< 1286668802 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: what is it that wants to be in packet mode, again? < 1286668805 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traceback (most recent call last): < 1286668805 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : File "C:\stuff\vagrant.py", line 2, in < 1286668805 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : from curses import* < 1286668805 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : File "C:\stuff\curses\__init__.py", line 7, in < 1286668805 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : from _WCurses import * < 1286668806 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ImportError: DLL load failed: The specified module could not be found. < 1286668809 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of a no-brained < 1286668810 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :r < 1286668823 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: oh right that. yeah. that doesn't seem to work. sometimes. wait a sec. < 1286668854 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be weird if it worked, i just downloaded something called curses into a random directory... < 1286668874 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no, you installed it properly < 1286668877 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a problem with the package < 1286668880 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay the pyd is there, so < 1286668880 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oka < 1286668881 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1286668913 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Packet mode is on Facebook" "Sign up for Facebook to connect with Packet mode." < 1286668928 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: wait do you have cygwin? < 1286668930 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1286668933 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does alise have a facebook page? < 1286668944 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i... don't remember :D < 1286668948 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. well technically yes but the last time i used it i just played go terribly < 1286668949 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: GO CHECK < 1286668951 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see... < 1286668962 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, no < 1286668965 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i need it? :D < 1286668965 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: if you do, start the setup program and just tick python, and ncurses < 1286668967 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okayy < 1286668971 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well it would be a lot easier < 1286668971 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay clang-analyzer is silly, it is first assuming a parameter to the function is false in an if test, then in another if test on the same parameter a bit later assuming it is true < 1286668971 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1286668978 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cygwin.com/setup.exe < 1286668979 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it has obviously not been changed in between < 1286668983 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or could have been changed even < 1286668991 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just need to tick python and ncurses; and obviously you love my program enough to do this < 1286669007 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: btw if you're wondering why Vorpal is so boring, it's because he's AnMaster < 1286669009 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes¨ < 1286669020 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesumlaut < 1286669020 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, he knows that < 1286669025 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know that < 1286669030 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and stop trolling < 1286669035 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm trolling? < 1286669046 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think you know what trolling means < 1286669054 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I do know, and you are doing that atm < 1286669064 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure you are, i mean you can't seriously think AnMaster is boring < 1286669087 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i must just be trying to rile him up because i'm so jealous of how interesting he is < 1286669089 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway the first thing you said last time i entered was "...and AnMaster is Vorpal now, things have changed surely much yes" < 1286669093 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. what an absurd position to take. you must be trolling. < 1286669094 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, :P < 1286669097 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you imagine meeting him in person? all the sparkly ideas < 1286669100 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bouncing out of him < 1286669109 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the spontaneity < 1286669110 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the FUN < 1286669111 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, mentioning it all the time is trolling however < 1286669114 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that is what alise is doing < 1286669125 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mentioned it once before you misused "trolling" < 1286669132 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: "changed surely much yes" wat < 1286669133 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, once today yes < 1286669135 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was i thinking < 1286669140 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: what? < 1286669144 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: from what i said < 1286669153 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i dont' se it < 1286669156 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : anyway the first thing you said last time i entered was "...and AnMaster is Vorpal now, things have changed surely much yes" < 1286669163 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1286669167 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's gonig on < 1286669169 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't sehet it < 1286669188 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: are you installing cygwin, drunkard < 1286669189 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, nor do I < 1286669195 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i SM < 1286669197 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind ofa < 1286669203 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : anyway the first thing you said last time i entered was "...and AnMaster is Vorpal now, things have changed surely much yes" < 1286669204 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just said that < 1286669213 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i replied "changed surely much yes" < 1286669214 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1286669217 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quoting the extract < 1286669218 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surel6y that'sd yrue < 1286669221 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to highlight its incomprehensibility < 1286669227 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: stop faking drunkenness < 1286669231 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286669231 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that, now I get it < 1286669233 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obvious < 1286669250 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually what i was doing was not correcting my spelling < 1286669253 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no seriously though, cygwin. tick python and ncurses. for peace and family! < 1286669265 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'll correct it from now in < 1286669267 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*on < 1286669279 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1286669283 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm installing < 1286669303 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: oh jesus PACKET MODE < 1286669307 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: man you are going to find this *so* disappointing. unless you love games without challenge < 1286669307 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't ticked anything, it didn't ask yet, and it's already installing all kinds of crap < 1286669311 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: RIGHT what is it, i enabled it < 1286669315 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was enabled by default < 1286669319 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: um it should have provided a list < 1286669322 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a bunch < 1286669323 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of categories < 1286669325 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at a previous step < 1286669325 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :games without challenge are so coolsome < 1286669326 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1286669332 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's probably just downloading the list < 1286669336 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: um. everything in BSD-land is ancient. Good luck finding hardware where it makes a stitch of difference < 1286669336 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, cancel and trya gain < 1286669339 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1286669341 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: what is it. < 1286669342 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1286669349 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, VM :P < 1286669354 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's currently asking where i want to download from < 1286669362 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yeah just pick any. probably one in finland < 1286669363 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was listing what it's currently downloading < 1286669364 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286669379 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: do i want cp850 or iso keyboard map :| < 1286669381 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU CLEARLY KNOW THIS < 1286669391 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1286669403 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: http://leaf.dragonflybsd.org/cgi/web-man?command=boot0cfg§ion=8 < 1286669406 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :srch for packet < 1286669411 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chose a random one, didn't see a .fi < 1286669414 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: hah < 1286669419 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's quite a lot to download < 1286669421 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would have chosen a .se < 1286669426 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :swedish servers are fast for some reason < 1286669550 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay i'm downloading something now < 1286669561 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what it is, but something definitely < 1286669574 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's like 100 megs to download < 1286669576 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you picked a slow server < 1286669578 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this will never finish < 1286669593 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286669602 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i picked a random one as i said < 1286669608 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1286669610 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: go back and pick an .se < 1286669612 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1286669612 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :over half done < 1286669617 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: that's just the package list! < 1286669621 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that finishes in about 5s for me < 1286669626 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :five seconds < 1286669629 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need a good mirror :P < 1286669666 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :speed is like 200 kB/s afaik < 1286669669 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*afaiu < 1286669699 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should be fine then < 1286669719 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: anyway once it goes to the list just use the searchy thing to search for python, tick that, then ncurses, tick that too < 1286669727 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you wanna pick like the latest one if it lists a few < 1286669753 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to sleep soon < 1286669755 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1286669761 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: but my gaem < 1286669764 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1286669770 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's very important, yes < 1286669778 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: will you return :| < 1286669785 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might! < 1286669791 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: NO YOU MUST < 1286669827 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :university takes pretty much all my time < 1286669827 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Later < 1286669841 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: just combine drinking and #esoteric < 1286669841 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i hate computers < 1286669845 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1286669847 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WRITE OKLOS < 1286669848 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is < 1286669857 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't drink very often < 1286669884 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i'm drunk people are very interesting < 1286669887 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: forfeit all social interaction < 1286669890 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :join #esoteric < 1286669896 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :byt when i'm not, i just try to solve things < 1286669920 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me, #esoteric is the social interaction < 1286669924 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :solve enjoying #esoteric < 1286669946 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i will totally come to turku sometime < 1286669958 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well helsinki looks like more fun, but i guess i could go to turku too < 1286669979 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except being a researcher is mostly talking to the other researchers, although mostly it's them talking and me thinking about math < 1286670003 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i would definitely LOVE seeing you < 1286670011 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never have you sounded more sarcastic < 1286670018 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;-) < 1286670026 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll just blow turku up < 1286670031 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in any case that's true < 1286670039 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be cool to meet your < 1286670043 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my what < 1286670049 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1286670053 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't notice that < 1286670055 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-r < 1286670059 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your penis < 1286670061 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: HOWS CYGWYN < 1286670067 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's se. < 1286670074 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :installed! < 1286670083 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: wait did you select python and ncurses < 1286670096 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1286670097 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of < 1286670103 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was some sort of selecting thing < 1286670105 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1286670108 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you skipped it < 1286670109 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was not ncurses < 1286670113 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: was there curses < 1286670118 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe < 1286670120 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't look < 1286670121 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286670123 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well whatever it might work < 1286670125 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :start a cygwin shell < 1286670129 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1286670130 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in your start menu somewhere < 1286670132 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cygwin bash or whatever < 1286670144 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: then cd /cygdrive/c/path/to/vagrant < 1286670150 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then python vagrant.py < 1286670152 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should work < 1286670216 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no module named _WCurses < 1286670217 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286670222 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ugh wait < 1286670227 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/bin/python vagrant.py < 1286670229 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg quaffing has a bug < 1286670279 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to go sleep soon btw < 1286670283 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: okay in vagrant.py < 1286670285 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after the line < 1286670288 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if k=='q': < 1286670290 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :put < 1286670291 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : q=min(P,20) < 1286670293 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the bug will be gone < 1286670295 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1286670307 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: does the /usr/bin/python one work? < 1286670316 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly not < 1286670338 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ff what happens < 1286670388 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: WE ARE SO CLOSE TO SOLVING THE WORLD < 1286670404 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286670412 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: WHAT HAPPENZ < 1286670413 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_WCurses doesn't be found < 1286670420 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: even with /usr/bin? < 1286670429 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1286670435 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/bin/python vagrant.py < 1286670436 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :run that < 1286670438 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in cygwin < 1286670440 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still not < 1286670443 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1286670444 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same error/ < 1286670447 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*error? < 1286670449 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1286670452 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's simply not possible < 1286670455 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286670458 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure you entered that exactly :| < 1286670462 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: okay where did you put wcurses < 1286670464 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure! < 1286670472 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wcurses?= :D < 1286670488 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: THAT CURSES FOR WINDOWS YOU COPIED SOMEWHERE < 1286670492 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286670493 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to site-packages < 1286670495 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where did you put it < 1286670554 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well umm < 1286670568 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see < 1286670598 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :python26/lin < 1286670601 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*b < 1286670606 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: where is ptyhon26 < 1286670607 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c:? < 1286670609 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*python26 < 1286670610 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesh < 1286670616 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: OH < 1286670619 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just delete the curses folder < 1286670624 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in c:\python26\lib\site-packages < 1286670625 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just baleet it < 1286670628 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then try again < 1286670634 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :done < 1286670639 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :work? < 1286670642 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1286670683 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :baleeettet? < 1286670704 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what < 1286670707 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: try the python line again < 1286670710 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/bin/python vagrant.py < 1286670713 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i deleted *a* curses folder < 1286670721 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not the one in site-packages < 1286670726 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;-) < 1286670737 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: undo that. < 1286670740 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't < 1286670744 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286670746 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: actually it doesn't matter < 1286670749 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know c:\python26? < 1286670753 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nuke that whole directory. < 1286670759 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know that address yes < 1286670765 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just delete it. < 1286670773 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i won't, there's a couple progs of mine thar < 1286670774 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sry < 1286670779 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: okay just delete < 1286670781 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c:\python26\lib < 1286670786 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should work fine < 1286670818 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1286670820 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1286670828 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's full of files! < 1286670831 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: trust me, i'm a scientist. < 1286670835 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's full of files from evil python < 1286670837 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we want lovely cygwin python < 1286670839 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which has bunnies < 1286670845 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evil python files are infecting cygwin python's brains < 1286670846 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and making it dumb < 1286670853 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1286670853 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1286670857 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay i'll remove all < 1286670863 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll do what you say < 1286670873 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: HOW IS THE PUBLICATION OF MY MATHNEWS ARTICLE GOING EH < 1286670873 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fall prey to the mind control < 1286670882 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: guess it didn't make this issue? < 1286670885 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno < 1286670890 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: BAH < 1286670898 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it out then? < 1286670900 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all gone now < 1286670906 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: it might come back for a later issue < 1286670907 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: now try the command < 1286670909 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you never know < 1286670917 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: the website hasn't been updated, sheesh! < 1286670920 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such unprofessionalism < 1286670922 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait actually it takes a while to remove 2000 files < 1286670924 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is exactly what i was complaining about < 1286670932 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: also sort of the point < 1286670937 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay still no module WCurses < 1286670941 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ...what < 1286670945 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: that's, literally physically impossible < 1286670946 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to sleep now :D < 1286670947 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286670948 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: NO WAIT < 1286670950 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe you < 1286670953 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: the traceback it gives < 1286670954 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what files does it list < 1286670956 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omaay < 1286670956 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from vagrant.py < 1286670969 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I BELIEVE IN THE POWER FUNCTION! < 1286670992 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: i suggest you boycott that evil paper < 1286670999 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vagrant.py, from curses import blah < 1286671006 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: the FILES < 1286671006 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then < 1286671008 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that aren't vagrant.py < 1286671009 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1286671020 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :__init__.py < 1286671026 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1286671028 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but __init__.py WHERE < 1286671035 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c/stuff/ < 1286671044 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...rses < 1286671045 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I NEED TO KNOW THE PATH < 1286671046 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1286671049 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*.../curses < 1286671056 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not stuff/ < 1286671057 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm okay < 1286671058 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the stuff is important :p < 1286671113 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/cygdrive/c/stuff/curses/__init__.py < 1286671121 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: WHAT IS STUFF FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF < 1286671127 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sic. < 1286671130 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1286671136 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sic < 1286671144 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/c/sic/curses? < 1286671146 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it is not < 1286671173 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean literally stuff. < 1286671185 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: really? < 1286671193 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes really < 1286671202 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i call my main folder suff. < 1286671204 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*stuff < 1286671212 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yes, but < 1286671215 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :curses shouldn't be right in there < 1286671217 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: OH < 1286671219 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: remove stuff/curses < 1286671223 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remove that whole directory < 1286671224 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D < 1286671225 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286671227 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok! < 1286671238 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :done < 1286671242 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: now try < 1286671252 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1286671253 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woks < 1286671255 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*works < 1286671257 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: now play < 1286671260 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you remember what i said < 1286671262 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my tutorial < 1286671273 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1286671273 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : after the line < 1286671273 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if k=='q': < 1286671273 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : put < 1286671273 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : q=min(P,20) < 1286671273 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : then the bug will be gone < 1286671274 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it still says there's no WCurses < 1286671276 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: did you do this? < 1286671282 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it prints the map < 1286671287 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1286671291 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: wait, what? < 1286671295 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay Ctrl+C < 1286671297 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clear < 1286671302 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/bin/python vagrant.py < 1286671305 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should definitely work < 1286671308 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with no errors < 1286671319 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: do you remember the controls and what things are and shit < 1286671323 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not i can copy-paste :LP < 1286671353 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*:P < 1286671411 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm okay now it works < 1286671412 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1286671419 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to sleep < 1286671442 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll complete the game tomorrow < 1286671445 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mAYBE < 1286671448 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < 1286671540 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: IT IS SUCH FUNS < 1286671543 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: wait < 1286671544 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286671545 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: come in here tomorrow :| < 1286671710 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286671764 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: it doesn't boot! < 1286671765 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: fix yer installer < 1286671812 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i resigned < 1286671820 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: DRAT, FOILED AGAIN < 1286671825 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, that's the boot block's problem < 1286671831 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1286671835 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it won't start smtpd or something < 1286671838 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently this is a boot-blocking error < 1286671841 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(what is it about BSDs that attracts drama, btw?) < 1286671853 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well then it boots, it just doesn't... start up < 1286671865 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most useless distinction evar < 1286671870 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pah. who needs smtpd < 1286671872 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey safe mode seems to work < 1286671883 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: WILL YOU USE MY BSD/LINUX (I HAVE NO IDEA WHICH YET) DISTRIBUTION < 1286671887 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will be all the puppies < 1286671890 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the flowers and kittens < 1286671892 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IF YOU CAN GET TO MINED, IT BOOTS < 1286671903 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: perhaps. < 1286671904 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact it may just be distributed as kitten-version.iso < 1286671927 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kitten, nice name for an os < 1286671931 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :much better than Quadrant (my first thought) < 1286671957 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it boots just with yelly error messages that hide the login prompt < 1286671959 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :until you press enter < 1286671989 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at one point i wanted to strip the Dragonfly userland to the bare minimum and distribute a (then-)flash-drive sized distro of it < 1286671993 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :called "Damselfly" < 1286671994 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: features: everything is a service! stupid init system all gone, instead process 1 is just a nice service management system (think "# ctl start x11") < 1286671999 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get it? and there actually is such an insect < 1286672006 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably non-glibc for at least most stuff < 1286672009 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe statically linked (probably not) < 1286672014 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsd userland, or at least a minimal one < 1286672024 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: hur hur :P < 1286672054 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: did it ever get anywhere? < 1286672055 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess not < 1286672061 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: no < 1286672080 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: have they packageized the base system yet? < 1286672084 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, extra feature: probably some sort of pre-assembled configuration of a panel program and i guess a file manager, constituting the "desktop environment" < 1286672084 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, fft < 1286672090 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: very much doubt it < 1286672101 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are so many old programs in there no one the fuck uses < 1286672109 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh, extra feature: probably some sort of pre-assembled configuration of a panel program and i guess a file manager, constituting the "desktop environment" < 1286672110 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a package that is < 1286672112 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :supporting ancient and obscure hardware < 1286672117 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/^ +// < 1286672144 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, for that reason alone, i would lean towards, if you have a bsd userland, make it a package < 1286672145 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and there may be some merging of the concepts of a package manager and a system configuration manager, and maybe even services manager < 1286672149 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's much more up in the air < 1286672155 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: everything will be a package, more or less. < 1286672156 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eeowza < 1286672158 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the kernel won't be < 1286672160 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will use *my* LINUX DISTIBUTION (if/when I write it)? < 1286672168 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: perhaps. < 1286672172 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe one or two things in /bin that the system needs to even start will be in one package like ultra-base < 1286672176 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and /lib < 1286672181 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: probably not. < 1286672186 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It won't have all the puppies and flowers and kittens. (If you want those, you have to get them separately) < 1286672198 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, this is why i wouldn't use it! < 1286672203 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apt-get install butterflies < 1286672205 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like puppies and flowers and kittens! < 1286672217 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: oh yeah, and general system ethos of... not breaking, ever < 1286672221 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i can help it < 1286672231 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: That's why? You can still get them separately, you should be able to use them compatible, with background picture or whatever.... < 1286672245 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and packages that really suck like x11 and the like will probably come with some sort of helping aids to make them less terrible to administer < 1286672257 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: But I need puppies and flowers and kittens. < 1286672264 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How could I even install them if I didn't have them? I need them to use any system! < 1286672292 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: You can use your distribution. For my distribution, if you want puppies and flowers and kittens, you have to get it separately. It is not part of the distribution, but that doesn't mean it is incompatible. < 1286672312 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: it's also possible that the system will be run entirely from ram. < 1286672313 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe. < 1286672317 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmkay. So far, I have discovered that everything ever hates me. < 1286672336 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might write most of the new programs using Enhanced CWEB. Now, this Linux distribution is not only a operating system, it is also a book. < 1286672337 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: But how could I get it? I'd have to use a distribution to do that. And if I use yours, it won't have puppies and flowers and kittens, so I won't be able to use it even for the second it takes me to get them. < 1286672373 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Ah, then don't use it, if you don't want to..... or, just make a modified distribution using some other system to make the modifications with..... whichever way you prefer < 1286672400 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you will need to use the autopuppifier download tool < 1286672403 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want pictures, put the pictures on USB memory or so on. < 1286672404 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll stick to kitten OS < 1286672408 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: no pictures < 1286672408 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: OK. < 1286672409 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actual kittens! < 1286672413 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and flowers, and puppies < 1286672424 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: OK, do that if you want to. < 1286672425 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my operating system < 1286672599 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: lame, it doesn't do qemu's network < 1286672600 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :properly < 1286672603 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or i configured it wrong >_> < 1286672710 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: "As of 1.4, DragonFly uses the NetBSD Packages Collection pkgsrc (http://www.netbsd.org/docs/software/packages.html) for third-party software." < 1286672711 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheaters < 1286673102 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION uses aria2c to download PC-BSD from all mirrors at once
< 1286673107 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have explained before that I planned to call my distribution "ArcaneLinux", and explained the codename scheme used. Some people figured it out, other people think the theme doesn't match itself. (alise: What codename scheme do you plan?) < 1286673117 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the scheme < 1286673121 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1286673194 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: The scheme is that the second version might be called "Illimitable Illithid" and the sixth version called "Vancouver Island", and so on. < 1286673213 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1286673223 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't plan a codename scheme, as I don't plan to have releases, just updates. < 1286673241 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The installer CD will probably be rebuilt whenever it stops working or gets out of date in some noticeable way. < 1286673254 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So from about one to three months, I would guess. < 1286673356 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those would just be given YYYY-MM release dates, almost certainly. < 1286673362 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1286673486 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Hey -- were you the one who knew stuff about ksplice? < 1286673503 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was that a #nixos guy < 1286673544 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Ooh, scratch that. I just had an idea. < 1286673559 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: If you did a hibernate-type-thing, would it be possible to omit the kernel memory, and then have the new kernel restore it? < 1286673567 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus having a reboot but keeping everything started up. < 1286673734 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@64.62.173.65 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286673790 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Only if you could somehow make it keep track of the kernel *state*. < 1286673830 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: True. Aww. < 1286673841 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I wish ksplice was something you could port to another kernel in, like, days. < 1286673845 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupid bad system design. < 1286673853 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I guess I'll just stick to supporting a kexec reboot method. < 1286673958 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: guess what. i left when they decided to use pkgsrc < 1286673967 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, way to innovate, guys < 1286673967 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: haha < 1286673990 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there were like two or three people involved in the project who were trying to build a new package system, too < 1286674015 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, the last thing i'd have expected from you is for you to have written an installer and stuff for a bsd variant < 1286674020 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just... < 1286674025 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you suer it was you? < 1286674026 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sure < 1286674047 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: it's in Lua, too! ooooo! < 1286674051 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not me! < 1286674069 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that's why it sucks then < 1286674069 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1286674113 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever used freebsd's installer? < 1286674118 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, c'mon < 1286674151 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all bsd installers suck < 1286674186 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: So, the way to get a Win2k VM in Qemu is apparently to install it in VirtualBox and convert the disk image. < 1286674285 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Oh joy. < 1286674287 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not just use it in VirtualBox? < 1286674301 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: pc-bsds is probably decent since it's all modern and graphical, even if that's irritating < 1286674309 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: kitten's installer will be nice :D < 1286674340 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1286674355 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: what was the old installer like:? < 1286674357 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it had one < 1286674359 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*like? < 1286674365 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Because qemu is significantly more flexible. < 1286674381 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: why would you want flexible win2k :p < 1286674393 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: And VirtualBox doesn't really let you go and just create a hard disk image that's a copy-on-write clone of another one. < 1286674417 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true. < 1286674421 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: are you replacing wine or something :) < 1286674440 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not all programs run on WINE. < 1286674441 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1286674463 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: you mean dfbsd? it didn't have one. it just came with instructions for how to do an install using unix commands < 1286674471 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: joy < 1286674472 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas the only limitation with qemu is that it doesn't emulate 3D hardware. < 1286674478 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from a booted livecd, of course < 1286674520 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: to be honest, the installer in kitten will probably just help you partition a little, format filesystems, tell the package manager "install the base package in this root", and then do some trivial system configuration < 1286674521 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1286674524 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's quite a lot < 1286674527 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it won't be a hugely complex prorgam < 1286674529 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*program < 1286674530 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1286674563 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you make it with kitten and flower, does it have flowers that even talk? < 1286674597 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flowers don't talk < 1286674608 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shall force Windows into doing his bidding! Muahahaha
< 1286674624 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I know. That is why it is funny < 1286674633 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it isn't a flower then! < 1286674637 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what are you planning to do? < 1286674711 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: ... Create a set of application-specific VMs. < 1286674718 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: right. < 1286674726 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: replace explorer.exe with the application >:) < 1286674734 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then make the application fullscreen if possible < 1286674737 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and make qemu set the window title < 1286674739 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then make a launcher for it < 1286674742 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :voila, slowest program ever < 1286674748 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: can qemu do automatic mouse capture? < 1286674750 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, that'd be annoying < 1286674754 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can't. < 1286674772 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.metasploit.com/redmine/attachments/433/get_bionic_working.diff ;; this purports to make android's libc, bionic, compile on a regular system < 1286674787 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm primarily intending this for games for Windows. < 1286674790 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno if linux or bsd < 1286674795 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: right. qemu is a bit slow for that < 1286674798 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? < 1286674800 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either 2D or sufficiently-simple-3D-that-software-rendering-doesn't-suck < 1286674803 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: KVM < 1286674805 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1286674876 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE" < 1286674881 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now *there's* an error I dislike. < 1286674913 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286674921 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: :-D < 1286674932 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exception: [FtpNegotiationCommand.cc:346] File /home/ehird/PCBSD8.1-x86-DVD.iso is being downloaded by other command. < 1286674936 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder why i get 394857573894579345 of those. < 1286674941 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when feeding it a hueg list of http and ftp servers < 1286674945 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(aria2) < 1286674969 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries installing on qemu without KVM
< 1286674977 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(... and toggle KVM on afterwards) < 1286674982 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oo < 1286674998 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION starts singing Gilbert & Sullivan
< 1286675002 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Poor fellow..." < 1286675018 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This'll be slower than hell. Hooray. < 1286675090 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. Windows installation breaks with kqemu & kvm. < 1286675258 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where can I find an introduction to functional programming that doesn't talk as if the reader is brand new to the idea of what functional programming is? < 1286675279 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wareya: Umm... < 1286675284 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's sort of half-contradictory. < 1286675293 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sort of get what you mean, but... < 1286675337 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm. "Setup is starting Windows 2000" for the past... 5 minutes. < 1286675346 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's lying to me. < 1286675359 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like how most imperative programming 'tutorials' start off with what variables and statements are, and don't get past them for five pages. < 1286675409 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Motherfucking hell. < 1286675443 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything hates me. < 1286675450 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wareya: HTDP? SCIP? < 1286675455 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*SICP < 1286675475 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boo htdp, yay sicp < 1286675481 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :htdp is too practical and plt and BULLSHIT :| < 1286675490 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you read your SICP today? < 1286675491 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1286675494 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coppro: ? < 1286675516 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :htdp.org / google it < 1286675524 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1286675525 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wareya: sicp. < 1286675528 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sicp < 1286675552 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if we can start a htdp/sicp flamewar
< 1286675552 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to find the ascii /prog/snake
< 1286675569 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll be the new emacs/vim < 1286675602 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MLftWP < 1286675612 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1286675612 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I work on power management, so I'm always interested in what kind of power management functionality and interfaces people want. Plumbers included a nice discussion with someone from an embedded company I can't remember, culminating in us deciding that the existing cpufreq interface did what they wanted and so no new interfaces needed to be defined. Google was going to be an interesting case of a large company hiring people both from the embedded world and a < 1286675612 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lso the existing Linux development community and then producing an embedded device that was intended to compete with the very best existing platforms. I had high hopes that this combination of factors would result in the Linux community as a whole having a better idea what the constraints and requirements for high-quality power management in the embedded world were, rather than us ending up with another pile of vendor code sitting on an FTP site somewhere in < 1286675613 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Taiwan that implements its power management by passing tokenised dead mice through a wormhole. < 1286675614 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To a certain extent, my hopes were fulfilled. We got a git server in California." < 1286675641 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: ML for the Working Programmer < 1286675648 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not bad. but it is ML < 1286675656 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything ending "for the Working Programmer" sounds like something to avoid. < 1286675677 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I believe it's a pun on "Category Theory for the Working Mathematician" < 1286675686 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not pun. play < 1286675690 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1286675692 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad marketing then :) < 1286675698 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: *Categories, I think < 1286675702 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if google serves me right < 1286675709 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be < 1286675713 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it is < 1286675715 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just checked < 1286675716 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never heard of categories theory < 1286675722 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Categories for the ... < 1286675724 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :silly < 1286675736 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :category theory is cool, even if i will never understand it < 1286675772 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just go to grad school in pure math < 1286675794 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in other news, <3 going to a real math school) < 1286675796 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: like, right now? < 1286675806 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: obviously! < 1286675810 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll be there in twelve hours. < 1286675821 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: your job is to secure my admission < 1286675829 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I'm sick < 1286675836 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I demand a three-hour extension < 1286675850 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: granted. but you also have to give me money, too. < 1286675853 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. VirtualBox it is. *mutter* < 1286675860 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damned snapshots. < 1286675864 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And sucking. < 1286675868 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially sucking. < 1286675905 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting thing I learned last week: if k divides n, the kth Mersenne number divides the nth Mersenne number. < 1286675933 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT WHAT IF K DOESN'T DIVIDE N, COPPRO?!?!?!?! < 1286675938 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT THEN?! < 1286675942 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT THE *FUCK* THEN?!!?!:@?!?!?! < 1286675947 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somebody think of the children < 1286675949 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH < 1286675953 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sobs
< 1286675960 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: It's okay, I haven't proven it yet < 1286675969 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: YOU DON'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT PEOPLE < 1286675979 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALL YOU CARE ABOUT IS YOUR MATHEMATICS, PROVING THINGS AND RUINING PEOPLE'S LIVES! < 1286675986 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAKE UP, COPPRO! WAKE THE FUCK UP!!! < 1286675998 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematics and pooppyness. < 1286676016 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: that's going to be the title of coppro's phd thesis < 1286676042 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematics and pooppyness: a method to remove undesired comments from a networked computer conversational system. < 1286676055 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, his phd thesis is on /ignore < 1286676089 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google are testing self-driving cars on the actual road, without the driver actually driving. < 1286676091 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is that legal? < 1286676099 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And why? < 1286676100 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VirtualBox has the *concept* of copy-on-write images. It just doesn't let you create them outside of its retarded conception of "snapshots". < 1286676120 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"With someone behind the wheel to take control if something goes awry and a technician in the passenger seat to monitor the navigation system" < 1286676122 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES, BUT. < 1286676128 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: ohgodihopenot < 1286676135 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/10/science/10google.html < 1286676140 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: or was that the phd thesis thing < 1286676145 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you were going ohgodihopenot to < 1286676157 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one or the other < 1286676163 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway only in sil. val. and if you live there you deserve what you get < 1286676174 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(how does one appreciate silicon(e) valley?) < 1286676179 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it would be really awesome if the police were to go and bust them for it < 1286676182 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :siliconE-Valley < 1286676190 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: it's probably legal, if they're doing it < 1286676191 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow < 1286676200 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but imagine if it drove slightly over the speed limit due to a rounding error < 1286676204 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably has to do with freedom of speech or something < 1286676204 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they got pulled over < 1286676209 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :driver with his hands down by his side < 1286676212 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1286676222 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man, how great would it be if it pulled over automatically? < 1286676226 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or -- even better -- < 1286676231 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ran away automatically < 1286676233 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whenever it sensed police < 1286676238 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even better < 1286676241 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :driver falls asleep < 1286676242 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VROOOOOOOOOOOOOOM < 1286676246 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: :D < 1286676250 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :automatic car chase up a mountain < 1286676252 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the driver asleep < 1286676299 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, if it was driving off of google maps, did something dumb like crash into a closed road < 1286676308 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a nonexistent one < 1286676499 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< alise> coppro: it's probably legal, if they're doing it < 1286676512 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :corporation is doing x. therefore x is probably legal. < 1286676520 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, i wish. < 1286676557 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: well. < 1286676561 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the NYT knows about it. < 1286676565 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google certainly aren't ultra-silent < 1286676575 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise they would have detailed their OMG INVESTIGATION < 1286676578 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to find out who's behind it < 1286676595 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe. < 1286676650 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The car can be programmed for different driving personalities — from cautious, in which it is more likely to yield to another car, to aggressive, where it is more likely to go first." < 1286676660 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Building a car-driving AI with an "aggressive" option: worst idea ever, or worst idea ever? < 1286676683 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEST < 1286676684 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IDEA < 1286676684 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVER < 1286676702 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then just deploy it in your favorite belligerent country. < 1286676704 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suddenly people are getting run down. < 1286676709 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody can identify who's running them down. < 1286676715 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kim Jong Il gets hit by a car ... < 1286676729 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1286676736 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, this presupposes north korea has roads < 1286676747 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does. < 1286676751 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tour buses drive on them < 1286676756 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that trains? no. bus. < 1286676783 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: They have extremely overbuilt road infrastructure. < 1286676796 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You see, being able to show off highways is a source of national pride. < 1286676816 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having enough cars to make your 8-lane highway necessary is un-Juche. < 1286676817 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then, thanks to the google murder car, it shall be their undoing! < 1286676883 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/enough/ < 1286676941 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's something large and obscure and complex that I can build from source < 1286676955 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: 8-lane? srsly? < 1286676968 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Pyongyang only, but seriously. < 1286676973 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286676989 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286677111 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, because I'm actually using VirtualBox for this... Might as well see how well its 3D support works. < 1286677119 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has 3D support? < 1286677137 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It has fully-functional OpenGL support and experimental Direct3D support. < 1286677153 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WineDirect3D, it's called < 1286677156 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The name scares me greatly. < 1286677163 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Direct3D support, you need to go into safe mode to install. < 1286677168 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doubly scary < 1286677176 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[#4 SIZE:3,041.1MiB/3,396.4MiB(89%) CN:5 SPD:795.6KiBs ETA:07m37s] < 1286677176 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... hm. < 1286677177 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hum de dum < 1286677179 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has to replace the d3d library. < 1286677180 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this better be good < 1286677291 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be *perfectly* fair to all this, I'm going to try something I know actually works tolerably in WINE. < 1286677334 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GO < 1286677336 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally < 1286677341 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: what < 1286677344 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Half-Life 2. < 1286677355 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :half-life 2 works tolerably in wine? < 1286677358 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :noted. < 1286677375 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Steam is slower than hell, but yeah, it works just fine. < 1286677377 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about 1? :P < 1286677388 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Half-Life 1 works 200% perfectly. < 1286677396 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Half-Life 1 X-D < 1286677396 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is to say, better than on Windows) < 1286677397 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try as I might, I cannot think of anything stupider than steam < 1286677398 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a challenge. < 1286677400 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does steam even exist < 1286677405 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: to be fair, WINE sucks shit < 1286677415 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: WINE is fucking incredible. < 1286677419 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you.... need ed to build Go < 1286677440 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: dude, it's from the plan 9 guys < 1286677445 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it even uses the plan 9 c compilers to compile it < 1286677449 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the same toolchain model < 1286677450 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and linker < 1286677454 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes, of course it freaking uses ed < 1286677460 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: even Worms: Armageddon isn't a sure thing with wine < 1286677472 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: ... < 1286677480 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1286677486 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: is this Go the board game, some computer version < 1286677488 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Go the language < 1286677489 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fact that any given program may or may not work under WINE is not a statement against WINE, regardless of how simple or complicated that program is. < 1286677500 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yes it is, since WINE aims for Windows compatibility. < 1286677512 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: doesn't matter, i've given up already < 1286677516 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck this shit < 1286677520 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: oh yeah, requiring ed < 1286677520 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANY GIVEN PROGRAM != lots and lots of programs. < 1286677522 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's so horrible < 1286677527 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ed, the one thing guaranteed to be on any unix system < 1286677532 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how could they possibly use it in their build system < 1286677539 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: that's not ... look n/, < 1286677549 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :look n/, < 1286677550 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1286677557 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind < 1286677565 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please correct your line < 1286677579 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Alise, that's not... look, never mind." < 1286677580 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's not look n/. < 1286677583 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You must admit that. < 1286677700 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA! It actually just downloaded it from one source < 1286677707 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a torrent < 1286677710 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's why it was a bit slow < 1286677711 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1286677779 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: how, pray tell, shall i atone for my double ignorance that Go, the language, is from "the plan 9 guys" and that this means that "of course it freaking uses ed"? < 1286677810 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sacrifices a goat again
< 1286677811 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: You know... of all the things I could say to annoy you, picking on one that I didn't even say angrily probably isn't the best start. < 1286677904 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i should just get used to it < 1286678007 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: haha sweet, PACKET commands aren't working < 1286678011 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when booting pc-bsd in a vm < 1286678014 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAMN YOU PACKET MODE < 1286678075 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"BIOS drive A: is disk0 < 1286678080 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BIOS drive C: is disk1" < 1286678086 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the BIOS have a concept of drive letters? < 1286678098 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I've found that games using OpenGL pretty much "just work". < 1286678122 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "just don't work" < 1286678130 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on your graphics card < 1286678132 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Worms: Armageddon is 2D, and the menu interface is done by drawing a Windows window with buttons and shit behind the rendered UI. < 1286678135 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and text boxes. < 1286678145 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Hooray, crazy shit. < 1286678148 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know this because when it freezes you can see blank text boxes and buttons arranged in just the right shape. < 1286678160 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Surprisingly, for a game released in 1997, it is *still regularly updated*. < 1286678160 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in. < 1286678162 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actual features. < 1286678163 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Polish. < 1286678164 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. < 1286678169 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A proprietary game at that. < 1286678187 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... Crazy. < 1286678189 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But awesome. < 1286678202 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? Because some guy made this cheating software for it and everyone got angry, then he wrote another piece of software with the same name, that *disabled* the cheating software when playing over the 'net, and added some little useful features. < 1286678218 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then the company were like "ok you clearly know your shit, here, have a salary and the source code". < 1286678224 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And... he's still at it, even after all these years. < 1286678225 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's totally awesome. < 1286678254 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can play that game from 1997 at full widescreen resolution, and it's insanely polished. :) < 1286678274 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A few sprites were even updated some years back just to look a little bit nicer while keeping in with the others. < 1286678314 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'99, not '97. Still awesome. < 1286678324 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, no. < 1286678332 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'99 was the last "official" release, rather than "beta". < 1286678339 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still. < 1286678346 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The BIOS does have drive numbers. The BIOS assumes there can be up to 128 floppy drives and up to 128 hard drives. < 1286678348 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, yeah, 1999. < 1286678362 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yeah, the game has been in "beta" ever since ... well, ever since years and years ago. < 1286678369 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So in that community, "beta" means "updated". < 1286678379 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is because the patches were beta because they were experimental. < 1286678386 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then nobody bothered to make them not beta. < 1286678432 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: BTW, it's a great game; highly recommended. < 1286678443 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turn-based artillery with, like, ten cupfuls of ridiculousness. < 1286678448 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've played Worms before. :) < 1286678451 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1286678457 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Ever played online? It's a whole new world. < 1286678461 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1286678464 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, "regular" games are rather rare there; people are awful creative. < 1286678467 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 Team17 < 1286678477 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, one of the most common game is a shopper. < 1286678491 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to get a crate -- they fall every turn -- before attacking. You have to drop the attack from a rope. < 1286678508 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you have to kill the leader (or the second if you're the leader). (Or all but the last player, as a variant.) < 1286678528 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION must have
< 1286678540 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you get things like ropers, with a very limited set of weapons and the same rules as a shopper, but played on a two-island map and with just the right amount of water that you can knock someone in without drowning when you land. (Yeah, that's weird.) < 1286678544 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah, and the turn time is 15 seconds. < 1286678546 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bit frantic. < 1286678548 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: must have what? < 1286678551 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :W:A? < 1286678560 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, it actually doesn't have the colon. Whatever. < 1286678575 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you do mean WA, I'm rather surprised that you know of Team17 but don't own it. < 1286678590 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :God dammit. < 1286678603 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Steam has stopped supporting Win2k. < 1286678614 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sucks Tobe you. < 1286678617 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes indeed, you suck Tobe. < 1286678621 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suck Tobe, you! < 1286678663 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I have never actually acquired a worms game, yet I have played them regularly at others' places < 1286678675 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly because I keep forgetting < 1286678678 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Tobe's place) < 1286678686 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: You can only buy the Sold-Out version now I think. < 1286678692 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't really know if Team17 make more than a penny of that. < 1286678700 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Piracy half-recommended. < 1286678710 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds about right < 1286678728 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure *why* they pay Deadcode and I think CyberShadow now to maintain the game. < 1286678739 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe for fan goodwill. :) < 1286678802 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some corporations list goodwill as assets in their yearly reports for the stock exchange... < 1286678856 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: because they are friggin awesome < 1286678869 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That they are. < 1286678873 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are perhaps the coolest games company ever. < 1286678878 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely up there < 1286678879 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except maybe Introversion. < 1286678891 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worms 3d isn't all that bad either < 1286678902 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, the last update came out 2 years ago... < 1286678922 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is impressive, given that it's a 3d artillery game < 1286678936 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: well. < 1286678941 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: after iterating for that many years < 1286678942 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what more can you do? < 1286678950 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but -- as far as i am aware it is still being developed < 1286678950 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Okay, true. < 1286678955 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: worms 3d is pretty bad but not that bad < 1286678962 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after worms 4 they decided "fuck this 3d bullshit" < 1286678966 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now they only do 2d < 1286678974 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they released a new 2d worms game for pc but it doesn't look all that hot < 1286678993 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[In February 2004, a small group of fans launched a Team17 fansite called Dream17. The company gave Dream17 permission to make their entire Amiga back-catalog of games available as free downloads in both ADF and IPF disk image formats.]] < 1286678995 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: pikhq: ^ < 1286678998 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHO IS THAT AWESOME? < 1286679013 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Our old Amiga games? Sure, you can post all of those. For free." < 1286679030 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: That's pretty dang awesome. < 1286679075 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I lol at how EA handled the old C&C games < 1286679075 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Oh, I found CyberShadow's Worms blog. < 1286679094 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :link me? xD < 1286679101 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.worms2d.info/ < 1286679108 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's actually on my msn list... although i forget why < 1286679109 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Here, have it free. You can download a patch at [dead third-party link]" < 1286679111 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems that WINE works if you just use a different DirectDraw DLL. < 1286679121 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the next patch will have it work out-of-the-box. < 1286679125 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, that < 1286679144 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the people online can be a bit lame < 1286679150 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're v. noob intolerant at least when i played < 1286679165 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, they're working on WINE support. < 1286679173 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :recite the rules to the game (e.g. "afr cba abl" for a shopper (attack from rope, crate before attack and all but last)) or get kicked instantly < 1286679174 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only everyone could be so awesome. < 1286679182 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In other news, our Wine users may be delighted to know that starting with the next Worms Armageddon update, they will no longer need a patched DirectDraw DLL. W:A will run out of the box!" < 1286679183 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1286679194 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only everyone could be so awesome. < 1286679196 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dump.thecybershadow.net/408ac203082e5044bded2e7bdacd84e0/screen0557.png < 1286679200 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG THINGS TO TWEAK < 1286679201 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I LIKE < 1286679221 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Force Wine virtual desktop". < 1286679226 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...why can't everyone have Wine-specific options? :P < 1286679236 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: HAHA: http://dump.thecybershadow.net/a9c47ea3f6ef7937363241e912825274/screenshot.png < 1286679247 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worms World Party is the same as Worms Armageddon except it never got updated and the graphics were cutesy and shit. < 1286679259 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that, right there, is an outright admission that Worms World Party is the shitty version of W:A. < 1286679333 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: HAH < 1286679360 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.worms2d.info/mountain-sheep ;; wat < 1286679365 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which a sheep is magical. < 1286679406 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey they finally added clickable links < 1286679423 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Fun fact: The online WA system is based on *IRC*. < 1286679432 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, really? < 1286679436 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That's why it's #AnythingGoes, etc. They're IRC channels. That's how the chat works. There's even a help bot. < 1286679437 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: BUT < 1286679440 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't get too excited. < 1286679445 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They really hate it when you connect with an IRC client. < 1286679447 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, well, did. < 1286679452 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they probably care less nowadays. < 1286679454 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But still... < 1286679457 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You gotta admire that decision. < 1286679466 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"So, we have rooms that people can chat in... okay, let's just use IRC." < 1286679475 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, IRC is a significantly saner choice < 1286679480 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't reinvent the wheel < 1286679497 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It even has an MOTD :) < 1286679511 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and there has been a few third-party servers released over the years, I dunno if any ones are public/current. < 1286679522 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: The login-system -- which no longer requires a password unlike the old days -- is inexplicably based on HTML. < 1286679525 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Beautiful. < 1286679535 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a list of Wormnet servers in your game installation as an HTML file, which the game displays customly. < 1286679543 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You click them, and it goes to an HTML login page on the server, which is custom-processed somehow. < 1286679550 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oo < 1286679557 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can actually edit the server list -- but getting it to actually connect to something else is a chore. < 1286679562 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I got some server software working once. < 1286679572 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But still, that's a dual IRC/HTTP/WormNet server you have to have there. < 1286679577 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not simple! < 1286679603 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in all honesty, I'd probably just implement most of the client protocol over DCC for something like Worms < 1286679606 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tasvideos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5736 tool-assisted speedrun of a rope race level < 1286679613 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: err, latency is a real problem < 1286679618 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the actual game has to be super-optimised < 1286679624 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, really? < 1286679624 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because a lot of people with suboptimal net connections play it < 1286679628 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even one or two dialuppers < 1286679630 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, fair < 1286679633 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: you see them moving while their turn is giong < 1286679634 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*going < 1286679637 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have chat at the same time < 1286679641 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah < 1286679647 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like it just shows you what they do after the fact < 1286679650 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you see what they see < 1286679690 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION watches http://lex.clansfx.co.uk/worms/movies/Lex%20-%20TAS%20of%20Pi%27s%20Mission%20Impossible%202%20rope%20race%20-%2021.86%20sec%20-%20no-death%20ending.x264.avi
< 1286679733 0 :Rugxulo!~chatzilla@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286679744 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg < 1286679746 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :watch that video now < 1286679748 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is hilarious < 1286679794 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice. < 1286679798 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: hey, Lex is in Waterloo too! < 1286679802 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least as of 2007-07 < 1286679809 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe he goes to your uni :) < 1286679861 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1286679902 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: people. < 1286679930 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : entrant in my Most Xenophobic Comment of the Year award < 1286680010 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I just think Unicode is a bit overrated, that's all < 1286680020 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think everything invented post-1990 is overrated < 1286680029 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much! < 1286680056 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, make that 1993 and you're correct ;-) < 1286680080 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: unlikely but possible? < 1286680097 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: can you get a full name? < 1286680105 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: "Lex, the worms guy" < 1286680112 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i uh, i did talk to him at one point < 1286680117 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about full name though :D < 1286680127 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: How's Unicode overrated? < 1286680147 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I could check if he's (or if someone of the same name is, anyway) at the uni with a full name < 1286680148 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make that Unicode support is overrated < 1286680158 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hard to do, anyways < 1286680165 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for questionable benefit (in some situations) < 1286680181 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How's Unicode support overrated? < 1286680195 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: because we're AMERICAN! < 1286680201 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we don't need any other languages! < 1286680207 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my philosophy is more minimalist than "add everything and the kitchen sink and deprecate everything every 2 years" < 1286680211 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: can't you just search for everyone named Lex/Alex :D < 1286680219 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I suppose I could try < 1286680234 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: yes, because everyone who speaks a non-English language should be ignored for your silly philosophy designed solely so that you can claim everything modern is bloated < 1286680253 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, and I didn't say that < 1286680256 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;-) < 1286680259 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: too many higts < 1286680263 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just don't like modern OSes and all their crap < 1286680264 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hits < 1286680286 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Location < 1286680286 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guelph, Ontario < 1286680292 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: never mind. < 1286680299 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: Are you aware what the alternative to Unicode (or something similar) is? < 1286680303 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: he may have graduated. < 1286680316 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Date of Birth < 1286680316 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :October 26, 1987 (22) < 1286680335 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286680336 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't say NLS / i18n / etc. is bad, just sometimes overkill and bloated and hard to implement and .... < 1286680346 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll tell you. It's hundreds of entirely different and inherently incompatible character encodings. < 1286680380 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode is the best thing to happen to character encodings since the invention of the letter < 1286680414 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, wasn't Unicode invented in like 1993? (so maybe it's not so bad after all, heh) < 1286680424 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the bloat (yes, *bloat*) necessary to be able to parse *each and every one of them* everywhere that more than one encoding is needed. < 1286680427 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: 1991. < 1286680446 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and keep in mind that there's generally more than one encoding per language!) < 1286680459 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I'm not quite the rube you think I am (though close enough!) < 1286680476 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just saying, some things don't need to be internationalized < 1286680483 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have some problems with Unicode also, but I can think of a different way to make the code supporting all language and other things, too. One thing is to make a code point number encode all properties necessary to typeset/parse a character < 1286680522 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, most programs still don't have NLS text for their interfaces (e.g. GNU Emacs) < 1286680524 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another way is that it includes variation mode and various other modes, too. < 1286680552 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :standards are good ... to a point, but sometimes they are overkill or badly designed or heavily ignored or whatever < 1286680570 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: Yes I think in many cases that is < 1286680598 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For English, there's ASCII, ISO 8859-1, Windows-1252, EBCDIC, Mac OS Roman, ANSEL. < 1286680619 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and code page 437. < 1286680637 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, some people never supported all the 8859-x ones at all, only Latin-1 (at best) despite them being designed at the same time (at least the first four) < 1286680647 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1986, IIRC < 1286680657 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's just lame, so much for standards ... the fact is nobody cares :-( < 1286680666 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you'd need to handle 7 different character encodings *just to handle arbitrary English text*. < 1286680683 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1286680693 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I admit there's quite a lot of incompatible data out there < 1286680713 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And this is for a relatively simple set of glyphs. < 1286680735 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It gets even more horrifying if you look into CJK. < 1286680784 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may sound good to support every language under the sun, but that gets tedious (and expensive) < 1286680843 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :face it, some languages are more equal than others :-( < 1286680874 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's trivial to make it possible to *deal with text* in every language under the sun. < 1286680882 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just implement Unicode. < 1286680900 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how many glyphs, ten thousand?? < 1286680926 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode is UTF-8 < 1286680935 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION deep troll
< 1286680943 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-8 is one way of encoding Unicode characters < 1286680950 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other way is UTF-16 < 1286680960 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or UTF-32 (Emacs??) < 1286681039 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just hate modern computers, they're so horribly inefficient < 1286681059 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shouldn't blame Unicode for that, but it hasn't helped! < 1286681060 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are plenty of ways. < 1286681062 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JIS X 0201, JIS X 0208, JIS X 0212, JIS X 0213, Shift-JIS, code page 932, ISO-2022-JP, EUC-JP. < 1286681072 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-8, UCS-1, UTF-16, UCS-2, UTF-32 and UCS-4 are some of them. < 1286681073 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All this *just for Japanese text*. < 1286681077 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of those may be equivalent :P < 1286681084 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, UTF-16-LE is different from UTF-16-BE. < 1286681085 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same for -32 < 1286681092 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And here's the thing. You need to implement *all of them* for a Japanese localisation. < 1286681102 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, UTF-99, which I just made up. < 1286681125 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, UTF-9 and UTF-18, which are real things. < 1286681132 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes yes. Japanese sucks. And everybody who speaks it (through tar-filled lungs) is terrible. WE KNOW! < 1286681145 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and UTF-7, right? < 1286681150 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Written Chinese is worse. < 1286681175 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"through tar-filled lungs"? I suddenly suspect there are whole layers of meaning here that I'm not catching < 1286681191 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: All Japanese men smoke. ALL OF THEM. < 1286681194 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hong Kong, Taiwan, and PRC all defined their own completely different standards, you see. < 1286681197 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: He's right. < 1286681204 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in favor of whatever works, just some things work so badly / slowly / or not at all !!!! < 1286681225 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's interesting. It never occurred to me before. But it's probably true. < 1286681228 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hong Kong is part of PRC now (but I digress...) < 1286681237 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: They still do their own standards. < 1286681248 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's owned by the PRC, but it's politically mostly-distinct for the time being. < 1286681254 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taiwan is too (according to PRC) but they disagree < 1286681263 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :taiwan is not owned by the prc < 1286681270 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any sense but according to the prc's fantasy world < 1286681278 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: Unicode is the *only thing* that works for handling international text, and just about the only thing that works for single-language text. < 1286681283 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My Neighbors the Yamadas < 1286681295 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :single-language? uh ... heh < 1286681308 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(English could get away without it if we could *just agree on ASCII*. But no, have to expand the higher 7 bits) < 1286681308 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: And yet, it is the official policy of any country wanting to do trade with China (e.g. us) that Taiwan IS owned by the PRC. < 1286681332 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: The official policy of the US is that Taiwan both IS and ISNT owned by the PRC. < 1286681361 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: We both don't recognise Taiwan as a seperate country and legally mandate that they are a seperate country. < 1286681370 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweet :P < 1286681398 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and we are legally obligated to supply them with as many arms as they request. < 1286681453 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quantum mechanics meets foreign policy < 1286681457 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: Are you familiar with mojibake (文字化�)? < 1286681462 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if Taiwan actually went to war with China, there is no question that we would take Taiwan's side. < 1286681464 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1286681502 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's what happens when text in one character encoding gets interpreted as a different encoding. < 1286681538 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: PLEASE tell me the name comes from something simple interpreted in the wrong encoding? < 1286681563 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, Esperanto? (yeah, I knew you'd hate that) ... just saying, Unicode is fine in moderately reasonable doses ;-) < 1286681563 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The *only* languages that has this end up in even slightly readable text are the ones using the Roman alphabet, because most encodings are a superset of ASCII. < 1286681567 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Nope. < 1286681583 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: D'awwwww :( < 1286681590 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: We are legally obligated to take Taiwan's side. < 1286681603 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: "Changed characters", BTW. < 1286681613 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: We're legally obligated to respect the land claims of Native Americans. < 1286681616 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we still have troops in dang Korea, for freak's sake!!! it's been 60 years!!! < 1286681623 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still a war < 1286681636 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, those krazy korean gov'ts < 1286681652 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: Yeah, we are still at war with North Korea. So... Yeah. < 1286681666 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: wasn't it ended recently < 1286681670 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we who? U.S.? < 1286681688 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all a formality < 1286681689 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :America was never officially at war with N. Korea was it? It was a UN police action, so there was no formal declaration of war from us? Or is that a total lie? < 1286681691 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're not really at war < 1286681701 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU DON'T SAY < 1286681716 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1950-3 was the Korean War, very bloody, U.S. vs. Chinese??? < 1286681724 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Nope. < 1286681747 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: In 1953, the *cease fire* was signed. < 1286681798 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: "We" being the United Nations. < 1286681837 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Under the command of the USA. < 1286681910 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, apparently the war is de jure between the South and the North, with the US in command of the South. < 1286681955 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still not over. < 1286682546 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know any programming languages from south korea. < 1286682552 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :know of. < 1286682575 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's not true. < 1286682587 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only programming language from south korea i know of, is an esolang. < 1286682909 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a guy who made a Han-capable Forth < 1286682918 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hForth perhaps (I forget) < 1286682926 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, I've heard of that Korean esolang, barely < 1286682949 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hForth ran in DOS, no less ;-) < 1286682986 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I dunno, computers got too complicated somewhere along the way, now nobody can barely use them they're so confusing and inefficient < 1286683018 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all because pikhq had to have his silly Unicode ;-) j/k < 1286683127 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, just because I demand Unicode doesn't mean I want complexity. < 1286683135 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, it was a joke < 1286683150 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't hate Unicode, really, and I'm no xenophobe :-P < 1286683157 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still think DOS was a decent OS, for instance. :P < 1286683180 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Limited, to be sure, but there's a certain charm to it as well. < 1286683192 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :extremely minimal, upgraded in very small pieces, modular (though not really portable) < 1286683212 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, when the IBM PC 5150 only came with 16 kb of RAM (!), what else could you run??? < 1286683219 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CPM. < 1286683220 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1286683228 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CP/M-86 wasn't out yet < 1286683234 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and was way more expensive < 1286683251 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beside the point. < 1286683306 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowadays you need at least 200 kb free just to run DOS (bloat!!!) ;-)) < 1286683404 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just bugs me when people act like you can't even edit a text file without 600 MB of RAM < 1286683422 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, there are a few different Unicode editors for DOS (of varying abilities) < 1286683771 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bnobody acts like that < 1286683773 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strawman fallacy < 1286683834 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes they do < 1286683985 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no they do not < 1286684065 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways, gotta reboot < 1286684069 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.10/20100914125854] < 1286684807 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to see more languages like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgoPl35n_AY < 1286684812 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't suppose i will < 1286685073 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286685090 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286685165 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1286685579 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (what is it about BSDs that attracts drama, btw?) <-- it's right there in the name. bondage, sadomasochism and drama. < 1286685847 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :goodnight < 1286685847 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1286685849 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1286686308 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you keep some unusual hours < 1286686325 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1286687646 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : the only programming language from south korea i know of, is an esolang. < 1286687659 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we _do_ have a regular from there, you know < 1286687670 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/User:Tokigun < 1286687718 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY THATS CLEARLY NOT SOUTH KOREAN. ONLY AMERICA HAS INTERNET < 1286687743 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm. Wait. lifthrasiir is from South Korea? < 1286687754 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/whois says so < 1286687764 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: Never realised. < 1286687788 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: Incidentally, what's the etymology of lifthrasiir and/or tokigun? < 1286687801 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the esotope project, too < 1286687812 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: he's been idle for 11 days so don't expect _too_ quick an answer < 1286687813 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had not realized. < 1286687847 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yeah, well, I'm patient. < 1286687997 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TASes are so ridiculous < 1286688076 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Robot. Cars.; < 1286688083 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google has a fleet of robot cars. < 1286688099 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we discuessed this already < 1286688104 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but whoa. < 1286688121 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION finds User:Puzzlet Chung, User:SteloKim, User:Tokigun and User:Gs30ng
< 1286688240 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the languages Aheui, Udage and Versert. < 1286688500 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Versert link was broken for me though :( < 1286688668 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mearie.org/projects/versert/ works < 1286688805 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION edits wiki
< 1286688951 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i presume that might end up in korean for some people < 1286688959 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they probably won't complain :D < 1286688962 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's unclear if the registers have unbounded space or not < 1286688963 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is vital < 1286688985 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it complained to me about not having a norwegian version) < 1286689010 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it *actually doing language negotiation*? < 1286689025 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonderful. < 1286689061 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though, the English sucks. < 1286689070 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: sssh ;D < 1286689101 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's obviously human-written English, though. Which helps a lot. < 1286689120 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hell of a lot easier to read through grammar mistakes than through the sheer randomness that is machine translation. < 1286689264 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no norweigian for YOU, oerjan! < 1286689283 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only Swedish Chef! < 1286689290 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Faens utlendinger som ikke kan snakke ordentlig! < 1286689329 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something about utlanning? < 1286689331 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i liked the vlaah-python page, only available in Hangul. Of course, the Python example code is englishish. So you can try to figure out what the package provides, sort of! < 1286689346 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: utlanning isn't a word < 1286689366 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Is in English. < 1286689367 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286689373 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1286689393 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Granted, mostly in the context of the Ender's Game series, by Orson Scott Card, but still. < 1286689428 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Strangers of one's own species & culture. < 1286689435 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. it's obviously from swedish utlänning. < 1286689443 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1286689497 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case yeah, that's a cognate to what i wrote. < 1286689507 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Likewise with framling, varelse, and djur. < 1286689549 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :norwegian would be fremmed, vesen, and dyr. < 1286689578 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i think. < 1286689603 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Literally, "stranger", "being", and "animal". < 1286689617 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1286689675 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Referring to a stranger of one's own species but different culture, an intelligent species with which communication is impossible, and monsters, respectively. < 1286689712 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ramen, coming from who-knows-where, refers to another intelligence species with which communication & peaceful coexistence is possible.) < 1286689781 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not raman? that's what showed up in the google hits for utlanning < 1286689802 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Raman might be singular, hell if I know. < 1286689831 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :English is such a whore when it comes to vocabulary. < 1286690176 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trebly so for made-up vocabulary < 1286690198 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and yes, I did just say that so I could use 'trebly' in a sentence) < 1286690218 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Vejn < 1286690255 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm there is an adjective "rå", meaning raw. maybe it's a composition... < 1286690264 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: means nothing to me < 1286690294 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: "Win". < 1286690295 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that the last part is pluralized like man/men < 1286690696 0 :antivigilante!~antivigil@174-26-89-10.phnx.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286690857 0 :antivigilante!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1286691046 0 :antivigilante!~antivigil@174-26-89-10.phnx.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286691056 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@121-74-66-169.telstraclear.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286691056 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1286691056 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1286691256 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The BBC has estabilished a new guideline for science reporting. < 1286691274 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All science news stories must now link to the paper in question. < 1286691608 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it because of that satyrical article < 1286692090 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION back
< 1286692301 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: lifthrasiir comes from Lífþrasir; tokigun roughly translates to Mr. Rabbit ("Toki" + "-gun"). I have chosen them to simply avoid duplicates. < 1286692323 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and not using arbitrary numbers) < 1286692427 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: Meaning of Lífþrasir? < 1286692432 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, they still can report total garbage papers that shouldn't have been published (due to severe shortcomings) as gospel... < 1286692443 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%ADf_and_L%C3%ADf%C3%BErasir < 1286692451 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :norse myth < 1286692454 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More unfortunately, what if they can't link the journal because it isn't available online? < 1286692455 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup < 1286692461 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaah. < 1286692478 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: DOI? < 1286692484 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly he's aiming to be the one to survive 2012, here < 1286692487 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOI? < 1286692512 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION finds it somewhat curious that Korean also has honorific suffixes...
< 1286692529 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Digital object identifier. Mainly used for unique identification of documents, like papers. < 1286692540 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1286692549 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a link! < 1286692550 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That IS headache even for native speakers. < 1286692558 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like papers that mix up animal fats and techno fats... All the relevant scientists should know better not to do that kind of "research". < 1286692564 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i've read that korean grammar parallels japanese in many ways < 1286692581 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: From what I've seen of Korean grammar, it's fucking uncanny. < 1286692581 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: That's shame, but that would be the best approximation to links... < 1286692616 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which *suggests* to me that Korean & Japonic are actually related languages. < 1286692624 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well Language families. < 1286692633 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: or they might have had a strong sprachbund < 1286692655 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Damned strong sprachbund. < 1286692682 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1286692688 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... And would have to have been rather long ago... < 1286692703 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The apparently-cognate grammar features have been in both languages at least as long as they've been written. < 1286692734 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i read at one time that there are two languages in india in neigboring village or so that have exactly parallel grammars, but one is dravidian and the other indo-aryan < 1286692741 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*villages < 1286692777 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well that last part should also be considered vague) < 1286692796 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: I can imagine the honorifics are a headache. Sure are in Japanese. < 1286692805 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: but are the endings _phonetically_ similar? < 1286692845 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION didn't have that impression, although he hasn't actually _seen_ examples
< 1286693135 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well, there are a number of proposed cognates... < 1286693195 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Please to quit. < 1286693333 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, hard to demonstrate without a time machine. < 1286693376 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the proposed Altaic cognates are merely *plausible*...) < 1286693504 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and it's hard to just go out and point out random cognates in the two languages *now* because there's so much borrowing from Chinese that fully half of the vocabulary is cognate now. < 1286693553 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sf idea: a korean/japanese researcher far in the future takes a time machine back to japan/korea to settle the matter. naturally he ends up founding the language he goes to investigate - a thousands of years descendant of the other < 1286693562 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*back to ancient < 1286693573 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be pretty great. < 1286693657 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually all the chinese loans might mess up that theory a bit... < 1286693710 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe have a competing researcher from the other country for nice time-loop ness < 1286694190 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, except the Chinese loans are one of the best documented things in linguistics. < 1286694255 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The words composed from originally-Chinese morphemes are freaking called 漢語 [kango] (Chinese words) in Japanese. < 1286694451 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean they would mess up the time travel theory :D < 1286694463 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1286696052 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286696222 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286696780 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Welcome honored guest. I got the key you want! would you like onderves. of Yourself < 1286697044 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286697524 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Later < 1286697599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1286697600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1286698122 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i have this theory that japanese comes from the mongolian empire somehow < 1286698188 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :japanese is syntactically very similar to hungarian and finnish < 1286698216 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you think about the expansion of the mongolian empire, that's where the troops have or would have stopped if they started in mongolia < 1286698282 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that went on for many years, certainly long enough to teach the locals how to write and to start talking with them (mongolians were not xenophobic, they cooperated with the skilled workers of the nations they were trying to conquer in fact) < 1286699256 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1286699799 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gee. < 1286699808 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VSTi's are better than SoundFonts. < 1286699813 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In retrospect, duh. < 1286699892 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1286700289 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/tmp/GRegor-op11-StringQuartet-vst-2010-10-10.ogg Observe how my op. 11 string quartet becomes almost tolerable when played through a (free!) VSTi! < 1286700313 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not as good as it would be on real instruments, but an enormous improvement from anything else I've been able to do thusfar! < 1286701115 0 :tombom!~tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1286701808 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-246-22.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1286704569 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy 42 day! < 1286704880 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only in 10 minutes < 1286704899 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it'll be 10/10/10 10:10:10 !!! < 1286704910 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O < 1286704911 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTC!!!!!! < 1286704975 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286705000 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286705059 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in fact i had an alarm clock beep me up at the most important second of my life < 1286705067 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol! < 1286705069 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i was up already but anyway < 1286705072 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION pounces oklopol
< 1286705076 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear < 1286705089 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay kebab place opened < 1286705102 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION eats oklopol's kebab
< 1286705108 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1286705114 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well aren't you being mean < 1286705118 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that kebab ;o < 1286705123 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...oh! < 1286705127 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes! < 1286705137 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one made of lamb meat and yogurt sauce and pita! < 1286705145 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :om nom nom < 1286705150 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's okay i can just buy two < 1286705179 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1286705239 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good morning, sleep warning. < 1286705256 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that was stupid < 1286705260 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have to take a dump -> < 1286705543 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286705633 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1286705635 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gmt is now utc+1 < 1286705640 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so utc is in one hour < 1286705749 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Waitwhat? < 1286705829 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BST is definitely still in effect. < 1286705837 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's what you meant. < 1286706162 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu 10.10 Maverick Meerkat is released today (10/10/10) to get "the perfect 10" < 1286706164 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1286706842 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, god. < 1286706854 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I bother doing a full dist upgrade today? < 1286707920 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1286708409 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286708635 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1286708637 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should < 1286708652 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: happy 10/10/10 10:10:10.10101010101010101010.. < 1286708653 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1286708678 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: heh < 1286708683 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was aware that time was coming up < 1286708683 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in 7 minutes < 1286708685 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make a wish < 1286708688 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for me it isn't < 1286708690 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in UTC+1 < 1286708698 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obv it's about UTC < 1286708706 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm in UTC+2 < 1286709440 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :utc+2 ftw! < 1286709576 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, North Korea just got its own TLD < 1286709587 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that they actually run themselves, rather than delegating to the Chinese < 1286709775 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286710021 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286710703 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool, i have never noticed that ubuntu has someplan9 packages < 1286710707 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some plan9 packages < 1286710724 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9wm is an X window manager which attempts to emulate the Plan 9 window < 1286710724 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :manager 8-1/2 as far as possible within the constraints imposed by X. < 1286710733 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9base is a port of following original Plan 9 userland tools to Unix: < 1286710733 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awk, basename, bc, cat, cleanname, date, dc, echo, grep, mk, rc, sed, seq, < 1286710733 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleep, sort, tee, test, touch, tr, uniq, and yacc. < 1286711682 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, look. The Software Centre has started offering software to buy. < 1286711731 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if this counts as shark-jumpery. < 1286712515 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure it counts, since they said they're going to when they introduced the Software Centre. < 1286712713 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, was that shark-jumpery? < 1286712723 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After all, they make all kinds of rhetoric about freedom. < 1286713061 0 :Wamanuz!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286713120 0 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286713121 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you see, you are free to not buy stuff. (They'll be introducing a limit of minimum monthly purchases in 2012; if you buy less than that, it'll start to disable features like 3D acceleration one by one.) < 1286713125 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Disclaimer: not true.) < 1286713683 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: if they did do that, someone would just patch it out < 1286713694 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they probably wouldn't try, so as to not spoil their reputation < 1286713720 0 :Wamanuz!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286713856 0 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286713901 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1286713910 0 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-103.vpn.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1286714887 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :// In C there is no boolean type; a condition is true if < 1286714893 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :// it equals 1 and is false otherwise. < 1286714902 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :// For clarity, we can define some preprocessor aliases. < 1286714906 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define TRUE 1 < 1286714908 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define FALSE 0 < 1286714914 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... < 1286714931 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm teaching a bit of C as well as Java, now; if this is what I have to work from, it could be "interesting"...) < 1286715160 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so apparently all discrete math is done in CS in most unis, so people who do research on the topological aspects of cellular automata will get to teach a bit of java as well < 1286715189 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm certainly lucky to live in this particular university < 1286715193 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286715228 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286715229 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That sort of thing is just asking for someone to fail all "if (isalpha(c) == TRUE)"-like. < 1286715238 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree < 1286715245 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and will berate the lecturer at the next chance I get < 1286715272 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(are the ctype.h functions the only standard library ones that can return booleans that aren't 0/1?) < 1286715411 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: isfinite() and isinf() are defined to return "a nonzero value". < 1286715423 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And isnan/isnormal/signbit too. < 1286715426 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good to know < 1286715443 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably, that's in case they're implemented with bit-twiddling on the float value interpreted as an int < 1286715447 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a plausible way to do it on some platforms < 1286715492 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also: "The raise function returns zero if successful, nonzero if unsuccessful." < 1286715512 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's not very "boolean" anyway. < 1286715514 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RAISE? < 1286715516 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*raise < 1286715522 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing that sends a signal. < 1286715528 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1286715576 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286715798 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who here eats muesli? < 1286715818 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would if someone bought them < 1286715837 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have found the ultimate muesli fruit < 1286715872 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1286715908 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's not that interesting though < 1286715931 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1286716124 0 :Wamanuz!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286716175 0 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286718792 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there some deep and meaningful connection between the harmonic numbers and ln? < 1286718831 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1286718836 0 :oklopol!~oklopol@xdsl-83-150-123-242.nebulazone.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1286719360 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1286719364 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the riemann zeta function < 1286719481 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the limit of n\rightarrow \infty, the generalized harmonic number converges to the Riemann zeta function < 1286719481 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \lim_{n\rightarrow \infty} H_{n,m} = \zeta(m). < 1286719508 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :H_n = H_n,1 of course < 1286719744 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And where does ln fit in? < 1286720001 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's very simple < 1286720041 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\Zeta' (0, 1+a) = \Zeta' (0, a) + ln a < 1286720343 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i have finally found a media player which is cooler than deadbeef < 1286720346 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is aqualung < 1286720736 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1286720767 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when a WPA2 PSK authentication happens, one side sents out the salted hash of the key, and the other side computes their own version, and checks the hashes for equality, yes? < 1286721056 0 :antivigilante!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1286721351 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assumed the PSK mode doesn't really do any authentication exchanges, it just derives the main CCMP encryption key from the passphrase. There's a MAC in the packet anyway, so wrong-key packets get discarded. But that was completely a guess, I've never looked into how it works. < 1286721725 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1286721874 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:09:48 japanese is syntactically very similar to hungarian and finnish < 1286721878 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:10:16 if you think about the expansion of the mongolian empire, that's where the troops have or would have stopped if they started in mongolia < 1286721898 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately the timing is _severely_ off for that theory. < 1286721969 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, any relation between hungarian/finnish (uralic languages) and japanese predates the mongol empire (1200's) by thousands of years. < 1286722045 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw the uralic languages are one of the _best_ attested language families, iirc it was the first to be discovered. < 1286722190 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also both finnish and hungarian have been seriously europeanized. in fact just today i saw hungarian listed as the one non-indoeuropean language in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Average_European < 1286722264 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(finnish isn't quite as affected - it has no articles for one thing, although neither does some other eastern european languages such as russian and polish.) < 1286722321 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however one europeanization i recall that finnish has but not hungarian is adjective/noun agreement < 1286722368 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there might be others i just don't know about) < 1286722484 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: oh and one even more damning fact: japan was never conquered by the mongol empire :D < 1286722524 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually i don't think the finns were either, not sure about the hungarians) < 1286722548 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the finns were already busy being conquered by the swedes) < 1286722562 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's adjective/noun agreement? < 1286722584 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: case and number, iirc in finnish < 1286722593 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1286722617 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course other languages have gender as well / instead, and norwegian and swedish have definiteness < 1286722655 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while in hungarian adjectives are not inflected for case or number unless they're used alone < 1286722679 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about estonian? < 1286722681 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should know < 1286722681 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact even _nouns_ aren't inflected for number if there is an actual number word before them < 1286722692 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know about estonian < 1286722698 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should < 1286722714 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty close to finnish but i don < 1286722750 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heheheheh you accidentally < 1286722751 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'t know if it has agreement, given that that was borrowed afaiu from other european languages < 1286722841 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" novay" oh because it sounds a bit like nivat < 1286722865 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as for verb/noun agreement, hungarian has _more_ of that than either finnish or the others ... but basque has even more i've read) < 1286722912 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in hungarian in addition to person/number agreement with the subject there is also definiteness agreement with the _object_) < 1286722925 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: took you long enough ;D < 1286723029 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" you've hallucinated?" " are you still in that institution thing" <<< my train of thought may be embarrassingly obvious :D < 1286723038 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oh so maybe he really was crazy!" < 1286723051 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(disclaimer: i don't remember what my train of thought was) < 1286723071 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably ran off the tracks, crashed and exploded < 1286723190 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is funny < 1286723206 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: did you play piano as a kid < 1286723251 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall there were two attempts to teach it to me < 1286723281 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but did your parents send you to take piano lessons < 1286723283 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, the complete lack of a piano in our home probably did not help < 1286723295 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or like your cousin tried to teach you something < 1286723301 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay < 1286723315 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it makes sense < 1286723338 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it was lessons, somewhat < 1286723370 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i got started on either Madeleine of Für Elise, not quite sure which is which < 1286723370 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i didn't expect any kind of dedication, although maybe more than 2 lessons < 1286723381 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it was one each time < 1286723382 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fur elise is 767672530 < 1286723401 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno madeleine by name < 1286723432 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's chromatic scale, e eb e eb e h d c a on the retarded scale < 1286723438 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the teachers was the neighboring kid. he went on to a career as a musician, as did his brother < 1286723498 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you lived in a small neighborhood < 1286723522 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that makes sense, have you lived in trondheim all your life < 1286723527 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um no < 1286723528 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whateverheim < 1286723550 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i come from a small town by the name of Sandnessjøen < 1286723589 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you move to trondheim with your parents or later on by yourself < 1286723595 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what color underwear do you prefer < 1286723603 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i moved to trondheim to start university < 1286723614 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but alone? < 1286723619 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my parents never moved < 1286723620 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that much was obvious < 1286723622 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1286723635 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's all < 1286723639 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOR NOW < 1286723651 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well apart from my dad moving house within the town < 1286723723 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... are your parents divorced? < 1286723733 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not very that was ally < 1286723739 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soprry < 1286723751 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sorry < 1286723757 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it was probably adeline not madeleine < 1286723758 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess i'm not completely sopr yet huh?!? < 1286723784 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey you were ordered to stop pretending! < 1286723790 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :divorced when i was 10 < 1286723812 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1286723813 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1286723831 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't see that coming < 1286723856 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1286723882 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION didn't know adeline was that new, thought it was something classic
< 1286723916 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uk2q1dP_t8 ? < 1286723962 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here? i have something to say to you. ou realy wanna make feels people, the begenning it have to be slow and feel what are you playing. i know that it beautiful how you played but you need feelings. < 1286723977 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1286723983 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that was it) < 1286723984 0 :nooga!~nooga@86-63-119-166.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1286723998 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;f < 1286724021 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: do you wanna make feels people? < 1286724031 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i'm starting to think you really _are_ drunk < 1286724043 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286724120 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've had this tiny hangoverlet all day, but the only thing i was gonna do today was referee this paper and that tiny bit of not being at my 100%est makes that impossible < 1286724124 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i've just been staring at this computer < 1286724147 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my point being: i referee papers now, isn't that just so cool < 1286724159 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't know hangoverlets gave you atrocious spelling < 1286724184 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where did i fail at spelling? < 1286724186 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1286724191 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that youtube comment? < 1286724198 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it was a paste? :D < 1286724198 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a youtube comment, actually < 1286724209 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that makes more sense then :D < 1286724222 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would have to be pretty drunk to tell someone they play well but lack FEELING < 1286724241 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you bash the right keys at the right time, you're playing perfectly < 1286724277 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i think there is more to it than just timing < 1286724301 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, all notes must be bashed at the same force < 1286724303 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maximal force < 1286724319 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...TOO MUCH FEELING < 1286724332 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: whaaa? < 1286724343 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hangoverlet :D < 1286724360 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: it's a perfectly cromulent word < 1286724367 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cromulent :D < 1286724387 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-let is an all-purpose diminutive suffix < 1286724401 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if nooga is failing at memes there
< 1286724407 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... and cromulent itself is probably *the* most cromulent word there is < 1286724426 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: especially in this situation < 1286724442 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1286724454 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't know that < 1286724485 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well now you've been embiggened < 1286724486 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i've always wanted to know is whether memes have always existed < 1286724516 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hasn't even seen that episode
< 1286724535 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1286724537 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoosh < 1286724548 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but absorbing memes from the internet, yessir < 1286724549 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<- whoosh here < 1286724569 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<- bad case of the whooshs < 1286724577 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh < 1286724596 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_the_Iconoclast < 1286724670 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that's from simpsons :D < 1286724684 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was xkcd :D < 1286724741 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" but absorbing memes from the internet, yessir" <<< you think even internet memes have always existed? < 1286724746 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a bit radical imo < 1286724845 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where did i say that < 1286724861 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you were referring to oh okaty < 1286724864 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okaty tokayt < 1286724878 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i knew i misunderstood, but didn't feel like thinking so i asked < 1286724893 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah thinking is _so_ last millennium < 1286724931 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's so last interval between two non-primitive words < 1286724955 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1286724968 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wem < 1286724970 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*erm < 1286724975 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard to explain, surely you see what i mean < 1286725012 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hint: what's special about today) < 1286725033 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for whether memes have always existed, i recall someone pointing out how much of shakespeare's work consists of long forgotten inside jokes < 1286725057 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or forgotten by everyone not a shakespeare scholar, anyway < 1286725090 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes yes but did you get me < 1286725170 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for special about today i'm well-prepared, as the VG paper had an article about kids with their 10th birthday today < 1286725186 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for everybody's convenience, w^+ is primitive if there is no u in A^+ and n > 1 such that w = u^n < 1286725189 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1286725200 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*... w \in A^+ is primitive ... < 1286725229 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and vg is...? < 1286725246 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, that out-pointing was by Randall Munroe. < 1286725247 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :second largest norwegian newspaper < 1286725249 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q.E.D. < 1286725251 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1286725266 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ah. < 1286725302 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He phrased it as "hey, I've read annotated Shakespeare look how insightful I am." < 1286725327 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...haters gonna hate ;D < 1286725347 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's just that that one really hit a nerve... < 1286725384 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's annotated shakespeare < 1286725400 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a voiceover < 1286725431 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps he was exumed and used as writing paper? < 1286725442 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe, maybe < 1286725449 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats oklopol and olsner -----###
< 1286725454 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1286725476 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, *exhumed < 1286725505 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from latin humus, meaning iirc soil < 1286725511 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because no one's still acknowledged my joke, 101010101010 = (10)^6, which is not primitive < 1286725632 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well just two more years until this stops < 1286725679 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a non-primitive second next year < 1286725688 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :101011101011 < 1286725707 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but clearly (?) no other one this year < 1286725732 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every non-primitive second must have a period of 6 < 1286725736 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what does primitive word mean? < 1286725740 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just defined it < 1286725757 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for everybody's convenience, w \in A^+ is primitive if there is no u \in A^+ and n > 1 such that w = u^n < 1286725773 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: erm why not 4 < 1286725776 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is what combinatorics of words people think of as the "primes" < 1286725782 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1286725784 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you got me < 1286725791 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1286725811 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably that notation should be biggest to smallest and not a random order like the one that's used in english < 1286725836 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the obvious one next year is of course 111111111111 < 1286725852 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah and < 1286725862 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :101011101011 is tomorrow :D < 1286725874 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't remember days and months change during a year < 1286725899 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol is funny < 1286725994 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well from 2024 on there will be fewer non-primitive seconds < 1286725995 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there should be a trivial reason for why 101010101010 is the only one today < 1286726017 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean in general < 1286726053 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the period must divide either 4 or 6 < 1286726063 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and both give the same continuation of 101010 < 1286726082 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it true that if w = uv, |u| = |v|, then if w is not primitive, u = v < 1286726089 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1286726096 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc not... < 1286726133 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like for instance 101010 < 1286726163 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway just one choice for v < 1286726176 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1286726188 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :101110 can be continued in two ways < 1286726198 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1286726203 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed it can < 1286726223 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one with period 4, one with period 6 < 1286726223 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :smallest example i think < 1286726230 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1286726235 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :121 < 1286726240 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*010 < 1286726247 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.99.56 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286726252 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i guess you wanted it for our case) < 1286726262 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moon, boom, go! < 1286726264 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: omg hi < 1286726266 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you came back<33 < 1286726268 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1286726275 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about the moon < 1286726276 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes we're doing higher math with oerjan < 1286726278 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you lay-ped my game???? < 1286726279 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1286726283 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you won't understand < 1286726304 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol is being particularly silly today < 1286726305 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well umm < 1286726308 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's say i haven't < 1286726312 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and see how it goes < 1286726326 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably due to long-time #esoteric abstinence < 1286726330 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1286726331 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1286726340 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your the only thing keeping me together < 1286726343 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*'re < 1286726399 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a conjecture that said something like f, g primitive => fg^+ contains exactly one primitive word < 1286726432 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i note that months have smaller range than minutes and days have smaller range than seconds, so only the year itself can prevent a day from having a non-primitive second of period 6 < 1286726441 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps s/primitive/unbordered/ < 1286726452 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this happens from 2024 < 1286726477 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1286726485 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good note < 1286726493 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but will there be years without any then < 1286726495 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1286726496 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 2024-2030 will still have period 4 ones < 1286726503 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1286726507 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er -2031 < 1286726516 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you start with 99, you can't get 99 anywhere on the last half < 1286726535 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of them will? < 1286726539 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from 2032 those are excluded as well because you cannot have a big enough day < 1286726540 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm hrm < 1286726555 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'm trying to write a python script that attempts to guess a password based on how long the system takes to reject a password < 1286726561 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just doesn't work :D < 1286726596 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :period 2's are easy < 1286726619 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yes but those are all included in 4 and 6 < 1286726633 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess :D < 1286726636 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for this argument < 1286726638 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 3's < 1286726650 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are included in 6 < 1286726655 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1286726664 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh erm < 1286726683 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :period, right, period < 1286726710 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah okay you're right ofc < 1286726774 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 and 6 are the maximal proper factors of 12, because 12 only has two prime factors and 4 = 12/3, 6 = 12/2 < 1286726793 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1286726950 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lessee < 1286726993 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lessee what < 1286727008 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2029/02 is the first whole _month_ without a non-primitive second, i think < 1286727141 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we need to go past 2024, then 25xx25xx25xx works for a while for any month, and same up to 28 < 1286727146 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then no more until 2030/02, 2031/02, then 2031/04, /06, /09, /11, and all from 2032 onwards < 1286727147 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1286727155 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean that pattern works for a while < 1286727160 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1286727193 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then 290129012901 works, but 290229022902 doesn't, because 2902 is not a leap year < 1286727231 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1286727259 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could probably publish this < 1286727267 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek < 1286727280 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286727329 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case, i shall follow my tradition of leaving nearly all the actual writing to my co-authors < 1286727338 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286727348 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'd have a better chance with the toi's tcness proof < 1286727351 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, you there? < 1286727368 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean that's what people do in discrete math, come up with a random esolang and program stuff on it < 1286727382 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(maybe a slight exaggeration there) < 1286727386 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286727402 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very slight < 1286727441 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was refering to my tradition, not to discrete math. i'm sure you're _entirely_ accurate there. yeah. < 1286727441 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, got it to work < 1286727446 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but i cheated) < 1286727452 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286727517 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: no surprise there < 1286727541 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, what was the method? < 1286727631 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perform a statistic on the time it takes the victim to reject your passwords < 1286727743 0 :impomatic!~chatzilla@80.229.122.56 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286727933 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Brainfuck and example of Harvard architecture? < 1286727947 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: Yes. < 1286727955 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu 10.10 is out. Ho hum. < 1286727982 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thought so, wasn't sure if there was a good reason otherwise. < 1286727988 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: how was your 42 day? < 1286727992 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you make a wish? < 1286728157 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: well there is always the distinct possibility that i am wrong :D < 1286728162 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait you can make a wish? it's still not over here... < 1286728382 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ubuntu.com/sites/default/files/active/maverick/U2.1_photos_01_large.jpg ITT: Totally Not iPhoto < 1286728505 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ubuntu.com/sites/default/files/active/maverick/U2.1_games_01_large.jpg What... what the hell are these meant to be? Strangest Worms clone ever. < 1286728535 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, they're hedgehogs. < 1286728550 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly they are just worms wearing masks < 1286728687 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[03:54:42 Oh, look. The Software Centre has started offering software to buy.]] < 1286728688 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF < 1286728704 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, so you agree with the shark-jumpery? < 1286728778 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. I thought they dropped that idea when they renamed it from Store to Centre. < 1286728793 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may refuse to upgrade out of protest and to have an excuse not to bother. < 1286728800 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, my /home is now on a separate partition, so I'm all up to some OS changing. < 1286728806 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Kitten. < 1286728818 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Quadrant or whatever I'll call the damn thing! < 1286728824 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mitosis? < 1286728835 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Mitosis isn't going to evolve into a usable OS for about 10 years :P < 1286728840 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's more like a bunch of experiements. < 1286728843 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's Quadrant, then? < 1286728848 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are those jpg's of things you can buy? < 1286728854 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A UNIX-alike operating system. < 1286728866 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a Linux distro, since it's quite possible that it'll be based on BSD. < 1286728873 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it will be nice! < 1286728936 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, the Software Centre is trying to be the App Store. < 1286729017 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1286729020 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's ok < 1286729031 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows is the only thing that doesn't have one now < 1286729036 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha ha ha, windows! ha, ha! < 1286729043 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and osx too < 1286729044 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. < 1286729051 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol@u's < 1286729053 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider, though, the implications. < 1286729057 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11494729 < 1286729072 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: people get paid for their work. earth-shattering. < 1286729115 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, we are talking about "Freedom freedom happy happy" OS, remember? < 1286729169 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: there is about a quintillion commercial applications you can pay for on ?n*x|bsd < 1286729184 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/?/* < 1286729262 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286729355 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does make the hype on the home page -- "Ubuntu applications are all free and open source – so you can share them with anyone you like, as often as you like" -- a tiny bit misleading, though. Not that I claim everything in Software Centre should be counted in "all -- Ubuntu applications", but still. < 1286729380 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's misleading indeed < 1286729507 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< pikhq> The BBC has estabilished a new guideline for science reporting. < pikhq> All science news stories must now link to the paper in question. < 1286729511 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bravo for them < 1286729701 0 :antivigilante!~antivigil@174-26-89-10.phnx.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286729732 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: yes -- behind a paywall. < 1286729782 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still better than being given the link to the journal's site. < 1286729790 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or worse, a university's. < 1286729792 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1286729801 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need an organised system for pirating papers :) < 1286729810 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a website where you post a reference of some sort, and an anonymous benefactor posts the pdf < 1286729820 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's emailed directly to you or something, so it doesn't go through the server < 1286729874 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286730038 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< ais523> and will berate the lecturer at the next chance I get <-- C is always taught like this in universities though. "This function returns a void * for abstraction" is another one of my favourites < 1286730100 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, what's that in response to < 1286730102 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*? < 1286730137 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< ais523> and will berate the lecturer at the next chance I get < 1286730218 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the correct way to teach c is not to < 1286730234 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, the correct way to teach C is after something else. < 1286730242 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i'm also of the opinion that everyone should know c < 1286730254 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :void * is the greatest bottom ever. < 1286730257 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe i'll agree with yours < 1286730263 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TAKE THAT IN WHICHEVER WAY YOU WISH < 1286730279 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get it :DD (i think) < 1286730354 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, void * isn't a bottom type, is it? < 1286730376 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not technically, since only pointer types convert to it. < 1286730384 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm a heap kinda guy :P < 1286730433 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said what what, in the void * < 1286730451 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< oerjan> (actually i don't think the finns were either, not sure about the hungarians) <-- the mongols got just short of hungary, it seems < 1286730598 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, Idonno maybe Vorpal or somebody?, whoever might care: http://codu.org/tmp/GRegor-op11-StringQuartet-VSTi-2010-10-10.ogg Op. 11 string quartet, done by VSTi's, borderline tolerable (and slightly better than it was last night) < 1286730685 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :op12 is the nonexistent one, yest? < 1286730685 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HORRIBLE BULLSHIT MAN < 1286730688 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yes < 1286730689 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION listens
< 1286730759 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes < 1286730772 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, why? < 1286730781 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was it not meant for mortal ears to hear? < 1286730806 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Because when it was 20 minutes long I went "wow, this is garbage" < 1286730824 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How garbage? < 1286730856 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not garbage enough that nothing was salvaged for op. 13, but garbage enough that a lot wasn't :P < 1286730931 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was garbagoid about it? < 1286730986 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It had no consistency, so it just droned on and on. < 1286730993 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Sounds good to me! < 1286730995 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing to tie it together. < 1286731003 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION links 9/11 to 23 in simple, easy steps
< 1286731017 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have WIPPs of it, feel free to listen to it. < 1286731053 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9/11, backwards is 11/9 = 0.2 recurring. 2 = 1+1. So it's 0.1+11+11+11+1, and so on. 1+11 = 12. So 0.12+11+11+1, and so on. 12+11 = 23. Q.E.D. < 1286731141 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG NUMEROLOGY PROVES THAT YOU'RE EVIL < 1286731355 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: too little pazazz for my taste, this music doesn't in any way *force* me to listen to it < 1286731382 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Why are you GRegor and not Gregor < 1286731387 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is your name Gregor Regor Richards? < 1286731396 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1286731400 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: YOU MUST LISTEN TO IT! YOU MUSSSSST! Also, the main thing the VSTi's are doing in my opinion relative to an (imagined) real performance is muddying things. < 1286731403 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"http://codu.org/tmp/GRegor-op11-StringQuartet-VSTi-2010-10-10.ogg" < 1286731408 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yup < 1286731420 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregoregoregoregoregoregoregoregoregor < 1286731428 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually my name is Gregor Regor Egor Gor Or R Richards < 1286731432 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that's what was going on < 1286731466 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`choo Gregor < 1286731471 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^choo Gregor < 1286731471 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor regor egor gor or r < 1286731484 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^choo Gregor Richards < 1286731484 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor Richards regor Richards egor Richards gor Richards or Richards r Richards Richards Richards ichards chards hards ards rds ds s < 1286731487 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1286731491 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble Gregor Richards regor Richards egor Richards gor Richards or Richards r Richards Richards Richards ichards chards hards ards rds ds s < 1286731491 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Geo ihrsrgrRcad grRcad o ihrso ihrsrRcad Rcad ihrsihrscad ad rsrsd ss d dasrhsrh dac dacRsrhi srhi dacRr dacRrgsrhi oesrhi oe dacRrgr < 1286731504 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Your new name is "Geo Ihrsrgr Rcard". < 1286731512 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Rcad < 1286731514 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Dutch. < 1286731518 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo and Gregor are one and the same! < 1286731526 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^choo Sgeo < 1286731531 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^choo Sgeo < 1286731531 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo geo eo o < 1286731537 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble Sgeo geo eo o < 1286731538 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Se e oo eogog < 1286731541 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^choo Seth Gold < 1286731542 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seth Gold eth Gold th Gold h Gold Gold Gold old ld d < 1286731546 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble Seth Gold eth Gold th Gold h Gold Gold Gold old ld d < 1286731546 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :St odehGl hGl od odGl l dd ldodo lG lGhdo tdo t lGhe < 1286731553 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo is now St odeh'Gl. < 1286731553 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^chew Sgeo < 1286731557 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : pikhq, Idonno maybe Vorpal or somebody?, whoever might care: http://codu.org/tmp/GRegor-op11-StringQuartet-VSTi-2010-10-10.ogg Op. 11 string quartet, done by VSTi's, borderline tolerable (and slightly better than it was last night) <-- will listen in a bit, atm the listening conditions are rather bad due to loud powertools close to here < 1286731564 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^choo Satan MacGee < 1286731564 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Satan MacGee atan MacGee tan MacGee an MacGee n MacGee MacGee MacGee acGee cGee Gee ee e < 1286731567 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^cho Phantom Hoover < 1286731567 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom Hooverhantom Hooverantom Hooverntom Hoovertom Hooverom Hooverm Hoover HooverHooverooveroververerr < 1286731572 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble Phantom Hooverhantom Hooverantom Hooverntom Hoovertom Hooverom Hooverm Hoover HooverHooverooveroververerr < 1286731572 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PatmHoehno ovrno ovrtmHoetmHoeo ovr ovrHoeHoeovrvreerrrveoeorvorvo eoHmeoHmrvo orvo oneoHmtaeoHmtarvo onh < 1286731580 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: is now Patm Hoehno. < 1286731584 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/:// < 1286731592 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoeovrvreerrrveoeorvorvo :D < 1286731606 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble Satan MacGee atan MacGee tan MacGee an MacGee n MacGee MacGee MacGee acGee cGee Gee ee e < 1286731606 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :StnMce tnMce a aGea aGenMce Mce aGeaGece e ee eeGeG ec ecMeGa eGa ecMn ecMnteGa aaeGa aa < 1286731614 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: It's Cherokee. < 1286731615 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that could be an esolang < 1286731633 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^choo Elliott Hird < 1286731634 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elliott Hird lliott Hird liott Hird iott Hird ott Hird tt Hird t Hird Hird Hird ird rd d < 1286731635 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show choo < 1286731635 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>,[>,]+32[<]>[[.>]<[<]>[-]>] < 1286731640 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show cho < 1286731640 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>,[>,]<[<]>[[.>]<[<]>[-]>] < 1286731642 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1286731646 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^choo Ørjan Johannsen < 1286731646 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ørjan Johannsen ˜rjan Johannsen rjan Johannsen jan Johannsen an Johannsen n Johannsen Johannsen Johannsen ohannsen hannsen annsen nnsen nsen sen en n < 1286731649 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: (is that right?) < 1286731655 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble Elliott Hird lliott Hird liott Hird iott Hird ott Hird tt Hird t Hird Hird Hird ird rd d < 1286731655 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ElotHr lotHr it idit idotHr tHr id idHr r dd rdidi rH rHtdi tdi t rHto rHtoldi tildi til < 1286731665 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you are now ElotHr. < 1286731666 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I think it fails at utf-8, only to be expected < 1286731666 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Johansen < 1286731671 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: use ^cho < 1286731674 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get something longer for me < 1286731679 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^cho Xrjan Johansen < 1286731679 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Xrjan Johansenrjan Johansenjan Johansenan Johansenn Johansen JohansenJohansenohansenhansenansennsensenenn < 1286731679 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^choo Arvid Norlander < 1286731679 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arvid Norlander rvid Norlander vid Norlander id Norlander d Norlander Norlander Norlander orlander rlander lander ander nder der er r < 1286731684 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble Xrjan Johansenrjan Johansenjan Johansenan Johansenn Johansen JohansenJohansenohansenhansenansennsensenenn < 1286731684 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XjnJhnera oasna oasnnJhnenJhne oasnoasnhnehneasnsneennnsenennsansaoenhJenhJnsao nsao aenhJnjenhJnjnsao ar < 1286731693 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble Arvid Norlander rvid Norlander vid Norlander id Norlander d Norlander Norlander Norlander orlander rlander lander ander nder der er r < 1286731693 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AvdNradrri olne i olne dNradrdNradr olne olne radrradrlne ne drdre rr e enrdarda enl enlordarNrdarN enlo enlo irdarNdvrdarNdv enlo ir < 1286731693 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is now Øjn Jhnera Oasna < 1286731701 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Avd Nradrri < 1286731714 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^cho Elliott Hird < 1286731714 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I can't pronounce that :P < 1286731714 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elliott Hirdlliott Hirdliott Hirdiott Hirdott Hirdtt Hirdt Hird HirdHirdirdrdd < 1286731714 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^choo Chris Pressey < 1286731715 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chris Pressey hris Pressey ris Pressey is Pressey s Pressey Pressey Pressey ressey essey ssey sey ey y < 1286731719 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble Chris Pressey hris Pressey ris Pressey is Pressey s Pressey Pressey Pressey ressey essey ssey sey ey y < 1286731720 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CrsPesyhi rse i rse sPesysPesy rse rse esyesyse e yy eysys es esrysePyseP esr esr iysePsrysePsr esr ih < 1286731728 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crs Pesyhi Rsei < 1286731730 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble Elliott Hirdlliott Hirdliott Hirdiott Hirdott Hirdtt Hirdt Hird HirdHirdirdrdd < 1286731730 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ElotHrlit idit idotHrotHrt id idHrHridddrrdidi rHtrHtdi tdi tirHtolrHtoldi til < 1286731731 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do me! < 1286731731 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do me! < 1286731732 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^cho Elliott Hird < 1286731732 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elliott Hirdlliott Hirdliott Hirdiott Hirdott Hirdtt Hirdt Hird HirdHirdirdrdd < 1286731732 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do me! < 1286731743 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble Elliott Hirdlliott Hirdliott Hirdiott Hirdott Hirdtt Hirdt Hird HirdHirdirdrdd < 1286731744 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ElotHrlit idit idotHrotHrt id idHrHridddrrdidi rHtrHtdi tdi tirHtolrHtoldi til < 1286731744 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you know what, you're just Hirdiott. < 1286731752 0 :antivigilante!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286731754 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^choo Elliott Hird < 1286731754 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elliott Hird lliott Hird liott Hird iott Hird ott Hird tt Hird t Hird Hird Hird ird rd d < 1286731760 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show scramble < 1286731760 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>,[>,]<[<]>[.>>]<[>>]<2[.<2] < 1286731764 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble Elliott Hird lliott Hird liott Hird iott Hird ott Hird tt Hird t Hird Hird Hird ird rd d < 1286731764 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ElotHr lotHr it idit idotHr tHr id idHr r dd rdidi rH rHtdi tdi t rHto rHtoldi tildi til < 1286731771 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scramble scramble and run! < 1286731776 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'll be so cool xdxxxD < 1286731795 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, "oklopol" is too short. < 1286731799 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble >>,[>,]<[<]>[.>>]<[>>]<2[.<2] < 1286731799 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>,>][][>][><[<]2.2]><>.><<,[> < 1286731816 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1286731820 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: is omnivorol the right spelling < 1286731822 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz < 1286731822 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :acegikmoqsuwyzxvtrpnljhfdb < 1286731824 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, wouldn't run alas < 1286731825 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or omniovorol? < 1286731834 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ominovorol < 1286731834 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^choo oklopol omniovorol < 1286731834 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol omniovorol klopol omniovorol lopol omniovorol opol omniovorol pol omniovorol ol omniovorol l omniovorol omniovorol omniovorol mniovorol niovorol iovorol ovorol vorol orol rol ol l < 1286731837 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble >,[>,]<[<]>[[.>]<[<]>[-]>] < 1286731837 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>[,<<>[><<>->]][][].[][]>, < 1286731840 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^choo oklopol ominovorol < 1286731840 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol ominovorol klopol ominovorol lopol ominovorol opol ominovorol pol ominovorol ol ominovorol l ominovorol ominovorol ominovorol minovorol inovorol novorol ovorol vorol orol rol ol l < 1286731840 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's just reverse and interleave. < 1286731845 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble oklopol ominovorol klopol ominovorol lopol ominovorol opol ominovorol pol ominovorol ol ominovorol l ominovorol ominovorol ominovorol minovorol inovorol novorol ovorol vorol orol rol ol l < 1286731845 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1286731845 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olploiooo lploiooo oo mnvrloo mnvrlploiooo loiooo mnvrl mnvrloiooo iooo nvrlnvrlooo oo rlrlo ll o oolrvlrv ooo oooilrvnmlrvnm oooio oooiollrvnm olrvnm o oooiolp oooiolpllrvnm ooklrvnm ook < 1286731849 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol :D < 1286731850 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one is balanced < 1286731851 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^cho oklopol ominovorol < 1286731851 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol ominovorolklopol ominovorollopol ominovorolopol ominovorolpol ominovorolol ominovoroll ominovorol ominovorolominovorolminovorolinovorolnovorolovorolvorolorolrololl < 1286731855 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble oklopol ominovorolklopol ominovorollopol ominovorolopol ominovorolpol ominovorolol ominovoroll ominovorol ominovorolominovorolminovorolinovorolnovorolovorolvorolorolrololl < 1286731855 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olploioookoo mnvrloo mnvrlploioooploioooo mnvrl mnvrloiooooiooomnvrlnvrloooooovrlrloolllroooolrvlrvnoooioooilrvnmlrvnm oooioloooiollrvnm olrvnm oooooiolploooiolpllrvnm ook < 1286731860 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^choo Chris Pressey < 1286731861 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chris Pressey hris Pressey ris Pressey is Pressey s Pressey Pressey Pressey ressey essey ssey sey ey y < 1286731862 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >[,<<>[><<>->]][][].[][]>, < 1286731868 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1286731869 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1286731869 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you're now Olploioookoo Mnvrloo Mnvrlploioooploioooo < 1286731871 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble Chris Pressey hris Pressey ris Pressey is Pressey s Pressey Pressey Pressey ressey essey ssey sey ey y < 1286731871 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CrsPesyhi rse i rse sPesysPesy rse rse esyesyse e yy eysys es esrysePyseP esr esr iysePsrysePsr esr ih < 1286731871 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just boring < 1286731882 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, you are CrsPesyhi. < 1286731891 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >+[,<<>[><<>->]][][].[][]>, < 1286731899 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like olploioookoo < 1286731913 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I like Mnvrloo. < 1286731917 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But which is better? < 1286731923 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's only one way to find out! < 1286731926 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :today (101010) is binary for 42... I still can't think of anything special to do. < 1286731991 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: maybe stop using two-year digit systems, and if you won't do that, stop concatenating them together for no reason, and if you won't do that, stop interpreting them as binary for no reason? < 1286731996 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is seriously the stupidest day ever < 1286732013 0 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286732021 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, stop being mean to everyone. < 1286732039 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never once insulted Mathnerd314. shut up. < 1286732047 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you just did? < 1286732059 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, he insulted 42 day. < 1286732063 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you mean "never before" < 1286732067 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was being nice to Mathnerd314 < 1286732081 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, we should use 6 digit years < 1286732092 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oh Mathnerd314, don't worry, you've been wasting time that was in no way special" < 1286732094 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I gather you don't like Ï€-day either? < 1286732126 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: well. :) < 1286732134 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it doesn't involve concatenating and then interpreting as binary < 1286732138 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION becomes a holy man.
< 1286732145 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: there was discussion about the sublattice of non-primitive seconds (of the timeline) < 1286732148 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble 101010 < 1286732148 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :111000 < 1286732151 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1286732153 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you like non-primitive seconds < 1286732157 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, TOTALLY HOLIER THAN THOU < 1286732170 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :56 < 1286732175 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what? < 1286732196 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am a holy man now, BITCH. < 1286732204 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes me holier than thou. < 1286732230 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: how did you become a holy man? < 1286732268 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1286732278 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just completely characterized the sublattice! < 1286732282 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a chain! :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD < 1286732299 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314, I... err... didn't eat any... erm... unholy food... for a few days. < 1286732327 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2010-10-10 = 1990, welcome to the nineties! < 1286732338 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: pork probably counts as unholy? < 1286732356 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314, not when I poke a hole in it. < 1286732379 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION smacks his face
< 1286732402 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan would swat me, but I stole his swatter a while ago. < 1286732456 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< Mathnerd314> Phantom_Hoover: how did you become a holy man? < 1286732460 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe he finally got the hat < 1286732478 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders where his hat actually is.
< 1286732487 0 :antivigilante!~antivigil@174-26-89-10.phnx.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286732539 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: happy arbitrarily-numbered day! < 1286732545 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1286732552 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi cpressey < 1286732567 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1286732591 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi calamari < 1286732634 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I should party when it is 10:10 am, 10 seconds? < 1286732731 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALWAYS < 1286732759 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if they did this in the year 1010 < 1286732763 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except without #esoteric < 1286732767 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or electricity < 1286732784 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: no, at 1:10am, 1000/99 seconds < 1286732784 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or... non-public clocks < 1286732787 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(10.1010101010...) < 1286732808 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: too late < 1286732945 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm saving my party for a ninth of a second after 11:11:11 11/11/11. < 1286732964 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although that's Remembrance Day, so partying may be looked down upon. < 1286732986 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286732994 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hold a rave in the silence < 1286733613 0 :Wamanuz2!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286733650 0 :Wamanuz!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1286733715 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, how long is it until Padmé appears in RoTS? < 1286733836 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-44-114.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1286733897 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because that will be the return of Jim, and I am waiting for that. < 1286733932 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Approximately 25 minutes in. < 1286733947 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I.e. pretty soon after they've managed to land that thing. < 1286733959 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, did you... did you just watch RoTS to work out that time? < 1286733998 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: If you call "skipping ahead in ten-second increments really fast" watching. < 1286734009 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love this place... < 1286734037 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, go check the zeroes of the zeta function and see if any of them are non-trivial and with a real part not equal to 1/2. < 1286734070 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats Phantom_Hoover for thinking he has the swatter -----###
< 1286734091 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swatpans oerjan for getting a new swatter --==\#/
< 1286734300 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Combinator syntax question: Conventionally, SKSK = (((SK)S)K)? < 1286734311 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1286734315 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks. < 1286734415 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that's just K >:) < 1286734464 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats oerjan with a left ideal <>
< 1286734506 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION kicks cpressey through an ultrafilter
< 1286734593 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats cpressey ----### and pans oerjan ===\_/
< 1286734634 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION well-orders Phantom_Hoover
< 1286734671 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION finds oerjan's least fixed point
< 1286735615 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-3-167.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286735692 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do people do things like making a torrent with a split rar? < 1286735711 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like BitTorrent will cry if the files go over 100 megs! < 1286735789 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because people are retarded and think split rars have better compressoin < 1286735798 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they also compress compressed video and the like < 1286735815 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably because that's how they downloaded it from a newsgroup < 1286736021 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, people think SPLIT RARS have better compression. GAAAH < 1286736048 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't rar splitting just... Splitting + metadata? < 1286736060 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: remember, these are the SAME PEOPLE who think you get better compressions .RARing a video! < 1286736065 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, yes it is < 1286736085 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: To be fair, if it's an AVI inside, *you do get some benefit*. < 1286736094 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(AVI is a very high-overhead format) < 1286736118 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Granted, said benefit is going to be like 10 megs, but still. < 1286736820 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.2.8/20100722155716] < 1286737005 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: SIIKK is also K, or my evaluator and/or my understanding is broken < 1286737043 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1286737108 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SII(SII) < 1286737279 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to my dismay, i gave up on parsing the non-fully-parenthesized syntax, and i'm certain my evaluator could be simpler < 1286737332 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, hedgewars is haskell! < 1286737339 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :: Data.ByteString.hGetLine: end of file < 1286737346 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the quit message for some < 1286737391 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not < 1286737396 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"FreePascal >= 2.2.4" < 1286737443 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm it requires haskell though < 1286737451 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe just for the server < 1286737550 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Why is it so hard to find the ORIGINAL ISO for ag ame? < 1286737551 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*a game? < 1286737558 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Because FUCK YOU < 1286737586 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No! I want a RAR of the installed game! I want a 500 megabyte multi-language version of the iso, not just the English version! < 1286737587 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Laik, everyone wants their disc modified, rait?" < 1286737598 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a pre-no-CD'd version! < 1286737650 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: with a .reg? < 1286737657 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: .reg + copy files i think < 1286737660 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: also, i'm being sarcastic < 1286737672 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: The worst thing is, I've bought this game! Twice! < 1286737675 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just don't have the CD! < 1286737677 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Argh. < 1286737678 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're never sarcastic < 1286737680 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Give me the fucking CD! < 1286737690 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what game? < 1286737694 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worms Armageddon < 1286737705 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1286737707 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, concurred < 1286737710 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you find one, tell me < 1286737727 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: i could download my own ISO that i put up, but it's unseeded and the Sold-Out rerelease :) < 1286737729 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((SI)I)((SI)I) < 1286737735 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1286737745 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you get a copy, tell me < 1286737756 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure thing < 1286737766 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: btw, to get it working in wine you have to replace a dll < 1286737781 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://worms2d.info/Main_Page is always a veritable fountain of knowledge < 1286737808 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard < 1286737820 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I need a copy first < 1286737839 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i'll find something < 1286737844 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what. < 1286737880 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: how does one give a specific root to wine? < 1286737884 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to have per-app installs < 1286737887 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :specific root? < 1286737893 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: combinator calculus < 1286737907 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, set WINE_PREFIX to something else. < 1286737909 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: instead of ~/.wine < 1286737911 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ok, thanks < 1286737918 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I think it should be CoW. < 1286737926 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: WINEPREFIX=dir < 1286737927 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps WineFS could be created. < 1286737943 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: oh yeah, you know that cheat thing deadcode wrote that i told you about? < 1286737946 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how there was an anti-cheat one? < 1286737947 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: are you trying to send us into an infinite loop? < 1286737954 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even symlinking all of the important DLLs. < 1286737955 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION whistles innocently
< 1286737961 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: that anti-cheat one *single-handedly* added win2k/xp support to the game < 1286737963 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without the source code < 1286737965 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, can it do Lazy K IO? < 1286737998 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND IT WOULD HAVE WORKED TOO IF NOT FOR THAT MEDDLING PHANTOM_HOOVER < 1286737999 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: What? No, I only wrote it in the past hour. It barely just reduces SKI expressions < 1286738026 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, doing Lazy K IO isn't much more than that. < 1286738030 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Beautiful. < 1286738065 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: and a testament to how good is engineering is -- if even one player in a net game uses an older, incompatible version of the game, all the newer versions will *emulate that version* < 1286738070 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: FEATURE REQUEST DECLINED < 1286738071 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this goes right down to 3.0, the last official patch < 1286738078 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*good the < 1286738104 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Bravo. < 1286738113 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deadcode...? < 1286738142 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: He's a quantum-computer-based cyborg. < 1286738148 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :His only thoughts are to program. < 1286738154 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He has no emotions. < 1286738163 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://torrentz.com/634f0cf224c90dbb84e8bb48f337cbe1b62805d7 < 1286738167 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i think this is a multi-language version but EH < 1286738173 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it's something that actually appeared on a cd at some point < 1286738177 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: ^ < 1286738181 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: http://torrentz.com/634f0cf224c90dbb84e8bb48f337cbe1b62805d7 < 1286738191 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll need a no-cd crack for sanity but That Can Be Arranged afterwards < 1286738196 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and the directdraw < 1286738198 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but again, that can come after < 1286738227 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: as always, remember to insert the torrentz tracker list :p < 1286738237 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmf download is slow < 1286738238 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks for a faster one
< 1286738266 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1286738269 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: pikhq: http://torrentz.com/4c6c424826f8e8dc277fefe4e1de9c92f5337855 < 1286738271 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just tick the iso < 1286738272 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nothing else < 1286738289 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MOAR TORRENT < 1286738295 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: wat < 1286738314 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :74 peers fuck yeah < 1286738334 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :things i don't understand < 1286738334 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how come < 1286738336 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after removing wine < 1286738337 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and reinstalling it < 1286738341 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wine menu doesn't come back up? < 1286738358 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, because it's still in the cache < 1286738359 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1286738367 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait no < 1286738393 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1286738396 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :995 KiB/s off a torrent < 1286738399 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :niiice < 1286738580 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: by the way, quadrant/kitten will eat your firstborn as part of the installation process. and since said you'd try it, well... < 1286738583 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:D < 1286738673 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I'll have my cat install it for me. < 1286738685 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Is your cat fertile? < 1286738690 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope! < 1286738703 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You see, that just means that it eats its owner's firstborn. < 1286738713 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in the EULA! < 1286738747 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess I'll just have to never have a child, then. < 1286738771 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm currently doing that at a stunning pace! < 1286738775 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You don't want to know what happens if you do that. < 1286738779 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You DON'T want to know. < 1286738786 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, parent's firstborn? < 1286738795 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1286738798 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It eats YOU. < 1286738807 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am my parent's firstborn, so... < 1286738818 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'll have to hit the spermbank. < 1286738838 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With your fists! < 1286738925 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I'll give you an online game after I get WA installed. < 1286738932 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I'll tell you how to set it up before that :P < 1286739005 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idea: implement a Mandelbrot generator in Logo. Have it draw the outline of the set using only the turtle drawing functions. < 1286739017 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ouch. < 1286739063 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xhtml-served-as-html ensaddens me. < 1286739157 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xhtml ensaddens me. < 1286739164 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You should totally download that WA torrent :| < 1286739172 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We could all fail hilariously at the simplest of games! < 1286739173 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I'm downloading it. < 1286739184 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing about it parses right. Nothing. The web browser actually has to use its tag-soup parser to render anything. < 1286739187 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or start a CLAN (note: clans in WA are the most juvenile thing ever) < 1286739194 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XHTML is HTML made XML-compliant, yes? < 1286739205 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it used to be so bad that not having a clan in your nick made people call you a noob < 1286739211 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: No, XHTML is HTML using XML syntax instead of SGML syntax. < 1286739223 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, there's a difference/ < 1286739225 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*? < 1286739226 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you see something like xABxSomeIdiotxABx, that's a clan idiot. AB stands for Abrasive Bastards or similar! < 1286739239 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover:
vs
< 1286739240 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes < 1286739242 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :big difference < 1286739261 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
in SGML parses as a br tag followed by a misplaced >. < 1286739286 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: SGML and XML have a common subset. < 1286739298 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTML made XML-compliant would merely use this common subset. < 1286739307 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION copies WA.iso to ~ to begin
< 1286739323 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah,

< 1286739329 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course that's backwards-incompatible with old html versions < 1286739332 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Right. < 1286739343 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should note at this point that almost no HTML parsers actually parse things as SGML. < 1286739360 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meaning that there's *tons* of valid HTML that a web browser can't render. < 1286739382 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION writes a WA-in-Wine install guide as he goes along
< 1286739391 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: It could also be
< 1286739399 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah but nothing parses that :D < 1286739401 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Erm, no, not for XML. < 1286739411 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you just care about SGML, then
English self-reference. < 1286745676 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: That is better. Thanks < 1286745726 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know French, so I cannot respond appropriately. < 1286745764 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1286745986 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How was that Underlambda thing doing? < 1286746086 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is Underlambda? < 1286746125 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: How goes the WA? < 1286746141 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That... is what I seek to find out. < 1286746534 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ZzzZZzzzZZzZzZ < 1286746630 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@121-74-66-169.telstraclear.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286746631 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1286746631 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1286746641 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As it turns out, IE7 is significantly smaller than IE6. < 1286746847 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286746987 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, do you know the Forbidden Secrets of Chemistry? < 1286746995 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like how goddamned electrons work. < 1286747016 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: only to some extent < 1286747044 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that's more physics, isn't it? < 1286747045 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have enough of an understanding to explain why electrons act the way they do in covalent/ionic bonds, to an extent sufficient to make a few basic explanations but not really get to the heart of what's oging on < 1286747049 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: 261.5/262.7 mb < 1286747050 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hi alise < 1286747053 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody uploading to me < 1286747071 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, *goddamned electron shells < 1286747089 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The explanation that is given at first is so obviously wrong... < 1286747091 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: do you have the whole thing? < 1286747097 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, just 99% < 1286747098 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1286747130 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I can give a simplified and "wrong" explanation that's nonetheless better than the explanation you're likely to have been given, and has better predictive power < 1286747169 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The subshell one? < 1286747210 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better predictive power -- useful if you're going to bet on what electron shells will do < 1286747230 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Uh, that's the whole ISO. < 1286747241 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well, does 21st Century Science have anything on electron shells? < 1286747250 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: It's showing the percentage of the whole torrent you have, not the percentage of what you want. < 1286747252 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, the answer to that is obvious. < 1286747253 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Oh, what the eff. I started downloading the update. < 1286747255 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did that happen? < 1286747256 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel stupid for askin. < 1286747258 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But okay. < 1286747259 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*asking < 1286747262 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Oh, and feof/ferror too, as well as the somewhat obscure system(NULL) case. (And a lot of multibyte string functions when called with a NULL s.) < 1286747264 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I think it... might. < 1286747282 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hmm, thanks for that < 1286747287 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Got forced to, presumably. Saying "I want only this" only means that your client will *try* to only get that. < 1286747288 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did them at the unit; well, "did", I sat there and turned my brain off while the obvious incorrectness was dispensed into my audial system. < 1286747292 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION surprises
< 1286747294 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Right. < 1286747299 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguably, the system(NULL) case might actually come up, as it's a course about kernel programming < 1286747307 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: "But I don't WANT that file!" "FUCK YOU, YOU'RE GETTING IT" < 1286747323 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and assuming that system() is given the correct implementation inside the kernel in question (IIRC Linux), it would be a quick test to see if you were a kernel module or user program < 1286747325 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1286747327 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Okay, I will now attempt to write a guide that explains how to get this working. < 1286747335 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc, a need for that test isn't likely to come up very often... < 1286747341 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: heh < 1286747356 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: did you see my complaints about the C notes I was given to teach from, earlier? < 1286747373 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes < 1286747375 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sounds awful < 1286747406 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, the course officially uses gcc --std=gnu99; I suppose that's vaguely plausible given that it's meant to be about kernel programming and Linux the kernel is full of GNU extensions, but still...) < 1286747433 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So you have the whole thing too? < 1286747444 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, note how whatever 21st Century Science says, it will completely ignore anything past calcium. < 1286747458 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: did you do it or something? < 1286747466 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are you just basing this on what i said about how crap it is? < 1286747501 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I'm basing it on the fact that elements past Ca aren't covered until final-year-ish courses in school. < 1286747529 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it involves quantum, AND WE ALL KNOW HOW IMPOSSIBLE TO COMPREHEND THAT IS < 1286747546 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love our educational system; we treat people like retards, ensuring that they will grow up to be retards. < 1286747582 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yup. < 1286747585 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, zzo38 implemented Underload in TeX? that seems kind-of appropriate next to the Redcode impl < 1286747601 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have spent at least 3 years asking every chemistry teacher I have how the bloody things work, to no avail. < 1286747619 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird@dinky:~/.local/lib/worms-armageddon$ file cd.iso < 1286747619 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cd.iso: PowerISO Direct-Access-Archive < 1286747624 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: discuss < 1286747628 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Install daa2iso. < 1286747629 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes I have done. If you have any other questions about it you can ask < 1286747637 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :archive manager can't open it either < 1286747641 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: WHY IS IT .ISO IF IT'S NOT ISO < 1286747642 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AIOJFGDFJH < 1286747645 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it does involve quantum, but not in a particularly incomprehensible way < 1286747646 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: FUCK YOU < 1286747656 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: But, daa2iso will get you a proper ISO, so hey. < 1286747660 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, TOO DAMN INCOMPREHENSIBLE < 1286747663 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, anyone grepping the logs for me and pikhq saying fuck will think we hate each other. < 1286747668 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: mostly I'm just impressed, and trying to figure out how it works < 1286747691 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: OK, let's see... electrons can be in one of many different energy levels, orbits, and spins < 1286747707 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ... < 1286747709 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: God I *hate* that. I mean, quantum isn't magic. < 1286747711 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I just deleted WA.iso by mistake. < 1286747712 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It isn't particularly complicated. It is a short program, and if you understand TeX you should understand this program. < 1286747718 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's not /quite/ true that spins are symmetrical, it takes really contrived quantum physics to find an example where they aren't < 1286747720 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Facepalm-tastic. < 1286747723 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't understand raw TeX < 1286747726 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I just got an ISO. < 1286747727 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1286747727 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can try to figure it out from the program < 1286747732 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I hereby obligate you to upload it to a server that I have access to. < 1286747736 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Or -- even better. < 1286747740 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You seeding that torrent? < 1286747747 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I can go back to seeding it! < 1286747758 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I figured it out by myself a couple of days ago, with the aid of a poster. < 1286747762 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: so for the purposes of this, you can assume that "up" and "down" spins (the only two possibilities) are identical except for being different from each other < 1286747769 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: even better, I don't need to explain that way! < 1286747771 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Now you can see if you can figure out, and any part you don't know, you can ask. < 1286747787 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Transmission thinks I still have the file X_X < 1286747795 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, is there any way to quickly recover a recently-deleted file on an ext4 system? < 1286747796 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Rescan. < 1286747798 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the code for : looks pretty surprising < 1286747799 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it in the journal or ... something? < 1286747817 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: the journal only exists while the deletion is taking place < 1286747832 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Mother-fucking-fuckshitting-fuck. < 1286747833 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and unfortunately, ext4 is very fast at deleting large files, that's part of the reason you'd use it < 1286747841 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a filesystem that's really slow at deleting large files. < 1286747843 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :REALLY slow. < 1286747856 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in fact, it's one of its main advantages over ext3) < 1286747858 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I want an rm that just moves the file to a trashcan because I can't trust myself with this shit. < 1286747862 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: you could grep for a magic number or something < 1286747878 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and you can alias rm to a move-to-trash in your .profile or whatever) < 1286747878 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Write an rm-alike! < 1286747880 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Okay, seed that thing. < 1286747884 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm seeding it. < 1286747885 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yeah, I might just. < 1286747896 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what about moving to somewhere in /tmp? < 1286747897 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And connected to you. < 1286747902 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alias rm to mv-to-bin, rename rm to really-really-rm. < 1286747908 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way, you can undelete as long as you haven't rebooted in between < 1286747910 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And UPLOAD MORE DAMMIT < 1286747916 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or if you're feeling more adventurous, move to /var/cache) < 1286747923 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUN FACT: the 5th-year physics curriculum in Scotland covers quantum in so little detail that they don't even mention the double-slit experiment. < 1286747924 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: INSUFFICIENT SPEED BEEEEEP INSUFFICIENT SPEED BEEEEEEEEEEEEP < 1286747932 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: /bin seems a rather bad place for deleted files... < 1286747937 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Please put "mechanics" after that word. Just "quantum" is irritating. < 1286747942 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The word "bin". < 1286747944 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Do you mean the code for : in the underload.tex is surprising? < 1286747946 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Rubbish bin". < 1286747948 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes < 1286747957 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't obviously match what : does, like the code for ~ does < 1286747980 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Okay, it is now the only torrent I'm running. < 1286747989 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better? < 1286747989 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: YAY < 1286747991 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, is ^ using a temporary file? < 1286747991 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Thanks. < 1286747997 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and does that work for nested ^ commands? < 1286747999 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I promise to be less stupid as payment. < 1286748001 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it's a Discworld reference. < 1286748006 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's my story and I'm sticking with it. < 1286748026 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well, it does work. The \begingroup command in TeX is basically like pushing the state of all macros and registers to the stack (it doesn't work exactly like that, but it is close). < 1286748037 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: ETA = ? < 1286748038 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ^ is using a temporary file, and it does work for nested ^ commands. < 1286748046 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: 32 minutes < 1286748050 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is better than i ever got on the torrent itself < 1286748066 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: you have great upload < 1286748067 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooray, using all the upload. < 1286748091 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: To be fair, I am getting it from three other people, too. < 1286748102 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I was seeding 3 other torrents and fetching 2 others... < 1286748110 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: using a temporary file to implement function calls rather reminds me of using multithreading to implement addition < 1286748111 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yours is the fastest though. < 1286748131 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Pfft, you're one of these crazy people who "seeds" torrents after they're downloaded. < 1286748133 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PFFT < 1286748140 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: And in case you didn't realize yet, the reason for \let\C=\catcode < 1286748142 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Private tracker. < 1286748148 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is because the word "catcode" as "a" in it. < 1286748152 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: does an infinite loop as in (:^):^ run out of memory eventually, or does it actually run forever? < 1286748153 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, what is that music at the end of Free Man? < 1286748161 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ingenious < 1286748162 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The internet seems to be at a loss. < 1286748166 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I have a crazy ratio on Demonoid and I forget why. < 1286748180 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it's something some guy made specifically for it < 1286748185 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some internet-famous ... thing < 1286748198 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The input stack is eventually exhausted. (MiKTeX (and probably others, too) allow changing the input stack size by a command-line parameter.) < 1286748208 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I mean the music that plays when it's panning around the statue of John Freeman. < 1286748211 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Hmm, only 1.46 ratio on Demonoid. Swear it was more! < 1286748211 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to re-install Windows on this machine now. < 1286748213 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Oh. Dunno. < 1286748214 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wish me luck. < 1286748216 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1286748221 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: good luck! < 1286748227 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There might be a better way than using input files like this, but I found this the simplest way, later I might find a better way, in which case I can fix it. < 1286748231 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION feels slightly trepidated
< 1286748259 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, I can't figure out how : is meant to work < 1286748262 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you using as the stack? < 1286748294 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I am using TeX's internal group stack as the stack. < 1286748310 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what are you using as stack elements? < 1286748325 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The \toks0 register. < 1286748340 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I think I get an idea of how it's working noe < 1286748342 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*now < 1286748351 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and : works because it starts a new group, but doesn't change any of the current registers? < 1286748357 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it just copies what's there on the stack already? < 1286748358 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1286748373 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got iy < 1286748375 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it < 1286748381 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, merit of Gaz versions of the final two instalments in the FLC series. Discuss. < 1286748404 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: they're not as good. < 1286748442 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never liked the fact that Henry and John Freeman are indistinguishable. < 1286748476 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That could have been funny, but *eh* they're just not as funny. < 1286748484 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the entire amusement of the series is how downright stupid it is. < 1286748490 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they're less stupid than the regular ones. < 1286748496 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there was a category code for active and begin group both at the same time, I could probably do it without temporary files. < 1286748565 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: huh, apparently the readings featured in the djy videos aren't his own < 1286748566 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have tried the example Underload programs, all of them work.) < 1286748570 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're all from elsewhere :P < 1286748576 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1286748577 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange because they fit so well < 1286748583 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"They combine dramatic readings performed by other users and music from the album Production Music from Ren & Stimpy, creating a distinct Soundtrack Dissonance." < 1286748714 0 :cpressey!~catseye@adsl-99-94-155-109.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286748738 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't risk it; recovery CD is moronic. I don't trust it to not wipe out the Linux partition. < 1286748753 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: ? < 1286748767 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Why I Am Not Re-Installing Windows Here. < 1286748776 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I can print what i need to at work < 1286748789 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe even talk to this printer from Ubuntu < 1286748790 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahah < 1286748928 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan The problem with the "non-self-similar fractal" of a triangle, square, pentagon... is that as n gets large, n-gons do tend to look... well, similar. < 1286749003 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually seems pretty close to the "non-repeating sequence <-> unbounded storage" thing... to have a non-self-similar fractal, you essentially need a non-repeating sequence < 1286749009 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: no lambdabot < 1286749014 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: ubuntu is pretty good with printers btw < 1286749052 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and oerjan is pretty good with reading the logs himself :) < 1286749134 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was an error during the CUPS operation: 'client-error-document-format-not-supported'. When printing a test page. < 1286749152 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume this means eww-your-printer-is-retarded. < 1286749241 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286749403 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that thing about atoms written in ... English without Germanic things? Or something. < 1286749405 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The title. < 1286749548 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: "Thanks Allan but I'm afraid I don't have that programming knowledge and talent for I'm not a programmer. [...] I am a software designer, an architect, a non-coding project manager you might say. In the old days the term was "analyst". My interest is more in designing algorithms, writing pseudo-code, interfaces and of course managing computing projects." < 1286749552 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--Tcl wiki page 19 < 1286749558 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Desire to kill strong. < 1286749589 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"720x400" WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT YOU ASSHOLE < 1286749700 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: wat < 1286749733 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286749749 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Take a 4:3 720p video, and rescale to 720x400. < 1286749755 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1286749757 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :480p video. < 1286749762 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not 640x480, which would make *some* sense. 720x400. < 1286749764 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: "No." < 1286749771 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the right answer? < 1286749805 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moral of the story: the people who encode videos for torrents are assholes. < 1286749849 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Okay, torrent finished. I will try to have either a full guide, or an admission that it can't be done, in an hour or two. < 1286749861 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmkay. < 1286749870 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: you got WA? < 1286749875 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More likely two. < 1286749881 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Yes, but I have not yet verified its usefulness. < 1286749888 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: the recovery CD won't wipe out Linux, just the bootleader. Have a disc handy to reinstall that < 1286749890 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: It is *very* non-trivial to get it working in WINE. < 1286749895 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I see the guide < 1286749900 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: No. < 1286749901 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's outdated. < 1286749903 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh :( < 1286749903 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Sorely* outdated. < 1286749911 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in "pre-Wine 1.0" outdated. < 1286749914 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I should grab trunk wine < 1286749918 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1286749919 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wine 1.3.3 < 1286749923 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the development release < 1286749923 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1286749925 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1286749931 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :older ones won't work online < 1286749933 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wormnet) < 1286749939 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: link coppro to the .torrent, would you? < 1286749940 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll be seeding. < 1286749953 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: and I'll tell you what to do with it soon, hopefully :P < 1286749955 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once I figure it out < 1286749957 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1286749961 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes to grab wine
< 1286749968 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: note: ubuntu repos version is old < 1286749971 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uninstall it before installing 1.3.3 < 1286749973 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a PPA. < 1286749974 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, I no longer have it. < 1286749981 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The link, that is. < 1286749983 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i'll get the link < 1286749991 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://isohunt.com/download/181634533/worms+armageddon.torrent < 1286749992 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There. < 1286749993 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: http://isohunt.com/download/181634533/worms+armageddon.torrent < 1286749994 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Log grep < 1286749994 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1286750009 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Download that and I'll have the info on how to get it running soon. < 1286750011 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I found something even worse... < 1286750029 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who the hell *posts DVD ISOs* but *does a re-encode for that*? < 1286750038 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to figure out how to get the right git tag
< 1286750042 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: dude < 1286750050 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: http://www.winehq.org/download/deb < 1286750055 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use the freakin' repository < 1286750067 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :save yourself many pointless hours and possible misconfiguration < 1286750086 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, cool, a ppa < 1286750092 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : there is a PPA. < 1286750093 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1286750107 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1286750110 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to install wine1.3 package < 1286750111 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not wine < 1286750114 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the wine1.3 < 1286750164 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1286750180 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the easiest way to switch base repos to use sed? < 1286750189 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to move onto the CSC's, since they're on LAN < 1286750190 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1286750200 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: the easiest way is to use add-apt-repository < 1286750201 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh er < 1286750203 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to swtich them? < 1286750206 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just edit /etc/apt/sources.list < 1286750207 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*switch < 1286750209 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't trust sed < 1286750211 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so sed it is < 1286750241 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you seriously unable to make 4 simple edits without using sed? :p < 1286750248 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more than 4 < 1286750292 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: are you downloading that torrent? < 1286750298 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not connected to me < 1286750305 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am < 1286750342 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: good point. i still don't trust it though. < 1286750355 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: well, it's all pikhq. and others < 1286750358 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not connected to me, loser < 1286750378 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1286750382 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(brb a while) < 1286750399 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1286750430 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: your client won't connect to me :( < 1286750462 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :576x432. *vomit* < 1286750589 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU SUCK AND YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF. < 1286750667 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am running the gnome desktop yet i do not have gnome-core installed < 1286750706 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : you have to install wine1.3 package <-- I read that as win3.1 and then as wine3.1 XD < 1286750715 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it must be one of those wrapper pkgs and i hae the individual pkgs installed < 1286750752 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://zem.fi/~fis/siikajarvi-1.jpg → http://zem.fi/~fis/siikajarvi-2.jpg (May 2010 → Oct 2010; it's not exactly the same place, but at least it's the same lake.) < 1286750783 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1286750786 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm < 1286750798 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the first is familiar < 1286750806 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I've linked to it before. < 1286750811 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably with a different name, though. < 1286750831 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, idea: find one place (preferably close to where you live) and take one panorama from the same place every month. < 1286750834 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be interesting < 1286750857 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, "same place" would have to be "close enough that it looks about the same" < 1286750886 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and obviously it would be awkward doing that if not close to where you live < 1286750905 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what do you think? < 1286750907 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to take panoramas from one well-defined point at each of the four seasons, then align the whole set with panotools, then blend the images together. < 1286750923 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, blend or fuse? < 1286750933 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both would give weird results I bet < 1286750946 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, trees sag if there is a lot of snow < 1286750974 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blend in the sense that one quarter of the image is mostly one season, but that they blend sort-of-seamlessly together. < 1286751006 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To use as a wallpaper in the phone; it has those four horizontally-aligned desktops, with wraparound, and glide from one to another. < 1286751012 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, as for well defined point, surely you can find that? in the intersection above some stone slabs (obviously for roads using such, rather than asphalt) < 1286751044 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be a bit hard to find in the winter though < 1286751044 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I haven't yet found a nice nearby place from where a 360-degree panorama would be pretty. < 1286751066 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, if it is just 4 times / year then it might not need to be *that* close < 1286751078 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how far away is that lake? < 1286751107 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not too far. It's just that I'm rather lazy. < 1286751107 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might work well if you decide on a specific pier (or whatever it is called, is pier just for more fixed ones?) < 1286751125 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. (1) pier, wharf, wharfage, dock -- (a platform built out from the shore into the water and supported by piles; provides access to ships and boats) < 1286751134 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds like it wouldn't apply to a floating one. < 1286751149 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay < 1286751150 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1286751153 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"brygga" < 1286751155 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1286751289 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might work. Though I can't reuse either of those two images; not enough vertical FOV. < 1286751299 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm okay < 1286751314 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, why not enough? < 1286751331 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, you have enough res to fill my screen vertically < 1286751336 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that is more than a phone would have < 1286751351 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm would be rather narrow on a phone < 1286751361 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, btw what irc client do you use on your n900? < 1286751370 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you scale -2 to 3200 pixels of width, the height will be 407 pixels; I need 3200x480. < 1286751389 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, err -2? < 1286751397 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :siikajarvi-2.jpg. < 1286751424 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286751427 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "none"; just the included terminal emulator and openssh. < 1286751439 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286751456 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, which irc client do you use over ssh then? < 1286751463 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irssi. < 1286751470 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1286751489 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I did take a quick look at that weechat thing. < 1286751519 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seemed interesting, but core-dumped just when I got it going. < 1286751538 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to use weechat < 1286751540 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1286751607 0 :antivigilante!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1286751615 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, on your n900? < 1286751645 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I didn't know you had one?) < 1286751719 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just in general, I think. < 1286751727 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a terminaly client too. < 1286751748 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what? no < 1286751800 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did try out the x-chat Maemo port, but it wasn't really much of a port, someone had just compiled it with very minor changes, so it wasn't too mobile-friendly. < 1286751810 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has grown since i last used it, it seems < 1286751910 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have a local irssi on the phone too, but haven't really used it. < 1286751942 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bugs me when i can't find out the license that a project uses in 2 minutes of browsing their website < 1286752024 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, which project? < 1286752037 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: irssi! < 1286752041 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hah < 1286752055 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, there is no apt package for MIT dungeon. I guess because it's not technically free. < 1286752057 0 :fizzien900!~user@iris.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1286752058 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Name : irssi < 1286752058 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Version : 0.8.15-3 < 1286752058 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :URL : http://irssi.org/ < 1286752058 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Licenses : GPL < 1286752062 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what my package manager claims < 1286752065 0 :fizzien900!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, there is a local irssi. < 1286752075 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, that could be any version of GPL < 1286752077 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i eventually had to go to ubuntu to find that out < 1286752090 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, hah < 1286752138 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, took me half a minute to find < 1286752140 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://svn.irssi.org/repos/irssi/trunk/COPYING < 1286752140 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1286752160 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :download -> svn -> irssi -> trunk -> COPYING < 1286752183 0 :antivigilante!~antivigil@174-26-89-10.phnx.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286752190 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, hide it in the sources. < 1286752199 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, this is easier to read in browser (doesn't open download dialog): http://svn.irssi.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/irssi/trunk/COPYING?view=markup&revision=4488&root=irssi < 1286752204 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: "nethack-lisp"? this means what now? < 1286752229 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, what about it? < 1286752236 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it just the emacs interface to nethack? < 1286752244 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1286752250 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be nethack-el? < 1286752262 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that is nethack-el < 1286752273 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus my wonderment at -lisp < 1286752274 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : - nethack-lisp : Lisp window version. < 1286752288 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still not exactly illuminated. < 1286752289 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, I don't have any ubuntu based system turned on atm < 1286752291 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't check < 1286752296 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i'll try it < 1286752312 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, nethack-el depends on nethack-lisp though < 1286752339 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : This package contains the Lisp window version, required < 1286752339 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : for playing Nethack under Emacs. < 1286752351 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, "lisp window" eh? < 1286752355 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what the package description says. < 1286752364 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what it means < 1286752373 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286752385 0 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-94-155-109.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286752393 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, hm? < 1286752399 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weechat! < 1286752402 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286752415 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NetHack has the term "window system" for all the frontends; I guess that's just something lisp-friendly. < 1286752433 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps < 1286752440 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the -el package would have the Emacs-lisp side of it. < 1286752466 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1286752469 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't depend on anything lispy < 1286752475 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Build-Depends: flex, bison, groff-base, debhelper (>= 7), libx11-dev, libxt-dev, libxext-dev, libxmu-dev, bsdmainutils, libxaw7-dev | libxaw-dev, libncurses5-dev | libncurses-dev, libqt3-mt-dev (>= 3:3.3.4-7), dpatch, po-debconf, xfonts-utils < 1286752488 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, why should it? < 1286752491 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow! < 1286752492 0 :antivigilante!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1286752499 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is what you get when you run nethack-lisp: http://pastie.org/1211870 < 1286752502 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ncurses and libxaw? < 1286752510 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't get past that prompt yet < 1286752513 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, hah < 1286752532 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, try one of 1 2 and 1? < 1286752548 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it just exits no matter what i put in < 1286752548 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That's build-depends; it's for building all the frontend packages. < 1286752564 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, true, but stilll < 1286752566 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still* < 1286752568 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks he likes weechat slightly better than irssi
< 1286752571 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it was the build deps I meant < 1286752576 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so it is written in C I presume < 1286752594 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, why not? It only needs to print out sexprs. < 1286752798 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and perhaps parse them < 1286752851 0 :fizzien900!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not if it just prompts for numbers and strings, though. < 1286752867 0 :fizzien900!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops, maybe I should close this. < 1286752880 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzien900, well maybe it wants (93) or such < 1286752883 0 :fizzien900!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: wuup < 1286752895 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey, i didn't try 121.. that does something < 1286752908 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, that's absurd < 1286752922 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, maybe (121 option) ? < 1286752925 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or such < 1286752928 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just 121 < 1286752930 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1286752942 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, maybe 121 is there to identify what it is responding to < 1286752955 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, and what is that "something < 1286752957 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1286752977 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aoops, made it segfault by typing in 105 at a help prompt < 1286752993 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, so what did 121 do? < 1286753020 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: apparentl it meant "y" as it rolled me a character < 1286753083 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh duh < 1286753087 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ascii values i bet < 1286753111 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's sources for both the elisp interface as well as the lisp window system, so you don't really *need* to reverse-engineer it by trial-and-error. < 1286753118 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the key to redraw the screen in nethack? < 1286753137 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to see this thing give me a map < 1286753161 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, why ascii code... you mean it sends it as number? < 1286753170 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(gdb) print 'y' < 1286753171 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$1 = 121 'y' < 1286753174 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm indeed < 1286753175 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: for the prompts, yes. 121=y, etc < 1286753179 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for commands though < 1286753186 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ord y < 1286753186 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :121 < 1286753197 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah didn't know that < 1286753199 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show ord < 1286753199 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>,[[-<+2>[-<+>[-<+>[-<+>[-<+>[-<+>[-<+>[-<+>[-<+>[<[-]+>->+<[<-]]]]]]]]]]>]<2[>+6[<+8>-]<-.[-]<]+32.[-]>>,] < 1286753204 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeargh < 1286753219 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that now < 1286753224 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Decimal output in bf is necessarily a bit yeargh. < 1286753269 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit, a bit < 1286753302 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i give up for now -- the menu prompts want something that i cannot give it and they keep segfaulting < 1286753325 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty cool though < 1286753330 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more games should have lisp interfaces < 1286753447 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, weird that it likes to segfault though < 1286753491 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CLiEnTS sHOUlD bE WRittEn prOPErLY!!. < 1286753495 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, I mean, most programs I would expect would find segfaulting pretty scary! < 1286753503 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : what's the key to redraw the screen in nethack? <--- control-R < 1286753522 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: amazingly, the NetHack windowing system is the only part of the code that's actually documented < 1286753527 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, um, what? < 1286753534 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a file in nethack-3.4.3/doc somewhere that explains the API < 1286753539 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, I didn't mean that at all, why did you assume that! < 1286753593 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, there are actually comments elsewhere in the code < 1286753598 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't really count < 1286753600 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, does that not count as documentation? < 1286753603 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly they don't explain APIs < 1286753608 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but rather other things < 1286753619 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286753619 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, there's the infamous PUT THINGS THAT HAPPEN ONCE PER PLAYER INPUT HERE comment < 1286753628 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh? < 1286753630 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a) completely accurate, and b) followed by things that shouldn't happen once per player input < 1286753634 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, infamous why? < 1286753653 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so what are those things that shouldn't be done there? < 1286753654 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus the docs are correct, but the code is wrong < 1286753659 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: by mistake, presumably < 1286753662 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it leads to the lava time bug < 1286753667 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, not why, what < 1286753676 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286753682 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and possibly also the reverse lava time bug, except that nobody's sure what that one is except the NetHack devteam and they aren't telling < 1286753684 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, fixed in next release maybe? < 1286753688 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course... < 1286753699 0 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-24-19-39-178.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286753700 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and would the reverse one be exploitable? < 1286753722 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also how soon do you think next release would be? < 1286753723 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : C343-231, fixed: Time is distorted while sinking into lava. < 1286753724 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a few years? < 1286753727 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's on the list of exploitable bugs < 1286753733 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just nobody knows what it is < 1286753736 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and next release? who knows < 1286753757 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, we won't see the fixed code until then < 1286753775 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, so we can't figure the bug that way < 1286753776 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a poll in the wiki. < 1286753782 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and even then, it may have been fixed with a rewrite...) < 1286753786 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, esolang wiki? < 1286753789 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, or nethack one? < 1286753795 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikia NetHack < 1286753804 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what is the poll about? < 1286753816 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikia one; on when the next release will be. < 1286753837 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all just guesses, and not very serious ones, of course. < 1286753844 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you mean that they would rewrite just to hide what the bug was? < 1286753852 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rewrite for other reasons? < 1286753867 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1286753880 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: one of the theories for the lateness is that they tried a rewrite and screwed up the code somehow < 1286753883 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and are unwilling to revert it all < 1286753919 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, is it just the lava thing that happens in that place and shouldn't? < 1286753921 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or other stuff too? < 1286753930 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just lava, I think < 1286753947 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that, or lava plus something which has effects so subtle it isn't even obviously a bug, which wouldn't surprise me < 1286753955 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still, the lava one is pretty bug < 1286753956 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*big < 1286753958 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, both < 1286753970 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can die by sinking into lava just by viewing your inventory... < 1286754005 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm not sure what to change it to to fix the bug; once per time-consuming action, or once per monster turn) < 1286754013 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there's a flavour justification for either) < 1286754042 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, is there a difference between those? < 1286754056 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, say the player's wearing fireproof speed boots < 1286754065 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also, can monsters sink in lava? < 1286754072 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more dramatically, suppose the player falls asleep < 1286754072 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Why did I assume what? < 1286754082 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :monster lava handling is rather simpler, either they instadie, or they're immune < 1286754087 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286754103 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, that I meant the code should be properly written < 1286754113 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, catseye, I mean, most programs I would expect would find segfaulting pretty scary! < 1286754136 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is quite a different reason behind it < 1286754140 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, night → < 1286754727 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286754771 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286754802 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : alise: your client won't connect to me :( < 1286754803 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1286754810 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286754850 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286755014 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1286755080 0 :oklopol!~oklopol@xdsl-83-150-123-242.nebulazone.fi JOIN :#esoteric