipo has quit (Quit: Quit). 23:36:07 ABANDONED FELIX 3: RADIOTRON on Dlvl 3. 23:37:11 coppro: can i get excalibur now? 23:37:39 apparently 23:38:58 lol 23:39:02 "a" on termcast.org 23:39:03 endgame 23:40:28 Sgeo: so do i just drop the sword in? 23:40:32 #dip 23:40:44 erm 23:40:45 I CAN HAS EXCALIBUR? 23:40:45 Your long sword rusts somewhat. 23:41:12 Are you at least level 5? 23:41:17 level 9 dude 23:41:25 Sgeo: just have to keep dipping 23:43:04 You faint from lack of food. You regain consciousness. 23:47:18 there should be lots of food in the early levels of the mines 23:47:33 because of all the gnomes 23:49:00 Excalibur! 23:52:15 FUCK 23:52:19 oh well 23:52:58 ?? 23:53:19 alise, search that eastern room 23:53:21 ape corpses okay to eat? 23:53:27 Sgeo: no, i don't want to look in that room 23:53:27 why bother 23:53:33 alise, why NOT? 23:53:38 because i have no food 23:53:40 and i'm going to the mines 23:53:44 where there is food 23:53:47 There's an e 23:53:50 oh gosh, an e 23:53:54 i already have telepathy 23:54:01 But it may leave a corpse 23:54:04 yes, yes it may 23:54:39 Sgeo: you do realise i'm blind 23:54:43 ...yes 23:54:48 and not anymore 23:55:02 blindfold nbefore e attack 23:55:51 there 23:56:24 Hold onto lizard corpse 23:56:26 Dammit 23:56:38 I'm trying to /avoid/ starving this time. 23:56:40 They don't spoil, and they can save you in the event of cockatrice hiss 23:57:00 anyway, mines time 23:57:02 any suggestions? 23:57:04 for te mines 23:57:15 a leash! <3 23:57:15 *the 23:57:17 " It is usually better to eat the corpse since opening a tin may take many turns, and lizard corpses do not rot and never become old to cause sickness. Because of this, it is wise to keep at least one lizard corpse in your inventory." 23:57:19 now i just have to decide on a pet to put it on 23:57:38 And it functions as emergency food! 23:57:39 hmm 23:57:44 Sgeo: okay dammit i'll get one later 23:57:48 right now, can you help me drop stuff? 23:57:54 how heavy is the cloak? 23:58:01 I have no idea 23:58:21 rusty knife can go 23:58:26 spear any use? 23:59:25 I have no idea