and all the text disappears (and it becomes non-platform) while all the s within it remain platforms < 1287600049 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That article has pretty much pushed me over the edge. < 1287600057 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Before, AMD's processors were bad enough to keep me supporting Intel. < 1287600060 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now... flergh. < 1287600069 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: ... YES. < 1287600075 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : meanwhile, you can work out the physics for making it so i can punch a

and all the text disappears (and it becomes non-platform) while all the s within it remain platforms < 1287600079 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: But no, I'm at "work" :P < 1287600079 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: let's get married < 1287600084 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IDEA MARRIAGE < 1287600216 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i have so many ideas for this thing < 1287600222 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just wait til you see the skulldog < 1287600225 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the balloon < 1287600231 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Congratulations, quintopia now owns your game. < 1287600232 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has idea sex with elliott
< 1287600241 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sues quintopia for statutory idea rape
< 1287600263 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I so desperately need ideas, so I'll take what I can get :P < 1287600267 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a civil law tort? < 1287600277 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tort I tor a putty cat. < 1287600280 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: BTW, what copyright info and license should I provide for the images? < 1287600291 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: And now quintopia will profit off your game. < 1287600292 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GREAT JOB HERO < 1287600296 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :put them under MIT/X11 too < 1287600297 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not < 1287600304 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Dude, profit! < 1287600317 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: all in good time < 1287600324 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: OK, and seeing as that I don't know your real name, what Copyright (C) line would you like on them once I get the project page all put together? < 1287600331 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION makes a truly devilish face
< 1287600341 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Quin T. Opia < 1287600355 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :David Rutter < 1287600368 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: That's just your ALIAS. < 1287600373 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He wants your NAME, Quin. < 1287600382 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHHHHHHH < 1287600385 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO ONE MAY KNOW < 1287600408 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION vaguely wonders how many times he's been drawn in pixel-art form now X-P
< 1287600411 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Ohh right you're not calling yourself Quin any more because of that one time you raped a cat. < 1287600417 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't worry, I won't tell anyone. < 1287600433 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Putting all of quintopia's stuff together as one (and counting it as me even though it wasn't originally intended to be), at least three ... < 1287600589 0 :catseye!~Chris@adsl-99-92-176-79.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1287600593 0 :catseye_!~Chris@adsl-99-92-176-79.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1287600668 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Camlp4 library in : +camlp5 < 1287600680 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, slightly amusing configure output ^ < 1287600690 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Things to learn when using OCaml: OCaml makes no sense. < 1287600703 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah, that explains it < 1287600709 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: camlp4 and camlp5 are extensions to OCaml that let you define Lisp-style macros. < 1287600712 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like java, where 1.6 means 6 < 1287600716 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: camlp5 is an incompatible version of the language. < 1287600718 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Both are maintained. < 1287600737 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well. < 1287600738 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, why did it find v4 in v5 hm < 1287600740 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Camlp4 is part of the official OCaml distribution which is developed at the INRIA. Its original author is Daniel de Rauglaudre. OCaml version 3.10.0, released in May 2007, introduced a significantly modified and backwards-incompatible version of Camlp4. De Rauglaudre maintains a separate backwards-compatible version, which has been renamed Camlp5. All of the examples below are for Camlp5 or the previous version of Camlp4 (versions 3.09 and prior < 1287600740 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :)." < 1287600746 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and perl, where 6 means &*%#^ < 1287600746 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Even though it was released two years ago, the current version of camlp4 doesn't have yet a manual. The "Camlp4 manual" is from 2003, and is not compatible with present version." < 1287600751 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: If it works, try not to think about it. < 1287600799 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also in the list of how configure configured stuff: < 1287600803 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Coq web site : http://coq.inria.fr/ < 1287600805 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1287600812 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what option to configure sets that < 1287600825 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--coq-web-site=http://fun.on.nimp.org/ < 1287600825 0 :catseye_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1287600828 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Don't click that. srsly) < 1287600865 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well. that would be -coq-web-site http://example.org/ if it existed < 1287600871 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but well, not there < 1287600876 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least not in -help < 1287600881 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably isn't an option < 1287600907 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why then list it in the list of stuff like "found optional thing x" and so on < 1287600913 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who knows. < 1287600918 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1287600941 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :france < 1287600943 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go figure < 1287600948 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun things to do: Turn off images, JavaScript, Java. Set up default fonts. Disable websites' ability to change fonts. Set colours to all black on white, including links. Disable sites' ability to set these too. Disable image loading. < 1287600970 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why not just use lynx or something < 1287600986 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lynx isn't point-and-click. Also it keeps layout, just not colours and images. < 1287600988 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Layout is important :P < 1287600994 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, fun, it's "make world" not just plain "make" < 1287601000 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah there was a much easier way to accomplish that pointless task more efficiently < 1287601000 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for no very obvious reason < 1287601035 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: they... are paying homage to bsd < 1287601046 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, maybe < 1287601046 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are just very weird < 1287601047 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1287601052 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :france. go figure < 1287601053 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is what INSTALL says < 1287601057 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in the makefile: < 1287601059 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOARG: world < 1287601064 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the first target < 1287601065 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make world is quite common with functional language impls < 1287601071 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's the whole libs and stuff < 1287601073 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just say the compiler < 1287601074 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so either would actually work here < 1287601078 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: it's not that pointless a task < 1287601083 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes several websites significantly less irritating :) < 1287601103 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yeah, but there is nothing in plain "make" or even "make all" that implies that it is not the whole thing < 1287601113 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, after all, "make all" logically should be exactly that, all < 1287601119 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :always: ; < 1287601122 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting target < 1287601186 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'all' always struck me as a bit gratuitous (it's a phony target, and 'make' should really suffice) < 1287601209 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ make some < 1287601226 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, by default make just uses the first target, if you have several binaries to build or such, what would you call the first target < 1287601227 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1287601236 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all: program1 program2 program3 program4 < 1287601240 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes kind of sense < 1287601270 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest of the coq makefile, which is custom as far as I can tell, is quite hairy. And gnu make specific. < 1287601292 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of. i still don't like that it's phony, though. if i were a *real* purist i'd proobably want make.sh to call 'make program1', 'make program2'... < 1287601309 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or to redesign the conceptual model :/ < 1287601336 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, make.sh? yeargh < 1287601337 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but archaeologists? < 1287601371 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNAA Last Measure Live! < 1287601698 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm, coq seems to be a slow one to compile < 1287601705 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well. < 1287601709 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not surprised. < 1287601712 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a large piece of software. < 1287601712 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, nor am I < 1287601722 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but I think we are looking at hours here. < 1287601723 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the libraries will probably take a while too. uh, not sure if they're compiled actually < 1287601724 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but whatever < 1287601728 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: huh -- maybe a slow machine? < 1287601731 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't expect that long < 1287601739 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, my desktop. 2 GHz < 1287601740 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: maybe if it's trying to verify the included four-colour theorem proof :) < 1287601745 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sempron 3300+ < 1287601750 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hahah < 1287601752 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: or the goedel's first incompleteness proof (dunno if they still/ever bundle(d) that) < 1287601760 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*incompleteness theorem < 1287601767 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is it the simplified FCT proof or the original one? < 1287601771 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, nice < 1287601787 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Vorpal: http://r6.ca/Goedel/goedel1.html < 1287601793 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it's a tweaked modern one, I think < 1287601793 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but you are looking at 5-10 seconds per file or more here. Some files took like a minute < 1287601798 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: in fact I know :P < 1287601800 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, slow as g++ but not as memory hungry < 1287601810 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, in fact it is quite modest in memory usage < 1287601810 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: and a lot faster resulting code than g++... < 1287601814 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, indeed < 1287601814 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's running ocaml < 1287601820 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: or most likely ocamlopt < 1287601824 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: wait < 1287601827 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it is the opt one < 1287601827 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: do you have ocaml.opt? < 1287601831 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not ocamlopt < 1287601845 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: wait no < 1287601847 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: do you have ocamlopt.opt? < 1287601853 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, better up, I have ocamlopt.opt < 1287601856 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's the optimising ocaml compiler, compiled with the optimising ocaml compiler < 1287601858 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: right < 1287601862 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: fastest compilation you can get then < 1287601871 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ocamlopt = optimising compiler < 1287601875 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.opt = compiled with optimising compiler < 1287601878 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ocamlopt.opt = obvious < 1287601878 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I seem to have every ocaml thing in an .opt except ocaml itself < 1287601891 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah i think ocaml itself is fast enough that it doesn't need an .opt < 1287601896 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it doesn't optimise as heavily < 1287601898 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm what is ocamlbuild.native ? < 1287601906 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: fun thing about that proof, it could actually print out the unprovable statement < 1287601911 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the other ones are ocamlbuild and ocamlbuild.byte < 1287601912 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: with a little bit of tweaking of types < 1287601929 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway, it has been going at: < 1287601930 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: builds to (or the ocamlbuild executable is built with) native code < 1287601931 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :COQC contrib/setoid_ring/Field_theory.v < 1287601931 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the two < 1287601935 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for about half a minute now < 1287601935 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: rather than bytecode < 1287601940 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh, then it's compiled coq < 1287601943 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not using ocaml any more < 1287601949 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it probably is < 1287601952 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but mainly coq < 1287601966 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well yes, it actually compiled the coqc one pretty soon, about a minute or two into the compilation < 1287601974 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it is the stuff after that that takes ages < 1287601980 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's just because Coq is slow as fuck < 1287601986 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is to be expected < 1287601986 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, right < 1287602002 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah but COQC contrib/setoid_ring/Field_tac.v took just half a second < 1287602013 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1287602016 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: tactics < 1287602022 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't require complicated thought :P < 1287602037 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what about these fast ones then: < 1287602039 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :COQC contrib/setoid_ring/Field.v < 1287602039 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :COQC contrib/setoid_ring/RealField.v < 1287602042 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (tactics are the little proof-searching/generating mini-programs used when proving stuff) < 1287602048 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. < 1287602051 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1287602055 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reflexivity. rewrite foo. < 1287602060 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reflexivity is a tactic, so is rewrite < 1287602068 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"auto" is a tactic, so is "auto with arith" < 1287602077 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they can have more complex syntax than just "t x y z") < 1287602090 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yep, it is obvious that tactics have to refer to something like that, considering how it is used in other proving software < 1287602096 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the term that is < 1287602188 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to put OS X in a vm now :) < 1287602194 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CAGE THE BEAST < 1287602234 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what triggered that sudden urge? < 1287602245 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1287602275 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm, iirc you *need* hw virualisation for it to work under virtualbox < 1287602289 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it needs a lot of fiddling. < 1287602292 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :QEEEEEEEEEEMUUUUUUUUUUUUU < 1287602300 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It would probably work better with a Hackintosh (hate that word) build. < 1287602301 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, doubt that will work actually < 1287602318 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you *still* need that iirc < 1287602321 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even under virtualbox < 1287602358 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell did they change about the underlying unix (bsd?) that makes it so damn hard to virtualize? < 1287602372 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[download] 0.6% of 106.02M at 45.14k/s ETA 39:52 <-- fuck youtube < 1287602402 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it isn't my connection that is loaded, and other stuff is fast when I try it < 1287602422 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it's not BSD at the very bottom < 1287602429 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: at the bottom, it's Mach < 1287602442 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: then, it's a heavily(!)-modified FreeBSD kernel < 1287602443 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1287602452 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: then, it's some FreeBSD command-line stuff < 1287602453 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and other youtube videos download fast < 1287602454 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the rest is all apple < 1287602458 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: oh, and remember that this all happened on ppc < 1287602461 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and *then* they ported it all to x86 < 1287602471 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably they used a lot of FreeBSD x86 code < 1287602471 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still < 1287602483 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an x86->ppc->x86 port in some ways < 1287602491 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that answers that question < 1287602500 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: also ofc they've never attempted to make it run on anything but apple hardware for obvious reasons < 1287602504 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is rather unconventional < 1287602516 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, that's their business model < 1287602525 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really. < 1287602529 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, stuff that makes it hard: requires EFI, tries to validate it only run on actual apple hardware, very limited support for hardware that apple don't use in their computers < 1287602533 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't make their hardware incompatible for the fuck of it :) < 1287602546 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank god there is mac pro, otherwise it would probably not even have a generic VGA driver < 1287602557 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ITT: Laptops have display ports too < 1287602558 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because mac pro needs that if someone puts in an unsupported card < 1287602562 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1287602582 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, external ports are completely irrelevant here :P < 1287602599 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, they do. they say "we only support the hardware we support, and we're not wasting any time or money developing support for all your other fucking shit" < 1287602639 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: which is an entirely different thing from them changing the hardware for the hell of it. < 1287602681 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1287602696 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure they had a much better reason than "for the hell of it" < 1287602702 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something to do with the bottom line < 1287602713 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: and 9/11 was an inside job < 1287602745 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ehird is stallman's alternate personality < 1287602824 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: you... i'm the one saying that apple aren't changing their hardware configurations just to stop people using OS X on other machines, and you call me a zealot? < 1287602857 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never called you a zealot... < 1287602881 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't consider stallman a zealot? < 1287602908 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think he's enough of a zealot he needs an alternate personality into which to channel his less zealotous aspects < 1287602935 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe i should say, stallman is ehird's alternate personality < 1287602955 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you're channeling your subconcious zealotry into that public image < 1287603009 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does that rotaninrub guy ever talk? < 1287603147 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, re: previous discussion. it seems we agree in some sense and you thought i disagreed in a different sense) < 1287603184 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1287603523 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, this new falling sprite looks like moonwalking < 1287603626 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: make it rotate constantly in a ball < 1287603627 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tumbling < 1287603700 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's for double jumps only < 1287603716 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they will be psychonauts style doubles < 1287603743 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how you've taken over designing his game. < 1287603792 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : lol, this new falling sprite looks like moonwalking <-- hm where? < 1287603799 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i have to. how else can i prevent him from fucking it up :D < 1287603811 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh websplat < 1287603819 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: too late. the moonwalking version is non-production. < 1287603895 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dear gregor: rename the project "Websplat" immediately kthx < 1287604012 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, flinix; discuss < 1287604046 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rhode island is neither a road, nor an island: discuss amongst yaselves < 1287604099 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, actually, coq just finished compiling < 1287604108 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : so, flinix; discuss < 1287604191 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Michael Bay; discuss < 1287604214 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh look, it doesn't work for me either < 1287604269 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#; < 1287605298 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh < 1287605312 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this package gives you a Makefile.config.example and leaves the rest to you < 1287605313 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1287605338 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty large file too < 1287605367 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: which package? < 1287605408 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :libapron, which is a dependency for some features in why that I want < 1287605418 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing wrong with makefile.config :P < 1287605453 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not in general no, but it asks stuff like where GMP or MPFR can be found < 1287605455 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1287605460 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, stuff that could be easily autodetected < 1287605463 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1287605531 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-std=c99 -U__STRICT_ANSI__ <-- fun < 1287605750 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GREGOR: http://filebin.ca/yosxja/croucherl.png.tar.gz < 1287605801 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: for jumping, switch to croucher before taking off for only a couple of ms, then go to jumper0, then halfway through flight jumper1, then at peak, briefly, faller0, then rapid alternation of faller1 and faller2 as usual. < 1287606116 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh god, #debian has fallen prey to But What Do You Want To Do, Really, I Mean With Your Life Syndrome: < 1287606120 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : drasko: how about we go back to your original problem, what is it you are trying to do? < 1287606120 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hi all. GCC cross compilation complains about missing MPC. What debian packet to look for ? < 1287606123 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : well was more thinking what he is wanting to cross compile, why is he doing such a thing < 1287606129 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU MUST JUSTIFY WANTING TO DO ANY SINGLE THING < 1287606137 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we refuse to answer your specific questions. totally not because we don't know the answers < 1287606145 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we just want to help you do it in the most bestest, debianest way. totally. < 1287606148 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so don't do that. < 1287606286 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is that representative of the channel in question? < 1287606304 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it only requires one active person to do it to infect the channel < 1287606321 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: other places prone to this: #python (this is basically *all* they do), ##c < 1287606346 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, ask anything in #python and they'll just say "what are you doing?" and refuse to let you give anything but the design of your entire application < 1287606357 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then they tell you not to do that, and to do everything you're doing completely differently. < 1287606363 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's more P Y T H O N I C < 1287606394 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, in this case it is indeed absurd. Sometimes however it is justified, when someone asks a too specific question, like "how do I get the stdlib function foo to do bar" when a better solution would be "use quux to do it instead, since it is already designed to do that" < 1287606402 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: right < 1287606438 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, heck, when you are working on learning a new language with an extensive standard library that situation is quite common < 1287606442 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: but not "how do i set the frobnicate register to X?" "why are you trying to do that?" "to floobidah the zigzag" "why?" "to provide an interface for my program" "don't do that, use iHyperTek(TM) instead" "fuck you" "*kicks*" < 1287606451 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, indeed < 1287606473 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :later: < 1287606486 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I C A N U S E S P A C E S < 1287606498 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: / q u i t < 1287606509 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"how do I get iHyperTek(TM) to recoilise the dissipation?" "why?" "to provide an interface for my application" "don't do that, use the frobnicate register instead" "i will maim all your babies" "i'm infertile" "fuck you" "*kicks*" < 1287606510 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, no, you can't. You need to read the man page for them < 1287606561 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231392 forty eight gigs of ram < 1287606562 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No manual entry for space < 1287606565 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with two fan units of two fans each < 1287606569 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only $3,499.99 < 1287606571 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :buy now! < 1287606584 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also newegg redesigned now it sucks lol. < 1287606592 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what sort of mobo do you need for that < 1287606598 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: an expensive one < 1287606617 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr < 1287606618 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y'know < 1287606621 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :amd's processors would be decent < 1287606625 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they used like half the power < 1287606628 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1287606647 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that is why you never see them in laptops < 1287606661 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"we're not as fast as our competitor at any reasonable price point, and your electricity bill will ensure that it's at least twice as expensive as the Intel equivalent in the long-run!" < 1287606666 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"at least we're slightly less evil." < 1287606669 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"slightly" < 1287606677 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1287606690 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, intel is pretty damn good at doing business and i don't begrudge them for it < 1287606691 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: did you know AMD processors are made in chinese sweatshops? < 1287606699 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and used solely by illegal computer hackers? < 1287606700 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i begrudge them the poulsbo chipset fiasco < 1287606725 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Doing business -- like when they told a manufacturer that only N of their laptops could use AMD processors, or their deal would go bye-bye? < 1287606735 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's called illegal. < 1287606763 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doing business, like selling customers tons of processors with locked features and making them pay to unlock, online, features of their CPU that they have, physically? < 1287606763 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but think of the little chinese children! < 1287606765 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just called being jerks. < 1287606776 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: they use chinese adults. < 1287606794 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait no < 1287606795 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :children < 1287606799 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, i remembered wrong < 1287606800 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Children aren't sufficiently resistant to the toxic chemicals to last long enough. < 1287606803 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1287606805 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[If your son has requested a new "processor" from a company called "AMD", this is genuine cause for alarm. AMD is a third-world based company who make inferior, "knock-off" copies of American processor chips. They use child labor extensively in their third world sweatshops, and they deliberately disable the security features that American processor makers, such as Intel, use to prevent hacking. AMD chips are never sold in stores, and you will mo < 1287606805 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :st likely be told that you have to order them from internet sites. Do not buy this chip! This is one request that you must refuse your son, if you are to have any hope of raising him well.]] < 1287606815 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the do provide sources for all their in-house drivers in order to actively support linux compatibility. that counts for something. < 1287606833 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man, i love that video < 1287606837 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :video?? < 1287606838 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :noob < 1287606839 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.adequacy.org/stories/2001.12.2.42056.2147.html < 1287606848 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i read the original too < 1287606929 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn that Linyos Torovoltos. < 1287606993 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best part is this < 1287606994 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If your son has undergone a sudden change in his style of dress, you may have a hacker on your hands. Hackers tend to dress in bright, day-glo colors. They may wear baggy pants, bright colored shirts and spiky hair dyed in bright colors to match their clothes. They may take to carrying "glow-sticks" and some wear pacifiers around their necks. (I have no idea why they do this)" < 1287607032 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hackers=candy kids. everyone knows this. < 1287607078 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: have you got a spare radiator in your house that i could borrow? < 1287607086 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((preferably not the radioactive kind)) < 1287607096 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am a spare radiator < 1287607098 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. 3 tb disks out now < 1287607103 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: can i hook up heatpipes to you < 1287607114 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i have a non-functioning AMD-having computer next to me < 1287607116 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will serve < 1287607134 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i... am not sure how that is a radiator :D < 1287607141 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you mean turning it on < 1287607149 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will turn on, but not post < 1287607152 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case i'm obliged to inform you that radiators do not generate heat out of nothing :p < 1287607155 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :powersupply is functional < 1287607156 0 :wareya_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1287607158 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact i want one to get rid of heat! < 1287607166 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: see, here's how you make a fanless computer: < 1287607176 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) don't use AMD < 1287607179 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- copper. heatpipes. on. every. motherfucking. thing. < 1287607182 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- gigantic. fucking. radiator. < 1287607193 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: bigger the radiator, more awesome your system can be. < 1287607207 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :note: hooking things up to a radiator is probably a gigantic pain :P < 1287607220 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1287607273 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: they also make radiators for people who want MORE heat: http://www.oscarsolarwaterheaters.net/images/3.gif < 1287607296 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yeeeeees... < 1287607299 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is wai too hot right now
< 1287607301 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: the idea is that you hook that up. < 1287607309 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...of course that only works with a watercooled system < 1287607315 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: but, i mean, think what a radiator does < 1287607324 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gets a bunch of hotness, radiates it into the air, heat all gone < 1287607332 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: now think what a watercooled system does < 1287607336 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heat warms water, heat now in water, heat all gone < 1287607337 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1287607338 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: in a car, it does it with a fan. wouldn't your fanless computer be better with a fan? < 1287607342 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :water goes to radiator, radiator put water in air < 1287607345 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heat all gone < 1287607360 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: "Better" as in more efficiency for the heat vs. radiator space... sure. < 1287607364 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: You do this to have a silent system. < 1287607374 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you're anal as fuck. < 1287607398 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you just put your radiator outdoors...like an A/C unit < 1287607408 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can't hear the fan < 1287607482 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: that's more of a bitch to set up. < 1287607510 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you can also use the geothermal cooling system < 1287607524 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just pipe the hot water underground in a grid around your house < 1287607546 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no fan needed, temp goes down to ~65 year-round < 1287607671 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : quintopia: You do this to have a silent system. Because you're anal as fuck. <-- err, there are other reasons. For use in recording studios comes to mind < 1287607690 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :recording technicians are anal as fuck < 1287607696 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, 65 is very hot < 1287607707 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the computers don't go in the same room as the microphones duh < 1287607718 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: fahrenheit < 1287607725 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, oh. < 1287607729 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, what is that in C? < 1287607737 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :°C that is < 1287607746 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't there a bot here to do that < 1287607765 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, use Kelvin if you prefer < 1287607819 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :65-32=33. 33*5=165. 165/9=~18 < 1287607832 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18 °C, right < 1287608202 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suck so bad at tetris < 1287608602 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://graphics.stanford.edu/~seander/bithacks.html is such a wonderful page < 1287608612 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ocaml question: this think looks for a library but expects it to be [...]/lib/foo.cxma, it is [...]/lib/foo.cma, what is the difference and can I just substitute the latter for the former? < 1287608633 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: got no idea there, but: < 1287608636 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMake mailing list < 1287608636 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... $(a).cxma) $(if $(BYTE_ENABLED), $(a).cma) Basically, if you have a line ... < 1287608641 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: seems like .cma is bytecode < 1287608642 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1287608646 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit < 1287608646 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I would recompile foo with the native code compiler. < 1287608654 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Failing that, try substituting. < 1287608655 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I thought it was native < 1287608663 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly not :P < 1287608679 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, indeed. So NATIVE = 1 was not respected I guess... < 1287608723 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1287608724 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is the ocamlopt the native one? < 1287608730 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes. < 1287608735 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well what the fuck then < 1287608739 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it compiled using that < 1287608749 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This chapter describes the Objective Caml high-performance native-code compiler ocamlopt, which compiles Caml source files to native code object files and link these object files to produce standalone executables. < 1287608755 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, try substituting. < 1287608756 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see what happens < 1287608765 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, file thinks it is bytecode < 1287608769 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, try substituting. < 1287608769 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see what happens < 1287608772 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay < 1287608772 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may work with bytecode anyway < 1287608773 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason < 1287608789 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it will probably be a bit slow and this thing uses native code elsewhere s < 1287608790 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so* < 1287608802 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ocaml's bytecode is insanely fast for bytecode < 1287608817 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, can you mix byte and native in a single program? < 1287608826 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows < 1287608830 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try it and see! < 1287609135 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Ping. < 1287609191 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, figured out how to build native ones < 1287609212 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from NATIVE=1 you had to set HAS_OCAMLOPT=1 < 1287609217 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1287609218 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was not documented at all < 1287609230 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I found that only by digging in makefiles! < 1287609246 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is all of the ocaml world this insane? < 1287609275 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well... < 1287609297 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: People -- at least when I used OCaml -- tend to tell you to use GODI (http://godi.camlcity.org/godi/index.html). < 1287609307 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is Yet Another Language-Specific Package Manager except this one builds OCaml for you too. < 1287609315 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it sucks immensely, but uh... I would go insane doing all that manually. < 1287609320 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least GODI does it for you. < 1287609320 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like language-specific package managers... some people don't, but I do < 1287609330 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, this one is not really very standard < 1287609341 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, or do they include every single library there? < 1287609356 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: What library is it? < 1287609363 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, apron again < 1287609376 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm starting to hate that library < 1287609398 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I had to rebuild it three times so far trying to get it sane < 1287609404 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jc_annot_inference - [value] from source frama-c-Helium-20080701 (Score: 500) < 1287609415 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION searches for apron more concretely
< 1287609419 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm? well yes that is what I want to use it for < 1287609420 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1287609428 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apps-frama-c < 1287609429 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Modular C static analyser < 1287609430 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but helium is old < 1287609433 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it has frama-c and its dependencies. < 1287609441 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: frama-c version 2010-04-01 < 1287609444 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it appears < 1287609445 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I know, but apron is an *optional* dependency < 1287609454 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is also apps-why < 1287609455 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a feature I really really really want < 1287609456 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.26 < 1287609462 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I need 2.27 :P < 1287609462 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :latest is 2.27 < 1287609465 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1287609470 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, for one of the features I want < 1287609471 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: do you need the ultimate latest apron? < 1287609487 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, I don't know. I got it to build now anyway. I think < 1287609489 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: btw you don't *have* to use coq for all this apparently but it appears to be the most recommended thing by far < 1287609500 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it installed the *.cmxa < 1287609507 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I need it for the why part < 1287609510 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is what I really need < 1287609516 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the main features of Why is to be integrated with many existing provers (proof assistants such as Coq, PVS, Isabelle/HOL, HOL 4, HOL Light, Mizar and decision procedures such as Simplify, Alt-Ergo, Yices, Z3, CVC3, etc.). < 1287609521 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :frama-c + why 2.27 with apron < 1287609541 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes but why then does why refuse to build at all without coq? < 1287609574 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and it can use several side by side, trying different ones to find one able to prove something < 1287609578 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is very nice < 1287609601 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1287609622 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :checking for pvs... /sbin/pvs < 1287609622 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :File descriptor 5 (/home/arvid/src/frama-c/why-2.27/config.log) leaked on pvs invocation. Parent PID 29670: /bin/sh < 1287609623 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1287609635 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it checks for pvs... only that is not the same pvs < 1287609640 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1287609644 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that is pvs from lvm2 btw < 1287609669 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :configure: WARNING: PVS found but pvs -where did not work < 1287609683 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: omghaahhahaohwow < 1287609727 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Floats : no (Coq library AllFloat.vo not found) < 1287609728 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what < 1287609732 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I enabled floats < 1287609734 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when compiling coq < 1287609736 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1287609757 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: obviously you're doing it wrong < 1287609759 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it seems you did not enable them properly < 1287609764 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: btw putting ocaml shit into its own directory is a sane idea < 1287609766 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/opt/ocaml say < 1287609769 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd say < 1287609772 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ~/local/ocaml < 1287609774 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit... strange < 1287609776 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes < 1287609778 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, indeed. I used ~/local/frama-c here < 1287609783 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since that is what I really care about < 1287609815 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and I already had to patch some hard coded "check for this in /usr/lib and /usr/lib/local" checks < 1287609832 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in one case the configure.in didn't want to produce a configure and I had to patch the configure directly < 1287609836 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is quite painful < 1287609885 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: once an ocaml package failed to build for me since i was on os x and it wanted gnu sed < 1287609893 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ended up linking gsed to sed, compiling, and delinking < 1287609953 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hah < 1287609966 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, yeah... French people wtf < 1287609972 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or something) < 1287609981 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Frenchies < 1287610008 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what does pikhq recommend for snes emulation? < 1287610021 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why not ask pikhq directly? < 1287610025 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i tried to ping him < 1287610026 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no response < 1287610028 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in-channel) < 1287610040 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, probably that cycle-accurate-needs-a-monster-computer one < 1287610043 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes. < 1287610044 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's its name? < 1287610055 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, if you don't have bleeding edge hardware I would suggest zsnes however < 1287610060 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I don't remember the name < 1287610067 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, snes iirc < 1287610076 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just go through the alphabet < 1287610077 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.33 ghz core 2 duo, 4 gigs ram, i'm sure i can handle it >:D < 1287610080 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :until you find it < 1287610081 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah bsnes < 1287610083 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, likely tooo slow < 1287610089 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: worth a try < 1287610094 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The executive summary if you don't want to read my latest wall-of-text: bsnes the public project is now dead, however I will continue to develop the source code and release it periodically." < 1287610099 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, cpu looks a bit on the weak side < 1287610105 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it is, but *eh* < 1287610115 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why is it dead < 1287610116 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As it turns out, the problem of accuracy was not linear as I once naively believed, but exponential. That is to say, if emulating 90% of games requires 200MHz, then emulating 95% requires 400MHz, 97.5% requires 800MHz, etc. In other words, there are rapidly diminishing gains." < 1287610120 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: tl;dr stuff < 1287610122 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://byuu.org/articles/bsnes-future < 1287610138 0 :Quadrescence!~Quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence JOIN :#esoteric < 1287610236 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: but eh, personal projects are fine :P < 1287610259 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh, assholes seem to be the reason < 1287610272 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[So back to my original point about ensuring games work in the future on all emulators. Even after five years of bsnes being out there, and me preacing these virtues everywhere I could, we had the Lennus II translation in 2009. A fan translation that only ran in ZSNES. < 1287610272 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really tried, I put my vitriol aside, stepped in, and offered to help. I offered to work on the game, without even having the ROM hack source code, to track down and fix the problem. Only to come across a post by one of the authors on another forum some weeks later essentially calling me an asshole for being pedantic about it not running anywhere else, all the while putting "accuracy" in quotes as if it was a made-up term. Talk about gratitude. < 1287610272 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : When I responded, it was of course denied that he was referring to me, the only person who ever brought it up. But I wasn't born yesterday.]] < 1287610289 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION does not know whether to be happy or scared that some woman asked him for his number
< 1287610298 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH GOD PEOPLE WANT MY NUMBER < 1287610300 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :she's probably a rapist. < 1287610315 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never saw her before today < 1287610329 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking. < 1287610331 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew her for a few minutes < 1287610338 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people usually give other people their numbers after knowing them for years < 1287610343 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :def. a rapist < 1287610396 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, years is a bit on the extreme, could be months. < 1287610406 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it was extreme sarcasm. < 1287610407 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol @ months < 1287610411 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lololol < 1287610435 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ;P < 1287610446 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you were joking too < 1287610449 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you were actually carzy < 1287610450 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*crazy < 1287610451 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(carzy!) < 1287610481 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckyass fucker < 1287610482 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1287610492 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe if i got out more.. < 1287610498 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, duh of course. Rather it could be a question of minutes if you have a reason for it. < 1287610523 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow i have a feeling there is a girl out there who does not have Sgeo's number < 1287610523 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if a complete stranger walked up and asked for phone number I would be a bit confused < 1287610526 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and she is all girls) < 1287610534 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: if she tried to grab your junk, she is probably a rapist < 1287610535 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plural singularities! < 1287610542 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Nice heuristic. < 1287610551 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's serverd me well < 1287610557 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, there are a lot of girls who don't have my number. The girl who asked today is not one of them. < 1287610560 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ass pinches are flirty, junk squeezing is rape < 1287610571 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"She said she was going to kidnap me, rape me, and then dissect me, barbecue me and eat the pieces. She didn't grab my junk so I gave her my address." < 1287610591 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what do you do if someone emails you source code, but instead of taring or zipping it up, attaches all the files separately. And there are about 20 of them < 1287610591 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come to think of it, I don't know how old she is. She looks a bit older < 1287610595 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, who said anything about the inverse being true? < 1287610597 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is somewhat annoying < 1287610602 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what do they want you to do with it? < 1287610613 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, she asked at what time I'm usually at the bus stop in the morning... < 1287610620 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That creeped me out a bit < 1287610623 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly she is going to rape you. At the bus stop. < 1287610629 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did she ask what kind of candy you like? < 1287610647 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to text her soon < 1287610666 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo's gonna get some cougartail! woot. < 1287610669 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, makes sure it works I guess, it is related to a project at university. So I really need to do this, it is in my interest as well. < 1287610671 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ok tl;dr bsnes isn't dead he just isn't advertising it any more due to idiots < 1287610676 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh < 1287610679 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i was going to suggest, like < 1287610695 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: mailing back a C program that does system("firefox ") < 1287610698 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it is somewhat annoying, since they aren't supposed to all go into the same directory either < 1287610703 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I fixed your code, can you check if this binary works on your system?" < 1287610712 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: email back and ask for the archived version < 1287610717 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they don't immediately do so, yell at them < 1287610734 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1287610790 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and where the fuck did the makefile go... < 1287610836 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think this got windows mangled, there is a suspicious UPPPER.FOO look about filenames that would fit into the 8.3 thingy < 1287610838 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ^ < 1287610873 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: huh. < 1287610882 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: email back and ask for the archived version < 1287610886 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes < 1287610888 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I did < 1287610903 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just looking further at the attachments in question < 1287610913 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1287610966 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sets about compiling bsnes
< 1287610973 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: < 1287610977 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minimum system requirements: < 1287610977 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intel Atom, Intel Pentium IV or AMD Athlon processor < 1287610977 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :64MB RAM free < 1287610982 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1287610984 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: recommended is just core 2 duo / phenom < 1287610989 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm < 1287610991 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i... think i'll be just fine, thank you < 1287611000 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrrm < 1287611013 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: apparently it doesn't require even 1 GHz for cycle-accurate emulation < 1287611015 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like 800 MHz < 1287611020 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least that's the impression i got from his long blog post < 1287611021 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when he talked about it < 1287611082 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ouch: "Another critical failure has been in the method of archival itself. When dumping the ROM contents alone, this discards everything else about the game. For an emulator, this means there is no PCB layout information. In other words, we don't know where to map ROM and RAM to. The current state of SNES emulation is to use extremely elaborate hacks that essentially put ROM and RAM everywhere, even though the real cartridges didn't exact < 1287611082 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ly work this way." < 1287611129 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ah, the new gui is his own toolkit it seems < 1287611130 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :phoenix < 1287611135 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the qt one being unmaintained < 1287611136 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf, how can you put "rom and ram everywhere"? < 1287611144 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: "extremely elaborate hacks" < 1287611152 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Yes, certainly. There are 1,442 unique Super Famicom (Japan) games, 720 unique Super Nintendo (US) games, and 534 unique Super Ninteno (Europe) games. This gives us a grand total of 2,696 unique games.]] < 1287611154 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not much! < 1287611202 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does "putting rom and ram everywhere" even mean? < 1287611221 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: who knows? < 1287611222 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds scary. < 1287611243 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, like, duplicating them to fill the address space? But then that surely would mess up other stuff < 1287611255 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I quote, "extremely elaborate hacks" < 1287611267 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, indeed must be < 1287611275 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# profile-guided instrumentation < 1287611275 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# flags += -fprofile-generate < 1287611275 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# link += -lgcov < 1287611275 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# profile-guided optimization < 1287611275 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# flags += -fprofile-use < 1287611277 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like you! < 1287611290 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm? < 1287611302 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ make -j3 ui=ui-phoenix < 1287611304 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: insane optimisation :P < 1287611320 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ui-phoenix/general/main-window.cpp:62: error: expected primary-expression before ‘]’ token < 1287611320 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ui-phoenix/general/main-window.cpp:62: error: expected ‘;’ before ‘{’ token < 1287611320 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ui-phoenix/general/main-window.cpp:67: error: expected primary-expression before ‘[’ token < 1287611322 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :times five billion < 1287611325 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme guess, a missing header file < 1287611332 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck gcc/g++ error messages fuuuuuuuuck them < 1287611338 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, actually that is quite nice when trying to find how fast it can go. I don't, and never have, used it for normal operation < 1287611344 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never even recommended anyone to do so < 1287611362 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : systemLoadCartridge.onTick = []() { < 1287611362 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : utility.loadCartridgeNormal(); < 1287611362 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : }; < 1287611364 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that... < 1287611365 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++0x? < 1287611377 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpp := $(subst cc,++,$(compiler)) -std=gnu++0x < 1287611379 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it fucking is. wow. < 1287611383 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not any valid form of c++ I recognize anyway < 1287611388 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... < 1287611389 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. < 1287611391 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh. < 1287611397 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So my g++ doesn't do C++0x, I guess. < 1287611416 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you need at least 4.3 < 1287611421 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably 4.4 for some of it < 1287611427 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc version 4.4.5 (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.4.4-14ubuntu5) < 1287611428 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and/or 4.6 for the rest of it < 1287611451 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: []() { ... } isn't exactly hard < 1287611472 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"GCC does not have lambdas in the current 4.4 version nor the in-development 4.5 version. See gcc.gnu.org/projects/cxx0x.html for details of GCC's C++0x feature support – sstock Aug 5 '09 at 13:42" < 1287611473 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Lambda expressions and closures: No" < 1287611500 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, so how did someone manage to ever compile that code if there's no gcc version that supports it? < 1287611502 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: but: < 1287611503 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :New wording for C++0x lambdas N2927 GCC 4.5 < 1287611508 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: also, it supports other compilers for other OSes < 1287611514 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolol < 1287611515 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and defaults to qt < 1287611519 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which doesn't require c++0x :P < 1287611541 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! < 1287611543 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a gcc4.5 package < 1287611655 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ make -j3 compiler=gcc-4.5 ui=ui-phoenix < 1287611657 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :la de adh < 1287611658 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*dah < 1287612205 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wow, one program decided that the installed ocamlgraph was too old and extracted a local tarball with *the same version number* < 1287612228 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that is just mindblowing < 1287612673 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1287612991 0 :cpressey!~cpressey@12.116.117.150 JOIN :#esoteric < 1287613088 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: zomg these images are SO AWESOME. < 1287613249 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, where? < 1287613259 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The ones for webplat :P < 1287613263 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, also you should allow upgrades in the form of changing hats there < 1287613270 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, like, based on your own hat collection < 1287613274 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1287613274 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES < 1287613286 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, based on your own, not like mario thus < 1287613315 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that representing 30-odd hats in 7x4 pixels or whatever is quite a trick :P < 1287613322 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, oh good point < 1287613341 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DO NOT LET IT STOP YOU < 1287613373 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Adventures of Hatman < 1287613389 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mouse over the hat to see ZOOMED HI DEF image < 1287613391 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ gwhy-bin < 1287613391 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Computation of VCs... < 1287613392 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very nice < 1287613393 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now what < 1287613403 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it is gwhy < 1287613406 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not gwhy-bin < 1287613410 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1287613418 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ gwhy < 1287613418 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know what to do with < 1287613420 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay.... < 1287613429 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I guess it needs a parameter < 1287613446 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, somewhat amusing error < 1287613460 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, nice idea < 1287613508 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, technically 30 odd hats in 7x4 should be easy: < 1287613510 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ echo $(( 7*4 * 255 * 255 * 255 )) < 1287613510 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :464278500 < 1287613513 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except, well < 1287613531 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of them will look the same < 1287613538 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, not like hats. < 1287613545 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, ah good point too < 1287613556 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But luckily, I have enough pixels to wear a rainbow box on my head. < 1287613557 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, some will look like hair, or just EMISSINGNO < 1287613558 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooray? < 1287613591 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, do what cpressey said then ;P < 1287613604 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, anyway, did you put up the updates images so it is possible to test it? < 1287613655 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm? < 1287613730 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahhhh < 1287613736 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: *Do* you own a rainbow-hat of some sort? You ought to. < 1287613739 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been gone all day, didn't see 'em. < 1287613745 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I do not. Donations welcome. < 1287613802 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, any idea where to find one? < 1287613812 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1287613822 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, what about a mushroom hat? < 1287613844 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(looks like the Toads in mario) < 1287614348 0 :catseye!~Chris@adsl-99-97-111-25.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1287614605 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all this to play chrono trigger < 1287614634 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1287614670 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: #1 thing i hate about console emulation: having to assign keys < 1287614685 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i totally need an adapter for every console's control < 1287614695 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: just have a selection of your favourite hats for various abilities < 1287614705 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: fez could be fire, say (it's red!) < 1287614722 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fez comes with a magic carpet < 1287614824 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: xD < 1287614827 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"gconftool-2 --type bool --set /desktop/gnome/interface/menus_have_icons true" < 1287614828 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- make -n < 1287614840 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not entirely sure why it sets that :P < 1287615055 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: have you got a chrono trigger rom? rom sites suck. < 1287615059 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes indeed, i've never played it.) < 1287615100 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could, hypothetically, you know, put one somewhere. < 1287615110 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Hypothetically I would not hypothetically mind that. < 1287615119 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, apparently the US release was made easier. Eh, who cares. < 1287615123 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suck at games anyway. < 1287615216 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By playing the SNES original you're missing out on a huge pile of the most boringest fetch-quests in the whole wide world. (One of the DS port additions.) < 1287615262 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Something said that the Japanese original is harder. < 1287615276 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there was this TOTAL RETRANSLATION that fixed it and also fixed all the Engrish which, really, why are you even playing any more? < 1287615281 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Engrish is the thing! < 1287615296 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh, good, you're using BSNES, definitely the best SNES emulator. < 1287615320 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: On my memory of your recommendation! < 1287615327 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Now let's see if it can do nice shit with 1.33 GHz. < 1287615357 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It doesn't appear to have an option to scale the video though. That sads me, but whatever, the default size is okay. < 1287615366 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Oh, and, you do use the phoenix UI right? < 1287615367 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the Qt one? < 1287615422 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Uhh, do I need L and R much to play Chrono Trigger? < 1287615425 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The amount of key bindings, they scare me. < 1287615455 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The phoenix UI is fairly new; been using the Qt UI because that's got all the features. < 1287615464 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Qt UI, though, is no longer maintained. < 1287615480 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Features are for LOSERS. < 1287615483 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The current version of BSNES is the last version that will have it. < 1287615484 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: (What kind of features?) < 1287615492 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scaling the video for one. :P < 1287615492 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It's keeping it, just not being maintained; at least according to his blawg. < 1287615496 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe he posted something on the forums? < 1287615512 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll probably port it to work via libsnes one of these days. < 1287615542 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Mind, the default scaling setting seems about right. < 1287615555 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It couldn't handle another timesing and still be windowed on my screen, I don't think. < 1287615596 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You need them to enter some "passwords", but not very many times. Something like twice. (You also will need to press L+R simultaneously at one point.) < 1287615618 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I just use my PS3 controller for it, BTW. < 1287615621 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course they're sort-of useful for flipping between characters inside the menus. < 1287615624 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I own not a PS3. < 1287615636 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could hook up my GameCube controller :-P < 1287615640 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, I just use my PS3 controller too, even though I own not a PS3 either. < 1287615652 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The PS3 controller is, I've found, pretty ideal for emulation. < 1287615652 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not also own controller I PS3. < 1287615662 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay; up/down/left/right are... < 1287615668 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do I want to remap them to WASD? ...Naw. < 1287615672 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...maybe. < 1287615673 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It doesn't have L3/R3, though. :/ < 1287615699 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Those are the analog stick buttons, aren't they? < 1287615723 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Heh, I just realised that low-keyboard bindings suck for me since I don't have an arm rest... < 1287615735 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too lazy as fuck to change them though. < 1287615744 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For my reference: < 1287615749 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BA = ZX < 1287615750 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YX = AS < 1287615753 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LR = DC < 1287615756 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :' = Select < 1287615759 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1287615760 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Select = ' < 1287615764 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Start = Return < 1287615831 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, er, fizzie, that file you didn't give me, bsnes doesn't list it. < 1287615836 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is .smc a specific format or something? < 1287615864 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Super MagiCom". One of those copier headered files. < 1287615872 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So... no bsnes? < 1287615886 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So get another ROM basically? < 1287615897 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry fizzie even your hypothetical scenarios are inadequate. < 1287615897 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Qt UI would handle it. Buut, you don't want that ROM. It's nasty. < 1287615905 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry fizzie. You're nasty. < 1287615908 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Gimme yer ROM bitch :P < 1287615912 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hypothetically. < 1287615917 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, all the GoodSNES files are .smc's, you know. < 1287615931 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the industry standard. < 1287615933 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: GoodSNES is a scourge. < 1287615950 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of the 90s. < 1287615951 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/scourge/easy way to get a whole pile of games/ < 1287615957 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go for NoIntro. < 1287615977 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Dood, I need a pointer to a ROM :P < 1287615981 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can only find .smcs. < 1287616025 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's not on my disk. So a lot more complicated. < 1287616026 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Would you like Chrono Trigger (NTSC)(Eng)(1.0), Chrono Trigger (NTSC)(Jap)(1.0), or Chrono Trigger - Sample ROM (NTSC)(Jap)(1.0)? < 1287616038 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I can't read Japanese, if that matters :P < 1287616051 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: So, I'll upload the English one. :) < 1287616057 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yaaaay < 1287616064 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Why parens with no spaces between them, what possesses people to do this ugly < 1287616081 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not my naming scheme. < 1287616083 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug* < 1287616094 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[The idea that spacetime may not be entirely smooth – like a digital image that becomes increasingly pixelated as you zoom in – had been previously proposed by Stephen Hawking and others. Possible evidence for this model appeared last year in the unaccountable “noise” plaguing the GEO600 experiment in Germany, which searches for gravitational waves from black holes. To Hogan, the jitteriness suggested that the experiment had stumbled upo < 1287616094 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n the lower limit of the spacetime pixels’ resolution.]] < 1287616097 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you heard it here first < 1287616121 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And re L3/R3, I think the DualShock2 analog sticks are buttons labeled like that, but the DualShock3 I have doesn't report anything if I try to push them down. < 1287616152 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: The DualShock 3 is wireless, right? < 1287616160 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And wired. < 1287616162 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, they're just *that* hard to push. < 1287616164 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, but. < 1287616168 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never mind them, it does have those too. :p < 1287616168 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it has a USB port on it; you can plug it in.) < 1287616174 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes... but that's uncomfortable! < 1287616179 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least for where any computer would be. < 1287616183 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not so much a console.) < 1287616185 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses Bluetooth. < 1287616185 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's wireless latency like? < 1287616198 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not noticable. < 1287616205 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kay. I'd just use that then. < 1287616214 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://filebin.ca/fqsxeb < 1287616217 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been using the wireless side only with the N900, and haven't noticed any controller-related latency there. < 1287616228 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Can I have the filenamed link? I'm a lazy ass. >_> < 1287616232 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or you could just tell me the filename.) < 1287616233 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Bluetooth pairing via USB is a bit silly though. < 1287616235 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://filebin.ca/fqsxeb/ChronoTriggerNTSCEng1.0.sfc < 1287616247 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: The filenames aren't in the naming scheme??? < 1287616257 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Filebin stripped stuff out. < 1287616258 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Way to have a pointless naming scheme, hero :P < 1287616266 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: "Chrono Trigger (NTSC)(Eng)(1.0).sfc", then? < 1287616270 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1287616310 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And BTW, I have the entire set of FDS, Gameboy, Gameboy Color, Gameboy Advance, NES, SNES, and N64 ROMs for games that were *actually put on a cartridge at some point*. < 1287616322 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Is the sound actually that glitchy-sounding, or do I have a stupid PulseAudio problem? < 1287616327 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Even in 2D, people can't reverse direction on a dime (on land...in the air, they have the ability to push off air molecules to provide infinite impulse), and as such, they must do a deceleration slide before taking off the other way. < 1287616333 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Problem of some sort. < 1287616346 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Joooy < 1287616348 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To this end, I present you with sliderl2r.png, which gives a rare glimpse of your face: http://imgur.com/Z4IwY < 1287616350 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What video driver is it using? < 1287616360 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: SDL. < 1287616361 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It matters greatly. < 1287616365 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can also use X11 or OpenGL. < 1287616369 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Try OpenGL. < 1287616387 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Not X? < 1287616399 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll do software scaling. And be slow. < 1287616402 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :audio is set to pulseaudio; maybe the default ALSA is the best even when using ShitAudio. < 1287616412 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Input = SDL should be fine I asume < 1287616422 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should be. < 1287616431 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: um i'm pretty vaguely sure i've already seen it somewhere, possibly it was on reddit before < 1287616442 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Audio: PulseAudio, OpenAL, OSS, PulseAudio, PulseAudioSimple, libao < 1287616447 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have PulseAudio. WhaddoIdo :P < 1287616450 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that article was, I meant < 1287616454 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: we talked about rounding errors in physics < 1287616456 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno. < 1287616507 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Do I want both synchronise video and synchronise audio on? < 1287616518 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only the latter was on in the default config. < 1287616775 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://byuu.org/images/bsnes_20100814.png < 1287616786 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Okay, so basically, you only need a super-fast computer if you go with the 100% accuracy profile. < 1287616796 0 :An7iVi2uS!An7iVi2uS@93-172-102-223.bb.netvision.net.il JOIN :#esoteric < 1287616812 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Probably worth recompiling the Qt UI, isn't it? < 1287616815 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*with the < 1287616825 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An7iVi2uS: your spelling is no match for my tab complete < 1287616870 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, hi < 1287616973 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Do I want the compatibility or performance profile? < 1287617079 0 :An7iVi2uS!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1287617086 0 :An7iVi2uS!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1287617088 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An7iVi2uS: we're all racists here! of glorious matter convert. < 1287617094 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool oerjan can't even slap me for being weird to the newbie < 1287617095 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's gone < 1287617110 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : SEE IF I CAN'T *kickban* < 1287617123 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all racists? i didn't even _mention_ him connecting from israel < 1287617130 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't either < 1287617133 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact i only noticed it after typing that < 1287617138 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and didn't care < 1287617150 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just being incomprehensible. as always < 1287617168 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course Slereah has monopoly on such jokes here, that filthy jew. < 1287617180 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Gah, it doesn't correct aspect ratio by default. < 1287617182 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: How evil. < 1287617219 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So, uh, is Qt-Raster any good? < 1287617332 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the heck is "glorious matter convert" anyway < 1287617339 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION googles
< 1287617357 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i made it up. < 1287617367 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although: great name for a band < 1287617371 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Glorious Matter Convert < 1287617382 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a frequently used phrase, i detect < 1287617396 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1287617616 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Directer" < 1287617848 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night → < 1287617966 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Qt-Raster is shitty. < 1287617971 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Okay. < 1287617991 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Performance works quite well, but introduces bugs in a very small handful of games. < 1287618006 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... That hardly anybody even cares about. < 1287618014 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Right now I'm just thinking "Kitten has no shitty sound systems". < 1287618022 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does PulseAudio even run on non-Linux? < 1287618043 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh joy, it does. < 1287618046 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I won't package it. < 1287618046 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ever. < 1287618048 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's a promise. < 1287618071 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if it manages to stop sucking? < 1287618084 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1287618120 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly, this is about as likely as my being teleported 2 feet to the left. < 1287618131 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Even if it stops sucking. < 1287618142 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's another sound system that doesn't suck and it's called everything that isn't PulseAudio. < 1287618178 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: OK, I added the new frames. < 1287618185 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I can't seem to formulate an opinion, so make your own :P < 1287618204 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Err, sorry, only the new jumping and falling frames, not crouching or turning. < 1287618253 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how can you jump forcefully without crouching first? < 1287618260 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :video.windowed.hwFilter = 0^M < 1287618260 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :video.windowed.swFilter = 0^M < 1287618260 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: How do you feel about JACK? < 1287618261 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ? :P < 1287618273 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: JACK is uh, I have no problem with it although apparently it's a bitch and... why do you need it? < 1287618282 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has low latency. < 1287618284 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...So does OSS. < 1287618287 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I was honestly just wondering about your opinion on it. < 1287618292 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I was speaking hypothetically. < 1287618292 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's seriously *it*. < 1287618302 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. an arbitrary "you" < 1287618306 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1287618329 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, JACK lets you do this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/66/Jack-connecting_audio.png < 1287618332 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1287618339 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I can tell, JACK is what you use when you use ALSA and thus your latency sucks :P < 1287618342 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...plus that. < 1287618347 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, use it if you want, I won't begrudge you :P < 1287618489 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: God, PulseAudio just ... sucks. < 1287618499 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... it literally makes good audio impossible. < 1287618554 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The following packages will be REMOVED: < 1287618554 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : indicator-sound{a} libcanberra-pulse{a} pulseaudio{p} < 1287618554 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : pulseaudio-esound-compat{a} pulseaudio-module-bluetooth{a} < 1287618554 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : pulseaudio-module-gconf{a} pulseaudio-module-x11{a} ubuntu-desktop{a} < 1287618554 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 8 to remove and 0 not upgraded. < 1287618555 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 3,858kB will be freed. < 1287618557 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] < 1287618559 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Do I fucking do it? < 1287618562 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Seems that the only real options out there are JACK and PulseAudio for something with an audio *server*. Aaaand JACK seems to be the only usable one. < 1287618589 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And since there's not many reasons to use JACK, clearly OSS is the only sound system. < 1287618623 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Do I fucking do it? < 1287618648 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: YES < 1287618662 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But dude, my volume control. < 1287618691 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://0pointer.de/lennart/lennart.png <-- needs anal raping so he can know what horrors he has unleashed upon the world < 1287618694 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAMN YOU LENNART POETTERING < 1287618697 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAAAMN YOUUUU < 1287618725 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Thanks to PulseAudio, the Linux audio experience is becoming more context-aware. For example, if a video is running in one application the system should now automatically reduce the volume of everything else and increase it when the video is finished." < 1287618727 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it doesn't. < 1287618728 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So fuck you. < 1287618760 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sound system wars1 < 1287618761 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1287618763 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[However, the future of PCM audio is floating points. Mixing them in kernel space is problematic because (at least on Linux) FP in kernel space is a no-no. Also, the kernel people made clear more than once that maths/decoding/encoding like this should happen in userspace. Quite honestly, doing the mixing in kernel space is probably one of the primary reasons why I think that OSS4 is a bad idea. The fancier your mixing gets (i.e. including resamp < 1287618764 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ling, upmixing, downmixing, DRC, ...) the more difficulties you will have to move such a complex, time-intensive code into the kernel.]] < 1287618766 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Translation: < 1287618782 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: "I'm not as good at programming kernel code as the OSSv4 developers, so clearly you should use PulseAudio instead." < 1287618789 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"OSS4 does a lot of signal processing (resampling, mixing) in the kernel. That is a big no-no, it's verboten in the Linux world." < 1287618791 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck you it works well. < 1287618795 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The kernel is supposed to include drivers, not processing algorithms." < 1287618803 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The kernel is supposed to not suck, too. It doesn't. < 1287618811 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In its current form OSS4 would have exactly zero chance to even be considered by the Linux kernel people." < 1287618821 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other things that have zero chance of being considered by Linux kernel people: Sanity < 1287618828 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you'd rip out all the mixing, resampling, conversion, remapping then not much would be left of OSS4, except that a slightly updated OSS3 API." < 1287618838 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas with PulseAudio, if you removed all the suck, you'd have a README. If that. < 1287618844 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Then, the driver support in ALSA these days is actually much better than OSS4 since a lot of hw manufacturers nowadays work with the Linux community to improve the in-kernel drivers." < 1287618848 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So since ALSA is so great, use PulseAudio. < 1287618852 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"OSS4 doesn't have that advantage." < 1287618856 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am high as a kite. < 1287618861 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I will stop now but RRRRGH < 1287618914 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://cdn.idg.com.au/gim/id/20602/res/18 dear god a little kid owns my linux sound system < 1287618920 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why can't it be a competent little kid, like me < 1287618936 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hereby reassign my obligatory I am high as a kite quote. < 1287618938 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It's pretty obvious that the complaints and criticisms about PulseAudio you can hear in some forums are not really shared by the vast majority of technical people" < 1287618938 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :drivers ARE processing algorithms JEEZ < 1287618940 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am high as a kite. < 1287618961 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Translation of ... to Plain English" articles are, by law, required to translate at least one quote to "I am high as a kite.") < 1287618987 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That's... Pretty damned ridiculous. < 1287619000 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ITT: NetBSD < 1287619006 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Less users, less crazy! < 1287619011 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Isn't mixing closer to the actual output significantly better? < 1287619019 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: but dude, Linux is a kernel of PURITY < 1287619025 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah real pure < 1287619034 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so pure it gets me high as a kite < 1287619037 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before every commit, Torvalds prints out the diff < 1287619039 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eats it < 1287619044 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then, when he feels the need to shit < 1287619047 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he gets a blanket < 1287619053 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he shits out a pure brick of light < 1287619061 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he then flattens this brick with a rolling pin < 1287619064 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and scans it < 1287619075 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then he uses an algorithm to convert this pure fecal brick of light back into a diff < 1287619078 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and commits that < 1287619082 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why Linux is perfect < 1287619099 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of Linus Torvalds' digestive system and anus < 1287619117 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://insanecoding.blogspot.com/2009/06/state-of-sound-in-linux-not-so-sorry.html < 1287619118 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ok totally removing pulseaudio < 1287619120 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my system will break now < 1287619138 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how going from libalsa to kernel-level ALSA has the highest latency always.