< 1282176221 0 :leBMD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...something's wrong here. < 1282176237 0 :leBMD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"SRCN"4(1I1NSR)&@ < 1282176244 0 :leBMD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what I did wrong, but I did it. < 1282176417 0 :Wamanuz!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1282176526 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AP is passing artist's conceptions of black holes off as pictures taken from a telescope. Yay for journalistic integrity! < 1282176569 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was all like, "holy shit we actually have a PICTURE of one, maybe I'll start believing that they exist now", and then I googled, and was all like, "oh. no." < 1282176618 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, I'm pretty sure they exist. < 1282176642 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1282176654 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: As you may have guessed, I'm not. < 1282176678 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear (of course, I'm no physicist) there's pretty compelling evidence. < 1282176686 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Astronomers have identified numerous stellar black hole candidates, and have also found evidence of supermassive black holes at the center of galaxies. In 1998, astronomers found compelling evidence that a supermassive black hole of more than 2 million solar masses is located near the Sagittarius A* region in the center of the Milky Way galaxy, and more recent results using additional data find evidence that the supermassive black hole is more than 4 milli < 1282176686 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on solar masses. < 1282176687 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--WP < 1282176719 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm glad they were compelled. < 1282176732 0 :leBMD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, do you guys know what I did wrong? < 1282176740 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have any reason to contradict the vast majority of physicists, cpressey? < 1282176747 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :leBMD: Nope, but that's because I don't know the problem. < 1282176753 0 :leBMD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"SRCN"4(1I1NSR)&@ < 1282176762 0 :leBMD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I open it in ccbi, it just kind of freezes. < 1282176788 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I'm not contradicting them. I have no evidence that they *don't* exist. But I find their evidence pretty slim. < 1282176803 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Gravitational lensing," for instance... < 1282176819 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there are numerious objects that either have to be black holes, or something even *more* exotic. < 1282176820 0 :leBMD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do I need parentheses in my commands that require arguments? < 1282176839 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gravitational lensing asks me to believe that there are lots of occurrences in the heavens of a star *exactly behind* a black hole, from our point of view. < 1282176876 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yet, do we have any examples of a black hole sitting in front of, say, a nebula, where it would be easy to spot, even *visually*? < 1282176951 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ordinary gravitational lensing involves galaxies or entiere galaxy groups performing the lensing. I think the name when black hole performs the lensing is microlensing. < 1282177017 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: I wasn't aware of that terminology. But OK. < 1282177110 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: You will make Stephen Hawking sad if you don't think black holes exist. < 1282177112 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's disabled. < 1282177115 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have any idea how offensive that would be? < 1282177132 0 :leBMD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1282177188 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think most serious GR replacement theories do have black holes... < 1282177189 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: What can I say? I'm just a sadistic bastard that way. < 1282177221 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, one can't tell what happens when one takes quantum gravitation into account... < 1282177239 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes to learn more about Falcon programming language
< 1282177266 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no < 1282177280 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Yeah, you actually turned Sgeo /on/ to Falcon. < 1282177285 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Congratu-fuckin'-lations. < 1282177285 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arrrgh < 1282177309 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The designer is a native of Bologna, and the language is total bologna. Coincidence? I think not. < 1282177331 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falcon_(programming_language) Wow. This should either not exist or be a tenth of its length. < 1282177342 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bologna as in BS? < 1282177347 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Yes. :-) < 1282177359 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the stuff on functional programming have to be all the theory first? < 1282177369 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :loool < 1282177411 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if I said that Falcon is the NetHack of programming languages? < 1282177421 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has everything including the kitchen sink < 1282177435 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Issue: NetHack is fun and amusing, Falcon isn't. < 1282177446 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather, NetHack is fun and amusing apart from as mockery. < 1282177450 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: In programming languages, more syntax features is worse) < 1282177460 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in general) < 1282177462 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Do you "believe" in dark energy/matter? < 1282177499 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"we present some novel nomenclature to identify functional programming entities" < 1282177508 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, I'm afraid reading further may screw up my brain < 1282177525 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Not sure how to answer that. I guess "no". I believe in unaccounted-for observations. < 1282177561 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dark matter is apparently real. But I don't think it has been established wheither dark energy is real or represents inaccuracy of GR... < 1282177567 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Well, that's not a reassuring answer, since what I gather from cosmologists is that dark * actually has very very good evidence (possibly better than black holes?). < 1282177572 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looking at unaccounted-for observations and saying, "Gee, there must be a whole lot more matter out there that we can't see, let's call it 'dark matter'" -- < 1282177580 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Let's go with matter. < 1282177583 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot which it was. < 1282177589 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: That isn't what happened, though. < 1282177595 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: That's just how idiots popularised it. < 1282177623 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: So where is it and what is it? < 1282177632 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Space. Dark matter. < 1282177637 0 :leBMD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, I don't even know what I'm doing anymore. XD < 1282177641 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: What is a quark? < 1282177652 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, I've also been watching Stargate Infinity < 1282177653 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Why is it called matter? < 1282177656 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: What is a quark? < 1282177671 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: A quark is a building block of matter. Is dark matter made of quarks? < 1282177683 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Does it behave like matter? < 1282177699 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it is not made of quarks. < 1282177702 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In short, why classify it with matter? < 1282177707 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: You know, I don't actually know anything about it; people who do know much more about it than me says it most very likely exists, and I don't think I consider mainstream cosmology quackery. < 1282177709 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it have momentum? < 1282177713 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has mass and inertia. < 1282177718 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter < 1282177720 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: that's something. < 1282177726 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here is my generalised answer to your question. < 1282177736 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also gravitational mass. < 1282177738 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: The way you're talking is the way ultrafinitists talk. :) < 1282177746 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Where's infinity? What is it? How can you have an infinitely big set?" < 1282177760 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Strong gravitational lensing as observed by the Hubble Space Telescope in Abell 1689 indicates the presence of dark matter—enlarge the image to see the lensing arcs." < 1282177770 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that class as evidence, cpressey? < 1282177784 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" It would be more accurate to say that arrays know what a Table instance is, and are kind with them, rather than seeing the Table class as special ." < 1282177787 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION bliks
< 1282177787 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Dark matter is crucial to the Big Bang model of cosmology [...]" < 1282177789 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*blinks < 1282177812 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, Tables are a bit magical. Can I do this magic to make my own SgTable class, or is it just More Magic hidden somewhere out of sight? < 1282177819 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it when I know how the magic works < 1282177821 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there is supersymmetry, the lightest supersymmetric particle is good candidate for dark matter. < 1282177884 0 :leBMD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey cpressey, when dealing with fingerprints, why is there always a "4" after the fingerprint name? < 1282177900 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :leBMD: length of fingerprint name < 1282177903 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ABCD"4 < 1282177904 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION WTFs at Pages
< 1282177907 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"LULZR"5 < 1282177910 0 :leBMD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ok < 1282177912 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 is used because of 32-bit < 1282177935 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION considers implementing Tables in Smalltalk for s**ts and giggles
< 1282177959 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently dark matter only reacts to gravitational and weak forces. Would certainly explain why its "dark". < 1282177960 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soots < 1282177962 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soots and giggles. < 1282177966 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: stop self-censoring. < 1282178000 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to ***k with someone < 1282178027 0 :leBMD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So then, when you call a command from a fingerprint, like "D for Destroy" or whatever, all you do is put the capital letter there, right? < 1282178041 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: It's some evidence. Not what I'd call conclusive. < 1282178063 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great minds: http://nedroid.com/2010/05/that-explains-everything/ http://www.qwantz.com/index.php?comic=1777 < 1282178076 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sucks at driving a stick shift
< 1282178115 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1282178159 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Regarding dark energy: I saw some paper that IIRC fitted some cosmological curve (that would involve dark energy in GR) with no parameters. Didn't chekck if the math is good... < 1282178188 0 :leBMD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So then, if a command needed an argument like "D(m-- ) Destroy if m==1, destroy mode off if m!=1" how would I go about that? Would I put the arguments into the stack? < 1282178197 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it does have parameters, but those are needed to fit local laws of physics, leaving no global parameters). < 1282178212 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Physics_of_Star_Trek ;; lol < 1282178240 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm should I run /exec -o head --bytes 400 /dev/urandom | tr -d '\n\r' < 1282178246 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1282178248 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be interesting to see who complains < 1282178253 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :H
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���0��A�[��n>.`�V�B�O��ӡ�L����.�ts/���]I�uس��ro���y���a�����d�mf�~����/�']� < 1282178260 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully that messes up some terminal :P < 1282178274 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My browser kerploded. < 1282178274 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Loads of unknown characters... < 1282178313 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal has successfully levelled down by successfully decreasing his experience points by using his "Retardedness" power, which exercised his "regressive, childlike state of mind" attribute! < 1282178314 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My terminal shows question marks. < 1282178318 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TADA! < 1282178355 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And my hands smell like gasoline. < 1282178375 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My terminal shows question marks, my hands smell like gasoline, and I'm ready to KICK SOME ASS. < 1282178399 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note to self: fill your damned gas tank up before it shows up as "empty". The gauge LIES! < 1282178439 0 :leBMD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so now I've got it displaying something, but it fills up the screen. < 1282178456 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strangely, Pidgin did not crash at that. < 1282178475 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets give it another go! < 1282178477 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9N[/��מO +FZ��������,[�V,�%� < 1282178481 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah quite short < 1282178521 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that hardly counts does it? ;P < 1282178523 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y��T>�s��:j�뮮�@�������ϻ$�obK�K�+��!���‘�4cD}�ݬ���|��PW3��"�Y���}��f�'[���M^�����LD;�d�g*��Q2�V��eߍ���������Em��jE�7�a���_���_K�+y�i��䏟�AE�.�q����ڬ$T�ܙb3�ԭb+���I���R���tr��Bu�+}Y9 �u�����hح��]J�A����@Mv'lpua��&G���O�IZ(_г�J���]D?�:�`�����+%�t��W�nC~�t��xm�H���R�;��un������37�и�:ߔ-�RU$�98/��=������]�ݫŒے�bqPRk�F)M8 k��ʸ��� D�Ѻ[��� < 1282178525 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okayt I'll stop < 1282178532 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, worth doingit < 1282178534 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing it* < 1282178540 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just for the reactions < 1282178556 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully the log will be octet-stream now too < 1282178563 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the string that c_str() returns does not need to be freed manually, right? < 1282178577 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION deletes that line.
< 1282178656 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal, which line? < 1282178670 0 :Flonk!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1282178740 0 :leBMD!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: gtg < 1282178743 0 :Flonk!~chatzilla@80-123-35-184.adsl.highway.telekom.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1282178752 0 :Flonk!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1282178768 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the line freeing the string that c_str() returns. < 1282178774 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I'm not planning to obnoxiously promote my crackpot skeptic ideas in here. I will say, however, that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:GalacticRotation2.svg does not exactly scream "Inverse square law" to me. < 1282178782 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal, ah < 1282178804 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And on that note -- good evening, all. < 1282178810 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1282178823 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dark matter? *shrug* < 1282179180 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: c_str? < 1282179221 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: yes, the method of a C++ string that converts it into a C char pointer. < 1282179241 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1282179317 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Said C string should not be modified, and is not guaranteed to exist after modification of the C++ string object. < 1282179346 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warrigal: Freeing the result of c_str will result in undefined behavior down the line; don't do it. < 1282179402 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Luckily, freeing it appears to be a type error. < 1282179422 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes; C++ doesn't do implicit casts to/from void*. < 1282179437 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this case, between char * and const char *. < 1282179461 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... void free(void*), not void free(char*). < 1282179545 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. Neptune has orbited once since its discovery. < 1282179571 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, true. < 1282179584 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shrugs.
< 1282180032 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would you deliberately use C++? < 1282180135 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Pluto has orbited 73.99999 times < 1282180140 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Complete and utter fabrication. < 1282180262 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who cares about Pluto. < 1282180265 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not even a friggin' planet. < 1282180271 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PLUTO IS MADE OF ROBOTS < 1282180274 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALL ROBOTS ROBOTS ROBOTS < 1282180278 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dwarf robots. < 1282180300 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The new NetHack race! < 1282180779 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Do people who aren't you or oerjan like Triangle and Robert? < 1282180808 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a forum... < 1282180817 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Truly proof that anyone can write a comic! < 1282180832 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly spam these days, but go back a bit < 1282180832 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://voy.com/50101/ < 1282180846 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't technically need any art then really, do you? < 1282180851 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Little placeholder names would suffice for everything. < 1282180871 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, the poor art is a plotpoint < 1282180906 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY TBALE < 1282180910 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY ARE YOU COLLAPSED < 1282180911 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*TABLE < 1282180924 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm? < 1282180933 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my table has collapsed < 1282180939 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thusly it is resting on me and not stable in and of itself < 1282180940 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is bad < 1282182300 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, a rule that comex wrote is horribly broken < 1282182684 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, I could be a complete idiot, which I am < 1282182748 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Sgeo|Shamed < 1282182832 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION puts the Dunce Cap on Sgeo|Shamed.
< 1282182906 0 :Sgeo|Shamed!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, at least I'm safe from mind-flayers < 1282182959 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No you're not. < 1282182969 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mind flayers are also casters. < 1282182973 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody is safe from casters. < 1282182987 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric: "We will out-pedant your NetHack jokes." < 1282182987 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't have summon nasties, do they? < 1282183030 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Oh, *Nethack* jokes. < 1282183036 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going with D&D. < 1282183053 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is quite possible, but I have Sgeo|Shamed mentally down as more of a NetHack guy than anything else. < 1282183061 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Casters are scary as fucking hell in D&D, due to being the only effective classes from about level 5 up. < 1282183062 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Discounting the things that don't even count as games.) < 1282183071 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1282183086 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, rather, they're the only effective classes *because* they're scary as hell) < 1282183087 0 :Sgeo|Shamed!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm more of a Mutation person < 1282183095 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|Shamed: Which were you referencing? < 1282183096 0 :Sgeo|Shamed!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which _does_ count as a game) < 1282183100 0 :Sgeo|Shamed!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, NetHack < 1282183105 0 :Sgeo|Shamed!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know little about D&D < 1282183107 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See! I was right. Ha. < 1282183131 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|Shamed: Mechanically, D&D and Nethack are related. So, you know something about D&D. < 1282183157 0 :Sgeo|Shamed!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also read OOTS, so I know a bit about D&D from there < 1282183168 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: *NetHack < 1282183171 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 OOtS < 1282183175 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Right. < 1282183183 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPELLING PEDANTRY BEATS EVERY OTHER FORM OF PEDANTRY < 1282183207 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Spelling *pedantry *beats *every *other *form *of *pedantry *. < 1282183240 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that grammar? < 1282183267 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1282183269 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's orthography < 1282183282 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TYPE OF PEDANTRY PEDANTRY, BITCHES! < 1282183316 0 :cal153!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1282184088 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1282184286 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Later < 1282184864 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shigeru Miyamoto: There's something I've learned from making this new Mario title multiplayer. < 1282184864 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Satoru Iwata: And what's that? < 1282184864 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shigeru Miyamoto: I realized that, fundamentally, Mario is a game where if you fail and lose a turn, you'll be sent straight back to the start. < 1282184963 0 :cal153!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1282185454 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1282186840 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1282186935 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye. < 1282186937 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1282186947 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g'day folks < 1282186950 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g'night folks < 1282187138 0 :Gregor-P!~AndChat@184-195-65-19.pools.spcsdns.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1282187373 0 :Sgeo|Shamed!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Sgeo|ShamedAgain < 1282190699 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1282190722 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And how do I get DVI to print, I keep getting METAFONT error? < 1282190800 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1282192090 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do I need a laser printer for DVI? < 1282194615 0 :Sgeo|ShamedAgain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would imagine not < 1282194860 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then why do I get METAFONT error? < 1282195288 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have schematic diagrams for computers based on INTERCAL? < 1282195987 0 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1282196150 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1282196326 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1282196526 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1282196701 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know there is a Japanese book describing esolangs, and that even AAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! is included? < 1282197425 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.2.8/20100722155716] < 1282197913 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Awesome. < 1282198938 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : sauce < 1282199213 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An interpreter written in Ruby might exist. < 1282199218 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I am not sure. < 1282199292 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1282200010 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: New quit message. Entering 2006 in style. < 1282201345 0 :MizardX!~MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1282201374 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I find the information and implementation for: ETHEL, Okapi, Whothm < 1282201650 0 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1282201699 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : Do you have a link to that book? < 1282201715 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: No < 1282201742 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But look on Wikipedia under [[Unlambda]] I think you can find a preview of a few pages < 1282202491 0 :relet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1282203816 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1282204361 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you add Hackiki into esolangs, I have a few suggestions. One is to add OpenID support to MediaWiki so that the accounts can be linked. Another is to provide read-only access between both systems (so that a MediaWiki page can transclude a Hackiki file, and a Hackiki program can read a MediaWiki page). Third is to put Enhanced CWEB, and TeX, and modify cwebmac.tex (and cweave.w if needed) to weave to HTML < 1282204378 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And that if you download the file, you can then run it locally and weave to TeX and DVI or PDF, as well, just like normal way) < 1282204499 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone can also put in a MediaWiki parser, so that the MediaWiki files are readable in Hackiki! < 1282204605 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: These days, CthulhuIRCd is the only standard compliant one with server scripts and that has built-in support for the SUMMON command. < 1282204799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1282204800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1282204869 0 :cheater209!~cheater@p54972C1A.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1282205076 0 :cheater109!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1282206584 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 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Entering 2006 in style. < 1282222890 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1282223208 0 :ais523!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1282225072 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1282226491 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1282226508 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-6-147.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1282227091 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1282228504 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-70.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1282228817 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1282228822 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-70.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1282229111 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1282230290 0 :cpressey!~CPressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1282232218 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1282232298 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-8-208.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1282232417 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1282233345 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@92.233.174.117 JOIN :#esoteric < 1282233354 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1282233361 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@92.233.174.117 JOIN :#esoteric < 1282233571 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1282233769 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1282233892 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1282235037 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, I have found yet another reason to <3 Amazon < 1282235049 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, what is it? < 1282235110 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have a download manager for direct music purchases, and they distribute Linux binaries < 1282235269 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1282235281 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a few issues with the way they do it, but they get points < 1282235316 0 :Quadrescence!~Quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence JOIN :#esoteric < 1282235356 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1282235573 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1282235726 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also apparently it uses boost < 1282235727 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even better < 1282235801 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o hai < 1282237452 0 :Flonk_!~chatzilla@188-22-120-211.adsl.highway.telekom.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1282237624 0 :Flonk!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1282237630 0 :Flonk_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Flonk < 1282238891 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1282239916 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|ShamedAgain, why the nick? < 1282240271 0 :cal153!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1282241330 0 :Sgeo|ShamedAgain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dangit, acidentally cleared the chatlog < 1282241344 0 :Sgeo|ShamedAgain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought something stupid related to Agora. < 1282241350 0 :Sgeo|ShamedAgain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And msg'd other people. < 1282241362 0 :Sgeo|ShamedAgain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then, similar for something else in Agora < 1282241601 0 :cal153!~cal@70.36.237.178 JOIN :#esoteric < 1282242235 0 :derdon!~quassel@p5B3E526F.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1282243623 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1282243821 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1282244083 0 :wareya_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1282244181 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1282244959 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl29-2-0-cust326.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1282245321 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|ShamedAgain, do you really like Falcon? < 1282245354 0 :Sgeo|ShamedAgain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have yet to have an opinion, other than to note that there's nothing too exciting about it, and it seems to have a bit of an excess of syntax < 1282245418 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fucking router. Hand out a damned DHCP lease. < 1282245455 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sexyalevels.tumblr.com/ < 1282245459 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blew my mind. < 1282246193 0 :Sgeo|ShamedAgain!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Sgeo < 1282246206 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fucking router. Accept packets. < 1282246350 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1282246362 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At half seven‽ < 1282247785 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1282248308 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1282248345 0 :leBMD!~chatzilla@174-23-6-67.slkc.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1282248355 0 :leBMD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello. < 1282248409 0 :relet!~thomas@c905DBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1282248494 0 :cheater209!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :cheater00 < 1282248640 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :cheater- < 1282248672 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :cheater00 < 1282248922 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1282248940 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl29-2-0-cust326.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1282248944 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :leBMD! < 1282248953 0 :leBMD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi! < 1282249170 0 :leBMD!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I still haven't figured out how to get fingerprints in funge-98 to work right. XD < 1282252437 0 :leBMD!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: my eyes hurt < 1282252959 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1282255173 0 :derdon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1282255873 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Quit < 1282255993 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1282256491 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1282256956 0 :stalingrad!~Elive_use@201-65-21-46.poolip.SDR.embratel.net.br JOIN :#esoteric < 1282257144 0 :stalingrad!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1282257242 0 :relet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1282257416 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-8-208.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1282257594 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1282257601 0 :alise!~alise@91.104.239.187 JOIN :#esoteric < 1282257735 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:25:10 they have a download manager for direct music purchases, and they distribute Linux binaries < 1282257750 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a download manager for zero-cost direct any media purchases, and they distribute Linux source AND binaries! < 1282257759 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, the protocol is open, and there are many different clients. < 1282257768 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:35:26 also apparently it uses boost < 1282257769 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:35:27 even better < 1282257769 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some definition of "better". < 1282257823 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, some people do like staying on the right side of the law ... unless you're referring to HTTP instead of BitTorrent < 1282257865 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: BitTorrent is 150% legal. < 1282257871 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: People probably break the law all the time and don't realise it. < 1282257899 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides, I consider obeying unenforceable, morally incorrect laws to be Wrong. < 1282257900 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, yes. Each time your cells undergo mitosis you've violated patent law once again. < 1282257943 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though you could probably win the case under doctrine of laches) < 1282257950 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I will accept the rules that you feel necessary to your freedom. I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." ;; Heinlein is wrong about a lot of things, but he's pretty damn close to the mark here. < 1282258289 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1282258307 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl29-2-0-cust326.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1282258350 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does that even mean? < 1282258356 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ^ < 1282258363 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Exactly what it says. < 1282258376 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I can do what I like? < 1282258389 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does "morally responsible" mean in this context? < 1282258391 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't believe it said that, no. < 1282258409 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. < 1282258428 0 :cpressey!~CPressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1282258430 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an awful lot of things flying over heads right now. < 1282258431 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I will follow whichever rules I want" < 1282258439 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually head, singular. < 1282258462 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I suppose some context would help. < 1282258477 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you could read "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress". < 1282258491 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Context is for losers < 1282258510 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And floosers. < 1282258516 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And paloozas. < 1282258635 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And dubdubdubdoozas? < 1282258772 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Allegiance time < 1282258774 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, OK, from the start. ""I will accept the rules that you feel necessary to your freedom." < 1282258779 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :loser cpressey reads the log < 1282258811 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely that contradicts the rest? < 1282258883 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that it later states that he will ignore obnoxious rules. < 1282258963 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, perhaps "accept" doesn't mean "follow" in that. < 1282258979 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, perhaps. < 1282259166 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1282259268 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → sleep
< 1282259286 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, can I do that for quit messages? < 1282259298 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: → sleep < 1282259355 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't look quite the same, for me. But it looks the same in the tunes log. < 1282260105 0 :Quadrescence!~Quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence JOIN :#esoteric < 1282260115 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: New quit message. Entering 2006 in style. < 1282260279 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia: "In computability theory, a collection of data-manipulation rules (an instruction set, programming language, or cellular automaton) is said to be Turing complete if and only if such system can simulate a single-taped Turing machine." < 1282260296 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, here's my single-taped Turing machine: it has one state and one symbol and one transition. < 1282260314 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And here's my language X that simulates it: (insert trivial language here). < 1282260343 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to wikipedia, my language is Turing-complete. Because it "can simulate a single-taped Turing machine" -- the one I just described. < 1282260382 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I blame Wikipedia. It should say "any" or "a universal" < 1282260392 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which are equivalent) < 1282260397 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Sorry if it wasn't clear -- I blame Wikipedia too :) < 1282260470 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"any" and "a universal" aren't *quite* equivalent, unfortunately -- it brings up the issue of how you handle input. < 1282260506 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: God dammit, why does MusicBrainz credit every single performer? < 1282260509 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just want tags! < 1282260512 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer "any". Otherwise you allow languages that can only simulate one fixed UTM to be called Turing-complete. It may be technically true, but... blargh < 1282260537 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: a UTM is only universial if it can simulate any TM < 1282260542 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Well, any language that can simulate a UTM can simulate any TM. < 1282260556 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you fix the input as well, it's not universal < 1282260721 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yeah well eff you. < 1282260775 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: If you can simulate a specific UTM you can simulate all Turing-complete systems. So nyaah. < 1282260810 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: My criticism is that a language that lets you only write one program is a boring language, even if that one program is a UTM. < 1282260814 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Maybe I'll create /usr/bin/DEFUCK_MUSICBRAINZ_TAGS. With that capitalisation. < 1282260820 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some value of "boring". < 1282260826 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: we haven't proven that yet < 1282260833 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boring, of course; but Turing complete. < 1282260836 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Uh, yes we have. < 1282260845 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: UTM = can simulate any Turing machine. < 1282260847 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you mean -- < 1282260850 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Church-Turing hypothesis? < 1282260852 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1282260858 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : cpressey: If you can simulate a specific UTM you can simulate all Turing-complete [and no higher] systems. So nyaah. < 1282260863 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the obvious implied meaning. < 1282260900 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1282260900 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If, on the other hand, every TM maps to some (different) program in your language (and without regard to input for those programs), then your language is still Turing-complete, and less "boring". < 1282260958 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Swhy I prefer "any", is all. I'm not saying "a universal" is wrong or anything. < 1282260972 0 :Wamanuz!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1282260973 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, of course it's a *boring* language. < 1282260985 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We do not limit our definitions to only interesting languages. < 1282260991 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I'd really like is two different terms for those two properties. < 1282261018 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1282261019 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turing-complete and "Pleases cpressey". < 1282261030 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which mean, what I'd really like is *a* term for the property I just described. < 1282261039 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cpressey-complete. < 1282261041 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Please sir, I did describe it more formally than that. < 1282261084 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: you mean that a single program can simulate the set of Turing machines that are equivalent except for their input tape < 1282261087 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1282261097 0 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1282261102 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: no... < 1282261123 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then please provide a different formal definition < 1282261162 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that I can explain why you're wrong < 1282261180 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, you have a language X, and you can map every TM to some unique element of X, and you don't have to do anything with input (except maybe a trivial mapping between alphabets if you like.) < 1282261186 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: How can a definition be wrong? < 1282261202 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Internally inconsistent, maybe... < 1282261213 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1282261219 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: By "wrong" he means "stupid". < 1282261232 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1282261232 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: input is part of a TM < 1282261270 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Er - not in my definition of TMs, it's not. Otherwise how would you distinguish between the Halting Problem and the Uniform Halting Problem, for exampel? < 1282261318 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can look at a TM + its input as a set of TM's if you like, of course < 1282261333 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: there is a very specific definition of a TM as a 7-tuple < 1282261357 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: There is also a very specific defintion of a TM as a 4-tuple < 1282261389 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a 4-tuple? < 1282261395 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6, I could see < 1282261512 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blame Papadimitriou, I guess. At any rate, it doesn't matter if input is part of a TM or not, for my definition, does it? < 1282261541 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure it does < 1282261549 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because then you can provide a proper definition of what you're describing < 1282261553 0 :augur!~augur@c-98-218-226-149.hsd1.dc.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1282261571 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Can you show how I have failed to do so? < 1282261583 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you don't have to do anything with input" is hopelessly vague < 1282261590 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine, delete that part. < 1282261601 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a language X, and you can map every TM to some unique element of X. < 1282261650 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If X has this property, then X is Turing-complete. But Y can be Turing-complete, but not have this property. < 1282261666 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'd like a name for this property. < 1282261668 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's all, really. < 1282261669 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turing-isomorphic? < 1282261673 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turing-specifier? < 1282261684 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isomorphic is wrong in case the language is super-TC. < 1282261699 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: can you give an example of Y < 1282261700 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turing-onto? < 1282261722 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y might be a language with only one element: a program which implements a UTM. < 1282261744 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: even some boring languages fit your specification < 1282261753 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a UTM simulator, and a function that spits out a UTM program to simulate a given TM < 1282261755 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then just plug the two together < 1282261761 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though the language may not be able to "natively" simulate a given TM < 1282261775 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh, a language that can do that is unlikely to be boring :) < 1282261847 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUU < 1282261849 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I'm not totally sure I follow that particulat example but I'm aware there are probably ways to wiggle around this, which is why I was quick to scare-quotify "boring" :) < 1282261857 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :particular* < 1282261859 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :again, i got accidentaly killed in angband again < 1282261881 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: say we have foo(x) = y such that UTM(y) simulates the turing machine x < 1282261887 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: say foo is computable in language X < 1282261899 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: say we also have a single UTM simulator in X < 1282261911 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then UTMsim(foo(x)) proves X non-boring < 1282261918 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though it can only "natively" simulate one UTM < 1282261920 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which you were trying to avoid < 1282261973 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1282261977 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well -- just because we *can* map every TM to some unique element of X doesn't mean we *have* to -- if that's what you're getting at < 1282261989 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can also map them all to one program < 1282261989 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1282262007 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You said "languages that can only simulate one UTM suck" and tried to provide a property that did not accept languages that can do that. < 1282262017 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I just demonstated is that even though language X can only express one UTM, it meets your property. < 1282262062 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1282262071 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1282262083 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was using Y for that language, ftr -- but Y only *has* one element (the UTM program). How can all TMs map to *unique* elements of Y? < 1282262117 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, only one element full stop. < 1282262132 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you meant that it could have an assortment of random programs and subprograms, but only one actually did UTM computation. < 1282262151 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. No. One element, full stop, as you say. < 1282262154 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like a "zap" instruction that interprets the Foo Buffer as a UTM, but all other operations form a sub-TC language. < 1282262156 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1282262171 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Then it's as equal to the UTM it simulates as you can get; indistinguishable, even. < 1282262189 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Or a subset of Pascal that just contains one program, a Brainfuck interpeter. < 1282262210 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think those are such edge cases that you can just ignore them. < 1282262213 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't be an AnMaster. :)