< 1286064098 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : yeah oerjan realised that you dipshit <-- well strictly speaking i only realized it after putting it into HackEgo < 1286064305 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1286064323 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1286064328 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286064942 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : argh the logs cut off about an hour and a half ago <-- someone mail the guy to fix clog, it's broken < 1286064950 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you do it < 1286064955 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I don't have his mail < 1286064967 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither do i < 1286064975 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :who do then < 1286064977 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :does* < 1286064993 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : for instance, for a while there was a standard request for passengers to shift their weight to the left, because otherwise the doors wouldn't close <-- awesome < 1286065013 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't particularly have much weight to shift < 1286065025 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is 111 lbs last he checked < 1286065052 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, what is that in the SI system units? < 1286065073 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ~50kg < 1286065080 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286065085 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's tiny indeed < 1286065091 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is closer to 85 kg < 1286065098 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then I'm tall < 1286065107 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is something like 80kg < 1286065116 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, 189.5 cm < 1286065139 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 180 cm or so < 1286065148 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, so you are short :P < 1286065154 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well not really) < 1286065166 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For certain definitions of "short", perhaps. Ones set by giants, for instance. < 1286065179 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, indeed! < 1286065205 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I wish I had grown to 190 cm. 189.5 is *soo close* < 1286065209 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is annoying me < 1286065241 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What annoys me is non-SI units. < 1286065274 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially ambiguous ones. < 1286065317 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A pound of feathers is heavier than a pound of gold. < 1286065322 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why! < 1286065386 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what < 1286065400 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what about a pound of pounds? < 1286065402 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A pound of feathers is 454g. A pound of gold is 373g. < 1286065405 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that count as gold? < 1286065424 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because precious metals are measured in troy weights, not avoirdupois weights. < 1286065430 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But both use the same names for their units. < 1286065478 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, "avoirdupois weights" <-- really? is it different from normal pounds of other stuff? < 1286065506 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The avoirdupois system of weight units is the typical one. < 1286065513 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Troy is used for precious metals. < 1286065573 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286065573 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, an ounce of feathers is lighter than an ounce of gold. < 1286065606 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :28 g and 31g, respectively. < 1286065622 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, is this what you use? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:English_mass_units_graph.svg < 1286065640 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :16 avoirdupois ounces to the avoirdupois pound, 12 troy ounces to the troy pound. < 1286065643 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uuugggh. < 1286065697 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1286065720 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, except that ony avoirdupois and troy units are in common use today, and the grain, scruple, pennyweight, shilling, mark, dram, clove, nail, stone, quarter, tod, hundredweight, and sack are obnoxious archaicisms in the US. < 1286065742 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, :D < 1286065759 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, you should start using those, just to annoy people. With metric prefixes < 1286065766 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The kilograin? :D < 1286065767 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a kiloclove < 1286065774 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, or that! < 1286065796 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Oh, it gets worse. The ounce is also a couple units of volume. < 1286065802 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1286065808 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the mark? < 1286065814 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :about how large is it in metric units < 1286065832 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: An ounce of water != 1 ounce of ice, in volume. < 1286065842 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no mental picture of the magnitude of these units < 1286065853 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i do have for the SI system < 1286065893 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, "decisack", the word is awesome < 1286065968 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286065984 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Because the fluid ounce is 29.5 ml, and the dry ounce is 31 ml. < 1286065992 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1286065998 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, why on earth < 1286065999 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: dry units of volume not in common use) < 1286066011 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(aside from the peck & the bushel) < 1286066023 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"peck & the bushel"? < 1286066046 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Used for measuring agricultural yields. < 1286066053 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1286066057 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, bushels of wheat, pecks of fruit. < 1286066066 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, iirc mostly m^3 here < 1286066100 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and a barrel of oil is not the same volume as a barrel of water, which is not the same volume as a barrel of wheat. < 1286066113 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :158L, 119L, 115L, respectively. < 1286066123 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1286066128 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, you are so crazy < 1286066136 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you keep using that system < 1286066144 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: People claim it makes more sense. < 1286066147 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honest to God. < 1286066168 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, also: 1 mile on land is not the same distance as a mile on sea. < 1286066190 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yes but people write "nautical mile" when they mean it < 1286066191 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.6km and 1.8km, respectively. < 1286066194 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't call it mile < 1286066199 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True, but still. < 1286066215 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least in aviation nm is used as the unit on instruments and such < 1286066219 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is kind of fun < 1286066225 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it is not nanometer < 1286066230 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nautical mile < 1286066314 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should note that there is no convenient conversion between cubic inches & units of volume. < 1286066341 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :only to be expected with a system that wasn't designed but grew over time < 1286066346 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unlike how 1L = 1dm) < 1286066369 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There *is* an easy conversion between units of volume and masses of water, though. < 1286066387 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 fl oz. of water is about 1 oz. of water < 1286066399 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it used to be exact before redefining the units in terms of SI) < 1286066399 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"about" < 1286066405 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286066481 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much like how 1L used to be 1kg of water before the SI units were defined more exactly. < 1286066537 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1286066541 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you want even more of a headache? < 1286066552 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, go ahead < 1286066564 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each Commonwealth nation using customary units has their own definitions of them. < 1286066591 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, s/Commonweatlh/ < 1286066592 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how nice < 1286066595 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. Anyways. < 1286066620 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A tablespoon in Canada is 15ml. In US, 14.79ml. According to the FDA (a US government agency), 15ml. In Australia, 20ml. < 1286066640 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A US gallon is 3785ml. A UK gallon is 4546ml. < 1286066660 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's quite a large difference < 1286066702 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortunately, the length and weight units were fixed by international treaty, so the only distinctions there are land/nautical and avoirdupois/troy. < 1286066735 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, I should start using kiloseconds, it makes a lot more sense than minutes and hours < 1286066757 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... No, wait, the weight units are *almost* the same. A UK hundredweight is 112lb, and a US hundredweight is 100lb. < 1286066777 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in both, a ton is 20 hundredweights. < 1286066782 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So close and yet so far. < 1286066793 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, over here a ton is 1000 kg. And a mile is 10 km < 1286066804 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That's the metric ton. < 1286066806 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1286066812 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, and a scandinavian mile < 1286066819 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Us also uses metric tons. < 1286066844 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only thing we abhor more than sane units is consistent units! < 1286066900 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavian_mile < 1286066908 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite a nice unit, if anyone else used it < 1286066920 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a nice size to be useful < 1286066928 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite a reasonable unit. < 1286066932 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1286066942 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, and useful on the distances found in Sweden < 1286066947 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if it is hectometer. < 1286066957 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, two mil to university for me < 1286066959 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1286066960 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Megameter. < 1286066961 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or about that < 1286066964 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The data on my HD is degrading as we speak? < 1286066972 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1286066974 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THINK JOSIAH < 1286066984 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DONT FUCKING SCREW UP POWERS OF 10 < 1286066994 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have: 10 km < 1286066994 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :You want: megameter < 1286066994 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : * 0.01 < 1286066994 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And don't yell at me, yell at my dad on my behalf please < 1286067015 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why aren't there SI prefixes for every power of 10 in a useful range? < 1286067020 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have: 10 km < 1286067020 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :You want: hectometer < 1286067020 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : * 100 < 1286067059 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, because um, imagine having name for everything between giga and yotta, instad of just a few < 1286067071 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, result: even sillier names than "yotta" < 1286067071 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's powers of 1000. < 1286067077 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that would be bad < 1286067124 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways. < 1286067131 0 :augur_!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1286067152 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION points out that nautical mile actually _is_ a logical unit. well approximately. < 1286067166 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh? < 1286067174 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It gets worse if you start trying to do physics using traditional units. < 1286067187 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweden used to use metric units for flight, we don't any longer because no one else does < 1286067198 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's originally the length of one minute of arc of a meridian, useful for sea maps < 1286067202 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can always combine deka/deci and hecto/centi with the standard prefixes < 1286067207 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically it screwed up for altitude calculations with about everyone else < 1286067239 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh Soviet was completely metric too < 1286067244 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :for flight < 1286067251 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that was about it < 1286067265 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: by "you can always" you mean "it's not actually permitted to" afaik < 1286067284 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, dekakilometer? < 1286067285 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1286067295 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ft^2°Fh/BTU, anyone? < 1286067296 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :not actually permitted? who has the power to forbid this? < 1286067298 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or kilodekameter perhaps < 1286067301 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what? < 1286067321 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not part of the standard, anyway < 1286067329 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1286067340 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That's a unit of thermal resistance. The foot-squared degree Fahrenheit hour per British Thermal Unit. < 1286067359 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, still flight use two units of pressure, and instruments are commonly marked with both SI units (hPa iirc) and inHg < 1286067375 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what is the SI unit for it? < 1286067382 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Km^2/W < 1286067384 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286067405 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what is "British Thermal Unit" exactly? < 1286067437 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1055.056 J < 1286067441 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1286067445 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how silly < 1286067460 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, now if SI could just get rid of the kg prototype < 1286067466 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1055.05585262 in the UK) < 1286067476 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :define it in terms of some natural constants or such < 1286067488 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the heat production corresponding to one second of british parliament discussion < 1286067492 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like has been done for all the other prototypes < 1286067530 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, shouldn't "British termal unit" refer to UK always? < 1286067535 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Nope! < 1286067539 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would make sense! < 1286067542 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, "UK British termal unit" is absurd < 1286067545 0 :augur_!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: they _have_ gotten rid of the kg prototype, i think < 1286067553 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur_: No, it's the remaining prototype. < 1286067559 0 :augur_!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :really < 1286067560 0 :augur_!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1286067562 0 :augur_!?@? NICK :augur < 1286067577 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's currently debate over what possible replacement definition to use. < 1286067616 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ones I like most involve defining the Avogadro constant exactly. < 1286067819 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :number of atoms in a standard avocado < 1286067940 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate exp (-1/0) < 1286067941 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [-Infinity,0.0,1.0,2.718281828459045,15.154262241479262,3814279.104760214,I... < 1286067962 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: do you have any interest in physics? < 1286067977 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Vague. < 1286067990 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :More practically, I am taking a physics course ATM, and as such have to care. :P < 1286068029 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: check out some of Julian Barbour's work (links to follow) < 1286068036 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Case for Geometry: http://pirsa.org/index.php?p=media&url=http://streamer.perimeterinstitute.ca/Flash/9a93c428-c616-4dca-8713-915277e28056/viewer.html&pirsa=10050060&type=Flash%20Presentation < 1286068058 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The deep and suggestive principles of Leibnizian philosophy: http://platonia.com/barbour_hrp2003.pdf < 1286068452 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286068672 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: they _have_ gotten rid of the kg prototype, i think < 1286068676 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :amusingly, it's actually getting lighter < 1286068687 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: well, magic and all. < 1286068695 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but wait.. HOW DO THEY KNOW?! < 1286068708 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i know how they know but it was funny to say XP) < 1286068721 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, correction "lighter relative it's replicas" < 1286068721 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVERYTHING ELSE IS GETTING HEAVIER < 1286068725 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286068728 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: their 1kg weights started getting lighter < 1286068729 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVERYWHERE < 1286068730 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is indeed not absolute lighter < 1286068738 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, no < 1286068747 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: IT WAS A FUCKING JOKE < 1286068756 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ah, I just read about this :P < 1286068757 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was saying that everything weighing 1kg in the world got lighter < 1286068807 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice topic < 1286068856 0 :theoros!~theoros@unaffiliated/theoros JOIN :#esoteric < 1286068862 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286068866 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok im off < 1286068870 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :see you in a bit, peeps. < 1286068873 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1286068874 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye augur < 1286068878 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: why thank you < 1286068887 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, hi! < 1286068907 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quark mating can be a bit up and down, you know < 1286068960 0 :theoros!~theoros@unaffiliated/theoros PART #esoteric : < 1286069057 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: if I wrote a comprehensive, referenced errata for that ed in Python post, would it get published? or would i languish here in my infinite pit of despair, envying pizza < 1286069071 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it has its strange charm < 1286069111 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : /kick oerjan < 1286069122 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you desire recognition! < 1286069140 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or, well, for what you work on to be useful) < 1286069141 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i don't < 1286069144 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1286069147 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: useful? < 1286069154 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be the most worthless piece of text ever written! < 1286069164 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: do you mean i should quit while on top, or that i've already hit rock bottom? < 1286069166 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a dry analysis of something probably written in three minutes for the hell of it! < 1286069184 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does my computer insist that it's 19:26 while everything else insists it's 18:26? < 1286069187 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric : /kick oerjan ;; Ha, ha, our op is retarded and can't type two /s. < 1286069197 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Your other computer is actually in a wormhole bubble across a timezone. < 1286069203 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some clients don't use two // < 1286069203 0 :coppro!~scshunt@unaffiliated/scshunt PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: probably both < 1286069207 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i mean i'm gonna beat you up red, green and blue < 1286069209 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some clients also don't know of /say < 1286069214 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You will notice that if you eject the CD-ROM drive, it will disappear half-way through. < 1286069222 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: excellent, i shall get writing immediately < 1286069222 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And typing /msg #esoteric /whatever can be a prick < 1286069244 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I cannot let this ridiculous Canadian sloppiness go uncorrected < 1286069253 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: "can be a prick"? Seriously? < 1286069255 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: well i guess should expect being met with strong force < 1286069257 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1286069259 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*i should < 1286069275 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, what? < 1286069281 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Because my timezone got set wrong. Fuuuccck. < 1286069283 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't swear like a sailor? < 1286069296 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: No. Wormholes. < 1286069308 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I don't think ANYBODY says that :P < 1286069313 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or if they do, they shouldn't. < 1286069317 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, XD < 1286069327 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say it. Happy? < 1286069429 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: No. < 1286069447 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I guess the mating quarks find each other charming? Though I guess it is a very strange topic to humans. < 1286069451 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1286069466 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, watched Sintel? < 1286069478 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, is it released? < 1286069484 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well sometimes they're just meson around < 1286069485 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1286069491 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRsGyueVLvQ < 1286069493 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, :D < 1286069496 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286069499 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, not just the trailer? < 1286069508 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone know befunge < 1286069508 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: [[Errata for the article "Python Implementation of ed" by *null, as < 1286069508 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :printed in issue 114.1 of the University of Waterloo Faculty of < 1286069509 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematics Student Newspaper mathNEWS.]] < 1286069513 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the trailer 14 minutes long? < 1286069514 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want this title to be more precise, it can be. < 1286069534 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, I thought youtube videos were limited to 10 minutes? < 1286069544 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There we go. < 1286069547 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbelange, yes < 1286069548 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This one is 14:48 somehow < 1286069552 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: no. < 1286069556 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbelange, a lot of us do < 1286069557 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: not for registered thingybobs. < 1286069569 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it's Vorpal who asked < 1286069588 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :[download] Destination: eRsGyueVLvQ.video <-- wtf is .video < 1286069588 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I didn't realize BlenderFoundation was a registered thingy < 1286069613 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ file eRsGyueVLvQ.video < 1286069614 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :eRsGyueVLvQ.video: ISO Media, MPEG v4 system, version 2 < 1286069615 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1286069629 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Your video output acceleration driver does not support the required resolution: 2048x872 pixels. The maximum supported resolution is 2046x872." < 1286069631 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeargh < 1286069643 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost < 1286069670 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, indeed < 1286069675 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I was wondering if Befunge is related to Bungie? < 1286069685 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this mischan should I ask #alephone < 1286069687 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is dixon banned? < 1286069696 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbelange, I have no idea what bungie is < 1286069703 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can't answer that < 1286069710 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone else < 1286069713 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: ^ < 1286069727 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is bungie < 1286069729 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the right chan for Befunge questions < 1286069733 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrong one for Bungie questions < 1286069750 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thats what I'm asking is, there a relation < 1286069765 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not since nobody here knows what bungie is ?? < 1286069773 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Considering that none of us have heard of Bungie, pro.. what lament said < 1286069775 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know Pfhortran is related with Bungie < 1286069779 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It rings a bell though < 1286069782 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than stretchy rope < 1286069788 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament lol < 1286069789 0 :coppro!~scshunt@unaffiliated/scshunt PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: don't submit to me < 1286069791 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you talking about stretchy rope dbelange < 1286069796 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION Googles < 1286069800 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some video game dev? < 1286069810 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: i am merely asking for feedback, you... you worthless bear-mauler < 1286069824 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha! Proof that several video games are made in Befunge! < 1286069829 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can't be a coincidence < 1286069830 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbelange: wait, the company? < 1286069839 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah I'm wondering pretty much about video game developing in Befunge < 1286069843 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: bungie make marathon and halo < 1286069851 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it is pretty much a game already < 1286069856 0 :Sgeo!?@? NICK :GlennBeck < 1286069857 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbelange: no relation whatsoever < 1286069859 0 :GlennBeck!?@? NICK :Sgeo < 1286069861 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're in luck befunge is pretty much designed for video game development < 1286069861 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, how is it even a game... < 1286069863 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, that nick is registered < 1286069867 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: xD < 1286069869 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: But they did make Pfohrtran < 1286069877 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is -- hunt the wumpus! < 1286069895 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbelange: of which google knows nothing < 1286069907 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't someone have like chess in befunge < 1286069920 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Pfhortran < 1286069939 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway befunge is like a basic RPG < 1286069939 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, it's a language designed for video game stuff < 1286069951 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :[0x1d378b0] avcodec decoder error: more than 5 seconds of late video -> dropping frame (computer too slow ?) < 1286069953 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaargh < 1286069967 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :*goes to sintel website and downloads lower res* < 1286069976 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :still now I get way less than my monitor < 1286070015 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haden't even heard of Sintel until a celebrity tweeted about it :/ < 1286070018 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Anyway befunge is like a basic RPG ;; what? < 1286070024 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: why do you follow celebrities < 1286070050 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...not sure < 1286070056 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Felicia Day, to be specific < 1286070063 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not someone like Brittany Spears < 1286070073 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or whoever < 1286070074 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Well you have a man who moves < 1286070095 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are registers (could be HP, gold, ....) < 1286070102 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe this is a better example http://alfedenzia.com/scuttle/scuttle.html < 1286070143 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbelange: i guess you _could_ ask the inventor cpressey if he was inspired by RPGs, he sometimes comes here < 1286070164 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh ok < 1286070181 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Im wondering mostly tonight though (lol) about making befunge into a game < 1286070193 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or bringing out its Inner Game XD < 1286070196 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's that other languague < 1286070197 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd love it if someone just came in here and asked about PSOX < 1286070201 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was it called < 1286070204 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grainfimple? < 1286070206 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with mouses and cheese and stuff < 1286070210 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well why not, we've already made brainfuck into a game at least twice :D < 1286070216 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1286070230 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: Hunter? < 1286070235 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hunter, yes < 1286070251 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm partial to Taxi < 1286070260 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When it comes to those sort of langs < 1286070268 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So like increment is treasure chest, decrement is orcs, ... etc < 1286070270 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbelange: http://catseye.tc/projects/hunter/doc/website_hunter.html < 1286070295 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes same author too < 1286070342 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am pretty sure dbelange is just fucking with us. < 1286070370 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1286070390 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: um it's not a weirder idea than many others around here... < 1286070395 0 :Harpyon!~Harpyon@ti0031a380-0251.bb.online.no QUIT :Quit: Harpyon < 1286070424 0 :flippo!~frivol@unaffiliated/flippo JOIN :#esoteric < 1286070430 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: fwiw my intentions are more noble than comp games < 1286070455 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason dbelange is fucking with us is that he's not actually going to implement this < 1286070474 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*noble*? < 1286070482 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Townsburg! http://www.bigzaphod.org/taxi/map-big.png < 1286070484 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: I want to make befunge into a game for didactical reasons < 1286070491 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you read the Diamond Age < 1286070568 0 :bavarious!~bavarious@pdpc/supporter/student/bavarious JOIN :#esoteric < 1286070603 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any way I think that a computer game that teaches kids to think in terms of universal machines (TM or s-exps say) would be beneficial no? < 1286070636 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think most games that have been made with this goal in mind have only done regular languages or SOMETIMES context-free < 1286070681 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is reminded of http://worrydream.com/AlligatorEggs/ < 1286070708 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Taxi TC? < 1286070772 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION would love to see turing machines kidified < 1286070782 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for a regular language you might have robot games, or a tower defence < 1286070830 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think a 2d TM or stack-based thing (like befunge) where registers are HP or caches of trasure < 1286070840 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and decrementers are orcs and traps < 1286070858 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be beneficial to kids learning to think < 1286070903 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But decrement isn't evil < 1286070917 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is if the stack is empty rofl < 1286071136 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rofl ololo < 1286071211 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, wrt sintel: meh, not what I expected < 1286071353 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286071434 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: hey we got another fag in the channel < 1286071441 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION points at dbelange  < 1286071459 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, nasty thing you did there < 1286071460 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so thats 100% of the channel still, then, ey? < 1286071498 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1286071505 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbelange, also pop on empty stack in befunge is just pop 0. If that is what you meant. < 1286071525 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything on empty stack acts as if it popped 0 < 1286071531 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ok < 1286071536 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lé sigh. US poverty rates hit 14% of the population. < 1286071538 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :then how do you die < 1286071549 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I read that as "USB poverty" first XD < 1286071553 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: hooray! < 1286071564 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :puberty rates < 1286071566 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbelange, um you mean exit? @ < 1286071580 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbelange, or in befunge-98 you can use q, which pops an exit code < 1286071594 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :both befunge93 and befunge98 has @ < 1286071595 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I think some crash would be better < 1286071597 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which takes no parameter < 1286071601 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :parameters* < 1286071604 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :befunge must have bugs < 1286071606 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.lifein19x19.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=2004 < 1286071623 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbelange, hopefully not, since I maintain a befunge-98 implementation < 1286071659 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbelange, anyway, you might want to design a fungoid then < 1286071738 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I don't want to build it from the ground "up" < 1286071818 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just think with the proper interpertation and tileset (or diablo style gfx) it would be useful < 1286071823 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1286071825 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1286071837 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :tileset? < 1286071839 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1286071851 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for graphics... < 1286071851 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you plan on displaying the running program? < 1286071853 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1286071862 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd also want an implementation that displays ongoing internals probably < 1286071873 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is wrong with ASCII graphics? < 1286071885 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kids might not like it, I guess < 1286071895 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal have you read the Diamond Age < 1286071898 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also how do you display ongoing internals? Befunge-98 has at least 2^32 * 2^23 < 1286071901 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the funge space < 1286071905 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't display that < 1286071907 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just can't < 1286071912 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the key is to slowly develop it more and more so that at first it's like 3d < 1286071917 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then it is ascii < 1286071924 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it is 1010101 < 1286071929 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never heard of "diamond age" < 1286071931 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant the stack (there's a stack, right?) < 1286071950 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbelange: and then it's just 0000000 < 1286071962 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The display is centered on the player, liek diablo < 1286071962 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it's just Om < 1286071968 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um i think for this limiting fungespace to screen size is ok. or maybe panning... < 1286071980 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ultima < 1286072011 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbelange: there are a number of avid nethack players in the channel < 1286072024 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is nethack < 1286072037 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... < 1286072058 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to remember reading that diablo was inspired by nethack < 1286072075 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a 2d game with ascii graphics, afaiu. but otherwise very complicated. < 1286072080 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably the other way around, diablo is pretty old < 1286072087 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the oldest < 1286072089 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbelange, no. nethack is older < 1286072094 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbelange, 1980s < 1286072117 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :still developed of course < 1286072122 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some values of developed < 1286072124 0 :coppro!~scshunt@unaffiliated/scshunt PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol dbelange < 1286072146 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, our inside man < 1286072154 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, yeah that last comment basically made me label him mentally as "newbie and/or troll" < 1286072155 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nethack's 10 years older than Diablo. < 1286072156 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exposing the true nature of the criminals < 1286072193 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: /msg about the fish plan < 1286072205 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Diablo's not even the oldest game *from Blizzard*. < 1286072223 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says nethack was released in 2003?? < 1286072232 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbelange, last version of it < 1286072232 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbelange: try 1987 < 1286072235 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the original version < 1286072237 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither "1980s" nor "active developing" < 1286072245 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NetHack is a single-player roguelike video game originally released in 1987. It is a descendant of an earlier game called Hack (1985), which is a descendant of Rogue (1980).[2] Salon describes it as "one of the finest gaming experiences the computing world has to offer."[2] < 1286072256 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's really just a modified Hack, which is 1982 < 1286072263 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :1985 < 1286072268 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1286072272 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hack was created in 1982 by Jay Fenlason with the assistance of Kenny Woodland, Mike Thome, and Jonathan Payne. A greatly extended version was posted on Usenet in 1984 by Andries Brouwer. It is licensed under a 3-clause BSD-like license.[1] < 1286072278 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1985 is the release of Hack that NetHack is based on < 1286072279 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a descendant of an earlier game called Hack (1985), < 1286072294 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NetHack doesn't really center on the character. YOu know what does? Crawl < 1286072299 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise hates me now < 1286072299 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hack (1982) --> another Hack release (1985) --> NetHack (1987) --> ... -> NetHack (2003) < 1286072305 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbelange: ^ i drew you a nice diagram < 1286072322 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine, so now that you're done arguing about things that dont matter < 1286072325 0 :coppro!~scshunt@unaffiliated/scshunt PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it difficult to believe that anyone with a taurine host hasn't heard of nethack < 1286072326 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about Befunge?? < 1286072329 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, the levels in NetHack aren't freakishly huge < 1286072335 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Hack's more an improvement on Rogue, which is from 1980. < 1286072368 0 :coppro!~scshunt@unaffiliated/scshunt PRIVMSG #esoteric :moreover, I find it much easier to believe that a CSCer is trolling < 1286072416 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: yes, but drawing diagrams is fun < 1286072419 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why not? < 1286072429 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: hack's a total other game :P < 1286072431 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha ha dbelange < 1286072432 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Set --> Grp --> Fag < 1286072444 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're in a club the membership in which implies you know Nethack < 1286072450 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbelange just set his groping option to fag < 1286072458 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hawt. < 1286072460 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :discuss < 1286072483 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what is this Fag category < 1286072493 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise :: Fag --> Top < 1286072498 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :--> < 1286072499 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what is the Grp --> Fag functor < 1286072500 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?????? < 1286072500 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking categories there yeah < 1286072506 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbelange: is that meant to be haskell? < 1286072513 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF is --> ????? < 1286072521 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a monad < 1286072522 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow it's actually quite fun to see Sgeo this confused < 1286072532 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbelange, .... < 1286072535 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION facepalms < 1286072546 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PART #esoteric :"Until next time" < 1286072553 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do believe there is some --> thing < 1286072553 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Clearly an interesting type-level operator. < 1286072556 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i forget what < 1286072556 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Grp isn't a monad, you need an Eq restriction < 1286072566 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well Sgeo got trolled < 1286072597 0 :Kordalien!~chatzilla@adsl-71-141-89-187.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286072654 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel guilty about driving someone away, even if that someone is a complete and utter moron < 1286072666 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I still think that the thoughts about Befunge for kids might be a good idea < 1286072679 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although Turing Machine for kids would be better imo < 1286072688 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :poe's law for esolangs :D < 1286072724 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: dude, he's not a moron, he was trolling < 1286072727 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :successfully, too < 1286072811 0 :coppro!~scshunt@unaffiliated/scshunt PRIVMSG #esoteric :very successfully < 1286072828 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hey, what I'm supposed with the 200 kg salmon that arrived. UPS claims you are the sender! < 1286072915 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ??? < 1286072927 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what < 1286072947 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, seriously ... what? < 1286072952 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, fish plan.... < 1286072958 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. ohhhhhhhhhhhh. < 1286072959 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION facepalms < 1286072966 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have too much of a headache to get that < 1286072976 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay < 1286072978 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait trolls are not a subset of morons? < 1286072993 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: most trolls are intelligent people pretending to be morons < 1286073011 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are however a few morons that are trolls < 1286073018 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :often rather failed ones < 1286073020 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :none are any good :P < 1286073028 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1286073054 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would it look like if I were to troll #esoteric ? < 1286073068 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wouldn't work < 1286073070 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO ONE ANSWER THAT < 1286073078 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, okay < 1286073091 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spiritual gunk, then when told otherwise, try to combine spirituality and computer science? < 1286073106 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, that's just pathetic < 1286073745 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have discovered something alise will surely find disturbing http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/dlsks/simon_peyton_jones_ghc_7_status_update_video/c115tsm < 1286073765 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my < 1286073783 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: stop distracting me, I have a mathNEWS article to write by Monday! < 1286073789 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm totally getting paid for this you know < 1286073796 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION watches alise's worldview shatter into incompatible pieces < 1286073858 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or i would if he hadn't applied such hard-handed evasion tactics < 1286073935 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even I find it disturbing < 1286074017 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what's so earth shattering about it, I can't watch that link < 1286074042 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry it's secret < 1286074066 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I don't have flash... < 1286074098 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :reddit uses flash? mind you i haven't even looked at the video, just the comments < 1286074109 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, no the linked to page < 1286074112 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh that < 1286074119 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, but I don't see that anywhere? < 1286074124 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe in the video < 1286074127 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not on the page < 1286074141 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's a comment _about_ the video, obviously < 1286074145 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1286074186 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, but "[...] or Reddit communities."? < 1286074195 0 :bavarious!~bavarious@pdpc/supporter/student/bavarious PART #esoteric :"bye" < 1286074222 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1286074233 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what the heck Vorpal is actually seeing on his screen < 1286074244 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just linked to a reddit comment sub-thread... < 1286074250 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, *oh* < 1286074344 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol Vorpal is stupid < 1286074346 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also lacks flash < 1286074430 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :make a flash player before you recommend it to anyone < 1286074468 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: also Jameshfisher is obviously being sensationally argumentative like a lot of redditors, i just found what he pointed out amusing < 1286074600 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "[...] or Reddit communities." is just to complain about being downvoted < 1286074614 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1286074619 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1286074629 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1286074802 0 :hailtothethief!~oh@97-115-130-102.spkn.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1286075920 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously, hailtothethief is in fact Vorpal < 1286075989 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1286076399 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's that time of year again http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-11447095 < 1286076507 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION likes the Management Prize < 1286076596 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK FIREFOX FUCK FLASH FUCK THE LACK OF SWAP SPACE < 1286076627 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: make a big file on your harddisk and then do swapon to it < 1286076636 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :i THINK you can do that < 1286076672 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My harddisk is a 2GB USB stick, with just 1GB of user data space, and .. about 100MB left < 1286076680 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But ty < 1286076805 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1286076813 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should learn to play with Blender at some point < 1286076815 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :3d games < 1286076866 0 :coppro!~scshunt@unaffiliated/scshunt PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah, I want to see that paper < 1286077242 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flash just crashed in the middle of me watching something < 1286077256 0 :coppro!~scshunt@unaffiliated/scshunt PRIVMSG #esoteric :how surprising < 1286077576 0 :jane1!~zsw@112.95.147.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286077668 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi jane1 < 1286077800 0 :jane1!~zsw@112.95.147.149 PART #esoteric : < 1286077968 0 :jane1!~zsw@112.95.147.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286077974 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi jane1 < 1286077983 0 :jane1!~zsw@112.95.147.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi a;ise < 1286078001 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286078014 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286078030 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a;ise < 1286078055 0 :jane1!~zsw@112.95.147.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry,alise < 1286078064 0 :jane1!~zsw@112.95.147.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1286078081 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The crashes are happening much more now < 1286078204 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the end is nigh < 1286078220 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cries < 1286078243 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe an update of Firefox etc. will help? < 1286078284 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, Gwibber gets OAuth < 1286078285 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good < 1286078291 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can now actually use it < 1286078367 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Needs too much disk space to update everything < 1286078371 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to cry < 1286078508 0 :jane1!~zsw@112.95.147.149 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286079378 0 :jane1!~zsw@112.95.147.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286079758 0 :jane1!~zsw@112.95.147.149 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1286079834 0 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should try Puppy Linux again or something < 1286079917 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1286079988 0 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :USB stick might not have been in tightly enough < 1286080008 0 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if that could be the cause of the incessant crashing < 1286080872 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_errata my favourite page < 1286080882 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gets truly hilarious a bit lower down < 1286080887 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially all the names < 1286080977 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted God, adorned themselves, being in subjection to their owl husbands." < 1286080983 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm quite fond of "Thou shalt commit adultery". < 1286081053 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: a fowl fate indeed < 1286081109 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Their Owl Husbands" would be a good band/novel name/title. < 1286081157 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :straight from the howly book < 1286081162 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut up :P < 1286081167 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286081374 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286081391 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286081603 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody should print a version of the bible that has every error ever known to be printed in a bible. < 1286081746 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cowbirdsinlove.com/980 < 1286081782 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Christ condemneth the poor widow" // Christianity is a very capitalistic religion < 1286081928 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286081975 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com TOPIC #esoteric :Are the mating habits of quarks really the subject of ephemeral ontologists? Or would they be more wealthy discussing http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D ? < 1286082043 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know what this topc message means < 1286082176 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/topc/topic/ < 1286082314 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's actually meaningful. < 1286082341 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't think it is actually meaningful. < 1286082344 0 :jane1!~zsw@112.95.147.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286082400 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's amusing though :P < 1286082419 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1286082462 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it certainly doesn't lack unmeaning. < 1286082483 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is ephemeral ontologists? < 1286082501 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably people who study short-lived things. < 1286082519 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or people who are short-lived studying things. < 1286082523 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or --- yeah :P < 1286082525 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1286082637 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why am I so good at not doing anything? < 1286082651 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :RARGH READ FYTHE SPEC < 1286082667 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm too busy doing fuck-all! < 1286082682 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a lot of stuff to fuck! (All stuff) < 1286082686 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did find the problem in the Enhanced CWEB, which I have now fixed. The problem was inserting discretionary breaks after \BIS < 1286082710 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'm like Wowbagger with more sex. < 1286082998 0 :jane1!~zsw@112.95.147.149 PART #esoteric : < 1286083143 0 :jane1!~zsw@112.95.147.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286083239 0 :jane1!~zsw@112.95.147.149 PART #esoteric : < 1286084389 0 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1286085314 0 :zeotrope_!~vib@bas3-kitchener06-1096642318.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1286085336 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight. < 1286085337 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye. < 1286085345 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1286085460 0 :zeotrope!~vib@bas3-kitchener06-1096649934.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1286086447 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Im looking for a bento box, it cant be pinku (thats japanese for pink) or any girl color. It has to be of 2 or more kotoba (thats japanese for 2 compartments) and has be be chibi(small) sized" < 1286086461 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My faith in humanity is dying. < 1286086496 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"pinku" X-D < 1286086524 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"kotoba" is Japanese for "word" and "chibi" is a slang term for a cutesy drawing style. < 1286086542 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :From "chiisai hito", I think. < 1286086544 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's actual-Japanese for pink? < 1286086552 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pinku < 1286086569 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh, that's presumably an import from English. What's pre-English Japanese for pink then? >_> < 1286086592 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRE-ENGLISH JAPANESE WERE TOO AWESOME FOR PINK < 1286086599 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :D-8 < 1286086600 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tankôshoku < 1286086614 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that just "light red" compressed or something? < 1286086639 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Faint red color. < 1286086649 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or momoiro. Peach color. < 1286086663 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pinku is by far the most common, though. < 1286086678 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :momotaro < 1286086690 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, same morpheme. < 1286086766 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I had to look up ones that weren't "pinku". < 1286086812 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pinku shirtu, domo arigato < 1286086842 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: pinku shâtsu wo kudasai; domo arigatô. I think you mean. < 1286086864 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, dômo arigatô. < 1286086868 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :POSSIBLY < 1286086909 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially if shâtsu is an english loanword < 1286086915 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is. < 1286086942 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It refers to button-up shirts. < 1286087018 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shouldn't talk - the original word "kortbukser" is almost completely replaced by "shorts" in norwegian < 1286087020 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or perhaps you mean: hįnnku siȳâtu wo kutàsai; tồmo arikàtô. < 1286087105 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wouldn't know, you know < 1286087126 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or perhaps you mean "domo arigato, Mr. Robato". < 1286087179 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CERTAINLY NOT < 1286089973 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ò ḥóẅ Ɨ ♥ çőḿṗốŝę. < 1286090400 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-200-81.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiiii < 1286090914 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286091126 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-200-81.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bitrebels.com/geek/this-pool-creates-waves-in-the-shape-of%E2%80%A6anything/ < 1286091283 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: Awesome. < 1286091363 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a good thing they got Japan Kramer to check it out. < 1286091424 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-200-81.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1286091437 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-200-81.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually japan kramer is the guy who made it. < 1286091455 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DON'T SPEAK JAPANALANG < 1286091461 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All that for safety testing. < 1286091481 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are using that to figure out how to make better safety testing procedures for boats. Seriously. < 1286091492 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was Japan Business Suit Guy < 1286091505 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The guy who made it, that is) < 1286091519 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too suit-y. < 1286091529 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He talked more like a businessman than anything else. < 1286091788 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what's up with Japan Kramer there. < 1286091816 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially since he's crazy-Euromerican-looking. < 1286091837 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I got nothing, and I understood the video. < 1286092777 0 :clog!nef@bespin.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286093068 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you understand EVERY WORD? < 1286093078 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but I understood most of it. < 1286093088 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe encoded into one seeming-innocuous unrecognized word was a lengthy exposition on the role of each of the people in the video. < 1286093587 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1286094768 0 :Kordalien!~chatzilla@adsl-71-141-89-187.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286095169 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286095225 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where's clog? < 1286095243 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just noticed that the logs cut off halfway through yesterday. < 1286095470 0 :coppro!~scshunt@unaffiliated/scshunt PRIVMSG #esoteric :crap < 1286095472 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-200-81.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pipes are probably... < 1286095475 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-200-81.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION puts on sunglasses < 1286095477 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-200-81.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :clogged. < 1286095478 0 :coppro!~scshunt@unaffiliated/scshunt PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION must figure out how to get a log < 1286095484 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-200-81.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :YYYYEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAHHHH!!!!!!!!!!! < 1286095486 0 :coppro!~scshunt@unaffiliated/scshunt PRIVMSG #esoteric :becase dbelange was in here < 1286095716 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who? < 1286095757 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, doesn't one of Gregor's bots keep logs? < 1286095777 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://codu.org/projects/esotericlogs/hg/ < 1286095925 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah, it doesn't log anything interesting. < 1286095930 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the moment. < 1286095949 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :By my calculations, we have 2 hours before the next log fetch. < 1286096448 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286096836 0 :coppro!~scshunt@unaffiliated/scshunt PRIVMSG #esoteric :calculate wronger then < 1286097422 0 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@194.236.14.54 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286097425 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :* coppro must figure out how to get a log <-- your own irc client logs < 1286097441 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't have them: your own issue < 1286097520 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could of course share mine, but why < 1286097626 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because we don't have any others and we're not always online? < 1286097884 0 :coppro!~scshunt@unaffiliated/scshunt PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: specifically, I meant to figure out how to get my client to dump logs < 1286097900 0 :coppro!~scshunt@unaffiliated/scshunt PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has logs of some length < 1286097911 0 :coppro!~scshunt@unaffiliated/scshunt PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually about a day and a half in here < 1286097924 0 :coppro!~scshunt@unaffiliated/scshunt PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes less < 1286098198 0 :iGO!~xk001@78.130.6.210.rev.optimus.pt QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1286098396 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, XChat? < 1286098642 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286099056 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: specifically, I meant to figure out how to get my client to dump logs <-- hm... < 1286099071 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :-coppro- VERSION irssi v0.8.12 <-- okay, no clue < 1286099076 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it should be possible < 1286099086 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about dumping scrollback though < 1286099094 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is different from logging I think < 1286099103 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :logging starts from the point you activate it < 1286099137 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, still I could give you logs I guess, they are in a custom xchat-like format and are in the CEST timezone < 1286099145 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is UTC+2) < 1286099650 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1286099715 0 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@194.236.14.54 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286099906 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, yes, please. < 1286099924 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, not in general, just for coppro specific usage I meant < 1286099943 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :We all want the logs! < 1286099973 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, if coppro wants the logs I will paste the link in the channel. < 1286099998 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, but I see no point in helping you, you seem to hate me usually. < 1286100008 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Touché. < 1286100051 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1286100112 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, quick, ask for logs! < 1286100400 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, since you were just interested in the bit where dbelange was in here, that is all I will include. But now, bbl for a few hours < 1286100739 0 :zeotrope_!~vib@bas3-kitchener06-1096642318.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1286102610 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1286102626 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286102750 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey QUIT :Quit: Welcome honored guest. I got the key you want! would you like onderves. of Yourself < 1286102905 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1286102947 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where was that thought experiment with the sphere of air that approximated the Poincaré hyperbolic model? < 1286104459 0 :Harpyon!~Harpyon@ti0031a380-0251.bb.online.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1286105236 0 :Zuu!zuu@0x55529f1b.adsl.cybercity.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1286105236 0 :Zuu!zuu@0x55529f1b.adsl.cybercity.dk QUIT :Changing host < 1286105236 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1286105257 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1286105314 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many have come here this week asking for the smallest way to initialize cells in brainfuck to 67, 100 and 111? < 1286105490 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick, none that I know of, why? < 1286105492 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw: < 1286105495 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ grep -Ev '^#|[0-9]+/(tcp|udp|sctp|dccp)' /etc/services < 1286105495 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cuelink 5271/tdp # StageSoft CueLink messaging < 1286105498 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is tdp? < 1286105510 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I googled and it seems IANA itself lists it as tdp too < 1286105519 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not just a typo in my local copy < 1286105521 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: because it's part of the dutch informatics olympiad :P < 1286105545 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like cheating helping you then < 1286105566 0 :Salemakoum_!~akoumsale@82.198.3.45.satgate.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286105601 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: tag distribution protocol < 1286105609 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm not asking :) < 1286105614 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1286105624 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick, or it could be a typo for either udp or tcp < 1286105634 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick, after all it is the only tdp port listed there < 1286105641 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and: < 1286105643 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.protocols.com/pbook/tag.htm#TDP < 1286105643 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cuelink 5271/tdp # StageSoft CueLink messaging < 1286105643 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cuelink-disc 5271/udp # StageSoft CueLink discovery < 1286105645 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks suspect < 1286105652 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does < 1286105653 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :one tdp and one udp < 1286105672 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :the d is not far from the c < 1286105688 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick, assuming qwerty < 1286105703 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably a safe assumption though < 1286105704 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :most people have qwerty < 1286105791 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick, you know there's a huge table of constants on the esolangs wiki? < 1286105802 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they're clever enough, they'll find that. < 1286105817 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION continues to wrestle with DCGs. < 1286105832 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I know that, but I need something smaller :P < 1286105912 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you restricted beyond what passes for BF's spec? < 1286105926 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick, if you are taking part in this competition it seems like cheating to help you < 1286105950 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :true :/ < 1286105953 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: stop helping me < 1286105971 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not likely to be able to help. < 1286105984 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :cells are unsigned 8-bit < 1286106205 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrapping? < 1286106217 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of length are you aiming for? < 1286106270 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Note that even very well-known de facto uses of EtherTypes are not always recorded in the IEEE list of EtherType values. For example, EtherType 0x0806 (used by ARP) appears in the IEEE list only as "Symbolics, Inc., Protocol unavailable."' < 1286106271 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1286106335 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: anything lower than 74 < 1286106351 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :For each number or in total? < 1286106364 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :in total < 1286106374 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the idea is to print a string "CodeCup") < 1286106383 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1286106398 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen CodeCup < 1286106408 0 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :80 +++++++++++[>+++++++++>++++++>++++++++++>+<<<<-]>>+.>+.<<+.+.>.>++++++.-----.>-. [400] < 1286106409 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that will iirc include a newline < 1286106416 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is rather stupid < 1286106424 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, doesn't help you much < 1286106438 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's 74 without the \n < 1286106466 0 :Salemakoum_!~akoumsale@82.198.3.45.satgate.net QUIT :Quit: Rooms • iPhone IRC Client • http://www.roomsapp.mobi < 1286106493 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1286106533 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick, anyway there are obvious ways to make that shorter, due to the competition nature of the thing I won't help you with that though < 1286106549 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick, I can get 67,100,111 in 47 characters, but that's probably not enough. < 1286106615 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that was just concatenating the wiki's constants. < 1286106645 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :that gives 76 < 1286106727 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Concatenating and reusing the C? < 1286106751 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And adding one for the e? < 1286106781 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the p? < 1286106853 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So 'C'.>'o'.>'d'.+.<<.>>>'u'.<<+. < 1286106871 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am reusing the C already < 1286106943 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :but stop helping me < 1286107088 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alas, poor Yorick. I knew him, Horatio! < 1286107191 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, well. That only gets it down to 79. < 1286107378 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should put an ignore on that line < 1286107422 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not even terribly good... < 1286107675 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should somehow be able to take advantage of the fact that they are all one more than a multiple of 11 < 1286107729 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed you should. And 11 is probably shorter as a a calculation of something else < 1286107770 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't < 1286107785 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1286107794 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :+++++[>++<-]+ <-- that's 13 < 1286107808 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :well...its size is 13, it calculates 11 < 1286107825 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :+++[>+++<-]++ <-- that's also 13 < 1286108073 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is that list of constants at http://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck_constants but of course for a longer string it most likely is not sensible to just concatenate those. < 1286108169 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The text generator used by the bot can do it in 73 characters with the "-t 3" flag and no newline. < 1286108431 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I sure hope I didn't accidentally help.) < 1286108505 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION will not look at the textgenerator < 1286108509 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I already knew about the constants < 1286108834 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also have it in 73 chars :/ < 1286109130 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The text generator is limited to programs of that very simple form, so it's not going to figure out anything very clever. (No nested loops or anything.) < 1286109136 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :HMM/ < 1286109142 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: HMMMMM! < 1286109159 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor's hg repository for the esologs cuts of at the exact same byte as clog's! < 1286109163 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hidden Markov Models? < 1286109182 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So last night effectively never was. < 1286109215 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, um, it fetches from clog afaik < 1286109221 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is just his way to store clog data < 1286109233 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there no other logs? < 1286109246 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, your own client may log < 1286109251 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, same goes for your bouncer < 1286109260 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of any other public logs. < 1286109262 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, maybe time to set up something yourself? < 1286109282 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm interested in the logs from when I was offline and my computer off. < 1286109293 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, so use a bouncer on a vps :P < 1286109310 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, do you have one of these? < 1286109337 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spare no expense! What's more important, your next lunch or adequate #esoteric log coverage? < 1286109343 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, a VPS? No. Or rather: depends. Not for general use though, and I have my own bouncer on a server on my lam < 1286109370 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are reasonable free public shell services. A few at least. < 1286109375 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have logs for last night, and will you give them to me? < 1286109406 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, 1) yes I have them 2) why should I, you have been acting like a jerk towards me most of the time < 1286109412 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't you go through this already? At least I think I saw something like that in the logs. < 1286109424 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I'll reform! < 1286109467 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, why should I trust you? ehird has too much influence over you. And he promised similar things in the past for me providing some info only I had.... < 1286109474 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and um that didn't exactly work out well < 1286109485 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Here's an idea: reform as a cube. < 1286109492 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, good idea < 1286109497 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :more people should do that < 1286109498 0 :Phantom_Hoover!?@? NICK :Phantom_Cuber < 1286109504 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :See? < 1286109521 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a changed platonic solid! < 1286109562 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I'm not that much of a jerk anyway! < 1286109580 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: You should put that in your CV, that's a really nice way of putting it. < 1286109593 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm not that much of a jerk." Definite hiring potential. < 1286109597 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber, how old are you now again? < 1286109601 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :13! < 1286109613 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? really? I thought you refused to tell people? < 1286109629 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :6227020800 years; an ancient. < 1286109630 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've reformed, remember! < 1286109634 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you are that desperate for logs, you are addicted or something, can't be healthy :P < 1286109661 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1286109666 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to know who the mystery person is! < 1286109767 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay I will filter out private info from logs < 1286109792 0 :Harpyon!~Harpyon@ti0031a380-0251.bb.online.no QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286109825 0 :Harpyon_!~Harpyon@ti0031a380-0251.bb.online.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1286109837 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I should point out that I'm not actually 13. < 1286109851 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I'm not *that* much of a jerk. < 1286109856 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :See! Reformedish! < 1286109860 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber, hm < 1286109865 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber, so how old are you really? < 1286109887 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :As old as the winds blowing in the trees... < 1286109949 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope that you really stop being so much of a jerk though, probably not likely, but oh well... < 1286109977 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/CXgQ < 1286109998 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber, and why did you not consider asking fizzie? It is well known he keeps logs after all < 1286110013 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, WHYYYY < 1286110034 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber, why what? < 1286110050 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why anything? < 1286110065 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :11. Security Considerations < 1286110065 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : This document is about security; as such, there are no additional < 1286110065 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : security considerations. < 1286110066 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1286110080 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit silly to even need to include such a section in an RFC < 1286110104 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from "RFC 5062 - Security Attacks Found Against the Stream Control Transmission Protocol (SCTP) and Current Countermeasures") < 1286110109 0 :Flonk!~chatzilla@93-82-35-71.adsl.highway.telekom.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1286110321 0 :Flonk!~chatzilla@93-82-35-71.adsl.highway.telekom.at PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guys, whats your HTML Editor of choice (Windows)? I've tried Dreamweaver for some days now, but its just too heavy. < 1286110342 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong channel... < 1286110391 0 :Flonk!~chatzilla@93-82-35-71.adsl.highway.telekom.at PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright. < 1286110392 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but I use a text editor with syntax highlighting for html, I don't know any windows apps, but surely something like emacs has been ported) < 1286110595 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a Windows port of gvim, that's not too shabby. It's not exactly an "HTML Editor" though. < 1286111947 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1286112234 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → things < 1286112483 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1286113787 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, I got a solution in 70 *O* < 1286114005 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohnoes! a solution! < 1286114033 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mixes in some chemicals in an attempt to neutralize the solution < 1286114068 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuu: a solution to the "make the smallest possible BF code that prints "CodeCup"" < 1286114105 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks at his selection of chemicals ... < 1286114121 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah.. i dont have what it takes to neutralize that :/ < 1286114149 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :+++++++++++[->+++[->++>+++>+++<<<]>>+<<<]>>+.>+.>+.+.<<.>++++++.-----. yay < 1286114349 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what does this give: ++++++++[>++[->++++++<<]>><<]>>.>+>++.<.>++++----. ? < 1286114508 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gives 0x7 0x2 0x7 0x2 < 1286114527 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty close, eh? < 1286114536 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1286114584 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thats probably my first and last attempt at writing anything that remotely resembles BF source < 1286114706 0 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286114749 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuu: http://pastebin.com/drd9hPyE (give it input C) was my first attempt < 1286115638 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-8-246.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286117389 0 :Flonk_!~chatzilla@80-123-39-245.adsl.highway.telekom.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1286117584 0 :Flonk!~chatzilla@93-82-35-71.adsl.highway.telekom.at QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1286117597 0 :Flonk_!?@? NICK :Flonk < 1286117671 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.50.208 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286117949 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.50.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286118135 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1286118200 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cant say my attempt was very honest since i really just took what you pasted, and removed random characters :P < 1286118267 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1286118340 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :are genetic algorithms any great for bf code generation? < 1286118356 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PROBABLY NOT < 1286118391 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY NOT? < 1286118447 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :languages that work well for local search techniques for problem solving are ones that have a semi-continuous solution space < 1286118475 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the subset of BF including +,-,., and , have this property < 1286118477 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :While it might not work well for BF i think it works far better for BF than so so many other languages < 1286118495 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole [] construct doesn't really < 1286118531 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286118563 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soooo... < 1286118568 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone have a copy of the logs? < 1286118619 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: a testrun of http://code.google.com/p/bf-code-generation/ reveals that you are right < 1286118625 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :its just a amtter of transforming the loop construct into a [[[[[[[[[ construct, where the number of ['s tells how many of the following characters are supposed to be looped < 1286118633 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i was in the room, but i may or may not have logged it >.> < 1286118677 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know what the < and > means in bf though < 1286118679 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zuu: you mean a bounded loop? < 1286118693 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that only primitive recursive functions can be generated? < 1286118714 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, no its simply a syntactical change < 1286118730 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i mean, that's cool and all, most biological computers (people for instance) can only compute primitive recursive functions anyway. . . < 1286118750 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i get it < 1286118752 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaa[xxxxxx]bbb would be written aaa[[[[[[[xxxxxxbbb < 1286118756 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're dropping the ] < 1286118783 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i don't think that changes anything really about the difficulty of GA on it < 1286118794 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1286118799 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may make it slightly better < 1286118808 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sends off an email to Faré < 1286118814 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :asking him to restart clog < 1286118907 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is clog supposed to be more a pun on what happens to drains or shoes that make sounds? < 1286118924 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the former. < 1286118946 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :knowing Faré's political opinions he'll probably ask me to pay for the restart ;) < 1286118977 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i have about 24 hours worth of logs for sure. you want anything recent? < 1286119001 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: every line after < 1286119001 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:25:25 * Sgeo murders Flash < 1286119001 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:25:39 I think the stdlib version loops once per bit < 1286119003 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yesterday) < 1286119007 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(those timestamps may be wrong for you) < 1286119011 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to when I joined would be nice :) < 1286119018 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okiedoke < 1286119021 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to reconstruct the timeline later if I ever get around to creating a full log DB < 1286119021 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1286119193 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you were in the chan until midnight my time. don't you have logs of that? < 1286119222 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, true < 1286119231 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i left the channel a few times accidentally though < 1286119262 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :loading this 2.6 mb log file is fun < 1286119292 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yeah, okay, I only need my quit to my join < 1286119295 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks :) < 1286119298 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hehe < 1286119305 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whops wrong window < 1286119378 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/UVXyzY2t <-- is this really horrible? it generates BF code from desired-string input :) < 1286119439 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually have a full log of this channel for the entire time i've been here < 1286119451 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: how does that work for sufficiently big numbers? < 1286119455 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i have a file containing just the last 24 hours for you here... < 1286119458 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where shall i send it? < 1286119464 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: filebin.ca? < 1286119468 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kk < 1286119473 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1286119485 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the timestream must be preserved! < 1286119487 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: it generates code wrong a string between "A"-"z" < 1286119493 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no need for anything bigger < 1286119508 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: oh. < 1286119512 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring :P < 1286119533 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should totally use dynamic programming or something! < 1286119577 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: it should, that's part 3 of the challenge :P < 1286119606 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :challenge? < 1286119610 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://filebin.ca/xnyacp/furalise.txt < 1286119615 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: dutch informatics olympiad < 1286119625 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: laaaaaaaaaaaaaaawl < 1286119628 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: so don't help me :) < 1286119637 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: shouldn't you be coding :) < 1286119642 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: groan @ filename < 1286119655 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: 10:23 < alise> oerjanerer ;; you know, i have all that logged < 1286119661 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: just finished part 2...still thinking/planning < 1286119666 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :up to 00:55 -!- alise [~alise@91.105.114.37] has quit [Quit: Leaving] :-P < 1286119722 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286119733 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: with irssi, it's easier to just dump the entire scrollback buffer to a file < 1286119733 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :part one was make a normal bf code generator, part 2 was make something small yourself, part 3 is make a size-optimizing code generator < 1286119741 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286119749 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia-2010-10-02-03; what a terrible filename < 1286119770 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally some day I'll get a hold of Vorpal's private logs and merge them with the clog ones :P < 1286119776 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a log of our PMs? < 1286119783 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1286119785 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that txt < 1286119791 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(furalise) < 1286119798 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm too anal to not give it a meaningful name! < 1286119835 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the 03 at the end for? < 1286119837 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1286119842 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 2nd to the 3rd < 1286119843 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get it < 1286119851 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah precisely :P < 1286119868 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i liked my filename better < 1286120099 0 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :mopr < 1286120223 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes looking for something on dynamic programming < 1286120245 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: does it really say dynamic programming? < 1286120252 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was joking, but i guess it could help < 1286120263 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: genetic programming is usually what is done for this < 1286120268 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen poop < 1286120277 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_textgen yorick < 1286120285 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bit slow though < 1286120288 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!userinterps < 1286120288 0 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Installed user interpreters: aol austro b1ff bc bct bfbignum brit brooklyn bypass_ignore bytes chaos chef chiqrsx9p choo cockney ctcp dc decisionengine drawl drome dubya echo eehird ehird fudd funetak google graph gregor he hello id jethro kraut num ook pansy pi pirate plot postmodern postmodern_aoler redneck reverse rot13 sadbf sfedeesh sffedeesh sffffedeesh sffffffffedeesh simpleacro slashes svedeesh swedish valspeak warez yodawg < 1286120291 0 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :44 ++++++++++[>+++++++++++>+>><<<<-]>++.-..+.>. [282] < 1286120293 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: it just says "write something that generates a size-optimized bf-code for a random string" < 1286120315 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I looked at genetic programming, it appears to be horrible < 1286120318 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: genetic programming will help a ton. dynamic programming won't. the above uses genetic programming, so does everything else < 1286120320 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's all i'll say :) < 1286120337 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: oh, you don't, like, genetically program from nothing to the string < 1286120355 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you start with a regular RLE'd one, and then start mutating that in ways that make it smaller < 1286120357 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could be totally wrong though < 1286120360 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe ignore me < 1286120374 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION will look into that < 1286120388 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: i'd link you to the one egobot uses but *uh* pretty sure that's against your rules < 1286120413 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should think a dynamic programming solution would do pretty well... < 1286120422 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:44 < coppro> crap < 1286120424 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it use the java thing? < 1286120430 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quoted for prosperity < 1286120435 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: uhh, yes, it does use some sort of java thing < 1286120451 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it use the "bf-code-generation" java thing? < 1286120461 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know; however i can link you. < 1286120470 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's not it :) < 1286120480 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :the link would contain it < 1286120490 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: no -- egobot has its own copy of everything. < 1286120499 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/trac/egobot/export/114%3A1fe97d50a1d8/multibot_cmds/interps/bf_txtgen/textgen.tar.gz < 1286120503 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's the code < 1286120518 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, wait, just .class :D < 1286120524 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: i distinctly recall it was in a cvs repository < 1286120527 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it *could* have just evolved into that < 1286120569 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: how are they bowlderising "brainfuck"? :) < 1286120579 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://codu.org/projects/egobot/hg/index.cgi/file/1fe97d50a1d8/multibot_cmds/interps/bf_txtgen < 1286120582 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: "BF" < 1286120599 0 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: hmm, are you Dutch? < 1286120606 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: yes < 1286120629 0 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: did you work on OTS ? < 1286120634 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: booring :) < 1286120636 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: no < 1286120643 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<yorick> https://codu.org/projects/egobot/hg/index.cgi/file/1fe97d50a1d8/multibot_cmds/interps/bf_txtgen ;; this is just egobot's launcher for it < 1286120652 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask Gregor < 1286120652 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1286120663 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure how dynamic programming would help. < 1286120683 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I found the .java already :/ < 1286120699 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: ohh, right, it's .java < 1286120702 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking .class < 1286120705 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, i'm dumb :) < 1286120723 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:49 < Phantom_Hoover> Wait, doesn't one of Gregor's bots keep logs? < 1286120728 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that just mirrors clog < 1286120742 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:17 < Vorpal> if you don't have them: your own issue < 1286120742 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:18 < Vorpal> I could of course share mine, but why < 1286120748 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"*that* would decrease my average overall snottiness!" < 1286120753 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh @ java < 1286120792 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: that has nothing to do with the algorithm :P < 1286120816 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: it makes it about 28% less readable < 1286120820 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:59 < Vorpal> Phantom_Hoover, if coppro wants the logs I will paste the link in the channel. < 1286120820 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:59 < Vorpal> Phantom_Hoover, but I see no point in helping you, you seem to hate me usually. < 1286120825 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's that time of month again for Vorpal! < 1286120829 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: than *C*? < 1286120842 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it doesn't have any malloc()s, sure Java is ridiculously verbose, but you should easily be able to figure out the algorithm < 1286120842 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: than *python* < 1286120848 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: oh, i thought that C was yours < 1286120852 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python is lame :P < 1286120853 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: it is too < 1286120865 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: I hate Java, C and Python, so you cannot rebut >_>) < 1286120873 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++! < 1286121245 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: congratulations, that's the worst language you've named so far! :D < 1286121274 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: javascript! < 1286121305 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: is fucked up in strange ways. But at least it's based on Scheme.. < 1286121319 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :true :) < 1286121321 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like JS < 1286121332 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :visual basic! < 1286121498 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: >_< < 1286121572 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i was wondering why warzone 2100 was so polished, then i googled it and found out it was originally a commercial game < 1286121573 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how surprising :P < 1286121727 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_textgen -g 200 -t 3 abcdefg < 1286121741 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: doesn't it do "$foo" in the launcher script? < 1286121745 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one may want to run it locally. < 1286121754 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: it works locally :) < 1286121769 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :++++++++++++[>++++++++>><<<-]>+.+.+.+.+.+.+. <-- it brings the world things like this :) < 1286121781 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BancSTAR! < 1286121798 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :APL! < 1286121807 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: yeah >><< is a special kind of stupidity :) < 1286121811 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: just run a BF->BF optimiser on it < 1286121815 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not difficult to elide things like that at all < 1286121830 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1286121835 0 :Wamanuz2!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286121859 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm I should study it, forget all about it and write my own :) < 1286121863 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[]......[ < 1286121876 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't egobot's do that automatically? < 1286121877 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait < 1286121881 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cuz that would be the smart thing < 1286121881 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no < 1286121888 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[]........[elidable] < 1286121898 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it should :P < 1286121927 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:21 * yorick will not look at the textgenerator < 1286121937 0 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www4.kingdomofloathing.com/createplayer.php? < 1286121939 0 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :classes < 1286121947 0 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :in KoL are sooooooo awesome < 1286121972 0 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1286121979 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: shhh < 1286122017 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: that was for writing my codecup text thing < 1286122020 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a generator :P < 1286122618 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see a red robe and I want to turn it black < 1286122655 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to put it on with my wizard hat < 1286122688 0 :Harpyon_!~Harpyon@ti0031a380-0251.bb.online.no QUIT :Quit: Harpyon_ < 1286122757 0 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :pastamancer < 1286123207 0 :tombom_!~tombom@86.26.78.24 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286123207 0 :tombom_!~tombom@86.26.78.24 QUIT :Changing host < 1286123207 0 :tombom_!~tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1286123284 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286123291 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:37 < Vorpal> Phantom_Hoover, why should I trust you? ehird has too much influence over you. And he promised similar things in the past for me providing some info only I had.... < 1286123300 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phanty, you have been CORRUPTED! You HORRIBLE BASTARD! < 1286123403 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:45 < Vorpal> I hope that you really stop being so much of a jerk though, probably not likely, but oh well... ;; he's only a jerk when you are < 1286123673 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :are people in this channel generally emotionally instable? < 1286123741 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick, only a few of them < 1286123768 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: does that include you? < 1286123798 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick, well personally I don't think so, or at least there are far worse people in here. < 1286123809 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick, rather it is that I and alise don't get along at all < 1286123826 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: no no it's very simple < 1286123829 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone in here is cool except Vorpal ;) < 1286123835 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I see < 1286123870 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would say instead that everyone in here apart from alise, and to some degree phantom_hoover, are cool < 1286124139 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, besides you don't get along with Quad*r*e*scence (* to avoid highlight), and a few more people. So your statement was exaggerated presumably < 1286124167 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's just a troll. and never talks. < 1286124170 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that doesn't really count < 1286124186 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :=D < 1286124259 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1286124336 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clog, even :( < 1286124379 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: E's been plungered. < 1286124403 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i have logs < 1286124420 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, unlike Vorpal (watch carefully yorick -- this is how a professional does it), i won't argue with you before linking them < 1286124429 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://filebin.ca/xnyacp/furalise.txt, props to quintopia < 1286124469 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I MAY STILL HAVE TO BAN YOU FOR THAT < 1286124491 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's funny because oerjan has ops and never uses them! < 1286124500 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"never" < 1286124514 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Never" indeed; more oftener than, say, I, I'd say. < 1286124516 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :those logs seem incomplete as well < 1286124528 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are complete up until when i got in here < 1286124542 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286124555 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can give you those if you want < 1286124575 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well unless someone pinged me, never mind < 1286124602 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286124681 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :< Vorpal> not sure about dumping scrollback though <-- i did manage to do that and start logging into the same file once, but it was a pain i thought < 1286124770 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :two different commands, and not a common format for choosing a file i think < 1286124920 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :< yorick> how many have come here this week asking for the smallest way to initialize cells in brainfuck to 67, 100 and 111? <-- we have a wiki page for that, brainfuck constants < 1286124972 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wrapping versions are afaik minimal < 1286125014 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I have found my solution already :) < 1286125035 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and I know about the wiki page, needed something smaller < 1286125105 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you mean to initialize to all three at once? i guess that might be smaller than combining the separate algorithms. < 1286125133 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're lucky < 1286125158 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :+++++++++++[->+++[->++>+++>+++<<<]>>+<<<]>>+.>+.>+.+.<<.>++++++.-----. it is :) < 1286125186 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :it prints "CodeCup" :) < 1286125196 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map chr [67,100,111] < 1286125197 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Cdo" < 1286125259 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks a little more complicated than what EgoBot's program does < 1286125262 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :(part of the dutch informatics olympiad) < 1286125267 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1286125311 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help languages < 1286125312 0 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :languages: Esoteric: 1l 2l adjust asm axo bch befunge befunge98 bf bf8 bf16 bf32 boolfuck cintercal clcintercal dimensifuck glass glypho haskell kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain perl qbf rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 underload unlambda whirl. Competitive: bfjoust fyb. Other: asm c cxx forth sh. < 1286125337 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!userinterps < 1286125337 0 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Installed user interpreters: aol austro b1ff bc bct bfbignum brit brooklyn bypass_ignore bytes chaos chef chiqrsx9p choo cockney ctcp dc decisionengine drawl drome dubya echo eehird ehird fudd funetak google graph gregor he hello id jethro kraut num ook pansy pi pirate plot postmodern postmodern_aoler redneck reverse rot13 sadbf sfedeesh sffedeesh sffffedeesh sffffffffedeesh simpleacro slashes svedeesh swedish valspeak warez yodawg < 1286125345 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_textgen CodeCup < 1286125351 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen CodeCup < 1286125363 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot see it in the list :( < 1286125364 0 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :82 ++++++++++[>++++++++++>+++++++>+++++++++++>+<<<<-]>>---.>+.<<.+.>.>++++++.-----.>. [135] < 1286125371 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh maybe it's separate from both < 1286125372 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1286125373 0 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help . < 1286125376 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1286125416 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1286125422 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's an actual interp < 1286125426 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't make nesting loops of course, it's a rather simple algorithm < 1286125437 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it takes command-line arguments and stuff and blah < 1286125443 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah i want to make my own now... < 1286125456 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I *have* to make my own now < 1286125459 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286125463 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuu's idea of [^n meaning next n instructions are in a loop is interesting... but not that exact syntax < 1286125468 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since that stops you doing [[ (BF) < 1286125481 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure how to do it though < 1286125486 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: well you seem to have beat it already < 1286125501 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I have not made my own generator < 1286125505 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's the next one) < 1286125523 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1286125592 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION decides to enable viewing window contents when resizing, this *is* 2010... < 1286125660 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: my windows actually scale while resizing < 1286125672 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :and change size when done < 1286125672 0 :myndzi!myndzi@c-24-19-39-178.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hee, i still have that option off < 1286125680 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: i tried that once, it was godawful < 1286125690 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes you *think* you have some perception of what it'll look like and you decide how to resize it based on that < 1286125691 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then OOPS NO < 1286125707 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :X11 really sucks at resizing though, especially with browsers < 1286125710 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's quite pathetic < 1286125747 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course with real resizing the window border flashes. lol. < 1286125761 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :< yorick> but stop helping me <-- IT'S IN OUR BLOOD < 1286125764 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux graphics: Think you know how much it sucks? Nope! More than that! < 1286125777 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but then I'll have cheated :/ < 1286125791 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, no, just credit us as ... creative assistants! < 1286125815 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I like how helping people is the deep, dark, horrible flaw in our blood. < 1286125822 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I cannot actually do that :/ < 1286125827 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: we're joking :) < 1286125860 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :the actual live resizing is horrible :) < 1286125860 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: IT'S NOT PROPER CAPITALISM. well unless we charge i guess. < 1286125893 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: only on X11 :P < 1286125899 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: true < 1286125910 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's just because X11 is the most hilariously 80s thing ever dreamt of < 1286125928 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :also true < 1286125928 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more hilariously 80s than back to the future? < 1286125933 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's buy one million dollar server and five gajillion $5 monitors and keyboards! < 1286125938 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and NETWORK! < 1286125950 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it cannot be much of an olympiad if you're actually capable of _contacting the outside world_ during the contest... < 1286125951 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: but it has nice ssh forwarding :) < 1286125953 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: well. in software :P < 1286125956 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more hilariously 80s than everything about the show "everybody hates chris"? < 1286125961 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: this is just the first round < 1286125963 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: yeaah but toolkits should do that really < 1286125970 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it just sent down gtk messages and local gtk rendered it < 1286125972 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be much nicer < 1286125976 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: tell that to my old TRS-80 games :D < 1286125984 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: fine! late 80s! < 1286126000 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: but then you'd need _toolkits_ < 1286126004 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it cannot be much of an olympiad if you're actually capable of _contacting the outside world_ during the contest... ;; "We will now seal you inside a Faraday cage. There will be no food." < 1286126014 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: because you program in pure X-over-socket? :) < 1286126026 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: possibly! < 1286126046 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like a brilliant set up < 1286126050 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for the food thing < 1286126068 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll still need power < 1286126077 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then I'll secretly DLAN over it :/ < 1286126088 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: no, no, you get a hole in the wall with a computer in it < 1286126102 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I'll hack the computer! < 1286126103 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a keyboard -- without those pesky unneeded F keys and the like -- and a monitor, running only a compile/run button and an editor < 1286126109 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus some paper on the wall telling you what to do < 1286126113 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck getting past that < 1286126124 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah and it's all baked into the wall so you can't get any of it out < 1286126131 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the part that allows you to run your own code :) < 1286126139 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: in a qemu VM < 1286126144 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1286126147 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with no devices < 1286126156 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :qemu has been proven unsafe < 1286126162 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: qemu inside virtualbox inside ... < 1286126164 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :without virtualisation < 1286126171 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah and the editor is custom and only supports arrow keys, backspace/delete, and typing < 1286126198 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :I somehow don't think this is gonna happen < 1286126586 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Zuu mixes in some chemicals in an attempt to neutralize the solution < 1286126610 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :A NEUTRALIZED SOLUTION IS STILL A SOLUTION < 1286126643 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you probably want to make it precipitate < 1286126755 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mixes in some chemicals to precipitate the solution < 1286126892 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it _could_ be he doesn't mind solutions, as long as they're not too basic < 1286126896 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: ping < 1286126936 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION freezes the solution with LN? < 1286126941 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*LN2 < 1286126962 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently 2-subscript is unicode. I don't transmit unicode. < 1286127274 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? < 1286127278 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest of us do < 1286127295 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You know you're anal when you decode FLAC files just to re-encode them with --best. < 1286127511 0 :Kordalien!~chatzilla@adsl-71-141-89-187.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286127561 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ...how the hell is this .flac file smaller than a --best re-encoding? < 1286127721 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: ALIEN TECHNOLOGY < 1286127728 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the only possible answer < 1286127763 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOLZ NOW I HAVE TO FIND A TRACK THAT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO < 1286127811 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does there exist a turing-complete language in which a program's inverse is just that program written backwards? is that even possible? < 1286127830 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Kayak comes close < 1286127876 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i thought about that once. < 1286127888 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: only close? < 1286127898 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because we don't know whether it's TC or not? < 1286127914 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you also have to switch to the other matching bracket < 1286127919 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286127925 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I continue trying to wrestle with DCGs? < 1286127928 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's fixable, surely? < 1286127929 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: yes < 1286127933 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: they're jawesome < 1286127936 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*jawsome < 1286127947 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are, but they're rather irritating. < 1286127967 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah you could have a matching system where ) ... ( and ( ... ) are both possible < 1286127980 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: it's easily fixable in fact. just make it so that at the top level either ordering is equivalent < 1286127981 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't recall that kayak does that < 1286127993 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: how, with nesting? < 1286127995 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hm < 1286127997 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1286128002 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(foo )bar( quux) < 1286128003 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, once below the top level, you have to use the convention you chose at the top level < 1286128006 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need whitespace-sensitivity :D < 1286128013 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like nopol < 1286128017 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did that with <> and >< < 1286128026 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: the first ) matches the previous ( because there _is_ a previous ( to match, simply < 1286128034 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right. < 1286128045 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vjn.fi/oklopol/nopol.txt unfortunately lacks any examples < 1286128054 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm wait that ><> ending sequence might have one < 1286128055 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not < 1286128066 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has Burro been mentioned yet? < 1286128075 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Burro doesn't qualify < 1286128097 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't, but it's relevant. < 1286128097 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is Kayak TC? < 1286128113 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kayak is TC iirc. but not all programs actually _halt_, in which case reversing it isn't really _that_ meaningful < 1286128120 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus, it would be easier to buy the fucking single and extract the track off at this point < 1286128136 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"kayak is TC iirc. but not all programs actually _halt_" < 1286128139 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: there is no tc tag on the page < 1286128141 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i imagine it is unknown < 1286128150 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"kayak is TC iirc. but not all programs actually _halt_" <-- just love the redundancy of this < 1286128154 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, that's good enough. We only care about reversibility for halting computations. < 1286128178 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you sometimes need to include a bit bucket for tossing information into, if two inputs give the same output < 1286128193 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is something any reversible TC language requires < 1286128196 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it could ununhalt unforever! < 1286128201 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a place to store unnecessary information < 1286128206 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, Burro manages TCness with antiprograms. < 1286128223 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because all function have to be bijections for invertibility to make sense < 1286128299 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but "the set of all functions with finite output" is equivalent to "the set of all bijections, possibly with some of the output discarded" < 1286128359 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :errr.. . ."finite output" should probably be "output sized as a function of input size"... < 1286128507 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing i don't like about kayak (and other reversible languages like befreak) is they include arbitrary rules just to force reversibility < 1286128522 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "In addition, code must result in an empty temporary register when the structure is exited." < 1286128563 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be nice if the limitations on the language fell out of the semantics of provided instructions rather than externally imposed limitations. < 1286128592 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1286128639 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION once pondered how to do reversible jumps in a way that didn't depend on a jump target having to be a jump itself < 1286128658 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: Burro has some neat constructs, but reversible brainfuck pulled off the whole "set of programs form a group under concatenation" thing better IMO < 1286128700 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is it possible? < 1286128705 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love how < 1286128706 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's similar. i thought you could have jump flag, which was toggled by the jump instruction. if the target wasn't an instruction toggling the jump flag, the machine would just _keep on_ jumping < 1286128707 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(x) = x+y < 1286128708 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1286128710 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(x) = x-y < 1286128712 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1286128714 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(x,y) = x+y < 1286128715 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1286128716 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(x,y) = x-y < 1286128718 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't count as "reversible" < 1286128719 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1286128723 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(x,y) = (x+y, x-y) < 1286128723 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does < 1286128725 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could even have a delay for pipelining < 1286128769 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sort of "you cannot change the jump countdown if it is between -N and N" < 1286128777 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and at 0 you jump < 1286128782 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: or f(x,y)=(x,x+y) or (y,x+y) < 1286128796 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yeah < 1286128824 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'm not following < 1286128844 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: the simple version with just a flag, or the pipelining version? < 1286128868 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm guessing the flag thing is like unto Burro's implicit loop? < 1286128873 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :explain better < 1286128874 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286128877 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could be < 1286128893 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now if i buy the single, i need a usb optical drive < 1286128915 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :usb optical drives r p cool dewds < 1286128933 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1286128934 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but this is all for the sake of having a flac version rather than mp3 :) < 1286128941 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have a program counter as usual, and then a jump destination register. if at the end of an instruction the jump flag is set, then those two registers are switched < 1286128941 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1286128942 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 new from £76.95 < 1286128944 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind! < 1286128949 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's for a SINGLE! on CD!) < 1286128955 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(HOW) < 1286128959 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean like a jump with offset instead of a jump to destination directly? < 1286128977 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't have to be an offset < 1286128993 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it _could_ be that instead, of course < 1286128993 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see < 1286129031 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you store the destination to jump back to in your main register before toggling the jump flag < 1286129043 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1286129061 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what makes that reversible? < 1286129066 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er minus the "back" < 1286129091 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and the jump flag is _not_ toggled by the jumping itself < 1286129099 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's essential for reversibility < 1286129101 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can someone *please* explain to me how on earth a CD single can cost £76.95 :) < 1286129135 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if the destination address contains an instruction toggling the jump flag, everything works as expected < 1286129163 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1286129171 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard to see what makes it reversible < 1286129175 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens if it doesn't? < 1286129227 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then after the destination instruction has been performed, since the jump flag is still set, the program counter and the destination register are switched _again_ < 1286129278 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd essentially keep jumping back and forth every other instruction until something toggles the flag, i think < 1286129300 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the usual increment of program counter would apply as well, of course) < 1286129345 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the jump jumps to what was in the dest register BEFORE or AFTER swapping? < 1286129364 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could also include a flag for reversing execution direction in this, that's useful for "cascades" which compute something, store the result then uncompute again to save memory < 1286129390 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: AFTER swapping the program counter _is_ the old destination register < 1286129411 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :jumping is just changing the program counter, after all < 1286129424 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you're swapping the PC with the dest register < 1286129440 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes more sense < 1286129490 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what if i want to jump from A to B then from B+6 to C? how does that look in the reversed version? < 1286129601 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well after unperforming instruction C, presumably the destination register will contain B+7, and the jump flag is set, so it is swapped with the PC, which is then decremented, the B+6 instruction un-unloaded, etc. < 1286129636 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the B+6 instruction should toggle the flag, as should the B instruction < 1286129657 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well all of those instructions mentioned need to toggle the flag < 1286129667 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh because they had to toggle it to begin with, they'll toggle it now too < 1286129672 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1286129674 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i think that works < 1286129680 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so where's the language based on this? < 1286129692 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowhere, alas :D < 1286129701 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXACTLY < 1286129722 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what does the pipelined version do? < 1286129847 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have a jump preparation flag and a jump countdown register instead of just a jump flag < 1286129912 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er call that jump countdown flag < 1286129948 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :while the JCF is set, the JCR is decremented after each instruction. when JCR=0 swap as above. < 1286130033 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pipelining is effected by some additional restrictions: you can only toggle the JCF when JCR is _outside_ some [-N,N] interval, and you can only change the JCR explicitly when the JCF is off, and never to a value in [-N,N] < 1286130070 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this prevents all changing of scheduled jumps that are within a too short distance < 1286130166 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whether this would be very useful is another question < 1286130169 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you write a program that knows when it is going to jump so that it can put the branch instruction into the pipeline in advance? < 1286130198 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, and so it can load instructions at the destination in advance as well < 1286130211 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it knows in good time when it will switch over < 1286130382 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"bf2kayak.pl is a Brainfuck-to-Kayak compiler, written in Perl. I haven't tested it carefully, but it works with some simple programs. I hope this will resolve any lingering doubts as to the Turing-completeness of Kayak." < 1286130401 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/files/kayak/doc/kayak.html) < 1286130498 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, later < 1286130501 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1286130736 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286130751 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is wrong with the log program? < 1286130782 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It died under mysterious circumstances. < 1286130796 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today's file is there, but empty. < 1286130880 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps if they did it like how CthulhuIRCd does the log, it might work better, but I don't know for sure. < 1286130917 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. on the server side) < 1286130942 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://filebin.ca/qfbjap/zzo38.txt this is the last ~24 hours < 1286131001 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Well, it is a bit different format than the clog < 1286131020 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is also a different timezone < 1286131058 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well forgive me for not being perfect < 1286131068 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's eastern daylight time < 1286131072 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :convert it in your head < 1286131092 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's OK. < 1286131099 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am just mentioning that the format is different. < 1286131114 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GMT-4 iirc < 1286131125 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1286131128 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTC-4 < 1286131132 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GMT-5 < 1286131167 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1286131195 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there an open-source APL-alike? < 1286131398 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is another kind of IRC log format (so that you will not get mixed up with timezones): http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/textfile/miscellaneous/SIRCL < 1286131429 0 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahah < 1286131431 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man < 1286131435 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cjb < 1286131437 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :old school < 1286131468 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: not that old school, they only offered redirection way back right? < 1286131474 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas that points to zzo38's actual computer afaik < 1286131483 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so dns < 1286131516 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they've been doing dns for years too < 1286131561 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, incidentally, did anyone else express their displeasure with the addition of Dottyweb to articles? < 1286131591 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did < 1286131594 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1286131599 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno if i got around to saying so on the talk page < 1286131600 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: No. Nobody expressed anything about the addition of Dottyweb to articles. (Although I did put it in the summary text so that you can complain on the Talk page) < 1286131612 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: can i be lazy and complain here? < 1286131641 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd be fine with it if we had a discussion about it first and agreed on it < 1286131642 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: You can, but that won't affect my decision unless you complain on the Talk page. < 1286131657 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not going to complain in one specific place just because you want me to... < 1286131662 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then we can have a proper discussion about it with everyone else on the wiki at any time. < 1286131683 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :generally the discussion comes before the change < 1286131691 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: It does not have to be on a specific Talk page, just put your complaints in any wiki page that is relevant. < 1286131725 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, IRC is better for discussions. < 1286131752 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't mind a discussion on the wiki, but i don't think i should have to initiate it, as i didn't make the changes < 1286131834 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I will initiate the discussion on the page of the wiki instead, though. http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Help_talk:Dottyweb < 1286131843 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that sufficient? < 1286131854 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, I'll write some sort of reply. < 1286131861 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should suffice. < 1286131901 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1286132041 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I have added a comment, and so has Phantom_Cuber. < 1286132118 0 :coppro!~scshunt@unaffiliated/scshunt PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: pong < 1286132143 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: am I in time for mathNEWS? < 1286132196 0 :coppro!~scshunt@unaffiliated/scshunt PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1286132205 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: how long do I have? :P < 1286132209 0 :coppro!~scshunt@unaffiliated/scshunt PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have at least 30 more hours < 1286132248 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: oh, it's assembled on Monday, not Sunday? < 1286132259 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought monday was just when you guys printed it or whatever < 1286132301 0 :coppro!~scshunt@unaffiliated/scshunt PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monday is the writing/proofing night, then the editors spend Tuesday doing layout and Wednesday it gets sent to the printer < 1286132307 0 :coppro!~scshunt@unaffiliated/scshunt PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friday it gets released < 1286132342 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's much more time than I thought, then < 1286132357 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought Sunday was a crazy day of proofing and layout and Monday it was sent to the printer, from what you said < 1286132381 0 :coppro!~scshunt@unaffiliated/scshunt PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, no < 1286132439 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you get my link to the draft? i'm not sure whether i've got my crazyML right :) < 1286132441 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yesterday) < 1286132463 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will stop adding the {{.file| templates to things that I did not write myself. (If you think it should be removed from the other pages that I did not add it to, please do so yourself.) < 1286132471 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Okay. < 1286132519 0 :coppro!~scshunt@unaffiliated/scshunt PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I did, but I have not read it < 1286132526 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1286132528 0 :coppro!~scshunt@unaffiliated/scshunt PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I do not have time right now. I have to go sort boardgames < 1286132536 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A mammoth task. < 1286132574 0 :coppro!~scshunt@unaffiliated/scshunt PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1286132938 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to know if there is any other IRC software that does channel log on the server. < 1286132981 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: cmeme used to < 1286132983 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then it dieded < 1286132985 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :botte does < 1286132986 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1286133013 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot, not you, I suppose? < 1286133048 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot doesn't; nor fungot or EgoBot or HackEgo < 1286133048 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: oh. what'd he want? < 1286133050 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just clog and botte < 1286133071 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think any of those are IRC servers that do server-side logging, which is what I think was asked. < 1286133094 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, look. TV Tropes continues its march towards formal bureaucracy. < 1286133095 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on the earlier thing about CthulhuIRCd. < 1286133099 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I might misinterpret. < 1286133099 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes it is what I ask < 1286133113 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This is based on opinion. < 1286133114 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please don't list it on a work's page as a trope. Examples can go here. " This is on the Crazy Awesome page. < 1286133137 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was no problem with that in trope listings. < 1286133155 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: :'( < 1286133167 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: If it depresses you, browse WardsWiki a bit. < 1286133170 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It cheers anyone up. < 1286133175 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, any hopeless programming nerd. < 1286133186 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://c2.com/cgi/wiki I even clickified it for you! < 1286133243 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286133424 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dear #esoteric: who wants me to document Hofstadter's typogenetics on the wiki? < 1286133514 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I do. < 1286133691 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will do it if two more people respond < 1286133718 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Typogenetics? < 1286133740 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to know what it is, so I suppose that's a "yes". < 1286133840 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, Nightmare Fuel is now classified as a subjective trope. < 1286133851 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. it shouldn't be listed on the articles for works. < 1286133853 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1286133896 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type div < 1286133897 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Integral a) => a -> a -> a < 1286133913 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: xDDD < 1286133918 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: is that the TNT stuff? < 1286133919 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, sure < 1286133928 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: make sure to use the proper unicode though... at least i think he used some non-ASCII stuff < 1286133929 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Changing host < 1286133929 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/fiq JOIN :#esoteric < 1286133947 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, the whole subjective trope list is depressing. < 1286133961 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/fiq QUIT :Changing host < 1286133961 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1286133967 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: Who runs the thing, anyway? < 1286133968 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"So Bad It's Good" < 1286133972 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not even http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV_Tropes lists. < 1286133976 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*says. < 1286133991 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea. < 1286133991 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: truly depressing < 1286133995 0 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1286133996 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TV Tropes is not Wiipedia! < 1286133998 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Wikipedia! < 1286134037 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Complete Monster. Adaptation Decay. < 1286134046 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: stop it. stop. < 1286134051 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: is Big Bad on there < 1286134053 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :please say yes < 1286134053 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jumping The Shark. < 1286134056 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not. < 1286134056 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :morals aren't objective! < 1286134059 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: put it on < 1286134089 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nightmare Fuel and its relatives. < 1286134095 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not Fetish Fuel. < 1286134104 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moral Event Horizon. < 1286134111 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sequelitis. < 1286134131 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crowning Moment Of Awesome is thankfully not. < 1286134138 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Wesley. < 1286134144 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: LET'S FORK IT! (no) < 1286134147 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunate Implications. < 1286134154 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tear Jerker. < 1286134165 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate my life. < 1286134177 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Popular, Now It Sucks. < 1286134187 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TV Tropes: It's popular, now it sucks. < 1286134190 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is *about the fandom's reaction*, not the work itself. < 1286134231 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait... < 1286134239 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are categories. < 1286134265 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Momentipelago is in them. < 1286134274 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Changing host < 1286134274 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/fiq JOIN :#esoteric < 1286134286 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :As is Fetish Fuel. < 1286134287 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/fiq QUIT :Changing host < 1286134287 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1286134306 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magnificent Bastard. < 1286134309 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Large Ham. < 1286134409 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should stop this. < 1286134418 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAGNIFICENT BASTARD IS SUBJECTIVE? < 1286134421 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVERY FUCKING THING IS SUBJECTVIE!!!! < 1286134424 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently. < 1286134516 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fast Eddie seems to have something to do with this. < 1286134525 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :He is one of the 3 founders AFAIK. < 1286134579 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: TNT is not a programming language per se. it has no imperative element to it. < 1286134617 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :typogenetics is the programming language designed to model the complexity of DNA/RNA/proteins < 1286134619 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, wha..? < 1286134628 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaah. < 1286134649 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: oh that one < 1286134657 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: also, many languages have no imperative element. < 1286134661 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as the lambda calculus < 1286134710 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they usually have some implicit imperative element though < 1286134727 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if they don't... < 1286134728 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "evaluate this function by name" < 1286134729 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: [[Works for a major videogame producer as a hackist. Which is why he never goes into the Videogames section. Ever. < 1286134729 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :About to be fired unless he starts doing more matrix-algebraic hackitation than Tropering.]] < 1286134732 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: IRRITATING USE OF HACK < 1286134737 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: that's a model in an imperative universe < 1286134739 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the language itself < 1286134766 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, never trust someone who actually calls themselves a hacker. < 1286134772 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And is less than 40. < 1286134773 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: no, but it is an imperative element of the universe in which the language finds itself < 1286134800 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TNT on the other hand is in a universe purely dreamed of for the declaration and specification of theorems < 1286134803 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: Or is Eric S. Raymond. < 1286134813 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for the specification of algorithms to decide them < 1286134824 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i think you're wrong but whatever, it's irrelevant :P < 1286134825 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, that's the Fundamental Theorem of Trustworthiness. < 1286134869 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: do you draw any line between "programming language" and "formal system for typographic manipulation"? < 1286134889 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from a page he links: < 1286134893 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Irish Travellers are not Gypsies, yet they are often called so by Gadjo (non-Gypsies)." < 1286134894 0 :coppro!~scshunt@unaffiliated/scshunt PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: the code paragraphs are indented < 1286134900 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: not really. maybe. bleh, whatever < 1286134904 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: the code paragraphs aren't < 1286134906 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
 is not 

< 1286134920 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: or, are you actually testing with the system or something? < 1286134941 0 :coppro!~scshunt@unaffiliated/scshunt PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I was just looking at the previous issue < 1286134983 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: oh, right, i see < 1286134989 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: is the "print" line indented? < 1286134991 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :beyond the while statement < 1286135044 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, is it actually shown as monospaced??) < 1286135696 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: bah! busy sorting board games no doubt < 1286135743 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1286135830 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you mad that I put too much money in your tea? < 1286135887 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed! < 1286135903 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I like my tea to be cheap. < 1286135954 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I drink my tea with all this money in it? < 1286135957 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW? < 1286136017 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :take the money out < 1286136018 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :drink < 1286136029 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can't put money in tea! < 1286136029 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :spend the money on more tea < 1286136035 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It destroys the flavour! < 1286136068 0 :iGO!~xk001@62.169.102.228.rev.optimus.pt JOIN :#esoteric < 1286136096 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if the money is made of . . .tea leaves? < 1286136106 0 :flippo!~frivol@unaffiliated/flippo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Money is filthy, teaming with germs < 1286136126 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Listen to he who flips. < 1286136132 0 :flippo!~frivol@unaffiliated/flippo PRIVMSG #esoteric :[teeming] < 1286136145 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-8-246.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286136179 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-8-246.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286136271 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, incidentally, today's top story in the Edinburgh Evening News: < 1286136285 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"CITY SET TO RIP UP TRAM CONTRACT" < 1286136319 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: do they like the trams or not < 1286136328 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :They *HATE* trams. < 1286136347 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where normal tabloids have pedos, the EEN has trams. < 1286136356 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Searching "tram" on their site: < 1286136364 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"TRAM ROW GOES INTERNATIONAL" < 1286136368 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286136370 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Link me to this site < 1286136372 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds amazing < 1286136382 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"TRAM BOSSES HAVE NO PLANS TO REPAIR CRACKED FOUNDATIONS" < 1286136401 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"TRAM WARS AS GERMAN CONTRACTOR WALKS OFF THE JOB" < 1286136422 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"TRAM BOSSES DEFEND 'SCANDALOUS' EXPENSES" < 1286136430 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: <3 < 1286136440 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/ < 1286136451 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bundle of awful tabloid journalism. < 1286136470 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Search for "council": < 1286136481 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"MEETING QUESTIONS SNUBBED AT COUNCIL MEETING" < 1286136489 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"TRAM SHIFTS FOR POPE" < 1286136494 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I played D&D game a few days ago, I try to win without making anyone else dead, I already managed to avoid kill the mindflayer and to sabotage the bell, now we can convince them the god Mask is dead < 1286136543 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many people do not like this kind of game they prefer to kill everyone and to avoid too much complicated ideas < 1286136563 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :At one point they talked about the dangerous level of carbon given off by tram works. < 1286136585 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The comments are pretty fun as well. < 1286136611 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I prefer to kill everyone in real life. < 1286136611 0 :flippo!~frivol@unaffiliated/flippo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seem to be a lot of quotes from tories. < 1286136624 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"OWN GOAL FOR COMPUTER GAMES FAN ROBBED OF NEW TITLE WITHIN MINUTES" < 1286136639 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: what xD < 1286136649 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT MAKES NO SENSE < 1286136660 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: O, you prefer to kill everyone in real life? Include you? < 1286136674 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yes; me after everyone else. < 1286136677 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Canada is next on my list. < 1286136678 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, not one paragraph in that article is more than a sentence long. < 1286136687 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: Do link. Before you die. < 1286136699 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a thing to behold. < 1286136704 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/topstories/Own-goal-for-computer-games.6562082.jp < 1286136706 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :.jp? < 1286136718 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Japanese! < 1286136722 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Java Page? Who knows. < 1286136742 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"GIRLS WHO LEAVE SCHOOL EARLY MISSING OUT ON VITAL CANCER JAB" < 1286136746 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I play D&D game try to don't kill everyone, is more interesting than the other way, isn't it? < 1286136766 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: CANCER jab???? What < 1286136771 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yes. But in real life... < 1286136777 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The HPV jab. < 1286136801 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: lawwwl < 1286136811 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The people may be the biggest problem in real life, but that doesn't mean it is one that ought to be fixed. (At least not for another million years or so, if ever) < 1286136851 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"JUNGLE TRIP ASHLEY CAUGHT IN UPRISING" < 1286136878 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO, WORMS! < 1286136886 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Too late, I am already doing so. < 1286136932 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286136957 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A new 2D Worms game for the PC. < 1286136968 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The day, I saw thought, never. < 1286136997 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"TEAR UP TRAMS CONTRACT, DEMAND CRITICS" < 1286137005 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LESS TRAMS MORE WORMS < 1286137099 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise is making better nonsense than the newspaper < 1286137114 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Only nonsense to the uninformed, my friend! < 1286137144 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The day, I saw thought, never." this makes no sense to anyone informed or not < 1286137153 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rearrange it. < 1286137183 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Never thought I saw the day?" < 1286137197 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still not a very good sentence < 1286137204 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you know what I mean. :P < 1286137331 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ceefax will end in 2012! < 1286137347 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is obviously the catastrophe the Mayans predicted! < 1286137691 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: NO < 1286137825 0 :ehird!d55ec16e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.94.193.110 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286137846 0 :ehird!d55ec16e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.94.193.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1286137924 0 :ehird!d55ec16e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.94.193.110 QUIT :Client Quit < 1286137945 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was not me. < 1286137974 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: quintopia: was that you? < 1286137995 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Twasn't me. < 1286138004 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is not that evil < 1286138018 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless I said something like "This isn't actually ehird" < 1286138084 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1286138084 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1286138085 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not me < 1286138108 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i just walked into the kitchen and somehow i've got a really tasty spice smell on my fingers now < 1286138201 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who wants to give me lot sof money?! < 1286138217 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the government! < 1286138226 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope :P < 1286138233 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did anyone whois that ehird when it was online? < 1286138254 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* ehird (d55ec16e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.94.193.110) has joined #esoteric < 1286138264 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If that's any help < 1286138395 0 :Flonk!~chatzilla@80-123-39-245.adsl.highway.telekom.at QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.10/20100914125854] < 1286138454 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means he used webchat < 1286138459 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka zero help < 1286138628 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the IP, though; a hotel in Dublin. < 1286138646 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/in/around/ < 1286138675 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds hard to fake, but useless for identification < 1286139001 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :check this out: https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=1xMe6RAsshEhAfbyrJQggLZV6-buMvZFYCj-v9N-uGE6nphQm_Iw2rw5IulhV&hl=en&authkey=CO78idQG < 1286139173 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw, the name *was* in use, then! (Re the "Grasp" draft at http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Fizzie I sketched.) < 1286139349 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are there so few languages that look nice when printed? < 1286139401 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: Because. < 1286139403 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortress! < 1286139434 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never been able to get Fortress working... < 1286139485 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, someone announced that Duke Nukem Forever was going to be released? < 1286139487 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMPOSSIBLE < 1286139575 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : So, I got that Feather spec and implementation finished. < 1286139625 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evening News: "FORTH BRIDGE PAINTING COMPLETED" < 1286139650 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stallman: "Hey guys! The HURD is finished! Now stop using that silly Linux thing." < 1286139672 0 :comex!?@? NICK :TheLastPOPE < 1286139675 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the major flaw with the spec i linked that i commented on to the authors when i first read it last year was that it didn't have the property you specify in your sketch < 1286139693 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: in particular, i would love to see a merging of your idea and the ideas in the above spec < 1286139726 0 :TheLastPOPE!?@? NICK :comex < 1286139746 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Wait, someone announced that Duke Nukem Forever was going to be released? ;; it is < 1286139755 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: The past elope. < 1286139781 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Duke Nukem Forever's nonexistence has been a constant for as long as I have particularly cared! < 1286139788 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What will I believe in now?? < 1286139811 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: also, your methods for implementing your "main idea" bear a striking resemblance to the methods the authors of Illumination Software Creator use. < 1286139886 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still want to do that "FSM in a planar graph with one storage module" idea... < 1286139939 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~nice@p5B132EBA.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286139951 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1286139975 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wherein some form of network transmission protocol would have to be implemented. < 1286140257 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: also, your methods for implementing your "main idea" bear a striking resemblance to the methods the authors of Illumination Software Creator use. < 1286140260 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is NOT a good thing :D < 1286140566 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders how one would perform subgraph matching in Prolog. < 1286140582 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: just pointing out how hard it is to be original when creating languages < 1286140603 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: wut < 1286140612 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are different enough in this case that a small modification would give them a lot of merit < 1286140657 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, for Eodermdrome. < 1286140668 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a subgraph in this context? < 1286140673 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1286140956 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: BTW, flac -f --best < 1286140965 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I did that. < 1286140968 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: That decodes and reëncodes, preserving metadata < 1286140971 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay then. < 1286140971 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It ended up *bigger* somehow < 1286140974 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Well < 1286140977 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I piped decode to encode < 1286140980 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But somehow the output was actually bigger < 1286140983 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they must have done something crazy < 1286140990 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Odd. < 1286141243 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So, how much would you rage if the only copy you could find of something was an MP3? < 1286141245 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Literally. < 1286141247 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All over the internet. < 1286141268 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I currently have a lot of rage because of that. < 1286141271 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Also, how about it has the same title as an album by the same band, so you can't search easily? < 1286141274 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARE YOU FEELING THE FUCKING PAIN < 1286141283 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And how about a new copy of a CD it's on is over seventy fucking pounds? < 1286141288 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Used for less, but STILL.) < 1286141378 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ARE YOU FEELING THE LOVE < 1286141385 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fek < 1286141396 0 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.115.83.45 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286141403 0 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.115.83.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi :-) < 1286141452 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hallo < 1286141467 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY CAN I NOT WATCH FUTURAMA < 1286141476 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you have been here before but not since i have been here < 1286141476 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT BURNS WITH A FIRE WITHIN ME < 1286141558 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders simply torrenting it. < 1286141654 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~nice@p5B132EBA.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286141708 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber, hmm? < 1286141736 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, you just *try* finding a UK channel that shows it. < 1286141773 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: I suggest torrenting it. < 1286141773 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tends to look for websites :/ < 1286141782 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: has a TC machine with planar FSM and single infinite storage module not already been done somewhere? < 1286141786 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, OK. < 1286141794 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, not sure... < 1286141805 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the solution to most TV, in fact. < 1286141814 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i seem to recall the strong wire-crossing hypothesis being pretty much busted (rule 110 a counterexample?) < 1286141814 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, should I start at series 1? < 1286141819 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: Very yes. < 1286141828 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i feel like it must have been done by now < 1286141832 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: If you don't download the largest filesize option in all cases I will murder you. < 1286141838 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it's not totally killed yet < 1286141845 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ... < 1286141861 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: KWALITEE < 1286141871 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll murder you, and your little dog too! < 1286141871 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Invader Zim ISO dumps. Highly tempting. < 1286141906 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you watch so much TV? < 1286141908 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm picky about my encodes, mmkay?) < 1286141921 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fullscreen Flash outside of YouTube is failing HARD < 1286141958 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome! < 1286141967 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get to hear the audio of an episode without any video! < 1286141969 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[What we're avoiding < 1286141969 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sprintf() breaking in PHP]] --definition of Perl Kwalitee < 1286141972 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell does that mean? < 1286141974 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grrrrr < 1286141975 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, incidentally, is there a nice way to schedule the torrent? < 1286141995 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to watch them in the appropriate order, rather than getting all of the episodes after a long time. < 1286142163 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION fetches some freaking DVD dumps of Invader Zim just to encode them properly < 1286142207 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: Not really. < 1286142219 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: BitTorrent is inherently you-get-random-data, basically. < 1286142223 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1286142224 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You CAN do it, manually, but it won't work well. < 1286142227 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And other clients will hate you. < 1286142231 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: Just download season 1 first... < 1286142235 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It won't take that long. < 1286142248 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way of telling it "prioritise the earlier episodes if you see a bit of data"? < 1286142255 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber never saw Futurama? < 1286142261 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, there are websites >.> < 1286142284 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, I understand this, but it was just never relevant. < 1286142340 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1286142363 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION also deletes some shitty movies that won't ever get watched again < 1286142397 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and inexplicable 4:3 cropped rips of movies. < 1286142406 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather gouge out my eyes than watch those. < 1286142482 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes that all of the major British channels have some sort of online catchup service. < 1286142636 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Is there a way of telling it "prioritise the earlier episodes if you see a bit of data"? ;; this makes no sense < 1286142654 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not. < 1286142868 0 :Harpyon!~Harpyon@ti0031a380-0251.bb.online.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1286143125 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So wait, how would you do the subgraph matching in Prolog? < 1286143547 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286143590 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286143711 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286143842 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-8-246.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286144231 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody needs to make an MMO in the style of adventure games like King's Quest.' < 1286144572 0 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.115.83.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone use Tcl? < 1286144632 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION  < 1286144680 0 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.115.83.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't get TclRobots running on ActivestateTcl for Windows :-( < 1286144873 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then what you really need is somebody who uses both Tcl and Windows, innit? :P < 1286144933 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows is pain and agony. < 1286145011 0 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.115.83.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try it on Linux when I get chance < 1286145130 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286145134 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vomits at the quality of one of the series on his hard drive < 1286145151 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286145157 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey QUIT :Quit: Welcome honored guest. I got the key you want! would you like onderves. of Yourself < 1286145195 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :720p, encoded at a lower bitrate than I do for DVD rips. < 1286145210 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get that h264 is good, but it's not *that* good. < 1286145346 0 :Harpyon!~Harpyon@ti0031a380-0251.bb.online.no QUIT :Quit: Harpyon < 1286145383 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1286145642 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1286145646 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :→ < 1286146272 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286146294 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286146512 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286146755 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have large capacity disk to store a video, you can store uncompressed video by converting a NTSC or PAL signal to a digital file. < 1286146851 0 :augur!?@? NICK :augur[reading < 1286146854 0 :augur[reading!?@? NICK :augur[reading] < 1286147099 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: That's pretty ridiculous, though. < 1286147129 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially when you consider that with video, there's generally already been tons of generation loss. < 1286147585 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many mathematical symbols do you need to write whatever article you are writing? Computer Modern contains many, we probably don't need a lot of other ones, but some of the symbols in WEBMATH are I design that might be used in mathematics, such as blackboard bold, therefore sign, alternate empty set, < 1286147622 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which others are common enough to include? Probably many can just be composed from overlapping and arranging other characters in Computer Modern and WEBMATH combined, using various commands in TeX. < 1286147725 0 :tombom_!~tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1286147881 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1286148128 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, is clog still deaD? < 1286148128 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: i thought you'd be better at playing a gay vampire. and i do believe it's time for my medicine! < 1286148132 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*dead < 1286148139 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eeeeeew... < 1286148192 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, whence the need for medicine? < 1286148192 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: that's right. no. no fucking way. < 1286148238 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1286148238 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc jargon lovecraft nethack pa* speeches ss wp youtube < 1286148248 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahhh. < 1286148265 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm? < 1286148287 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: Why aren't you better at playing a gay vampire? < 1286148324 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm terrible at roleplay. < 1286148396 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Helloth for everyone! How are you all, my thweet guestth? [pops out fangs] Ah, that's better." < 1286148405 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE GAY PEOPLE LISP < 1286148488 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286148540 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi ais523. < 1286148567 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi alise < 1286148689 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, in response to the recent announcement of the immanent completion of Duke Nukem Forever, do you plan to complete the spec for Feather? < 1286148704 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: not today, I'm busy in RL < 1286148715 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Baaah. < 1286148820 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Are you anal enough to purchase releases unavailable online in FLAC solely to correct this injustice? < 1286148829 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1286148854 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1286148945 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming it was really imm_a_nent, i wouldn't put _too_ much importance on it ;D < 1286148967 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :'of a mental act performed entirely within the mind; "a cognition is an immanent act of mind"' < 1286148979 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: No, but only due to lack of expendable funds. < 1286148981 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imminent? < 1286148989 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Effing homophones. < 1286149009 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But you can get a used CD for like ... like £3-£5! < 1286149011 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Of it.) < 1286149017 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Client Quit < 1286149038 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Actually £8.99 BUT WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE < 1286149065 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I'm saying is: Public duty. < 1286149131 0 :augur[reading]!~augur@129.2.129.35 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286149201 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Except when what you're missing is obscure. < 1286149208 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → sleep < 1286149243 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: No, there is an actual item for £8.99 in this case. < 1286149249 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1286149285 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Therefore FIX THE UNIVERSE < 1286149302 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah _someone_ better fix it < 1286149312 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-200-81.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :maaaan < 1286149317 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-200-81.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have enjoyed myself today. < 1286149319 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: DO YOU AGREE < 1286149331 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hates US jury selection < 1286149339 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You cannot avoid your destiny < 1286149390 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he _could_ say he is fundamentally against the concept of punishment, the prosecutors would probably through him out :D < 1286149395 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(iiuc) < 1286149406 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*throw < 1286149418 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No, I'm not actually selected for jury duty, I'm just hating how we go about choosing jurors. < 1286149458 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1286149462 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Notable properties include that for any capital cases, jurors opposed to a death sentence are summarily removed from the jury pool. < 1286149467 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1286149481 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...that was sort of what i was alluding to < 1286149504 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keep in mind that we have a civil law system, wherein the jurors opinions *can in fact set law*. < 1286149530 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, you can refuse to accept the notion that the judge sets what information is and isn't admissable for the jury to hear < 1286149536 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, they ask you whether you accept that notion or not < 1286149545 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure what happens if you say no < 1286149550 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is in the US) < 1286149559 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, being aware of jury nullification gets you thrown out. < 1286149603 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the UK, jury selection's a lot more determined; they take the first 12 people selected at random, unless there's a really strong reason why they shouldn't judge that trial < 1286149610 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as being related to one of the witnesses or defendants < 1286149614 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: See, that would be sane. < 1286149621 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a member of a particular ancient order of lighthouse-keepers < 1286149647 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But here, if you are aware that you can rule against the law & evidence because you find it unjust to do so, *you cannot be in a jury*. < 1286149647 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-52-242.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1286149733 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'm aware < 1286149743 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you personally try to inform a jury of this ability in court, *they have to select a new jury*. < 1286149747 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is so very fucked up. < 1286149771 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been following the SCO v Novell transcripts, one of them was of the jury selection < 1286149801 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes a farce of the whole court system if you ask me. < 1286149917 0 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286149918 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-52-242.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286149919 0 :sebbu2!?@? NICK :sebbu < 1286149921 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric : pikhq: You cannot avoid your destiny ;; I mean the music < 1286149941 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"n 2001, a California Supreme Court ruling on a case involving statutory rape led to a new jury instruction that requires jurors to inform the judge whenever a fellow panelist appears to be deciding a case based on his or her dislike of a law." < 1286149981 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the hell is the *point* of a jury if they cannot have an opinion on the law? < 1286150042 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: the law is written by lobbyists; a majority of 12 random people tend to not be lobbyists < 1286150048 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: the US is a country based on ignoring its founding principles < 1286150052 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the end < 1286150055 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus they are not competent to decide what the law is < 1286150087 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-200-81.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO ALISE < 1286150096 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-200-81.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :USA is a country based on COGNITIVE DISSONANCE < 1286150105 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yeah, fuck the lobbyists with a chainsaw. < 1286150143 0 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:32ae:1:4261:86ff:fe96:fca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Satutory rape... That would be real good source of cases where "not guilty" verdict would be right thing to do. < 1286150246 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-200-81.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if it were your daughter < 1286150272 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: You realise *statutory* rape is consensual sex, right? < 1286150279 0 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:32ae:1:4261:86ff:fe96:fca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That wouldn't change what was the right thing to do. < 1286150298 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-200-81.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but children can't consent to sex < 1286150326 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/children/17 year and 364 day olds/ :P < 1286150345 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the UK, they go to real lengths to protect the jurors < 1286150346 0 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:32ae:1:4261:86ff:fe96:fca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might also get some talking to, but that's not matter of law. < 1286150354 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's illegal to record their faces, for instance < 1286150391 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :photography's banned in courtrooms; it is legal to make a /painting/ of a court in session, but the artist needs to arrange things such that the jurors' faces can't be seen, normally by conveniently putting a handrail or something in the way < 1286150398 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: So... You guys actually have juries as a matter of fact, rather than as a body to delegate the judge's opinion onto.