< 1285804810 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, hypergolic is the last category? < 1285804856 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if every hypergolic is an explosive... Some of them might just burn... < 1285805039 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1285807481 0 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285807705 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: GEOMTRIC < 1285807752 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1285807794 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur is allergic to geomtrics < 1285807837 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very tricky stuff < 1285808577 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what music do you like? < 1285808589 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH < 1285808599 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, Visual Studio *2010* does not support C99. < 1285808613 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it weird? < 1285808614 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KILL IT WITH FIRE < 1285808617 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's MS < 1285808640 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you realise how backwards C90 is. < 1285808646 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do < 1285808649 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :believe me < 1285808704 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is like only supporting HTML 1. < 1285808759 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this is Microsoft < 1285808805 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, these are the guys that actually spend effort making 15 year old programs run. < 1285808813 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, sorry, *25*. < 1285808904 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I should just state right now that I am not on the IE9 development team. < 1285808919 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhhhh < 1285808922 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION writes that down. < 1285808961 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: without that "not" < 1285809059 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285809070 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: MS just doesn't care about C. < 1285809073 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're more concerned with C++ < 1285809088 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They pretty much only support the subset of C that's also a subset of Microsoft C++. < 1285809132 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, there are virtually no compilers in existence that fully support C99. < 1285809143 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think SUNPro does, but it's complete garbage otherwise, so *eh* < 1285809149 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GCC doesn't. < 1285809154 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yeah, but most of them at least *try*. < 1285809159 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also functions that differ from (semi-)standard ones apparently just by name (sprintf_s is just another name for snprintf?) < 1285809161 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough :P < 1285809182 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: stricmp! < 1285809196 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, GCC's missing support is currently just in glibc. < 1285809206 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, have they gotten to that point? < 1285809216 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As of the last time I checked (4.2ish?) there were still lacks in GCC proper. < 1285809220 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4.5. < 1285809225 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1285809251 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TinyCC does more than Visual Studio. < 1285809258 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's a *fucking tiny* C compiler. < 1285809259 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hyuk < 1285809266 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What function didn't GCC support? < 1285809287 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Probably some stupidly complicated corner case of complex or similar. < 1285809296 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of complex numbers, that is. < 1285809444 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least C99 doesn't have anything like 'export'. < 1285809488 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think I should just state right now that I am not on the IE9 development team. < 1285809489 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1285809508 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/dkk3l/iama_we_are_members_of_the_ie9_product_team_here/ < 1285809514 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the persons shares my first name < 1285809527 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody cares dude :p < 1285809550 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mutters something about sense of humor while falling asleep < 1285809566 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should get some sleep tonight < 1285809688 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :export is really infamous for being virtually impossible to support. < 1285809822 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a reason it's out of C++0x < 1285809916 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah... C++0x has other fun stuff... But nothing as bad as export. < 1285810419 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight. < 1285810422 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye. < 1285810424 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1285812293 0 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285812897 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise < 1285812905 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :went to sleeeep ehhehe < 1285812912 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's got school tomorrow < 1285812944 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I played D&D game today. I didn't quite get enough points for next level < 1285812954 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;f < 1285812959 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i died in zangband again < 1285812971 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it almost always happens that me and my brother both get the same XP total (even though we did different things) < 1285812975 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the most stupid death ever < 1285812978 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it happened today, too < 1285813002 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, different numbers are being added up, it just happens to be the same total < 1285813003 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb, goodnight < 1285813439 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1285814431 0 :antivigilante!~antivigil@63-225-203-9.phnx.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285814471 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285814933 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reasonably settlable planet discovered a mere 20 light years away. < 1285814952 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We could totally settle that sucker with a generation ship. < 1285815059 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe not... Small star, likely tidally locked... < 1285815081 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's confirmed to be tidally locked. In the habitable zone of orbit. < 1285815117 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also you'd need the NASA to actually do something. < 1285815126 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: Yes, yes. < 1285815128 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How 'bout going back to the moon, first < 1285815293 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many things with life need to be within limits... Too small star and you get too much variablitity and tidelocking. Too large star and it doesn't live long enough. Too near star and water vaporizes, too far from star and water freezes. Too small planet and one doesn't get magnetic field. Too large planet and it becomes gas giant... < 1285815355 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Here's the thing: they have confirmed that it is at just the right distance to have liquid water, and just the right size to have a reasonable atmosphere. < 1285815361 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and no other planets with badly behaved orbits... And large mooon... < 1285815386 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That it's tidelocked just means that there's only a relatively small strip that's at the right temperature. < 1285815458 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, for primitive life (bacteria), the limits are wider, but for higher life the conditions have to be pretty much just right. < 1285815495 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's almost certainly got liquid water, and a range of temperatures from blistering hot to absolutely freezing. < 1285815512 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Granted, there could very well be something to fuck that up. < 1285815519 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sulpheric acid rain, say?) < 1285815549 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, hell. It's the most likely planet to have life on it. Or to support terrestrial life. < 1285815590 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would say Mars is more likely planet to harbor (simple) life than that place... < 1285815610 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. Mars has evidence of liquid water, too. < 1285815639 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also phenomena that pretty much can only mean volcanic or biologic activity... < 1285815644 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And we know that it doesn't have anything to royally fuck up simple life. < 1285815685 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could probably just let loose some convenient bacteria if you wanted to start a long-term terraforming project. < 1285815698 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(... *Really* long term.) < 1285815749 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just thickening the atmosphere would be handy (so you wouldn't have to deal with big pressure diffentials). < 1285815788 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And making it have a bit of a more convenient composition. < 1285815818 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if you couldn't make it support complex life directly (probably couldn't do this), it *would* be nice to make it easy to go from Martian air to breathable air. < 1285815870 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's longer term project... The minimal pressure one can generate long-term breathable atmosphere with is something like 1/3 bar. < 1285815909 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but we're talking terraforming Mars. Most of it's going to be long-term. < 1285815932 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially if you want to, say, bring it closer to the Sun. :P < 1285815961 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(totally possible, if probably harder than just setting up a gigantic dome over *everything*) < 1285816026 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, sucking loads of CO2 from atmosphere of Venus and dumping to Mars? Nice extra bonus that CO2 happens to be greenhouse gas... < 1285816062 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Earth. < 1285816069 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solution to global warming while we're at it. < 1285816372 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Atmosphere of Earth doesn't have that much CO2 one could extract. Only some 500 gigatons (or something like that). One would need something like 500 teratons of stuff to thicken atmosphere of mars to useful densities... < 1285816456 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but it would still be a convenient source for a short time, and we *could* do with a good place to dump all this long-buried CO2. < 1285816485 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More of a solution for the global warming problem than the higher-pressure Mars problem, though. < 1285816565 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But looking realistically at global warming problem, it has no graceful solutions... < 1285816609 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for surreptitiously taking all the fossil fuels and launching them to orbit, you mean. :P < 1285816622 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Oh, wait. Oil companies would just start space programs. < 1285816636 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow. < 1285816794 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks algae biofuel sounds pretty graceful < 1285817006 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That's a solution to *further* CO2 addition. We've already dumped a heck of a lot into the air, though. < 1285817017 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaand smaller quantities of other not-helpful things. < 1285817021 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, algae biofuels are probably among the best stuff biofuels can provode... < 1285817049 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're already seeing a lot of painful effects from what we've done. < 1285817059 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :While people deny it's even happening. < 1285817061 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not if we produce _more_ algae than we burn... < 1285817061 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE WORLD IS DOOMED!!! < 1285817075 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: And then dump it into an oil well? < 1285817079 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1285817087 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's an option :D < 1285817089 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the oceans are rising!!! < 1285817099 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: No, things to the south will get much hotter, and coastlines will change. < 1285817102 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soon entire continents will be submerged!!! < 1285817126 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Norway will have very pleasant weather year-round. < 1285817133 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As will Canada. < 1285817142 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, if all ice in icecaps melted, that would only be something like 60-70m sea level rise... < 1285817143 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a good thing to me < 1285817161 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more, i think < 1285817161 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Still enough to rather notably change coastlines. < 1285817178 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've heard about 70m i think < 1285817209 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eq2-WH7WoE < 1285817225 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And why do people deny global warming *still*? < 1285817243 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BECAUSE IT'S COLD OUTSIDE < 1285817246 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it isn't happening < 1285817253 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that is the extent of my understanding of science. < 1285817267 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: Um, what? < 1285817280 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And regarding geoengineering... X watts of radiative forcing and Y watts of forcing via greenhouse gasses is not the same as X - Z watts of radiative forcing and Y + Z watts of forcing via greenhouse gasses... < 1285817289 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope that was sarcasm. < 1285817300 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quadrescence: Um, what? < 1285817315 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, it's not the end of the world or anything, but it's certainly *happening* and being quite inconvenient. < 1285817334 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not inconvenienced by the global warming in the slightest. < 1285817340 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the evolution that bothers me more. < 1285817358 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are joking, right? < 1285817362 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right, Canada. Global warming is a convenience to you. < 1285817371 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The oceans rose something like 15 cm < 1285817374 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It's workin' out great for Russia! < 1285817381 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :over the whole period of global warming < 1285817387 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm unimpressed < 1285817409 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: You... Are joking, right? < 1285817432 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes global warming if taken far will have a bunch of positive as well as negative effects < 1285817446 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole rising sea level thing is an astoundingly minor deal to everyone who's not at 70m or less elevation. < 1285817458 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: 70m is if all the ice caps melt < 1285817463 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is not happening < 1285817467 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. If you're at 71m elevation, the rising sea level thing will be absolutely wonderful for you. < 1285817479 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: Dude, there is now a Northwest Passage. < 1285817484 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so? < 1285817487 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the ice caps melt......where will we get our ice??? < 1285817491 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Wait, seriously? < 1285817495 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yes. < 1285817500 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a pretty big difference from the entire antarctica melting < 1285817504 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I so intensely ignore the worst parts of the news I wasn't aware of this :P < 1285817512 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: The ice has melted enough that there has been a Northwest Passage for a year or so. < 1285817530 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: isn't that a good thing? < 1285817532 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Article or it didn't happen :P < 1285817539 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: Good chunks of Antarctica is melting. < 1285817542 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/is/are/ < 1285817546 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude < 1285817547 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwest_Passage < 1285817549 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what good chunks < 1285817553 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you talking about < 1285817558 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks cryosphere today... < 1285817566 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like 0.00000001% is in any danger of melting < 1285817567 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have an infinite number of monkeys, typing an infinte number of messages, on an infinite number of typewriters, with infinite paper and ink ribbon, what is the probability that you will dye tomorrow? < 1285817575 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was this team that sailed through _both_ the northwest and northeast passage this year < 1285817576 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: 6 < 1285817589 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i _think_ it was norwegian < 1285817601 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like something norwegians would do < 1285817630 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f0/2007_Arctic_Sea_Ice.jpg Well, here's the shrinking Artic. < 1285817738 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: the arctic ice cap is tiny and basically irrelevant < 1285817743 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_shrinkage < 1285817746 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: are you spelling dye correctly there? < 1285817761 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think so. I do know I don't mean "die" < 1285817764 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7a/Antarctic_Ice_Melt-First_Year.jpg And here's where they're starting to see Antarctic melting. < 1285817767 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1285817790 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: right. that's the tiny bit. < 1285817811 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it didn't _use_ to be tiny *ducks* < 1285817812 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: antarctica has multi-kilometer ice sheets and the little bits at the edges are melting. Big whoop. < 1285817852 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why the ocean level rise has been 15cm out of the total of 60 meters < 1285817860 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :glaciers usually _start_ melting at the edges, lament < 1285817884 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, so you're unimpressed by how Antarctica, a continent that does not normally have liquid ice, has started melting. < 1285817905 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! < 1285817912 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm definitely impressed if they have liquid ice. < 1285817918 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck does that even mean? < 1285817923 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was a thinko. < 1285817928 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Liquid water. < 1285817935 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though, liquid ice = water, so... < 1285817990 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well obviously antarctica has water, all this ice is melting into the ocean < 1285818039 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway check wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_ice_sheet < 1285818050 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also been quite a lot of glacier melting... < 1285818064 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2007 showed the largest positive anomaly of sea ice in the southern hemisphere since records have been kept starting in 1979 and 2008 is currently on pace to surpass last years record.[15] The atmospheric warming cannot be directly linked to the recent mass losses in West Antarctica. < 1285818069 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This mass loss is more likely to be due to increased melting of the ice shelves because of changes in ocean circulation patterns. < 1285818080 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The melting and disappearance of the floating ice shelves will only have a small effect on sea level, which is due to salinity differences. < 1285818085 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other words, you're lying to me. < 1285818119 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... In other words, you're bullshitting me. "LALALAGLOBALWARMINGISNOTREALBECAUSEITSNOTTHEAPOCALYPSE" < 1285818149 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, of course there's a real increase in temperature < 1285818169 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sure i can dream that one day canada will be warmer < 1285818172 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't have much hope :( < 1285818180 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1285818231 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOTHING CAN DESTROY NATURE'S HARMONIC TIMECUBE. < 1285818375 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, the current sea level rise rate is 2.8 mm per year. And increasing. Even if we assume it's a constant rate, that's still a 0.28 meter rise in sea level over a century. Which is enough to fuck with a good few coastal cities. < 1285818446 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :28cm < 1285818451 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm drowning!! < 1285818495 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :waves are usually higher than that. < 1285818496 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, either fuck with them or we have a lot of Venice clones. < 1285818525 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have 1-foot waves? < 1285818564 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like wavelets < 1285818582 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, that's an *increasing* rate. < 1285818612 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the time this will add up to any actual damage, we'll have ran out of oil anyway :) < 1285818624 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it'll still be going. < 1285818629 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Which is the problem. < 1285818669 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for very long, the surplus carbon and stuff gets absorbed < 1285818694 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that the switch from coal power plants had an almost immediate effect on global warming < 1285818709 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Switch from"? Cute. < 1285818805 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The media player skin I use has no graphical buttons for anything, it displays "M==" when playing, "M=|" when paused, "M=_" if stopped, and "P0+" if the file has been closed (I don't quite know why). (When playing Vorbis files though, I just use SoX instead.) < 1285818842 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some countries are better, some are worse, but: the US produces 44% of its power from coal. And another 24% from other fossil fuels. < 1285818964 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION <3 nuclear power. < 1285818982 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION <3 nuclear power. < 1285819003 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG BUT EVERY NUCLEAR POWER PLANT IS CHERNOBYL < 1285819012 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEREFORE COAL IS SAFER AND CLEANER < 1285819046 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to use wind for power, then. < 1285819059 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never mind that coal emits more radiation than a nuclear power plant. < 1285819065 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wind power is great, but we just don't have the technology to use it as primary yet. < 1285819067 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, a coal power plant. < 1285819077 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hydroelectric is great where it works. < 1285819093 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Sure we do, it's just much cheaper to burn shit. < 1285819155 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Likewise with solar power. < 1285819198 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmmm, I don't even know if that's true. I think that watts per sq. ft. taken is much, much greater with coal or nuclear. If we started powering major cities with wind, we would need to take an impractical amount of space for wind farms. Maybe that's not true :P < 1285819202 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll talk to my friend in wind power. < 1285819245 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I don't think you realise that we could reasonably sacrifice a few *states* to the cause. < 1285819249 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1285819278 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would anyone be sad about Kansas farmers having to farm between windmills? < 1285819299 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mr. Wind Power sez: availability. < 1285819308 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, more to the point, wind power only works somewhere with a LOT of wind. < 1285819312 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kansas. < 1285819313 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's no more general than hydroelectric. < 1285819328 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bees! < 1285819331 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Granted, distribution is then a *massive* problem. < 1285819332 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is excited < 1285819334 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My bees are ready < 1285819346 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Kansas is windy pretty much all the time. < 1285819353 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even exaggerating. < 1285819363 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :---: Just like solar, there are times when you're producing lots of power, and then there are times when you're not producing any < 1285819363 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :---: Moreover, the variability needs to be balanced with something steady and controllable, so that you can have the exact amount of energy you need at any given time without wild swings < 1285819398 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Storage: perfectly possible with modern technology, but more expensive than burning shit. < 1285819422 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still poking at him :P < 1285819457 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, nuclear power has much fewer things to deal with. In fact, the *only* thing stopping us is "EVERY NUCLEAR POWER PLANT IS CHERNOBYL". < 1285819506 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and a minor reluctance to reprocess nuclear waste so we get more use out of the fuel and much easier to deal with waste. < 1285819530 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's easier to deal with than irrationality of a large chunk of the population. < 1285819575 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggested Kansas-sized capacitors. < 1285819585 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He suggested pumped-storage hydroelectricity: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumped-storage_hydroelectricity < 1285819594 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Storing electrical energy as gravitational potential energy. < 1285819597 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That ... is so much awesome. < 1285819598 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the pump-storage is much more likely. < 1285819605 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it could be Kansas-sized. < 1285819615 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, better still, Arizona-sized. < 1285819620 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With solar plants on top. < 1285819626 0 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285819630 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I should learn how to build an ALU < 1285819645 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I think one's been done in AW already < 1285819684 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a large number of ways you can store energy that are really, astoundingly simple. Flywheels. Compressed air. Pumped-storage hydroelectricity. < 1285819705 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how practical this is, but launching things up into the air and waiting for them to fall. :P < 1285819727 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm, potential energy. < 1285819824 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ejaculating into a dam < 1285819865 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only if you're a fish. < 1285819879 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm told that in Oregon (y'know, a state that DOESN'T suck), renewable energy sources are ~80% of power production. < 1285819915 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1285820101 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, and to make up for it there's probably a state that burns fuel *just to spite you*. < 1285820113 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No boiler attached or anything. Just set it on fire. < 1285820113 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1285820270 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So which is more polluting I wonder: a Toyota Prius hybrid, or a Nissan Leaf driven and recharged in Indiana? < 1285820322 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fucking Hummer that PEOPLE ACTUALLY DRIVE AROUND HERE. < 1285820327 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PEOPLE COMMUTE IN HUMMERS HERE. < 1285820343 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just see a lot of perfectly-clean pickups. < 1285820358 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find the perfectly-clean pickup to be pretty damned offensive. < 1285820428 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For those unaware: a Hummer is a civilian version of the military Humvee vehicle. < 1285820433 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It gets 8 miles per gallon. < 1285820507 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's heavy enough to count as a tax writeoff meant to apply to owner-operated semi-trucks. < 1285820743 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is literally 3 tons. Damn. < 1285820749 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps the most offensive vehicle ever produced is the stretch hummer. < 1285820776 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel the only appropriate thing to do when you see a stretch hummer is open the passenger door and riddle the cabin with bullets. < 1285820786 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try not to kill the driver, who's probably relatively innocent. < 1285820806 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite true. < 1285820893 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wow. It's so heavy it's exempt from safety regulations. < 1285820925 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... what ... what does that even mean? < 1285820943 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's heavy enough to count as a *bus* or *semitruck* according to the law. < 1285820969 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to me like those ought to have /greater/ safety regulations. < 1285821004 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1285821005 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Less. < 1285821020 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'm just a bright-eyed optimist. < 1285821098 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it were much heavier, though, you would need a commercial driver's license to operate it. < 1285821157 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/dkkst/reminder_40_of_aols_revenue_still_comes_from/c10wn7g < 1285822246 0 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1285823382 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh my fucking GOD people are morons. < 1285823406 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently some people *try to drive around the lowered barrier* at railroad crossings. < 1285823426 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, my hummer can take on a train. < 1285823809 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard that killing a pedestrian is like a rite of passage for train drivers. < 1285823959 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can at least kinda-sorta understand people who are literally suicidal jumping in front of a train. < 1285823970 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it takes a lot of stupidity to just decide to try and beat the train. < 1285824014 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1285824570 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, linky? < 1285824643 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Nothing about people actually doing it, per se. < 1285824674 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: But US traffic regulations actually require in many cases that the crossing be designed to make this impossible *because people try it*. < 1285824694 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1285825100 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The concern of the regulations, for what it's worth, is damaging /trains/. < 1285825157 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285825218 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1285825281 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes. Damage to a car is nothing more than at most a handful of people dying. < 1285825316 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damage to a train is a gigantic mess and causes massive monetary damage. < 1285825326 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In addition to a handful of people dying. < 1285825609 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it's sort of silly to concern yourself with people who are too stupid to live, err, not doing so. < 1285825889 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285826286 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1285826331 0 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1285827573 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look at this: http://kevtris.org/Projects/votraxpss/module.html (The "method 3" is a similar method to how the internal ROM of the Nintendo DS was dumped. Something that was not meant as code was treated as a THUMB code anyways, and it worked.....) < 1285827718 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285828061 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1285828303 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yes, but WHAT THE HELL HOW ARE PEOPLE THAT STUPID < 1285828309 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, Praise be unto Darwin. < 1285829785 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any computers that allow you to dynamically modify the microcodes at runtime? < 1285830095 0 :tombom!~tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1285830710 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1285831483 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285831495 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285831955 0 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:32ae:1:4261:86ff:fe96:fca JOIN :#esoteric < 1285833007 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1285833599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1285833600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1285834905 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1285835561 0 :Kordalien!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1285837858 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285839290 0 :cheater100!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1285841296 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Welcome honored guest. I got the key you want! would you like onderves. of Yourself < 1285842024 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-239-28.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1285845619 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1285847421 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1285848073 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1285848289 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1285849069 0 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1285850022 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285853081 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.50.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285856012 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285856528 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285856528 0 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285856536 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1285856538 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ais523 < 1285856959 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Welcome to #esoteric, the intergalactic hub for esoteric topics in computing and programming languages | logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1285856965 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's important to have goals.) < 1285857049 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1285857152 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285857879 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-11-2.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285857912 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help languages < 1285857914 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :languages: Esoteric: 1l 2l adjust asm axo bch befunge befunge98 bf bf8 bf16 bf32 boolfuck cintercal clcintercal dimensifuck glass glypho haskell kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain perl qbf rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 underload unlambda whirl. Competitive: bfjoust fyb. Other: asm c cxx forth sh. < 1285858058 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!cintercal DO .1 <- #1 DO COME FROM (99) DO READ OUT .1 PLEASE .2 <- #1 (10) DO (1000) NEXT (99) DO .1 <- .3 DO COME FROM .1 PLEASE GIVE UP < 1285858088 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, worked first time < 1285858096 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it DCCed me the numbers from 1 to 10 in Roman numerals < 1285858132 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was reading about FizzBuzz, and someone commented that most of the people who applied for programming jobs couldn't even write a loop that went from 1 to 10 in every language in their resume...) < 1285858147 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, you can only put that specific loop once in each program, but there are ways to modify it to work around that < 1285858176 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was also trying to make the program as clear as possible, at least as clear as INTERCAL gets < 1285858195 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :allowing for the fact that I forgot where "add 1" was in the standard library, so just used a general addition routine instead < 1285858249 0 :Harpyon!~Harpyon@ti0031a380-0390.bb.online.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1285858643 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Do you have INTERCAL listed in your resume? < 1285858652 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a resume atm < 1285858658 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I would probably list INTERCAL on it if I did have one < 1285858669 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that I'm probably in the top 10 in the world for INTERCAL programming < 1285858689 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(how does my above program do for readability? that's as important as making sure it works, sometimes...) < 1285858716 0 :MigoMipo_!~John@84-217-11-2.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285858731 0 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1285858767 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for those who don't know INTERCAL, (1000) is the address of the standard addition routine; I think that's the only bit of INTERCAL-specific knowledge necessary to understand the program, if you know or can guess how COME FROM works < 1285858797 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could guess it was the addition routine based on the fact that you said you used one. < 1285858862 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could write addition out by hand, but it'd likely take several tries < 1285858864 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1285858871 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a reason it's in the standard library... < 1285858928 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks very readable, though. I guess you use .1 as an accumulator, and the addition adds .1 and .2 and stores the result to .3. < 1285858932 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1285858945 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's my Slashdot sig: (1)DOCOMEFROM".2~.2"~#1WHILE:1<-"'?.1$.2'~'"':1/.1$.2'~#0"$#65535'"$"'"'&.1$.2'~'#0$#65535'"$#0'~#32767$#1" < 1285858955 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.gog.com/en/gamecard/planescape_torment < 1285858957 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The loop-terminating "computed come-from" is lovely, if it works like I'd guess. < 1285858957 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants < 1285858968 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be golfed slightly more, but I was only trying to get it short enough to fit in the sigblock < 1285858975 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yep, it does < 1285858981 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming you're reasonably good at guessing < 1285859031 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sig addition would take rather longer to explain than the above code; not only is it golfed, but it uses a bunch of extensions < 1285859122 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: How incredibly coincidental; it's not many days ago that PS:T was discussed here. < 1285859130 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (I was reading about FizzBuzz, and someone commented that most of the people who applied for programming jobs couldn't even write a loop that went from 1 to 10 in every language in their resume...) <-- do you have intercal listed in your resume? < 1285859145 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ais523: Do you have INTERCAL listed in your resume? < 1285859158 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I don't have a resume atm but I would probably list INTERCAL on it if I did have one < 1285859167 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hadn't read that far < 1285859187 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: See, it's the same thing everyone is surprised by. < 1285859206 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was once asked how many programming languages I knew by a journalist < 1285859234 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I estimated about 30 that I'd be competent enough in to try to do work in, including about 10 esolangs < 1285859245 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd have no idea how I'd answer that question < 1285859246 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :far fewer that I'd be up to speed in without practice first < 1285859249 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a catch-all "esoteric programming languages" mention in the "hobbies" section in the not-really-up-to-date CV I've sent around. < 1285859262 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1285859264 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would that include languages I''ve read about? < 1285859270 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(e.g. I had to look at some OCaml code as part of my job this week, and I hadn't used that language for over a year...) < 1285859280 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: any language that you can write a loop that counts from 1 to 10 in, off the top of your head < 1285859294 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :typos, etc., are forgivable if you can correct them after getting a compile error < 1285859308 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, did you include stuff like sed and awk into that count? < 1285859311 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and dc and so on < 1285859327 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I haven't counted anything. < 1285859343 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1285859352 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, but in your estimate I mean < 1285859362 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my case, I don't know sed well enough to really claim competence in it, although I can use it if I have the info pages handy < 1285859367 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I hardly know awk at all < 1285859379 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(why would someone learn sed, awk, /and/ Perl?) < 1285859384 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know awk better than sed. sed I know a very limited subset of < 1285859399 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, sdpq and a few more < 1285859399 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't have an estimate either. I don't really know what is the "that count" you were referring to there. < 1285859421 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh I somehow read " I was once asked how many programming languages I knew by a journalist" as starting with "" < 1285859422 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1285859447 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: half the commands in sed seem to be grouped into s somehow < 1285859453 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you two should 1) stop having same nick length 2) stop sending lines while I blink thus making stuff jump a line < 1285859455 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People in school think I know a lot of languages, just because I talk about a lot of languages :/ < 1285859456 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably because they ran out of letters < 1285859478 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, "fizzie" is shorter than "ais523", it contains more occurrences of the letter i, not to mention that f and e are shorter than numbers in most fonts < 1285859484 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm? s is just... substitute iirc? < 1285859497 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: nope, e.g. s///e is how you call shell commands < 1285859502 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's substitute then do other things < 1285859513 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what do you mean shorter? same letter count, and you know I use fixed font < 1285859515 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my terminal < 1285859524 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you use a /terminal/ for IRC? < 1285859532 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you use your terminal for, say, programming? < 1285859533 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, everyone using irssi does too? < 1285859537 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC is something you have on in the background < 1285859566 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, but yes I use ERC in emacs running in terminal < 1285859566 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hopes he won't be late for school < 1285859579 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, tried that once for kicks < 1285859602 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I had a screenshot somewhere < 1285859608 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: more excusable then, although Emacs is perfectly capable of variable-width fonts < 1285859633 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emacs in a terminal isn't, though. < 1285859657 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost everything in a terminal isn't compatible with variable width < 1285859665 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only run Emacs in a terminal when I want to termcast it < 1285859676 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also, a lot of stuff on irc is fixed width. Like lists from various services < 1285859705 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And dbc's ascii-art. < 1285859711 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1285859714 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, I've just noticed that in this font, "fizzie" is actually shorter than "Sgeo" < 1285859715 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was ages ago iirc < 1285859718 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although only by a few pixels < 1285859732 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there was in... not more than five years ago. < 1285859785 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1285859894 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, bye all < 1285860003 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do so many power supplies for laptops and similar make a very high pitched noise when they are "idle" (not charging device and device is mostly idle) < 1285860055 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like they were designed by someone deaf. Extremely annoying. My thinkpad power supply is thankfully unusually quiet. Most other ones are not < 1285860083 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: mine old one actually had an alarm that sounded when it short-circuited < 1285860090 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wondering if it's connected somehow < 1285860101 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, um, it short-circuited? < 1285860102 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds bad < 1285860105 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(presumably my current one does too as it's the same model, but I'm unwilling to short-circuit it to find out < 1285860107 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it was bad < 1285860125 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was without a laptop for around a week, and the PSU actually caught fire for a moment < 1285860135 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1285860178 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a good thing that shutting off the power upon an electrical fire is a reflex action for an electronic engineer... < 1285860187 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm well this depends on load, and seems to happen during normal operation. Usually worse on older power supplies, but not always. And from what I remember it doesn't get much worse over time. < 1285860197 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, but how could it short < 1285860198 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1285860204 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mechanical issues < 1285860207 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1285860215 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the insulation between the positive and negative outputs had worn away somehow < 1285860240 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you left it connected for a week when you didn't use it? Or did I misinterpret " I was without a laptop for around a week, and the PSU actually caught fire for a moment" ? < 1285860247 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I unplugged it < 1285860252 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have been under the impression that the whine is mostly related to capacitors. I have a cell phone charger that has an absolutely incredible noise, though in its case it was pretty silent at first, only started being noisy later. < 1285860260 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that and is a logical and, it isn't meant to carry over context from one part of the sentence to another < 1285860265 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm < 1285860276 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's plausible, although it'd be a pretty dubious capacitor that made noise while it was working < 1285860279 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in theory, they have no moving parts < 1285860291 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in practice, they have a lot of parts which aren't always well-secured, as capacitance depends on the shape... < 1285860312 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1285860316 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, I guess http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor#Capacitance_instability -- "In the reverse microphonic effect, the varying electric field between the capacitor plates exerts a physical force, moving them as a speaker. This can generate audible sound, but drains energy and stresses the dielectric and the electrolyte, if any." -- is talking about the same thing. < 1285860344 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and I have one video card that makes an even crazier noise when it's doing 3D; but not in normal use. < 1285860353 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :capacitor microphones work by having one of the plates deliberately not fixed in place < 1285860373 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas for the opposite effect, it would be a case of the plate not being fixed by accident < 1285860373 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all PSUs does make a noise to some degree in my experience. Even my thinkpad one when idle. I just have to put my ear next to it in that case < 1285860382 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is rather lower pitch < 1285860417 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pitch will depend on the frequency < 1285860435 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't be surprised if laptop PSUs were switched-mode, and thus used a frequency much higher than mains frequency to operate < 1285860446 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it explains why the pitch is much higher than 50 or 60Hz, and not constant < 1285860453 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well I have an older dell laptop next to my thinkpad, it's charger makes a higher pitch noise and a lot louder too < 1285860469 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can hear it above the constant speed fans of my desktop < 1285860477 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are not exactly quiet < 1285860528 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, if the dell is loaded the noise goes away, same if it is charging. Just idle (and even more so, suspend to ram) causes the noise < 1285860542 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is definitely the power supply brick for it < 1285860612 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The noisy cell phone charger noise has this rhythmic component in it, and it changes depending on whether it's just plugged in the wall without a phone or whether it's actually charging the phone. < 1285860661 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway, if you listen at the PSU you are using atm I bet you will hear it makes some noise (if you are using a laptop, I never seen, or rather heard, this issue with a desktop, maybe because they are usually louder when it comes to fans and such anyway) < 1285860671 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I know it makes noise < 1285860676 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even mentioned that earlier < 1285860683 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I must have missed that line < 1285860697 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly it happens when not loaded, if you unplug it from both the plug and the laptop there's a faint whirring noise which reduces as time goes on until it runs out < 1285860711 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which makes sense, as the thing isn't being powered by anything but energy left in its capacitors when that happens) < 1285860786 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the issue here is really that for the dell "faint" is not a property that can be used to describe the noise. Something like "high pitched enough that anyone older than 50 won't hear it, and likely to induce severe headaches in anyone capable of hearing it" is more apt. < 1285860817 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION turns off the laptop and unplugs it < 1285861218 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other news, I was thinking of maybe applying http://www.cis.hut.fi/projects/mi/papers/mlg2010graphvis_preprint.pdf on that "people who talk with each other on the channel" graph. (And maybe plain NeRV dimensionality reduction for those writing-style points too.) < 1285861289 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(My long-term goal seems to be to make this the most visualized freenode channel evar.) < 1285862541 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285863008 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285863935 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.65.44 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285864115 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1285864130 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1285864141 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1285864253 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rehi < 1285864271 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: convert everything that's happened into the channel into a matrix, then extract its eigenvectors < 1285864274 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they probably mean something < 1285864274 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iher < 1285864575 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (My long-term goal seems to be to make this the most visualized freenode channel evar.) <-- yay < 1285864605 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:46:49 Also, it's sort of silly to concern yourself with people who are too stupid to live, err, not doing so. < 1285864608 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how do you convert the logs to a matrix? < 1285864617 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea < 1285864621 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah :D < 1285864629 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: except of course that train drivers who end up running into people get *serious* long-term psychological damage < 1285864635 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you didn't mean that < 1285864699 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and it is rather shocking for other people on the train too, though indeed the train drivers get the worst effects by far. < 1285864728 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah people on the train get shaken for a few days, drivers continue the cycle by jumping in front of another train :P < 1285864731 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:02:25 here's my Slashdot sig: (1)DOCOMEFROM".2~.2"~#1WHILE:1<-"'?.1$.2'~'"':1/.1$.2'~#0"$#65535'"$"'"'&.1$.2'~'#0$#65535'"$#0'~#32767$#1" < 1285864735 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the < and &? >:) < 1285864741 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: yes, it's HTML < 1285864746 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as with other Slashdot sigs < 1285864749 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and think of the people who have to clean up the mess too, can't be fun either < 1285864750 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks correct on the page < 1285864757 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INTERHTMLCAL < 1285864764 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the escaping's relevant due to trying to fit within character count < 1285864777 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could save one character by changing ".2~.2" to !2~.2' < 1285864782 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "I found something!" "What is it?" "Uhh... brain?... or something?" < 1285864796 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do that, then :P < 1285864796 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if it's golfable further than that, unless some of the sparkears groups can be omitted entirely without changing the meaning < 1285864810 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, please tell me that " acts like '' in intercal < 1285864821 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can do "abc'xyz' to mean ((abc)xyz) < 1285864822 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: no, " and ' act the same but are differetn < 1285864823 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*different < 1285864824 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, iirc in Sweden they drive out a special train with a water tank to wash the results off, rather than driving a bloody train to the nearest station < 1285864830 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that would be awesome < 1285864839 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise it'd be impossible to do grouping in array subscripts unambiguously < 1285864842 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: common occurrence in Sweden then :D < 1285864871 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty popular in japan < 1285864882 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[A typical suicide may cause delays between one and a few hours[citation needed] on one or more lines. The costs to the surviving families by the railway companies' "delay fee" is often in the 100 million yen range.]] < 1285864913 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Japan: Your relative killed themselves this morning. We sincerely apologise. The bill is £756,458.73. < 1285864914 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 yen is approximately equal to 1 US cent, isn't it? < 1285864916 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it happens a few times / year. It does everywhere but you don't see a lot of it in news. Simply because it has been shown that such can inspire other mentally unstable people to "copy" the act. < 1285864920 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's quite a lot of money < 1285864933 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: 0.8p < 1285864938 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rounding up from 0.75(6...) < 1285864943 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit more than 1¢, then < 1285864954 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless the pound has really fallen recently < 1285864965 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$0.012, apparently < 1285864967 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 1.2 cents < 1285864982 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(then it goes 005, but I'm not sure money that small even exists :-)) < 1285865012 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, 1) that cost is absurd.... 2) I can't think how they could figure out who did it... it isn't like the body is recognisable after such an event as far as I understand it. < 1285865040 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: In Japan, EVERY CELL OF YOUR BODY HAS A MICROCHIP IN IT < 1285865046 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You need it for the latest phones) < 1285865049 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1285865075 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just love how crass that is :D japan is so perverse... in more ways than one < 1285865086 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Recently, railway companies have begun implementing measures to discourage and prevent train suicides. This includes use of blue LED lights in stations, which officials hope will calm potential jumpers." < 1285865088 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what. < 1285865099 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, do they sue the lightning when it takes out the transformer station that powers the overhead wires? < 1285865103 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1285865106 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.65.44 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285865113 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: They sue the train driver for not stopping soon enough! < 1285865122 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: in the UK, IIRC Network Rail made a huge donation to the Samaritans so they could afford advertising at train stations to reduce the suicide rate < 1285865127 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the basis that it saved them money overall < 1285865147 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1285865153 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, did it help? < 1285865154 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there are little default-formatting, white-background Times New Roman posters for the Samaritans on the Tyne Bridge < 1285865161 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't know < 1285865167 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: all I can think is, why would you want to jump into something as dirty as the Tyne? < 1285865181 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's practically opaque! < 1285865192 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminds me a debate I saw recently about whether you should alcohol-swab someone's arm before giving them a lethal injection < 1285865199 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha what :-D < 1285865210 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, human waste or just "natural" mud or sand or such? < 1285865211 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they said that you should at least use a clean needle, in case the person giving the injection pricks themself by mistake < 1285865241 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, wouldn't that be lethal too? < 1285865252 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm not sure the /water/ in the Tyne is natural. < 1285865260 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, lethal injections are a mix of drugs, you need at least two of them to actually die < 1285865262 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ah, < 1285865270 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they give them in sequence < 1285865274 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1285865274 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be just excessive quantities of urine, filtered down by all the mud over the years. < 1285865278 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, IIRC there are antidotes, they just don't use them in executions < 1285865279 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: untrue < 1285865279 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, where do they use that? < 1285865281 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :US? < 1285865281 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you only need one < 1285865286 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: well, not the first one, anyway < 1285865286 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they give the others because fuck you < 1285865290 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first one's just an anaesthetic < 1285865298 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :second and third are redundant with each other, though < 1285865300 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, US < 1285865301 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in fact, iirc the extra drug makes it *way more painful* < 1285865315 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no death penalty in UK any more < 1285865316 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just one of them would do it with very high certainty, making the other one ridiculous < 1285865330 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course arguing about how to lethally inject people is stupid < 1285865333 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it was only repealed about 10 years ago, when they noticed there were still some obscure offences that carried it < 1285865334 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the real answer is not to do that :P < 1285865341 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, he < 1285865341 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed < 1285865343 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh* < 1285865351 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, High Treason was one of them, wasn't it? < 1285865357 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think one of them was setting an entire Royal Navy shipyard on fire < 1285865363 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1285865363 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: probably, that's the one everyone remembers < 1285865367 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :new life goal < 1285865378 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind-of difficult to do nowadays, given that the ships are no longer made of wood < 1285865378 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just trying to think of the mindset whoever does that < 1285865384 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay... let's set FIRE to all this crap! < 1285865390 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I live right next to Rosyth! < 1285865391 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAH! IT IS NOT ENOUGH! I WILL IGNITE THROUGH THE NIGHT < 1285865394 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: presumably to prevent the ships being used in wartime < 1285865405 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so if you spared one ship you're okay? < 1285865427 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A dinghy! < 1285865433 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the fire would have spread from one ship to another, back when the law was created < 1285865445 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH, some of the ships in Rosyth are nuclear subs. < 1285865463 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Ultimate_bf_instruction_minimalization! < 1285865466 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this even a BF dialect any more? < 1285865467 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So setting them on fire might end up irradiating Edinburgh, which would be A Bad Thing. < 1285865471 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has memory mapping! < 1285865476 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's Wrong with a capital W! < 1285865491 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Would it? Would it really? < 1285865497 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It *might*. < 1285865523 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is uranium flammable? < 1285865527 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1285865533 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : i'm just trying to think of the mindset whoever does that <- someone who works for a foreign country and wants to reduce naval power < 1285865534 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so are most metals < 1285865544 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for the really inert ones like gold and copper < 1285865563 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, can't you get gold to burn? < 1285865581 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shall set fire to the reactors, then! < 1285865584 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, surely with enough heat it should be possible to make it react with stuff < 1285865584 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I was referring to the Bad Thing part. :-) < 1285865585 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, gold is more stable than gold oxide, which has IIRC never been formed in a lab < 1285865594 0 :antivigilante!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285865598 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably if it was hot enough you might get a reversible reaction set up < 1285865603 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that wouldn't be burning < 1285865644 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, but *I* live in Edinburgh? < 1285865646 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*! < 1285865659 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: True, I'd be more sure about Glasgow. :P < 1285865690 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm things can burn in other atmospheres than oxygen < 1285865695 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no? < 1285865698 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As an Edinburgher, that is my defined purpose in life. < 1285865705 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't think gold fluoride exists either < 1285865708 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Irradiating Glasgow? < 1285865711 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, aww < 1285865715 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1285865717 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: aww < 1285865720 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ^ < 1285865722 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong nick < 1285865729 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's the only anion more reactive than oxide < 1285865735 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, killing Glaswegians! < 1285865736 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOLD FLOURIDE? AND THEY PUT THIS IN THE WATERR!J!IO!JOI! < 1285865736 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :glkhjn < 1285865746 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: But that's the Glaswegians' job! < 1285865750 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what about compounds? Or does that not count? < 1285865754 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's second only to killing the English, which is one's prerogative as a Scot. < 1285865767 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it could count in theory, but they're less reactive than the pure elements, generally < 1285865768 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, maybe aqua regia in gas form < 1285865778 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would that be burning, or dissolving? < 1285865786 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm, no idea < 1285865787 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, that's... not how acidity works. < 1285865797 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, oh damn, it relies on that < 1285865798 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's gaseous, it's not dissolving. < 1285865801 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't remember how it worked < 1285865820 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has to be in solution to dissolve things. < 1285865825 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, FOOF, you can't go wrong with that. If that does nothing, I have no idea what would < 1285865858 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, OK, that's pretty reactive < 1285865869 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but does it count as burning? I can't remember the actual definition by this point < 1285865877 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and it's oxidizing iirc < 1285865882 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOOF just goes bang, doesn't it? :P < 1285865888 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(even so, if it does react, I'd expect the gold to catalyse it into fluorine and oxygen rather than react itself) < 1285865910 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it seems you can make it not go bang by being extremely careful. For a handful of things < 1285865940 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can stop it from going bang by storing it at cryogenic temperatures, for one thing. < 1285865940 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc it went "bang" with a sheet of platinum coated with something (forgot what) < 1285865956 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, it still goes bang then. < 1285865970 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not if it's not reacting? < 1285865976 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well indeed < 1285865980 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*has no reactants present. < 1285866056 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1285866077 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, anyway you can't get it to react at non-cryogenic temperatures. Simply because it will already be gone then < 1285866089 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't stable at room temperature iirc < 1285866162 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm, what if you heat the gold up a _lot_. Thousands of kelvins. < 1285866162 0 :tombom!~tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1285866167 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and under high pressure < 1285866169 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens < 1285866194 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, high pressure increases the chance that the reaction will go in the direction that leads towards a smaller number of molecules overall < 1285866206 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt you'd get all the gold to react, though; maybe just a percentage depending on pressure < 1285866210 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay what about low pressure? < 1285866227 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :low pressure would make it more likely to go in the other direction, at high temperatures it would unreact any gold that had reacted < 1285866300 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why is gold so inert? After all, shouldn't it have one electron in the outermost shell. Unless I'm completely lost < 1285866319 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the spare electrons are in one of the inner shells, IIRC, or something like that < 1285866328 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1285866332 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that's cheating XD < 1285866339 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to the way quantum energy levels work out < 1285867782 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, if you dropped chemistry before university, you don't know how electron shells work. < 1285867807 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: they teach it at A-level here in the UK < 1285867818 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And at AH in Scotland. < 1285867822 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, the full quantum definition, explaining why gold doesn't have any outer shell electrons, etc < 1285867829 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, *before the last year of school. < 1285867838 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's better < 1285867840 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea *why*. < 1285867878 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I discovered that my school does an exercise which entails doing chromatography. On "DNA". < 1285867885 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's almost too stupid to speak of. < 1285867888 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: because it ends up symmetrical < 1285867899 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, there are reasons to do chromatography on DNA < 1285867922 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you replicate it a lot, split it at random points, tag each strand by the point it was split at (which can be done chemically without having to sort each strand individually) < 1285867930 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not ones which would be sensibly taught in high school. < 1285867933 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then use chromatography to sort the strands by length < 1285867942 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that gives you the sequence < 1285867958 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even at GCSE, we were taught that that was possible, and had an idea of why it was done < 1285867960 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although not the details < 1285867966 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/Smack-tux.svg < 1285867967 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat. < 1285867968 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor did we do it ourselves, it would have been far too expensive < 1285867975 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly. < 1285867978 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ha, don't talk to me about GCSE science! < 1285867993 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they've made a new course, "Twenty First Century Science", and then *taken all the science out of it* < 1285867995 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: single, double, or triple? < 1285867999 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, what? < 1285868002 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forces are not covered in physics. < 1285868002 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is news to me < 1285868005 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they weren't using DNA; it was dyes. They were taking lies-to-children to a frankly immoral degree. < 1285868008 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Half the book is ethical questions. ARE STEM CELLS RIGHT?? < 1285868013 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is *ludicrously* bad. < 1285868023 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then why did you *take* it? < 1285868023 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many GCSEs does it count as, anyway? < 1285868027 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :single science was bad enough as it is < 1285868027 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me repeat: FORCES ARE NOT COVERED IN PHYSICS < 1285868030 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal, if you dropped chemistry before university, you don't know how electron shells work. <-- true < 1285868031 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I wasn't given a choice! < 1285868031 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One, I should think. < 1285868034 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: single science, at least, is compulsory here < 1285868036 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Pretty sure it's one. < 1285868038 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Urgh... < 1285868047 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, calling it cheating was however an obvious joke, if that is what you replied to < 1285868052 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *would* switch, but it's kind of late now that I'm in year 11. < 1285868057 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I took all 3 at all times possible.) < 1285868057 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :double was what was given to even the worst-at-science children in my school, because single was so worthless < 1285868069 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :triple exists, but wasn't done if you were going on to A-level as it duplicated some of the start of A-level < 1285868089 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is actually the only case so far of the unit being better at education than the school. < 1285868096 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1285868098 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The unit were doing either double or triple AQA Science; I forget which. < 1285868104 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/Smack-tux.svg <-- context? < 1285868107 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :QE are doing Twenty First Century Ethical Questions. < 1285868113 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, I think I have as many AS-levels than GCSEs < 1285868117 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*many...as < 1285868126 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't help but feel that doing biology without chemistry (or chemistry without physics, to a lesser degree) is stupid as hell. < 1285868127 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is kind-of unusual < 1285868128 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simplified_Mandatory_Access_Control_Kernel logo < 1285868133 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1285868151 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the physics syllabus we were taught at my school was pretty bad, and wouldn't have helped with chemistry at all < 1285868161 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes... < 1285868163 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the chemistry and biology syllabi were pretty good, though < 1285868167 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Personally, I'm just treating my GCSEs as my ticket into sixth form. < 1285868172 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still waiting to be told how fucking magnets work. < 1285868177 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every course is *too damn stupid* to take seriously. < 1285868187 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Well, you'd need magnetic genitalia... < 1285868210 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :magnets are actually rather tricky < 1285868218 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to chemistry mostly being expressed in terms of electrostatics < 1285868220 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yeah, I would just like to confirm that no, nobody is imagining that the quality of education is going down because it sure as hell is. < 1285868229 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume it involves Maxwell's equations and the understanding thereof. < 1285868234 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I have objective evidence that the difficulty of A-level maths is going down, at least < 1285868244 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evidence: 1/6 of the syllabus was removed the year after I took it < 1285868247 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: :-D < 1285868249 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the same amount of credit < 1285868260 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AH maths was... pretty easy. < 1285868261 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was previously 5/6 of the syllabus was redistributed into 6/6 < 1285868267 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AH? < 1285868271 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you did the remaining 1/6, it counted as an /extra/ 1/6 of credit < 1285868271 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Andvanced Higher. < 1285868272 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard of AS but not AH. < 1285868275 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1285868277 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus making it easier to do A2 < 1285868277 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Advanced < 1285868286 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Phantom_Hoover is scottish, they have a saner education system there than in England < 1285868288 0 :cal153!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1285868290 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how they keep inventing new names for "Stupid People Course" and "Everyone Else Course". < 1285868294 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WE ARE PATRIOTIC SCOTS WE WILL NOT HAVE YOUR REPRESSIVE ENGLISH EXAMS < 1285868319 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: in England, "Advanced" and "Higher" are names of two of the grading tiers you can ask for exams for < 1285868325 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is a stupid idea /anyway/...) < 1285868334 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why can't they just have one exam that goes all the way from A* to G? < 1285868335 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, Twenty First Science calls them "Higher Applied" and "Higher". < 1285868338 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess which one's Foundation? < 1285868340 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Higher Applied". < 1285868350 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does this make any sense? No! < 1285868350 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, why can't they have a G grade still being meaningful? < 1285868365 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how does anyone manage to get less than C on a GCSE course? < 1285868366 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowadays, it's even more embarassing than a U because at least there's a plausible excuse for getting a U < 1285868368 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have to, like, try < 1285868379 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: well, U you can get by not answering any of the questions < 1285868394 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you got exactly one right, I'm not sure where the grade would end up after it was adjusted for UMC < 1285868399 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably around an E or F < 1285868403 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well, okay: how can anyone who actually ticks boxes for every question get less than a C? < 1285868411 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: multiple choice? < 1285868413 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if you ticked randomly, you'd have a damn good chance :P < 1285868414 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by being really unlucky < 1285868417 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I was speaking metaphorically. < 1285868418 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The SQA has a pretty huge number of courses as well... < 1285868428 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they actually have *3* idiot tiers. < 1285868438 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On around the same level. < 1285868459 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I could murder whoever decided GCSE English Literature should be anything like GCSE English Literature. < 1285868474 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISTR that at least one of the mandatory exams in England - the SATs, perhaps - had a bunch of really closely overlapping tiers < 1285868484 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, Scotland doesn't separate them. < 1285868485 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you had to figure out whether you were going for 7-9, 6-8, or 5-7 < 1285868494 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Language and lit, you mean? < 1285868495 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :English is literature and whatever the other one was. < 1285868496 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get above a 9, you had to do a separate paper and also the 7-9 paper < 1285868498 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adding another tier < 1285868510 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I don't actually have GCSE English Literature < 1285868511 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also have no English qualifications whatsoever. < 1285868533 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think it's mandatory now. < 1285868536 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was then too < 1285868539 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If not, I am so fucking ON dropping that course. < 1285868544 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: xD < 1285868550 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "I'm not doing English Lit... BUT DON'T TELL ANYONE." < 1285868551 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the syllabus was so stupid that I refused to do any work in lessons < 1285868564 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1285868574 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then the school, presumably "accidentally", forgot to enter me for it for fear I'd ruin the statistics < 1285868586 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My English class is sometimes so stupid it gives me a headache. < 1285868588 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You are my new hero. < 1285868589 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after I'd already got a U in the mock SATs, through turning up but not writing anything out of protest < 1285868606 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an N looks a lot better on the stats than a U < 1285868611 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there are loads of innocent explanations for one of those < 1285868619 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hadn't even considered that grades below, say, D existed. < 1285868635 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like the time we were given "discussion points", i.e. "asking lots of ignorant and disinterested teenagers what their opinions on things were." < 1285868637 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, I now realise - I didn't at the time - that I could probably have passed it anyway despite not having a clue what the exam was even about, just because the pass marks were so low < 1285868641 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : after I'd already got a U in the mock SATs, through turning up but not writing anything out of protest ;; did you just protest against everything? :D < 1285868649 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: not /everything/, but quite a lot < 1285868665 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Discourse on Hawking's comments on the beginning of the universe included "DIE DAWKINS DIE". < 1285868665 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was in either other year's classes, or solitary confinement, for quite a lot of subjects < 1285868702 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I skipped all the hassle and dropped out. But then the state decided they didn't much like that. < 1285868704 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do have a B in the main English GCSE, though < 1285868711 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Please tell me that's a literal quote. < 1285868712 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: well, I liked other subjects < 1285868720 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it is indeed. < 1285868735 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You made video, yes? Post video. < 1285868736 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an A* in GCSE Systems and Control, which was an excellent and properly difficult GCSE that ceased to exist shortly after I took it because nobody was taking it < 1285868740 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably because the alternatives were so much easier < 1285868769 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I was within the top 5 grades in the country, which was probably 99.5% as I dropped a mark on the coursework < 1285868769 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what's it about, in non-GCSE-subject-speak? < 1285868775 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it wasn't actually *said*, presumably because the teacher was intelligent enough to realise that asking us to actually speak about things would result in anarchy. < 1285868776 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it doesn't end with "Studies" < 1285868784 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: electronics, mechanics, pneumatics, etc < 1285868788 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I said literal quote. < 1285868794 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Oh, so it was written? < 1285868796 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1285868799 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was written on a big piece of paper which was passed around for comments. < 1285868810 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Sure it wasn't, like, sarcastic? < 1285868812 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the coursework component was famously difficult < 1285868826 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and had people spending an entire year trying to construct something electronic (or if they really wanted, pneumatic) < 1285868826 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I asked the girl who wrote it and she seemed serious. < 1285868848 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pneumatic computers < 1285868858 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THERE IS NO REASON WE DO NOT HAVE THESE OTHER THAN THE WORLD BEING WRONG < 1285868869 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ended up writing "Iä! Iä! Cthulhu ftagn!" < 1285868884 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I can think of a few reasons. < 1285868893 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: nobody took the pneumatic option, probably because it was too hard to get parts and also stupidly complex < 1285868895 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: YOU ARE WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE WORLD < 1285868911 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, pneumatics circuit diagram symbols are stupid < 1285868919 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, please design a microscale pneumatic transistor. < 1285868930 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, indeed, a microscale pneumatic *anything*. < 1285868983 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: incidentally, if you care, BlogNomic was won twice today < 1285868989 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and given how rare wins are, that's pretty spectacular < 1285869013 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: That's for future research. I am fine having gigantic computers. < 1285869020 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(MICROSCALE PNEUMATIC TRANSISTOR OMG OMG OMG) < 1285869034 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: there are relay-based computers still used in telephone exchanges < 1285869040 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1285869047 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they work and their failure modes are relatively easy to predict < 1285869052 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite the same, but still impressive < 1285869090 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I just looked at the timestamps and if I win I believe this is among the shortest BlogNomic Dynasties ever, if it’s not /the/ shortest: 32 minutes from Ascencion Address to DoV. =P" < 1285869091 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazing < 1285869098 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you should have said it "was once twice in one hour today" < 1285869102 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*said " < 1285869105 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's even more impressive < 1285869122 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really, that's from AA to DoV which isn't a legit way to count < 1285869128 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"new dynasty won within an hour", perhaps < 1285869128 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, true < 1285869134 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello hello < 1285869134 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Another 4chan favourite is Pedobear, a harmless-looking ursoid cartoon character who, despite his loveable appearance... you get the idea." --BBC News < 1285869142 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, did you even go near the GCSE computing curriculum? < 1285869168 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Um, I'm doing the ECDL course, which is a sixth form class in this high school/sixth form double-whammy institution. It's stupidly easy. Apparently after that I can do a GCSE-equivalent IT course. < 1285869182 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I am doing very few GCSEs -- not by choice -- and it will help inflate that number. < 1285869193 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am very, very angry that they are called IT courses. < 1285869204 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They *must* be renamed Microsoft Office qualifications, or I will burn down the building. < 1285869216 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you go anywhere near a programming language? < 1285869229 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-52-242.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1285869232 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Pfftahahahahahahaha! < 1285869237 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: at least they don't call it "computer science" < 1285869255 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT can be roughly defined as "things you do with a computer that aren't computer-science-related" < 1285869260 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I'm not actually sure if that's a bat thing. < 1285869265 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*bad < 1285869267 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ECDL is about *basic operation of Word, Excel, Access, PowerPoint, Windows Explorer, Internet Explorer and Outlook*, Phantom_Hoover. < 1285869270 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a BAD THING. < 1285869281 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: major programming, beyond simple scripting, is probably not an appropriate topic for a course that's actually about IT < 1285869283 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not have much better hopes for the GCSE-equivalent. < 1285869289 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: well, that's the stated purpose of ECDL, pretty much < 1285869302 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, have you seen a bunch of teenagers trying to code? < 1285869305 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the GCSE equivalent, at least when I took it, was much the same as that except with the names filed off < 1285869308 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT IS HORRIBLE < 1285869329 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember getting furious with the teacher when they insisted I printed off every page of a spreadsheet both in standard and show-formula mode < 1285869336 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: No, and I hope to never. < 1285869338 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because every page was the same on showing formulae < 1285869348 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I realised at the time that that's what they were trying to check < 1285869354 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shudder with the memories. < 1285869355 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I can at all help it, the first time I'll see someone else with a line of code will be at university. < 1285869366 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, the stupidity of trying to mark someone's spreadsheet ability with printouts is an entirely different topic...) < 1285869391 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The IT tutor they got for me at the unit was a pretty cool guy. I spent most of the homework time replacing silly Excel spreadsheets with Logo programs. < 1285869392 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: if it's any help, I find that people who haven't programmed before but have a good maths background are the people who it's easiest to teach programming too < 1285869397 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(remember I teach first-time programming) < 1285869400 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how long it took the idiots in my class to write a simple program that was basically equivalent to "read stuff in, sum some of it, then print it" took? < 1285869403 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which, of course, was just replacing them with slightly-strange-Lisp programs. < 1285869406 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1285869407 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/took// < 1285869408 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that was happymaking enough. < 1285869427 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: how many things? and what was summed and what wasn't? < 1285869432 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to try this as an INTERCAL oneliner for practice < 1285869434 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Agreed, although I have no experience teaching first-time programming. < 1285869450 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I have repressed the memories quite thoroughly. < 1285869459 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the people who've taught themselves VB or something like that often fall into terrible habits, but write programs that work < 1285869463 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It had something to do with CDs. < 1285869480 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are the people who you have to yell at a lot and teach the same thing incessantly to prevent them ending up on thedailywtf.com < 1285869481 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The teacher being a complete idiot didn't help, either. < 1285869499 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are also people who don't understand programming at all, pretty much < 1285869504 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even when you try to teach them < 1285869510 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideas for dealing with them would be appreciated < 1285869511 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and the Higher curriculum states outright that Unicode is 16-bit. < 1285869538 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about 20.05-bit, isn't it? < 1285869553 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1285869554 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which unfortunately doesn't fit neatly into most standard encodings < 1285869576 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably you could encode it in 20 bits by moving some characters into the areas reserved for surrogates, on the basis that you don't need surrogates in such an encoding < 1285869577 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have tried to tell the idiots this, but it doesn't appear to agree with what the Almighty SQA have decreed. < 1285869606 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking at the Unicode character set, it does seem designed to be encoded via UTF-16 in particular, though, so it's not as silly as, say, claiming it's 8-bit < 1285869610 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, I didn't actually *take* Higher computing.) < 1285869622 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, in some langs like Java, it's literally 16-bit, but that's arguably a problem with the language) < 1285869635 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's definitely a problem with the language. < 1285869664 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's hardly a Unicode character if you can't put an eighth of the codepoints into it < 1285869667 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the standard libraries support surrogates well enough < 1285869673 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nobody bothers to test for them in their own code < 1285869683 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the basis of how likely are you to find a Unicode character above 0xffff? < 1285869708 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus, in practice, it's only the BMP that tends to work properly < 1285869716 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That kind of defeats the entire point of Unicode, doesn't it? < 1285869782 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on what you think the entire point of Unicode is < 1285869791 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To encode everything humanly possible? < 1285869796 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's just "show these international characters that are likely to come up, and I need more than 128 of them", it works just fine < 1285869804 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's the /real/ reason people use Unicode < 1285869823 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We are talking about the people who encoded the schwa and the upside-down e in the pan-Nigerian alphabet differently. < 1285869824 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523: Agreed, although I have no experience teaching first-time programming. <-- that has to be painful. < 1285869829 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on observation < 1285869832 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most fonts don't even contain characters outside the first 65536 < 1285869844 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it depends, some people are much better than others < 1285869850 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode has 1 112 030 valid codepoints. Bit more than 2^20... < 1285869867 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well yes < 1285869873 0 :cal153!~cal@70.36.237.178 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285869881 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: good to know < 1285869887 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably you're excluding surrogates from that? < 1285869902 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surrogates and those xFFFE's and xFFFF's. < 1285869904 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what if you exclude precombined characters like é that don't exist in the most general normal form? < 1285869916 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, do you mean on the teacher or on the students? < 1285869917 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that there's multiple ways to encode them < 1285869933 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: both, but I was referring to the students < 1285869934 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, what about BOM? < 1285869947 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BOM is valid character. < 1285869951 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1285869953 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*codepoint < 1285869963 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: besides, the difference is around 100000, 1 character won't make too much difference in that < 1285869980 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reason why FFFE isn't valid is that its the byteswap of BOM (and one wants to know which it is). < 1285869996 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does using Mathematica as my calculator make me A Bad Person? < 1285870002 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well I had to endure such programming courses. Not that the teacher is bad, he is rather good. But the majority of the fellow students. Sigh < 1285870015 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, 63454... < 1285870062 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he seems do a good job even so. I know I could never manage teaching anyone who is not fairly accomplished already < 1285870102 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: maybe? < 1285870127 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbiab < 1285870127 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Hell, even in university I'm not going to enroll in any practical programming course. < 1285870131 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would just be painful. < 1285870135 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, here I have the advantage that people have to actually qualify for the course somehow < 1285870136 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just for getting quick numeric values < 1285870143 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With actual CS, the morons will drop out soon enough. :P < 1285870153 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: they're normally compulsory for any even remotely related degree < 1285870176 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. here at Birmingham, they have an actual-CS and a practical-programming course running simultaneously in the first year for computer scientists < 1285870183 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I help to teach the practical side < 1285870188 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAH < 1285870239 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least they're honest about which-is-which, sort of < 1285870245 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to think of an related joke at the expense of Oxford now and I can't; knowing someone who goes to Oxford, my duty is to disparage it at every available opportunity. < 1285870249 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the practical side is called "Software Workshop", which is almost content-free) < 1285870265 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as in, the name, not the course) < 1285870302 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, incidentally, I think I can prove that the most general form of conservatism in a CA is undecidable. < 1285870308 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Oh joy. < 1285870336 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider two components separated by some ridiculously huge distance. < 1285870347 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Main icon on the web page of Oxford's "Mathematics and Computer Science" course: < 1285870349 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ox.ac.uk/images/hi_res/5768_Mathematics_and_Computer_Science.jpg < 1285870352 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ $// < 1285870355 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ULTIMATE FAIL < 1285870375 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for ais: It's a Playstation controller rendered in those "artistic" black-and-white dots.) < 1285870380 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first will evolve such that one cell dies. The second is a TM which, if it halts, will give birth to a cell. < 1285870400 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY DO THEY HAVE THAT ON THE PAGE OF THAT COURSE? That makes LESS THAN NO sense. < 1285870406 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if that actually proves anything very interesting, though. < 1285870421 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Conservatism is only step-by-step, though. < 1285870423 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No? < 1285870429 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: The Playstation is a computer :P < 1285870438 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, step-by-step? < 1285870441 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: And neither CS nor mathematics has anything to do with a computer! :P < 1285870448 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they have a supercomputer made out of a Beowulf cluster of PS3s with non-upgraded firmware? < 1285870449 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: That is, one generation to the next has to sustain the cell count. And each generation is computable. < 1285870459 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: even if they *did*, it's nothing to do with that course < 1285870486 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, the CS & Maths course has a higher successful applications rate than CS. < 1285870496 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I guess the really stupid people don't bother applying for the former. < 1285870502 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1285870518 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, that "proof" is completely pointless. < 1285870521 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I *must* come up with a disparaging joke, however much research it takes!) < 1285870527 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It totally is. < 1285870532 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The TM couldn't just kill a cell like that. < 1285870538 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is indeed. < 1285870539 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: People apply for CS with applications like "I like WARCRAFT so I wanna do CS" < 1285870539 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the whole point. < 1285870547 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yeah :P < 1285870561 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: here in the UK, you often get approved for courses by computer if your grades are good enough, as far as we can tell < 1285870563 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Although I can't imagine anyone writing literally that on an application to *Oxford* XD < 1285870574 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :humans look at your cases in really competed courses, or for borderline students < 1285870577 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, OK, consider: < 1285870582 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd imagine Oxford really does look at every application by hand, though < 1285870584 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Idonno, people are pretty stupid! < 1285870606 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we have a spaceship, it must have cells born at the front and die at the back. < 1285870628 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This gap is causally separated. < 1285870642 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the general issue. < 1285870657 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: "Dear kindly sirs, I wish you to be aware of the fact that I enjoy the game 'World of Warcraft' by Blizzard Entertainment, Inc.; accordingly, I wish to read Computer Science at your institution of learning. I believe my enjoyment of the world-wide networked, computerised recreational activity will increase my enjoyment of the course, leading to greater success. Sincerely, Albert Monogram III, Esq." < 1285870671 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: So make it not causally separated? I dunno. < 1285870682 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Move cells around so they're in the right neighbourhood to kill them. < 1285870684 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I'd do. < 1285870689 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Albert Monogram III, Esq." is perhaps the greatest name ever. < 1285870702 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, so basically swapping cells is the only operation. < 1285870730 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'd imagine Oxford really does look at every application by hand, though ;; well, they probably have people just to discard all the junk they must get. < 1285870733 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Sure, I guess. :P < 1285870741 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: then that's someone else looking at them by hand < 1285870742 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: There's a bit more than that since you have the whole neighbourhood. < 1285870744 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well, it could work... < 1285870750 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Each 3x3 block of cells could rearrange. < 1285870756 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the way the UK admissions system works, you don't apply to Oxford unless you mean it as you can only apply to 4 different universities < 1285870765 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also, can't apply to Oxford and Cambridge simultaneously < 1285870783 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so people who don't really know what they're doing tend to pick 4 universities with low standards in the hope that one will accept them < 1285870798 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I'm being cynical today < 1285870814 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → food < 1285870842 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : and also, can't apply to Oxford and Cambridge simultaneously ;; haha, wow, really? < 1285870858 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAIR, although it was ages since I applied, now < 1285870883 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's great < 1285870888 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: err, wait < 1285870894 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my friend applied to Cambridge but got rejected and he's in Oxford now < 1285870896 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirch < 1285870897 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*iirc < 1285870899 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that work, then? < 1285870918 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a second round, IIRC < 1285870927 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not applying simultaneously < 1285870940 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may be wrong, though, or it may have changed < 1285871153 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1285871250 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Less than 2% of websites on Scandinavia's child porn internet filter is actually child porn" ;; what a shocker. < 1285871266 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl, boingboing headline -> reddit headline :: "Only 1.7%" -> "Less than 2%" < 1285871274 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we redditors can't handle decimals < 1285871302 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Less than 2 percent" is more SHOCKING. < 1285871332 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"LESS THAN 2? THAT COULD BE 1.1!" < 1285871344 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Less than 2%? That could be 0%! < 1285871374 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the kind of people thinking that would probably be more along the lines of "PEEDOS!!!!!!!! KILL THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" < 1285871417 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have it on unreliable hearsay that pædiatrics is now called child healthcare or somesuch. < 1285871429 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285871708 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, that virus that hit Iran was Israeli. < 1285871722 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure who to dislike more. < 1285871747 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaUkt59vY1Q < 1285871774 0 :lauanana!~lauanana@212-198-248-35.rev.numericable.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1285871865 0 :lauanana!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1285871954 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Less than 2%, that could be -100% < 1285871964 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was considering going negative, but my brain exploded. < 1285871975 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That means it's 100% granny porn. < 1285872166 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHYYY < 1285872166 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: For the Finnish blacklist, the guy who published (parts of) it got his site blacklisted, because "links to child porn == child porn"; also the list is secret. There's also no procedure for fixing any mistakes in the list, and the administrative court said being added on the list is not a "decision" and he has no right to complain. (Though recently the supreme administrative court said the administrative court actually has to handle his case. His site has < 1285872166 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : now been on the blacklist for about 2.5 years, so it's not exactly a quick process.) < 1285872175 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1285872186 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh yes, that; you've linked it a few times. Twice, maybe. < 1285872226 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: lawl your country is imperfect < 1285872233 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds likely. Well, it's still going on. Though I think rather few ISPs actually implement the blocking any more, and some of those that do make it an optional "service". < 1285872529 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And those that do... Don't most implement it via DNS? < 1285872537 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what was the site? < 1285872597 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: I'm not sure... I think several switched away from the DNS blocking system, to avoid blocking whole sites instead of just particular URLs. < 1285872605 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://lapsiporno.info/english-2008-02-15.html has the English summary. < 1285872636 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Choosing "childpornography.info" as the domain name was perhaps a bit provocative. < 1285872680 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As I understand it, there's quite a lot of gay porn on the list. < 1285872720 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION randomly slides back over to this window. < 1285872724 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's this about gay porn now? < 1285872737 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Are you sure you don't have a highlight for that? < 1285872739 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1285872759 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a highlight for it, I just SENSE it when it is near. < 1285872815 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, in short, Finland blocks gay porn? < 1285872834 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, you should use tubular bells in your next work btw. That and bagpipe. < 1285872847 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you do a google search for "gay porn", the first four hits are censored as child porn even though the sites contain no illegal images! Many have questioned if the police has something against gay porn, and this is something they simply aren't answering at all." < 1285872848 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ... yes. < 1285872850 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would appear so. < 1285872872 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, piano, tubular bells and bagpipe (Scottish I feel, Irish just isn't the same). < 1285872875 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be interesting < 1285872878 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very interesting < 1285872887 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Haha! The US is more progressive than you! FINLAND FAIL < 1285872902 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As much as I dislike exploitation of children, I really don't feel that child porn itself should be illegal. < 1285872923 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Put that quote on Facebook then try to get a job! 8-D < 1285872934 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That CP blocking is just security theater... < 1285872944 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making it, sure. But just having illegal images seems a bit too... urgh. < 1285872951 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: The argument is that it economically supports the production of child porn. < 1285872965 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Of course, this is mostly irrelevant; if the *production* is illegal, you can crack down on it whenever. < 1285872986 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And really, the demand is so huge enough that it's like saying that people shouldn't buy meat because then ANIMALS WILL STOP BEING KILLED! < 1285873012 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I am absolutely appaled that nude images of teenagers (especially self-taken ones) are considered the same in the eyes of the law as nude images of 5 year olds. < 1285873040 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It's also illegal to have, say, files like that in the cache of your email client, after opening (and subsequent deleting) of a spam message. < 1285873053 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Which is stunningly retarded. < 1285873091 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That, BTW, is one big reason why I don't think possession should itself be illegal -- pretty much any Internet-connected computer could likely have some. Especially ones without ad blocking. < 1285873112 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also the room for blackmail -- "I stuck child porn on your computer and I won't tell you where". < 1285873142 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yeah, and the punishment for it (in the US, at least) is far too harsh, just like for all sex offenses. < 1285873170 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also makes Freenet almost certainly illegal. < 1285873180 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Running it, that is. < 1285873182 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite. < 1285873184 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you store child porn on your hard drive. < 1285873193 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(No "if": child porn is like 90% of Freenet.) < 1285873221 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1285873225 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time to blow up all governments. < 1285873228 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need a fresh start :P < 1285873257 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Let's create the Übermensch! < 1285873260 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Oh wait. < 1285873309 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Indeed. May I propose a single people, united in a single nation, with a single leadership? < 1285873317 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to put some competent people as part of the govts. Like experts in their fields. Before taking a decision they should be forced to let actual experts scrutinize the proposal. < 1285873330 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: ANTICHRIST < 1285873332 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : time to put some competent people as part of the govts. Like experts in their fields. Before taking a decision they should be forced to let actual experts scrutinize the proposal. ;; congratulations, you have discovered technocracy < 1285873340 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: New issue: whoops, your universities are suddenly corrupt as fuck! < 1285873342 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did that ever happen! < 1285873348 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Please just tell me you got that :< < 1285873364 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: ANTI < 1285873366 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: CHRIST < 1285873386 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yeah, just chose to make a different reference :P < 1285873399 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hm... I didn't say they should be allowed to make the decisions. Just actually go through and point out issues like "caches and spam will make every computer contain illegal stuff if you do this" < 1285873399 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: We should clearly base the new nation on gay science. < 1285873402 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: How's about we find a benevolent dictator. And then make him immortal. < 1285873406 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HURR REFERENCE ORGY < 1285873413 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll be benevolent! < 1285873414 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, because most politicians certainly has no clue about that < 1285873439 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, say. The Buddha. We shall make the Buddha dictator forever. :P < 1285873445 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "Ah, yes, you cannot ban [abuse of academic system]. Because we say so." -- Profs who abuse academic system < 1285873456 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: LAUGH DAMMIT LAUGH < 1285873459 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, um. what? < 1285873469 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Tibet actually tried something similar to that, with its reincarnating government officials. < 1285873471 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Giving people power --> those people abuse that power. < 1285873478 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Giving geniuses power --> [ ] < 1285873479 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrrm < 1285873481 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fill in the blank. < 1285873493 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ah indeed that is an issue < 1285873495 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still waiting for a country which specifies that its official language is prescribed by a particular non-government agency to get couped by language-redefinition. < 1285873504 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Geniuses abuse that power TO MAKE GIANT SPACE-TRAVELLING ROBOTS < 1285873518 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, the current system isn't working well at all either. What about having to provide a rationale < 1285873526 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I don't know of any that do that. < 1285873538 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Well, we speak English :P < 1285873545 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure that would be enough < 1285873556 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: The USA does not have an official language. < 1285873564 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I suppose a case could be made that at least geniuses will abuse it in a slightly less stupid fashion. < 1285873564 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Exactly. < 1285873571 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: The USA would not be the country in question :P < 1285873576 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, true. < 1285873579 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : alise: Geniuses abuse that power TO MAKE GIANT SPACE-TRAVELLING ROBOTS ;; ITT: Entire plot of Ed stories < 1285873597 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: A language which declares that it has an official language, that the laws of the country are in that language, and that that language has a regulating body (read: most countries) are at risk. < 1285873601 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm < 1285873605 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm still waiting for a country which specifies that its official language is prescribed by a particular non-government agency to get couped by language-redefinition. ;; marry me < 1285873605 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/A language/A country/ < 1285873621 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEVAR < 1285873622 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT PEDO < 1285873627 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Does l'Académie française count? < 1285873628 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, hm, only about france has a regulating body like that < 1285873643 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Many languages have regulating bodies, actually. < 1285873648 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I assume it would be ruled that the legislature of France is written in the French language as defined by l'Académie française. < 1285873653 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Should that l' be capitalised?) < 1285873665 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, hm, not with the same power as in France at least < 1285873673 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Swedish is regulated by the Swedish Language Council, which has "semi-official status" but is not a government agency. < 1285873681 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Of course, it's not actually *law*, I imagine, so couping (TOTALLY A WORD) L'Académie française would have no real effect. < 1285873693 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IDEA: < 1285873695 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I MUST KNOW WHETHER THE L' NEEDS TO BE CAPITALISED) < 1285873704 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, indeed, and it is not perscriptive, but descriptive afaik? < 1285873721 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The council asserts control over the language through the publication of various books with recommendations ..." - Wikipedia < 1285873724 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, most I can remember seeing from that is "best practise" or such. No definite normative rules < 1285873739 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take over France! < 1285873763 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*prescriptive, Vorpal. < 1285873767 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: l'Académie française can only recommend. < 1285873768 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*practice < 1285873770 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, oops < 1285873782 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's prescriptive but not legally enforced. < 1285873794 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Practise is the verb, practice is the noun. (Note: This is super, super anal) < 1285873795 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Legally enforced" is such a wuzzy issue. < 1285873797 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SUPER SUPER ANAL! < 1285873823 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :l'Académie française has to be the most stuffy place in the world. < 1285873825 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: They have absolutely no power over the actual language; the government is free to and sometimes *does* ignore their suggestions. < 1285873825 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the body is named in the law of a country in the context of that country's official and legal language, it's probably in a dangerous situation. < 1285873825 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if l'Académie said that 'legal' and ill < 1285873827 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imagine how they talk to each other. < 1285873839 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*'illegal' were reversed. < 1285873851 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Did... did you just use a COLLOQUIALISM? SACREBLEU!" "Did... did you just say 'Sacrebleu'? DEAR GOD." < 1285873862 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Particularly with technical vocabulary; "email" is used instead of "courriel", for instance. < 1285873866 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: OK, so it's not a good example then :P < 1285873893 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But SO many countries have official languages, and SO many languages have regulating bodies, there must be one set up this way. < 1285873894 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, for the Swedish case I don't think anyone much cares about the council < 1285873903 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What's the non-e version of "courriel"? < 1285873915 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Dunno. < 1285873919 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Courril :P < 1285873927 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Vatican City. < 1285873934 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As French culture has come under increasing pressure with the widespread availability of English media, the Académie has tried to prevent the Anglicization of the French language. For example, the Académie has recommended, with mixed success, that some loanwords from English (such as walkman, software and email) be avoided, in favour of words derived from French (baladeur, logiciel, and courriel respectively)." < 1285873941 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Oooooooh! < 1285873958 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"My logiciel doesn't work! I'll send it to you by courriel. In the meantime, I'll listen to music on my baladeur." < 1285873968 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, it's a bit like "Svenska akademin", about the only thing they do these days is to decide who get the Nobel price in literature. The whole thing is absurd. Like pays for holding posts in it was specified way back and hasn't been upgraded iirc. < 1285873969 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Taking over Vatican City: MOST POINTLESS THING EVER < 1285873970 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff like that < 1285873978 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You could also do it with mainland China -- they define the semantics of the Chinese characters. < 1285873983 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, they make a dictionary too < 1285873984 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Pretty much < 1285873987 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is about all < 1285873992 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: <3 < 1285873995 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: *And ban ones they haven't defined.* < 1285873999 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LET US TAKE OVER THE VATICAN CITY AND CHINA < 1285874009 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :China would be a good prize X-P < 1285874041 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I propose we create new Vatican City legislation that demands that some Catholic sin must be committed every day. < 1285874053 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just need to change one character which is used to say that the relevant institute is the authority on language, to instead say that it's the authority on all laws and regulations. < 1285874059 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Orgies, envyfests... < 1285874060 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1285874076 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also Israel. The Academy of the Hebrew Language defines Hebrew. < 1285874082 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come now (no pun intended), it's time for the daily Holy See orgy! < 1285874095 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, if it was me I would make the law such that it depends on the version of the language in use when the legislation was written < 1285874108 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Only in hindsight! < 1285874109 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, we take over Israel, then! < 1285874114 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Only KNOWING my evil plan X-P < 1285874122 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: SUFFER THE LITTLE CHILDREN ON TO ME < 1285874124 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That's the British solution. < 1285874132 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Then we use its TOTALLY-AMBIGUOUS NUCLEAR CAPABILITY to take over everything else. < 1285874136 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, no. If I ever was put in a position to come up with a law about the language < 1285874143 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: THEY HAVE LAWS IN ANGLO-NORMAN FOR GODS SAKE < 1285874157 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, GENIUS < 1285874158 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Dude, are you really that bad at introspecting your previous mind-states? < 1285874160 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however it had not occurred to me to consider this before < 1285874162 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You would *not* have thought of that beforehand. < 1285874164 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll tell the Iranians now! < 1285874192 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well it seems obvious, should check the legislation into a dvcs of course < 1285874197 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same for the language < 1285874205 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you get that for free with some care < 1285874227 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes yes, that statement is absurd, intentionally so) < 1285874266 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[In 1778, the Académie attempted to compile a "historical dictionary" of the French language. The project was later abandoned, having failed to progress beyond the letter "A".]] < 1285874307 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1285874321 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE: < 1285874327 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1285874338 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WE HAVE FINISHED AD! < 1285874343 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[In 1778, the Académie attempted to compile a "historical dictionary" of the French language. The project never progressed beyond the letter "A", but was declared the official version of the language. French died out three weeks later.]] < 1285874410 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, http://www.mezzacotta.net/garfield/?comic=499 < 1285874423 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. The EU has official languages but doesn't define how one determines what those official languages are. < 1285874429 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, you don't love Smalltalk any more. < 1285874437 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is, it says "French" is an official language but doesn't define "French") < 1285874450 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is apparently a common setup for official languages. < 1285874454 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :veryy < 1285874542 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beryy < 1285874556 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, hm you can't define a language completely in itself I suspect < 1285874558 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :naryy < 1285874567 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crap, something is wrong with mah function but I doesn't know what :( < 1285874574 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One could simply define the language and thereby subvert the semantics of things. < 1285874586 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, what seems to be the problem? < 1285874595 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, but you could do a more formal definition. :) < 1285874622 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, or rather you can define a language in itself. But then you could get different stuff out by starting with different initial sets on the "first parse" < 1285874639 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I had to implement a deletion algorithm for a binary search tree. I think I got it (without looking at a reference, even) but I seem to be failing all the submission tests < 1285874641 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Define it in Latin, then. < 1285874647 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, how do you define to syntax used to do the formal definition < 1285874652 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, and how do you define latin? < 1285874676 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The official language of the Roman Empire, circa 0 AD. < 1285874676 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:D < 1285874678 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, if you need to have Latin defined for you, you clearly aren't EDUCATED. < 1285874692 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like I need to come up with more evil test cases, which I can do but will take more work < 1285874709 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I now define AD to be relative today. And "Roman Empire" to mean the country known as Sweden < 1285874723 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, get around that :P < 1285874740 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, then. We start by importing the definition of Lojban. < 1285874757 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and I have to do it with a tiny subset of scheme < 1285874898 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : pikhq, hm you can't define a language completely in itself I suspect ;; French should be defined in Latin! < 1285874929 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, well, I'm not sure if the Latin we actually *use* is from 0 AD. < 1285874946 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : pikhq, hm you can't define a language completely in itself I suspect ;; well, it's just finding a solution to L = interpret L's definition in L < 1285874949 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Classic Latin has changed very little since then. < 1285874954 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, that has infinite solutions, obvs < 1285874957 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, indeed... < 1285874978 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though the pronunciation used has changed rather notably. < 1285874981 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: easy way to define Lojban -- < 1285874983 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kilogram style < 1285874985 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :build a computer < 1285874990 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :put the lojban parser on it < 1285874994 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :put a magic lojban-interpreter on it < 1285874997 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :define that to be lojban < 1285874999 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1285875001 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It helps that Classical Latin was the conservative, prestige language, rather than the vernacular. < 1285875001 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't dispute atoms! < 1285875075 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : but yeah, that has infinite solutions, obvs <-- as I pointed out < 1285875076 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Parens&curid=3444&diff=18961&oldid=18954 Uh oh, zzo38 is turning everything into his crazy literate programming in MediaWiki templates thing. < 1285875079 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what about pretentious people who say 'v' as 'w' and always harden 'c's? < 1285875086 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you supposed some "initial language", which isn't true < 1285875091 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as there's interpretations all the way down < 1285875092 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone stop him! < 1285875103 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are just infinite consistent solutions to the equations < 1285875123 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, "initial language" is just to avoid endless recursion. This could be L. But it could also be any other < 1285875127 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Do people actually do that? :-P < 1285875128 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any of the infinite solutions < 1285875139 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, indeed. < 1285875142 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do it. < 1285875144 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The whole point of a self-definition is that it's "endless recursion", which is not necessarily an impossible thing in mathematics. < 1285875152 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're looking at this from a computational point of view, which is very silly. < 1285875155 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 out of my 3 Latin teachers do it. < 1285875163 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hm indeed < 1285875165 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Wery silly, Cecil. < 1285875171 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Kekil. < 1285875185 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Is that how you pronounce "Very silly, Cecil"? < 1285875190 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.. < 1285875199 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Somehow I don't believe you. < 1285875221 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My textbook appropriately indicates vowel lengths, as well. < 1285875239 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's actually necessary to distinguish some word endings. < 1285875257 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Puella" vs "puellā". < 1285875264 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I mean, do you pronounce "Very silly, Cecil" as "Wery silly, Kekil" *in English*??? < 1285875268 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1285875283 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I meant in Latin, obviously. < 1285875288 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAH < 1285875310 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The last one is correct. 'V' as 'w' is bizarre. < 1285875328 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would naturally pronounce "veni vidi vici" as "waynee, weedee, weekee", though. < 1285875335 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, really? < 1285875371 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, hard "c" is correct. < 1285875384 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and consonantal v/u as /w/ is also correct. < 1285875429 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you just said 'V' as 'w' was bizarre... < 1285875439 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was, and discovered I was wrong. < 1285875468 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah! < 1285875484 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, m or n after a vowel and before a consonant makes the vowel nasal, rather than being a seperate consonant. < 1285875492 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I would naturally pronounce "veni vidi vici" as "waynee, weedee, weekee", though. ;; That is the most ineffectual way of saying that ever. < 1285875502 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the correct one! < 1285875516 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't the real sound actually in between v and w? < 1285875517 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe not. < 1285875521 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1285875551 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's /w/ in the IPA, i.e. exactly what you'd expect 'w' to be. < 1285875571 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Except that that phrase would've been said using Church Latin. < 1285875574 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[x] rarely means English "x" in IPA, but okay :P < 1285875580 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Which sounds more like what you'd expect. < 1285875590 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: *Ecclesiastical Latin, stupid uneducated filth! < 1285875593 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CAN YOU NOT HANDLE BIG WORDS < 1285875616 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JESUS LATIN < 1285875627 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(namely, it's Latin with Italian phonology) < 1285875628 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FILES < 1285875628 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Note: these are the defaults as defined at compile time. < 1285875628 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /build/buildd/fortune-mod-1.99.1/debian/tmp/usr/share/games/fortunes < 1285875628 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Directory for innoffensive fortunes. < 1285875628 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /build/buildd/fortune-mod-1.99.1/debian/tmp/usr/share/games/for‐ < 1285875629 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : tunes/off < 1285875631 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Directory for offensive fortunes. < 1285875633 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FAIL < 1285875634 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Latin Jesus spoke before learning English (which, being good enough for Jesus, must be good enough for Texas) < 1285875662 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, there are binary .dat files in there. < 1285875663 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me no likey. < 1285875670 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The %-separated version is much nicer. < 1285875678 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC "magnus" should be pronounced "mangnus", but I don't think many people bother with that. < 1285875692 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A hypothetical paradox: < 1285875692 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : What would happen in a battle between an Enterprise security team, < 1285875692 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : who always get killed soon after appearing, and a squad of Imperial < 1285875692 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Stormtroopers, who can't hit the broad side of a planet? < 1285875692 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : -- Tom Galloway < 1285875693 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Curiously, it's at least *plausible* that Jesus would've known some Latin. < 1285875694 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- fortune < 1285875714 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: For some value of "plausible" assuming that historical Jesus ever even existed. :P < 1285875750 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: The existence of a man named "Jesus" born at 0AD is not in question. But, then, the existence of a man named "Jesus" born at 1990AD in Mexico is not in question. < 1285875768 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird@dinky:~$ fortune foo < 1285875768 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortune:/home/ehird/foo not a fortune file or directory < 1285875774 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That totally has the right format! < 1285875780 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You know what I meant by historical Jesus, foo. :P < 1285875788 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes yes yes. < 1285875798 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, don't you have to give it the magic strings file? < 1285875801 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. "a guy named Jesus born near 0 AD who did something or other related to a cult and the Jews didn't like him".) < 1285875806 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I DON'T WANT TO < 1285875813 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the %-separated format perfectly well! < 1285875832 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /build/buildd/fortune-mod-1.99.1/debian/tmp/usr/share/games/fortunes < 1285875832 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Directory for innoffensive fortunes. < 1285875836 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"innoffensive" < 1285875839 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try giving it the Magic Strings File? < 1285875840 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :COULD THESE TWO LINES BE ANY MORE WRONG < 1285875851 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Wait, what's the magic strings file? < 1285875852 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: um "veni vidi vici" is supposedly a julius caesar quote, hardly church latin < 1285875855 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assumed you meant .dat < 1285875878 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1285875880 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, IIRC you need to use the strings command to tell it where everything starts and ends. < 1285875902 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Self-modifying "Ultimate bf instruction minimalization!". Discuss. < 1285875940 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, *strfile < 1285875976 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah, http://esolangs.org/wiki/Ultimate_bf_instruction_minimalization! is cheating; it has NOP. < 1285875983 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: wut. < 1285875992 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strfile -c '%' foo.dat foo < 1285875996 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Oh, it's a random access file. < 1285875997 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LAME. < 1285876001 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want inefficient fortunes! < 1285876005 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should give you the file Fortune wants. < 1285876015 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't even spit out to stdout on default, sheesh. < 1285876024 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird@dinky:~$ strfile -c '%' /dev/stdout foo | cat -v < 1285876024 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(nothin') < 1285876051 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : -x Note that each alphabetic character in the groups of lines is < 1285876051 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : rotated 13 positions in a simple caesar cypher. This option < 1285876051 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : causes the STR_ROTATED bit in the header str_flags field to be < 1285876051 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : set. Note that it does not rotate the strings--that operation < 1285876051 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : must be performed separately. < 1285876052 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat. < 1285876070 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you're getting the files the wrong way round. < 1285876079 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: No I'm not. < 1285876084 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want it to spit out to stdout, instead of foo.dat. < 1285876086 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like *you said*. < 1285876098 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo.dat is the %-separated file. < 1285876105 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo is the random-access table. < 1285876110 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in the official directories it sure isn't. < 1285876134 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird@dinky:/usr/share/games/fortunes$ head -1 definitions | cat -v < 1285876134 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17th Rule of Friendship: < 1285876135 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird@dinky:/usr/share/games/fortunes$ head -1 definitions.dat | cat -v < 1285876135 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^@^@^@^B^@^@^DM-2^@^@^Hb^@^@^@ < 1285876138 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, well. < 1285876142 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I set the flag to randomise access to the fortunes in strfile? < 1285876149 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : -r Randomize access to the strings. Entries in the offset table < 1285876149 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : will be randomly ordered. This option causes the STR_RANDOM bit < 1285876149 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : in the header str_flags field to be set. (And really does ran‐ < 1285876149 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : domize) < 1285876152 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess so. < 1285876160 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: innoffensive are words that are so offensive you cannot even say them in a (very shabby) inn < 1285876162 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think Fortune needs that < 1285876191 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird@dinky:~$ strfile -rc '%' foo /dev/stdout 2>/dev/null | fortune /dev/stdin < 1285876191 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortune:/dev/stdin not a fortune file or directory < 1285876191 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortune:/dev/stdin not a fortune file or directory < 1285876230 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortune foo.dat doesn't work either. < 1285876234 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You LIED to me, Phantom_Hoover! LIED! < 1285876239 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need to actually give it the database of stuff, I think. < 1285876247 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1285876253 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can't just be given a random-access table and work out where the fortunes are! < 1285876260 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not < 1285876280 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just considered how to say various words in a completely unambiguous way < 1285876289 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the table says *where the strings are in the file*, not where the file *actually is*. < 1285876320 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people -> "human inhabitants of the planets commonly referred to as Earth by a tiny percentage of the native intelligent life forms" < 1285876323 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume fortune takes the name of the file, adds ".dat", then picks a random entry from the table and reads that from the file you gave it < 1285876334 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not unambiguous < 1285876353 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I hate life. < 1285876361 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which shows it is rather tricky < 1285876375 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it's hardly a complex system. < 1285876381 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Erm, all intelligent life forms that call Earth anything call it Earth. < 1285876390 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I very much doubt dolphins have a word for "Earth". < 1285876395 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, no. Swdes call it "Jorden" < 1285876397 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: But it's a bit of a rubbish one! < 1285876399 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chinese something else < 1285876400 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Oh. < 1285876400 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1285876407 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: English still has a pretty large marketshare, dude. < 1285876410 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo has the %-separated entries for the file. foo.dat says where those entries start and end. < 1285876411 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*market share, < 1285876417 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hm, not as first language < 1285876417 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hardly a tiny percentage. < 1285876420 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as second language yes < 1285876426 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Even as a first language. < 1285876430 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# < 1285876434 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/that line/oblivion/ < 1285876441 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: BAH < 1285876443 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, iirc there are more people speaking Chinese as first language. And Spanish too < 1285876452 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, how would *you* do it, then. < 1285876457 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dolphins would probably call it something meaning "Ocean" instead < 1285876460 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I just wanted to use fortune to display ~pithy quotes~ on my hypothetical website to show I'm cool and Unixy! < 1285876464 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WITHOUT scanning through the file each time you call fortune. < 1285876470 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, or something completely different < 1285876470 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That's great, but there is not a Chinese language. < 1285876470 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I'd probably just scan through the file each time you call fortune. < 1285876475 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're not *huge* or anything. < 1285876481 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: There is a Chinese language family. < 1285876484 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, sigh whatever < 1285876501 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I just go on the official statistics here. Go fix them in that case. < 1285876502 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much like there is not a Romantic language, but a Romantic language family. < 1285876519 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The official statistics are about on par with Japan's WWII claim that Korean was a dialect of Japanese. < 1285876549 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1285876566 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or their claim that Okinawan is a dialect of Japanese. < 1285876576 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, Okinawan? Wtf is that < 1285876582 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, vs. the sensible solution of simply *caching where the entries start and end*. < 1285876587 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okinawan is a Japonic language spoken in Okinawa. < 1285876587 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: are you basically dismissing pikhq's perfectly valid fact as irrelevant because most people believe it? < 1285876592 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote pikhq, Okinawan? Wtf is that < 1285876595 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, no. < 1285876606 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, um how is that funny? < 1285876610 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :231| pikhq, Okinawan? Wtf is that < 1285876616 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's funny because you're an idiot and can't use Google. < 1285876621 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: *romance < 1285876631 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Please defuse any revert wars before they happen. You can add a quote about my poor ancestry if you so desire. < 1285876633 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, why would I google. ais wouldn't either < 1285876640 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais wouldn't ask a stupid question, either < 1285876645 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Romantic languages are French. < 1285876646 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Japanese, the language is "okinawago", in Okinawan, it's "uchinaaguchi". < 1285876662 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It's a waste of time and a pain for creators of fortune files. < 1285876670 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: So BAH < 1285876672 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I CANNOT BE BOTHERED REFERENCING ANYTHING MYSELF BUT OTHER PEOPLE SHOULD < 1285876680 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Also, there's still no reason why it has to be a binary format. < 1285876687 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION refuses to feed the trolls :P < 1285876689 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1285876691 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, *it is a tiny command which runs almost instantly*. < 1285876703 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Also, there's still no reason why it has to be a binary format. < 1285876722 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no reason for it to be otherwise < 1285876729 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Humans don't need to read it. < 1285876730 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plain text files are the official unix way < 1285876738 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for everything that can possibly be plain text < 1285876747 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But saying "Chinese language" is a sign of complete ignorance. < 1285876759 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is so pointless I'm not even going to start. < 1285876781 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Up there with thinking there's an African language. < 1285876789 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: IT'S NOT IGNORANCE BECAUSE IT'S POPULAR < 1285876794 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The .dat file simply says where the strings start. It has literally no other information. < 1285876813 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hint for morons: Afrikaans is only spoken in South Africa, and is not the sole language, but just a lingua franca) < 1285876836 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: at least okinawan is in the same language family, isn't it < 1285876846 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, honestly, how can they run a country with no common language? < 1285876848 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: 8 bytes of decimal digits, followed by newlines. < 1285876875 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: fseek to a random number in the file size * 9. Read 8 digits. atoi. fseek in text file. Print. < 1285876880 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: What, China? < 1285876888 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, no, Africa! < 1285876893 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : pikhq, honestly, how can they run a country with no common language? ;; Swizzterland! < 1285876895 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: *sigh* < 1285876904 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I say, I say, that's a joke, son. < 1285876910 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Phantom_Hoover) < 1285876915 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, it is in the same language family. < 1285876923 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Switzerland: The only country whose name is in Latin for the sole reason that nobody in Switzerland speaks Latin. < 1285876929 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OBVIOUSLY THIS IS WHY THEY ARE POOR < 1285876939 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike korean. < 1285876944 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You see, if it was in German, French, Italian or Romansh, which people actually speak in Switzerland, then everyone else in Switzerland would complain. < 1285876949 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: On the Ryūkyūan branch rather than the Japanese branch, though. < 1285876954 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they picked a language that nobody speaks. Like UTC's impossible acronym! < 1285876962 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTC? < 1285876969 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: "Universal Time Coordinated" < 1285876979 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, in French, < 1285876986 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Universel Temps Coordonné". < 1285876987 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Also, it is believed by some that Korean and Japanese are distantly related -- as members of the Altaic language family. This, though, is controversial. < 1285876992 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The actual name in English: "Coordinated Universal Time" < 1285876998 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The actual name in French: "Temps Universel Coordonné" < 1285877011 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The solution: Instead of CUT or TUC, use UTC, which expands correctly in *neither* language. < 1285877064 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Colambda zzo has managed to make Unlambda imperative. < 1285877087 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know what to say.. < 1285877092 0 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285877111 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: About Colambda? :) < 1285877114 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh, and Okinawan & Japanese are about as close as German and English. < 1285877119 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, indeed < 1285877186 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still have no idea about zzo whatsoever. < 1285877281 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1285877340 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/RegexPL < 1285877378 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's /// but without the elegance. < 1285877404 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1285877451 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, incidentally, how goes the graph-based language? < 1285877520 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How long will it be until we rewrite the article on the wire-crossing problem to reflect the fact that it's so poorly defined as to be pointless. < 1285877681 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: about 36.4 eons < 1285877781 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but eon 8 ended the world! < 1285877789 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(^ Can you remember minor internet scares from years ago? No? GTFO) < 1285877815 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i'm too old to remember such things. YKGOML! < 1285877880 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, so we shall suffer from people speculating on a question that has never been meaningful forever? < 1285878117 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...when did you last see much speculation on it, really... < 1285878124 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that was new) < 1285878131 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you are correct! < 1285878150 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps this is the cause of the recent decline in graph-based esolangs! < 1285878169 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can someone kindly tell zzo38 not to edit pages on the wiki just to add little file headers for his crazy literate programming via MediaWiki templates system? < 1285878204 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A graph-based esolang in which only planar graphs are allowed would be rather cool, though. < 1285878220 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Parens&diff=prev&oldid=18961 < 1285878221 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=UBFIM_interpreter&diff=prev&oldid=18778 < 1285878244 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: he _clearly_ invited you to discuss the change on the Talk:Parens page < 1285878263 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there an algorithm for determining if a given graph is nonplanar, though? IIRC there's a longstanding question over the matter. < 1285878267 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, yes, but knowing zzo38 that'd only apply to [[Parens]], not [[UBFIM interpreter]] < 1285878278 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: also, I have no idea about how to go about convincing zzo38 of something < 1285878355 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, threats? < 1285878365 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1285878369 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is he particularly bloody-minded, or what? < 1285878380 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I've never seen him change his mind. < 1285878465 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (^ Can you remember minor internet scares from years ago? No? GTFO) <-- can you remember the y2k scare? < 1285878478 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one was major though < 1285878491 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe. Dunno if I was paying attention to that stuff when I was 4-5. < 1285878502 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y2038! < 1285878516 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, my point exactly :P < 1285878532 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yes there is an algorithm, it is supposedly polynomially decidable < 1285878559 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something about checking if K_3,3 or K_5 graphs are minors < 1285878671 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planar_graph < 1285878737 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In practice, it is difficult to use Kuratowski's criterion to quickly decide whether a given graph is planar. However, there exist fast algorithms for this problem: for a graph with n vertices, it is possible to determine in time O(n) (linear time) whether the graph may be planar or not (see planarity testing)." < 1285878887 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planarity_testing < 1285881141 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Nasty is a program that helps you to recover the passphrase of your PGP or GPG-key in case you forget or lost it. It is mostly a proof-of-concept: with a different implementation this program could be at least 100x faster." < 1285881147 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone tell me the most absurdly inappropriate use of Comic Sans you've ever seen! < 1285881150 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vanheusden.com/nasty/ < 1285881299 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@121-74-70-79.telstraclear.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285881299 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1285881299 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1285881477 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285881500 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.50.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285882094 0 :alise_!~alise@91.105.121.13 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285882239 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: By a wide, wide margin: http://www.unix.org/ < 1285882242 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1285882263 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, ... < 1285882276 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that just outstanding? < 1285882284 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My current example is a request for information on a murder, but that comes a close second. < 1285882297 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Brainfucked Lone Wolf is a space combat game completely written by hand in brainfuck (i.e. no translating tool or the like was used). < 1285882297 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.49-6-dev.net/tblwen.htm < 1285882332 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Really? The fact that, aside from how absurd it is, Comic Sans is a MICROSOFT font doesn't push mine over the top? < 1285882360 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, OK, I'll mention that when stating its history. < 1285882391 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you writing that you need this information? :P < 1285882405 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to write an English essay. < 1285882424 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I picked "Comic Sans: A Sad Indictment of Our Times" as a subject. < 1285882432 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: See also the top-left of http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a379/GregorRichards/MyCubicle.jpg < 1285882459 0 :alise__!~alise@91.104.247.176 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285882472 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, nice to see you hold an appropriate appreciation for the diæresis. < 1285882480 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1285882535 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: In fact, while you're also also seeing that, see also http://spamusers.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=13387&start=0#p248512 < 1285882539 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An extremely epic response to that. < 1285882555 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1285882614 0 :alise_!~alise@91.105.73.37 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285882670 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, ...I cannot write a better essay. < 1285882679 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SORRY < 1285882688 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To ruin your day and all X-P < 1285882707 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh. < 1285882714 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll palm it off as my own work! < 1285882718 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plagiarism FTW! < 1285882723 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1285882747 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it funny how I'm a font of Comic-Sans-related information? X-P < 1285882869 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what do I say to people who say it's more readable. < 1285882894 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are studies and such that support that assertion. < 1285882897 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about "...?!?!?!?!?!" < 1285882923 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, you suggest they use http://codu.org/gregor_handwriting.ttf < 1285882923 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Say that perhaps it is more readable than Arial or Times New Roman with close-together lines, bad use of whitespace, and other typographical mishaps. < 1285882931 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it is certainly worse than a well-typeset work. < 1285882935 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, of course. < 1285882953 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm typesetting this in LyX, BtW.) < 1285882964 0 :MigoMipo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1285882979 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pfff < 1285882987 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LyX is LaTeX for pussies. < 1285882990 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is. < 1285882990 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: LaTeX, bitch. < 1285882993 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Memoir class. < 1285882994 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I am a pussy. < 1285882995 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real men vim their LaTeX. < 1285882996 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use it or die. < 1285882999 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: No. < 1285883005 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AUCTeX! < 1285883008 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I _do not have time_ to learn LaTeX. < 1285883020 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor to pick up the basics. < 1285883021 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: (Guesses that's an IDE) IDEs are for pussies. < 1285883022 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's okay because you only have to know like 5 commands to write a paper on Comic Sans. < 1285883032 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: No. < 1285883039 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It's an Emacs mode for LaTeX. < 1285883040 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: The best. < 1285883043 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought LyX was basically an IDE for LaTeX? < 1285883046 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Nope. < 1285883050 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: Emacs is just vim for pussies. < 1285883054 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It spits out its own weird format that is LaTeX written entirely in LyX library commands. < 1285883059 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is fucked up. < 1285883060 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O.o < 1285883083 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I shall commit this sin. < 1285883086 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: vim is just an editor designed with ergonomics and HCI in mind for pussies. < 1285883087 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: An IDE for LaTeX is like an IDE for C++; you still write LaTeX, it just gives you some help. LyX is a WYSIWYG editor for LaTeX. So, y'know, difference *shrugs* < 1285883098 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: OH SNAP NOW NONE OF US CAN RETORT < 1285883147 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to think of a sentence ending in "for pussies" but utilizing the dual meaning to change the topic, but I can't. < 1285883156 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Triple meaning, really. < 1285883275 0 :alise__!~alise@91.105.89.19 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285883294 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu < 1285883356 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1285883371 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1285883388 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: lolcode is for pussies < 1285883398 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*clapclap* < 1285883433 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pussies are for pussies < 1285883454 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pussies are for dicks < 1285883461 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(couldn't resist) < 1285883480 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :POOPPY < 1285883484 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Are the mating habits of quarks really the subject of ephemeral ontologists? Or would they be more suited discussing http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D? < 1285883498 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Are the mating habits of quarks really the subject of ephemeral ontologists? Or would they be more wealthy discussing http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D? < 1285883515 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : pussies are for dicks ;; HOW DO YOU KNOW I WASN'T MAKING A LESBIAN JOKE < 1285883521 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was actually just trying to set that one up.) < 1285883541 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[In July 2010, Ascender Corp introduced new versions titled Comic Sans 2010. This included two new fonts: Italic and Bold Italic. The Comic Sans 2010 fonts were designed by Terrance Weinzierl and Steve Matteson and include extensive OpenType typographic features.[2]]] KILL ME NOW < 1285883548 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes that thing! < 1285883552 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mentioned that earlier. <3 < 1285883674 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :God why do I have to be so scrupulously accurate even with this? < 1285883702 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I _just looked up Microsoft Bob_ to make sure I was using the correct term for it < 1285883793 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oot, italicized comic sans < 1285883799 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1285883807 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^^the above is not to be taken seriously < 1285883817 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION still goes into hiding < 1285883951 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, with wordart style shadow! < 1285883967 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god, what sort of typographical monster did I just create < 1285884134 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember when WordArt was the height of graphical design in our school. < 1285884141 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*my < 1285884143 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1285884290 0 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.115.83.45 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285884295 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi :-) < 1285884441 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So wait, I'm not a True Nerd if I don't use LaTeX? < 1285884459 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@128.198.97.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285884482 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: if you're an ultra-nerd you _might_ use plain tex instead < 1285884495 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought only zzo did that... < 1285884502 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Please, spam pages, such as Payday Loans, are not welcome here. The purpose of this wiki is not for advertising companies, but rather for discussing esoteric programming languages. If you make similarly unconstructive contributions in future, you may be blocked. --ais523 20:58, 30 September 2010 (UTC)]] < 1285884502 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he does < 1285884504 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how understanding... < 1285884517 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: we know he does < 1285884520 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't know if only he does < 1285884522 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no, at least one other does. < 1285884526 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Knuth, for instance < 1285884528 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one guy whose site i forget < 1285884532 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1285884536 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Knuth is to be expected. < 1285884540 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess Knuth can be excused < 1285884543 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's freaking Knuth, after all. < 1285884547 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :excused, there's nothing wrong with it < 1285884555 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay < 1285884555 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just crazy to not use latex when you're doing exactly what latex does :) < 1285884560 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1285884566 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/07/CornstarchCymatics_cc.jpg aieeee < 1285884583 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise__, thus excused from the crazyness. Because he designed it and thus knows it well < 1285884592 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably better than he knows LaTeX < 1285884602 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while the guy who created LaTeX probaly will use it < 1285884615 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did someone suggest a cool URL to me a couple of weeks ago for a new programming games site? < 1285884618 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/07/CornstarchCymatics_cc.jpg aieeee <-- what is it? < 1285884636 0 :Wamanuz2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285884652 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leslie_Lamport < 1285884666 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: dunno < 1285884673 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise__, what is it!? < 1285884674 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: cornstarch/water mix (oobleck) with a sine wave < 1285884677 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :applied to it < 1285884683 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1285884684 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :producing OH GOD IT'S SCARY < 1285884684 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise__, cool! < 1285884692 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S FREAKING SCARY < 1285884693 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UGH < 1285884696 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just imagine touching it < 1285884705 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise__, I assume the effect would vary depending on the shape of the container? < 1285884710 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess so < 1285884713 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've mucked around with oobleck before and it's fun except < 1285884716 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to getting different standing waves and such < 1285884717 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you leave it on your hands < 1285884719 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it solidifies < 1285884721 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is just great < 1285884732 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise__, is it? < 1285884762 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A distributed system is one in which the failure of a computer you didn't even know existed can render your own computer unusable." < 1285884774 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, XD < 1285884780 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, cornstarch suspension. < 1285884782 0 :Wamanuz!~Markus@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285884788 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : alise__, is it? < 1285884791 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's freaky < 1285884795 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it stops going very liquidy after a while < 1285884806 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's freaky in an awesome way. < 1285884812 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean on your hands < 1285884814 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's freaky in a bad way < 1285884814 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ferrofluid is similarly awesome. < 1285884815 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after a while < 1285884820 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise__, ah < 1285884823 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ferrofluid is amazing < 1285884825 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you mean that dry crusty stuff. < 1285884828 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise__, dries quickly? < 1285884828 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's horrible. < 1285884832 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: not quickly < 1285884834 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in a few minutes < 1285884835 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same with mud. < 1285884836 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it stops going liquidy < 1285884836 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1285884843 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: before that, if you hit it it resists < 1285884846 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you sink your hands in < 1285884847 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it lets you through < 1285884852 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-newtonian fluids ftw < 1285884860 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise__, ah yeah the wonders of non-newtonian fluids < 1285884862 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw < 1285884862 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun, but gets boring quickly < 1285884890 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ketchup is non-newtonian, how crazy is that?! < 1285884892 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :custard too < 1285884895 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and *blood* < 1285884896 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and shampoo < 1285884897 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and paint < 1285884912 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Welcome honored guest. I got the key you want! would you like onderves. of Yourself < 1285884919 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise__, I seem to have had a case of "synchronicity" with regards to the phrase "Non-Newtonian fluid" the last few weeks. Seen it in various contexts. More more than normal. < 1285884922 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Newtonian_fluid#Summary < 1285884923 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, such things happen < 1285884930 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :always a bit jarring though < 1285884931 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: baader-meinhof, probably < 1285884936 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you see it once, your brain starts thinking about it < 1285884944 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pays attention to "non-newtonian fluid" more than it otherwise would < 1285884947 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes you think it's more common < 1285884958 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc, it may have also gained attention somewhere and rippled through the internet < 1285884961 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise__, I actually seen the words several times before the last few weeks, just not as often < 1285884962 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard to detect these things < 1285884978 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise__, or just pure chance < 1285884980 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be that too < 1285884994 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. < 1285885133 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise__, did I tell you about the SSID/encryption coincidence? < 1285885142 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise__, I don't remember if you was in the channel back then < 1285885158 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1285885161 0 :Wamanuz!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285885161 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure it's enthralling. < 1285885223 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise__, okay. Do you know about encfs? < 1285885246 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise__, fuse thingy, encrypts files, not a volume < 1285885251 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :including encrypting filenames < 1285885253 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go on. < 1285885295 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise__, well I use a random SSID for my wlan. [0-9A-Za-z_-]+ basically. It happened I set up an encrypted encfs volume. I looked at the folder where it stored the encrypted files. With Encrypted file names < 1285885308 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise__, one of the filenames matched my SSID for the first 11 chars < 1285885317 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A whole ELEVEN CHARS! < 1285885319 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise__, that seems extremely unlikely < 1285885328 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise__, yes but look at the phase space < 1285885331 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is unlikely < 1285885340 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise__, the filenames are base64 as far as I can tell < 1285885343 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not a small range < 1285885346 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And as we all know, anything below a certain probability is impossible. < 1285885353 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1285885358 0 :Harpyon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Harpyon < 1285885377 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise__, just rather improbable. Had it been hex for both I wouldn't have been surprised. But the range is a lot larger < 1285885392 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise__, and you don't need to try to troll me :P < 1285885397 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's unbareable. < 1285885401 0 :alise__!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :alise < 1285885448 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ais found it rather unlikely iirc when I mentioned it (he was here then) < 1285885456 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it's unlikely. < 1285885461 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, indeed < 1285885473 0 :Harpyon!~Harpyon@ti0031a380-0390.bb.online.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1285885475 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, so why those sarcastic remarks :P < 1285885519 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just how I rôle. < 1285885528 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't often you run into such coincidences. Just because it is bound to happen sooner or later doesn't mean you shouldn't marvel at it when it does. < 1285885560 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, whats with the ^ ? < 1285885651 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1285885704 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's correct. < 1285885711 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like café. < 1285885724 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hm < 1285885747 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although rôle is (much) more obscure than café is. < 1285885760 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a pun on "That's just how I roll", so I decided to make it as silly as possible. < 1285885799 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, indeed. Took a few seconds to figure out (due to the phrase you just mentioned coming to mind) < 1285885814 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Continuing: < 1285885815 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : That's unbareable. < 1285885830 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I didn't notice that one < 1285885838 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I read it as "unbearable" < 1285885846 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googles "unbareable" < 1285885876 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No definitions were found for unbareable. and yet "About 20,200 results (0.14 seconds) " < 1285885878 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1285885888 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of typos it seems < 1285885998 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OEM: what does it stand for? < 1285886010 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, context? Computers? < 1285886012 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so: < 1285886022 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Original Equipment Manufacture < 1285886031 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Manufacturer* < 1285886032 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even < 1285886040 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So in the context of, say, Windows 95? < 1285886056 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, "Original Equipment Manufacturer" < 1285886060 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :modulo typos < 1285886079 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And this indicates? < 1285886090 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That that copy of Windows is for OEMs < 1285886091 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's made by someone other than Microsoft? < 1285886095 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember, selling conditions < 1285886097 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google < 1285886098 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Errm... < 1285886115 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so it's to be packaged with hardware made by other companies? < 1285886127 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems about right < 1285886137 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Preinstalled Windows, basically < 1285886138 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1285886328 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: pretty much < 1285886335 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dell installs OEM Windows 95 on their computers < 1285886480 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night → < 1285886505 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal's notation is innately inferior to mine. < 1285886529 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It's actually oklopol's notation, bastardising the true minus-greater-than sequence into a Unicode whore. < 1285886542 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But -> is the direction of you walking out of the channel. < 1285886547 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't walk to sleep. Sleep isn't a place. < 1285886555 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You walk outside the IRC window, which is defined to be to the right. < 1285886558 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry to say but Vorpal has it right here. < 1285886574 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can walk to sleep! < 1285886578 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I go to sleep! < 1285886598 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The OEM license is also notable for (at least attempting to be) non-transferable; you're not supposed to install it on any other computer than the one it "comes with". < 1285886901 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1285887095 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Gregor: What's that crazy meta-OS you guys are doing? < 1285887119 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microcosm. < 1285887132 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If by "doing" you mean "not doing". < 1285887138 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, Gregor, did you get that VFS sorted out or have you just abandoned it? < 1285887167 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's totally a ripoff of my idea of user-space POSIX. < 1285887178 0 :Harpyon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Harpyon < 1285887292 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's only been 2 months since anyone last made a commit! < 1285887313 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WRONG 8 WEEKS < 1285887327 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wow I didn't even realise that until I said it. < 1285887333 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My stupidity is... palatable. < 1285887345 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote It's only been 2 months since anyone last made a commit! WRONG 8 WEEKS < 1285887399 0 :Harpyon!~Harpyon@ti0031a380-0390.bb.online.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1285887402 0 :Harpyon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1285887412 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :232| It's only been 2 months since anyone last made a commit! WRONG 8 WEEKS < 1285887445 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1285887446 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :34|SUPLENTES EN UN UNIVERSO (MUSSOLINI CUANDO CONQUISTO EL MUNDO): i tan solo puede concluir que es defectuoso, o el mundo esta absolutamente loco. Todos a la gloria Il Duce! < 1285887453 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1285887455 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :127| Discrimination fields ACTIVATE. < 1285887459 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1285887460 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :116| s/Hebrew/senile/ < 1285887463 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1285887466 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :216| alise: so parrot was based around gcc? < 1285887475 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1285887479 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :232| It's only been 2 months since anyone last made a commit! WRONG 8 WEEKS < 1285887481 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1285887485 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :52| Apple = Windows. < 1285887494 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1285887496 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :53| anyway, torture would be fun to experience, true should put that on my todo list < 1285887500 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1285887503 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :72| ignore me, i'm full of bullshit < 1285887508 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1285887510 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1285887513 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1285887519 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :104| I'm 100% of what sort of magic was involved in it < 1285887525 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :154| sekuoir: that's just gay sex I am learning though! < 1285887525 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :91| actually just ate some of the dog food because i didn't have any human food... after a while they start tasting like porridge < 1285887862 0 :cybergirl!~cybergirl@212-198-248-35.rev.numericable.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1285887897 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how many billions of men have used the nick "cybergirl". < 1285887921 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1285887948 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1285887949 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :84| Porn. There, see? < 1285887952 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1285887953 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1285887955 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1285887956 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :158| Darn, now I can't acknowledge the reference you were making. < 1285888016 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1285888017 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1285888025 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :206| i think of languages as tools, there is no holy grail of languages even if there's no holy grail, that doesn't mean cups of crap is ok < 1285888028 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :115| hmm... does anyone know a nonsense game designed for the mentally handicapped involving yelling < 1285888037 0 :cybergirl!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1285888047 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We scared away the cyber girl! Oh no! < 1285888185 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1285888574 0 :Harpyon!~Harpyon@ti0031a380-0390.bb.online.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1285888633 0 :Harpyon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1285889406 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1285889426 0 :Mathnerd314_!~mathnerd3@128.198.97.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285889455 0 :Mathnerd314_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Mathnerd314 < 1285889994 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :urgh < 1285889998 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like stoner rock < 1285890035 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are OpenBSD's security concerns with hybrid IPv4/IPv6 stack? < 1285890084 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285890806 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION worships 192.88.99.1 < 1285890915 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a typo in 192.88.99.1's whois info < 1285891127 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's 192.88.99.1 ?