< 1284249734 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Heh, the eye's just a badly designed digital camera. <-- a LOT of MP though < 1284249892 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's rather analog than digital < 1284249914 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ nice FOV and extremely fast AF < 1284249927 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair dynamic range, also < 1284250090 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1284250091 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-29-214.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1284250107 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :576 megapixels, according to some back-of-the-envelope calculations in the internet. (That was based on 120/60 degree H/V-FOV and the maximum acuity, so it does sort-of mean taking multiple "shots".) < 1284250131 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, slow changing the stopping though < 1284250138 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps changing the ISO < 1284250141 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure which < 1284250160 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but when it gets there it is good at that level < 1284250191 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just takes ages to change from f11 1/2000 ISO64 to f3.5 1/2 ISO800 < 1284250277 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1284250278 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1284250310 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's quite a lot of difference in the luma/chroma resolution, what with only about 5 % of the retinal cells being color-sensitive. < 1284250318 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pupil reacts quite fast < 1284250326 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, true. < 1284250340 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, more around "straight ahead" iirc? < 1284250347 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've got funny illness < 1284250371 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and the resolution goes way down out towards the edges < 1284250371 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes, my left eye breaks < 1284250377 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean the tumor < 1284250383 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, you can't read anything not straight ahead < 1284250393 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, breaks? < 1284250395 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also didn't you get glass in your eye < 1284250412 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, doctor right away! < 1284250413 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, because it's completely healthy from the optical point fo view < 1284250419 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seen the doctor < 1284250422 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and? < 1284250453 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he said it's a problem with optical nerve bandwith < 1284250465 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it looks just like it < 1284250465 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8| < 1284250486 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get a new optical nerve < 1284250494 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first, the colors start to dim, and it's like changing color depth in a computer display < 1284250499 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then everything is gray < 1284250516 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then i can see only contours and movement < 1284250541 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then just static, like in TV, but really hi-res < 1284250555 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, um and what triggers it? < 1284250575 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after 3-5 minutes everything is back to normal < 1284250585 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, also I doubt that you should drive if you get such things < 1284250593 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it happens rarely < 1284250593 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds dangerous combined with driving < 1284250609 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never had that when driving < 1284250615 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's just one eye :D < 1284250633 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i would have time to stop by the road and wait < 1284250634 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, that stills removes some 80° or such of your view field < 1284250647 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1284250657 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1284250662 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, on a freeway or such? < 1284250663 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1284250665 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :degrees < 1284250666 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahah < 1284250668 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, would be tricky < 1284250670 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read that as 80% < 1284250675 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are no FREEWAYS in Poland :P < 1284250683 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, oh? < 1284250686 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah poland is a fucking desert < 1284250694 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's just PRISONWAYS. < 1284250706 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, there are, but only a few < 1284250708 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, weren't you driving in Sweden or something some year(s) ago? < 1284250711 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would guess they let one-eyed people drive, though. < 1284250726 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, and we have E4, E6, E18, E20 and so on < 1284250730 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: seriously, didn't you get glass in your eye < 1284250731 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :110 km/h < 1284250737 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :serious business < 1284250737 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in many places < 1284250750 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: true, i've been there, 110km/h < 1284250758 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :120 km/h on freeways here, at least in the summer. < 1284250764 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :100HP saab 9-5 < 1284250776 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, there something like that eye issue would possibly be fatal < 1284250777 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :200* < 1284250777 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but you can go faster if you're badass < 1284250786 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, -_- < 1284250793 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: in what sense? < 1284250801 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, collision risk < 1284250805 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: don't say driving too fast is bad for you if you haven't tried it < 1284250806 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a chance < 1284250810 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not on a freeway < 1284250819 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1284250826 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, well, also hard to stop along the side of the road < 1284250837 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in sweden, because you meet 5 cars on the freeway, during whole day < 1284250847 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, um not my experience < 1284250853 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, depends on where though I guess < 1284250870 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, what do you know about living dangerously? < 1284250876 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get this effect rare and i know when it starts < 1284250894 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, near Gothenburg or Stockholm the chances are you will be stuck in queues. Around where I live you don't get queues but the traffic can be quite intense < 1284250898 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've got 2-3 minutes to react < 1284250901 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :driving a car sounds scary, i doubt i'll ever do it < 1284250911 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't judge < 1284250915 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what do you mean by that? < 1284250923 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has no idea
< 1284250923 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, you don't have a driving license? < 1284250927 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1284250933 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is sleep deprived
< 1284250949 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sleepy < 1284250956 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See how incoherent I am? < 1284250957 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i prefer not doing things that are deadly < 1284250961 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We had this tiny little Fiat whatever that couldn't really go fast, and we had it on a trip to Germany; everyone was going past so fast it was sometimes hard to say whether we were moving at all. < 1284250971 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1284250974 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Yet you do math! < 1284250976 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're driving a car < 1284250981 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1284250986 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and suddenly you fall asleep or start watching a movie < 1284250988 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you will die. < 1284250990 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ScRGB <-- what a silly colour space < 1284250992 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ^ < 1284251007 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :250km/h is doable on bumpy polish roads < 1284251013 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, you tried? < 1284251014 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm still alive < 1284251016 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1284251018 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Noticed that from your earlier link. It *is* silly. < 1284251020 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: didn't i mention i'm switching to bartending because math is too hard < 1284251026 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, which one? < 1284251032 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, this one I didn't link before < 1284251034 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: but when i was in swe i tried not to speed < 1284251039 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ScRGB. < 1284251040 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, i didn't speed at all < 1284251056 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, right, I didn't link it before that < 1284251079 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, but it was in the bottom table of colorspaces in your other link. < 1284251084 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh < 1284251085 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ check out the crazy finns: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5NEnwp13g4 < 1284251090 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody died < 1284251181 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → sleep
< 1284251202 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's not so much to do around here, we have to compensate with stuff like that. < 1284251212 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oli aivan huima" < 1284251318 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my < 1284251331 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, how did they manage to survive that < 1284251333 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1:56 is pretty < 1284251352 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: their cars have some mods to make them "deathproof" < 1284251372 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : nooga, solution: don't drink alcohol. Then you can drive whenever you want. :P ;; yes, drive on cocaine instead < 1284251374 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, um... < 1284251381 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like cages, 4-point seatbealts and stuff < 1284251388 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, :D though I didn't say that < 1284251392 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they wear helmets < 1284251405 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, why don't all cars have that as standard I wonder < 1284251410 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would make driving safer < 1284251417 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it takes too much space < 1284251421 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1284251428 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Volvo aims to be deathproof < 1284251448 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all basically crash the same way it seems < 1284251459 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1284251466 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, no frontal crash against a brick wall < 1284251468 0 :relet1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1284251476 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deathproof; they'll refund the price if you die, though of course only if you personally visit the dealer. < 1284251493 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the G-forces would be rather nasty < 1284251499 0 :relet!~hirtho@85.52.229.88 JOIN :#esoteric < 1284251523 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aren't there two major problems with 4-point seatbelts: 1) Submarining (with poorly-designed belts) and 2) Neck loads on crash? < 1284251526 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think they tend to put brick walls in the middle of racing tracks. < 1284251559 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is submarining < 1284251580 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Those boats that go underwater. < 1284251593 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1284251609 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also how many cars are there < 1284251614 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this looks extreme < 1284251619 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : The article talks about "bleaching"; I don't know enough on how the cells in the eye work to be able to guess if it's the same process or not. ;; Bleach eyes! < 1284251620 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :new Volvos are extremely smart in saving ppl inside < 1284251625 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would have expected like 10-20 or such < 1284251658 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a friend of my father lost control over a Volvo, in summer, almost on ice, in traffic < 1284251682 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm also what about smashed glass or such? that could hit you in the face < 1284251685 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or elsewhere < 1284251705 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how? < 1284251716 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the glass only goes in as much as whatever object pushes it < 1284251723 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case the glass isn't the issue anyway < 1284251732 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he did like 120km/h, the car turned few times and then it managed to get back to the right direction < 1284251738 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, in some of those crashes they almost hit bystanders! < 1284251743 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :leaving driver with wet pants < 1284251743 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is dangerous < 1284251755 0 :relet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1284251772 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read "that is hilarious" < 1284251773 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Submarining (seatbelts) is when (with poorly designed seatbelts) crash tends to push person under the seatbelt... < 1284251776 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was a bit... out of character < 1284251788 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obiviously not a good thing.... < 1284251793 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2006-10-20/ < 1284251797 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait i don't get it < 1284251801 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's a reason I didn't link to the fast version < 1284251810 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1284251811 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do < 1284251825 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, in character for you though < 1284251850 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:33 < nooga> a friend of my father lost control over a Volvo, in summer, almost on ice, in traffic < 1284251851 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt it < 1284251853 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1284251860 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/summer/winter/ < 1284251895 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 3-point seatbelts, IIRC submarining is avoided by having the upper belt tighten the lower one in crash... < 1284251919 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that one glass of akvavit was too much < 1284251962 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did find it a bit weird that you mentioned it was summer but didn't explain why there was ice < 1284251989 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: eg. in Mercedes SLK the seatbelts every time tighten when the car accelerates rapidly < 1284252002 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's annoying < 1284252008 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I don't think they tend to put brick walls in the middle of racing tracks. ;; that would be amazing < 1284252026 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't get my phone while accelerating < 1284252048 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: Volvo's safety record is exaggerated afaik < 1284252074 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:39 < nooga> Ilari: eg. in Mercedes SLK the seatbelts tighten every time when the car accelerates rapidly ** < 1284252086 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, wait that video is from different times of the year. Some show snow and some summer < 1284252089 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell < 1284252116 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: and? < 1284252130 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, I thought it was all *one* tournament at first < 1284252135 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite that bad < 1284252135 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1284252135 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: There's no freeways in Manitoba, either. You want onto the Trans-Canada Highway? Stop sign. You want off? Signal and slow down. < 1284252149 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ScRGB ;; is there a colour space containing the entire visible spectrum (and, obviously, more)? < 1284252158 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the finnish crash rally" < 1284252159 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, The X4 seatbelts seen in some Volvos are inferrior to V4's (the more "classical" design). < 1284252184 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: how do you know about all this shit < 1284252185 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i've heard they have blinking red light in Canada < 1284252201 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we get on to some wildly random off-topic thing and you just start pwning everyone with facts < 1284252219 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: yeah, and it means different things in different places... < 1284252219 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah Ilari is awesome < 1284252220 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well scRGB doesn't quite do it < 1284252224 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: precisely < 1284252224 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you want LAB or such < 1284252240 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i've got a friend with canadian driving license < 1284252241 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: why doesn't everyone use LAB? < 1284252249 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he talks about Montreal every day < 1284252252 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, not sure. Possibly it is awkward < 1284252277 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Displays don't do lab, anyway. < 1284252281 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: We have blinking green, too! Very pretty. < 1284252286 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1284252288 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, because it has that strange shape that the visible area has < 1284252291 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, like in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:CIE1931xy_blank.svg < 1284252299 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's not the visible area < 1284252299 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure you you properly code it < 1284252301 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the area that's in RG < 1284252303 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*RGB < 1284252307 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :big difference < 1284252308 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1284252308 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1284252309 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, incorrect. < 1284252313 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was a different image you linked to < 1284252317 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it has false colours outside < 1284252323 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1284252327 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't mind that though, why does that matter? < 1284252337 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh? < 1284252344 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do false colours matter? < 1284252364 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: and we've got informal: late green, very late green, and very very late green < 1284252381 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, no, I meant "false" as in "on your monitor they won't show the proper ones" < 1284252390 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I didn't refer to the imaginary ones < 1284252396 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh < 1284252401 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, ofc we just need a magical LAB display < 1284252410 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and a file format that supports it < 1284252415 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIFF does i think < 1284252415 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: but only when the police is not around < 1284252420 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a reference to the TIFF spec in the references section < 1284252423 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I'm 99.9% sure that svg, which that is I think, doesn't < 1284252430 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imaginary colours, i fail to see how they're a problem; just flag an error if some image operation results in them < 1284252432 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the GPU or whatever < 1284252514 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: :) < 1284252515 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, actually xyY is probably saner than LAB < 1284252526 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The outside-the-human-vision values also eat some of the precision, if some coordinate ranges are illegals. < 1284252564 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: xyY? < 1284252573 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: just use moar bits < 1284252583 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :71%! < 1284252584 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, XYZ and xyY are discussed on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIE_1931_color_space < 1284252594 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, fizzie: just use floating point < 1284252599 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moar beets! < 1284252604 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :intensity < 1284252608 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or such < 1284252609 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :intestines < 1284252610 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't the whole point of lab to be more perceptually uniform than the CIE XYZ it's derived from. < 1284252621 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm true < 1284252639 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which would be something you's like in an image-processing thing. < 1284252648 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1284252686 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, RGB is a whole lot simpler if you're targeting a RGB screen. < 1284252704 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, sRGB you mean < 1284252708 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or? < 1284252712 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :75%! < 1284252722 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, of what? < 1284252738 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, most TFTs actually have different primaries than the CRT ones that sRGB was designed for < 1284252756 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, but they are artificially restricted by sRGB < 1284252761 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You'll see at 100% :P < 1284252785 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, oh this is not 75% of LAB? < 1284252787 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor is installing HackFactor < 1284252801 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Uhhh, no? < 1284252803 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Nope :P < 1284252807 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fear Factor. < 1284252811 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hacktor < 1284252812 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, HackFalcon < 1284252815 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Max Factor < 1284252841 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck archaeology, I'm installing Ubuntu! < 1284252854 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, archaeology? How so? < 1284252869 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FackHalcyon < 1284252882 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, also isn't it "archeology"? < 1284252893 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though aspell seems to accept both < 1284252909 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Even my American archaeology class spelled it "archaeology" < 1284252909 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an aesthetic difference < 1284252925 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1284252930 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, hm < 1284252932 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anestetic, time to sleep < 1284252934 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: You mean an esthetic difference, right? :P < 1284252960 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gn8 < 1284253005 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good neight nooga :) < 1284253039 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :85%! < 1284253049 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : alise, also isn't it "archeology"? ;; no < 1284253052 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even Americans spell it with ae < 1284253155 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, wikipedia suggests both spellings exist < 1284253171 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipaedia < 1284253181 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1284253181 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: nobody says archeology. < 1284253190 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my spellcheck doesn't even accept it here < 1284253195 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1284253202 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aspell here accepts both so *shrug* < 1284253208 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aspell accepts some weird shit. < 1284253221 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, oh? < 1284253271 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the dictionary sucks a bit < 1284253403 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor is installing Sauerbraten < 1284253445 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor is joining Cat's Eye Technologies. < 1284253461 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND I'M 93% IN < 1284253583 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At 100 % his AI will become sentient and initiate the singularity. < 1284253590 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :95%! < 1284253609 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't worry, it'll be a slow start. < 1284253610 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, it's zee combined with microcosm < 1284253617 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You won't know you're obsolete 'til you're already just vapor blowing in the wind. < 1284253621 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sadly I had no time for microcosm recently) < 1284253645 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have, but have been using it on "research" or some such BS. < 1284253652 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the thing that's at 99% now. < 1284253685 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, so what is it? < 1284253697 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's always the last percent that takes longest. < 1284253699 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stalled at 99%? < 1284253705 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nowhere near as exciting as I'm making it out to be :P < 1284253712 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that was just 100% of the upload, then there's processing ... < 1284253735 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor is installing Processing! < 1284253739 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I might have read that wrong < 1284253759 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gaaaa, screw this, I'll just go and do the thing that I should do that I need to be away for. -> < 1284253912 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupid processing. < 1284253914 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So slow. < 1284254026 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Processing_(programming_language) < 1284254037 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In case my last crack was missed. < 1284254175 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Processing is fun. < 1284254187 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"When programming in Processing all additional classes defined will be treated as inner classes when the code is translated into pure Java before compiling. This means that the use of static variables and methods in classes is prohibited unless you explicitly tell Processing that you want to code in pure Java mode." < 1284254196 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, yes, whatever. < 1284254198 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds like a coherent approach to language design right there don't ya know. < 1284254203 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You generally don't get code that complex in a Processing applet. < 1284254208 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides, there's a thing to use Scala with it. < 1284254212 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spde. < 1284254242 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you "use Scala with it" what exactly are you using Scala with? < 1284254274 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVERYTHING < 1284254302 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04OAykpufuM :) < 1284254349 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Processing. < 1284254364 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh so gregor's suspense-numbers were youtube upload well that's anticlimactic < 1284254371 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes :P < 1284254392 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe if my audio worked in a non-insane way... well i'll bookmark it < 1284254569 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I think sound is better from your usual uploads? < 1284254598 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Purely digital, no analog involved in producing the audio whatsoever. < 1284254613 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, besides the file doesn't load properly < 1284254618 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it isn't fully cached < 1284254624 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The file"? < 1284254624 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on their servers < 1284254631 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORLY? E_WORKSFORME < 1284254634 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, youtube-dl fails at 7% < 1284254638 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then a bit later at 9% < 1284254647 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably because it wasn't finished "processing" < 1284254657 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not all qualities are available. < 1284254666 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR: content too short (expected 59460573 bytes and served 3619891) < 1284254671 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably because it wasn't finished "processing" < 1284254671 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not all qualities are available. < 1284254678 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1284254692 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one tries to download best one reported < 1284254742 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1284254745 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bahee < 1284254750 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will listen to the rest tomorrow < 1284254892 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: how goes the finding and installing an os you don't hate thing < 1284255004 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(done processing) < 1284255009 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my goal for tonight is to write a loop in Pophery < 1284255153 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : alise: how goes the finding and installing an os you don't hate thing ;; i hate all OSes < 1284255162 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's my opinion on languages ... < 1284255206 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's my opinion on everything < 1284255521 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything has its own unique hatefulnessishness < 1284255961 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to settle for getting Pophery's unit tests to pass < 1284256041 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: does Factor have unit tests? < 1284256049 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1284256081 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that the example unit tests given in the tutorial is a bit off < 1284256095 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should use { } and not [ ] for the result of the executed quotation < 1284256098 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Ubuntu's famous slogan is (it should "Just Work", TM)]] < 1284256134 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: not just support for writing unit tests in Factor, I mean, is there a test suite for the language itself? < 1284256177 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Considering that most of Factor is written in Factor.. I _think_ so. Don't know about all of it, or about the C++ parts < 1284256184 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At least, I think there are C++ parts) < 1284256188 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, OK < 1284256535 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1284256537 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can ask people who actually know stuff in #concatenative < 1284257031 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might as well just clone the git repo and look myself :) < 1284257043 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1284257517 0 :derdon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere. < 1284257993 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1284258517 0 :alise!~alise@91.104.247.83 JOIN :#esoteric < 1284258520 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is fucked up < 1284258527 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't copy one contents of an ISO onto this drive without something fucking up < 1284258555 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WILL HAVE ONE CONTENTS PLEASE < 1284258597 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously the transfer just fails < 1284258599 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has my USB drive fucked up? < 1284258603 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i give up on life? < 1284258608 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is all ultimately hopeless and futile? < 1284258743 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1284258793 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly a single fucked up usb drive indicates that all is ultimately hopeless and futile < 1284258804 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems about right. < 1284258814 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :much like the piece of fairy cake, ... < 1284258832 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :E: Failed to fetch http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/q/qt4-x11/libqtcore4_4.6.3-1+b1_amd64.deb: Hash Sum mismatch < 1284258834 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUQ < 1284258846 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus debian < 1284258954 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1284258979 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah ubuntu still appears to be my best bet < 1284258987 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's shit but if i avoid flash it... works < 1284259008 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: have I ever mentioned how much I LOVE THIS LAPTOP < 1284259037 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: not to my knowledge < 1284259041 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have < 1284259042 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1284259045 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I LOVE THIS LAPTOP < 1284259049 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, why avoid flash? < 1284259058 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AV sync issues < 1284259065 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, besides the fact that you hate Dot Action 2... oh < 1284259072 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love Dot Action 2, it's just evil. < 1284259100 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the AV sync is better with OSSv4. but OSS on Ubuntu is painful. < 1284259156 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even unetbootin is failing at it osijfoijf < 1284259162 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'll try and run unetbootin from windows. < 1284259215 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"These software updates have been issued since Debian GNU/Linux was released.If you don't want to install them now, choose "Update Manager" from the Administraion menu later." < 1284259220 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Typos there are from the original. < 1284259227 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The lack of space and the misspelled "Administration". < 1284259234 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real professional, Update Manager. < 1284259319 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Europe is the national anthem of the Republic of Kosovo." < 1284259325 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I < 1284259336 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to say something then your last line floored me < 1284259346 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1284259362 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe_(anthem) < 1284259364 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :talk about sucking up there < 1284259365 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I don't have any huge pain with flash fwiw, since you basically guided me through getting it installed < 1284259375 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: 64-bit? < 1284259378 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess not < 1284259379 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh no. < 1284259383 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably worse here < 1284259386 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since we have to use a wrapper < 1284259394 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lame li'l 32-bit laptop here < 1284259416 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome li'l 64-bit laptop here < 1284259437 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1284259444 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1284260355 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote "Europe is the national anthem of the Republic of Kosovo." alise: I I was going to say something then your last line floored me < 1284260365 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :221| "Europe is the national anthem of the Republic of Kosovo." alise: I I was going to say something then your last line floored me < 1284260461 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Annoying thing about stack-based and concatenative languages: The order of arguments is a significant design choice < 1284260755 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION voodoos Plof at Sgeo :P
< 1284261111 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :` < 1284261112 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1284261116 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1284261120 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :189| ais523: killer bunnies can be harmed by domesticated canines only. < 1284261230 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :marf < 1284261995 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been a long time since I frunged assembly, so somebody remind me: Is it the duty of the caller or the callee to save potentially-clobbered registers? < 1284262205 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(On x86 and x86_64) < 1284262262 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: that's a bit the case for curried functional languages like haskell, too < 1284262298 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ambiet VIII is really beautiful < 1284262300 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the vocals < 1284262343 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1284262344 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :80| I think hamsters cannot be inert. < 1284262347 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1284262348 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :180| what's the data of? [...] Locations in a now deceased game called Mutation I have no problems with you being interested in online games but the necrophilia is disturbing < 1284262349 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe despite the vocals < 1284262357 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1284262358 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1284262361 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1284262371 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1284262377 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1284262384 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1284262394 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1284262396 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OHHEY! < 1284262398 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did it just stop working? < 1284262399 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally it's broken, good < 1284262399 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuck again < 1284262404 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1284262404 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have a quota of quotes? < 1284262409 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1284262410 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1284262411 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Finally"? < 1284262412 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it just gets broken sometimes. < 1284262414 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1284262420 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, debugging time? < 1284262431 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1284262444 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1284262462 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1284262474 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The songs appear to be in lexical order < 1284262480 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is wrong < 1284262482 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been waiting for it to break so I can see if I can debug it :P < 1284262487 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think `help is pretty much the only thing that works in that state < 1284262504 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fortune < 1284262520 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1284262530 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The `help command will work because it doesn't fork anything. < 1284262600 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ambiet X is also great < 1284262620 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fork: retry: Resource temporarily unavailable D-8 < 1284262643 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I LOVE THOS SONG! < 1284262647 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS < 1284262666 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.archive.org/download/Torley_Wong_-_The_Final_Selection/Torley_Wong-ambiet_X.mp3 < 1284262698 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: running out of PIDs or something? < 1284262718 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think I set the rlimit on the wrong side of the uid changeover D-8 < 1284262748 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel... like I produce less than everyone else here < 1284262770 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, I did. < 1284262819 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: you mean like the limit applies to _all_ invocations of HackEgo commands and not just to _one_? < 1284262856 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Even worse, since that UID is shared by Hackiki and a few other bots too :) < 1284262870 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1284262947 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1284262948 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awklisp \ babies \ bin \ cube2.base64 \ cube2.jpg \ hack_gregor \ hello.txt \ help.txt \ huh \ netcat-0.7.1 \ netcat-0.7.1.tar.gz \ out.txt \ paste \ poetry.txt \ quotes \ qw.pl \ share \ tmpdir.31035 \ wunderbar_emporium < 1284262950 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1284262956 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fixed -- for good! < 1284262961 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I hope) < 1284262966 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :famous last words < 1284262992 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1284263010 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm _sure_ there's a tvtrope for this < 1284263028 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For computer programming? < 1284263046 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anybody know the answer to my registers question? ... < 1284263096 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< Gregor> I've been waiting for it to break so I can see if I can debug it :P <-- welcome to computer science < 1284263096 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION only vaguely recalls that interrupts let the callee save, just for security reasons
< 1284263114 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: re registers: it depends on the convention! < 1284263114 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i picked that up from some discussion here i think < 1284263133 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Of course. Standard UNIX C. < 1284263157 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1284263161 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm asking this because I'm trying to define a new (non-C) calling convention and need to know how it will interact with C :P < 1284263194 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: 'cdecl' > < 1284263198 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/>/?/ < 1284263225 0 :alise!~alise@91.104.247.83 JOIN :#esoteric < 1284263231 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86_calling_conventions < 1284263243 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why didn't I think to look at Wikipedia ... < 1284263250 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"On Linux, gcc is the de-facto standard for calling conventions." < 1284263253 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because WIKIPEDIA IS FASCISM. < 1284263256 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the gcc is a calling convention < 1284263258 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but whatever < 1284263264 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that < 1284263294 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TemptingFate < 1284263340 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a//b < 1284263354 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a bunch of subtropes for more specific occasions (i don't see a computer one though) < 1284263377 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Caller push. < 1284263392 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go-tit, thankee Wikip! < 1284263401 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are all Linux fonts so terrible??? < 1284263442 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are all fontophiles so terrible ... < 1284263455 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, okay, DejaVu is nice. < 1284263458 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there's nothing beyond that. < 1284263464 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bitstream Charter, okay. < 1284263465 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Droid, okay. < 1284263466 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It ends there. < 1284263475 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1284263481 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'm not a fontophile who just wants to stuff every typeface I can into something >_< < 1284263496 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :COMIC SANS FOREVER < 1284263504 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Droid Sans is weird as an IRC font. < 1284263561 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1284263563 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :181| Gregor-P: I don't think lambda calculus is powerful enough < 1284263597 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1284263598 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :109| What do you call the husband of my first cousin once removed? Warrigal: "Hey, Sexy." < 1284263768 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :be careful to remove him first though < 1284263806 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1284263808 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1284263816 0 :alise!~alise@91.104.247.83 JOIN :#esoteric < 1284263830 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1284263837 0 :alise!~alise@91.104.247.83 JOIN :#esoteric < 1284263928 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blergh, there's no repository of X-Chat colour themes. < 1284263932 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like one that doesn't spew purple everywher. < 1284263934 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*everywhere. < 1284263952 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a colour theme that matches the Plof wiki < 1284264027 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HUh, I swear it was uglier earlier today < 1284264061 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a specialized Plof wiki? < 1284264062 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: It re-schemes itself. < 1284264066 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: < 1284264069 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://plof.codu.org/wiki/ < 1284264072 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Sgeo: /Sgeo:/ < 1284264102 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not an esolang? < 1284264108 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1284264129 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION seriously thought it was intended to be an esolang
< 1284264142 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before I, you know, just now actually decided to read about it < 1284264180 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a WUNDERLANG < 1284264329 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, rhododendrons. < 1284264350 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1284264352 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :29|IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE: there is plenty of room to get head twice at once < 1284264355 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rhododendron is a lovely word < 1284264360 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 28 < 1284264361 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :28| there is plenty of room to have two heads < 1284264364 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 30 < 1284264366 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :30| In an alternate universe, ehird has taste < 1284264370 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 31 < 1284264372 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :31|IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE: In an alternate universe, I would say "In an alternate universe, ehird has taste" < 1284264375 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 32 < 1284264376 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :32| so i can only conclude that it is flawed, or the world is utterly bonkers < 1284264378 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 33 < 1284264380 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :33|IN EINEM ALTERNATIVEN UNIVERSUM (WO DIE NAZIS WON): So kann ich nur schliessen, dass es falsch ist, oder die Welt ist vollig BONKERS. Gegrusset seist du der Fuhrer Hitler! < 1284264386 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 34 < 1284264387 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :34|SUPLENTES EN UN UNIVERSO (MUSSOLINI CUANDO CONQUISTO EL MUNDO): i tan solo puede concluir que es defectuoso, o el mundo esta absolutamente loco. Todos a la gloria Il Duce! < 1284264390 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 35 < 1284264391 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :35|PA ET ANNET UNIVERSET DER DE ENESTE PERSONEN OERJAN: sa jeg kan bare konkludere med at det er feil, eller er verden helt bonkers < 1284264394 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 36 < 1284264395 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :36| ehird: There is no h in "honour" < 1284264403 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: The Alternate Universe story arc! < 1284264412 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Courtesy of me and Google Translate. < 1284264425 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In an alternate universe, there are no hypotheticals < 1284264429 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1284264467 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's some broken norwegian up there < 1284264476 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION logs in to the Plof wiki
< 1284264500 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I had to convert the øs, for a start, since EgoBot was being sucky. < 1284264503 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I recall correctly. < 1284264519 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and å too, but even so the grammar is insane :D < 1284264571 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well for the part before the colon, the remainder isn't that crazy < 1284264650 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ET ANNET UNIVERS DER OERJAN ER ENESTE PERSON would be the correct grammar < 1284264684 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well assuming it means what i think it means < 1284264699 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it accidentally the verb too) < 1284264734 0 :wareya_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1284264761 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it probably means what you think it means, since there's this nice Rosetta stone thing going on for context < 1284264789 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/eller/ellers/ as well, otherwise the meaning is not the same as ehird's original < 1284264808 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1284264862 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with just eller it means "or is the world completely bonkers") < 1284264940 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm is bonkers a norwegian word < 1284264967 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure i've heard it < 1284265001 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure YouTube used to make it possible to allow downloading of videos (without youtube-dl or similar) < 1284265008 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it doesn't seem to now. < 1284265100 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: well the rosetta thing breaks down for the part "DER DE ENESTE PERSONEN OERJAN" since it clearly doesn't mean that i conquered anything. well unless i killed everyone else, i guess. < 1284265105 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Never has. < 1284265112 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: However, Google Video *always* has. < 1284265150 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought Google Video had near faded out of existence since YouTube ... < 1284265155 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was bought by Google ... < 1284265171 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google Video has ceased to host new videos. < 1284265180 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight < 1284265180 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It remains as a video-specific search engine. < 1284265184 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that's pretty unhelpful :P < 1284265203 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :youtube-dl is still handy, though. ;) < 1284265219 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could of course host this video on codu.org ... pretty pointless either way *shrugs* < 1284265232 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ffff okay what IRC clients do you people use. Name it if it's not XChat or terminal-based. < 1284265245 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*chirp* < 1284265248 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Used to use Konversation < 1284265262 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does XChat-GNOME count as XChat? < 1284265265 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm chirp could be a nice name for a client < 1284265277 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you use XChat-GNOME? < 1284265278 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously? < 1284265278 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never used Konversation, but if it's as good as Kopete, go with X-Chat :P < 1284265280 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, used to < 1284265286 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it hasn't seen a release since ... 2007 or something < 1284265286 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: *chirp* < 1284265290 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Konversation is better. But... < 1284265292 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A long time ago < 1284265295 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorta using GNOME. < 1284265301 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used Konversation a *bit*. It kinda sucks. < 1284265302 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah it exists, for twitter < 1284265308 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it's not /so/ bad, though < 1284265311 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise has the same psychosis I do! < 1284265319 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1284265319 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But only in comparison with other pure-IRC clients. < 1284265335 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still a *lot* better than IM clients that happen to have IRC. < 1284265336 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not wanting to mix Qt with GNOME and GTK+ with KDE < 1284265350 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh, that's just a desire for interface and visual consistency. < 1284265354 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a psychosis, at least in my case... < 1284265371 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I mix Qt with XFCE. Though only because Qt's GTK theme works pretty much perfectly... < 1284265389 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it weren't for that, I would throw one or the other away. < 1284265411 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1284265466 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to use blackbox < 1284265493 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to use Fluxbox. < 1284265505 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1284265513 0 :alise!~alise@91.104.247.83 JOIN :#esoteric < 1284265524 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use to used poor grammar. < 1284265531 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1284265538 0 :alise!~alise@91.104.247.83 JOIN :#esoteric < 1284265544 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1284265552 0 :alise!~alise@91.104.247.83 JOIN :#esoteric < 1284265557 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes it feels to me as if I'm just being used. < 1284265561 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Is the meme dead yet?) < 1284265589 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I don't remember that meme? < 1284265651 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay seriously someone has to use a Linux graphical client that isn't XChat here. < 1284265683 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't BitchX graphical? < 1284265688 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Linuxy? < 1284265689 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you did'nt say Linux I would have mentioned that I use Pidgin < 1284265698 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1284265701 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pidgin? < 1284265705 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BitchX is textual.................................................................................... < 1284265706 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BURN IT WITH FIRE < 1284265708 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, cpressey is trolling < 1284265712 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Firstly, Pidgin is primarily a Linux client. < 1284265715 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Secondly, Sgeo, no. < 1284265718 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He actually uses Pidgin. < 1284265719 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: TROLL AND PITCHFORK < 1284265728 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WE SHALL TROLL AND PITCHFORK HIM < 1284265730 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thirdly, cpressey, never utter those words. Just -- don't. < 1284265731 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: In Windows. Because for bad reasons. < 1284265741 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pidgin exists for Linux, you know < 1284265752 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Permission requested to murder you deeply. < 1284265755 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I'd recommend it for IRC < 1284265762 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it exists for Linux, but I guess I consider it "cross platform". < 1284265769 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's *GTK*. < 1284265778 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, what kind of features are you looking for in a IRC client, anyways, you can just write one or modify an existing IRC client program < 1284265779 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I more meant "available on Linux at all". < 1284265783 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, "not mIRC". < 1284265788 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mainly use it to connect to a Jabber server at work. < 1284265789 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GTK is the least cross-platform cross-platform UI. < 1284265791 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it may have been my first IRC client < 1284265797 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, o.O? < 1284265804 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UI toolkit, I mean. < 1284265810 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Howso? < 1284265812 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It looks non-native everywhere but Gnome. < 1284265818 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it's awful on OS X < 1284265821 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1284265821 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And XFCE... < 1284265822 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's imperfect on Windows < 1284265828 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was even more imperfect on Windows a few years ago < 1284265838 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't have a Qt native theme, either < 1284265838 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Qt mandates C++ usage < 1284265841 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Qt has a GTK+ one) < 1284265845 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: If it will make you feel better, I will not use Pidgin for IRC ever again. I'm sure I can find irssi under cygwin or something. < 1284265849 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: mIRC works great in wine. < 1284265853 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which makes it a bitch from non-C++ languages < 1284265854 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Just... use mIRC. < 1284265861 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Do... do you actually do this? < 1284265866 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: No :P < 1284265872 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/phew < 1284265873 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GTK+ at least can have bindings in any language with a C FFI < 1284265880 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bad memories of mIRC. < 1284265888 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Factor, incidentally, may eventually have a C++ FFI < 1284265891 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: It's okay with like three bits of configuration. < 1284265897 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: You could also use ChatZilla's standalone version. < 1284265903 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, how does PyQt work? < 1284265913 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: By using a C++ FFI. < 1284265916 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably SWIG. < 1284265917 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ChatZilla has a standalone version? < 1284265921 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://chatzilla.rdmsoft.com/xulrunner/ < 1284265935 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either SWIG or manually create C bindings and then bind *those*. < 1284265936 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Any suggestions for something that connect to Jabber and IRC and doesn't suck? < 1284265937 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, what's wrong with Silverex? < 1284265946 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: first I've heard of it < 1284265950 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: You don't want both in the same client. < 1284265953 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Don't use Silverex. < 1284265959 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Silverex is just a mediocre XChat build for Windows. < 1284265960 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, why not? < 1284265966 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, if you're particularly crazy, *link directly against C++*. < 1284265978 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Seriously: you want a separate IM and IRC client. < 1284266002 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is just *barely* possible on many UNIX systems, courtesy of using basically the same calling convention for C and C++.) < 1284266008 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BitlBee! (not a serious recommendation) < 1284266018 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: ... since I am mostly talking in Jabber "chatrooms", the functionality is basically identical. < 1284266019 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my opinion PHIRC is good, but it doesn't support Jabber (unless you can write a protocol plugin). It might not have the feature you want though (but it is possible to modify the program!) < 1284266029 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(have to do your own name-mangling and handling of this, though) < 1284266039 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I use Bitlbee, and have for years. < 1284266054 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't use other kind of IM anyways. I don't use AIM and MSN and those things < 1284266064 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: ah. < 1284266066 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: use bitlbee < 1284266069 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for jabber, then < 1284266069 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not *great*, but I've not really found any other clients that don't make me want to stab someone. < 1284266071 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION uses Pidgin for everything except IRC
< 1284266072 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what i did for megabreds < 1284266074 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC is works even for private message < 1284266078 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ bitlbee ^ < 1284266081 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bit of a screwy on-IRC interface, but once you're in a channel it's good < 1284266084 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: you use an IRC client < 1284266090 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and connect to a local bitlbee server < 1284266093 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which connects to jabber < 1284266095 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and relays it back to IRC < 1284266105 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, I have to run my own local server. < 1284266109 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a plus, but ok < 1284266113 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: there is a windows binary < 1284266116 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just goes into a little tray icon < 1284266119 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and runs entirely locally < 1284266130 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also a public server, iirc < 1284266131 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can try it < 1284266132 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so really the only noticeable effect is that you can't listen on port 9999 or whatever < 1284266135 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But why would you trust it? < 1284266136 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: if you trust them with your passwords. < 1284266139 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks around sheepishly
< 1284266143 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :being able to use irssi to talk on the jabber things would be nice < 1284266145 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You trusted it. < 1284266151 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or tinyirc or whatever < 1284266185 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lo! < 1284266189 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also kind of trust Meebo and eBuddy :/ < 1284266220 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, did something that I should only do with entities I extremely trust < 1284266251 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH THE BROKEN FOCE < 1284266251 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is possible to write a protocol plugin for PHIRC, to support other protocols. You must program in: < 1284266268 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP, for starters < 1284266270 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1284266282 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* A conversion between IRC syntax and the protocol you are working with (it does not have to be IRC commands, it only has to follow the same syntax) < 1284266295 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* What command is typed when the line starts with the space bar < 1284266323 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Any automated functions that are used in the protocol < 1284266331 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, were you on IRC before you wrote PHIRC? < 1284266344 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes, but I used netcat. PHIRC is much better for IRC, though. < 1284266385 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did you use for web browsing before Vonkeror? netcat? < 1284266386 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shoulda used RawIRC. < 1284266415 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conkeror. < 1284266434 0 :augur!~augur@208-58-6-161.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1284266436 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I used various programs for web browser, but they all had problems. Vonkeror has problems too but it is what I have, and at least it works. < 1284266467 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel so boring < 1284266500 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, because you didn't write your own IRC client and web browser? You still wrote how many esolangs? I should feel boring < 1284266510 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1284266511 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do I do? Make one barely-interesting -> non-interesting projec < 1284266513 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :project < 1284266518 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: YOU SHOULD! YOU DO NOTHING INTERESTING AT ALL < 1284266522 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One day, when all our faddish systems have died out and Ubuntu is but a Bantu word long forgotten, zzo38's code will be preserved crisply in its digital home that survives into the future. < 1284266523 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHIRC is different than most IRC clients, but that is different program is supposed to be different than the other protogram, anyways. < 1284266524 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then just disappear from the face of the community < 1284266537 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And when our future selves look back to see what technological wonders our generation created... < 1284266543 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...all the world's tabs will be green. < 1284266548 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ponder that. < 1284266553 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people do not like it that PHIRC is different than the other program. But in my opinion, I like the way of PHIRC better than other IRC client program. < 1284266580 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just don't write anything too similar to SSDS < 1284266581 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd hope you do. < 1284266584 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After all, you wrote it. < 1284266602 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least, with its coding style < 1284266609 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And braindead evangelism < 1284266631 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you use random acronyms you know we don't know the expansions of? < 1284266649 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: TLAAW < 1284266664 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHNR_enUS321US321&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=SpectateSwamp+Desktop+Searc`h#hl=en&rlz=1C1CHNR_enUS321US321&sa=X&ei=d0yMTI2_CoGdlge40qhg&ved=0CBIQvwUoAQ&q=SpectateSwamp+Desktop+Search&spell=1&fp=6052204b889acdd8 < 1284266665 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFSLJDSPFJPOSJDOIASLKNMFMHDB < 1284266672 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, sucky URLness < 1284266689 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Oh right, because I should instantly know that SSDS → Spectate Swamp Desktop Search. < 1284266692 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, with my telepathy. < 1284266692 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: SSDS? Do you mean SpectateSwamp Desktop Search? I agree SSDS is very badly implemented, many of these functions could be done using some UNIX commands, and stuff like that < 1284266719 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: (I knew, I started typing this message before anyone else said it was that?) < 1284266731 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, but I didn't know. < 1284266740 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION was expecting alise to know >.>
< 1284266755 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note to self: zzo38 is the telepath, not alise. < 1284266918 0 :augur!~augur@208-58-6-161.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1284266920 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many monster characters are in your group at D&D? (Is the answer a natural number? (Note: I consider zero also be a natural number, as well as all positive integers)) < 1284266934 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yeah i hate google's redirects too < 1284266940 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-498573982798245628374956829345689732465289756432895692835689345683429765893465928374659832465.4 < 1284266943 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it is not a natural number. < 1284266957 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I can see that. But I don't believe your answer < 1284266966 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am offended. < 1284266976 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nullity! < 1284266987 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then perhaps explain your D&D game, and then maybe I can understand more better your answers too < 1284267016 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My D&D game is played solely on LSD. It exists only in the mind. < 1284267028 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, one day, there were 1 monsters to be distributed, but 0 players < 1284267030 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: O, OK. Now I believe your answer < 1284267032 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote < alise> Why do you use random acronyms you know we don't know the expansions of? < pikhq> alise: TLAAW < 1284267034 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :222|< alise> Why do you use random acronyms you know we don't know the expansions of? < pikhq> alise: TLAAW < 1284267043 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As the realisation quickly dawns that we are all one person and bodies are just an illusion that perpetuates the falsity that we have distinct consciousnesses, there is only one player, and they are everyone. < 1284267052 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we divided the monsters up equally < 1284267053 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: If there is no player, there can be no play game??!! < 1284267060 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1284267061 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1284267063 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: O, now I understand your answer < 1284267064 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Why do you use random acronyms you know we don't know the expansions of? alise: TLAAW < 1284267067 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Anal. Sorry. < 1284267070 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :223| Why do you use random acronyms you know we don't know the expansions of? alise: TLAAW < 1284267091 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then, we spawned the monsters 0 times < 1284267114 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There were then Nullity monsters < 1284267116 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IANAL < 1284267134 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: And if that is the answer, how many normal character in your group of D&D? (Is *this* answer the natural number, at least?) < 1284267136 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes. < 1284267149 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Nothing is normal in LSD&D. < 1284267153 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Nullity is zero divided by zero (I think)) < 1284267160 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: OK < 1284267173 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, well, NaN < 1284267177 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can't divide by zero. But at least now there is a word for dividing zero by zero, anyways. < 1284267179 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: No, I'm joking; there are actually 808017424794512875886459904961710757005754368000000000 monsters. < 1284267199 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: As player characters? Or non-player characters? Or both? < 1284267208 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they all play a part. < 1284267219 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or are the number of player and non-player both not natural but add up to a natural number? < 1284267225 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!which factor < 1284267226 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/0 = 4/0 != 3/0 = 1/0 = 2/0 < 1284267231 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to be the D&D-playing torso. < 1284267238 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1284267245 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: What is the "D&D-playing torso"? < 1284267249 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run which factor < 1284267250 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which factor < 1284267251 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/bin/factor < 1284267253 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/bin/factor < 1284267255 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooooh!!!! < 1284267255 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The non-natural fraction of the number of players. < 1284267261 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it factors numbers, fanboy. < 1284267266 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run run which factor < 1284267268 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`factor 808017424794512875886459904961710757005754368000000000 < 1284267268 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1284267270 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1284267271 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O < 1284267273 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`factor 33 < 1284267274 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :33: 3 11 < 1284267278 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`factor "Hello world" print < 1284267278 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently its not fully recursive < 1284267279 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1284267286 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`factor 808017424794512875886459904961710757005754368000000000 < 1284267286 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww < 1284267287 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: of course not < 1284267288 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1284267290 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has some commands < 1284267292 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that aren't unix commands < 1284267295 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like run, help, revert < 1284267299 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: OK. I guess the LSD&D can be all strange and impossible, so therefore now I know < 1284267306 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But therefore I don't know. < 1284267308 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i got kiss raped tonight < 1284267311 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See? < 1284267313 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Actually, it's group D&D. < 1284267329 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :useless factoring program < 1284267332 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monster group D&D. < 1284267339 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`factor 0 < 1284267340 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0: < 1284267345 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`factor -6 < 1284267346 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1284267354 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: O! Monster group D&D. Now I understand. < 1284267358 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run factor -6 2>&1 < 1284267358 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`factor 666 < 1284267362 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :666: 2 3 3 37 < 1284267362 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/bin/factor: invalid option -- '6' \ Try `/usr/bin/factor --help' for more information. < 1284267381 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls / < 1284267383 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ dev \ etc \ home \ lib \ lib64 \ proc \ tmp \ usr < 1284267384 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run factor -- -6 2>&1 < 1284267386 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/bin/factor: `-6' is not a valid positive integer < 1284267387 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run factor -- -6 2>&1 # Will this work? < 1284267389 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/bin/factor: `-6' is not a valid positive integer < 1284267396 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo $PATH < 1284267397 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$PATH < 1284267402 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>( < 1284267412 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo "$PATH" < 1284267413 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"$PATH" < 1284267421 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "$PATH" < 1284267422 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/tmp/hackenv.1794/bin:/usr/bin:/bin < 1284267423 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No! You need to run it in the shell! < 1284267425 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bash is weird < 1284267428 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`factor 808017424794512875886459904961710757005754368 < 1284267430 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1284267448 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will never be talked. < 1284267450 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls /tmp/hackenv.1794/bin < 1284267452 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1284267458 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`factor 33333333333333333333333333333 < 1284267459 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls /usr/bin < 1284267461 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1284267463 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2to3-2.6 \ X11 \ [ \ a2p \ addpart \ addr2line \ apropos \ apt-cache \ apt-cdrom \ apt-config \ apt-extracttemplates \ apt-ftparchive \ apt-get \ apt-key \ apt-mark \ apt-sortpkgs \ aptitude \ aptitude-create-state-bundle \ aptitude-curses \ aptitude-run-state-bundle \ ar \ arch \ as \ awk \ axi-cache \ base64 \ basename \ bashbug < 1284267467 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run factor 33333333333333333333333333333 2>&1 < 1284267468 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/bin/factor: `33333333333333333333333333333' is too large < 1284267478 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls /tmp/hackenv.1794/bin < 1284267480 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1284267488 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls /bin < 1284267490 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash \ bunzip2 \ bzcat \ bzcmp \ bzdiff \ bzegrep \ bzexe \ bzfgrep \ bzgrep \ bzip2 \ bzip2recover \ bzless \ bzmore \ cat \ chgrp \ chmod \ chown \ cp \ cpio \ dash \ date \ dd \ df \ dir \ dmesg \ dnsdomainname \ domainname \ echo \ ed \ egrep \ false \ fgrep \ grep \ gunzip \ gzexe \ gzip \ hostname \ ip \ kill \ less < 1284267510 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION suspects there's more in both those directories
< 1284267516 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run dmesg < 1284267518 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CP SPT=55373 DPT=1182 WINDOW=5840 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0 \ [322228.464846] Shorewall:net2fw:DROP:IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=aa:00:00:59:ad:41:00:50:c2:98:e7:2e:08:00 SRC=85.190.0.3 DST=64.62.173.65 LEN=60 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=56 ID=64391 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=35942 DPT=8000 WINDOW=5840 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0 \ [322228.464920] Shorewall:net2fw:DROP:IN=eth0 < 1284267531 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run dmesg | tail < 1284267532 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[558479.134212] Shorewall:net2fw:DROP:IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=aa:00:00:59:ad:41:00:50:c2:98:e7:2e:08:00 SRC=59.50.95.103 DST=64.62.173.65 LEN=40 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=109 ID=256 PROTO=TCP SPT=6000 DPT=3389 WINDOW=16384 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0 \ [559599.708679] Shorewall:net2fw:DROP:IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=aa:00:00:59:ad:41:00:50:c2:98:e7:2e:08:00 < 1284267581 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run df -j < 1284267583 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1284267585 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run df -h < 1284267587 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1284267590 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1284267596 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run df < 1284267597 0 :augur!~augur@208-58-6-161.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1284267599 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1284267611 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run df 2>&1 < 1284267614 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/bin/df: cannot read table of mounted file systems: No such file or directory < 1284267627 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :always a reassuring message < 1284267642 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mount < 1284267645 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rootfs on / type rootfs (rw) \ none on /sys type sysfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime) \ none on /proc type proc (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime) \ udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,relatime,size=10240k,mode=755) \ /dev/disk/by-label/PRGMRDISK1 on / type ext3 (rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro,data=ordered) \ tmpfs on /lib/init/rw type tmpfs < 1284267655 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $PATH < 1284267656 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/tmp/hackenv.2556/bin:/usr/bin:/bin < 1284267657 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has the odd suspicion that Gregor would like prog rock...
< 1284267673 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: the number changes with each command < 1284267676 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: as long as it's rubato < 1284267696 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :molto rubato! < 1284267698 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: ... < 1284267717 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IcedTea is a perfectly acceptable JVM, right? < 1284267723 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: domo arigato molto rubato < 1284267754 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Domo arikàtô moruto ruhàto", you mean. < 1284267755 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: IcedTea is HotSpot. < 1284267765 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the libraries and whatnot. < 1284267772 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, IcedTea is perfectly acceptable. I've been using it for a couple of years now with no problems. < 1284267806 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rubatissimo < 1284267810 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: The libraries are the standard JDK suite of libraries, with an extremely few bits replaced by open alternatives. Emphasis on "extremely few". The chances of you running into any issues is very low. < 1284267825 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright then. < 1284267827 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "really quite stolen" < 1284267842 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1284267857 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as stolen as possible < 1284267869 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Said few bits were coincidentally done 100% perfectly by GCJ, IIRC. < 1284267881 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prisencolinensinainciusol < 1284267883 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they just ported that over and had a full JVM in a weekend. < 1284267889 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much. < 1284267914 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: bless you < 1284267930 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcUi6UEQh00 < 1284268085 0 :myndzi!myndzi@c-24-19-39-178.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1284268107 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Prog rock, just BTW, is basically rock that is not simplistic. :P < 1284268213 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: well it depends < 1284268221 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"prog" on its own has come to denote a certain genre in a way < 1284268230 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :distinct from older progressive rock < 1284268234 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cranks up the RUSH
< 1284268246 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Rush < 1284268250 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is a-listening to Kansas' Magnum Opus (from Leftoverture)
< 1284268255 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(lang name habit) < 1284268268 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PNKFLD < 1284268275 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please make some music with non-standard temperament < 1284268286 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Temperament? < 1284268286 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a non-standard temperament. I'M ALWAYS ANGRY < 1284268287 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And we cannot neglect Jethro Tull here < 1284268298 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Alas, I lack Jethro Tull. < 1284268302 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Yes! The agricultural pioneer. < 1284268315 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Not quite what I meant, though. But it is a start. < 1284268336 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: YES < 1284268341 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, "Yes" < 1284268355 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It's interesting how close some genres get to classical. < 1284268361 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I mean, like instead of using twelve-tone equal temperament, use something else, such as pythagorean, just intonation, Bohlen-Pierce, or whatever else < 1284268373 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both rational and irrational temperaments can be used. < 1284268377 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Various genres of metal get quite close to classical quite often... < 1284268395 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Anyways. It's most notable for actually having complex music, as opposed to most other forms of rock music... < 1284268402 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I swear there are some things that Rammstein does musically that are not far from Bach. < 1284268405 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, metal tends to do that too. < 1284268416 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 xkcdb.com < 1284268425 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Post-rock is also as complex as progressive, and very close to classical. < 1284268426 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Equal temperament is irrational. Most other kinds of temperaments are rational. Both ways work, for different kind of music.) < 1284268430 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact it's got very little rock in it. < 1284268448 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are guitars in it. Often they're played with a bow or some other such ridiculous stuff. Occasionally they're even overdriven. < 1284268450 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Okay, I guess other forms of popular rock music. < 1284268455 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough. < 1284268470 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Post-rock is a subgenre of progressive rock, I suppose. < 1284268475 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps. < 1284268489 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :♫ LOVE, LOVE ME DO ♫ < 1284268489 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hits alise with a Bucket
< 1284268490 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that short for "post-modern rock" < 1284268496 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or "post-post-modern rock" < 1284268509 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I *hate* early Beatles. < 1284268513 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: *Hate hate hate*. < 1284268520 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :early beatles = monkees < 1284268521 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I thought at least *one* person here would.. < 1284268532 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those guys damned well needed marijuana. < 1284268535 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going for "regressive rock". < 1284268537 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1284268539 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hates anyone who uses the word hate for any reason, including obvious quotations, even quotations that don't have quote marks.
< 1284268541 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not the biggest Beatles fan. < 1284268561 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Second half of their career had a lot of good stuff. < 1284268577 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I know. < 1284268583 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most music is the same to me: Awesome < 1284268599 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Including yourself? < 1284268605 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is, oddly enough, quite fond of what most people just call "bizarre and pretentious" of theirs.
< 1284268607 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, that was the point < 1284268609 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm, "Revolution Nine". < 1284268628 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Revolution Nine is... a botched attempt at creating something avant garde, imo. < 1284268655 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION youtubes
< 1284268664 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION verbs websites
< 1284268665 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've never heard Revolution Nine? < 1284268667 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're really weird. < 1284268674 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Revolution 9 < 1284268677 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WE'RE ALL SO WRONG < 1284268686 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try writing a few notes in non-standard temperament, even just for experiment at first < 1284268693 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually every time I read "The White Album" it irks me. < 1284268701 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Proto-techno, perhaps. < 1284268707 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's ... not techno. < 1284268711 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1284268714 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrong. Word. < 1284268716 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think. < 1284268718 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Musique concrète, yes. < 1284268721 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have found a song that really grates my ears! < 1284268727 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Which is? < 1284268731 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Revolution 9 < 1284268737 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might know the standard music follow the frequency 2^(n/12) < 1284268750 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it was just one ... /me ills < 1284268755 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now try making music with frequencies 3^(n/13) instead < 1284268756 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*grates* your ears? < 1284268759 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It's not commonly appreciated. < 1284268761 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not very interesting, but grates? < 1284268783 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i might actually try it for once < 1284268788 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What with being rather bizarre for a rock band. < 1284268790 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1284268792 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well, parts, at least < 1284268797 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait what? < 1284268821 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Mmm? < 1284268823 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually is there a good, open-source program for composing in bohlen-pierce? < 1284268826 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'm pretty sure I tried a non-standard temperament once on a C64. < 1284268845 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION rinses his ears with Torley Linden
< 1284268864 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, GreaseMonkey: What is your quit message supposed to mean? < 1284268875 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It means LIFE. < 1284268876 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: I don't know. What I would like to have is something that you can compose any temperament, like METAFONT but with music < 1284268886 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: lemme find it, it's from a megazeux game < 1284268890 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also sort of like TeX but with music. < 1284268894 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll need to change one byte from 01 to 02 < 1284268902 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TeX but with music -- you mean LilyPond. < 1284268907 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: that is indeed a start on the quest for its meaning < 1284268913 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it was misconverted < 1284268926 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Not quite... I mean something a bit different, it is harder to explain. < 1284268934 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not simply like TeX or METAFONT < 1284268947 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: like something that can output to midi too? < 1284268949 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://vault.digitalmzx.net/show.php?id=1446 < 1284268951 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: ^ < 1284268954 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But also somewhat like MML (Music Macro Language), but that you can redefine, and stuff < 1284268957 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the fixed version was uploaded < 1284268973 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now: Decemberists. < 1284268974 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll need megazeux < 1284268997 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1284268997 0 :myndzi\!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1284268998 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1284269002 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could have output to MIDI, but would be prefer a different format so that you can write the synthesis as well, and also macros, and other things < 1284269007 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: I am enlightened. and I approve. < 1284269119 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also have a fork of MegaZeux. Which one you use depend on various things. Old world files are better using my program, also there is new features. New files with the newest format require the official one (from the vault). Also the official one you can get for many operating system you do not have to compile it by yourself < 1284269147 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone needs to turn megazeux into an operating system < 1284269175 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I have no intention for such a things though. < 1284269215 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :drat < 1284269261 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you have question about some internal function of MegaZeux, or about the new features that I have added in to MegaZeux, you can ask a question < 1284269297 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever played Rings of Zon? It's no MegaZeux, but it's similar < 1284269338 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope :/ < 1284269342 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: No. < 1284269351 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it ZZT by any chance? < 1284269360 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I can't find a Wikipedia page for Rings of Zon < 1284269394 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More MegaZeux game is my game series "Super ASCII MZX Town". < 1284269401 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a pretty obscure game (Amiga only I think) < 1284269407 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZZT is also a nice game < 1284269418 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Part II (not finish yet), it even has talking spiders and talking tree. And also the Spanish Inquisition. And other things. < 1284269430 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZZT is really quite screwy < 1284269438 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do so much with player clones < 1284269443 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: Yes it is, and they even lost the source-codes < 1284269449 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's several ways to crash it < 1284269464 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my personal favourite is to put a movement command inside a scroll < 1284269472 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But one project I work on is the "CZZT", which is a reimplementation of ZZT written in Enhanced CWEB and SDL < 1284269494 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then this program can also be published as a book, too. < 1284269513 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me, i should consider working on JZT < 1284269533 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw zzo38, there's some really screwy stuff i documented in the thread for tyger < 1284269537 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: Yes maybe you can consider it if you want to < 1284269539 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suggest you have a look at it < 1284269546 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it pertains to ZZT-OOP < 1284269557 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: I will look at it, but some of the things I might already know < 1284269594 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which file(s) do you want me to look at? < 1284269644 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any other book about ZZT? CZZT might be the first one, possibly. < 1284269710 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: http://zzt.belsambar.net/fora/viewtopic.php?p=64118#64118 < 1284269767 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JZT, I assume, is ZZT on the Java platform? < 1284269781 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1284269823 0 :bsmntbombdood!~gavin@97-118-193-75.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1284269828 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, that does help. Now I can figure out what algorithm was probably used for reading the commands < 1284269835 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-29-214.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1284270101 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CZZT is designed only for small-endian computers, please! < 1284270150 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: remember PopLife? that blitter Game of Life for the Amiga? It does work in UAE! < 1284270169 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: sweet < 1284270171 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: decipher the code < 1284270345 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1284270651 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight. < 1284270654 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye. < 1284270655 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1284271024 0 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn37-87.vpn.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1284271347 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got everything I have already defined in the WEBMATH font to work correctly. < 1284271347 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I would still like help, for some things < 1284271347 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, suggest design for the "typewriter control graphics", which are symbols used to represent '\r' and '\n' and so on. < 1284271347 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And do you know how to draw a picture of a spider and spider web in METAFONT? < 1284271347 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any other characters you think should be added? < 1284271753 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, this is one area in which I know nothing at all, sorry. < 1284272199 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes this bug is awesome: http://zzt.belsambar.net/fora/viewtopic.php?t=3161 < 1284272212 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had NEVER found this bug until today < 1284272363 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1284272363 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1284272396 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION growls at the Family Research Council stealing the real FRC's ancronym
< 1284272541 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FRC = ? < 1284272562 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fantasy Rules Commission. < 1284272573 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmkay < 1284272582 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Committee < 1284272892 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION should learn to speak Val$ar
< 1284272971 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Val$ar should be the official language of nomics < 1284273070 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, no, no. Esperanto written with kanji should be the official language of nomics. :P < 1284273117 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :良今、我　思今。 < 1284273122 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Bonas, mi pensas.) < 1284273146 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what the Lojban equiv. of ti and tiyi is. Probably lo for both,
< 1284273152 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION pokes Warrigal
< 1284273340 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh < 1284273345 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :person is womanman < 1284273359 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(person = ejep, woman = ej, man = ep) < 1284273476 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok! < 1284273634 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :khavir ol ej < 1284273960 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+++i++++iu+i+i++iu+ < 1284274230 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"but I am < 1284274230 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>left wondering in exactly what sense I have bought the big fish." < 1284274549 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.2.8/20100722155716] < 1284275017 0 :yiyus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1284275381 0 :yiyus!~124271242@67.202.106.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1284275469 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1284275474 0 :augur!~augur@208-58-6-161.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1284276412 0 :yiyus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1284276414 0 :yiyus!~124271242@67.202.106.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1284277876 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has a hard time defining the boundary between reality and fantasy
< 1284277912 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does U.S. Law, which might contain legal fictions (corporate personhood, for example), constitute a fictitious world? < 1284278268 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just monolouged to someone who probably doesn't care :/ < 1284278399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1284278400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1284278955 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1284279529 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1284279545 0 :augur!~augur@208-58-6-161.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1284280932 0 :yiyus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1284280952 0 :yiyus!~124271242@67.202.106.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1284281534 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1284281539 0 :augur!~augur@208-58-6-161.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1284281541 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1284281546 0 :augur!~augur@208-58-6-161.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1284282104 0 :yiyus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1284282434 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1284282462 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1284282824 0 :yiyus!~124271242@67.202.106.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1284283020 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Are laws that pruport to be based on science but have absolutely no basis on ralisty legal ficition too? :-) < 1284283118 0 :yiyus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1284283123 0 :yiyus!~124271242@67.202.106.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1284283243 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, ralisty! < 1284283282 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*reality < 1284283298 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pruport! < 1284284141 0 :yiyus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1284284501 0 :yiyus!~124271242@67.202.106.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1284284820 0 :yiyus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1284285055 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1284285182 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reading the DWARF standard it seems overly complex... < 1284285194 0 :yiyus!~124271242@67.202.106.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1284285394 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Operation Hatheist update! < 1284285432 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Pope apparently doesn't wear his hat when not doing mass. < 1284285459 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As such, the hat will have to be stolen in Glasgow! < 1284285467 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1284285518 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, is it just me or is the music slightly out of sync with the video in that video you posted yesterday? Hm and now the download just failed halfway through again. < 1284285526 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at 74.6% < 1284285544 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not halfway < 1284285643 0 :yiyus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1284285649 0 :yiyus!~124271242@67.202.106.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1284285809 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, link? < 1284285841 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god i found a picture of alise < 1284285893 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quadrescence! < 1284285899 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive seen video of alise < 1284285936 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here is his pic http://i.imgur.com/YezAe.jpg < 1284285956 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not him < 1284285961 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tho i'd fuck that kid hard < 1284285965 0 :yiyus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1284285968 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, sec < 1284285975 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04OAykpufuM < 1284285999 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: where is a pic of you < 1284286007 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowhere! < 1284286166 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: please may i see a photo of u < 1284286174 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :facebook / psygnisfive < 1284286324 0 :yiyus!~124271242@67.202.106.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1284286606 0 :yiyus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1284286617 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1284287331 0 :yiyus!~124271242@67.202.106.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1284287587 0 :yiyus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1284289553 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah finally it downloads completely < 1284289780 0 :yiyus!~124271242@67.202.106.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1284289810 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Welcome honored guest. I got the key you want! would you like onderves. of Yourself < 1284289940 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" I swear there are some things that Rammstein does musically that are not far from Bach." <<< yeah bach loved to repeat a two note sequence for 2 minutes straight < 1284289952 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, XD < 1284290096 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, very nicely played in that video < 1284290140 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1284290362 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean take something like 0.0.000.000.0.1., repeat it 8 times, then put in some wonky keyboard sounds every now and then and sing a verse about fucking your girlfriend with your manly penis, then sing a chorus with some overused chord sequence like 085(10) < 1284290374 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and repeat this a couple times < 1284290378 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you have a hit rammstein song < 1284290406 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you need to optimize the chorus melody a bit (and actually have one) < 1284290426 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that riff may be from somewhere, i aimed for extremely trivial < 1284290492 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.0.000.000.0.1.|0.0.000.000.0.1.|0.0.000.003.4.1|5.5.555.333.1.3. < 1284290508 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, it's not at all rammstein now that i actually added a few notes < 1284290555 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with that addition, maybe the chorus should start at 5 < 1284290625 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: in other words, can you elaborate? < 1284290648 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::----------------------------------------P < 1284290920 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey does not elaborate. < 1284291258 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he might?!? < 1284291329 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEVER < 1284291756 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::''-( < 1284291914 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Re "music out of sync", the youtube video description apologises for av sync issues, so t's probably not just you. < 1284291932 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1284291946 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah, didn't see that due to using youtube.dl < 1284291949 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :youtube-dl* < 1284292907 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl29-2-0-cust326.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1284293099 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1284293963 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@93-82-64-55.adsl.highway.telekom.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1284295112 0 :distant_figure!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1284296066 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1284296148 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Later < 1284296245 0 :yiyus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1284296247 0 :yiyus!~124271242@67.202.106.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1284297056 0 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.115.83.45 JOIN :#esoteric < 1284297695 0 :yiyus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1284299707 0 :distant_figure!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: underflow < 1284299732 0 :distant_figure!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1284300785 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1284302146 0 :Hiant!~Person@pool-71-255-203-50.bltmmd.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1284302237 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1284302474 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1284302814 0 :alise!~alise@91.104.247.83 JOIN :#esoteric < 1284302835 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1284302865 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi Alise < 1284302871 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hi < 1284303328 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, it seems Canonical are actually paying Fraunhofer MP3 licensing fees < 1284303340 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"MPEG Layer-3 audio decoding technology licensed from Fraunhofer IIS and Thomson" < 1284304526 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1284304741 0 :Slereah!~nigger@ANantes-259-1-69-63.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1284305382 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1284305385 0 :tombom_!~tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1284305465 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1284305598 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foobar2000 is rubbish in WINE < 1284305747 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1284305862 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: what IRC client do you use? < 1284305871 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XChat..? < 1284305883 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn. < 1284305887 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1284305908 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm attempting to make it not-ugly colour-wise, but I'd rather just use something else. < 1284305912 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The little niggles are getting to me. < 1284305925 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why the hell doesn't it use native GTK+ selections? Who knows! < 1284305934 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does it open the main menu when you right click unselected text? Who knows! < 1284305949 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is it so doggone weird? Whoooo knoooows! < 1284306016 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get a colour thing in the preferences, but I suspect you've noticed that. < 1284306046 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1284306051 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a pain to fiddle around with it. < 1284306403 0 :madbrain!~madbrain@modemcable207.154-59-74.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1284306595 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY OH WHY DOES IT DO THIS TO ME < 1284306634 0 :derdon!~quassel@p5B3E7C6E.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1284307773 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, have you developed immunity to C++? < 1284307879 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forget it, then. < 1284308095 0 :relet!~hirtho@128.Red-88-6-92.staticIP.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1284308182 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1284309004 0 :Flonk!~chatzilla@80-123-46-70.adsl.highway.telekom.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1284309840 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, do you have efunge checked out? < 1284309859 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, it is possible you have to upgrade repo format since I did that for the launchpad branches. < 1284309861 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in this OS < 1284309870 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does that happen < 1284309873 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/latest/en/upgrade-guide/index.html#migrating-local-branches-after-a-central-trunk-has-migrated < 1284309888 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright, thanks for the heads up < 1284309911 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, basically, the new format is not backwards compat. And bzr in the last version started bugging me about the current one being obsolete < 1284309922 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, will probably do cfunge too later today < 1284309938 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you might want to be aware of that too < 1284310244 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I’m funded from social security disability for being insane." --LoseThos developer. < 1284310252 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have absolutely no doubts about the veracity of this claim < 1284310254 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*claim. < 1284310821 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: explain why Conspire's site has disappeared < 1284310847 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, like CWC, then. < 1284310886 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, how should I know? I don't use that software... < 1284310887 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ? < 1284310891 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you recommended it once < 1284310919 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I think I said it looked like a promising alternative to xchat or something like that < 1284310922 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, Chris Chandler? Whipping boy of the internet? < 1284310942 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, ?? < 1284310957 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, ??? < 1284310967 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, him. < 1284310980 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have better things to do than fill my head with Encyclopedia Dramatica articles, although, admittedly, not /much/ better. < 1284311009 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :His TV Tropes entry is actually split into two sections. < 1284311022 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's insane. < 1284311052 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm, never heard of him < 1284311347 0 :yiyus!~124271242@67.202.106.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1284311776 0 :afaulds!~ajf@87.114.21.180.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1284311787 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1284311790 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi. < 1284311798 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a language, but it needs an interpreter < 1284311812 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm too new to C to write a good one < 1284311813 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Deviating_Percolator < 1284311814 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaulds, spec? < 1284311822 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you go < 1284311850 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't need to write an interpreter in C. < 1284311863 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1284311868 0 :Hiant!~Person@pool-71-255-203-50.bltmmd.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1284312092 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, fizzie: upgraded cfunge trunk too now. < 1284312130 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might try writing one in javascript < 1284312145 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you and anyone else that have it checked out: http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/latest/en/upgrade-guide/index.html#migrating-local-branches-after-a-central-trunk-has-migrated < 1284312158 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaulds, what went wrong when trying to write a C one? < 1284312185 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, fizzie: use bzr info to find current url, then just check out that url again (in another dir obviously) and move over the build directory (if inside the old one) < 1284312212 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then rename the new one so it has the same name as the old one did (cmake by default uses absolute paths) < 1284312220 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :♫ it's time for the (deviating) percolator, it's time for the (deviating) percolator ♫ < 1284312230 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaulds, also, I think it could be compiled easily enough. < 1284312236 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how < 1284312270 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then the compiler must factor in every possible interpretation of the program? < 1284312295 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy enough < 1284312297 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION afk
< 1284312306 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1284312309 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not actually easy at all < 1284312311 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover is wrong < 1284312311 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaulds, oh, yes, instructions change. < 1284312314 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would have to interpret < 1284312314 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops. < 1284312379 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401080539] < 1284312584 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: What do you mean by "immunity"? < 1284312606 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That your brain doesn't go mushy when reading it. < 1284312765 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION didn't think that was possible.
< 1284312889 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaulds: What (non-esoteric) languages are you experienced with? < 1284313039 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's bad to have commands be words, would be easier to change semantics of your lines if commands were one letter < 1284313087 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or even if it were possible to define IF to PERCOLATE. < 1284313178 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, once A contains Z, A and Z can never be separated again afaiu, see also forte < 1284313207 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1284313208 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1284313216 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't take the transitive closure of lookup < 1284313223 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so nevermind < 1284313232 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you might wanna clarify this!) < 1284313243 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1284313256 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you do, i should read the rest < 1284313266 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps a quote operator? < 1284313289 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'A is A regardless of whatever the A register contains. < 1284313328 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just put A to M and use M to modify the register A < 1284313341 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no matter what A contains, you'll be modifying A < 1284313354 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1284313356 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaiu < 1284313591 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey < 1284313593 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1284313599 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm. PHP and JS mostly < 1284313651 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can preëmpt cpressey's response to the first of those. < 1284313662 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1284313675 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"PHP IS NOT A VALID LANGUAGE"? < 1284313679 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's... not a fan of PHP. < 1284313689 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of people aren't < 1284313691 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see why < 1284313697 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a horrible mess of functions < 1284313704 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was mainly curious. < 1284313715 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://catseye.tc/about/php.html < 1284313744 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By "JS" I mean "JavaScript in Web Pages", not the command line thing < 1284313803 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: lol < 1284313828 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be quite a bit easier (I think) to write an interpreter for DP in either PHP or JS, than it would be in C, so I'm not sure why C came up. < 1284313830 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am informed that JS is a nice language, though I have had bad experiences with it. < 1284313837 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1284313847 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear it has closures and such. < 1284313858 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :closures? < 1284313877 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@91-114-226-112.adsl.highway.telekom.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1284313878 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anonymous functions that capture variables from the enclosing scpe < 1284313880 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*scope < 1284313892 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1284313894 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does < 1284313919 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a = 10; f = function(b) { return b + a; }; return f < 1284313926 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and such < 1284313927 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that works < 1284313967 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone on espernet said "DevPerc is just as useful as Brainfuck" < 1284313970 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I laughed < 1284313992 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do a lot more with the latter that's actually useful < 1284314047 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how to make synchronized audio in SDL? < 1284314075 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DevPerc isn't TC? < 1284314129 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1284314146 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, I don't think 26 bytes max space is turing complete < 1284314149 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Deviating_Percolator < 1284314164 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think DevPerc is TC < 1284314165 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in reality you have significantly less < 1284314173 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1284314179 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you used files < 1284314179 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1284314180 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1284314195 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as there are no limits on input/output < 1284314204 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you linked that to memory... < 1284314207 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I googled, and there's something for Amiga... < 1284314228 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah, devpac < 1284314231 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo: doesn't it involve making a callback? < 1284314233 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something unrelated < 1284314250 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll edit my page to clarify < 1284314258 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey! I don't have Emacs! < 1284314263 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION rectifies
< 1284314322 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaulds: it reminds me of Fugue, a bit < 1284314336 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, once you define something once, you can never redefine it < 1284314338 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you do < 1284314340 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DEFINE A TO X < 1284314342 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DEFINE X TO Y < 1284314344 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1284314346 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DEFINE A TO B < 1284314349 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then you lose A < 1284314353 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yupyup < 1284314354 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1284314360 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaulds: i do think you should make commands single letters < 1284314363 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could then change A back by loosing Z < 1284314368 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise < 1284314373 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I deliberately chose not to < 1284314380 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make it HARDER to program in < 1284314403 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if someone wants to make an easier single-letter derivative, go ahead < 1284314427 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"/ - Line Comment" ;; not //? < 1284314517 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In case anyone would like to hear the actual 'percolator' song I was referring to earlier, I found it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S-Ti1Aqx1c < 1284314537 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: yes. I had // but decided / was simpler < 1284314565 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's esoteric after all :D < 1284314703 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaulds, incidentally, memory isn't 26B. < 1284314712 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1284314741 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? < 1284314772 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, it is. < 1284314791 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got confuzzled over types. < 1284314817 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1284315016 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain: Audio in SDL does involve making a callback. It is a separate thread so I need synchroized < 1284315023 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never written a re-entrant parser! < 1284315027 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to do that! < 1284315038 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" also, once you define something once, you can never redefine it" " afaulds: i do think you should make commands single letters" <<< stop repeating me < 1284315057 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://no-http.org/ < 1284315061 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1284315061 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first one is not true, as i elaborated < 1284315070 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1284315075 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can change it < 1284315081 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you loose another variable < 1284315116 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but you'll always have just one var that's unusable right < 1284315123 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or several < 1284315129 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hmm < 1284315144 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact to store anything you need to point one to another. so set y to x, then change x, and access it through y < 1284315219 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1284315233 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I make audio synchronize in SDL? < 1284315234 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, it's really hard to do anything really < 1284315349 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'm guessing here. A condition variable? So your audio thread can wait for your main thread? < 1284315389 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: In SDL, you don't set up the audio thread using the thread commands, it automatically set up the audio thread using SDL_OpenAudio command. < 1284315462 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't see offhand how that would be a big obstacle; you can still create a global condition variable, and share it between the threads, unless I'm mistaken. < 1284315491 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, SDL may hate you, if you try, but... < 1284315523 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there doesn't seem to be a command to access the audio thread! < 1284315574 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have that audio callback, that's called in the audio thread. < 1284315624 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes it is called in the audio thread. But the audio thread is managed only by SDL itself. < 1284315669 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think the idea is that you write code that is called in the audio thread; so, from that code, you can access that thread. < 1284315698 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but why is that a problem? You can either spend time waiting in the callback if SDL doesn't mind, or use a separate synchronous-audio buffer so that the callback can happen fast (as long as the buffer's not empty). < 1284315710 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example you could call pthread_self() in the audio callback (assuming pthreads). < 1284315753 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I have to use SDL threads. And I am not quite sure that the SDL threads are actually available for the audio thread, anyways. < 1284315785 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is SDL_LockAudio() and SDL_UnlockAudio() < 1284315796 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't quite know where to put these in the right places. < 1284315800 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That just makes the callback not be called during that time, IIRC. < 1284315823 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eugh, SDL < 1284315841 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like you're doing something way too advanced for SDL :P < 1284315845 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SDL is alright < 1284316044 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, well, if SDL is forcing you to use 'SDL threads' which aren't defined well enough to support synchronization, then, you can't synchronize :) < 1284316072 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I'd do would be: have a buffer of suitable size, and a mutex M and condition C. Then your synchronous audio write does (e.g.) "SDL_mutexP(M); while (buffer-is-full) SDL_CondWait(C, M); write_stuff_to_buffer(); SDL_mutexV(M);" and your audio callback does "SDL_mutexP(M); write_some_audio_out_from_buffer(); SDL_CondBroadcast(C); SDL_mutexV(M);". < 1284316075 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SDL threads can synchronize, I think. < 1284316096 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But SDL audio doesn't provide access to SDL thread, I think. < 1284316110 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I can try that, to see if it works. < 1284316113 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no SDL_SelfThread()? < 1284316120 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't need the thread ID for anything; it's enough to know that it happens in a different thread. < 1284316144 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: There's SDL_ThreadID() which returns the current thread ID, but I see no use for that here. < 1284316148 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is. But it says the call back function "This function usually runs in a separate thread" < 1284316247 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK; I agree, if SDL provides condvars like so, I guess you don't need to know what the current thread is to use them. < 1284316254 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, my school mandated AV is being slow < 1284316266 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to have made EICAR look like a 0-byte file < 1284316275 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then, a few minutes later, pop up a warning < 1284316294 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says it *usually* runs in separate thread, but does somethings doesn't? < 1284316389 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find the "sometimes" bit in the SDL docs, but on the other hand I can't find any reference to the audio thread either. You could take a look at the code. I think it's very likely it runs in a separate thread at least on those platforms where the whole threading stuff is supported. < 1284316432 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For now I just have it unsynchronized < 1284316466 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if (SDL_ThreadID() == main_tid) abort("SDL hates me"); < 1284316490 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: abort() doesn't take an argument. :p < 1284316597 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION failed the exam
< 1284316610 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do they have to use RapidShare for the BytePusher programs? < 1284316866 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1284316987 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"we will not spy out the files that our clients faithfully upload onto RapidShare, not now nor in future. We are against upload control and guarantee you that your files are safe with us and will not be opened by anyone else than yourself, unless you distribute the download link." < 1284316992 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RapidShare: the Swiss bank of the internet. < 1284317061 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1284317094 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could make things very hard-synchronized to the audio output, too; make the audio buffer size equal to one BytePusher frame -- 256 samples -- and have the audio callback SDL_PushEvent() a user-defined "compute one more frame" event; then have a main event loop that executes one frame's worth of instructions whenever it gets that event. SDL_PushEvent is threadsafe, you should be able to call it whether or not the audio callback is in a separate threa < 1284317094 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d or not. That sort of thing will probably break pretty badly if you don't manage to run the 65536 ByteByteJump instructions fast enough, so that the events start to pile up. < 1284317110 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: do you still have Helvetica Neue? < 1284317112 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey < 1284317116 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait isn't it swiss? < 1284317124 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they use euros < 1284317141 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaulds: German-owned but run out of Switzerland < 1284317145 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to WP < 1284317219 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1284317223 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I thought < 1284317245 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: do you still have Helvetica Neue? <-- no clue. Why? < 1284317252 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I judged based on their accent and currency. There are some videos from the rapidshare marketing dept. on the site < 1284317277 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I presume I have it somewhere, even if not installed < 1284317292 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: because I gave it to you and I'd like it back :-P < 1284317306 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ah but you gave me a copy, that is how digital stuff works < 1284317327 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but the machine that i have it on, < 1284317328 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is in a box < 1284317331 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unplugged < 1284317335 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without a keyboard or mouse < 1284317339 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i would quite appreciate the file < 1284317341 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1284317347 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, will look in a few seconds < 1284317367 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, right after I get rid of this irritating fly < 1284317476 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :luxi mono sucks on linux, huh... < 1284317478 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, where do you like me to scp them? I assume you can set up a temp account on some suitable server. The one I normally use is not available atm due to data center problems < 1284317493 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: filebin.ca < 1284317500 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use tor if you must < 1284317523 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, why would I trust tor. Probably NSA behind it ;) < 1284317523 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohai wareya I see you found #esoteric too < 1284317537 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Uhh... no. < 1284317546 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1284317546 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaulds: he found it way before you :) < 1284317560 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you hear about all that stuff on wikileaks FROM tor? < 1284317561 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION growls at amount of homework
< 1284317564 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1284317578 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I was joking < 1284317588 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaulds: in this case, the data leaking is unimportant < 1284317590 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only its origin < 1284317597 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1284317735 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gets Monaco on Linux
< 1284317736 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woot < 1284317902 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately no bold version and the false bold is hideous < 1284317915 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, http://filebin.ca/rauedb/fonts.pax.xz < 1284317933 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Openly breaking the law? Shock! < 1284317947 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks for making me install xz. I'm sure the file's huge. :P < 1284317947 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well I don't. You own a legal copy of them. < 1284317958 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But others don't! < 1284317965 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, what is wrong with xz? < 1284317967 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I still think it's illegal; redistribution is prohibited. < 1284317970 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing, just amusing. < 1284317996 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't suppose I gave you any Monaco ones? < 1284317998 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, arch packages use xz these days < 1284318000 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure I did... < 1284318001 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks a lot, btw. < 1284318008 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, not any that I saw in that directory < 1284318012 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if they are elsewhere: no clue < 1284318028 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it had LucidaGrande though < 1284318043 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1284318091 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, anyway I would be surprised if xz is not installed by standard on modern distros < 1284318092 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1284318095 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like bzip2 and such < 1284318097 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in Ubuntu, it seems. < 1284318106 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I said modern distros < 1284318116 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... what? < 1284318131 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has xz installed on Ubuntu.
< 1284318136 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, btw I did consider using shar + compress first or something silly like that < 1284318140 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I can't remember installing it. < 1284318147 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, but I didn't have the relevant stuff installed < 1284318169 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, did you install lzma stuff? < 1284318173 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahh, Helvetica Neue is filling the gap of a nice sans font. < 1284318174 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since xz replaced lzma < 1284318185 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For IRC etc. < 1284318187 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I don't remember installing that either. < 1284318192 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, nothing wrong with dejavu sans. Very readable on screen < 1284318203 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like it in XChat; XChat renders text strangely. < 1284318217 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it fucks with the letter-spacing; it /definitely/ has too little line spacing. < 1284318221 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, dejavu sans mono is perfect in xchat in my experience < 1284318232 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Allow me to quote ais523. < 1284318239 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1284318240 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:52:57 alise, you don't use Dejavu Sans Mono? < 1284318241 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:53:08 Sgeo: monospace for /IRC/? < 1284318247 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[...] < 1284318247 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:53:23 I know it's common, but I can't see any reason why you'd do that except to make myndzi's /o/ thing work properly < 1284318257 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the support of ais523; my position is therefore unquestionable. < 1284318272 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, um services output < 1284318284 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I ask services for help every day. < 1284318288 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's still readable, just not perfectly aligned.) < 1284318305 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hm, I guess running an irc network means you need to do that quite a bit more often < 1284318330 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, also other output than help < 1284318339 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though mostly of interest to opers I guess < 1284318352 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1284318353 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :         � < 1284318353 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :        ��� < 1284318359 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monaco renders surprisingly well here. < 1284318360 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...What? < 1284318365 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :appropriate! < 1284318365 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, xchat? < 1284318376 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION concludes that the drawing is of Cthulhu.
< 1284318382 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o\ < 1284318383 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :         | < 1284318383 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :        /`\ < 1284318386 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't line up here at all < 1284318400 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using same type of nick alignment as xchat does < 1284318414 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how Monaco 9 is the bitmapped version. < 1284318419 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, nicks aligned right against a separator, and text aligned left on the other side < 1284318429 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a terribly legible font on a high-ppi display, though. < 1284318460 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, bitmapped fonts are rather dpi dependent indeed < 1284318506 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use monospace for IRC < 1284318518 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION 's jaw drops
< 1284318521 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION loves C
< 1284318530 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isspace() won't compain if you pass it a pointer < 1284318536 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a macro < 1284318537 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah. < 1284318544 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn, alise beat me to it < 1284318550 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: that's gotta be some usage though :D < 1284318556 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew it was a macro -- that's no real excuse < 1284318566 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks about how to fix it
< 1284318570 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, gcc? -Wall -Wextra -pedantic ? < 1284318581 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a few ways to fix the macro < 1284318588 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might give you some reaction < 1284318647 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I can't think how exactly. < 1284318658 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which alignments are common in IRC? (I guess the one Vorpal specified can mean all message from anyone lined up with each other) < 1284318673 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that, and left-aligned < 1284318680 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think I'm already using all warning options < 1284318682 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yes < 1284318682 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, left aligned " message" is also common < 1284318690 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XChat can actually do that. < 1284318691 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't think I seen any other ones < 1284318727 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Some have the time, I think? But usually they are all aligned due to HH:MM:SS with leading zeros < 1284318727 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I find that the xchat way of aligning it increases readability < 1284318738 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to left alignment < 1284318740 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Tell that to Shakespeare. < 1284318740 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just tried -ansi -pedantic -- no change with those either < 1284318742 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, hm... < 1284318743 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1284318747 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hah < 1284318758 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: After all, plays are set in the left-aligned format. < 1284318763 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Maybe, change the macro to make it different < 1284318786 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf @ Emacs set-background-color < 1284318787 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arabic chatrooms might do well right-aligned < 1284318789 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't let you enter fucking rgb! < 1284318808 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XChat has a varying number of spaces between timestamp and nick < 1284318809 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only when called from lisp < 1284318817 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, yeah but doing it this way by hand would be more annoying. Also quite often longer lines. No line in the last screen-full had to be split over more than one line on screen for me < 1284318826 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, except that one I just said XD < 1284318830 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf Emacs < 1284318832 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you think is 10pt < 1284318833 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently, the isspace macro includes a cast to (int) < 1284318833 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is actually smaller < 1284318837 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :than what the rest of my programs think is 10pt < 1284318844 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: In my computer there is not aligned in either of those two ways. But instead it use color-coding. Messages are colored blue! < 1284318845 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it probably got confused by DPI? < 1284318852 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there anything that I like that alise won't hate during my duration of liking it < 1284318852 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1284318858 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah, 96 is a really confusing dpi setting < 1284318859 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Why does it include a cast to (int)? < 1284318866 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe X11 guesses it as something else and Emacs looks at that instead < 1284318869 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: breathing < 1284318870 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I thought you said you used high-DPI? < 1284318873 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which you are now doing manually < 1284318875 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was that another monitor < 1284318879 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, but shit works better set to 96 dpi :P < 1284318886 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: at least it had the decency to segfault when i passed it the pointer -- i could have spent a good few hours in confusion if it hasn't < 1284318888 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, as for x11 guess. Let me find the program < 1284318889 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hadn't < 1284318890 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Change the macro if you do not like it < 1284318904 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ xdpyinfo | grep resolution < 1284318904 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : resolution: 90x88 dots per inch < 1284318905 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf? < 1284318906 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :greaaat, it doesn't let me try Monospace 10.5 pt < 1284318908 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that isn't right < 1284318916 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird@dinky:~/Downloads/helvetica$ xdpyinfo | grep resolution < 1284318916 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : resolution: 96x96 dots per inch < 1284318920 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I've written my own isspace() before, and I'll do it again if I have to :) < 1284318923 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm absolutely certain I have square pixels < 1284318925 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on this thing < 1284318948 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : dimensions: 1680x1050 pixels (474x303 millimeters) < 1284318949 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1284318953 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't look right < 1284318957 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks for a ruler
< 1284318957 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wants five-sided pixels
< 1284318967 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird@dinky:~/Downloads/helvetica$ xrdb -query < 1284318967 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Xft.dpi: 96 < 1284318984 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Which program are you writing? If you are writing a C program, you can also try using Enhanced CWEB (if you have TeX installed). < 1284318986 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i doubt your monitor is that big. < 1284319007 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More specifically, it tells libXft to use said DPI. If it exists, < 1284319008 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :libXft adds that value (a double) to the patterns it sends on to < 1284319008 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fontconfig. < 1284319008 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it does not exist, libXft uses DisplayHeight * 25.4 / DisplayHeightMM. < 1284319008 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe it uses those two (prefering the Xft.dpi value) only if the < 1284319008 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :application hasn't already specified FC_DPI in the fontconfig pattern. < 1284319010 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, indeed. it seems closer to 470x300 mm < 1284319035 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh, then it is that big < 1284319042 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise forgot to breathe < 1284319045 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and yes I have a large desktop monitor < 1284319054 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that in diagonal inches? < 1284319057 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to get something really confusing out of xdpyinfo in a former multi-monitor setup, but now when everything's a different screen, it just lists them separately. < 1284319088 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I don't have any ruler with any non-SI scale alas. But it is longer than my longest ruler. My longest ruler is 50 cm < 1284319121 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't print inches on the other side of the ruler in Sweden? < 1284319131 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, not commonly no < 1284319142 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess they only do that in the uk since inches are occasionally used by normal people and always used by old people < 1284319153 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we stopped using inches like a couple of hundred years ago < 1284319155 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps because we state height in feet and inches; it's for *really* short people < 1284319156 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, Sweden been on metric way longer < 1284319157 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://p.zem.fi/xdpyinfo -- no idea how accurate *those* are. < 1284319165 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, yeah something like that < 1284319171 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use both metric and inches, depending on what is being measured < 1284319186 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, 524x321 ? < 1284319196 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1284319211 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've had a combined metric/inch ruler, but certainly not all of them have had those. < 1284319222 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1284319235 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yeah I seen ones, but I don't have any such myself < 1284319238 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi cpressey < 1284319253 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the vast majority of rulers here in the UK have both inches and centimetres < 1284319255 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For measuring the temperature of an oven, I will use Fahrenheit but for weather and most other temperature I can use Celsius, but for absolute temperature, and physics and other science stuff, Kelvin is the proper measure of temperature that I prefer. < 1284319270 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what do you call those "not really a ruler" things that were used before calculators were invented? < 1284319278 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have one of those somewhere I think < 1284319279 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Slide rules, you mean? < 1284319280 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: WJW, Emacs stores font HEIGHT in 1/10 pts. < 1284319288 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, strange unit? < 1284319296 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For measuring typefaces I can use points instead of inches or metres < 1284319298 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, also "WJW"? < 1284319301 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's too bad English doesn't have a single term to mean "the current state of a parsing process". < 1284319303 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: WJW = Wow Just Wow < 1284319311 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"parse_state" is so... unappealing. < 1284319315 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-712-j < 1284319321 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ah, hm... points here is not pixels is it? < 1284319321 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: just use "state" < 1284319324 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: And according to a tape measure, that monitor is something like 518x322 mm, so it wasn't so far off. < 1284319325 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: of course not < 1284319328 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, right < 1284319332 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: If this language had namespaces, SURE! < 1284319336 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :come up with your own word < 1284319338 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, slide ruler it seems like yeah < 1284319344 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pstate. Like Psmith. < 1284319355 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I think mine is broken perhaps. And I have no idea how it is used < 1284319359 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :105 1/10 pts seems to give me what I want, proper 10pt. < 1284319361 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure where I got it from even < 1284319370 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i made a conlang once with namespaces < 1284319427 0 :Flonk!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1284319458 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: The HTK toolkit measures times in units of 1/10 microseconds, or 100 nanoseconds; that's a bit strange unit too. (I *think* they've chosen that because then a single sample at 16 kHz is exactly 625 "units", an integral number... but who knows.) < 1284319620 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The sampling rate option, also, is not the frequency, but the period: the very obvious "SOURCERATE = 625" means a 16 kHz sampling rate.) < 1284319739 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it would be an integer if you used nanosenconds too < 1284319805 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but then you'd end up with larger numbers. < 1284319815 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that way 32 KHz would be an integer too I think. Unlike currently. < 1284319853 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but people don't much do >16 kHz for speech processing. < 1284319881 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, making an Emacs colour scheme is a bitch. < 1284319974 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what sort of integers (or floats) they use for the times, though. If it's 0.1 µs, and 32-bit signed integers, that would mean the largest possible time would be... < 1284319977 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print 2**31/1000/1000/10 < 1284319978 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :214.7483648 < 1284319983 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not very many seconds. < 1284320078 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, with 2^64 it is quite a enough though < 1284320089 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why signed for time? < 1284320108 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"time since start of whatever you want to measure" seems like it should be unsigned < 1284320110 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People tend to use signed integers everywhere, no matter if it makes sense or not. < 1284320122 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do? < 1284320125 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They do. < 1284320136 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: For 64-bit UNIX timestamps, I think it should be signed. For 32-bit UNIX timestamps it should be unsigned. < 1284320173 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love English. I love how an endeavour, like making an Emacs colour scheme, can "be a bitch", but if you said "The act of making an Emacs colour scheme is bitchy", or "My Emacs colour scheme is bitchen'", you mean completely different things. < 1284320178 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :These times are from start of an audio sample, though, where negative values are a lot less meaningful. < 1284320183 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The second one has very shaky semantics. < 1284320204 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes in that case, negative values are not generally useful. < 1284320250 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, mhm was not about such timestamps though < 1284320292 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm does using one-complement for negative numbers require separate signed/unsigned addition/subtraction? < 1284320330 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so < 1284320485 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :struct cell *c = malloc(sizeof(struct cell)); < 1284320496 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C has such a nice liturgical rhythm to it. < 1284320507 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: According to comp.lang.c, the preferred way to write that is: struct cell *c = malloc(sizeof *c); < 1284320515 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Liturgical rhythm? < 1284320515 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION failed the exam
< 1284320527 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: like a chant. < 1284320530 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Since then you need to just update one place when you change the type. Both *work*, of course. < 1284320544 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also write a macro, of course. < 1284320552 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : cpressey: According to comp.lang.c, the preferred way to write that is: struct cell *c = malloc(sizeof *c); <-- why? < 1284320567 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: cpressey: Since then you need to just update one place when you change the type. Both *work*, of course. < 1284320567 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah wait, fizzie said that same second as I asked < 1284320589 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< fizzie> Vorpal: cpressey: < 1284320599 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just wanted the palindome there) < 1284320602 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < fizzie> Vorpal: cpressey: <-- that looks funny. < 1284320626 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < fizzie> Vorpal: cpressey: <-- so does that. Also wtf at current lag to server... < 1284320668 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION blinks a few times
< 1284320671 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a new UF < 1284320685 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On a day that previous UF comics were about the day. This one wasn't < 1284320686 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@d NEW(_1,_2) _1@[*_2@]=malloc(sizeof(_1)) < 1284320702 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is one way to write a macro for doing like that, if you want to. < 1284320705 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what? < 1284320720 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20100911&mode=classic < 1284320731 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: so how would you write isspace, given a macro _isspace that does what isspace(x) normally does (without type checking), such that it fails at compile time if the argument is not a char? < 1284320755 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Probably use some GNU extension command < 1284320764 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I still don't understand. < 1284320768 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I mean, standard C. < 1284320770 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is one to check for compatible types < 1284320777 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um. Writing a re-entrant parser in C is just like using continuations, isn't it? I'm going to have to write a trampoline, aren't I? Half the people here are going "ofc" and the other half are going "wat", aren't they? < 1284320792 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION may have been mistaken
< 1284320806 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Uhh, you could just pass parser state around. < 1284320808 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I don't know if there is a way. Although it can probably be made to make a warning < 1284320812 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: And use a recursive-descent model. < 1284320838 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Well, hm... do you know what I have to do to T to make foo[T] an error? < 1284320842 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo[pointer] works, so... < 1284320848 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo[(something) x], maybe? < 1284320857 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: re-entrant means I can't recurse (in the sense of one C function calling another). < 1284320868 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Why not? < 1284320884 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: well, not unless I wanted to mess with C's stack. I don't... < 1284320886 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reentrant_%28subroutine%29 < 1284320890 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing here suggests that. < 1284320894 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are we using different definitions? < 1284320897 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We might be < 1284320909 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define it, then. < 1284320930 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I want to say parse("(a (b c (d)") and say parse(" e f) g)") later. < 1284320943 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with control returning to me in between < 1284320944 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it is ever an error in C to add wrong types, but it is always a warning. < 1284320945 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not what re-entrant means. < 1284320950 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: setjmp/longjmp < 1284320953 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, I'm hating the new UF < 1284320960 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20100901&mode=classic < 1284320963 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: That's messing with C's stack. < 1284320965 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even find this one funny < 1284320967 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: it's done for you < 1284320973 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just.. almost, due to the self reference < 1284320983 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"setjmp() unless the setjmp pointer is null" at the start of parse < 1284320988 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then null it out before longjmp()ing in parse < 1284320991 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you reach the end of the string < 1284320993 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :store the parsed-so-far location in a global variable < 1284320995 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and voila < 1284321003 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: it's munging the stack just as much as call-withc < 1284321004 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind < 1284321007 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*call-with-current-continuation is. < 1284321026 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: * Sgeo blinks a few times < 1284321026 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : There was a new UF < 1284321026 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : On a day that previous UF comics were about the day. This one wasn't < 1284321030 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: this is utterly incomprehensible < 1284321034 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only real problem I have with Enhanced CWEB so far, is lack of support for variadic macros (even if the C compiler supports it). < 1284321060 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do that -- parse("(a"), return of control, parse(" b)") -- just by writing parse() so that it manually keeps enough state somewhere between calls. (Then it won't be the-usual-definition-of-reentrant, though.) < 1284321065 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, for some reason, I was under the impression that every 9/11, Illiad put up a comic relating to it. I was mistaken < 1284321087 0 :Flonk!~chatzilla@93-82-38-247.adsl.highway.telekom.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1284321108 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Illiad has lost his nut: http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20100831 < 1284321115 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if you can stick anything in front of "Studies" and get a degree in it.
< 1284321117 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :User Friendly is such a terrible comic. < 1284321125 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Faeces Studies < 1284321131 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have a degree of "Studies Studies"? < 1284321135 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, only after this resumption < 1284321142 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I shall! < 1284321159 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You do know those have been submitted by readers, right? (Just checking.) < 1284321165 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it appears that these are guest strips. < 1284321167 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fix studies < 1284321170 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i found this out by reading the comments. < 1284321171 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wants to make a university reference but is too woefully naïve to do so.
< 1284321179 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, now I do.. < 1284321189 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The last few weeks of cartoons, and the next week or two coming, are submissions in the UF by UFies contest. There are some talented and, um, unusual minds out there." -- it says so right on the front page. < 1284321238 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION failed to notice :/
< 1284321278 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION now finds that he relates to http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20100901&mode=classic
< 1284321317 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if UF was like http://www.userfriendly.org/cartoons/archives/10aug/uf014231.gif every day, I'd read it < 1284321389 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION just broke his "don't read UF links either" rule
< 1284321392 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for what? < 1284321407 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION scratches it out even harder
< 1284321442 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I stopped reading uf ages ago. < 1284321443 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: psht, http://www.userfriendly.org/cartoons/archives/10aug/uf014231.gif is great < 1284321448 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :primarily because it's nothing like UF is or has ever been < 1284321454 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: only by contrast < 1284321458 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: yes < 1284321468 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno i'd read a strip of those < 1284321476 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: do you like Dinosaur Comics? < 1284321489 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: ... is that a generic term? probably not. < 1284321493 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION likes UF!
< 1284321507 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, qwantz < 1284321509 0 :yiyus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1284321519 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: http://qwantz.com/ < 1284321522 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, cpressey < 1284321525 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only the greatest comic in the world. < 1284321540 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh come now. Nothing can exceed Pokey the Penguin. < 1284321552 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, it may use the exact same panels each time, but nowhere else are there intellectual dinosaurs using uppercase a lot and being hilarious. < 1284321558 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tl'dr < 1284321559 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I think Dinosaur Comics may actually predate it... < 1284321566 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :February 2003 < 1284321572 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1284321574 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pokey is 1998 < 1284321576 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, whatever < 1284321603 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I'm actually surprised you've never heard of it; it is most excellent. < 1284321611 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: ROCK. UNDER ME LIVE. < 1284321621 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALSO, largely PREFER IT THAT WAY. < 1284321627 0 :relet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1284321633 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: http://www.qwantz.com/index.php?comic=1794 < 1284321636 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you do not laugh, you have no soul. < 1284321710 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... guess I have no soul. < 1284321737 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20100811 < 1284321763 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, perhaps #esoteric, which is by and large the funniest thing in the universe, has spoiled me. < 1284321819 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1284321909 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Read the Dinosaur Comics archive backwards. I guarantee you will hit something hilarious in ten clicks or less. < 1284321930 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1284322262 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually don't get the dinosaur comics < 1284322409 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In C, return should be like ++ < 1284322453 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :printf("Count is now %d", return(count) = foo + bar); < 1284322543 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now why does gcc not understand that strdup was *not* implicitly declared, because I #include'd? < 1284322580 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, when did I introduce you to the whole "idiot requesting efnet#secondlife issue? < 1284322581 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1284322592 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You said it was a troll, and ignoring it would make it go away < 1284322612 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess what was asked in there about 9min ago < 1284322619 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that anyone's responding < 1284322623 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or even active enough to care < 1284322637 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1284322642 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I don't know. I have not had that problem < 1284322690 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually, neither do I. something of a mystery < 1284322695 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: strdup is not standard, so you don't get it in a standard-conforming mode. < 1284322706 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: could be related to the feature test macros mentioned in the manpage < 1284322747 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/functions/strdup.html ? < 1284322758 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Standard C, I mean. < 1284322787 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Something like -std=c99 or -ansi will make it not pull in strdup by default in . But usually you get it by default. < 1284322794 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it's in *some* standards. < 1284322796 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ok. i am doing the mode conform thing < 1284322886 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :malloc-then-strcpy shall suffice < 1284322921 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you compute the length for malloc, you could memcpy too. < 1284322921 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should add into Enhanced CWEB, the feature for telling it to add something after the next semicolon, and a code to tell it to add something at the beginning of the current { } block < 1284322932 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't forget to null-check after malloc < 1284322943 0 :yiyus!~124271242@67.202.106.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1284323070 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my data structure for s-expressions is a bit wack anyway. i'm not going for 'clean' this weekend. < 1284323088 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're not going to clean yourself at all this weekend? How... dirty! < 1284323110 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, how can something that simple be a bit wack? < 1284323114 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:45:16 wait isn't it swiss? < 1284323114 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:45:24 they use euros < 1284323122 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc switzerland doesn't use euros < 1284323154 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're not in the eu. not that that has stopped a number of other countries. < 1284323163 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: since you want to know -- only cons-cells have self-describing types. atoms don't. this is a bit wack. < 1284323171 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to fix it, clearly < 1284323184 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaulds: ^ < 1284323190 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, heh < 1284323366 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" I usually don't get the dinosaur comics" <<< yay me neither < 1284323428 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : don't forget to null-check after malloc <-- and remember to check that fclose() didn't fail < 1284323442 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and remember to not code in C, basically < 1284323459 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, unless you are writing a kernel. < 1284323538 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eugh, close-calls that can fail... I've never understood what the hell I'm supposed to do with an error like that < 1284323569 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Why not code in C? < 1284323575 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1284323580 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It was sort of a joke. < 1284323585 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xz: Adjusted LZMA2 dictionary size from 64 MiB to 56 MiB to not exceed the memory usage limit of 602 MiB < 1284323586 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1284323591 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Code in Enhanced CWEB instead. < 1284323616 0 :contingo!~contingo@swong.plus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1284323631 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: don't tempt me! :) Actually, I might translate some of my C code to Enhanced CWEB, some time... < 1284323649 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1284323654 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, fclose() can fail due to 1) bad file descriptor 2) stuff in stdio buffer (if file is buffered) left to write, and that write failing < 1284323662 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and if the underlying close() fails < 1284323693 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which can fail with EBADF (bad file descriptor), EINTR (interrupted by signal) and EIO (I/O error) < 1284323703 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I/O error... how specific < 1284323715 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:22:24 Pstate. Like Psmith. < 1284323721 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Which programs? And if you need help you can ask me some things about Enhanced CWEB < 1284323721 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :another buck godot fan? < 1284323766 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I was thinking stringie (my underload interpreter) would be a good candidate. I'll make sure to ask you :) < 1284323808 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, incidentally, do you read Schlock Mercenary < 1284323811 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*? < 1284323832 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1284323873 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vaguely want to, but I have concluded that with Archive Binge maxed out at the highest rate possible it will still take most of a year to read. < 1284323889 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: or is that from wodehouse? (who i haven't read but google says so) < 1284323907 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh. That's Wodehouse, yes. < 1284323922 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I read the archives in about a week. Not in one go, but split out over 4 weeks or so iirc < 1284323956 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, when? < 1284323975 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. how many comics did you get through. < 1284324007 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, hm about half a year ago I think < 1284324018 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, quite a lot still < 1284324040 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, it isn't much worse than IWC in comic count iirc < 1284324048 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe even less than iwc < 1284324071 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It took me ages to read through IWC! < 1284324072 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I don't recall how long it took me to go through the archives, but not too many weeks. This was.. around 2005-2006, I think, though. < 1284324194 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, IWC took a few weeks too < 1284324198 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not much < 1284324407 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixing the wack now. if you car a non-list you die. yeah, that seems fair < 1284324419 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION groumbles about Perl
< 1284324529 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, what wack? < 1284324578 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< cpressey> Vorpal: since you want to know -- only cons-cells have self-describing types. atoms don't. this is a bit wack. < 1284324582 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ^ < 1284325089 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, hm why should putting a non-list in cdr be invalid? < 1284325112 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, a non-cons-cell rather < 1284325114 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: a) it shouldn't b) ask Haskell < 1284325124 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, so what did you mean with fixing the wack now. if you car a non-list you die. yeah, that seems fair < 1284325137 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: car(123) < 1284325141 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :car('foo) < 1284325145 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, ah < 1284325172 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, sounds like it should be compile time error (if it is compiled) < 1284325182 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell :t (:) < 1284325182 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not for scheme, since you could redefine car there < 1284325190 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(:) :: a -> [a] -> [a] < 1284325219 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume you're riffing on that somehow. < 1284325240 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I wonder how much space using squashfs for various things will save < 1284325255 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc scheme _requires_ non-list cdrs for its vararg syntax < 1284325280 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(define (func first-arg . rest) ...) < 1284325282 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh? doesn't it pass the varargs as a list parameter? < 1284325293 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you mean the syntax? < 1284325293 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can, or it can do it that way. < 1284325296 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah < 1284325311 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, was that "yeah" to "syntax"? < 1284325313 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1284325318 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yeah) < 1284325330 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1284325368 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I was riffing on that Haskell doesn't do improper lists < 1284325425 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is the only sensible way to do things. < 1284325429 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course in haskell (,) is essentially a cons without type restrictions < 1284325455 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, but it's too restricted for lists. < 1284325456 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the disadvantage you cannot have a recursive type for it < 1284325578 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: nuts to "sensible" < 1284325625 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, by "sensible" I mean "permissible under the type system without algebraic data type kludges." < 1284325628 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent. Using squashfs cut space wasted on icc by half < 1284325705 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, less than half. Misread 1.2 GB as 2.1 GB somehow < 1284325708 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so about 1/4 < 1284325750 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: maybe your brain is upside down < 1284325757 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, hah < 1284326025 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal descends from the lost umop ap!sdn tribe < 1284326119 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, perhaps. My ancestry is clouded in mystery. < 1284326138 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why "Vorpal"? < 1284326210 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, I had that for quite some time now? < 1284326222 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, and because I wanted to change. And why not this one < 1284326238 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, I assume you get the dual (or maybe triple) reference? < 1284326248 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: so he can go snicker-snack, of course < 1284326312 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION snickers, then snacks
< 1284326366 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1284326446 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: if i got the reference, i would've been satisfied < 1284326454 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO SORRY ABOUT NOT BEING AS SMART AS YOU < 1284326491 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, um. the one oerjan mentioned of course < 1284326495 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, and then nethack too < 1284326501 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which references the first thing < 1284326510 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that which oerjan referred to < 1284326514 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay, thanks < 1284326520 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: help? < 1284326523 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, plus I think D&D references the whole thing too < 1284326525 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1284326533 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" oklofok: so he can go snicker-snack, of course" <<< this? < 1284326540 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, yes. < 1284326544 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: any help>? < 1284326546 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*? < 1284326553 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, you know what oerjan is talking about surely? < 1284326564 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, don't you know the source of "To be or not to be"? < 1284326568 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is about as famous < 1284326574 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, almost < 1284326578 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it is far more famous. < 1284326595 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, hm perhaps < 1284326596 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same part of the world, though. < 1284326613 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, you mean written rather than taking place I presume? < 1284326624 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks Vorpal is trying to lead oklofok down a rabbit-hole
< 1284326631 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, oh certainly < 1284326637 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1284326666 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, though actually I think you are confusing the two most famous works of that author here. < 1284326675 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get your jabberwockys out of here < 1284326689 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so it's some sort of alise-story reference? < 1284326693 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, you presumably meant through a visual reflection device < 1284326698 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've read the first few pages in lojban < 1284326724 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION concludes that oklofok really has never read it
< 1284326742 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how strange < 1284326745 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabberwocky < 1284326748 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, famous < 1284326752 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1284326754 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, ^ < 1284326764 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was also a monty python movie < 1284326769 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do not read fiction < 1284326771 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Vonlebio < 1284326773 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do not watch monty python < 1284326823 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, also it is is "Alice" not "Alise" < 1284326829 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this context < 1284326830 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll just send this new evidence to the Society for Proving Oklo* is not Human < 1284326862 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, :D < 1284326877 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should know this by now < 1284326878 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, though that looked grammatically awkward < 1284326917 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my grammar _perfectly_ acceptably always! < 1284326919 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is to be or not to be from hamlet? < 1284326922 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, it wasn't "i'll just send this new evidence to the (Society for Proving Oklo*) is not Human". I read it as "Provoking Oklo*" first time < 1284326928 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that explains my confusion < 1284326947 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, indeed < 1284326970 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: yes < 1284326977 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, anyway you could just have googled this nick < 1284326985 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have not read that either < 1284326999 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've read part of othello, but it was really stupid so i stopped < 1284327005 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact the current leading theory is that he's a mutated lifeform from a natural nuclear reactor in africa < 1284327021 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1284327023 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have read Hamlet. Non-modernised version. < 1284327023 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last thing i read was idiot last year < 1284327032 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before that, probably something like harry potter :D < 1284327051 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before it was cool < 1284327069 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes Hamlet is really bad IMO. Sure some famous quotes. But how irrational they act. It's like the let their feelings override their rationality! < 1284327074 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which always irritates me < 1284327096 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any work of fiction, as well as in real life < 1284327103 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok got imported to finland together with a large uranium shipment < 1284327132 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1284327138 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay that reference i do get. < 1284327162 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, what reference? < 1284327163 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: BECAUSE IT'S TRUE < 1284327169 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: err, Hamlet is excellent < 1284327209 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, oh certainly excellently written and so on. It is just that the stupidity of the characters actions annoys me. < 1284327232 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, with some rational thinking it could have been solved without everyone dying IMO < 1284327240 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a few dying that is < 1284327245 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, nobody has ever written fiction about the effects of emotions on people. < 1284327251 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, people don't think rationally. Get over it. < 1284327266 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vonlebio, that annoys me. That is what I'm trying to say! < 1284327291 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I know it annoys you, and it really shouldn't. < 1284327342 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should act more rationally, but that doesn't mean fiction about it should anger you < 1284327352 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If anything, it should make you happy, demonstrating what over-emotionality does. < 1284327354 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vonlebio, the world would be a better place if people thought before following their emotions. I'm not saying emotions are bad. Just that they should be moderated by rational thought < 1284327373 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hm good point < 1284327378 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal thinks he's a Vulcan. < 1284327384 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, no I don't < 1284327388 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's impossible for people to write about emotions. There's no way that someone could possibly describe how feelings affect thought, at all! It's physically impossible! < 1284327394 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, yes you do. Or rather you wish you were. < 1284327397 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it doesn't seem to have helped much sadly < 1284327402 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sarcasm) < 1284327413 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal is right, you others are stupid < 1284327416 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: if people didn't behave idiotic, there wouldn't be half as many tragedies. or comedies, i guess. < 1284327420 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, wishing you were a Vulcan isn't as bad as being under the delusion that you are one. < 1284327420 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Tennant/Stewart production of Hamlet was <3. < 1284327423 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has constructive opinions
< 1284327430 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The BBC-broadcast version, at least; I didn't see it.) < 1284327444 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before someone can think before they feel they have to understand what the feelings are coming from and what they actually mean. < 1284327452 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all fiction should be recordings of the linear motions of platonic solids < 1284327453 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vonlebio: Vulcans cleverly hide how stupidly irrational they are behind a monotone voice and an adamant insistence that they are unemotional. < 1284327480 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, indeed; I have come to this conclusion myself < 1284327486 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise, false assumptions would be made and people would constantly fall into deep depressions. < 1284327496 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vonlebio: So has everyone :P < 1284327500 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, true. Not sure that is a bad thing. I never liked comedy based on people acting stupidly. There are other forms of comedy after all, which are better IMO < 1284327518 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Vonlebio: So has everyone :P" <<< i haven't, i haven't watched star trek! < 1284327521 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think Vorpal may be a contender for "most boring person in the universe" < 1284327526 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whereever they're from < 1284327529 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: then you don't count as a person! < 1284327543 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1284327554 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT HAVING WATCHED RETARDED SHIT IS NOT A BAD THING < 1284327562 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT HAVING READ RETARDED SHIT IS NOT A BAD THING < 1284327569 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is it bad that fiction has emotions in it? < 1284327572 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just clarifying this < 1284327579 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, hm indeed < 1284327586 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Star Trek is fun, despite being rather rubbish < 1284327593 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wareya: takes time away from blowing things up < 1284327595 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: hm actually i agree on that comedy part, i myself have to leave the room when such shows are on. < 1284327597 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wareya: it's annoying to watch people being stupid. < 1284327602 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, agreed. Very varying quality though < 1284327609 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some are so bad it's bad < 1284327611 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more fun to watch them being really smart and unemotional < 1284327618 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some episodes that is < 1284327626 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, same < 1284327634 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love Voyager because I'm perfectly tuned to laugh at every second of it. < 1284327641 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Part of the art of authorship is balancing the emotion between being stale and perfect versus being so horribly irrational and pointless that it's stupid. < 1284327645 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's wonderful. < 1284327646 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fun to watch people be *insane*, but that's different < 1284327655 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: err, you do realise that half of Hamlet is people being insane? < 1284327663 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: there was a mezzacotta blog post about this, i recall < 1284327668 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, link? < 1284327671 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hamlet behaves insanely for... the entire play (despite being the only sane one...) < 1284327683 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure it's the kind of insane i'm looking for. < 1284327687 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, indeed. And that is what annoys me. < 1284327698 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're really stupid :) < 1284327698 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On an unrelated note, I did like MacBeth better. < 1284327708 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Macbeth < 1284327735 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, Romeo & Juliet also have the stupidity bit. Possibly even more so than Hamlet. Though it's a close thing which is worst. < 1284327748 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Romeo and Juliet is /about/ how stupid they are. < 1284327753 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1284327756 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, yes quite. < 1284327758 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, completely missing the point. < 1284327768 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a tragedy where their flaw is /being fucking morons/. < 1284327799 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I stopped watching it after Mercutio died. < 1284327810 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1284327827 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not his best play. By far. But he definitely doesn't like any of the characters. < 1284327839 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because he's about the only major character who isn't a raving idiot! < 1284327854 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is the point! < 1284327862 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And he's entertaining! < 1284327880 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vonlebio: The Friar is pretty sane. < 1284327889 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, no he isn't! < 1284327897 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's the one that tells Romeo "stop fucking whining, you just avoided the death penalty". < 1284327919 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He spends most of the play thinking up wacky and implausible schemes to get Romeo and Juliet together! < 1284327920 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as cpressey said. Macbeth is a bit better. Since there it is the bad guy who gets into problems really. < 1284327938 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah, because all plays must follow my rigidly desired Good Outcome. < 1284327940 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mainly liked the part about the forest < 1284327942 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vonlebio: He marries them because he thinks it will bring peace. < 1284327950 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, didn't say that. < 1284327956 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked Romeo and Juliet, too, though. < 1284327962 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://www.mezzacotta.net/?p=211 although it actually was just a small part of it < 1284327963 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, indeed, but then he starts acting like me with the Pope's hat! < 1284327966 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's his comedies I can't really bear. < 1284327982 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if I watched any of his comedies < 1284327991 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They all suck. < 1284328009 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Romeo + Juliet", btw, is the most abhorrent thing ever committed to film. < 1284328032 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: The modernised version? < 1284328044 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wanted to see the Zefirelli version but his effing English teacher insisted on showing Luhrmann's one.
< 1284328049 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, which bit? < 1284328053 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The stupid "it's about TRUE LOVE" misunderstanding of the plot + LET'S BE MODERN, LET'S HAVE GUNS AND CARS DESPITE USING THE ORIGINAL DIALOGUE + just... terribleness + Leonardo DiCaprio, WHY? < 1284328055 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ ... < 1284328056 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there are films based on shakespeare's work?) < 1284328062 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes, that one. oh yes. < 1284328066 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, "Romeo + Juliet" is Luhrmann's. < 1284328070 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: second paragraph, last sentence < 1284328085 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: fifty bajillion :P < 1284328088 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ah right < 1284328116 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well and a bit further < 1284328117 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if the BBC-aired production of RSC/Tennant/Stewart's Hamlet counts as a film. < 1284328122 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1284328126 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it does. < 1284328133 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I haven't seen it. < 1284328135 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's three and a half fucking hours long. < 1284328139 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(No intermission!) < 1284328142 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't make it a film. < 1284328142 0 :derdon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1284328143 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, newly produced TV today is mostly shit :/ < 1284328148 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vonlebio: It also has sets. < 1284328152 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's not just a recording of a performance.) < 1284328158 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, then it's a film. < 1284328170 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, uh, one gun. But just one! < 1284328182 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And the play makes no reference to a gun in dialogue there, so it isn't horribly awkward.) < 1284328200 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, 3.5 hours? That's nothing. *looks for imdb entry* < 1284328213 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm imdb doesn't have length? < 1284328217 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes once Vorpal sat through the entire Ring cycle with no interrupts < 1284328217 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does. < 1284328220 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think. < 1284328221 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*tions. < 1284328228 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cleopatra is like 45739545 hours in the uncut version < 1284328236 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, can't find it for the one I'm looking for < 1284328242 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, Wagner? < 1284328262 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, who did? You claim me did? < 1284328266 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *HATE* Wagner < 1284328271 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ONCE I WATCHED ALL THE STAR TREK PRODUCTIONS EVER IN A ROW < 1284328274 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/me/I/ < 1284328284 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, that would be quite... impressive < 1284328290 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 3.5 hours is nothing < 1284328300 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" oerjan, newly produced TV today is mostly shit :/" <<< newly produced fiction is good usually, that i watch regularly < 1284328301 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ONCE I READ THE ENTIRE "LORD OF THE RINGS" TRILOGY BACK-TO-BACK < 1284328313 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: UNDERWATER < 1284328322 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well american series < 1284328325 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ONCE I READ THE LORD OF THE RINGS AND THE SILMARILLION BACK TO BACK < 1284328341 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ONCE I READ THE ENTIRE "WHEEL OF TIME" N-OGY < 1284328343 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no timespan) < 1284328347 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, it is only 3.4 hours? < 1284328348 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1284328354 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was more < 1284328432 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ONCE I READ THE ENTIRE THE CHRONICLES OF AMBER BACK TO BACK < 1284328442 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wareya, amber? < 1284328445 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1284328447 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ONCE I LISTENED TO "DISCREET MUSIC" FIVE BILLION TIMES < 1284328449 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one season of a tv series is usually at least 15 hours, that's not exactly hard to do in one go < 1284328462 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wareya, not as in the material I presume? < 1284328469 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chronicles_of_Amber < 1284328469 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the material < 1284328472 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gee, I can Google. < 1284328474 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must be amazing. < 1284328504 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, impressive. I'll hire you to do it for me. The pay is 1£ / 1000000 years. Paid at end of period. < 1284328509 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess it's just because american tv series are a fuckload better than hamlet movies < 1284328518 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's funny because it's true < 1284328524 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That was so witty I can barely contain myself. < 1284328529 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's less than the minimum wage in the UK < 1284328538 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, obviously < 1284328553 0 :Flonk!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1284328571 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1284328574 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I accept. < 1284328575 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: especially if you consider inflation < 1284328579 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm taking you to court. < 1284328583 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wareya, "The main series consists of two story arcs, each five novels in length. Additionally, there are a number of Amber short stories and other works." <-- doesn't seem too bad. Unless those novels are excessively thick? < 1284328588 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe I will get a raise. < 1284328594 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, Tolkin thickness < 1284328597 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They aren't particularly short. < 1284328607 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're longer than the hobbit < 1284328620 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ONCE READ THE WHOLE DISCWORLD SERIES < 1284328621 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ONCE I READ THE ENCYCLOPEDIA ARTICLE ON THE MATERIAL AMBER ONCE < 1284328626 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ten novels in one go is impressive... < 1284328634 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vonlebio, I done that several times. < 1284328636 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :re-read books < 1284328637 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CONSECUTIVELY < 1284328638 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ONCE READ EVERYTHING < 1284328646 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, 30 books or such < 1284328648 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ONE READ < 1284328650 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not too bad < 1284328669 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ONCE I READ A POEM < 1284328673 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a WHOLE POEM < 1284328677 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speculative fiction is pretty great, too bad the label got misused and changed < 1284328681 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I one read Crime and Punishment with a 1-page interleaving of War & Peace. < 1284328684 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1284328684 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :genre label < 1284328772 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once i read an anus < 1284328779 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's cool < 1284328860 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here ever read a book in a language they didn't know < 1284328873 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do language books count?? < 1284328874 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-? < 1284328875 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I once read a book written in oklofok < 1284328880 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i haven't) < 1284328884 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked at a French dictionary once. < 1284328896 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wareya: no, smart ass < 1284328902 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3 < 1284328939 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vonlebio was just as smart, just slower :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD < 1284328944 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not funny in any way < 1284328953 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<- what a fuckface this guy < 1284328966 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once read fizzie's beard -- it was a laser beard < 1284328983 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a fuckface that guy -> < 1284329029 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too bad I don't have a userlist < 1284329099 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time to do homework, I guess < 1284329104 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3-5 minute presentation < 1284329110 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That I didn't even touch yet < 1284329113 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a dash of Perl < 1284329158 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: who guy?? < 1284329160 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :idgy < 1284329181 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh use the userlist < 1284329182 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, v < 1284329189 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha everyone fuckface :DDD < 1284329213 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*idgi < 1284329223 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you mean you have to do a 3-5 minute presentation? < 1284329234 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, no, write one. < 1284329240 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1284329245 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not actually going to be presenting < 1284329248 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an online course < 1284329264 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay then it's some work < 1284329266 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you're not even going to be present < 1284329266 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to do a supposed 18 hours of chemistry work by tomorrow morning < 1284329269 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(4 4 4 4 4 4) < 1284329286 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, I can switch out to another class. < 1284329303 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to do a negative amount of work on every course if i wanna catch up with everyone else :( < 1284329322 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION jealousies of oklofok
< 1284329337 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Perl stuff should be easy < 1284329366 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Regarding Shakespeare, this nick is an anagram of Benvolio! < 1284329373 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: well, there's more than one way to do it < 1284329395 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbh i've mostly just read japanese < 1284329557 0 :yiyus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1284329634 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: Even in the Japanese class? < 1284329680 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no, never read a book in a language I don't know. Language I'm not fluent in, sure, but not a language I don't know. < 1284329756 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read Dante's Inferno. I don't know Italian. < 1284329762 0 :relet!~hirtho@128.Red-88-6-92.staticIP.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1284329765 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't read it *in* Italian... < 1284329784 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1284329834 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I once read fizzie's beard -- it was a laser beard <-- wasn't it nooga's beard? < 1284329879 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all beards look the same to me < 1284329922 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, So does that mean all beards look like RMS? And does that mean RMS's beard looks well kept, or all other beards look like a mess? < 1284329928 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@78.104.81.189 JOIN :#esoteric < 1284329960 0 :yiyus!~124271242@67.202.106.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1284329968 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" oklofok: Even in the Japanese class?" <<< you mean if i have a negative amount to do in jap? < 1284329990 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, either that or if you read Japanese in that class < 1284329999 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are the two plausible interpretations I think < 1284330024 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well let's see, we've learned 30 hiragana and some greetings, i know all hiragana, all katakana, some 20 kanji, about 150 words, numbers, months, days of month < 1284330048 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :150 was a completely random guess, but from word lists, i think i've learned about that many < 1284330137 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mostly i've been reading grammar, that's why the numbers are ridiculously small) < 1284330188 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how messed up is japanese grammar? < 1284330190 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION points at today's http://www.mezzacotta.net/garfield/
< 1284330196 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty beautiful < 1284330199 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → sleep
< 1284330204 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least the parts i know < 1284330225 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(noun particle)^* verb < 1284330240 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(disclaimer: i know a bit more than that :P) < 1284330264 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for you japanese fans) < 1284330350 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"gaahiirudo" < 1284330365 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess the small i signifies the h is an f < 1284330394 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: What? What? No. < 1284330410 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1284330416 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops < 1284330430 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain: Japanese grammar is actually really simple. < 1284330439 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cliff thingie is "fu" in romaji, is it used for f? < 1284330444 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :h and f are allophones in japanese, or something like that? < 1284330453 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know next to nothing about pronunciation < 1284330457 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1284330470 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The mora "hu" is pronounced with an "f". < 1284330491 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: A small vowel following a "hu" denotes that that vowel should be used instead. < 1284330493 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can only have f in front of u in japanese? < 1284330498 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1284330507 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: In native words, yes. < 1284330530 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to our teacher, "hu" is only "fu" because it sounds that way to americans < 1284330534 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but should be "h" < 1284330562 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: It's a distinct phoneme from both. < 1284330567 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1284330582 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit more of an "f" than an "h", though. < 1284330595 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1284330599 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, another thing < 1284330602 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "d"'s < 1284330608 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they different before different vowels? < 1284330621 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for ぢ and づ, no. < 1284330623 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they seem to be "th", but some closer to "d" than others < 1284330657 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ぢ and づ are more commonly pronounced as "ji" and "zu") < 1284330673 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1284330677 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i'm talking about da de do < 1284330684 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same phonemes. < 1284330703 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1284330744 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, i thought maybe do was a bit closer to "th" than de (on the d to th scale) < 1284330825 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry. Japanese lacks dental fricatives. < 1284330845 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the fricative, the sound in "the" < 1284330855 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1284330865 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know these terms, let me look them up. < 1284330888 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not "think", but "the" < 1284330899 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :approximant? < 1284330902 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are both dental fricatives. < 1284330909 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1284330921 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Japanese lacks them. < 1284330922 0 :augur!~augur@static-70-108-247-66.res.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1284330923 0 :tombom_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1284330926 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in do and de, the consonant is definitely closer to "the" than it is to "do" < 1284330939 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where did you hear this? < 1284330943 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in japanese specch < 1284330945 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*speech < 1284330951 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From where? < 1284330952 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe our teacher has a speech impediment < 1284330953 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1284330967 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's certainly not actual Japanese pronounciation. < 1284330991 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wanna link the really boring video again? < 1284330992 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1284331005 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTRLVB8UHt4&feature=fvw Here, just have what I was just looking at instead. < 1284331011 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1284331046 0 :yiyus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1284331064 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1000 and 0, by Sakanaction)（セントレイ、サカナクション） < 1284331069 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: maybe it's a dental/alveolar thing rather than plosive/fricative? < 1284331078 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Possible. < 1284331133 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the d's i heard in that are definitely at least in the middle of english th and d, if not closer to th. < 1284331142 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i have a hearing impediment < 1284331156 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1284331158 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: So what would be more acceptable terminology than "re-entrant parser" for what I mean? < 1284331164 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: Maybe I've just stopped registering the phonemes as odd. :P < 1284331168 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Umm... resumable parser? < 1284331170 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Continuable parser? < 1284331171 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interruptable? < 1284331173 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Partial parser? < 1284331175 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, not that. < 1284331181 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't interrupt it; it just isn't given enough. < 1284331193 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone know if there's a "standard" terminology for this? < 1284331204 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: or what oerjan said < 1284331216 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1284331255 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be the tongue is in the "d" spot (alveolar?), and you just jap it up (fricative instead of plosive? meh i'm just saying random things because i don't know how they sound) < 1284331298 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i think i've seen incremental < 1284331324 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well anyway, have to go, keep the fun going! -> < 1284331350 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "resumable parser" is also rather understandable one, even if it happens to be non-standardish. < 1284331369 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"incremental parser" has about 4000 google hits; "resumable" has about 100 < 1284331392 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY DOES NOBODY SELL 16:10 MONITORS ANY MORE < 1284331393 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Discuss. < 1284331396 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Incremental parser sounds good. < 1284331413 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Is this for Pixley? < 1284331440 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incremental it is. thanks oerjan! < 1284331444 0 :Jonty!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1284331464 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Not per se. S-expressions just seemed like a simple thing to parse in this fashion. < 1284331473 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in practice, could be, could be. < 1284331480 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: it _may_ indicate something stronger though, where you don't just add more text but can even reparse after internal edits (more effeciently than reparsing _everything_) < 1284331483 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do see some 1920x1200 monitors still available, but they're being CONSUMED by the 16:9 ones. < 1284331497 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: like incremental compilation, hm. < 1284331498 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*efficiently < 1284331592 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: also i think the newfangled iteratee/enumerator concept for haskell (by oleg) is intended to support this < 1284331623 0 :Jonty!~jadh@cpc2-sgyl11-0-0-cust453.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1284331625 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you i only mention that, my understanding is most haskellers still don't really understand that :D < 1284331654 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incremental does seem to more have that meaning of "only reparse what has changed" -- i'm going back to "resumable" < 1284331686 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it your parser does? you can run out of input, stop, and continue parsing after more input? < 1284331700 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yes. < 1284331715 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like if someone were sending you sexps on a socket, or something. < 1284331726 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you wanted to parse them as they came in < 1284331742 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know there are xml parsers that do this, so it's not really anything too special < 1284331779 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have continuations, you can just have the ask-for-input function suspend computation until there's more input :) < 1284331786 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the parser would just be a plain parser < 1284331788 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/support this/support adding new input incrementally/, it doesn't have anything to do with the internal editing stuff afaik < 1284331930 0 :Jonty!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1284331996 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1284332108 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: in fact it seems that the iteratee people use "incremental" in the sense you want, while some other researchers use the stronger edit meaning < 1284332126 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is my impression < 1284332141 0 :yiyus!~124271242@67.202.106.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1284332157 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1284332275 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1284332276 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XChat < 1284332292 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1284332304 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so hard to get XChat to use the same font sizes as everyone else < 1284332329 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, oh? 9pt works just fine here < 1284332341 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :including oleg, http://okmij.org/ftp/Streams.html < 1284332358 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, it's more dpi fuckery < 1284332362 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ah < 1284332364 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hm? < 1284332366 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric < 1284332369 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to match it up < 1284332374 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard since XChat seems to do its own text-rendering thing < 1284332383 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there < 1284332386 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ... almost it < 1284332388 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10.45pt < 1284332390 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it uses cairo afaik? < 1284332393 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i'm still talking about incremental parsing < 1284332398 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: clearly it doesn't use gtk < 1284332404 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/something's/ different < 1284332405 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, or maybe pango < 1284332409 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :letter spacing and stuff < 1284332412 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, cairo or pango or whatever < 1284332413 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: er, cairo and pango are usually used together < 1284332420 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, okay. I'm no expert < 1284332425 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on that < 1284332458 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, but yeah I don't think it uses some gtk widget for the channel display < 1284332466 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it does its own selection stuff too < 1284332471 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...the channel display is pretty shit, really < 1284332477 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, rather it creates an empty box and then uses cairo or whatever to draw in it < 1284332482 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1284332486 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wish it just used WebKit or something < 1284332490 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like Empathy < 1284332502 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, not sure I agree.. Also why mix in HTML where it isn't needed... < 1284332509 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that is what you mean < 1284332518 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a syntax for rendering shit like that < 1284332524 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it allows easy customisation of the display < 1284332526 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with CSS < 1284332536 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cairo's text-rendering is pretty low-level, but I wouldn't put it past XChat to use it directly instead of Pango, which is what GTK's own widgets presumably use. < 1284332537 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, what about the separator thingy, that would require javascript then < 1284332542 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: err, no < 1284332549 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, oh? < 1284332556 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could probably do it with floats; or even just a table < 1284332562 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it jumps out on long nicks and you can drag it < 1284332562 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a table would definitely work < 1284332567 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jumping out is easy < 1284332570 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you can set a max width for it < 1284332572 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you just specify min-width and max-width < 1284332573 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the css < 1284332576 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1284332577 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it can't jump out past a certain column < 1284332578 0 :alise!~alise@91.104.247.83 JOIN :#esoteric < 1284332581 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it will automatically resize < 1284332582 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1284332588 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dragging it would require some js, yes. < 1284332590 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not much at all < 1284332610 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it would be slower than the current approach. I notice a huge speedup with js turned off in konq on my desktop < 1284332614 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :old cpu yes < 1284332625 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not everyone can afford the newest everywhere < 1284332636 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :webkit has a much better js engine. < 1284332645 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes compared to firefox, definitely < 1284332647 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still < 1284332652 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and compared to konqueror < 1284332657 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1284332663 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember, they took konqueror, threw out large parts of KHTML because they were shit, threw out KJS because it's shit < 1284332665 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and rewrote them < 1284332669 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iterate over many years of refinement < 1284332669 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought new konq used webkit? < 1284332671 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? < 1284332672 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tada, WebKit < 1284332673 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: not yet < 1284332678 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in latest KDE 4 release at least < 1284332682 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it /can/ if you set it up < 1284332691 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1284332716 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, besides the default text rendering in xchat looks nice IMO. < 1284332739 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, also what do you mean own highlighting? < 1284332747 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just fired up xchat, can't notice that < 1284332748 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean < 1284332750 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's almost like the regular text rendering across the system, except the ways in which it does differ are all mistakes < 1284332754 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I selected text, behaves as normal < 1284332755 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to less polished code < 1284332759 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, it doesn't < 1284332761 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a gtk selection < 1284332764 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has its own colour < 1284332766 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and try right clicking on it < 1284332768 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the same < 1284332776 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they've coded their own selection logic < 1284332777 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, they are same colour here? < 1284332778 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? who knows! < 1284332781 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: coincidence. < 1284332785 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ah < 1284332785 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try changing gtk theme < 1284332798 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and yes it uses a custom right click menu < 1284332798 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XChat's text-selection color is configurable in the prefs. < 1284332799 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what? < 1284332800 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: this stuff is important to haskell because haskell requires you to make parsing incremental if you want to have the parser be pure code but still allow interleaving impure actions with parsing < 1284332825 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Yes. this is C. I don't have continuations. Implementing it looks an awful lot like implementing continuations. < 1284332859 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's that very old mostly-macro-driven "coroutines in C" thing. < 1284332870 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, setjmp/longjmp? < 1284332879 0 :afaulds!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: http://ajf.me/stuff/beep.exe - World's most advance beep app < 1284332904 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, if you don't have to deal with other IO than that for which you are waiting, it might be an option < 1284332907 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: you could always just return a value saying "keep returning" < 1284332910 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to just call "get more data" < 1284332912 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus manually implementing setjmp/longjmp < 1284332916 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the parser < 1284332922 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: my head *cannot* handle oleg right now. i think i need to take a walk < 1284332933 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, what about co-routines < 1284332935 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would that help? < 1284332938 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/coroutines.html if you've never seen it. < 1284332945 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, beat you to it :P < 1284332960 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ponders the Paranoia idea that's been bubbling in my head since 2007 or so
< 1284332963 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: there are more proper coroutine implementations :P < 1284332967 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: How so? I said "coroutines in C" way up there. < 1284332973 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh? missed that < 1284332993 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: there are more proper coroutine implementations :P <-- in C? < 1284333021 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1284333025 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1284333028 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, got any example? < 1284333032 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :getcontext/setcontext type things < 1284333042 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sec i'll dig one up < 1284333047 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, um, POSIX only, deprecated feature < 1284333050 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dekorte.com/projects/opensource/libcoroutine/ < 1284333055 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those two functions I mean < 1284333058 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A simple stackfull coroutine implementation, largely based on ucontext and fibers on platforms that support those APIs and with setjmp/longjmp implementations on several others." < 1284333062 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no C magic plz. < 1284333074 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, it isn't. It is just macros! < 1284333081 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not magic < 1284333184 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, nothing that ties this to C. < 1284333197 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: It's also very tiny, and you can do the same thing sort-of manually if you don't want to call magical macros. Though the switch-casery is more than a bit ugly-looking. < 1284333197 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pascal doesn't have setjmp/longjmp, afaik. < 1284333202 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, .... what? < 1284333202 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :magic is when you run the code through the preprocessor, then run a textual replacement on the resulting output < 1284333207 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: never mind < 1284333208 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, are you going to port it to pascal? < 1284333211 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is what C-INTERCAL does to input C files < 1284333215 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really like how lazy evaluation makes the decompressor/parser example (from fizzie's link) something that you just write without needing to think about it < 1284333221 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You totally do not get why I'm doing this. < 1284333221 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, time to go home < 1284333227 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: The "coroutines in C" does not involve any setjmp/longjmp or anything. < 1284333227 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, remember to only use stuff that works in brainfuck too then! < 1284333238 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lambda calculus < 1284333246 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1284333252 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1284333256 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What alise quoted suggests that it does on some platforms. < 1284333270 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, that was a different implementation < 1284333278 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: That was libcoroutine, the "more proper" one. < 1284333280 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1284333282 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, the one fizzie and I talked about just involves switch iirc < 1284333304 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :masked with a few easy macros < 1284333322 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably 80% similar to what i'm already doing, minus the macros < 1284333331 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, I doubt it < 1284333343 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you doubt that? < 1284333353 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's basically a switch() around the whole code, case labels after each "return", and some static state to resume where it left off. < 1284333364 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, on the same basis that your is 80% similar without reading it. :P < 1284333366 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm solving what is effectively the same problem < 1284333391 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a big switch. i have some state that tracks how to resume. < 1284333397 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay then < 1284333420 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds like you no longer actually have a problem, either. < 1284333436 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, it uses macros that uses __LINE__ to automatically number the case statements iirc < 1284333440 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I ever have a problem? < 1284333502 0 :contingo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: contingo < 1284333543 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Ah, I thought the "it" in your "Implementing it looks an awful lot like implementing continuations" referred to your parser itself, which sounded like something very overcomplicated. < 1284333574 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Terrible knives! < 1284333576 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric < 1284333578 0 :contingo!~contingo@swong.plus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1284333578 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmph < 1284333584 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it" does refer to that. I'm sorry if the rest of the statement looks like a complaint or something; it surely wasn't. < 1284333596 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night → < 1284333656 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is it rendering differently... < 1284333675 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I now realized I've already made two different implementations of coroutines in C without even realizing it < 1284333736 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... and one of them was a parser that occasionally needs to return control and wait for more data < 1284333751 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Enhanced CWEB you can use the @4 command to make a number that is automatically incremented in sequence each time that chunk is used < 1284334917 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1284335339 0 :Wamanuz2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1284335408 0 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1284335782 0 :alise!~alise@91.104.246.49 JOIN :#esoteric