00:02:42 -!- yiyus has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 00:02:46 olsner: see, i've never done that, so i decided it was time to play catch up :) 00:02:57 also, alise's sexp-in-awk-parser is similar 00:03:03 (i think) 00:04:23 -!- yiyus has joined. 00:08:50 -!- madbrain has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 00:28:08 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:29:40 -!- relet has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 00:43:58 well it... almost works 00:45:20 that's... almost good? 00:46:00 almost yay 00:47:55 cpressey: how is it similar? 00:48:49 alise: you keep trampolining back the to // 00:48:54 *back to the 00:49:01 ah 01:01:19 d'oh 01:04:25 works now 01:05:34 heh, battle programmer shirase doesn't accept money, but will work for vintage scsi cards 01:17:17 -!- Quadrescence has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 01:23:24 i thought that rung a bell; iirc fizzie linked to this a while back: battle programmer shirase 01:23:25 er 01:23:27 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WxJECOFg8w 01:23:29 stupid clipboard 01:29:46 #esoteric 01:29:46 grr 01:29:51 why is this rendering so messed up 01:37:00 -!- Mathnerd314 has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 01:38:15 http://pastie.org/1154814 01:38:40 now you can criticize, mock, double compile, etc 01:39:48 wow it uses monaco 01:39:53 disorienting 01:40:09 cpressey: it's the most boring, conservative implementation of lisp i have ever seen. 01:40:28 congrats :P 01:41:47 \o/ 01:41:48 | 01:41:48 >\ 01:41:52 cpressey: Hmm, you have a state machine parser. Nice. 01:42:03 cpressey: It's like a recursive descent parser minus the recursion. 01:42:07 that was the objective of the exercise 01:42:27 if (*(state->ptr) == (char)0) { 01:42:31 if (!*(state->ptr)) 01:42:58 boo 01:43:11 what? 01:43:11 builds on amiga, too 01:43:18 my line is clearly superior 01:43:24 oh, clearly 01:43:27 your is Javaesque in its senseless, readability-impairing verbosity 01:43:32 *yours 01:43:50 NUL is an implementation detail; you're really asking "is there no character?". 01:44:16 ... NUL is seriously exposed in C. 01:45:41 of course 01:45:46 but your conditional does not express your intent as clearly as mine 01:45:54 i like to only use ! on things that are actually boolean. 01:46:09 i think mine expresses my intent painfully explicitly 01:46:26 IF THIS IS A NUL, THEN.. 01:46:45 '\0' is also ok 01:49:34 of course, yours is correct in a very literal, assembly sense 01:49:39 but K&R would not approve. 01:51:32 agreed. they would not. 01:51:48 anyway... i might write some kind of evaluator on this, now 01:52:06 i sort of wish C had classes now 01:52:09 because I'm writing a better parser 01:52:13 and I instinctively passed a parser argument, right 01:52:14 and wrote 01:52:16 p->next(); 01:52:21 but then i realised that, with standard C, 01:52:29 I couldn't assign a meaningful function pointer there for e.g. an arbitrary string 01:52:32 because you can't do closures 01:52:38 i totally wished C had superstructures when I wrote this, because of all the casting 01:53:02 but i don't want to just use a string pointer 01:53:03 because... stdin 01:53:43 alright 01:56:32 alise: God, if C just had closures. 01:58:50 cpressey: eh i'm too lazy to 01:58:58 why have you made it resumable, anyway? 01:59:14 alise: because i never did one like that before 01:59:16 so he can put it on his resume, silly 01:59:33 oh yes, that's the sort of thing prospective employers want to hear 01:59:43 "so, how many ways have you written parsers?" 02:00:17 quite frankly, i'm not sure why I do ANYTHING I do 02:00:54 wh... 02:00:57 because it was fun! 02:01:41 and doing it in C is mainly because of my Amiga proclivities 02:02:06 and, i figure, if it can build there, it can build anywhere. 02:02:38 pikhq: first it's closures, next it's garbage collection, then the next thing you know, you aren't C anymore 02:03:20 pikhq: I humbly suggest we all just use OCaml. 02:03:28 Yes, it's shit, but are you really going to use that as an objection to a C replacement? 02:05:54 You know, 25-35 years ago, academia was devising new languages left and right, and so few of them have survived. 02:05:56 cpressey: libgc already. 02:06:32 libgc is meh! 02:06:36 so conservative. 02:06:40 cpressey: i imagine many gems have been lost. 02:07:07 pikhq: only to help find the leaks! 02:07:48 alise: Yeah, but it's a significant improvement over malloc in many use cases. 02:08:03 Of course, when you can *convince* people of that, you can probably convince them to just drop the C. :P 02:08:06 and [other language] is a significant improvement over C :) 02:08:09 heh 02:08:25 "We use C because we need it to be FAAASST" 02:08:28 remember when Vorpal was rabidly arguing for memory memory management which is EASY to do properly, over SLOW SLOW gc? 02:08:39 (he's retarded in new, excitingly different ways now!) 02:08:42 "... But you spend more time writing it in C than you do using it" 02:08:58 alise: strangely, i don't. well, ... 1) units of measurement <-> type system. 2) automatic construction of GUIs from data types. 3) self-modifying grammars. I've seen old papers on all of these. And those languages were forgotten. but the ideas keep coming up 02:10:10 now we have 1) Frink (but it sucks) 2) ...? probably some jQuery plugin somewhere. 3) Zz, Plof, etc. 02:10:33 Frink does not suck :< 02:10:39 he's even making it more CASy 02:10:46 Not compared to Wolfram Alpha, I suppose 02:11:01 2) is... what was it called 02:11:05 Haven't played with it in a while 02:11:15 TV 02:11:30 http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/TV 02:11:47 http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Tangible_Value ;; more permalinky 02:11:49 How can I, in TeX, like \ignorespaces but instead keep track of if there is a space there or not? 02:12:49 alise: That's certainly interesting... I wonder how much it can/must infer 02:13:31 cpressey: then there's the ultra-fun, way-out-there http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Eros 02:13:32 based on TV 02:13:49 For other variants of C includes C++ and Objective-C and D, because of the different opinion of different people. 02:13:57 cpressey: this is Conal Elliott's stuff 02:14:01 (couldn't you guess? :)) 02:14:10 totally a hero of mine 02:14:12 Unfortunately C++ is not completely compatible with C (for many reasons), even though it might seem at first. 02:14:14 alise: Ooh. 02:14:27 No, couldn't guess. [I refer you to the rock.] 02:14:38 yeah haskellers are totally famous 02:14:52 his blog is fun http://conal.net/blog/ 02:14:55 But it proves I'm not jaundiced on everything, because I'm actually quite interested in this 02:15:02 My English homework's easier than my comp. homework 02:15:05 This is alarming 02:15:05 i like http://arcanesentiment.blogspot.com/ as my language-blog 02:15:10 it's like lambda the ultimate but more interesting 02:16:07 what disturbs me is that I can't *tell* what I'll find actually-interesting and what will bore me. there is a pattern but I can't expres or predict it 02:16:09 "Topless data" ;; totally didn't need that mental image 02:16:13 Clothes are illogical! 02:16:25 *express 02:16:29 But they keep me warm :( 02:16:30 cpressey: perhaps typo corrections interest you 02:16:53 Slereah: "I am an android; as such, I do not require fibrous garments to keep my internal systems at their optimum temperature." 02:17:37 alise: not as such, no 02:17:50 Maybe I should switch my loyalty to Icon 02:18:05 Sgeo: What. Are. You. Talking. About. Questionmark. 02:18:17 I'm reading the thing alise linked 02:18:25 Icon is an... interesting one. 02:18:33 But I think Griswold realized it doesn't scale. 02:18:43 (scale in some... conceptual sense) 02:19:20 icon's model is fun 02:19:28 * oerjan read that as (scala in some... conceptual sense) 02:19:39 y < (x | 5) is cool too 02:19:43 perl 6 has that 02:19:57 i forget what they're calling them; the perl 5 implementation is Quantum::Superpositions 02:20:06 Icon is like a non-gross Perl in a lot of ways 02:20:07 -!- Patashu has joined. 02:20:10 xD 02:20:23 -!- Patashu has quit (Client Quit). 02:20:55 I can imagine doing that in Haskell and it being this clunky monster but you could do it right and look I have this nifty type for it! 02:21:23 nifty 150 character type 02:21:52 you couldn't really do that in haksell 02:21:53 *haskell 02:22:25 http://arcanesentiment.blogspot.com/2010/08/from-python-to-c.html 02:22:43 alise: not with a syntax anything like that, no 02:22:57 you're basically writing an interpreter for your miniiconexplang 02:23:35 Sgeo: what? 02:23:47 -!- benuphoenix has quit (Quit: leaving). 02:25:13 "Manual memory management is hard. If it accounts for half of your bugs, that's normal." 02:25:30 I'd say that's an underestimate for C. 02:25:34 *underestimation 02:25:39 Probably about right for C++. 02:25:44 (There you have new/delete.) 02:26:10 Oh and clever pointers. 02:26:15 Oh, I mean smart pointers. 02:26:18 (No I don't.) 02:26:49 pointers with Ph.D.s 02:26:54 C++ "in the large" is particularly fun because everyone uses a different kind of smart pointer. 02:27:04 *Ph.Ds.? 02:27:16 Obnoxious pretentious pointers? 02:27:29 "No, this is NOT your data. Pfft." 02:29:20 Is Delphi a good language? 02:30:03 not really 02:30:07 Sgeo: Delphi is basically Pascal with goodies. 02:30:08 Pascal is nice in its insane "purity" 02:30:24 the Delphi developers thought "oh, that sounds like a nice thing to give OOP" 02:30:31 I like Pascal as a pedogogical language. 02:30:33 and then went totally insane, turning it into C++ without braces 02:30:42 cpressey: I bet the original Macintosh's Pascal code was nice. 02:30:53 alise: I get the impression it was, yes. 02:30:53 C++:C::Delphi:Pascal? 02:31:11 Sgeo: C++:SomethingEvenSimplerThanC::Delphi::Pascal 02:31:16 They literally turned Pascal into C++. 02:32:07 cpressey: What editor do you use? 02:32:20 * Sgeo wonders if Clojure might be a Lisp with (almost) everything he sees in Pascal 02:32:26 erm, in Factor 02:33:37 alise: You will mock me if I tell you. 02:33:46 cpressey: I really won't. 02:33:56 Is there anyone here who hasn't been mocked by alise? 02:33:56 because it's not emacs and it's not vim and it has an actual gui. 02:33:57 Just seven years ago I was bashing out PHP in Notepad. 02:34:07 Awful PHP at that. 02:34:11 well it's not notepad, thank the gods 02:34:20 cpressey: Hell, I don't even like Emacs or vim. 02:34:28 it's SciTE and the main reason I use it is consistency between *nix and Windows. 02:34:31 I use the former simply because I gave up. 02:34:40 SciTE is alright 02:35:04 I was going to write an editor using Scintilla at one point (same author as SciTE; the editing component backend). 02:35:15 It's a bit weird though, can't place my finger on it. Something odd about it. 02:35:27 cpressey: now amend, there's a good editor. 02:35:28 surprised. i guess i'm too used to getting the seeing the hidden disappointment when I tell people I don't use emacs 02:35:36 s/getting the/ 02:35:50 s/getting the // 02:35:52 Emacs can get stuff done, but the UI is so terrible that I wouldn't blame anyone who didn't use it. 02:36:02 It's a big dog but it can do pretty much anything I want with a big gob of elisp, so. 02:36:09 Emacs does not know "user-friendly". 02:36:11 Editing Haskell in anything else is... painful. 02:36:16 Lisp too. 02:36:33 User-antagonistic. Works just fine if you're willing to fight back. 02:36:36 yeah when I open Emacs I pretty much resign myself to leaving my platform behind and dabbling in its land 02:36:36 Emacs has TECO as an ancestor. I don't know if there's anything I can add to that. 02:36:41 cpressey: not really 02:36:45 Emacs was first implemented on top of TECO 02:36:46 Is it not? 02:36:48 but it was nothing like modern Emacs 02:36:50 Well, that's what I meant. 02:36:52 and it's implemented-on, more than extension-of 02:37:00 then it was pretty much thrown out and replaced 02:37:02 Still carries the miasma. 02:37:06 I need food 02:37:11 * coppro goes to cafeteria 02:37:12 cpressey: I've used TECO. 02:37:15 It's acceptable. 02:37:22 TECO lives on more in *ed* than in Emacs. 02:37:27 TECO's better than ed. IMO. 02:37:33 It's much more flexible :-) 02:37:38 Well, yes. 02:37:48 pressing escape is inconvenient on most keyboards though 02:37:52 if you remapped capslock to it it'd be cool 02:38:14 I used to use nedit, which was actually alright, except for the *tif dependency. 02:38:26 teco is quite simple really 02:38:35 -5DIGoodbye$0TT$$ 02:38:37 where $ = escape 02:38:42 -5D <- delete 5 chars back, just like vi 02:38:48 I...$ <- insert this 02:38:58 0TT <- "print line 0 lines away from this one" 02:39:06 $$ <- "do all this and print out the results" 02:39:23 I like TECO as a historical artifact. I've tried to get into Emacs several times, many many times, and never made it fully in. 02:39:40 If I were to use TECO at work... 02:39:42 besides, TECO has a short brainfuck interpreter 02:39:43 @^UB#@S/{^EQQ,/#@^UC#@S/,^EQQ}/@-1S/{/#@^UR#.U1ZJQZ\^SC.,.+-^SXQ-^SDQ1J#@^U9/[]-+<>.,/<@:-FD/^N^EG9/;>J30000<0@I/ 02:39:43 />ZJZUL30000J0U10U20U30U60U7@^U4/[]/@^U5#<@:S/^EG4/U7Q7;-AU3(Q3-91)"=%1|Q1"=.U6ZJ@i/{/Q2\@i/,/Q6\@i/}/Q6J0;'-1%1' 02:39:43 >#<@:S/[/UT.U210^T13^TQT;QT"NM5Q2J'>0UP30000J.US.UI<(0A-43)"=QPJ0AUTDQT+1@I//QIJ@O/end/'(0A-45)"=QPJ0AUTDQT-1@I// 02:39:44 QIJ@O/end/'(0A-60)"=QP-1UP@O/end/'(0A-62)"=QP+1UP@O/end/'(0A-46)"=-.+QPA^T(-.+QPA-10)"=13^T'@O/end/'(0A-44)"=^TUT 02:39:47 Any opinions on Notepad++? 02:39:47 8^TQPJDQT@I//QIJ@O/end/'(0A-91)"=-.+QPA"=QI+1UZQLJMRMB\-1J.UI'@O/end/'(0A-93)"=-.+QPA"NQI+1UZQLJMRMC\-1J.UI'@O/en 02:39:50 d/'!end!QI+1UI(.-Z)"=.=@^a/END/^c^c'C> 02:39:56 Sgeo: it's very solidly meh 02:40:00 I was always a Notepad2 guy myself 02:40:06 cpressey: Emacs has a very, very steep curve from "know nothing" to "usable in spite of ignorance". 02:40:09 Sgeo: At a place I used to work everyone LOVED Notepad++. I guess it's OK. 02:40:10 but i was also an idiot, so there you go. 02:40:24 cpressey: Anyway, really we should all just use amend. 02:40:32 alise: not acme? 02:40:51 cpressey: acme? 02:40:53 oh right 02:40:54 cpressey: no :P 02:40:59 i'm not that hardcore :( 02:41:07 a lot of the plan 9 gang use sam 02:41:16 which is basically a graphical window 02:41:18 with an ed window 02:41:22 and a bunch of file windows below 02:41:23 inside 02:41:42 you can select text and do basic insertions and scrolling with the bottom windows, but you mostly do everything inside the sam pane 02:41:43 and doing e.g. 02:41:44 /ab/ 02:41:46 will highlight ab 02:41:57 so basically it's ed turned into a "graphical" editor 02:42:26 oh mt 02:42:28 *my 02:42:49 it's not bad if you know ed's command set really 02:42:52 but yeah, hardcore. 02:43:01 i'm talking about people like ken thompson here that use it 02:43:07 gods among men 02:43:22 alise: Hmm. That seems not too bad after the learning curve. 02:43:28 Sam is the preferred text editor of many eminent computer scientists; it replaced ed as Ken Thompson's favorite text editor, and he still uses it to this day. Sam is the text editor used by Bjarne Stroustrup [1] and Brian Kernighan [2]. Others, like Dennis Ritchie, have moved on to use acme instead. 02:43:32 pikhq: sam or TECO? 02:43:39 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/44/Sam_text_editor.png 02:43:40 screenshot of sam 02:43:43 alise: sam. 02:43:59 cpressey: ASK WHAT AMEND IS DAMMIT 02:44:46 alise, an editor you have planned? 02:44:54 MAYBE 02:45:06 Just Nothing 02:45:09 I actually did some work on leaden (its predecessor) but that code is elsewhere or lost right now. 02:45:15 Whatever. 02:45:26 Possibly the least conventional editor around, though... 02:45:34 alise: OK. 02:45:36 cpressey: How much would it irk you to use an editor where every single change to the file is saved automatically? 02:45:39 alise: WHAT IS AMEND DAMMIT 02:45:59 alise: I... it would take getting used to. Would it also save undo info in the file? I could live with that. 02:46:00 Damnit, dammit 02:46:07 (Ctrl+S instead makes a version-control commit, after prompting for a one-line commit message. I call this feature "Overcome the Inertia Stopping Me Using Version Control".) 02:46:16 cpressey: It wouldn't; that's what Ctrl+S is for. 02:46:21 Or perhaps I will store undo information in ~/.amend/. 02:46:22 oh amend is yours! 02:46:24 It's certainly a good idea. 02:46:42 cpressey: Anyway, the idea is that whenever you'd save, you'd instead make a commit. 02:46:44 ooooooO 02:46:47 * Sgeo likes 02:46:49 *likey 02:46:51 That's a good idea. 02:47:00 Sgeo: the VCS thing or storing undo information to a file? 02:47:04 VCS 02:47:21 Although what about quick one-second files? 02:47:29 Is there a default VCS? 02:47:35 Sgeo: When there is no repository, it will prompt to either create one or go into Boring Mode. 02:47:53 My only worry is that I made a bunch of changes, I don't like them, then amend crashes. Urg, I'm stuck with them. Of course, if the file is in VCS I can just revert, so, yeah. 02:47:56 Boring Mode should also be used for configuration files, like in /etc (even if you keep them in a VCS, it's not a good idea to change them underneath programs). 02:48:09 cpressey: Yeah, that's the idea. 02:48:23 Boring Mode -- which won't actually be called that -- should be used whenever you're without a VCS. 02:48:30 * Sgeo hopes that append will be available for Windows 02:48:33 (In Boring Mode, Ctrl+S when there are no unsaved changes will commit. So you can still do that.) 02:48:37 Sgeo: *amend, and maybe. 02:49:07 I won't make any great effort to support Windows; I'll make small fixes if they make it work, though. 02:49:10 I feel like my spelling of alise's editor has just been alise's editored 02:49:32 quite 02:49:41 the other possible name was alter 02:49:43 but I liked amend more 02:50:08 vcs-editor! 02:50:11 02:50:19 it has more features 02:50:30 cpressey: other features: very little ui, but not ui obscured behind non-obvious keyboard commands 02:50:42 it's just that there's not much to it that isn't integrated into a normal editing flow 02:50:59 I managed to now make Enhanced CWEB to be able to use special symbols for some words. Such as: blackboard bold "Z" for int or for signed int, blackboard bold "N" for unsigned, and so on. 02:51:02 ...self-discoverable, i.e. all keyboard shortcuts are either standard, included in a VERY tiny initial reference, or shown in the interface 02:51:25 cpressey: a proper sidebar tree view of a directory for navigating a project... 02:51:43 probably a list of files on the side since I'm stuffing other stuff onto the sidebar anyway; it can hold more entries than horizontal tabs 02:51:50 no menus :P 02:52:05 cpressey: my inspiration for some of this is http://www.logarithmic.net/pfh/yaedit 02:52:07 * Sgeo wants this to become a mainstream editor 02:52:12 02:52:25 which has the auto-save thing but no VCS support, a very obvious UI, and a sidebar as the only other UI 02:52:35 hmm 02:53:21 probably the first version of amend will be called "leaden" because i'm worried about giving anything rubbish the name amend, it's too good to tarnish :) 02:54:19 I like the idea of all shortcuts being visible. Or, ... well, a qualified version of that. 02:54:24 "An option to set the bloody tab size and screw up your indenting. Tabs are 8 spaces, get over it. 02:54:24 " 02:54:28 Uhh... 02:54:34 So much for editing Python code? 02:54:49 you can insert four spaces. 02:54:54 it's a very common opinion, anyway, that \t = 8 spaces 02:54:57 indentation 02:54:57 != tab 02:55:04 he means that \t shows as 8 spaces 02:55:12 although i think all indentation is by tabs, that's not what he's saying there 02:55:17 i don't agree with it but whatever 02:55:49 *my* editor would choke on tabs with the error message: "bad magic: plz man 1 expand" 02:56:13 Some people may want to edit text, you know 02:56:19 Sgeo: and? 02:56:25 cpressey: nothing wrong with tabs, they're just horribly misused 02:56:40 tabs for indentation, spaces for alignment, although limited in editor support, is beautiful, since it looks perfect no matter what tabstop you se 02:56:42 *use 02:56:47 and retains the indentation information in a semantic form 02:56:56 even better are elastic tabstops, which don't even require a monospaced font for alignment :) 02:56:57 goodnight 02:57:02 someone check out what the hell this is: 02:57:03 * afaulds has quit (Quit: http://ajf.me/stuff/beep.exe - World's most advance beep app) 02:57:04 bye 02:57:05 goodnght 02:57:06 -!- alise has quit (Quit: Leaving). 02:57:27 * Sgeo carefully downloads 02:59:00 * Sgeo asks for Symantec to scan 02:59:11 * Sgeo watches Symantec take an unholy eternity to load 03:00:49 Waiting for Symantec to start scanning... 03:01:17 VirusTotal, which includes Symantec, found nothing 03:01:34 local Symantec is still being a bitch 03:01:56 Oh look, it completed 03:03:06 * cpressey can't wait can't wait 03:03:39 local found the same thing as VirusTotal: Nothing interesting. I should have said that after it completed 03:03:44 Instead of leaving it implied. 03:03:57 Did it at least go "beep"? 03:04:34 I didn't actually run the thing 03:04:51 I dfound its source 03:04:55 (supposed source) 03:05:01 http://ajf.me/stuff/beep.c 03:05:33 case WM_COMMAND: 03:05:33 Beep(750, 300); 03:06:58 I should make a Chrome profile that has Chrome's noscript enabled 03:07:04 And doesn't have Flash or other plugins 03:07:09 http://ajf.me/reactos/stuff/arwinss-logo.png <-- much more entertaining than beep.c 03:07:09 And starts in Incognito 03:07:13 Hazmat Chrome 03:07:29 Not as safe as a browser in a VM, but very close 03:08:56 Sounds decet 03:08:59 *decent 03:09:54 Ah I forgot Gnome terminal can open multiple tabs! 03:10:28 Of course, I tend to like having multiple desktop "screens" and sliding between them with Ctrl+Alt+arrowkeys better 03:10:40 I prefer screen. 03:11:02 Mmm, cheese. 03:11:04 I prefer screen for talking with a remote system that's going to drop me. 03:14:21 Someday, I will switch to ReactOS 03:16:24 Sgeo: Once it becomes borderline-usable? 03:16:33 Yes 03:16:41 Or maybe when it becomes near-perfect 03:17:07 (Although I'm scared that that might take decades) 03:17:42 How long has WINE been around for? 03:18:43 Sgeo: Apparently it started in 1993. 03:18:46 (WP) 03:19:17 * Sgeo depresses 03:19:46 * Sgeo does not feel like waiting 20 years for usable ReactoS 03:19:49 ReactOS 03:22:16 -!- yiyus_ has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 03:29:11 -!- yiyus_ has joined. 03:29:52 Well, I added an evaluator to my parser. It knows 'car', 'cdr', and 'quote'. Exciting language! 03:30:19 It will probably become a C impl of Pixley. Eventually. 03:31:52 Oh, and I should probably make the *evaluator* non-recursive and resumable, too, just for consistency with the existing pointlessness. 03:35:02 Pointfreeness? 03:42:18 with no arguments 03:47:44 arg[0] 03:49:33 So, I took the concept of a language with expression nesting and 2d flow and made it less awful than what I wrote out Boat as. 03:49:36 http://pastebin.com/YwLs2faU 03:59:01 -!- Mathnerd314 has joined. 04:05:09 Are any other needed symbols for data types in Enhanced CWEB? 04:05:16 (Other than the ones I have already listed) 04:06:45 I probably need "float" "double" "long double" I can use blackboard bold R for those. 04:06:52 (With the superscript - and +) 04:11:28 zzo38: Where can I download Enhanced CWEB? 04:14:25 -!- sftp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 04:18:04 wareya: It looks a lot like C put into a 2D grid. But I don't see any obvious way to do conditional control flow -- neither in it nor in Boat. 04:18:25 I haven't written conditionals into that one 04:18:33 Oh, in Boat it looks like ?(e){c} 04:18:38 yeah 04:19:23 zzo38: I can't telnet into zzo38computer.cjb.net either, although I wasn't really expecting to be able to :) 04:26:18