< 1287705628 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: this one was removed from the website and replaced by the current one: http://laurenoutloud.com/main/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/PBF247-Catch_Phrase.jpg < 1287705636 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it was the last comic before a long hiatus and then Transmission got posted) < 1287705641 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and nothing since) < 1287705676 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, so the ones at the top are more recent? < 1287705683 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: yes. < 1287705684 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes they are < 1287705692 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1287705694 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never had a problem with the design :D < 1287705738 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha i forgot this one http://www.pbfcomics.com/archive_b/PBF186-Guntron_Alliance_Force.jpg < 1287705771 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1287705870 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :need food, home. later < 1287705879 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need food < 1287705880 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a home! < 1287705884 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... only later. < 1287706135 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Only a bit over an hour until I've got Elephant's Dream in 1080p! < 1287706145 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Then your life will be COMPLETE < 1287706156 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1287706158 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, then I'll have to encode this monster. < 1287706162 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Then your life will be COMPLETE < 1287706166 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES < 1287706175 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Anyway, I'm sure you could do better than just telling x264 not to do anything lossy... < 1287706190 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I suggest you make ll264, a fork of x264 for losslessness! YAAAAAAAAAAAYno < 1287706197 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*YAAAAAAAAAAAYno. < 1287706200 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(totally an important correction) < 1287706210 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Actually, it's a high-quality implementation of h264's Lossless profile. < 1287706217 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*H.264's < 1287706220 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Okay, but still... < 1287706221 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right. < 1287706235 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure the Lossless profile wasn't one of the most important parts of the H.264 spec :P < 1287706244 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Also, know that animation, even 3D, is easier to encode. < 1287706259 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Lossless HD live-action I... don't see happening right now. < 1287706265 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Oh, and you still need a lot of disk for this stuff, of course :P < 1287706270 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually very simple to do *very well* with a high-quality format. < 1287706308 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You see, the main thing they have to do to make it into a lossless format is turn off the quantisation after the DCT. < 1287706328 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whiich means that most of the magic stuff that it does to get good quality video at a low bitrate is still working. < 1287706458 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here ever used googleDNS? < 1287706473 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not I; I use a local DNS server. < 1287706480 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not I; I use a local DNS server. < 1287706484 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully for reasons other than speed... < 1287706496 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it'll end up slower on average, due to the insane infrastructure and caching your ISP will have) < 1287706503 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The ISP DNS server sucks ass. < 1287706509 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1287706512 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just use Google's < 1287706513 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: so, me < 1287706519 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... you are in america, yes? < 1287706532 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yus < 1287706533 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: try 4.4.4.1, 4.4.4.2 < 1287706537 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's verizon's or... someone's but < 1287706540 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're meant to be pretty good < 1287706543 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :avoid opendns like the plague < 1287706550 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has so much shit turned on by default and turning it off is a pain and just no. < 1287706573 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it honest-to-god redirects you to an ISP site if the domain name doesn't exist. < 1287706584 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like opendns!~ < 1287706589 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is solidly BULLSHIT. < 1287706634 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, yeah; I've got a caching recursive DNS server on localhost. < 1287706644 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: djb? < 1287706650 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds useful < 1287706691 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Uh, unbound. < 1287706705 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Use djbdns or djb will eat your soul. < 1287706706 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your SOUL < 1287706745 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: YOUR SOUL < 1287706784 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Joke's on him. I long ago sold it off to a LLC that manages it for me. < 1287706823 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION rather likes Opera except for one or two annoyances < 1287706825 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Recursive resolver. < 1287706829 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: He will find your LLC and hunt it down. < 1287706855 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha oh wow, Grave of the Fireflies was initially shown in a double feature with *My Neighbour Totoro*. < 1287706860 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you imagine a more awful juxtaposition? < 1287706868 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tellytubbies with a snuff film? < 1287706905 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, the people who wanted Grave of the Fireflies would probably enjoy Tonari no Totoro. < 1287706923 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Given that Studio Ghibli is pretty universally beloved. :) < 1287706930 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, but *double feature*. < 1287706931 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's either: < 1287706932 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Opera handles SL Marketplace's nuttiness nicely < 1287706940 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and? < 1287706942 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can someone tell me how to make clicking links happen with left mouse button in urxvt? i'm not skilled with the magic of .xdefaults and such < 1287706947 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of, I still need to see Tonari no Totoro. < 1287706950 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Oh god, I... *cry*. ...what the fuck what is this animal ... thing" < 1287706952 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1287706964 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hahaha this is nice I like this okay it is over now, catbus! ...;_;" < 1287707002 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: FWIW, an Rxvt resource just looks like this: < 1287707005 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rxvt.foo: value < 1287707030 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: grepping http://linux.die.net/man/1/urxvt i can't find anything < 1287707048 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: thanks i got help from someone else < 1287707048 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It's good, although that's ... obvious. < 1287707055 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: For the record, how is it done? < 1287707061 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Wait, the two films came out at the same time and it was a really early set of films for them? < 1287707070 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I'm not sure what they were thinking. < 1287707082 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"really early"? eh? < 1287707087 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like they were the Japanese Disney yet! < 1287707088 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you mean < 1287707090 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1287707098 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 3rd and 4th films of theirs. < 1287707119 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok < 1287707126 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At this point I'm in love with Opera < 1287707127 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: change the matcher.button var in .Xdefaults < 1287707132 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: get a room < 1287707133 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's search engine handling is NICE < 1287707136 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: ok < 1287707198 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1287707627 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh duh there it is http://i.imgur.com/51f9p.jpg < 1287707657 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow i didn't manage to find it again though it still no. 2 on r/technology < 1287707907 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i approve < 1287708083 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it's < 1287708341 0 :catseye!~Chris@adsl-99-92-178-134.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1287708372 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye is now speaking frmo netbsd < 1287708385 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i... WHY YES < 1287708392 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :behold! < 1287708424 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the filesystem is made of rubies and emeralds! < 1287708437 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: not Rubys? < 1287708453 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but uh < 1287708454 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffffffffffffffffffffffff < 1287708461 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :languages < 1287708462 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that could actually be true(ish) < 1287708462 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's with them. < 1287708487 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1287708646 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: eh, what's with them. < 1287708649 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god i don't know < 1287708664 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they uh are uh needed for things that go in them. < 1287708685 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find myself saying "i hate computers" a lot < 1287708734 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are fundamentally hateable. < 1287708742 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially the morons who write their software. < 1287708782 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are the TrueCrypt defaults sensible? < 1287708796 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: so uh what is a language < 1287708801 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol truecrypt < 1287708849 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Whaddya mean, "what is a language"? < 1287708860 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: a language of goodness for scripting < 1287708865 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a la ruby python perl but less shit < 1287708869 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tcl not an option < 1287708890 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, it's all pretty shitty. < 1287708898 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you considered shell? < 1287708900 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1287708919 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ALSO NOT AN OPTION not answering will result in being shot < 1287708928 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TrueCrypt doesn't want me continuing unless I make a rescue disk < 1287708931 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: KittenScript. < 1287708944 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: implication of additional work replied. < 1287708946 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: lol truecrypt < 1287708954 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...why am i even trying to tell Sgeo anything he won't listen < 1287708955 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Lua? < 1287708963 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i, yes, well, i did consider it < 1287708964 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, better choices? < 1287708977 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell? < 1287708979 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I want to do is encrypt my HD < 1287708980 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: (1) one-based indexing, (2) incredibly anaemic stdlib, < 1287708992 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: (3) arrays are tables are objects, < 1287708999 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, what, precisely, is wrong wth TrueCrypt? < 1287709002 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: (4) "function(x) return x+1 end" is a bit verbose. < 1287709006 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: truecrypt is developed in a very shady manner. < 1287709032 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it is open source, but there is no repository, no real discussion of any development. just a tarball getting put up every now and then, < 1287709036 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not clear at all who develops it, < 1287709045 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik nobody regularly reviews the code < 1287709066 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The TrueCrypt developers use the aliases "ennead" and "syncon", but later replaced all references to these aliases on their website with "The TrueCrypt Foundation" in 2010[36] < 1287709067 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The domain name "truecrypt.org" was originally registered to a false address ("NAVAS Station, ANTARCTICA")[37][38], and was later concealed behind a Network Solutions private registration.[39] < 1287709077 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i wouldn't trust it. at all. < 1287709086 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That's... Pretty shady. < 1287709093 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: At that point why not make it a Tor site? < 1287709106 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: can't touch this < 1287709111 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which would be, amazingly, *more legitimate*) < 1287709116 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop! TrueCrypt time! < 1287709147 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my encryption hits me so hard! < 1287709148 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. < 1287709180 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: try, for instance, dm-crypt. < 1287709193 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, truecrypt also has its own license < 1287709196 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's very long < 1287709198 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.truecrypt.org/legal/license < 1287709216 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dm-crypt appears to be a Linux thing < 1287709225 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you trust Windows with your sensitive information? < 1287709230 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahahahaha! < 1287709239 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitLocker_Drive_Encryption < 1287709246 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hahahahaha) < 1287709266 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: btw, ubuntu lets you specify to encrypt your home directory with one click in the installer. < 1287709279 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh, nice < 1287709290 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. now go and install it. now. over the windows partition. < 1287709430 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: REXX! < 1287709434 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: heh < 1287709447 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never actually touched the stuff < 1287709461 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah bbiab < 1287709472 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1287709490 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are all the Chrome skins for Opera breaking the menu button? < 1287709511 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except the one that leaves the title bar intact *eyeroll* < 1287709620 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you're trying to *dress a browser up* to specifically *look like another browser*? < 1287709623 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate you i hate you i hate you < 1287709645 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer Chrome's looks, but Opera works better for me < 1287709767 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, "netbook skin" is very nice < 1287709777 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It solves the main issue I was having with the default skin < 1287710343 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight; bye. < 1287710344 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Connection reset by peer review < 1287710711 0 :catseye!~Chris@adsl-99-92-178-134.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1287710861 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit I'm going to have the Chocobo Theme stuck in my head now. < 1287711143 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1287711424 0 :antivigilante!~antivigil@174-26-74-233.phnx.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1287711604 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1287711788 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@128.198.97.91 JOIN :#esoteric < 1287712332 0 :catseye!~Chris@adsl-99-92-178-134.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1287712361 0 :Slereah!~butt@ANantes-259-1-67-174.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1287712590 0 :antivigilante!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1287712638 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1287712652 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ew. There's a GNU Netcat. < 1287712697 0 :Slereah!~butt@ANantes-259-1-76-235.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1287712831 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, but, if it works, it works -- whatever netcat comes with Cygwin doesn't. < 1287713079 0 :SgeOpera!~opera@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1287713085 0 :SgeOpera!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been a while since I've used Opera's IRC client < 1287713095 0 :SgeOpera!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's probably a good reason for that :/ < 1287713103 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never done it < 1287713107 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Opera repels me, frankly. < 1287713148 0 :SgeOpera!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1287713680 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cuz I so totally need to run a bot from under Windows, you see. < 1287713687 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because that's so totally advisable. < 1287713728 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eeerrm yeah, GNU Netcat does not build on cygwin, at least not without hacking & I am lazy. < 1287713763 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if there are netcats written in scripting languages < 1287713799 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://4thmouse.com/index.php/2008/02/22/netcat-clone-in-three-languages-part-ii-python/ < 1287713801 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1287713816 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently there are one-offs, if not official such things < 1287713880 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The worst part about being in ##javascript is that there's no distinguishing between complete imbeciles and good programmers who just have questions. < 1287713881 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does not support running a program on the socket. ok, whatever < 1287713885 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1287713901 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: none whatsoever? < 1287713928 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually not on the first question anyway. If you respond, then go "this idiot is a waste of my time", you will have already shown your presence :P < 1287713984 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I received the Millenium Box Set. Volume B does not seem up to date (it is version 3.14159 but the executable I have on my computer is version 3.1415926). But there is something else that I don't have on my computer: there is a footnote after every two pages listing the identifiers used there and section numbers, and what kind of variable/macro/procedure/number. < 1287714102 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I infer from the version number that this is something about TeX < 1287714129 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that approximated e. Or was that something else? < 1287714147 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Perhaps 3.14159 was the version it was at, in 2000. < 1287714152 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I have no clue which one TeX approximates < 1287714163 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or 2001, if you are a Timekeeping Purist < 1287714177 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just that Knuth did versioning of something to some transcendental in the set {e, pi} < 1287714203 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what the differences are? If I know what they are, perhaps I can write on the changes by pencil. < 1287714211 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, Cygwin's Python's time.dll seems to be broken < 1287714221 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TeX uses versioning approaching pi and METAFONT uses version numbers approaching e. < 1287714234 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1287714269 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't suppose you've written your own netcat and tested it on Cygwin. < 1287714273 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides pi and e, what important transcendentals are there? < 1287714354 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: You are correct I have not done so < 1287714503 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1287714532 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sigh. Writing... own... netcat... < 1287714567 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, stealing a good chunk of it from that blog post) < 1287714602 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Powers of e? < 1287714643 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Particular powers? < 1287714697 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sin(a) and cos(a) for algebraic non-zero numbers? < 1287714880 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gelfond%E2%80%93Schneider_theorem and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindemann%E2%80%93Weierstrass_theorem < 1287715003 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those ALLLL leak memory! < 1287715262 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :αβ = exp(β log α) < 1287715265 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1287715288 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O... oh < 1287715291 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let exp x = 10 * x in < 1287715375 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1287715481 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The copyright page says "Incorporates the final corrections made in 1995, and a few dozen mode." but what are they? "Version 3.141592 fixed \xleaders, glueset, weird alignments (December 2002)." "Version 3.1415926 was a general cleanup with minor fixes (February 2008). < 1287715498 0 :Wamanuz2!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1287715518 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What stuff was changed, exactly? < 1287715565 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You get transcendental digits. You do not get detailed release notes. < 1287715583 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1287715639 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found the errata file. < 1287715721 0 :Wamanuz!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1287715766 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good grief. Python's time.dll error shows up in my netcat too. Even though it doesn't call any time functions (maybe it does indirectly through the socket functions, though that'd still be a bit weird.) < 1287719178 0 :storkbot!~storkbot@adsl-99-92-178-134.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1287719185 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :et voila < 1287719356 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Downgraded Python to make it work. Also I now suspect nc -e doesn't work because cygwin doesn't implement buffering properly or something; I had to set my netcat-in-py to completely unbuffered for it to connect < 1287719359 0 :webquint!803d15e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.61.21.226 JOIN :#esoteric < 1287719518 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell storkbot hi < 1287719519 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Consider it noted. < 1287719524 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell storkbot hello < 1287719526 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Consider it noted. < 1287719532 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1287719553 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't see your own msgs to the channel, do you < 1287719570 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell catseye what is supposed to happen < 1287719570 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :webquint: Consider it noted. < 1287719596 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :webquint: just testing. it's a stupid note-taking bot. < 1287719597 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: webquint told me to tell you: what is supposed to happen < 1287719612 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1287719614 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1287719617 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wanted to see if it would pass along a message to itself < 1287719638 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, also it is running on Windows Vista, because that is so totally advisable. < 1287719664 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's storkbot because it "carries messages to people"? < 1287719690 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason for the "stork" moniker are... obscure. originally it didn't do this function at all... < 1287719698 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*reasons < 1287719704 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um...k < 1287719727 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, what makes in-channel message delivery better than memoserv/PM? < 1287719755 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't aware of memoserv :) < 1287719785 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1287719798 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, i suppose one advantage would be that this works with any nick, not just registered nicks < 1287719801 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's about all < 1287719812 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just copying lambdabot's functionality < 1287719988 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The bot's full name is "mzstorkipiwanbotbotbot", but that's too long for a nick on this system.) < 1287720172 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Images collected: 118 < 1287720172 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Images remaining: 12 < 1287720178 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For Facebook, that's probably pretty good :P < 1287720207 0 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1287720247 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1287720258 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The US porn industry is larger than the US film industry. < 1287720293 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$8.65 billion a year vs. $8.59 billion a year in gross profit. < 1287720358 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am surprised that you find that surprising. < 1287720434 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, I still have this idea that the US film industry is large. < 1287720445 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it has large *mindshare*... < 1287720471 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When in fact the toothpick industry is larger. Toothpicks! < 1287720490 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :volume :D < 1287720538 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of magazines with toothpicks on the cover < 1287720569 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, people who try to look like toothpicks, anyhow < 1287720577 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Those are supposed to be people. < 1287720590 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There, I think I got all of the errata of TeX: The Program. < 1287720598 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't decide who executed that joke best < 1287720599 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The errata file is http://www.tex.ac.uk/CTAN/systems/knuth/dist/errata/errata.tex < 1287720602 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably catseye < 1287720639 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stabs webquint with a toothpick --- < 1287720705 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is just one really long piece of errata which I have decided not to copy out, instead printing a copy of that page from my computer and inserting it into the book. < 1287720706 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile other people look like balloons. it might be a good idea to keep them apart. < 1287720752 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but wheeeeeeere, where do they make ballooooons? < 1287720766 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the helium mines of course < 1287720831 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suddenly suspects a reference < 1287720843 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you seen the ignite presentation about helium? < 1287720849 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was damned interesting? < 1287720855 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/?/!/ < 1287720867 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU CANNOT IGNITE HELIUM, STUPID < 1287720870 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/!/‽/ < 1287720896 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well except fusion, but that's not yet practical. < 1287720911 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i should take that as a no < 1287720949 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the same guy that tells all the bad physics jokes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN2-_5y_Vvw < 1287721052 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was srsly not thinking about toothpick people when i said that, only the surrealism of actual toothpicks on the cover of any magazine (aside from Toothpick Fancier Magazine.) so oerjan should get credit for that. < 1287721061 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No, but you can fise it. < 1287721086 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: that's going to take a _lot_ of energy < 1287721103 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, no, it's going to *make* a lot of energy. < 1287721118 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1287721119 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: then i'll give it pikhq for being slightly more subtle < 1287721139 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh, fission does not release energy for elements < iron, pikhq < 1287721145 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And by "energy" I mean "entropy". < 1287721170 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will read the entire book first before writing C-TeX, and then I can continue refering to the book while writing the program (I might insert TeX comments or @q ... @> comments to indicate which part of the book I refer to; this information is mostly only for myself). < 1287721188 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I make a book of this program and of my various other TeX stuff I have done, I should call the book "How To Make This Book". < 1287721353 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this a good title? < 1287721391 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so you already knew that all knew supplies of helium on earth basically come from uranium decay products getting trapped in natural gas deposits? < 1287721403 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/knew su/new su/ < 1287721416 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can include QR codes of the compressed files so that you can publish a copy of the book from your own computer too. < 1287721524 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well more or less. < 1287721596 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the "helium mines" _was_ a joke < 1287721869 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Does ISO18004 allow QR codes big enough to encode themselves and several others? how many pages of the book do you think a single QR code could encode at a maximum? < 1287721894 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :webquint: For that comment we'll send you to the helium mines, boy! < 1287721939 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: were you just waiting to say that to the next person who talked? < 1287722019 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, if the standard allows them to be that big, i think "a QR code matching a program which outputs that QR code" would be an interesting exercise. < 1287722049 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :May I quote you? < 1287722061 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... < 1287722063 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tired < 1287722068 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought this was #android < 1287722082 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was about to paste it into #esoteric < 1287722092 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh good idea < 1287722114 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhh < 1287722126 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1287722139 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1287722161 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :webquint: The files can be compressed using gzip or whatever, and only the source files are needed (such as the ".w" files, and the ".tex" files which were not generated from the ".w", and a few others), and multiple QR codes can be used if necessary, which sequence numbers too if necessary. < 1287722289 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1287722315 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it seems like it would take a lot of them to encode the compress sources that generate the QR codes themselves < 1287722316 0 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1287722337 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The intention however, is still that once you scan and uncompress and compile, you will have everything you need to make the book, all of the components involved being described in the book.) < 1287722465 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, sorry, that isn't true; it won't be necessary to describe the components I did not write (such as the Computer Modern fonts). It would still seem to be a good idea if the Computer Modern fonts can be downloaded from the book, however! < 1287722469 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it sounds like an awesome book < 1287722495 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if the entire last half of the book is QR codes six per page < 1287722520 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you want a description of the Computer Modern fonts, purchase the Computers & Typesetting Millenium Boxed Set) < 1287722715 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you are a film buff! i have no reason for saying this < 1287722717 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :webquint: Of course some things might be changed; it is possible I will change things; perhaps it can include a DVD instead or something. Or perhaps only a minimal number of QR codes can be included for the most important stuff and the DVD containing everything. Or maybe no QR codes at all. < 1287722780 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: which might be why it's wrong < 1287722798 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can contain printouts of Enhanced CWEB programs. Have you ever seen (or heard of) Enhanced CWEB programs? (My implementation of BytePusher VM is written in Enhanced CWEB.) < 1287722805 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you should make a spinoff "quine book" with the goal of having the smallest book possible containing all the data needed to generate every page of the book, without using any outside data, or any outside tools besides ZXing, cat, make, and gcc < 1287722814 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. QR codes... < 1287722824 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should definitely be used for magnet URIs. < 1287722827 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wherein the user does not have to actually *enter* any text < 1287722840 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :webquint: Ah, OK. That is another idea! < 1287722906 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could include a program which takes a CC# and makes a series of calls to createspace.com services to replicate itself < 1287722916 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1287722919 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1287722927 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in that case, the book would also describe how it works, even. < 1287722938 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: No! No network calls. Everything must be done locally < 1287722956 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: printing a hardback book is hard to do locally < 1287723010 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :webquint: In that case, the "quine book" doesn't have to be a hardback book. It can be one that you punch holes in the pages and put it in a binder, or something like that. < 1287723019 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: as i was thinking < 1287723043 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be fun to print out a few, and place them randomly in local bookstores and libraries, and see if they catch on < 1287723056 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :webquint: O, that is a idea. < 1287723176 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another note: I found out why Enhanced CWEB v0.3 wouldn't work on other computers; I fix it now and included a file "how_to_compile.txt" describing how you can compile Enhanced CWEB on your computer. < 1287723204 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first page would describe the purpose of the book "this book assumes you are a competent Unixer and like playing around with funky things. This book contains all the programs and data you need to produce this book, along with the dead-easy instructions to do so. When finished, bind the resulting pages in a book like this one and stick it in a faraway bookstore or library or two or twenty. Let's see how far this thing can go < 1287723242 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1287723305 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :webquint: Interesting idea! < 1287723324 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :step 1) scan/take pictures of every page in the book. if you have the time to do this much, take heart! you're halfway there...." < 1287723399 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you should license all the source code under a license which explicitly disallows it from being distributed in any form except book-full-of-QRs form < 1287723410 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :webquint: That isn't as good, eventually it will deteriorate quality < 1287723500 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, I don't really plan to write this "quine book", but I might if I want to, or you can do so, or whatever..... < 1287723509 0 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1287723509 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and put a license notice in the book which disallows it from being directly scanned/copied for any reason: all new books must be produced via the provided sources. < 1287723553 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The C-TeX is just another program, the book containing C-TeX (and other things) would just intend to describe the computer programs used to create the book (in addition to a few other things). < 1287723575 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's a silly idea < 1287723581 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's fun to imagine < 1287723608 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :webquint: Yes I know it is a silly idea but it can be imagine, anyways, whether or not it is actually done. < 1287723757 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did no one tell me about this 11 language iterating quine? < 1287723796 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You will recognize 4 corner Days or incur Easter Island Ending. < 1287723803 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawlcube < 1287723837 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :webquint: What 11 language iterating quine? < 1287723856 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't find a good link to it < 1287723858 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hold on < 1287723924 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Ruby code generates Python code, which generates Perl code, which generates Lua code, which generates OCaml code, which generates Haskell code, which generates C code, which generates Java code, which generates Brainfuck code, which generates Whitespace code, which generates Unlambda code, which generates the original Ruby code again. < 1287723952 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://d.hatena.ne.jp/ku-ma-me/20090916/p1 < 1287723976 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES YES YES < 1287723979 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I FINALLY WIN TIMECUBE < 1287723990 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's ridiculously short too... < 1287723996 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :congrats Gregor < 1287724001 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds difficult < 1287724023 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's one image that's REALLY hard to catch because it's right in the middle of a bunch of text, and if you miss it you can't get back up to it. < 1287724023 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1287724026 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here is the source file I wrote for the BytePusher VM program: http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/prog/BytePusher/BytePusher.w Now you can see how a Enhanced CWEB program is written (as you can see, it combines TeX codes with C codes, as well as some other things) < 1287724083 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1287724173 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I can see that 11 language iterating quine. (I see yen signs where there should probably be backslashes) < 1287724214 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WIN PAGE TWO! < 1287724217 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i think he's using 255 to encode several things < 1287724239 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone else added erlang and sh < 1287724244 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways, does anyone know this guy? < 1287724253 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he seems to be into a lot of esolang stuff < 1287724288 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I win "Above God"! :P < 1287724310 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: did you abstract sprites yet? < 1287724327 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :webquint: That will take a significant amount of time, and believe it or not I am doing other important things while doing this silliness :P < 1287724342 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't believe it < 1287724422 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, because java is LAME, you have to name the java program QuineRelay < 1287724437 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just kidding, Java is a p cool dude sometimes) < 1287724579 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will tell you something else: Hatena Diary now contains a short description of some of the commands in FlogScript (in Japanese). Actually there are a few things mentioning FlogScript on there. (Probably because it is one of the programming languages available on Anarchy Golf) < 1287724813 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are also many things about esolang on Hatena Diary. < 1287724886 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmmmmm < 1287724902 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should it be possible to have perfect X acceleration while jumping in WebSplat? < 1287724911 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It makes no physical sense of course, but most games let you. < 1287724989 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just expected of 2D platformers. < 1287725012 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn physical sense, it's very annoying to ruin expectations for no good reason. < 1287725053 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"perfect x acceleration"? please explain. < 1287725077 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: It's possible to change your movement in the x direction in midair in most platformers. < 1287725089 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, that was what i suspected it meant. thanks. < 1287725095 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually mean the ability to change your X direction just as fast as you can on land. < 1287725114 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Though it makes no sense to have any control over it at *all* for the most part. < 1287725119 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In some games you are not allowed to change direction while jumping. < 1287725119 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1287725137 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, modulo certain things like changing your center of mass, and/or having *wings*. < 1287725150 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just read the description of the perl pentomino solver quine < 1287725153 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat stuff < 1287725181 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, irl you are better equipped to spin yourself in midair, which few 2d platformers support :) < 1287725202 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Quite true. :) < 1287725229 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I actually kinda like it like this ... (with no X control midair) < 1287725239 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In one 2D platform game I invented, your piece is the ball, and if you jump, it is too high, when it falls down it will break. So, you have to jump up onto a higher platform < 1287725254 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i can add rocket shoes to the game, so that midair x control is a power-up < 1287725275 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :webquint: My policy of "you make the images and I'll make the physics" still stands :P < 1287725280 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I have no useful time guarantees on that ... < 1287725284 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What makes even *less* sense is double-jumping. < 1287725285 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1287725290 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and double jumping in midair also requires rocket shoes < 1287725298 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: True! < 1287725309 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could make it so by default you have to hit the ground before beginning the double jump < 1287725318 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Mario-style walljumping. < 1287725320 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like in 3d mario games < 1287725324 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes < 1287725328 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wall jumping! < 1287725333 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(*2D* Mario-style walljumping) < 1287725360 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the 2d mario games didn't feature double-jumping iirc < 1287725375 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1287725376 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a bug that lets you wall jump, though. < 1287725407 0 :antivigilante!~antivigil@174-26-66-221.phnx.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1287725408 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in super mario sunshine you can jump-land-doublejump-land-triple-spin-jump < 1287725422 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes some amount of sense if you realize mario has trampoline shoes < 1287725440 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually think I might like it with half as much acceleration both ground and air ... < 1287725456 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that might be nice < 1287725512 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 frames per second encoding! < 1287725538 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ...? < 1287725551 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: x264 is slow on 1080p content. < 1287725560 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :webquint, pikhq: Try websplat nao < 1287725565 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Opinions on X acc. < 1287725570 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slower *still* when it's reading from 21G of PNGs. < 1287725577 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okai. have to go back to other computron first < 1287725588 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: X-D < 1287725906 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on x264's estimates from a minute's worth encoded, this will be about 6 gigs. < 1287725909 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From 21 gigs. < 1287725912 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lossless. < 1287725943 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but you're going from totally independent PNGs to video with interframe/movement info. < 1287725951 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite true. < 1287725972 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :81,200 kbps seems like a doable bitrate. < 1287726062 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pity that's higher than the maximum permitted Bluray bitrate. < 1287726169 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hasn't tested yet. < 1287726176 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, essentially quite doable. < 1287726181 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION got distracted by the ruby spinning globe iteratng quine < 1287726299 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, i just thought of something < 1287726356 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one could probably make a QR code that encoded an actual GIF file which was said QR code. < 1287726364 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's about as close to QR quine as one can get < 1287726403 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1287726406 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That might be a bit difficult to do, but there might be a way. < 1287726429 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might require coding the compressed data in the GUF file manually? < 1287726433 0 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1287726478 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since, among other things, GIFs use RLE, it should be possible to specify the QR code in less data than the QR can store, thus making it possible < 1287726549 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1287726559 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems that this is about double the bitrate of a *Bluray* video. < 1287726571 0 :antivigilante!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1287726575 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, there may be unforeseen issues with this idea... < 1287726590 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1287726648 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: one the upper-year students is quite involved in encoding. He's nearly finished writing some epicly awesome encoder or something < 1287726648 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, at the very least, it should be possible to produce an *iterating* QRine by brute force < 1287726691 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just produce a QR code that outputs the right headers, fill in the rest randomly, and iteratively convert it a QR code, replace the header part with GIF header, and repeat < 1287726694 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: ATM I'm just staring in awe at the power of x264. I mean, this is *astounding* compression. < 1287726713 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given how noisy-looking QR codes are, I'm not sure how well they compress; and then there's overhead, both from the image file format and the QR code error-correction (though the latter can be tuned). But you could easily just take any random QR code image and see how small you could make it. < 1287726722 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently the raw video of this is 46GB. Going from 46GB to 6GB. That's absolutely *insane*. < 1287726784 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this might actually be more likely to produce a period 1 QRine than an iterating one < 1287726801 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's V8 like? < 1287726848 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: they are noisy because they encode noisy data presumably. more regular data should compress better, which is good, as it is more likely to produce regular ouput too < 1287726855 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: V8? < 1287726868 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The WebM thing < 1287726879 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Slightly worse than H.264. < 1287726896 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: BTW, you realise that I'm discussing a *lossless encode* here, right? < 1287726914 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Lossless encode from 48GB to 6GB? < 1287726922 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, 46 < 1287726944 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1287726946 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i like that you can see the sprites better this way, but it doesn't seem as action-intense. Increase acceleration by 50%? < 1287726983 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes. < 1287726990 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: This is *completely and utterly insane*. < 1287727002 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: OK, try it now. < 1287727006 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: or i could make some walking sprites and you could implement a sprint button... >:D < 1287727008 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, wtf < 1287727012 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lossless? < 1287727016 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Yes. < 1287727017 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wth < 1287727017 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No; sprint button = bad. < 1287727042 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1287727043 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: 1080p24 lossless video is ENTIRELY PRACTICAL with x264. < 1287727044 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1287727050 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My good motherfucking God. < 1287727053 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1287727085 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: yeahhhh, anyway, i think this speed is good < 1287727090 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do normal platformers handle the disconnect between being able to accelerate mid-air and NOT being able to accelerate on ice? < 1287727094 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the bitrate/ < 1287727097 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: A compressed image format is bound to be pretty noisy. But do try it out. < 1287727109 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not entirely sure I know what I'm asking) < 1287727109 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: meh < 1287727113 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Currently, 73,000 kbps. < 1287727125 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note: estimate from encode in progress. < 1287727128 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: But this effectively means that if you're on ice, you'll do best by just jumping :P < 1287727140 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: sure, we have to just hope there is a way to meet in the middle with JUST the right amount of compression and JUST the right amount of noise. < 1287727148 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: often your mid-air acceleration is not about as good as ice < 1287727154 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/not// < 1287727155 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, that's a bad thing for streaming < 1287727169 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :73 megabits per second? < 1287727188 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It *could* be done over a LAN. < 1287727192 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I can't seem to work out the math on WebSplat such that that makes sense >_> < 1287727194 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Higher means more bandwidth needed for the same amount of time, right? < 1287727201 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I think the spec might have something in it to avoid large single-color patches, for easier decoding, but not sure. < 1287727204 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1287727235 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: they don't bother to cohere the two, but rather just ensure that you maintain your horizontal acceleration achieved while in air once on the ground < 1287727258 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also disallow midair deceleration, only perfect reflection of velocity < 1287727292 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION 's brain explodes at that one. < 1287727326 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1287727336 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? it's a consistent physics if unrealistic... < 1287727362 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If your brain explodes and one piece goes in one direction, and other piece has another specific mass at another velocity, what is the velocity of the third piece? < 1287727386 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a horizontal velocity when you take off, you have the same horizontal velocity when you land, even if the direction of said velocity has changed < 1287727406 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: E_NEEDMOREDATA < 1287727435 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Yes, of course you do. I was just giving it as an example. < 1287727464 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: for instance, i need to know how to get the pieces back together so that i have the brainpower to compute the answer < 1287727479 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Yes..... < 1287727496 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: and reconnecting severed neurons in the brain is an unsolved problem < 1287727523 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Yes, OK. < 1287727553 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what i'm saying here is that i think you stink, but your mom is OK < 1287727648 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor: actually, i think mario allows proper acceleration mid-air, but the acceleration system is so touchy that it's hard to land moving straight down, so you end up sliding around a bit anyway < 1287727669 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1287727695 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: It is? < 1287727717 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i'm not actually playing just trying to remember how SMW did it < 1287727753 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So essentially, you can accelerate in the opposite direction, but not just decelerate, midair. < 1287727780 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hold on, let me check on that < 1287727784 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION fires up SMW < 1287727791 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: So that is how. < 1287727951 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: yeah, in SMW, acceleration in air works exactly like on land, except that if you stop accelerating in air, you maintain horizontal velocity, whereas on land, you lose it < 1287727960 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got it. < 1287727964 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can do. < 1287727970 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pressing left or right in air *accelerates* in that direction, not instantly reflects like i said < 1287728015 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can NEARLY slow yourself to zero horizontal motion just by being twitchy then? < 1287728018 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just too twitchy? < 1287728052 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: ^^^ < 1287728063 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make a game with talking spider, and talking trees, and the Spanish Inquisition, and music to break phonographs by, and a copy of the game on VHS, inside of the game < 1287728140 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: essentially < 1287728149 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Then try what I just pushed. < 1287728229 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i already did it. you can find the data at the forty-seven-thousandth binary digit of the arithmoquinification of the proof of fermat's last theorem < 1287728305 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: works nice, but one issue < 1287728338 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should show the slider image not just when the user is holding down a key, but any time the actual and desired velocities don't match < 1287728364 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1287728365 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know < 1287728379 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever that means in terms of acceleration < 1287728455 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe not < 1287728462 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, try it, we'll see if we like it < 1287728494 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I don't believe that........ Make a proper game. < 1287728660 0 :Harpyon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Harpyon < 1287728663 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Gregor's thing work in Opera? < 1287728672 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Haven't tested it, feel free to try. < 1287728673 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anything work in opera? < 1287728678 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Sometimes :P < 1287728684 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Errr, which direction slider? X-P < 1287728713 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor: the same one that you would use in the same situation when the button is being held! < 1287728733 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: That looks all backwards to me, like he's about to turn the other way rather than stop ... < 1287728747 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, let me see < 1287728750 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using the down key was not a pleasant experience < 1287728848 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: see if it looks better with gr0 < 1287728867 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, OK, lesse ... < 1287729058 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: the first frame of dying is s'posed to be crouching! people don't crumple that way! < 1287729105 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhhh, the first frame of dying is crouching ... < 1287729105 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, second. First is kneeling. < 1287729150 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you kneel without bending your knees first, hmm? < 1287729304 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION read "crouching" as "crawling" X_X < 1287729307 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I can do that :P < 1287729321 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yeah, having gr0 as slide works, but I think it could be better. < 1287729332 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's better than either turner though. < 1287729338 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'll think about making a special sprite for it < 1287729355 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to envision that position tho < 1287729417 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would probably look a lot like gr0, except with the top half of body bent over < 1287729434 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme go jump off of something and find out < 1287729446 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1287729460 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(another possibility is having him tuck and roll like canabalt/every parkour runner < 1287729462 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, wait, jump off something? For ... sliding? < 1287729463 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1287729520 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, well, okay, possibly there should be two different sprites for landing-slides and stop-running-slides < 1287729529 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would look best < 1287729546 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION deviously plots infinite sprite proliferation < 1287729584 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, when i stop running, my body is in a gr0 position < 1287729607 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i stand up straight as i come to a stop < 1287729631 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: OK, observe what I just pushed. < 1287729662 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when i land, i look like gr0 with the top half bent over like i described, so i'll make that one < 1287729697 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's all this "landing" mumbo-jumbo :P < 1287729756 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, actually, it looks okay like it is. possibly would look slightly better with landing sprite, but if you don't feel like jiggering it in, i won't make it. < 1287729824 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :small issue: when he comes to a stop up against a boundary, he still does the deceleration gr0 for a few hunder ms... < 1287729832 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hundred < 1287729939 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: does your willingness to work on this now equate to being done with your important business you mentioned earlier? < 1287729963 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cuz if so, fuck working on physics tweak and abstract sprites already < 1287730468 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but it also equates to being nearly 2AM. < 1287730513 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, so you are in my time zone! < 1287730518 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereabouts? < 1287730520 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1287730558 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Purdueabouts. < 1287730709 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION remembers < 1287730715 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :west lafayette ain't it? < 1287730724 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup < 1287730730 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that West Lafayette is a place. < 1287730766 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not the "city" to which one should address envelopes send to purdue? < 1287730803 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is :P < 1287730810 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just that your putting "city" in quotes is very apropos. < 1287730909 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1287731467 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Error: Cannot quit < 1287731694 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: http://p.zem.fi/qruine + http://zem.fi/~fis/qruine.png -- I haven't tested decoding it, but as you can see from the first link, encoding that binary data gives an identical PNG file, so it should decode into itself too. < 1287731766 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The qr decoding thing in my phone reads it -- at firefox's maximum zoom level, anyway -- and it does start with "\x89PNG" like it should.) < 1287731928 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it seems to stop there. I hope "qrencode -8" hasn't stopped encoding at the first null byte, actually. < 1287731963 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems more likely, in fact. Meh, what a silly program. < 1287732238 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: sweet! i don't have a QR decoder handy though... < 1287732275 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless said null byte issue makes it not an actual quine < 1287732322 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does look that way; any png file generated by that program seems to behave quine-like. I need a better QR encoder here, something that actually does handle binary data instead of just claiming to. < 1287732341 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZXing? < 1287733115 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This "zint" library in --binary mode says "error: error: Invalid character in input string (only Latin-1 characters supported)" -- that doesn't sound very binary to me. ZXing's encoder API doesn't provide any way to specify the mode (though maybe it would guess correctly), and it's a huge library for just encoding things. < 1287733178 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I could hack qrencode to work; though it seems to pass data around in a C-style string everywhere, so... < 1287733259 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's only five or so functions, then it goes into QRinput_append(input, QR_MODE_8, strlen(string), (unsigned char *)string) -- after that it's hopefully safe. < 1287733514 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there Piet program that outputs png of itself into stdout? :-) < 1287733578 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: GIF, but http://mamememo.blogspot.com/2009/10/piet-quine.html < 1287733586 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks a bit machine-generated. < 1287733597 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The data part, anyway. < 1287733671 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hacked something binary to qrencode, and it actually seems to partially work, except that after a few iterations "Failed to encode the input data:: Invalid argument". < 1287733753 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1287734089 0 :catseye!~Chris@adsl-99-88-108-239.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1287734214 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which argument? < 1287734275 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's just that the image grows too large. (I wrote a simple little fixed-point finder that keeps encoding a PNG, but the problem is that the encoded output is a bigger QR code than the input, and that again generates a larger PNG file, and yet larger code, and so on, until it goes >2k bytes, which is the maximum you can stick in.) < 1287734294 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1287734297 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1287734345 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does png compress better than gif for black/white? < 1287734357 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1287734399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1287734400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1287734431 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bit, for this one file. < 1287734433 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-rw-rw-r-- 1 htkallas htkallas 632 2010-10-22 09:59 qruine-out.gif < 1287734433 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-rw-rw-r-- 1 htkallas htkallas 617 2010-10-22 09:58 qruine-out.png < 1287734453 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently png usually produces smaller files < 1287734476 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you should make sure you've turned off all the special stuff it can provide < 1287734516 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, qrencode generates PNG files directly. But I've ran them through pngcrush with not much changes. < 1287734531 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1287734571 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"solid blocks of color compress best" < 1287734598 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what image are you starting with? < 1287734677 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whaaat. qrencode-generated PNGs are 8-bit indexed-color images. I'm *sure* I checked one out before, and it wasn't. < 1287734781 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I was computing the QR code overhead: to encode a bitstring 290 bytes (2320 bits) long, it needs a black-and-white image of 61*61 pixels (3721 bits, ~465 bytes); then I went to see that corresponding .PNG file, and that was 617 bytes. < 1287734935 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, how to make its output monochromes? < 1287735638 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I guess the "8-bit" just came from "identify"; the bit depth field of IHDR is 1, like it should be. Seems like small black-and-white images aren't really PNG's strong point, though, given that it uses 4936 bits to encode 3721 black-and-white pixels. < 1287735641 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PNG uses DEFLATE < 1287735647 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmkay < 1287735686 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect that it IS using 8-bit pixels < 1287735730 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, png tends to produce better-packed files than gif < 1287735823 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Palettized images at least use 8-bit palette indices even if the palette only has 2 colors in it; I can't find the bit in the spec that'd say grayscale images with bit depth 1 (1, 2, 4, 8, 16 are all listed as allowed) would pack each sample to one byte, but it might at that. < 1287735880 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indexed images also have bit depth, so you can have 8-bit indexed with any palette size < 1287735881 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a DEFLATE quine could be converted into this kind of quine with some effort? < 1287735911 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also 1-, 2- and 4-bit indexed, according to e.g. wikipedia < 1287736074 0 :Punk!Punk@c-76-104-158-217.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1287736090 0 :Punk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone alive in here? < 1287736119 0 :Punk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know anything about the 'order of the ookpik'? it's a secret society one of my family members was in and i can't find any information about it ANYWHERE < 1287736130 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: You can, but it doesn't help: the palette indices in the actual image are still 8 bits, no matter what. < 1287736134 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: "The sample depth is the same as the bit depth except in the case of indexed-colour PNG images (colour type 3), in which the sample depth is always 8 bits (see 4.4: PNG image)." < 1287736156 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, great < 1287736161 0 :Punk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? < 1287736193 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the article i read said it used the same LZW that pkzip uses < 1287736202 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i think != LZ77? < 1287736205 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Or, actually, I guess the sample depth refers to the palette entries, which would make sense. < 1287736224 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LZW != LZ77, correct < 1287736243 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've managed to make a .gif reader and a .gz (DEFLATE) extractor < 1287736252 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i know the algorithms < 1287736289 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, for this particular 61x61 black-and-white image, the PNG is 617 bytes while the corresponding .bmp is 550; a bit rare to see BMP beat PNG in a size comparison. < 1287736302 0 :Punk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL it's SOOO esoteric in here < 1287736304 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: create a file that compresses to itself when using the same compression scheme as PNG < 1287736323 0 :Punk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can anyone refer me to a channel that might be able to help my inquiry? < 1287736329 0 :Punk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm desperate for info here < 1287736331 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it's called droste.zip except it also contains a .jpg in it as well < 1287736336 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Punk: sorry < 1287736358 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd say it'd be hard since it's a *secret* society < 1287736377 0 :Punk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there is a good deal of info on other small societies sprinkled online < 1287736384 0 :Punk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even really tiny ones < 1287736388 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: no we need it to just be itself < 1287736397 0 :Punk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'll stop interrupting you guys < 1287736397 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmkay... < 1287736401 0 :Punk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not trying to be a pain < 1287736415 0 :Punk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if anyone can refer me to a channel that discusses these things i'd be really appreciative < 1287736421 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have no idea < 1287736423 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :honestly < 1287736435 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should probably find out, though; there are seekers for such things every now and then. < 1287736490 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: also, we need to be able to stick *several* introns into it < 1287736503 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by introns? < 1287736512 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric in DALnet has a topic of "Do you belive in faries and nature spirits?", which is... uh, closer? < 1287736525 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, Punk, try that < 1287736529 0 :Punk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do a google search for "order of the ookpik" and there is ONE result. one guy in a forum referencing th eorder i talk of < 1287736538 0 :Punk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TYVM, i appreciate the help < 1287736575 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: places where we can stick arbitrary data, and it will get output in the right place as well. < 1287736621 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, it may be enough to have one intron at the beginning of the data and one at the end < 1287736652 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in other words you want a DEFLATE file which compresses down into itself? < 1287736655 0 :Horrible!Punk@c-76-104-158-217.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1287736668 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1287736672 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in a .gz or something? < 1287736681 0 :Horrible!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Guest19720 < 1287736688 0 :Guest19720!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1287736698 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does PNG really use DEFLATE? < 1287736703 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1287736704 0 :Punk!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1287736714 0 :Punk!Punk@c-76-104-158-217.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1287736720 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.steike.com/code/useless/zip-file-quine/ is such a thing then < 1287736722 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PNG does do DEFLATE, but it also does all kinds of filters and rearrangements. < 1287736729 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i've seen a version of this that allows introns too < 1287736739 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a bigger problem is the (I think reasonably complicated) QR code encoding+error-correction scheme. < 1287736744 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, away for now. < 1287736745 0 :Punk!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1287736751 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1287736760 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think Punk can't figure out how to connect to dalnet... < 1287736761 0 :Punk!Punk@c-76-104-158-217.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1287736777 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Punk: having trouble getting to DALnet? < 1287736777 0 :Punk!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1287736796 0 :Punk!Punk@c-76-104-158-217.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1287736806 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the QR encoding's overhead should give you some kind of bound on how well the resulting image must compress with deflate < 1287736816 0 :Punk!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1287736873 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a lot of overhead < 1287736886 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we may require the largest QRcode possible < 1287737059 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah also: http://research.swtch.com/2010/03/zip-files-all-way-down.html < 1287737092 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i think that's the one that explains where introns go < 1287738104 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1287738133 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also duncan's post here: http://research.swtch.com/2010/03/zip-files-all-way-down.html#comment-8411293207450220669 < 1287738154 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be interesting making a .zip which produces a .zip which produces its parent < 1287738296 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, actually, r.zip uses a "stored" block to begin with < 1287738358 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and then another "stored" block < 1287738376 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then a static huffman block < 1287738413 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then another stored block < 1287738425 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and another < 1287738459 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back to static huffman < 1287738489 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then stored again < 1287738502 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then static huffman, part 2 < 1287738506 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1287738507 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :part 3 < 1287738540 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then stored, then static huffman, then some empty stored blocks < 1287738552 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 to be precise < 1287738559 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then dynamic huffman < 1287738633 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after that it seems there's another stored block < 1287738655 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait no it's not dynamic huffman it's just another stored block < 1287738665 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1287738673 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then static huffman < 1287738701 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's quite a long static huffman one actually < 1287738746 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1287738767 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i think i've missed a block somewhere < 1287738782 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait no it ends in a 6-byte stored block or something < 1287738788 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that is definitely what it is < 1287738883 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The QR code error correction might help a bit, too: you can freely mangle about 7% of the data-carrying bits of the image (at the lowest allowed error correction level == smallest overhead) without affecting the output bytes, so you could use that to make the bitmap more compressible. I don't have time to fiddle with this right now, though. < 1287740160 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1287742154 0 :Zuu!zuu@0x55529f1b.adsl.cybercity.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1287742154 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1287742154 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1287743766 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1287744406 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first snow this year already < 1287745209 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't have any in January? < 1287746088 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, err, this season then < 1287746152 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :none over here in the UK yet, but I wouldn't expect it as early as October < 1287746182 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I wouldn't expect it this early here either < 1287746192 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway, it seems to be melting now during the day. < 1287746205 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but when I woke up this morning it was quite a bit of it < 1287746207 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was* < 1287746452 0 :Wamanuz2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1287746477 0 :Wamanuz2!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1287746581 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1287746723 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was -4 degrees Celsius here this morning, and I think there was a little bit of something snow-like one day, but nothing that would have actually stayed on the ground. < 1287747129 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it is still on the ground here, but going fast < 1287749466 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1287750135 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1287750157 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1287750546 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1287754376 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1287755654 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1287755715 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:57:32 Ew. There's a GNU Netcat. < 1287755716 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it... no < 1287755720 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:00:31 Well, but, if it works, it works -- whatever netcat comes with Cygwin doesn't. < 1287755722 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try the H's < 1287755762 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1287756751 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1287756813 0 :catseye!~Chris@adsl-99-94-155-2.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1287756900 0 :storkbot!~storkbot@adsl-99-94-155-2.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1287757063 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-15-167.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1287757078 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: say hello to storkbot. e's running on Windows Vista, simply because that is so totally advisable, using a tiny netcat-alike I hacked together in Python, because cygwin's nc doesn't do -e properly. < 1287757126 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5.1G. < 1287757149 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 18:00:31 Well, but, if it works, it works -- whatever netcat comes with Cygwin doesn't. < 1287757149 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : try the H's < 1287757152 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, 5.0G < 1287757154 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what's that? < 1287757163 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Elephant's Dream, 1080p24, lossless. < 1287757170 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Just... 5 gigs? < 1287757174 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it is hobbit netcat -- it looks like something about buffering on cygwin is off < 1287757179 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At 65,473 kbps. < 1287757183 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But the small one was, you know. < 1287757185 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bigger than that! < 1287757194 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(63 megabits per second) < 1287757195 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: everything about cygwin is off, it's awful < 1287757203 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yup :) < 1287757206 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: I think *H*'s has native Windows support. < 1287757214 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :H != hobbit ? < 1287757215 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The 480p one is 1.1G. < 1287757221 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1287757223 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: *H* = hobbit < 1287757228 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1287757230 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1287757232 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually H* < 1287757234 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or _H* i guess < 1287757237 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"_H* 960320 v1.10 RELEASE -- happy spring!" < 1287757243 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: http://nc110.sourceforge.net/ is the archive of it < 1287757252 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worth trying that tarball with a native compiler perhaps < 1287757256 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks. well, need to be off to work, will continue l8r < 1287757261 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: lol americans < 1287757265 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and their timezones < 1287757268 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nc-dos: < 1287757268 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : @echo "DOS?! Maybe someday, but not now" < 1287757280 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: maybe not :D < 1287757287 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnu netcat is awful btw < 1287757298 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: http://www.hackosis.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/nc111nt.zip < 1287757299 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compression ratio of 15% for the 480p one, 24% for the 1080p one. < 1287757301 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: http://joncraton.org/files/nc111nt.zip < 1287757307 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is, frankly, *absurd* compression. < 1287757308 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: hobbit netcat 1.10 for winnt < 1287757320 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, sorry, unfair comparision. < 1287757324 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: so if it was a feature film < 1287757327 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see < 1287757333 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elephant's dream is 10 min 54 sec i.e. 11 minutes < 1287757341 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was raw vs. compressed against PNG vs. compressed. < 1287757341 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long's a feature film these days pikhq? 120 minutes? < 1287757346 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's say 120 minutes or so < 1287757372 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. < 1287757387 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: so a 1080p feature-length film at 24fps would be about 55 GiB. < 1287757389 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's, uh < 1287757391 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty good. < 1287757409 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it, well, it wouldn't fit on a dual-layer blu-ray though < 1287757416 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(only 50 GB... or GiB? Who knows?) < 1287757421 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Wikipedia is unclear.) < 1287757422 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, compression ratio of about 11%, actually. < 1287757429 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[The BDXL format supports 100GB and 128GB write-once discs[70][71] and 100GB rewritable discs for commercial applications. It was defined in June 2010. < 1287757429 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BD-R 3.0 Format Specification (BDXL) defined a multi-layered recordable in BDAV format with the speed of 2X and 4X, capable of 100/128GB and usage of UDF2.5/2.6.[72] < 1287757429 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BD-RE 4.0 Format Specification (BDXL) defined a multi-layered rewritable in BDAV with the speed of 2X and 4X, capable of 100GB and usage of UDF2.5 as file system.[73]]] < 1287757437 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that... that would work. < 1287757453 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: now what i'm waitin' for < 1287757454 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_Versatile_Disc < 1287757455 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: (5 gigs from 46 gigs) < 1287757457 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 TB < 1287757491 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: are you with me or what < 1287757494 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: problem is, < 1287757501 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: rather than perfect encoding, higher resolution helps more < 1287757503 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also masks encoding errors < 1287757507 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we won't see lossless discs < 1287757511 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just lossy discs with insane resolution < 1287757516 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So sad. < 1287757516 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that yields pixel density < 1287757521 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: well not really < 1287757533 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: a 4K lossy film will look way better than a 1080p lossless film < 1287757537 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though the compression ratio appears to improve as the resolution goes up. < 1287757538 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the lossy compression is good < 1287757543 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah < 1287757551 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since one little bit of space tends not to be very detailed :P < 1287757563 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Problem: compression tends to suck ass. Morons do Blu-ray and DVD encodes. < 1287757571 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait fuck 4K < 1287757573 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra_High_Definition_Television < 1287757589 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah well :P < 1287757593 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: but seriously: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_Versatile_Disc < 1287757596 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want this disc. < 1287757599 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1287757633 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What's impressive is that you could stick this *lossless* 1080p24 on a DVD. < 1287757646 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yes, all ten minutes of it :P < 1287757651 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but still. < 1287757652 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: hmm < 1287757657 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what about non-disc media? < 1287757660 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is *far* better than I thought it would do. < 1287757668 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: how small can external hard drives get :D < 1287757728 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, my computer can't play this back in real-time. < 1287757752 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the HVD is impressive in terms of physical compression of data < 1287757771 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: huh? < 1287757774 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it has less decompressing to do! < 1287757779 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly your... < 1287757781 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your disk :P < 1287757793 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, we don't actually have a 6TB one in manufacturing yet < 1287757803 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it turns out making 6TB discs isn't exactly easy < 1287757826 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can do the 480p one just fine, though. < 1287757873 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Care to give me the 480p one? < 1287757881 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I guess it might take too long. < 1287757902 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'VE NEVER SEEN ELEPHANTS DREAM LOL < 1287757903 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I've got to leave for class soon; I need to get ready. Sooo... Can you wait a few hours? < 1287757903 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that i want to < 1287757909 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Sure. < 1287757914 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It may be worth doing it overnight. :P < 1287757925 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Or... just give me the command-line flags and a link to their source files. < 1287757929 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be faster. < 1287757953 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: Elephant's Dream, 1080p24, lossless. < 1287757955 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Elephants btw < 1287757973 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://media.xiph.org/video/derf/y4m/elephants_dream_480p24.y4m.xz , mencoder elephants_dream_480p24.y4m -ovc x264 -x264encopts qp=0:preset=slow -o elephants_dream_480p24.avi < 1287757984 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FLACs for the audio available from http://media.xiph.org/video/derf/flac/ED/ < 1287757998 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: that's it? < 1287758003 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, surely the preset shouldn't matter, if it's lossless? < 1287758013 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: got bittorrent links? < 1287758018 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1287758036 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The preset also governs how well it compresses. < 1287758053 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You get higher compression ratio with slower presets when doing lossless encode. < 1287758058 0 :cpressey!~cpressey@12.116.117.150 JOIN :#esoteric < 1287758097 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Ah. < 1287758102 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: How long does this take? :P < 1287758118 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe half an hour after you've got the source files. < 1287758126 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, no, faster than that... < 1287758134 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recall encoding in real-time, actually. < 1287758148 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Any convenient bittorrent links? < 1287758151 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope! < 1287758190 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://orange.blender.org/blog/first-european-hd-dvd-released-and-its-elephants-dream/ ho ho ho < 1287758196 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: but wikipedia said they did torrentzzzz < 1287758199 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1287758253 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://media.xiph.org/video/derf/y4m/elephants_dream_480p24.y4m.xz , mencoder elephants_dream_480p24.y4m -ovc x264 -x264encopts qp=0:preset=slow -o elephants_dream_480p24.avi < 1287758254 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: avi :| < 1287758265 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can remux it afterwards. < 1287758266 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :H.265 in avi < 1287758268 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are an awful person < 1287758274 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: can't you just output it to mkv? < 1287758284 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unsupported. < 1287758297 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: fffffffff < 1287758304 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in it doesn't work or they like to pretend it doesn't? < 1287758315 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It often breaks. < 1287758329 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0% [ ] 5,844,530 840K/s eta 42m 52s < 1287758331 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blearh < 1287758344 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://media.xiph.org/video/derf/flac/ED/ which of these do i want? < 1287758346 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of them? < 1287758372 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The stereo one, probably. < 1287758373 0 :cheater_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see FLACs < 1287758378 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: so, L and R? < 1287758380 0 :cheater_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are they FLACs of pikhq? < 1287758380 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or LS and RS? < 1287758382 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S for stereo? < 1287758391 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, the stereo one. It's "stereo" for stereo. < 1287758401 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, "St". < 1287758405 0 :cheater_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you want the "St" one < 1287758413 0 :cheater_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or L, R, and C mixed to left and right < 1287758423 0 :cheater_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(since Center usually contains the dialogue) < 1287758441 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Ohh. < 1287758444 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm silly. < 1287758448 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :last thing i saw last night was Sgeo asking whether V8 was any good... i didn't have the opportunity to explain how it is linked to the Last Supper < 1287758451 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: OK, easy way to mix that in? Just give it to mencoder? < 1287758453 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Or you could wait until I'm willing to post a torrent so you could have a single 5.1 FLAC. < 1287758463 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That would be nice :P < 1287758470 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: approve < 1287758471 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: -audiofile the_file_here < 1287758475 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: thanks < 1287758492 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: BTW, most video players *won't* automatically mix that down to stereo audio. < 1287758502 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will mplayer? < 1287758507 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1287758716 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would just like to say that http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_ICcz6kXP0. < 1287758727 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: even if you tell it to? like as an option < 1287759027 0 :Harpyon!~Harpyon@ti0031a380-0423.bb.online.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1287759073 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ha! < 1287759080 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: NAND flash is accelerating faster than Moore's law < 1287759088 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Due to its relatively simple structure and high demand for higher capacity, NAND flash memory is the most aggressively scaled technology among electronic devices. The heavy competition among the top few manufacturers only adds to the aggressiveness. Current projections show the technology to reach approximately 20 nm by around late 2011. While the expected shrink timeline is a factor of two every three years per original version of Moore's law, < 1287759088 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this has recently been accelerated in the case of NAND flash to a factor of two every two years." < 1287759092 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The aggressive trend of process design rule shrinks in NAND Flash memory technology effectively accelerates Moore's Law." < 1287759099 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NAND_scaling_timeline.png < 1287759170 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a real law anyway, OK to accelerate it < 1287759190 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1287759419 0 :cheater_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what are those FLACs? < 1287759426 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: it's still cool < 1287759434 0 :cheater_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: nice: http://www.ambiosonics.de/session26/STE001A.mp3 < 1287759507 0 :cheater_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ambiosonics.de/session26/STE001B.mp3 < 1287759597 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ed, I know I've only been around now and again - the family and work come first! - but I have the real inside scoop on an atheist meeting in the UK. Some really big names, some really shocking talks." -- Conservapedia < 1287759603 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG THEY FOUND OUR COVEN < 1287759711 0 :cheater_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it's OK to answer my question < 1287760443 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: "In our HTML version of last week's SNCJ, we noted that Iowa had ended their fiscal year with a $755 budget surplus. This was supposed to say $755 million. We regret the error." < 1287760556 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You can use "-af hrtf" to do a headphone-optimized multichannel-to-stereo with spatiality; or you can use "-af pan=[suitable options]" to manually mix the channels however you wish. (I think the default routing indeed is just to truncate the 'extra' channels.) < 1287760586 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Can you just do "mix everything on the left side to left, everything on the right to right, and centre at 50% volume in both channels"? < 1287760593 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, plus some scaling for typical distances to those speakers. < 1287760680 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1287760686 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Manually with pan, sure; I'm not sure if there's a default for that. < 1287760696 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or I could just use the stereo file. :P < 1287760713 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The hrtf trick is nice for headphones, though. < 1287760772 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, that uncompressed 3D animation is some schweet-looking shit. < 1287760786 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must be amazing in 1080p. < 1287760817 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of the codecs might also do more or less sensible downmixing; the -channels N option says "In that case [of AC-3 multichannel stuff] liba52 does the decoding by default and correctly downmixes the audio into the requested number of channels." < 1287760847 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably flac-decoding won't do anything clever. < 1287760894 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1287760975 0 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1287761298 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"“Not Privileged”…God is a GEOCENTRIC Creator, because He is at the < 1287761298 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :‘center of all things’, including His universe, and whilst He is also the < 1287761298 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WORD, His written Word (Holy Scripture) is therefore GEOCENTRIC as < 1287761298 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, being the ‘center of all truth’ written, and if we (The Earth) are < 1287761298 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Lord’s “footstool”, then it is logical for the Earth to be < 1287761299 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GECENTRICIALLY located at the ‘center of the universe’ beneath His < 1287761301 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Throne." < 1287761303 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it, uh, goes on. < 1287761439 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think PulseAudio will mix things down for you automagically, though. (At least if I mplayer a 5.1 FLAC file, I get six per-app volume control sliders, and output to a two-channel sink. (But I couldn't begin to guess how well it does that, and whether it just discards channels.) < 1287761448 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yeah, uh, PulseAudio. < 1287761452 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sort of removed that. < 1287761459 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After HRRRRRRRNG < 1287761461 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, you did that already. Never mind, then. < 1287761473 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It's a peaceful life now, without graphical volume controls as it is. < 1287761511 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're missing out on Ubuntu 10.10.10.10.10's "control your music player via the volume control" thing. (Not that I've even seen it, but it was advertised as a hot new feature.) < 1287761545 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yeah, I ... don't use Rhythmbox. < 1287761571 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I saw that; you were using your Spherecubes or whatevers. < 1287761597 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spherecube xD < 1287761605 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Currently I'm... "between music players". < 1287761639 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's good to take a break; it wouldn't be fair to the next one if it were just a rebound music player. < 1287761699 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: My last music player cheated on me with another guy. I'm a monogamous software user; I refuse to use any program unless I'm the only user. < 1287761711 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :88.2 kHz, huh. I wasn't aware people actually use that. < 1287761727 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That... what. < 1287761734 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq will now yell at whoever did that. < 1287761776 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Personally, I hear a huge difference when tracking at higher sample rates like 96kHz, and the detail is stunning, but once you convert to 44.1kHz (CD quality) the detail you had captured disappears." -- ah, quack audiophiles. < 1287761781 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.linnrecords.com/linn-downloads-testfiles.aspx -- the first place I found a 5.1 FLAC sample from. < 1287761822 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "*Please note: Currently no 5.1 files are available for download." < 1287761822 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut? < 1287761830 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :downloads for me! < 1287761832 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh they mean < 1287761835 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're not sellin' any < 1287761836 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1287761838 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it means "files other than this sample here", yes. < 1287761851 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bleep.com/ switched from FLAC to WAV a while ago and this saddens me. < 1287761945 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also a 192 kHz stereo sample, but that's not surprising; I just thought the whole 11.025/22.05/44.1 sequence stopped there, and everyone going higher went 48/96/192, not to 88.2 (and presumably to 176.4 kHz next). < 1287761971 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently people do 88.2 so that downconversion to 44.1 is easier < 1287761975 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol hysterical raisins. < 1287762096 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FLAC "supports linear sample rates from 1Hz - 655350Hz in 1Hz increments" -- isn't that a bit strange limit too? I could sort-of see 10 Hz .. 65535 Hz with a two-byte field or something, but they explicitly say it's a 1 Hz increment. < 1287762115 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Maybe there's, like, overhead in each little... sample bit. < 1287762127 0 :Harpyon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Harpyon < 1287762127 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that going any higher would mean there's no room and you'd have to split it across two thingies? < 1287762128 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1287762258 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It really is 1Hz-655350Hz in 1Hz increments. < 1287762261 0 :Harpyon!~Harpyon@ti0031a380-0423.bb.online.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1287762272 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1287762274 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm saying that: < 1287762296 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps 655351 would push some sort of periodic header over a limit causing it to be split and... I really don't know. < 1287762298 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing wildly! < 1287762350 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun things to do: Read "learn English" forums. < 1287762351 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Am I on the right track? Are you a train? < 1287762352 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, another idiom! Yes you are!]] < 1287762377 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1287762434 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The field itself would go to 1048575Hz, but apparently other things break if it would be larger than 655350Hz. < 1287763124 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Scotland is a prime example of what happens in societies which adopt the anti Biblical atheistic philosophy of evolution." < 1287763326 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with scotland? < 1287763370 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing at all, that's why it's so amusing. < 1287763378 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Picking on Scotland as a prime example of society's depravity. < 1287763533 0 :antivigilante!~antivigil@174-26-66-221.phnx.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1287763562 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :total 9.1G < 1287763562 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-rw-r--r-- 1 elliott elliott 7.5G 2010-10-22 16:05 elephants_dream_480p24.y4m < 1287763562 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-rw-r--r-- 1 elliott elliott 1.6G 2010-02-07 19:17 elephants_dream_480p24.y4m.xz < 1287763563 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yikes. < 1287764866 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ mencoder elephants_dream_480p24.y4m -audiofile ED-CM-St-16bit.flac -of lavf -ovc x264 -x264encopts qp=0:preset=slow -o elephants_dream_480p24.mkv < 1287764871 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops, I need -oac copy. < 1287764886 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Audio format 0x43614c66 is incompatible with '-oac copy', please try '-oac pcm' instead or use '-fafmttag' to override it. < 1287764886 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1287765136 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just creates a pure video to remux later < 1287765137 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in avi < 1287766178 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a sudden urge to write iterators which yield further iterators in an unbounded sequence and then iterate them in some general recursive way hey Phantom_Hoover hasn't been here much recently has he oh well time for more coffee I guess < 1287766457 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1287766490 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: what... time is it < 1287766518 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Umm, Saddest Turtle, I think I'm goingt o hang out with your cousin instead of you today. Also, all days." --Buttersafe < 1287766522 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*going to < 1287766597 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: HAMMER TIME! < 1287766605 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: no but the time < 1287766618 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, almost 11AM here. < 1287766627 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i prescribe coffee < 1287766632 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or pure caffeine < 1287766680 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the recursive iterator thing isn't actually that interesting < 1287766702 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except maybe if the language implementation breaks in interesting ways if you stress it < 1287766724 0 :antivigilante!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1287766997 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Video stream: 14317.289 kbit/s < 1287766998 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT BAD < 1287767103 0 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.rh.rit.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1287767183 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahoy. < 1287767239 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :MYCROFTIV < 1287767728 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MYCROFTIV SURE IS SHOUTING < 1287767735 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar sure is of autumn (did i remember your name right) < 1287767750 0 :MYCROFTIV!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IVE BEEN TOLD ITS INTERNATIONAL CAPS LOCK DAY < 1287767752 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You sure did. < 1287767771 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MYCROFTIV: ARE YOU STILL A PLAN 9 WEENIE < 1287767774 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(IN CAPITALS) < 1287767780 0 :MYCROFTIV!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO FOR TODAY WRITE ALL CODE IN OLD FORTRAN AND 80S BASIC - AND YES I AM < 1287767792 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MYCROFTIV: PROTIP IF YOU HOLD DOWN SHIFT you can type normally. < 1287767797 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MYCROFTIV: It's not Billy Mays Day. < 1287767824 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BILLY MAYS DAY WAS MERGED WITH COCAINE DAY RECENTLY < 1287767847 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, no, you're right, caps lock day it is. < 1287767896 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY IS THERE TWO INTERNATIONAL CAPSLOCK DAYS < 1287768007 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know if FLAC has an AVI audio format tag? >_> < 1287768220 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea. What are you trying to do? < 1287768227 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What pikhq did. < 1287768229 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1287768239 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: We're playing around with lossless HD video. < 1287768612 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1287768619 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1287768829 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH GREAT < 1287768941 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1287769414 0 :webquint!8fd76d1f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.143.215.109.31 JOIN :#esoteric < 1287769441 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAY FOR DAYS < 1287769446 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: wat < 1287769458 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INTERNATIONAL DAYS OF THINSG < 1287769462 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*THINGS < 1287769482 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALSO YAY FOR AWARENESS MONTHS < 1287769494 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEY ALLOW ME TO BE AWARE OF TWELVE THINGS A YEAR < 1287769539 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1287769743 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: BUT THE MONTHS ARE MULTIPURPOSE!!!! :D < 1287769756 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so, who're you doing? < 1287769761 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :webquint: i, encoding. < 1287769765 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, Encoder < 1287769889 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1287769923 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1287769972 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice, colordiff seems to come with cdiff now < 1287769981 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it has for a while and i never noticed < 1287770224 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay my battery broke < 1287770291 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, hm cdiff seems cool. Always loved colordiff of course < 1287770329 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: THINKPAD ENGINEERING < 1287770337 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I mean actually yay < 1287770342 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get a new free battery with full life < 1287770345 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1287770348 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: ...this is what's wrong with everything < 1287770354 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, broke in what way? mechanical? < 1287770362 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: probably the controller broke < 1287770379 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case, it doesn't charge/discharge, though it reports that it has 67% charge < 1287770382 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION facepalms < 1287770388 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, be glad it isn't a mac, then you would have to send it in to get the battery replaced < 1287770389 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Apple is deprecating its support for Java on Mac OS X" < 1287770390 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hee hee < 1287770420 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :double awesome: the tech shop on campus is a Lenovo shop too < 1287770430 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wait, apple supports java? As opposed to sun or more recently oracle? < 1287770474 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: dollars to donuts it has to do with the mac store < 1287770526 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, is this some new thing separate from the normal apple retail stores? < 1287770572 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, it's an app store, except for mac < 1287770685 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, ouch < 1287770724 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I smell that Java apps may not be permitted on it < 1287770782 0 :Harpyon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: SCREW YOU ALL < 1287770819 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is both the worst and the best thing to come to desktop computing) < 1287770831 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and also about time) < 1287770837 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, how so? < 1287770891 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, what makes you say "the best thing" < 1287770898 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worst I can easily see yes < 1287770903 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Because package management for Linux has existed for a long time and it's awesome. It's logical to commercialize it with the OS (it's already been done externally, e.g. Steam). Unfortunately, standard "fucking Apple and their control" applies < 1287770976 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, hm, it does dependency stuff and such? < 1287771017 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG: arin|US|ipv4|50.128.0.0|8388608|20101021|allocated < 1287771019 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, my experience of closed source is that even for linux such tends to bundle about every library that it can rather than using those already installed on the system. Exception would be libc < 1287771031 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1287771060 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, why OMG at that allocation? < 1287771086 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also where is the netmask < 1287771136 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I would butVorwn. I ipackasne sul he librarie yone cciple is always good Alse rprising,do and AAPL and one of them is retarded. < 1287771145 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/9 (!) < 1287771169 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://farm1.static.flickr.com/36/114732870_bab0bdae2c_b.jpg < 1287771171 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And look at the date... < 1287771172 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, err? "I would [007F][007F][007F]butVorwn" < 1287771173 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1287771187 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: I would butVorwn. I ipackasne sul he librarie yone cciple is always good Alse rprising,do and AAPL and one of them is retarded. < 1287771188 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i... yes < 1287771206 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So /9 allocated yesterday... < 1287771219 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right I see. some sort of drop-letters encoding < 1287771227 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't have time to decrypt it right now, food is ready < 1287771248 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: /9?? < 1287771251 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: how big is that ?! < 1287771258 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8Mi addresses. < 1287771260 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? ?! ?! ! ?! ?!!!! ?!? ? ? ! < 1287771270 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: that's... that's big, why are we allocating that much < 1287771297 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea... < 1287771302 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1287771304 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1287771369 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1287771386 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This IPv4 depletion tool says that ARIN would request and get 2 /8s from IANA at any time. < 1287771499 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I apologize, my computer crashed < 1287771511 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's good because it was going to happen, and thus it is better sooner than later < 1287771521 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is a surprise. Don't know if it takes that almost-/8s released back into account... < 1287771532 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, oh heh < 1287771535 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it almost certainly won't do dependencies, because all the applications on there will probably depend only on system libraries < 1287771542 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, why was it going to crash? < 1287771585 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: seriously, think about it. We've seen commercial platforms before, like Steam. Integrating them into the OS is the next logical step, and MSFT is retarded, leaving it to AAPL, the only other significant commercial operating system company. < 1287771598 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, my computer did crash < 1287771613 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not, as 45/8 completely marked as assigned. < 1287771659 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, running what OS? < 1287771668 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: linux < 1287771680 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was the wireless driver running out of memory that did it < 1287771686 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, huh, never seen linux crash in any way leading to "butVorwn. I ipackasne sul he librarie yone cciple is always good Alse rprising,do and AAPL and one of them is retarded." < 1287771693 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: OOM < 1287771698 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of broke the input stream < 1287771700 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worst case scenario would be the "run on the bank" scenario. Would result quick exhaustion of IANA pool. < 1287771715 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then the wireless driver (based on what flashed on my screen before it died) probably failed < 1287771787 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, hm okay. still seems like an implausible result. "not sending a garbled string" seems a more likely outcome. Or just sending completely random data. That line still looked like words and so on, just not actually existing words < 1287771795 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1287771810 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I assure you I attempted to type something and that the result was a subset of what I attempted to type < 1287771817 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the enter key made it too < 1287771821 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, ah, that makes some sense < 1287771837 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, out of order or just dropped chars? < 1287771843 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: dropped chars < 1287772003 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone who is familar with WHOIS could look up who grabbed that /9... < 1287772040 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what linux needs (because dropping overcommitting of memory is going to break too many things that depends on it) is some sort of memory reservations for critical programs. Like if syslog is pid X you could say "pid X must be able to allocate up to Y MB, swapping to do so is okay". This differs from mlock() since that would forbid swapping as well < 1287772078 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, comcast < 1287772081 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems < 1287772108 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did I feel it was some large ISP... < 1287772110 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, anyway just "whois 50.128.0.0/9" in the terminal worked. < 1287772118 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it did complain a bit: < 1287772120 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Query terms are ambiguous. The query is assumed to be: < 1287772120 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# "n 50.128.0.0" < 1287772131 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which was indeed the correct interpretation) < 1287772315 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, what were you doing that caused the OOM btw? < 1287772343 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:53:21 What's V8 like? < 1287772344 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VP8. < 1287772420 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:55:14 ...Lossless encode from 48GB to 6GB? < 1287772421 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:58:14 What's the bitrate/ < 1287772421 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:58:33 Sgeo: Currently, 73,000 kbps. < 1287772421 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:59:15 Wait, that's a bad thing for streaming < 1287772433 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I don't just want reasonably-sized lossless 1080p encodes; I want to watch them on YouTube!" < 1287772438 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:59:54 Higher means more bandwidth needed for the same amount of time, right? < 1287772439 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1287772500 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I MAKE FRACTALZ < 1287772510 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*u* < 1287772543 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:21:34 quintopia: I don't believe that........ Make a proper game. < 1287772544 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ELSE < 1287772640 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEN < 1287772642 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IF < 1287772675 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I THINK THAT CREATORS OF BASH HAVE TOO MUCH SENSE OF HUMOUR < 1287772681 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CASE ... ESAC < 1287772689 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuu < 1287772760 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION kills nooga < 1287772833 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOR WHAT? < 1287772851 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esac! < 1287772858 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGG SACK < 1287772885 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CASE ... MUTORCS < 1287772885 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that 8M block isn't the only one this week... There seems to be at least 2.5M of other allocations, pushing allocations from ARIN this week to over 10M addresses... < 1287772969 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HUNLOP < 1287773311 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: so are they trying to use up ipv6 as quickly as they did ipv4? < 1287773314 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: FI FI, THAT'S NOT SO OD < 1287773391 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The IPv6 IANA pool is at 99%... That's going to take a while. Dunno how long the IPv4 pool lasts... < 1287773490 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DO .. DONE < 1287773504 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHERE'S THE LOGIC? < 1287773595 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah it is like that isn't it < 1287773644 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it inherited esac and fi from sh, i'm pretty sure < 1287773663 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i know I've seen do ... od *somewhere* < 1287773675 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, that *somewhere* might be Draco < 1287773745 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I have gone back and forth on this, but I have decided that at present, I cannot handle Ruby. < 1287773754 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: What tipped you over the edge? < 1287773805 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1287773808 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Ehh... two things, sort of: contemplating writing my netcat replacement in it and looking at its libraries; and, uh, that what it calls "metaprogramming". < 1287773823 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But also everything else about it. < 1287773826 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Its networking libraries are actually really nice, compared to Python. < 1287773834 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its other libraries are... actually they're good, but the documentation is lacking. < 1287773837 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Severely lacking. < 1287773854 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could not figure out how to change or set the buffering on the IO object. Which has Ruby-level and system-level buffering. < 1287773858 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: The metaprogramming... ok, yes, you can do any damn thing you want to a class at any point. BUT SANE PEOPLE HATE YOU DOING THIS < 1287773861 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's just one method < 1287773863 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks it up < 1287773866 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/the IO/an IO/ < 1287773868 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(while since I Rubied) < 1287773907 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seemed to be that you are not a "real" Ruby programmer until you have metaprogrammed BECAUSE IT IS POWER POOOOOWWWWEEEEEERRRRRRRRR well ok < 1287773915 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Actually no. < 1287773922 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just getting that impression from some jerkass, probably < 1287773929 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION digs up that old post < 1287773931 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: you talked to someone? < 1287773935 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg you totally didn't listen to me < 1287773939 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :listen < 1287773939 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, someone's site or blog or something < 1287773941 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :carefully < 1287773944 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1287773945 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: western rubyists < 1287773947 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deserve to die < 1287773949 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every single one of them < 1287773951 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that part < 1287773956 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from... people in here :P < 1287773964 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok yes. < 1287773965 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's a western rubyist? < 1287773969 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was one of these people i suppose. < 1287773974 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like fanboys < 1287773975 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: non-japanese rubyists. < 1287774019 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: sec < 1287774023 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, even aside from those two points... it's just... really gnarly tangly and turns me off, AT PRESENT. Tomorrow, I may like it again. < 1287774031 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that say "YEAH I CAN CODE *RUBY*, I DID SEVERAL RAILS 2.X APPS, I'M SO RAD, GTFO WITH YOUR COMPUTER SCIENCE" < 1287774036 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: http://sprunge.us/afWK < 1287774038 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I THINK THAT CREATORS OF BASH HAVE TOO MUCH SENSE OF HUMOUR <-- fi you say so :P < 1287774046 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: here is what sane people think about metaprogramming (zed shaw is no longer sane, but that's irrelevant) < 1287774049 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well < 1287774052 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the abuse of ruby metaprogramming < 1287774052 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND THEY STATE THAT THEY EARN SHITLOADS OF $ < 1287774058 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rafb links don't work but < 1287774067 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: the first one basically opened a class in the standard ruby logger < 1287774070 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yanked out all formatting < 1287774076 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :replacing it with a message that ignored all custom formatting < 1287774079 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just printed out the message < 1287774105 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: that's from ruby-talk < 1287774111 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What's wrong with you people?" < 1287774113 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is now terrible) < 1287774127 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: to be honest... using ruby was awesome as fuck in 2005. < 1287774133 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody had raped the metaprogramming to death yet < 1287774137 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that one question explains a hell of a lot about most software and languages < 1287774139 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DHH was just some asswipe with some upstart new web framework < 1287774141 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not explains, but < 1287774141 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's wait for monkey patching in 2.0 < 1287774145 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the lucky stiff was at full steam < 1287774149 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and made everything wonderful < 1287774155 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and everyone still abided by Matz Is Nice So We Are Nice < 1287774159 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_why <3 < 1287774173 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why <3 :( missed < 1287774196 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: now, using ruby is probably awesome if you're in japan. and speak japanese. < 1287774205 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ignore everyone outside the country when it comes to ruby < 1287774213 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1287774218 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: as far as i can tell the communities are basically entirely split < 1287774224 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :between the native ruby community and "everyone else" < 1287774224 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1287774228 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the latter has been infected by douchebags < 1287774229 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you are in japan and speak japanese, you missed out on perl, i bet < 1287774235 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is now the butt of just about any joke. < 1287774239 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ruby is your perl and that's kind of cool < 1287774247 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: ruby is definitely a nicer perl than perl is < 1287774253 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: agreed < 1287774254 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1287774255 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ugh about "http://sprunge.us/afWK", does "re-opening a class" mean what I think? < 1287774255 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed < 1287774258 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl - some of the most heinous insanity + smalltalk object system! < 1287774267 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so: yeargh! < 1287774279 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Larry Wall is so cool < 1287774301 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: i dunno, i'm not down with the let's-invent-a-language-so-that-we-can-give-this-native-culture-CHRISTIANITY! shit < 1287774303 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to GvR < 1287774307 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh agreed < 1287774310 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but personally :P < 1287774313 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1287774318 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(matz is a mormon missionary! ...but i don't think they invent languages to translate the bible into, generally) < 1287774320 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well was < 1287774335 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: seriously what language do people use? < 1287774343 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like if they're not using haskell, or python, or ruby, or perl < 1287774348 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they want a scripting language i.e. not C < 1287774350 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would seem appropriate somehow if guido was one of those obnoxious atheist types < 1287774350 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they're sane < 1287774351 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT DO THEY DO < 1287774356 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: he is! < 1287774359 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not hideously obnoxious < 1287774361 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he is an atheist < 1287774361 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh goody < 1287774369 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm an obnoxious atheist type! well sort of. < 1287774375 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They script with PHP, of course. < 1287774380 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D < 1287774383 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just don't talk to religious people usually :P < 1287774387 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: WHAT DO THEY DO? they use one of those you listed. < 1287774391 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: which < 1287774392 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHICH < 1287774396 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP IS THE WORST LANGUAGE EVER. PERIOD < 1287774409 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: THEY DO NOT DISTINGUISH < 1287774411 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well no < 1287774415 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: immediately came up with an argument but... it had a placeholder for [language worse than PHP] and... < 1287774417 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you know what i mean < 1287774419 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't find a value < 1287774420 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you don't < 1287774420 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree. < 1287774425 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i don't. < 1287774446 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP is the worst language ever! < 1287774453 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP is the worst language ever! < 1287774456 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exclamation mark! < 1287774471 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: most people do not have sufficient capacity to understand why technical things are good/bad, for them to be capable of making any critical distinction between those three languages. < 1287774483 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i said sane people. < 1287774486 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also people who program < 1287774491 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THERE ARE NO SANE PEOPLE HAHAHAHAHA < 1287774494 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1287774497 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1287774503 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, they do what we do < 1287774510 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but then < 1287774512 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then what do they do < 1287774513 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they go "ARGH this sucks, what do people USE?" < 1287774514 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after they do what we do < 1287774516 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but seriously < 1287774523 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kill themselves? < 1287774527 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sane people are boring! < 1287774539 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: i just meant non-stupid people really < 1287774545 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they invent their own language and then they kill themselves < 1287774548 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok no < 1287774548 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1287774550 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't work. < 1287774562 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they go insane? < 1287774568 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they give up? < 1287774576 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG PYTHON RAWKS < 1287774577 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they use python. < 1287774579 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: i could swear that we've met on IRC several years ago < 1287774587 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: we haven't, probably < 1287774599 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they get a lobotomy so they can enjoy PHP. < 1287774600 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you worked on Open Tibia then ;D < 1287774614 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: I haven't, at least not that I know of < 1287774622 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1287774638 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is yorick a common name in a place where you live? < 1287774640 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone else must have stolen my name before I was using it < 1287774641 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am fully in favour of inventing new languages, but, research and production are two different thigns, and *genuine* improvements come hard. < 1287774642 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it with russian people and tibia -- note: nooga is russian for the purpose of this line < 1287774662 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1287774676 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: it has an occurence of 0.0148% < 1287774681 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mh < 1287774711 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Привет! < 1287774715 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yuck < 1287774737 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Have you ever heard of Merd or Felix? < 1287774738 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should finally get themselves some normal alphabet < 1287774745 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I posted merd to reddit a while back. < 1287774752 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I WOULD TOTALLY USE THE FUCK OUT OF MERD. It is a dead project. < 1287774756 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't find creator on Google. Wept. < 1287774762 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Felix? < 1287774775 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The smart upgrade from C++" oh i am totally sold. < 1287774783 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have < 1287774786 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heard of this i think < 1287774788 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like google go! < 1287774790 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: oh joy, the code looks like python. < 1287774792 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly. like p- < 1287774792 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1287774796 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a python section of a plugin thing < 1287774796 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1287774797 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My main exposure to Felix is the time irs creator came on the Lua mailing lists and wouldn't shut up about GC. < 1287774805 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about merd? < 1287774811 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to have some good features but is somewhat Falcon-like in its EVERYTHINGNESS < 1287774814 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :merd < 1287774816 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like it < 1287774822 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: what, merd? < 1287774827 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually relatively coherently-designed < 1287774828 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Merd seems good but too unusual in some respects to ever catch on. < 1287774831 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that a lot of the features interact. < 1287774831 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, felxi. < 1287774832 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh felix < 1287774833 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1287774837 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: ehh < 1287774840 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*FLEXISLEJDN A AHSOPHO HOED < 1287774841 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :merd could be basically like a regular pl < 1287774844 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for normal usage < 1287774851 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :half of the work was basically to make dynamic stuff just work < 1287774864 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the spaces-influence-precedence thing is just too weird. plus, being named after shit, is not great marketing. < 1287774871 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: ok the first one < 1287774874 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :static typing with polymorphism! < 1287774875 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is literally one line in the feature list < 1287774880 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get over it, it's nowhere near certain :P < 1287774883 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the examples don't use it < 1287774887 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: also you can always rename a language < 1287774898 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think felix basically IS python < 1287774905 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1287774906 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: it has header files. < 1287774908 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\tt\def\1{\catcode92=12\catcode123=12\catcode125=12\input\jobname\end}\1 < 1287774908 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they stole the syntax < 1287774909 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't look like it. < 1287774911 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: no < 1287774912 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: wrong page < 1287774914 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :click another link < 1287774916 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and see actual felix code < 1287774918 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: then someone should fork merd and rename it, and we'd be talking about a different language :) < 1287774921 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than python code in the benchmark stuff :P < 1287774927 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: have fun with that < 1287774940 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no no, i'm a-gonna design me OWN < 1287774950 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: DO IT < 1287774952 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i will have fun with that too though) < 1287774960 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EW < 1287774968 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's even worse :D < 1287774972 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1287774987 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, also Felix is far too C++-associated < 1287775006 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :print "blah"; endl; < 1287775015 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :python just does print "blah" < 1287775017 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that works fine < 1287775025 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: except when it doesn't. < 1287775035 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: then you use print "blah", < 1287775036 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ endl < 1287775040 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: that appends a space < 1287775045 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't want that? sys.stdout.write WOOOOOT < 1287775049 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: then you use sys.stdout.write < 1287775057 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: fuck python. < 1287775059 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no seriously. < 1287775060 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shitty language. < 1287775077 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|env|.moo{3=4}; < 1287775111 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew < 1287775114 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ewewewewew < 1287775130 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: wait what does that do :D < 1287775134 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: #python is that way -> < 1287775156 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you mean the Twisted channel :P < 1287775158 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I AM MAKING SHIT UP < 1287775169 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am the fungot of language syntax < 1287775169 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: or emacs-style editor i'd like to print "" array pointer "" array pointer. woof. < 1287775173 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: twisted? < 1287775176 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great, even worse < 1287775181 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :twisted is awful. < 1287775185 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is < 1287775212 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to append "without using twisted" to my python questions nowadays to not get the answer "use twisted" < 1287775217 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I get "use twisted anyways" < 1287775223 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See if you can understand this TeX code: \tt\def\1{\catcode92=12\catcode123=12\catcode125=12\input\jobname\end}\1 < 1287775223 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should write something in it someday so i can hate it first-hand < 1287775255 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1287775279 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: That is probably the best way to hate it I think you are correct < 1287775284 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: #python is the worst channel ever < 1287775303 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sryously, what channel has "NO LOL" in its topic < 1287775305 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-networking-related question: "How do I do this?" "Don't do that." "I want to do that." "Don't." "What should I do instead then?" "Nothing. Kill yourself." < 1287775333 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :networking-related question: "How do I-" "Use Twisted." "But-" "Use Twisted." "My question i-" "Use Twisted." "I'M USING TWISTED?" "No problem then." "Actually I'm not." "Use Twisted." "FUCK YOU" < 1287775335 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've seen them take down lollers before, too. < 1287775360 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol :) < 1287775409 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you understand this TeX code? < 1287775428 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like it does something evil < 1287775461 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: Do you mean, the TeX code? < 1287775475 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I do mean, the TeX code. < 1287775487 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: What do you think it does? < 1287775498 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At first, without executing it) < 1287775588 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think it formats stuff as postscript :) < 1287775621 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: No. (Postscript is done by separate programs if needed) < 1287775641 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then no idea < 1287775698 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try it then. And then once you see what it does, try to figure out how it works. < 1287775706 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1287775753 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: no. why < 1287775777 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tip: if your project is a library for programmers, example code on front page of project website please. < 1287775846 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I think that would scare people away < 1287775880 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.50.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1287775885 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: I will tell you. That TeX code typesets its own code. < 1287775894 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I suppose that can help sometimes. < 1287775954 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It isn't a true quine, because it uses file input) < 1287775992 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear websites/Opera: Stop making it so that Opera keeps thinking that something changed in your tab < 1287776135 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Do you know what is causing it? < 1287776148 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably some AJAXy stuff < 1287776152 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea < 1287776210 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The @{ ... @} command in Enhanced CWEB acts kind of like the \[ ... \] in Falcon. The @{ ... @} are typeset as $\langle\!\{$ ... $\}\!\rangle$ < 1287776248 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if a function xyzabc$() is defined inside of a @{ ... @} block, then whenever the identifier 'xyzabc' is encountered it will call that function < 1287776285 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I accidentally make -j 45 < 1287776347 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a 100% chance of an OOM on such a huge project, because the link steps are massive and so every thread gets hung up linking a number of independent libraries and eating up all available memory < 1287776410 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Then cancel it? < 1287776449 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that requires getting the computer to respond to the cancel < 1287776457 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I actually tried the OOM killer, but that didn't work :/) < 1287776509 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, heh < 1287776575 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt-sysrq-f should save my computer, dammit < 1287776627 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Error: Unable to display error message. < 1287776656 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: what's f again? < 1287776710 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: invoke oom killer < 1287776716 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: oh joy < 1287776719 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mnemonic: memory [f]ull) < 1287776723 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Tip: if your project is a library for programmers, example code on front page of project website please. < 1287776727 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which library didn't? < 1287776729 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : cpressey: I think that would scare people away ;; LOL < 1287776738 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm a programmer looking for a library but code -- NO" < 1287776742 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tip: if you do an unrecognized sysrq, it prints a small guide < 1287776755 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: only if your display is working, i imagine < 1287776780 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: i can't seem to make that happen < 1287776794 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, you actually have to make it to a vt to get that since it won't work if X has the screen < 1287776802 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: yeaaaaaaaah not that easy < 1287776816 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but since the vt switch is in the kernel, that should usually be possible if it's a true oom and not a kernel hang < 1287776822 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it may take a little while, though) < 1287776983 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION returneth < 1287777011 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, you're of type ()? < 1287777025 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, that diesn't quite make sense < 1287777029 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*doesn't < 1287777126 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it makes no sense < 1287777132 0 :antivigilante!~antivigil@174-26-84-31.phnx.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1287777163 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was supposed to be since pikhq is returning but not returning anything. Then I started thinking in terms of Haskell. But there, return means something utterly different < 1287777337 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly I'm of type m () for some monad m. < 1287777711 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: pikhq: proposal: log-structured file system, except here log means actual log < 1287777712 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :log(n) < 1287777840 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How... Does that work? < 1287777876 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: that's for me to not know and you to invent. < 1287777887 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe instead of a binary tree < 1287777888 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a log tree < 1287777893 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :log_2(n) instead of 2^n < 1287777911 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-15-167.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1287777941 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@host81-131-165-116.range81-131.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1287777972 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, everybody! < 1287778064 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: DIE < 1287778066 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DIE IN A VAT OF VATNESS < 1287778076 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1287778105 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is lost for words. < 1287778125 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :mibquint < 1287778135 0 :mibquint!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :quintopia < 1287778155 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yor the mourt I woarked in. < 1287778208 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have completely derailed my brain. < 1287778214 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope you're happy. < 1287778291 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Ik it pins ont fleur. Crik tek book o dee la. "PASTEUR". < 1287778310 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Value-added tax of value-added taxness. < 1287778315 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It appears that you have gone insane in my absence. < 1287778324 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vaxness. < 1287778331 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, please bring some sanity into this conversation. < 1287778332 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: problem solved. :d i had a q-tip, i could get ' messages posted per hour' graphs, i'm sure that'd have got you noticed. we had to manipulate huge lists of quantifier logic _with our hands_! < 1287778361 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With their hands! < 1287778362 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :our beautiful, beautiful hands! < 1287778379 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The papercuts were horrific! < 1287778428 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, when did elliott go insane? < 1287778470 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1287778479 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Five yeers go, past telemetry. Castrate orchids, saidded he. Waltz the fourt I groned in. < 1287778525 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, god, I have a week's worth of webcomics to rake through. < 1287778577 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION starts on IWC... < 1287778592 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: where've you been? < 1287778607 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, holiday! < 1287778614 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without internet?! < 1287778615 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE < 1287778658 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am informed that broadband here has to be attained through phone lines, if at all. < 1287778662 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BARBARISM < 1287778689 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yeah, uh. Same here. < 1287778693 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You crazy scots. < 1287778699 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: wait "here" < 1287778704 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you're still there? :p < 1287778720 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not in Scotland. < 1287778742 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am confused. < 1287778771 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1287778784 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I finally reached a place with wifi. < 1287778802 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where are you? < 1287778811 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ireland. < 1287778850 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ireland, land of the irate. < 1287778859 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gives everyone FIBER! < 1287778876 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ...I'm going to have to steal that from you. < 1287778881 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, not likely. < 1287778887 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, give them some fiber please < 1287778888 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i like to pretend i'm not) < 1287778895 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, Unicode 6 is out! < 1287778898 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LET'S HAVE A PARTY < 1287778903 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm surrounded by deadzones for cellular internet, let alone fibre. < 1287778904 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Unicode 6.0 adds 2,088 new characters. These include 63 Emoticons, important for use in text messages" < 1287778904 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoo < 1287778905 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asdfghjkl; < 1287778918 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: GSM should work anywhere. < 1287778928 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It might be patented by someone; it sounds so obvious, and isn't that one of the properties of patentable things? < 1287778928 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And don't say it's not sufficient; it was my main internet connection for months. You know why. < 1287778928 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HOPE ONE OF THEM IS A THUMBS-UP EMOTICON < 1287778940 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BECAUSE THAT LACKS A SATISFACTORY ONE-LINE ASCII REPRESENTATION < 1287778971 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, the borrowed iPhone I had sporadic access to cut out entirely a fairly short distance from where I am now. < 1287778990 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://everything2.com/title/Unicode+6.0 < 1287779003 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHANTOM HOOVER ARE YOU AWARE THAT TODAY IS INTERNATIONAL CAPSLOCK DAY < 1287779010 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I occasionally use "(Y)" after the Windows Live (eurgh, but...) shortcut for it. < 1287779017 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am doing this internet with the three-and-a-half G. At http://altpary.org/2010/ ({shame,use}less plug; useless since no-one's probably going to come and fly here on such short notice.) < 1287779030 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALSO I AM MAKING IT A PERSONAL OMIT ALL PUNCTUATION DAY BUT YOU NEEDNT FEEL PRESSURE TO OBSERVE THAT PART < 1287779055 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I TYPO; altparty.org, not -pary. < 1287779062 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, I rebound my caps lock ages ago. < 1287779068 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: me too, but i confused Gregor that way < 1287779145 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^I^N^T^E^R^N^A^T^I^O^N^A^L ^C^T^R^L ^D^A^Y < 1287779159 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, wait, Finland seriously has a space travel party? < 1287779165 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Audacity question! Anyone know how to deamplify (deplify?) some audio by 75%? < 1287779171 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, make the volume 25% of what it is now. < 1287779180 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I am doing this internet with the three-and-a-half G. At http://altpary.org/2010/ ({shame,use}less plug; useless since no-one's probably going to come and fly here on such short notice.) < 1287779183 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm there < 1287779190 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait it's not an alternative pary? < 1287779191 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a party? < 1287779192 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lame < 1287779194 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not coming < 1287779199 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It's a new theme every year; last year's was cyberpunksity or some-such. < 1287779225 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one before that was sex bots and WOW was attendance high. < 1287779232 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the standard amplify function does that IIRC < 1287779242 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i'm not sure what dB i want to be putting in, though < 1287779260 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: in fact it doesn't even let me amplify 0, the maximum is -0.4 to get it to peak at 0 < 1287779262 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is rather odd < 1287779264 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it doesn't do percent? < 1287779269 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as one would assume that it's impossible to have something *above* clipping < 1287779278 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus 0 amplification should always work and be a nop < 1287779301 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could have sworn it did percent < 1287779306 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, make a guess < 1287779313 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: no :P < 1287779319 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need/want it exact < 1287779322 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1287779327 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know how dB work < 1287779342 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should be able to calculate the value < 1287779342 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1287779345 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: but the -0.4 thing < 1287779348 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has thrown me off < 1287779360 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wot < 1287779384 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: re 88.2 KHz, lulz material: "Yeah, but for certain types of music 88.2khz is a tighter sound then 96khz(which is at times too loose). Its almost like the difference betweeen 44.1khz and 98khz." < 1287779394 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: quintopia: in fact it doesn't even let me amplify 0, the maximum is -0.4 to get it to peak at 0 which is rather odd as one would assume that it's impossible to have something *above* clipping and thus 0 amplification should always work and be a nop < 1287779402 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I had a dream a few days ago wherein Sarah Palin held my family hostage. < 1287779411 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no dream, my friend. no dream < 1287779412 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't ask for details. < 1287779426 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i read that and it still makes no sense < 1287779430 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: WHAT DID SHE DEMAND < 1287779433 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you tried bitch-slapping it? < 1287779436 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no idea. < 1287779451 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I remember her worshipping Glenn Beck. < 1287779454 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Right, it's "tighter". < 1287779472 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that I desperately wanted to get on the internet to see what the general reaction was. < 1287779476 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "I go for the best 'capture I can, and I can hear the benifit of 96k converted material that has been SRCed down to 44.1" < 1287779477 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT HAVE I BECOME < 1287779510 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Next line: "That old 82.2 to 44.1 theory could be a digital myth nowadays....", speaking of myths... < 1287779529 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1287779653 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have also come to the conclusion that Freespace 2 stores its config somewhere in the luminiferous æther. < 1287779682 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a portal to there in my bedroom < 1287779697 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can come use it for 25 plus airfare < 1287779707 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: googling suggests the source is available < 1287779708 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool. Can you get rid of my screwed up HUD settings for me? < 1287779708 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :check that :P < 1287779710 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or use locate(1) < 1287779716 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ locate freespace < 1287779727 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, done both. < 1287779739 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Reading the source will definitely work... < 1287779752 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: strace | grep open. < 1287779753 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I have to remain on the outside to tweak the machinery and keep the portal stable. If I go in, it'll collapse and I'll be stuck there. < 1287779754 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a) fs2_open also needs to be checked; b) I'm utterly awful at all source diving. < 1287779802 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, FWIW, I've nuked .fs2_open, which is where save files and some other config is kept. < 1287779816 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: $ grep -ri config . < 1287779827 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Maybe it's in the WINDOWS REGISTRY. < 1287779843 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I've tried running it with a different user, in a different directory, with only hardlinks to the executable and the data files. < 1287779849 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: ok, now how do i merge tracks :P < 1287779862 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: obviously it modifies its own binary < 1287779888 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You can only merge all tracks in the project by selecting "mix and render". < 1287779911 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that is actually my best theory right now. < 1287779912 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: Well, that... yes... makes sense. :P < 1287779918 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: check the binary permissions :P < 1287779948 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hang on, I'll recompile, then use the binary from that. < 1287779986 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: dude it... no, it doesn't < 1287780010 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. < 1287780015 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm being facetious. < 1287780049 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your FACE is being facetious. < 1287780062 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Factacular, even. < 1287780076 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the land of the irate, no less! < 1287780155 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: select both, and choose "quick mix" off like. . .the edit menu? < 1287780233 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: what was the Very Important Email? < 1287780249 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what Very Important Email. < 1287780256 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/User_talk:Deschutron < 1287780285 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh, just that I was interested in a suggestion he'd made on the dead forums. < 1287780299 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the forums are not dead < 1287780300 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1287780301 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are permanently dead < 1287780439 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: quintopia: Okay, less silly new question: I have four 44.1 kHz, 32-bit tracks that are... well not quite clipping but almost. Can I turn these into one 128 kHz track in Audacity? < 1287780448 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I can just convert it down, solving my problems. < 1287780477 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably capable of resampling, but i couldn't tell you how < 1287780491 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see how changing the samplin rate would help in amplitude clipping, though. < 1287780511 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *may* be mixing up everything because I'm dumb. < 1287780512 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait wait wait < 1287780514 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not 128 kHz < 1287780517 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: quintopia: Okay, less silly new question: I have four 44.1 kHz, 32-bit tracks that are... well not quite clipping but almost. Can I turn these into one 128-bit track in Audacity? < 1287780524 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: There. < 1287780548 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You might be able to copy them into a new project and just change the project rate in the bottom toolbar. < 1287780558 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: BitTorrent is definitely the best way to watch TV. < 1287780559 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: How does that help me mix them into one 128-bit track? < 1287780569 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Random, but true. < 1287780577 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i think evincar's plan could work < 1287780603 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait... < 1287780627 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Your MO- < 1287780637 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is definitely the best way to watch TV. < 1287780646 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...well, disregard my statement, which was in response to your use of sampling rate when you meant sample size... < 1287780646 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just need two more bits for clipping problems; anyway, I would think any bit-depth conversion would scale the amplitudes, otherwise it's a bit silly. < 1287780679 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't it have any sort of mix-and-divide thing? Pre-deampliying them will reduce precision, after all. < 1287780680 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it only me who is slightly depressed by the fact that he will never be as cool as DMM? < 1287780709 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll unparticipate the discussion since I don't have Audacity to play with right now. < 1287780714 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Doesn't it have any sort of mix-and-divide thing? Pre-deampliying them will reduce precision, after all. < 1287780717 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why i don't want to do that < 1287780720 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd rather just < 1287780722 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well played. < 1287780727 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copy the data exactly into a 128-bit thing < 1287780739 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mix it all, since they all fit into 32-bit there's no lossinessery < 1287780743 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then just sample-convert that down < 1287780751 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If you're summin them, you just need a 34-bit thing. < 1287780768 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: True. < 1287780785 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "16-bit PCM, 24-bit PCM, 32-bit float". < 1287780789 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's some mighty support there. < 1287780803 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm -INT_MIN is undefined in C, isn't it? Assuming no tricks such as first casting the value to a larger integer type. < 1287780825 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: evincar: You two, figure it out. :P < 1287780827 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, not necessarily, but often, yes. < 1287780862 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well, on my machine it seems like -INT_MIN == INT_MIN, which is quite reasonable, but here I want somewhat portable < 1287780908 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That's only guaranteed to work for unsigned types. Signed overflow behaviour is implementation-defined. < 1287780927 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsigned int i = INT_MIN; i = -i; i == INT_MIN; < 1287780947 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think. < 1287780961 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar, hm good point < 1287780979 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar, also on one-complement -INT_MIN would be well defined wouldn't it? < 1287780984 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could go with MAX = min((unsigned)INT_MIN, (unsigned)INT_MAX), that way I think both MAX and -MAX will fit in an int. < 1287781013 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, with some fiddling, but anyway. < 1287781023 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what I'm trying to get around is that abs(INT_MIN) is *undefined*, that is getting around it without complicating the code quite a bit < 1287781082 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i quit. < 1287781096 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hire evincar. < 1287781138 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, yes Mr. elliott sir. < 1287781156 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar. How do I does it. < 1287781159 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hire Gregor. < 1287781175 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhhh < 1287781186 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was it so that C99 mandated the signed arithmetic is no longer undefined, just implementation-defined out of the three common alternatives? (I might misremember.) < 1287781187 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, btw it seems that for llabs(), gcc on x86-64 basically compiles the code to: llabs(n) = (n >> 0x3f) - (n ^ (n >> 0x3f)); (but using several registers avoiding repeating the same operation) if I "reverse engineered" the assembler output correctly. < 1287781193 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hire pikhq. < 1287781193 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which looks quite insane < 1287781203 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hire cpressey. < 1287781209 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's this hiring fiasco? :P < 1287781234 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I give Gregor a better offer. < 1287781248 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm outsourcing. < 1287781268 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hire... erm... Vorpal. < 1287781270 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awww. < 1287781272 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: How do I mix shit in audacity properly. < 1287781274 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ...w...why < 1287781285 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, because everyone else is taken. < 1287781290 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, no! < 1287781297 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hire sshc < 1287781300 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can repair your relationship < 1287781306 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Make sure you get the right consistency of shit, and use a large spoon. < 1287781308 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I choose you^W^W^W you're hired. < 1287781324 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, for doing what? :) < 1287781326 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hire my cell phone. < 1287781332 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hire pikhq. < 1287781343 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, you are now manager of cellphones. < 1287781352 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My cell phone hires Phantom_Hoover. < 1287781376 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Why, prithee, do you think you need 128-bit samples in the first place? < 1287781381 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: I don't. < 1287781383 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: 34-bit is fine. < 1287781385 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As fizzie said. < 1287781400 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar, yours not to question why, yours to mix shit. < 1287781413 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming that was true, you could then in C99 do (x < -INT_MAX ? INT_MAX : abs(x)) to get a working "clipped" abs, since -INT_MAX is okay in all three of {twos-complement, ones-complement, sign-magnitude}. If that's what you want; you can't much get around the fact that there might not be a number big enough. < 1287781417 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 32-bit isn't because...your audio is already clipped? < 1287781452 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mixing several non-clipped samples won't result in clipping. Samples aren't mixed by addition. :P < 1287781482 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1287781513 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How are they mixed, then, if not additively? I mean, does it clip the amplitudes of one track to half when I mix that and silence? < 1287781514 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Y'know, I think I'm going to keep this 480p24 video of Elephants Dream. It's just wonderful. :) < 1287781532 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaand screw the 1080p. < 1287781535 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Strangely, while the avi played fine, I could not get flac in in any way that would play properly. < 1287781539 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww, I missed Pete's return in D&D. < 1287781541 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: .mkv made it laaag like hell. < 1287781547 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, actually, my code works fine as long abs(INT_MIN) isn't 0 or 1 < 1287781555 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I had that problem yesterday. *Today*, it "just worked". < 1287781555 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc it was desynced when i tried to mux the avi into another avi with it < 1287781558 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like magic. < 1287781561 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also had to manually specify flac while playing it < 1287781568 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: mkv or avi? < 1287781569 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, but since it is undefined it *could* be that of course < 1287781571 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mkv < 1287781572 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mkv playback seems to be too slow here < 1287781575 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it plays just < 1287781585 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every so often i- t doesn't g- o so fa- st < 1287781590 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now to do Big Buck Bunny. < 1287781599 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: why not do a movie anyone would actually want to watch < 1287781602 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1287781609 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, yeah, i know < 1287781612 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Can you rely on C99 there? You could check if it has that guarantee I mentioned. *Something* had it. < 1287781612 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no lossless sources < 1287781625 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: do Big Buck Bunny in 1080p only < 1287781627 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, okay, "Sita Sings the Blues", which is a feature-length animated film that apparently critics loved. < 1287781631 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no point settling for less < 1287781632 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes! < 1287781633 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do that one. < 1287781637 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only know of it thanks to Karl Fogel. < 1287781653 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Its creator is now a dedicated anti-copyright person :) < 1287781667 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: And, uh, totally do it in 1080p+FLAC. < 1287781669 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Buy more disc. < 1287781673 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION grabs the 480p < 1287781675 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No seriously, buy more disk. < 1287781676 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*disk < 1287781676 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: NO < 1287781677 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1080P < 1287781681 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The problem is that I can't *watch* the 1080p. < 1287781683 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, C99 says that abs(INT_MIN) has undefined *behaviour*. Which is even worse than saying that the return value is undefined. And atm I'm searching for what C99 says about -INT_MIN < 1287781684 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Who carse? < 1287781686 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in I can't *play it back*. < 1287781686 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cares? < 1287781689 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This isn't for watching. < 1287781691 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is for AWESOME < 1287781725 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/yhst-20024741711964_2122_6228207 Anorexia -- discuss < 1287781738 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Advertisement for Sita Sings the Blues DVD.) < 1287781751 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those eyes are... uh, yeah. < 1287781761 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Those proportions are............. what.) < 1287781776 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1287781779 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I am now extremely tempted to do a comparative study of a few languages by implementing a simple netcat in each. < 1287781784 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Okay, I'll compromise. 720p. < 1287781789 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Connect, listen, and -e. < 1287781790 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can probably watch the 720p version. < 1287781806 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Oh, uh, maybe UDP too. Maybe. < 1287781853 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, C99 at least says you have to use one of "sign and magnitude", "two's complement" and "ones' complement" < 1287781880 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Apparently Ebert liked Sita a lot. < 1287781894 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: If it has that signed-arithmetic guarantee, you could just use (x < 0 ? -x : x) instead of abs(x), I think it should be okay for all those three in theory. Except that I think it still is allowed to trap on signed-overflow, too. Can't quite recall. < 1287781895 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I like Ebert. < 1287781895 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Which is at least somewhat promising. < 1287781906 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It hardly ever happens this way. I get a DVD in the mail. I'm told it's an animated film directed by "a girl from Urbana." That's my home town. It is titled "Sita Sings the Blues." I know nothing about it, and the plot description on IMDb is not exactly a barn-burner: An animated version of the epic Indian tale of Ramayana set to the 1920's jazz vocals of Annette Hanshaw. Uh, huh. I carefully file it < 1287781906 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with other movies I will watch when they introduce the 8-day week." < 1287781912 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cracking start. < 1287781915 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Only as a blog post though. < 1287781980 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1287782021 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm, it says that it is implementation-defined for sign+magnitude and twocomp if "sign bit 1 and all value bits zero" is a trap value < 1287782021 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Well *I'm* going to download the 1080p. < 1287782024 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming I have the disk. < 1287782028 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION rms all the elephants stuff < 1287782066 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I just rm'd all but the 480p version of that. I actually somewhat *like* Elephants Dream... < 1287782089 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I haven't watched the whole thing, but -- when I was skipping around my encode -- the voice actors *suck*. < 1287782095 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Srsly, total mismatch with both their looks. < 1287782098 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the largest problem with it. < 1287782100 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really weird feeling. < 1287782106 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://www.sitasingstheblues.com/wiki/index.php?title=SitaSites Can you tell me which one you grabbed? < 1287782111 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aside from it being just fucking weird. :P < 1287782114 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1920x1080p "master" version (200GB 24fps, 35mm film-quality uncompressed Quicktime .mov)" < 1287782117 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds sort of like it. < 1287782124 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://media.xiph.org/video/derf/y4m/1080p/sita_sings_the_blues_1080p24.y4m.xz That's the one you want. < 1287782127 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Ha: < 1287782128 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1080p / FLAC (original video with FLAC audio in MKV container)" < 1287782135 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: PREEMPT'D < 1287782138 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooor that. < 1287782148 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Probably not compressed though. < 1287782156 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Also, no I do not want HTTP thank you. < 1287782158 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That must be huge. < 1287782163 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, uh, bittorrent. < 1287782168 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Good idea wrt netcat? < 1287782192 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: A "mere" 31G. < 1287782195 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Oh. < 1287782199 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: The .mov is 200 GiB. < 1287782200 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Heh. < 1287782206 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Are you suer it's uncompressed? < 1287782210 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sure < 1287782213 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, MATLAB on the N900 looks for some reason *really weird*. (X forward over 3G, so also *really slow*, but anyway.) < 1287782213 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It is compressed. With xz. < 1287782217 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes. < 1287782226 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Screeny! Can you take them? < 1287782227 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uncompressed, that gets out to 341GB. < 1287782234 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Woot. I totally have that disc space. < 1287782238 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Actually I physically *don't*. < 1287782249 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LZMA works astonishingly well with video content. :) < 1287782250 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: < 1287782252 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on < 1287782252 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/dev/sda1 220G 12G 198G 6% / < 1287782256 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: LULZ < 1287782263 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :720p one is 152GB. < 1287782268 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(uncompressed) < 1287782272 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: 720p is for underachievers < 1287782281 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Can I have an ssh account on your box pl0x :P < 1287782288 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll only use 341 GiB! < 1287782305 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Okay, okay, I'll download the 1080p one and downscale from there. < 1287782316 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Aww, but I want to run the fun commands of fun funness. < 1287782320 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Gaa, I just closed it. < 1287782321 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't beat fun funness. < 1287782351 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Okay, well, just be kind to my baby. < 1287782365 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: 1080p, FLAC, mkv. < 1287782377 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the way / uh-huh, uh-huh / I like it / uh-huh, uh-huh. So said a great poet. < 1287782380 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll grab the one from archive.org because that's a much nicer server. < 1287782393 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Wait wait wait. < 1287782400 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It appears that... < 1287782403 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey guys, eso thing. I was thinking of writing a "BFVM" (Brainfuck Virtual Machine) that could function as a target for higher-level languages, and whose bytecode could be disassembled/decompiled into vanilla BF. What do you think? < 1287782409 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It appears that the FLAC audio is not available separately. < 1287782417 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: Do it and we'll comment :P < 1287782427 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Kay. Do I get a stack? < 1287782428 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, no, that's gigantic. < 1287782432 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://media.xiph.org/video/derf/flac/SSTB/ < 1287782439 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: Hm? < 1287782448 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: the 200 gig one is .mov :P < 1287782450 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it includes audio < 1287782453 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Oh yeah, 5.1 too. < 1287782463 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: 1080p, 5.1 FLAC, mkv. < 1287782469 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but this is 31G. Bit more work to get it sane, but totally doable. < 1287782473 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Sure, neither of us can watch that, but... < 1287782482 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Just do it and we'll gaze in awe. < 1287782483 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll be a couple days. < 1287782491 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: To... download 31 gigs? < 1287782494 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Life (read: interfacing with C libraries) would be easier if I had a stack. < 1287782503 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: Sure, uh, do that then. < 1287782516 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: From a single server that appears to have limited upload bandwidth. < 1287782525 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Bah, I'll figure something out. < 1287782526 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq:Wait, cancel your download a sec. < 1287782531 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*pikhq: Wait, < 1287782532 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The archive.org one would be worse. < 1287782534 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Trust me.) < 1287782541 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Kay? < 1287782542 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Tell me when, I have a point to make :P < 1287782550 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nao? < 1287782558 0 :antivigilante!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1287782572 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: 0% [ ] 9,723,863 749K/s eta 13h 37m < 1287782577 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got >800 KiB/s before, too. < 1287782579 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cancels < 1287782582 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, carry on. < 1287782591 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what are you going on about? < 1287782591 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Or did you mean day in the half-a-day sense? :P < 1287782599 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: We're downloading a feature-length animated film. < 1287782602 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...In lossless. < 1287782606 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Lossless full 1080p HD. < 1287782611 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, that's better. < 1287782617 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Then he's going to download the 5.1 surround sound soundtrack. < 1287782619 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...In lossless FLAC. < 1287782635 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Then he's going to losslessly compress the video with x264. < 1287782639 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the stack comment? < 1287782640 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And mux that, with the FLAC, into a final .mkv. < 1287782643 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: That's evincar... < 1287782655 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Now we get to predict the final size. < 1287782659 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahh. < 1287782667 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You will get a better ratio than with Elephants Dream because, well, 2D animation with simple shading. < 1287782674 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But! 5.1 soundtrack. < 1287782685 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I predict... well, 100 GiB? You think? < 1287782689 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :75 GiB maybe? < 1287782710 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: "Yes, I know bad bad people can also use the .fla files for dastardly deeds (the dreaded hypothetical “Nazi Porn Version” that always comes up at Q&A’s). Bad bad people can use our shared Language and Technology for evil too, but I’m not going to constipate culture out of fear of imaginary worst-case scenarios. I’m confident much more good will come from this than bad, and that’s mot < 1287782711 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ivation enough for me. It’s Free Culture, baby. If programmers can tinker with the Free Software’s source code, artists can tinker with Sita Sings the Blues‘ source files." <-- it's hard to believe these words don't come from a programmer < 1287782717 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ... < 1287782724 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: She has posted the Flash authoring files. < 1287782731 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What I am saying is: You could render this in Ultra HD. < 1287782755 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You could render it... in vector. < 1287782759 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vector + FLAC in mkv. < 1287782773 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why could this be used for evil? < 1287782787 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: "the dreaded hypothetical “Nazi Porn Version” that always comes up at Q&A’s" < 1287782795 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://www.cis.hut.fi/htkallas/n900lab.png -- not much N900-specific there. < 1287782845 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wait, that's actually considered an argument? < 1287782860 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Apparently :P < 1287782863 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Amongst morons, yes. < 1287782877 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG OMG OMG < 1287782880 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sita Singes the Jews < 1287782886 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION slams his head into the nearest hard surface. < 1287782892 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ LOLOLOL < 1287782909 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, eh, the last step of that "reverse engineering" ended up wrong. Should be (n ^ (n >> 0x3f)) - (n >> 0x3f) < 1287783057 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whelp, off I get. May be back later, maybe with a hacked-together interesting project. < 1287783111 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: Bye. < 1287783121 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Is that small text legible at all? < 1287783125 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Antialiasing might help... < 1287783128 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, what's magic? < 1287783134 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Toodles. < 1287783138 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magic square? < 1287783165 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So, you're doing 1080p/5.1FLAC/MKV, right? I'll do it with 480p because... my computer sucks. < 1287783224 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magic square, yes. < 1287783246 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Pinge. < 1287783250 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The text is larger than my terminal font. < 1287783260 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it's pretty small still. < 1287783269 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what's y4m anyway? < 1287783275 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see < 1287783276 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But at least you can fit a reasonable amount of stuff in. < 1287783296 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :park_joy_2160p.y4m 07-May-2009 13:55 5.8G < 1287783298 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PARKJOY WOO < 1287783306 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You must be going blind with a terminal font that tiny. < 1287783313 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Nobutsrsly, ping. < 1287783334 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: srsly? ping? ok < 1287783365 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reads backlog < 1287783370 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : cpressey: I am now extremely tempted to do a comparative study of a few languages by implementing a simple netcat in each. < 1287783376 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: thar < 1287783387 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: some dude wrote a lame one in 3, don't know if you saw that link < 1287783392 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :his python was terrible < 1287783394 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: that's what inspired me < 1287783399 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i'm thinking < 1287783404 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it showcases the stdlib quite well < 1287783404 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was like pyton, ruby, and... i never found out what #3 was < 1287783406 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1287783413 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it showcases the basic way you express stuff in the language < 1287783417 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it shows its IO capabilities < 1287783425 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with -e it shows a taste of what it's like to interact with the rest of the system < 1287783428 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it shows argument parsing < 1287783430 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in the middle of it all < 1287783433 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a little bit of logic too < 1287783442 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's an IO-lib exerciser (more so than the other parts) < 1287783446 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on top of that, it's relatively trivial < 1287783458 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: right. but a bit more than that too < 1287783466 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it'd be an interesting portrait of languages < 1287783471 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: python's will be hideous :) < 1287783473 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know it already < 1287783482 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've already done netcat -e in python :) < 1287783495 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not _too_ bad < 1287783506 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: in the same way that python is not _too_ bad < 1287783513 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, basically < 1287783526 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Blindness is a small price to pay for a 99x24 terminal. Besides, the screen is 76x46 mm, so the characters are like 0.8 x 1.6 mm huge. < 1287783535 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Quite... < 1287783535 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruby would also be kind of nice, assuming its IO.popen is ok (it _seems_ ok from what i could make out) < 1287783541 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's over a millimetre. < 1287783547 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: http://www.cis.hut.fi/htkallas/n900lab.png -- not much N900-specific there. <-- hm, isn't matlab closed source and windows only? < 1287783549 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: ruby would excel at this, yeah < 1287783563 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Closed but very definitely not Windows. < 1287783567 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1287783579 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i actually am thinking of writing, um, a 'polycat' in Ruby now < 1287783580 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: y4m is a raw video format, "YUV4MPEG". It's essentially a headered dump of raw YUV video. < 1287783584 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: it has nice argument parsers (even the stdlib one is nice), its socket stuff is an actual abstraction rather than BSD Sockets: The Binding!, and popen is trivial < 1287783590 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: polycat? :P < 1287783591 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: right < 1287783606 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the preferred input format for many encoders. < 1287783610 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so they made a version for arm heh? < 1287783620 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :polycat: run a set of programs and pipe all their outputs together to all their inputs < 1287783622 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, or is it vnc? < 1287783624 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH NO WAIT < 1287783626 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1287783627 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catbus < 1287783627 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :much better name :) < 1287783629 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1287783636 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i think... that we're sliding, slipperily (say that ten times fast), into the dreaded slope of becoming ruby users. < 1287783653 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this will also mark the end of us being able to get non-douchebaggy help whenever we have trouble. god save us < 1287783658 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well... you know, the ruby programmers here are all westerners, and for the most part they're OK < 1287783669 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: YOU WORK IN AN AGILE COMPANY < 1287783670 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOBODY IS NICE < 1287783696 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "(X forward over 3G, so also *really slow*, but anyway.) < 1287783712 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Way up there.) < 1287783775 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm not sure I follow your logic. Getting help from the "community" of C++ programmers, for example... is this any less douchebaggy? < 1287783787 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1287783825 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the community of academic functional programmers is nicer, overall, I grant. < 1287783860 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They currently sell five versions: Win 32/64, Linux x86 32/64 and OS X on x86-64. I think they used to have some others too, earlier. < 1287783862 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for the occasional exploded bloodsucker < 1287783888 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solaris, at least. < 1287783889 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: You have never seen #ruby-lang. (NEVER ENTER THIS CHANNEL) < 1287783904 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The op is a massive douchebag, most people there are idiotic pseudo-hipster Mac-using Starbucks-visiting Rails users. < 1287783912 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rest are snobbish elitists who hate questions. < 1287783913 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, honestly, that's just unethical. < 1287783925 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Mathworks will be dropping support for Matlab on Solaris (SPARC) as < 1287783925 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of March 2010. There is currently no Solaris (x86) version, and our < 1287783925 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Matworks rep says that "there aren't any near term plans" to support x86 < 1287783925 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solaris in the future (although he says he is pushing for this). < 1287783926 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION joins it. < 1287783927 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1287783931 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's a lot of "DON'T DO THAT, WHAT DO YOU REALLY WANT TO DO". < 1287783948 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: *Anyway* the option parser is really nice: < 1287783949 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ah, so you are referring more to Ruby per se, than to agile in general. k yea < 1287783960 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, trollsers to "kill". < 1287783964 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: http://pastie.org/pastes/1241641/text?key=1h4pq5brnaq4kdy0u9j8a < 1287783966 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: just don't. < 1287783968 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: seriously. < 1287783993 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agile is largely wanky too, but... also, the company I work for has a less wanky culture than most (one of the reasons I accepted a job here.) < 1287783996 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: It can also do keyword completion, where you can provide the shortest ambiguous argument, arguments can take lists, there's even support for octal: < 1287783998 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : opts.on("-F", "--irs [OCTAL]", OptionParser::OctalInteger, < 1287783998 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Specify record separator (default \\0)") do |rs| < 1287784001 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you can also specify < 1287784003 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : opts.on("-t", "--time [TIME]", Time, "Begin execution at given time") do |time| < 1287784005 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you get a time... < 1287784010 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. < 1287784016 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, really nice option parser. < 1287784021 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what the hell did you join for, then? < 1287784025 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: to stop you :P < 1287784028 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yeah, it looks decent (the one in Python isn't _too_ bad, heheh.) < 1287784034 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm terrible at trolling, don't worry. < 1287784041 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: oops i missed a bit < 1287784044 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/end/end.parse!/ < 1287784059 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(obviously it returns the new optionparser, which you then tell to parse-destructively-using-ARGV.) < 1287784066 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ARGV is then all your non-option arguments.) < 1287784125 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i would totally point you to all of why's stuff ever now but RIP :( < 1287784240 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This smoke-machine smoke smells like popcorn. Disquieting. < 1287784383 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: he took it with him? < 1287784397 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: well he's not dead. but, as good as, internet-wise. < 1287784397 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: where are you that you are next to a smoke machine AND on irc? this is disquieting. < 1287784400 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: just deleted everything last year < 1287784408 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :complete disappearance < 1287784433 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah, i heard. was his stuff open source and was any of it saved before it went poof? < 1287784440 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: all of it. < 1287784442 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: http://viewsourcecode.org/why/ < 1287784447 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is like 90% of everything why has ever done. < 1287784456 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know he wrote e.g. the yaml libs for ruby < 1287784464 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Not just Ruby. < 1287784474 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was also, uh, Perl and PHP and just about everything. < 1287784493 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: He did *way* more interesting stuff than that though. < 1287784511 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He was really great at getting people interested in programming... and a lot of code-art stuff too as of recently. < 1287784518 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting. he's known for the ruby mostly it seems < 1287784527 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus, uh, language designer: http://runciter.net/potion/ < 1287784529 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: untrue < 1287784537 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I mean... yes, he was very much in the "ruby community". < 1287784542 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... no, he did a lot of non-ruby stuff < 1287784543 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I just advertised my place: http://altparty.org/2010/ -- hang on, let me a picture. < 1287784545 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he was *never* a "rubyist" < 1287784553 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was always him using ruby because he likes it, not because it's ruby < 1287784606 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: his last blog (hackety.org) actually had not very much ruby stuff on it < 1287784613 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :web.archive.org only has up to 2008 though... < 1287784628 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: oh yes, he wrote a hideous half-working ruby -> python bytecode compiler. < 1287784629 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta love it. < 1287784650 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but really he did an awful lot of cool stuff. < 1287784687 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, any word on why he disappeared? < 1287784700 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: He posted about Lua once or twice! Also DragonFly was one of his main OSes. :P < 1287784705 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The other being Ubuntu and occasionally OS X.) < 1287784717 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: http://www.cis.hut.fi/htkallas/i-smoke.jpg -- see, smoke. < 1287784725 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Well... no. He was lamenting how little programming is appreciated once or twice on Twitter before he disappeared. < 1287784725 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what association do you have with this altparty thing? < 1287784727 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But... no. < 1287784730 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: he's there. < 1287784747 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, at the conferency thing? < 1287784755 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Well, I dabble with demosceneres+ occasionally, but not much more. < 1287784759 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Oh, and he also made an album which was a soundtrack to a book about cartoon foxes^W^WRuby. < 1287784761 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah < 1287784793 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe he actually is jack black < 1287784797 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than just looking like jack black < 1287784880 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and to close this rambling, i quote him < 1287784881 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I appreciate your remarks, but I have a hard time believing that anyone would like my art. I will definitely die without recognition, and few will ever see the work I do. But I like it that way a lot!! One of the worst things a person can get in life is recognition. But a scalp rash is very, very bad as well. I have had some serious scalp rashes, and I also have thrown up blood quite a few times along < 1287784881 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : the way." < 1287784921 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanted to write a soundtrack to a book once.. and detractors told me it was impossible. bah! < 1287784933 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: It's a damn good album too! < 1287784939 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, damn good if you're crazy. < 1287784941 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I am crazy. < 1287784973 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: for some reason when you first posted that link i thought it was for a political party. < 1287784998 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Oh, well, in that case I can see why it was a confuse. < 1287785000 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup, that's -- smoke. < 1287785023 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i've made a mental note to check out what remains of his work < 1287785033 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: that's all of his work basically. but... you don't get the presentation < 1287785058 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: like... reading Alice in Wonderland in Helvetica with a blank book cover and no illustrations < 1287785067 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or an Infocom adventure game, sans feelies < 1287785069 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but times 1,000 < 1287785082 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: http://whymirror.github.com/ has a list of all the code projects and summaries < 1287785098 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: started looking at that, found it impossible to navigate. < 1287785102 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mind the smoke, but the smell makes me suspect someone's been using the fog-machine as an improvised popcorn device. (No idea how, I don't think it generates that much heat anyway.) < 1287785103 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, bookmarked. < 1287785132 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1287785137 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: It is terribly sad, since he had a lot of actually-developed, ongoing, really used or with real potential projects that were really interesting. < 1287785175 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe one day he'll come back. < 1287785175 0 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1287785177 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe he's in here now! < 1287785182 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...nah. < 1287785228 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Anyway I'm totally going to make Network Cat: A Comparative Study of Several Dynamic Languages. < 1287785235 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, psst he means you. < 1287785243 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: I actually mean why :P < 1287785318 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Networked Cat: Or, Why Should We Welcome Our New Feline Overlords. (A thesis title suggestion.) < 1287785331 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beautiful. < 1287785400 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes. < 1287785419 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION realises that the part identity of why's wife and the identity of some of his (ex-?)coworkers are known. < 1287785435 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thing to do sometime: Contact one of them. Uhh, the latter. < 1287785515 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it *is* theoretically possible he killed himself. < 1287785796 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What part of his wife's identity is known? < 1287785840 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the url of her blog < 1287785845 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well now ex-blog < 1287785902 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Apparently people have criticised "Sita Sings the Blues" on the basis that it's racist because a white woman did it. < 1287785910 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: l u l z < 1287785916 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://web.archive.org/web/20050319044407/misstrudy.hobix.com/ < 1287785925 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sure hope the about page is archived < 1287785926 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay it is < 1287785931 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm a bassist in a band, The Child Who Was A Keyhole, with my husband, Jonathan." < 1287785932 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup that's him < 1287785951 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...useless page though < 1287785958 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait wait we DO know his wife's name < 1287785963 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm not entirely sure how it's racist for someone to use another culture's legend for a story, but apparently it is. < 1287785963 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kylie < 1287785968 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, wasn't there a guy called Jonathan who was alleged to be Why? < 1287785980 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yes. turns out it is almost *certainly* him < 1287786039 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it is theoretically possible that why and jonathan collaborated on the same project at work, and why used jonathan's email address a lot, and why hosted a blog for Jonathan's wife, and why designed the cover art to the only album of the band that Jonathan and Jonathan's wife were in... < 1287786045 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ...but, uh, yeah. < 1287786076 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: oh and the band just *happens* to be completely his style. < 1287786097 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: also jonathan just so happens to sound exactly like why < 1287786135 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Nina Paley has said that some left-wing academics have also been critical of the film, describing their position as "any white person doing a project like this is by definition racist, and it's an example of more neocolonialism."]] < 1287786148 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Left-wing academics, dontcha love them? < 1287786172 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the far-left academia attracts some real crazy < 1287786183 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed... < 1287786199 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: jonathan looks a bit different to why as we know him in the photos of the band but: < 1287786202 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Academia" seems generally to be a byword for crazy... < 1287786202 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wots all this then? < 1287786209 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- change in weight < 1287786210 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- grow beard < 1287786213 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- different hair style < 1287786214 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- sunglasses < 1287786218 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- years passing < 1287786220 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := transform < 1287786226 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Well, not really... < 1287786236 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1287786241 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Definitely not in the sciences. < 1287786263 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I was excluding the sciences, mathematics, etc. < 1287786270 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't ask me why. < 1287786280 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so excluding half or more of academia? :P < 1287786300 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The best half or more) < 1287786310 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What Gregor said. < 1287786346 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Paley: On the far left, there are some very, very privileged people in academia who have reduced all the wondrous complexities of racial relations into, "White people are racist, and non-white people are all victims of white racism." Without actually looking at the work, they've decided that any white person doing a project like this is by definition racist, and it's an example of more neocolonialism. So po < 1287786346 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :litics makes strange bedfellows -- they're in bed with the Hindutva nationalists. And nobody's seen the work! I get all this criticism, and none of it's a critique of the work.]] < 1287786471 0 :Zuu!zuu@0x55529f1b.adsl.cybercity.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1287786471 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1287786471 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1287786473 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: So, in short, people are morons. < 1287786489 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: you know what i want to do? < 1287786508 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learn Japanese and migrate all my programming community activity other than this place and #haskell to the Japanese communities. < 1287786513 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They made anagolf! < 1287786521 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're nice! If crazy. < 1287786526 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Here, you act as my Google Translate :P < 1287786578 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone(?) pulled up the site(?) of a Japanese esolanger last night(?) < 1287786591 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the golf thing? < 1287786600 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 11-language quine thign < 1287786601 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://why.usesthis.com/ oh oh oh i remembered i love this < 1287786604 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: yeah < 1287786611 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on hatena diary, where seemingly every japanese programmer ever is :P < 1287786617 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first esolanger that i can recall being from japan. < 1287786624 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the only other software I use besides windows xp is kjöfol." < 1287786630 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use the term 'esolanger' loosely of course < 1287786631 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: There are... a LOT of them. < 1287786634 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but geez, 11-language quine. < 1287786647 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Perhaps fewer languages coming out of there but NO THERE ARE TONS. < 1287786662 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: And esoteric programming in non-esoteric languages is *even more* common there. < 1287786664 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is possibly less intersection/interaction with the english language esolangers then < 1287786670 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, hell. < 1287786673 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See http://golf.shinh.org/ :P < 1287786678 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1287786692 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes golf < 1287786693 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: for the record anagolf's source code is SO NOT ANYTHING TO LOOK AT < 1287786704 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's code written directly to the fastcgi binding < 1287786709 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus some ... questionably amusing ... ruby < 1287786711 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there is this japanese concept of "useless artistic invention" that maps really closely to esolang < 1287786711 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus lots of html < 1287786726 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember its name < 1287786735 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq probably knows < 1287786747 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: it's interesting how different, like, japanese *people* are and japan the place + its culture < 1287786763 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't recall the term, but yeah, there certainly is. < 1287786774 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the former are just regular usually-strangely-polite people with perhaps more tendencies to the esoteric sorta stuff < 1287786778 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas the latter is... uh, wow. < 1287786780 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(generalising here of course) < 1287786792 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chind%C5%8Dgu < 1287786806 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right, tinntồkù. < 1287786825 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Rube Goldbergism of the East, I guess. < 1287786826 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: that is great < 1287786830 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: double diacritics wat < 1287786858 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's necessary in my romanisation scheme for some syllables! < 1287786890 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from just japanese people on the internet i would never guess how metropolisian (is that a word? yes. it is now.) japan itself is < 1287786892 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as any long vowel + voiced consonant. < 1287786910 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what drastically different cultures think about us; what are our discrepancies? :) < 1287787046 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea. < 1287787112 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1287787125 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... < 1287787129 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i have many ideas but none of relevance! < 1287787140 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moving large files from /tmp takes far longer than mv should... < 1287787158 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, I have a separate /home partition. < 1287787264 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other news, I saw "The Social Network" today. < 1287787278 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never did I think I'd hear the word "wget" in a cinema. < 1287787302 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds shit. < 1287787311 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was... all right. < 1287787313 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: hmm, how would you summarise -e prog in --help? :P < 1287787331 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, "executes things"? < 1287787342 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no :P < 1287787357 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"executes "? < 1287787395 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: have you ever used --help? < 1287787399 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be way more specific than that... < 1287787403 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Executes on the socket", *maybe* < 1287787424 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[[phantomhoover@phantomhoover-laptop:~]$ dc --help (10-22 22:43) < 1287787424 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: dc [OPTION] [file ...] < 1287787424 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : -e, --expression=EXPR evaluate expression]] < 1287787461 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q.E.D. < 1287787528 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :QVOD ERAT DEMONSTRANDVM. If you're going to say it, do it right. :) < 1287787565 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can prog be a whole fun shell syntax line? then i would call it cmd < 1287787627 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meanwhilst. "Around the World / Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger" is amazing. < 1287787629 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, QVODERATDEMONSTRANDVM, if you're going to be like that. < 1287787672 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Spaces have been around much much longer than lower-case letters or a distinction between V and U. < 1287787693 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: no, it can't < 1287787696 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a path to a binary < 1287787705 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I didn't use lowercase, nor did I use U. < 1287787708 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Meanwhilst. "Around the World / Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger" is amazing. < 1287787710 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most inventive lyrics ever < 1287787719 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote Q.E.D. < 1287787722 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Around the world, around the world! Harder better faster stronger. Around the world, around the world! < 1287787743 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Hah. < 1287787762 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Daft Punk doesn't really do inventive lyrics. < 1287787791 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Case in point: http://www.songmeanings.net/songs/view/34775/ < 1287787806 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I still have the LoseThos ISO here. < 1287787880 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION listens to "Around The World / Harder Better Faster Stronger" < 1287787922 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I would just like to say http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/daftpunk/aroundtheworld.html < 1287787939 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, darn it, I'm not quite right. "QVOD·ERAT·DEMONSTRANDVM" would be the actual old orthography. < 1287787956 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well aware. < 1287787966 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. :P < 1287787976 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have their discography you know! < 1287787990 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I prefer "Crescendolls" < 1287787991 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Work it / make it / do it / makes us / ... / ... / ... / .... / harder / better / faster / stronger < 1287787995 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh the suspense in those "..."s < 1287787996 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: well no, i'm not sure < 1287788021 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I used to have that album :) < 1287788033 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Alive 2007? < 1287788049 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably Discovery < 1287788049 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I dunno man, it just said "Daft Punk" on the cover. < 1287788053 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's it < 1287788058 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: all of their albums do that < 1287788065 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not helpful. :) < 1287788075 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: < 1287788075 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9c/Daftpunk-homework.jpg < 1287788077 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Discovery. < 1287788078 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/ae/Daft_Punk_-_Discovery.jpg < 1287788080 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0d/Humanafterall.jpg < 1287788083 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmkay. < 1287788178 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1287788179 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On a completely different note, default Maverick install on this machine, using Totem Movie Player, produces some crappy audio artefacts I don't remember hearing before. < 1287788179 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1287788193 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-91-76.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1287788235 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: oh i totally forgot ruby has proper && and || and ! < 1287788238 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well as and/or/not < 1287788245 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION instantly re-love < 1287788257 0 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1287788323 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :proper in what sense? < 1287788329 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: as in you can use those < 1287788338 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :proper in that they look like C? :) < 1287788340 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there's actually a slight precedence difference that can be useful sometimes... but that's irrelevant) < 1287788341 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: well < 1287788348 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!x is sometimes a lot nicer than x < 1287788349 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1287788380 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1287788472 0 :Zuu!zuu@0x55529f1b.adsl.cybercity.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1287788472 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1287788472 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1287788519 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Once the ad ends you'll be returned to your LiveJournal experience" < 1287788522 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahahahahahahahahaa < 1287788586 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once decided to use LiveJournal as my private journal < 1287788603 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Had a paper journal and would copy stuff from there to LJ < 1287788607 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I stopped doing that < 1287788626 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then, sometime after I stopped writing in the paper journal, I misplaced it < 1287788739 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1287789025 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1287789115 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :human after all was surprisingly good < 1287789133 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1287789294 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Sounds cannibalistic. You just ate? < 1287789325 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like cannibadelicious! < 1287789390 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Putting the BALLS back to canniBALism. < 1287789441 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Was going to go with NIB first.) < 1287789519 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, he's fizzie: Putting the homoeroticism back into cannibalism! < 1287789712 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Putting the ack back to back. < 1287789837 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O Freespace 2, why do you torment me so? < 1287789856 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It only tortures you because it loves you. < 1287789968 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's being actively obtuse! < 1287789987 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Phantom_Hoover 0, Freespace 2" is how I read that. But that might be accurate too. Or maybe Freespace's score should be higher. < 1287790076 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Try putting the extra-sensory perception back into FreESPace 2. < 1287790123 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would be able to deal with crashes if they actually made any sense! < 1287790160 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Putting the rash back into crashes. Somebody stop me! < 1287790197 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't stop looking at substrings. (Ring.) < 1287790205 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Putting the topping back in stopping fizzie. < 1287790208 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ook. < 1287790224 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: keep smiling < 1287790253 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Putting the milling back into smiling. < 1287790257 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, that one was weak. < 1287790307 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1287790308 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to go with "press into cpressey", but that sounded just dirty. < 1287790388 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be time for me to try to catch the 01:49am bus, it's the last sensible homeward-bound one that doesn't involve circuitousity or switching. < 1287790544 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1287790710 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1287790970 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RRRAAAAHHH < 1287791007 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, look, the currently active mod has 499 errors from simply starting up. BUT I'M NOT GOING TO TELL YOU WHAT THEY ARE HAHAHAHA < 1287791014 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to download ooVoo < 1287791018 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1287791019 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :— fs2_open < 1287791074 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Opera fails to mark files as originating from the Internet < 1287791094 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, what OS are you on? < 1287791100 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Win7 < 1287791102 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it still Windows for your crappy games? < 1287791130 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And because I haven't bothered to get Ubuntu on here yet < 1287791152 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: So does WebSplat work on Opera or not? :P < 1287791154 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It takes a 2GB flash drive and about half an hour. < 1287791161 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also I want to be 100% sure, not just 99% sure because it's the only reasonable possibility, that the HD protection thingy doesn < 1287791169 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'t rely on software to work < 1287791176 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have to use Windows all of the time any more. < 1287791179 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, using the down key causes some dizziness < 1287791188 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define. < 1287791206 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The page scrolls down, and then snaps back up to the character < 1287791213 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume the "HD protection thingy" is an accelerometer linked to something to stop the disc as soon as possible. < 1287791258 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like that. But apparently it's controllable by software. It's reasonable to assume that the software just receives status and can toggle the state, but I want to be 100% sure < 1287791285 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think HD-stoppery should be supported by Ubuntu. < 1287791361 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I can tell, when FS2 gets 499 errors, its strategy is just to say "hey, tonnes of errors have occurred!", then throw them all into the bit bucket without leaving any semblance of a log. < 1287791420 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1287791433 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It's almost certainly an accelerometer hooked directly to the drive controller that *happens* to be exposed to software. < 1287791475 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it were actually software controlled, it is *entirely* possible for a stupid scheduler mishap to make the spindown not happen in time. < 1287791485 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :precisely < 1287791489 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's software-based < 1287791491 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's useless anyway < 1287791502 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Quit < 1287791514 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LET'S WE ARE INSANITY!!!! < 1287791514 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Totally. < 1287791547 0 :cal153!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1287791562 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, let's! < 1287791572 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, Sgeo < 1287791574 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a story for you < 1287791580 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once upon a time, DON'T DROP YOUR FUCKING LAPTOP. < 1287791581 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The end. < 1287791594 0 :cal153!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1287791619 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can drop your regular laptop. < 1287791628 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you drop your fucking one, it'll hurt a LOT. < 1287791641 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Sgeo has a rare genetic disorder that causes his fingers to constantly exude butter. < 1287791652 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey ooVoo, thanks so much for sending me my password in an email < 1287791655 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's fantastically useful when making toast, but a curse at all other times < 1287791695 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey Sgeo, we really don't care that you've found yet another shitty piece of Windows/OS X-only software. < 1287791733 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ [ -verify_vps ] - Spew VP crcs to vp_crcs.txt < 1287791733 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :]] LIES < 1287791748 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I would think it's only helpful for a very small part of the toast-making process. < 1287791753 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I corrected the problem you were having with the Enhanced CWEB. The version number is still 0.3 because it is only a minor fix (commenting out a line in "platform.h" and adding a short file "how_to_compile.txt") < 1287791755 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise you're just risking getting butter in your toast. < 1287791763 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[[phantomhoover@phantomhoover-laptop:~]$ locate vp_crcs.txt (10-22 23:52)]] (there's no output) < 1287791790 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have a rare genetic disorder like that then wear gloves < 1287791811 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I have Sgeo's disorder and *also* a rare genetic disorder that causes gloves to disintegrate when they touch my hands. < 1287791814 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The usual locate is very uninstantaneous, you know. < 1287791818 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please advise. < 1287791821 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: I corrected the problem you were having with the Enhanced CWEB. The version number is still 0.3 because it is only a minor fix (commenting out a line in "platform.h" and adding a short file "how_to_compile.txt") < 1287791824 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which problem was that again? < 1287791878 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What do *you* think? < 1287791901 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, regrettably, most healthcare plans do not cover digitus butyrus. < 1287791903 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I... can I have a real answer please? < 1287791932 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: OK. It is the problem that it could not compile PicoC < 1287791963 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, i've forgotten