00:00:07 ok, well, any suggestions for the mines? 00:00:12 No clue 00:00:19 Don't let the fountain in Minetown dry up 00:00:30 And you may or may not want to buy candles at the lighting shop 00:00:33 Why? 00:00:36 Also, mines, not minetown. 00:00:39 You'll need 7 candles eventually 00:02:19 I meant fountain. 00:02:21 Sgeo: I'm missing a cat. 00:02:44 do gecko corpses spoil? 00:02:56 Don't know, but they don't count as lizard corpses 00:03:52 DNA 00:04:01 And not in some weird NSFW sense 00:04:19 looks useless 00:04:29 YOu'd hitchhike without a towel? 00:04:36 no, but i'm not hitchhiking 00:04:44 And you're reference-failing 00:04:56 i know what you are referencing 00:05:09 There is a reason I'm referencing it 00:05:31 Although one of the uses is covered by the blindfold 00:05:40 You can also clean your hands (I think) or your face 00:05:48 yeah, but ... 00:06:11 Don't eat it if you didn't see it die 00:06:34 is eating gnome corpses cannibalism? 00:06:39 I have no idea 00:06:41 Sorry 00:09:21 -!- derdon has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 00:10:19 Sgeo: are these gems worth anything at all 00:10:24 or are they junk 00:10:28 should i test them? 00:10:41 Yes, but even then, I doubt you need them that much 00:10:49 Just keep the known valuables 00:10:52 I guess 00:11:32 Make sure valuable green cal also engrave 00:11:42 In case having written in the dust already causes weirdness 00:11:53 hm? 00:11:58 i tested that one 00:11:58 ages ago 00:12:00 in sokoban 00:12:18 What if, if there's writing in the dust, all gems will then write in the dust, making some of the tests you just did worthlesS? 00:12:29 gas spore, uh oh 00:13:09 peaceful white unicorn! 00:13:26 Yes 00:13:29 That's what gems are for 00:13:41 ? 00:14:05 http://nethack.wikia.com/wiki/Unicorn#Unicorns_and_gems 00:14:18 Sting is among the weakest of artifacts. If you touch it, even if you are of the wrong alignment, it will not blast you unless you are an orc. For all purposes, Sting is only a normal elven dagger, except that it happens to do more damage to orcs and that it cuts through all webs. 00:14:19 sweet 00:14:29 XD 00:15:33 Sgeo: meh 00:15:37 Sgeo: does that stuff actually matter at all? 00:15:45 I'd say Luck matters a lot 00:15:50 There may also be other uses for gems 00:15:57 i'm doing well with terrible luck 00:16:02 anyway i have valuable gems, so there we go 00:16:05 should i throw them at a unicorn? 00:16:17 Ask #nethack 00:18:56 how do i show my points in the status bar? 00:19:06 An option perhaps? 00:19:14 probably 00:19:16 whoa 4 viewers 00:20:37 oh lord 00:21:36 Sgeo: is it wise to kill one of those gnomes to eat their corpse, do you think? 00:21:46 Note your HP 00:22:14 Don't you have a food ration? 00:22:17 one 00:22:23 i'm waiting until i'm weak, no? 00:22:26 if i can get this gnome corpse 00:22:28 Hmm, I guess 00:22:32 then i can save the ration 00:23:21 Wow, that was unfilling 00:23:22 i'm still hungry 00:23:24 but it's bought me some time 00:27:03 -!- relet has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 00:27:51 Sgeo: how am i doing XD 00:28:04 Very pit-ily 00:28:10 -!- zeotrope has joined. 00:28:12 Sgeo: no but seriously now. 00:28:17 *shrug* 00:28:25 i avoided exploring that area due to the low light :P 00:28:30 You still have no reflection 00:28:35 not necessarily 00:28:40 Erm, no automatic reflection 00:28:54 b + a potion of full healing 00:29:20 -!- zeotrope has changed nick to vibhajja. 00:29:21 hell. yeah. 00:29:25 *hells. 00:29:53 Is that an altar or a fluke? 00:30:01 There should be guaranteed altar in Minetown 00:30:10 wall 00:30:19 -!- vibhajja has quit (Client Quit). 00:30:20 -!- Gregor-P has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 00:31:21 DOAS is on the Plane of Water 00:31:30 -!- Gregor-P has joined. 00:31:33 yep 00:31:39 -!- Behold has joined. 00:31:48 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Disconnected by services). 00:31:54 -!- Behold has changed nick to BeholdMyGlory. 00:32:03 I was about to recommend against that 00:32:19 how long until daos ascends? 00:32:37 FUUU 00:32:41 Wait, what just happened? 00:32:46 What did you just do? 00:32:49 Sgeo: I tried to swap my cloak. 00:32:53 It's cursed. 00:32:54 So I can't. 00:32:54 Oh, ok 00:33:08 studded leather armor any good? 00:33:09 I thought you put on the amulet and it was something you really wanted to take off 00:33:11 *shrug* 00:33:38 There is a 82 in 964, or ~8.5%, chance that a randomly spawned armor object will be studded leather armor. 00:33:47 that sounds like good armor 00:33:51 if it's that rare 00:34:04 i can drop the small shield, can't i? 00:34:12 I don't know 00:34:21 Have I ever mentioned that I never ascended? 00:34:56 i'm nowhere near ascending 00:38:32 -!- Flonk has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.8/20100722155716]). 00:38:56 -!- zeotrope has joined. 00:41:41 Ooh, flute 00:42:40 sparkle is confused from hunger 00:42:46 will it eat eggs? :P 00:43:21 I wouldn't throw the egg 00:43:21 Sgeo: daos astral 00:43:25 I see 00:43:41 what? 00:43:58 I'm watching DOAS now 00:46:46 I just found out about travel 00:46:51 why didn't you tell me about this before :P 00:47:40 I tried 00:48:04 :P 00:48:07 Sgeo: dlvl 7, woot 00:48:19 wish ais was here to tell me how badly i'm doing :D 00:50:26 Sgeo: My pet strategy: "Okay, let's split up; I'll meet you later." 00:50:39 Sgeo: a shop! 00:50:42 And they'll KILL YOU IN REVENGE FOR THE DEAD FELIXES 00:50:47 Minetown? 00:50:58 maybe 00:51:00 looks like mines to me 00:51:07 ± a tree 00:51:13 that does not look like a tree 00:51:23 It's green 00:51:31 There is an altar on minetown 00:51:44 If it's coaligned, you'll be able to make holy water 00:51:46 If you get some water 00:51:57 here's a fountain 00:52:04 how do i uncurse my shit? 00:52:06 or is that at an altar 00:52:27 Fountain might have a chance, but at altar you can make holy water 00:52:33 And check BUC of that amulet 00:52:42 ok 00:52:50 Well, holy water only if altar is coaligned 00:53:36 anything i can do with the fountain? 00:54:18 Sorry, not paying attention >.> 00:54:34 watch captain 00:54:35 lol 00:54:53 alise, did you anger the watch captain? 00:54:58 both of them, yep 00:55:04 my pet started killing a watch person 00:55:05 so i helped 00:55:06 now ... this 00:55:10 am i fucked? 00:55:19 Check HP 00:55:22 63 00:55:31 RIP one of my pets 00:55:33 RIP Felix 00:55:52 Sgeo: praying time soon 00:56:10 Sgeo: will zapping that wand i have help? 01:00:49 Sgeo: how do you engrave id again? 01:01:01 Write some junk in the dust 01:01:06 (with your finger) 01:01:10 Then write using the wand 01:01:15 Be aware that you may go blind 01:01:57 The bugs on the floor speed up! 01:01:58 Wand of Seed Monster 01:02:00 *Speed 01:02:01 speed 01:02:28 Cold 01:03:06 That's all of the wands? 01:03:10 Yep. 01:03:21 Can I ID those potions somehow? 01:03:24 Without quaffing them. 01:05:32 No idea, a shop might help slightly 01:14:39 -!- MizardX has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 01:29:41 -!- coppro has left (?). 01:29:58 -!- coppro has joined. 01:32:39 -!- sftp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:51:40 hi coppro 01:52:39 Sgeo: are tins any useful? 01:52:41 *any good? 01:52:42 for food 01:52:50 Depends what's in it 01:52:53 mm 01:52:54 nevermind 01:52:56 Don't eat while hallucinating 01:53:10 Otherwise you can't tell a cockatrice tin from lizard 01:53:19 XD 01:53:22 And let's just say cockatrice meat isn't that tasty 01:55:59 Sgeo: cursed scrolls are a bit useless, right? 01:56:06 K - a cursed wand of striking 01:56:11 that's *definitely* useless ... yeah? 01:56:32 Um 01:56:40 You've used it before, haven't you? 01:56:59 well. yeah 01:56:59 cursed wands usually don't do much different 01:57:19 cursed striking is certainly fine 01:57:23 DOAS ascended 01:57:38 coppro: well, /you/ suggest how to lighten my load :) 01:58:01 Sgeo: link to the victorydump? 01:58:11 http://alt.org/nethack/userdata/DeathOnAStick/dumplog/1264355342.nh343.txt 01:58:30 lol >< 02:00:54 coppro: hmm 02:01:01 a cursed amulet is us... no, i can cleanse it 02:01:05 are daggers heavy? 02:01:27 apparently not 02:01:31 -!- FireFly has quit (Quit: swatted to death). 02:01:35 -!- Wamanuz2 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:01:55 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:03:24 Okay, seriously, I need to drop something. 02:08:43 I thought I figured out a good self-imposed challenge in You Have to Burn the Rope, but it's actually impossible that way, I think 02:09:52 you have to burn the rope has /any/ challenges? 02:10:09 If you don't use the easy route to the rope... 02:10:18 But the hard route seems impossible, not just hard 02:11:03 Sgeo: any tips for lightening my load? 02:11:11 also, any way other than a BoH to get more space in my huge pokcets? 02:11:13 *pockets? 02:11:24 Sorry 02:11:29 Um, don't carry lodestones 02:11:35 Am I? 02:12:41 I don't think so 02:12:51 Ask #nethack ? 02:12:59 i've asked them enough >_> 02:13:06 alise: All that exists is that you have to burn the rope. 02:13:19 i know that 02:13:22 Oh, and the axes that don't do anything. 02:13:31 YHTBTR difficulty idea: Stay in range of Grinning Colossus for 5min without getting hit once 02:13:31 pikhq: you should totally tell me to lose some items 02:13:35 Then burn the rope 02:14:41 Sgeo: Moot point; you can't die. 02:15:15 Yes, but reset the mental counter when you get it 02:15:17 *hit 02:15:37 so basically you're inventing your own game 02:15:37 -!- nooga has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:16:05 Valid, but yeah... 02:17:12 pikhq: telnet termcast.org 02:17:14 select alise 02:17:18 help me be able to work smoothly :P 02:17:23 ...or ELSEIF 02:18:56 whoa, i have five viewers 02:20:26 I may watch SGU now 02:20:31 Sgeo: are my diluted potions useful? 02:20:36 -!- nooga has joined. 02:20:43 Don't get them wet again unless you want water 02:20:43 coppro: here, you're my new official executive advisor >.> 02:20:57 Although they may be less effective diluted, I think 02:21:07 basically i need to drop shit. 02:24:44 alise: #quit 02:25:47 coppro: why. 02:25:54 i'm doing well 02:26:55 Narrowly escaped the wraith of the watch 02:26:56 because I'm a good corrupt executive advisor. 02:27:29 coppro: you should have seen it, i had tons of people in #nethack guiding me through every turn 02:27:32 i killed a watchman 02:27:37 then ended up fighting the watch captains 02:27:40 escaped a floor up 02:27:41 regained hp 02:27:43 went down 02:27:46 ran past the watch as fast as i could 02:27:48 went into a shop 02:27:55 spent ages /trying to steal things/ and failing 02:27:57 finally stole something 02:27:59 got out 02:28:06 ran all the way around to the shop, gaggle of watch on my trail 02:28:14 then with something like 18 HP left 02:28:17 paid back the shopkeeper 02:28:22 and spammed elbereth to keep the q off me 02:28:27 (the paying back the shopkeeper pacified the watch) 02:28:35 Panicked when shopkeeper said that e was after blood, not money 02:28:37 i was a turn or two away from death 02:28:46 Hey, is shk now letting you in the store? 02:28:50 There may be some markup 02:28:56 oh yeah, i attacked the shk by mistake :D 02:28:59 Sgeo: hm? 02:29:18 You read: 02:29:18 "ElberethElbercthElberethElberethElbere?hElbercthEl?erethElberetwElberethE?bKre 02:29:18 thElberetqElberWthElberc?h|lberetnE 02:29:18 beretrE?be?ethEl5?reth[lbcrethElberet?".--More-- 02:29:27 Try chatting 02:29:32 Hm 02:29:38 nothing's changed 02:29:41 i paid him back 02:29:48 And he's not angry, huh 02:29:54 i paid him back, why would he be angry! 02:30:03 Because he was after blood 02:30:05 Where's Izchat? 02:30:09 *Izchak? 02:30:13 izchak? 02:30:19 he was only after blood because i hit him 02:30:21 Lighting store owner 02:30:21 then i settled with money 02:30:25 lighting store? 02:30:29 Candles and stuff 02:30:34 Maybe a lamp which may be magic 02:30:35 where is that? 02:30:44 Should be Minetown I think 02:31:19 The Absurd tileset would have NSFW imagery right here 02:31:30 the one on http://nethack.wikia.com/wiki/Incubus? 02:32:01 Uh, not that the default tileset is SFW, I guess 02:32:34 oh yeah, i'm female 02:32:37 The incubus murmurs in your ear, while helping you undress.--More-- 02:32:41 "Shall I remove your cloak, lover?" [yn] (n) 02:32:46 yes! 02:32:47 it's cursed 02:32:59 if an incubus removes stuff do you get to keep it? 02:33:02 There may be some negative effects to sex 02:33:05 yes, I think 02:33:21 i'll just let him undress me then 02:33:32 Time stands still while you and the incubus lie in each other's arms...--More-- 02:33:35 The incubus seems to have enjoyed it more than you...--More-- 02:33:36 You feel drained of energy.--More-- 02:33:39 The incubus takes 615 zorkmids for services rendered!--More-- 02:33:44 Prostitute :| 02:33:57 feel "drained of energy;" lose all your power and reduce maximum by 1-10; abuse constitution. 02:34:01 that's not so good 02:34:04 otoh, did do me a service 02:34:24 Sgeo: is ascending to get to that leather armor in lieu of chain mail a good idea? 02:34:30 I don't know 02:36:58 alise kicks dogs 02:38:49 uh oh 02:38:51 food poisoning 02:39:42 vomiting from eating tripe, a rotten egg, or in SporkHack, drinking a potion of salt water. This is quite unreliable, but it's there. 02:39:43 ooh 02:39:44 i have an old egg 02:39:47 worth a try, right? 02:40:22 FoodPois is preventable 02:40:30 yes, but it's also too late 02:40:34 so let's work on cures right now 03:14:46 -!- alise has quit (Quit: Leaving). 03:14:47 -!- nooga has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 03:18:58 -!- jcp has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 03:23:21 -!- jcp has joined. 03:25:01 someone! 03:25:04 completethis sequence 03:25:08 pirates, ninjas, zombies, ... 03:31:31 robots. 03:39:17 anything else? :\ 03:40:46 gremlins. 03:40:53 bah 03:41:19 ghosts 03:41:26 bah! 03:41:48 aliens 03:57:58 -!- zzo38 has joined. 04:13:36 -!- sshc_ has joined. 04:16:34 -!- sshc has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 04:17:23 -!- sshc_ has changed nick to sshc. 04:24:08 I have found some problem compute !x without using ! (in C). Legal ops: ~ & ^ | + << >> 04:24:30 I did this way, but I don't know if it is consider as cheating: (1&(1< !c printf("%d\n", 1<<1000); 04:27:04 0 04:28:18 -!- wareya has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 04:29:01 -!- wareya has joined. 04:33:40 * oerjan isn't sure if there is a better way 04:39:12 oh! 04:39:49 !c printf("\001PING\001\n"); 04:40:30 you _must_ use << or >> for this, because none of the other operations can make the LSB depend on any non-LSB of x 04:41:06 Of course there are other ways that don't involve variables on the right side, but those ways are longer. 04:41:15 (1&(1< in fact only + can communicate between different bit positions, but only towards more significant bits 04:41:52 (of the rest) 04:42:37 um and can those ways be made independent of bitsize? 04:43:01 * oerjan has some doubts there 04:43:07 I don't think the longer ways are independent of bitsize, as far as I know 04:43:28 then i say your solution is best :) 04:43:56 although i don't know c enough to know if << with a right side > bitsize is portable.. 04:44:05 * >= bitsize 04:44:29 I don't know either 04:47:05 -!- ski has joined. 04:52:29 -!- GreaseMonkey has joined. 05:09:28 oerjan: it is undefined behaviour, so it is not portable 05:09:42 aw 05:09:55 well as suspected i guess 05:14:40 k&r says "The result is undefined if the right operand is negative, or greater than 05:14:43 or equal to the number of bits in the left expression's type. 05:14:47 " 05:16:24 hm this might mean that there _is_ no portable solution for zzo38's problem 05:17:01 What's zzo38's problem? 05:17:16 one page up 05:20:22 given x, x|=x>>1; x|=x>>2; x|=x>>4; ... x|=x>>16; x|=x<<1; x|=x<<2; ... x|=x<<16; x+1; 05:20:41 of course not that concise, but it will work 05:21:15 lifthrasiir: how is that portable? note by that i include unknown bitsize 05:21:43 oerjan, then that would be slightly harder 05:21:48 hmm 05:21:55 also i imagined it should be a single expression. and , is not allowed. 05:21:55 Any portable way to determine bitsize? 05:22:11 or assignment operators 05:22:40 -!- Gregor-P has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 05:24:42 i guess it's a _little_ vague what you're allowed to use beside operators :) 05:25:49 oerjan, so is there any simpler way to map non-zeroes and zero to two different values? ;) 05:26:11 if we have multiplication operator available then that may be possible though... 05:26:38 well.. what do _those_ do on overflow... 05:27:01 aargh 05:27:05 for that matter even + isn't safe with signed types, i hear 05:27:45 any possible overflow leads to the undefined behavior in ISO C, right? 05:28:04 (i don't have a copy of the specification right now) 05:28:13 * oerjan doesn't really know these things 05:29:22 i'm just sort of assuming that anything that can reasonably be interpreted in different ways is undefined 05:33:18 have you looked here http://graphics.stanford.edu/~seander/bithacks.html 05:36:43 zeotrope: I already have that page open right now, actually. 05:38:30 Are you sure about the overflow leading to undefined behavior? For adding and subtracting, overflow should not result in undefined behavior, as long as you don't use some strange representation with -0 and +0 seperate, but none of that is used anymore 05:38:44 For multiplication and division, there might be undefined, maybe??? 05:39:52 (Some of the things in the bithacks.html I will first think of it myself before following the link and then see if my way is same or not) 05:40:40 zzo38: i recall addition and subtraction overflow are undefined for _signed_ values, but not for unsigned ones (those are guaranteed to behave as operators wrt. a modulus iiuc) 05:43:12 "Unsigned integers, declared using the keyword unsigned, obey the laws of arithmetic modulo 05:43:14 2n where n is the number of bits in the representation, and thus arithmetic on unsigned 05:43:18 quantities can never overflow. 05:44:25 that's: 2^n 05:44:53 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Thought so. Later...). 05:51:17 Why is the description for SDL_Color in English and French? (Does it belong to the Government of Canada????) 05:55:34 I think the Canadian version is named SDL_Colour :P 05:56:58 Yes you are right, if it does belong to the Government of Canada they would do that 05:59:00 zeotrope: And LSMD_Couleur. 06:00:50 it is strange though, only that page has french translation 06:05:57 * Sgeo tries changing the font from Fixedsys to Dejavu Sans Mono 06:06:04 I'm not sure if I actually like this 06:09:22 Sgeo: tried inconsolata? 06:11:16 If I remember, I'll try it tomorrow 06:28:12 Why does SDL require video in the main thread? 06:30:30 Is there some way to make it work in a separate thread? 06:53:07 -!- Sgeo_ has joined. 06:54:02 Most of those event-driven GUI systems also want you to only touch the GUI objects in the GUI thread. 06:54:51 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 07:02:59 I want to do it in a separate thread so that it can emulate the DOS screen. 07:03:32 So, you want a framebuffer. Have the main thread blit it. 07:07:15 No. I want it that the main program can write to the array and then the video program will read it after every frame and redraw the tiles 07:07:38 Just do all SDL-related work in a single thread. 07:07:59 If it for some reason has to be the "main" one, do the "main program" work in some other one. 07:08:09 ... So you want a framebuffer written from one thread and read from a different one. 07:08:23 :P 07:09:01 And that if you write it not synchronized properly, it will even cause flashy stuff like as if you have like a QBASIC program: DO : LOCATE 1,1 : ? CHR$(219); : LOCATE 1,1 : ? CHR$(32); : LOOP 07:10:13 Well, don't add any mutexes or such in, then. 07:31:53 zzo38: why did you choose to use square brackets to denote sets in hyper set language? 07:32:11 conventionally curly brackets are used 07:33:31 zeotrope: Well, I just did. In esoteric programming it doesn't really matter though..... It can be designed to use whatever kind of brackets you want it to use, whether it is conventional or not. 07:43:26 Is this optimized? *p++=((charset[b*14+a]>>@4)<<7)+c; 07:43:32 Is it even correct? 07:44:12 I suppose there is still a problem, it does not deal with blinking text (as in CGA text mode) 07:46:09 is that an @? 07:46:54 zeotrope: Yes there is a @ sign in there, the @ signs indicate Enhanced CWEB commands. @4 is the command for how many times this chunk has been used in the program before 07:47:43 I thought I missed a C operator :) 07:49:04 zeotrope: You didn't miss a C operator. The at sign is not a C operator. 07:50:06 ya, I got that, it's a CWEB feature 07:50:36 zeotrope: It is not a feature in normal CWEB, some features are specific to Enhanced CWEB only. 07:51:17 I don't know much about CWEB except that it is knuth's literate C 07:52:54 Other @ commands include: @= is verbatim text, @ space is start new section, @* is start new section in table of contents, @^ is index entry, @3 is chunk parameter, @d is a C preprocessor macro automatically moved to the top, @i is include file, @m defines a metamacro, @- invokes a metamacro, @r is a make rule, @< is a chunk name, there are more 07:53:35 seems useful 07:54:09 especially the LaTeX support 07:54:19 The ones which are specific to Enhanced CWEB are: @r @m @- @) @3 @4 @$ 07:54:41 zeotrope: Enhanced CWEB does not use LaTeX though, it uses Plain TeX only. 07:56:51 how does it compare to tools that are language agnostic like noweb 07:57:50 Enhanced CWEB contains many specific features for C programming, so it is useful for C programming (it can also be used with C++). 07:58:03 I have written a language agnostic tool as well, though, called "yesweb". 07:58:33 (Have you used noweb?) 07:59:12 no 07:59:53 Have you used yesweb? 07:59:55 I'm probably going to try it (someday) though 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:00:22 nope, never used it either 08:00:42 the only literate programming I've done was in literate haskell 08:00:44 I wrote yesweb entirely in TeX. 08:01:11 link? 08:01:25 zeotrope: And Literate Haskell is sort of a fake kind of literate programming, in a way 08:01:44 http://sprunge.us/WYAa (yesweb.tex) 08:02:31 As you might be able to see, it involves category codes a lot. 08:03:40 suprisingly small and readable 08:04:38 The \catcode32=9\endlinechar=-1 allows you to write more readable programs in TeX. 08:04:52 zzo38: Literate Haskell is more something that *can be used* for literate programming. 08:05:02 Because that is the command to make whitespace insignificant. 08:05:34 Of course, you could just use it for something headache-inducing, like having two seperate programs in a single file, instead. 08:05:37 I've always thought programming in TeX involved some sadism 08:05:54 zeotrope: Only minor amounts. 08:10:06 There are a few strangeness compared from other program language, because TeX is a typesetting system, but it can still be done, as you can see the codes. 08:11:04 -!- tombom has joined. 08:11:09 yesweb does both tangle and weave in the same time. If you run TeX with it, it will perform both operations. 08:11:12 -!- MizardX has joined. 08:11:53 And people often say my programs are surprisingly small. So therefore it is not that much surprise...... 08:15:41 portability is a concern when using such tools 08:15:57 I guess you could extract the source first 08:18:56 Enhanced CWEB consists of three programs, CTANGLE, CWEAVE, CSPIDER. (CSPIDER can be used instead of makefiles. It processes the same .w files as the other programs do, but ignores anything other than @r commands) (Except that @m @- @i are processed by the preprepreprocessor, which is common to all three programs.) 08:19:47 CWEAVE prints out lines with @r as verbatim text in a box, but with an integral sign at the left, so that you know it is a make rule instead of a C code. 08:21:33 -!- coppro has quit (Changing host). 08:21:33 -!- coppro has joined. 08:21:33 -!- coppro has quit (Changing host). 08:21:33 -!- coppro has joined. 08:28:17 -!- coppro has quit (Quit: Reconnecting). 08:28:19 -!- coppro_ has joined. 08:29:04 -!- olsner has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 08:29:34 -!- coppro_ has changed nick to coppro. 08:29:52 -!- coppro has quit (Changing host). 08:29:52 -!- coppro has joined. 08:41:55 -!- olsner has joined. 08:43:25 But metamacro codes are seem somewhat like TECO or Cthulhu.194 08:45:48 (Cthulhu.194 is IRC server script, in case you didn't know) 08:49:45 -!- FireFly has joined. 08:51:41 zzo38: could you please explain how this computes successors of a number: {#|[#]} 08:53:08 Yes. # is the number, so that means the set containing all elements of # and also # itself. 08:53:22 This is often how natural numbers are expressed using sets. 08:53:35 Is that explanation good enough? 08:53:48 so, {#|[#]} 5 = {5,5} ? 08:54:34 Yes 08:54:47 No 08:54:55 which is the multiset {{5} {5,2}} 08:54:58 That is not quite right 08:55:47 In set notation, it is 0={} 1={0} 2={0,1}={{},{{}}} 3={0,1,2}={{},{{}},{{},{{}}}} etc 08:56:14 I am sure there is some Wikipedia page explaining this way of representing natural numbers as sets. 08:56:37 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set-theoretic_definition_of_natural_numbers 08:57:01 Yes, that one. 08:57:02 oh ok, so it is basically that definition 08:58:48 It is also described in section 6.2.1 of [[Natural number]] 09:25:36 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 09:37:44 -!- zeotrope has quit (Quit: leaving). 09:39:41 -!- Vorpal has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 09:41:35 -!- sftp has joined. 09:42:30 -!- Vorpal has joined. 09:46:14 -!- derdon has joined. 09:46:53 -!- cheater109 has joined. 09:47:58 -!- cheater1 has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 10:33:14 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 10:36:08 -!- zeotrope has joined. 11:33:31 -!- GreaseMonkey has quit (Quit: New quit message. 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Clones, you see. 14:40:50 nethack.ubiquitous.eu.org, in a list of NetHack servers; supposedly administrated by you. 14:40:58 Yes, I ran one for a while. 14:40:59 Dead, naturally. 14:41:27 fizzie: But ow, look how *ugly* the site is: http://www.nethack.de/ 14:41:40 You should sue them for defamation by association with horrible web design. 14:41:52 I remember seeing it before; it is indeed remarkably ugly. 14:42:24 * alise concludes that he has no idea which server "NEU" is. 14:42:39 "You are visitor No. Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 41943040 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 67 bytes) in /home/rg40226web1/public_html/nethack.de/htdocs/counter.phtml on line 94 since the launch of www.nethack.de in September 1999" 14:42:43 That's an interesting number. 14:43:27 it's from the generalisation of the surreal numbers 14:43:36 it's hard to find something that /isn't/ a number there... 14:44:09 I don't know about NEU; but NAO had an EC2 instance in Europe, I'm not sure if it's still up. 14:44:31 Perhaps they meant that. Hmm. 14:44:43 Eh, what's wrong with just running NetHack locally and sending it to termcast in realtime? 14:44:58 It's just the same for everyone watching, unless you think I've managed to cheat and /still/ do that badly. 14:44:59 You don't get other people's bones. (Well, unless you run Hearse.) 14:45:15 Do I really care, though? :p 14:45:25 And there's the score tables, and they've got some useful patches pre-applied. 14:45:36 Yes, but, but, the LAG! 14:45:36 And permanent-ish logs of all the mistakes you make. :p 14:48:16 Heh, that's some hitpoints: 14:48:16 Milleria the Mage St:18 Dx:25 Co:16 In:25 Wi:25 Ch:18 Chaotic S:116620402 14:48:17 Astral Plane $:0 HP:1098643358(1098643358) Pw:454878184(454878184) AC:-121 Exp:30 T:591084 14:48:55 fizzie: did you see DeathOnAStick's ascension? 14:49:12 watching someone blow a magic whistle for about 30 minutes nonstop has never been so mind-numbingly bori^W^Wfun 14:49:16 No, but I sort-of followed the summary here. 14:49:31 giants hate picking up bags, it seems 14:55:55 For time-wasting fun, I sometimes read the bottom end of http://alt.org/nethack/topdeaths.html 14:56:36   killed by a fire elemental of Chih Sung-tzu, while praying 14:56:57 haha: killed by a tiger, while vomiting 14:57:12 "killed by a hallucinogen-distorted hobbit, while unconscious from rotten food" 14:57:18 Very elaborate, sometimes. 14:57:33 Also: sounds like quite a party1 14:57:36 s/1/!/ 14:58:20 I know you can tame Pestilence; what about the other three? 14:58:40 See, I'm just imagining someone ascending with the four horsemen of the apocalypse... 14:59:07 I'd guess the others are equally tamable. 14:59:16 Sweeeeeet 15:07:06 They all have the same level (30); I'm not sure what else would affect the resist() check there. 15:07:26 (Incidentally, the mail daemon demon is level 56.) 15:08:29 -!- tombom has joined. 15:13:29 Actually, I'm not sure if you can tame Death. 15:13:56 The magic resistance of all the riders means you can't tame them with magical means normally, except until after you've level-drained them enough. But Death is drain-resistant. 15:14:27 Hey, I got IBMgraphics in xterm. 15:15:17 I used to play with IBMgraphics through one of them filters, I don't recall what it was. There were some half-solutions that did walls and such right, but not completely everything. 15:15:24 I'm using konwert. 15:15:30 But, uh, I like DECgraphics perfectly well. 15:15:48 Interestingly, konwert doesn't break DECgraphics. 15:17:17 Oh, right, the rogue level with IBMgraphics on was problematic in some systems. I think konwert is what I used, too. 15:20:44 http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20071229043809/nethack/images/8/8d/Xterm-ibm-oracle.png 15:20:46 Yay halfintegrals 15:25:01 -!- augur has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 15:25:20 -!- augur has joined. 15:30:54 -!- Killerkid has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 15:33:44 -!- cpressey has joined. 15:36:59 "Famine and Pestilence can be tamed by draining some levels from them and then repeatedly casting charm monster. -- Death is immune to level drain, and hence cannot be tamed in this way." Aw. 15:38:03 -!- Mathnerd314 has joined. 15:43:24 -!- Killerkid has joined. 15:50:13 (There appears to be a Slash'EM workaround. And even in NetHack you can green-slime Death to get a tame "the green slime formerly known as Death" (maybe you could name it that), but it's still not the same.) 15:59:15 -!- Flonk has joined. 15:59:22 g'day 16:09:23 mate 16:36:31 alise, you can't tame yourself! 16:36:37 eh? 16:36:57 I know you can tame Pestilence; what about the other three? 16:37:16 (There appears to be a Slash'EM workaround. And even in NetHack you can green-slime Death to get a tame "the green slime formerly known as Death" (maybe you could name it that), but it's still not the same.) 16:37:21 can you change that back into death? 16:37:37 You said other three, presumably riders 16:37:50 yes 16:37:51 and? 16:38:04 At that point in the game, you are War. 16:38:41 There's just Death, Famine and Pestilence you could tame. And apparently Death is a no go too. 16:39:06 Famine and Pestilence can both be tamed 16:41:21 Sgeo_: what channel? 16:41:37 fizzie: you become war? awesome 16:41:47 Well, it's pretty implied. 16:41:58 But monst.c has a comment: /* Riders -- the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse ("War" == player) */ 16:42:16 Sgeo_: termcast the game 16:42:53 Sgeo_: script -f >(echo 'hello Sgeo ' | nc -q5 noway.ratry.ru 31337 >/dev/null) 16:42:57 Sgeo_: then just "nethack" 16:43:12 unless it's on NAO 16:43:26 I'm on NAO, but not this second 16:43:27 Hold on 16:43:46 Ok, I'm on NAO 16:43:48 connected 16:43:52 you're not very far in the game :P 16:43:58 even less far than me >_> 16:44:03 otoh you have more useful stuff 16:44:04 from the looks of it 16:44:13 The Slash'EM workaround for a tame Death seems to be to polyself into a "genetic engineer", which can hit people and cause a temporary polymorph ("undergo a freakish metamorphosis"); then you whack Death, tame the resulting critter, and it'll revert back to a tame Death. 16:44:28 v - a cursed rusty pearl ring named noncursed 16:44:33 fizzie: so ... can you tame green-slime death then polymorph him into death? 16:44:36 Sgeo_: lol 16:44:55 alise, it does make sense to call your soft gems soft 16:45:05 Sorry about that 16:45:09 ? 16:45:10 You can't polymorph things into Death, I don't think. 16:45:22 fizzie: bah 16:45:28 In case you pick up another gem, you'll instantly see whether it's soft 16:46:07 How'd that spellbook get blanked :( 16:46:12 * Sgeo_ growls 16:46:31 -!- cpressey has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 16:47:36 alise, I'm scared of the throne room 16:47:47 Sgeo_: get a pet 16:47:51 go in there 16:47:53 conga line of death 16:47:54 easy 16:49:19 Sgeo_: or just go in there 16:49:19 -!- nooga has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 16:49:23 it's no biggie 16:49:26 you can easily flee 16:49:30 there's a staircase right next to it 16:50:06 don't go fully in mind, just let them see you 16:50:07 then tretreat out 16:50:11 *retreat 16:50:14 they'll follow, etc 16:50:16 *etc. 16:50:26 you can fight from there 16:50:58 Sgeo_: after killing the bugbear i'd retreat to get hp 16:51:02 oh come ON 16:51:06 you did not need to elbereth there 16:51:43 not going to 100.? 16:51:45 At least I have a nice door now 16:51:51 you're burdened, btw 16:52:08 -!- ineiros has quit (Quit: leaving). 16:52:10 i suggest 100. for restoring hp :P 16:52:21 lol at hefty lichen corpse 16:52:40 lichen corpse that broke the adventurer's back 16:53:15 you're a coward :D 16:53:22 go up there and fight melee like a man 16:53:34 WTF am I killing/ 16:53:36 lol 16:53:40 who knows, but stop it 16:53:48 it isn't helping :P 16:53:49 -!- ineiros has joined. 16:54:14 call a spade a spade 16:54:18 call a murky potion momentary vision 16:54:42 Thanks Rodney-bot! 16:54:50 Sgeo_: 100., run in 16:54:52 problem solved 16:54:59 don't retreat to 100., that's what COWARDS do. 16:55:02 uh 16:55:04 HP,man 16:55:07 *HP, man 16:55:10 I'd 100. :P 16:55:20 okayyy 16:56:01 I just realized I don't need to be in the throne room 16:56:54 are you scared of melee or something :D 16:57:28 Yes! 16:57:32 now the idea would be to loot the box and sit on the throne ... 16:57:40 -!- ais523 has joined. 16:57:42 hi ais523 16:58:01 hi alise 16:58:10 ais523: I got on the /really/ bad side of the Minetown Watch with bad luck and somehow still survived. 16:58:20 Oooh, wand 16:58:40 alise: impressive 16:58:49 alise, remind me that my gem collection is on entrance to sokoban? 16:58:53 Sgeo_: Okay. 16:59:08 ais523: One of my numerous pets started attacking a watchman, so I decided to help it. Bad idea. The whole watch starts chasing me, I fight them in vain, lose a few pets, flee upstairs. Ask #nethack. A plan is formed. 16:59:53 alise, crud you 16:59:57 ais523: After I restore my HP, I go back down, and sneak into the general store, taking quite a bit of damage from the watch while I'm at it. I try, numerous times, to steal something, failing each time and at one point digging out of the store. Finally, I manage to steal something, and escape the store. 17:00:22 ais523: I scramble to get back into the shop, running away from the Watch, and accidentally attack him. I try to pay; he wants blood, but he settles for my money, which I give him. 17:00:39 ais523: This pacifies the Watch completely. I spam Elbereth to defend myself from the nearby q, then wait five billion turns to get my HP back. 17:00:45 Only one of my pets survived. 17:00:46 THE END 17:00:49 Sgeo_: Eh! 17:00:54 Sgeo_: It can't be too bad, can it? :P 17:00:59 >.> 17:01:05 Thank Magicbane it wasn't! 17:01:16 Erm 17:01:26 Don't know if Magicbane blocked it, or was the target 17:01:28 ais523: tl;dr if the watch is angry because you killed one of them, steal a bunch of shit from a shop, destroy its walls, attack the shopkeeper, and then give him a bit of money; they'll like you again. 17:01:42 Sgeo_: Malignant aura, so presumably Magicbane is damaged. 17:01:46 alise: did you figure that trick out for yourself? or find it in a spoiler? 17:01:46 >.> <.< 17:01:58 ais523: #nethack devised it as a plan, but there was a fair bit of improv from me 17:02:09 and magicbane has a 95% resistance to curses when wielded 17:02:12 ais523, You feel a malignant aura surround the magic-absorbing blade. 17:02:22 #nethack said "steal from a shop then pay it back"; after that, it was basically trying various ways to steal 17:02:23 that means it wasn't affected 17:02:25 I think 17:02:33 * alise goes on termcast 17:02:54 right now I'm at level 10 (thanks, incubus), got rid of that cursed stuff, am a bit low on food, and stuff. 17:02:56 still in the mines 17:03:09 "a piece of food (corpse named Shaggy Dog)" 17:03:11 RIP, kitten 17:03:27 Oh yeah, I'm in a pit, trying to get my new pet dog, Moof, to follow me. 17:03:53 ok, moof, come on, it's just a pit 17:03:54 walk over it 17:04:12 ais523: /can/ dogs get over pits? 17:04:39 I don't think so 17:04:46 if you have a pickaxe handy, you can dig round it 17:05:01 Soko time! 17:05:05 i don't, i have a wand of digging though 17:05:06 at this stage in the mines you should have a pickaxe, by the way 17:05:08 might that help? 17:05:12 coppro: noted; i don't 17:05:15 coppro: perhaps i'll find one 17:05:23 I can move diag in soko? 17:05:28 no 17:05:31 Sgeo_: a fruit? you're /boring/ 17:05:47 err wait... maybe you can if you don't move round anything>? 17:05:58 I forget 17:06:24 you can definitely move diagonally around enemies 17:06:36 ais523: can i dig around a pit with the wand of digging? I've never used it before 17:06:56 alise: yes, if you're not in the pit at the time 17:07:05 you only need to destroy one square orthogonally next to the pit 17:07:15 Moof is killed! You stop waiting. 17:07:17 and then pets can walk round 17:07:17 never mind 17:07:22 I should engrave-test 17:07:53 wtf, that corpse is recent 17:07:54 oh, no it isn't 17:07:56 food poisoning 17:08:02 i prayed ... pretty recently to cure food poisoning 17:08:06 any suggestions? >_< 17:08:17 (stupid things dying where a corpse already is and leaving no corpse) 17:08:25 unihorn? 17:09:13 alas, no. 17:09:17 my supplies are ... dismal 17:09:21 i'd get more, but it turns out minetown is shit. 17:09:27 the delicatessen had, like, three things in it! 17:09:33 uh 17:09:41 you're quite possibly screwed 17:09:53 coppro: nope 17:09:56 potions of full healing 17:10:03 oh 17:10:06 how the hell do i have 3, anyway? they were just lying around! 17:10:07 why don't you just drink one then 17:10:11 i forgot i had them 17:10:15 that'll cure the poisoning 17:10:24 you don't say 17:10:27 I have two wands, both of which are one of make invis/teleport/cancel 17:11:01 coppro: is there likely to be a pickaxe lying around? 17:11:18 * alise notes that Wooble is onto the endgame 17:11:32 A bear trap closes on your foot! 17:12:03 a harp 17:12:44 is it safe to apply it now to see whether it's magic? 17:12:48 or does it not last long enough? 17:12:50 * Sgeo_ is getting better at vi keys 17:13:55 so he is 17:14:08 alise: magic harps have charges 17:14:24 enough? 17:14:32 Wooble feels mildly hot. 17:14:52 everyone's criticising his gameplay in #nethack :D 17:15:30 You start playing the harp. The harp twangs. 17:15:30 darn 17:15:39 ais523: should i worry about being burdened? 17:15:51 alise: yes, it slows all your actions 17:15:54 Crud 17:16:00 by 25%, IIRC 17:16:03 Drop some gems? 17:16:07 that's quite a crippling penalty, if you think about it 17:16:39 ok then: **STASH on dlvl 8 mines, topleft corner 17:16:53 Sgeo_: do i /have/ gems? 17:17:03 ais523: what are rings good for? 17:17:06 i haven't used one once... 17:17:19 alise: they give permanent and minor benefits (or penalties) while worn 17:17:28 some are really dangerous, but most are moderately useful 17:17:42 Ah crap 17:18:00 ais523: the uncursed ones are all useful, right? 17:18:13 even detrimental rings can be uncursed 17:18:18 hmm 17:18:18 Sometimes the dangerous ones are unpredictable 17:18:21 any way to ID them? 17:18:22 but in that case, you can take them off again if you figure out they're dangerous 17:18:25 scroll of ID 17:18:27 You won't know it's dangerous until it's too late though 17:18:29 dropping duplicates down a sink 17:18:41 price-ID can help to some extent, but I normally don't bother 17:19:10 ais523: is it worth just stashing all my rings? 17:19:15 I don't know what my scrolls are 17:19:20 and i'm not using any of the rings 17:19:21 *I'm 17:19:28 stash rings if you aren't using them, yes 17:19:31 try to price-ID identify 17:19:57 ok, so price ID them in minetown first? 17:20:00 or? 17:20:09 i don't think there's anywhere selling rings in minetown ... 17:21:10 or will the general store id them? 17:23:07 ? 17:25:16 dcss makes me dizzy 17:25:18 Dear golum 17:25:25 Get away from the boulder 17:25:29 I wanna force bolt you 17:25:39 just fight it dammit 17:26:01 ty 17:27:27 w00t 17:28:29 i like how it's so boring that it walks around for you 17:29:05 I should probably go eat food now 17:29:06 IRL 17:29:47 -!- nooga has joined. 17:30:43 ais523: so, can i price-id rings in minetown? 17:31:03 if you find a shop that buys them, yes 17:31:06 and it isn't angry 17:31:08 general stores will work 17:31:26 ais523: amusingly, straight after that kerfuffle with the watch and the shop, the shk started liking me again 17:31:52 ais523: um ... can you connect to my termcast for a second? 17:31:53 yep, it's a bug exploit 17:31:59 i'm very close to YASD 17:32:07 i should not have attacked it without looking it up 17:32:14 ouch, leocrotta 17:32:19 draw the best-quality Elbereth you can 17:32:24 do you have a wand of fire handy? 17:32:28 ais523: i have a potion of full healing 17:32:33 that would be rather good to quaff with 3hp, right? 17:32:37 or lightning 17:32:38 or will it get to attack me before i quaff it? 17:32:39 yep, you'll last one turn agains it 17:32:41 *against it 17:32:46 and it's your turn now 17:32:49 so the quaffing will be the next thing that happens 17:33:00 I'm lasting more than one turn 17:33:04 heh, no longer burdened, so it can't hit you as quickly 17:33:06 *turn. 17:33:17 you could probably kill it from there, actually 17:33:24 i have a magic missile :P 17:33:29 and COLD 17:33:43 ooh 17:33:44 teleportation 17:33:49 that would be rather clever, right? 17:33:54 or should i save it? 17:35:05 What did alise attack? 17:35:14 leocrotta 17:35:23 ais523: so, what should I do? 17:35:28 are any of my wands useful? 17:35:56 There is a wiki page 17:36:02 Cold and teleport may both be useful 17:36:07 According to wiki 17:36:16 the leocrotta isn't /that/ dangerous 17:36:22 ais523: erm, i was almost full health 17:36:23 I hit it thrice 17:36:23 especially as you're on high HP 17:36:26 I was down to 3hp 17:36:26 ah 17:36:31 well, maybe four times 17:36:33 or five, but point is 17:36:36 yeah, it is dangerous to me 17:36:43 I'm not sure attack wands will hurt it more than just melee combat 17:36:43 and look at the armour i have 17:36:44 and excalibur 17:36:48 So Yeah. 17:37:03 ais523: ok, how's this idea: teleport a little way from it, zap it with my wand of magic thingy or cold 17:37:09 teleport isn't controlled 17:37:09 ah, cold 17:37:11 appears to be effective 17:37:11 you land somewhere at random 17:37:14 ais523: ah 17:37:19 ok, teleport, go close to it, zap it with cold 17:37:23 or should i zap it with cold now, then flee? 17:37:23 unless you have a ring of teleport control 17:37:29 I'd say zap first 17:37:49 that was easy 17:37:54 yep, it was injured from your attacks before 17:37:57 probably only had a few hp left 17:37:58 tasty corpse? 17:38:02 edible 17:38:11 they don't give any resistances or anything like that 17:38:27 fuck! 17:38:28 cockatrice 17:38:30 ewll 17:38:30 well 17:38:31 chickatrice 17:38:38 what do i have to do, avoid it? 17:38:42 i've forgotten 17:38:49 Do you have a dead lizard? 17:38:56 Like I keep reminding you about? 17:38:56 no.# 17:38:58 *no. 17:38:59 Sgeo_: look 17:39:04 if there were ANY DAMN LIZARDS around 17:39:06 -!- cal153 has joined. 17:39:07 I would kill one and keep its corpse 17:39:09 but there aren't/. 17:39:11 *aren't. 17:39:13 alise, there was one, but you ate it 17:39:18 that was before you said that 17:39:43 you can kill it from a distance 17:39:49 coppro: will it try and walk up to me 17:39:50 ? 17:39:58 of course 17:40:05 c 17:40:05 . 17:40:06 .@ 17:40:07 you can E it or something 17:40:07 erm 17:40:08 c 17:40:09 .- 17:40:10 .@ 17:40:17 coppro: you mean elbereth? 17:40:18 good idea 17:40:34 yes 17:40:50 CHICKATRICE RIGHT NEXT TO ME 17:40:55 ELBERETHELBERETHELBERETHELBERETHELBERETHELBERETHELBERETHELBERETHELBERETH 17:41:06 it isn't leaving 17:41:12 don't engrave multiple at once 17:41:15 can i hit it with a lance if it's right next to me? is that safe? 17:41:17 coppro: I'm not 17:41:18 just keep engraving one at a time 17:41:23 hitting it is safe 17:41:37 it's that it has a small chance when attacking you of inducing stoning 17:41:41 even if it's at distance zero? 17:41:45 It keeps looking like I screwed up Sokoban, but I don't think I have 17:41:58 alise: you're fine 17:42:03 just don't touch the corpse 17:42:21 There's MORE of them! 17:42:46 also do you have a potion of acid? 17:42:57 coppro: nope -- "Too close!" says the lance 17:43:01 i have potions, i don't think any are acid 17:43:09 i have full healing 17:43:13 will that save me from stoning? 17:43:30 Doing Soko without spoilers is fun! 17:43:39 alise: you can just attack rather than apply the lance 17:43:55 and no, full ehealing wont' save you 17:43:58 attack with lance, or will excalibur be ok too? 17:44:07 phew, it's fleeing 17:44:09 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 17:44:38 I wonder if that crappy Battleships program can support the SMBC strategy. 17:44:48 any weapon 17:44:54 so long as you don't attack barehanded 17:45:02 MORE NETHACK? 17:45:31 ais523: there's three chickatrices very close together; how unlucky am I?! 17:45:32 Phantom_Hoover: yes 17:45:38 also -- does praying cure stoning? 17:45:39 alise: not very, they come in packs 17:45:41 and yes 17:45:47 ok 17:45:49 time to move 17:45:50 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Client Quit). 17:45:53 The chickatrice misses. The chickatrice touches you! 17:45:55 AIEEE 17:45:56 ELBERETH 17:45:59 you're fine 17:46:01 it didn't hiss 17:46:06 I know, I know, but STILL. 17:46:08 Crap 17:46:22 Broke some nymph's mirror 17:46:26 * Sgeo_ facepalms 17:46:33 Well, at least I'm not in mortal stony danger 17:46:35 even hissing, you still have a 9/10 chance of survivin 17:46:51 Unless it's the new moon, iirc? 17:47:07 OMG MORE COCKATRI 17:47:59 coppro: is it safe just to run, then? 17:48:28 Note to self: Please don't die because I haven't been paying attention to nutrition 17:48:39 alise: yes 17:50:09 chickatrice corpses are bad, right? 17:50:11 reaaally bad 17:50:18 depends 17:50:23 if you have gloves, they make a powerful weapon 17:50:32 i don't 17:50:32 therwise, stay away 17:50:34 ok, back to minetown 17:50:35 If you don't, RIP Felix... erm, Alise 17:50:57 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:51:09 not /another/ incubus! 17:51:10 -!- augur has joined. 17:51:13 it's safe to walk over them if you are not blind btw 17:51:15 how much stamina does it think i have? 17:51:35 Sex and cockatrices don't mix 17:51:44 >_< I'm trying to kill you! That is not how to interpret my whacks! 17:51:46 ALthough you're not weilding a c, so I guess it's ok 17:51:49 Rapist 17:52:01 You can't just steal my money! Sheesh 17:52:30 You read: "E|berethElbe???hFl|e et?E||?rethLlber? hEl e?cth|l?ercth_lbcre 17:52:30 wElber th??|KrethE|berctc[l|c?WthElberc?h|?bcr?tnE berc?rE?|e etnEl5?r?th? 17:52:30 |?rc?hE|| ret".--More-- 17:52:39 ais523: ^ from the Great q Avoidance of Post-Whenever I Pacified the Guard 17:52:52 heh 17:53:00 so once I get a ring's price, how can I ID it based on that? 17:53:16 Clippy! 17:53:31 http://nethack.roy.org/clippy/clippy.pl 17:53:38 Um, might be a bit old 17:53:44 Don't know if it's 3.4.3 or not 17:54:09 I just use the wikihack page 17:54:24 Even Sgeo_ can't endorse his very own wiki on matters of rings! 17:54:31 charisma? /dumb 17:54:43 oh i have that don't i 17:54:45 7 of them 17:54:51 type, do i put in "ring" here? 17:54:52 or the colour too? 17:54:58 I think just = 17:55:35 [ynaq] 17:55:37 * alise wonders what a is 17:55:40 or q 17:55:42 all 17:55:48 and q = quit, or cancel 17:55:55 so it's basically just "yes to all", "no to all" 17:56:49 http://nethack.roy.org/clippy/clippy.pl?charisma=7&type==&price=50&desc=&price_type=sell 17:56:52 that's not terribly specific ... 17:57:04 oh, the types 17:57:06 wtf? 17:57:09 apparently my ring doesn't exist 17:57:10 it's moonstone 17:57:26 descriptions are randomized 17:57:31 Don't base it off of that 17:57:58 so if it says *x and it IS x, 17:58:02 does that mean it's definitely that one? 17:58:18 No 17:58:33 It shouldn't even bother saying *x 17:58:57 -!- Gregor-P has joined. 17:58:57 ais523: wow, that IDing was utterly useless 17:59:04 there were like 10 possibilities for each price 17:59:09 that's standard 17:59:10 I'm just stashing all of these 17:59:20 WHAT 17:59:22 you can check through the possibilities to see if there's anything dangerous, though 17:59:22 The incubus is back for mre 17:59:23 *more 17:59:24 and wear the ring if not 17:59:27 How horny can he be?! 17:59:30 This is the ... fourth time, I think 18:00:10 Dear Mr. h: Fuck off 18:00:32 "your senses are dulled;" wisdom reduces by 1 and is abused. 18:00:33 **sigh** 18:00:51 ais523: Is there an easy way to stop a foocobus? 18:01:00 omg, a wraith! 18:01:03 kill it first 18:01:11 it started undressing me as soon as i walked into it. 18:01:21 dammit 18:01:22 How do I kill this h? 18:01:26 the wraith didn't leave a corpse 18:01:27 barrow wright 18:01:34 Walk into main dungeon and pick up a few rocks to throw? 18:01:45 ais523: You stop waiting. You feel very attracted to the incubus.--More-- 18:01:47 ais523: see? 18:02:05 well, you want it to be /your/ turn when it gets next to you 18:02:10 so you wait when it's two squares away 18:02:38 i was waiting without knowing there was another incubus coming 18:02:45 You feel drained of energy.--More-- 18:02:49 FUCKING FUCKSHIT 18:02:54 i hate incubi. 18:03:18 are succubi this pesky? :p 18:03:26 depends on gender 18:03:33 **NOTE TO SELF: No stash in that level of the mines, I lied; it's on minetown. Rings. =, you know. 18:03:37 ais523: i mean for males 18:03:50 yes 18:04:13 I find it weird that the watch doesn't care if you kill innocents. 18:04:22 but wants to murder you if you so much as steal one thing from a shop. 18:04:25 *want 18:04:47 ha, I just got $745 from the incubus 18:04:49 take that 18:05:19 ais523: how useful are lamps etc.? 18:05:29 alise: they're useful early in the mines 18:05:35 and also in the very late game 18:05:39 most of the time, you don't care 18:06:19 is dlvl 7 early in the mines? 18:06:31 Candles are useful late in the game 18:06:43 Erm, and by useful, I mean you literally can't win without them 18:06:45 also, why is the delicatessen so pathetic in this minetown? 18:06:54 three wide, two high 18:06:58 delis are always pathetic 18:07:02 one of the items is a fortune cookie 18:07:05 and the other is tin 18:07:10 ais523: anywhere better to stock up on food around here? 18:07:19 Sgeo_: right, but there's no point buying a candle at this point, yeah? 18:07:29 in the mines? deathdrops is the real main point 18:07:35 alise: you are aware that you need 7 candles in order to win? 18:07:40 that won't come up until much later, though 18:07:59 ais523: well, I'm aware now 18:08:07 but i don't need to buy them now, right? 18:08:10 there'll be lighting shops later? 18:08:12 no, you can leave them for later 18:08:18 but there's only one lighting shop in the whole game 18:08:32 the shopkeeper, Izchak, is named after one of the original developers, who died of cancer 18:09:30 Um, good to know, I guess? 18:09:35 RIP and all that 18:10:50 ais523: I guess I'll buy them now and stash. 18:10:53 So, candles matter, not lamps, right? 18:10:55 I can handle darkly-lit mines. 18:11:04 that's it, it's just the candles that matter 18:11:32 (there are only 11 items absolutely necessary in order to win: 7 of them are candles) 18:12:14 Gregor-P: mind going in #sxmc and explaining what HackuckOO is all about? 18:12:53 -!- Gregor-W has joined. 18:12:57 ais523: what are the others? 18:13:06 also, what happens if those seven candles are somehow lost? 18:13:14 you can always wish for more in an emergency 18:13:17 or pudding-farm 18:13:24 they generate randomly, but rarely 18:13:56 and the others: silver bell/Bell of Opening; Candelabrum of Invocation (to which you need to attach the candles); papyrus book/Book of the Dead 18:14:03 and the Amulet of Yendor, ofc 18:14:41 so is it safe to stash 18:14:43 ? 18:14:54 yep, should be 18:15:03 but they're pretty light; normally, I just put them in my bag 18:15:03 now i need to find a pet 18:15:08 ais523: I don't have a bag 18:15:11 unfortunately. 18:15:13 ugh 18:15:51 where can i obtain one? 18:16:01 Can I tame all d? 18:16:05 Particularly foxes? 18:16:14 Sgeo_: no, just dogs 18:16:23 RIP fox 18:16:24 alise: Minetown's a common place, or elsewhere in the mines 18:16:30 but you have to stumble across them by chance 18:16:52 Should I attempt to kill a unicorn at some point? 18:16:55 a wand of magic missile that an orc used, funfun 18:16:55 I don't know how? 18:16:59 Sgeo_: whack it 18:17:12 I once died to a unicorn 18:17:17 well, don't again. 18:17:23 ais523: there isn't one in minetown, alas 18:17:41 ais523: i'm scared to head down; there's cockachicks there 18:18:43 ais523, any advice on unicorn killing? 18:18:56 Sgeo_: being faster than the unicorn helps 18:19:01 also, beartraps will hold them in place 18:19:07 or alternatively, move to a no-tele level 18:19:12 if it's winning, run; the unicorn will run too 18:19:30 I don't think I'm faster, but I am on no-tele 18:19:37 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:19:40 I just wacked it in melee and killed it easily ... 18:19:43 -!- augur has joined. 18:19:55 Sgeo_: killing unicorns is good, for the horn 18:19:59 but they hit really hard 18:20:03 They do? 18:20:05 I have 63hp 18:20:09 alise: yep 18:20:37 28. In Genesis 1:6-8, we are told that one of God's first creations was a firmament in the heavens. This likely refers to the creation of the luminiferous aether. 18:20:43 --Conservapedia, "Counterexamples to Relativity". 18:20:56 Maximum batshit-craziness level attained. 18:21:19 Bahahahaha 18:21:30 ais523, should I attack given my low-HPness/ 18:21:37 Sgeo_: no 18:21:43 -!- ais523 has left (?). 18:21:59 :( 18:22:02 ais considered your question so boring he left 18:22:04 :P 18:22:06 or, it was my quote 18:22:15 Minkowski space is predicated on the idea of four-dimensional vectors of which one component is time. However, one of the properties of a vector space is that every vector have an inverse. Time cannot be a vector because it has no inverse. 18:22:16 ... what? 18:23:01 ....how did I successfully write Elbereth while blind? 18:23:18 you can use your finger while blind ... 18:28:47 Sgeo_: killing unicorns is good, for the horn <-- 1) only non-aligned ones 2) they are hard to reach, considering their movement pattern 18:36:46 * alise remembers RDF, a twinge of pain 18:37:00 Ouch! 18:38:39 Remembering things can be bad for you/ 18:38:41 *you. 18:40:53 * alise attempts to remember N3, too, as an analgesic, but this doesn't really work 18:41:02 *work. 18:45:15 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 18:45:34 Incidentally, I had an idea to force IO scheduling in Lazy K. 18:45:36 glarikord 18:46:50 An IO action returns the IO it has consumed in a separate list, and bind conses the output of the next action onto this, then pares the resultant list down. 18:48:09 Wait, the interpreter might be clever enough to work out that the input isn't actually being evaluated. 18:48:24 -!- cpressey has joined. 18:48:47 Hi cpressey. 18:49:05 hi alise 18:49:05 .yesserpc iH 18:49:17 Yesser PC. 18:49:44 Is it only me who thinks that names that start with a dot look nice? 18:50:09 You'd like .theprodukkt, and Lojban. 18:50:51 Yes, probably. 18:51:08 What does the dot in Lojban signify, anyway? 18:51:24 New syllable, or something; I forget. 18:51:28 ' is pronounced h, I know that much. 18:51:42 .mi'e .eliat,xyrd. ;; or something 18:52:05 Warrigal: here, fix that ^ 18:52:07 :p 18:52:25 Means pause 18:52:32 Required in some situations 18:52:55 alise: yep, that's a valid sentence. 18:53:07 wareya: but is ".eliat,xyrd." the most accurate rendering of my name? 18:53:12 Oh. 18:53:18 .eliat,xrd. was decided on ages ago, but iirc #lojban reconsidered 18:53:20 and a y snuck in somewhere 18:53:42 I'd go with .Eli,yt.xrd. 18:54:06 Warrigal: Wait ... ' is pronounced h... would abusing that be Totally Evil? 18:54:18 .Eli,yt.'rd. 18:54:23 Yes. It can only go between two vowels. 18:54:33 i defy that convention 18:54:35 :D 18:54:43 What's that? LOJBAN is evolving! 18:54:55 I defy all conventions of Lojban, a.k.a. not going anywhere near it 18:55:03 ... I've forgotten what a Pokemon evolution looks like. 18:55:15 I guess .Eli,yt.xyd. is what you want if you pronounce the R in "Hird" non-R-ly. 18:55:50 i guess it's a bit like Hiid 18:55:52 Herd 18:55:55 It's pronounced exactly like herd. 18:56:03 Does that help? :P 18:56:17 Except non-rhotically, and with a Northern accent. 18:56:27 Huud. 18:56:33 I meant to say Huud, yeah 18:56:33 not hiid 18:56:41 Phantom_Hoover: Mind, I don't really have a northern accent ... 18:57:05 So no alterations of 'u'-related sounds? 18:57:11 Well, god knows. 18:57:22 coppro: is there something i can do to protect myself against cockafoos? 18:58:21 Going to watch some SGU now 18:58:33 Bah, you TV SF people. 18:58:41 I laugh at you. 18:58:49 Hahaha. 18:58:49 Random challenge: Find a way to represent a rational with dynamically-sized numerator and denominator in 64-bit binary that gives the best range; i.e. largest/smallest integer but also smallest rational. 18:59:04 Preferably not one with bizarre discontinuities like floats; i.e. actual rationals. 18:59:17 I guess that isn't a very well-defined challenge. 18:59:51 How can you implement actual rationals in fixed-size storage? 19:00:01 I think there are undecidable questions about reflective (reflexive?) formulations of automata, even ones with finite storage. 19:00:03 How could you not? 19:00:05 You obviously have a step size. 19:00:09 Phantom_Hoover: No... 19:00:17 Okay, consider this (very bad) representation: 19:00:22 Phantom_Hoover: Er - pait of integers? 19:00:24 *pair 19:00:33 -!- wareya has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 19:00:43 cpressey, the pairs are bounded in *some* way. 19:00:59 Phantom_Hoover: 1*01* 19:01:03 1110 is 3/1 19:01:05 Doesn't mean that the difference between two representable rationals is consistent throughout the range 19:01:06 0111 is 1/3 19:01:08 Phantom_Hoover: only by the architecture, which you are abstracting away, right? 19:01:09 11011 is 2/2 = 1 19:01:14 111011 is 3/2 19:01:15 etc 19:01:22 the challenge is, of course, to do this much more efficiently. 19:01:29 -!- wareya has joined. 19:01:32 cpressey: I /did/ specify 64-bits. 19:02:15 alise: Then I'm not sure what Phantom_Hoover means by "actual". 19:02:24 cpressey: Because zomg Q is countably infinite. 19:02:26 alise: hi AC and lizards 19:02:28 How can you represent that in finite space. 19:02:30 coppro: wat 19:02:32 *high 19:02:35 ah 19:02:37 err 19:02:37 whoa, i have ac 10 19:02:38 low AC 19:02:41 how did that happen? 19:02:42 10 is default 19:02:45 low is good 19:02:51 i had like 3 before 19:02:57 you took your armor off? 19:03:00 Put your clothes back on, alise! 19:03:00 omg 19:03:02 how did that happen 19:03:04 it's the incubus 19:03:09 lol 19:03:10 i am walking around naked 19:03:11 No one wants to see you naked after you had sex with that prostitute! 19:03:20 not technically a prostitute! 19:03:21 just a rapist-theif 19:03:23 *thief 19:03:47 ooh, are we talking about rape? 19:03:52 alise: well, I thought of a funny method. The lowest and highest integers it can represent are -63 and 63. The closest-to-0 fractions it can represent are 1/63 and -1/63. The highest-denominator fractions it can represent are 6557470319842/10610209857723 and -6557470319842/10610209857723. 19:03:56 olsner: What a delightful subject! 19:04:08 Warrigal: That's ... that's really shit. 19:04:20 >_> 19:04:21 Yup. 19:04:31 How can you implement actual rationals in fixed-size storage? <-- by limiting the possible range 19:04:34 coppro: AC 2; is that good enough? 19:04:36 alise, how about use one of those neat bijections we thought up? 19:04:45 (okay that was extremely unhelpful I know) 19:04:49 Phantom_Hoover: Those are useless; and they're not exactly "neat", they're very standard. 19:04:49 My AC is crap 19:04:55 alise: okay, then. Let me introduce you to a fancy technique known as the IEEE floating-point number. 19:05:01 coppro: I wish there were lizards around here to steal the corpses of. 19:05:02 Sgeo_, try an UPS then? 19:05:08 Warrigal: Those have discontinuities, though. 19:05:10 Sgeo_, they tend to counteract spikes and such 19:05:10 Warrigal: Such as no 1/3. 19:05:22 Vorpal, wrong kind of AC 19:05:24 alise: so, you want to be able to represent small fractions exactly? 19:05:27 Or 1/10, actually. 19:05:30 Warrigal: Instead of limited-but-flexible-range-on-each-side rationals, they're approximations-to-rationals. 19:05:32 Sgeo_, oh right. air condition? 19:05:37 Warrigal: Can you grok the former's difference? 19:05:41 alise, split into 2 32-bit ints, one signed? 19:05:48 Wrong kind of AC 19:05:48 Sgeo_, so is mine, it consists of a tabletop fan 19:05:49 Phantom_Hoover: As I said, that's not flexible range. 19:05:54 That's fixed range on each side. 19:06:06 Sgeo_, alternating current, air condition? I don't know any other meanings of AC 19:06:14 Armor Class 19:06:17 alise, you have a fixed range regardless. 19:06:17 oh 19:06:21 (I think) 19:06:25 alise: let me think what you're referring to. 19:06:26 Sgeo_, you are playing D&D or nethack? 19:06:26 Phantom_Hoover: Yes, I know that. 19:06:30 NetHack 19:06:33 ah 19:06:38 alise, OK, so what's your problem? 19:06:39 Sgeo_, well in that context I know of it 19:06:45 Warrigal: Okay, basically, consider two 32-bit integers, one numerator, one denominator. 19:06:54 Sgeo_, lets see.. in nethack it means you have a high value? 19:06:56 Warrigal: Now imagine if you could make it a 31-bit numerator and a 33-bit denominator, and so on. 19:06:59 since they count down iirc 19:07:03 Yes 19:07:03 10 19:07:05 Warrigal: Now make this actually work (you can't just "make" that happen since there's no way to tell which is which). 19:07:13 It is, of course, okay if you can't actually get 32/32. 19:07:15 Sgeo_, what is the base AC now again? 19:07:28 I _think_ 10 without protection 19:07:32 ah 19:07:44 Sgeo_, put on some armor? 19:07:50 I'm a wizard 19:07:53 So have six bits at the beginning telling you where the break is. 19:08:17 Sgeo_, oh 19:08:19 Warrigal: Okay; that's quite good. But arithmetic on that would suck. 19:08:20 Statically determine the number of bits for each num and denom in the program. HA! 19:08:52 Phantom_Hoover, why not just use two bignums? 19:09:08 alise: isn't arithmetic on rational numbers supposed to suck? 19:09:15 Because theoretical stuff is interesting? 19:09:19 Phantom_Hoover, then it is only limited by your computers memory 19:09:20 Warrigal: Well, the idea of this is... 19:09:23 alise: think of an efficient way to do 5/8 + 11/13. 19:09:40 Warrigal: I mean, your method is significantly less efficient than /regular/ rational arithmetic. 19:09:52 How so? 19:10:02 You have to futz with the break-bit. 19:10:05 I guess. 19:10:22 And you consider that significant? 19:10:34 My dog's name is Sokodog 19:11:05 Anyways, off to SGU 19:11:19 Sgeo University? 19:11:22 Sgeo_: lizard corpse 19:11:26 Warrigal: stargate universe 19:11:33 alise, w00t! 19:11:33 Mm. 19:11:52 Warrigal: You should totally watch me flail around in NetHack. 19:12:16 -!- wareya has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 19:12:30 alise: do you call wareya Warrigal? 19:12:54 alise, playing on NAO? 19:12:57 alise, if so, we can 19:13:15 telnet termcast.org 19:13:25 NAO is way too high-latency from here 19:13:28 so i play locally and termcast instead. 19:13:36 Warrigal: wareya doesn't really talk; why? 19:13:41 alise, eh Satiated 19:13:41 * Warrigal nods. 19:13:43 Just wondering. 19:13:44 alise, that's bad 19:13:55 Vorpal: Yeah, I just got Satiated. 19:13:56 NAO is way too high-latency from here <-- same 19:13:58 It should wear off soon. 19:14:02 Hmm, a bag. 19:14:04 alise, hopefully 19:14:05 I eat until satiated every so often. What's bad about it? 19:14:06 It might be a bag of holding! 19:14:10 I hope it's a bag of holding. 19:14:14 Warrigal: eating can be dangeorus ... that's about it 19:14:14 alise, don't put unknown wands in it 19:14:21 * Warrigal nods. 19:14:31 And don't put unknown bags in it. 19:14:31 alise, no 19:14:36 it abuses your str 19:14:36 Also, don't put wands of cancellation in it. 19:14:36 iirc 19:14:44 Vorpal: hm, ok 19:14:48 *okay 19:14:51 alise, and what Warrigal said 19:15:01 And don't put bags of holding in it. 19:15:24 alise, don't put wands of cancellation or boh or unknown wands or unknown bags in a boh or unknown bag 19:15:45 alise, dammit? why? 19:15:57 Vorpal: cause now i have to go back down 19:16:01 and there were chickatrices on this level before 19:16:26 Vorpal, (I guess alise too); it's dexterity that is abused once for every 10 turns if you're satiated. (Also wisdom if you are a monk, too; I guess monks are supposed to be the ascetic sort.) 19:16:45 alise, uh uh 19:16:56 fizzie, right 19:17:30 alise, bad thing with this compared to NAO is that I can't send you mail 19:18:31 alise, you stalled? 19:18:31 Nice thing about NAO now: #name and C now both give you the same prompt: Whether to call a class of objects, individual object, or monster 19:18:36 -!- alise has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 19:18:48 Sgeo_, how is that good? 19:18:51 -!- alise has joined. 19:18:52 F U C K 19:18:59 FUCKING FUCKING FUCKSHITTING FUCKING PIECE OF FUCKING SHIT! 19:19:04 :( 19:19:06 I forgot to plug the laptop in to charge 19:19:11 it turned off when it ran out of battery 19:19:13 the save file? 19:19:13 GONE 19:19:15 There may be a recover th... Oh wow 19:19:15 fucking GONE 19:19:16 FUCK YOU NETHACK 19:19:18 alise, no 19:19:23 alise, it wasn't 19:19:26 Vorpal: i started nethack and it asked if it wanted to pick etc. 19:19:27 alise, it is now 19:19:33 alise, it wasn't before you started it 19:19:38 you could have used nethack-recover 19:19:41 well gee, thanks for telling me in the past 19:19:43 alise, now? probably too late 19:19:47 i didn't realise nethack had a punish_person_whose_battery_is_dead 19:19:49 alise, but worth a quick try 19:19:52 Vorpal: worth a try, where do i get nethack-recover 19:19:59 fucking shitting fuckfuck, i was doing so well that game 19:20:01 alise, the nethack package? 19:20:04 if it's lost i'm going to kill someone 19:20:10 Vorpal: not on arhc 19:20:11 *arch 19:20:15 alise, list files of it 19:20:19 alise, I'm not on arch atm 19:20:21 can't check 19:20:23 I just tried nethack-recover, it didn't work. 19:20:26 no such thing 19:20:29 using pkgfile to find nethack-recover 19:20:32 alise, it is probably /usr/lib/nethack/bin/recover 19:20:34 or such 19:20:41 just list files of nethack 19:20:46 alise, it might not be in $PATH 19:20:56 [ehird@dinky ~]$ /usr/lib/nethack/recover 19:20:56 and it might or might not be called nethack-recover or recover 19:20:59 what's base1? 19:21:03 base1? 19:21:05 it wants a base1 argument 19:21:09 Usage: /usr/lib/nethack/recover [ -d directory ] base1 [ base2 ... ] 19:21:21 alise, um. don't know read docs? 19:21:27 alise, NH base directory, IIRC> 19:21:31 alise, I never needed to use it 19:21:47 alise, probably something in /var/games/nethack 19:21:48 or sich 19:21:51 such* 19:21:54 Phantom_Hoover: which is? 19:22:08 alise, not sure. 19:22:08 alise, just read docs 19:22:18 It's where the game data file is kept. 19:22:19 base is the "0user" sort of base-name of the savefile. 19:22:20 I don't think I can handle an AnMaster called "Vorpal" 19:22:35 cpressey, why is that 19:22:38 wiki for code? yes 19:22:41 I'm not likely to change it 19:22:43 * CakeProphet ahems 19:23:03 (And -d is the game data directory.) 19:23:05 CakeProphet: Oh, did you just now see the topic? 19:23:11 CakeProphet, huh? 19:23:14 Oh, Hackiki. 19:23:16 cpressey, it is of course a nethack reference as much as it is a Alice through the Looking glass reference 19:23:20 Glass* 19:23:49 Yeah. 19:23:58 -!- cpressey has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 19:23:58 cpressey, so why can't you handle it? 19:24:01 ... 19:24:27 so concurrent Haskell is a little mind-bending to work with. 19:24:29 next he is going to say he couldn't handle fizzie changing nick 19:24:35 not that I never seen that happen 19:24:47 I don't have any plans to, so I'm "safe" that way. 19:24:49 I ever* 19:25:43 Well, there's the end of my nethack kick. 19:26:15 alise, why? 19:26:25 alise, you might need to sudo 19:26:28 for recovering 19:26:33 Checkpoint data incompletely written or subsequently clobbered; 19:26:33 recovery for "alock" impossible. 19:26:46 the end of my nethack kick is because i'm pissed off and fed up enough to not want to play any more 19:26:49 for a while 19:26:58 alise, think of it as YAAD 19:27:18 except i was doing very well that game, was in no imminent danger whatsoever, and could easily have got further 19:27:27 -!- Phantom_Hoover_ has joined. 19:27:32 and because nethack loves deleting save files when you resume, it's lost 19:27:34 so yeah, fuck that. 19:27:50 What, you're going to play DCSS? 19:28:02 no, i'm probably just not going to play roguelikes at all for a while 19:29:50 the end of my nethack kick is because i'm pissed off and fed up enough to not want to play any more <-- laptops were invented after nethack pretty much :P 19:29:56 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 19:30:01 Vorpal: system crashes were not. 19:30:02 also mine would beep loudly at critical level 19:30:12 alise, that is why nethack-recover exists 19:30:21 Vorpal: which failed, because the system chose the wrong time to crash. 19:30:29 i suppose the dev team count on system crashes being at nicely-scheduled times? 19:31:09 alise, did you run it as sudo? 19:31:21 Jesus christ, running things with sudo doesn't fix things! 19:31:31 sure it does 19:31:34 alise, considering permissions on /var/games/nethack it might 19:31:34 Checkpoint data incompletely written or subsequently clobbered; 19:31:34 recovery for "alock" impossible. 19:31:34 fixes permission problems. 19:31:36 very likely 19:31:38 alise, ^ 19:31:43 Well, it didn't, tada. 19:31:44 Just tried it. 19:31:49 okay 19:31:54 alise, that is because you ran nethack I think 19:32:06 alise, after the crash 19:32:11 but before nethack-recover 19:32:12 it must have been halfway through writing recovery data when it crashed 19:32:27 alise, he is not online? where did you speak to him 19:32:32 he is in #nethack. 19:32:35 he left this channel. 19:32:46 alise, invite him here! 19:32:57 he left because he didn't want to be in here. 19:33:33 alise, why? 19:33:42 Because of me :( 19:33:43 If he wanted to say, I'm sure he would have. 19:33:49 Sgeo_: don't be so hard on yourself :P 19:34:30 -!- wareya has joined. 19:35:01 Jesus fucking christ! I'm not going through Sokoban again. 19:35:23 alise, I may be able to help with Sokoban 19:35:34 Also, it's strictly optional 19:35:38 Good idea, but optional 19:36:07 Yeah, whatever, I'm not going through all the stuff before Sokoban either. 19:36:10 Or any of it. Or fuck that. 19:36:23 :( 19:36:25 this conversation would be more INTENSE with CAPS LOCK 19:36:29 LIKE THIS 19:36:31 You'd have to again soon 19:36:35 Probably 19:36:45 Sgeo_: Actually, the mines were exceedingly easy. 19:36:51 CAPS LOCK MAKES THINGS MORE AWESOME. 19:37:02 Yes, but you really think you'd ascend this game? 19:37:08 No. 19:37:12 But I expected to get quite a bit further. 19:37:42 Flonk! 19:38:00 Phantom_Hoover_: At your service 19:38:19 Flonk, make me tea. 19:38:32 Flonk, give me a programmer's bit 19:38:39 Phantom_Hoover_: alright, but you'll need to get it youself 19:38:49 NetHack needs a combination of switches, -f -u -c -k, that will put you in a room with ten thousand easy-to-kill monsters to take your frustration out on. 19:38:51 Flonk, wait, are you American? 19:38:56 thats not #IRP lol 19:39:01 Phantom_Hoover_: nope, I'm from austria 19:39:17 alise, well, debug mode + levelport + bigroom is good for that. 19:39:33 Phantom_Hoover_: but also a bitch 19:39:44 And you can give yourself a 128-charge /oD and a -128 AC. 19:40:00 So you can take down most things with relative ease. 19:40:29 How can you attack your pet? 19:40:32 Hit death with a /oDeath 19:40:38 alise, 19:40:38 alise, F 19:40:46 Felix yowls! You kill poor Felix! Welcome to experience level 3.--More-- 19:40:50 lol 19:40:52 Sgeo_, the DevTeam thought of that. 19:40:52 alise, where? 19:40:57 It makes him stronger. 19:41:15 wow 19:41:17 Phantom_Hoover_, I knoww 19:41:21 coppro: the downstair WASN'T under that boulder 19:41:28 where was it? 19:41:28 this conversation would be more INTENSE with CAPS LOCK <-- Caps Lock, I never seem a keyboard with it in all upper case 19:41:33 coppro: i don't know, and i'm fainting 19:41:36 though that is somewhat ironic 19:41:39 alise, wait what? 19:41:41 lol :/ 19:41:45 coppro: now i'm fainting every other turn 19:41:49 Sgeo_: i copied the savefile out to investigate later 19:41:54 the Dlvl 1 of Doom 19:41:59 i've mapped out almost the entire screen 19:42:01 not a single downstair 19:42:04 alise: you're screwed 19:42:13 just checked the keyboards/laptops I have around here: Caps Lock, Caps Lck, CapsLk 19:42:16 can i gnaw on my leg? 19:42:18 What is the optimal way to kill Death? 19:42:18 When you have debug, and hence unlimited wishes and resurrects. 19:42:52 alise, no. 19:42:58 why 19:43:06 i killed felix for food but he didn't leave a corpse :) 19:43:11 Vorpal: FWIW, this keyboard has a "CAPS LOCK", with CAPS on one line, and LOCK under it, and then a little "A in a box" symbol vertically centered, to the right of the text. 19:43:17 I assume because you can't get your leg as an item. 19:43:21 As you read the scroll, it disappears. Your hands begin to glow red.--More-- 19:43:40 | alise | 19:43:40 | 85 Au | 19:43:40 | killed by a | 19:43:40 | newt, while | 19:43:40 | helpless | 19:43:56 congratulations 19:44:11 my savefiled stupid fucking deleted game isn't even in the record 19:44:14 fucking fucking fuck 19:44:23 WHY DOES NETHACK REMOVE SAVE FILES ON RESUME APART FROM TO STOP CHEATERS 19:44:29 i'm not going to cheat 19:44:51 alise, well, of course you'd say that. 19:45:13 i can't believe i'm this pissed off... 19:45:17 but seriously i was doing well! 19:45:18 fizzie, hm 19:45:27 My laptop hibernates when it's low on power 19:45:38 alise, I suspect there's an option for it. 19:45:49 fizzie, FWIW? For ? Information ? 19:45:49 Phantom_Hoover_: i doubt it 19:45:52 options are game-related 19:46:05 Vorpal: for why information wins 19:46:09 alise, XD 19:46:10 alise, true, but NH has a tonne of compile-time macros. 19:46:18 Vorpal, For what it's worth 19:46:23 Like no Elbereth, etc. 19:46:27 Sgeo_, ah 19:46:28 it's a silly limitation 19:46:41 olsner: what is? 19:46:43 why can't they just let you choose how you manage your savefiles yourself, bah 19:46:45 ah 19:46:51 olsner: because it's designed for multi-user systems 19:46:54 so it's very ... protective 19:47:04 also, resuming savefiles after you die is Very Much Against the Rules 19:47:11 Vorpal: "For what it's worth." 19:47:28 fizzie, right, as Sgeo_ said 19:47:34 you can make savefile backups manually but it's apparently considered cheating somehow 19:47:38 Og. 19:47:49 olsner: it is 19:47:58 I was once accused of cheating on #nethack for asking what the extent of NH's savefile protection was. 19:48:05 ha 19:48:08 but #nethack are nice ... 19:48:54 Yeah, the person was nice after I explained that I was just curious. 19:49:27 TV Tropes seems to be wrong about it encoding the inode into a savefile to prevent copying. 19:49:37 Although that does seem paranoid enough. 19:51:15 nethack.eu is low latency but not low latency enough 19:51:18 Paranoid, but overly brittle. 19:51:58 alise, well, you'd rather have this situation happen again? 19:52:29 Sgeo_: i'd rather not keep it unplugged 19:52:31 tyvm 19:52:55 You're playing again though? :D 19:53:03 yeah. i guess so. 19:53:06 same time, same bat-channel. 19:53:19 let's see if i can't stab the wizard of fucking yendor to death 19:53:21 broadcasting now 19:53:51 Broadcasting? 19:53:59 telnet termcast.org 19:53:59 telnet termcast.org 19:54:21 sec 19:54:23 going to adjust a setting or two 19:54:47 back 19:55:11 stubborn doors here 19:55:45 whaat? 19:55:46 felix died already 19:55:47 Permanently answering your qu.. not that it matters 19:55:50 RIP Felix 19:55:53 Your cat died immediately? 19:55:57 Falling rock? 19:55:57 Phantom_Hoover_: turn 220 19:56:00 god knows 19:56:20 Well, you might want to *check*. 19:56:51 Why? 19:56:59 FOR SCIENCE 19:58:09 general store on lvl 1 ftw 19:58:10 you can make savefile backups manually but it's apparently considered cheating somehow <-- yes iirc it done by recording inode ins the files or some other such devious trick 19:58:16 in* 19:59:15 Vorpal, so that was true? 19:59:18 Sgeo_: Let's see if I can't steal... 19:59:20 Phantom_Hoover_, note "iirc" 19:59:23 Paranoid indeed. 19:59:25 Phantom_Hoover_, learn what it means 19:59:31 Phantom_Hoover_, it also records pid iirc 19:59:38 not sure why 19:59:42 Vorpal, yeah, the PID is well-know. 19:59:48 Phantom_Hoover_, forgot why it does that 19:59:52 But the inode is a little more nebulous 20:00:06 Vorpal, something to do with runtime tampering? 20:00:28 Phantom_Hoover_, not sure 20:00:55 Vorpal, to stop you interrupting the normal save-quit process? 20:01:08 TV Tropes seems to be wrong about it encoding the inode into a savefile to prevent copying. <-- checked their nethack article, they don't mention anything about that? 20:01:21 Vorpal, they definitely did. 20:01:52 how do you destroy a boulder again? 20:01:54 >_> 20:02:05 alise, as valk? 20:02:20 alise, invent? 20:02:28 ? 20:02:37 i've forgotten how i did it in sokoban :P 20:02:38 alise, inventiry 20:02:41 inventory* 20:02:41 alise, inventory. 20:02:44 oh 20:02:48 ~nothing 20:02:50 alise, Don't destroy boulders in sokoban 20:02:54 very very bad idea 20:02:56 long sword, dagger, small shield, plate mail, food, magenta potion 20:02:58 Vorpal: no it's not 20:03:01 alise, luck penality? 20:03:02 Vorpal: it's the only way i solved the last one 20:03:04 I'm pretty sure 20:03:05 Vorpal: yes, -1 20:03:06 very small 20:03:08 and you get it back 20:03:11 after some turns 20:03:15 hm 20:03:24 i.e. well worth it if the alternative is /not completing sokoban/ 20:03:27 Unless you have a non-blessed Luckstone 20:03:30 well yes, but I try to have a luckstone and be on positive luck 20:03:53 so you'd rather forfeit sokoban? 20:04:12 Yum, slime molds! 20:04:15 I'd rather not screw up Sokoban 20:04:40 yeah you shouldn't need it in sokoban 20:05:08 Sgeo_: wtf @ invincible box 20:05:11 * Sgeo_ breaks alise's legs 20:06:18 alise, invincible box? 20:06:22 Yay poisonous! 20:06:27 Vorpal: it took like 40 hits to unlock 20:06:43 alise, wow, far out man 20:06:44 hallu is the best state of mind in which to be in. 20:07:08 When I played NetHack around the first time, I was hungry 20:07:13 I ate some corpse 20:07:19 You are getting the munchies. 20:07:29 I thought "Hallu" meant hallelujah that I am not starving 20:07:32 XD 20:07:44 Then you got killed by a master lichen? 20:09:49 Everything looks SO boring now. You stop waiting. 20:10:28 Conga line of ssssssnakes 20:10:30 ssssssss 20:11:19 -!- Phantom_Hoover_ has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 20:12:27 You can blind stuff with that pie 20:12:36 But blinded creatures don't respect Elbereth 20:12:48 Unless they were born blind 20:13:13 Ah, I see: only creatures that were born blind can read. 20:13:28 This dog is the most cursed. 20:13:52 RIP Fluffy Ol' Felix 20:14:01 Killed by money 20:14:06 Evil money 20:14:24 .. What the fuck?! 20:15:10 RIP alise 20:15:21 Thanks, Tyr. 20:16:38 Sgeo_: Is being hit by a floating eye really so bad? 20:16:53 Being paralized by one and dying to some grid bug is 20:17:08 How long does the paralysis last? 20:17:12 Also, *paralysed. 20:17:18 Don't know 20:17:27 Well, that was easy. 20:17:55 Methinks Fluffy saved your life by weakening that eye 20:18:32 -!- Phantom_Hoover_ has joined. 20:19:28 Phantom_Hoover_: http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/7154/lalzn.jpg there you go. (look at that awesome blue cat with the white tail) 20:19:58 Flonk, appallingly weak and without milk. 20:20:05 Milk is unacceptable. 20:20:10 But yes, appallingly weak. 20:20:21 Did you let it infuse for three or more minutes? 20:20:27 I AM VERY SKEPTICAL OF THIS PROPOSITION. 20:20:41 alise, milk is acceptable with lowish-end tea. 20:20:45 I'm sorry. I think it were only 2. 20:20:54 HERETIC 20:20:59 Phantom_Hoover_: But why would you drink lowish-end tea? 20:21:09 alise, money, dear boy! 20:21:09 **NOTE TO SELF: Stash on dlvl 6. 20:21:17 Phantom_Hoover_: Gentlemen do not lack money! 20:21:21 And besides, even if they do, 20:21:27 what better thing to spend your minimal money on than tea?! 20:21:34 **NOTE TO SELF: Steal stash on dlvl 6. 20:22:48 **NOTE TO SELF: Stash consists of plate mail and nothing else. 20:23:13 What's the name of a poisonous corpse? 20:23:28 I can't seem to get PinoBot to warn me about dangerous corpses 20:23:38 pois 20:23:55 Why is CL's namespace system called Lisp-2? 20:24:07 Phantom_Hoover_: because it has N namespaces, but most people only care about 2 20:24:11 It has at least 3 separate namespaces. 20:24:15 Sgeo_: are cursed scrolls ever useful? 20:24:18 Yes 20:24:34 alise, what, so classes don't count? 20:24:35 cursed scroll of genocide lets you make monsters 20:24:39 For instance 20:24:49 Cursed scroll of teleport lets you teleport to different levels 20:25:12 Phantom_Hoover_: not for the point that lisp-2 makes 20:26:06 Sgeo_: quarterstaffs any good? 20:26:19 Wizards start with one 20:26:41 indeed they do 20:26:44 are they any good? 20:27:36 I have no idea 20:27:41 What's good are athames 20:27:52 They engrave elbereth semi-permanently and fast 20:28:11 yeah 20:28:14 -!- Wamanuz2 has joined. 20:28:31 fungot? 20:28:31 Phantom_Hoover_: jade*: nothing grew among the rafters. withel regarded it without love. ymor's ravens were notoriously loyal to their design, prisoners and slaves that have sucked blood from larger animals. 20:28:35 http://www.conservapedia.com/Category:Success 20:28:42 Sgeo_: I don't often Elbereth. 20:28:46 coppro: I'll pick it up then. 20:29:04 <3 Magicbane 20:29:15 alise: you would if you have Magicbane :D 20:29:15 * alise establishes an attitude of complete ignoring to his pets 20:29:24 coppro: i'm a valk man 20:29:28 excalibur is more my thing 20:30:10 alise: it's useful against certain monsters still 20:30:40 LIGHT LIGHT OH THE LIGHT 20:30:45 WHAT CAN I DO BUT STAND IN FRIGHT 20:30:52 (The answer is "run") 20:30:56 -!- sshc has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 20:31:04 Oops, that didn't work. Oh well. 20:31:14 You feel more confident in your weapon skills. It yelps! You hit it. 20:31:15 I... stop that. 20:31:44 -!- sshc has joined. 20:32:14 -!- Wamanuz has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 20:32:36 o.O 20:32:44 You're on Dlvl 7 so soon 20:32:48 Or maybe I just suck 20:32:55 The first levels are ... boring. 20:33:04 I just map them out, kill whatever appears, pick shit up and move on. 20:33:07 No training or anything. 20:33:39 although 20:33:43 this is dlvl 8 and i'm only exp 6 20:33:46 so i should train a bit 20:34:14 i died in angband 20:34:15 again 20:34:22 this sucks 20:34:23 Sgeo_: it's just that nothing's really attacked me. 20:34:42 i con't like the idea thet you cannot save game whenever you llike 20:34:48 nooga, like Angband? 20:35:02 nooga: nethack! 20:35:06 if your sytem doesn't crash it's FUN! 20:37:28 * Sgeo_ WTFs at online graphical nethack 20:37:48 yeah 20:37:51 i keep mixing up up and downstairs 20:38:04 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 20:39:41 I just killed a horse in one hit fuck yeah 20:40:05 How can I ID my bag? 20:40:53 Sgeo_: RIP me. 20:41:01 You're not dead yet 20:41:04 3 hp 20:41:06 -!- Gregor-W has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 20:41:07 prayed merely turns ago 20:41:12 no idea what my potions are 20:41:18 Slow down 20:41:20 And think 20:41:29 I am. Now what? 20:41:34 Is the monster in question Elbereth-respecting? 20:41:41 Soldier ant; so yes, I suppose so. 20:42:14 Don't go team a! 20:42:54 RIP Alise. 20:42:54 Go team ant! 20:43:03 Sgeo_: Fucking return key 20:43:07 ...? 20:43:14 Return key shouldn't cause you to wait 20:43:27 It caused me to /move/. 20:43:35 You were fast; you are dead. 20:44:07 Wizard! 20:44:11 Aww 20:44:21 I can do Valkyrie; I've never played any of the others. :) 20:44:52 Floating eyes are SO easy to kill when you're a wizard 20:45:10 Dammit, tweaking settings 20:45:13 Hm? 20:45:15 Most things are, so long as you have enough pow. 20:45:21 I disabled autopickup 20:45:23 Turns out that's irritating. 20:46:45 pickup_types=/"$? 20:46:48 Removed = because fuck rings. 20:47:00 Actually, added them back in because I'm used to it. 20:47:05 Re-broadcasting. 20:47:31 I'm playing again' 20:50:19 Sgeo_: yeah 20:50:44 So what understandable Scheme-in-Scheme compilers are there? 20:50:45 grr, need to drop stuff 20:51:00 i play angband because i don't like nethack's key bindings 20:51:14 Phantom_Hoover_: ichbins is "almost scheme" 20:51:20 nooga: you mean vi keys? 20:51:21 hjkl 20:51:46 nooga: you can use the number pad 20:51:52 if you enable numpad 20:57:31 -!- sftp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:57:56 -!- sftp has joined. 20:58:11 Sgeo_: SO MANY BOULDERS 20:58:30 And a mimic 20:58:55 i was talking about my game XD 20:59:47 Believe me, there are more boulders here 21:00:44 Wait, the mines? 21:00:50 Oh, right. 21:01:11 -!- zeotrope_ has joined. 21:03:06 I stayed unspoiled the first two levels, minor spoilers the third level, and completely spoiler-reliant the 4th 21:04:04 -!- zeotrope has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 21:04:09 The SICP compiler is very understandable, but it's also not very serious. 21:04:16 (To put it mildly.) 21:05:33 It also targets a strange simulated Scheme register machine; I'm not quite sure what you wanted with a "Scheme-in-Scheme compiler". 21:05:42 dlvl 3, exp 1; this is ludicrous 21:06:58 -!- Gregor-W has joined. 21:08:58 Sgeo_: It feels so much like I'm just ... messing around 21:09:04 In the game 21:09:37 abandoned felix dlvl 3, can't find him 21:09:41 oh, he's down there. 21:13:31 -!- sshc has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 21:13:34 Sgeo_: Shall I fight the shk?! 21:13:41 shk damage: 4d4/4d4 21:13:44 I CAN TOTALLY HANDLE THAT. 21:14:44 Your long sword softly glows with a light blue aura. 21:14:48 The issue is more my HEALTH, Tyr. 21:14:50 -!- sshc has joined. 21:18:56 Sgeo_: Think I should start another game? 21:19:33 Why not? 21:19:40 Because I... I.... Yeah, okay. 21:19:45 Narrowcastin' 21:20:02 Sgeo_: wow, no doors 21:20:03 ssss 21:20:16 Um, Sgeo? 21:20:18 We are trapped. 21:20:51 Or not 21:20:56 Howcome 21:21:04 OBSERVE 21:21:09 200s 21:21:11 still nothing 21:21:17 Look for more doors! 21:21:30 Oh, there. 21:21:34 Hey, NetHack does calculus. 21:21:42 heh 21:22:01 Monsters, you're not meant to run away from me. 21:22:59 You read: "1994-1995. The Longest-Lived Hacker Ever".--More-- 21:25:04 RIP Felix 21:26:41 Trapdoor'd 21:27:24 Sgeo_: wtf 21:27:54 Hm? 21:28:00 Sgeo_: low-lighting ... room 21:28:03 BTW, Trapdoor != death 21:28:25 hardest cave spider ever 21:28:44 WTFFFFF 21:28:47 HOW IS IT DOING THIS 21:29:37 DIE DIE DIE MYSTERIOUS MONSTER BEHIND BOULDER! 21:29:41 How does NH do calculus? 21:29:51 Phantom_Hoover_: "dx" 21:29:57 Sgeo_: a cave spider just got my hp down from ~32 to 7 21:29:58 wat 21:30:00 Poor. 21:30:49 Kitten corpse :( 21:31:06 -!- zeotrope_ has changed nick to zeotrope. 21:32:08 That's even worse when you're a wizard. 21:32:10 @ a human or elf (werejackal) [seen: normal vision, infravision] 21:32:12 Praying time soon <3 21:32:20 Or not 21:33:30 Dlvl:5 $:358 HP:66(66) Pw:6(6) AC:6 Exp:5 T:1938 21:35:30 Unihorn GET 21:35:35 Thank you Sokodog! 21:35:51 Sock a dog 21:39:26 DAMMIT SHK 21:42:09 Don't anger shopkeepers? 21:42:21 but 21:42:28 but but but but the 21:42:31 the. 21:43:06 And NEVER anger Ischak. 21:43:19 **HORRIBLY OFFENSIVE** He'll kill you with cancer! 21:43:27 ...but yeah, fuck the watch. Fuuuuuuck them. 21:44:11 -!- Gregor-W has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 21:46:21 is there any comfortable frontend for nethack? 21:46:58 nooga: yes, nethack 21:47:02 turn on numpad if you don't like vi keys 21:47:10 nooga: ... there are guis, but i don't like them 21:47:13 you might want a large terminal 21:47:19 to stop inventory etc taking up space on the screen 21:47:30 set DECgraphics, colour, hilite_pet... in fact a bunch of options 21:47:34 you may like the menucolour and HPmon patch 21:50:04 Fucking fuck what? 21:50:14 Apparently, 2 > 1 > 3 21:50:26 Erm, 2 < 1 < 3, sorry. 21:50:34 Which is still wrong wrong wrong. 21:50:41 pikhq: whaat 21:51:51 alise: but how am i supposed to move 21:51:58 i don't have numeric keyboard 21:52:03 -!- Phantom_Hoover_ has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 21:52:05 adn hjkl is painful 21:52:08 nooga: ok ... then suck it up and learn vi keys 21:52:13 make sure your hand rests on hjkl 21:52:15 not jkl; 21:52:15 alise: The Primary Phase of H2G2 is showing as discs 3, 1, 2, or 2, 1, 3, depending. 21:52:19 Somehow. 21:52:25 uhu uh 21:52:27 nooga: srsly, for the amount of time a game takes in nethack -- which is LONG 21:52:32 the time spent getting used to vi keys is nothing 21:52:37 diagonals are yubn, by the way 21:52:44 pikhq: In QL? 21:52:55 alise: Yeah. 21:52:55 pikhq: Hmm. Clearly you aren't sorting sufficiently. 21:53:13 pikhq: what is the headers = line in .quodlibet/config? 21:54:01 headers = ~#disc ~#track ~title~version ~album~discsubtitle artist ~#length 21:54:24 What is your sort column in quodlibet? 21:54:32 pikhq: also, how are your albums tagged, wrt. discnumber? 21:54:42 I think that with MusicBrainz, the easiest thing is just to let it put the disc number in the title. 21:55:01 alise: If there are multiple discs in the album, there's a discnumber tag. 21:55:07 pikhq: Right. 21:55:19 pikhq: But Picard can put it in the album tag. 21:55:21 pikhq: Alternatively, close QL and substitute ~album~discnumber~discsubtitle... you may have better luck. 21:55:28 (You can't edit the file while QL is open; it'll overwrite it on quit.) 21:55:51 The display is a little bit ugly -- "Foo - 1 - The Amazing Disc" -- but it should sort correctly. 21:55:53 Probably. 21:56:21 brb 21:56:32 GAAAH 21:56:50 I set it to sort *by disc* and it fucking sorts wrong. 21:56:54 HOW DO YOU FAIL THAT BADLY 21:57:06 SORTING IS NOT THAT FUCKING HARD 21:57:23 On the other hand, it is now sorting with a different order. 21:57:27 2,3,1. 21:57:32 Which makes less sense. 21:58:32 Remove the musicbrainz_albumid tag and it all works. 21:58:38 Moral of the story: that tag is retarded. 22:01:10 -!- derdon has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 22:01:33 yay, I won BN 22:04:22 -!- Phantom_Hoover_ has joined. 22:08:08 DAMMIT 22:09:57 Sgeo_: ? 22:10:11 Thought I messed up Sokoban 22:10:16 oh 22:17:34 -!- cheater109 has changed nick to cheater99. 22:20:47 -!- GreaseMonkey has joined. 22:27:19 -!- BeholdMyGlory has joined. 22:30:11 * alise 's table buckles 22:34:53 -!- cpressey has joined. 22:35:27 cpressey the ... something ending with essey 22:37:41 "Marking an item as out-of-band allows the creation of monads in functional evaluations. More automatism will be introduced in future, but scripters can have monads by assigning the oob status to complex objects and perform out-of-band processing on them. " -- http://www.falconpl.org/project_docs/core/funset_oob_support.html 22:38:15 My dad's being nutty 22:38:38 That's ... unusual ... ? 22:38:44 *...? 22:38:47 cpressey: What. 22:39:06 alise: Short version: Falcon makes me laugh. 22:39:13 I ... 22:39:26 cpressey: also, *Bear Wrestling 22:39:32 RIGHT SORRY 22:39:39 Bear Wrestling makes me laugh. 22:39:55 cpressey: I'm from PETA. Hi. 22:40:02 Argh 22:40:14 They're, uh, robot bears. 22:40:28 Like from Disneyworld, y'know? 22:40:35 I said "PETR", not "PETA". Yeah, I know, they sound alike. 22:40:36 That jamboree thing 22:40:48 Please come with me. 22:41:17 PETR? 22:41:23 Also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Country_Bear_Jamboree 22:41:33 People for the Ethical Treatment of Robots. 22:41:38 OH DAMN 22:41:45 It's a fair cop. 22:42:03 I'll show you a fair cop... MEET THIS POLICEMAN. 22:42:08 He's here to arrest you for robot bear cruelty. 22:42:13 Or, rather, the enjoyment thereof. 22:42:48 -!- Sgeo_ has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 22:50:51 cpressey: I hereby reverse my opinion of NetHack, btw. 22:51:15 You like now? 22:51:47 Well, "like"; I hate its guts (especially the RNG), but, you know... 22:51:57 * alise kicks off his 5435th game 22:52:00 You enjoy. 22:52:09 Not ... enjoy, as such ... 22:52:23 * alise starts seriously considering the possibility that a roguelike is controlling his mind 22:52:44 You have acquired an addiction, I was just going to say... 22:53:01 -- on a more serious note, no, i do like it now 22:53:05 Probably "not dying" helped. 22:54:24 If you aren't here in a few turns, Felix, I'm leaving you behind. 22:58:45 -!- Phantom_Hoover_ has quit (Quit: Leaving). 22:58:59 -!- wareya has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 23:07:30 -!- oerjan has joined. 23:08:29 oerjan: There seem to be undecidable questions about reflective finite automata. 23:08:38 -!- Sgeo has joined. 23:08:41 -!- wareya has joined. 23:08:47 what's reflective? 23:08:59 A "oReflection! 23:09:00 Reflective meaning, it can examine itself. 23:09:35 oh it's own "source code" then? 23:09:41 Like, I dunno, it has a cursor that can travel around the transition table, and it can read its own states and transitions off of it. 23:09:46 Yeah, "source code". 23:10:15 ok then 23:10:30 Because I can write: if (this_automaton_accepts()) then reject(); else accept(); 23:11:01 Of course, this may be some kind of illusion 23:11:13 um that sounds wrong. reading your own source code isn't enough to decide if you accept 23:11:29 accepts_on_any_input()? 23:11:34 and if you simulated yourself you'd end up looking at yourself again 23:11:36 -!- MigoMipo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 23:11:37 ad infinitum 23:11:51 i can't pick up things 23:12:00 nooga: in nethack? 23:12:04 i hope you have autopickup off 23:12:06 it's evil 23:12:11 or at least 23:12:12 severely restricted 23:12:20 oerjan: Well, right, but it can't do that. OK, that's not "undecidable" so much as it is "undecidable by finite automaton". 23:13:00 Sry it was alise who said that 23:13:06 nooga: , picks up, anyway. 23:13:18 well _that's_ not very surprising, really 23:13:53 -!- FireFly has quit (Quit: Zzzz). 23:15:59 oerjan: ... yeah. Well, back to the drawing board 23:16:08 * oerjan declares the logs too long to read again 23:16:24 Aww, Sokodog is dead :( 23:19:09 Sgeo: I'm doing well this game! 23:19:12 BUT SOKODOG IS NOT. 23:19:26 You stole my pet name??? 23:19:32 no 23:19:34 i meant yours 23:19:37 /still/ on sokoban? 23:19:42 I had to go afk 23:19:50 also, soko+dog is hardly something you can own :P 23:21:04 -!- GreaseMonkey has quit (Quit: New quit message. Entering 2006 in style.). 23:21:16 Well, at least the precious " wasn't eaten by a rock mole 23:21:17 dammit 23:21:20 (@ my gamestate) 23:21:37 And at least my laptop's not losing power, causing me to lose the gamestate entirely 23:22:01 HEY NOW THAT'S A SENSITIVE ISSUE 23:22:33 Hmm, I should clear out Soko 23:22:37 @########y##········## 23:22:38 *gulp* 23:22:40 There's a lot of stuff of unknown value 23:22:44 Do you havea blindfold? 23:22:52 Or unihorn? Or carrot? 23:22:52 You feel agile! You must have been working on your reflexes. ;; after 100. 23:22:56 Nope; early game. 23:23:05 Do you mind being blind? 23:23:10 Wait, yellow or black? 23:23:10 Nope; I'm cured. 23:23:12 Yellow. 23:23:16 What's black? 23:23:19 Hallu 23:23:22 Sweet. 23:24:22 d@d 23:24:24 were 23:24:25 dammit 23:24:28 Ooh, /polymorph 23:25:07 Does #monster last even after you change back? 23:25:16 I think #monster varies 23:25:27 But for lycanthropy, the pets stay tame 23:25:49 How long until I unwerewolf? 23:26:02 *shrug* 23:26:34 It seems permanent ... 23:26:36 XD 23:27:14 ... 23:27:17 Sgeo: just waiting doesn't help, does it? 23:27:51 there 23:27:55 woot jackal pets 23:28:00 I think you'll turn back to @-form eventually, but not de-lycanthropize 23:28:09 will praying cure it? 23:28:12 DON'T YOU DARE STEAL MY WAND, MONKEY 23:28:16 I think so, not sure 23:28:25 yep 23:28:40 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Reboot). 23:30:11 Sokopussy 23:30:39 Sokokitty 23:31:22 | alise | 23:31:22 | 480 Au | 23:31:22 | killed by a | 23:31:22 | killer bee | 23:32:18 -!- oerjan has joined. 23:33:55 Sgeo: gimme dat bag 23:34:03 What bag? 23:34:07 This is my inventory 23:34:23 I'm looting a chest 23:34:40 Putting some junk away 23:34:59 i thought you had a bag 23:35:00 :p 23:35:01 oh yeah 23:35:05 you can use chests to put things in 23:35:06 only now considered that 23:35:57 Are all these fruits rotton? 23:35:59 Dangit! 23:36:35 Rotton 23:37:13 I am totally missing out on this NetHack craze I guess 23:37:43 Why'd my pet die? 23:37:59 -!- tombom has quit (Quit: Leaving). 23:38:01 My useless Sokopussy 23:38:14 cpressey: Apparently watching me infects everyone else. 23:38:28 Although I'm rather boring before I get to... well, around Sokoban time. 23:41:55 Dangit, I think I used up that poly wand 23:42:09 Fuck you and your Amulet of Reflection! 23:42:25 alise, Soko can also hold BoH 23:42:40 Yes, yes. 23:43:02 My polymorph got a completely useless cure blindness spell 23:44:46 is that useless? i get this impression y'all are getting blind a lot 23:45:00 I have a unihorn, which cures blindness easily 23:45:05 ah. 23:48:24 -!- Flonk_ has joined. 23:50:08 -!- Flonk has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 23:50:22 -!- Flonk_ has changed nick to Flonk. 23:53:35 alise, check out all my new spells! 23:55:29 Gonna go make some more without regards to sensibility 23:56:20 OOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHH 23:56:22 Charm Monster! 23:57:20 -!- Flonk has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.8/20100722155716]). 23:58:37 Gonna save here and relax