< 1286930838 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the ways that have changed < 1286930845 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oho < 1286930849 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a disagreement between devs and the company < 1286930872 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :drama drama! < 1286930882 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :involving companies in free OSes is always a bad idea i think. < 1286930887 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuckin' suits < 1286930894 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuckin' crampin' our style < 1286930903 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: oh shaddup it's true < 1286930917 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: fuckin' rainbows! < 1286930917 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you were being serious < 1286930940 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: neither serious nor in jest really < 1286930958 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is true < 1286930958 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuckin' rainbows, how do they work? < 1286930960 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though he is having sex with rainbows. < 1286930965 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait... no. < 1286931002 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We got a theory" -- Insane Clown Posse, at the beginning < 1286931012 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I HATE SCIENTISTS" -- Insane Clown Posse, near the end, paraphrased < 1286931014 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HMMM < 1286931124 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it IS true, but if you want to get *paid* for doing foss? guess what < 1286931133 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you must interface with the economy < 1286931139 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the economy is FUCKED < 1286931164 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: fuck getting paid :D < 1286931174 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: exactly < 1286931304 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i liked that quote about the ibex < 1286931310 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Theory aigj: ao. < 1286931312 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Yes. < 1286931434 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phantom_Hoover | GreaseMonkey, OK, so not being able to accurately store £0.10 is a tolerable error? < 1286931453 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you are a large corporation with a valuation in the millions -- yes, totally. < 1286931465 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who gives a fuck about a few pence < 1286931476 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever you call those things after decimalisation < 1286931482 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think they're still pence... < 1286931514 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Peter Gibbons: [Explaining the plan] Alright so when the sub routine compounds the interest is uses all these extra decimal places that just get rounded off. So we simplified the whole thing, we rounded them all down, drop the remainder into an account we opened. < 1286931514 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Joanna: [Confused] So you're stealing? < 1286931514 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Peter Gibbons: Ah no, you don't understand. It's very complicated. It's uh it's aggregate, so I'm talking about fractions of a penny here. And over time they add up to a lot. < 1286931528 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Yes, they are still pence. < 1286931531 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Joanna: Oh okay. So you're gonna be making a lot of money, right? < 1286931532 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Peter Gibbons: Yeah. < 1286931532 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Joanna: Right. It's not yours? < 1286931532 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Peter Gibbons: Well it becomes ours. < 1286931532 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Joanna: How is that not stealing? < 1286931533 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Peter Gibbons: [pauses] I don't think I'm explaining this very well. < 1286931534 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Joanna: Okay. < 1286931536 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Peter Gibbons: Um... the 7-11. You take a penny from the tray, right? < 1286931538 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Joanna: From the cripple children? < 1286931540 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Peter Gibbons: No that's the jar. I'm talking about the tray. You know the pennies that are for everybody? < 1286931544 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Joanna: Oh for everybody. Okay. < 1286931546 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Peter Gibbons: Well those are whole pennies, right? I'm just talking about fractions of a penny here. But we do it from a much bigger tray and we do it a couple a million times. < 1286931549 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ +$// < 1286931627 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if catseye has actually seen Office Space. < 1286931712 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CLEARLY NOT < 1286931733 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I have but it was a long time ago. < 1286931750 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Yes, all those 11 -- almost 12 -- years ago, in 1999. < 1286931755 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[catseye feels UNSPEAKABLY OLD] < 1286931855 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, if you are a large corporation: none of the developers you hire will be able to understand why you would not store currency in a float anyway. If you are lucky they will "understand" why it should be a double. < 1286931873 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: dude, this place is a sanctuary. no talking about corporate development < 1286931877 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1286931881 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even hating on it? < 1286931891 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay but not all the time < 1286931897 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise we'll just get #corporate-dev-sucks :P < 1286931906 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1286931941 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyhoo < 1286931945 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going in... a minute < 1286932030 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got nothing. so don't let me stop you < 1286932035 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g'night < 1286932038 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1286932047 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You. Figure out a way to get a RAM-based filesystem to run a system from into RAM quickly. < 1286932051 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like "seconds" quickly. < 1286932051 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kthx < 1286932052 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1286932076 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think "John Freeman turned on off the computer" would make an awesome quit message. < 1286932080 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I did have something! < 1286932095 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: But... but I thought it was stupid! :p < 1286932106 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid and entertaining! < 1286932107 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway it can't beat DEMOCRATIC PEER-REVIEW-BASED IRC DISCONNECTION. < 1286932114 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tru < 1286932143 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286932160 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As demonstrated above. < 1286932188 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: No, as demonstrated by this! < 1286932196 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As a last final note, I ought to watch Idiocracy sometime.) < 1286932199 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: BEHOLD: < 1286932203 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Goodnight. Bye.) < 1286932204 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Connection reset by peer review < 1286932272 0 :dbc!~daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286932594 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gnome desktop. < 1286932597 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trashcan. < 1286932599 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where? < 1286932953 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.2.6 < 1286933183 0 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-94-155-109.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286933524 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286933547 0 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286934806 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adobe_acrobat_reader is a product that is a kind of map < 1286934812 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :president_elect is a U.S. person < 1286934842 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops, copied the wrong one, that one is true X-P < 1286934847 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shanghai is the capital city of the country china < 1286934855 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :outdoor_air is a weather phenomenon < 1286934860 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Is that true, or just nonsense?) < 1286934898 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :outdoor_air is a weather phenomenon < 1286934907 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :john is a musician who is part of ben_folds < 1286934910 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286934936 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :microsoft_sql_server is a consumer electronic device < 1286934982 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :envelope_llc_intelligent_nutrients is an office supply < 1286934990 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :barack is a politician who holds the office of secretary < 1286935102 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"intelligent nutrients" < 1286935115 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like that < 1286936015 0 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286936288 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1286936356 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1286936383 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey eso < 1286936830 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey Quadlex < 1286936886 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286936917 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How're we going? < 1286936925 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm about to call a loan shark about a job they are offering < 1286937056 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We are all going all over < 1286937103 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I almost took a job at a usurer last year :) < 1286937144 0 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286937295 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An usurer? < 1286937332 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fancy word for loan shark. < 1286937384 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1286937388 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a software job < 1286937392 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they actually seem really cool < 1286937394 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is weird < 1286937398 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cashdoctors.com.au < 1286937539 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My offer was kind of like that, too... programmers had their own offices, the pay was good, etc. < 1286937561 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ended up going to a different place because their health insurance was kind of crap, though. < 1286937579 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :their what? < 1286937583 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Health what? < 1286937590 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quadlex: Australian! :) < 1286937599 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right, I remember now < 1286937607 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're socialist nazi commies < 1286937608 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm from Canada originally, but in this awful place called the United States right nw... < 1286937611 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*now < 1286937850 0 :optonline.net)!oined #esoteric JOIN :#esoteric < 1286945216 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So far, I've got to say Debian is less of a complete and utter pain than Gentoo. < 1286945275 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does GTK+ hate me using my trackpad to scroll? < 1286945325 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... And seems to perform better. < 1286945341 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From inside of a VM. < 1286945585 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286945632 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1286945960 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: HEY < 1286945972 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: YOU APPEAR TO HAVE DIEDED < 1286945994 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: FUNGOT HAS APPEARED TO HAVE DIEDEDED < 1286946330 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286946467 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION allows Symantec to downgrade his beautiful new computer :(
< 1286946787 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Well, you only have two ears. With some physical simulation, should be totally feasible. < 1286946807 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Reminds me of that barbershop recording ... < 1286946968 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAARGH Debian (and clones) has one major, major breaker for me. Multiarch support is not quite finished. < 1286947023 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Mplayer's "hrtf" plugin does that. < 1286947030 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, multiarch sucks arse on Debian. < 1286947038 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(abbreviation of "head-related transfer function", the method it uses for that) < 1286947040 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually have a debootstrap-generated i386 chroot. < 1286947058 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Apparently they fell *just* short of getting multiarch into squeeze. < 1286947080 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And here I thought it had the best chance of having decent multiarch. < 1286947082 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :God. < 1286947094 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is Gentoo's multiarch support *still* the only thing that even halfway works? < 1286947100 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sid doesn't have useful multiarch. < 1286947108 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Because multiarch is (relatively) easy when you build everything. < 1286947120 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Except it's not even doing that. < 1286947130 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It's... Just got a handful of tarballs of x86_32 libraries. < 1286947147 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhhh, that != multiarch support :P < 1286947150 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even Debian has that. < 1286947157 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably Gentoo can build 32-bit libraries on x86_64? < 1286947171 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but it only does so for libc, IIRC. < 1286947210 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing is, it also has packages for 32-bit only programs. Said programs on x86_64 depend on the tarballs instead of the actual libraries. < 1286947219 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a damned hack, but *it fucking works*. < 1286947248 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian has everything up to GTK+ for x86_32 on x86_64 < 1286947253 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But that's it) < 1286947275 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, Gentoo's got... Basically all the dependencies for programs without x86_64 versions. < 1286947278 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus apparently it has an installable x86_32 Java for some unimaginable reason. < 1286947301 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is using a Toshiba Satellite T215
< 1286947302 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no official x86_64 Java binaries. < 1286947313 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Builds just fine, though. < 1286947320 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhhhh, yeah, these are the sun packages, yeah. < 1286947327 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's not considered a netbook < 1286947336 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I of course have OpenJDK :P < 1286947350 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286947370 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yeah. It's just a bit less of a pain to deal with. < 1286947410 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate to say it, but Mandriva has great multiarch support :P < 1286947444 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen the dark side of its multiarch support. < 1286947446 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shudder* < 1286947471 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RPM has far far too many limitations. < 1286947480 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, RPM is garbagesauce on rye. < 1286947482 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ATI Integrated Radeon stuff > Intel integrated? < 1286947495 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Hard to imagine it wouldn't be. < 1286947502 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Unless you want it to work on Linux. < 1286947513 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Unless power usage is your consideration, yes. < 1286947524 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok < 1286947534 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, why does SL hate this thing? < 1286947534 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Official drivers should just work, the X11 drivers should just have somewhat shitty OpenGL performance. < 1286947546 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That's what I mean by "work" :P < 1286947559 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not convinced that ATI+Linux will even outperform Intel+Linux. < 1286947559 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: No, I mean, the ones that are *built into X11*. < 1286947574 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figured out how to stop XChat from minimizing to tray < 1286947588 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still... < 1286947604 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION continues to munch on infant bones while watching the conversation unfold.
< 1286947612 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nvidia+Linux is definitely better than ATI+Linux, performance-wise. < 1286947645 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries SL on lowest settings
< 1286947844 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION angrily blibbers at the "32-bit only" thing in SL's requirements
< 1286947935 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can fix that by building it. < 1286948017 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, talking < 1286948285 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5a/Orchestra_layout.svg This orchestra layout lists both "double basses" and "contrebasses". ... fail. < 1286948287 0 :antivigilante!~antivigil@wsip-70-166-115-251.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286948694 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eicar time < 1286948742 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That worked well < 1286948769 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: there should also be separate sections for baritones and euphoniums < 1286948784 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Considering that the arrangement is almost entirely wrong, it's sort of irrelevant. < 1286948786 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(baritone horn, of course) < 1286948830 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that those ever get into an orchestra. < 1286948844 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Muahahahaha < 1286948847 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Screw your euphonium :P < 1286949115 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Perhaps there should be a seating arrangement for the coronets. < 1286949217 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cornet < 1286949227 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoosh < 1286949240 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good night. < 1286949250 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could go a cornetto < 1286950175 0 :antivigilante!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1286950496 0 :realazthat!~realaztha@pool-72-89-222-165.nycmny.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286951688 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :goddamn ubuntu < 1286951693 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you do an upgrade without breaking my sound? < 1286951828 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VLC comes with FluidSynth stuff? < 1286951830 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1286951832 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can just use a soundfont? < 1286951836 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No sound for you < 1286951854 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real Ubuntu users are happy with brown wallpaper and silence < 1286951855 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And unicorns will take flight? < 1286951889 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicorns don't need to fly to get around < 1286951892 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're just THERE < 1286951905 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like Omnipresent Man! < 1286951929 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, he's Omnipresent, but does the bastard ever do anything? < 1286951936 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, he's too busy with his hand on his dick < 1286952422 0 :antivigilante!~antivigil@wsip-70-166-115-251.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286952481 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : So, looking at seeing if/how Debian's made an abomination of things, being seduced by Slackware, aaand... I think I'll try random things from there. <-- arch is pretty good IMO < 1286952611 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Nvidia+Linux is definitely better than ATI+Linux, performance-wise. <-- last I checked, also stability-wise. < 1286952615 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a while ago though < 1286952627 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though intel graphics is probably most stable < 1286952636 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1286952636 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worst when it comes to performance though < 1286952665 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286952774 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : can you do an upgrade without breaking my sound? <-- that is why you stay on LTS if using ubuntu < 1286952966 0 :antivigilante_!~antivigil@wsip-70-166-115-251.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286952988 0 :antivigilante!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1286953007 0 :antivigilante_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :antivigilante < 1286953133 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you've got some borogrove on your face < 1286953195 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION snicker-snack!
< 1286953232 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quadlex, new here, nick-changer, previously idler or just someone who been away for some time? < 1286953333 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, don't have time to wait for answer, need to leave or I'll miss the bus < 1286953392 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Newish < 1286953439 0 :antivigilante!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1286953483 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1286953932 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1286955050 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286955377 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: re: hrtf.. thanks! < 1286955552 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Re "brown wallpaper", also, the Meerkat wallpaper is pretty colorful and un-brown. < 1286955596 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://img3.imagebanana.com/img/x34gp6re/wartyfinalubuntu.jpg from a random google-image hit. < 1286955974 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286956101 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't have a word for purple, that *is* brown < 1286956198 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I guess it's not so dissimilar in color from the not-quite-as-brown Lucid wallpaper -- http://www.kilobitspersecond.com/stuff/warty-final-ubuntu.jpg -- too. < 1286956221 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1286956228 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1286956255 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Karmic and Jaunty were pretty brown though. < 1286956310 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And Intrepid. And Hardy.) < 1286956739 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGkkyKZVzug&feature=player_embedded#! < 1286956799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1286956800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1286956831 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You people keep saying the same thing; that link was posted by alise in 2010-09-28 and nooga in 2010-09-29. And I don't think clog was even down then, so no excuse at all! < 1286956879 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of excuses, was I supposed to do something to fungot? < 1286956879 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it is. < 1286956886 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently not. < 1286958274 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1286958289 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and xkcd is back to just weird again. < 1286958577 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :linux aqualung with "metal" skin = awesome < 1286958583 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel like i'm on a c64 again <3 < 1286958600 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, a very good music play0r < 1286960979 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Later < 1286962888 0 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1286964372 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286965330 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286966957 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1286967611 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286969417 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286969629 0 :myndzi!myndzi@c-24-19-39-178.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286969783 0 :myndzi\!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286969920 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286970305 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1286970701 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286971474 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286971900 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286972500 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286972951 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286973400 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.50.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286976593 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286977240 0 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@32.164.59.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286977280 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just realized something horrible about Flatterland < 1286977356 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It promotes the pseudoscientific bullshit involving taking scientific words, interpreting stuff as you please, and thinking it means something < 1286977390 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286977447 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel no guilt about spoiling this: the last scene involves the protagonist basing arguments for gender equality on Flatland's supersymmetry < 1286977529 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Supersymmetric sister! ..." < 1286977563 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot the rest of her advertisement on Flatland's Internet < 1286977624 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286978078 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286978111 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286978293 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1, Speak Not Ill Of Ian Stewart. < 1286978381 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to! < 1286978477 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, And Thou Wert Always At War With Eastasia. < 1286978609 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clog sees all, SgeoN1/ < 1286978628 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except when it's broken, of course. < 1286978645 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286978648 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to criticise the book I loved as a kid, but I must! < 1286978677 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just like Friend Computer! Friend Computer never breaHSUDJEHDHDHDHHHU < 1286978697 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note: do not confuse Ian and Iain Stewart. < 1286978701 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*beep* < 1286978725 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1286978852 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about Calculus the Easy Way? < 1286978912 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't love books? < 1286978943 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*multiple < 1286978953 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember you pondering why there wasn't a TV Tropes article on it a while ago... < 1286978980 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286978984 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it doesn't seem to have a WP article, implying it's pretty obscure. < 1286978998 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When it comes to books, I'm polygamous. Only with languages is it serial monogamy < 1286979098 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the easy way to do calculus was from first principles... < 1286979181 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although "easy" there depends entirely on one's point of view. < 1286979360 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going off irc to save battery < 1286979364 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1286979426 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oct/11/chilean-miners-rival-churches-tussle < 1286981632 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1286981665 0 :elliott!~elliott@91.105.99.56 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286981702 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: A Golly ruleset sounds interesting enough! < 1286981717 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286981771 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:16:34 Gnome desktop. < 1286981772 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:16:37 Trashcan. < 1286981772 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:16:39 Where? < 1286981774 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bottom right. Panel. < 1286981779 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If using Ubuntu.) < 1286981806 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:53:26 adobe_acrobat_reader is a product that is a kind of map < 1286981808 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are these from? < 1286981859 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:46:56 So far, I've got to say Debian is less of a complete and utter pain than Gentoo. < 1286981865 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: stable, testing, sid? < 1286982043 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:37:34 Real Ubuntu users are happy with brown wallpaper and silence < 1286982047 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Year old information fail < 1286982051 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's PURPLE now! < 1286982064 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:48:01 So, looking at seeing if/how Debian's made an abomination of things, being seduced by Slackware, aaand... I think I'll try random things from there. <-- arch is pretty good IMO < 1286982070 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286982075 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It really isn't and pikhq is smart enough to have realised that already. < 1286982738 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286982886 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1286983361 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286983769 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286983928 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Purple is the new brown, eh? < 1286983968 0 :cpressey!~CPressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286984119 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< ais523> I'm amused at the way he called me a hacker with basically no evidence < 1286984131 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, he... called you a hacker out of the blue? < 1286984144 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, no ais523, and clog is probably still wack < 1286984214 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: ais523 has been "collaborating" with esr to get old c-intercal versions together because knuth wants it < 1286984410 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286984418 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, i remembered that. but even in that context it's a bit creepy < 1286984489 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1286984499 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what knuth wants knuth gets < 1286984685 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.188.14 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286984777 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grrrrr at glare < 1286984791 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286985161 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286985377 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION falls in love with WinSCP
< 1286985521 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love croissants. < 1286985557 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crossaints love you, too < 1286985684 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Urgh, pyFLTK's API is ugly. < 1286985688 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fltk.Fl_Window... < 1286985699 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf's fltk? < 1286985714 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Fast Light ToolKit < 1286985725 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And considering that FLTK's API is ugly itself, it's unsurprising that pyFLTK's API is ugly :P < 1286985817 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286985823 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it do? < 1286985860 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Well, it's not that ugly. < 1286985863 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's fine in C++ :P < 1286985892 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: If they just chopped the Fl_ prefixes off, and changed foo.prop(x) to "foo.prop = x" and foo.prop() into foo.prop, it'd be almost perfect. < 1286985899 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Change labelsize and the like into label_size and it'd be perfect. < 1286985955 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and making the constructor args be e.g. < 1286985963 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Button((110, 130), (100, 35), 'Okay') < 1286985964 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than < 1286985968 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Button(110, 130, 100, 35, 'Okay') < 1286985972 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be a nice finishing touch. < 1286986192 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: So, if they changed almost every aspect of the API, it'd be ALMOST perfect : < 1286986194 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*:P < 1286986204 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Well, firstly, those are all *Python* changes. < 1286986212 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't change the C++ API. < 1286986239 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: A sed one the names, wrapping property-functions as properties -- not hard -- and unpacking a tuple in contructors. < 1286986252 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Then, as a super-optional thing, maybe s/foobar/foo_bar/.) < 1286986255 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*on the < 1286986269 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not exactly major API changes, just aesthetics. < 1286986270 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286986278 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Name something with a nicer API. < 1286986296 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION attempts to get used to this keyboard
< 1286986498 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Like all languages, all APIs suck. < 1286986507 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Name one that sucks less. < 1286986537 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hell, even STL sucks less. < 1286986547 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use enough C++ to make relevant comparisons though :P < 1286986552 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's suck a ridiculous challenge. < 1286986558 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Name an API that sucks less than " < 1286986563 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeesh. < 1286986645 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: name a GUI API that sucks less than FLTK < 1286986706 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only GUI APIs I've used are FLTK and GTK+, and GTK+ sure as hell ain't it. < 1286986721 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Lemme put it this way. < 1286986730 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you think FLTK has a terrible API, you haven't seen every other GUI API. < 1286986743 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never write GUIs. < 1286986746 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because GUIs are for pussies. < 1286986748 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tk's API is better, sure. Hell, so is Shoes', although nobody uses that for serious stuff. < 1286986750 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apart from that. < 1286986752 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1286986838 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286986848 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl persons: < 1286986855 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are delete and exists magical? < 1286987320 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286987490 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Now you've got me mocking up half-code of a non-shitty GUI API... < 1286987494 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn you! < 1286987505 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: All of Perl is magical! < 1286987519 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders why, exactly, this thing came with a 64-bit version of Win7
< 1286987540 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It only has 2gbs, are there any relevant advantages to 64-bit considering that? < 1286987549 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :curses, you must use curses so that your app works on all terminals. oh you want to colorize your bash prompt? here's some vt100 escape codes, enjoy < 1286987645 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: actually I have no idea what you mean. Syntactically they're slightly magical, because they take a whole hash ref as argument, but don't evaluate it. Semantically, the hash can be tied, so other things can happen when you delete or exsists. But that is, afaik, all. < 1286987679 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION meant the syntactical bit
< 1286987693 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, in fact, magic that I can't reproduce in my own functions? < 1286987731 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: http://pastie.org/pastes/1218376/text?key=jzpmwvfrsp1qg51leacw < 1286987739 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Look, it doesn't suck! < 1286987757 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: (_ is "arrange horizontally", | vertically) < 1286987860 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286987917 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, that switch's canecl should actually be < 1286987921 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :case $cancel \undo < 1286987922 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To undo the selection. < 1286988088 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Psht, so unappreciative. < 1286988106 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually it should be case $cancel \cancel to cancel whatever event we're handling. < 1286988116 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which implies to me that $cancel should have a default action of cancelling. < 1286988127 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making the case perhaps unnecessary. < 1286988128 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But whatever. < 1286988146 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: http://pastie.org/pastes/1218391/text?key=p2lt6cdvyvt1bgy7u9pj2q < 1286988148 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: ADMIRE < 1286988251 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286988443 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Not by any way I'm aware of, but my awareness essentially ends around 5.6 -- after that it's all a blur < 1286988451 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : cpressey: http://pastie.org/pastes/1218391/text?key=p2lt6cdvyvt1bgy7u9pj2q < 1286988451 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : cpressey: ADMIRE < 1286988453 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1286988469 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: attack of the mutant yamls. < 1286988479 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: 'TIS NOT YAML < 1286988484 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: 'TIS GOOEY < 1286988496 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: As I said, _ means horizontal arrangement, and | means vertical < 1286988499 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rest is somewhat obvious < 1286988512 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :modified: [text contents != pages .(page_list selected) text] < 1286988512 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :page_text: [pages .(page_list selected) text] < 1286988514 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this needs changing to < 1286988521 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :page_text: [pages .(page_list selected) text] < 1286988522 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :modified: [text contents != page_text] < 1286988525 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact < 1286988527 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tweaks a bit
< 1286988572 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/pastes/1218407/text?key=rvfz2k1dho97nel635zhg < 1286988574 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There. < 1286988891 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286988923 0 :atrapado!~ro@193.144.79.241 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286989219 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey does not even acknowledge my design POWAH < 1286989361 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286989412 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moop < 1286989426 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOR DOES GREGOR < 1286989440 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/pastes/1218407/text?key=rvfz2k1dho97nel635zhg You made me do this, it's *your* responsibility to comment! < 1286989486 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yawn* < 1286989503 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCOUNDREL < 1286989641 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wirth's law: "Software gets slower faster than hardware gets faster." < 1286989663 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, didn't realise anyone had called it "Wirth's law" before. < 1286989695 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Wirth attributed the saying to Martin Reiser" -- thus continuing to fulfil -- what's that law's name again? < 1286989705 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where things are never attributed to the first person to think of them, instead the second. < 1286989832 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286989916 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286989947 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How bookendy. < 1286990030 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1286990043 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: can you link me to that site that has a shitload of spaceships catalogued in various rules? < 1286990049 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it tells you which are inverses of others, etc. < 1286990051 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blue backrgound < 1286990052 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*background < 1286990089 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it's one of Golly's external thingies IIRC. < 1286990100 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it's not affiliated with golly < 1286990117 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but Golly can still look at it < 1286990132 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1286990133 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right though < 1286990134 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fano.ics.uci.edu/ca/ < 1286990163 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has 3 more gliders for Day & Night than for Life. < 1286990164 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O.o < 1286990181 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the inverted versions, presumably < 1286990183 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1286990207 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even then, there are definitely more than 40 spaceships in Life, < 1286990229 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's not that dated, either: it has the Caterpillar in it. < 1286990267 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn these Golly developers! < 1286990313 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it be that hard to replace give_obnoxious_warning_about_not_being_able_to_do_something_while_generating(); with stop(); do_thing();? < 1286990334 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :golly's ui is terrible < 1286990371 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's... tolerable, if you zoom out when using Quicklife. < 1286990381 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286990392 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1286990484 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its editing is so limitedly-designed as to be useless < 1286990506 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simple operations like clearing a 50,000 x 50,000 square somehow take ten minutes < 1286990524 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so maybe that's more reasonable :) < 1286990525 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still < 1286990528 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of it was empty! < 1286990535 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the controls are blergh < 1286990538 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't save colours per-pattern < 1286990539 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dfjgodfjsiojh < 1286990540 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sucks < 1286990566 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Wow. Tiny Core Linux has a KDE package. < 1286990577 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tiny Core is awesome :) < 1286990577 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Never has KDE been in a less appropriate setting X-D < 1286990578 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, clearing a square is going to take a long time unless you're clever about it. < 1286990588 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I totally want a ten megabyte micro-distro... with KDE 4." < 1286990591 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Tiny CORE Linux, not Tiny EVERYTHING Linux < 1286990647 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tiny Core may be cool but it's not as cool as KITTEN < 1286990734 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Existing is so uncool. < 1286990759 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286990856 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1286990886 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :155| Well yeah, but furthermore unlike, oh, say, an Apple product, you don't have to sign their "we own your sperm" license agreement to GET that SDK and the requisite libraries. ... pikhq: Sure, but it's the only way Apple could get a first-born-son clause into a modern licensing agreement without infringing < 1286990904 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1286990907 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :215| Sgeo: hahaah, and i love when they announced it i dare u to press alt f4 and your house ( acts 16:31 your bible) < 1286990936 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1286990939 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :127| Discrimination fields ACTIVATE. < 1286990941 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286990943 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1286990947 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :63| The thing is just to exist < 1286990953 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1286990956 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1286990957 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :126| Ah, vulva. What is that, anyway? < 1286990958 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1286990961 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :98| ehird: every set can be well-ordered. corollary: every set s has the same diagram used from famous program talisman with fnord windows to cascade, someone i would never capitalize " i" < 1286990961 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1286990964 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :42| after all, what are DVD players for? < 1286990967 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19| "You're at that stage in your life where you're going to want to do some things in private." --my mom < 1286990971 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1286990974 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2| I used computational linguistics to kill her. < 1286991006 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1286991009 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :77| no Deewiant No?! I've been living a lie yep. Excuse me while I jump out of the window -> < 1286991030 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1286991033 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6| I think the freemasons are actually a cover for homosexual men. < 1286991085 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1286991086 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1286991094 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :88| both of you, quit it with the f-bombs. kaelis: what's the matter? something censoring stuff you're interested in? < 1286991097 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :128| I can do everything a Turing machine can do, except love < 1286991099 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://pastie.org/pastes/1218391/text?key=p2lt6cdvyvt1bgy7u9pj2q BEHOLD (because nobody else will) < 1286991104 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops wait < 1286991106 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an older one < 1286991124 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://pastie.org/pastes/1218501/text?key=kgj5a2hgnlvgoqqntjkg < 1286991126 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEHOLD < 1286991127 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what's it for? < 1286991130 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/pastes/1218501/text?key=kgj5a2hgnlvgoqqntjkg < 1286991131 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one < 1286991141 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I complained about pyFLTK's API, Gregor complained about FLTK's API < 1286991142 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, is that Smalltalk? < 1286991145 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I noted that all GUI libs sucked < 1286991150 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote my own fakecode for something that sucked a bit less < 1286991152 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it isn't < 1286991159 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the previous one sucks, only look at the latest one < 1286991160 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → sleep
< 1286991166 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: what? < 1286991168 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait... < 1286991170 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At 5:32 PM? < 1286991171 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, stuff < 1286991180 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You know < 1286991186 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"-> stuff" < 1286991188 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a lame way of saying < 1286991191 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl :P < 1286991398 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: are you still broken? < 1286991398 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: riastradh oh, indeed. i'd prefer to just call fnord or whatever.) < 1286991460 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286991671 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: UNFORTUNATELY KDE4-DESKTOP.TCZ DOESN'T INSTALL. < 1286991675 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Error on hunspell.tcz" < 1286991681 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should have gone with attilaspell.tcz < 1286991789 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooplah < 1286991795 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Only Atilla can install it. < 1286991811 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Totally preempted you there. < 1286991834 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foobar. < 1286991855 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT MIGHT BE WORKING THIS TIME < 1286991967 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286992093 0 :flippo!~frivol@71-218-70-171.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286992129 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what distro is that? < 1286992206 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "I see no reason to listen to you"r questions. < 1286992241 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286992273 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1286992289 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, fair enough < 1286992399 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :select the function you want to call from the dropdown < 1286992406 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1286992407 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DO IT < 1286992443 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Sounds like Excel. < 1286992488 0 :flippo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1286992488 0 :flippo!~frivol@unaffiliated/flippo JOIN :#esoteric < 1286992789 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Abandonando < 1286993380 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1286993673 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone just told me that i'm Roy from IT Crowd < 1286993699 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i heard it twice < 1286993706 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from my boss and from my date < 1286993706 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;f < 1286993728 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286994180 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1286994251 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286994391 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286994502 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: you're right gui development sucks < 1286994854 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sucks < 1286994987 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not giving me credit for saying that several times before? Oh well *shrug* < 1286995026 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You can't do GUI development because of some sort of cognitive deformity. I was merely referring to the current crop of *common* toolkits. < 1286995034 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a few I like, but they are mostly dead projects. < 1286995034 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286995080 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And please either start ignoring me entirely, or talk in more than passive-aggressive slights. < 1286995278 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286995296 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi augur < 1286995320 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello elliot < 1286995352 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TWO FUCKING TS < 1286995361 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286995429 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1286995435 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliot sound okay to me < 1286995456 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the difference between t and tt anyway? < 1286995687 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, nougart < 1286995694 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nougat < 1286995708 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(OK, so it's not pronounced identically, but my point is made.) < 1286996064 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286996141 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: You can't do GUI development because of some sort of cognitive deformity. I was merely referring to the current crop of *common* toolkits. <-- hm, no, I never claimed I wasn't able to do it at all in theory < 1286996155 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said I disliked it, and implicitly referred to any GUI toolkits I used < 1286996204 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : And please either start ignoring me entirely, or talk in more than passive-aggressive slights. <-- do you know what "the golden rule" means? < 1286996240 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am perfectly willing to not talk to you if you stop highlighting me with questions that ask for a response. < 1286996270 0 :cpressey_!~CPressey@12.116.117.150 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286996273 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: fi:aita = en:fence, fi:aitta = en:granary/storehouse/whatever. We have these delightful meaning-changes when it comes to "t"/"tt". < 1286996281 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I have nothing against talking to you in general. < 1286996284 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, /msg? < 1286996457 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Korean also pronounces t/tt (and d/dd) differently. < 1286996462 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1286996479 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :cpressey < 1286996504 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1286996597 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Also, I didn't notice anything wrong with fungot; maybe you just hit the "I will only answer to the same guy four or so times in a row" limit? < 1286996597 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: then ask for more time to demi, irc-galleria, pouet, deviantart, newsgroups etc. it would be more fun < 1286996599 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286996620 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286996658 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, does the t/tt thing change the quality of the t or the letter before it (the latter would be like in Swedish) < 1286996718 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that must be it. < 1286996909 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think officially what it changes is the length of the silent part in /t/. It doesn't (much) change the neighbouring letters; Finnish has, or at least is approximated reasonably well by a simple mapping from text to phonemes. < 1286996927 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1286996948 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm what do you mean with silent part though < 1286996992 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The stop in it. < 1286997000 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Record something with a t and take a look if you want. < 1286997058 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286997087 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286997125 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In the articulation of the stop, three phases can be distinguished: < 1286997126 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * Catch: The airway closes so that no air can escape through the mouth (hence the name stop). With nasal stops, the air escapes through the nose. < 1286997126 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * Hold or occlusion: The airway stays closed, causing a pressure difference to build up (hence the name occlusive). < 1286997126 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * Release or burst: The closure is opened. In the case of plosives, the released airflow produces a sudden impulse causing an audible sound (hence the name plosive)." < 1286997129 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The middle part, then. < 1286997141 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, double consonants can change a lot in Swedish too, but in that case it changes the quality of the preceding vowel. Like sil (en:sieve) and sill (a kind of fish, seems like I forgot what that one is called in English) < 1286997208 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grr, I hate it when TLDs and language codes don't match. < 1286997215 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :se.wikipedia.org is not Swedish. < 1286997289 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 'sv' code is a bit annoying; I remember not noticing it when looking at a suitable keymap in NetBSD, since it only listed them by language code. (There wasn't one for fi, but sv is usable enough.) < 1286997325 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes I agree it is annoying < 1286997326 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be nice to have a translate thing here that uses interwiki. < 1286997329 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. < 1286997343 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : `tr sv sill < 1286997346 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I always have to think if I want se or sv when I select keymap on a livecd < 1286997348 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Atlantic herring < 1286997352 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : `tr sv sill no < 1286997362 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Whoops no article lol < 1286997366 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, herring sounds about right < 1286997369 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : `tr sv sill nn < 1286997382 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ERROR REFUSE TO SHOW NYNORK BECAUSE AM BIGOT BOT < 1286997390 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nynork, what a spelling error < 1286997391 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what really? :D < 1286997403 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which tr < 1286997407 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't made it yet! < 1286997408 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plan to though < 1286997412 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/bin/tr < 1286997412 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nynork sounds like some sort of a D&D monster. < 1286997413 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interestingly, the Swedish wiki links to the Nynorsk article for herring < 1286997415 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh < 1286997422 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tr has been borkleborked for a while. < 1286997422 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC < 1286997423 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, indeed! < 1286997425 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that one links to the Bokm\oal one < 1286997426 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm < 1286997431 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IGNORE MY PAST THREE LINES. < 1286997435 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1286997441 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Swedish one doesn't link to the bokmal one directly < 1286997449 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wait, tr is a bit bad name for it < 1286997450 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in < 1286997451 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is just odd. < 1286997454 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes yes, I didn't think. < 1286997463 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead ponder why interwiki is silly. < 1286997476 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of interwiki doesn't catch second-level interwikis? < 1286997479 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, trans or something like that might work (unless that is taken too, in which case I guess I didn't think) < 1286997482 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. "this listed interwiki links to this other interwiki") < 1286997489 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[think that is was] that is ;) < 1286997492 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: maybe "iw" for interwiki < 1286997535 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, iw says here: "Usage: iw [options] command" but then I wouldn't expect it on a server, since it deals with 802.11 stuff < 1286997551 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It goes in ~/bin, so who cares. < 1286997556 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1286997570 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, tr is the kind of thing shell scripts in ~/bin might use < 1286997578 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, iw would work very well < 1286997583 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nynork nynork, it's a helluva town < 1286997598 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"" fuck you i want the whole query < 1286997598 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey thinks the way i do, apparently < 1286997618 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION high fives
< 1286997624 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nynork? < 1286997641 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286997648 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I actually meant nynorsk < 1286997665 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you're blue and you don't know where to go to, why don't you go where fashion sits? < 1286997759 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://redhatinbluesea.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/j4lup.jpeg < 1286997805 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Or even "interwiki" + "translate" = intertrans! The most vague thing ever. < 1286997815 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except having connotations of an intersexed, transgender person. < 1286997822 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, true, a bit tedious to type though < 1286997823 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or wikilate. < 1286997838 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, there are some virtues in a short name < 1286997841 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"11 am? I'm afraid you're wikilate. You're wikifired." < 1286997847 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1286997853 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wikiam < 1286997872 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: So do you have an wl(1)? < 1286997883 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"wikileven wikiam? WikI'm wikfraid wiki're wikilate. Wiki're wikifired." < 1286997893 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bork bork bork < 1286997899 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not on any turned on computer at least < 1286997921 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that jpg (err, jpeg actually, how unusual), is it supposed to be on top of a communion bread? < 1286997933 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it kind of looks a bit like that < 1286997934 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1286997939 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Putin on the ... < 1286997947 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes it is obviously Putin :P < 1286997951 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puttin'_on_the_Ritz < 1286997954 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :putin on the ritz? < 1286997962 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is SOOOOO funny < 1286997962 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yes < 1286997970 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So funny it has a capital SOOOOO? < 1286997972 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augh < 1286997982 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286997986 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, THAAAAAT funny < 1286998117 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286998123 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: HackEgo totally needs a way to take quoted arguments. < 1286998133 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By which I mean "please, god, don't make me feed every call through sh". < 1286998148 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually you can just use _. < 1286998149 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But still. < 1286998177 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the `run thingy isn't that irritating IMO. Just 4 letters more < 1286998193 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but still. < 1286998199 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sure, it would be nice to avoid it < 1286998243 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, still, there are more annoying things, like !haskell doing ghci then ghc, and not reporting any errors for some cases < 1286998252 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(instead just failing silently) < 1286998266 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Wait, does HackEgo have network? < 1286998280 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I seem to remember he used the owner netfilter match < 1286998283 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to check for uid < 1286998292 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to block it for all but a handful of things < 1286998295 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: tl;dr I need *.wikipedia.org access. < 1286998339 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that is, he was considering how to solve the network issue then I mentioned the owner match and he concluded it fitted perfectly, so unless he changed I presume he still uses that < 1286998363 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mhm. < 1286998390 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I just noticed how silly "so unless he changed I presume he still uses that" actually is if you read what it actually means < 1286998414 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It has an http proxy, I can give extra access on request. Wikipedia seems reasonable, one sec.' < 1286998425 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I need all language codes, mind :P < 1286998434 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course he might not be, in which case he isn't, and then doesn't use that) < 1286998438 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I just access normally or do I need to write my program for the proxy? < 1286998442 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, that was a bit too extreme to match zzo < 1286998454 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It needs to be proxy-aware. < 1286998466 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If you're writing something using e.g. wget to do requests, then you're fine. < 1286998469 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Fucking fuckshit fuck you okay how do I do it? < 1286998473 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't, I use urllib2 :P < 1286998482 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Is it SOCKS or something horrible? < 1286998490 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a standard HTTP proxy. < 1286998491 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that's python isn't it (urllib2 I mean)? < 1286998493 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can't be SOCKS. < 1286998496 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes. < 1286998510 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why the 2, I never seem to remember seeing any urllib < 1286998518 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a urllib. < 1286998521 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :urllib2 uses it internally. < 1286998524 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1286998526 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Python 3 it's a saner name. < 1286998531 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286998539 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :class urllib2.ProxyHandler([proxies]) < 1286998540 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cause requests to go through a proxy. If proxies is given, it must be a dictionary mapping protocol names to URLs of proxies. The default is to read the list of proxies from the environment variables . If no proxy environment variables are set, in a Windows environment, proxy settings are obtained from the registry’s Internet Settings section and in a Mac OS X environment, proxy information is retrie < 1286998540 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ved from the OS X System Configuration Framework. < 1286998552 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What's the URoLogy? < 1286998558 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By which I mean URL. < 1286998564 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in $http_proxy < 1286998564 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well that is only to be expected, they did use the opportunity of python 3 breaking things anyway to clear up some weirdness < 1286998596 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $http_proxy < 1286998600 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1286998604 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: OR IS IT < 1286998607 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1286998611 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $HTTP_PROXY FUCK YEAH < 1286998612 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1286998615 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://127.0.0.1:3128 < 1286998616 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK YEAH < 1286998616 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1286998621 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah just slow < 1286998638 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Why couldn't you just IP firewall it ;__ < 1286998641 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*;__; < 1286998646 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, he is doing that as well < 1286998661 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286998661 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, you still use the owner match I presume? < 1286998722 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: "The default is to read the list of proxies from the environment variables" < 1286998725 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should totally set that propertly < 1286998735 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*variables." (it's " ." in the source text but I'm sure that's a mistake.) < 1286998739 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*properly. < 1286998881 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.180.96 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286998892 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I was testing Testing. < 1286998897 0 :cpressey_!~CPressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286998901 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Testing? Testing testing? < 1286998915 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Apparently Sid isn't going to get multiarch support until Squeeze is made stable. < 1286998919 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Testing testing testing? ("Testing to see if you want to test testing") < 1286998923 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: KITTEN < 1286998929 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MULTIARCH UP THE ANUS^WWAZOO < 1286998934 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone should write unit tests for the unit tests of the unit testing framework < 1286998945 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, basically, until then, Debian will suck more than Gentoo on amd64, regardless. < 1286998954 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, multiarch as in proper lib32? < 1286998960 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: So, how *is* Kitten going to handle multiple ABIs? < 1286998962 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be so awesome < 1286998964 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes. < 1286998997 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Gentoo kinda sucks at it and has it very hacky.. (tarballs of libraries) Debian has that, but less comprehensive. < 1286999001 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: # pkg ins libc --arch=x86 < 1286999008 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: # pkg ins libc --arch=x86-64 < 1286999013 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: # pkg ins libc --arch=arm < 1286999018 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And the filesystem layout? < 1286999019 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, most distros I know of has it very hacky < 1286999026 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Quite true. < 1286999039 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Per-ABI bin/lib/... dirs? < 1286999044 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, correction: all distros, except arch recently made it somewhat more sane < 1286999045 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'm open to suggestions on that. Probably something like /lib32, /lib64, /libarm. < 1286999060 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Or, perhaps even: root is your native architecture, beyond that it's /arch/... < 1286999061 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So < 1286999065 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/lib/libc.a < 1286999073 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/x86/lib/libc.a < 1286999077 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But really, I'm open to suggestions. < 1286999086 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Make it the actual ABI tuple. < 1286999095 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Sure. < 1286999102 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, arch still doesn't provide a complete set of 32-bit packages on 64-bit, but the repo and package layouts is quite a bit saner than in gentoo (one package matches one package, not one package matches a bunch of loosely related packages) < 1286999103 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I might hide it away in an /arch/ directory to avoid the ugly. < 1286999109 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, had an ad-hoc meeting. < 1286999114 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, does NetBSD have ABI tuples? < 1286999126 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1286999130 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an autotools convention that's gotten spread elsewhere. < 1286999136 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1286999151 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is one of the few sane things coming from autotools < 1286999152 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'm not sure what the OS part of Kitten's would be though. < 1286999161 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-netbsd-...what? < 1286999194 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it'd probably be best to have the same filesystem layout regardless of what the native ABI is; some packages hardcode paths in, and it's easier to not have to patch that. < 1286999203 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, *-netbsd- < 1286999214 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsd userland? I presume you wouldn't use gnu userland < 1286999216 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: *-netbsd-kitten, then. < 1286999219 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe. < 1286999226 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might use newlib libc with BSD coreutils. Who knows? < 1286999229 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The convention is that the last bit is based on the libc. < 1286999245 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, then *-netbsd-newlib < 1286999260 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But what if I change libc?! (Okay, yeah, everything will have to be rebuilt anyway :P) < 1286999266 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, exactly :P < 1286999269 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, i686-pc-linux-gnu for a "normal" Linux system, but i686-pc-linux-uclibc for a uclibc system. < 1286999279 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, except you could now have them side by side when rebuilding! < 1286999287 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If you have the filesystem layout based on the ABI tuple, you could have them both! < 1286999294 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Even if you dynamically link! < 1286999302 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, the pc stuff, none of my systems have it < 1286999305 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: AAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1286999310 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, yes. < 1286999319 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I'm concerned there's no reason not just to have an arch option when building packages. < 1286999322 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, wait, actually one does < 1286999333 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Easy enough for the package to have arch-specific dependencies, too. < 1286999338 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, Wikipedia was already whitelisted :P < 1286999338 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run wget http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ -O - < 1286999343 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \ \ \ \ < 1286999346 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, one is x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, the other ones are x86_64-linux-gnu < 1286999350 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run wget http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/ -O - | head < 1286999352 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \ \ \ \ < 1286999357 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool. < 1286999409 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, nice coincidence, head getting (most of) < 1286999416 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not most of :P < 1286999421 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a lot in . < 1286999423 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286999468 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run curl http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/ | head < 1286999470 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What's the download-this command again? < 1286999471 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1286999476 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no curl I presume < 1286999488 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, it seems Mandriva is the only distro with actual multi-arch support. < 1286999488 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, `fetch maybe < 1286999491 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gag. < 1286999495 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: KITTEN < 1286999507 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, mandriva is in all other aspects not a sane choice < 1286999518 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Quite right. < 1286999526 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds pretty neat to have all architectures' packages available and installable < 1286999529 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, also I'm surprised it supports it if other RPM based distros don't < 1286999545 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Well, that's the thing; there isn't one pakage per architecture. < 1286999553 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, mostly useful for ones you can run, for cross compiling it is a bit more work < 1286999554 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's "newlib" and if it supports the given architecture, good for you. < 1286999564 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, source based distro? < 1286999566 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It will treat it all as cross-compilation. < 1286999573 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, is this source-based? < 1286999580 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just with the knowledge that "gcc -m32" is a valid 32-bit cross-compiler on 64-bit. < 1286999583 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ever done a canadian cross? < 1286999589 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: olsner: Not source-based. < 1286999598 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although you will be able to build-and-install a package with one command. < 1286999603 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you really want to for some reason. < 1286999611 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: RPM itself actually has support for multiple ABIs. No other distro *actually uses it*. < 1286999616 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott, ever done a canadian cross? < 1286999618 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. Thank god. < 1286999619 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, heh < 1286999627 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, indeed < 1286999646 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Canadian cross = just don't go there. < 1286999666 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically 32-bit and 64-bit support will just work... I'll have to tell the package manager about cross-compilers for --arch=arm on x86 or something, but that's not so difficult. < 1286999668 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I heard someone cross compiling gdb on OS X to run on linux (the resulting gdb binary that is). Why? Because it had to target debugging OS X. Remote kernel debugging. < 1286999671 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cross-compiling a cross-compiler? what's so hard about that? :D < 1286999674 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean... < 1286999676 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it didn't want to compile on linux < 1286999684 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All it has to do is install the relevant cross-compiler. < 1286999691 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to that, a canadian cross seems like a stroll in the park! < 1286999697 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There probably won't be one package per host and target architecture.) < 1286999710 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Instead, a cross-compiling gcc or whatever will be a single metapackage, taking host and target as argument/options.) < 1286999713 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: There effectively is no anything-to-OS-X cross-compiler, so that's unsurprising. < 1286999716 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if you do canadian cross of the compiler, you'll probably want to do it of the rest of the toolchain too, including gdb < 1286999738 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch http://pastie.org/pastes/1218858/text?key=rmrta4udnevkdlwt0vgxg < 1286999742 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2010-10-13 18:55:36 URL:http://pastie.org/pastes/1218858/text?key=rmrta4udnevkdlwt0vgxg [1486/1486] -> "text?key=rmrta4udnevkdlwt0vgxg" [1] < 1286999743 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, actually the guy got the cross compiling to OS X to kind of work, but not for gdb. < 1286999750 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the osx-linux-osx gdb thing would pretty much be included in the work for the canadian cross < 1286999751 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1286999755 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that actually doesn't work without `run < 1286999760 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm "text?key=rmrta4udnevkdlwt0vgxg" < 1286999763 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1286999774 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wtf < 1286999774 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, as in, he successfully cross compiled "hell of a world" as a test (he refused to use "hello world" after all he had to go through to make it work) < 1286999779 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's html < 1286999779 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1286999782 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :&prop < 1286999784 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :turned into alpha < 1286999785 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow < 1286999786 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait no not alpha < 1286999789 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :proportional-to < 1286999913 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch http://pastie.org/pastes/1218882/text?key=1grvzo3sho5cexf4rrmog < 1286999915 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2010-10-13 18:58:29 URL:http://pastie.org/pastes/1218882/text?key=1grvzo3sho5cexf4rrmog [1553/1553] -> "text?key=1grvzo3sho5cexf4rrmog" [1] < 1286999919 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mv text?key=1grvzo3sho5cexf4rrmog bin/wl < 1286999924 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run chmod +x bin/wl < 1286999924 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1286999929 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1286999934 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wl sv sill < 1286999941 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait < 1286999942 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1286999943 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I downloaded the text < 1286999948 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if kitten is netbsd-based, will the freebsd opera builds work? < 1286999956 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1286999960 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: maybe. who knows? if not, try the linux emulation ;) < 1286999965 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch http://pastie.org/pastes/1218882/download?key=1grvzo3sho5cexf4rrmog < 1286999968 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2010-10-13 18:59:22 URL:http://pastie.org/pastes/1218882/download?key=1grvzo3sho5cexf4rrmog [1124/1124] -> "download?key=1grvzo3sho5cexf4rrmog" [1] < 1286999981 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat download?key=1grvzo3sho5cexf4rrmog >bin/wl; rm download?key=1grvzo3sho5cexf4rrmog < 1286999988 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1286999990 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wl sv sill < 1286999993 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1287000000 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run wl 'sv sill' 2>&1 < 1287000004 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traceback (most recent call last): \ File "/tmp/hackenv.13346/bin/wl", line 5, in \ import json \ ImportError: No module named json < 1287000011 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run python --version < 1287000013 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1287000017 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run python -V < 1287000019 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1287000022 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run python -V 2>&1 < 1287000024 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python 2.5.5 < 1287000027 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: 2.6 plz < 1287000042 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, will kitten still run on toasters? < 1287000052 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes. If your toaster can run X11. < 1287000060 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Okay, so X11 isn't required, but still.) < 1287000074 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hah. Will it be officially supported? < 1287000087 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, if your toaster has a standard PC inside. < 1287000098 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ouch. That is not likely < 1287000108 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither is your toaster having any kind of computer inside :) < 1287000125 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well of course, but I meant, even ATX-mini is a bit large :P < 1287000127 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: OTOH, all brands of coffee maker will be supported. < 1287000139 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully I will support RFC2324. < 1287000156 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, RFC2324 is sucky. It isn't even REST! < 1287000171 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah nice, I have one here that is completely devoid of anything like an integrated circuit < 1287000189 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I redefine "coffee maker" to mean "coffee maker with a computer hooked up to it". < 1287000192 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is just a plain old electrical coffee maker, so simple inside that even your grandmum could understand it :P < 1287000206 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's all this about toasting kittens? < 1287000206 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and that computer must be a PC? :D < 1287000219 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, ...you did that intentionally right? < 1287000229 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Toasted kittens? NEVER! < 1287000243 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Wow, RFC2324 is sucky. It isn't even REST! <-- the cofee makers never rest! < 1287000300 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alias coffee="curl -d '' http://kitchenpc:999/brew" < 1287000303 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: How about 2.7 < 1287000307 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: BTW, one of the major reasons to actually have per-ABI directories is so that you actually have the flexibility to do something like install x86 programs on ARM and have them "just work" with qemu (and Linux's arbitrary ABI support). < 1287000318 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alias coffee-status="curl -q http://kitchenpc:999/status" < 1287000319 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, um that should be the BREW method :P < 1287000320 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ coffee < 1287000324 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ coffee-status < 1287000325 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO COFFEE YET < 1287000330 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ coffee; coffee; coffee; coffee; coffee; coffee; coffee; coffee; coffee; coffee; coffee; coffee; coffee < 1287000342 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FLOOD < 1287000350 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as in, a flood of coffee) < 1287000352 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, this is HTCPCPCP < 1287000361 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hyper Text Coffee Pot Control Protocol Crappy. Perfect! < 1287000366 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes indeed! it flooded your kitchen with cofee < 1287000369 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coffee < 1287000369 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is the RESTful alternatiev to HTCPCP. < 1287000395 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eugh, "BREW method" ... don't write brew with all-caps or I'll be reminded of Binary Runtime Environment for Wireless :/ < 1287000415 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hungarian coffee < 1287000415 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, what was binary runtime environment for wireless? < 1287000423 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BREW < 1287000428 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You can apt upgrade the stuff inside, right? < 1287000433 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Plz just upgrade Python to 2.6 < 1287000433 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No. < 1287000439 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But I can install from source. < 1287000443 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Okay... well... do that please :P < 1287000448 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python 2.5.5 is ancientish. < 1287000451 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why 2.6 and not 2.7? < 1287000459 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Sure, 2.7. < 1287000462 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian is just ancient. < 1287000466 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I didn't think it'd have 2.7. < 1287000468 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH SNAP < 1287000481 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worse yet, HackBot is on Debian Lenny. < 1287000484 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is why it has 2.5 < 1287000510 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, is lenny not like previous stable? < 1287000511 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't they promise to start upgrading regularly? < 1287000512 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BREW :( < 1287000515 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: current stable < 1287000519 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1287000520 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's had point-releases < 1287000522 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but fuck that shit < 1287000529 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Get on to fucking that shit, stat. < 1287000538 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Anyway, not hamm? < 1287000541 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, which was previous stable? There was something in between woody and lenny right? < 1287000554 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I mean, ideally buzz of course, but hamm at the very least. < 1287000557 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why not python 3 btw? < 1287000570 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Potato < 1287000571 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I used potato once :P < 1287000573 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Python 3 is completely useless as it has approximately 0 library support and approximately 0 things written in it. < 1287000579 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone want to hear a TERRIBLE math class homework question? < 1287000581 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Potato is .2 versions newer than hamm! Can't have that. < 1287000604 0 :oklopol!~oklopol@xdsl-83-150-123-242.nebulazone.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1287000606 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: ALWAYS < 1287000606 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, what will Debian do when they run out of Toy Story characters? < 1287000611 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Start naming them after the individual soldiers? < 1287000621 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which of the following are continuous functions? (Select all that apply.) < 1287000624 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Use Toy Story {2,3} characters, presumably. < 1287000630 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 The temperature at a specific location as a function of time. 2 The temperature at a specific time as a function of the distance due west from New York City. 3 The altitude above < 1287000632 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: And then? :P < 1287000634 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : sea level as a function of the distance due west from New York City. 4 The cost of a taxi ride as a function of the distance traveled. 5 The current in the circuit for the lights in a < 1287000638 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : room as a function of time. < 1287000647 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Even that plan has... flaws. < 1287000653 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: "Boy, I can't wait for Debian barbie!" < 1287000658 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, any other ones? < 1287000660 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just about to say that :P < 1287000661 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, or was that all? < 1287000666 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tht's it < 1287000668 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://lackof.org/taggart/hacking/multiarch/ Oh, here's a thought on how to do multiarch "right". < 1287000673 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I preordered the Barbie Computer Engineer :P < 1287000691 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, well I don't know about taxi, but all the other ones are discrete, due to quantum mechanics < 1287000698 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Debian lotsohugginbear < 1287000698 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my best guess at reading the asker's mind says "the first three" while the actual correct answer i believe to be "none of the above" < 1287000706 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: reading < 1287000720 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: (Yes yes, it'd just be lotso, shut up.) < 1287000731 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, the problem is compounded by not knowing whether the asker wants time zones to be taken into account in number 2. < 1287000742 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: OK, well, it looks relatively good, except: < 1287000755 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: The -os prefix is stupid, Kitten is not going to run on the same FS as any other OS. < 1287000767 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Maybe ... JUST MAYBE ... at some point they'll come to their senses and use numbers. < 1287000768 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, anyway, current in a circuit might be continuous if there is a dimmer connected (well not really due to quantum mechanics9 < 1287000769 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: And /*/foo directories are silly and /foo/* is a far better structure for things like that. < 1287000772 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/9/)/ < 1287000793 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Debian stretch < 1287000795 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Debian chunk < 1287000796 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But you might want to support another OS's ABI someday. < 1287000799 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal: ignoring quantum mechanical effects, 5 would be continuous with or without a dimmer. < 1287000801 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Debian chattertelephone < 1287000806 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Debian jackinthebox < 1287000812 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian pricklepants < 1287000821 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("What are you running?" "Debian pricklepants.") < 1287000822 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, well yes, since current doesn't change instantly < 1287000828 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Well, okay, NetBSD does support Linux emulation. < 1287000831 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: BUT STILL < 1287000834 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i suspect the asker expects to also ignore the latency in change of current in a wire < 1287000840 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Debian totoro (I <3 THAT CAMEO FOREVER) < 1287000841 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, so why not write a proper answer to it! < 1287000849 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(<3 <3 <3) < 1287000855 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Just use it so that you can have multiple kernel ABIs "just work". < 1287000861 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: MAYBE < 1287000872 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Not having to change things in the future is GOOD. < 1287000878 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'LL THINK ABOUT IT < 1287000879 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, surely you can't get in trouble from writing a paragraph answering it properly < 1287000890 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oh man Debian zurg. < 1287000895 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That had better be the best release EVER. < 1287000910 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's not my homework. i have no need to. i just wanted to post its awfulness here so that i could say that the person whose homework it is, after getting a wave of complaints that the question is ambiguous, said "i'll go ask somewhere where people will actually want to help me." < 1287000914 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: They can use that as a transitionary release by spelling it both "zurg" and "zerg" < 1287000922 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Then they can have Debian Protoss and Debian Terran < 1287000927 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : quintopia, well I don't know about taxi, but all the other ones are discrete, due to quantum mechanics ;; oh come on < 1287000929 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly that doesn't get them too much farther ... < 1287000937 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, okay then the person who asked for help is stupid too < 1287000939 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Unit names. < 1287000945 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: PERFECTION < 1287000947 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: jexactly < 1287000951 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wasn't it obvious it was a joke? < 1287000966 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, because it wasn't funny :P < 1287000986 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Wait. With Totoro they can "reasonably" claim that My Neighbour Totoro took place entirely within the Toy Story universe. < 1287001002 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, okay, lets rephrase that: wasn't it obvious it couldn't have been meant to be taken seriously? < 1287001002 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'm talkin' Debian catbus here. < 1287001002 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Alternately, they could *commission* more Toy Story films just to have more namespace. < 1287001006 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: :P < 1287001006 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i also stated that the correct answer would be "none of the above" due to the discrete nature of the universe. want to bitch me out for pedanticism too? < 1287001009 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: There ya go, lots of new names. < 1287001012 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: YES < 1287001012 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1287001014 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Yes < 1287001026 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, Debian catbus. < 1287001034 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No OS can ever possibly hope to live up to that name. < 1287001036 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Toy Story 4: Debian Versioning" < 1287001048 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1287001072 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But Disney/Pixar are jerks, so they give all the characters names in Klingon. < 1287001077 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or numbers. < 1287001087 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, I'm 4.7 < 1287001095 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian Qapla' < 1287001098 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Debian wouldn't use the number-names in order. < 1287001107 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They'd have Debian 5.5, then Debian 4.7, then Debian 8.2 < 1287001112 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Debian 8 "4.7" < 1287001117 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*8.0 < 1287001120 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly :P < 1287001144 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe Debian 8.0 "Four Point Seven" < 1287001149 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be quite fun < 1287001166 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1287001171 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh man, the Tux would have to be a character in Toy Story 4: Debian Versioning. < 1287001173 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*no the < 1287001184 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With his friend, Debian < 1287001189 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian 12.0 debian < 1287001194 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, they could reuse the cast from previous movies in the newly commissioned one. That would be even more jerky < 1287001206 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deb http://http.us.debian/org/debian debian main < 1287001242 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh and of course the Gnu gnu, just to irritate everyone but FSF. Oh wait, they would probably irritated too, since that is the natural state of them. < 1287001267 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian 13.0 "gnu" < 1287001275 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have rms appear as the main antagonist < 1287001277 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should have the cast be: woody, buzz, bo peep, the main bug from bug's life, the little boy from Up, Mike Waczowski, and Tux < 1287001288 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they won't use outright evil characters for release names will they :( < 1287001298 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no. Debian GNU/Linux 12.0 "gnu" < 1287001298 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1287001299 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sid < 1287001310 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1287001334 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1287001340 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian 14.0 "Linux linux" < 1287001342 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, sid is always fixed to unstable though afaik < 1287001344 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ...is the unstable release. < 1287001350 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, are the debian releases named after toy story characters? < 1287001353 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They'll never codename experimental because that's giving it too much legitimacy :P < 1287001356 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Yeees... < 1287001357 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And an outright evil character. < 1287001360 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, .... yes < 1287001364 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, or actually no < 1287001367 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1287001367 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, it is the other way around < 1287001378 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1287001382 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a coincidence! < 1287001384 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, Toy story characters are named after Debian releases < 1287001393 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: sid is never released. < 1287001394 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's not a release. < 1287001431 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, experimental, is that like unstable, just more so? < 1287001438 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the next release codename is actually coming from Toy Story 2. < 1287001442 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"wheezy". < 1287001459 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm when did they run out of Toy Story characters? < 1287001463 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or when are they going to maybe < 1287001471 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Staging area for things that have yet to hit unstable. < 1287001477 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, heh < 1287001480 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are plenty of characters left < 1287001499 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would definitely use Debian T-Rex < 1287001507 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what'll happen with Ubuntu. < 1287001514 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott, hm when did they run out of Toy Story characters? < 1287001515 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, in what sense? < 1287001517 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They'll be fine for years. < 1287001524 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah < 1287001530 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they will start over from the beginning of the alphabet iirc < 1287001530 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since they have a release once every two years or so :P < 1287001531 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: when ubuntu run out of alphabet < 1287001536 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: twice a year < 1287001536 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1287001537 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1287001547 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So in something like 2017, OH GOD < 1287001552 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zygotic Zebra will come out < 1287001569 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zygotic. Wow. < 1287001570 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then... THEN WHAT < 1287001578 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yes, even I'm amazed at how awesome that was. < 1287001579 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then Amorphous Aardvark. They have yet to use A. < 1287001582 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, they wouldn't use zygotic < 1287001588 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shut up. < 1287001594 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, they will just continue incrementing the unicode code point < 1287001596 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zany maybe < 1287001598 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Truth < 1287001601 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: You are boring < 1287001605 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What letter did they start on? < 1287001606 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when that runs out we are probably not using *nix based systems any more < 1287001607 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait... < 1287001608 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, more likely, zippy, "CAUSE ITS FAST LOL" < 1287001612 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They only started the alphabetical thing recently. < 1287001614 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well "recently" < 1287001618 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: W, then H, then B, then they went alphabetical. < 1287001620 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1287001623 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :W, H, B, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N is planned. < 1287001636 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1287001647 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they have two Hs. Heh. < 1287001650 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, which one was the first H? < 1287001652 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they have A, B and C after 2017. < 1287001656 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They reüsed H. Darnit. < 1287001656 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so next would be Þ < 1287001658 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second would be hedgehog < 1287001658 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So 2018/2019. < 1287001659 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something hippo < 1287001662 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Hoary Hedgehog < 1287001665 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lame < 1287001669 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, was that not the second one? < 1287001671 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then Ð < 1287001682 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second was hardy heron < 1287001684 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes. < 1287001686 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1287001689 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: no it wasn't < 1287001692 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardy heron was 8.04 < 1287001694 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then Ƿ < 1287001696 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoary hedgehog was 5.04 < 1287001698 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: second h < 1287001701 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1287001704 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you meant < 1287001705 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :second ubuntu < 1287001707 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which was hoary) < 1287001710 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1287001727 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, on the other hand, think of a suitable name starting with c < 1287001729 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't < 1287001730 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway after Cashmere Civet they'll have run out. < 1287001742 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, best I managed was "chaotic camel" < 1287001745 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about Cheshire Cat < 1287001748 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which does not sound very good < 1287001751 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And move to Toy Story characters. < 1287001753 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then... < 1287001755 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a whole list of planned future names for ubuntu versions already...put your suggestions there < 1287001761 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, Cheshire is not an adjective < 1287001764 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Abrasive Ab... < 1287001764 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ab... < 1287001766 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh... < 1287001774 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, must it be first *two* letters? < 1287001779 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You fail < 1287001783 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes it is. "Of or relating to Cheshire." < 1287001785 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Abalone < 1287001788 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, oh hah < 1287001798 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Have rms appear as the main antagonist <-- this made me think of the bathtub monster from Rose is Rose (both eat toes) < 1287001800 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, they need to get aardvark < 1287001801 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes. < 1287001813 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aardvarklike Aardvark < 1287001817 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1287001819 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, seriously, Ab < 1287001822 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Animal starting with Ab < 1287001822 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aardvarkish Aardvark? < 1287001829 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: abalone IS animal < 1287001829 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, "hardy heron", "karmic koala"? < 1287001832 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Anthropomorphic Aardvark. For the furries. < 1287001832 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You already said Abalone < 1287001838 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that is first one letter, not first two < 1287001839 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Yes < 1287001841 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Errr < 1287001844 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Abrasive Aberlone < 1287001845 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/you/quintopia/ >_> < 1287001847 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Abalone < 1287001852 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait < 1287001855 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right Vorpal < 1287001858 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It has to be aa < 1287001878 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAaaaaaaaargh Aardvark < 1287001881 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott@dinky:~/Code/wl$ grep '^aa' /usr/share/dict/words < 1287001881 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aardvark < 1287001881 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aardvark's < 1287001881 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aardvarks < 1287001884 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't it rather be something like aardvarkomorphic anthrope to refer to furries? < 1287001885 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the pirates fed up with ubuntu < 1287001901 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : you're right Vorpal <-- of course ;) < 1287001912 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO IGNORING AA < 1287001917 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: A'a Aarvdvark? < 1287001921 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Accurate Ac... < 1287001921 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ac... < 1287001935 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually Aardvark? < 1287001940 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/accurate/acerbic/ < 1287001945 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Acerbic Ac... < 1287001946 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ac... < 1287001948 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HALP < 1287001956 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"andalism" -- first line of [[Abalone]] < 1287001977 0 :cpressey!~CPressey@12.116.117.150 JOIN :#esoteric < 1287001995 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway, jaunty was the only one I remember where it is actually first two letters that are the same. < 1287002011 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But after Cashmere Civet, they've run out of alphabet. < 1287002018 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we go to Aa, Ab, ..., Az, ..., Zz < 1287002021 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Accidental Acupuncturist < 1287002028 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: THAT IS NOT AN ANIMAL < 1287002028 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, an acupuncturist is an animal. < 1287002032 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so they keep incrementing the unicode codepoint I told you! < 1287002033 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1287002038 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1287002048 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :acanthocephelan ftw! < 1287002050 0 :tombom!tombom@86.25.51.220 JOIN :#esoteric < 1287002050 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1287002050 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1287002053 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: So... { < 1287002057 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{eric {gne < 1287002061 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, they need to get something starting with the del char into the dictionary quickly < 1287002063 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1287002064 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The famous {gne animal. < 1287002074 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, indeed! < 1287002087 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't wait for いたい　いぬ (itai inu). < 1287002094 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't wait til Gnaught Gnu comes out. < 1287002104 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, once they reach the Chinese letters it will be easy < 1287002104 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Gnaughty < 1287002123 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ghastly Gnu < 1287002126 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm, which one was I? < 1287002129 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in < 1287002134 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gnawing Gnu. < 1287002135 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: intrepid ibex < 1287002137 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1287002153 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what was F? < 1287002157 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what was E? < 1287002158 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1287002164 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fucking Falcon < 1287002174 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I swear they pick intentionally obscure adjectives. Okay, lucid wasn't, but many other ones were < 1287002175 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erect Ermine < 1287002188 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fucking Falcon, how does that work? < 1287002199 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: have you a cloaca? < 1287002208 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(By the principle of the Multiparadigm clusterfuck, apparently.) < 1287002221 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: haven't checked recently < 1287002222 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Wordnet says: http://p.zem.fi/ab-animals -- okay, so it counts pretty much anything that's alive by any definition, but... < 1287002239 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Abortus? < 1287002244 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the ... result of an abortion? < 1287002250 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes. < 1287002254 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: THAT'S NOT ALIVE < 1287002266 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, http://p.zem.fi/b5og you see. < 1287002269 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Accredited Achatellinus < 1287002273 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: you can do it with one hand, while typing < 1287002274 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amiable Abortus < 1287002322 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, there's two quite viable ab-animals there: < 1287002327 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. abalone, ear-shell -- (any of various large edible marine gastropods of the genus Haliotis having an ear-shaped shell with pearly interior) < 1287002328 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. abrocome, chinchilla rat, rat chinchilla -- (ratlike rodent with soft fur and large ears of the Andes) < 1287002331 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When do we get to Augmented Australopithecine? < 1287002338 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Already said abalone. < 1287002348 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: "Ages away" < 1287002369 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or are WE the Augmented Australopithecine? < 1287002372 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Oooooh) < 1287002374 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Aaaaah) < 1287002378 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Abortus isn't animal, it's a murdered human! < 1287002378 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What # is u in the alphabet? < 1287002392 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Right next to me.") < 1287002406 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what? < 1287002412 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :abcdefghijklmnopqrstu < 1287002413 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21 < 1287002413 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: A, B, C, D, E, F, G < 1287002424 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Augmented Australopithecine is in about 2039. < 1287002425 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P < 1287002425 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Q, R, S < 1287002427 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: T, _U_ < 1287002427 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do re mi fa so la ti do < 1287002437 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Axiomatic Axolotl < 1287002438 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :M=Math;C=12;f=[];R=[];A='charCodeAt';S='slice';for(P=0;P<96;){k="/SN;__/NK;OL/QN;__/OL;NK4L@@_C4_G@OL4SO@__4QN@OL3NB?_G3_K?OL/QN;__/SK;__4OL@__4LC@_G4LC@_G4_C@_G"[A](P);D="\0\0";for(j=0;k<95&&j<1e4;){v=M.max(-1e4,M.min(1e4,1e6*M.sin(j*M.pow(2,k/C)/695)))/M.exp(j++/5e3);D+=String.fromCharCode(v&255,v>>8&255)}R[P++]=new Audio("data:audio/wav;base64,UklGRgAAAABXQVZFZm10IBAAAAABAAEAwF0AAIC7AAACABAAZGF0YSBO < 1287002439 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"+btoa(D))}for(e=i=252;i--;)f[i]=i%C&&i<240?(i+1)%C?r=0:'█
':'█';t=p=4;function d(c){for(q=p+[13,14,26,25][r%4],i=1;i<99;q+=((i*=2)==8?[9,-37,-9,37]:[1,C,-1,-C])[r%4])if('36cqrtx'[A](t)&i)if(-c){if(f[q])return 1}else f[q]=c}function m(e){Q=[-1,0,1,C][e?e.keyCode-37:3]||0;d(0);p+=Q;r+=!Q;s=d(1);if(s)p-=Q,r-=!Q;d('▒');document.body.innerHTML=f.join('').replace(/0/g,'░');return s}onkeydown=m;o= < 1287002439 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :function(){P=P%96;for(_ in[1,2,3])R[P++].play();if(m()){t=~~(7*M.random()),p=r=4;e=d(1)?1e9:e;for(y=0;y<240;)if(f[S](y,y+=C).join().indexOf('0')<0)f=f[S](0,C).concat(f[S](0,y-C),f[S](y))}setTimeout(o,e*=0.997)};o() < 1287002442 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ Tetris, with music. < 1287002443 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*do re mi fa sol la si do < 1287002453 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://js1k.com/demo/730 < 1287002457 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fis@eris:~$ wn animal -treen < 1287002457 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hyponyms of noun animal < 1287002457 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Search too large. Narrow search and try again... < 1287002457 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(What a silly limited thing.) < 1287002460 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ? < 1287002489 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aloril, lang? < 1287002493 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, lang? < 1287002499 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: javascript < 1287002503 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see http://js1k.com/demo/730 in firefox < 1287002505 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no music in chrome) < 1287002530 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the music actually coded into the program? < 1287002534 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Just correcting your solfege :P < 1287002544 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have to love the data:audio/wav dynamic audio-synthery. < 1287002547 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you pinged me earlier < 1287002548 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1287002552 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also how goes wa? < 1287002553 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: did I? < 1287002563 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it's ti in some languages < 1287002564 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:08 < elliott> coppro: Get on to fucking that shit, stat. < 1287002564 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes. < 1287002566 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It's also computed. < 1287002567 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: ah yes. < 1287002577 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:08 < elliott> coppro: Get on to fucking that shit, stat. < 1287002577 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you are the coprophiliac < 1287002581 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1287002594 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: LOSER LANGUAGES. < 1287002594 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: tetris is popular as a programming project precisely because it can be written with so little code < 1287002604 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is it the actual Tetris music? < 1287002607 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes. < 1287002609 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just load the page! < 1287002631 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O.o < 1287002635 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Oh come on, Tetris with speeding-up and *the original Tetris theme generated in wav* in 1024 bytes is pretty damn impressive. < 1287002636 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://js1k.com/demo/730 < 1287002681 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the first 8 bars or so, not the full piece. < 1287002690 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: oh shut up < 1287002691 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's awesome < 1287002724 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking they had some awesome procedural generator specially configured to belt out the full theme. < 1287002726 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT HAPPY < 1287002738 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: IT'S AWESOME GO TO HELL < 1287002755 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway it's approximately the whole theme. < 1287002759 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT NOT AS AWESOME AS IT COULD BE < 1287002766 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i'm not hearing the music in firefox, and also, this version doesn't seem to let me hold down a key to move the block a long distance < 1287002767 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's enough to sing I Am The Man... to it. < 1287002773 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: which Fx version? < 1287002775 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION needs a decent pair of speakers, but is cheap. Dammit.
< 1287002780 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, holding down helps < 1287002781 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for speed < 1287002787 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i don't think you realise just how little code 1k is < 1287002795 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.6.3 < 1287002798 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: How goes 2.6? < 1287002803 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: OS? < 1287002813 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on 3.6.10, so, try upgrading. < 1287002818 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Apparently it's in the repos, but since I hadn't updated Hackbot's chroot in roughly all eternity, it's not installed :P < 1287002828 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I thought you said you were gonna source it. < 1287002838 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I was, until I noticed it was in the repo anyway. < 1287002843 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: So how's that going < 1287002848 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still upgrading. < 1287002856 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1287002861 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet it breaks everything. < 1287002865 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. < 1287002870 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But *eh*, these things happen. < 1287002889 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've recreated the Hcakiki chroot three times after breaking it horribly by trying to do stupid things. < 1287002893 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can do the same with Hackbot. < 1287002895 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Hackiki < 1287002897 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*HackBot < 1287002936 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, where is my preview of the next block >: < 1287002961 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Man up. < 1287002974 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION writes HASKTRIS
< 1287002979 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, wait. < 1287002980 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lazytris < 1287002987 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Then compile that to <1K of JS. < 1287002991 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: X-D No. < 1287003017 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell randomIO < 1287003032 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: :| < 1287003042 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I do not like you, elliott. < 1287003064 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I do not like green eggs and ham, either. < 1287003072 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not like them, Ego I am. < 1287003092 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I do not like them on the 'net. < 1287003108 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't rhyme *shrugs* < 1287003144 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell 42 < 1287003156 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :42 < 1287003206 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what an unexpected result! < 1287003228 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess it is too lazy to compute the question < 1287003245 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1287003267 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in lazytris the block isn't actually drawn until it hits bottom. you better _pray_ you hit the right buttons. < 1287003313 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, actually, the blocks doesn't hit the bottom until you lose. < 1287003316 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/imgs/rc.png Images I've left floating around codu.org that are totally self-descriptive. < 1287003339 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: wicked < 1287003344 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, hah < 1287003353 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is the nineties and there is time for JSKlax? < 1287003381 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, any idea what rc.png actually is. I'm genuinely interested < 1287003388 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not even the foggiest bit of a clue. < 1287003403 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, to tell the truth it looks pretty random. Which rules out a lot of stuff rc could stand for < 1287003408 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly something with poorly-correlated axes. < 1287003421 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :race condition! < 1287003429 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, what about timestamp on file? < 1287003429 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Random Crap < 1287003435 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, maybe you could grep logs < 1287003444 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if ever mentioned on irc < 1287003447 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it was #esoteric-related. < 1287003453 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or otherwise IRC-related < 1287003453 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION greps gregor's logs
< 1287003460 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay < 1287003472 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: I hope you're using a -E! < 1287003474 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : It is the nineties and there is time for JSKlax? ;; wat < 1287003482 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right klax. < 1287003518 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :klix klax < 1287003541 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sequence.repeat$randomIO < 1287003542 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make this work plz < 1287003548 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1287003590 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a chance < 1287003622 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha randomRs < 1287003622 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try randoms<$>newStdGen instead < 1287003634 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right :p < 1287003666 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude Random> g<-newStdGen < 1287003669 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude Random> randoms g :: [Int] < 1287003669 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ < 1287003706 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1287003749 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Whoever writes copy for the Xubuntu installer should be shot. < 1287003755 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What does it say? < 1287003758 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run top -l 1 < 1287003770 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: erm did it hang at [ ? < 1287003773 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes < 1287003774 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's got grammatical and spelling errors. < 1287003779 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Do quote. < 1287003792 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one I remember most strong was "linux". < 1287003793 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1287003795 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, lower-case. < 1287003799 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: (Xubuntu doesn't get nearly as much love as (K)ubuntu) < 1287003829 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cough*aptosid*cough* < 1287003832 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1287003846 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What differences does it have from Sid? < 1287003852 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: More ricer. < 1287003858 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Just bugfixes. < 1287003859 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It's sid for people who think that pre-installed KDE is a grand idea. < 1287003866 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, the LiveCD uses KDE.) < 1287003874 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The XFCE live CD uses XFCE. < 1287003888 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meanwhile, sid uses whatever the fuck you install :P < 1287003902 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I would be surprised if the xfce livecd used, say, fluxbox < 1287003904 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1287003905 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is basically no reason not to just use testing anyway. < 1287003924 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: aptosid is more up-to-date than testing, at the cost of being less stable. < 1287003932 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :testing is not exactly out-of-date. < 1287003940 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Depends on the packages. < 1287003944 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: *package < 1287003955 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Some packages are basically right up to latest, others trail behind. < 1287003955 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Testing's usually pretty up-to-date. It only ceases to be even vaguely so when they do a freeze for a new stable. < 1287003970 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yeah, the freezes are annoying to) < 1287003981 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell import System.Random; main = print.take 10.randoms=<_< < 1287004018 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott@dinky:~/Code/lazytris$ runhaskell lazytris.hs | head -c 50 < 1287004018 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[-7911342775086485719,-3419649560986927097,-704380lazytris.hs: : commitAndReleaseBuffer: resource vanished (Broken pipe) < 1287004046 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this game is hard: http://js1k.com/demo/823 (my high score after 4 plays is only 11!) < 1287004053 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm not surprised at the broken pipe < 1287004060 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: http://sibeli.us/ <-- this game is hard < 1287004065 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yikes < 1287004065 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not 1K JS though) < 1287004067 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I meant the integers. < 1287004075 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, they *are* integers < 1287004081 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Yes they are. < 1287004088 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That game makes you listen to Sibelius, though. < 1287004090 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so just do abs() or something if that is the issue < 1287004100 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that is nasty < 1287004117 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: s/makes/allows/ < 1287004137 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, what is the goal of the game? < 1287004139 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Or use randomRs. < 1287004147 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Welcome to Sibeli.us! This is a web based version of that insipid game-music genre that's popular lately, with a twist: The music is Sibelius' Finlandia. Sound easy? Feel free to try! Use the keys '1', '2', '3' and '4' or 's', 'w', 'b' and 'p' when an action hits the relevant letter (and music). And have fun! < 1287004164 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It needs to penalise you for pressing swbp when there's nothing there. < 1287004169 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It does. < 1287004176 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It just doesn't let your score go below 0. < 1287004177 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Doesn't go negative though. < 1287004179 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LAME < 1287004191 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1287004194 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mixed up people < 1287004196 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : this game is hard: http://js1k.com/demo/823 (my high score after 4 plays is only 11!) < 1287004199 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to go for minimum possible score! < 1287004199 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the one I meant < 1287004204 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the goal of that game < 1287004204 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Get the blue. < 1287004206 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1287004208 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get the orange < 1287004209 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are blue < 1287004210 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1287004215 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grey is dead < 1287004219 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :timer runs out is dead < 1287004227 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1287004249 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://sibeli.us/ <-- "meh, flash" < 1287004256 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, I'm no sibelius fan < 1287004277 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Flash only for audio. < 1287004283 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, oh? < 1287004285 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: And don't say HTML5. < 1287004290 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, don't you um need that for the page? < 1287004292 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTML5 < 1287004292 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: If you say HTML5, I punch you in the face. < 1287004295 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that was the installer for the last LTS version. Why would I want *that*? < 1287004300 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: that game would be ridiculously easy if it were smooth and synced with the music properly < 1287004304 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION punches elliott in the face.
< 1287004308 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Windows? < 1287004315 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It's punch-worthy because it works! < 1287004318 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GREGORLOGIC < 1287004331 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or I guess Gregor supports IE. < 1287004341 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor: no. it would probably work in windows. adobe supports windows... < 1287004348 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: No, it's SHIT in Windows. < 1287004352 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: It's much better everywhere else. < 1287004360 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i shall attempt it in chrome < 1287004392 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/chrome/chromium/ < 1287004393 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Gregor: It's punch-worthy because it works! <-- he thinks it doesn't < 1287004396 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for zee < 1287004411 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't work for ZEE for different reasons ... < 1287004426 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, except for zee it works nicely < 1287004428 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with html5 < 1287004434 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't work for Sibeli.us because no implementation communicates time very well. < 1287004445 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your mom doesn't communism. < 1287004447 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION forces elliott to use gopher5
< 1287004453 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For ZEE HTML5 can't loop properly. Neither can Flash, but it's a modicum better. < 1287004475 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, why not just use jsmips + proper code to loop! ;) < 1287004490 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Because HTML5 doesn't support synth, only feeding it audio files. < 1287004496 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :import Random < 1287004496 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :main=do{g<-newStdGen;let b=randomRs(0,6)g::[Int]} < 1287004497 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1287004499 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The beginnings of LAZYTRIS < 1287004509 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, no streams? < 1287004521 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Honestly, if HTML5 Audio had a function to just hand it bits to spit out, that would be ideal. < 1287004527 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: #whatwg < 1287004539 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It can do streams (sometimes), but that's a waste of bandwidth if you're just looping. < 1287004539 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, with streams you could do it properly server-side < 1287004547 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1287004549 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/igork/pluda/ < 1287004561 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, maybe you need to do it locally instead of in the browser then < 1287004567 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, using sdl or such < 1287004576 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The SDL version of ZEE loops beautifully :P < 1287004584 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is why I sort of don't care that the browser version is crapsiloo. < 1287004588 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, oh, you somehow combined sdl + js? < 1287004594 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup >:) < 1287004599 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, how < 1287004599 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/gjs/ < 1287004610 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Manually is how :P < 1287004617 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slow to load < 1287004622 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still waiting < 1287004628 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Codu is doing a system upgrade right now, yeeeesh < 1287004659 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, timed out < 1287004671 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION projects hatred at Vorpal
< 1287004676 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, why? < 1287004679 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah now it works < 1287004689 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Codu is doing a system upgrade right now, yeeeesh < 1287004691 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hatred: makes stuff work < 1287004699 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1287004710 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I just updated you on the current situation < 1287004719 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!run wget http://everything | bzip2 < 1287004724 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THANK YOU FOR KEEPING ME APPRISED. < 1287004734 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: `run < 1287004740 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: thank you. < 1287004742 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run wget http://everything | bzip2 < 1287004758 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BZh9rE8P� < 1287004758 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, IT WAS SO LITTLE. NOTHING TO THANK ME FOR. < 1287004766 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Gregor is all about red hats < 1287004773 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: CoooOOoooOOool < 1287004784 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, what js engine do you use? < 1287004785 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ooh, that's clever < 1287004787 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in gjs < 1287004793 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Spidermonkey < 1287004798 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: V8! < 1287004800 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, not v8? < 1287004800 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gets shot
< 1287004804 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1287004824 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a professional in the field of JavaScript behavior: Screw V8 :P < 1287004833 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, oh? fun < 1287004844 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, it is probably faster though < 1287004850 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be. < 1287004852 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Undeniably. < 1287004855 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, V8 is broken? nice :D < 1287004860 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: NO. < 1287004861 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er < 1287004866 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't mean for that to be caps. < 1287004866 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: No. < 1287004878 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But since all of my time is spent in SDL, that's irrelevant. < 1287004890 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, ah < 1287004892 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[from] whence Screw V8 then? < 1287004892 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if Gregor will bother qualifying his statements about v8
< 1287004940 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :V8 has great performance in a possibly-general-case-but-maybe-not-it's-never-really-been-quantified, and EXTREMELY bad performance in other cases. < 1287004971 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With semantically-innocuous changes to JS code, I can make v8 balloon up 30x. < 1287004981 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't get SpiderMonkey to go more than 4x. < 1287004991 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@121-74-65-244.telstraclear.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1287004991 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1287004991 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1287004996 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should write a JS benchmark :D < 1287005006 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: See my upcoming PLDI paper (if it's accepted) < 1287005025 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, PLDI? < 1287005034 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://google.com/search?q=pldi < 1287005056 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, pldi.net or the sigplan link? < 1287005056 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor: runs smoother in chromium, but letters are still about a half second ahead of music. got a 362174 somehow < 1287005062 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The SIGPLAN link X_X < 1287005071 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those fast sections should have the letters moving faster :/ < 1287005072 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, there was also a stanford link < 1287005080 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: A half second? That's mega-screwy, something weird in your audio. < 1287005086 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That's just a particular instance of the conference. < 1287005112 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sss.cs.purdue.edu/projects/dynjs/ looks like a good link < 1287005114 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, ah, sigplan is acm, meaning I should be able to get it through the university proxy if it is acccepted < 1287005179 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You shoulda put up a paper online, changed one wording in one paragraph and then submitted it :P < 1287005181 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ad-hoc open access < 1287005204 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1287005205 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You did < 1287005212 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, fail indeed :P < 1287005212 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or... did you < 1287005214 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is http://sss.cs.purdue.edu/projects/dynjs/ it? < 1287005235 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Is that TeX with Times? < 1287005243 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY IS IT SLANTED < 1287005260 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, slanted, where? < 1287005263 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is LaTeX with SIGPLAN's instituted templates. < 1287005271 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: zoom out and look < 1287005274 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the text is slanted slightly < 1287005286 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see it. Oh well < 1287005296 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think your brain is slanted slightly. < 1287005296 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, TeX with Comic Sans would have been worse anyway < 1287005323 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, at least it's not Word :P < 1287005329 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, my pdf reader does not list times as being embedded < 1287005342 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless < 1287005345 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is txtt? < 1287005348 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's important < 1287005354 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is NumbusRomNo9L and such < 1287005370 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Numbus lol < 1287005373 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thou failest < 1287005384 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1287005387 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nimbus < 1287005397 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I use qwerty yes :P < 1287005409 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fucking FONTophiles < 1287005427 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor++ < 1287005437 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, as long as it isn't nubus I'm happy < 1287005437 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously? Nimbus is just an imitation of Times. < 1287005444 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nubile Sans. < 1287005454 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1287005457 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Times Sans < 1287005462 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helvetica Serif < 1287005466 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed! < 1287005469 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comic Serif OH GOD WHY < 1287005477 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.swiss-miss.com/2008/04/helvetica-serif.html < 1287005478 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1287005484 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Comic Antiqua! (spelling?) < 1287005587 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arial Tapered and Pointy < 1287005587 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1287005612 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1287005677 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I totally lied. < 1287005679 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run /opt/python27/bin/python -c 'print "Hello"' < 1287005680 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1287005709 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, how did you lie? < 1287005723 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I said I was going to just install a newer system Python. But I did not :P < 1287005736 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, so you compiled from source in the end? < 1287005741 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup < 1287005749 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Now replace the normal python with it :P < 1287005756 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Not gonna happen. < 1287005759 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not? < 1287005777 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Because that's part of the system, and since the upgrade went all kerplutz I've decided maybe I just want to leave that as-is. < 1287005797 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want /usr/bin/python2.7, that can be arranged. < 1287005804 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: Hi. < 1287005804 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Okay, put /opt/python27/bin first in the PATH. < 1287005818 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, that most certainly can be arranged. < 1287005823 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And should be) < 1287005846 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I had some fun after moving my system python to 2.7 < 1287005857 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not even that < 1287005876 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just putting a Python 2.7 called 'python' in my ~/bin which is on my path < 1287005897 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suddenly #/usr/env/bin python has EXCITING NEW SEMANTICS < 1287005902 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*!# < 1287005909 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :**#! < 1287005939 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which python < 1287005943 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/opt/python27/bin/python < 1287005964 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Luckily, putting it in this PATH is more OK as it's only used for things within HackEgo :P < 1287005972 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, new semantics? how so? < 1287005984 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'm sorry to hear that. (ok, not really) < 1287005986 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Suddenly, it pulls up the python in his ~ < 1287005997 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yes that is obvious < 1287006004 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I meant, "it isn't like it went to python3" < 1287006010 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so things should just continue to work < 1287006020 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Point releases can still break things sometimes. < 1287006024 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: tell that to ubuntu system tools < 1287006041 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, oh, hah < 1287006072 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wl sv sill < 1287006075 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1287006081 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run wl 'sv sill' 2>&1 < 1287006085 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traceback (most recent call last): \ File "/tmp/hackenv.15489/bin/wl", line 37, in \ q = query(continue_id) \ File "/tmp/hackenv.15489/bin/wl", line 29, in query \ response = urllib2.urlopen(url).read() \ File "/opt/python27/lib/python2.7/urllib2.py", line 126, in urlopen \ return _opener.open(url, < 1287006090 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we totally need #!/usr/bin/guess_format_and_interpret < 1287006129 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We totally need an OS with sufficient metadata that the format of every file can be known. < 1287006141 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, I also totally need a pony. < 1287006165 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run wl 'sv sill' 2>&1 | tr -d '\n' < 1287006167 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traceback (most recent call last): File "/tmp/hackenv.15552/bin/wl", line 37, in q = query(continue_id) File "/tmp/hackenv.15552/bin/wl", line 29, in query response = urllib2.urlopen(url).read() File "/opt/python27/lib/python2.7/urllib2.py", line 126, in urlopen return _opener.open(url, data, timeout)AttributeError: < 1287006177 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run wl 'sv sill' 2>&1 | tr -d '\n' | tail -c +50 < 1287006180 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ckenv.15603/bin/wl", line 37, in q = query(continue_id) File "/tmp/hackenv.15603/bin/wl", line 29, in query response = urllib2.urlopen(url).read() File "/opt/python27/lib/python2.7/urllib2.py", line 126, in urlopen return _opener.open(url, data, timeout)AttributeError: ProxyHandler instance has no attribute 'open' < 1287006188 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll fix it later. < 1287006398 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DISCOVERY: Browser that supports HTML5 Audio + PCM .wav + data: URLs = do client-side loop unrolling! < 1287006398 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(More like OBSERVATION) < 1287006497 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION huh?s
< 1287006845 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To loop oggs in a web browser: 1) download ogg via XHR, 2) decompress ogg with JS code, 3) duplicate decompressed audio a bunch of times, 4) write that into a data: URL as a PCM .wav, 5) load that into HTML5 Audio < 1287006925 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reads that
< 1287006934 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's only too bad you can't stream like that. < 1287007065 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, what is it you actually do? < 1287007110 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, I must say. Xubuntu > Debian when it comes to "just works". < 1287007117 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's a homeless, jobless layabout living off social security and drugs. < 1287007141 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1287007312 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, do you and him actually hate each other, or is it just a joke? < 1287007334 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: we all hate each other here. especially you. < 1287007358 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope that cleared things up < 1287007358 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? I only really hate sshc/ < 1287007376 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck you oerjan, we don't hate each other! < 1287007392 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i hate people who cannot even follow our hate policy properly < 1287007399 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I have now read your paper < 1287007470 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Congratulations on your literacy. < 1287007491 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks :D I'm quite proud of it myself < 1287007519 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner is an ace at littering < 1287007553 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT THE HELL WHY IS FLASH IN XUBUNTU ACTUALLY USING CPU WELL < 1287007561 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT IS NOT RAPING MY CPU < 1287007569 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNLIKE ON REAL HARDWARE < 1287007592 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is virtually unheard of! < 1287007607 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's using like 30% CPU for Youtube. Note: Flash in Gentoo uses like 110% CPU. < 1287007624 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1287007626 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, Flash isn't that bad on my computer IIRC... < 1287007632 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java is the real criminal < 1287007656 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, java < 1287007727 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use it occasionally. < 1287007753 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :java is alright, but surely not *applets*? < 1287007820 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that we're done hatin' on each other, anybody have an opinion on my crazy JS-data-URL-wtf plan? :P < 1287007896 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Delicious. < 1287007942 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now embed that in MIPS and we're all set < 1287007972 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone tell me what cpressey actually does. < 1287007986 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Idonno, that's why I made up nonsense :P < 1287007995 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one but cpressey is privy to that information. < 1287008049 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what you do, either... < 1287008070 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor studies Ph.D.s < 1287008072 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even cpressey doesn't know, the nsa wipe his memory whenever he leaves and reinstate it when he comes back < 1287008080 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey does Python < 1287008089 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debbie does Dallas < 1287008107 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Though leaving him with an imprint that will lead him to have an inexplicable desire to come back the next day. < 1287008125 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that part was obvious < 1287008141 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, are you still an ex-mathematician? < 1287008149 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesh < 1287008149 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1287008151 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other cpressey probably thinks he's discussing esoteric knitting patterns all night < 1287008161 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only way you can stop being an ex-anything is by becoming one again ... < 1287008195 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That didn't work to get your ex-wife back now, did it? < 1287008213 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, I became my wife. < 1287008234 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kinky. < 1287008235 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinky. < 1287008237 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also illegal in 13 states. < 1287008240 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: snap < 1287008277 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crackle < 1287008291 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :push < 1287008296 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, so do you sit with a sign saying "will simplify for food"? < 1287008328 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no, it's "will make incomprehensible for food" < 1287008475 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"does: < 1287008479 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"does" < 1287008486 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :**"does" < 1287008505 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the question? < 1287008513 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< Phantom_Hoover> Someone tell me what cpressey actually does. < 1287008515 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i rock < 1287008516 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1287008586 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you're a musician? < 1287008601 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, you mean what he does for a living: well, I know he complained about python in a work-related context. I think he works as a programmer. < 1287008684 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Gregor studies Ph.D.s < 1287008685 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : cpressey does Python < 1287008707 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, he studies people with Ph.D.? < 1287008712 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently. < 1287008714 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :déjà dit < 1287008722 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phoetal Disease < 1287008723 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, he studies Ph.D.s themselves. < 1287008723 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: you haven't heard my MED songs! < 1287008733 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: *Phetal < 1287008736 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: good band name. < 1287008737 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foetus is a hypercorrection < 1287008753 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: nope! < 1287008754 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah. The abstract Ph.D.s are quite tricky to study I heard. Takes a lot of skill. < 1287008767 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OE KAY < 1287008771 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He studies applied Ph.D.s < 1287008785 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1287008850 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah < 1287008857 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that is indeed more tangible < 1287008861 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : déjà dit < 1287008864 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone appreciate this :( < 1287008868 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: With a fast enough Javascript engine, you could have a single