< 1289952000 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: I was just checking. < 1289952023 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well sure. But in general using a better optimising compiler than pcc for libc might be a good idea < 1289952038 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: " The only optimization added so far is a multiple-register-class graph-coloring register allocator, which may be one of the best register allocators today. Conversion to SSA format is also implemented, but not yet the phi function. Not too difficult though, after that strength reduction is high on the list." --pcc, 2007 < 1289952045 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It's actually 2007. < 1289952048 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: *"The < 1289952057 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1289952058 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Since 2007 it'll have gotten better. pcc isn't some weakling :P < 1289952059 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Probably later than 1990 too. < 1289952066 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: A brief hiatus! < 1289952085 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Admittedly, it only started running on x86 in 2007 or so when it got picked back up. :-) < 1289952089 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody ever bothered to port it before. < 1289952098 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might have been 2006. < 1289952102 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, true. But you want the best for code that contains many performance sensitive functions. And that is used by virtually everything < 1289952107 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was imported into OpenBSD and NetBSD in September 2007. < 1289952118 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, true. I will probably measure stuff. < 1289952126 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, of course you should < 1289952129 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Hm, I thought that the x86 BSDs and AT&T Unix had a pcc-based CC at the time ... I guess not. < 1289952136 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Note that it is perfectly possible to use a different libc for a single application, if you really wanted to for some strange reason. < 1289952141 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway good luck geting openoffice linked statically < 1289952146 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it is possible < 1289952149 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Perhaps they did and the code was never released. But I think a version of BSD predating x86 Unix switched to gcc... < 1289952151 0 :sshc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Debian is far superior from Archlinux, because its packages are always from the good ol' days. < 1289952155 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I probably won't. < 1289952161 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: BTW, VirtualBox's *OpenGL* acceleration "just works". < 1289952162 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sshc: You're a moron. < 1289952173 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I need openoffice btw. Too many people at university uses formats like that < 1289952174 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The Direct3D stuff is painful. < 1289952175 0 :sshc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're a mormon. < 1289952181 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sshc: (I ran sid the other day and it had packages that were a WEEK old!) < 1289952186 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Especially because you need to install it in safe mode for it to work. < 1289952191 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Indeed. (Ever tried AbiWord?) < 1289952197 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Indeed. < 1289952203 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, last I needed to work with a *.xls < 1289952211 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Gnumeric can use *.xls :P < 1289952213 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and the day before that a *.ppt < 1289952231 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Okay, for that you need OpenOffice. < 1289952235 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, indeed < 1289952238 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about LibreOffice? < 1289952239 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The solution is to send the next person who sends you one a bill for Microsoft Office. < 1289952246 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Maybe that'll give the fuckers a clue. < 1289952255 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Sgeo_ actually made a pertinent remark that it'll be LibreOffice I package. < 1289952258 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seeing as OpenOffice is dead :P < 1289952267 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, what presentation program on linux then? < 1289952272 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I use go-openoffice < 1289952273 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oh, and, of course, don't actually buy Office with it; instead, get a new computer.) < 1289952273 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm < 1289952278 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: OpenOffice died. It's now called LibreOffice. < 1289952284 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, heh < 1289952288 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, when? < 1289952298 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (tl;dr Oracle took over Sun, OpenOffice devs went "NO FUCK THAT", created The Document Foundation to develop LibreOffice which is OpenOffice.) < 1289952310 0 :gm|lap!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1289952314 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1289952319 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (Then Oracle kicked all the relevant people (everyone) off the OO.o council.) < 1289952333 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Technically, OO.o exists still. However, everyone but Oracle has gone "fuck you". < 1289952335 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On September 28, 2010, some members of the OpenOffice.org Project formed a new group called The Document Foundation, and made available a rebranded fork of OpenOffice.org, provisionally named LibreOffice. The Foundation stated that it will coordinate and oversee the development of LibreOffice. Oracle was invited to become a member of the Document Foundation, and was also asked to donate the OpenOffice.org brand to the project.[39] < 1289952341 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway, I have been using this variant: http://go-oo.org/ < 1289952344 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "Go-oo improvements are being merged in LibreOffice. Improvements done in other forks are expected to be incorporated as well.[43][44]" < 1289952348 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Ubuntu uses Go-oo, FWIW. < 1289952357 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes I know < 1289952361 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that it does) < 1289952362 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The reason Go-oo stuff wasn't in before is because Sun were being dicks about it. < 1289952363 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm nice < 1289952367 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION misread that as "Then Oracle killed" < 1289952368 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1289952383 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Canonical, Novell and Red Hat plan to include LibreOffice in forthcoming versions of their operating systems.[2]" < 1289952403 0 :gm|lap!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other words they've at least tried to turn the tables? < 1289952414 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gm|lap: pretty much < 1289952423 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, seems libreoffice is "beta" < 1289952432 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's not really beta :P < 1289952435 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1289952437 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They just haven't made "1.0" yet. < 1289952443 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes I was a bit surprised at that < 1289952452 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Anyway, Kitten will package most stuff. But of course the priority is stuff that doesn't suck. < 1289952469 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's forked from the OO.o development tree, rather than the latest version. < 1289952477 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, indeed. I should install some package you won't ever package < 1289952483 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just to annoy you < 1289952494 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh. php. But wait, I don't want that. < 1289952499 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no the price would be too large < 1289952500 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You are free to run the few commands it'll take to create a Kitten package from that and I will probably maintain it :P < 1289952510 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He'll probably package PHP eventually. < 1289952521 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mysql? :P < 1289952531 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: BTW, compilations will probably be done on my local box to start with. By the time it becomes relevant, I'll hopefully have a better box by then. < 1289952531 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so no PSOX, then < 1289952556 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm sure 4 cores at ~2.4 GHz and 12 GiB of RAM should suffice to build everything with *reasonable* speed :P < 1289952584 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I *might* package PHP. :P < 1289952587 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, like by the time you want to build libreoffice? < 1289952600 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, mysql? < 1289952602 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yeah, y'know what? You're the official LibreOffice maintainer. What an honour! < 1289952614 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, alas my system is unable to compile it :P < 1289952617 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: MySQL I... will probably avoid packaging because it's Oracle. < 1289952625 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (I could avoid packaging it because it sucks, but Oracle is a better excuse.) < 1289952629 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm need to replace virtualbox now that it is oracle... < 1289952640 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no good replacement. (qemu just doesn't cut it) < 1289952644 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think VirtualBox can stay until it's forked or something X-P < 1289952661 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But MySQL has perfectly cromulent alternatives already. < 1289952677 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yeah, thing is I need features from the closed variant. Of course they will probably be implemented soon once it is forked < 1289952685 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed :P < 1289952696 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION groans < 1289952699 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vaguely remembers krecipe asking whether to use MySQL, PostgreSQL, or SQLite. No end-user of a recipe program should need to make such a decision < 1289952700 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what? < 1289952703 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That's an example of why the "Open Free!" / "Better Version $$$" model sucks. < 1289952706 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oracle apparently renamed StarOffice to "Oracle Open Office". < 1289952710 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, indeed. < 1289952715 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The corporation can hold back development because it doesn't align with their profits. < 1289952728 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, open free / pay for support works much better < 1289952730 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Sgeo_ vaguely remembers krecipe asking whether to use MySQL, PostgreSQL, or SQLite. No end-user of a recipe program should need to make such a decision < 1289952732 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome to KDE! < 1289952733 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, they make OpenOffice.org and Oracle Open Office. < 1289952738 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So much stupid. < 1289952746 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Indeed! Now suddenly your software is so intuitive that nobody needs support any more. < 1289952751 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what was star office? < 1289952751 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I... are you telling me that that wasn't just that one program? < 1289952752 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops! You have an incentive to make it need support. < 1289952754 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it was years ago < 1289952758 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't it just an old name for openoffice? < 1289952762 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before it became open? < 1289952771 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's also the commercial version of OpenOffice. < 1289952775 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1289952791 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so what did it contain that openoffice didn't? < 1289952794 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Star Office:OpenOffice.org::Netscape::Mozilla < 1289952808 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, since when did anyone have to pay for Netscape? < 1289952812 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, StarOffice. < 1289952824 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: While back. < 1289952845 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, errhm. what does the : count signify? < 1289952855 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, considering that it varies over the line < 1289952857 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: a:b::c:d < 1289952860 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a is to b as c is to d < 1289952861 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :common notation < 1289952870 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, he used *two* the last time < 1289952875 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simple typo :P < 1289952878 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1289952884 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normally the :: would be set off by spaces. < 1289952885 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that means it didn't make much sense < 1289952889 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yuh, typo. < 1289952920 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal si easily confused by tyops1 mahahaha < 1289952928 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, no I'm not. < 1289952932 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that sort of typos < 1289952939 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: In fact, Netscape has only been a free browser for 12 years. < 1289952962 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, btw. did you see that about panorama comic bringing a new meaning to "no forth wall"? < 1289952968 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The exact same instant that the source code was released. < 1289952975 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes. < 1289952992 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 1/0 <3 T&R < 1289953011 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/0 is not less than three. < 1289953021 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also 5th wall. Would that be when the comic character is not only aware of the author and reader. But aware of that they are just in the mind of the author and have no "free will"? < 1289953023 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Anyway, I -- was going to say something in this sentence. < 1289953032 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott, also 5th wall. Would that be when the comic character is not only aware of the author and reader. But aware of that they are just in the mind of the author and have no "free will"? < 1289953034 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ITT 1/0 :P < 1289953040 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, 1/0? < 1289953040 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.undefined.net/1/0/ < 1289953042 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: < 1289953050 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor is it more than three. < 1289953053 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: Art gets better.) < 1289953059 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that one < 1289953069 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yeah, but I meant taken even further < 1289953077 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It is hard to take it even further than that :P < 1289953096 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Considering at the end the author has convinced himself that the characters actually exist after they themselves doubt it. < 1289953134 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ghanny makes an argument that the author is no more real than they are, iirc < 1289953135 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, convinced himself in the comic < 1289953142 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, we don't know if he did for real < 1289953144 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Pretty sure in real life :P < 1289953147 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: He's crazy enough. < 1289953153 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that would be screwy < 1289953155 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also a monotheist, which shows in a sequence of comics around 300 irritatingly. < 1289953199 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here: http://www.undefined.net/1/0/9/994.gif < 1289953242 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Interestingly, GNU coreutils is both one of the things I least want to package and pretty high up the list of things I need to :P < 1289953255 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'll bet anything there's hundreds of dependencies on gsed and gawk in the world. < 1289953258 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1289953270 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (Case in point: gmake.) < 1289953271 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but awk is not in coreutils? < 1289953274 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU make I *must* package :P < 1289953280 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Meh, who cares, it's all the same :P < 1289953291 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, gmake, gawk and gsed are all outside. Yes you need them though < 1289953298 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: At least OS X gets by without GNU coreutils, but even then its "make" is gmake. < 1289953300 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably coreutils too < 1289953308 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Petitus calls the author out on the author pushing his views < 1289953319 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, OS X gets fine without them. Although iirc some OCaml stuff depended on gsed for some tiny little option (not joking). < 1289953329 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I can probably avoid the actual coreutils, though. < 1289953332 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: I know. < 1289953338 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you probably need /bin/sh to be bash too < 1289953342 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: But nobody seriously challenges him. < 1289953343 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, a lot of stuff breaks when it isn't < 1289953346 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It isn't on Debian or Ubuntu. < 1289953350 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: And hasn't been for years. < 1289953366 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes and it breaks compiling stuff that uses bash syntax in make or configure < 1289953371 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, they patch the packages :P < 1289953374 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION needs glowing retinas < 1289953375 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to call bash < 1289953375 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Used to, but dash is more compatible now. < 1289953380 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or to use another syntax < 1289953388 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But, uh, I'll probably ship something more compatible than dash. < 1289953389 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Said packages need to be patched or raped. < 1289953390 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, still happens for me every now and then < 1289953398 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Bourne. < 1289953405 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: lol no :P < 1289953413 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Bash 1? :P < 1289953418 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Perhaps Busybox's hush shell or something. < 1289953425 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shish! < 1289953430 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The default shell will be pdksh, and at least GNU autotools will be satisfied with that. < 1289953442 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You can probably use zsh in place of bash most of the time, too. Of course bash will be a package. < 1289953450 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. It might not actually be pdksh. < 1289953463 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably one of the portable versions of OpenBSD's ksh, which is based on pdksh. < 1289953465 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Nitpicker < 1289953479 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I don't like zsh :P < 1289953485 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, zsh in place of bash should "just work". Given that it pretends to be bash when argv[0] is bash. < 1289953489 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually like and use bash < 1289953497 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, but it's more bloated than even bash :) < 1289953505 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, it doesn't support esoteric stuff that bash does < 1289953507 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: zsh is quite nice, if absurdly bloated. < 1289953508 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't recall bash being hard to build, so it'll probably be in there. < 1289953522 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, there was some weird thing, forgot what < 1289953523 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use bash right now, but I'll just use ksh in Kitten; bash just happens to be Debian's default and I'm lazy :P < 1289953528 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Fortunately, yeah, bash should be installable by your inst. < 1289953529 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't even configured it. < 1289953535 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'm not using inst for this :P < 1289953538 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: (but yes, it is) < 1289953542 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott@dinky:~$ ls /opt < 1289953542 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash-4.1 emacs-23.2 nginx-0.8.53 ruby-1.9.2-p0 < 1289953542 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CLC-INTERCAL-1.-94.-2 ick-0.-2.0.29 perl-5.12.2 zsh-4.3.10 < 1289953542 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :egobf-0.7.1 nasm-2.09.03 Python-2.7 < 1289953543 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: zsh too < 1289953553 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, inst? < 1289953557 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but that kinda demonstrates that it's at least *sane* to package. < 1289953558 0 :Nitpicker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear download: Why aren't you done? < 1289953567 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You give it a URL to a tarball and it automatically configures, builds, and installs it. < 1289953568 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Automated wget&&./configure&&make&&make install < 1289953573 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It even works with Perl packages. < 1289953574 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: No. < 1289953574 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1289953576 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: More sophisticated. < 1289953578 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You insult my work :P < 1289953587 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it uses curl, not wget. < 1289953587 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except better, because elliott is awesome. < 1289953592 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. I am the best person ever. < 1289953593 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much. < 1289953596 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRAISE BE UNTO ELLIOTT, GOD OF ALL < 1289953596 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact you should all give me money. < 1289953598 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash you need to patch. They do a shitload of patches after releases < 1289953599 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right now. < 1289953605 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you need to wget like 10 patches often < 1289953608 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'll give you all the money in my wallet. < 1289953611 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same for readline < 1289953611 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's also meant to be able to take a repository URL :P < 1289953613 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: All $0 of it?! < 1289953617 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm < 1289953620 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes. < 1289953623 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'll ship libedit or whatever the variant of the week is over readline, most likely. < 1289953633 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I've used one that was totally compatible, so it's just a matter of finding which one that is. < 1289953636 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And €0 and £0, if you insist. < 1289953637 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, bash is rather closesly tied to readline < 1289953647 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1289953649 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: True. Well, bash can have readline :P < 1289953665 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: How stable is bash's repository? < 1289953673 0 :Nitpicker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There used to be some... website, a sort of "make your own distro" site < 1289953673 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's stable, I'll just use that over patching it all the time. < 1289953682 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nitpicker: I think I remember that. Wasn't it terrible? < 1289953714 0 :Nitpicker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd imagine it's the sort of thing that would be called terrible around here, but I don't think I ever formed a real opinion about it < 1289953725 0 :Nitpicker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vaguely wanted to make a Creatures-themed distro < 1289953727 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what do you mean < 1289953733 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Bash's CVS. < 1289953737 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: How stable is it? < 1289953740 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I have no idea. < 1289953743 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I wouldn't use it < 1289953763 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Hey, some projects actually tell you to use CVS over the releases. < 1289953765 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: e.g. pcc. < 1289953776 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but here is what you need to download and apply: http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/bash/bash-4.1-patches/ < 1289953779 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1289953782 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just as an example < 1289953789 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I like how they're USELESSLY NAMED. < 1289953798 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : BASH PATCH REPORT < 1289953798 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ================= < 1289953801 0 :Nitpicker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear Chrome download manager: Fuck you in the ass < 1289953805 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, at least you know which order to apply them :P < 1289953811 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I like how their code is so buggy that they have to patch it 9 times in one release. < 1289953811 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And mplayer. < 1289953817 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hah < 1289953822 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really inspires confidence. < 1289953832 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, they tend to patch for rather minor things < 1289953842 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, if anyone is looking to become more cynical about software, I recommend they make a distribution. < 1289953844 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, in fact *any* bug iirc < 1289953845 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's worked wonders fro me! < 1289953846 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*for < 1289953874 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mplayer's most recent release was done for the sake of distros too afraid of using an SVN release. < 1289953877 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: heh < 1289953879 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway 3.2 had like 30+ patches < 1289953881 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, this is NOTHING < 1289953884 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to that < 1289953891 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Incidentally, I'll probably not bother shipping OpenSSH at all, because Dropbear has an identical feature set and is much smaller. < 1289953904 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how does it compare to OpenSSH-HPN? < 1289953918 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and I use some rather esoteric features of openssh :P < 1289953919 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*When it came out*, they said "Unless you are at least deadly allergic to it, use latest SVN instead." < 1289953924 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A: HPN-SSH is a patch set designed to remove a networking bottleneck in the base OpenSSH code. Removing this bottleneck can improve performance drastically." < 1289953928 0 :Nitpicker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what sort of package manager are you using/ < 1289953937 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I doubt Dropbear has the same bottleneck, unless it's the only "obvious" way to do things. < 1289953939 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nitpicker: My own! < 1289953945 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Also, name an esoteric feature. < 1289953954 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (forwarding does not count as esoteric, it counts as mundane) < 1289953957 0 :Nitpicker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Base it on Asylum! [Don't] < 1289953985 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, key only login with specific commands run on different pubkeys < 1289954002 0 :Nitpicker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Smash the computer you're using right now [Don't] < 1289954014 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It can do the former. How do you do the latter with OpenSSH? < 1289954023 0 :Nitpicker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has become self-aware! < 1289954027 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nitpicker: Verily < 1289954031 0 :Nitpicker!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think I've made that "joke" before < 1289954034 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, by adding stuff to the authorized_key file < 1289954040 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "# Compatible with OpenSSH ~/.ssh/authorized_keys public key authentication" < 1289954051 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, fully compatible? < 1289954058 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so, yes. < 1289954083 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use ~/.ssh/authorized_keys in the same way as with OpenSSH, just put < 1289954083 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the key entries in that file. They should be of the form: < 1289954083 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ssh-rsa AAAAB3NzaC1yc2EAAAABIwAAAIEAwVa6M6cGVmUcLl2cFzkxEoJd06Ub4bVDsYrWvXhvUV+ZAM9uGuewZBDoAqNKJxoIn0Hyd0Nk/yU99UVv6NWV/5YSHtnf35LKds56j7cuzoQpFIdjNwdxAN0PCET/MG8qyskG/2IE2DPNIaJ3Wy+Ws4IZEgdJgPlTYUBWWtCWOGc= someone@hostname < 1289954085 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[...] < 1289954086 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOTE: Dropbear ignores authorized_keys options such as those described in the < 1289954086 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OpenSSH sshd manpage, and will not allow a login for these keys. < 1289954089 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Perhaps not. < 1289954094 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not sure what constitutes an "option" here. < 1289954095 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, see. Fail :P < 1289954103 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, those options would be the ones in question < 1289954114 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yeah, yeah, compile it yourself or have a less crazy setup :P < 1289954118 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does every other thing under the sun. < 1289954124 0 :iGO!~xk001@88.210.105.116.rev.optimus.pt JOIN :#esoteric < 1289954142 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also what about ~/.ssh/config. I use that to type ssh home instead of ssh foo@bar.dyndns.org -p 1234567 :P < 1289954154 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure it can do that. Anyway, shut up :) < 1289954181 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway I prefer calling it an esoteric setup < 1289954207 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Knoppix is esoteric, use that :P < 1289954211 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1289954217 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no it is just stupid :P < 1289954222 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh also ipsec. I presume you will package strongswan? < 1289954225 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Anyway, surely you should be GNU LOYAL? http://www.lysator.liu.se/~nisse/lsh/ < 1289954233 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lysator eh? < 1289954245 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ahh yes, where all the crazies are." < 1289954246 0 :iGO!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1289954254 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: How difficult is building strongSwan? :P < 1289954274 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I have no idea. I used packages for it. But shoehorning it into your service daemon will be a chore < 1289954280 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"No results found for "strongswan sucks"." < 1289954281 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Promising. < 1289954288 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Not really... < 1289954294 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Is there ever a need to *stop* strongswan? < 1289954323 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, there is sometimes. Mostly because you need to restart it a *lot* while configuring it < 1289954331 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Simple. < 1289954335 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, as in, it takes a few hours to get everything working < 1289954342 0 :Nitpicker!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Sgeo < 1289954350 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Make a service for it; the run script is just the commands to enable it, followed by "coma" or whatever I decide to call the sleep-forever command. < 1289954352 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and sometimes you need to stop it then, because you just cut yourself off from internet :P < 1289954352 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DSL is taking a weirdly long amount of time to start < 1289954357 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The finish script is just the commands to turn it off. < 1289954358 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Done < 1289954424 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Now was that so hard? :P < 1289954444 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1289954458 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, will you package aiccu? < 1289954464 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (If I succumb to you and other evil people's wishes, I'll just put a huge gob of extra code in svmg so it can support start scripts that don't leave a process running around, but it will require donations.) < 1289954472 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like chocolate. < 1289954475 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chocolate will make me do that. < 1289954488 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I have a moral objection to packaging anything SixXS makes < 1289954489 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, strongswan leave 0-2 running < 1289954494 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on configuration < 1289954501 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :leaves* < 1289954506 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott, strongswan leave 0-2 running < 1289954517 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does killing one of them stop strongswan, by any chance? < 1289954525 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cleanly, that is. < 1289954527 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, um. no < 1289954531 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww. < 1289954533 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not cleanly at all < 1289954535 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway. < 1289954544 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kill as in SIGINT, btw. < 1289954546 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you will probably break your networking by doing that :P < 1289954556 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: aiccu looks easy to build < 1289954558 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, still you will likely break networking < 1289954559 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a Makefile right there < 1289954564 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, aiccu is < 1289954582 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: maybe if there's a non-sixxs fork :P < 1289954586 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1289954587 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the Oracle Policy. < 1289954594 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1289954598 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or should that be Horracle? < 1289954634 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what about gnu smalltalk? :D < 1289954645 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Why would you ever want to use that :) < 1289954653 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, to annoy you of course < 1289954657 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no other reason < 1289954666 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I have a feeling you are going to be my favourite user. < 1289954670 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and less cheesy colours than squeak. That is always a plus < 1289954716 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION isn't quite sure what Vorpal is getting at. Sure, Squeak can look cheesy, but... GNU Smalltalk doesn't exactly have a look < 1289954718 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1289954720 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe that's the joke < 1289954721 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, will you package oracle/sun java? Remember minecraft doesn't seem to work with openjdk < 1289954731 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, the sole reason being Minecraft. < 1289954735 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: In fact, I might just include it in the Minecraft package. < 1289954736 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, that was part of the joke < 1289954744 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "Minecraft. (Also includes the Sun JVM)" < 1289954752 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but minecraft isn't open? ;P < 1289954765 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The exception to the openness rule is AWESOME < 1289954770 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1289954778 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I wonder if I could somehow package all of Emacs except from ERC, just for you. < 1289954786 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, :P < 1289954795 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By "fundamentalist", I don't mean Westboro stupidness, or "destroy everyone who disagrees with me" stuff. I mean that I believe in what I see as the "fundamentals" of Christianity: < 1289954795 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[...] < 1289954798 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# The literal nature of Biblical accounts (meaning that what they say happened actually happened. Including the Creation account. Obviously stuff like Psalms and Revelation is metaphor.) < 1289954800 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you could but it would be quite a chore. And do you want to dig around in elisp? < 1289954803 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO < 1289954808 0 :TLUL|afk!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :TLUL < 1289954825 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Bible is 100% ABSOLUTELY ACCURATE, unlike what some Christians believe. They would rather pick and choose, but I don't. (Except for those bits I don't like)" < 1289954831 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: True, no :P < 1289954845 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Bible is 100% ABSOLUTELY ACCURATE, unlike what some Christians believe. They would rather pick and choose, but I don't. (Except for those bits I don't like)" <-- uh, this is a parody right? < 1289954848 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it MUST be < 1289954858 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been running MineCraft exclusively with openjdk-6-jre 6b20-1.9-0ubuntu1 with no issues at all. < 1289954860 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It was my rephrasing of: < 1289954864 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, huh < 1289954864 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> By "fundamentalist", I don't mean Westboro stupidness, or "destroy everyone who disagrees with me" stuff. I mean that I believe in what I see as the "fundamentals" of Christianity: < 1289954865 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> [...] < 1289954865 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> # The literal nature of Biblical accounts (meaning that what they say happened actually happened. Including the Creation account. Obviously stuff like Psalms and Revelation is metaphor.) < 1289954871 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, you're luckier than us. < 1289954875 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I get black screen with openjdk < 1289954880 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Wait. That was in browser. < 1289954885 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the download version works with OpenJDK? < 1289954887 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Also, *Minecraft < 1289954892 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, isn't Psalms supposed to basically be songs written by some guy? < 1289954893 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no. I only tried downloaded one < 1289954899 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and classic < 1289954901 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both of them < 1289954910 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, haven't tried alpha in browser < 1289954912 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Mojang Specifications' Minecraft is a game about survival and building. Presented in first person and available for the Mac and PC, it has quickly become one of those indie darling success stories. In its alpha phase of development, Minecraft has sold over 600,000 copies. It's popular, has a great community, and has generated a lot of positive buzz. The game has also inspired an iOS developer to create his own version of the title, which has si < 1289954912 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nce been pulled from the App Store. < 1289954912 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The game was called Minecrafted and it hit the App Store at $.99. The App's creator, Trevor Wilkin, claimed in the release information for the game that Minecrafted was "built from the ground up for Apple devices without code or content from the original." However, the game looked and played like Minecraft, and could even connect with legitimate Minecraft servers.]] < 1289954917 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was pulled :P < 1289954936 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'unno, but it works with openjdk both at work and at home. < 1289954958 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, huh < 1289954959 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Incidentally, I hope Mojang Specifications is never renamed. < 1289954964 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's such a strange company name! < 1289954969 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, true it is < 1289954975 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specifications. They deliver SPECIFICATIONS to the customer. < 1289954978 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of... of code. < 1289954990 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm... Also "Mojang" is quite confusing too < 1289954996 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1289955002 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what? < 1289955006 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did I miss some joke? < 1289955008 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1289955010 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just at it being confusing. < 1289955024 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems like your standard arbitrary-meaningless-name to me. < 1289955025 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it is a pun on "mojäng"... < 1289955027 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh duh < 1289955029 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably is < 1289955041 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that mean? < 1289955046 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, "thingy" < 1289955054 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thingy Specifications :D < 1289955055 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, like "that thingy over there" or such < 1289955062 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They specify THINGIES in DETAIL. < 1289955065 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like when you don't know or don't remember the name < 1289955075 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or such < 1289955091 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes It is a very confusing name < 1289955097 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why am I getting only 129kB/s? < 1289955106 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does need to be started with "java -Xmx1024M -Xms512M -cp .../Minecraft.jar net.minecraft.LauncherFrame" for me though. < 1289955107 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, on what? < 1289955113 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A download < 1289955115 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's a documented thing. < 1289955117 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Hey, that's the settings *I* use. BEST BUDDIES. < 1289955127 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Wait, no it isn't. < 1289955129 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exec java -Xmx2048M -Xms1024M -cp "$(dirname "$0")/launcher.jar" net.minecraft.LauncherFrame < 1289955133 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'M MORE HARDCORE THAN YOU < 1289955134 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, huh. I can just run java -Xmx410M -jar Minecraft.jar < 1289955140 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because well, my system is weak) < 1289955145 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's meant to be if you have issues. < 1289955150 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So maybe that's what makes it work with Openjddjjddjdkkkk < 1289955154 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1024+512 = total system memory) < 1289955174 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I haven't tried to use anything less; those numbers were from somewhere. < 1289955185 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it works fine with 410 MB for max heap < 1289955198 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and max stack at whatever is deafault < 1289955212 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Oh, and as for what window manager the "default" set will include: no fuckin' clue :P < 1289955226 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you plan to include X in default!? < 1289955230 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, or wayland? < 1289955232 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (The default set won't be any package or anything silly like that, just what the installer installs the first time. You're expected to be able to manage your own system after that.) < 1289955234 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: See above line :P < 1289955241 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Away-asleep now, have to wake up in four hours.) < 1289955251 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, cya < 1289955255 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I expect the system to not install X by default < 1289955260 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, saw the minecraft pano above? < 1289955268 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You could always tell it to not install X. But there's no real reason not to install it. < 1289955311 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it shouldn't be in default install. How could you then ever hope to claim to not have any remote holes in the default setup for over 5 years ;P < 1289955315 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, I can't find my house since it's way off my spawn point :P < 1289955326 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You do realise the default install is just what the installer will give you if you click "Next" a lot? :P < 1289955330 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, didn't you mark with torches < 1289955336 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, indeed! < 1289955338 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't have torches at the time! < 1289955343 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, huh < 1289955345 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It will probably be compartmentalised so you can untick "X etc." if you want. < 1289955362 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that is why you build a base within viewing distance of the spawn point < 1289955396 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (After all, it'll be suitable for servers too.) < 1289955455 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yellow text: "Reference implementation!" < 1289955456 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1289955458 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1289955465 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compliant with Minecraft standards < 1289955473 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You know, maybe it'll ship with Minecraft < 1289955479 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After all, who wouldn't install it? Even on a server. < 1289955511 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Thing I will deliberately not package: Apache :P < 1289955520 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(httpd, that is) < 1289955659 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : But I need Apache, ktoaster depends on it! < 1289955682 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You'll be happy to hear I'm unlikely to package vim. < 1289955697 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, right up until the point that a vim user packages it, which will take approximately 3 seconds.) < 1289956283 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On /r/netsec's sidebar: < 1289956284 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"/r/SocialEngineering - Free Candy" < 1289956328 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear /r/SocialEngineering: Damn yo < 1289956329 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you < 1289956337 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They made a fake orangered) < 1289956458 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :G'night; bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb < 1289956460 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1289956784 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear Chrome: WHY THE FUCK CAN'T YOU JUST PAUSE DOWNLOADS WHEN YOU EXIT? < 1289956943 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dislike apache too < 1289957400 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Use Free Download Manager < 1289957418 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is torrenting Linux CDs now < 1289957429 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://goo.gl/TKnBb < 1289957438 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used it to torrent most of my Linux ISOs < 1289957443 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which ones are you downloading? < 1289957454 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TLUL, why would I trust some unknown .exe? < 1289957462 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://goo.gl/pbjO < 1289957467 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Link to the download site < 1289957483 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best DM I've ever used. < 1289957534 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tip: Don't use OrbitDownloader. < 1289957591 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which Linux ISOs are you downloading, anyway? < 1289957666 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right now, just Kubuntu 10.10 < 1289957671 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying to get OpenSUSE < 1289957729 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have every OpenSUSE ISO I could find on their website < 1289957740 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was bored and decided to use up some bandwidth. < 1289957762 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is 11.3 the latest version still? < 1289957793 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so < 1289957804 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, looks like it. < 1289957823 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't get it to work in VirtualBox (but I didn't try very hard) so I stuck to Ubuntu < 1289958726 0 :Hiant!~Person@pool-71-255-199-126.bltmmd.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1289958849 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello all. I have been pondering a language where control structure is based solely on permissions (aka run read write, ect). Does anyone know if there is an esolang like this already out there? < 1289959055 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems an entirely unique concept to me. < 1289959068 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm unsure how such a language could function, though. < 1289959225 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear SGU trailer coming up right before the episode: < 1289959230 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK YOU TO HELL\ < 1289959246 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The interpreter/compiler would have a current permission (such as safe, normal, advanced, administrator) would only be able to execute commands at or below its permission level. The same goes with functions. < 1289959263 0 :p_q!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1289959295 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ^ < 1289959301 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting... < 1289959448 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would imagine that functions would be able to operate on atoms and other functions, and that their success in doing so is related to the inherent permissions of the function and the access level of the compiler. < 1289959574 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This would make it very easy to reach a certain level of obtuseness; simply pepper your code with beyond-permission commands. They would look valid, but would simply be ignored by the compiler. This also makes it possible to have a single program achieve more then one affect, if the compiler is initiated with a different permission level. < 1289959623 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@bas5-toronto47-1176439209.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1289959658 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The _compiler_'s permissions? < 1289959659 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1289959673 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1289959680 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the permissions the compiler has < 1289959686 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The permissions set by the compiler < 1289959691 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Correct. < 1289959709 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The terminology is very...confusing. < 1289959731 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bit of a name-space collision. < 1289959815 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1289959870 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1289960059 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy. @#$%. < 1289960067 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At this episode and this season < 1289960187 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another idea I am currently fiddling with is based on bct (bitwise cyclic tag) systems. It operates on a series of hexadecimal digits, one at a time, and executes the commands associated with each. Also, the program may only edit itself, so there are no data strings, just a changing execution string. < 1289960403 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :IGNORANCE IS SLAVERY | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1289960564 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1289961398 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401080539] < 1289961976 0 :Hiant!~Person@pool-71-255-199-126.bltmmd.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1289962018 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1289962156 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this?? < 1289962313 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :IGNORANCE OF MAGICK IS SLAVERY | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1289962962 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/hTEh < 1289962991 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is Kubuntu telling me to upgrade VirtualBox's BIOS? < 1289963591 0 :aloril!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1289964880 0 :Decarabia!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1289965266 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants to try MeeGo < 1289965350 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One /11 allocated to china... < 1289965431 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1289965482 0 :Decarabia!~root@S010600240171528a.ed.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1289965599 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too bad I haven't seen breakdown of allocations by RIR... Because at this point of the game, only RIPE and APNIC are relevant... < 1289965704 0 :Slereah!~butt@ANantes-259-1-112-111.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1289965788 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, actually, if LACNIC takes large allocations, it too could allocate relatively soon (and then the final three would be ARIN+LACNIC+APNIC). < 1289965918 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, one unexpected /10 from LACNIC could throw the current (ARIN+APNIC+RIPE) scenario, resulting X-day moving something like three weeks earlier... < 1289966242 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OpenSUSE actually noticed that I was running in VirtualBox, and just did the right thing < 1289966252 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its Kickoff menu was decently done < 1289966270 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only thing I disliked was the not-easy-for-a-newbie-to-use software installer < 1289966278 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a package manager, not dressed up all fancy < 1289966494 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION installs Kubuntu into a VM < 1289966499 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kubuntu live kind of sucks < 1289966520 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Browser said it had cool extensions, yet the sources weren't set up < 1289966523 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Among other things < 1289966532 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugly user-exposed names in Kickoff < 1289966597 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No easily-visible easy package manager < 1289966610 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That may be a function of being on LiveCD.. or a flawed memory on my part < 1289966786 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu's in-install slideshow let you go forward and back. Kubuntu's doesn't < 1289967229 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that a problem to you? < 1289967254 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless I can search the CD and find where it keeps a copy of the slides, yes < 1289967400 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rekonq.png Rekonq on GNOME mindboggle < 1289967410 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1289967490 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm about to go configure an ancient computer with a Maverick Server installation. < 1289967502 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may install several different display managers just to see what they're like. < 1289967523 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figure if I start with a server install, then I get a fair comparison of all of them since nothing is preconfigured to help one of them out. < 1289967562 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, presumably, all the Ubuntus use the same repos, so < 1289967573 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some display managers may be better tweaked than others < 1289967593 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I may be utterly mistaken < 1289967745 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TLUL: The preconfiguration is part of the package... Unless you intend to compile from source, you're really not going to get anything magically different from using the normal installer. < 1289967766 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not entirely true. < 1289967805 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There won't be many differences, but there will be some. < 1289967811 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Ubuntu installer does the following: generic system configuration, and installing the ubuntu-desktop meta package. < 1289967829 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Kubuntu installer does the following: generic system configuration, and installing the kubuntu-desktop meta package. < 1289967846 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Xubuntu installer does the following: generic system configuration, and installing the xubuntu-desktop meta package. < 1289967848 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See a trend? < 1289967863 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1289967867 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A trend of being incorrect. < 1289967870 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1289967874 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's incorrect about it? < 1289967876 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incorrect package names < 1289967938 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The funny thing is you're probably looking it up right now. < 1289967950 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Despite the fact that you got all of the package names right. < 1289967955 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/ubuntu-desktop < 1289967959 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now STFU. < 1289968011 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/ubuntu-desktop if you prefer the latest one, rather than the absurdly old one that was the first result on Google. < 1289968050 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, are you telling me I was right? < 1289968088 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: 'Bout what? < 1289968104 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Well, presumably, all the Ubuntus use the same repos, so < 1289968105 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Some display managers may be better tweaked than others < 1289968125 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's a single distribution with different installers. < 1289968145 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each installer with a distinct default installed package set. < 1289968157 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way to uninstall all dependencies of a package that are not dependencies of a different package? < 1289968188 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so < 1289968190 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: That's the apt family's default behavior when you uninstall things. < 1289968200 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^and that's it < 1289968203 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even special things like ubuntu-desktop ? < 1289968205 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1289968217 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lol < 1289968221 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :TLUL|afk < 1289968234 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Technically it depends on how it's installed, but probably. < 1289968256 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's APT's default behavior. Anything that's not a dependency of something installed and was auto-installed (pulled in as a dependency of something else) gets uninstalled when unneeded. < 1289968423 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, this thing's autorun.sh really wants gksu < 1289968440 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could probably skip it < 1289968445 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sillily installing gksu instead < 1289968492 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION removes gksu < 1289969294 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is gksu? < 1289969416 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably some graphical sudo program < 1289969418 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For GNOME < 1289969434 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least, it seemed to be pulling in GNOMEish packages < 1289969790 0 :TLUL|afk!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :TLUL < 1289969837 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION decides adding 3d accel to his Kubuntu machine would be a good idea < 1289969965 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear Kubuntu: Please try to make some sort of effort to remember my resolution settings < 1289970260 0 :Sgeo_!~quassel@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1289970290 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear God Quassel's default pane sizes are terrible < 1289970696 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kopete doesn't have Facebook support < 1289970714 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to still be doable though < 1289971015 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Don't use kopete. < 1289971018 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It is so, so bad. < 1289971023 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1289971044 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have MeeGo downloaded, going to try MeeGo < 1289971104 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How I think a package-manager could work is there is one root package (there is a standard system location for it, or it can be set by command-line arguments or environment variables). The root package contains some configuration data and depends on "local-installed-software" and "local-system-installed-software". < 1289971157 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"local-installed-software" depends on any programs you have installed. To uninstall, you tell the package manager to edit "local-installed-software" to remove the dependency, and it will decide to uninstall or not. If you tell it force uninstall, it uninstall regardless of anything. < 1289971170 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it sensible to you? < 1289971196 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MeeGo complained about the CPU vendor < 1289971210 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It really, really, wants to only be useful on a select few devices, doesn't it? < 1289971236 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is MeeGo and what is the CPU vendor? < 1289971274 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MeeGo is a .. OS thingy < 1289971331 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is something wrong with the MOTD, I think the underlining is incorrect < 1289971794 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: *disappears in a puff of purple smoke* < 1289971841 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No! It is the wrong smoke!! < 1289972512 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it just me, or have xkcd's recent "five minute comics" been substantially better than most of the other xkcd comics. < 1289972713 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to try Jolicloud < 1289972809 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1289972817 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much does Jolicloud put IN the cloud? < 1289972819 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's creepy < 1289972835 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My favorite apps? Twitter and Facebook streams? < 1289972841 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All stored on Jolicloud servers? < 1289972855 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION throws up a little < 1289972995 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looking at the website thing I'm logged into < 1289973004 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks VERY MUCH like a user interface for a computer < 1289973086 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.2.12/20101026210630] < 1289973727 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has discovered the magic of BitTorrent < 1289973857 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BitTorrent is meant for sharing large files (such as video files; although some Linux distributions are also shared on BitTorrent), but you can share other files too < 1289974165 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep < 1289974172 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to sign in to Jolicloud to use it < 1289974204 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a fricken full screen web browser < 1289974252 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Do you want Chromium to save your password?" < 1289974262 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As I sign in to an Operating System's user interface < 1289974264 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is absurd < 1289974384 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still < 1289974387 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's interesting < 1289974400 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bit silly to have to open a Chromium for web browsing when the while thing is Chromium < 1289974437 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programs should not be unmaximizable (they are) < 1289974602 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :About to try Lubuntu < 1289974822 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, I get that it's meant to be fast, not sexy < 1289974833 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But where's the nice convenient easy-for-newbies package manager? < 1289974958 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1289974983 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1289975007 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lubuntu Netbook people haven't heard of that F guy's law < 1289975042 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What F guy's law? < 1289975092 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Not just you. < 1289975107 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I remind you that the early xkcd's were notebook doodles. < 1289975119 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one about things at the edge of the screen being infinite legnth/width as applicable and thus easier < 1289975194 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Fitts's Law. < 1289975282 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grr < 1289975290 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does VirtualBox really not have a screenshot feature? < 1289975338 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vaguely wonders what happened to SymphonyOS < 1289975455 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waits for Chrome to get ot of its frozen rut < 1289975726 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.symphonyos.com/ This Strata stuff sounds very Jolicloud-like < 1289975742 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe at least they'll put some effort into hiding the webiness of the UI < 1289975957 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not find such things useful; I can run programs locally. (SSH could be used if you needed to run programs on another computer; you could also copy a file and so on, using the other files, and so on... if you have shared accounts (like Free Geek) you can SSH and the files will still be there to copy to another directory) < 1289976541 0 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1289976685 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to try Haiku < 1289977371 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1289977439 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My keys went weird < 1289977443 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IN THE HOST SYSTEM < 1289977473 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways, my opinion of Haiku went from "It's alpha." to "It manages to be so buggy, it breaks the host OS when emulated!" < 1289977505 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: I'm sure there's a more reasonable explanation for what I just went through) < 1289977720 0 :Sasha2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1289977747 0 :Sasha!~WHAT@75-174-219-167.phnx.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1289977872 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.geteasypeasy.com/ < 1289977887 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That screenshot looks a LOT like an old Ubuntu Netbook Remix screenshot < 1289977904 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm going to stay away < 1289978214 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Around May 2008 all members of the Good OS team ceased to post in any blog, twitter, or any other web medium, including their own forum and website. While the website is still on-line, and gOS 3.1 can be downloaded, no sign of the developers has been heard of since then. Additionally there are no sources of gOS available. Development of gOS seems to have been stalled, and the official forum (http://forum.thinkgos.com/ ) was not moderated any < 1289978214 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more, was quickly overrun by Spam and was closed halfway through 2009 (one of the few life-signs of the GoodOS team after mid 2008)" < 1289978233 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is one of the creepiest things I have read (wrt all this OS stuff) < 1289979638 0 :SgeoN2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1289979664 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1289979672 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1289980339 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/the-lay-scientist/2010/nov/15/3 < 1289980351 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I know it was slashdot, but still... rofffffl < 1289980583 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting facts from the comments: "Any PC built after 1985 has the storage capacity to house an evil spirit." < 1289980590 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes one wonder how many bytes an evil spirit takes. < 1289980799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1289980800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1289981624 0 :Sasha!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1289981728 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably means few megs (since first PC hard drivers were 10MB). < 1289981815 0 :atrapado!~rodrigo@193.144.79.241 JOIN :#esoteric < 1289981954 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IBM AT, introduced in August 1984, came with a 20 MB (30 MB in the later 1986 model) disk... but of course "any PC built after 1985" means I should look at when they stopped manufacturing different models. < 1289982455 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh... ClF3 and Hydrazine would probably be quite a combo (well, at least it would burn, as ClF3 is hypergolic with darn near everything...) :-) < 1289982494 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially if it is organic... < 1289984711 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fog and -8 C outside during the night → awesome looking "frost spikes" on tree twigs < 1289984721 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the have to be over 3 cm in length < 1289984726 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will upload some photos soon < 1289984869 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, the unofficial university temperature graph for the last week looks a bit... unlikely: http://outside.hut.fi/10_days.png < 1289984903 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. why did that link open in gimp... < 1289984916 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so it does. Presumably something was broken there < 1289984968 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyhoo, -2 here now. < 1289985014 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about current temp < 1289985039 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got the -8 from the max/min thermometer about an hour ago < 1289985059 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here it didn't go below that -2 during last night, I think. < 1289985251 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, here (progressive jpeg): http://sporksirc.net/~anmaster/images/winter2010/ice_1939.jpg < 1289985370 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, like it? < 1289985389 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funky. It looks a bit like that tree I phone-snapped last winter and probably mentioned here too -- http://zem.fi/~fis/frozen.jpg -- except more furry-spiky. < 1289985447 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1289985469 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also your looks a bit more "undefined" in the details? < 1289985482 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even in the stuff that is in focus I mean < 1289985490 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I think the tree picture has had a bit of melting-refreezing going on. < 1289985493 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1289985528 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC it was more interesting-looking in the morning when I went past it, but didn't think of photographing it until later in the afternoon when coming back the same way. < 1289985545 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1289985576 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, do you happen to know when the US goes non-DST? < 1289985654 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they went a few days ago. < 1289985666 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1289985670 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that explains things < 1289985670 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a lot of talk about latest iPhone OS alarm clock failing to account for that. < 1289985677 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1289985736 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://support.apple.com/kb/TS3542 < 1289985764 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1289985896 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They switch on first Sunday in November, so for this year it was the latest possible (Nov 7th) since November started on a Monday. < 1289986070 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: how is it -8C with fog outside? < 1289986078 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fog would have condensed < 1289986097 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it was just snow? < 1289986184 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, btw, forgot if you saw that minecraft pano I made < 1289986463 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, I saw it; it was what made me think of Blenderizing a minecraft map. (Not that I'll probably bother; I didn't exactly finish the Descent thing either.) < 1289986469 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1289986504 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, now it looks somewhat less weird (added a few extra vertical lines) < 1289986583 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stitches < 1289986993 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... i want a new descent game :< < 1289986998 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works with 3d glasses! < 1289987086 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The old games worked with all kinds of serial-port linked virtual helmets. < 1289987094 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1289987116 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i know < 1289987120 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i even have one < 1289987130 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the vfx-1 < 1289987137 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh. Is it immersive and futuristic and all other cool things? < 1289987150 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1289987162 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thing is < 1289987173 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the important bits are not outdated < 1289987177 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the displays are < 1289987183 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could hack two iphone displays together i bet! < 1289987223 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember one with a warning label saying you're not supposed to use it while you're downhill skiing. That seemed an oddly precise warning. < 1289987487 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf? < 1289987503 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, i've never seen that. < 1289987579 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have really liked the descent-ish levels in crysis < 1289987615 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1289987630 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ooh. Is it immersive and futuristic and all other cool things? <-- are you asking me? And if so: about what? < 1289987640 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it was about the virtual helmet there. < 1289987644 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1289987704 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how cute - pretending to have me on ignore, and putting up a nice show of it < 1289987846 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the same sort of topic: I have this stand-alone GPS unit with a few silly games (maze, nibbles, that sort of thing) that you play by phyiscally moving around; you can set the size of the playing field and so on. The manual says "[!] WARNING: Do not attempt to play these games while driving a motor vehicle or in an area of heavy traffic." < 1289988212 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you COULD play it by driving a car around a desert or something < 1289989315 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1289989377 0 :gm|lap!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ilua < 1289993298 0 :Wamanuz2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1289993300 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/2369/bgc.png < 1289993331 0 :Wamanuz2!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1289993705 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha: This site only partially works with IPv6-only client. Guess what doesn't work? :-) < 1289994184 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Hint: It is a part you would least expect to fail with IPv6). < 1289994381 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, which site? < 1289994391 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, awesome < 1289994571 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: css? < 1289994596 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :site links? < 1289994974 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"IPv6 ready" logo. :-) < 1289995099 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1289995591 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, :D < 1289997181 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.50.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1289998983 0 :Ugo!~user@178.216.72.10 JOIN :#esoteric < 1290001854 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1290002300 0 :Quadrescence!~Quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence JOIN :#esoteric < 1290002468 0 :digimunk!~david.man@prague.dreamhost.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1290002942 0 :digimunk!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1290003145 0 :Sasha!~WHAT@97-124-43-96.phnx.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1290003485 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1290003563 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :tailgating on the whims of the vestibular? WE GOT IT | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1290003591 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:57:50 The only thing I disliked was the not-easy-for-a-newbie-to-use software installer < 1290003601 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did *you* have problems? < 1290003617 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:06:26 Ubuntu's in-install slideshow let you go forward and back. Kubuntu's doesn't < 1290003622 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please read this very slowly and then shoot yourself. < 1290003652 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:22:25 TLUL: The preconfiguration is part of the package... Unless you intend to compile from source, you're really not going to get anything magically different from using the normal installer. < 1290003652 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:22:46 That's not entirely true. < 1290003652 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:23:25 There won't be many differences, but there will be some. < 1290003655 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TLUL: You are wrong. < 1290003679 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:24:34 What's incorrect about it? < 1290003680 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:24:36 incorrect package names < 1290003680 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:25:38 The funny thing is you're probably looking it up right now. < 1290003680 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:25:50 Despite the fact that you got all of the package names right. < 1290003683 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, fuck off. < 1290003737 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:41:52 Is it just me, or have xkcd's recent "five minute comics" been substantially better than most of the other xkcd comics. < 1290003739 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Insanely so. < 1290003780 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: (I mean, okay, they're obviously five-minute comics, but they're still 10x better than anything since... comic 400.) < 1290004310 0 :CAHb14!~hecpopmaj@83.149.49.139 JOIN :#esoteric < 1290004370 0 :CAHb14!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ìóäèëà íà !!! âû ãäå áëÿ ïðîïàëè??!!))) < 1290004418 0 :CAHb14!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1290004535 0 :CAHb14!~hecpopmaj@83.149.49.139 JOIN :#esoteric < 1290004644 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CAHb14: iojeioaeoaje < 1290004650 0 :CAHb14!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello!ïîøåë íà õóé) < 1290004745 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CAHb14: hi < 1290004781 0 :CAHb14!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 8-) < 1290004838 0 :CAHb14!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1290004838 0 :CAHb14!~hecpopmaj@83.149.49.139 JOIN :#esoteric < 1290004922 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1290004927 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a ruski markovbot < 1290005105 0 :CAHb14!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: CAHb14 < 1290005203 0 :Ugo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1290005383 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1290005626 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1290005818 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1290006012 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The purpose of readproctitle here is to give us some access to any error messages that may be generated by a running svscan process. The 400 dots that appear as the last argument to the command provide readproctitle with an in-memory buffer it uses to display whatever it reads from its standard input. It is then possible to view this display with a process status listing using the ps(1) command: < 1290006012 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# ps -axww | grep readproctitle < 1290006012 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[XXX sample output here] < 1290006014 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WJW. < 1290006104 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The problem arises because, for security reasons, FreeBSD no longer mounts procfs, the process file system, by default." wat < 1290006574 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, today's TheDailyETF is actually /good/ < 1290006589 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*TheDailyWTF < 1290006614 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I've seen people do things like $^E=' 'x1000; before to allocate memory in Perl < 1290006618 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect it's a similar principle < 1290006663 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, it's because it shows up in ps < 1290006670 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and obviously you can't realloc argv[n] < 1290006683 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it passes 400 dots so that readproctitle can change that argument's value to show up in ps... < 1290006686 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, it is much the same principle there < 1290006690 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and this is how all errors are shown, scrolling right to left on that < 1290006694 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: worst logging system ever? < 1290006704 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, that's /ingenious/ < 1290006707 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy, but ingenious < 1290006726 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but: the package also comes with a *normal* logging system that it takes about 5 lines of code to replace that thing with < 1290006739 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i have no idea what /that's/ doing there :D < 1290006804 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, apparently oerjan's email no longer works < 1290006820 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey sent an email to me and him, and the mail to him bounced < 1290006821 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: same reason his IRC doesn't < 1290006826 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: his shell account is gone < 1290006828 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would make sense < 1290006838 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Hey, cpressey and oerjan, two people we're missing! < 1290006841 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, at least I am. < 1290006881 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey's active on the wiki < 1290006890 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, he just deleted something, which surprised me because I didn't realise he was an admin < 1290006902 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think he became an admin, like, right after he registered. < 1290006914 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: pretty sure he's stopped coming to IRC because he said it was eating up all his time :) < 1290006920 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also 'cuz i'm irritating probably) < 1290006941 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may be anal-retentive, but apparently not anal-retentive enough to keep the email address on your home page up to date! What manner of perfidious chicanery is this perfidious chicanery? Please email me your working email address, if you have one. Thank you kindly. Sincerely, the guy who emailed Ørjan only to receive a 554 User Account has Expired response from nvg.ntnu.no, November somethingth, 2010 < 1290006942 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sorry, I honestly cannot manage to handle this right now. --Ørjan 04:45, 17 November 2010 (UTC) < 1290006942 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : :( --Chris Pressey 04:50, 17 November 2010 (UTC) < 1290006948 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like oerjan's burned out < 1290006985 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, that's fair enough < 1290006986 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: FWIW, I'd got to the point of emailing the networking club at his university (where his account was) asking if he was okay before I realised he'd been commenting on the "Gödel's Lost Letter and P=NP" blog the whole time < 1290006989 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that was a while ago < 1290006993 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION resumes mild worrying < 1290007008 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just glad to know he's OK; if he wants to abandon the community, that's his right < 1290007030 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, absolutely, it just doesn't fit with any model of oerjan I have in my head < 1290007042 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if something bad happened to me, this channel would probably be the first place to notice < 1290007073 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still mildly surprised that people noticed /I/ was gone, but then I do account for something like 50% of the entire channel's traffic. < 1290007112 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: *more importantly,* losing cpressey and oerjan in a short space of time has dramatically cut our levels of interesting conversation :) < 1290007150 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[edit] thumb mature < 1290007150 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This article is a great help to me! Thank you! < 1290007153 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spammers are very thumb mature < 1290007177 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm pretty sure cpressey and I were racing each other to revert that < 1290007214 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it could have been a perfectly valid contribution! < 1290007219 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm very thumb mature myself. < 1290007233 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.188.14 JOIN :#esoteric < 1290007242 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :the secret order of the thumb mature, dedicated to all topics related to esoteric computing | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1290007661 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, if installed Kubuntu works far better than live Kubuntu, might real installed Kubuntu be far better than emulated Kubuntu? >:D < 1290007682 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You shall not use Kubuntu and I'll say no more! < 1290007734 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: The *wolves* will get you. And seriously, fuck KDE. < 1290007799 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The desktop plasmoid thing is a bit weird, and C++ must die, but what else is so bad about KDE? < 1290007833 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything. < 1290007932 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would you say if I started looking for a way to make GNOME look like KDE? < 1290007947 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1290007947 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I would say "Stop remaking XFCE" < 1290007957 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ...'cuz Xfce looks so much like KDE? :P < 1290007968 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I'd probably just punch you and put you on ignore again for my sanity. < 1290007971 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: A hell of a lot more than GNOME does. < 1290007980 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yeah, 'cuz... it ships with one panel? < 1290007984 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It does not look like KDE :P < 1290008015 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION still hasn't tried Sabayon Linux < 1290008020 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: XFCE's and KDE's default layouts share: The fact that they're both abstractions of Windows 95. < 1290008034 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: GNOME is also Windows 95, except they split the taskbar into two :P < 1290008070 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Also, KDE4's default layout is about as far removed from Windows 95 as you can get while still being vaguely like that. < 1290008073 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least on the desktop. < 1290008091 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which distros tend to support KDE better than they support GNOME? < 1290008096 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION would guess OpenSUSE < 1290008108 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: "Sabayon Linux relies on two package managers. Portage is inherited from Gentoo, while Entropy was developed for Sabayon. Portage downloads source-code and compiles it specifically for the target system, whereas Entropy manages binary files from servers. The binary tarball packages are precompiled using the Gentoo Linux unstable tree." < 1290008112 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, LFS. < 1290008115 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the best distro ever! < 1290008118 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use it or Ubuntu. Also shut up. < 1290008125 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yeah, that's because it's followed in Windows 7's footsteps. But since 7 < 95, presumably 95 is the newer and more advanced Windows to follow. < 1290008138 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ...verily < 1290008241 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It just occurred to me that, like people who think they're hardware savvy because they plugged a computer together, there must be hordes of Linux From Scratch users thinking they did something special, advanced, difficult, and unsupported, rather than just typing ./configure, make, and make install a lot. :( < 1290008259 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOOH < 1290008269 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The panels have optional hide buttons < 1290008271 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1290008286 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I hate you to death. < 1290008298 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can finally use Chromium properly! < 1290008325 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, I'm going to frame those last two lines on my wall, and then animate a short cartoon where you repeatedly hide and unhide the panels just because you can, and then I will send the napalm. < 1290008327 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you will burn to death. < 1290008346 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually < 1290008358 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc12-sgyl29-2-0-cust185.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1290008500 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1290008570 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION decides he hates the autohide stuff < 1290008581 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still want Fitt's Law to help out with Chromium tabs < 1290008640 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Fitts' < 1290008767 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Idonno, I think it would be difficult to go through all of LFS without accidentally gaining a LITTLE bit of savvy. < 1290008795 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yeah...but...it's not magic :P < 1290008813 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I mean, you have to compile the kernel, and you have to... compile gcc and glibc, I guess. < 1290008818 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: The rest is pretty plain-sailing. < 1290008826 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :....why does GNOME think my battery is charging? < 1290008854 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, < 1290008858 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAYBE YOUR FUCKING BATTERY IS CHARGING < 1290008870 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm at school and did not bring my charger < 1290008878 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My laptop is connected to nothing < 1290008889 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:28:10 Does VirtualBox really not have a screenshot feature? < 1290008892 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAYBE YOU SHOULD STOP CALLING FURTHER EDUCATION "SCHOOL" < 1290008896 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently Sgeo has never taken a screenshot in Windows before < 1290008904 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALL OF YOU AMERICANS < 1290008910 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S SO ANNOYING < 1290008944 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:16:54 "Around May 2008 all members of the Good OS team ceased to post in any blog, twitter, or any other web medium, including their own forum and website. While the website is still on-line, and gOS 3.1 can be downloaded, no sign of the developers has been heard of since then. Additionally there are no sources of gOS available. Development of gOS seems to have been stalled, and the official forum (http://forum.thinkgos.com/ ) was not m < 1290008944 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oderated any < 1290008944 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:16:54 more, was quickly overrun by Spam and was closed halfway through 2009 (one of the few life-signs of the GoodOS team after mid 2008)" < 1290008944 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:17:13 That is one of the creepiest things I have read (wrt all this OS stuff) < 1290008953 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They all got raped by Mark Shuttleworth's invisible hand of the free market. < 1290009301 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would love to see Sgeo using @ < 1290009393 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: HEY HOOVIE I'M IN SCHOOL GETTIN' MY DOCTORATE DEGREE. < 1290009409 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: hav u got ur packed lunch < 1290009420 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: In other words: YO DOG, THEY HEARD I LIKE SCHOOL SO THEY SCHOOL ME IN HOW TO SCHOOL SO I CAN SCHOOL WHILE I SCHOOL. < 1290009421 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, did mummy drive you there? < 1290009436 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GREGOR NEEDS A PLASTER BECAUSE HE TRIPPED < 1290009442 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;__; < 1290009466 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tripped on a KITTEN. < 1290009472 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which then said "mew". < 1290009490 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... needs ... a plaster? < 1290009516 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A plaster? < 1290009525 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of those sticky things you put on cuts? < 1290009529 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1290009551 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahaha you people and your foreign dialects. < 1290009570 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@137.125.188.14 JOIN :#esoteric < 1290009576 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1290009592 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, Ubuntu has issues with the wifi IN THIS ROOM < 1290009596 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::psyduck: < 1290009648 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, would you like to use @? < 1290009668 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to try it < 1290009678 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't feel like installing it on a real system though < 1290009753 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't exist yet, so there may be problems... < 1290009778 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But! It lacks WINDOWS. And FILES. And APPLICATIONS AS WE KNOW THEM. < 1290009794 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And KITTENS < 1290009807 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think Sgeo_ realises that @ is not Kitten. < 1290009812 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds awesome. As long as Ubuntu or some other major distro doesn't pull a GNOME and abruptly force it on everyone < 1290009832 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. . . < 1290009843 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: You... do realise it isn't based on Linux in the slightest? < 1290009867 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION couldn't think of a better analogy for the GNOME mess < 1290009876 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, should have realized it < 1290009909 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, it's the Lisp OS successor. < 1290009910 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about this: As long as Microsoft doesn't take it, rebrand it as Windows 8, and declare Windows 7 end-of-life < 1290009951 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION 's mind breaks < 1290009990 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1290010018 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WINDOWS. SODDING. EIGHT. < 1290010033 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT < 1290010104 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, when did you go completely incoherent? < 1290010140 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to hold on to my precious crappy analogy with GNOME Shell < 1290010150 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1290010190 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With GNOME Shell taking what might be a cool concept and forcing it on everyone < 1290010227 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft using @ is so utterly laughable words cannot express it. < 1290010247 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: I hate you I hate you I hate you < 1290010260 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Literally _every piece of software ever previously made in any language_ wouldn't work. < 1290010265 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, do you think I seriously thought that would happen? < 1290010272 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I like the idea of Microsoft adopting it when there's basically no way to do closed-source software at all. < 1290010273 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, GNOME Shell breaks GNOME panels, doesn't it? < 1290010277 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know WHAT you thought. < 1290010289 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Did I mention it doesn't have Chrome? < 1290010297 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Factor. < 1290010302 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume that a web browser will be written for it < 1290010315 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Probably not one with an especially fast JS engine. < 1290010315 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And an environment like it could actually get me to like a Lisp < 1290010325 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it could have one. < 1290010333 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes, but I can't be arsed to write one. < 1290010340 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JS → @ → raw x86 code. < 1290010350 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: And I don't particularly care whether it works with Gmail or anything. < 1290010359 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Did I mention no Smalltalk? < 1290010377 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I mention that I won't be installing it as my main OS? < 1290010381 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, but that would be the obvious way to implement a lot of languages. < 1290010398 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doing it on JS would probably be good practice or something. < 1290010421 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Also, it will automatically remove every other OS.. < 1290010423 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*OS. < 1290010436 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact I'm planning to distribute it by a web page that automatically installs it. < 1290010447 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it will also use exploits in various hypervisors to take over host systems! < 1290010465 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I thought it would have to play nicely with partitions? < 1290010471 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Nope. < 1290010485 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: There are more than a few... < 1290010510 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, you wouldn't need any other OSes anyway. < 1290010513 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if there's any malware in the wild that takes advantage of exploits < 1290010523 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, hypervisor exploits < 1290010547 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Please tell me that I'm using "hypervisor" correctly < 1290010548 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1290010677 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, you wouldn't be able to run AW on @. < 1290010722 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to assume that elliott isn't malicious enough to exploit hypervisor exploits < 1290010837 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_ would give up when he realises it doesn't have a single 3D effect. < 1290010842 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: you'd likely need to have root privs on the emulated system to be able to exploit a hypervisor exploit < 1290010858 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it's not a hypervisor, Sgeo_. < 1290010864 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hypervisors are things like Xen. < 1290011011 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_ has had a 3D seizure. < 1290011125 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once played with 3DNA < 1290011134 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It needs multiuser < 1290011161 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After you Google it, you'll kill me < 1290011169 0 :Meryle!~Meryle@69.73.219.250 JOIN :#esoteric < 1290011169 0 :Meryle!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*NOTICE* FREENODE IS K-LINING ALL UNREGISTERED NICKS IN 1 HOUR. PLEASE JOIN #FREENODE OR /MSG ANY STAFFER FOR FURTHER INSTRUCTIONS! < 1290011169 0 :Meryle!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1290011169 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Not a *single* 3D effect in @. Ever. < 1290011174 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yawn, more spam < 1290011217 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back in my day, spam was spam and trolling was trolling, never the two shall meat < 1290011219 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meet < 1290011231 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*never the twain shall meet, you illiterate bum. < 1290011241 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Not a SINGLE 3D effect. < 1290011283 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will it have any semblance of a GUI at all? < 1290011301 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Well, it'll use your display hardware to draw things. < 1290011303 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there's no icons. < 1290011305 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly text. < 1290011337 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"mostly"? < 1290011356 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Well, there are lines to divide panes. < 1290011491 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_ has had a 4D seizure. < 1290011516 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4D interface! < 1290011527 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_ just can't handle the lines, can you Sgeo_? < 1290011529 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lines are too much for any mortal. < 1290011531 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1290011534 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't handle the lines! < 1290011548 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is in class < 1290011584 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Class prevents lines. < 1290011596 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you behave badly. < 1290011685 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1290011688 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1290012262 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1290012973 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I’d long felt that combining a powerful static type system with functional coding would be almost ideal. " < 1290012992 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some person talking about Scala < 1290012999 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahahaha < 1290013061 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither powerful nor static are words I'd use to describe Java's type system < 1290013180 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"But guess what? In Scala, you can’t tell from looking at a method call if it’s going to store the closure or not. You might not even be able to tell from the ScalaDoc. You’ll probably end up going to the method and rooting around in the source code. If you can find it. Once again, the information that you need to know is scattered about." < 1290013182 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh < 1290013189 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what documentation is FOR, isn't it? < 1290013201 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rofffl < 1290013300 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : neither powerful nor static are words I'd use to describe Java's type system < 1290013302 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scala has its own < 1290013309 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of Java's typing is at compile-time :P < 1290013354 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :allegedly < 1290013390 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my opinion, it isn't fun until ((.)(.)) is a valid expression < 1290013403 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah yes, the boobies operator. < 1290013561 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My professor was just showing us an index of programming languages in use in industry < 1290013566 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell was above Scala < 1290013644 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, TIOBE? < 1290013647 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lollll < 1290013700 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: because Haskell is a good language < 1290013782 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets Minecraft. < 1290013905 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT MINECRAFT < 1290013905 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARGH < 1290013928 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MINECRAFT IS THE NEW WOW < 1290014016 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: Yes, but with Minecraft you don't have to socialise. < 1290014121 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java is definitely statically typed < 1290014133 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But what about all the block types you can only get in 64-dude raids! < 1290014133 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a very /good/ type system, but it's definitely a static one < 1290014204 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: heh, 64-dude < 1290014252 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the gender-neutral dude. < 1290014271 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though I've seen "dudette" used too.) < 1290014344 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I was just commenting on the power-of-twoness. < 1290014401 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I just assumed, since most things stack to piles of 64, so. < 1290014429 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1290014471 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick, minecraft is awesome. :P < 1290014492 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it doesn't even work < 1290014509 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick, try sun-jvm rather than openjdk if you get a black screen < 1290014524 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: how am I supposed to change that < 1290014533 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick, depends on your linux distro < 1290014558 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, btw I decided that the fort will have 8 towers: the corners and middle of the sides. And they will be high and be in brick. < 1290014563 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means finding a lot of clay < 1290014574 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: lawl < 1290014590 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: how am I supposed to change that < 1290014592 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm going for Gregor style in colours :P < 1290014593 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a windows user < 1290014594 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or os x?) < 1290014603 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ubuntu 10.04 < 1290014634 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick, hm. Lets see. You enable the partner repo in the package repo selection thingy < 1290014642 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then update the package list < 1290014648 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then select sun-jvm and such < 1290014672 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt yorick has bought the game. < 1290014681 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meaning that alas, poor yorick, it won't work unless you buy it. < 1290014698 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, enable sun plugin for the classic one in the browser < 1290014706 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1290014709 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a separate package < 1290014711 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: shh...I'm decompiling and 'fixing' it < 1290014715 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1290014715 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: lolfail < 1290014717 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: It won't work. < 1290014737 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick, it logs in then downloads the full game. < 1290014738 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so uh < 1290014741 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that won't work < 1290014744 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: Unless you hAX0R the server to give you it. Which would require fooling it into thinking you have paid, so GOOD LUCK MR. 1337 < 1290014744 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: shh... < 1290014752 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Shh! My powers defy LOGIC!" < 1290014756 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick, you could pirate it of course. If that is your thing < 1290014757 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that < 1290014758 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're a moron. < 1290014767 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my powers defy logic thing) < 1290014831 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, will someone summarise or do I have to read scrollback? < 1290014834 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, what's a bit strange is: my single-player "World 1" shows "0.0 MB" as the size, has been like that ever since I first visited the Nether. < 1290014865 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 50kB is quite a lot, and anything less would be 0.0 MB when rounded < 1290014874 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: minecraft sucks < 1290014889 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The rest of the worlds are about 2 to 7 MB. < 1290014903 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION off to dinner! < 1290014917 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And World 1 was also at least >5 before I did that first Nether visit.) < 1290014951 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :minecraft's beginning to irritate me to the extent that Inception does < 1290014954 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote fizzie: 50kB is quite a lot < 1290014964 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :260| fizzie: 50kB is quite a lot < 1290014970 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that it seems to completely clog up unrelated channels < 1290014978 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: tl;dr summary: yorick (1) complains about Minecraft, (2) says "YEAH WELL IT DOESN'T EVEN WORK ANYWAY", (3) is told how to install the right JVM, (4) says that he's decompiling the game to get it to work after being told he'd need to buy it for it to work, despite the fact that all the authentication is server-side < 1290014984 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's around 1/3rd of a typical 3.5 inch floppy disk < 1290014994 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then (5) reverts back to hating minecraft while seemingly wanting to "hax0r" it anyway < 1290015006 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Minecraft fans can be irritating, but it is a good game. < 1290015006 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's fair enough < 1290015014 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, 500 kB would be around third of a typical, 1.44 MB modern floppy. < 1290015028 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: my understanding is NetHack : Diablo :: Dwarf Fortress : Minecraft < 1290015035 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It's hardly fair to complain about #esoteric being clogged up with irrelevant stuff when it's hardly ever not. :) < 1290015039 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :METAFONT seems a bit simpler program than TeX, it has less sections and less pages than TeX. < 1290015040 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ah, out by an order of 10 < 1290015041 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, no, Minecraft is nothing like Dwarf Fortress < 1290015047 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I thought it was inspired by it < 1290015051 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, possibly < 1290015058 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although not having an equivalent to dwarves makes a major difference < 1290015065 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's more like Lego on ...not crack; heroin? < 1290015084 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also, with monsters. so you build shelters. out of lego. uh. It sounds shitty when you explain it :P < 1290015089 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguably, you could say NetHack was nothing like Diablo < 1290015091 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, the fanbase is... eurgh. < 1290015097 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's certainly a resemblence < 1290015129 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, Minecraft has no predetermined goal and you don't *have* to do anything except survive (which is trivial if you disable monsters by going into Peaceful mode) < 1290015137 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: which is a bit different from dwarf fortress, really... < 1290015183 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's very like Dwarf Fortress, which also has no predefined goal and doesn't require doing anything but surviving < 1290015205 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: dwarf fortress also takes place on a finite grid, as far as I know < 1290015219 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a large, finite, 3D grid nowadays < 1290015220 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: whereas minecraft takes place on a (well, 200 terabytes max) infinite world < 1290015231 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see that as a major difference, though < 1290015233 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wait, since when is Dwarf Fortress 3D? < 1290015240 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since, um, a while ago < 1290015245 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried playing Dwarf Fortress once, I do not particularly like the game, I cannot figure it out and it is slow and there seems to be some things missing? < 1290015245 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it still has a 2D interface, though < 1290015249 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning it's really confusing < 1290015253 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1290015284 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1290015307 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I haven't actually played DF, but I don't get a Minecraft impression from what I hear of it. < 1290015318 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a true successor to the first Slaves to Armok: God of Blood, then; since that was a really confusing game too. < 1290015345 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: think Minecraft except realtime strategy < 1290015345 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: [[In "Adventurer mode", the player controls an individual dwarf, human, or elf. There is no goal apart from survival. Players may either receive quests to kill monsters, which provide no specific reward, or wander freely and slaughter local fauna. Gameplay is fairly minimal; "Fortress mode" has received the bulk of the developer's attention.]] < 1290015354 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok, that sounds like Minecraft, except Minecraft actually has things to do < 1290015358 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Fortress mode is the one people play < 1290015359 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and mechanics < 1290015360 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in DF < 1290015361 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: right < 1290015371 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think when slaves to armok gets ready, its weather model will be user for weather forecasts, and the US army will use the nuclear blast spell for nuke tests < 1290015376 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you imagine that each of the individual dwarves is playing Minecraft according to an AI < 1290015377 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm saying that Adventurer mode sounds sort of like Minecraft before it got interesting < 1290015379 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: :D < 1290015380 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which you have mild control over < 1290015385 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's fortress mode < 1290015396 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like to think fizzie has an advanced search system for his entire IRC logs. < 1290015397 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: brilliant < 1290015403 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He just typed "/relevant slaves to armok" there. < 1290015409 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: grep -r works pretty well < 1290015421 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not fuzzy enough < 1290015426 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also, quite slow < 1290015448 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did Slaves to Armok: God of Blood (Chapter I) ever actually get completed, fizzie? < 1290015450 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The site seems... dormant. < 1290015457 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Context: "Does this game support anything else than walking?"] < 1290015459 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : it does < 1290015459 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : press the foot button and change speed < 1290015459 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : from the slider < 1290015459 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : however, you'll get exhausted quickly, fall over and hug the ground for hours < 1290015459 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : so watch that stamina < 1290015464 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :August 8th, 2006 < 1290015464 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I've been secretly working on an adventure mode inside of Chapter II: Dwarf Fortress. Now that dwarves has been released, this will be the natural continuation of Armok. See you over there! < 1290015464 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :September 27th, 2004 < 1290015464 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've updated the "You Finally Aren't Naked" a bit: Armok 0.04.51. It shouldn't crash during heat cone spells now, and you can specify your character a bit more in the creation screens. < 1290015467 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523: Minecraft fans can be irritating, but it is a good game. <-- and those who want to be fans but don't want to pay for it tend to be even more annoying. Examples: nooga, yorick. < 1290015470 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it did. < 1290015487 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Clearly yorick doesn't want to be a fan. < 1290015511 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact it's something that rings a bell as a certain type of behaviour I've seen before, but not in this form -- "game sucks! Rabble rabble! [Uninformed natter]" "well I'm getting it to work with my SKILLZ" < 1290015515 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Despite the utter contradiction there. < 1290015519 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well. that is even worse. < 1290015533 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Man, what's Chapter III gonna be like. < 1290015561 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slaves to Armok: God of Blood, Chapter III: Sorting /dev/urandom, Prologue: Part I < 1290015564 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : the messages are the best part of the game < 1290015565 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Tongue severed! Third finger severed! < 1290015574 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's got a very detailed damage model. < 1290015580 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Add mooz to fungot. Now! :p < 1290015581 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but if it's little ai scripts and storyline stuff, then the infantry will be lost in translation. :-p < 1290015581 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also walk on one finger. < 1290015586 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1290015586 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: clearly, you just need to control all the entropy in the universe so /dev/urandom comes out in sorted order < 1290015597 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1290015597 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc* jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube < 1290015607 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a brilliant fungot comment < 1290015607 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and other languages if you want to think about adding it to mycology!!! < 1290015617 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mistake, and confusing tar output: < 1290015618 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott@dinky:~$ tar xf http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/df_31_18_linux.tar.bz2tar: Cannot connect to http: resolve failed < 1290015625 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, s/bz2tar/bz2\ntar/ < 1290015636 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the playable Armok races is "flesh ball". < 1290015640 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : they can't move. hit them and get "Og the flesh ball screams in pain. Og the flesh ball passes out." < 1290015644 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmph, Dwarf Fortress is dynamically-linked. < 1290015648 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1290015649 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : and no matter what you do to him then, he'll just remain in that state < 1290015651 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what is the context of those quotes? < 1290015662 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Slaves to Armok: God of Blood, Chapter I. < 1290015665 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1290015678 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except it wasn't called Chapter I then. < 1290015683 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, sounds familiar... Trying to remember which one it is < 1290015684 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :These are from 2003 or so. < 1290015701 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I mean, you can individually set the boiling point, density, color and rarity of the left foot 4th toe hair material < 1290015708 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Chapter II is called Dwarf Fortress. < 1290015722 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah! < 1290015737 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (Chapter III is called Sorting /dev/urandom; currently, the Prologue is being worked on, of which the first part is out -- Slaves to Armok: God of Blood, Chapter III: Sorting /dev/urandom, Prologue: Part I.) < 1290015743 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (Note: Lies.) < 1290015754 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, :P < 1290015766 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I mean, you can individually set the boiling point, density, color and rarity of the left foot 4th toe hair material < 1290015768 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there can be no better game < 1290015801 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, but... Can't I can't control the viscosity? < 1290015807 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1290015812 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's also another person playing the game: < 1290015813 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/can't// < 1290015814 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<@iood> UHH your dog crucifixion skill has increased from neophyte to beginner :p < 1290015827 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is this a parody? :D < 1290015831 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't think so :) < 1290015833 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it actually like that < 1290015842 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I think it's actually like that. < 1290015842 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NetHack is so boring! < 1290015847 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It lacks these FEATURES. < 1290015857 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1290015891 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe it was supposed to just include a totally complete simulation of (a) reality. Isn't DF a bit like that too? < 1290015893 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, where can one get this game? < 1290015908 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Dwarf Fortress is http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/features.html, and has a Linux binary. (It is closed source.) < 1290015910 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: since when did reality include masses of dwarves, elves and goblins? < 1290015917 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Chapter I is a free Windows binary; probably Wine works. < 1290015925 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://www.bay12games.com/armok/ < 1290015925 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1290015932 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well, that's why it was "a reality", not "the". < 1290015934 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, was chapter 2 FOSS or? I don't remember < 1290015944 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's fun for about seven minutes, then you just desperately want to kill all the little buggers and stop playing. < 1290015958 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No. But it does have a free Linux binary. < 1290015963 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: This is what Dwarf Fortress looks like: http://diceofdoom.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/dwarffortress-big.png < 1290015963 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1290015980 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh, I took your (a) as introducing an ordered list of one element < 1290015988 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hard to find a screenshot of chapter I that definitely isn't a screenshot of chapter II. < 1290015993 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a rather fun misinterpretation < 1290016004 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, btw built a moderately secure dock inside the mountain. possible to see it all from behind the doors to spot enemies before you open the doors and such < 1290016009 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: heh < 1290016022 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Will you turn off Peaceful now? :P < 1290016030 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to see a code for a roguelike game that is versatile enough (but not too complicated in the implementaion) that you can have not only any race/class combination, but your character can be any kind of creature in the game, and that things can be added without interrupting existing things, and so on < 1290016052 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, No. When I have the roof lit and the corner towers built. Then it is time < 1290016062 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be AWESOME to have a roguelike that has an actual physics engine. < 1290016065 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow. < 1290016072 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that weapons are just coded objects, or whatever. < 1290016074 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For example, adding a new scroll without having to edit the code for scrolls in general, only add a new section to the code.) < 1290016188 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as if you program it in Enhanced CWEB and there is one chapter for the kinds of scrolls, you write one section for each scroll, the code generation features in Enhanced CWEB should work good enough to make this work? < 1290016189 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Osama Bin Laden lives in a Dwarf Fortress: http://i.somethingawful.com/inserts/articlepics/photoshop/binladenfortress/originalfortress-hoopa.gif < 1290016194 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, they have physics already. Just very different physics from this reality < 1290016201 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, but all the physics reactions are hardcoded. < 1290016208 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I mean a totally generic roguelike engine, just physics + object definitions. < 1290016214 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ala ragdoll physics games < 1290016219 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well they are the fundamental laws of physics in that universe < 1290016225 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (A la minecraft, sort of :P) < 1290016246 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh my: http://i.imgur.com/ch2PM.png < 1290016263 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently this gentlemen died because something had sexual intercourse with a wound in his skull. < 1290016271 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... am not sure if that is emergent behaviour or not. < 1290016278 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Not to ruin the joke, but just in case anyone was confused on this, it was holding a loincloth in its hand and it decided to beat him to death with it." < 1290016279 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or that. < 1290016310 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1290016359 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :./libs/Dwarf_Fortress: error while loading shared libraries: libSDL-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory < 1290016360 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ls /usr/lib/libSDL-1.2.so.0 < 1290016360 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/lib/libSDL-1.2.so.0 < 1290016362 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1290016371 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ls -l < 1290016372 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on it < 1290016381 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, maybe it is a broken symlink < 1290016382 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Links to a perfectly existing file. < 1290016386 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Oh, ./df is a shell script. < 1290016389 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It probably does something WRONG < 1290016391 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, file /usr/lib/libSDL-1.2.so.0 ./libs/Dwarf_Fortress < 1290016396 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, 32/64 perhaps? < 1290016401 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ file /usr/lib/libSDL-1.2.so.0 ./libs/Dwarf_Fortress < 1290016401 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/lib/libSDL-1.2.so.0: symbolic link to `libSDL-1.2.so.0.11.3' < 1290016401 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :./libs/Dwarf_Fortress: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, stripped < 1290016402 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohh. < 1290016403 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1290016410 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Silly I. < 1290016423 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you need the multilib packages < 1290016426 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, Debian has no 32-bit SDL. < 1290016445 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wtf < 1290016447 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could have a generic roguelike engine with just physics + object definitions, but I think such thing could be slow and not work well and various other problems, too. Try my way of a roguelike engine see whether it works better? < 1290016451 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, even arch has that < 1290016466 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, does it have zsnes? If yes then it must have a 32-bit sd < 1290016467 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sdl* < 1290016469 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: There's a 32-bit ncurses though! < 1290016470 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure SDL is in ia32-libs or what was that generic package. < 1290016474 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh, okay. < 1290016484 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be lacking some symlinks though, I had some related problems like that. < 1290016486 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No zsnes in amd64, though. Just checked. < 1290016491 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There < 1290016497 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION installs ia32-libs < 1290016498 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s no zsnes, that's true. < 1290016508 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many things in the "Criticize" section did you believe? http://www.digitalmzx.net/wiki/index.php?title=Super_ASCII_MZX_Town < 1290016509 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1290016510 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how strange < 1290016513 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :snes9x-gtk is better than zsnes anyway. < 1290016521 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: bsnes is better :P < 1290016541 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I spose if your system is fast enough ... which mine probably is, I've never actually tested it :P < 1290016550 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That's actually a myth. < 1290016569 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It has three modes; the insane one requires a good computer, the medium one requires a regular computer, the low one requires just about anything. < 1290016575 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm < 1290016579 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You can sacrifice anality for speed. < 1290016590 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: *My* problem was that the audio didn't like to sync without stuttering, which I blame on Linux audio for sucking. < 1290016609 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: No 32-bit gtk. < 1290016611 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It used to be so that zsnes was a lot faster than snes9x; but that was way back when. < 1290016615 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Andreas Naive has a funny name. < 1290016616 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait. < 1290016618 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ia32-libs-gtk < 1290016620 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sacrifice anality for speed? Maybe instead you can sacrifice sanity for wood. < 1290016625 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: He isn't in the dictionary. < 1290016638 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I should hope so, although his last name ought to be. < 1290016641 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Or is that Andreas Gullible? < 1290016651 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Andreas Gal-lible < 1290016665 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ./libs/Dwarf_Fortress: error while loading shared libraries: libSDL_image-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory < 1290016666 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: lol < 1290016686 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That it might not have, then. < 1290016691 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though Ubuntu ia32-libs does. < 1290016709 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, TUB UNTU. < 1290016713 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A tub unto. < 1290016714 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TUBGIRL < 1290016725 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought latest Debian also had facilities to automagically handle the installation of any "libfoo" package from 32-bit Debian properly into 64-bit multilib mess, but I have no idea whether they actually got that working or enabled it by default. < 1290016772 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Abandonando < 1290016832 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That would require recompilation, unless the entire 32-bit repository's libraries think they're in /usr/lib32. Probably they think they're in /usr/lib. < 1290016834 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may be wrong. < 1290016875 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I don't think it directly used the 32-bit repo packages. < 1290016923 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On Dwarf Fortress: http://i.imgur.com/nqfS9.png < 1290016975 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey Vorpal can evil things sink to the bottom of the sea????? < 1290016980 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a creeper is above me in the water right now < 1290016986 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i heard noise < 1290017104 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god it was zombie < 1290017106 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie why so scary < 1290017147 0 :Wamanuz3!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1290017251 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please tell me which list items in the "Criticize" section you think are correct or partially correct or whatever opinion < 1290017269 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only thing I can find still referring to that thing is that in squeeze, ia32-libs has 101 conflicts, most of which are of the form "ia32-libsomething", and I think those were how the autogenerated packages were named. It seems to possibly have been abandoned. < 1290017301 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What section? < 1290017329 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The third section, titled "Criticize". < 1290017358 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: context seems to be http://www.digitalmzx.net/wiki/index.php?title=Super_ASCII_MZX_Town < 1290017367 0 :Wamanuz2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1290017378 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err. < 1290017383 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has zzo38 actually linked to that before? < 1290017391 0 :sshc_!~sshc@unaffiliated/sshc JOIN :#esoteric < 1290017409 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so he has. < 1290017455 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: My new strategy is to swim at night. < 1290017460 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just swim. Constantly. < 1290017522 0 :sshc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1290017574 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I died! < 1290017596 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :drowning? < 1290017638 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you swim, you can't really do anything can you? < 1290017643 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, I got into a dead end and there was a Creeper there (follows you silently, screams, and then explodes, dealing a lot of damage); I retreated, and got onto some land since I couldn't really swim, < 1290017647 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: where there was a zombie < 1290017652 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was after a creeper had exploded on me < 1290017656 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the exploding penis? < 1290017659 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fought valiantly, but in a few seconds I died. < 1290017663 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: if you swim you can fight < 1290017665 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHO NEEDS MORE < 1290017674 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: NetHack is so boring, make it better < 1290017685 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: like maybe cut out all the normal dungeon levels < 1290017758 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Do you think that would make NetHack better? < 1290017815 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes < 1290017906 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Then modify it to do that < 1290017925 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1290018014 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Gehennom is the most boring part, really; the rest of the game works pretty well < 1290018024 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I find the stock levels pretty boring! < 1290018030 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm even used to Gehennom nowadays (it was actually far from boring in my last ascension) < 1290018042 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I watched Wooble ascend -- or was it fail to ascend? -- once; he was on the Planes and it was AWESOME. < 1290018052 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He kept farming puddings while lava warped around him and then praying about 100 times. < 1290018058 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then inexplicably teleported to different levels. < 1290018064 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sure didn't understand it but it looked fun. < 1290018069 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also he was overburdened most of the time. < 1290018088 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who pudding-farms on the Planes? < 1290018095 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Wooble < 1290018099 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, that sounds like the sort of thing Wooble /would/ do < 1290018099 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: technically, i don't think he farmed them < 1290018108 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but he /did/ offer a ton of them to his god < 1290018111 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like 50 in a row < 1290018137 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what was that player that failed to ascend with like 394578348957349579485 gems because of a stupid mistake? < 1290018142 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DeathOnAStick < 1290018145 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I watched him try again (and succeed) a while back. < 1290018161 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The guy is... amazingly retro. He played without colours, without any graphics, without using walk, without... anything. < 1290018166 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plain ASCII, all defaults. < 1290018188 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It was utterly boring: he had like 5 pet goblins, and they kept dropping stuff he gave to them, so he moved around and gave it back. Literally that for 15 minutes or so. < 1290018197 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I felt his pain^Wutter OCD insanity. < 1290018240 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph, http://nethackwiki.com/wiki/DeathOnAStick doesn't note the achievement < 1290018253 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pudding farming on the planes? awesome < 1290018269 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe he didn't actually ascend < 1290018272 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he did, though < 1290018275 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recall celebration < 1290018297 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think the problem with NetHack is that it'd be a lot more fun if 90% of it was automatic :) < 1290018329 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it wouldn't be nethack then though < 1290018338 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: indeed, it'd be better! < 1290018365 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well that could be argued about. Personally I suspect I would find both playable < 1290018395 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I mean, I'm okay at NetHack I think, I can now get to the mines without asking for help every single turn, but it just gets so boring at one point and I give up. < 1290018397 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, which of the criticize you believe/opinion/option? < 1290018405 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1290018411 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(@ zzo38) < 1290018415 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But I'll always fondly remember the time I killed a member of the Watch and lived to tell the tale. < 1290018421 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Admittedly that had all of #nethack working on a solution. < 1290018428 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (The solution involved stealing. No joke.) < 1290018429 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, heh < 1290018431 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I mean this one http://www.digitalmzx.net/wiki/index.php?title=Super_ASCII_MZX_Town < 1290018437 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, stealing his sabre? < 1290018442 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Nope, way better. < 1290018450 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, can't run browser atm. Would result in swap trash < 1290018456 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh? < 1290018469 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: OK. Will plain text do? < 1290018471 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: What I had to do was make it to a shop (hard when everyone's trying to kill you!), pick something up, escape the shop without paying, and then RUN AROUND TO THE FRONT OF THE SHOP, where the shkeep is -- this is while the Watch are trying to kill me. < 1290018476 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Then I repaid his debt. < 1290018479 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: This pacified the Watch. < 1290018490 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I'm not likely to look at it anyway. < 1290018491 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Evidently, they do not keep track of what they're angry at you for, and so any reconciling you do calms them no matter what it's for. < 1290018506 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.digitalmzx.net/wiki/index.php?title=Super_ASCII_MZX_Town&action=raw&ctype=text/css < 1290018511 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hahaa < 1290018535 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what did you do to annoy them though? < 1290018544 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Killed a Watchman, as I said. < 1290018558 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah missed that bit < 1290018560 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (Why? One of my dogs (I had about 5 pets) started attacking one, and I was dumb enough to join in.) < 1290018563 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and why did you do that? < 1290018569 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1290018570 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Most of my pets died at the hands of the Watch after that. RIP. < 1290018581 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (I fled to the floor above to regain my HP which was at like 14 by the time I escaped.) < 1290018590 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh, and even after I pacified the Watch, that wasn't the end of it < 1290018597 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: since I had incredibly low HP from them attacking me < 1290018625 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: specifically, I sat there to regain health, when a jackal approached me... long story short, I spent the next 150 turns writing Elbereth into the dirt with my fingers. < 1290018629 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or more.) < 1290018704 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh, that's when you steal from a shop and then pay for the stuff you stole, in order to show the police you are law-abiding after all honest? < 1290018718 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes < 1290018735 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: apparently, murdering someone, stealing something and then paying it back is better than just murdering someone < 1290018777 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The most epic parts were running into the shop -- it wasn't near the entrance to the floor -- and then running from outside the shop round to the front (I blew a hole in the shop's walls, but the only direction it went was towards the Watch, so I basically walked right into their path) < 1290018782 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which terminals or terminal emulators support all of the escape commands in this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANSI_escape_code < 1290018841 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what libcs does c-intercal work with? < 1290018988 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, a lot I presume. Though possibly with reduced functionality. It needs GCC for some of the weird stuff. < 1290018999 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: libc not cc < 1290019011 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, But if it mostly works on MPW then it mostly works on anything. And MPW definitely didn't use glibc :P < 1290019013 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: zzo38 < 1290019024 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But will it work with dietlibc? :) < 1290019039 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try it? < 1290019051 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: do you consider Inform 7 an esolang? < 1290019054 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But I'd rather ask first! < 1290019058 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: probably < 1290019122 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@j-96.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1290019231 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what soundcrad do you use again? < 1290019360 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, "Soundblaster Live! 5.1" < 1290019367 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming you meant card < 1290019370 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not crad < 1290019404 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, what soundCRAD! < 1290019411 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (hmm, was there ever a non-5.1 SBL!? :P) < 1290019419 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if you can still purchase Sound Blasters < 1290019430 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soundcrud. < 1290019446 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there was at least a Live! Value before they tagged 5.1 to the name. < 1290019450 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "The DSP had an internal fixed sample rate of 48 kHz, a standard AC'97 clock, meaning that the EMU10K1 always captured external audio-sources at the 48 kHz, then performed a sample-rate conversion on the 48 kHz waveform to the output the requested target rate (such as 44.1 kHz or 32 kHz). This rate-conversion step introduced IM distortion into the downsampled output. The SB/Live had great difficulty with resampling audio-CD source materia < 1290019450 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :l (44.1 kHz) without introducing audible distortion." < 1290019482 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1290019504 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm. Wouldn't the audio-CD be read by the OS instead? < 1290019509 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1290019533 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Sure, but if the OS sends it as 44.1 kHz there'll be distortion. < 1290019537 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Either way, the OS has to resample it. < 1290019540 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway. Presumably the software does it. Since the result is great. < 1290019547 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not either way, you know what I mean. < 1290019619 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@j-96.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1290019639 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway the obvious solution is to use lcm() ;P < 1290019706 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, lcm(44100, 48000) = 7056000, so you're proposing a 7 megahertz sound system. < 1290019744 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm green roofs are all the rage nowdays iirc. So why not use some roof space to grow wheat on my castle? :D < 1290019759 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so I am < 1290019772 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" On the notices: what we are asking is that you do not link to your fork on the main page of this wiki, instead, please point to this discussion or another page that explains the situation. Linking to the fork on this page (or whichever you point to) is just fine. We are also asking that you make clear that this wiki will still be here, so that anyone who wants to stay or adopt it in the future understands that they can do so. We are generall < 1290019772 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y leaving notices in place for about 2 weeks, then removing them to allow the wiki a chance to revive." < 1290019774 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--Wikia, being dicks < 1290019780 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what is it that drives them to behave like this? < 1290019835 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"To revive" is a nice way of saying "to confuse non-regular visitors". < 1290019888 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, they've added a "MakeshiftSitenotice" template to a "minority" of pages to satisfy Wikia, i.e. all the important ones: http://nethack.wikia.com/wiki/Category:MakeshiftSitenotice < 1290019893 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Please leave this notice here unless you assume responsibility for this page." < 1290019910 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The point is that no one is going to do that, with those notices in place. The right to fork goes two ways, and this wiki should have every chance to be adopted and revived if that's its future." < 1290019917 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, fuck off, NetHack players don't need your bullshit. < 1290019933 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I accept that you are moving on, I hope that you will accept that you can't do that and control the wiki you are leaving." < 1290019937 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think I've figured it out < 1290019958 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Wikia said they were a wiki host, but then they decided, retroactively, that they were an inter-wiki community < 1290019970 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: therefore, whoever submitted the request to create the wiki is irrelevant, sort of like Usenet groups < 1290019984 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, this is phenomenally unfair given that this was *not* their original purpose. < 1290019986 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: where specifically was that Wikia message? < 1290019994 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://nethack.wikia.com/wiki/Wikihack:Community_Portal < 1290019998 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :near the bottom < 1290020007 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you think my interpretation of Wikia's thinking is correct? < 1290020030 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly < 1290020037 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, I just had to add ?useskin=monobook to that < 1290020045 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I should write a Firefox extension to do that automatically < 1290020060 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"3.4.4 seems unlikely, unless a major security hole is discovered" --[[NetHackWiki:Next version]] < 1290020064 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the idea of a security hole in NetHack. < 1290020072 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :major security holes /have/ been discovered < 1290020076 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how :D < 1290020089 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. if you install NetHack suid root, as some distros apparently do, it's possible to compromise the system through them < 1290020115 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :News of the #tip command was leaked in July 2003 by Pat Rankin in this RGRN post: < 1290020115 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In February 2008, Pat Rankin revealed in this post: < 1290020116 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there are exploitable buffer overflows and dangling pointer bugs < 1290020117 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In May 2008, Pat Rankin wrote in this post: < 1290020120 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In March 2009, Pat Rankin wrote in this post: < 1290020122 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rumors that Pat has since been executed by the other DevTeam members for these frequent breaches of secrecy remain unconfirmed. < 1290020125 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was about to say :) < 1290020128 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pat Rankin is the only devteam member who ever contacts anyone < 1290020150 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no longer any evidence that the devteam have any members but Pat < 1290020154 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The others have all gone and ascended, maybe. < 1290020169 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do the devteam actually *play* nethack? one would think they would have *some* sort of desire to be in the nethack community, if they did < 1290020197 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[When reporting bugs to the DevTeam, it is possible that the responding member of the DevTeam reveals some information about the current development code concerning the reported bug.]] < 1290020219 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : The right to fork goes two ways, and this wiki should have every chance to be adopted and revived if that's its future. < 1290020237 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's what made me realise that Wikia don't consider wikis to be owned by their founders or community < 1290020242 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike their old position as a wiki host < 1290020249 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: bhaak and I have been deliberately using that method to attempt to answer questions we needed to know about 3.5, for various reasons < 1290020263 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why did you need to know? < 1290020292 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also, I have a feeling that the next NetHack release might be the last < 1290020320 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that implies that there will be a next release < 1290020331 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I mean, they're too conservative to wildly change anything, and they've been incrementally fixing the code since, what, NetHack 3.0.0? < 1290020338 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if the current official devteam wants to abandon NetHack for any reason, there'd be plenty of people available to continue the project < 1290020343 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so I have a feeling that they've spent the last few years combing over every line of code < 1290020351 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: making it as perfect as they can < 1290020365 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and then they'll release NetHack 3.5.0, and state that any bugs are official, set-in-stone features < 1290020378 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I can't think of any other explanation for the near-complete silence and *huge* delay even for them. < 1290020390 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: then I can use something like the boulder routing overflow to take over the game < 1290020401 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how do you know they won't fix that? < 1290020408 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that one's really subtle, I had to change the code in such a way it was easy to trigger by mistake to find it) < 1290020421 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I mean, they've been getting bug reports on the latest release since 2003 < 1290020432 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know they won't find and fix it, but it's possible they won't < 1290020438 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not going to report it? < 1290020506 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway, just as NetHack is the picking-up of Hack, clearly any community-continued effort on NetHack would have to have a new name < 1290020509 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: GitHack? :-P < 1290020514 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1290020527 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: (WorldHack? UniHack?) < 1290020531 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, although SporkHack deliberately doesn't want to be NetHack continued, I'm sure UnNetHack wouldn't mind picking up the torch < 1290020537 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think people would likely start form an existing fork < 1290020548 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but they're liberal forks < 1290020550 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRCHack would be pretty accurate for how things are organised nowadays < 1290020553 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they change a lot of gameplay and the like < 1290020557 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ah, IRCHack sounds like the perfect name < 1290020562 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm making a non-liberal fork, very slowly as I'm relatively busy < 1290020588 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, yes, but (1) AceHack is a terrible name :) and (2) it's more a UI fixup, isn't it? < 1290020602 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: haha, paxed has only ascended twice < 1290020630 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's a UI and bug fixup < 1290020636 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that's what I think NetHack needs right now < 1290020650 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523: I can't think of any other explanation for the near-complete silence and *huge* delay even for them. <-- I have an alternative idea < 1290020653 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: just rename it IRCHack, then, when NetHack development stops :) < 1290020658 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully, everything should be uncontroversial apart from removing attempts to use deliberately bad UI to balance the game < 1290020659 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: They're merging with Dwarf Fortress? < 1290020661 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I concur. < 1290020662 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the lead developer bet heavily on DNF being released first! < 1290020673 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1290020676 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's not long to wait < 1290020678 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's almost out < 1290020684 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, indeed. < 1290020685 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011 < 1290020693 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it better be perfect < 1290020695 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, presumably it will be delayed again < 1290020705 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, no, because the original devteam have been kicked off the project :) < 1290020714 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: and all the perfectionists are presumably gone < 1290020715 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1290020726 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2K_Games < 1290020729 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I think the project makes anyone perfectionlist < 1290020731 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who bought up the rights < 1290020733 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfectionist* < 1290020751 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: DNF is more like 5 games that they keep scrapping without releasing :) < 1290020753 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every time they rewrite < 1290020762 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Jason Hall, host of The Jace Hall Show, featured Duke Nukem Forever in the show's premiere episode on June 4, 2008 and described his hands-on play experience with the game as "perfect", ending the segment with "I saw it. They have been working. It's not a myth. You're going to be pleased."[99] In a subsequent interview with 1UP.com, he described the game as "amazing" with the summation, "This might be the only game in history worth waiting 12 y < 1290020762 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ears for, perhaps longer.... It was good."[100] On 21 September, 2010, Hall confirmed, in an interview with Triplebeard.com, that there is a surprise for Duke fans when Season 4 of The Jace Hall Show debuts in mid-to-end of October, 2010.[101]]] < 1290020824 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in fact, if I was the Dev Team, I'd release 3.5.0 as 4.0.0 or something < 1290020828 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just 4 < 1290020832 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't need 0s if it's the last version! < 1290020887 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4.0.0.0.0r0b0a0 Zero Edition < 1290021011 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As we have been committed to publishing cutting-edge games, it's obvious that Duke Nukem Forever belongs on the g.o.d. label," said Mike Wilson, CEO of Gathering. "Between this game and Max Payne, 3D Realms will be regarded as the undisputed king of both first-and third-person shooters by the end of next year. To be part of that has been a dream of Gathering's since our inception." < 1290021089 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what's the date of that quote? < 1290021099 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: 2000 < 1290021111 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :personally, I find the most hilarious fact about DNF is that it was under continuous development for most of the time it was missing < 1290021120 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they kept doing complete rewrites with different engines, which is what slowed it down < 1290021126 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yep < 1290021129 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: (also, "missing"?) < 1290021256 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, being continuously bumped < 1290021487 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://nethackwiki.com/wiki/NetHackWiki:Next_version_pool look at all the dead, crossed-out fools < 1290021500 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[# December 24th --Feagradze 03:56, June 28, 2010 (UTC) Two days after the end of the world, it will be announced that NetHack version 4.0 is actually a Hollywood slapstick action-comedy starring Izchak Miller as the player character. Slogan: "You'll laugh. You'll cry. You'll think. You'll die." It will be availble via Astral Plane Motion Pictures (APMP, for short).]] < 1290021541 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[edit] 5736650863230 (Sun entered into red giant phase) < 1290021541 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * Version releaced by octopus like alien race - Kogut < 1290021797 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[edit] Already < 1290021798 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if they released it on some obscure website no one here knows about? 22:30, August 6, 2010 (UTC) < 1290021799 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that's just silly < 1290021808 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@137.125.180.96 JOIN :#esoteric < 1290021813 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, there are no bets for 2011 on that list < 1290021819 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conspiracy! < 1290021866 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 Jolicloud < 1290021869 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1290022040 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hi < 1290022085 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: aren't you from germany? < 1290022318 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: The far-northwestern part of Germany. < 1290022325 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So far northwest you'd swear you were in the UK. < 1290022335 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: oh < 1290022338 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ok < 1290023645 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION figures out what patches to add to nethack < 1290024079 0 :Peping!~Peping110@fw3.khfree.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1290024097 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1290024104 0 :Peping!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! maybe you remember me... < 1290024116 0 :Peping!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am the guy who revived braincopter < 1290024147 0 :Peping!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a new interpreter and a python script that carves brainfuck to images < 1290024185 0 :Peping!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the script is kinda lame and not well documented. It's been a while since i finished it, so I don't really know how it works < 1290024198 0 :Peping!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any idea where should I upload this all? < 1290024284 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm doesn't the esolang wiki allow this? < 1290024292 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1290024298 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Peping: To the esolangs wiki? < 1290024320 0 :Peping!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not registered. Does it matter? < 1290024326 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Peping: You can put code there, either on the Braincopter page, your user page, or a subpage or either. < 1290024338 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Peping: It doesn't, but if you want to put it on your user page you will of course have to register. < 1290024347 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which isn't hard) < 1290024370 0 :Peping!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok.. I guess I'll register. < 1290024375 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :youre not registered so you cant run as a candidate < 1290024384 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Peping: coppro is our friendly neighbourhood bot < 1290024422 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Number of nicks elliott has called a bot: At least 2 < 1290024424 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should fix that typo < 1290024458 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone once thought i was a bot, if elliott was here then, he probably told said person i am one < 1290024484 0 :Peping!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh crap... registration. It's night here and the registration page wants me to solve maths... O.o < 1290024498 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1290024500 0 :Peping!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :63-6 = ? :D Ihad to ask my sister < 1290024528 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you 4 or are you too cool to be able to do arithmetic because you're a math major < 1290024559 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even i can do 63-6! :P < 1290024564 0 :Peping!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... this school year I got A's from all the tests and exams yet < 1290024571 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1290024572 0 :Peping!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :math < 1290024580 0 :Peping!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :math tests and exams. < 1290024589 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so too cool, just not in uni yet < 1290024594 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1290024604 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :school might be uni i guess < 1290024611 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1290024617 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you never call uni school. < 1290024619 0 :Peping!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's not. I'm on High < 1290024627 0 :Peping!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :school < 1290024629 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought Sgeo_ just did today < 1290024640 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: just did what < 1290024645 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :called uni school < 1290024648 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1290024650 0 :Peping!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus I'm wasted. I spent the whole day cooking, doing good deeds and programming this useless piece of software < 1290024652 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an american abomination < 1290024660 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know < 1290024669 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unischool is for everyone. < 1290024672 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe sgeo can't speak english < 1290024673 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1290024675 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact we should just bomb the usa < 1290024676 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1290024677 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what say you Peping < 1290024684 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: maybe < 1290024704 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Peping: you should release it as a python module < 1290024727 0 :Peping!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: the interpreter? No. < 1290024739 0 :Peping!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have the balls to do that < 1290024750 0 :Peping!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today was a great day :D < 1290024756 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it was < 1290024768 0 :Peping!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a national holiday here < 1290024777 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here it was a normal day < 1290024805 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we had this seminar and we achieved nothing, and then i had this lecture and learned nothing, and then i slept all day < 1290024811 0 :Peping!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just hope that nobody will delete my account because they found my last name offensive... Yahoo didn't want to let me register. < 1290024827 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's your last name < 1290024832 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :today i was doing wfh < 1290024832 0 :Peping!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hornych :) < 1290024836 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :work from home < 1290024852 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning: i browsed blags and farums and watched bubble gum crisis < 1290024858 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1290024864 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the sleeping was me doing work at home < 1290024878 0 :Peping!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: did you feed the weed on farmville well? < 1290024883 0 :Peping!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1290024889 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1290024902 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't , < 1290024903 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe he didn't read your elaboration befor saying that < 1290024905 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*before < 1290024913 0 :Peping!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a joke < 1290024917 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just made the same joke as you < 1290024918 0 :Peping!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... a crappyone < 1290024918 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1290024921 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was forums < 1290024922 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not farms < 1290024928 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...oh < 1290024932 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i understand they're both the same edit distance. < 1290024937 0 :Peping!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'cause I'm tired < 1290024942 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can't really browse farms. < 1290024943 0 :Peping!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1290024943 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I just hope that nobody will delete my account because they found my last name offensive... Yahoo didn't want to let me register. Hornych :) < 1290024948 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, the secret cabal of eso rejects you < 1290024950 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you will be punished < 1290024955 0 :Peping!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1290024967 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like hornych < 1290024971 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a name < 1290024985 0 :Peping!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be a cool name for a doctor < 1290024998 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a polski last name < 1290025007 0 :Peping!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Joe Hornych, the vagina doctor :D < 1290025008 0 :Peping!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1290025012 0 :Peping!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's czech < 1290025020 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same difference < 1290025022 0 :Peping!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess poland's got it too < 1290025041 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: heh, you know the glibc documentation warning for abort() saying "Future Change Warning: Proposed Federal censorship regulations may prohibit us from giving you information about the possibility of calling this function. We would be required to say that this is not an acceptable way of terminating a program."? < 1290025048 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: above it in the HTML source is < 1290025095 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1290025136 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: is there an esolang where the space/stack/heap/whatever is an iteration of a fractal? < 1290025138 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, :D < 1290025152 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I wonder what the Christian glibc maintainers think of that. :) < 1290025161 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: i don't think so < 1290025163 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, *glibc documentation < 1290025182 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waits for Vorpal to respond with a "?" indicating he didn't get the original joke < 1290025189 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Am I cynical???? MAYBE) < 1290025207 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i'm not entirely sure what you mean by that < 1290025240 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you know, most languages have some sort of primary data structure < 1290025260 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1290025282 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :be it a graph (map reduce etc), the natural numbers (stacks, etc), trees (parallelizable languages) < 1290025284 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well most esolangs anyway, or we disagree on what a "primary data structure is" < 1290025286 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*" is < 1290025289 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, Lisp with its lists, Tcl with its strings, C with its "here, have 2^n-1 chars of address space. Have fun?" < 1290025297 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, what pikhq i guess < 1290025300 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/?"/"? < 1290025303 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*pikhq said < 1290025304 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically you're using some sort of construct from mathematics < 1290025316 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, the next step is fractals, of course < 1290025328 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example: real numbers < 1290025348 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm reals < 1290025381 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, of course I get it. And no clue what they would think < 1290025382 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl food < 1290025398 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yes, Lisp with its lists, Tcl with its strings, C with its "here, have 2^n-1 chars of address space. Have fun?" < 1290025401 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: 3-bit bytes < 1290025405 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: voila, non-power-of-two address space < 1290025406 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1290025408 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: 3-bit chars < 1290025424 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: isn't tcl a stack-based language though? < 1290025431 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: and C too. < 1290025448 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1290025456 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DEAR COMPUTER: < 1290025464 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DO NOT WANT JAR FILES OPENED AS ARCHIVES < 1290025470 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOVE, PHANTOM HOOVER < 1290025477 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: Tcl does also have an abomination-stack, yes. < 1290025478 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think they are very stack-based < 1290025490 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, well, why not < 1290025495 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, so you push and pop Cthulhu onto it? < 1290025497 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I can't call it a normal stack, because you can do a *lot* of nasty things to that call stack.) < 1290025503 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/they/c/, i don't actually know tcl < 1290025535 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: you can do a lot of nasty things to any stack as long as you can break out to C form your language :p < 1290025553 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: No, but you can do pretty much all the same bizarro stack manipulation stuff you could do in non-standard C. < 1290025576 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it frightens me) < 1290025665 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: can you do continuations? < 1290025681 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: "i don't think c are"? < 1290025710 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes yes < 1290025762 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be hard, but I'm pretty sure you could. < 1290025838 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: "hard"? you just need to copy the call stack and then replace it < 1290025853 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's a bit of a hack to actually modify the call stack. < 1290025890 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: can you pop from it without actually returning? < 1290025911 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uplevel < 1290025934 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or return -code < 1290025958 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: then just pop everything and push the stuff from the saved stack < 1290025960 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then continue < 1290026083 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1290026088 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1290026098 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1290026154 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's just a bit of a pain to save the actual local variables from said stack. Not impossible, just a pain. < 1290026166 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(involving info locals to save and upvar to restore) < 1290026199 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Get to it. < 1290026391 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Well come on! < 1290026783 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Julia_Mandelbrot_relationship_map_300_%2890,000_sets%29_.png < 1290026793 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION comes onto elliott < 1290026795 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Julia set plot showing julia sets for different values of c, the plot resembles the Mandelbrot set < 1290026808 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuu: Why... thank you? < 1290026811 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1290026837 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i figured if it was allright with pikhq, i wouldnt hold back :> < 1290026873 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION might be taking stuffs out of context... but only slighty < 1290026927 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so that wasnt fun... *goes elsewhere with his lame jokes* < 1290026937 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you'd said "comes on elliott", it would've been easier to understand < 1290026978 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1290027026 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also a felony < 1290027072 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Choose any monster as a starting pet" < 1290027074 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.m.g.yes. < 1290027092 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Remember kids, "fellatio" is only N letters away from "felony". < 1290027099 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cuddles Gregor as a bribe for not telling the cops :P < 1290027123 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what's the useful patches apart from that hpcolour one < 1290027354 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1290027530 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: that looks interesting, but I don't understand what's being displayed < 1290027576 0 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1290027670 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Julia set plot showing julia sets for different values of c, the plot resembles the Mandelbrot set < 1290027673 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i said. < 1290027681 0 :Peping!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehm.. excuse me. May i have a question? Where exactly do I upload stuff on esolang? it seems like the "Upload file" option on the wiki works only for multimedia, no zip files, no python scripts,... < 1290027684 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1290027685 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you zoom in, it's tiny tiles < 1290027690 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :each tile is a separate julia set < 1290027693 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, yeah. < 1290027696 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Peping: Just put the code in the page... < 1290027701 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source code just gets pasted. < 1290027704 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Peping: Surround it with
YOUR CODE
< 1290027708 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Peping: That'll show it as koed. < 1290027710 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Archives should be hosted elsewhere. < 1290027718 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: No need for an archive. < 1290027722 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least not here, it's just a script. < 1290027730 0 :Peping!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well... not really if I want to upload C source and executables. < 1290027735 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Peping: Don't upload executables. < 1290027745 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :executables are a bad idea < 1290027754 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody uses them (or trusts them). Also, nobody uses Windows here, so they're unlikely to be helpful at all. < 1290027755 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you, some sort of HACKER? < 1290027777 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Peping: Just put C code on e.g. User:Peping/Braincopter_interpreter. < 1290027780 0 :Peping!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... sorry, I'm one of the majority of the internet. I am using executables < 1290027781 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's one file. < 1290027797 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Peping: Right, well, nobody really uses Windows here. < 1290027799 0 :Peping!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no its not. < 1290027801 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So executables wouldn't be helpful. < 1290027809 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, we all have C compilers. < 1290027879 0 :Peping!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I want to upload a set of files somewhere, and I want it to last there forever... Where should I put them? < 1290027899 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Peping: Your own webhost. < 1290027907 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grex < 1290027909 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOLZ. < 1290027930 0 :Peping!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: untrustworthy, if that's a word < 1290027939 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Peping: Or you could submit it to the esoteric archive, but I don't think it's actively maintained at all. < 1290027949 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*being < 1290027969 0 :Peping!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's where I wanted to put it, but I don't know how to gain access to it. svn? ftp? < 1290027993 0 :Peping!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... svn < 1290027999 0 :Peping!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm reading the readme now < 1290028040 0 :Peping!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok.. no, the readme doesn't say anything about uploading stuff < 1290028093 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Peping: You have to submit it. < 1290028102 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Peping: To Graue, who is busy with other things these days. < 1290028113 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Peping: I recommend just condensing the code into one file. < 1290028128 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Peping: Failing that, you can put every file separately on http://sprunge.us/ and link to each. < 1290028161 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't listen to elliott, just make multiple pastes, and tell people what file names to store them under < 1290028171 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what dir structure to use < 1290028223 0 :Peping!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear... too difficult to do on windows. I'll just put it somewhere and make sure that it'll be availibel to download for next 5 years.. I hope somebody will take it over by that time. < 1290028233 0 :Peping!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean the elliott's < 1290028303 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's too difficult? < 1290028306 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copy-pasting? < 1290028315 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you, kindergarten? < 1290028321 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Peping: Or use a different pastebin. < 1290028325 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like pastebin.ca < 1290028337 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That should be easier on your limited OS. < 1290028421 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: no actually he's a straight-A student < 1290028450 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in high school < 1290028463 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: oh, i bet in that case he hasn't got time for childish things like copy-pasting. < 1290028478 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds likely < 1290028491 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe his sister could do it for him < 1290028516 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only if she has at least two B's < 1290028524 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or better yet, D's < 1290028529 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and doesn't wear a bra < 1290028557 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get it < 1290028579 0 :Peping!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D You dare to mock me :D I'm sorry for wanting advices from you and then solving the problem completely otherwise and far from what you advised... < 1290028590 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Peping: You sound like a moron. < 1290028596 0 :Peping!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know.. < 1290028600 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one's mocking you < 1290028601 0 :Peping!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i didn't want to < 1290028609 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I TOTALLY AM (or am i?) < 1290028643 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well elliott is, but i was just faking mocking you < 1290028649 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: what's the useful patches apart from that hpcolour one <-- menu colour < 1290028651 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely < 1290028655 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is a faker < 1290028683 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, allows you to colour code your inventory based on regexp < 1290028695 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or glob, but no one uses that variant) < 1290028722 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :helps a lot to avoid YASD due to mixing up cursed and blessed items :P < 1290028735 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and NAO has it < 1290028772 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i tend to read things before using them, but ok < 1290028778 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: regexp sounds like pain, is there a predefined set < 1290028823 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well there is a common one used by many on nao < 1290028831 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is fairly good < 1290028848 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask ais for the name < 1290028897 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just copy and paste that to your .nethackrc < 1290028931 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ais doesn't like to be bugged about nethack. < 1290028939 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1290028940 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's oerjan btw? < 1290028945 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I don't remember the name of it < 1290028947 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and I don < 1290028947 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: in some sort of crisis < 1290028951 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yuck < 1290028954 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't have it handy here < 1290028962 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, really? is that confirmed? < 1290028966 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: shell account used for email/irc is gone, last we've heard of him in an esolang-related space is today: < 1290028972 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may be anal-retentive, but apparently not anal-retentive enough to keep the email address on your home page up to date! What manner of perfidious chicanery is this perfidious chicanery? Please email me your working email address, if you have one. Thank you kindly. Sincerely, the guy who emailed Ørjan only to receive a 554 User Account has Expired response from nvg.ntnu.no, November somethingth, 2010 < 1290028973 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sorry, I honestly cannot manage to handle this right now. --Ørjan 04:45, 17 November 2010 (UTC) < 1290028976 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first message is from cpressey < 1290029016 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah good that he is alive then < 1290029030 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how did cpressey get hold of an up-to-date email? < 1290029039 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: He didn't? < 1290029049 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how did he get a reply then? < 1290029055 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S ON THE WIKI X_X < 1290029062 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1290029067 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: We knew that he is alive all this time, he's posted comments to a blog... < 1290029073 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh wtf. *kicks weird window redrawing lag < 1290029074 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* < 1290029084 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm < 1290029086 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1290029090 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: did you build night shelters even when starting off in peaceful? < 1290029111 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes. To get into the spirit of things < 1290029121 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway atm I'm admiring my green roof < 1290029122 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Psht, you're not nearly lazy enough. < 1290029133 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm glad he's still around somewhere, then I can just wait for his crisis to resolve itself and not worry about it < 1290029151 0 :Hiant!~Person@pool-71-255-192-189.bltmmd.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1290029253 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have created a bit of a puzzle, and wanted to know if anyone was interested in giving it a try. < 1290029267 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Psht, I built my own night shelter. < 1290029273 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, plan: become completely self-sufficient without going out the door :P < 1290029277 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the first night. < 1290029291 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, thus I plan an indoor friendly mob garden too < 1290029312 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you talking about minecraft? < 1290029313 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is easy to "lead" the grass spreading in < 1290029313 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: lawl < 1290029316 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant: yep < 1290029318 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant: like alwasy < 1290029320 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant, indeed < 1290029321 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*always < 1290029326 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, always the past week or so :P < 1290029341 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, I thought you were talking about real life < 1290029343 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I assume it will die down in here some time soon < 1290029346 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love abusing the fact that doors are two blocks tall. < 1290029350 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, suure :P < 1290029360 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant, abusing that? how? < 1290029370 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "become completely self-sufficient without going out the door" sounds exactly like something you'd plan in real life < 1290029377 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, hah :P < 1290029382 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, that would be awesome < 1290029389 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Phantom_Hoover built his own shelter, like they did before prefab housing < 1290029401 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: "become completely self-sufficient without going out the door" sounds exactly like something you'd plan in real life < 1290029401 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Simple. If you place one at, lets say, the bottom of the ocean, it creates a 2 block tall space of air. < 1290029402 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's easy < 1290029413 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :online shopping + dedicate basement to compacted waste storage < 1290029416 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, "indoor friendly mob" doesn't sound like real life though :P < 1290029421 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ recycle as much as possible < 1290029425 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(work from home) < 1290029432 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"mob garden" makes no sense at all < 1290029432 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant, easier to use reeds then. < 1290029445 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant, or why not ladders < 1290029454 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I have no idea if it's something that can or can't be done in reality < 1290029455 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reeds at least is "cheaper" < 1290029458 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: there was a reddit IAmA about someone who was living off his parents' money doing this, basically, of course to obsessive levels -- in six years had never left the house, not even to take out the trash < 1290029464 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, actually, I became a caveman. < 1290029469 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course he defended this as just being coincidental :) < 1290029480 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: True, but then again you can close doors, which I used to create an underwater shifting labyrinth. < 1290029491 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And very nearly ended up in the open. < 1290029495 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant, steel doors then? < 1290029505 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant, also hm. Couldn't you just swim up? < 1290029513 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shall try knocking out the wall and putting a door in. < 1290029565 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That is the best part....if you place enough sand on top of the doors, and then dig at it from the bottom, it slowly creates a nigh-inescapable current. (for mobs < 1290029574 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Holy shit! Underground lava lake. < 1290029577 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant, haha < 1290029590 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, uh. That is fairly common < 1290029603 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Not this kind... < 1290029605 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you are near the bottom < 1290029608 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, screenshot < 1290029618 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it is more the context that is unusual < 1290029619 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of this whole cave < 1290029621 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I am thinking of a maze of creepers, with the center containing the only entrance to my base. < 1290029643 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant, creepers would probably be more painful for you than anyone trying to enter < 1290029670 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant, unless you use obsidian. As I do for the lower parts of the walls of this fort I'm working on < 1290029677 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, screenshot then < 1290029694 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It would keep me on my toes. Plus, a well made redstone wire system would allow me to control the shape of the entire thing. < 1290029718 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Enter the right combination, and a simple path opens up. Fail, and be doomed! < 1290029719 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant, true. < 1290029740 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant, but hm what would prevent someone from just plopping down in the middle? < 1290029748 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming mp < 1290029755 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not mp then less of an issue < 1290029795 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Not mp, but if it was, I would rig the entire system to a redstone clock, causing it to shift every few min. < 1290029810 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so now I have my own little 3x3x2 cave in a cliff face with a door to the outside. < 1290029820 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm trying to build my way up to the surface but it's not happening! :P < 1290029849 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make a shaft downwards, then a tower above. < 1290029889 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm? < 1290029896 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what is not happening? < 1290029905 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also presumably you could go up the way you went down < 1290029913 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I lost my way and fell a lot. < 1290029950 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, walk carefully and mark your path < 1290029968 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Shut up. :P < 1290029970 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also: dig a diagonal tunnel up. (45°) And I hope you carry enough wood to make more pickaxes if need be. < 1290029976 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I just built a workbench underneath my feet so I can get a new pickaxe. < 1290029989 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you are short on wood you want to use iron. Since that will last longer < 1290029996 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even diamond if you found any < 1290030021 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAYLIGHT! < 1290030022 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and conserve wood. Use coal for furnace if you need to smelt iron < 1290030024 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1290030031 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I have almost nothing; I just started this game. < 1290030031 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so where is the screenshot of that lava light < 1290030034 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do have 28 coal though. < 1290030038 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The lava itself was boring. < 1290030050 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But there were lavafalls and waterfalls literally all over the place, near the surface. < 1290030066 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, there was no still lava lake near the surface I bet < 1290030074 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, no. < 1290030080 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha! I emerged near the place I first entered that cave system. < 1290030080 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and still lava lake = way better. Add water and get obsidian < 1290030086 0 :Peping!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1290030100 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I wish that portals worked horizontal... < 1290030124 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant, oh? why? < 1290030128 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: There was water nearby too. Guess I missed an opportunity. < 1290030149 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you need a diamond pickaxe to mine obsidian < 1290030168 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and you would have needed a bucket presumably (3 iron) < 1290030173 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Because then mining obsidian would create 2 gates, the one formed from mining, and the one made by the mined obsidian. < 1290030185 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant, heh < 1290030221 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It can be such a pain waiting for the obsidian to break. < 1290030279 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1290030295 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant, I should know. Let me find url to screenshots of the fort I'm working on < 1290030310 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant: http://sporksirc.net/~anmaster/minecraft/screenshots/fort/ < 1290030313 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You're welcome. < 1290030314 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks :P < 1290030341 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of this and Vorpal still plays on Peaceful. < 1290030348 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nice yellow text. "Superfrgilist[... you know the rest and I'm lazy]" < 1290030355 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :frag* < 1290030395 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I plan to switch once the fort exterior is complete :P < 1290030401 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and remember, this is my first game < 1290030410 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That's still your first game?! < 1290030414 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After a week or two? < 1290030422 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes I build on the same world of course < 1290030426 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why shouldn't I? < 1290030428 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I have another game, not on peaceful. < 1290030432 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Very nice. I dont really have any screenshots of my fort, but if you want, imagine sealab. (Its my inspiration for this one) < 1290030433 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is all new map gen < 1290030434 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should go see him < 1290030435 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You haven't died once? :P < 1290030439 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan that is < 1290030439 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: who < 1290030442 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1290030443 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was scrolled up again < 1290030444 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I died from falling in lava twice :P < 1290030450 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i think he might not welcome that :P < 1290030465 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he certainly would, i'm really nice < 1290030466 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant, sealab means nothing to me < 1290030495 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, its an old show. Lots of underwater glass domes and boxy labs. < 1290030499 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1290030502 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after forcing him to let me in his apartment, i'd be really nice < 1290030515 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant, I tested around this fort with TNT to make sure it is creaper safe. < 1290030516 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1290030525 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: doesn't he live with his parents < 1290030527 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the doors are a bit of a problem < 1290030532 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: lol no < 1290030533 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have to figure out something < 1290030562 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yes he does iirc < 1290030566 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: he's mentioned such < 1290030566 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My suggestion would be a chute of obsidian with a ladder, Vorpal < 1290030583 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...no < 1290030588 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant, hm can't creepers climb iirc? < 1290030595 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to the minecraft wiki < 1290030615 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't seen one doing that yet though < 1290030625 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i swear he's said so. < 1290030627 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, really? I wouldnt know, I normally build my bases underwater, where mobs dont matter. < 1290030679 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant, I have a deep minecraft transit system. iirc the map viewer placed it at depth 40 or such (0 = bedrock) < 1290030685 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only concrete thing i remember is is that he does not see his father all the time, therefore they don't live in the same place < 1290030697 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isisisis < 1290030698 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i don't recall him saying that < 1290030701 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gotten from another channel, may be old-old: http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_lc1ckr9rF21qbmqmlo1_1280.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=0RYTHV9YYQ4W5Q3HQMG2&Expires=1290094944&Signature=vCmBniQ84G2qMF0YqjTiDEaZubw%3D < 1290030710 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of our conversations are in pm < 1290030717 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It's reddit-front-page-old. < 1290030720 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: SNEAKY < 1290030729 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1290030759 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I have a solution for your door problem: Ladder, terminating in steel door. Make it controlled by a button. < 1290030763 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i would certainly like to see proof one way or the other < 1290030774 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should put up a message on esolang < 1290030790 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant, hm a steel door can still be exploded by a creeper < 1290030808 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant, if it is standing next to it < 1290030863 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant, anyway my fort will have defences when it is done. An inner moat of lava. (There is a nether portal inside the fort that end up quite close to a huge lava cavern. Should be quite easy to get lots of lava) < 1290030872 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then netherstone/cactus barrier outside < 1290030894 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the netherstone being on fire < 1290030897 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Thats the trick. Make it so that _it_cant_stand_next_ to it. Make the chute 1x6 tall. Then have the ladder just end, terminating at the base of the door. < 1290030914 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 6 tall, that is. < 1290030917 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1290030933 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no where to stand. < 1290030950 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant, on the top of the ladder? or would the ladder only be inside the chute? < 1290030975 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and where would the door be? at the top or the bottom? < 1290031013 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The ladder would only be inside the chute. The door would be the top. From the bottom, the blocks would be: ladder, ladder, ladder, ladder, Steel Door, Steel Door. < 1290031014 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1290031043 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant, oh and my fort will have towers in the corners on the upper level. brick towers. I found quite a lot of clay. I'm in the process of smelting it now < 1290031066 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant, ah but couldn't it stand on the very top of the ladder? I know I managed that < 1290031099 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: At the top? Like with no clear space to go? Then yes, I suppose so. < 1290031146 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant, hm < 1290031175 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant, or would the door be on a different side of the shaft than the ladder? < 1290031177 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would work < 1290031181 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1290031188 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit tricky to get in and out perhaps < 1290031198 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and to open as well < 1290031236 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure a button, but good luck not falling down yourself < 1290031250 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, its hard to tell. But it seems like a precaution against a rare danger, so the door on the same side as the ladder would work fine, I suppose. < 1290031279 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1290031302 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I have been working on a esolang, and realized it has fantastic puzzle potential. I was wondering of anyone would like to give it a try. < 1290031306 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant, and I presume it would need to be iron. which would be tricky to open while on the ladder < 1290031315 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant, oh? details? < 1290031318 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, Iron. < 1290031381 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant, about this esolang then: details? < 1290031397 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Here are the rules; There are exactly 9 built-in rules. The only valid instructions are hexadecimal digits. You give me an input string, and I will give you the output (Its deterministic). < 1290031421 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant, f00 < 1290031435 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The goal is to try to derive as many rules as possible. And calculating. < 1290031446 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant, well I gave you one :P < 1290031465 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant: f00fc7c8 < 1290031475 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant: we've talked about doing this kind of challenges < 1290031483 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also have one < 1290031499 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Really? I have heard no such thing... < 1290031506 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the problem: given a blackbox interpreter, deduce the language < 1290031524 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we've talked about this twice, quickly < 1290031534 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: F|0|0|F|C|7|C|8 < 1290031549 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...no. < 1290031552 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal said f00. < 1290031554 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said f00fc7c8. < 1290031563 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you ACTUALLY ENCODED a reference to f00f in the language, which I find unlikely :P < 1290031566 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, maybe your string was output of mine < 1290031578 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F00f < 1290031582 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find that unlikely. < 1290031582 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I see, and the conclusion of that discussion was? Sorry, I was confused. I will pair input/output from now on. < 1290031583 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes I know < 1290031595 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant: What is "F|0|0|F|C|7|C|8" the output of? < 1290031612 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant, conclusions so far: the language has non-deterministic cross-talk ;P < 1290031627 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: f00fc7c8 < 1290031638 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant: What is the output of "f0", which Vorpal said? < 1290031639 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: => F|0|0|F|C|7|C|8 < 1290031650 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I said f00 < 1290031652 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not f0 < 1290031654 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, right. < 1290031662 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant: And what is the output of "f00"? < 1290031671 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :F0=>F00 < 1290031676 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant: And what is the output of "f00"? < 1290031683 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1290031693 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :F00=>F00 < 1290031696 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1290031699 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant, A < 1290031715 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant: 0 < 1290031716 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant: 1 < 1290031717 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant: 2 < 1290031718 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant: 3 < 1290031719 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant: ... < 1290031720 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant: F < 1290031722 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A=>No output. Nonterminating. < 1290031725 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant: I trust you to interpolate the values. < 1290031740 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: all we need to do is come up with a program that halts iff the Goldbach conjecture is true < 1290031744 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: and we have him CORNERED < 1290031771 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not riemann? < 1290031778 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Goldbach is easier. < 1290031781 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0=>0, 1=>Nonterminating., 2=>0 < 1290031784 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. < 1290031786 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe not. < 1290031788 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Collatz is easiest. < 1290031797 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant: 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, A, B, C, D, E, F plz :P < 1290031806 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm < 1290031809 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3=> Nonterminating < 1290031812 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1290031815 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1290031827 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: YOU WEREN'T AWAY < 1290031828 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1290031862 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1290031895 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4=>Nonterminating, 5=>Nonterminating, 6=>(Nothing), 7=>7, 8=>Nonterminating < 1290031917 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1290031973 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant, really hard. Can you tell us some leads? Such as if it has a stack or a heap or a tape or a queue or whatever? < 1290031985 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9=>Nonterminating, A..E => Nonterminating. F=> F < 1290032001 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better lead < 1290032008 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make a few example programs < 1290032012 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Simple. There is only a datastring. And that datastring is the execution string itself. < 1290032018 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1290032026 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant, so self-modifying? Is it TC < 1290032033 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or don't you know that yet < 1290032046 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Also, no i/o. And no idea about TC. < 1290032059 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A proof would be...interesting. < 1290032072 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. Then that might be trickier < 1290032087 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it had been trivially TC then it might have been similar to something else < 1290032128 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant, so what about 330 < 1290032135 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have an example (i/o): 1|4|8|9|4|2|9|7|8|9|F / 1|0|8|9|0|2|9|3|8|9|F|8|9|2|9|9 < 1290032155 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :330 => Nonterminating. < 1290032176 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are those |-characters part of the input/output? < 1290032197 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: They delineate commands, nothing else. < 1290032218 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :show execution trace < 1290032231 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant, 033 ? < 1290032232 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. 330 -> 303 -> 330 -> ... < 1290032235 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plz < 1290032237 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kthx < 1290032249 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Okay, but remember it does not terminate... < 1290032264 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :precisely < 1290032278 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell us the trace every time < 1290032289 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it's to o hard < 1290032292 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by far < 1290032297 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*too < 1290032303 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1290032306 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :330? < 1290032309 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant, well show us the pattern it repeats in? < 1290032312 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant, or such < 1290032313 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :330 < 1290032315 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3|3|0 < 1290032317 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3|3|0|0 < 1290032319 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3|3|0|0|3 < 1290032320 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1290032320 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3|3|0|0|3|0 < 1290032322 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3|3|0|0|3|0|3 < 1290032324 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3|3|0|0|3|0|3|0 < 1290032324 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1290032329 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant, and so on? < 1290032333 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see that helps :) < 1290032336 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot < 1290032336 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1290032344 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the pattern matures, but yes. < 1290032353 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now we know that at least this configuration appends to the end < 1290032363 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than, say, inserting < 1290032373 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant, what about 033? < 1290032420 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :033 < 1290032421 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0|3|3 < 1290032423 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0|3|3|3 < 1290032424 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0|3|3|3|0 < 1290032426 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0|3|3|3|0|3 < 1290032427 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0|3|3|3|0|3|3 < 1290032429 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0|3|3|3|0|3|3|3 < 1290032431 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0|3|3|3|0|3|3|3|0 < 1290032432 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0|3|3|3|0|3|3|3|0|3 < 1290032442 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ETC... < 1290032445 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1290032448 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1290032455 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then 0 is *not* terminate program now < 1290032473 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant, what about 0 ? < 1290032489 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, is it still 0=>0 or does it depend on time < 1290032490 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you said it terminated so < 1290032496 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1290032497 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1290032499 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1290032506 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant, so does that terminate? < 1290032508 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1290032515 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what termination condition is < 1290032539 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes. In 0 steps. < 1290032550 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x = x' < 1290032553 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably < 1290032558 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that is quite likely < 1290032566 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant, do you know of anything that terminates but takes more than one step to do so? < 1290032580 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Quite a few, actually. < 1290032595 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1290032632 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant, what about the empty program? < 1290032672 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1|4|8|9|4|2|9|7|8|9|F < 1290032673 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1|4|8|9|4|2|9|7|8|9|F < 1290032675 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1|0|8|9|4|2|9|7|8|9|F < 1290032676 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1|0|8|9|4|2|9|7|8|9|F|8 < 1290032678 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1|0|8|9|4|2|9|7|8|9|F|8|9 < 1290032680 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1|0|8|9|0|2|9|7|8|9|F|8|9 < 1290032681 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1|0|8|9|0|2|9|7|8|9|F|8|9|2 < 1290032683 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1|0|8|9|0|2|9|7|8|9|F|8|9|2 < 1290032685 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1|0|8|9|0|2|9|3|8|9|F|8|9|2 < 1290032687 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1|0|8|9|0|2|9|3|8|9|F|8|9|2|9 < 1290032687 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1|0|8|9|0|2|9|3|8|9|F|8|9|2|9|9 < 1290032689 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1|0|8|9|0|2|9|3|8|9|F|8|9|2|9|9 < 1290032690 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1|0|8|9|0|2|9|3|8|9|F|8|9|2|9|9 < 1290032692 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: What empty program, 0? < 1290032730 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant, the one of length 0 < 1290032744 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that invalid? < 1290032768 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not invalid, but there is no execution, so it instantly terminates. < 1290032773 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1290032796 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1290032809 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant, okay we know the termination condition now. That the program doesn't change any more < 1290032818 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant, are we right that is one of the rules? < 1290032827 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he basically just said it < 1290032842 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION attempted to show his Perl professor some Haskell < 1290032842 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :his example terminates, but actually it spams the same thing forever < 1290032862 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1290032864 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No. But I will give you the only built-in failsafe: A program of length 0 terminates. (This is not a rule of the language) < 1290032874 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1290032898 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not that it would help anyway < 1290032911 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1290032921 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant, tricky :D < 1290032924 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its a rule of the interpreter, so that execution will end (besides the one other way to end it). < 1290032929 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1290032952 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or two, depending on how you look at it (thats a hint) < 1290032971 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant, hm 0330 and 00330 < 1290032974 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so Hiant: are you sure the datastring is all the data there is, and there's nothing like an instruction pointer? < 1290032978 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1290032981 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have an idea...) < 1290033002 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(trying to detect if it is a cellular automaton) < 1290033008 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not < 1290033018 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sry < 1290033035 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, how would you know? < 1290033054 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know because one rule is executed at a time, and it either changes middle, or appends shit < 1290033065 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, hm < 1290033066 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back. oklopol: There is an order of execution, if thats what you mean. Other then that, there is no other way to store information. < 1290033069 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point < 1290033174 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to call it such, there is an 'instruction pointer', but there is only one command that affects it in any way. And it always, every turn, moves only 1 instruction. No jumps, ect. < 1290033210 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make that 2 commands -Hiant remembers that its important to display the puzzle correctly- < 1290033224 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1290033248 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant, fe < 1290033254 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(trace of that) < 1290033272 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FE < 1290033273 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FE < 1290033275 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FE < 1290033287 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :efefefefefefefe < 1290033288 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1290033292 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, sssh < 1290033296 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is only 1 step, by the way. < 1290033297 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokokokoko < 1290033297 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant: please show instruction pointer in traces < 1290033313 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That might make it too easy... < 1290033328 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we're too lazy to do a hard puzzle < 1290033336 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and too stupid too, probably < 1290033344 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant: the proposal is near-impossible already :) < 1290033345 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*puzzle < 1290033361 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that alright with everyone? I will need some time to hand write it for longer ones, but sure. < 1290033375 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant: Anyway, you said that it always moves one :) < 1290033381 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant: write a program to do it :P < 1290033393 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FE < 1290033394 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEGIN < 1290033396 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FE < 1290033398 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1290033399 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :END < 1290033401 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FE < 1290033405 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1290033410 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alas I have to leave now < 1290033415 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :early morning tomorrow < 1290033420 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night → < 1290033423 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant: eh? < 1290033425 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand < 1290033430 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i understand < 1290033442 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant: I would just put ^ before whatever the IP is on < 1290033442 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. < 1290033443 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^FE < 1290033466 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay then. < 1290033486 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant: does this thing really have 9 rules? :P < 1290033493 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. I promise. < 1290033511 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's more than brainfuck! :P < 1290033521 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, arguably < 1290033544 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want, I could give you some hints. < 1290033553 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant: are there any rules like "instructions 3, 7 and F do nothing" < 1290033556 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that are actually three in disguise < 1290033572 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. All instructions do 'something' < 1290033598 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant: no i mean < 1290033603 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any rules about what N instructions do for N>1 < 1290033613 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus being N rules in 1 < 1290033626 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: phrase that better :P < 1290033637 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm. Yes. The instructions exist as pairs. < 1290033645 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1290033647 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 rules for 16 opcodes seems low < 1290033656 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am capable of interpreting that output < 1290033676 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: that's why i asked that < 1290033692 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1290033760 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously. < 1290033834 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. Two more hints. < 1290033897 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant: this would be better if you had a bot that could run it, or something < 1290034011 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I am not an expert on such things. Hint Two: Each opcode acts on another opcode, the instruction pointer, or ends the program. < 1290034079 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant: An expert on... programming? < 1290034146 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would consider myself a ... creative amateur at programming. < 1290034164 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant: Are you able to code an interpreter for the language? < 1290034177 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already have. < 1290034184 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes. < 1290034206 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant: are you able to use the "print" statement? < 1290034219 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant: 'cuz IRC is just... print USER foo foo foo foo < 1290034221 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NICK foobarbaz < 1290034223 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JOIN #esoteric < 1290034227 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah blah blah < 1290034253 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1290034303 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1290034390 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: eh, I am rather content with the way it is right now. I was just hoping to get people thinking, not kill them with curiosity. Honesty, I might just put the entire thing on esolang. < 1290034411 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant: My curiosity is killing me ;__; < 1290034413 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For I am a cat. < 1290034473 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and Hint Three: The internal representation of each command is a nibble. < 1290034505 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g231049186.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1290034549 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott:^ < 1290034584 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant: Hmm.# < 1290034586 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*no # < 1290034820 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1290034884 0 :cal153!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1290035203 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1290035217 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I set up a Minecraft server locally, dear god what have I done. < 1290035228 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401080539] < 1290035747 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Is it worth doing so? < 1290035762 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Doing what? < 1290035780 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minecraft server on localhost < 1290035791 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Oh, absolutely pointless if you're the only user. < 1290035803 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Well. You can give yourself obsidian if you want. < 1290035809 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's quite handy. < 1290035963 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: (So you've got the Minecraft bug too?) < 1290036127 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't played it. < 1290036230 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You should! There is no way back... < 1290036346 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Would you like a copy of inst(1)? :P < 1290036371 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1290036384 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmf < 1290036390 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW CAN YOU RESIST < 1290036862 0 :Hiant!~Person@pool-71-255-192-189.bltmmd.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1290036923 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I have returned. Would any of you (elliot, Vorpal, etc) like to continue? < 1290037052 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the esolang puzzle? < 1290037099 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*elliott < 1290037103 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant: Vorpal's embedded himself. < 1290037172 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I haven't the faintest idea what that means. < 1290037207 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have < 1290037214 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back (had to print something) < 1290037218 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm so much smarter than other people today < 1290037222 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant: put himself into bed < 1290037226 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant, presumably it means I went to sleep. < 1290037226 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: night → < 1290037235 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes I forgot to print something I needed tomorrow < 1290037242 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, saw highlights when I was doing it < 1290037263 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: I set up a Minecraft server locally, dear god what have I done. < 1290037265 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... < 1290037270 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *think* < 1290037275 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and correct me if I'm wrong < 1290037276 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that < 1290037283 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have setup a local minecraft server! < 1290037289 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, :P < 1290037292 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I GAVE MYSELF PORTALS < 1290037294 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just portal innards < 1290037295 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and built them < 1290037306 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it did very little < 1290037311 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, err? < 1290037317 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: everything has an object ID < 1290037320 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1290037320 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1290037323 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: including the inside of portals to nether < 1290037327 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: inexplicably, portals have an inventory icon! < 1290037338 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are actual blocks, afterall. < 1290037342 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I believe everything has < 1290037363 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway iirc portals are not yet working in mp < 1290037370 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, try with an inventory editor locally < 1290037379 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: too lazy :P < 1290037384 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they cant exist, or function, for long without an obsidian frame. < 1290037396 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1290037504 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah done printing. Night now → < 1290037525 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways, I have decided to spill the beans about that esolang. Anyone still interested? < 1290037549 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant: Sure. < 1290037632 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rules are as follows: < 1290037633 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are sixteen commands: < 1290037635 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0/0000---Append the next command to the end of the program. < 1290037636 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/0001---Invert the second bit of the next command. < 1290037638 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/0010---Invert the third bit of the next command. < 1290037639 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3/0011---Append previous command to the end of the program. < 1290037641 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4/0100---Invert the last bit of the previous command. < 1290037643 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5/0101---Reverse execution flow. < 1290037645 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6/0110---Delete the previous command. < 1290037646 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7/0111---End Program < 1290037648 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Commands starting of the form 1--- can not be altered. < 1290037649 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Commands A..F are the 1--- form of 1..7 < 1290037743 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant: I would not have guessed the bitwise stuff :P < 1290037757 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant: Looks interesting. Have you seen Bitwise Cyclic Tag? < 1290037762 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hiant: It is similar, but even more minimal. < 1290037780 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I had mentioned the nibble rule. And yes, I drew inspiration from BCT. < 1290037805 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes, you did, but the bitwise stuff :P < 1290037973 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1290038036 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds