< 1286755337 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(: < 1286755603 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1286755643 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1286756158 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-237-180.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286756165 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 VSTi's < 1286756179 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Op. 11 string quartet is starting to sound actually GOOD! < 1286756255 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps it'd sound better if you blackmailed a string quartet. < 1286756263 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would of course. < 1286756271 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I have no blackmail on string quartets :P < 1286756356 0 :Harpyon!~Harpyon@ti0031a380-0251.bb.online.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1286756590 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. So, my high school had two Japanese teachers. One was fluent in Japanese. The other had once been in Japan for a couple of weeks. < 1286756597 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which one do you think they fired? Go on, guess. < 1286756719 0 :Harpyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both? < 1286756722 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fluent one has to be payed more because he's more skilled. < 1286756726 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore, he should be fired. < 1286756731 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because firing him saves more money. < 1286756740 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the same reason why you cut music instead of PE. < 1286756758 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and the guy who had once been in Japan was fluent in German. < 1286756771 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does he teach German too? < 1286756772 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess what language he no longer teaches! < 1286756778 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: He did. < 1286756780 0 :Harpyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :german! < 1286756848 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then they don't have to pay him as a skilled German teacher, only a unskilled Japanese teacher :P < 1286756897 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I get to wince at the idea of students taking a year to learn kana. < 1286756962 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(KANA IS FREAKING EASY) < 1286757067 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5e/Kana_chart.png Do you think it should take a year to learn this? < 1286757087 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286757089 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me? < 1286757091 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would take me decades. < 1286757107 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I highly doubt that. < 1286757120 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you underestimate my inability to learn foreign languages. < 1286757128 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also my ability to correctly use subtle double-negatives. < 1286757138 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This has very little with foreign languages per se. < 1286757141 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just orthography. < 1286757153 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By which I mean "little doodles on paper". < 1286757173 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I highly doubt you have an actual inability to learn foreign languages. < 1286757185 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just an inability to put up with the bullshit that is your typical foreign language course. < 1286757214 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will soon have an upload of op. 11 string quartet I actually like. < 1286757219 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ... I don't even know how this is possible. < 1286757270 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, foreign language classes usually *suck ass*. < 1286757313 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(see Engrish for details) < 1286757517 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that statement demeans ass-suckers everywhere. < 1286757552 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why yes, yes it does. < 1286757558 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So - there are 3 partitions. The recovery partition is it's own partition. The Windows partition is fux0red and I want to re-install it. Ubuntu is on the 3rd. Ubunto also has all the stuff I copied over from the non-bootable Windows partition, AND the R part of the DVD-R is broken, AND I don't have enough flash drive to put all of that stuff on. < 1286757588 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: And? < 1286757593 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The recovery program warns me it will wipe out 'drive C:'. I hope this means the WIndows partition. ANd that it leaves partition #3 alone. < 1286757606 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does not. < 1286757610 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It means the entire disk. < 1286757612 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guarantee you this. < 1286757624 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guarantee it with my Super-Pessimism Powers < 1286757624 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including itself? I don't think THAT is the case. < 1286757707 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, not itself :P < 1286757710 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, I KNOW it's not the case, as I've used it before. but I didn't have anything on the 3rd partition at the time, so I don;t know what happens there) < 1286757717 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it probably reinitializes the partition table to its saved default. < 1286757847 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1286757853 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Let's see if I can't get this bitch of a game running. < 1286757870 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Whooo. < 1286757894 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Groan. < 1286757906 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: The "original" disc is the Sold-Out rerelease. Which is alright. < 1286757908 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But. < 1286757911 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not original :P < 1286757916 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it does have the exact original installer on it. < 1286757918 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that's okay. < 1286757927 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's at least something that was put on a disc at one point, though. < 1286757939 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So was the Russian monstrosity. < 1286757963 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something *sane* that was put on disc. < 1286758001 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMGOMGOMG < 1286758011 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: WOOT FULLSCREEN INSTALLER < 1286758011 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is sooooo good. < 1286758011 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 VSTi's so much < 1286758012 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Fails to start) < 1286758025 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: do not worry! < 1286758030 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have SCIENCE on my side. < 1286758134 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: The installer starts! < 1286758143 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh man this is the one with the radioactive hazard sign on the sheep. < 1286758147 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(...just a graphic when it installs.) < 1286758166 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lawl, it installs so quickly that you barely see it. < 1286758318 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/tmp/GRegor-op11-StringQuartet-VSTi-2010-10-10.ogg < 1286758428 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Now I just gotta get NoCD working and see about DirectDraw. < 1286758457 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worms: Armageddon v3.6.29.0 Beta [EURO] No-CD/Fixed EXE #2 < 1286758459 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worms: Armageddon v3.6.29.0 Beta [EURO] No-CD/Fixed EXE #1 < 1286758461 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I LIKE HOW IT DOESN'T DISTINGUISH THEM < 1286758779 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: status update? < 1286758790 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I have it almost working! < 1286758797 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just need to find an updated DirectDraw and I'll have a complete guide. < 1286758812 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a win7 one. That's probably wrong, right? < 1286758822 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Dude, I gave you a direct link to a torrent. < 1286758825 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the *only one* that will work. < 1286758833 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I mean the directdraw dll < 1286758834 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Hmm. Need a Windows DirectDraw? < 1286758836 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, me and pikhq gave you a link to the same torrent simultaneously, right after you asked. < 1286758839 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: oh < 1286758842 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no < 1286758844 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it's a patched WINE one < 1286758854 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry, i got this under control :P < 1286758869 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[madewokherd has stopped updating ddraw.dll for new Wine versions. Instead, he recommends to: grab the patch attached to wine bug 2082, apply the wined3d part, build wine (if someone wants to precompile them, wined3d.dll can presumably be dropped in like ddraw was, but the wined3d api changes often), set DirectDrawRenderer to "gdi"]] < 1286758872 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO FUCK YOU < 1286758877 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaaw. Windows DirectDraw is so much easier to get. < 1286758891 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: hey friend < 1286758892 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wanna compile wine?! < 1286758901 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No thanks. < 1286758913 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: but you were going to anyway :P < 1286758920 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I compiled wine yesterday. < 1286758934 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I compiled it once today. That's enough. < 1286758939 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: With that specific patch? < 1286758957 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bugs2.winehq.org/attachment.cgi?id=17739 < 1286758959 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look how small it is! < 1286758961 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look! < 1286758965 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU JUST WANT TO COMPILE IT < 1286758969 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'course not! < 1286759031 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, how come it works fullscreen but not in a window. < 1286759051 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Works") < 1286759101 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gaaaaaaad, from 5:30 on it's totally real. < 1286759102 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS IS MAGIC < 1286759102 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DARK MAGIC < 1286759110 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The good kind) < 1286759120 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Compile Wine. < 1286759141 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: The good kind of dark magic, i.e. light magic. < 1286759143 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pooppy can't solve all your problems! < 1286759166 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: RACIST < 1286759179 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: You just told me not to do that < 1286759192 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: In this case, there's an excellent reason to. < 1286759196 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: *Not* to use the created Wine. < 1286759200 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But for one specific DLL. < 1286759202 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: My goodness, it sounds like music. < 1286759212 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: q1) Must I apply that patch? < 1286759222 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I KNOW < 1286759226 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :q2) Give me the necessary git commands to checkout the repo version and I'll do it < 1286759227 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: You must. Hey wait, I have an idea. < 1286759230 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"> Here is compiled wined3d.dll.so for wine 1.2 with this patch. Enjoy!" < 1286759231 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Synthesised, to be sure, but... Good. < 1286759233 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.2 is almost 1.3, right? < 1286759235 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me try that one. < 1286759236 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The section from 7min is downright haunting. < 1286759244 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your mom is downright haunting < 1286759248 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: ... Wait, you're needing d3d.dll? < 1286759258 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: if it doesn't work, I repeat my comment about git < 1286759259 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: wined3d.dll. PATCHED. < 1286759261 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A specific patch. < 1286759273 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Actually IMHO the main reason it's noticeably synthesized is the usual synth "too perfect" problem. < 1286759289 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0% [ ] 13,820 3.02K/s eta 11m 13s < 1286759292 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay two meg files that take five years to download < 1286759293 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Also, the high bit kinda sucks. < 1286759294 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh now it's sped up < 1286759299 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Any reason the real d3d.dll won't work? < 1286759306 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Because it's a hacky patch that breaks most things. < 1286759310 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tl;dr wine is shit, this hack fixes it < 1286759314 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You mean the solo violin held note? < 1286759322 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yeah, it's awful :P < 1286759332 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But everything surrounding that is awesome! X-P < 1286759334 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Sounds more like a viola. But yeah. < 1286759340 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!userinterps < 1286759342 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Installed user interpreters: aol austro b1ff bc bct bfbignum brit brooklyn bypass_ignore bytes chaos chef chiqrsx9p choo cockney ctcp dc decisionengine drawl drome dubya echo eehird ehird fudd funetak google graph gregor he hello id jethro kraut num ook pansy pi pirate plot postmodern postmodern_aoler redneck reverse rot13 sadbf sfedeesh sffedeesh sffffedeesh sffffffffedeesh simpleacro slashes svedeesh swedish valspeak warez yodawg < 1286759366 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sfedeesh BLACK MAGIC < 1286759373 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BLECK MEGIC < 1286759473 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree, it sounds a bit more realstruments < 1286759496 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: < 1286759498 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ibiblio.org/pub/linux/system/emulators/wine/wine-1.3.4.tar.bz2 < 1286759503 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apply this patch: http://bugs2.winehq.org/attachment.cgi?id=17739 < 1286759505 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :build < 1286759525 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and extract wined3d.dll(maybe .so after that) < 1286759529 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Upload it somewhere < 1286759531 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rejoice < 1286759556 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: This is reminding me once again that you make awesome music. :P < 1286759709 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: :| < 1286759777 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Also, how goes Opus 13 Movement 2? < 1286759802 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I can't play it 8'( < 1286759806 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: are you actually doing that? :P < 1286759815 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I make the "final" recording I like to actually play it through, no severe edits, properly. < 1286759824 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every time I've tried, I've screwed up horribly somewhere. < 1286759831 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It makes me go "argh" < 1286759832 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Aaaaaw. < 1286759840 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU NEED BETTER HANDS < 1286759854 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Ping coppro. < 1286759882 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: CONSIDER THYSELF PIN < 1286759891 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: CONSIDER THYSELF PINGÉD < 1286759911 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider thyself the pin thou art. < 1286759964 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How pin þou art. < 1286760025 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: You know, your only hope of getting this guide today is to do that :P < 1286760026 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You do it. < 1286760063 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Oh, fine, fine. < 1286760066 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"[NEXT CONTEST] What will THIS post's point count be midnight on Monday? Winner gets free copy of TF2, Minecraft, or donation satisfaction." < 1286760068 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GET < 1286760068 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE < 1286760068 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK < 1286760070 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OFF < 1286760070 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY < 1286760071 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :REDDIT < 1286760074 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: < 1286760075 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://ibiblio.org/pub/linux/system/emulators/wine/wine-1.3.4.tar.bz2 < 1286760076 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Apply this patch: http://bugs2.winehq.org/attachment.cgi?id=17739 < 1286760078 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : build < 1286760080 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : and extract wined3d.dll(maybe .so after that) < 1286760082 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Upload it somewhere < 1286760084 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Rejoice < 1286760095 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note: Do not use the resulting compilation; that patch is evil and it breaks more applications than it fixes. < 1286760101 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is useful solely for the extraction. < 1286760138 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :./configure&&make -j3, away! < 1286760165 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dang, that is one evil patch. < 1286760167 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You trust wine with -j3? < 1286760173 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I treat Wine like nuclear waste. < 1286760175 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is VOLATILE. < 1286760190 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is possibly one of the most perverse pieces of software ever. < 1286760202 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We'll soon see if I shouldn't. < 1286760211 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Let's clean-room rewrite an entire, crufty, backwards-compatible-to-the-80s operating system's entire library base! For Linux!" < 1286760220 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Also, let's handle all the crazy direct hardware shit it has too!" < 1286760224 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TEN YEARS LATER < 1286760231 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH OH GOD WHAT IS THIS" < 1286760250 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I like how it doesn't even bother dedenting the block. < 1286760258 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just, like, "yeah, sure, whatever, {...} is perfectly valid." < 1286760305 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I find it quite impressive that it actually supports *all* the Win16 stuff. < 1286760308 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, perfectly. < 1286760333 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I basically wish Windows software would go away so I don't have to be scared by Wine. < 1286760341 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not my kind of program. < 1286760362 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wine is the single hackiest thing I know of. < 1286760373 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Especially its Win16 support on x86_64. < 1286760382 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More hacky than Windows itself? ;) < 1286760398 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never run Wine < 1286760401 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yes. < 1286760401 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOUNDS LIKE FUN < 1286760415 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Windows API at least makes some sort of sense in a kernel, on bare hardware. < 1286760433 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It relies upon how no published Win16 program actually *used* its ability to write on all memory. < 1286760451 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, it runs Win16 programs in actual protected mode. < 1286760476 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16-bit protected mode. < 1286760505 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :visions of sugarplums dance in my head! < 1286760510 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty great on an OS that has no 16-bit binary support itself. < 1286760532 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it convinces the Linux kernel to set up the segment table *just* right on the wineserver process) < 1286760583 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On 32-bit Linux, it just does the whole psuedo-real mode thing and traps the interrupts. Just like everything newer than Windows 3.0 does for Win16 and DOS. < 1286760675 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: This is why Wine scares me. < 1286760713 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: And yet its Win16 support is the least hackish bit. < 1286760732 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because most of the behavior (and essentially all of the relevant behavior) is actually known. < 1286760776 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: How goes that compilation? < 1286760813 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: So, um. This wined3d.dll.so. I hope it doesn't need to go in the system install of WINE. < 1286760864 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It does not. < 1286760869 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: filebin.ca if you have it < 1286760882 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going. < 1286760898 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to go in about six minutes, so yeah, quickness is nice. < 1286760898 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone tried some kind of qemu hybrid, where the program is run in qemu, but the wm is intercepted so that X displayed the windows? < 1286760930 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uploading. < 1286760938 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: that's called qemu + vnc server or whatever < 1286760941 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or remote X < 1286760954 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wondering if it'll cooperate. < 1286760982 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uploading at... Slow. < 1286761010 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: so that would act like wine, where i could run windows apps in X? < 1286761010 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: How big's it? < 1286761012 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, stop that torrent. < 1286761017 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: 5MB < 1286761024 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Very slowly and with little to no keyboard integration. < 1286761026 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1286761028 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clipboard. < 1286761037 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 kbps; should be a couple minutes. < 1286761037 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Hurry uuup I have to go and I'd like to make sure it works first. < 1286761040 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool, I must try it < 1286761040 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Closest you'll get is VirtualBox's "seamless" (is that the name?) mode. < 1286761047 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, closest you'll get without X forwarding. < 1286761070 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seamless mode sucks. < 1286761073 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got a game in my cereal box and I want to run it lol < 1286761076 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does. < 1286761082 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just makes the desktop transparent. < 1286761095 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parallels' seamless mode is ebtter < 1286761097 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's a mac thing. < 1286761101 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote I got a game in my cereal box and I want to run it lol < 1286761123 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'm already totally late at sleeping my friend, do not taunt happy fun Worms player. < 1286761124 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: http://filebin.ca/gsmdxg/wined3d.dll.so < 1286761125 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :238| I got a game in my cereal box and I want to run it lol < 1286761126 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: ... wtf? < 1286761134 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: wtf? < 1286761150 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Also, wine. It's, y'know, the topic of conversation here for the last day X-P < 1286761157 0 :Harpyon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1286761165 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah wine failed me :( < 1286761174 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the game wanted 16-bit color mode < 1286761185 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It almost works! < 1286761187 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Menu works it crashes. < 1286761190 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: what kind of cereal are YOU eating? < 1286761201 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: store brand, believe it or not < 1286761209 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you get this game in a cereal box fifteen years ago? < 1286761252 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Everything but playing an actual game works. < 1286761260 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Balls. < 1286761269 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copyright on the disc is 2005 < 1286761277 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got it a few weeks ago < 1286761279 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Do not despair! I will get it working. < 1286761297 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: My current great-great terrible idea is to compile wine <1.0, which I know to have worked in the past. < 1286761312 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But hey, it logs into WormNET. < 1286761342 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it? < 1286761344 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure. < 1286761349 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does! Err... < 1286761353 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't look like WormNET. < 1286761368 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: btw how does a vnc server help.. wouldn't that just show the entire desktop, same as regular qemu? < 1286761375 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: well. < 1286761377 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X forwarding < 1286761382 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but windows doesn't do X < 1286761386 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's a game it won't be in a window anyway < 1286761394 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg use webex NO < 1286761431 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat xD < 1286761445 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Well, you know what? < 1286761453 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'll have a guide and something working by tomorrow. < 1286761456 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks for your help. < 1286761461 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vnc-like (-based?) conferencing tool < 1286761487 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tends to freak out when two users are both "the presenter" < 1286761497 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinite recursion of desktop display < 1286761553 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like such recursion. < 1286761559 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and pointing cameras at their display < 1286761568 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight. < 1286761570 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye. < 1286761573 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1286762062 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://codu.org/music/op11/GRegor-op11-StringQuartet.flac Quell thy FLACitude. < 1286762758 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main> gParse "SIIKK" < 1286762760 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Pair S (Pair I (Pair I (Pair K K))),"") < 1286762762 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WRONG. < 1286762786 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is quite a bit trickier than the actual reduction part, it seems < 1286762914 0 :cimon!~cimon@wikipedia/Cimon-avaro JOIN :#esoteric < 1286763747 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main> kParse "SSIIK" < 1286763748 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Pair (Pair (Pair (Pair S S) I) I) K,[]) < 1286763757 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better! DOesn't handle parens yet though. < 1286763975 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTML5 Audio should have a "pipe raw audio here" function. < 1286763991 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you could write decoders in JS and not be stuck to a format. < 1286764288 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main> kParse "SS(IIK)" < 1286764289 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Pair (Pair S S) (Pair (Pair I I) K),"") < 1286764291 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w00t < 1286764381 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/1212086 <-- my awful code < 1286764446 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, cpressey: Is there a reason you're having an identity crisis? < 1286764465 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1286764465 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286764470 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1286764473 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1286764487 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: the reason is weechat < 1286764692 0 :cimon!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1286764704 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously we didn't excite cimon too much :P < 1286764746 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadness < 1286764759 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ten again, esoteria can alienate the normal and benign < 1286764779 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, those who don't like madness or tentacles, c.f. Cthulhu < 1286764782 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eleven again. < 1286764822 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :twoche < 1286764828 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Spelling deliberate) < 1286764842 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Threede! < 1286764854 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Four shame. < 1286764856 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Obscure Spanish pun intentional) < 1286764871 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of my favourite chunks of The Goon Show < 1286764876 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Touche < 1286764878 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Threeche < 1286764879 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sabrina < 1286764883 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All: HOORAY! < 1286765243 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It's a fast, statically typed, compiled language that feels like a dynamically typed, interpreted language." < 1286765257 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... it's actually not a very nice feeling... < 1286765300 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to check out Plof instead. < 1286765518 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is a runtime defined language. :) < 1286765581 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which FEELS like a runtime defined languag! < 1286765587 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*language < 1286765598 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did, until I just got the error message, "Cast failed < 1286765720 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh Gregor makin' me install autoconf < 1286765760 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you download plof3, or Fythe? < 1286765836 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: hg clone https://codu.org/projects/plof/hg/ plof < 1286765842 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you recomment Fythe instead? < 1286765847 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*d < 1286765848 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No(t yet) < 1286765862 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plof3 works, Fythe is but the fevered dream of a madman :P < 1286765881 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Fythe has working parts. < 1286765898 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: configure.ac:7: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE < 1286765906 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love the "possibly" < 1286765921 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Don't blame autoconf on the fact that you don't have automake installed :P < 1286765925 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT MAY OR MAY NOT BE IN THE SYMBOL TABLE. i can't be arsed to check < 1286765939 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'snot a symbol table, 's a macro expansion. < 1286765951 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That message means "This looks like it's probably a macro" < 1286765951 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :automake is already the newest version. < 1286765962 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sez apt-get instal < 1286765971 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then somehow autoconf and automake aren't happy with each other. < 1286765975 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What command did you use? autoreconf? < 1286765981 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay Ubuntu yay < 1286765984 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :autoconf < 1286765991 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's your problem. < 1286765992 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use autoreconf < 1286765993 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :autoreconf < 1286766006 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an autoREconf? oh fuck computers are amazing < 1286766036 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :autoreconf, in spite of its poor name, is a frontend for the whole autosuite. < 1286766042 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa I have a configure script now < 1286766080 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it doesn't know if it's a macro or what, the message should be "possiblE undefined macro". < 1286766092 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1286766096 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed it should. < 1286766143 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"or maybe you are write stupid code in your .ac and will face FULL LIFE CONSEQUENCES!" < 1286766203 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :error: possibly undefined macro: FULL_LIFE_CONSEQUENCES < 1286766270 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, you might enjoy Fythe, when/iff it exists :P < 1286766287 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I have it built, but make install didn < 1286766294 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't install a binary? or < 1286766303 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Binary name is cplof < 1286766327 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok found it! ha < 1286766432 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :output is line buffered i see < 1286766454 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: how do I find out what methods Stdin supports? < 1286766463 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1286766480 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#1 stupid problem of picking up a language: the common operations always have their own names < 1286766487 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and interfaces < 1286766500 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Stdout.write (Stdin) < 1286766502 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cast failed < 1286766517 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" actually seems pretty close to the "non-repeating sequence <-> unbounded storage" thing... to have a non-self-similar fractal, you essentially need a non-repeating sequence" <<< almost all sequences are non-repeating with the usual measure < 1286766526 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Stdin * 2 < 1286766527 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Variable opMul undefined. < 1286766538 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it does NOT support multiplication. OK! < 1286766566 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yes. but almost all sequences can't be generated. < 1286766612 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Welcome to the universe! It's mostly chaos! And YOU CAN'T HAVE ANY." < 1286766672 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact let's prove that: a periodic sequence will have the period n for some n, {x | x has period n} is a finite set, so it has zero measure with a nontrivial measure; therefore the union as n goes to infinity will also have zero measure by subadditivity < 1286766736 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the original question hung on whether any of these non-self-similar (or even uncomputable, let's extend it to) things had fractional dimension (i.e. were fractals); i don't see why not but have no way to show it < 1286766800 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i couldn't find the original < 1286766800 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1286766887 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well clearly you can just change one point and make it non-self-similar < 1286766915 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fractal as a R^n right? < 1286766948 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1286766950 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it was Phantom_Hoover who brought it up. Not sure exactly what he had in mind (since there are a couple of ways to define fractal measures, iirc) < 1286766952 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*subset of < 1286766962 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i just know hausdorff dimension < 1286767082 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you partition into sets S, compute x^d's where d is your dimension and x \in S, and sum up < 1286767087 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|{x | x has period n}| = ω < 1286767089 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably all the details are wrong < 1286767097 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1286767110 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh do we have an infinite alphabet < 1286767112 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not infinite but it's... not finite either < 1286767119 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, finite alphabet < 1286767125 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but n can go as large as you like < 1286767130 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then |A|^n < 1286767157 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no n is fixed; if it's not, then the set is countably infinite < 1286767170 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(why countably?) < 1286767171 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh n is fixed < 1286767188 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok < 1286767224 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i woke up at 5 am so i could do my homework < 1286767235 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should consider doing that < 1286767246 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless there's more math to do here < 1286767252 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least i'm checking hausdorff measure < 1286767299 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286767375 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you take the infimum over all such covers where all diameters are smaller than a delta, and THEN you let delta go to zero < 1286767433 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the function delta -> this thing is increasing because less ways to cover are permitted < 1286767480 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then comes in le magic: turns out just one d value can give you a nontrivial measure for any set (iirc) < 1286767498 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1286767509 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more checking < 1286767523 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no math to do here! < 1286767538 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh erm < 1286767551 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly adventure games disguised as math < 1286767558 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trickery! < 1286767559 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so what i said was correct, but what i meant was not, lucky me for using such vague language < 1286767650 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or actually i guess i meant roughly correctly too < 1286767661 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaanyway it's pretty cool this stuff here < 1286767691 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean that would mean ANY metric space has a w.d. hausdorff dimension < 1286767859 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SERIOUSLY HOW COOL IS THAT?!? < 1286767870 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on people get excited < 1286767901 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm as excited as my understanding of the material allows! < 1286767951 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" oh n is fixed" <<< union as n goes to infinity meant \union_{n->infty} {x | x has period n}, so it should have been clear n was fixed! < 1286767972 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was jumping ahead! < 1286767980 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfft understanding, you don't have to understand when you have a definition < 1286768209 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why is this an outer measure... obviously empty set has measure zero, obviously subadditive using the usual 1/2^n proof, obviously monotone because same covers work for smaller set, and... wait that was all :D < 1286768269 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :monotone being A subset B => m(A) <= m(B), subadd. being m(A union B) <= m(A) + m(B) but for countable unions instead of just two < 1286768308 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are we discussting here? < 1286768314 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like interesting math < 1286768337 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :measures of sets of periodic sequences, I *think* < 1286768381 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1286768398 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gets back to proving things about the divisibility of the Mersenne numbers
< 1286768432 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 1/2^n proof is as follows: sum of all e/2^n is just e, so if A = union {A_n}, for any e, we take covers for A_n such that the cover of A_i is of size at most m(A_i) + e/2^i, this is possible because m(A_i) is defined as an infimum over all covers, so you can get arbitrarily close; then you sum up you get a cover for A that's at most e bigger than sum_{i->infty} {m(A_i)} < 1286768445 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and we do this for each delta separately ofc < 1286768474 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deltas being that weird number we used in the definition of hd measure < 1286768479 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one that goes to zero < 1286768490 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-s < 1286768510 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: no now i'm just proving random things. < 1286768591 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i proved was that the hausdorff measure is an "outer measure", which is almost a measure but a bit less demanding < 1286768713 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and an outer measure is actually really simple to get, because they arise from almost any kind of covering definition < 1286768808 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1286769640 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay 10 pm on arbitrarily-numbered dat < 1286769642 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*day < 1286769994 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 5 minute's it will be 10:10 oh boy oh boy can't wait < 1286770005 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get a better time zone, you. < 1286770395 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn,missed it < 1286770416 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1286770426 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will come again in... A THOUSAND YEARS? < 1286770436 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a hundred < 1286770440 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending < 1286770581 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, a much better day will come in a year and a month and a day and an hour and a minute and a second. < 1286770626 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get your time machine. < 1286770649 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION fetches his. Gets 3600 seconds/hour!
< 1286770670 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reverse is broken, though. < 1286770717 0 :antivigilante!~antivigil@ip98-177-157-69.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286770732 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1286770732 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep-fried_pizza I LOVE YOU SCOTLAND < 1286770739 0 :cal153!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286770821 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A common accompanying beverage is Irn-Bru, a carbonated soft drink." < 1286770824 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'VE HAD THAT! < 1286770829 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION prouds
< 1286770860 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it contains three different artificial sweeteners, if memory serves) < 1286770964 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286772187 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so i told him if he can't get his penis to behave, they're just gonna have to make him pay extra < 1286772308 0 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286772328 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he just kept on sticking that thing everywhere, and i mean EVERYWHERE < 1286772724 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o mai < 1286772728 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sticks it in oklopol
< 1286772889 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll respond when someone joins. < 1286772899 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WELL I GUESS YOU JUST DID HUH < 1286772902 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1286772907 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :joined my virtual ass < 1286772923 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless i misunderstood < 1286772998 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fags < 1286773017 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not very nice < 1286773023 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apologize < 1286773031 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to whom? < 1286773035 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fags < 1286773040 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me and lament < 1286773051 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that guy i aws talking about < 1286773053 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*was < 1286773059 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yourself, apparently. < 1286773061 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, fags < 1286773077 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The anthropomorphic cigarettes of the world forgive you. < 1286773096 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did lament have to apologize to himself? < 1286773113 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : apologize to whom? me and lament < 1286773116 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't apologize to myself < 1286773119 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1286773120 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1286773123 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i apologized to fags < 1286773136 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then why *and* < 1286773144 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i already mentioned him < 1286773284 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's right < 1286773286 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you lost < 1286773295 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i wan < 1286773329 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was distracted by imagining you-slash-augur. < 1286773337 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(With the emphasis on the slash) < 1286773345 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: please apologize to GreaseMonkey < 1286773347 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: so was i < 1286773349 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aeroihg < 1286773351 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Gregor < 1286773416 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1286773428 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suggest you set your tab complete on "most recent" < 1286773438 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: You have committed the crime of having your nick start with 'Gr' :P < 1286773545 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: i would never do that, because it's not possible for someone to be stupid enough to make an irc client that uses alphabetical order < 1286773550 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd be wasting my time < 1286773577 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what GreaseMonkey erm Gregor said < 1286773600 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my dog seems to find braindrill interesting < 1286773616 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it just wants to poop < 1286773670 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286773674 0 :augur_!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286773952 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weechat's tab complete seems to default to 'most recent' < 1286773989 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xchat's is ... weird. < 1286773993 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o[tab] = oklopol < 1286774003 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c[tab] = it gives a disambiguation list and doesn't complete at all < 1286774014 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o[tab][tab] = olsner, for what it's worth < 1286774017 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but the first in my list is catseye < 1286774024 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: HI YOU TOTALLY WANTED TO BE PINGED < 1286774125 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how do I find that one Chopin tune I really like < 1286774137 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was in a ST:TNG episode once! < 1286774141 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's all I remember < 1286774150 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can probably find it from that < 1286774158 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you can hum it and send me a recording < 1286774170 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's not Noc. 20, and not Op. 9, i know that much now < 1286774206 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Hit Memory Alpha. < 1286774209 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Chopin < 1286774219 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You see? < 1286774225 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was background music, though < 1286774237 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THUS, NON CANONABLE < 1286774238 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaaaw. < 1286774338 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll just have to borrow a compilation of his etudes from the library again < 1286774357 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just note that I'm the very model of a modern major general. < 1286774399 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Chopin's second set of Études was published in 1837, and dedicated to Franz Liszt's mistress, Marie d'Agoult, the reasons for which are a matter of speculation." < 1286774403 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes well < 1286774415 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :speculate away! < 1286774498 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Threesomes. < 1286774510 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The obvious conclusion! < 1286774543 0 :flippo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, also get the Ballades, Preludes, and Nocturnes to be safe < 1286774551 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flippo: I' < 1286774568 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm *pretty* sure I encountered it in his etudes. Not 100% sure, so, yes. < 1286774578 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And WP does seem to have them all. < 1286774606 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's audio is not working for me now < 1286774621 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*its < 1286774628 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1286774675 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh man. < 1286774806 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etudes: are they supposed to be difficult to play, or enjoyable? i guess both. < 1286774880 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both < 1286774917 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. IPv6 makes mobile IP not suck. < 1286774929 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that one can have a roaming IP address. < 1286775040 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simple puzzle: 6x6 grid, you're given domino tiles {(0, 0), (0, 1)} and {(0, 0), (1, 0)}, and you need to fill the grid in such a way that any line through the interior of the grid intersects a domino; possible? < 1286775222 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i initially thought it was trivial, but took me ages to actually find concrete proof < 1286775233 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at least a minute) < 1286775262 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i) < 1286775271 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i'm not comfortable giving an upper bound) < 1286775275 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in mobile IPv4, packets to a roaming IP go to where they normally would be routed, and then those packets get wrapped and sent to the actual IP of the host by the "home agent". In IPv6, it works much the same except that every router is a home agent, and hosts are *expected* to be able to just wrap the packets themselves.) < 1286775474 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the internet is such a mess < 1286775539 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Retrofit on retrofit. < 1286775567 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and shit hits the fan in a few months. Can't forget that. < 1286775603 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what sense < 1286775648 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IPv4 addresses all gone. < 1286775656 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! cool < 1286775685 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate the real world, all things should be designed from scratch, never on top of old stuff. i wish there was a god. < 1286775692 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1286775711 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1286775716 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be fair, IPv6 has a lot of it designed from scratch. < 1286775726 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it's pretty divine < 1286775814 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i could not find it amongst the etudes, so maybe it is a nocturne. I do like this one though: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89tude_Op._25,_No._11_(Chopin) and no. 6 is also nice < 1286775853 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=124PxX6XPCM&feature=related i like this one < 1286775880 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously though i don't really get this music, yet at least < 1286775961 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's boring and crappy < 1286775975 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well this song is pretty simple < 1286775979 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a good example < 1286775984 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"death metal so pungent it made my laptop reboot" < 1286775987 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well almost < 1286775993 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saved it by fiddling with the power cord < 1286776016 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: you can actually tell that's random and not just complicated? < 1286776032 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would save my time! < 1286776047 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1286776074 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you just think it's really simple? < 1286776087 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's simple < 1286776090 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first riff is a pretty standard thing but i don't get the latter half < 1286776135 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Liferea, you suck at podcasts SO HARD < 1286776142 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some tech metal is really complicated, this is not it < 1286776147 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good rhythm fux0ring is hard to do well. i still think it's hard to beat Rush < 1286776153 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hmm. He double-clicked on the file for a podcast. Let's *delete it and redownload it*." < 1286776204 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the part after :40 sounds completely random to me < 1286776208 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a while < 1286776279 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes with "Fuck you, I'll try compiling Miro."
< 1286776294 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'll try sleeping < 1286776296 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night < 1286776300 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n < 1286776321 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1286776456 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: you don't happen to remember names of complicated tech bands? i chose this one because it's considered really insane. < 1286776470 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no :( < 1286776480 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't listen to metal < 1286776487 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know < 1286776538 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that first riff sounds like someone added whitenoise to dimmu borgir < 1286776564 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: You should. < 1286776595 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :life is too short to listen to all the music in the world < 1286776596 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: what do you think of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5_GzuM7ZiU ? < 1286776609 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one even i get < 1286776611 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why you should be immortal. < 1286776615 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, only the good music. < 1286776617 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's nice < 1286776622 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?o < 1286776624 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asfdoig < 1286776628 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1286776628 0 :myndzi\!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : | < 1286776628 0 :myndzi\!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/´\ < 1286776670 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :faceless is one of the few bands of this type i actually get, and still find them good < 1286776682 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually it's hours of listening and then realizing ah, it was crap all along < 1286776794 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i think i listen to this stuff because of the wrong reasons, because the same people who listen to these sensible ones listen to ones where you repeat the same riff for 5 minutes and the singer has a REALLY COOL GROWL. < 1286776807 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should get better friends < 1286777498 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1286777535 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah... Ocassionally this way too: "A is the best predictor for B". Yeah, probably, since B is _known_ to _cause_ A. < 1286777590 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and guess what field of "science" the example of this I ran into was from?) < 1286777738 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't mean that A is the best predictor for B, since that statement alone doesn't say that nothing else causes A. < 1286777847 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286777890 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/ < 1286777891 0 :myndzi\!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :     ¦  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | < 1286777891 0 :myndzi\!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    ´¸¨ |\/<  |\/|  |\/< /|  >\/`\ < 1286778709 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :It is the nineties and there is time for esoteric topics in computing and programming languages. | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1286779199 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaand the Miro ebuild is the single most broken thing ever. < 1286779208 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It essentially cannot build. < 1286779212 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At all. < 1286779215 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-4-75.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286779223 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is literally no configuration of Gentoo wherein it will build anymore. < 1286779235 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is so very fucked up. < 1286779930 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286779956 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.35.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286780905 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1286780926 0 :tombom!~tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1286781191 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1286781285 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : @tell oerjan The problem with the "non-self-similar fractal" of a triangle, square, pentagon... is that as n gets large, n-gons do tend to look... well, similar. < 1286781396 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some sense the problem is that up to a given level of approximation, there are only a finite number of shapes. < 1286781476 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say if by approximation you mean n*n bit pattern, only 2^(n*n) ones. < 1286781648 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286781663 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.35.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286782117 0 :sftp_!~sftp@79.174.50.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286782165 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1286782170 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1286782286 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286782449 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1286783433 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1286783616 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Error due to lack of fire and water. < 1286783646 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xkcd XD < 1286783999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1286784000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1286784525 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahahaha < 1286784565 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1286784618 0 :atrapado!~ro@193.144.79.241 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286784928 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what? xkcd is funny? *checks* < 1286784985 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the new xkcd strip < 1286785001 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wareya, new? you mean the last one? < 1286785012 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one up as of today < 1286785016 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1286785093 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah indeed < 1286785174 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(don't forget the hovertext) < 1286785439 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, of course not, what was Solomon known for again < 1286785501 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...bloody atheist :D < 1286785503 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The baby-splitting. < 1286785508 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1286785516 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, thanks :P < 1286785525 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, but actually I'm agnostic :P < 1286785562 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, if they manage to scientifically prove any religion I'm prepared to accept that it might be a viable theory < 1286785569 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fat chance for that though :P < 1286785798 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only religion I know of that comes even close to not contradicting most of what we scientifically know today is Buddhism. < 1286785830 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's why I would be a buddhist if I ever 'had to' pick a religion. < 1286785852 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are some supernatural flavors of buddhism, though. < 1286785897 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wareya, hm? Well some of the seemingly supernatural stuff is stuff there is no evidence either way for. I mean, reincarnation, there is absolutely no proof in any direction there < 1286785916 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Later < 1286785916 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what did you mean? < 1286785937 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the ones that worship the original buddha as a god, or that promise immediate effects of karma. < 1286785954 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay, I wasn't aware of such variants < 1286786111 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wareya, in some aspects buddhism is more of a philosophy than a religion I'd say < 1286786146 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still a religion < 1286786150 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1286786155 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but less so than many other ones < 1286786158 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it's philosophical instead of theistic < 1286786164 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1286786182 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wareya this is why I said "in some aspects" < 1286786210 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1286786270 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wareya, you are not one of those nick changers right? < 1286786282 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION keeps thinking that wareya must be warringal (sp?)
< 1286786309 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wareya < 1286786313 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just and only wareya < 1286786317 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay < 1286786338 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those persistent nick changers are confusing. I mean, I just permanently changed nick once since I went on irc < 1286786340 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine a language where you can have negative sized variables < 1286786361 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wareya, I'd love to, but then I'll miss the bus to university. So bbl! < 1286786386 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Later < 1286786687 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all kinds buddhism promise effects of karma < 1286786690 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*kinds of < 1286786828 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why I said immediate < 1286787237 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :regardless of it being immediate or not that's a religious thing < 1286787272 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least supernatural < 1286787311 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the promises of karma's effects happen after reincarnation, then they're unarguable < 1286787634 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_characteristics_of_the_Buddha#The_32_Signs_of_the_Great_Man < 1286788844 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello sweethearts < 1286789141 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about that, lament? < 1286790826 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# His sexual organs are concealed in a sheath. It also produces smegma with a fragrant odour. (Pali: kosohitavatguyho). < 1286790829 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heheheh < 1286790864 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1286791123 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds