00:03:42 BAHAHAHAHAHA 00:03:56 Man Buys Segway Inc., Dies on Segway 00:04:19 yep :D 00:04:27 just imagine though 00:04:31 driving off a cliff on a Segway 00:04:35 1) how the hell do you manage to do that?! 00:04:40 2) MOST AWESOME LAST SECONDS OF LIFE EVER 00:04:51 Apparently he died after he "plunged 30 feet off a rocky cliff" 00:05:07 So, now Segways will have a warning label: "WARNING: This device does not protect against gravity." 00:05:18 how stupid do you have to be like 00:05:25 you're near the edge of a cliff - firstly why are you there - 00:05:29 secondly how do you keep leaning forwards to the edge 00:05:31 and then not stop leaning forwards 00:05:35 and freaking lean off the edge of the cliff 00:05:40 IT IS NOT HARD TO STOP A SEGWAY MOVING 00:06:13 Gregor: Can I netcat you something for ultra-temporary storage on codu? :P 00:06:16 It's 500 ks 00:07:03 alise: Why would you need that? Just transfer it guest-to-host 02:09:33 -!- clog has joined. 02:09:33 -!- clog has joined. 02:09:44 Are elves sensitive to chromium kinda like humans who can't eat Gluten? 02:09:56 "Oh, no lembas for me please, I've got Coealiac" 02:10:14 Quadlex: iron, usually. but Gregor is a special case. 02:10:15 No, they're like humans that are sensitive to chromium X-P 02:10:31 Or is it like jews and pork? 02:10:39 oerjan: Ahh, I see. So he's a freak then:P 02:11:08 Girls SAY they want a sensitive guy, but they get disgusted the first time you cry when Sesamie Street is over for the day 02:11:21 very freaky. i hear he's got a foot picture. 02:11:37 And you can see it, if you'd like (to vomit) 02:14:16 -!- cal153 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 03:01:02 A foot picture? 03:02:21 * Sgeo is way too tired to think properly 03:02:37 Sgeo: logic is overrated anyhow 03:09:17 -!- lament has joined. 03:10:55 Question: Did I get noticably more hyper after, say, summer 2009? 03:11:37 Is that when you stopped taking the pills? 03:11:56 As a matter of fact, yes 03:12:03 Literally 03:12:06 JOKE: RUINED 03:12:39 In that case: Is that when you developed a hyperbroad Long Iiiiiiiiiisland accent? :P 03:14:30 -!- Kordalien has joined. 03:19:42 Sgeo: Methylphenidate? 03:20:41 Tried that. Couldn't swallow it 03:20:58 Um, in Concerta form 03:21:33 Ah, OK. 03:21:37 I recently had to go back on it 03:21:42 Stupid... work. 03:26:56 -!- augur has joined. 03:39:01 I just did a search of cars for the maximum fuel economy. 03:39:06 They also had a list by MINIMUM fuel economy. 03:39:10 What I was expecting: SUVs. 03:39:13 What I found: sports cars. 03:39:23 WTF? Sports cars get bad mileage? Why do they even exist? 03:40:12 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamborghini_Murciélago How can a car this streamlined get 13MPG /highway/? SUVs get 13MPG /city/? WTFWTFWTF 03:44:29 It has to carry the passenger's ego 03:44:41 Gregor: it accelerates really quickly 03:44:50 Quadlex: Ahhhhhhh of course. 03:44:59 lament: But surely it doesn't need all that power to MAINTAIN SPEED ON A HIGHWAY X_X 03:45:11 That is, it doesn't just waste energy 03:45:18 yes it does 03:46:25 presumably in order to accelerate really quickly you have to design the engine in such a way that it's minimum power output is still really high 03:46:40 it has a ton of cylinders and stuff 03:46:57 Bleh. 03:47:01 also, what speed is that? the speed limit, or the usual speed of a lambo driver? 03:47:03 People who drive these should be shot. 03:51:19 Gregor: you'll love this site http://www.wreckedexotics.com/ 04:12:24 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Good night). 04:19:33 -!- hailtothethief has joined. 04:27:49 -!- sshc_ has joined. 04:27:54 -!- hailtothethief has quit (Quit: Leaving). 04:30:34 -!- sshc has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 04:42:21 -!- hailtothethief has joined. 05:12:26 -!- GreaseMonkey has joined. 05:14:31 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 05:16:06 -!- augur has joined. 05:34:25 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 06:00:05 -!- augur has joined. 06:07:01 poll: what's the most ridiculous thing you've ever seen printed in hardcopy 06:11:38 -!- sftp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 06:12:02 "The safe times [for sex] are the week before and the week of ovulation." [Note: I only saw that in a book of stupidest things ever said] 06:34:51 -!- webquint has joined. 06:34:57 So, in the comments of one of Diaspora's page's statuses, I mention the security issues and post a link 06:35:24 "@[my name], its the internet, security on here isnt real" 06:35:36 (Note: THat's not one of the devs) 06:35:45 I hope 06:36:23 Sgeo: the dumbest thing I've ever seen in print is the GCC 3.4 manual. Can you top that? 06:36:52 What's bad about the GCC 3.4 manual? 06:37:04 it's thick 06:37:18 also someone went through and nitpicked all the errors 06:37:40 and someone got a GCC dev to sign it (he wrote "et al." after Richard Stallman on the cover). 06:37:47 the dedication was "get a life you dumb fucks" 06:43:16 laaaaaaawl at signing it by writing "et al." 06:44:23 Gregor: he also signed it properly inside 06:44:32 there are some other gems 06:44:46 I've been told that at one point he wrote 'you missed one', but I haven't actually seen it 06:46:13 -!- FireFly has joined. 06:46:39 <3 the CSC 06:47:08 -!- cal153 has joined. 06:57:15 -!- tombom has joined. 07:04:17 -!- FireFly has quit (Quit: swatted to death). 07:37:03 -!- myndzi\ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 07:38:27 -!- myndzi has joined. 07:41:10 -!- Slereah has joined. 07:41:12 Blog updated, my work on the internet is done 07:45:26 -!- webquint has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 07:50:42 -!- tombom has quit (Quit: Leaving). 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:11:06 -!- atrapado has joined. 08:33:08 -!- Kordalien has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 08:56:23 -!- Ilari has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 08:57:53 -!- Ilari has joined. 09:22:20 -!- cheater99 has quit (Quit: Leaving). 09:30:02 -!- wareya_ has joined. 09:33:03 -!- wareya has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 10:14:18 -!- GreaseMonkey has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 11:04:22 -!- lament has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 12:14:13 -!- oerjan has joined. 12:57:40 -!- webquint has joined. 12:58:59 To whomever was asking about quines that execute themselves into infinity, I found a really cute example: kbde.sourceforge.net/kbde/man/kbde.1.html 12:59:24 "kbde --key=ArrowU --key=Enter --background Under bash shell will do something cool." 13:00:46 heh 13:05:10 cheaty, but hilarious 13:08:09 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Later). 13:08:43 -!- nooga has joined. 13:22:47 -!- webquint has quit (Quit: Page closed). 13:26:18 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 13:38:34 -!- ais523 has joined. 13:38:56 hi people, I need a quick insanity check: 13:39:20 a) does anyone know of a dynamically scoped call-by-name language? b) how insane am I to have invented/reinvented dynamically scoped lambda calculus? 13:39:41 sample code: (\y.y)(\f.f(y(f))) 13:46:20 absurd, taking the train was actually cheaper than the bus today. 13:46:35 not much, but usually it is the other way around 13:49:38 only downside is that with buses around here, if you change to another one then the cost of the first travel is substracted from the second travel. And due to that not working on trains, the total ended up a tiny amount more expensive with the train. But at least I didn't have to wait an hour (the first bus was late, so I missed the connection). And I arrived home before that other bus would have got me 13:49:38 home. 13:51:36 -!- ais523_ has joined. 13:51:39 -!- ais523 has quit (Disconnected by services). 13:51:41 -!- ais523_ has changed nick to ais523. 13:51:47 ais523_, hi, I guess you missed what I said? 13:52:02 [13:45] absurd, taking the train was actually cheaper than the bus today. 13:52:03 [13:46] not much, but usually it is the other way around 13:52:05 is the last I saw 13:54:44 only downside is that with buses around here, if you change to another one then the cost of the first travel is substracted from the second travel. And due to that not working on trains, the total ended up a tiny amount more expensive with the train. But at least I didn't have to wait an hour (the first bus was late, so I missed the connection). And I arrived home before that other bus would ha 13:54:44 ve got me 13:54:47 home. 13:54:50 ais523, missed that then 13:55:16 Vorpal: heh, here in the UK it's the opposite 13:55:28 ais523, and yeah, it ended up just 5 SEK more expensive after adding in the "couldn't substract the first travel from the second" 13:55:33 on buses, you have to pay for each bus separately, or else buy a day ticket that's more expensive but works on any number of buses 13:55:42 which is iirc about 0.5 £ or such 13:55:56 on the trains, the cost of the journey depends on the endpoints 13:55:56 and not on the route 13:55:59 (except in a few cases, sometimes you're banned from going via London) 13:57:07 atrapado, well here it is that if you take another bus within 3 hours, of the last travel then you can discount. Inside the same zone (the city is one zone) that means 0 for the second travel. With country side busses that mean a reduced price. 13:57:18 or if you go from country bus to city bus, 0 cost for second travel 13:57:25 Vorpal: I think you mispinged 13:57:29 err yes 13:57:32 indeed I did 13:57:39 how did that happen 13:57:41 hm 13:58:38 ais523, anyway, I couldn't go by tain the whole way, I need to take bus to university, The station and the university are like at opposite ends of the city 13:59:09 heh, here the station is as close to the University as it could theoretically be without being within University control 13:59:09 and well, the switch to country side bus is just next to the station. Like 5 meters away actually. 13:59:17 they share a boundary 13:59:20 hm 13:59:24 ais523, lucky you 13:59:29 the station's even called "University" 13:59:34 (amusingly, it doesn't actually say which one) 13:59:35 hm 13:59:44 but I normally take the bus, even though it doesn't go /quite/ as near 13:59:46 ais523, for trains that's a bit strange 14:00:10 it depends on where the station is, I suppose 14:00:19 near a university and a major hospital is a rather obvious place for a station 14:00:40 (Birmingham's large enough that it has many tens of stations, not just Birmingham New Street in the centre) 14:00:41 I mean, the bus station next to the university is "Universitetet" (The University). Well I didn't travel from that one today, I went from one at the opposite side of the university. Still close 14:01:05 but with city buses that isn't really a problem, two universities in one city is not likely 14:01:31 ais523, hm two train stations in the university city here. One in the town I live in 14:02:40 are you a student? 14:02:43 the hospital is way away too, About half the distance between the train station and the university.. But not straight between them. 14:02:45 ais523, yes 14:02:47 ais523, why? 14:02:49 I just realised I don't actually know what you do 14:02:53 which subject? 14:02:55 ais523, CS student 14:03:08 hmm, not particularly surprising given the topic of this channel... 14:03:22 ais523, except this is not "proper" CS in the classical sense but rather the more common type of CS. 14:03:34 -!- alise has joined. 14:03:36 programming? software engineering? 14:03:38 oh, hi alise 14:03:43 programming? software engineering? 14:03:44 How off-topic! 14:03:47 [13:38] hi people, I need a quick insanity check: 14:03:48 ais523, there is a lot more of that than alise would like yes 14:03:48 [13:38] a) does anyone know of a dynamically scoped call-by-name language? b) how insane am I to have invented/reinvented dynamically scoped lambda calculus? 14:03:50 [13:39] sample code: (\y.y)(\f.f(y(f))) 14:04:09 ais523, what is call-by-name now again? 14:04:12 ais523: (a) not as far as I can think (b) AWESOME 14:04:21 Today's Astronomy Picture of the Day does not make an especially good wallpaper. 14:04:26 ais523, that it has dynamically scoped function names? 14:04:39 (in this case I mean) 14:04:40 Vorpal: when arguments are passed via evaluating the argument when it's used, in the context of the caller 14:04:56 Vorpal: basically every argument is (\-> arg) 14:04:56 so 14:04:57 f x y 14:04:59 -!- sftp has joined. 14:05:01 is like, in normal languages, 14:05:03 hm 14:05:06 f (\() -> x) (\() -> y) 14:05:19 how does it differ from call-by-value or call-by-reference? 14:05:48 e.g. int f(x,y) {x = x+1; return y;} int main() {int x = 4; return f(x, x+2);} 14:05:52 "Dude makes 1:1 scale of the Star Trek Enterprise in Minecraft" ;; IT'S THE USS ENTERPRISE NCC-1701-D STUPID 14:05:56 would return 7 if C was call-by-name 14:06:00 hm 14:06:21 because the x = x + 1 increments x in the caller (much like call-by-reference), and then returning y uses the new value of x in the caller 14:06:31 the second property is unique to call-by-name 14:06:33 -!- jix has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 14:06:48 ais523, ah so return y returns "x+2", and lets the caller evaluate it then? 14:07:00 rather than evaluating it at call time 14:07:08 not exactly; it gets the caller to evaluate x+2, then returns the value the caller gives it 14:07:26 although what you mentioned would be a plausible "tail-call-by-name" optimisation, I suppose 14:07:35 ais523, is this found anywhere outside esolangs? 14:07:42 Vorpal: ALGOL 60, famously 14:07:44 it sounds so absurdly awkward 14:07:48 but it wasn't dynamically scoped 14:07:56 ah that would help I guess 14:08:08 see Man or Boy test 14:08:27 ais523, hm I can't think of any language like that indeed. 14:08:38 also, in languages like Haskell, technically you could use call-by-name and you wouldn't notice because there are no side effects suitable for distinguishing by-name from by-value 14:09:04 ais523, and it seems a lot harder to implement than simple straight-forward call by value. 14:09:08 the hardware compiler I'm working on at work is call-by-name, which is why I'm thinking about it 14:09:10 Christ the Enterprise is huge. 14:09:14 it's harder in some ways, but easier in other ways 14:09:33 call-by-value has issues with higher-order functions, as you actually need to save their values somewhere 14:09:41 -!- ais523 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 14:10:06 -!- ais523 has joined. 14:10:12 ais523, so why anyone would do it in something like ALGOL 60 I can't understand. Weren't computer resources limited back then? So it seems like a bad decision to add the extra complexity of doing this. 14:10:18 ugh, something seems to be randomly resetting my connection, both IRC and the web 14:10:20 Holy shit, the Enterprise is almost a fucking kilometre long. 14:10:23 I think it's the wireless router gone mad again 14:10:28 That is just unholy. 14:10:33 Well, 642.5 m. 14:10:35 Close enough. 14:10:38 Vorpal: computer scientists, the pure CS sort not the programming sort, like call-by-name 14:10:43 alise, TNG? TOS? 14:10:53 because you don't have to distinguish values from expressions 14:10:55 Vorpal: Enterprise-D, but they're all much the same design 14:11:03 ais523, hah 14:11:05 Vorpal: algol 60 was hardly designed for the computers of the time, dude 14:11:06 also, in call-by-name, if and while can be defined as functions 14:11:11 er wait 14:11:14 i was thinking of algol 68 14:11:15 alise, enterprise-d, which series was that 14:11:19 which is probably the first language-wank ever 14:11:21 Vorpal: TNG 14:11:25 alise, ah 14:11:41 alise, well 642.5 m is closer to half a km than a km 14:11:47 alise, still large, but not that extreme 14:11:49 Vorpal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn2-d5a3r94 full-size model of Enterprise in Minecraft; http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/djs2s/dude_makes_11_scale_of_the_star_trek_enterprise/c10qj2p elaboration 14:11:50 e.g. command while(boolean cond, command c) {if(cond){c; while(cond,c);}} 14:11:59 his version is 785 m on that dimension though; it's 22% bigger to fit minecraft characters better 14:12:03 ("command" is typically a data type in such languages) 14:12:17 (Video narration is hilarious.) 14:12:18 alise, heck, some bulk cargo trains reach over 1 km in length, Of course they are not spaceships, but still... 14:12:25 ais523: i don't think it's *popular* among CS guys 14:12:29 alise, Minecraft? 14:12:29 just hilariously admired 14:12:33 alise: hmm, perhaps 14:12:49 at least in the field I'm working with, "Idealized Algol" and its variations are the typical stock language to work from 14:12:53 Vorpal: it's like a virtual world, except based entirely on 1 m^3 squares of different types, and you can dig and stuff 14:12:56 ah 14:12:56 it's Algol 60, adapted to remove all the features that make it practical 14:12:57 it's an open-ended sandbox game 14:13:12 sounds cool 14:13:15 and it's awesome up until the point S g e o hears about it and starts obsessing, so talk very quietly 14:13:40 Vorpal: oh yeah and the gigantic world map is randomly generated 14:13:44 alise, hah 14:13:46 and there are caves and mines and stuff 14:14:00 alise: it sounds rather like Dwarf Fortress with shallower gameplay and a better interface 14:14:07 ais523: well, it's massive-multiplayer 14:14:09 for some value of massive 14:14:13 it's Algol 60, adapted to remove all the features that make it practical <-- XD 14:14:14 and also some value of how multiplayer you want 14:14:18 since you can have, like, private worlds 14:14:32 it costs (one-off though), the ooold version is free though 14:14:36 Vorpal: I mean, syntactic sugar's nice in a real language, but you don't want it in your mathematical abstractions 14:14:44 -!- jix has joined. 14:14:55 true 14:15:13 the only acceptable language is SK combinators with three bits of ram 14:15:16 ais523, I'm still not sure I grok call-by-name. Maybe it isn't so awkward without dynamic scoping? 14:16:03 Vorpal: anyway, consider that the Enterprise is about *twice* the length of a *huge* cruise ship 14:16:08 plus a bit 14:16:50 alise, does it fit with the expected interior size though? 14:16:51 well all cruise ships are huge 14:16:57 you know what i mean 14:17:04 Vorpal: pretty much: 14:17:05 The original Enterprise is 642.5 Meters x 467.0 Meters x 137.5 Meters. This is about 3m per deck. Sadly, with the 1m deck you have to walk on, that only leaves 2m left over for hallway space. As your character is only 1.7m tall, you will be bumping your head around a lot. I decided to make the ship 22% bigger, so I could have 4 m per deck. That puts the final size @ 785m x 570m x 168m. I made my "pit" 800x600x180 to fit all 42 decks and almost made a critica 14:17:05 l error. Even though there are 42 decks on the enterprise, the 2nd deck is split into two half-decks, making actually 43. I made the pit bigger than she ship so I could have a little wiggle room and just missed making it too shallow. In my testing, the halls can get a little cramped. The current decks are just a guideline and framework. They don't call it "Creative Mode" for nothing. 14:17:17 Vorpal: the only reason he had to enlarge it 14:17:20 is because the floor is 1 m^3 14:17:25 since everything in minecraft is 1 m^3 14:17:44 hm 14:18:26 alise, you can't make anything but square 1 m^3 objects or? 14:18:50 well, yeah. 14:19:01 it has monsters and rollercoasters and stuff. but the actual blocks 14:19:06 are 1 m^3 14:19:12 although due to the rollercoasters, pretty sure there's ramped blocks 14:19:20 i haven't played it personally, have been meaning to 14:20:40 alise, the idea seems good though, but the 1 m³ restriction must he rather hampering. It will look like it was made out of square lego blocks 14:20:50 err, cubic ones I mean 14:20:53 not square 14:21:12 well, it's insanely popular 14:21:17 so i guess not that hampering :) 14:21:21 Vorpal: have you watched the video? 14:21:28 alise, yes, just finished 14:21:34 at the right zoom level, anything can look right :-P 14:21:39 There are no ramped blocks, but the minecart tracks automagically ramp themselves a bit. 14:21:47 Vorpal: also, you're comparing it to lego as if that's a bad thing 14:21:53 alise, and when he got closer to the stuff near the base it didn't look very good 14:22:01 well, he hasn't filled it in yet 14:22:03 Next step: Spaceflight 14:22:10 There are half-height "step" blocks for staircasing, but those occupy only the lower half, not the upper. 14:22:27 alise, the issue is that enterprise is all smooth curves. Very few things at right angles in it 14:22:28 And other, smaller things, like pressure plates; those are rather thin, but I think you can still stand on them. 14:22:35 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/75/Minecraft.png mah treez r square 14:22:52 *cube 14:22:55 i like how the sun is a square 14:22:58 very consistent 14:23:09 yes indeed 14:23:15 Also the moon, and I think it had square craters too. 14:23:38 I guess it's not detailed enough for that. But at least it's square. 14:23:52 if you run fast enough does it get dark 14:23:54 or is the world flat :P 14:24:21 alise, you need textures for something like http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/58/Enterprise_Forward.jpg 14:24:29 still cool/insane/awesome idea 14:24:37 Vorpal: meh, coloured blocks 14:24:42 all those coloured elements are >1m^3 14:24:47 well yes 14:25:03 I think the world is flat. (Possibly one side of a cube, though?) 14:25:08 should have done the defiant 14:25:10 that's just a brick ;) 14:25:19 (OHHH SNAP) 14:25:20 alise, still, he had to fill out lots of panels it seemed like 14:25:45 or whatever you call them 14:25:59 it looked like a blocky wireframe 14:26:38 who cares it's awesome :P 14:26:53 alise, missing comma there 14:27:02 who, care it's awesome :P 14:27:05 *cares 14:27:12 I meant after cares :P 14:28:02 -!- Harpyon has joined. 14:28:05 The framework was done by converting directly into a Minecraft map, wasn't it? (But the plan was to have a bunch of people doing all the interior construction in-game, if I understood right.) 14:28:24 yeah 14:28:36 Vorpal: meh, i didn't pronounce any comma 14:28:38 Watched it with no audio earlier today. 14:29:28 ais523, does TAEB farm? 14:31:57 no 14:32:02 nor does Planar 14:32:07 Water in minecraft is really funny; if you scoop up a bucketful, then place it in any square, that square will turn into a "fountain", from which an infinite amount of water will flow, except that it only spreads sideways at an inclination of around 1/4 blocks. And if you later pick up the "fountain" block back to a bucket, all the water it has generated will also dry out. 14:32:16 (Note: I don't know for certain, I'm just making a 90% prediction here.) 14:32:36 fizzie: Can you pick up water without a bucket? 14:32:37 If not: aww. 14:32:41 For example, this is what happened when I was trying to hit a switch next to my door but accidentally unbucketed a bucket of water there: http://zem.fi/~fis/flood.png 14:32:43 I want self-contained blocks of water. 14:32:46 No, you need a bucket. 14:33:01 :( 14:33:04 I think the earlier sort of water (pre-Alpha) was even less "realistic". 14:34:14 fizzie, oops 14:34:16 But you can "pour" a bucket of water at a great height (as long as there's something next to it -- and you can remove that something later on if you want) and it'll make a permanent waterfall at that point. 14:34:22 fizzie, is it pure virtual world or more than that? 14:34:39 Vorpal: On the other hand, it was easy to clean up: I just re-bucketed that one fountain block and everything went to how it was before. 14:34:50 (Also, lava behaves just like water except it moves slower.) 14:35:13 fizzie, very crude textures 14:35:16 Vorpal: I'm not sure what you mean by "more". I mean, there's some game-like elements in it. 14:35:22 Vorpal: Yeah, it's a stylistic choice. 14:35:36 fizzie, I saw a health meter on some screenshot of it 14:35:45 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWPk5zlKAEM and especially at 4:45 onwards (after looking at the big one) 14:35:56 the main bit reminds me of Magrathea's factory 14:36:00 Yes, there's a "survival" game thing, monsters at night, that sort of stuff. 14:36:11 fizzie, ah 14:36:27 fizzie, any cars or such? 14:36:30 Though if playing locally you can just set difficulty to "peaceful", and I'm sure there's servers around that do that too. 14:36:37 There's minecarts, with wonderfully screwy physics. 14:36:39 fizzie: So does lava... hurt you? :P 14:36:43 fizzie, ah 14:37:12 alise: Well, you get set on fire. And then die, after a while. Unless you run pretty fast to some water. 14:37:22 fizzie, can you swim? 14:37:27 Vorpal: You can build perpetual motion machines out of the minecarts. 14:37:29 Vorpal: see that vide 14:37:32 *video 14:37:34 unless that's not water 14:37:41 Vorpal: You can swim, but there's an oxygen-meter if you go below the surface. 14:37:46 fizzie, and can you die from falling from great heights? 14:38:18 Vorpal: Yes. Or at least you take damage, I'm not sure if there's a cap to that. 14:38:32 Oh, and you can build logic circuits out of redstone: http://minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Redstone_circuits 14:38:38 fizzie, can you make lifts or other interesting moving stuff? 14:39:35 Well, it's pretty limited, but you can make those minecarts go uphill by screwing with the physics, and then use those logic circuits (and pressure plates) to make T-connections that flip direction. 14:40:04 fizzie, is it TC? 14:40:40 fizzie: can you get them to go straight up? :D 14:40:53 Oh, and there's powered minecarts, but those burn fuel. 14:41:03 and how do you get fuel? 14:41:18 or raw material for that matter 14:41:19 You can mine for coal, or cut down trees. 14:41:23 Punch down trees, more like. 14:41:37 fizzie, what about rock? 14:42:06 Basically you first punch down some trees, turn those into planks, those into sticks, then make a wooden pickaxe; then use that to get some cobblestones and make tools out of stone; and then proceed from there. 14:42:32 heh 14:42:59 You need a diamond pickaxe to mine obsidian (the hardest material, discounting adminium), and there's other rules like that. 14:43:30 You need a more-than-stone pickaxe to mine gold/diamonds. But you can mine iron ore with a stone pickaxe, that's how you get steel stuff. 14:44:12 With ores (gold, iron) you need to use a foundry to smelt them into things you can build with, though. And the foundry needs fuel; one lump of coal can do 8 smelting operations. 14:44:14 -!- olgagirl has joined. 14:44:24 (One bucket of lava will do 1000, but it'll also burn out the bucket.) 14:44:30 fizzie, and your build the foundry out of blocks too? 14:44:30 -!- olgagirl has quit (Client Quit). 14:44:45 fizzie: can you get them to go straight up? :D 14:44:47 (minecarts) 14:44:48 Yes, the foundry is made out of 8 blocks of stone in a square. 14:44:57 punch down trees :D 14:45:00 alise: Not that I know of, but you could make a track that spirals upwards. 14:45:20 AWESOME 14:45:26 i want that instead of a lift in every building 14:45:47 alise: If you're building something for people to use, waterfall elevators are popular. (You can swim up a waterfall.) 14:46:02 Ilari, can you suspend things in the air? That enterprise thing looked like it was suspended on nothing 14:46:36 Vorpal: Yes, most things float in the air. Usually you need something to "build against" in order to actually put a block there, but it will not fall if you later dismantle what it was hanging from. 14:46:44 hah 14:47:00 Sand and gravel do fall to lowest possible z-coordinate, though. 14:47:07 fizzie, that switch thingy, what can it do? 14:47:10 (You can suffocate yourself in gravel if you mine carelessly.) 14:47:50 A switch "activates" things; things that you can activate include doors, redstone wires, and... well, I don't know. Something else too, probably. Minecart track T-junctions switch direction when activated, I think. 14:48:59 fizzie, T-junction? 14:49:01 how absurd 14:49:15 for something on rails to turn 90° sharply 14:49:54 Well, the middle square of the T-junction will have a 90-degree "smooth" turn to either way, and that's the bit that flips when you activate it. 14:50:06 I do think it should be TC, except that it has a pretty bad limitation that all active stuff (like redstone circuits) are only updated in the local neighbourhood of a player, and I think it was a pretty small neighbourhood too. (And in any case there's a finite world anyway.) 14:50:35 ah 14:50:42 "Circuits that are more than ~300 blocks away from your current position will cease to operate due to being on unloaded chunks." 14:51:43 Also, one "redstone torch" will only send a signal for 15 squares of wire, but you can chain torches; there'll be a propagation delay that way, though. 14:51:50 fizzie, do trees regrow? 14:51:59 Yes, they're a renewable resource. 14:52:08 ah 14:52:12 You can also plant trees, some of the greenery will turn into saplings. 14:52:27 They need sunlight and that sort of stuff to grow though. 14:52:41 Also there's some sort of farming mechanism, I think. 14:53:37 (I'm no expert on this, I've just dabbled with the game for something like three days when they had that free-for-all weekend, and watched other people's stuff.) 14:54:04 alise: If you're building something for people to use, waterfall elevators are popular. (You can swim up a waterfall.) 14:54:09 Can you shoot someone up a waterfall? :P 14:54:21 -!- sshc_ has changed nick to sshc. 14:54:26 I'm not sure how much you can affect other people, except to bump them a bit. 14:54:29 Ilari, [minecraft question] ;; how the hell did you make this typo? 14:54:38