00:00:03 And, uh, their policy that I now can't find was "we literally don't look at money at all when admitting, and then we promise you can attend if we accept you" 00:00:06 pikhq: Ah. 00:00:11 So a bad example to look at, then! 00:00:15 The others must be too ashamed to talk about it. 00:00:17 cpressey, I wouldn't be installing it on the school's server 00:00:24 I'd be using the server as storage space 00:00:30 And using FUSE (I think) to install here 00:00:33 alise: Harvard hands out free rides to people who can't afford to go to there. 00:00:41 (that is, everything paid for) 00:00:43 Sgeo: oh like um wow ok 00:00:49 pikhq: It's quite strange, that. 00:00:55 pikhq: Doesn't really gel with the elitism, does it? 00:00:56 It's a 200mb file though 00:01:27 alise: Anyone who's accepted there is already sufficiently elite for them. 00:01:32 pikhq: Heh. 00:01:51 pikhq: Then Ivy League/MIT have a better system than the UK. 00:02:01 pikhq: Get into Oxford? ENJOY YOUR STUDENT LOAN'S CRIPPLING DEBT 00:02:08 YOU WILL BE STUCK WITH IT FOREVER 00:02:16 Fellate the wonderful student loan company! They love you! 00:02:29 alise: Even if you're coming from absolutely nothing, it's still someone who's pretty damned smart & hardworking, and as such likely to be future elite. 00:02:48 alise: Yeah, and Oxford's cheap by US standards. ;) 00:03:50 pikhq: It's probably cheaper to go to a European university. 00:04:03 But not quite as classy as being able to whip out your I-went-to-Oxford/Harvard card. 00:04:14 You want infuriating, though? 00:04:20 US public school lunches. 00:04:37 I don't want to know. I don't even want to know. Go on. 00:04:39 Fries & ketchup count as two servings of vegetables. 00:04:46 haha 00:04:48 that's brilliant 00:04:52 And as such, every lunch comes with them. 00:05:18 "you sent it to All Course Faculty, instead of me, so it placed your message in a different inbox." 00:05:22 FUCK YOU ANGEL 00:05:30 FUCK YOU IN THE REAR END 00:05:35 Rear end? SRSLY 00:05:52 Deep fried, breaded cheese can count as a main course. (mozzarella cheese sticks) 00:06:08 pikhq: xD 00:06:19 Or (and this is very common) the world's greasiest, blandest pizza. 00:06:35 Daily. 00:07:16 FUSE is what I think it is, right? 00:07:42 -!- comex has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 00:08:12 -!- FireFly has quit (Quit: swatted to death). 00:08:47 -!- comex has joined. 00:08:57 alise: Oh, and fries covered with imitation American cheese food sauce! 00:09:11 HOORJ 00:09:11 ... With imitation bacon-flavored bits! 00:09:16 what 00:10:21 In fact, most of it comes with imitation cheese or very cheap cheese, because it comes effectively free. 00:10:27 Do all distros use FUSE these days? 00:10:42 (as a farm support program, the government buys all excess cheese. Really.) 00:11:06 Sgeo: yes, for ntfs-3g. 00:11:08 more or less. 00:11:17 pikhq: why is america 00:11:32 And why does it mount by default under .gvfs? 00:11:41 Is that an Ubuntu thing, a GNOME thing, or a FUSE thing? 00:11:47 Sgeo: GNOME thing. 00:12:14 What does KDE do? 00:12:34 Sgeo: kde doesn't 00:12:36 it has kIO 00:12:37 and stuff 00:12:39 kio 00:12:40 whatever 00:12:43 Sgeo: it's also fuse 00:12:47 it's gnome's vfs fuse filesystem 00:13:06 * Sgeo prefers GNOME's way 00:13:13 Oh 00:13:14 Wait 00:13:18 ...wait 00:13:23 KDE doesn't use FUSE? 00:14:01 Nope. 00:14:08 Also, are you sure you understand either way? 00:14:10 KDE's is superior. 00:14:16 pikhq: Can you explain fraternities to me? 00:14:18 I don't get it. 00:14:37 alise: No. 00:14:50 pikhq: But... but you see, I don't get it. 00:14:59 I can't use what KDE does from the commandline, can I? 00:15:23 Sgeo: Go on, try and use .gvfs from the command-line. 00:15:30 Also, pretty sure there is some sort of command-line infrastructure for it. 00:15:40 pikhq: No seriously fraternities, explain them. 00:15:42 alise, I'm about to 00:15:50 As soon as this thing finishes uploading 00:16:40 alise: Uh, drunk bastards live in communal housing. 00:16:46 alise: That's... About it. 00:17:16 pikhq: So, what, is there no communal housing without the drunk part? 00:17:18 :P 00:17:55 alise: Oh, they also get really worked up about it, due to practices such as "selective membership" and "keeping secrets". 00:19:53 pikhq: NOW EXPLAIN FREEMASONRY 00:21:15 -!- cheater99 has joined. 00:21:20 * Sgeo attempts to run a program located in .gvfs 00:21:44 Seems to be working just fine 00:21:50 A bit slow, really 00:23:30 i think i should design really small objective lang that would allow to write concurrent programs easily 00:23:41 some kind of event driven shit 00:24:07 i'm thinking about my academic project for this semester 00:24:10 pikhq: FREEMASONRY 00:24:11 EXPLAIN IT 00:24:31 Um, does sftp allow access to random parts of a file? If not, how does FUSE simulate it 00:25:26 Sgeo: by reading all of it. 00:25:39 Repeatedly? 00:26:17 Um, how much random reading would a typical Linux installer require? 00:26:22 alise: alpha lambda iota sigma epsilon 00:26:38 Sgeo: whatever you're doing, just don't. 00:27:08 Having some trouble killing it 00:28:05 I appear to be unable to access my own filesystem 00:28:43 pikhq: Now explain why you have weird names for every year of high school. 00:30:04 pikhq: EXPLAIN, AMERICA! Explain yourself! 00:30:10 America is on trial and YOU are its representative! 00:33:40 alise: Freshman sophomore junior senior? No clue. 00:34:14 pikhq: And then you... reuse freshman at college level. 00:34:14 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 00:34:19 Because TERMINOLOGY SHOULDN'T BE USEFUL 00:34:38 Freshman sophomore junior senior through college, as well. 00:35:03 Though freshman is cognate to UK "fresher"... 00:35:15 Still, I got nothing. 00:35:39 -!- Mathnerd314 has joined. 00:35:48 pikhq: Now freemasonry. 00:36:31 alise: You first. 00:36:34 No? Alright then. Goodnight. 00:36:35 Bye. :P 00:36:38 It's a UK organisation. 00:36:39 -!- alise has quit (Quit: Leaving). 00:36:42 That got exported. 00:38:36 -!- Sgeo has joined. 00:44:59 -!- oerjan has joined. 00:47:15 -!- augur_ has joined. 00:47:34 -!- augur_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:47:44 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 00:48:34 -!- augur has joined. 00:53:42 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 01:01:07 -!- cpressey has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 01:13:27 Hmm. A data: URI quine. 01:17:59 Can you use gzip or something in data: URI? 01:20:09 data:application/x-gzip;base64, says yes 01:22:40 nu omega omega gamma alpha 01:22:53 -!- cpressey_ has changed nick to cpressey. 01:33:23 -!- mzstorkipiwanbot has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:33:34 -!- cpressey has quit (Quit: leaving). 01:39:50 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 01:45:20 pikhq: Then it should be possible to make... There's already gzip quine. 01:45:41 Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr 01:45:45 I've lost weight 01:45:49 109.5lbs 01:45:54 From 111 01:46:08 Unless the scale is off, or that's a normal range of variation 01:46:56 Sgeo: You don't happen to drink full-fat milk? 01:47:08 ..no, why? 01:47:31 Ah... Because full fat milk isn't that great for weight gain... 01:47:40 Sgeo: I'm pretty sure that's not an *atypical* range of variation. 01:48:02 Why don't you just eat a typical American diet? Y'know, deep-fried lard. 01:48:23 I kind of signed up for this bone marrow donor thing a while ago.. 01:48:30 And the limit is 110 01:49:09 http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/do3cw/thats_what_happens_when_your_cs_curriculum_is/c11n5f1 01:49:13 Lard isn't great for weight gain either... Loads of carbohydrates and fats might work... 01:49:28 Ilari: I'm being silly. 01:49:46 Especially soft fats... 02:05:13 Mmmmmmmmm 02:05:13 Soft fats 02:05:14 I spread soft fats on toast for breakfast. 02:08:52 -!- antivigilante__ has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat). 02:09:38 Even if I was 111lbs, would it be safe for me to be donating blood? 02:11:38 Of course, weight gain using "all means necressary" might not be healthy... 02:14:41 You know, like some people getting Diabetes type 2 (NASTY NASTY disease) without even being "overweight". 02:15:43 Is it possible to lose diabetes type 2? 02:16:56 Maybe... Maybe not... 02:17:45 (and that's to "if it is possible at all"). Typically it will not be lost. 02:21:06 -!- cpressey has joined. 02:22:22 -!- Mathnerd314 has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 02:24:08 Its not even known what exactly causes diabetes type 2... 02:26:29 Type 2 diabetes is essentially extreme intolerance to carbohydrates and inability to keep blood sugars (even fasting) in check. 02:26:52 Due to very high levels of insulin resistance. 02:33:47 Ilari: So, what, all we know is that there is a *correlation* between excess consumption of carbohydrates & type 2 diabetes? 02:34:25 Its not carbohydrates per se. Nor it is fast carbohydrates per se... 02:35:01 Note that I'm just saying "correlation". 02:35:30 Which, as we all well know, says fuck-all about actual causes. 02:36:31 I had the impression it was something to do with the metabolization of carbohydrates. 02:36:49 and/or sugars. 02:40:51 I guess what I mean is we can say what "causes" it -- insulin is no longer doing what it's supposed to. 02:41:01 What causes *that* is the mystery. 02:41:26 Just one more thing that medicine is completely in the dark about. 02:51:11 -!- lament has joined. 03:00:14 lament: #haskell is very active while #scheme is essentially dead. do you see any significance in this? 03:05:53 -!- wareya_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 03:06:38 -!- wareya has joined. 03:15:01 -!- Mathnerd314 has joined. 03:16:08 Actually its known bit further: Pancreas can no longer pump the amount of insulin required to keep blood sugars in check. And when that happens, things start getting downhill really fast. 03:16:51 But what causes the extreme insulin resistance required... 03:21:27 cpressey: yes. 04:11:02 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ge9VfALthLI 04:14:01 nice 04:14:25 That's an almost-surreal level of stupidity. 04:21:27 we'll he was probably mentally retarded. it's not really surreal 04:31:56 "It no open push harder". 04:32:50 It seems to me like if you're going to the basement, gravity's on your side anyway, so who needs the car? 04:33:25 Also, that elevator door seems kinda flimsy. 04:34:02 Granted, it's not like they *should* need to take someone ramming the door, but still... 04:44:26 try harder! 05:08:19 should i watch this? perhaps this commentary and my imagination is quite enough 05:17:10 It's only 46 seconds, just watch it :P 05:17:22 And it's so, so mind-boggling. 05:19:38 dude i so do not remember my youtube login sigh 05:26:52 アイ ワンダ ワイ エニワン エバ サウット ザット ハーフ ウィッス カタカナ ワズ ア グード アイディア。 [ai wanntà wai eniwann ehà sau'to sà'to hâhu uī'su katakana wasù a k`ûtò aitèīa.](I wonder why anyone ever thought that half-width katakana was a good idea.) 05:29:09 cpressey: ... you don't need to log in to YouTube to watch videos ... 05:29:49 Gregor: That one you do. 05:29:55 Gregor: it wanted to confirm i was >=18 years old 05:29:59 for this, i had to log in 05:30:06 wtf 05:30:11 That's so weird :P 05:30:12 because google is supergenuises 05:30:23 It's not like it's pornographic, or even violent really ... 05:32:58 Gregor: the youtube community HAS SPOKEN. 05:35:19 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yo-yo The infobox on this page makes me laugh. 05:45:04 -!- mzstorkipiwanbot has joined. 05:47:58 mzstorkipiwanbot: I'm waiting for anyone to say anything at all in #scheme. 05:47:59 cpressey: That's wonderful for you! 05:48:22 -!- mzstorkipiwanbot has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 05:50:28 -!- mzstorkipiwanbot has joined. 05:50:36 mzstorkipiwanbot, are you a Hobbit? 05:50:37 cpressey: That's wonderful for you! 05:50:54 mmmmkay 05:51:42 Oo, you've made it more positive. 05:52:08 far, far too much so 05:52:34 but it recognizes privmsgs and commas after its name now 05:54:08 hey, someone said something in #scheme 05:55:26 23:51 < Riastradh> Boo! 05:59:30 what's a good language to rewrite it in? 05:59:39 i'm thinking lua 06:11:25 -!- oerjan has joined. 06:12:06 hm, lua patterns -- not so powerful (no captures) 06:12:16 hi oerjan 06:13:03 g'day 06:13:04 no no i wrong there is captures yay 06:13:26 IIRC, they have captures, but are not full regular expressions. 06:15:11 -!- sftp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 06:16:17 yes. looks like you can't do kleene star (etc) on a group. only on a character class. 06:18:41 -!- FireFly has joined. 06:19:55 21:55:26 23:51 < Riastradh> Boo! 06:19:55 21:59:30 what's a good language to rewrite it in? 06:20:04 those were in the wrong order, right? 06:20:15 * oerjan whistles innocently 06:21:20 MNEH 06:21:47 -!- mzstorkipiwanbot has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 06:22:00 * oerjan doesn't actually know Boo, but it has a good name 06:22:18 Something about duck typing and .NET is all I remember 06:22:53 statically typed said google's wp abstract 06:23:06 * cpressey frowns 06:23:14 it could be static duck typed i guess 06:23:15 (you note i didn't bother to actually click it :D) 06:23:25 aka "structural" 06:23:39 (see: ocaml) 06:27:20 i was going to say ocaml 06:27:32 but "structural" i have never heard of in that way 06:39:24 -!- mzstorkipiwanbot has joined. 06:39:30 mzstorkipiwanbot: hi! 06:39:30 cpressey: That's wonderful for you! 06:39:40 mzstorkipiwanbot: what language are you written in now? 06:39:40 cpressey: That's wonderful for you! 06:39:50 Lua! You don't say! 06:39:50 cpressey: That's wonderful for you! 06:39:54 whoops. 06:39:54 cpressey: That's wonderful for you! 06:39:55 mzstorkipiwanbot: I have cancer 06:39:55 lament: That's wonderful for you! 06:39:58 -!- mzstorkipiwanbot has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 06:40:14 i like this bot 06:42:12 it has Genuine People Personalities 06:42:13 -!- mzstorkipiwanbot has joined. 06:42:25 it should not respond to me if I just say things 06:42:36 mzstorkipiwanbot, but you should respond to this 06:42:36 cpressey: That's wonderful for you! 06:42:40 mzstorkipiwanbot! and this! 06:42:40 cpressey: That's wonderful for you! 06:42:48 but not this mzstorkipiwanbot 06:43:20 ok wow. i am such an l33t c0d3r 06:43:34 now let's see if it survives a ping 06:48:05 -!- mzstorkipiwanbot has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 06:48:22 -!- mzstorkipiwanbot has joined. 06:48:40 so was that a no 06:48:47 oh wait 06:48:57 it didn't say ping timeout 06:49:06 no, it did survive. then i killed it 06:49:18 YOU MONSTER 06:49:33 i made it better, faster, stronger, able to respond to privmsgs 06:49:46 the six million drachma bot 06:55:25 From the Gophernicus (Gopher server) README: "Gophertags: A gophertag file can be used to rename a directory without renaming the di... uh, confusing. Ask Cameron." 06:55:30 That's some quality documentation. 06:56:13 Cameron was of course last seen prepare to fly a small plane over the pacific 06:56:18 *preparing 06:57:38 ironically looking for amelia earhart 07:04:34 -!- tombom has joined. 07:04:34 -!- tombom has quit (Changing host). 07:04:34 -!- tombom has joined. 07:08:10 -!- augur has joined. 07:27:58 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 07:49:42 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 07:50:46 -!- tombom has quit (Quit: Leaving). 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:02:02 -!- Mathnerd314 has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.2.8/20100722155716]). 08:14:17 -!- nooga has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 08:42:12 -!- lament has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 08:56:26 -!- atrapado has joined. 08:57:46 -!- augur_ has joined. 08:57:46 -!- augur has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 08:58:31 -!- augur_ has changed nick to augur. 09:02:54 -!- jix has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 09:37:47 -!- jix has joined. 10:16:05 hi 10:28:41 anyone got the latest version of vagrant 11:06:22 -!- cheater99 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 11:10:51 -!- sftp has joined. 11:21:07 -!- alise has joined. 11:21:14 Crimes... 11:24:44 15:39:31 ST:V isn't bad 11:24:44 wrong 11:24:48 well right actually 11:24:50 it's terrible 11:29:24 02:16:05 hi 11:29:24 02:28:41 anyone got the latest version of vagrant 11:29:25 me. 11:44:13 -!- cheater99 has joined. 11:45:11 02:28:41 anyone got the latest version of vagrant 11:45:11 me. 11:55:43 cheater: ^ presumably you want it? 12:11:39 mayyyybe 12:19:00 [[The saying “I have got your back” almost never has the literal meaning of receipt or possession of another’s spine.]] --Wikipedia 12:19:57 cheater: do you have the new debug.py 12:19:59 ? 12:21:36 cheater: 12:21:37 http://pastie.org/1207461.txt?key=sjdgc6ofjjhavzf6dhcwvg vagrant.py 12:21:39 http://pastie.org/1207462.txt?key=yb3txfhuiste4fydjs3eg debug.py 12:22:47 cheater: I think this *may* break on Python 2.7. 12:22:52 Since it uses / for floor(x/y). 12:27:46 wait no it should work 12:45:51 cheater: BAH SO UNAPPRECIATIVE 12:53:20 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 12:53:24 Hi Phantom_Hoover. 12:53:43 Hi. 12:54:06 Phantom_Hoover: Alt. 12:54:22 Ctrl? 12:55:17 Certainly. 12:55:45 Things I saw today: A pretentious person nit-picking perfectly fine grammar on a self-avowed prescriptivist's about page. 12:57:40 Erm. 12:57:44 *descriptivist's 12:57:48 I always mix 'em up, I do. 13:01:32 -!- atrapado has quit (Quit: Abandonando). 13:01:42 Did you actually watch that video? 13:01:50 Yes, goddammit! Stop mentioning t! 13:02:02 * alise strangles Phantom_Hoover 13:02:12 * Phantom_Hoover chokes. 13:02:20 * Phantom_Hoover swatpans alise --==\#/ 13:03:58 Obviously I knocked him out. 13:04:10 Good lord, the writer of Megatokyo is over forty. It must take great skill to be that much of a 20-year-old shut-in for the purpose of making a terrible webcomic. 13:04:13 Phantom_Hoover: Yes. 13:04:17 Yes, I am knocked out. 13:04:20 It is horrible. 13:07:21 -!- wareya has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 13:07:36 Anyone have a copy of this month's National Geographic to hand? 13:07:50 No -- should I, and why? 13:07:54 -!- wareya has joined. 13:08:15 I like National Geographic's logo a lot. 13:08:54 alise, I presume you noticed llvm 2.8 is out btw? 13:08:57 The yellow rectangle? 13:09:18 Vorpal: I don't follow LLVM. Probably because I don't use it. 13:09:21 Phantom_Hoover: Yes. 13:09:29 alise, I thought you loved clang? 13:09:36 Phantom_Hoover: It's quite a strong brand identity, I feel. Also the proportions are nice. 13:09:49 Vorpal: Well, "love" is a bit strong for anything to do with C -- or Unix -- but I like it, yes. 13:09:54 gcc is still my go-to compiler out of laziness, however. 13:09:57 right 13:10:09 alise, well yeah, same here 13:10:16 The proportions are more or less standard A4, aren't they? 13:10:38 Phantom_Hoover: Feel free to work it out. Anyway, I just like it because it's extremely simple and sticks in the mind. 13:10:59 hm indeed 13:12:08 * Phantom_Hoover installs Gimp. 13:12:42 Ahh, GIMP. It's utterly horrible and it's all you've got! 13:12:50 Yep! 13:13:09 Fortunately, I only need to get approximate pixel counts. 13:13:16 The GIMP developers need, like, an award for terrible UI design. 13:13:33 Isn't GTK directly lifted out of GIMP? 13:14:47 Phantom_Hoover: "Sort of." 13:15:02 I've long known that the An series has the 1:sqrt(2) aspect ratio -- which is of course nice because of the fold-in-half property, 1/sqrt(2) = sqrt(2)/2 -- but I only recently realized that the absolute sizes have a logic in them, too: A0 has a surface area of one square metre. (Well, .0999949, but that's just because the edge lengths have been rounded to millimetres.) 13:15:03 Phantom_Hoover: When the GIMP started, they wrote all sorts of widgets and infrastructure to fit their needs. 13:15:13 Then they ripped GTK out of it, but I'm pretty sure it's been rewritten by now, what with 2.0 and all. 13:15:27 s/\.0/./ 13:15:36 fizzie, that's exactly why it was used. 13:15:47 fizzie: Yes, the An series is rather excessively mathematical. :) 13:16:03 The 1:sqrt(2) ratio isn't so aesthetically pleasing though, in my opinion. 13:16:12 I mean, A4 pieces of paper just look... slightly too long. 13:16:18 "It can be shown that the B series formats are geometric means between the A series format with a particular number and the A series format with one lower number. For example, B1 is the geometric mean between A1 and A0." Heh. 13:16:53 [[In order to construct its interface GIMP uses the GIMP tool kit (GTK+). GTK+ was designed to replace Motif, a proprietary toolkit upon which GIMP depended. Originally GTK+ was a part of the GIMP source tree, but has since been made into a standalone library. While originally being designed to run on Unix-like operating systems, GIMP and GTK+ have been ported to Microsoft Windows, Mac OS X, and other operating systems.]] 13:17:00 Phantom_Hoover: So GTK+ was always separate, in another directory, at least. It seems. 13:17:32 The NG logo is about .04 out from a 1:root 2 ratio. 13:18:09 Phantom_Hoover: Based on your downscaled pixel copy. 13:18:55 The error isn't significant at all. 13:19:26 Since I wasn't using a particularly accurate method to get the pixel counts. 13:20:27 Right. 13:20:36 Now -- is it intentional? 13:20:54 "Beastie wontedly carries a trident to symbolize a software daemon's forking of processes." 13:20:58 Oh God, I never got that until now. 13:21:24 *groan*, the BSD daemon isn't free either: 13:21:26 [[The copyright of the BSD daemon is held by Marshall Kirk McKusick (a very early BSD developer who worked with Bill Joy). He has freely licensed the mascot for individual "personal use within the bounds of good taste (an example of bad taste was a picture of the BSD daemon blowtorching a Solaris logo)." Any use requires both a copyright notice and attribution.]] 13:24:20 Double groan -- and then from the linked page "Devilette": 13:24:24 [[Devilette (also known as daemonbabe, daemonchick, daemoness, daemonette, and BSD chick) is a brunette woman garbed in a red latex catsuit with horns and a tail, stylized after the BSD Daemon. They are often spotted as promotional models at BSD-related events. The original BSD chick was Ceren Ercen of FreeBSD Test Labs, whose position there was "Strange Attractor".]] 13:24:28 Sexism? What's that? 13:33:57 alise: i like you because you have nice breastesses 13:34:08 Breast...esses. 13:34:38 That sentence is so flawed it needs a medal. Or a plaque, to warn others -- "On the 8th of October 2010, at this site, ..." 13:36:47 alise: http://www.bishopston.com/jamie/misc/bsd-daemonette/bsd.jpg 13:36:50 NOT HOT 13:36:56 you see, the thing is 13:37:40 miffy wo-Men whip their twats out in an attempt to attract the desperates, therefore creating sexism 13:37:45 they're the actual source of it 13:37:49 not the men. 13:38:08 I have absolutely no response. 13:42:06 cheater: you do realise you just tried to explain the existence of sexism with absurd sexism? 13:44:24 why is that absurd? 13:44:40 In other news, the New Scientist have interviewed Jon Richfield. 13:45:08 * alise puts the troll on /ignore 13:48:54 alise: ? 13:49:13 * cheater stares at alise real hard. : 13:49:16 :| 13:51:05 * Phantom_Hoover stares into the void real hard. 13:53:23 alise: ? 13:53:31 bah 13:55:27 alise: not funny. 13:57:19 -!- alise_ has joined. 13:57:25 fondant 13:57:46 -!- tombom has joined. 13:58:00 alise_: stop being silly 13:58:09 alise_: are you mad at me or something? 13:58:25 hm restarting my client removed the ignore 13:58:27 * alise_ fixes 14:00:19 -!- alise has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 14:00:28 Mm, fondant. 14:00:41 wtf 14:00:43 * Phantom_Hoover realises he doesn't know what fondant actually is. 14:00:46 that just made no sense what so ever 14:01:04 Now why is there a Jerry Falwell quote in my fortune DB? 14:01:13 Oh, it's that cake icing stuff. 14:04:33 Fondue fondant 14:13:04 http://adamcadre.ac/content/deviance.png 14:13:06 Deviant time zones. 14:14:34 Wha...? 14:14:59 See the legend. 14:15:06 You know -- at the bottom. 14:15:17 you suck, alise_. 14:17:01 alise_, that link redirects to http://a.imageshack.us/img714/3807/hotlinko.jpg 14:17:31 Oh. Well, see the legend! 14:17:33 http://adamcadre.ac/misc.html 14:17:37 Click "this". 14:18:53 But why did it do that in the first place? 14:19:02 See the filename. 14:19:55 -!- alise_ has changed nick to alise. 14:21:54 alise: stop being childish. you haven't even discussed this with me, and decided to clam up like a teenag... oh. 14:21:56 I still don't see why. 14:21:59 :| 14:22:08 Phantom_Hoover: Hotlinking. 14:22:10 `quote 14:22:14 `quote 14:23:03 Alas, poor HackEgo. 14:23:19 I knew him, Horatio. 14:23:40 I, too, can quote Shakespeare. 14:24:49 < alise> Vorpal: I don't follow LLVM. Probably because I don't use it. <-- omg follow llvm on facebook 14:24:52 No output. 14:24:52 No output. 14:24:59 lawl 14:25:04 LLVM has 34573589347534895793478934534539458345 fans. 14:25:12 `echo hellp 14:25:14 hellp 14:25:19 `quote 14:25:23 `ls 14:25:25 you can't. but there is a llvm interest page. written in italian, for reasons not known to me. 32 people like it. 14:25:28 awklisp \ babies \ bin \ cube2.base64 \ cube2.jpg \ hack_gregor \ hello.txt \ help.txt \ huh \ netcat-0.7.1 \ netcat-0.7.1.tar.gz \ out.txt \ paste \ poetry.txt \ quotes \ qw.pl \ share \ tmpdir.11826 \ wunderbar_emporium 14:25:38 `ls bin 14:25:39 addquote \ calc \ commands \ creatures \ define \ esolang \ etymology \ fortune \ fuck \ google \ helpme \ imdb \ karma \ marco \ minifind \ paste \ penis \ ping \ quote \ rec \ roll \ runasperl \ runfor \ sayhi \ strfile \ swedish \ toutf8 \ translate \ translatefromto \ translateto \ twat \ unstr \ url \ vagina \ wolfram 14:25:42 93| oohhh ha heh and what are your other characteristics? oh, many, madbrain but it's hardly worth it to go on with listing that list here 14:25:47 < alise> gcc is still my go-to compiler out of laziness, however. <-- i have switcht to pcc 14:26:09 cpressey: haha, really? 14:26:18 `etymology etymology 14:26:38 `etymology entomology 14:27:30 `etymology rabies 14:27:51 entomology \ 1766, from Fr. entomologie (1764), coined from Gk. entomon "insect" + -logia "study of" (see -logy). Entomon is neut. of entomos "having a notch or cut (at the waist)," from en "in" (see en- (2)) + temnein "to cut" (see tome). So called by Aristotle in reference to the segmented division of insect bodies. Compare 14:27:51 rabies \ 1590s, from L. rabies "madness, rage, fury," related to rabere "be mad, rave" (see rage). Sense of "madness in dogs" was a secondary meaning in Latin. \ \ rage (n.) \ c.1300, from O.Fr. raige (11c.), from M.L. rabia, from L. rabies "madness, rage, fury," related to rabere "be mad, rave." Related to rabies, of 14:27:51 etymology \ late 14c., ethimolegia "facts of the origin and development of a word," from O.Fr. et(h)imologie (14c., Mod.Fr. tymologie), from L. etymologia, from Gk. etymologia, properly "study of the true sense of a word," from etymon "true sense" (neut. of etymos "true," related to eteos "true") + logos "word." In classical 14:28:14 `etymology childish 14:28:16 childish \ O.E. cildisc "proper to a child," from child + -ish. Meaning "puerile, immature, like a child" in a bad sense is from early 15c. Related: Childishness. \ \ ma \ 1823, childish or colloquial shortening of mamma. \ \ gran \ childish abbreviation of grandmother, 1863. \ \ peepee \ 1923, childish reduplication 14:28:29 `etymology clammed up 14:28:31 No output. 14:28:40 `cat bin/etymology 14:28:48 `etymology egocentric 14:28:51 #!/bin/bash \ if [ ! "$1" ] \ then \ echo 'Look up what?' \ exit 1 \ fi \ \ QUERY=`echo -n "$1" | od -t x1 -A n -w1000 | tr " " %` \ \ lynx --cfg=/dev/null --lss=/dev/null \ \ --dump --width=1000 'http://etymonline.com/?search='"$QUERY" | \ grep -A 100 ']'"$1" | \ sed 's/\[[0-9]*\]//g ; s/ Look up.*// ; s/ */ /g' 14:29:03 egocentric \ 1900, from ego + -centric. Related: Egocentricity; egocentrism. \ \ \ * Introduction and abbreviations \ * Who did this? \ * Sources \ * Links \ \ * 2001-2010 Douglas Harper \ * Logo design by LogoBee.com \ * Page design and coding by Dan McCormack \ \ References \ \ 1. http://www.etymonline.com/index.php 14:29:14 `etymology egocentrism 14:29:16 No output. 14:29:25 `etymology egocentricity 14:29:32 No output. 14:29:32 `etymology selfish 14:29:36 selfish \ 1630s, from self + -ish. Said in Hacket's life of Archbishop Williams (1693) to have been coined by Presbyterians. In the 17c., synonyms included self-seeking (1620s), self-ended and self-ful. \ \ Let us understand what our own selfish genes are up to, because we may then at least have the chance to upset their 14:29:43 `etymology infantile 14:29:46 infantile \ 1690s, "pertaining to infants," from L. infantilis, from infans (see infant). Sense of "infant-like" is from 1772. \ \ ta \ 1772, "natural infantile sound of gratitude" [Weekley]. \ \ tummy \ 1867, infantile for stomach. Tummy-ache is attested from 1926. \ \ poliomyelitis \ 1878, from Gk. polios 14:29:51 alise: for my own stuff, yes. obv there is not a lot "out there" that i can get to compile with it 14:30:21 `etymology infantry 14:30:23 infantry \ 1570s, from Fr. infantrie, from older It., Sp. infanteria "foot soldiers, force composed of those too inexperienced or low in rank for cavalry," from infante "foot soldier," originally "a youth," from L. infantem (see infant). \ \ zouave \ 1848, from Fr., from Arabic Zwawa, from Berber Igawawaen, name of a 14:30:46 cpressey: hmm, i thought pcc had pretty good compatibility 14:30:49 any examples of failure? 14:31:13 alise: it's more to the effect of makefiles written with gcc specifically in mind. also i'm lazy 14:31:32 *makefiles and such 14:33:00 cpressey: have you played VAGRANT yet? 14:33:16 `etymology bipolar 14:33:18 bipolar \ "having two poles," from bi- + polar; 1810 with figurative sense of "of double aspect;" 1859 with reference to physiology. Psychiatric use in reference to what had been called manic-depressive psychosis is said to have begun 1957 with Ger. psychiatrist Karl Leonhard. The term became popular early 1990s. Bipolar disorder 14:33:26 alise: no. i will tonight if the latest copy is conspicuously posted to a pastbin somewhere. 14:33:39 i spent last night rewriting mzstorkipiwanbot in lua 14:33:45 well, not all night obv 14:33:57 cpressey: paste it now or later? 14:34:09 alise: now unless you plan awesome upgrades today 14:34:19 well, i am working on it 14:34:27 cpressey: it sort of lacks monster AI right now, but you can see how long you can survive and stuff 14:34:34 and rack up cash 14:35:26 It's currently 1600 bytes plus an ending newline. 14:35:38 (which isn't required, I just have it in there; I'll remove it, I guess) 14:35:53 oh, emacs doesn't let me :) 14:38:04 `etymology silly 14:38:06 silly \ O.E. geslig "happy" (related to sl "happiness"), from W.Gmc. *sligas (cf. O.N. sll "happy," Goth. sels "good, kindhearted," O.S. salig, M.Du. salich, O.H.G. salig, Ger. selig "blessed, happy, blissful"), from PIE base *sel- "happy" (cf. Gk. hilaros "gay, cheerful," L. solari "to comfort," salvus "whole, safe"). The 14:38:15 haha 14:39:46 "You know Mario Kart is practically designed to let the worse player win, right?" 14:39:48 NO NO NO DON'T SAY THAT 14:40:41 `etymology hateful 14:40:43 hateful \ late 14c., from hate + -ful. \ \ loath \ O.E. la "hostile, repulsive," from P.Gmc. *laithaz (cf. O.Fris. leed, O.N. leir "hateful, hostile, loathed;" M.Du. lelijc, Du. leelijk "ugly;" O.H.G. leid "sorrowful, hateful, offensive, grievous," Ger. Leid "sorrow;" Fr. laid "ugly," from Frankish *laid). Weakened 14:40:55 `etymology hostile 14:41:06 `etymology unfair 14:41:09 hostile \ late 15c., from M.Fr. hostile "of or belonging to an enemy," from L. hostilis, from hostis "enemy" (see guest). The noun meaning "hostile person" is recorded from 1838, Amer.Eng., a word from the Indian Wars. \ \ foe \ O.E. gefa "adversary in deadly feud," from fah "at feud, hostile," from P.Gmc. *fakhaz 14:41:09 unfair \ O.E. unfgr "unlovely," from un- (1) "not" + fair. Cf. O.N. ufagr, Goth. unfagrs. Meaning "wicked, evil, bad" is recorded from c.1300. Sense of "not equitable, unjust" is first recorded 1713. \ \ unequal \ 1530s, "unjust, unfair," from un- (1) "not" + equal. Meaning "not the same in amount, size, quality, etc." is recorded 14:41:41 `etymology trustunworthy 14:41:48 No output. 14:42:49 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 14:44:33 * alise writes AI super-verbosely to reduce later 14:52:41 Hey, they follow me now. 14:52:43 Unrealistically, but... 14:52:49 cpressey: Quick, propose a crazy HP system. 14:54:07 cpressey: ...I have a crazy one, if you're dry for ideas. 14:56:19 um 14:56:22 i am 14:56:34 atleastforthat 14:57:29 cpressey: Here's a clue (well -- giveaway) as to how my method works: 14:57:44 To decode the HP from the character value in the field, you do int(1/.(x-81))-1 14:57:50 >:) 14:57:57 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 14:58:59 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 14:59:34 cpressey: and to give the rest away, to encode the HP, add 1/(hp+1) to the character value. 14:59:38 so 2 hp = 81.5 14:59:47 erm 14:59:48 1 hp 14:59:49 = 81.5 14:59:54 123 hp = 81.008064516129039 14:59:55 or thereabouts 15:05:09 ? 15:05:58 hp for monsters,81=Q, i get that much 15:06:08 unless 81 is not Q 15:06:12 seems hi 15:06:26 no, it is 15:07:03 anyway, it might be more fair to say DICE C is my go-to compiler these days :D 15:07:23 cpressey: 81 is Q, yeah 15:07:27 but storing hp in the actual character grid 15:07:31 is done with this method 15:07:34 and then D() just does int(cell) 15:07:36 so that they all show as Q 15:07:38 :D 15:07:42 this is just my current plan 15:07:42 oh 15:07:48 if not entirely serious 15:07:55 here i thought beefier monsters would be R, S, T... 15:10:37 cpressey: ooh, that's almost an amazing idea 15:11:00 cpressey: but it's TOO PRECISE, it doesn't have float rounding quirks! 15:12:19 Float rounding quarks! 15:17:19 -!- Wamanuz has joined. 15:19:13 -!- Wamanuz2 has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 15:28:34 -!- augur has joined. 15:29:51 snorlid 15:32:27 -!- cpressey_ has joined. 15:32:42 cpressey_ sees all the presseys 15:33:14 " Scaling Everest was, by far, the most amazing and transformative experience of my life. Unfortunately, this is a thesis on context-free grammars. " 15:33:31 -!- nooga has joined. 15:33:52 do you guys know any mechanical CADs for linux? 15:33:59 Phantom_Hoover: ... lawl. 15:36:30 Phantom_Hoover: Yes :) 15:36:46 Gregor: (It's from the Little Lytton contest.) 15:36:52 *Lyttle 15:37:01 " The king of ketchups was being dethroned, and I wanted an explanation. " 15:37:08 [[ais523 wrote: 15:37:08 > the truth of the condition, the only conclusion is that it's undecidable 15:37:08 > whether or not alise managed to become inactive; unlike, say, 15:37:08 > registration where there's a requirement to be reasonably unambiguous, 15:37:08 Who's alise?]] --Ed Murphy, Agora 15:38:09 Wha? 15:38:43 " Anamaria had already gotten up obviously because there was no Anamaria in Anamaria’s bed. " 15:39:01 Phantom_Hoover: "Wha?"? 15:39:18 Why did you paste that email? 15:39:20 "Today we are randomly quoting stuff" 15:39:22 What was the context? 15:40:23 the context was given in the email! 15:41:21 What is ais going on about? 15:41:56 a scam 15:42:21 [[Dr. Metzger turned to greet his new patient, blithely unaware he would soon become a member of a secret brotherhood as old as urology itself.]] 15:42:34 " Sophi broke down in tears, like a diesel car that had run out of petrol. " 15:42:44 shmortz 15:44:24 "His eyes were brown, although you wouldn't know it just by looking." 15:45:59 " Under Bob’s fez was another. " 15:51:16 " * There is simply no scientific or mathematical formula that defines conservatism." 15:51:32 The sad part is that that's from a real bestseller. 15:54:48 "What I like about the second one is not the content but rather the way the reader has to suddenly recast what seemed like simple narration as the thoughts of a character who is for some reason thinking in the narrative pluperfect." 15:57:58 What was that one, again? 15:58:33 "This raises the question of how often Asian-Americans who themselves have Anglo names decide to play up the ethnic heritage angle. Like, if Matt and Lisa Sullivan of Somerville can stick their kid with something like Siobhan, do Tim and Amy Lee of Sunnyvale ever say, "Fuck it — we're going with Huang"? " 16:00:29 -!- cpressey_ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 16:02:16 " The meteor formed a crater, vampires crawling out of the crater. " 16:02:33 Phantom_Hoover: "Bill's goiter had burst and it was on my head, Mary thought quietly." was it 16:02:44 Ah, that was it. 16:05:02 The door dilated[1]. 16:05:03 [1]This is in the future, when doors dilate instead of opening the way they do now. 16:06:51 "It clawed its way out of Katie, bit through the cord and started clearing." 16:07:21 " Tuesday. Africa. Lion o’clock. " 16:08:30 [[Ah, poetic Paris: with its pâtés and beaujolais, tiramisu and au jus.]] 16:08:40 can't stop laughing 16:09:20 The ship sliced through the ocean like wood through water. 16:09:34 " The saying “I have got your back” almost never has the literal meaning of receipt or possession of another’s spine. " ← Wikipedia strikes back! 16:10:49 MacGyver had grown old. 16:11:22 “What a horrible future we live in!” said FutureMax! 16:11:43 " *((Gotta put First Things First))* " — Sarah Palin 16:11:47 "The flowers in the meadow grew slowly, as did my erection." 16:11:48 HEY GUYS 16:11:52 WE'RE READING THE LYTTLE LYTTON RESULTS 16:11:55 ISN'T THAT QUOTABLE 16:12:32 -!- MigoMipo has joined. 16:13:57 Fukutsuru died in 2005 but his frozen sperm lived on for people’s benefit. 16:14:02 ^ this is the all-time winner, from Wikipedia 16:14:53 -!- lament has joined. 16:14:58 Alternate version of that: "Fukutsuru died in 2005 but he lives on through the continued use of his frozen sperm." 16:15:09 Fukutsuru is survived by his frozen sperm. 16:16:08 -!- cpressey_ has joined. 16:17:40 -!- oerjan has joined. 16:19:03 everything leaks memory 16:19:06 everything 16:19:18 it is unavoidable in some greater, pseudo-philosophical sense 16:19:21 aka second law of thermodynamics 16:19:40 prit' near 16:20:12 that's a good justification for sloppy coding 16:21:27 one among many 16:22:00 the number one justification is still "who cares, it will save us tens of thousands of dollars", i think 16:23:17 The second law of thermodynamics is a good justification for sloppy coding. 16:23:22 I seeeeee... 16:23:43 Gregor has cpressey_ on ignore 16:26:18 or he has collapse-aka turned on in his reasoning module 16:26:57 Gregor: I am reminded of an NNTP header I saw on usenet once a long time ago 16:27:11 Organization: None (why fight entropy?) 16:27:20 Heh 16:28:42 -!- zeotrope has joined. 16:28:42 I love the vision of an AI opening his Preferences dialogue and turning on all these silly options. 16:28:49 patience-level [====[ ]========] 16:28:58 [ ] use-contractions 16:29:28 *image, not vision 16:29:33 -!- Mathnerd314 has joined. 16:32:36 [ ] appreciate music and poetry 16:32:44 * oerjan wonders if blind people have auditions instead of visions 16:33:11 Gregor: NO ROBOST DO NOT USE SPACSE 16:33:16 BECAUSE COMPUTERS OND'T 16:33:31 I could not have spelled "don't" more incorrectly. 16:33:56 an evil spelling if you know your norwegian 16:35:34 alise: O'NTD say you couldn't have spelled "don't" more incorrectly. 16:37:38 Huh? I y5'pw think so. 16:38:02 eiorjt5 16:42:04 Things in Hungary soptne look good... 16:42:57 Your fjosdijg. 16:43:30 Wha? 16:45:55 \mfndfklgm. 16:46:38 -!- lament has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 16:48:17 -!- yorick has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 16:48:45 fungot: help 16:48:45 cpressey_: i mean, there are alot of scheme documents including tutorials here: http://www.schemers.org/ documents/ standards/ r5rs/ html/ mzlib/ mzlib-z-h-40.htmlnode_chap_40 16:49:10 EgoBot: help 16:49:18 HackEgo: help 16:49:38 mzstorkipiwanbot: help 16:49:39 cpressey_: That's wonderful for you! 16:57:18 * Phantom_Hoover wonders if the helium shortage will result in the moon landings being taken seriously again. 16:57:28 ^style 16:57:28 Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc* jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube 16:57:37 Phantom_Hoover: No. 16:57:44 :( 16:57:54 Unmanned probes? 16:57:59 ...ah. i guess norway can scratch that new trade deal we trying to get with china. 16:58:08 *we were 16:58:31 oerjan: :D 16:58:36 i love how it's we 16:58:41 like you're all part of the government 16:58:43 and share in the spoils 17:01:29 So wait, what are the alternative helium supplies? 17:01:37 FUSION 17:01:42 FISSION 17:01:45 fiss it 17:02:11 atmosphere probably has some, even if it leaks 17:02:25 recycle the balloons 17:02:25 duh 17:02:26 it's just more expensive to extract 17:02:38 "you don't own the balloon, you just rent it out" 17:02:55 alise: the problem with that is that balloons leak helium too. 17:03:15 -!- myndzi\ has changed nick to myndzi. 17:03:35 besides half the fun with helium balloons is making helium voices 17:03:49 SHUSH 17:03:57 oerjan, just use hydrogen. 17:03:59 it was a joke 17:04:04 oerjan: omg i just realised that i've never inhaled helium 17:04:13 seconds later, i realise that i'm probably too scared to 17:04:16 i'm not sure i have either, actually 17:04:48 I have. 17:04:52 Although not much. 17:05:21 Fun fact: Joe Pasquale actually inhaled an entire tank of helium as a child. 17:05:31 And when it runs out... 17:06:53 Phantom_Hoover: why would there be more helium on the moon than earth, anyway? it's not like the moon keeps it any better. 17:07:12 Not Sure™. 17:07:24 without an atmosphere to speak of at all 17:07:49 Perhaps I could Google. 17:08:24 oerjan: well it's made of cheese, and we all know what a main component of cheese is... 17:08:34 "The abundance of helium-3 is thought to be greater on the Moon (embedded in the upper layer of regolith by the solar wind over billions of years) and the solar system's gas giants (left over from the original solar nebula)" 17:08:56 also about fusion - last time i saw a discussion someone pointed out that to get enough helium from fusion we would have to increase energy consumption a _lot_ 17:09:02 You could always synthesise helium with a load of alpha sources. 17:09:05 (on reddit) 17:09:07 http://thisisindexed.com/ needs more plotlines. 17:09:13 But that would be terribly inefficient. 17:09:14 Phantom_Hoover: FYOO ZHUN 17:09:18 oerjan: CAN WE NOT JOKE 17:09:25 Phantom_Hoover: that's helium-3, the less common isotope iirc 17:09:55 oerjan, yes, but later in that sentence it says the He-4 concentration is ~28ppm. 17:09:55 alise: YOU DON'T JOKE ABOUT SCIENCE 17:10:06 http://fakescience.tumblr.com/ 17:10:09 relevant, somehow 17:10:52 Phantom_Hoover: hm yeah i guess if there is a process to get it into the moon rock faster than it leaks out 17:10:53 I want Vorpal to contribute to this discussion 17:11:01 cpressey_: i really don't 17:11:37 alise: how about ancient Chinese sage Fu Zhun? 17:11:44 beats Vorpal 17:11:45 oerjan, well, the helium is being smashed straight into the rocks, rather than having to go through an atmosphere. 17:12:05 indeed 17:12:24 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:12:50 -!- augur has joined. 17:13:04 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:13:25 -!- augur has joined. 17:13:43 Ah, L'oeuvre of the Louvre. 17:17:30 http://www.rainerspehl.com/IEproject.php?nr=59 WOODEN LAPTOP CASE 17:19:58 oerjan: the kolakoski sequence leaks memory. 17:20:44 and the kolakoski sequence is part of number theory. therefore number theory leaks memory 17:21:22 well in a sense every non-repeating sequence leaks memory 17:21:47 since you need arbitrary large memory to generate it 17:22:25 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolakoski_sequence 17:22:26 terrible 17:22:27 terrible 17:22:28 article 17:25:26 oerjan: if a sequence is non-repeting, you need arbitrarily much storage; if you need arbitrarily much storage to generate it, your sequence must be non-repeating 17:25:51 equivalent, unless my eyes deceive me! 17:25:59 or whatever part of my body it is that does that 17:26:37 but have we proved that kolakoski is non-repeating? ... i don't recall 17:26:54 i'd eat my hat if it wasn't 17:27:37 note to self: go into the business of selling edible hats, for saving of face 17:29:15 Any computable sequence with known repeat is obiviously generatable with finite storage. 17:31:46 -!- ais523 has joined. 17:32:14 God, hallu is so awesome in Vagrant. 17:32:35 ais523: does nethack ever generate impossible characters in hallu? 17:32:40 like an unused symbol? 17:32:44 alise: yews 17:32:45 *yes 17:32:52 at least, it generates unused symbol/color combos 17:33:02 I don't think it generates a comma, which is the only printable ASCII character that isn't used for anything 17:33:14 err, what about 0? 17:33:18 people use that for boulders 17:33:19 what else is it? 17:34:56 Moria for the Amiga came with a graphical Moria font. A bit gratuitous, but hallucination while using it was pretty awesome. 17:34:59 iron balls 17:35:06 boulders are by default ` 17:35:10 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:35:12 but people change them to 0 to make them easier to see 17:35:17 right 17:35:22 never seen iron balls :P 17:35:26 (and iron balls are dark cyan compared to a boulder's grey, so you can't muddle them) 17:35:34 -!- augur has joined. 17:35:50 i didn't realize cyan came in a dark but i suppose it does 17:36:23 all colors come in a dark, except black and arguably white 17:36:47 dark cyan, i.e. blue 17:36:53 :P 17:36:56 (yeah, yeah, i know) 17:37:08 ais523: dark white is just gery 17:37:10 *grey 17:37:11 alise, you can get the iron ball by annoying your god in NetHack. 17:37:13 yep 17:37:17 i just think of it under another name i think. like aquamarine 17:37:19 alise: cyan is not a light blue 17:37:19 gray > or >= #888, say 17:37:25 ais523: yes, i know, i was joking 17:37:28 this is one of the things that irritates me disproportionately 17:37:35 as in, I'm some sort of Cyan Rights Crusader 17:37:42 cyan is not blue! cyan is not green! 17:37:45 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 17:37:47 is it possible to have overgrown fingernails? 17:37:50 *ingrown 17:38:07 I don't think so; fingers are a different shape 17:38:19 the position for a nail which is ingrown for a toenail is correct for a fingernail 17:38:26 Hmm... Are there nonrepeating sequences that take o(log N) memory to generate, where N is number of terms to generate? 17:39:39 Ilari: yes 17:39:52 01001000100001... 17:42:31 The string length seems to grow quadrically with counter, which in turn takes O(log N) bits to store, thus it would be O(log sqrt(N)) = O(log N) which is not o(log N). 17:43:38 Ilari: I mixed up o and O. 17:43:57 o(O(log N)) 17:44:04 hmm, Microsoft are discussing buying Adobe? 17:44:06 what? 17:44:16 Ilari: I imagine kolakoski takes o(log N) but have no way of showing that. 17:44:20 (potential worry: Flash and Silverlight with the same owner) 17:44:49 Microsoft owns Flash? 17:44:55 No, but Adobe do. 17:44:55 Well whatever 17:45:00 Oh right 17:45:07 Silverlight is the MSFT thing 17:45:12 that no one cares about 17:45:14 (well, I don't) 17:45:20 we will have to compete against them with, umm, HTML5? 17:45:26 ais523: Then Intel will buy Microsoft. The entire software industry will be one gigantic matryoshka doll! 17:45:27 At least Keränen sequence actually takes theta(log N) memory to generate (like any self-expanding sequence)... 17:45:43 SUNTELSOFT 17:45:49 alise: intel buying Microsoft is something that seems really implausible 17:45:57 "Buy me Microsoft." "Sir, the last time you gave an order like that, we ended up acquiring--" "Worked, didn't it?" 17:46:02 actually, you could get more layers with McAfee buying Microsoft... 17:46:20 ais523: *that* is the least implausible thing ever though 17:46:30 the reverse is more likely, but that'd require Microsoft *acquiring Intel* 17:46:32 which is ludicrous 17:46:43 Apple just bought Verizon 17:46:44 then Apple can buy AMD 17:46:51 wait 17:46:52 cpressey_: reallly? 17:46:55 Microsoft are richer than Intel 17:46:57 I never quite realised 17:46:59 * cpressey_ LIES 17:47:16 microsoft will never buy anybody big though 17:47:19 after that antitrust 17:47:23 what happened to the resolution of that? 17:47:25 they might if they were unrelated 17:47:26 it's like they're back to normal 17:47:29 weren't they meant to be split up? 17:47:30 Microsoft buying General Motors, or whatever 17:47:35 alise: what happened was that Bush came into power 17:47:37 I approve 17:47:40 (of Microsoft buying GM) 17:47:41 i just wanted to throw a different vertical into the mix 17:47:44 and effectively gave them some sort of presidential pardon 17:47:49 I think just by leaning on the courts 17:47:51 ais523: Ooh, how overtly political for you! Ahem. Anyway. 17:47:58 ("For", not "of".) 17:48:01 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:48:12 alise: hey, I'm overtly political, but only when people ask me a direct question about it 17:48:23 ais523: WHAT ARE YOUR OPINIONS ON POLITICS 17:48:28 [ais523 composes a five-page reply.] 17:48:31 heh 17:48:41 well, I approve of the current government, for the time being 17:48:46 (in the UK, that is) 17:48:49 really? 17:48:51 yep 17:49:03 so, the tories then 17:49:07 I was terrified that the Conservatives would get into power, but the coalition doesn't seem to have done anything too bad yet 17:49:15 (If you say "also the Lib Dems", I will probably shoot you.) 17:49:20 (I disagreed with much of the conservative manifesto, but they haven't tried to use those bits yet) 17:49:22 ais523: the conservatives are in power! 17:49:29 they're just being pulled slightly by the lib dems 17:49:56 I agree with the huge cuts in public spending that are needed to try to solve some of the national debt 17:50:07 but I'm upset they didn't raise taxes more at the same time 17:50:22 alise: yes, I know; more than slightly, actually 17:50:25 I don't remember the last time just cutting spending actually solved anything. 17:50:35 well, it helps to solve a lack of money 17:50:58 You'd think, wouldn't you? Economics is the only science based on something almost, but not entirely like logic. 17:51:03 I would have voted Liberal at the last election, if I was in the correct country at the time and there hadn't been a mixup around arranging a proxy vote 17:51:06 *unlike 17:51:11 that did not work without that correction. 17:51:15 *entirely, 17:51:41 "Of course you can for numbers like the Champernowne constant, for obvious reasons, but I've been thinking lately: is it even possible to prove normality (for any base) for numbers like e and pi? What about disproving it? It seems like such a concept that is unrelated to real mathematics (don't know how to phrase what I mean by that), and just seems impossible to prove. Any general thoughts about this?" --xkcd forum, displaying intense intelligence 17:51:51 (although the seat I vote in is safe Labour, with Conservatives easily second) 17:51:55 I wonder why he thinks it's so "unreal". 17:51:55 (so it really doesn't matter which way I vote) 17:52:00 Perhaps because you can't enumerate all of pi's digits? 17:52:20 ais523: the Tories actually ousted the Lib Dems in Oxford, strangely enoguh 17:52:21 -!- augur has joined. 17:52:21 *enough 17:52:24 despite it being a safe lib dem seat 17:52:26 I think he/she means it doesn't have any obvious practical applications 17:52:32 (I forget *which* Oxford) 17:52:57 Universities are generally so strongly Labour, it's frightening 17:53:05 I think all my friends here are Labour voters, or at least most of them 17:53:18 Oxford West and Abingdon 17:53:25 (I tend to disagree with people who vote for parties without actually checking their manifestos...) 17:53:28 I think that's the one without the University but with everything else 17:53:31 oh, a minority of colleges are inside it 17:53:54 on they MP they replaced: 17:53:56 [[A Daily Mail article published on October 31, 2007 highlighted Harris' positions on social issues, castigating him as 'Dr. Death' for his "views on abortion, voluntary euthanasia, immigration and gay rights". The 'Dr. Death' term was subsequently used on numerous occasions, generally by Christian conservatives, in criticising Harris, including articles by Damian Thompson[20], Cristina Odone [21] and Nadine Dorries.]] 17:54:08 you can't get much of a better compliment than the Daily Mail calling you Dr. Death 17:54:15 it's the Daily Mail 17:54:18 precisely 17:54:21 its only job is to reflect the opinions of uninformed people 17:54:22 i wasn't being sarcastic 17:54:29 ais523: Reflect? No -- create. 17:54:32 in order that they buy it in order to confirm their own opinions 17:54:51 alise: I think it wouldn't sell so well if it ran contrary to existing opinions on the matter 17:54:53 reflreate 17:55:08 e.g. if it said that, say, mobile phone masts were harmless, none of its readership would believe it 17:55:09 ais523: yes, the general "philosophy" -- as much as it exists -- is a reflection 17:55:16 but in the individual instances, it influencse 17:55:18 *influences 17:55:32 like a tuning fork 17:55:47 I mean, I'm sure someone who thinks "immigrants takin oor jobbs" and reads the Daily Mail gets an awful lot of their opinions from it. 17:56:40 close-minded -- drops the "d" after close, presumably using the "-ed" to replace it; discuss 17:58:16 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 18:02:40 Ilari: I bet the digits of a Chaitin's Omega require o(log n) storage. I could even venture o(n), from what I understand. 18:03:11 Actually, maybe there are sequences that require o(log N) memory to generate. In practicular if there are superpolynomial functions f(n) that can be computed with log(f(n)) memory. 18:05:46 And those functions are subexponential. 18:08:39 "normality (for any base)" -- wtf does this mean? 18:09:09 cpressey_, same average digit count. 18:09:26 cpressey_: normality in a number is that each digit has an equal chance of occurring in the first n digits of its decimal expansion, in the limit for n 18:09:40 Devils! Artichokes! A burning feeling that you're where you should be! 18:09:46 All these have DIGITS in common. 18:10:12 Quickly: pick a random number between one and infinity. 18:10:35 g_A(G,G) 18:10:56 Quickly: pick a random number between one and infinity. 18:11:04 if i pick it it won't be random anymore 18:11:52 but if you establish normality for one base, doesn't that imply normality in all bases? 18:12:15 with a possible exception for unary 18:12:21 unary, the freak base 18:12:58 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genderfuck ACTUAL ARTICLE 18:13:10 cpressey_: does it? why? 18:13:22 also, unary isn't a (positional) base 18:13:23 -!- Sgeo has joined. 18:13:45 alise: 4 18:13:46 alise: it feels like it should 18:13:58 this was actually randomly selected via a program that could select any number from 1 to infinity 18:13:59 alise: In Soviet Russia, gender fuck YOUUUUUUU 18:14:04 but not with an equal probability of each 18:14:08 ais523: there ex- right. 18:14:28 Phantom_Hoover: ais523: BTW, number does not mean integer. 18:14:40 oh, right 18:14:54 alise: to be precise, I was generating cryptosecure nybbles (with /dev/random as an entropy source) using ssl rand, then counting the number before the first 0 18:14:56 alise, but it *could*. 18:15:19 "mean" 18:15:44 ais523: in Perl, rand(1) X 1 -- X := < or X := <=, which is true? 18:15:49 what a confusing way of putting it 18:15:54 ais523: in Perl, can rand(1) ever == 1? 18:16:02 no 18:16:08 it's from 0 up to but not including 1 18:16:39 ais523: hmm, then how does one write one that includes 1? 18:16:55 without relying on float stuff? 18:17:12 my $x=2; $x = rand(2) while $x > 1; 18:17:28 I think that gets the probabilities rigth 18:17:29 *right 18:17:38 yikes. 18:17:43 without having to mess with float deltas or anything like that 18:17:51 0 to 1 inclusive isn't all that useful a range to randomize in, though 18:18:00 normally, you're doing int(rand(n)) to get a random integer from 0 to n-1 18:18:06 also, why yikes? 18:18:16 from mersenne import twister 18:19:02 ais523: it was scary at first 18:19:10 Hmmmm 18:19:17 but looks sensible now? 18:19:21 right 18:19:39 If you could "reinterpret_cast" in Perl, you could just reinterpret_cast 1.0 to an integer of the same size, add 1, and reinterpret_cast back, then pass that to rand() :P 18:20:37 Gregor: You can do much crazier casting than *that* in Perl. 18:21:03 you could read from /dev/random 18:21:09 Gregor: Presuming, of course, that you're fine with blessing values. 18:21:22 WHICH I AM NOT 18:21:26 I do not tolerate blessing. 18:21:31 Gregor: reinterpret_cast doesn't really make much sense in that context 18:21:42 given that Perl scalars have a string and a numeric value which need not be correlated 18:22:22 ais523: Most things don't make sense in the context of Perl. 18:22:28 ais523: Perl sucks all logic and reason out of the universe. 18:22:34 ais523: It is The Beast. 18:23:30 -- says Gregor, who just talked about C++. 18:24:11 reinterpret_cast was easier to say than (*((long long *) &var))++ 18:24:13 reinterpret_perl(C++) 18:24:14 [[Breast fetishism (also known as mastofact, breast partialism, or mazophilia)[1] is a type of sexual fetish which involves a sexual interest in female breasts.] --Wikipedia 18:24:17 *]] 18:24:26 Vagina fetishism is a type of sexual fetish which involves ... 18:24:37 Gregor: Suuuure. 18:24:50 $ perl -e '$! = 18; print $!,$/' 18:24:51 Invalid cross-device link 18:24:58 ais523: ...what 18:25:05 oh 18:25:08 the error message 18:25:10 in this case, $! simultaneously has the values 18 and "Invalid cross-device link" 18:25:12 < ais523> given that Perl scalars have a string and a numeric value which need not be correlated <-- i learn something new every day 18:25:29 cpressey_: New and horrifying. 18:25:30 ais523: hmm, how does one automatically set one based on the other? 18:25:37 or can only perl(1) do that? 18:25:55 ehird@dinky:~/Code/vagrant$ perl -e '$! = (0..10); print $!,$/' 18:25:55 Operation not permitted 18:26:02 IT IS NOT PERMITTED TO LOOK AT THE FIRST TEN ERROR MESSAGES 18:26:49 try perl -e '($! = $_), print $! for (0..10)' 18:26:53 you can't assign an array to a scalar 18:27:12 Perl: It is the worst. 18:27:40 `run perl -e 'print "I'\''m evil!";' 18:28:03 $ perl -e 'use Scalar::Util qw/dualvar/; $a = dualvar 1,"b"; print $a+0; print $a.""; print "\n"' 18:28:04 1b 18:28:30 *sobs* 18:28:32 * ais523 is not entirely certain what people would use dualvar /for/, but Scalar::Util is a good place for it 18:29:19 i only wish both those values could be references 18:29:35 cpressey_: well, you can have a reference to a scalar with such a value 18:29:42 what you're saying doesn't really make sense, though 18:29:48 it's just, you have a scalar with a string value and a numeric value 18:29:55 and the two don't resemble each other, like they generally do 18:30:05 $a = dualvar \$b,\$c; 18:30:14 i know, it doesn't work that way 18:30:51 I don't really see how the string value of a scalar could be, you know, not a string 18:31:21 ais523: how can you automatically set the string version based on the number -- or can you? 18:31:32 alise: add 0 18:31:48 addition just gives you a number 18:31:55 I'm evil! 18:32:01 that took a while... 18:32:09 Yes ... 18:32:11 WTF, Codu 18:32:21 `echo But now I'm fast again. 18:32:23 But now I'm fast again. 18:32:28 ais523: 18:32:29 ehird@dinky:~/Code/vagrant$ perl -e 'use Scalar::Util qw/dualvar/; $a=dualvar 1,2; print $a+1; print $a.""; print $/' 18:32:29 22 18:32:37 Behold! The string value of the number is an integer. 18:32:44 WHAT NOW SCIENCE 18:32:57 the string value is "2" 18:32:58 not 2 18:32:59 alise: I'm betting somewhere within dualvar it casted that to a string. 18:33:14 well, 2 has a numeric value 2, and a string value "2" 18:33:24 Oh, of course. 18:33:36 <3 18:33:40 so it just took the string value from 2 18:33:58 hmm... is "true but False" working in Rakudo yet? 18:33:58 Perl: It is evil. 18:34:01 ehird@dinky:~/Code/vagrant$ perl -e 'use Scalar::Util qw/dualvar/; $a=dualvar "a",1; print $a+1; print $a.""; print $/' 18:34:01 11 18:34:02 but what if you do $a=dualvar 1,$b where $b=dualvar 1,"x" 18:34:18 cpressey_: it'd just take the string part of $b 18:34:20 cpressey_: it kills your only son 18:34:33 if you have more than one son, it kills the others so the remaining one is your only son, then kills that 18:34:34 * Sgeo assassinates Perl 18:34:35 alise: the numeric value of "a" is 0 18:34:40 if you don't have a son, it makes you give birth to one 18:34:41 and then kills it 18:34:46 ais523: indeed 18:34:52 really, this is all quite logical 18:34:59 the numeric value of EVERYTHING is 0 18:35:09 cpressey, itym "EVERYTHING" 18:35:12 unless it happens to look like a number 18:35:19 -!- impomatic has joined. 18:35:35 Sgeo: you don't have to quote strings in Perl, if it's unambiguous without 18:35:40 (although use strict; checks for that sort of thing) 18:35:48 bibble 18:35:48 impomatic: did you ever get that program working? 18:36:07 You need quotes around "STDIN" but not EVERYTHING then? 18:36:21 Or, crud 18:36:25 Depends on context? 18:36:27 Sgeo: no, because there's no context where you can validly have either a string, or the name of a filehandle 18:36:31 Ah 18:36:56 ais523: JclRobots? Yes, the new version is working, but only on the latest beta release of Tcl. 8.5.9 didn't support something it needed 18:37:00 Sgeo: stop saying bibble! 18:37:02 Jcl! 18:37:03 -!- augur has joined. 18:37:04 It's like Tcl but in JAVA 18:37:10 e.g. print STDIN "Hello, world!" is different from print STDIN, "Hello, world!" which is different from print *STDIN, "Hello, world!" 18:37:17 impomatic: I meant the BF Joust program 18:37:21 *STDIN ? 18:37:37 Sgeo: the set of all variables named something followed by STDIN, or else the concept of the variable name STDIN itself 18:37:55 Oh right :-) Yes, it was only a simple example for the wiki, not even competitive. 18:37:58 because there isn't actually a sigil for filehandles, you need to use that notation to pass them to functions instead 18:38:09 even some simple programs can be competitive 18:38:28 alise, why should I stop saying bibble? 18:38:40 it makes you sound like you're a few months old. 18:38:48 o 18:38:55 Besides the fact that I'm not an image editor 18:38:57 okokokokoko 18:39:02 Sgeo: what 18:39:11 http://bibblelabs.com/ 18:39:19 wow, what a coincidence! I'm not an image editor either 18:41:04 http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bibble 18:41:14 WTF? For the record, I never used it to mean any of those things 18:41:38 You definitely meant it as #2. 18:42:01 Or #4. 18:42:44 amusing ontopic Wikipedia vandalism: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Brainfuck&diff=389517231&oldid=389497650 18:43:29 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 18:43:45 although whatever program generated that clearly wasn't designed for characters significantly past 255 in Unicode 18:44:37 hm? 18:44:41 ha 18:44:49 wow, slow-loading page 18:44:53 Sgeo: presumably the article has unicode in it 18:44:59 ho! 18:45:20 alise: it's quite a large page... 18:45:41 ^^that particular random barely-a-reference brought to you by the Cartoon Guide to Statistics 18:45:50 -!- augur has joined. 18:46:16 -!- antivigilante has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 18:51:49 ais523: I assume the result of that program was the entire page? 18:51:53 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 18:52:04 Gregor: so do I, I haven't tried to run it 18:52:09 Hey, look. A Nobel Peace Prize winner that has *actually done something*! 18:52:21 Liú Xiǎobō, human rights activist in the PRC. Currently in jail. 18:52:27 The PRC is currently very pissed. 18:52:49 (刘晓波 or 劉曉波) 18:52:49 The PRC is always pissed. 18:53:12 -!- ais523 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:53:21 Yes, but not usually to the point of blacking out all foreign news and forbidding all discussion of the Nobel Prize in domestic news. 18:54:05 pikhq: Mmmm, they're all about censorship though. 18:54:12 pikhq: So that's not wildly beyond their usual douchebaggery. 18:54:40 Gregor: They're also claiming that this award goes against Nobel principles. 18:55:33 And being very very pissy to the Norwegian ambassador. 18:55:35 pikhq: Still very typical douchebaggery. 18:55:44 Yeah, true. 18:57:59 They're also arresting university students for celebrating the first Chinese winner of the Nobel Prize. 18:59:41 The PRC: They are douchebags. This we know. 18:59:47 They are capable of ANY level of douchebaggery. 18:59:55 It is a government that severely needs to be wiped from the globe. 19:00:18 Though there are countries that need it worse. 19:00:20 It is the most regressive government outside of the middle east and sub-Saharan Africa. 19:00:25 North Korea. 19:00:42 OK, that's true ... but North Korea is so TYPICALLY evil :P 19:01:01 North Korea is just the most regressive government. :) 19:01:30 ... And appears to run their government based on Bond villians. 19:02:05 alise: it's pretty easy to show that if a number is normal in base n, it is also normal in base n^2 and in base n/2 (for even n obv) 19:02:50 Gregor: so do I, I haven't tried to run it ;; in case it deletes all your files? :-P 19:03:04 alise: Too lazy. 19:03:11 It is the most regressive government outside of the middle east and sub-Saharan Africa. ;; yeah, North Korea, pikhq got there first :P 19:03:13 pikhq: I think what bothers me most about China is that you can get enough of an impression of how normal life is in China to see that people are blinded and actively lied to by their government, but in North Korea is't just a giant mystery. 19:03:40 I mean, you KNOW they are, but really we have no idea. It's friggin' North Korea. 19:03:46 North Koreans want change but would never, ever ask for it. 19:03:54 They sort of have this food problem to deal with first. 19:04:03 Also, the not-getting-killed-by-voting thing. 19:04:10 Well. 19:04:15 Not getting killed by spoiling your ballot. 19:05:36 Gregor: You can get *an* idea of what it's like in North Korea. Courtesy of defectors. 19:06:00 Imperfect, though. 19:06:18 Whereas the PRC... They let everyone know about *all* the crazy! 19:07:41 They just have too many people and too much vitality to do anything about it. 19:07:58 Briggard: thou pitst'k on desgrute. 19:08:02 Yup, Palin is running in 2012. 19:08:34 pikhq: joy 19:08:53 If she wins, I'm asking for refugee status. 19:10:31 next step: ayn rand's profile on a coin 19:10:47 you know it's coming 19:11:13 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 19:12:16 cpressey_: If that happens I think we should eradicate the US. 19:12:30 Turn Canada into a continent. 19:13:07 Canadia 19:15:24 derp 19:15:45 this room has ten walls and i am the third 19:17:45 Oh, and Obama is calling for the PRC to release Liú Xiǎobō. 19:20:33 Oh, that's wonderful. The prize is being officially termed "blasphemy". 19:21:01 You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. 19:21:40 "two years' deprivation of political rights" 19:21:55 Ahh, I love how everybody uses "rights" to mean "rights that we have decided are privileges". 19:22:06 Ain't it "wonderful"? 19:25:55 "A given infinite sequence is either normal or not normal, whereas a real number, having a different base-b expansion for each integer b >= 2, may be normal in one base but not in another (Cassels 1959 and Schmidt 1960)." --WP 19:25:58 bah 19:27:41 http://gfx.dagbladet.no/labrador/137/137517/13751746/jpg/active/320x.jpg 19:28:40 It's like he doesn't even realise that the Norwegian government has no influence on the Norwegian Nobel Committee. 19:29:02 Oh, except that the members are appointed by Norwegian Parliament. 19:30:24 if Taiwan wanted to crush China and get their independence universally recognised 19:30:30 they just have to build a billion sweatshops! 19:32:19 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 19:34:27 counting utf-8 characters is easy - just take the byte count, then subtract the number of bytes in the range 128-192. 19:34:30 *blink* 19:34:41 That... Actually works on well-formed UTF-8. 19:35:16 No shit :P 19:35:23 pikhq: But it's quicker to skip over characters. 19:35:28 alise: True. 19:35:35 As Colin Percival did. 19:35:38 you have to traverse the string anyway, so yes 19:35:39 (After Kragen Sitaker.) 19:35:45 Oh, that does fuck up one thing... 19:35:55 Character composition. 19:36:10 bah 19:36:19 Oh, look. WP's begging for donations again. 19:36:33 Phantom_Hoover: they need to offer me a tardis mug 19:36:41 ok... uk people are *not* going to get that 19:37:11 How can UK people not get a TARDIS reference? 19:37:38 Phantom_Hoover: do you get PBS on your TV? 19:37:47 Ah. 19:37:49 if not, you can only imagine the mug to which I refer 19:38:01 So is PBS the Doctor Who channel for the US? 19:38:19 PBS is the only source of non-American TV for the US, afaict 19:38:25 Phantom_Hoover: It was in the past (classic Who) 19:38:38 Phantom_Hoover: The new one got aired on Sci-Fi, and then moved to BBCA. 19:38:44 *SyFy 19:38:55 Phantom_Hoover: It was never SyFy when they had Doctor Who. 19:38:56 Literacy isn't Xtreme Kool. 19:39:05 *Syfy 19:39:10 And it's pronounced "siffie". 19:39:13 I swear to god it is. 19:39:14 *Fuck 19:39:55 pikhq: Does BBC America air the *UK* BBC news? 19:39:58 cpressey_, tell us of this mug from the far distant land of America. 19:40:08 Sure, it's partly irrelevant... but oh so comforting! 19:40:20 Phantom_Hoover: YOU PUT COFFEE IN IT AND THE TARDIS DECAL WOULD FADE TO INVISIBLE 19:40:30 Character composition. ;; you mean like combining umlaut and shit? 19:40:35 coffee, not tea, because this is AMERICA. 19:40:39 well obviously it counts codepoints not graphemes 19:40:43 cpressey_, the awesomeness! 19:40:44 because counting the latter is LOLIMPOSSIBLE 19:40:58 cpressey_: I WANT IT 19:41:12 now i regret not giving them money 19:41:24 pbs has turned into a shopping channel for videos now, though 19:42:02 on Microsoft buying Adobe: "Merging two huge globs that each can extract rent on their various properties into a single similar vast glob. What could possibly go wrong..." "The combined corporate mass would exceed the Tolman–Oppenheimer–Volkoff limit and they would collapse into a black hole?" 19:42:04 --Hacker News 19:42:06 alise: They do the BBC World newscast every weekday in the evening. 19:42:11 pikhq: INSUFFICIENT 19:42:12 IIRC. 19:42:26 pikhq: I want the ten o' clock news as it airs on BBC 1! 19:42:29 Daily! 19:43:02 alise: Y'know what I'd love? The ability to pay the BBC license fee and stream BBC over the Internet. While in the US. 19:43:18 pikhq: It's more than you probably think it is. 19:43:31 £145.50 for colour, £49 for black and white. 19:43:35 (Yes, you can pay for just black and white.) 19:43:40 That's yearly. 19:43:47 So that's... 19:43:51 $230.72/year. 19:44:13 pikhq: $19.23/month, paid annually. Actually that's surprisingly cheap... 19:44:24 pikhq: Also, iPlayer quality isn't that good, unfortunately. 19:44:38 And downloading it requires a separate program that pretends to be an iPhone. 19:44:53 pikhq: Also shows disappear after something like seven days. 19:45:29 pikhq: You also can't stream the channels, just the news and stuff. 19:45:33 alise: No, I mean actually stream it. Properly. 19:45:35 But yeah, if it existed, I'd approve. 19:45:50 Also, dammit, I want multicast on the public Internet. 19:46:01 pikhq: For news itself, though, I presume you know about http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/. 19:46:04 Fuck the cable infrastructure, multicast streaming, bitch. 19:46:12 alise: Yeah, it's in my RSS reader. 19:46:13 pikhq: Which is, incidentally, the world's *only* well-designed news website. 19:46:23 Disagree? Try me. 19:46:27 Wait, Microsoft bought Adobe‽ 19:46:33 Phantom_Hoover: They're in talks. 19:46:39 I suspect this will make Flash suck more. 19:46:51 * Phantom_Hoover 's brain explodes 19:46:57 pikhq: Well, certainly on Linux/OS X. 19:47:09 On Windows ... it's actually already acceptable on Windows, or, well, moreso than other OSes. 19:47:13 So that doesn't help. 19:47:15 It's somewhat humbling that almost all real numbers are uncomputable. 19:47:18 Now if Apple bought it up... 19:47:26 ...they'd drop support for all non-OS X OSes (see: Logic Pro) 19:47:29 alise: Well, there's one dev for Flash Linux. 19:47:31 But it would get a lot better on OS X. 19:47:35 Precisely one dev. 19:47:41 pikhq: I've seen his blog. He's not very smrt. 19:47:48 Yuh. 19:47:53 In other news, Microsoft is in talks to acquire the computable reals. 19:47:58 Or was that the OS X guy? 19:47:59 I forget. 19:48:01 No, the Linux guy. 19:48:04 cpressey_: :D 19:48:04 And from what I gather, you'd need an actual dev *team* to get Flash to not suck. 19:48:25 http://blogs.adobe.com/penguinswf/ Here's the blog. 19:48:32 Hmm, it seems to have reverted to default formatting of some description. 19:49:02 Meanwhile, the first result for "penguin.swf" on Google: http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~hopha/penguin.swf 19:49:33 I wonder if Flash sucks less *running in a Windows VM*. 19:50:00 alise: Actually, Flash sucks in a lot of ways on Windows. 19:50:17 Gregor: Said like someone who's never used Flash on OS X or Linux. 19:50:31 Gregor: Does Youtube peg a CPU? 19:50:34 I have and frequently do use Flash on both. 19:50:36 "Coworker Tinic has just published..." 19:50:42 Flash is especially bad on 64-bit Linux, because *they dropped 64-bit support right after a pre-release that was later found to have serious security flaws*. 19:50:42 Hello, Coworker! 19:50:44 I've also used the Flash-based soundmanager2 on Windows and Linux. 19:50:48 They're apparently going to add it back in. 19:50:49 On Windows, timing is a horrible joke. 19:50:53 So: 19:50:56 You get to use nspluginwrapper! 19:50:57 HAHAHAHAHAHA 19:51:08 Hint: nspluginwrapper *crashes for no reason, constantly*. 19:51:18 Every time I'm listening to something using YouTube, I never close a tab. 19:51:18 Why? 19:51:24 nspluginwrapper doesn't like it when I close tabs. 19:51:29 It gets ANGRY. 19:51:49 Yes yes, alise angry, alise eat babies. 19:51:58 Anyway, Microsoft has competition for Flash, if you don't recall. 19:51:58 No, nspluginwrapper angry :P 19:52:04 It's called Silverlight and nobody cares. 19:52:05 "Competition" 19:52:08 nspluginwrapper confused and hurt. 19:52:11 But if they could squash Flash, who knows. 19:52:13 cpressey_: ... :( 19:52:15 is why it gets angry. 19:52:25 Now I am feeling sorry for nspluginwrapper 19:52:31 DAMN YOU CPRESSEY_! DAAMN YOUUUUU-- 19:52:35 * alise floats away 19:52:44 cpressey_: Damn you and damn your underscore to hell! 19:53:34 alise, don't float away! 19:53:38 Think of the helium! 19:53:38 i would nick myself back to normal but this cpressey freak is still logged in 19:54:07 Phantom_Hoover: I AM NATURALLY LIGHTER THAN AIR 19:54:11 cpressey_: /ns ghost cpressey password 19:54:19 And suddenly the cpressey am disappearate, like ghost. 19:54:49 How do people not know about /nickserv ghost ... 19:55:07 Gregor: Bad parenting. 19:56:40 -!- cpressey has quit (Disconnected by services). 19:56:44 cpressey_: Darn, you've changed your password since accidentally leaking it to #esoteric on 2010-08-10 :P 19:56:55 yes. darn! 19:56:57 Gregor: I seem to recall he was joking. 19:57:00 -!- cpressey_ has changed nick to cpressey. 19:57:15 Wow, I was -- what was I going...? 19:57:16 alise: Oh, I just grepped the logs for cpressey.*identify :P 19:57:45 well why would he write identify rather than like 19:57:49 ns identify parr0t 19:57:52 IT PLAYS VIDEO BETTER INSIDE OF A WINDOWS FUCKING VM. 19:57:54 hey, that means i could kill mz*bot removely too 19:57:59 *remotely 19:58:01 alise: Thought he was in a nickserv query window? 19:58:05 pikhq: did you try? XD 19:58:07 Aside from one detail: the Win2k network stack sucks. 19:58:10 alise: Yes. 19:58:14 Gregor: Who makes nickserv query windows? 19:58:19 pikhq: it's limited 19:58:22 10 concurrent connections or sth 19:58:22 alise: cpressey 19:58:26 there's a patch -- or -- 19:58:27 is that just XP? 19:58:33 alise: Pidgin, that's who 19:58:46 alise: That's crazy. 19:58:48 alise: The real question is who would subject themselves to Pidgin for IRC. 19:59:05 * Phantom_Hoover did for a while. 19:59:10 Gregor: people who are subjected to it anyway, that's who 19:59:22 "Windows 2000 Professional does have a limit of 10 concurrent inbound 19:59:22 connections, as is stated in the following Microsoft knowledge base 19:59:22 article:" 19:59:30 pikhq: Only inbound. 19:59:41 I can only find patchse for XP. 19:59:43 *patches 19:59:45 It uses less CPU *and memory* to have a full Virtual Box VM running for Flash. 20:00:09 pikhq: Now set up a VNC server on that Windows box, target it at a Flash window, and integrate it into a browser plugin that: 20:00:13 (1) Contacts the Windows VM 20:00:17 (2) Tells it to load the Flash file 20:00:25 (3) Tells it to focus on it with VNC 20:00:30 (4) Receives the video stream 20:00:34 So fucking perverse. 20:00:37 (5) Displays it in the area where the Flash should be 20:00:42 (6) Relays clicks and typing. 20:00:44 pikhq: ^ DO IT 20:06:41 -!- impomatic has left (?). 20:11:19 iow, rewrite nspluginwrapper into winbrowsepluginwrapper 20:11:57 alise: Better still. Use RDP for the display. 20:12:15 pikhq: Sure thing, get on it. 20:16:32 Fred Neechy 20:16:36 "God died" 20:16:51 Author of the book, "The Fag Physics" 20:19:06 * pikhq wonders what the best version of Windows to run in a VM is 20:19:11 pikhq: 95 20:19:41 alise: For those programs that'll work on 95? ... Probably, actually. 20:20:02 pikhq: 3.11 20:20:10 It Runs In DOSBox!(TM) 20:21:39 pikhq: WinCE 20:21:42 * cpressey runs away 20:23:36 * pikhq grabs a Win95 ISO 20:24:25 pikhq: If you run into problems I should be able to help. After all, I used it in a VM for several days as my only OS... 20:24:29 Aaaaw. They no longer support Flash on 95. 20:24:38 pikhq: Meh, oldversion.com 20:25:01 Macromedia Flash Player 9 (1.3 MB) 20:25:05 Although I don't know if YT supports 9. 20:25:14 pikhq: Whatever, just use the latest version that works. 20:25:26 pikhq: As for the browser, Seamonkey is probably your best bet. 20:25:33 Flash 9 worked on 98... 20:25:38 pikhq: Or Fx 2. 20:25:39 alise: Opera. 20:25:43 pikhq: Oh right. 20:25:46 I keep forgetting Opera exists. 20:25:52 pikhq: If it works in 98 it'll probably work in 95. 20:25:56 Find a way to get around the OS check, proceed onwards. 20:26:08 "There are, of course, more possible ABCs for numbers, and this would be a poor hierarchy if it precluded the possibility of adding those. You can add MyFoo between Complex and Real with..." 20:26:30 cpressey: wat 20:26:44 trying to think of the right emoticon for how that makes me feel 20:27:00 pikhq: Things that make me RAGE: Adobe refusing to give me a download page for Flash because "Chrome has it built-in!". 20:27:10 I want a fucking download page! Fuck you, Adobe! You don't know what the fuck I want! 20:30:04 cpressey, where did you get that from? 20:30:29 Phantom_Hoover: Python manual. "Abstract base classes for numbers." 20:30:42 O.o 20:30:57 This is what happens when SE people try to do mathematics. 20:30:58 http://docs.python.org/library/numbers.html 20:31:14 Python is perfectionist about its crap. 20:31:28 What is an ABC, for heaven's sake? 20:31:35 Abstract Base Class 20:31:48 C++ and Python people seem to have the same weird terminology there 20:32:05 Are there any non-Base abstract classes? 20:32:30 Do explain what an abstract class is and what Base means. 20:32:59 An abstract class is one that doesn't... wait, there are no abstract classes as such in Python. 20:33:05 SEE? 20:33:25 This is what happens when SE people try to do SE. 20:34:15 * Phantom_Hoover tries to think what class sensibly fits between C and R. 20:34:36 It's kind of stupid to think of it as a tower in the first place, but whatever. 20:34:48 "Interesting". They're a bit more involved than real numbers, but it would be an exaggeration to call them "complex". 20:35:29 I have it! 20:35:38 Phantom_Hoover: especially in a language which prides itself on duck typing 20:35:50 Reals are a 1-dimensional continuum, complexes a 2D one. 20:36:14 Logically, the intermediate sets would all be fractal continua. 20:36:28 I'm sure that's exactly what the manual author had in mind. 20:37:05 Phantom_Hoover: That's actually what I thought, ha. 20:37:06 In fact 'MyFoo' stands for "my fractally-organized ordinals" 20:37:06 Well, it could be helpful if you're computing things to do with infinite-coin Hanoi. 20:37:11 After your first line. 20:38:03 * alise tries to declip a song with Audacity 20:38:24 Since the legal moves for n-coin Hanoi approach Sierpinski's triangle as n grows. 20:38:42 Phantom_Hoover: ...awesome. 20:38:47 ...wait, what? 20:38:51 How can a number approach a fractal? 20:39:02 Well, the graph of the moves. 20:39:04 Or do you mean, rendering the legal moves in some way? 20:39:05 Right. 20:39:09 Awesome. 20:40:05 So I assume you could use a fractal continuum to simulate moves in n-coin Hanoi as movements through the Sierpinski triangle. 20:41:18 I am now trying to make this work. 20:41:38 There is evidently something seriously wrong with me. 20:41:59 not enough Lithuanian peanut-butter-based shaving crme in your diet. 20:42:11 Apparently. 20:44:16 Hmm, how do you uniquely represent a point on the Sierpinski gasket. 20:44:38 "Note however, that since computers store floating-point numbers as approximations it is usually unwise to use them as dictionary keys." 20:44:50 They "store them as approximations". 20:45:01 Where to begin with that? 20:45:17 Frothing at the mouth? 20:45:45 Would "are approximations to what you probably wanted to store" make more sense? 20:45:58 'Twould. 20:46:00 Sgeo: Yes. It would be a good start. 20:46:06 Indeed, it would be correct. 20:46:12 not enough Lithuanian peanut-butter-based shaving crme in your diet. 20:46:13 crme 20:46:18 alise: POWERSHELL!!! 20:46:22 Hmm, how do you uniquely represent a point on the Sierpinski gasket. ;; a complex number 20:46:27 or, more conveniently, R^2 20:46:33 say the whole fractal is from (0,0) to (1,1) 20:46:33 alise: are you done being silly 20:46:39 then pick a point in-between 20:46:43 to pick further, go smaller 20:46:43 etc. 20:47:06 of course if you don't have reals, rationals should suffice at a pinch. 20:47:46 Phantom_Hoover: or, something to do with Pascal's triangle for something more "exact" on a computer i guess 20:47:49 or you could represent it using Pascal's triangle mod 2 20:47:49 The pattern obtained by coloring only the odd numbers in Pascal's triangle closely resembles the fractal called the Sierpinski triangle. This resemblance becomes more and more accurate as more rows are considered; in the limit, as the number of rows approaches infinity, the resulting pattern is the Sierpinski triangle, assuming a fixed perimeter.[6] More generally, numbers could be colored differently according to whether or not they are multiples of 3, 4, e 20:47:49 tc.; this results in other similar patterns. 20:47:52 cpressey: snap 20:47:55 alise: snap 20:47:58 indeed 20:48:27 or you can generate it with a CA 20:48:28 alise, that's just a consequence of addition mod 2 being the same as XOR. 20:48:35 cpressey, same. 20:48:45 Phantom_Hoover: so? 20:48:50 Phantom_Hoover: it's still relevant! maybe. 20:49:07 I too shall join in this argument! 20:49:10 ... nah, never mind. 20:49:21 cpressey: CA? 20:49:37 or you can mail-order Siepinski gaskets from Gregor's Olde Infinite Objects Shoppe. 20:49:56 GOIOS 20:49:56 cheater99: California. 20:49:59 Rolls right off the tongue 20:50:05 What about the Chaos Game? 20:50:25 cpressey: how do you generate a pascal's triangle with a california? 20:50:38 cheater99: very carefully 20:50:43 cpressey: CA won't produce the infinitely detailed one though 20:50:50 alise: Okay, Flash 9 actually works on Windows 95 without any work. 20:50:54 pascal's triangle is only sierpinski considering infinite rows 20:50:56 pikhq: :D 20:50:57 alise: well, neither will Pascal's triangle then? 20:50:58 cpressey: are you being childish today as well 20:50:59 pikhq: screenshot 20:51:01 does it do youtube? 20:51:11 cpressey: well that's why i implied using unspecified trickery to use it 20:51:16 to identify points 20:51:20 alise: I've not installed it yet; waiting on this '95 torrent. 20:51:43 pikhq: Ah. 20:51:45 pikhq: Link me up, dood. 20:51:52 I had 95 a while back but not now. 20:52:00 Or I could find it myself :P 20:52:01 I wish you could have a (log 3/log 2)-ple. 20:52:06 alise: I dunno. The CA/PT triangle is infinite from the bottom up, the Hanoi-coins one is infinite from the top down... 20:52:10 Phantom_Hoover: You can with MATHEMATICS 20:52:25 alise, non-integer sized tuples? 20:52:28 s/triangle/gasket/ 20:52:34 Well, let's see, S^(log 3/log 2) is a function from (log 3/log 2) -> S, in set theory. 20:52:45 I know of the sets 1 and 2, but what the fuck does log do to a set? 20:52:46 alise: http://www.torrentz.com/faa86c86e912728e0ede9463c0227a5c0c656c1a 20:52:47 AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA 20:52:48 O mathematics, you never cease to amaze me. 20:53:01 Phantom_Hoover: Clearly (log 3/log 2) has dimension (log 3/log 2) but not that cardinality. 20:53:08 So, figure out what set has that dimension, and you're done. 20:53:19 this is similar to the fractions of a bit stuff 20:53:41 cpressey, but raised to the power of AWESOME. 20:54:10 setdefault: awesome dict method with ultracrap name. 20:54:28 cpressey: I always forget what setdefault does because it has a shitty name. What does it do again? 20:54:58 if k not in d then d[k] = v; return d[k] 20:55:26 er modulo how ; works in that 20:55:48 if there's something there, return it. if not, insert this and return it. 20:56:07 cpressey: *d: 20:56:10 also, ; works fine there 20:56:13 surprisingly 20:56:14 oh 20:56:16 never mind 20:56:27 cpressey: woot, that shortens vagrant 20:56:36 if v not in w:w[v]=choice(W) 20:56:36 q=w[v];s.addch(B-Y,A-X,r(32,126)if U and 0==r(0,2)and q-32 else q) 20:56:54 useful for like: self.defined_in.setdefault(groupname, set()).add(filename) 20:57:48 um 20:57:48 ehird@dinky:~/Code/vagrant$ wc -c vagrant.py 20:57:48 1916 vagrant.py 20:57:49 ehird@dinky:~/Code/vagrant$ wc -c vagrant.py 20:57:49 1896 vagrant.py 20:57:52 Oh yeah. 20:57:55 how do you get a set of fractional dimension 20:57:58 (note: inflated file size due to verbose debugging AI code) 20:58:08 i wonder what wars took place in those two years 20:58:23 on another topic, Lebesgue measure is so cool 20:58:44 Sgeo: any response from FIS yet? 20:58:56 erm, *Hausdorff 20:59:00 mixed up which one is the fractal one >__> 20:59:07 olsner: FIS -- the bancstar people? 20:59:17 "For example, the Cantor set (a zero-dimensional topological space) is a union of two copies of itself, each copy shrunk by a factor 1/3; this fact can be used to prove that its Hausdorff dimension is ln2 / ln3" 20:59:18 alise: yes... well, potentially at least 20:59:18 Phantom_Hoover: ^ 20:59:19 close! 20:59:28 "The Sierpinski triangle is a union of three copies of itself, each copy shrunk by a factor of 1/2; this yields a Hausdorff dimension of ln3 / ln2" 20:59:30 oh right 20:59:38 alise, that's the point. 20:59:56 Phantom_Hoover: then, a (ln3/ln2)-ple of S-es is a function from the Sierpinski set to S. 21:00:06 erm 21:00:09 *from a member of the Sierpinski set 21:00:11 to be clearer 21:00:12 *to a member of S 21:00:15 Whoa. Win95 actually supports Unicode. *Barely*. 21:00:20 I thought Hausdorff dimension didn't work like that... 21:00:46 Phantom_Hoover: YOU DON'T WORK LIKE THAT 21:00:48 pikhq: don't you have to install some unicode support patch from ms first? 21:01:04 pikhq: I hope that Win95 is old enough to not be OSR2.5. 21:01:06 alise, the Hausdorff dimension isn't the cardinality. 21:01:18 |R^2| /= 2 21:01:19 alise: It's the release version. 21:01:25 pikhq: OSR2.5 replaced Windows Explorer with Internet "I Can't Believe It's Not Windows Explorer" Explorer. 21:01:34 Thus dramatically steepening the decline of Windows. 21:01:40 Phantom_Hoover: I know that! 21:01:41 olsner: Installing unicows.dll made it actually support Unicode as well as NT versions. 21:01:45 Phantom_Hoover: But you have to cheat somehow. 21:01:47 So cheat like this! 21:01:53 if windows explorer == internet explorer, then certainly windows == internet! 21:02:23 alise: This one doesn't have IE at all. 21:02:27 alise, but I'm trying to work out what R^(log 3/log 2) is /so that I can identify a point on the Sierpinski set uniquely*. 21:02:31 */ 21:02:32 olsner: you have COM and .NET, so... YES 21:02:35 Uni-Cows! 21:02:42 com.net 21:02:54 The best way to package .NET applications inside COM executable files! 21:02:55 Gregor: UNICOde for Windows Systems 21:03:09 alise: dude. 21:03:12 `addquote if windows explorer == internet explorer, then certainly windows == internet! 21:03:16 Phantom_Hoover: R^(log 3/log 2) is a function from a set with cardinality log 3/log 2 to the raels! 21:03:38 Phantom_Hoover: FIGURE IT OUT YOURSELF UNGRATEFUL BÂTARD 21:03:41 ungrapeful 21:03:43 oh my, I'm having quotes added 21:03:43 alise, but how does one have a set with non-integral cardinality (indeed, non-natural cardinality). 21:03:48 *? 21:03:54 Phantom_Hoover: CLEVERLY 21:03:54 237| if windows explorer == internet explorer, then certainly windows == internet! 21:04:26 Phantom_Hoover: Clearly ∈ should result in a real, representing how-much-in the value is. 21:04:28 olsner, I haven't emailed them yet 21:05:05 {1[1/2], 2[1/2]} is a set with cardinality 1, and both 1 ∈ S and 2 ∈ S = 1/2. 21:05:08 Q.E.D. 21:05:18 alise, that is strangely awesome. 21:05:23 {1[3]} = {1,1,1}, of course. 21:05:28 So 1 ∈ S = 3. 21:05:33 I have no idea if it makes sense, but it is awesome nontheless. 21:05:38 *nonetheless 21:06:32 Phantom_Hoover: {{}[Ω]}, where Ω = Chaitin's constant. 21:06:35 MWAHAHAHAHA 21:07:07 Phantom_Hoover: "Now, allow me to introduce you to NEGATIVE CARDINALITIES!" gargled the mad scientist, before vomiting profusely. 21:07:21 ^ Now a Lyttle Lytton entry! 21:07:26 Hmm. I've got an old game here that'd be nice to play. Maybe it'll run nicely in Win95. 21:07:34 those are just all those sets pointing in the other direction 21:07:59 pikhq: thank you for saying "I've got" and not just "I've" 21:08:19 cpressey, why do you thank him for this 21:08:20 *? 21:08:22 cpressey: Odd as it is, it *is* idiomatic in General American. 21:08:36 Phantom_Hoover: because it bugs me. 21:08:43 Generalised Americanism 21:08:49 pikhq: Everything runs nicely in Win95 :P 21:08:57 I've a bone to pick with anybody who argues that "I've got" is incorrect. 21:08:58 Are you gonna do it in VirtualBox or QEMU or what? 21:09:00 pikhq: I only ever hear it on the internet, somehow. 21:09:31 Gregor: it makes you sound like you should be telling me about how a storm's a-comin', as you can feel it in your knees. 21:09:41 :D 21:10:13 alise: Virtaul Box. 21:10:26 VIRTAUL BOX 21:10:32 Virtaul is an awesome word; we must now define it. 21:10:39 The Chinese knockoff. :D 21:10:41 cpressey: Y'all ain't one to be mockin' American colloquialism. 21:10:58 cpressey: Also, I feel it in my ANKLES. 21:11:02 cpressey: Get it right. 21:11:26 cpressey: ALSO, it doesn't matter what Mr. Ivory Tower thinks it sounds like, because English is defined by its speakers, and its speakers overwhelmingly say "i've got" 21:11:40 "I feels it in my ANKLES, I tells ya! Mah ANKLES! Geddit RIGHT, for chrissakes, man!" 21:11:47 cpressey: ALSO, it doesn't matter what Mr. Ivory Tower thinks it sounds like, because English is defined by its speakers, and its speakers overwhelmingly say "i've got" 21:11:53 Most pointless pushing of descriptivism ever? 21:12:16 I WILL PUSH MY DESCRIPTIVIST AGENDA 'TIL THE END OF TIM 21:12:17 ... 21:12:19 pikhq: I shall join you, O 95 one. 21:12:21 That was a typo, but I'm leaving it. 21:12:32 Gregor: NO IT WASN'T IT'S LINGUISTIC INNOVATION 21:12:45 pikhq: I will now scare you: When Windows 95 was released, I was 48 hours old. 21:12:55 alise: "Every typo is linguistic innovation" is not descriptivism. 21:13:03 Gregor: Neither are jokes! 21:13:10 alise: NEITHER 21:13:11 alise: IS 21:13:12 alise: YOUR 21:13:13 alise: MOM 21:13:16 FACE 21:13:18 Momface 21:13:38 cpressey, wait, I say "I've" rather than "I've got" quite frequently. 21:14:17 OW 21:14:21 I JUST BASHED OW 21:14:39 That's it. 21:14:42 pikhq: Dammit, feel old! 21:14:45 From now on I'm using "I've have" 21:14:46 * pikhq uses ddrescue on this horribly beaten up Sim City 3000 disc 21:14:49 alise: I AM OLD 21:15:02 pikhq: HOW OLD ARE YOU AGAIN I'VE FORGOTTEN 21:15:07 alise: 20 21:15:20 alise: Younger than me, older than you X-P 21:15:23 pikhq: HOLY FUCKING SHIT SGEO IS ONE YEAR OLDER THAN YOU 21:15:27 HOW IS THAT EVEN POSSIBLE 21:15:31 alise: AND WINDOWS 95 WAS NOT THE FIRST VERSION THAT I USED 21:15:40 OK, let's rank everyone by age: 21:15:46 - Gregor (oldest) 21:15:51 (at 45) 21:16:00 alise < pikhq < Sgeo < Gregor < ais < cpressey 21:16:00 No bloody way. 21:16:02 Approx. 21:16:11 Gregor: Eh? How old are you? 21:16:18 alise: Like you said, 45. 21:16:22 But ais is at LEAST 60. 21:16:27 And cpressey is older than time itself. 21:16:29 Gregor: No butrly :P 21:16:30 (Being God) 21:16:37 And oerjan is older than cpressey. 21:16:44 "Alex Smith was born on 15 April 1987" 21:16:54 So he's, like, 22-23 21:17:02 I am the age that a person is if he's a third year graduate student who did all schooling by the canonical years. 21:17:02 Isn't Gregor 24? 21:17:05 I distinctly recall 24. 21:17:07 Oh shoot, ais is younger than me :P 21:17:10 LAWL 21:17:16 And you climb further up the ranks of senility. 21:17:18 alise < pikhq < Sgeo < ais523 < Gregor < cpressey < oerjan 21:17:37 asiekierka comes before me 21:17:40 he's, like, 3 21:18:02 Vorpal must be roughly in the Sgeo-to-Gregor range, I'd guess. 21:18:09 there was another guy my age iirc 21:18:11 13 or so 21:18:20 Gregor: vorpal turned 20 a little bit ago iirc 21:18:27 maybe 21 21:18:29 Guhhhh 21:18:31 so he's actually around the same age as pikhq at the least 21:18:34 Vorpal was 20 in May or June IIRC. 21:18:40 Gregor: dude, he only acts like he's old :P 21:18:48 he knows very little! 21:18:50 Lesse, ... 21:18:55 Rugxlo 21:18:57 has to be like 45835945 21:19:01 because he hates everything modern 21:19:08 or however the fuck you spell it name :P 21:19:11 impomatic 21:19:13 alise < Phantom_Hoover < (pikhq, Vorpal) < ais523 < Gregor < cpressey < oerjan 21:19:15 jix and bsmntbombdood are both in the pre-pikhq-to-ais range ish? 21:19:16 I peg as being cpressey's age or older 21:19:23 bsmnt was like 16 in 2008 21:19:31 so he'd be around 18 now 21:19:39 jix, no clue, he's before my time 21:19:42 SO I was about right thanks to the "pre" 21:19:44 impomatic is 40-something i think 21:19:47 so actually older than oerjan 21:19:57 (If such a thing is possible!) 21:20:13 HackEgo < EgoBot < alise < Phantom_Hoover < (pikhq, Vorpal) < ais523 < Gregor < cpressey < oerjan 21:20:13 clog is only 7 21:20:17 but it doesn't talk much 21:20:21 HackEgo < EgoBot < clog < alise < Phantom_Hoover < (pikhq, Vorpal) < ais523 < Gregor < cpressey < oerjan 21:20:36 nooga is 20s iirc 21:20:37 If we had a bot that was older than an actual channel member, that would be pretty epic. 21:20:42 Gregor: :D 21:20:47 Oh *wow*. The Win95 installer uses Windows 3.11 widgets. 21:20:55 Gregor: it's offensive to group people's names with vorpal 21:20:57 use = or something 21:20:57 pikhq: Heeeey, I remember that! 21:20:57 pikhq: yeah :D 21:21:11 pikhq: In the original disk-based Win95 release, you could make it use progman instead of explorer. 21:21:17 pikhq: I think they removed that from later releases. 21:21:32 pikhq, Vorpal, please rank yourselves in order of age. 21:21:50 Who else actually talks ... 21:22:20 Oops, I forgot Sgeo in that list. 21:22:28 olsnet? 21:22:33 Gregor: Windows XP SP2 was the last version of Windows to have progman. 21:22:34 cheater99: I assume by your "99" that your birth-year is 1999, making you 10 or 11. 21:22:34 Gregor: Seriously. 21:22:36 * cpressey shakes own head 21:22:41 olsner 21:22:52 my birth year is 2099. 21:22:53 pikhq: Nononono, the Win95 install let you set progman to be your default shell, instead of explorer. 21:22:55 i am from the future. 21:22:56 pikhq: In the installer. 21:22:59 AND from the internet. 21:23:00 Deewiant is 21:23:01 Gregor: That's amazing. 21:23:01 24 i think 21:23:04 maybe 25 now 21:23:10 Gregor: Perverse, but amazing. 21:23:16 Well that makes cheater99 the youngest. At an incredibly negative -89 or so. 21:23:16 cpressey? 21:23:18 WE NEED A BIG BIRTHDAYS PAGE ^_____________________^ 21:23:27 olsner: 24, amirite? 21:23:34 olsner: how old are you? SOME KIND OF CHART IS BEING ASSEMBLED 21:23:35 olsner: or 18 21:23:37 pick one 21:23:39 no other age is permitted 21:23:39 19900323 21:23:42 alise: 3 21:23:50 19900323 21:23:54 Why would you use such a format... 21:23:57 olsner is younger than EgoBot! 21:24:00 olsner: THAT IS NOT 24 OR 18 21:24:02 however 21:24:04 we will list youa s that 21:24:05 *as that 21:24:07 Also, he was on this channel before he was born. 21:24:12 alise: no, I'm 24 actually, how the hell did you know? 21:24:15 olsner < HackEgo < EgoBot < clog < alise < Phantom_Hoover < (pikhq, Vorpal) < ais523 < Gregor < cpressey < oerjan 21:24:25 alise: HackEgo is less than three. 21:24:28 olsner: probably you said it at one point, or it was on your blog, or i just deducted it 21:24:29 alise: Alternatively, HackEgo is <3 21:24:31 Gregor: NO IT'S NOT 21:24:39 alise, you forgot Sgeo again. 21:24:41 olsner: I am *scarily* accurate at these things 21:24:43 excellent deduction then 21:24:45 Phantom_Hoover: I copied cpressey 21:25:02 olsner < HackEgo < EgoBot < clog < alise < Phantom_Hoover < (pikhq, Vorpal) < Sgeo < ais523 < Gregor < cpressey < oerjan 21:25:07 alise, who copied me. 21:25:12 pikhq: Are you seeding that torrent :| 21:25:14 YOU'D BETTERBE 21:25:29 olsner < HackEgo < EgoBot < clog < alise < Phantom_Hoover < (pikhq, Vorpal) < Sgeo < ais523 < Gregor < cpressey < oerjan < Phantom_Hoover 21:25:46 I’m called Matti Niemenmaa, and am also known as Deewiant in some online circles. I’m male, about a score of years old, and live in Finland. 21:25:46 I am apparently older than myself. 21:25:48 Cool. 21:25:52 1 score = 20 21:26:02 so Deewiant's actually in the pikhq/Vorpal/Sgeo quadrant 21:26:05 alise: Yes. 21:26:28 i would not have guessed this ordering 21:26:36 pikhq: GOOD! Because I never seed >_> 21:26:38 so this chart is seriously going to list me as 3 years old? 21:26:41 olsner: yes. 21:26:46 olsner: you have nobody to blame but yourself. 21:26:49 aight 21:26:57 as long as I know 21:27:10 olsner: adjust your birthdate on your resume 21:27:15 my resume? 21:27:19 I have a resume? 21:27:26 make one and adjust the birthdate on it 21:27:44 first 3-year-old with a resume ever! 21:27:48 child prodigy! 21:28:14 child prodigy should be a group of 3-year-old kids doing prodigy songs 21:28:14 olsner, I'm on it twice! 21:28:19 :D 21:28:30 -!- cheater99 has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 21:28:31 All together now! SMACK MY BITCH UP 21:28:33 alise: I set a default goal of a 2.0 ratio. 21:28:38 , said the 3 year olds. 21:29:07 20 classical Prodigy hits, performed in the rising sun kindergarten in south sussex 21:29:27 you're Swedish -- why do you say Sussex :| 21:30:11 well, sometimes I just say stuff 21:30:25 I'm sorry but that's just the way I do it 21:30:48 "det är lite så jag jobbar", as we would say in swedish 21:31:10 -!- cheater99 has joined. 21:33:31 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MTV_News 21:33:34 dear god. 21:33:47 olsner: "That is light for the jagged job-searcher", I presume 21:34:09 alise: no, not even close 21:34:52 That are lite for jag jobber. 21:35:06 more like "that's kind of the way I work" (work as in doing a job, not work as in function) 21:35:13 olsner: SHUT UP 21:35:19 I prefer mine 21:35:23 I DON'T 21:35:42 well, bathtime anyway, see you some other time 21:36:05 yay it's done 21:36:10 olsner: three year old's bathtime 21:36:15 don't forget the ducky! 21:36:20 * olsner has no ducky 21:36:47 D': 21:36:51 :( 21:36:54 * alise gives olsner a ducky 21:36:56 *quack* 21:36:57 :) 21:36:58 yay! :D 21:37:02 [Media arrives.] 21:37:05 quacky quacky ducky ducky 21:37:05 -!- alise has changed nick to Media. 21:37:11 alise: What do you have to say for yourself, PAEDOPHILE? 21:37:13 -!- Media has changed nick to alise. 21:37:19 Media: I-- what? I was just giving him a ducky-- 21:37:20 -!- alise has changed nick to Media. 21:37:28 A "ducky" -- is this not a VILE SEXUAL PERVERSION? 21:37:29 -!- Media has changed nick to alise. 21:37:30 ... 21:37:32 -!- alise has changed nick to Media. 21:37:33 alise is like 2.5a old anyway, I'm older 21:37:35 You are hereby sentenced to DEATH 21:38:02 -!- Phantom_Hoover has changed nick to Paedofinder_Gene. 21:38:08 DAMMIT 21:38:10 but I'm certain some legislations allow minors to be sentenced as paedophiles even when molesting older kids 21:38:14 Relevant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaUkt59vY1Q 21:38:45 -!- Paedofinder_Gene has changed nick to Phantom_Hoover. 21:38:51 it's just the kind of legal area where stupid things like that would be going on (except, of course, copyright law) 21:38:53 Well, it "reboots to install more files" and then... Locks up. 21:38:55 ... 21:38:59 except/also 21:39:14 -!- jcp has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 21:40:06 So, whaddya think. Qemu? 21:40:37 -!- Phantom_Hoover has changed nick to Piratefinder_Gen. 21:40:41 DAMMIT 21:40:49 -!- Piratefinder_Gen has changed nick to Phantom_Hoover. 21:40:57 pikhq: I can probably fix it. 21:40:58 With my magic. 21:41:01 I have got it working in VB before. 21:41:03 That's what I used. 21:41:05 -!- Media has changed nick to alise. 21:41:23 Phantom_Hoover: Hey, you anticipated my reference before I noticed. 21:41:49 -!- jcp has joined. 21:41:51 pikhq: bochs! 8-D 21:41:59 alise, you made the reference about a week ago. 21:42:01 pikhq: Firstly: How much RAM you got? 21:42:02 Phantom_Hoover: >_> 21:42:37 I know you too well. 21:42:45 He knows you ... 21:42:47 * Phantom_Hoover → Blackadder 21:42:48 INTIMATELY 21:43:23 alise: I assigned it 512M. 21:44:55 pikhq: Try 384. 21:44:58 pikhq: HD size? 21:45:11 1TB 21:45:16 -!- wareya has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 21:45:20 alise: Just shy of 2GiB. 21:45:24 "Divided into 2 GB partitions!" 21:45:32 All 512 of them. 21:45:41 A: to ITWASTHEBESTOFTI: 21:45:44 alise: Assigned drive names of C-Z...err 21:46:10 -!- wareya has joined. 21:46:20 pikhq: Try starting again and tell me what you do at each step. I'm surprised -- maybe it is a problem with the CD. 21:46:34 olsner < HackEgo < EgoBot < clog < alise < Phantom_Hoover < wareya < (pikhq, Vorpal) < Sgeo < ais523 < Gregor < cpressey < oerjan < Phantom_Hoover 21:46:34 Dang, this is time-consuming when you forget to start kqemu... 21:46:35 ^^^ Guess 21:46:43 pikhq: Is the CD attached to the VM still? 21:46:45 pikhq: kqemu ... ??? 21:46:47 pikhq: KVM 21:46:54 Gregor: Erm, that. 21:46:59 KVM: Because FUCK EVERYONE WHO DOESN'T HAVE VIRTUALISATION 21:47:20 alise: At this point, your CPU has to be pretty darn olde not to have it ... 21:47:23 alise: It goes all the way through the steps on the booted-from-CD part of the install, reboots to boot off of the HD, and halts. 21:47:26 Gregor: Nope. 21:47:34 Gregor: All low-end Intel models lack it. 21:47:40 At least before i3 started becoming common on laptops, I guess. 21:48:02 alise: People with low-end processors are low-end people. 21:48:03 Gregor: For instance, any Core 2 laptop with a battery life over three minutes doesn't have VT-x. 21:48:28 I'm using a 1.33 GHz Core 2 Duo processor and it's wonderful. 21:48:30 But no VT-x. 21:48:32 alise: And yet, my '08 MacBook does. 21:48:40 Gregor: God, Bochs would be practical for this. 21:48:43 Gregor: ORITE because you *love* Apple 21:49:26 pikhq: I'm trying the CD in VB now. 21:49:38 Swear this was graphical for me. 21:49:42 (last time) 21:49:53 SWEAR IT! 21:50:17 alise: Yeah, it just has a very small non-graphical bit. Like all of Windows installs. 21:50:29 I don't recall it, but sure :P 21:50:34 Wow, Audacity's "Fix Clip" tool is ... magical. 21:50:45 It has made the awesome album well-produced! 21:50:49 From a square to actual wavse. 21:50:52 *waves. 21:51:19 alise: ...? 21:51:33 Gregor: Are you aware of what "audio" is? 21:52:09 alise: No. But I am aware of the concept of waves moving through physical matter, and have been told that audio is somehow related to that. Describe it to me. 21:52:16 pikhq: What installation method did you choose in VB? 21:52:17 Gregor: No. 21:52:57 alise: Custom? 21:53:11 pikhq: I diagnose your only diagnosis. 21:54:10 Issue with Fix Clip: when a part of the track isn't clipped, but it leads into a louder, clipped section, the onset is kinda subdued unlike before. 21:56:05 pikhq: Windows 95 is so awesome. 21:58:25 pikhq: SHOULD I INSTALL MICROSOFT MAIL AND FAX OPMG 22:02:58 Hmm. It seems that Audacity handles Replay Gain. 22:03:00 Which is awesome. 22:05:32 I wonder how Clip Fix actually works. 22:05:52 pikhq: The problems with Audacity are otherwise, like having the world's worst UI or the world's crappiest feature set. 22:07:00 http://www.reddit.com/r/Scholar/ ITT: Organised breaking of copyright for science! 22:08:00 pikhq: Mail and Fax or not?! 22:08:27 alise: Nein 22:08:37 LOSER 22:08:40 * alise enables all accessories 22:08:55 alise: The only optional thing I installed was defrag. 22:09:08 YOU'RE LAME 22:10:07 WTF NO UK KEYBOARD LAYOUT 22:10:07 WHY 22:10:34 Am I still at the end of the age list 22:10:34 Hmm. Should I try and *clean* this here horribly abused disc, or should I just torrent one? 22:10:36 oh wait 22:10:37 *? 22:10:38 "British" 22:10:39 pikhq: Torrent. 22:10:43 It's like ddrescue but more reliable. 22:11:18 pikhq: I've actually downloaded my own torrent for a game before after losing my disc. 22:11:31 pikhq: The Linus Torvalds backup system: put it on the Internet for everyone else. 22:12:39 http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/3503268/Worms_Armageddon_(Team17__1998__Sold-Out_version) 22:12:40 Here it is! 22:13:57 "Getting ready to run Windows 95 for the first time..." \o/ 22:13:57 | 22:13:57 /`\ 22:15:10 IT FUCKING CRASHED 22:15:14 IT FUCKING CRASHED QEMU 22:15:58 pikhq: VIRTUALBOX BITCH 22:16:11 IT'S WHAT PLANTS CRAVE 22:16:57 pikhq: Windows Setup, part two, now running in VirtualBox. 22:17:01 Askin' for a username and shit. 22:17:08 I'm Elliott, bitch. 22:17:15 NO PASSWORD OHHH 22:17:19 Scannin' hardware 'n shit 22:17:22 pikhq: It works perfectly yo. 22:17:52 man 22:17:55 this perfume is crazy 22:17:58 * cheater99 will have to buy it 22:18:47 alise: Have you seen "Getting ready to run Windows 95 for the first time..." ? 22:18:56 pikhq: Yes. 22:19:03 Fuuuck. 22:19:07 It is now asking me to insert my CD-ROM, after having created an account and scanning hardware. 22:19:33 pikhq: Create VM, 384 megs of ram, 2 gig HD, start it, insert CD, go through the install, let all the default hardware settings be taken, yes you have network and sound hardware, take out the CD, reboot. 22:19:36 Insert CD when prompted. 22:19:43 Use VirtualBox 3.1.6. 22:20:46 Now it 'plains about not having files on the CD. 22:21:47 * alise tries again 22:24:06 HAHA IT WORKS NOW 22:24:17 pikhq: Reboot *with* the cd but press f12; select the hard disk to boot from. 22:24:26 Follow the above instructions and it should work perfectly, unless you're crazy. 22:24:31 Or your computer is crazy. 22:25:55 Add Printer Wizard: You must install a printer before you can print from Windows. This wizard will help you install your printer. 22:26:03 Printer printer printer printer printer? Printer! Printer printer printer, printer; printer. 22:26:47 Windows protection error. You need to restart your computer. 22:26:55 pikhq: Hmph. What? 22:27:03 pikhq: Do you have virtualisation turned on in VirtualBox? 22:27:05 'Cuz I don't. 22:27:22 I rebooted and selected normal mode, and now have a login prompt. 22:27:33 VICTORY 22:27:34 yay 22:27:39 I have a desktop 22:27:42 I WIN 22:28:06 pikhq: By the way, the first -- no, the *very* first -- thing to do is to install VBEMP. 22:28:12 You have *no idea* how slow and how ugly the VGA driver is. 22:28:22 I CAN SEE THE INDIVIDUAL CONTROL PANEL ICONS DRAW ONE BY ONE. 22:28:37 "Opening the start menu" takes quantifiable time! 22:28:41 Phantom_Hoover: say something 22:28:47 sounds like my old computer 22:28:57 * alise sets up interwebs 22:31:34 pikhq: It is possible that this disc does not have networking stuff on it. 22:31:53 alise: Use D:/, not X:/ 22:31:56 do you have win 95 se with Plus! ? 22:32:12 pikhq: Didn't work for me, but I'll try again. 22:32:17 cheater99: no, that's rubbish. wait, since when is there an se? 22:32:37 it wasn't "se" but everyone knows it's the "se" 22:32:39 it's just OSR B 22:32:42 yes 22:32:44 it ruins it 22:32:48 it makes explorer into ie explorer 22:32:49 for the first time 22:32:56 and adds proper usb 22:32:59 replacing a wonderfully light and usable interface with bullshit 22:33:01 and other tings 22:33:02 cheater99: there are third-party drivers 22:33:11 ok 22:33:11 OSR B is just 98 pretending to be the best Windows ever 22:33:25 98 in 96. 22:33:35 yes, crap a whole two years early 22:33:37 YOU HAVE JUST COLLAPSED THE TIME CONTINUUM. 22:33:43 lucky, aren't we? 22:33:52 mayyybe 22:33:56 pikhq: this cd seems to suck 22:33:59 it's crashing virtualbox 22:34:03 now 22:34:10 or maybe that's the failed copy 22:34:20 It does seem to suck. 22:34:27 pikhq: i could find the one i used way back 22:34:32 alise: Do so. 22:34:32 that one worked perfectly 22:34:38 HALT at 0xfe0fc1ac: Printer Wizard is casting Bad Magic 22:35:34 pikhq: Hmph, where on earth is the CD version... 22:35:37 All this floppy crap! 22:35:57 http://filmcow.com/binotheelephant.html ONE THOUSAND TIMES YES FOREVER 22:36:01 The Windows 9x Project (95 OSR2.5, 98, 98SE, and ME) 22:36:02 DO NOT WANT 22:36:16 HALT at 0c3ecd00d: Workgroup Dragon has eaten Printer Wizard 22:36:27 alise: It does indeed suck. 22:36:36 Gregor: WHAT IS THIS 22:36:51 alise: By the guy who made Charlie the Unicorn. 22:36:54 Now we have 22:36:54 BINO 22:36:59 THE ELEPHANT 22:37:15 "Yes, Meredith, I've sent an elephant to Hell, it's science stuff you wouldn't understand." 22:37:17 ...funnier said 22:38:10 "Pooping! I've been poo-ping! A looo~t." ...this thing is going to be all quotes, isn't it? 22:38:22 alise: Mostly :P 22:38:24 alise: But not entirely. 22:38:52 "I think you've found the CHAMBER OF MISERY!" "Oh, good, how do I get in it." 22:41:50 Gregor: Please tell me there will be a sequel. 22:42:00 Probably. No guarantees, I am not the Film Cow. 22:42:04 Hey, a Vanilla the Plastic Snowman reference! 22:42:08 You don't see that every day. 22:42:24 But Llamas with Hats got sequels, and it's not as funny. 22:42:39 -!- Gregor has set topic: We are doing science SO HARD right now. | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D. 22:43:02 -!- alise has set topic: The flower... is crawling... up my urethra... | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D. 22:43:07 Clearly the more relevant quote for this channel. 22:43:19 Quote‽ 22:43:24 Needs more screamycaps. 22:43:28 Phantom_Hoover: http://filmcow.com/binotheelephant.html 22:43:35 Gregor: But he said it so resignedly! 22:43:49 pikhq: using D: helps not, it still can't finderate the filia. 22:44:05 -!- Gregor has set topic: The flower ... is climbing ... ... UP MY URETHRAAAAAAAA ... and singing! | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D. 22:44:13 Gregor: "Bino's journey into hell begins!" 22:44:15 Begins 22:44:17 -!- Gregor has set topic: The flower ... is crawling ... ... UP MY URETHRAAAAAAAA ... and singing! | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D. 22:44:54 What... did you change? 22:45:08 s/climbing/crawling/ 22:45:32 pikhq: I can't find the fuzucking torrentsimo! 22:45:48 http://www.torrentz.com/ad773aa9319cded389aff39b6989df7547af0eeb Inexplicable CD contents 22:46:36 pikhq: 22:46:37 http://www.torrentz.com/e77df637b08d16b8a346804780f05299dd034400 22:46:38 http://www.torrentz.com/8deb7a5f6e0b48ba68199ac699b13e7646c20f35 22:46:39 Pick one. 22:51:43 Science, Bino. Speculative science! 22:54:45 "Either way, she's a spanking good witch" --DMM on Hermione Granger, Irregular Webcomic! cast list, making everyone feel vaguely uncomfortable 22:55:32 DMM: the last person you'd expect to make you feel uncomfortable. 22:56:09 Except for in that exact "have a gay old time" sense that only the profoundly non-discomforting can achieve. 23:04:13 Incidentally, did anyone else look at his raytracing work? 23:05:06 * pikhq comes to the conclusion that per-app WINE prefixes is the *only* way to use WINE. 23:05:40 WINE prefixes? 23:05:57 Phantom_Hoover: Where it stores the C drive, WINE configuration, and registry. 23:06:05 Ahh. 23:06:17 Why should it be per-app? 23:06:33 Because sometimes you need to do funky stuff to get a program running. 23:06:44 And Windows programs are notorious for interfering with each other. 23:07:43 Oh, and Windows programs are effectively impossible to fully install. 23:08:09 But, if each Windows program is in its own self-contained world, it's just a matter of rm 23:09:21 Effectively impossible to fully uninstall? 23:10:16 HALT at 0x98a1d1ed: Dungeon Update is missing DLLs and Manacles 23:12:36 brb 23:18:46 Phantom_Hoover: Windows programs spew shit everywhere. 23:18:49 EVERYWHERE. 23:21:09 -!- zzo38 has joined. 23:22:30 -!- tombom has quit (Quit: Leaving). 23:24:40 I still want to know how an arbitrary point on the Sierpiński Gasket can be identified. 23:26:07 Magic. 23:26:11 And kittens. 23:30:10 Phantom_Hoover: the limit of a series of Hanoi coin flips 23:30:17 or however that works 23:30:29 I realize this is circular for your goal! Ha! 23:30:52 cpressey, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tower_of_Hanoi#Graphical_representation 23:31:05 Look upon the graph, ye mighty, and despair. 23:31:36 Phantom_Hoover: oh -- I thought it was the random thing you were doing 23:32:00 I have no idea whatsoever how this might be accomplished 23:32:45 Phantom_Hoover: I doubt there is a way to identify a point in an infinitely detailed structure without giving an infinite "path" 23:33:03 cpressey, define "infinitely detailed"? 23:33:04 either up, or down, depending on how you build the gasket, as we discussed (sort of) 23:33:07 Self similar? 23:33:10 Phantom_Hoover: it's a fractal 23:33:19 There is no point at which you can't zoom in 23:33:37 In which case, I think identification might be easy enough with an infinite stream of trits. 23:33:49 Is pretty much what I just said. 23:34:02 In fact, could be bits, from what I understand 23:34:24 No, has to be trits, since the repeating unit is repeated 3 times. 23:34:42 If you start at one of the corners, then flip a coin, then move to halfway between the corner you were just on, and one of the other two corners (becomes the new "corner you're on"), you approach the gasket. 23:34:43 However, infinity is easily worked around. 23:34:56 I read this in a magazine once. 23:35:02 So it must be true. 23:35:07 And I must be remembering it correctly. 23:35:09 That's the Chaos Game. 23:35:12 Right. 23:35:35 So you only need bits -- the series of flips in an infinite Chaos game -- to identify a point. 23:35:49 No, because the random selection is of a corner 23:35:57 So you need 3 choices. 23:36:04 Isn't it one of the corners you're not currently on? 23:36:15 I could easily be misremembering that part. 23:38:34 I think you are. 23:39:26 My algorithm was more or less "number each subtriangle, select the one corresponding to the current trit, lather, rinse, repeat." 23:40:41 Which is more or less the floating-point of Sierpiński representation. 23:42:29 Phantom_Hoover: you do realise an infinite stream of bits = an infinite stream of trits, right? 23:42:46 alise, yes, but trits are nicer for Sierpiński. 23:43:05 s/trit/tit 23:43:30 i was gonna make that joke, also you forgot the closing / 23:43:33 -!- MigoMipo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 23:43:40 Phantom_Hoover: ofc R^2 has all the points inside, it just has a lot of points outside too :) 23:44:01 Hey, bits are nicer for R^2. 23:44:31 So taking C to be pairs of reals, quarter-imaginary is the logical equivalent of binary. 23:45:04 Slereah: Phantom_Hoover wouldn't know about the tit positioning of the sierpinski triangle anyway, being a gay vampire and all 23:45:45 fungot never lies 23:45:46 alise: or use integer arithmetic. chicken performs *much* faster with fixnum optimizations. 23:46:28 ^style europarl 23:46:28 Selected style: europarl (European Parliament speeches during approx. 1996-2006) 23:46:32 fungot, speak. 23:46:34 Phantom_Hoover: yes, indeed. in fact, extremely difficult and sometimes tragic summer that we have a responsibility, although by a small oligarchy that is cut off from any hope of access even to the persecution of all political decision-makers. all this serves to enrich and complete the picture, we must take account of the new developments in the balkans. 23:53:46 Phantom_Hoover: Do you read Irregular Webcomic? 23:53:50 *Webcomic! ? 23:53:58 I do indeed. 23:54:35 Phantom_Hoover: I do, but sporadically (irregular, one might say); I'm thinking about reading it. From #1. To present day. 23:54:42 Tell me how crazy I am! 23:54:44 I did that. 23:54:58 I did it a year ago, but that's not too big a difference. 23:55:21 -!- zzo38 has set topic: I have nice flowers! They even talk! But I want to win a big spider! | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D. 23:55:39 What, doesn't everyone archive binge when they find an interesting webcomic? 23:55:51 Let's see. If it takes me seven seconds to read, digest, laugh at, and read and digest the annotations of, and then go on to the comic after, one single comic -- a ridiculously low estimate, most likely -- then it'd take five and a half hours, without breaks, to read all the comics. And that's if I did it all before the next comic is posted. 23:55:55 Methinks it is a multiple-day endeavour. 23:56:06 Phantom_Hoover: I do when there aren't 2812 freakin' stripts! 23:56:09 *strips 23:56:29 There were 2414 when I went through them! 23:56:32 I once tried to archive-binge User Friendly. I think I covered about five years or something. 23:56:35 Well, give or take. 23:56:45 alise: HOW 23:56:53 cpressey: I had faulty humour receptors. 23:57:06 I once calculated that on Archive Binge's highest setting, it would take 333 days to read all of Schlock Mercenary. 23:57:07 But as long as we're confessing, I archive-binged Sluggy Freelance once. 23:57:16 Sluggy -- isn't that the one written by a Mormon? 23:57:31 Or was that Schlock Mercenary? 23:57:37 alise: It's possible. I don't track the religious beliefs of webcomic authors. 23:57:41 God, who even cares about all these shitty comics. 23:57:51 cpressey: Mormons are a bit weirder than pure religion :) 23:57:59 Produced Twilight, too! I'm sure that book commits all kinds of sins. 23:58:02 Like "don't be awful". 23:58:07 religious+ beliefs, then 23:58:21 Twilight evidently deserves to be an SCP. 23:58:25 Yep, missionary 23:58:29 Twilight is some sick shit 23:58:35 I could deal with plain mormon, but I hate missionaries with a fiery passion. 23:58:56 I don't believe for a second that Meyer wrote down her erotic vampire dreams. 23:59:13 Matz was a Mormon missionary, which makes me sad as he's a really nice guy. 23:59:20 Thankfully, I don't like Ruby nearly as much as I used to, so it's no issue! 23:59:28 It's clearly insidiously crafted to worm its way into teenage girls' minds. 23:59:29 -!- augur has joined. 23:59:32 totally, she dictated them to her mother, who wrote them down 23:59:52 isn't larry wall something too? 23:59:54 Naked.